I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
dumb fucking post
she;s the best thing that's happened since slice bread
I think Scottie is a secret detainee.
Bush . . . took issue with Kerry's pronouncement this week that he and running mate John Edwards were proud of the fact that they opposed in the Senate the $87 billion aid package for Afghanistan and Iraq. Kerry said they had done so because "we knew the policy had to be changed."
"He's entitled to his view," Bush said. "But members of Congress should not vote to send troops into battle and then vote against funding them, and then brag about it."
Kerry's campaign responded that Kerry had served in the Vietnam War and questions linger about Bush's wartime service in the Texas Air National Guard.
There you have it: Kerry spent four months in Vietnam, so why should he care about the soldiers whose lives are on the line now? You just can't make this stuff up.
when did they let her back in ... 6 months ago?
and repthug, get a life. you're trolling and looking like an idiot. but i guess that your name already says that
Not only is the Bush Administration hiding Detainees from the United Nations.
They are hiding Scotty's and most of the White House press corps' NADS in a secret location.
Helen, never having had this problem can ask hard kweschen.
There you have it: Kerry spent four months in Vietnam, so why should he care about the soldiers whose lives are on the line now? You just can't make this stuff up.
You can't make this stuff up, sweetheart. And you can't spin it to look good for the Bush boy. The $87 billion didn't go the the troops.
The Bush boy is a liar and a simp. As are you, woo woo.
Getting back to the topic at hand, I love that Helen Thomas kept harping on the important question. Remember when we were discussing this in one of Holden's previous obsessions, and several people suggested that someone should just say, "Do we have secret detainees or not?" Well, Helen Thomas asked that question and (to the surprise of no one who's been paying attention to this administration) Scottie refused to answer. I guess to the Bush administration, that is the answer.
Tell me, when, where and how can we give Helen Thomas the kudos she deserves? She's just that amazing.
If only the rest of them had as much spunk and tenacity.
Thank the heavens for Helen Thomas for calling attention yet again to the global gulag being established by this administration. It is an atrocity.
i think scotty is slowly devolving into someone that can fill aris shoes
Sorry for goosing the troll.
You know, I can't remember a time when McClellan ever answered a question. The whole thing is mind boggling.
The little pimp didn't even hint at answering her question, which means:
the government does have secret detainees.
Answer the fucking question, Scotty! "Yes we do. And we are torturing the living daylights out of them because we are above internation law, laws of decency and the Geneva Conventions are 'quaint'"
to repthug...to get people off this $87 billion-kerry-flip-flopped thing. It's obvious you or anyone else who harps on it hasn't ever worked in a legislative environment before - either that, or you don't care to enlighten folks about it to unfairly serve your cause. I bet you don't even understand why he had the opportunity to vote on it twice. One version of the bill was to BORROW the money, while the other was to raise taxes to pay for it. Kerry voted for one, and not the other. So there. He didn't flip-flop. He voted on two seperate bills that had the same effect on Iraq, but different effects on how to fund it.
I want to know why, with all the real mean in that room, and the real women who are members of the White House Press Whore...i mean Corp. why does a 70 year old woman who is almost deaf the only one with some fucking balls? riddle me that one.
men, real men...
I think my gall bladder is broken.
I truly admire Helen Thomas simply because most people I know would not be so demanding of getting an answer. How she can deal with McClellan pulling this crap day in and day out, I'll never know, but damn she is amazing in her push to get an answer (even if it is a non-answer).
Heck maybe the underlying reason that many reporters do not ask hard kweschens at the gaggle is that they know that Bushco will never answer the question (would love to see a load of reporters all harp continually on the same question until McClellan's head explodes). McClellan definitely answers the question he wants to hear, which reminds me of the movie "The Fog of War" where McNamara says he always answered the question he wanted to answer and not the question that was asked.
The little pimp didn't even hint at answering her question, which means:
the government does have secret detainees.
Billy B
DING!DING!DING!DING!DING!DING!
Johnny, what do we have for the winner?
So, can I do this the next time a cop pulls me over and I have a joint in the car?
Cop: Do you have any drugs?
Me: I stay in close and regular contact with the police and the DEA in order to monitor the situaion...
Tell me, when, where and how can we give Helen Thomas the kudos she deserves? She's just that amazing.
We should send her flowers... from that Organic florist posted last night!
Is Ari Fleischer in a secret location or is he laughing his ass off on a Caribbean island somewhere, so happy he doesn't have to deal with any of this utter, utter crap?
The Repukes must be taken down
And stripped of their shirts of brown.
They're a threat to the nation,
A Satanic creation,
Who infest each city and town.
To borrow a line from Michael Moore: "I'll take that as a 'yes.'"
Kudos for Helen to be the ONLY one to ask about this issue, when we know fer shur that they have
1) a HVT to trot out from Pakistan in around 9 days
2) a still unidentified guy who was _admittedly_ hidden from the Red Cross and apparently lost
3)Human Rights Watch says they know of 13 persons who are being held by the CIA in secret.
Now, if just a couple of reporters would spend _half_ the time on the identity of the secret detainees that they spent picking apart Fahrenheit 911, we might have a democracy.
Too bad the only place people will see how dodgy these shits are is The Daily Show.
When CNN does segments on the secret detainees they should say "We got this answer from the White House" and play the video of McClellan being hella sketch. They should call McClellan that too, "Hella sketch"
to repthug...to get people off this $87 billion-kerry-flip-flopped thing. It's obvious you or anyone else who harps on it hasn't ever worked in a legislative environment before - either that, or you don't care to enlighten folks about it to unfairly serve your cause. I bet you don't even understand why he had the opportunity to vote on it twice. One version of the bill was to BORROW the money, while the other was to raise taxes to pay for it. Kerry voted for one, and not the other. So there. He didn't flip-flop. He voted on two seperate bills that had the same effect on Iraq, but different effects on how to fund it.
Right on. Also, Bush WH was also against the $87B. They threatened to veto if the $87B was tied to tax cut
repeal or if the $87B was split into $67B military and $20B for Iraq reconstruction. So Bush himself was a flip-flopper on these funds.
I have Helen's email address at home - grr. It's something like hthomas@hearstdc.com, but don't quote me on that.
Anyhow, she loves to get email, and is very gracious in answering. Everyone likes fan letters.
I'll go googling to see if I can find it.
I wish the press would boycott these press conferences with Scott McClellan, or better yet, have a pre-arranged conference and only Helen showed up. How long do you think he would last against her questioning?
I have written her at Hearst thanking her for her work.
If they are holding secret detainees and if they told that old bag of snot Helen Thomas then they wouldn't be "secret" anymore, now would they?
I'd hate to be so deparate as to have to end up praising Helen Thomas. I wonder if Slick Willie ever got her alone in the oval office? What a picture.
I know I always say the same thing, but she's a national treasure.
BTW, Ambassador Wilson strikes back MOST righteously today.
I managed to comment in on it in the most dignified way possible -- GOP Sex and Impotency Jokes
Putting that post-graduate degree to work.
It is hthomas@hearstdc.com, and I sent her a fan letter once, and she replied personally.
I'd love to send Helen an e-mail kiss if you get the address, Nina
Thanks, Tomato!
OT(if there is one):
I hope I'm not the only one that suffered through rose last night.
Big time repub peter peterson of blackstone group lambasted bush
Rose: would you hire bush as CEO of one of your companies
Peterson: No
Rose: (cringe)
More peterson:
http://finance.lycos.com/qc/news...y.aspx?
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PRNEWS:100&story=200407041518_PRN__NYSU011
I'd hate to be so deparate as to have to end up praising Helen Thomas.
Uhhhhhh, so you would like to praise whom? The Bush Boy? Ari the pin head? Scotty the squatty?
Please explain.
This regime is as illegal a usurper as this nation or any nation has ever seen. It is , therefore, no shame to live in civil disobedience. Have any of you commited an act of freedom today? If not, how will you answer your children when the 45% cretinous population of this country helps relect this juggernaut?
does anybody know contact info/where to send helen flowers?
she is a national treasure.
I'd hate to be so --
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CountryTom, I did 50 in a 35. Also, I tailgated someone with a Bush sticker.
I flipped off a couple in a Hummer.
And I haven't fed any trolls in 29 hours.
Hows that?
Alright that is great! Tommorrow perhaps you could illegally park just for a while or earn some un reported income. Think about home brewing some alcohol. These are the types of things that free men's minds. They hurt a lot less than lying down in front of tanks.
does anybody know contact info/where to send helen flowers?
bkny
Ummm . . . she's a member of the White House Press Corps.
Helen Thomas, Hearst Newspapers
Press Room, West Wing
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue
Washington, DC, 20003
Hearst's offices in DC:
Hearst News Service
1850 K Street, NW
Washington, DC 20006
I'd hate to be so deparate as to have to end up praising Helen Thomas.
Somebody loves Les Kingsolver in a most closeted fashion I think.
*works way quickly through today's threads*
Let me guess, after catching him out last night pretending to be Thug/Attila, my lovely deranged friend is now claiming to be "RepThug"? It's genius on the level of someone posting as Ratty on LGF and then someone else coming along and claiming to first be Ratty, and then saying "Ok, I'll be DemoRatty" then! Genius, I tell you!
And oooh... yet more brand new trolling names with fake email addresses! Yes 'Mustafa', we really believe that in 2004 the address of Mustafa@hotmail.com was available. At least it's not some actual poor innocent person's email address you've stolen this time... Now lecture us all on morality, Mr Troll, as if you guys are even slightly credible.
But on topic... How can Scottie claim that the US Government is working with the International Red Cross, when the IRC's original complaint is that by holding secret detainees away from independent scrutiny, the US Government is violating the very raison d'etre of the IRC? How can anyone be so ignorant to swallow this argument? Or do they just not care what argument they make, as long as they can still keep insisting that they are right? I think we all know the answer to that one...
Helen Thomas does her part by keeping her buldog mouth going at the press conferences. Never let thses bastards have a spare minute. Yes they have secret detainees. Somewhere in the Pacific if I read my traffic right.
Wonder why Scottie doesn't just out and out lie or pretend he is not in the loop for this topic - telling her to go ask Rumsfeld?
I think it's a political tenet etched in stone "Don't lie - just weasel if asked about something you'd rather not share". Evidently the electorate gets very angry when lied to.
A story that might have missed the radar in the US: the British have basically given the go-ahead to another part of the American Gulag.
You might have heard about Diego Garcia. You might have heard about how the British kicked the 4,500 islanders off Diego Garcia to set up a military base there on behalf of the US. You might not have heard about how the islanders ended up on Mauritius, and many of them (rather like Native Americans) have been plagued by unemployment and substance abuse problems. After all, they're refugees.
You might have heard that the Diego Garcia islanders won a court case granting them the right of return. You probably hadn't heard that the British government secretly declared the court's ruling null and void by an 'order in council' -- an invocation of royal prerogative -- which unilaterally replaced the constitution of the island with one saying that 'no person has the right of abode in the territory or has unrestricted access to any part of it'.
And you certainly haven't heard that much about 'Camp Justice', the new prison facility built for hundreds of detainees on Diego Garcia, outside of any legal oversight.
It's the British colonial Gitmo. It's where the US will dump its detainees now that the Supreme Court has ruled on Camp Delta, because the lease arrangement doesn't allow for the Gitmo precedents to be invoked with regard to US jurisdiction.
thank you, jac!
So, we have secret detainees. Of course, we can't admit it because they've all been sex-tortured, so we just have to wait until Helen Thomas dies and then the country will forget. Then we can ghost the hostages I mean detainees.
All because we let some assholes with weapons onto some planes. Really, that's it, isn't it?
Completely preventable. And in ways that do not trash our basic values in irreversable ways. But no.
They totally won.
I can't wait for the day Helen Thomas gets completely fed up, goes up to the podium and stomps on Scottie's toes until he finally directly answers one of her damn questions.
On another matter re discourse upthread, I also can't wait for the bumperstickers:
THUGS FOR BUSH-CHENEY
Im not kidding, The Mighty Atrios will return soon and you kids are gonna get in trouble for feeding the trolls. I'm just saying, I am going to be in my room.
Im not kidding, The Mighty Atrios will return soon and you kids are gonna get in trouble for feeding the trolls.
real mighty. so mighty he's afraid to put his name on his blog. what a cowering ratfuck.
An example of the way this administration subverts and perverts the legitimate discourse a Democracy relies on. Vindication of Orwell.
Notice that RepThug never has any actual facts to counter any of these gross charges of criminality by the Bushies. He does what his evil lord and master does - attacks the dems with half-truths and innuendo.
If Bush actually had an adequate record to run on, he wouldn't have to spend ALL his time attacking Kerry/Edwards. Do you know that the Bush campaign has actually set a record for negative ads? They've got nothing else. Disqusting.
The country needs a big dose of optimism. That's why Bush is going to be soundly defeated in November. People are sick of the lies, fear, war, and pessimism.
Stop feeding him. He's a stupid, blinded fool. Worthless.
The country needs a big dose of optimism. That's why Bush is going to be soundly defeated in November. People are sick of the lies, fear, war, and pessimism.
It's worked perfectly, this letting them sit in their own shite -- and theres more shite to come out. Kids held as prisoners. Secret prisoners. It's got their name all over it -- brought to you by the good people at BushCo.
"[they're] so gone." -- Nancy Pelosi
Kerry in a landslide and a Democratic congress.
anon nc...
well they certainly picked a beautiful
island to nab. looks like a pretty sweet deal to stationed there.thought it was strange that they talk about the environment and use organic in a whole new way.if thats the navy how can i join!
'real mighty. so mighty he's afraid to put his name on his blog. what a cowering ratfuck.'
Unlike you, who is so Mighty he has to steal other peoples names, email addresses and even the identities of other trolls. And runs from anyone who challenges him directly, natch. Now go ahead and come out with another feeble insult instead of being a man and addressing the point, you whining little puke.
I can't wait for the day Helen Thomas gets completely fed up, goes up to the podium and stomps on Scottie's toes until he finally directly answers one of her damn questions.
yoyoyoyoyo | Email | Homepage | 07.16.04 - 9:17 am
[snort] [chuckle] [guffaw]
Sent my thank-you letter off to Helen this morning.
From Moore's F911:
Asks Secret Service guy: "Do you get alot problems with the Saudi's?"
"No Comment."
"I'll take that as a yes." and laughs in his face.
You can say alot about Moore but it takes balls to laugh in the face of a SS guy.
When will the media do the obvious when BushCo dodges and weaves:
"I'll take that as a yes."
or at least publish: "Refused to answer" and let readers decide.
God, the truth is right in front of you, staring at you.
a favorite helen moment for me was in the midst of all the french-bashing, she turned up at the white house press briefings wearing a beret. i believe shortly thereafter, ari had her banished to the back row.
Tell me, when, where and how can we give Helen Thomas the kudos she deserves? She's just that amazing.
Last I checked, her email is:
helent@hearstdc.com
I sent her a note some months ago, thanking her for a particularly pointed series of questions, and her response was amusing.
A national treasure. 
What I love about Scottie is the way he dodges a question, then insists that it's been asked and answered. And only Helen ever calls him on it. What the hell are we going to do if anything happens to her??
Too bad Helen is in her welldeserved latter years.
If only she and John Stewart could have children together we would then have perfected the genetically ultimate media reporter: stick them with the facts, relentless, unstopple, and then make fun of them.
Terminators.
Where I come from if a person did this then it wouldbe construed as an admission of 'yes'.
So Helen should just stop playing games and print as such.
MYOB'
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RepThug: Blow me.
shit, even scottie doesn't want helen there.
KJHGFDXSDFGHJKL effing assmunches. THEY HAVE TO GO. When, when, when will the real America please stand up?
What I'm looking for:
Helen: Will you deny that the U.S. has secret detainees, yes or no?
Scotti: Blah, blah, Red Cross, blah...
Headline: White House Refuses to Deny Secret Prisoners
Helen. Thomas. Rules.
Period.
And she makes the trolls go all apeshit. Bonus.
Scottie is starting to remind me Ben Stiller in "Dodgeball".
Not only was Kerry opposed to borrowing another 87 billion on top of an already burgeoning deficit, alert readers will also remember the Repubs had stripped auditing and oversight provisions out of the bill in conference committee. Thus we, the taxpayers, were essentially writing an 87 billion dollar check with no accounting to make sure the money was spent responsibly. Isn't it odd that Repubs, who are always quick to proclaim their distrust of government, trust the government to spend 87 billion with virtually no accountability? Buth that's OK, we know Halliburton would never gouge us, don't we?
God, I love the smell of roasted troll in the morning.
In Scottie-speak that's 'yes'.
It is hthomas@hearstdc.com, and I sent her a fan letter once, and she replied personally.
Or is it helent@hearstdc.com?
Special thanks to Nina, Tomato, Jac and Seraphiel for getting this info. Must go find some flowers.
Holden, mate, you've got to get yer own blog now:
Froomkin
"Non-Answer Watch
The other day, in my Live Online, readers pelted me with their favorite McClellan non-answers.
Blogger Holden, guest-blogging on Eschaton, calls attention to this one, from Helen Thomas, at yesterday's briefing."
Rock the Cheney on, dude.
I figured a CEO ought to be responsible for the employees in his organization, so I wrote the following letter:
To the President:
As you are so-to-speak the CEO of the USA and the boss at the White House,
I have decided to e-mail you concerning the job performance of one of your
employees, Mr. Scott McClellan.
In his capacity as Press Secretary, Mr. McClellan's job is to answer press
members questions to the best of his ability and also to be a public face
of the White-House and hence reflect the values espoused by our currentadministration.
Recently, there has been a question repeatedly raised by that much
esteemed senior member of the White House Press Corps, Ms. Helen Thomas,
regarding the possibility of secret detainees of which the Red Cross has
not been properly informed.
Mr. McClellan has dodged this question repeatedly while acting as if he
has answered it when he has not (by the way - what is the answer - are
there any secret detainees who could be possibly "subjected to the same
treatment as in Baghdad prisons"? - the quotation is directly from a
question by Ms. Thomas). By not responding adequately to the question answered, Mr. McClellan has failed to do his job of keeping the people
informed of the activities of the executive branch. By acting as if he
has answered a question which he has not, he insults the intelligence of
Ms. Thomas and the American people.
Is not respect for elders a fundamental value of America? Is not respect
for the intelligence of the American people and right for us to know about
the activities of our government also a fundamental value of America?
If you and your party claim to support the values of America, lest you be hypocrites, you ought to take the lead in cleaning your own house of those
who do not support American values. I hope I can rest assured that Mr.
McClellan will at least receive some form of disciplinary action or
censure until such time as he respects his elders and the intelligence and
rights of the American people. At the very least, you, as his boss, ought
to make sure he does his job and adequately answers the questions the
press puts before him.
Sincerely,
David Snyder
Well - copied my name from my letter - I guess you now know my secret identity 
As if you couldn't have figured it out already from stuff I've said (if you really had too much time on your hands in the first place that you would do such a thing).
Gotta feed those trolls:
RepThug, 07.16.04 - 7:48 am,
Does the name Harry S Truman mean anything to you?
Does the concept of not giving someone a blank check mean anything to you?
Let me guess, you think Harry S Truman was not supporting the soldiers because he didn't want the government to spend money to enrich the pockets of war profiteers.
From the Froomkin piece:
Karl Rove was in Irvine, in the heart of conservative Orange County, Calif.
As a former resident of Irvine (well, I guess I was never official a "resident" as I kept my vote registration where I grew up - I just lived on campus there), I can say that Irvine is, in many ways, most emphetically not the heart of conservative Orange County.
While Irvine has many parts that are as bland and cookie cutter suburbia as they come and it, no doubt, has way more than its fair share of conservatives ... indeed, there is an aspect of Irvine that is the "soul" of suburban OC conservativism, it is not the "heart" ... before it was a suburb, Irvine was a hippy town in its northern reaches and a University town in its south-western edge (indeed, UCI has great faculty housing because, according to the older professors, at the time Jews were not allowed to live in Newport Beach - well, I know there were a few Jews there as I have relatives that lived in Newport Beach at the time ... but I don't think anyone realized my blond-haired/blue-eyed relations were Jewish). While it isn't the most liberal place over all (and it has Rethug Congresscritters), it has long had a Democratic mayor and some very nice pockets of liberalism and progressivism.
The "soul" of OC conservativism may very well be lodged in the bland suburban tracts of Irvine, but Irvine (and many other places in South County) are far from the heart of OC conservativism.
So where *is* the heart of OC conservatism, then? Inside Bob Dornan's asshole?
Holden, congratulations!!!
So how does it feel to be mentioned in WaPo? It is at least somewhat reassuring to know that there are "real" journalists who read Eschaton. BTW, do you know (or does anyone else know), does the Froomkin column show up in the print edition as well?
I [heart] Dan Froomkin. Hey Dan, if you're listening, keep up the great work!
He doesn't have anything to add because he's already a fucking liar, and anything he said would be a fucking lie. Fuck Scotty. Fuck C-plus Agustus.
Does anybody think that Scott could pass a Turing test (for evaluating artificial intelligence)? I suspect a Lisa program (a primitive artificial psychologist program from the 80s) do just as good a job...
Helen (typing into computer console): Will you deny that the U.S. has secret detainees, yes or no?
Scott-Lisa (replying via teletype): Secret detainees, Helen? Did you ever have any secrets as a child? Would you like to talk about them?
Kathleen Hall Jamieson writes that rhetoric scholar Karl Wallace defined the 'four moralities of communication': the obligation to search and inquire; the obligation to be accurate, fair, and just in the use of argument; the willingness to submit private motivations to public scrutiny; and the willingness to tolerate dissent.
Obviously Mr. McClellan does not believe in moral communication, and like so many others in public discourse--including our friends at Fox, CNN, MSNBC, and on radio--has cheapened and debased communication in public affairs to the point it has become a meaningless charade that fools no one of even marginal intelligence or discrimination.
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