I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
There is very little chance that fratboy coward will appear before a group that is bound to be hostile toward him. That's why anyone with an anti-Chimp Tshirt is hauled off in restraints, for fear that the fratboy coward might explode and make the nightly news in a way Karl Rove can't possibly paper over, and that the SCLM can't possibly ignore.
maybe his wife condi can ease the racial tensions. i understand she used to be black.
Yeah, but chimpy isn't the preznit of all the people.
He's only preznit for richie rich types, fundies and stoopid freepers.
He doesn't give a shit about anyone else.
Yo, aWol: "Sticks and Stones" and
all that. Be a man! You could send
Laura out first and then cling to
her skirts.
See, this what just what Bill Cosby was talking about. Those colored kids ain't got no respect for the preznit. Callin' him names and all. Hmph. What kind of name is Kwiesi, anyway? They need to start naming their kids nice American names like Brittaineigh and Mackienzey and Tyler-Rose. Why do they hate America???
W to NAACP:
"Go Cheney yourselves."
Oh man, this is awesome.
Bush is playing this with absolutely no delicacy at all.
Good bye African American vote. Not even Will Smith at the Convention will repair this one.
He said his relationship with its leadership was "basically nonexistent" and he referred to being called "names" by organization members.
Well, if that's going to be the criteria, then there's a whole lot of people he can quit talking to...
Is there any better illustration of the Bush attitude toward minority concerns? Bush has just "Cheneyed" the nation's oldest civil rights organization. I hope that the NAACP responds in kind.
he's playing the southern card ...next he'll be displaying the confederate flag on his car.
I thought Julien Bond was president of the NAACP?!? What's up?
Bush to the black vote: "Drop dead."
"'I would ask the president to reconsider his unnecessarily harsh stance and to show America that he's bigger than that,' he said."
I'm afraid you'll be disappointed. Bush is much smaller than you can imagine.
It's pretty darn scary when a president starts to act like this. I lived through Nixon and, believe me, this guy is starting to behave the way Nixon did in the final days.
Calls the Irish embassy to complain, for Goddess sakes, when an Irish reporter asks him a tough question or two! Has protestors hauled away from his speeches. Storms off the stage when he's asked a question about his largest campaign contributor doing the perp walk. Not only refuses to speak to one of the nation's most important African American groups, but then can't leave well-enough alone and has to announce that the "scheduling conflict" was a lie and that the real reason he won't address them is because they've had the unmitigated gall to dare to criticize him in the past.
And, amateur shrink that I think I am, when I read his speeches, such as the one below, his insertion of the word "see" every couple of sentences, as in "See, he had the intent and the capability..." I really start to worry. People who talk like that, in my experience, are usually lying and/or getting desparate.
It's a race. It's a race between chronological time and this man's alcohol-ridden, increasingly out-of-touch id. I hope we win. Come on November 2nd.
I thought Julien Bond was president of the NAACP?!?
According to the article, Julian Bond is the Chairman of the NAACP.
You'd think Bush would want the photo-op with all those brown people for his "compassionate" page on the BC04 website.
Not even Will Smith at the Convention will repair this one.
Sadly, it probably would. Celebrity trumps reality every time.
Look, all Bush is saying is that the folks of the NAACP are uppity. What's their problem?
and, sadly, there will still be african-americans that vote for bush. one wonders just what they're thinking.
If he visits with the NAACP he'll have to eliminate their funding.
What an incredibly crappy politician this creature is - I'm sorry, but where does he think he lives? What country? What year?
Just got an interesting message from someone identifying himself as Captain Somebody, wanting to follow up on my application to join the Selective Service Board. Captain? Since when do Captains get involved in the Selective Service Boards?
In response, he should make two speeches at Bob Jones University.
For balance.
what the hell are you people gonna do if bush wins?enter a permanent state of apoplexy?
Let's flip those last two quotes:
Bush, campaigning in Pennsylvania on Friday, said he would not attend this year's NAACP event. He said his relationship with its leadership was "basically nonexistent" and he referred to being called "names" by organization members.
[...]
"I would ask the president to reconsider his unnecessarily harsh stance and to show America that he's bigger than that," he said.
So much for that "uniter, not a divider" stuff--Bush is pissing away a perfect opportunity to mend fences with an organization he has had some rough dealings with in the past. He's being a baby about this, instead of the statesman his hagiographers and hangers-on want him to be.
I think Bush will need an October Surprise to remain president. Whether that actually will require an election is another matter, and a scary one at that.
John, we'll hang our heads in shame as the rest of the world writes us off as total and complete idiots.
They hate Bush now, if he gets elected, they'll hate us.
some obvious points:
this is a huge F You to blacks, for the benefit of his bubba votes
moron equates the NAACP with Big Dog lovers
he's busy courting the hispanic vote with the amnesty-for-illegals program and figures he doesn't need the black population's support -- after all, he's got colin and rice for symbols
if ever there was a symbol for the right-wing's perception that they have the black population in a box, this is it. they don't even bother trying anymore.
come on, november. it can't get here soon enough.
this admin has ignored and put off the CBC its whole term..It appears that it also hasn't visited the NAACP annual events the last 4.
I wonder why they are taking the African-American vote for granted...
Oh, I'll tell you. They know the issue of values will keep loyal voters. Many African -American voters have very strong ideologies where "family values" are concerned.
Where am I going...this week's proposed amendment is their attempt to introduce an issue that will drive a wedge between Democrats with progressive values and conservative values.
They are all about "divide and conquer"
But he's a uniter...not a divider.
Stir man stir-keep this pot a bubblin'. They should ask once a month and try Cheney too.
You know those liberals, they're so "shrill." They call people names. They raise money at fundraisers where comedians tell off-color jokes about the administration. Why can't liberals be polite and less shrill, the way the president was when he unveiled the Clintons' portraits?
Maybe if we just don't speak to them for a while, they'll get the message and stop being so shrill.
GWPDA -- how does one sign up for such a critter? Can you send me in a direction?
he's busy courting the hispanic vote
Are hispanics naive enough to think that Bush secretly could care less about them and would do the same thing in a second if it helped him politically?
He only cares about a very small percentage of Americans: the top 1%. He's made that clear time and time again.
"maybe his wife condi can ease the racial tensions. i understand she used to be black"
Gol dang it, don't say stuff like that when I'm drinking soda pop whilst reading comments.
And don't forget that Shrub walked away from the press in a snit this week cuz they asked him nasty bad questions. The nerve of that there press!
Why don't African-Americans and the press understand that having an imperial presidency means never having to say you're sorry?
I wonder if he's this irritable in private talks when he's criticized by foreign leaders or doesn't get his own way?
I suspect George has been having an Oreo cookie fetish ever since he wrapped himself up in Condi that first night.
The NAACP might be an excellent place to scope out the chicks and find the other side of that cookie fetish?
MYOB'
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"what the hell are you people gonna do if bush wins?enter a permanent state of apoplexy"
You know, I ask myself essentially the same question every day: What can we do if Bush steals this next election? Move to Canada? Go underground and begin an actual, physical resistance? Drink ourselves into early graves?
The left needs a Plan B, just in case Bush does steal the next election, but for the life of me, I can't think of one.
And, amateur shrink that I think I am, when I read his speeches, such as the one below, his insertion of the word "see" every couple of sentences, as in "See, he had the intent and the capability..." I really start to worry. People who talk like that, in my experience, are usually lying and/or getting desparate.
glad to see i'm not the only one given the creeps by that "see". it's the kind of thing those kids in the 'little rascals' would say when they wanted to sound like tough guys. even worse is his penchant for telling others what they "have to understand".
please, wake me on jan. 21...
what a shock: bush wastes an opporunity to mend erlations because of his pride.
MMLT - go thru the www.sss.gov website - they have instructions. I've discovered that of all things, reserve military are used to interview potential members - which strikes me as deeply bizarre, not to mention backwards.
Do you suppose shrub is just so completely confused that he mistook his invitation as coming from the Black Irish, at whom he was already angry?
Bush is fucked and I bet $80 a long time ago that the Dems would win 2004.
If he is behaving like this, I truly fear the October surprise. Then again, I think.... The Corporates that run the system.... will kick him out.
Now, next target, the Corporates.
"When you are president, you are elected to be president of all the people," Mfume said....
Memo to Mfume: He wasn't elected.
THE IRA INTERVIEWED BUSH.
Bomb Dublin!
Hecate - all of those things. However, I think you'd really like life in Vancouver or Victoria - and this time, unlike the second election of Dick Nixon, I have my Canadian passport and my eye on a lovely bit of land outside Frank, Alta. Internal exile is not going to be much fun, I'm afraid.
Are hispanics naive enough to think that Bush secretly could care less about them and would do the same thing in a second if it helped him politically?
Screwed that up.
Are they naive enough to think he cares about them, when in reality, he could care less and would do the same thing in a second if it helped them politically?
Come on, I get off with black is beautiful on a regular basis. I don't need to go to the NAACP convention.
- GWB
@GWPDA
LOL
Carole "Coleman" did that interview.
Speaking as someone who is probably farther out on the political fringe than 99% of the posters here, the black-baiting disturbs me as much as the gay-baiting that used to crop up around here did. Stuff about "Oreos" and how Condi "used to be black" makes me want to ask, rhetorically, "OK, what makes a person black then, wise one?"
Seriously, does a person's genetic code have any bearing on their politics and alliances? I'm not talking about how people in a certain genetic or ethnic group may be treated by other political groups. I'm challenging the "progressives" here to tell me why Condi's choice of political ideology and cronies suddenly makes her, somehow, unworthy of being called black.
Come on folks. Rise above this childish, borderline-racist stereotypical crap. Stick to challenging someone's political views, not the colour of their skin.
Mark Bialkowski
You're a troll. We're attacking Bush. Stop the Bull.
weblackey - I doubt it. Though I agree that they're counting on the gay marriage amendment to win over black religious conservatives, I sincerely doubt it's going to help them very much considering that just last week, it was revealed that Bush's little bro has once again attempted to keep blacks from voting in Florida.
Then this week, he tells the NAACP to go Cheney themselves.
The only way he and Rove can believe that the FMA sop to bigotry will counteract those two slaps in the face is if they believe that black voters are stupid. Which they clearly DO believe. And which, just as clearly, is not true.
Cloned Poster:
Scroll back up to my other post in the thread and call me that again. Then, pull your head out of the sand.
Hey, race is a genetically meaningless concept--that's been proven. It is a cultural construct and there is certainly a rich vein to be mined looking into how people like Clarence Thomas and Condi exploit their African-American status while sucking up to the white fascists.
And, their behavior is no more or less execrable than George Bush's exploitation of his white, wealthy connections to set him up in multiple businesses and then bail him out of every failure over his entire life.
re: "It's a race. It's a race between chronological time and this man's alcohol-ridden, increasingly out-of-touch id."
I agree. Something in the guy's behavior makes me also wonder if the government's scientists are on the verge of perfecting time travel. Cause if they do, I'm sure Bush will drop the big Cheney on all of us.
Hey, you gotta think of the photo op downside. The Bushtapo only allow pro-bushies to hear his majestoon in public. If they weed out any black attendees who might be critical of the Preznit then who's gonna be left in the hall? May as well hold the speech in an elevator and howz that look?
@Mark Bialkowski
I did scroll back.
I read your post, and you introduced the "black baiting" idea to this thread.
Mean GWB gives the two fingers to the Black Population of America.
Hey, race is a genetically meaningless concept--that's been proven.
OK, interesting point, and I'd like to read up on this.
It is a cultural construct and there is certainly a rich vein to be mined looking into how people like Clarence Thomas and Condi exploit their African-American status while sucking up to the white fascists.
*sigh*... and yet, race crops up again.
There are legitimate concerns that include race as a factor--unequal treatment by law enforcement based on skin colour or heritage, historical inequalities resulting in greater economic and political challenges for individuals who would be considered minorities, old prejudices about people who look and speak differently that refuse to die.
Practically calling someone a race traitor, IMO, does nothing to deal with these ongoing problems. I'm certainly not excusing the authoritarian right on this point--Bush has flagrantly tokenized Powell and Rice in the past (I'm thinking of one specific comment that I can't recall right now), but I like to think that we can get past this idea where having a certain cultural or genetic heritage necessitates voting for a certain party or holding certain political views, and to do otherwise is to reject all of that.
Well, there goes the black vote this year. Before this was the Florida scrubbing of many black voters. What ever happened to that big all inclusive tent for minorities in the Republican party? Next thing you know he will snub La Raza!
Hecate:
Plan B will be the complete unravelling of the administration a la Richard Nixon's. Watch and see.
Problem is, it will get real god damn ugly. It would be a lot easier to vote the sorry asses out of office. With the control of the Congress teetering, I do not expect any repuke gains and expect at least one house to go Democrat. If that happens, I expect the Dems to start attacking.
"you'd really like life in Vancouver or Victoria "
GWDPA,
I think you're right. Just finished a great book called "The Forest Lover" about a Canadian artist I'm ashamed to admit I'd never heard of named Emily Carr who painted in Western Canada at the turn of the century. She painted pictures of totem poles and (obviously) forests.
Made me want to go there, at least to visit.
maybe his wife condi can ease the racial tensions. i understand she used to be black.
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 07.10.04 - 4:16 pm
Second post in the thread.
I introduced the black-baiting?
Come on.
Back to Bush... is any action being taken in Florida WRT the recent revelations of more so-called "felons" who aren't really felons showing up on lists of people to ban from voting? I can't recall if this was cropping up outside of Florida, and quite frankly I'm just too damn lazy right now to look it up, so maybe someone could refresh my memory on this.
Remembering Florida in 2000... maybe there's another reason Bush refuses to speak with the NAACP.
I hope Bush wins. Just to piss you people off.
The left needs a Plan B, just in case Bush does steal the next election, but for the life of me, I can't think of one.
Call me a sentimental old lefty, but I like the idea of a general strike.
One of the big failures of the media, is their refusal to try and provoke Bush into a meldown moment.
If the media knew that Clinton had a short temper, and was likely to lose it big time. They would have gone out of their way to try and provoke him into a temper tantrum, that could then be re-played over, and over on prime time.
They know full well that Bush is likely to go quite crazy in front of their eyes, but because they are biased in his favour they give him a free ride. The only exception was when a reporter dared to ask a question that had not been submitted to Rove.........RESULT......The worst press conference in history, as Bush stood there, and admitted he could not think of a single thing he had done wrong. He was like a rabbit in the spotlights, and was there for the taking. But the lap dog media just looked on, and laughed nervously with him. They know what a fraud he is, but they also know who pays their wages.
Mark,
It was revealed today that those felon lists Jeb was forced to reveal list many more African American "felons" than Hispanic, on a population-proportionate basis. Convenient in a state where African Americans tend to vote Democrate while Hispanics tend to vote Republican -- no?
Mark B:
Condi tries to pass off as true the fable that Republicans have done more than Democrats for civil rights. That makes her:
1. Hopelessly and cluelessly ignorant of history;
2. A complete liar;
3. Both of the above;
4. Not really black.
Seems that those that are choosing "4" are trying to give her the benefit of the doubt.
This is akin to Reagan speaking about states' rights in Philadelphia, Mississippi. It's coded behavior designed to strengthen Bush's racist support.
Is this really a surprise? This is exactly what his base wants to see. A GOP President telling the NAACP to go eff itself.
A Rove approved strategy.
Call me a sentimental old lefty, but I like the idea of a general strike.
B... b... but that's a commie idea! Workers refusing to do what their employers pay them to do, showing solidarity, and expressing a shared political view?
Next thing you know, those damn freeloaders will demand the right to organize and pool their resources. As if there's a problem with individuals negotiating with a boss... and his lawyers... and his supporters... and the company's money... it's a commie idea!
*sigh*... to think there was a time when unions were effective opposition to the system, instead of being one more part of the (c-word) machine. I'd love to see factory workers, office workers, IT pros, the whole lot of people ticked off by the hierarchy to walk out, form independent associations and unions, and start demanding some respect and power.
I hope Bush wins. Just to piss you people off.
notabushie, how old are you? I can't imagine how anyone could say this who was able to look at what's happened in this country since Bush took over.
You're either young, immature for your age, or both.
Grow up.
sally,
The other thing I remember is 24/7 press coverage of Clinton's mood, etc. Remember when he finally apologized for the Monica thing but had the audacity to also lob a comment or two at Ken (I hope he dies painfully) Starr and how the press went on and on about how he wasn't contrite enough blah blah blah?
We see NONE of that kind of analysis vis a vis Bush. He acts like a crazy man, walking around clicking marbles in his left hand on the deck of this sinking ship and the press acts as if they just don't see the pink elephant in the middle of the room.
This is the man who gave an anti-affirmative action speech on MLK's birthday, so why is anyone surprised by Dubya's latest actions?
Bush to the NAACP: "Go Cheney yourselves, all you muthas!"
If anyone is speaking in a disrespectfull way, which is highly possible since this is a place that values free speech, their speech reflects on them.
I'm not always comfortable with some of the terms that are used here, and I note who's saying what. Then I develop a credibility quotient for people's posts.
Some of the Bush-bashing on how he exploits our poll"able" differences is definitley warranted.
I see this administration has given up on the idea of running a campaign based on their virtues. THis administration is doing everthing it can to wedge the views of Dems apart....and no topic, policy, so called value, or ideology is sacred.
Bush to NAACP: "Go fuck yourself!" He's smirking big, now.
Anyway, I thought the remarks about Condi, her *husband* and used to be black were hilarious. Look, Chimpy hates affirmative action, uses black folks as props, AND THEN WANTS TO CRY LIKE LITTLE GIRLY MAN 'cause the NAACP is mean to him. Fuck him!
I'll agree that maybe, in addition to being an insane person, Bush did this to play to his racist fundie base. But at least when Clinton had his Sister Soulja moment, he went there and did it face-to-face instead of first refusing to attend for scheduling reasons and then telling the world it was really because they called him names.
This whining doens't surprise me at all. Remeber when Newt threw that tantrum because he was seated at the back of AF1?
http://
interestingtimes.typepad....ybaby_bush.html
And BTW, it was a joke you twit, not racist. Quite different.
You know, I can't honestly say I'd expect Bush to do things any differently. If he did speak for the NAACP, what's the guy supposed to say?
"Why can't you people just shut up and be poor like God intended? If I had my way you'd all be rounded up, you give a bad name to good Negroes like Colin and Condi. Why are you blaming oppression and economic inequality for your problems when everybody knows rap music is to blame." Even if Bush tries really really hard, I can't see him making it through a whole speech without saying something that would offend people far more than him not speaking at all.
Like Mom said, if you can't say anything nice, etc., etc.
Not that I think it's a good thing, mind you.
And, amateur shrink that I think I am, when I read his speeches, such as the one below, his insertion of the word "see" every couple of sentences, as in "See, he had the intent and the capability..." I really start to worry. People who talk like that, in my experience, are usually lying and/or getting desparate.
Yeah, once a guy starts emulating Snidely fucking Whiplash, it's a fair bet that something has snapped.
"and, sadly, there will still be african-americans that vote for bush. one wonders just what they're thinking.
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They'll be thinking what their pastor has said regarding the President's support of 'family values' and his resistance to gay marriage. They'll give their personal welfare and dislike of his presidency a back seat to what they believe to be a moral and religious imperative. Sad really.
It's just another example of the, "government is a business," disease that inflicts the right. Addressing a group like the NAACP is seen as a needless expense. There is no immediate profit.
I might ask George to go back to his business 101 textbook and look up something called, "intangible benefits."
Condi tries to pass off as true the fable that Republicans have done more than Democrats for civil rights. That makes her:
1. Hopelessly and cluelessly ignorant of history;
2. A complete liar;
3. Both of the above;
4. Not really black.
I'd have to go with 1, and to a lesser extent 3--neither party would have done jack-crap for recognizing the rights of women and minorities if people weren't out in the streets demanding that recognition.
I don't consider 4 a legitimate response, at all. It's like saying I'm not really white because I consider Fred Hampton a modern hero, listen to Public Enemy and Peter Tosh, and think that cops in the city I live in treat non-Europeans worse than Europeans (something that has been documented in the last few years).
Implying that someone is a race traitor is an epithet that, to me, is only worthy of use by racial supremacists. I think Condi's politics are crap, and that she has an interest in the establishment of an oil empire, but I don't think that justifies race-baiting, especially from people who consider themselves more tolerant and accepting of the great diversity of peoples on Earth.
What can I say, it's one of the things that sets me off on people I normally wouldn't unload upon.
Hecate:
Extremely convenient, and exactly what I would expect of the people involved in the shenanigans last time around. Greg Palast had some great stuff about this years ago, all of which was ignored by everyone except us loony left-libertarian nuts and our pinko friends.
I hate watching history repeat 
Mark,
Where do you live? You don't use American English spellings (e.g., "colour").
If race were no longer an issue in this country, we wouldn't need the NAACP. My guess is that Bush won't speak there not only because he doesn't care about the specific issues that black people still face here, but also because the crowd will be hostile to him, and he's a coward.
Anyway, he knows he's already lost their vote; hence the need to purge so many of them from the Florida rolls (unlike Hispanics, who tend to vote Republican). And since when should race even be considered when determining the voting rights of felons, unless it is going to be used against them?
But none of this prevents him from being a hypocrite; go to the "Compassion" page of his website and see the disproportionate number of blacks in the photos. Does he feel sorry for them because they're black?
And the post about Condi once being black is, well, just plain funny. In another context, if someone said she used to be a woman, I'd find that funny, t oo.
[struggling *VOLENTLY*...must not...allow...yuri...to put on...the dumbya mask...]
[y, in dumbya mask:]
he so kweisi
[sorry]
If Bush retakes the WH by hook or crook our response is classified and on a need to know basis.
Pinapple, Pinapple, raise the glowing olive to 1/2 operational status. Over.
Black Log Republicans REJOICE...
Your dear leader actually cares about you!
Roger, roger
*Log Cabin Republicans...
/need to stop boozing
@Mark Bialkowski
OK, I didn't scroll back far enough and I agree with your last post.
I grew-up in East Africa and I saw racism and the Dem-Repugs race is far nastier "in words" so far anyway.
Apologies.
I am not racist.
"he so kweisi"
k&y,
You made me laugh out loud on this conference call! Must remember to use mute button!
"You have heard the rhetoric and the names they've called me," Bush said on his 30th visit to Pennsylvania, which he lost by 5 percentage points in the 2000 election.
Uh, no. What names was Prince Bushdar called? What is he referring to?
Mark Bialowski, there's a difference between being class and race treason, between legitimate chgaracterizations and their exploitation in racist hate-spreading. For example, this is this one old Jew, one of these Zionists who will never actually set foot in Israel but is happy to send millions to prop up the illegal settlements and help destabilize the world, and he gets his money from these gambling establishments in California ghettos. That's real, that's an actual person doing this, it was a feature in Mother Jones, and just stating that--without any insane indictment of "all Jews"--cannot be racist. Is it racist to state that in every occupation and subordination you have people who opt for comfortable collaboration? Or that black conservatives, like gay conservatives, define themselves by their willingness to turn on their own kind? Or that Condi and Colin (and Cosby), by their actions, hate black people?
We have seen this "black people = the real racists" trick before, though we are not fully able right now to explicate it.
Where do you live? You don't use American English spellings (e.g., "colour").
Canuckistan.
Toronto, in fact.
If race were no longer an issue in this country, we wouldn't need the NAACP.
Agreed, and I stated that there are many, many legitimate issues that can be discussed that feature race as a characteristic. I'm really only complaining about the race-baiting tossed at people of African descent who ally with the neoconservatives. I tech a radio show at a community station here every other Saturdays, and while there's a lot of disucssion about racial politics and black individuals, I've never heard any race-baiting crop up, at all. A person's politics may come into question on the show (Ray Charles comes to mind, though the host didn't expand), but he wasn't denigrated as being an Oreo for it, and neither was Bill Cosby for his recent statements.
It's just something I'm very, very disappointed to see from otherwise reasonable individuals. I'm trying not to toss out the standard black-flag response to this type of discourse, but trust me, the temptation to throw that flame is quite strong right now
Bonus points if you can guess that that flame is.
And the post about Condi once being black is, well, just plain funny.
Well, there's that, and the bit about the "Oreo cookie fetish". I found those comments as indicative of a point of view I normally only find in "states' rights" advocates who consider whites supporting equal rights as "race traitors". The whole thing left a queasy feeling in my tummy, and not because I ate a stale cookie.
To me, there's a qualitative difference between equating Bush with Hitler, since that's a statement about Bush's actions and policies, and calling Condi an Oreo because her politics are similar to Bush's. The first comparison is worthy of exploration, while the second is a dismissive attack that, to me, accomplishes nothing.
Perhaps I'm just too sensitive to this stuff, or maybe it's something I normally only expect of racial supremacists.
Sorry, it's not really on topic. But it's just how he is going to divide the vote...that and funding Nader.
it's on gay marriage...if you're interesed.
Or amending the constitution if you would rather look at it that way.
Mark Bialkowski --
I don't see how calling out anyone on hypocrisy is race-baiting, or gay-bashing per se. Rice and Powell (& son) are part of an administration that has made life and the political climate worse for black Americans. Many conservative, gay-bashing Republicans in DC are closeted homosexuals. Some are openly homosexual Republicans. How are they helping other gay people by actively participating in a political party that wants to amend our constitution to prohibit them from having full rights within the law??
I don't know that everyone here is all that great with finesse when it comes to pointing out such things with humor, but I really don't think the majority of commentors making such statements are race-baiting, in this instance, as they are pointing out the bald-faced denial that these individuals are obviously living in.
What do you call it when someone takes part in activities that harm their own people? Or do you ignore it?
And Condi ignorant of history? I doubt it. She has a PhD in PoliSci and was Provost at Stanford, fer cryin' out loud. No way she's deluded. Delusional, perhaps... incompetant, definitely... but given the right balance of meds I'm sure that she'd be quite capable of relating a narrative of the story of the civil rights movement superior to that of which most Americans are capable.
you know, it's the friggin' weekend, can't Bush take a day off from hate.
And to think, he won't take the time and effort to speak to the NAACP
Mark Bialowski, there's a difference between being class and race treason, between legitimate chgaracterizations and their exploitation in racist hate-spreading.
I don't think stuff like "she used to be black" and "Oreo cookie fetish" have much use in discussions of class.
The only way I can manage that, in my head, is to equate blacks with a lesser political and economic class. Using the terms in that context implies that people of African descent should be politically Democratic and economically blue-collar, otherwise they're "white". There is a definite racial component to those epithets that bugs the hell out of me.
Is it racist to state that in every occupation and subordination you have people who opt for comfortable collaboration?
If the person in question really is simply being selfish, no. There is, however, the possibility that those individuals legitimately think that their politics are beneficial to other people of their economic class and ethnic group, a concept that is absolutely denied by dismissing those people as "Oreos".
I don't know how many Log Cabin Republicans you'll see voting for the Homophobia Amendment, and I don't know if you'd see J.C. Watts supporting the restablishment of slavery. I'm not denying that there are a few individuals who legitimately dislike their ethnic group as a whole and think they're better off standing on their own, but I also think those individuals are rare enough that to toss around stuff like "white on the inside" is to unfairly lump everyone of a particular group who doesn't follow your ideological line into the same category as the legitimate haters.
Or that Condi and Colin (and Cosby), by their actions, hate black people?
Noam Chomsky, by his actions, is a self-hating Jew.
I think you'd disagree with that statement, and I hope that it helps you understand why I'm reacting so vehemently to similar stuff tossed at conservatives who happen to be black. It's a nasty, vicious implication that really should be reserved for the few disturbed individuals who truly dislike other people of their ethnic group as a whole and wish them to be marginalized until they submit to someone else.
What do you call it when someone takes part in activities that harm their own people? Or do you ignore it?
I know you want me to say "traitor", but I'm an anti-nationalist, for whom the term is very strictly limited to class-related situations of betrayal and sellout. To call someone a traitor for legitimate political beliefs is to ignore real traitors, those selfish Sonderkommandos who happily acknowledge making life worse for an entire group, nation, whatever, for their own personal gain.
Vidkun Quisling, and the American industrialists who wanted to hand the US (and its Jewish and socialist population) over to the Nazis for their own gain can be called traitors. Louis Riel, once called a Canadian traitor, was more of a revolutionary. Condi Rice is, at most, misguided--unless she knows the harm she is helping cause, in which case, yes, she can be called a traitor.
I hope I've made my POV on this clear.
lingo and jargon do reflect on the people that use it. That's on them.
People that use rhetoric will suffer natual consequences.
I hope like heck this November proves to be the best example when the white house gets different occupants.
Now as to Plan B: If by horrible misfortune Bush is re-elected, there's only one honorable thing to do and that is to impeach his rearend from sea to shining sea. And then follow up by impeaching Cheney as well, when he takes over. From there on, I suspect, we'll refight the Civil War.
Go Bialowski - "Canuckistan" - (spew tea on keyboard, o well, not the first time).
Many comments on Condi Rice tend to trivialize her - she is clearly much more intelligent than her boss. I find some of the comments sexist as well as racist. However, rather than calling her Mrs. Condi Bush or oreo, it might be more appropriate to call her Oil Tanker Condi, in honor of the oil tanker named after her when she was on Chevron's board. Condi Rice is merely a "got mine, to hell with you" type, not exactly a novelty in WashDC. She doesn't pretend to represent anyone other than her employer GWB, and certainly doesn't have mandates from the black community - she is an appointee.
In response to Biblio's question, way upthread: "What kind of name is Kwiesi, anyway?"
It means "stupid dirty girl."
See, I'm not a colored person. See. So why would I want ta speak ta a room full of colored people? See? I'm not colored. Their basic *interest* is different than mine. See? They're basically nonexistent. They called me names.
See?
The Big Dog has some good stuff on his site:
http://www.clintonpresidentialcenter.org
Or that Condi and Colin (and Cosby), by their actions, hate black people?
There is something disturbingly judgmental behind this argument, and it is exemplified by this statement, which is in turn exemplified by an old Peanuts cartoon.
Lucy tells Snoopy to hold a balloon while she goes in for lunch. He clamps it in his jaws, and proceeds to fall asleep. He yawns, releases the balloon, then wakes with a jolt to realize what he has done.
The last panel shows him walking down the railroad tracks with a stick and bandana bag (hobo-style), saying: "Make one mistake, you pay for it the rest of your life."
Really? Is that what is being said here? Bill Cosby is now damned because of two speeches that were harsh about how people live, or choose to live? I think, for the record, Barbara Ehrenreich had the best response to Cosby's recent speeches, but even she didn't condemn him to perdition for them.
Condi Rice and Colin Powell have done a great deal in their lives. Are any of us really in a position to judge how "self-hating" any one, or all, of their public actions are?
Anybody remember the story about the splinter and the log? The wisdom of that story is: the splinter you see, is just a reflection of your own error.
Judging others is easy to do. But not really all that beneficial; to them, or to you.
Who needs blacks when you've got wingnuts?
The end-timers show us their guts
By letting others die
For a pie in the sky
Idea that they shit from their butts.
To further clarify (or get in deeper, depending on your point of view): I don't think Dubya "hates black people."
I think he's stupid, blind, selfish, willfully ignorant of the problems of the poor and racial minorities in general. But hate?
No. I've seen racial hatred. It lynches people for their skin color; terrorizes them; spits on them; screams at them for attending "all-white" schools.
I've seen racial hatred. I was raised around it. What Cosby said, or what Powell or Rice or Bush do, is not hatred of blacks. It may be harmful, venial, stupid. It is not hatred.
This is a smart political move by Bush, IMO.
Look, he wasn't going to get more then 4-5% of the black vote anyway and those people aren't likely to be at the NACCP convention.
What you would have is a President walking into a hostile hornet's nest. He'd be booed. There would be protests. It would be a PR nightmare.
Rove is not stupid enough to intentionally put him in that situation.
Is it just me, or is Bush the biggest Puss to come down the pike in a long time?
"Oh, they called me names" seems to be a common refrain for him.
dave
closet racists these wingnuts be.
This is a smart political move by Bush, IMO.
Well, how big a surprise is it, since during the primaries he visited the school that banned interracial dating (name escapes me, and 5 people will pop up with it in a minute).
So it's smart politics, for the reasons you outline, but it is handled in typical ham-handed style by Bush.
I think by now the "they called me names" line is going to be recognized as petulant and childish. Hardly reassuring actions from a POTUS who should be able to suck it up and refuse for public, not personal, reasons.
I mean, if he's not over being "called names" by now, he needs to repeat grade school, or find some emotional maturity. Cheney got his base fired up with his "Go f*ck yourself," but they were fired up anyway.
The rest of the country was just embarassed, and left wondering if he can handle the pressure of the job anymore. This puts Bush in the same light.
You know, this behavior by Bush (and I'm including his petulant response to the Irish reporter, too) just shows up the fundamental difference between him and Clinton. If GWB had to endure even one thousandth of the abuse that Clinton faced practically from the moment of his inauguration, the big baby would have collapsed into a sobbing heap. Clinton was clearly made of stronger stuff.
Bob Jones University (I think).
"When you are president, you are elected to be president of all the people," Mfume said.
This is the bottom line. Don't tell me that Bush is a uniter, or compassionate, or a true leader, who makes sacrifices in order to put the country first.
He is horrible.
Worst. President. Ever.
Look, he wasn't going to get more then 4-5% of the black vote anyway and those people aren't likely to be at the NACCP convention.
This is precisely the Bush's campaigns' strategy. If the NAACP is correct (and I have no reason to believe they aren't), GWB will be the first president since Harding not to address the NAACP.
By skipping the NAACP, the Bush campaign is making a closet appeal to racists. "I don't have to kowtow to them ni**ers" is the subtext. Fits in nicely with Cheney berating abortion rights and the upcoming Hate Amendment. (They don't like "feminazis" or fa*s, either.)
"Social issues", a/k/a stirring up racism, sexism and homophobia, is the whole of the Bush campaign. It's not like they can run on their record or anything.
The Cracker in Chief makes it sound like the NAACP initiated attacks on him, but his behavior towards African-American govt and community leaders has been atrocious from day one.
Except when he needs a black face or two for a photo-op.
Washington, D.C. July 16, 2003 - Yesterday, U.S. Rep. Elijah E. Cummings (D-MD), Chair of the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC), was invited by the White House to join a group of Congressional members to meet with President George W. Bush to discuss the President’s recent trip to Africa. In a letter submitted to the President today, Chairman Cummings respectfully declined.
Chairman Cummings issued the following brief statement:
"I respectfully declined an invitation to meet with the President today. The CBC has requested a meeting with the President for over two-and-a-half years and, unfortunately, each time he has refused. I appreciate the President’s gesture to include me as a part of a group of congressional members to be briefed on his recent trip to Africa. However, I would hope that the President would meet with the CBC, as a whole, on the many pressing domestic and international challenges facing this country. As public servants, we have a duty to put aside our differences and come together for the good of the country. I hope the President feels the same way.” (Congressional Black Caucus, 07/16/03)
Uniter my ass.
I wonder, does he understand the subtexts he delivers or is it just what he's spoon-fed by the people surrounding him?
Robert M. Jeffers sez:
I don't think Dubya "hates black people."
My understanding is GeeDub isn't especially bigoted. But I'm certain he hates those who he believes crossed him somehow. And I think he is very quick to see insults (real or imagined).
His treatment of the NAACP is typical. I've known the type. They come across as "hail-fellows well-met" until they perceive a slight. Then they'll slit your throat lickety-split.
Glorious Leader is very much a hater.
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Worst. President. Ever.
Indeed.
Hahaha, Florida has to scrap flawed felon voting list.
I wonder, does he understand the subtexts he delivers or is it just what he's spoon-fed by the people surrounding him?
I strongly suspect the latter is true. He doesn't strike me as a particularly intellectually-oriented person, and seems to let others do the thinking for him. Bush seems to make decisions by pure emotional reaction, and with blind, thoughtless trust in people he has come to accept as close friends and advisors.
He is precisely the person you want in the figurehead position if you want to make some serious changes to the political system without being viewed as responsible, a puppet who can be manipulated into thinking he's in control while parrotting the ideas fed to him by others.
I'm not sure he has an original thought in his head.
Re: understanding the subtext
Oh he knows exactly what message he's sending. During his AWOL period when he was working on an election campaign, part of his duties was to misrepresent the opponent as someone who was intent on destroy white schools by busing in black kids.
He's pointedly arranged his most egregiously anti-black, anti-equality actions to coincide with national MLK observances.
If he were honest, he'd wear his sheet in public.
Don't know if it has been said yet (haven't read through any of the comments) but Bush is either afraid of black people or is unwittingly prejudiced. (i'm trying to be kind here, bear with me).
Everytime I see that 16 words snippet from the 2002 SOTU and hear him emphasize "...from Africa," I swear his emphasis is implying that Iraq tried not to just acquire uranium, but, he tried to (hold on to your seats because this will scare you senseless) acquire uranium (and not just garden variety uranium, or low grade uranium but) African uranium! (and you know what that means. African uranium could kill us all. It is deep, dark sneaky uranium the likes of which civilized nations (unlike the nation of Africa) can't possibly fathom. The only way we can understand it is that it could kill us all.
Plan B: I have a pitchfork and I know how to use it.
It's not just the NAACP...Bush won't speak to ANY crowd that doesn't consist of (A) carefully screened Republicans, (B) cowed & pre-vetted press corps, or (C) military & law-enforcement personnel whose terms of employment implicitly or explicitly preclude open opposition. Heck, even NIXON had the balls to walk out and talk to anti-war people.
I'm tired of reading in fringe publications and blogs about "free speech zones" and "Mr. So-and-so arrested for wearing wrong T-shirt" and "Cheney addresses Heritage Foundation for 63rd time in 3 years". It's time our opposition party and our opposition candidate stepped up and addressed this head on as the national disgrace that it is, and forced the mainstream media to take notice.
Say what you will about Clinton; I don't remember his being reluctant to speak to any audience, anywhere, anytime without a hermetic bubble and a safety net. Bush is a craven coward, pure and simple.
I don't think W hates anybody -- at least not until they cross him and admittedly it doesn't take much to cross him. I think that like all sociopaths, he doesn't percieve other people as being real. That's why as long as they are fun or useful, he glad to be around them -- one of the things that makes sociopaths so "charming" personally. But if you get on his wrong side, even inadvertently, then "Cheney you" and he'd just as soon kill you as look at you becuase you've gotten in the way of his gratification, which is the only thing that matters to a sociopath. It's essentially an infantile character trait, when the infant percieves himself to be the only thing in the world that matters. It's pre-empathetic.
I'm sure Thomas Sowell will soon write a column excusing him.
"I'm really only complaining about the race-baiting tossed at people of African descent who ally with the neoconservatives. I tech a radio show at a community station here every other Saturdays, and while there's a lot of disucssion about racial politics and black individuals, I've never heard any race-baiting crop up, at all."
Mark - why would you think so little race-baiting would crop up on your local radio show in Toronto? Equally, why would there be significant discussion about racial politics and black folk? That is to say, in Toronto? Are we discussing the heavy influx of African-Americans or merely the peculiarities as perceived of the US or of African-Canadians? I'm a bit confused.
Equally, why would there be significant discussion about racial politics and black folk? That is to say, in Toronto?
Probably because the hosts, and many of the guests are of African origin, from across the US, Canada, and the world. This show operates out of a station that practically screams its radical leftist credentials to the world.
"and, sadly, there will still be african-americans that vote for bush. one wonders just what they're thinking."
Just by coincidence, the few African Americans who'll vote for Bush are all rich, just like Will Smith. It's typical "I got mine, Fuck you!" Its not just blacks, either. We can't forget the so called "Log Cabin Republicans" - gays and lesbians who have no qualms about throwing their support behind one of the most homophobic administrations ever (Hello, Mary Cheney!).
"The left needs a Plan B, just in case Bush does steal the next election, but for the life of me, I can't think of one. Hecate"
I'm thinking lawyers, guns, money. Not sure in which order.
"It's time our opposition party and our opposition candidate stepped up and addressed this head on as the national disgrace that it is, and forced the mainstream media to take notice."
turbonium - I'm expecting Kerry/Edwards to confront Bush head-on about these issues, in the strongest possible terms. You're absolutely right. We should not be crying like victims and skulking about as the aggrieved party. They had better come out swinging - and soon.
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Anonymous (grandson of Noel?),
After Florida 2000, I think you may be down to two options.
I wonder how many dresses Condi has that are stained with some of Bush's DNA?
I'm glad to see the sociopath diagnosis is taking hold. I called it several months ago, and every day we see further evidence supporting it.
Well then, Mark, that pretty much explains the odd lack of antagonism toward black people, wouldn't you think?
Equally, it might be a poorish viewpoint from which to regard US black/white relations, or, Republican/Democratic. Toronto's a fine, fine town, but you're looking at a fairly high historical barrier - and certainly you're well aware that the truth of race relations in one country is not often paralleled by another.
I was just looking at Statistics Canada incidentally, and discover that as of the last census there were all of 310,000 identified 'Blacks' within the greater Toronto area - of course that's self-identified, but does not seem to include the pool of South Asian or Caribbean or African Canadians. It's an interesting ethnographic background, but again, only marginally applicable to the realities of race relations in the US.
Just saying.
Good one Pie. I was going to blog this, but you and Holden and Athenae have been burning down the house.
Waaaaahhhh!!! Why won't that mean old president show up so we can boo and take pot shots at him for our Democratic masters. Waaahhhhh!!!!
The big bad darkies are calling George names?
Names like THIS, perhaps?
Or maybe like THIS?
ppd: On 16 words
I must chime in with you.
I heard that speech and I swore I heard the "heart of darkness" tone in the way he said "Africa-a-a" , and he hung his head just a bit as if he were sharing a secret that only a few would understand but still shouldn't be spoken aloud.
I never brought it up to even my most liberal friends because I really thought I had just missapplied my imagination again.
Anyone else get creeped by the way he said that?
Why won't that mean old president show up...
I'm sure you were as concerned when Clinton was president.
Oh, wait a minute. When was Clinton booed?
And how do you know that the convention attendees would lower themselves to do that?
You're pathetic. Bush is a coward and only speaks in front of handpicked crowds. Loser.
On plan B:
I think my bare hands are going to be much more satisfying...
I may have to call in to work on Wednesday from GTMO
Waaaaahhhh!!! Why won't that mean old president show up so we can boo and take pot shots at him for our Democratic masters. Waaahhhhh!!!!
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The question is why every President since Hoover did.
You might also ask how every President since Hoover avoided savagely attacking the American job (and how no president until Bush has attacked American safety) for his foreign masters.
Thanks, Tena. Happy to see you.
Bush is a coward and only speaks in front of handpicked crowds.
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LOL! The NAACP is nothing more than a Democrat support group nowadays. It's not even relevent outside the Democratic party so I commend Bush on the courage to stand up and ignore them for the frauds they are.
Deeply strange - (or I'm just a blinkered idiot, but anyway) - the NAACP has its own poll/blog going (http://tinyurl.com/2vjet) which apparently has been LGF'd. Filled with hostile comments about the NAACP being mean to the shrubbery. Goodness, the contract trolls are really spreading out!
I need a macro key that plays back "This is incredible but surely..."
This is incredible but surely there must be more to this than simple stupidity. A lot of folks call him "names" but he still deals with them even if it rankles him somewhat. It is his job as a *Leader* to bridge those misunderstandings or at least grasp why people might be upset.
The message he is sending by refusing to deal with them is chilling. I am not always a fan of what the NAACP has to say, but I respect them enough to listen first and then decide how I feel about whatever the topic was.
Of course on the other hand, by any chance did Bush confuse them with the NCAA.
It's not even relevent...
Says who? You? Twit.
And you misspelled relevant, Thug (aka NAACP).
How sad that you support a poor excuse for a leader like georgie bush. A real man would face his critics. I take it you think his stand makes him look good.
Wrong, as usual. He's a laughingstock.
Incidentally, this pretty much is what Shrub is so ticked off about - how DARE Julian Bond say this:
"NAACP Chief Blasts Bush's Policies as Bad for America
By Kevin Harris, Special to BET.com
Posted June 16, 2004 -- NAACP Chairman Julian Bond accused the Republican Party of relying on “the politics of racial division to win elections and gain power.”
“By playing the race card in election after election they’ve appealed to that dark underside of American culture, to that minority of Americans who reject democracy and equality,” said Bond earlier this month, speaking at the Take America Back conference in Washington, D.C. “They preach racial neutrality and they practice racial division. They celebrate Dr. King and they misuse his message.”
But Bond also criticized his fellow Democrats, referring to them as an “amen corner” that all too often fails to offer an opposing view to that of Republicans.
“With some notable exceptions, they’ve been absent without leave in this battle for America’s soul," he said. "When one party is shameless, the other can’t afford to be spineless.”
But Bond saved his sharpest barbs for George W. Bush, blasting the president on an array of policy decisions, from tax cuts for the rich to judicial appointments.
Bond blamed tax cuts for the current deficit and said they aided in a larger scheme to undermine social programs.
“That, after all, was the whole point, to further enrich the already wealthy, to starve the government, to make it unable to meet human needs – signing a death warrant for social programs for decades and decades to come,” he said.
“We have a president who talks like a populist and governs for the privileged,” he continued. “We were promised compassionate conservatism; instead we got crony capitalism.”
Bond said, too, that the president’s judicial nominees have been “hostile to the basic principles of civil rights law and civil rights enforcement” and that they have attempted to “rewrite anti-discrimination laws from the bench.” "
How sad that you support a poor excuse for a leader like georgie bush. A real man would face his critics. I take it you think his stand makes him look good.
Wrong, as usual. He's a laughingstock.
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LOL!!! A laughinstock in whose eyes? Just liberals and their vote is already cast. In other words people who don't matter. Yep, the truth is his stance DOES make him look good. The NAACP's sense of entitlement in this issue is only making them look like whining losers.
GWB - That's G as in Gutless.
Thug - Apparently you have a very basic misunderstanding of the nature of the presidency.
The President is our employee. He is sworn to represent ALL of us, not just those who like him or support him or vote for him or even who are nice to him.
He's not a king; he does not rule by divine right. He is an employee who serves at our pleasure.
You seem to also misunderstand our Constitution, where we are guaranteed, in the First Amendment, "the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Obviously, no petitioning for a redress or grievances can occur if the President, the people's employee, is a coward who shunts anyone with a grievance to a "free speech zone" so his beautiful mind can remain untroubled by the many of his employers he has royally screwed.
GWPDA
After reading that, then the basic fact is Bush is miffed and too much of a
COWARD
to step up and address his critics directly. Business as usual.
Yep, the truth is his stance DOES make him look good.
Only to you. And you probably aren't even old enough to vote.
Maybe next time, kid.
Dubya's snub is certainly no big loss to NAACP members and convention attendees, I can assure you. However, it does speak alarmingly to the increasing sense of political polarization that's being experienced throughout this country.
The GOP has deliberately fostered a sense of political belligerence and regional mistrust -- i.e., "red" states or "Bush Country" v. "blue" states -- for many years now, in much the same manner the old Democratic Party of the early 19th century did in the period leading up to our Civil War.
Thug - Furthermore, any president who expresses through word or action the notion you attribute to him, i.e. "people who don't matter", has demonstrated his manifest unfitness to hold any elective office, much less the highest office in the land. Anyone who would applaud and support such an arrogant abuse of office by an employee obviously hates America and the Constitution.
Really, people.
This blog wastes a lot of space on dumb stuff. Out of all Bush's faults and mistakes, THIS is what you spend time on?
WTF cares about the NAACP and their big ego? If they had a clue, they would just offer that speaking spot to someone they can actually work with and stop whining.
What Thug means is that "liberals aren't really American- they're not really even human.
Liberals are all like blacks that way!
"Of course on the other hand, by any chance did Bush confuse them with the NCAA."
Maybe he confused them with the AARP and is afraid they'll yell at him about his revolting prescription drug scam.
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...they would just offer that speaking spot to someone they can actually work with and stop whining.
I believe they did. The next president will be addressing them.
(We *ADORE* Julian Bond by the way. Still fucking handsome.)
Carefully re-read Bond's statements and consider their framing as "barbs". Consider how reasonable they sound, how neutral. Recall these next time you hear about "virulent" (is that not the most utterly misused word in the discourse? Every hatred is "virulent", especially when it is only held by a tiny minority or individual! What the hell kind of virus is that?!) and irrational hatred (especially "Bush-hatred") "on the left".
Interesting. This and the black caucas scene in F911 is really putting the issues on the front burner. I think this is going to really turn out to bite him good.
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Thug: " ...In other words people who don't matter. ..."
I'd be really careful in whom you call "people who don't matter".
Thanks in no small part to the condescending and contemptuous attitude you clearly exude, if a political sea change does occur in November, you and your obnoxious GOP compatriots may one day find yourselves in that clearly-defined category of your own making -- and you will have no one to blame for your folly but yourself.
"Black Caucus", that is. Before anyone else catches it... (but I can spell clenis!)
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I thought Colin Powell was black too, until I saw him dance.
And Mark, I'm no more a race baiter than you are a troll. We all need to lighten up now and then. PC be damned.
OT - By the way, I just read some poll that says Bush wins if he replaces Cheney with Powell. I find that unbelievable. Powell has no credibility anywhere these days...
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You know a few days back I made comments about compartmentalizing people, labelling them. I just realized in my bit of a snit (yeah it is a snit), that I did the same thing. But some times you have to call it as you see it. Everyman has days when they seem cowardly and sometimes during their life they finally stand up when it counts. So far as I can tell, this man believes belligerence and "frank" statements qualify as standing up when in fact as a *Leader* he is looked to provide solutions. He has constantly run away. His or his handler's basic view that enables constraint of sources that are critical of the man, the administration and his/its policies amounts to the most generalized form of bigotry I have seen. It is not simply a race issue, it is boiling down to those who are not one with the message are not to be seen, heard or attended to. In this respect, this president and his people have nullified the concept of the President and a fair and representative government.
But y'all knew that already.
(This damn soap box keeps getting taller).
And apologies ahead of time for my spelling errors and typos. They seem to be getting worse.
"Oh man, this is awesome.
Bush is playing this with absolutely no delicacy at all.
Good bye African American vote. Not even Will Smith at the Convention will repair this one.'
Nice try but outside of the people on this site, most Americans don't take the NAACP seriously anymore. People that compare Republicans to the Taliban or Nazis do not deserve to be treated seriously - hence Bush is absolutely right not to go to this now meaningless organization.
On another topic, it looks like the Left's OTHER hero these days (the first being micahel moore) is a complete phony and liar too:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...er=emailarticle
I'd tell you I was surprised but then I would be the one lying.
So Bytor (wtf kind of handle is that, anyway), you've taken time out of you obviously busy schedule to lecture us about wasting time on "dumb stuff". The gist of the story is that your Dear Leader has, in effect, said "Fuck You!" to a considerable portion of the electorate. The last President stupid enough to do that was Nixon, when he allegedly said "Fuck em! in reference to Jewish voters. THAT is hardly "dumb stuff" as you call it. But that's OK. You know why? Because right now, Chimpy is digging a hole for himself that is so deep , even Unka Karl won't be able to save his pathetic ass. What do you think about that, trollshit??
'"and, sadly, there will still be african-americans that vote for bush. one wonders just what they're thinking."
They're sayinmg that they finally see through the bullshit of the Democrat's policies.
They see the Democrats have had 40 years now to further their cause since the Civil Rights movement and have little to show for it.
They're tired of the "Great Societies" and government programs that are only making life for their children worse.
Ultimately, they're tired of being taken for granted.
Darth Philly G
Hmmm
Once again up is down, bad is good and good is evil. Amazing how many of these things seem to be happening.
"Bush is fucked and I bet $80 a long time ago that the Dems would win 2004.
If he is behaving like this, I truly fear the October surprise. Then again, I think.... The Corporates that run the system.... will kick him out.
Now, next target, the Corporates."
In all seriousness, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Seriously, some of you people are the biggest fucking idiots I've ever seen.
Late in joining this intellectual bunfight, but I think it's simple: Bush calculates that he'll lose more votes (from white racists, etc.) than he'll gain (from racial minorities) if he does speaks at the NAACP convention. Instead, he hopes to go around groups like the NAACP by packing the stage at the convention with non-white faces, just as he did in 2000. The "racially inclusive GOP" meme is not about winning non-white voters, except serendipitously; it is about assuring moderates in the suburbs that Bush is not a racist and, if they vote for him, they are not racists, either.
I don't think I'm saying exactly what anybody upthread has already said, though some folks have said similar things, though without this particular emphasis.
This may sound ill-informed, but is Will Smith really a republican?
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They (kerry/edwards)had better come out swinging - and soon.
Either the press is just not covering them or they are taking this "let him (Bush) hang himself" thing way to far, for my comfort ... these guys need to get attack his message like Sherman did Georgia.
PS You sound like Ralph Nader. My friends and I have developed a drinking game whenever Ralph talks. Anytime he uses the words "corporate", "corporation" or "paymaster" we take a drink. And we take two if he uses the above in any combination.
The sad part is, some of you actually take this guy seriously.
Ultimately, they're tired of being taken for granted.
Philly G., you must be kidding. This is a stretch, and you know it.
If any of those programs were removed, what do you think would happen to the majority of those people?
Don't forget, doll, that other minorities and, horrors!, white people are the recipients of those programs, too.
The sad part is, some of you actually take this guy seriously.
Um, you've been drinking too much. See the thread below.
Uncle $cam -
I pray. The time is RIGHT NOW to speak up loud and clear and with ATTITUDE. They have everything to lose if they are delicate and parse words.
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The left needs a Plan B, just in case Bush does steal the next election, but for the life of me, I can't think of one. Hecate"
I'm thinking lawyers, guns, money. Not sure in which order."
Or how about this grand idea? Get some better ideas.
and, sadly, there will still be african-americans that vote for bush. one wonders just what they're thinking.
rday | Email | Homepage | 07.10.04 - 4:32 pm | #
Gwenny Ifil,Condi and poodlePowell are a disgrace to their race...THEY HAVE NO CARING FOR THEIR OWN PEOPLE.SHAME,SHAME ON THEM.
"Um, you've been drinking too much. See the thread below."
I did say some, not all.
My god, Philly G, you linked to an article about Wilson that has been discussed here already.
Read this and this.
Then come back and talk.
Come on. You're smarter than this.
I did say some, not all.
I appreciate that. Still. Most comments here are reasonable.
kei & yuri-
Effing-EXACTLY, to the twinned twain of you. (Yes, Bond is still just elegant, a great relief and hope for us all.... Bond's remarks are politically adroit, clean, precise - there is no viciousness, no 'hatred'. I remember when we all spoke as adults in this and the fact that the shrubbery is incapable of distinguishing personal attack from political discours is horrible for us all.
You're smarter than this.
Um, no, actually, he isn't.
"I appreciate that. Still. Most comments here are reasonable."
I wouldn't go that far although you, pie, have generally been one of the more reasonable ones. I just have noticed a growing uptick in the number of black helicopter people. At first, it was amusing, now I just want to smack some sense into these people.
Seriously, who the fuck are the Corporates? And is Donald Trump one, even though he doesn't like Bush?
"Ultimately, they're tired of being taken for granted."
You see? This is the kind of bullshit we have to contend with everytime Little Green Fuckheads website goes down. So Philly G, what you're telling us is that African Americans are being taken for granted by the Democratic Party but would feel much more appreciated supporting the GOP - a party which is the mortal enemy of social programs such as afffirmative action?? Yeah, next thing you'll be telling us is no President has done more for Civil Rights than George W Bush. Goddamn, you are one ignorant motherfucker!
At first, it was amusing, now I just want to smack some sense into these people.
Hmmm. I think the feeling might be mutual, but whatever.
There really aren't that many people who slam the corporations, but there's no doubt that they don't regard John and Jane Doe as important unless they're major stockholders. It's just the way it is, and people get pissed off.
A few have a lot of money, and it never seems to be enough, while a lot of people, some who work very hard, never seem to get ahead.
It's easy to ignore them or pretend they don't matter. I think most of us here, regardless of income, don't want to do that.
GWB: Does the NAACP have black people, too?
now I just want to smack some sense into these people.
How manly of you. You are a feisty little fella!
Darth Philly P is a poseur. He undoubtedy spends an inordinate amount of time yanking his crank as that is what he is doing here in a figurative sense.
Right, Mr. DPP?
Yes, African Americans have woken up to the fact that "Democrats take them for granted"...which is why they voted for Bush in overwhelming numbers (8%) in 2000!
Smarter trolls, please.
I'd be reluctant to drag Powell into this. He's socially liberal, according to a profile from '95 in the New Yorker magazine.
As for African-Americans feeling that they, as a group, are being taken for granted:
It is not exactly genuine to say that they are taken for granted by either major party. Let's face it, when people say that they are just waving potential votes in politicians faces. This is as if the entire voting bloc would turn around and vote for the GOP because blacks feel as if the Democrats abandoned them.
One, that isn't likely to happen. There is no chance that as a voting bloc, African-Americans will just jump to the other team. Why not? The GOP ain't doing most blacks any favors;that's why there isn't likely to be a mass exodus to the GOP.
Seriously, any group of voters has certain wants as a community. For instance, the Cuban community in Florida has certain expectations from polititians for their causes. If the politicians deliver, either substantially or symbolically, they in turn get support from a good number, not all, but a good number of Cuban-American voters and donors.
Name one thing that the GOP has done post-reconstruction for African-Americans that warrants support.
The most recent things that any particular group of Af-Ams received were tax cuts and the end of the Estate Tax. That particular group were wealthy blacks, entrepeneurs.
For the most part, part of the extension of Nixon's Southern Strategy which was continued by Reagan and puffed up by the Republican "Revolution" essentially entailed dissassembling the social safety net which assisted blacks, and other groups. Nothing in the GOP led Congress or Bush's presidency has done anything to enhance the quality of life for most poor or working class blacks in this country. As a group, perhaps even including some more conservative blacks, ensuring that the lives of poor and working class and middle class blacks isn't made more difficult is a desire for the community as a whole. True, perhaps Thomas Sowell or Armstrong Williams don't desire for such hooks to prop up a brother; thinking that they are problematic and symptomatic of larger problems to blacks. But, the community as a whole, partially represented by the NAACP, is not to dump on blacks.
Bush hasn't done any favors and seems inclined to write off the black vote in favor or curbing the potential of Kerry/Edwards trying to get Southern/Rural white voters who aren't experiencing this wonderful economic boom times. It is an easier goal than trying to get a larger part of the black vote.
In other words, Bush and Rove would feel strategically playing the race card will yield more red state/southern white votes than actually doing something which shows that they sympathize with the concerns of the NAACP and with most blacks.
To paraphrase the defunct rap band the Disposable Heroes of Hyphopcrisy:
"Will he Horton or will he get elected?"
Is "Bytor" a Rush reference? ("Bytor" is like this dragon that serves as a logo for the Canadian band.)
And, it is actually true that Democrats took Florida blacks for granted, so the black community "demonstrated" against this the only way our one-party system allows...by electing Jeb. That was where Jeb came from. He had failed in the past specifically because of his disdain for blacks. Of course, Jeb taught them all about their "choices".
The worst thing about Bush is what he allows "Democrats" like Daschle and Zell and Loserman to get away with, because after all the only other choice is unthinkable. It's a more sophisticated version of Bush's "me or Al Qaeda" or "me or the Baathists" garbage.
I just have noticed a growing uptick in the number of black helicopter people.
It always cracks me up when right-wing trolls toss this meme around. The "black helicopter" conspiracy story got its start on right-wing sites, as it fits in nicely with Waco and chemtrails and one-worlder paranoia.
I'd like to second Jennifer's call for smarter trolls. Or at least ones who've gone through puberty, unlike DPG.
This year 'Lil Georgie is blaming the meanies at the NAACP.
What the hell was his excuse four years ago?
The real reason Bush says "Go F_CK yourselves" to the NAACP is to placate and rally his ignorant and intolerant base.
Bush is a divider. He fuels the division...basically throwing gasoline on it.
That bastard get's another four years to squat in the White House and you are going to see race riots that make the ones in the 1980s seem like a picnic.
This year 'Lil Georgie is blaming the meanies at the NAACP.
What the hell was his excuse four years ago?
The real reason Bush says "Go F_CK yourselves" to the NAACP is to placate and rally his ignorant and intolerant base.
Bush is a divider. He fuels the division...basically throwing gasoline on it.
That bastard get's another four years to squat in the White House and you are going to see race riots that make the ones in the 1980s seem like a picnic.
"Or how about this grand idea? Get some better ideas. Darth Philly G"
I would, of course, be open to suggestions. Have any?
Mark B.
It was a joke fella. Never take too much of these comments literally. This means of communication is one of the worst in the world.
"I hope Bush wins. Just to piss you people off."
notabushie | Email | Homepage | 07.10.04 - 5:22 pm | #
Too late!
We've been pissed off since the SCOTUS interfered with the right of Americans to expect that their votes be counted.
If he wins, it will only consolidate mine and many other's opinions that the American people are sheep.
Sheep of the same kind that committed genocide against the native population of this country, and during that time carried out mass kidnappings of thousands of african people, oppressing, mutilating, torturing, raping, and murderng them for centuries in ways that would make Saddam Hussein proud to call himself an american!!
So having Bush win in November would not surprise me.
Now go cheney yourself.
MYOB'
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I've got a suggestion. I suggest Chimp connect with reality for a change! Bush doesn't give a rat's ass about black folks unless they're props for his photo-ops.
Also, I would really appreciate it if more black folks got off their asses and voted their own interests. Here in Louisville, the voter turnout in black districts is the lowest in the entire state. In fact, in Louisville we had thugs going to the polls in predominately black districts to challenge voter ID's etc, and voter turnout was almost unchanged from the previous election. Voter apathy is self destruction to my mind.
I don't see what the outrage is.....if I were Bush I wouldn't talk to them either. There is no way they are going to support him in November and you can bet they are only going to take what he says and make hay of it. While I don't like W I have to admire his gumption in telling a group like this to buzz off.
Do you see Democraps speaking to the NRA or other such conservative groups? (yes....the NAACP is a liberal group)
Let's just say what is real. Bu$h is the worst Preznit-wit ever in the history of our country.
I don't see what the outrage is
There's a lot you don't see and I doubt you ever will.
to TheRover...
Though I understand your point, it seems that part of the problem in this country is that we can't (or won't) speak to or with people who have differing views. How in the heck are we ever to reach some sort of community again if we don't have the guts and maturity to try to communicate across the board? Politics aside, shouldnt our leaders be able to speak to all of us and not avoid groups where they think they might encounter opposition or differing opinions. Seems to me you are advocating this disappointing approach rather than advocating for any change. No, I truly do not understand why the President of the United States will not speak to citizens of this country, no matter what their views...he looks even MORE like the dufus he is. The keys to this guy's character were revealed in five minutes of Fahrenheit 911 when he sat in the Kindergarten with his beady eyes shifting all over the place rather than get his worthless ass up to deal with the unfolding crisis. This with the NAACP is more of the same shifty, beady eyed crap. He IS the worst and soriest President EVER....
It is absurd that the NAACP would appeal to Bush's better nature and seek his attendance.
How can anyone express shock at this. Bush is not about that.
He is unequivocally about White racism pure and simple.
The NAACP should be ashamed to even have asked Bush. That in itself is disgraceful. A little will placed contempt for the Republican death machine would certainly have been appropos.
Jill
Bush got only 9 or 10 percent of the Black vote.Would that be all of Rice, Powell and Thomas's friends and supporters? I think about 10 percent of the Black population is Catholic. I know Thomas is Catholic; are Rice and Powell? Anyone know?
bigvic - if that's the case, then get out there and start registering black voters and explaining to them the importance of voting! (Hint: the prospect of a draft should Bush/Cheney get elected/enough votes to steal the election is a powerful motivator for young black men, I've found. While being careful to make clear that it's not a "done deal", I've made sure to mention to them that it is a danger. They know damn well they'd be the first ones drafted.) And while you're at it, give them a card or paper explaining their rights as a voter and who to call to report voter intimidation.
TheRover - "Democraps"? Oh, how cute! I just love the level of maturity the rightwing has brought to the "debate". It reminds me of those long ago days of 3rd and 4th grade.
The biggest part of the reason "Democraps" don't address the NRA or Moral Majority is that they aren't invited to address these groups. Because, as we all know, if you're not a Republican, you're an evil, sick, treasonous, America-hating, terrorist-sympathizing, Saddam-loving baby killer.
At the very least, the NAACP extends the invitation - and in doing so, shows more class and maturity than all the rightwing groups combined.
Bill Clinton spoke to the NAACP.
George HW Bush spoke to the NAACP.
Ronald Reagan spoke to the NAACP.
Jimmy Carter spoke to the NAACP.
Gerald Ford spoke to the NAACP.
Richard Nixon spoke to the NAACP.
Lyndon Johnson spoke to the NAACP.
I could go on, but I think you see my point.
Who does George W Bush think he is?
The NAACP hates Bush. Why do you gristleheads think he's obligated to show up and take shit off of them? The morons ought to be glad that their tax-exempt status hasn't been stripped from them for all the DNC shilling they do.
I'm a racist and I vote!
Very useful to get the racist vote. I think it's what puts many of the Republicans in office.
The Rover,
Yes. There have been Democrats, and some lately that have spoken at the NRA meetings. There are several democrats who are registered members of the NRA, and those that are rated highly on their voting lists. This explains why most anti-gun legislation during the Clinton years disn't pass with an entirely party-line vote. There were many democratic crossovers on most of those votes. Particularly those in the south and rural states.
But in reference to the NAACP, you seem to forget that african americans do vote for republicans. Just like there are gay and lesbians who vote republican, hence the 'Log Cabin Republicans.'
The point is if you look at the number of successful african americans who make enough money to consider themselves middle to upper class, most that I have seen tended to vote for republicans based on support for tax cuts.
The reason why Bush won't talk at their meeting, I'd guess, is probably based on the fact they(SS/Rove) can't control the attending crowd's loyalty, thus they can't ensure they won't start booing or heckling the president during the speach.
Then there's the simple fact Bush doesn't give a shit about anyone below his stature.
MYOB'
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I haven't read all the other comments yet (I will just after I post this), but it strikes me just HOW openly cynical this administration is.
They must have written off the black vote completely in their campaign, or figured that any black that has stayed with them still, just plain is not going to vote against them no matter how badly treated, and the rest can go jump.
Add to it their incredible chutzpah to suddenly go so all out against "gay marriage" in a year when we have soldiers dying in Iraq, pollution, economix problems, warnings about impending terrorist actions....and gay marriage is THE issue?
The people that are too prejudiced or to blinded by hate will fall for this, but I sure hope we are better than that as a nation.
They seem to also be giving the southern states NO credit for having gotten past past prejudices...I hope it backfires!
As far as the "see..."
I think it is more Edward G. Robinson
than "Spanky"....
With a pinch of Three Stooges.
Seriously, after the "let's just
say, they aren't a problem anymore"
in regards killing some terrorists, it has bugged me how much these guys sound like gangsters.
If you ever read quotes from the likes of Al Capone, Legs Diamond, etc.
(not least fictional chars also, like Tony Soprano, though Soprano speaks much better)
this is the exact kind of phrasing, ideology, and mindset.
He's been doing it whenever he strays from the speeches espcially.
Bush base loves it. He doesn't have the bas solid, yet and not even before Edwards was named VP.
Bush got only 9 or 10 percent of the Black vote.Would that be all of Rice, Powell and Thomas's friends and supporters? I think about 10 percent of the Black population is Catholic. I know Thomas is Catholic; are Rice and Powell? Anyone know?
AM | Email | Homepage | 07.11.04 - 1:09 am | #
I have it on good intel, that they worship BIG GREEN MONAIE$$.in this country the fastest growing religion.
um, realistically, georgie is president for just a small number of americans.he could care l;ess about most americans.
Byron......I see plenty buddy....plenty that you obviously refuse to see. On a purely political basis Bush is doing the right thing here....as someone else above mentioned...this fires up his base and doesn't cost him anything at all. If the democrat(p)s would get some balls they would learn how the game is played.
I would love to see them stick with a tough position for more than one day....just look at the recent flap over the fundraiser....one day it represents all of America and the next Kerry distances himself from what was said....this is BS. Recent reports say that Bush told Cheney that once he told Leahy to go fuck himself he should stick with it, don't back down. It is for that reason that Bush will likely win re-election this year. Only when the dems get a spine will the deserve to win back the white house.....
I do think, however, that there is enough time between now and Nov for Kerry and Co to get their act together on things like this but I ain't holding my breath.
Recent reports say that Bush told Cheney that once he told Leahy to go fuck himself he should stick with it, don't back down. It is for that reason that Bush will likely win re-election this year. Only when the dems get a spine will the deserve to win back the white house...
You think that because Bush supposedly said this to Cheney, it proves he has a backbone? Is this the way you want the prez and vice-prez to behave, like a couple of thugs?
Sorry, buddy. No thanks. Take your macho attitude and play another video game. Those two have no business being in their postions of power. They're just awful.
If the man had any sack, or any confidence in the rightness of his ideas, he'd walk into the NAACP's home turf, and be the brave truth teller, Daniel in the Lions' Den (look it up, heathens 
).
It's too bad Bush has neither.
Yes, Race is a social construct (see the webpage for the PBS documentary Race: The Power of an Illusion, but that doesn't mean that is not important or "real."
Bush is the first President since Warren G. Harding not to appear before the NAACP!
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