I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
But will Dick Cheney schedule his heart attack earlier?
He'll have his heart attack in two weeks, being shocked at Osama being captured.
why does bush hate america? afterall, he's playing politics with the biggest anti-terrorism organization in our country, and surely not having a head to the organization will set back progress in anti-terror operations. and for what? so that the white house doesn't have to take the political hit for going through senate confirmations? again, why does bush hate america?
No-he's waiting so that his new CIA Director will not have the tarnish of the terrorist attack he allows to happen(in October) on his record.
Sounds like more procrastination by a lazy, overindulged spoiled brat who is used to having everything his way, and doing nothing to work for what he has.
MYOB'
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Evangelical vigilantes are out of the mainstream.
Kerry/Edwards - Back From the Brink
Bush/Cheney - One Outrage After Another
Is there any reason for Kerry/Edwards/all reasonable people not to just start asking everyday "when are you going to catch OsamaBL? Huh? We sure wish we'd catch him NOW, the sooner the better." Then, if the Bushites did pull an October surprise, wouldn't it neutralize the effect if everyone could say, "Yippee! Took ya long enough, though."
the terrorist attack he allows to happen(in October)
Haven't you been following -- it's November 1st.
Can't be having those elections happening on time, can we?
Well, the week went pretty much as I predicted seven days ago:
BUSH LIED!! Not.
BLAIR LIED!!! Not.
But it turns out JOE WILSON LIED! PEOPLE DIED. Of embarrassment mostly. At least I'm assuming that's why the New York Times, MSNBC's Chris Matthews, PBS drone Bill Moyers and all the other media bigwigs Joseph C. Wilson IV suckered have fallen silent on the subject of the white knight of integrity they've previously given the hold-the-front-page treatment, too. . . .
But before he gets lowered in his yellowcake overcoat into the Niger River, let's pause to consider: What do Joe Wilson's lies mean? And what does it say about the Democrats and the media that so many high-ranking figures took him at his word?
But, of course, failing to name a new DCI to take the reins of the agency and show bold leadership in fighting terra'ists in no way dampens Bush's commitment to fighting terra'ists, right?
I mean, because despite the State Department's revised report on terra'ism, and the fact that the administration is jabbering about potential terra'ist attacks to disrupt the election, we are safer, aren't we?
Sigh. I wish I were a Republican so I could have no knowledge of either U.S. history or world politics and not even have to bother with making logical, coherent arguments, and yet still think myself superior to everyone else.
T-Shirt/Banner:
Cheney Bush
"LA LA LA LA LA WILSON'S A LIAR EVEN THOUGH BUSH ADMITTED WILSON WAS TELLING THE TRUTH LA LA LA LA LA LA ..."
With Polls Flat, Kerry Drops Edwards
(2004-07-17) -- Democrat presidential hopeful John Forbes Kerry today announced he had dropped John Edwards from the ticket, and hinted he would name Missouri Congressman Dick Gephardt as his running mate before the Democrat convention in Boston.
"I actually picked Dick Gephardt, before I decided against him," said Mr. Kerry. "So this is not a change in my beliefs or strategy because my polling numbers are flat. This is who I have alway been. I'm sticking to my guns with same sort of steely commitment my comrades-in-arms admired during my time in Vietnam."
The announcement comes about two weeks after Mr. Kerry named Mr. Edwards as his vice presidential candidate in order to boost his stagnant polling numbers. Yet even with a barrage of media coverage, paid advertising and campaign events, a New York Times/CBS poll showed no significant increase in support for the Democrat ticket, despite a torrent of negative news about the Bush administration.
"I see this decision like I see my support for the Iraq war," said Mr. Kerry, "I support John Edwards as vice president, but I don't like the way he's trying to become vice president, so I'm withdrawing the funding that would allow him to campaign."
by Scott Ott
Every time a troll's not fed,
that troll then wets his bed.
Too bad Joe Wilson did not lie, MBF, and the pathetic sack of shit fratboy coward and his poodle did.
Tribble-I'm really getting tired of your dribble. Go back to the Corner and play with the other children. ElectionThief, your being modest, I like the name Tribble-Dribble much better.
Well, bush does have a habbit of kicking bad news down the road till after the election, so why shouldn't the kids.
Thank you for the gentle reminder, Clarence. Let's all endeavor to ignore the morons.
"I'm just not political," Jenna said. "I have opinions, but there's nothing about the process that has ever interested me."
Yep, just like her Dear ol Dad.
Wilson now makes no attempt here to claim that his wife didn't tout him for the job. That is quite telling. . . .
Indeed, Wilson freelanced that Bush was a liar about the Yellowcake story when he clearly didn't have all of the facts. That much is still obviously true. Whether or not Wilson's report bolstered the case that Iraq sought Uranium from Niger or not is an important question insofar as it would help demonstrate the degree of Wilson's dishonesty, but not the fact that he has been deeply dishonest.
I'm lonely.
"And of course, the Bushes will be moving back to Crawford - after November 2."
I predict that Bush's "ranch" in Crawford will be on the market within a week of Bush leaving office on January 20. It is just a prop, part of his attempt to look like Reagan. No one in their right mind _vacations_ in Crawford, Tx, in _August_!
theif,
That's because we're ignoring you.
Joe Says It Ain't So
Joe Wilson rises to his own defense in an open letter to the Chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence ("SSCI").
In a separate section of the SSCI report (Additional Views, starting on p. 441), the Chairman had presented certain proposed conclusions to which the Committee could not unanimously agree. Apparently the Chairman believed that (1) "former Ambassador Joseph Wilson's public statements were not based on knowledge he actually possessed", and (2) "it was the former ambassador's wife who recommended
him for his trip to Niger."
To summarize the Ambassador's defense:
- the Chairman shouldn't call a memo from Wilson's wife singing his praises a "recommendation". It's a.... well, Wilson doesn't say. But I will note on his behalf that her memo was written just before Valentine's Day, so maybe it was a draft of something she meant for him alone.
- the Chairman should go back to the Democrats who refused to vote these conclusions out and remind them to include the exculpatory evidence in their Additional Views, or the main report, or somewhere. Evidently the presumably sympathetic Dems forgot to do this, but Wilson is sure there is a better story somewhere;
- we should believe some anonymous leaks in the press that tell a different story about his wife, because the press has been totally reliable on this story;
- in evaluating his public credibility we should focus exclusively on the words that come out of his mouth - we should ignore how others report on what he says, and ignore what he writes in his book. And anyway, where is their sense of artistry? He is quoted in the Senate report as explaining that for certain passages of the book, he used "a little literary flair".
The Ambassador does not address the matter of his anonymous credibility - the "misleading" information he leaked to the WaPo.
OT:
Columbus - Diebold Inc., the embattled Ohio-based voting-machine maker, was blocked Friday from putting its touch-screen machines in Ohio counties in November.
Link.
"Joe Wilson's Lies" - boy, the voting public is going to be bowled over by that tempest in a footnote. Aside from the fact that if these idiots really gave a shit they'd know by now that it's crap, their desperation is truly stunning.
And the main impact of the reports on Iraq intelligence coming out isn't so much that they obviously were formulated to give maximum political cover to Bush and Blair, but that they make them look shallow, incompetent and surrounded by fools. Frankly,leaving facts or nuance aside, the public would rather have a skilled liar in office than an easily-manipulated moron and his glib enabler. That doesn't bode well for the George and Tony show...
electionthief,
If Wilson was lying, then why did somebody in the White House blow his wife's cover? Why not just say, "He's lying, here's the evidence"?
BTW, you wouldn't happen to be related to the Warthog on the other thread, would you?
Lots of facts there, thief.
Now shuddup.
The Washing Times link was hilarious! So the Bush girls like to drink soy lattes at Starbucks, do they? HAAAhhhhhhaaaaaHAAAA! FOFLMAO! And could someone tell me(when the laugh riot ends)how does little shrub plan to "work" for AIDS cause? Hint: Tell daddy to give the millions to Africa, already!
Hey don't leave out the other navel
she is going to teach black and brown children in Harlem to read.
She ought to start with her Dad
I shall not tarry,
I shall not linger.
Watch out anus!
Here comes my finger!
Yossarian: YES!! One more down, several to go...
Thank all the gods there are for Common Cause, TrueMajority, et al.
Good one, Katherine.
BTW, Good ol' bush is FLIP-FLOPPING about naming a new DCI. I am shocked, I tell you. Shocked!
You can tell how frightened the trolls are of something by the amount of effort they expend to attack it.
Clearly, Joe Wilson, an honest and credible man, scares the shit out of them.
I would say Edwards does also, judging from the ferocity of the attacks I've seen on him.
And Clarke would probably be third.
It's funny to watch. They're probably having nightmares.
Can we just go ahead and call Ohio for Kerry now?
Ah, here's the real link.
...it turns out JOE WILSON --
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when do the pardons start? jan. 15, 2005?
THIN GRUEL CONTINUED [Jonah Goldberg ]
Joe Wilson responds to the Washington Post today. On the question of whether or not his wife pushed him for the job, he writes:
The decision to send me to Niger was not made, and could not be made, by Valerie. At the conclusion of a meeting that she did not attend, I was asked by CIA officials whether I would be willing to travel to Niger. While a CIA reports officer and a State Department analyst, both cited in the report, speculate about what happened, neither of them was in the chain of command that made the decision to send me. Reams of documents were given over to the Senate committee, but the only quotation attributed to my wife on this subject was the anodyne "my husband has good relations with both the PM (Prime Minister) and the former Minister of Mines (not to mention lots of French contacts), both of whom could possibly shed light on this sort of activity." In fact, with 2-year-old twins at home, Valerie did not relish my absence for a two-week period. But she acquiesced because, in the zeal to be responsive to the legitimate concerns raised by the vice president, officials of her agency turned to a known functionary who had previously checked out uranium-related questions for them. [Italics mine]
This is misdirection. As best I recall, the charge was never that Wilson's wife made the "decision" to send him to Niger. It was that she promoted him for the job which, until recently, he categorically denied (or he made it sound like he was categorically denying it). I'm sure Wilson's telling the truth here. But so what? He can also deny that his wife was the the second gunman on the grassy knoll, and that would be just as relevant. Wilson now makes no attempt here to claim that his wife didn't tout him for the job. That is quite telling.
Wilson continues:
But that is not the only inaccurate assertion or conclusion in the Senate report uncritically parroted in the article. Other inaccuracies and distortions include the suggestion that my findings "bolstered" the case that Niger was engaged in illegal sales of uranium to Iraq. In fact, the Senate report is clear that the intelligence community attempted to keep the claim out of presidential documents because of the weakness of the evidence.
More misdirection. Wilson claimed that he had debunked the Iraq-seeking-Yellocake story. This was the premise for the "Bush-lied" hysteria which ensued. Now he's arguing that his report merely didn't "bolster" the case that Iraq sought uranium. I think he's on thin ground here too. But saying "I didn't bolster the case" is a far cry from saying "I debunked it." It's now pretty clear, in the wake of the British and Senate reports, that the uranium question was an open one. Wilson claimed, or gave the impression, that it was a closed one. Indeed, Wilson freelanced that Bush was a liar about the Yellowcake story when he clearly didn't have all of the facts. That much is s
I'm just going to keep posting the same tired bullshit until someone answers me! It's about me! That guy lied! He's a liar!
(hey-he didn't really lie)
(shut up!)
(seriously, he didn't)
(shut up, he did, he must have, cause if he didn't then that would mean my president lied. and my president is the best president in the history of presidents, and he wouldn't do that. he cares too much about his people. he is an honest and loving and good president. he's a fabulous president)
(um, er-well, they're talking about naming a new cia director)
(so, they still haven't answered me, and i've been trying to get their attention since last night with this important imformation!)
(Dude, you're my best troll ever!)
No Diebold in Ohio?
That splattering sound you just heard is Karl Rove shitting in his Sansabelt disco trousers.
Go home and cry, Republican bitches!
Heh.
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I used to post at LGF until they threw me out for being too shrill.
Ahh, Slim, I'm laughhing so hard I can barly type. That was GOOD!
So many funny, funny posts. Keep it up.
They move back to Crawford & Kennebunkport Jan 20.
They will receive their eviction notice Nov. 2.
Over Christmas they will steal shit and make an even worse mess, while still not paying the rent.
Let's see: California dumped Diebold, and now some counties in Ohio have, too, and for the same reason: security concerns that haven't been met. "User friendly" indeed!
Boston Labor Dispute Awaits The Democratic Convention
By Jonathan Finer and Jeffrey H. Birnbaum
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, July 17, 2004; Page A01
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how long will it take kerry to cut the floor out from under these guys? probably has little use for union labor at any of his 5 mansions. after all, mexicans cut grass cheap.
october surprise? i have never trusted the relationship between putin and bush. putting the political implications of this 'story' aside, it just seems like one more unholy alliance. and the devil always collects his dues.
"Bush is not the answer."
Okay, now explain to me why, when they've known for a month that Tenet was resigning this month, and when they're broadcasting (even in the Washington Post story linked above) that the terrorists plan another attack in connection with this election, they don't have the balls to appoint someone qualified to run the CIA during an election season? Why are they still looking around? Why hasn't Bush been on this from the moment Tenet told him that Tenet was resigning?
Maybe he's been too busy campaigning? I mean, his re-election is much more important than pesky little details of governing the country, right?
Animals are always the most dangerous when they are cornered. The Bush crime family are desperate, and they are not going to go out like mature adults who can accept the will of the voters in a free and democratic society.
I have a feeling it's going to get really, really, really ugly.
"Maybe he's been too busy campaigning? I mean, his re-election is much more important than pesky little details of governing the country, right?"
Nora
Actually, the more time Bush spends away from Washington, the better.
Folks, I got a bad feeling about all this.
Actually, the Mexican guy who cuts my grass charges the going rate; word of mouth has expanded his business to cover my whole street because he's both reasonable and reliable. Trolls on the other hand, cost a lot less, but they're unreliable, tend to leave whole sections undone, and only turn up when they feel like it.
Isn't it funny how all the brownshirts say the same thing at the same time (from an RNC Team Leader email):
As last week's Senate Intelligence Committee report and this week's British government inquiry into their intelligence have shown, President Bush was correct when, in his State of the Union address, he said, "The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."
For more than a year, former Ambassador Joe Wilson led Democrats to make allegations against the President--that he lied about African uranium--that have now been proven false. Senator Kerry embraced
and repeated these false charges.
Every television network and all major newspapers played up the accusations, and yet you may not have heard about this recent development because only NBC and The Washington Post have reported the latest revelation: It is Joe Wilson who lied.
"All of this matters," the Wall Street Journal noted yesterday, "because Mr. Wilson's disinformation became the vanguard of a year-long assault on Mr. Bush's credibility. The political goal was to portray the President as a 'liar,' regardless of the facts. Now that we know those facts, Americans can decide who the real liars are."
The Democratic Party for the past year has tried to discredit the President for steps he took to protect our country and now it is clear the President was right all along. The Democrats' plan to play politics
with National Security has backfired...
Mein Fuhrer - I can VALK!
I shall not tarry,
I shall not linger.
Watch out anus!
Here comes my finger!
THIN GRUEL CONTINUED [Jonah Goldberg
Electionchief are you and Jonah keeping a little secret from us? I bet thats Jonah's finger you talk about so lovingly!
Animals are always the most dangerous when they are cornered. The Bush crime family are desperate, and they are not going to go out like mature adults who can accept the will of the voters in a free and democratic society.
Stinky
this from the party that, after being beaten in a close election, used the judicial system in an attempt to steal the election thus dragging the country through one of its ugliest and most unnecessary episodes. thank god we had the supreme court to stop these criminals.
Someone please explain to me why the Republicans' heads don't explode. I really don't get it. How can they actually talk about "The Democrats' plan to play politics with National Security"? I know that projection's their biggest psychological ploy, but surely this is going beyond normal.
Electionchief are you and Jonah keeping a little secret from us? I bet thats Jonah's finger you talk about so lovingly!
Patti
Patti, was that a roach that just crawled out of your twat?
Mein Fuhrer - I can VALK!
dave, 
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Naming a new, for real DCI now means confirmation hearings this summer, with the possibility that Dems would use the opening to debate this whole "CIA cheneyed the intel before the war" meme. They might even try to bring out the real story, namely that Cheney cheneyed the CIA in order to get the intel the admin wanted.
Also, the Rethugs want to get out of Dodge and campaign for reelection as soon as possible, those of them up for reelection. If the Dems wanted payback, they could try to prolong the hearings as much as possible.
This from --
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Oh, and the other thing I like from the Republican memo is the idea that it was Joe Wilson's allegations that were at the heart of the attack on Bush's credibility. We never would have noticed that there were no weapons of mass destruction found in Iraq, despite claims before the war that we knew right where they were. And we never would have imagined that Hussein and bin Laden weren't working closely together if it hadn't been for Joe Wilson. And Richard Clarke wouldn't have told the nation that the war in Iraq was a distraction from the war against Al Qaeda if it hadn't been for Joe Wilson's statements. And we never would have figured out that the Iraqis weren't welcoming us with candy and flowers if Wilson hadn't brought up that Niger business.
How damn stupid do they think we are? I'm sure Joe Wilson would be glad to hear that he'd had such a major impact, being the very lynchpin of all the attacks on Bush's credibility with respect to the intelligence leading up to the war, but any rational person would find it hard to believe.
OIf course I admire Jonah's meaty man haunches. I often picture him crawling through dead leaves and soil and undergrowth in his tighty-whiteys like Ned Beatty. He has a full and purdy mouth. And a lovely textured anus that resembles a pink balloon knot.
How could you know anything about puss-all of you are closet gays and obviously have to fight each others battles.
"I have a feeling it's going to get really, really, really ugly."
You're right, Stinky. But then again, it's already really, really, really ugly. And I for one will endure the ugliness if it means tossing the BushFascists out of power.
Let's rock, you Republican slimeballs.
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How could you know anything about puss...
Well, he *was* quite funny in "Shrek 2" - even my wife loved him!
Tempted to troll-feed.
Repeat after me:
Ignore the malevolent idiots.
Ignore the malevolent idiots.
Ignore the malevolent idiots...
Jonah Goldberg is going to put his man milk on my cheerio.
My eager tigght little ring that even now I stroke lovingly.
email me at nogo@Hotmail.com if anyone wants to get coffee. Especially if you're a bear like Goldberg.
hey stupid troll at 2:11 -- checkmate:
Unions Plan to Picket Site of Republican Convention
By STEVEN GREENHOUSE
Published: July 17, 2004
Three of New York City's most prominent unions - the police, the firefighters and the teachers - plan to begin round-the-clock picketing at Madison Square Garden on Monday to protest their lack of a contract.
The three unions have decided to picket the Garden, the site of the Republican National Convention next month, to pressure Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg into improving his wage offer and to bring attention to their cause.
"We're doing this to deliver our message to all New Yorkers," said Stephen J. Cassidy, president of the Uniformed Firefighters Association. "The Republicans are coming to bask in the glow of Sept. 11, and yet the firefighters and police officers who died in record numbers and continue to be the frontline defenders for this city haven't had a contract for more than two years."
If Bush is the answer, it must be a stupid question.
"Unions Plan to Picket Site of Republican Convention"
Christ, they can't let Bush see the picket line. He'll piss his pants again and choke on another "pretzel."
Sorry to repeat but...
It is so fucking easy to scroll right past electionthief and Thug. I live in So. Cal. and I've been trained not to rubber neck at the bloody wrecks all over the freeways.
Durn, Dave, didja have to go and bust Haloscan? Next time, I'm sending you
some No-Doz.
OT, but speaking of dates:
Smoking Gun: Ground Zero Typo Caught After Two Years
They had the date of the attack listed as September 11, 2002. A 21-year-old
caught it this past July 10.
p.s. I like a decent (and rare) troll battle as much as anybody else, but
this is getting way out of hand. Maybe it's time the Power-That-Be thought
about a registration system or something?
Not that Bush has a clue what a "union" is.
Any truth to the rumor that Jonah Goldberg still wears Underoos?
I mean, he DOES look the type.
Not that I'm asking for visual proof or anything.
Please.
My my, the trolls are out in force today. Now we can see what all the money Bush is getting from corporates like Enron are being spent on....idiot trolls! I
Does anyone really think the Bushes will move back to the armadillo ranch in January, when they leave the White House?
That was his "I'm just a country boy, you can trust me" prop, it'll be sold as soon as he doesn't need it any more.
I don't know or care where Georgie will wind up, but it won't be Crawford, Texas. How about the Hague?
Silleigh -- has been a hell of a week, hasn't it? I've been in touch with at least one regular commenter who has Had Enough.
Throw me in for a registration system. Even pay.
Trolls are boring. Here's Joe Wilson's 2003 NY Times op-ed.
(As for the actual memorandum, I never saw it. But news accounts have pointed out that the documents had glaring errors — they were signed, for example, by officials who were no longer in government — and were probably forged. And then there's the fact that Niger formally denied the charges.)
snip
The question now is how that answer was or was not used by our political leadership. If my information was deemed inaccurate, I understand (though I would be very interested to know why). If, however, the information was ignored because it did not fit certain preconceptions about Iraq, then a legitimate argument can be made that we went to war under false pretenses. (It's worth remembering that in his March "Meet the Press" appearance, Mr. Cheney said that Saddam Hussein was "trying once again to produce nuclear weapons.") At a minimum, Congress, which authorized the use of military force at the president's behest, should want to know if the assertions about Iraq were warranted.
I was convinced before the war that the threat of weapons of mass destruction in the hands of Saddam Hussein required a vigorous and sustained international response to disarm him. Iraq possessed and had used chemical weapons; it had an active biological weapons program and quite possibly a nuclear research program — all of which were in violation of United Nations resolutions. Having encountered Mr. Hussein and his thugs in the run-up to the Persian Gulf war of 1991, I was only too aware of the dangers he posed.
Now Wilson does look stupid in the fact that it seems that his wife did get him the job, but his facts about the mission haven't been disproven. Okay Glenn Reynold lackeys, where is the uranium yellowcake? This he said/he said shit is getting old. The U.S. went to war and found no WMDs. That's the story. Beat up on Wilson all you want, but he's not running for President.
eya ladies n gents
and any otherz
have read part a de bloggie here
" If the Dems wanted payback, they could try to prolong the hearings as much as possible.
Wile E. Odysseus "
oh yezz! way good thinkin here i can see! more strategy and you all
have been trackin it a long time, a longer history of data gathering as well this being a news bloggie. am usually at MRR do you mind if i drop in occassionally? sam seder loves this site and i can see why! (purty snoozy rite now we did an all nighter at MRR)
c'mon over and visit please. we jus started a new thread!
Sunshine Jim
http://www.majorityreportradio.c...ives/
000456.php
Again, the troll activity is a reflection of their level of desperation.
Annoying as they are, we should rejoice in their shrill presence here. They're panicking. They're hysterical. They're about to wet their pants.
The music of the spheres.
eya ladies n gents
and any otherz
have read part a de bloggie here
" If the Dems wanted payback, they could try to prolong the hearings as much as possible.
Wile E. Odysseus "
oh yezz! way good thinkin here i can see! more strategy and you all
have been trackin it a long time, a longer history of data gathering as well this being a news bloggie. am usually at MRR do you mind if i drop in occassionally? sam seder loves this site and i can see why! (purty snoozy rite now we did an all nighter at MRR)
c'mon over and visit please. we jus started a new thread!
Sunshine Jim
http://www.majorityreportradio.c...ives/
000456.php
Every now and then, Drum nails it:
...here is Bush's record since 9/11:
* By dedicating too few troops to Afghanistan in 2002, he allowed Osama bin Laden and much of al-Qaeda to escape. They are still on the run, and al-Qaeda is by all accounts larger and more dangerous now than they were on 9/11.
* In the past three years he has done nothing to reform an intelligence community that is widely agreed to be fatally broken.
* Postwar planning for Iraq was criminally negligent. The result has been chaos, troop overstretch, a violent and growing insurgency, and an increasingly safe haven for terrorist camps.
* He has refused to negotiate with North Korea, despite their clear desire to do a deal. As a result, North Korea is close to being able to mass produce atomic weapons.
* Domestic security is a joke. Bush has shown little interest in funding serious port security, hardening of chemical and nuclear plants, or improving local police and fire response.
So I'll ask again: aside from actually invading other countries, which I really don't think Bush is planning to do more of either, what is it about Kerry's national security policy that (Republicans don't) like? The additional 40,000 troops in Iraq? The doubling of the intelligence budget? The willingness to criticize Saudi Arabia?
And aside from tough talk, what is it about Bush that (they *do*) like? Postwar Iraq has been a debacle, but even assuming you're willing to overlook that, is Iraq really so important that it overshadows every single other thing that Bush has failed to do?
I'm willing to give Bush partial points for Libya, but beyond that it's awfully hard to figure out what his successes in the war on terror are supposed to be. What am I missing?
By the way, I see on the BBC that Elton John has said that stars are scared of speaking out because of "bullying tactics" used by the US govt to hinder free speech.....
"there is an atmosphere of fear in America right now that is deadly. Everyone is too career concious" he told the New York magizine, Interview.
He went on to say that performers could be "frightened by the current administration's bulling tactics" He went on to liken the current fear factor to McCarthyism in the 1950s.
I really think Kerry/Edwards should make FREEDOM an issue in this election. What with artists being taken off radio stations, People being hand cuffed for wearing anti Bush t-shirts, Stars losing their contracts like Slim Fast. They should point out to people the reality of Bush/Cheneys so called love of freedom. Like everything else, BULLSHIT
...didja have to go and bust Haloscan?
Sorry... it looks fine from here, though (and I'm using Firefox and have a small monitor - not that size matters!)...
PLEASE don't post long character strings.
They blow out the Haloscan formatting and make it really hard for the rest of us to read the comments.
Thank you for your kind attention.
eya ladies n gents
and any otherz
have read part a de bloggie here
" If the Dems wanted payback, they could try to prolong the hearings as much as possible.
Wile E. Odysseus "
oh yezz! way good thinkin here i can see! more strategy and you all
have been trackin it a long time, a longer history of data gathering as well this being a news bloggie. am usually at MRR do you mind if i drop in occassionally? sam seder loves this site and i can see why! (purty snoozy rite now we did an all nighter at MRR)
c'mon over and visit please. we jus started a new thread!
Sunshine Jim
http://www.majorityreportradio.c...ives/
000456.php
eya ladies n gents
and any otherz
have read part a de bloggie here
" If the Dems wanted payback, they could try to prolong the hearings as much as possible.
Wile E. Odysseus "
oh yezz! way good thinkin here i can see! more strategy and you all
have been trackin it a long time, a longer history of data gathering as well this being a news bloggie. am usually at MRR do you mind if i drop in occassionally? sam seder loves this site and i can see why! (purty snoozy rite now we did an all nighter at MRR)
c'mon over and visit please. we jus started a new thread!
Sunshine Jim
http://www.majorityreportradio.c...ives/
000456.php
sorry for the repeat posts
and de long strings, how do those happen? wuzz hittin refresh i think and posting instead
Bush/Cheney 2004: 4 more yrs. to turn Murican democracy into Murican plutocracy.
Sorry... it looks fine from here, though (and I'm using Firefox and have
a small monitor - not that size matters!)... dave
That's weird. I'm using Firefox (no, won't go off on another rant about how
great it is here) -- but I'm on a PC, maybe that's the dif? My monitor's
slightly bigger than average (although, as you note, it ain't the
-- um -- width, it's the motion.
I've noticed that sometimes busted-out margins look different at home and at
work (on a Mac). Never closely examined the phenom, though.
...I'm over the name-ripping. I can ignore known trolls, but when I start
having to try to check E-mails to see if it's a troll or a Reg Gone Wild (as
happens occasionally), it bugs me.
People using Windows/Internet Explorer are requested to NOT HIT REFRESH after posting a comment.
Due to one of the MANY FLAWS inherent in both Windows and Internet Explorer, refreshing the comments window will repost your comment.
After posting a comment, PLEASE CLOSE the comments window and the reopen it.
This will eliminate the multiple posting problem that plagues our Haloscan comments window.
Thank you for your kind attention!
Sunshine: Double posts come, AFAIK, from hitting F5 after you've posted, or maybe
clicking OK twice when Haloscan's slow. Long strings of characters come from
either Dave's ZZZzzzs 
or when someone posts a URL that's extremely long and
lacks hyphens or other "break" characters. That's why you'll often see
some of us finger-wagging about converting long URLS to short ones at
tinyurl.com or snipurl.com, or embedding links.
Hey election theif. That silly crap you posted about Wilson lying is a lie. And what you posted about "Wilson did not deny his wife got him the job" or what ever weak crap is a lie. And when you say bush didn't lie, that's a lie. So you are a liar. And your friends are liars. And your parents told me they were married during your conception and they are liars.
Long strings occur when someone posts a character string that has no spaces in it. a la Dave at 2:34.
<Soup Nazi>Bad Dave! No hot man on box turtle action for you!</Soup Nazi>
Rule of thumb: If a character strings without spaces takes up two lines of text in the Halscan comment box, it's TOO LONG!
Thank you for your kind attention
Instead of just ignoring the malevolent idiot trolls on Eschaton take some time and to post at rightwingnews and other browwnshirt blogs.
As an ex-football player I can attest to the best defense is a great offense.
Hit these lame SOB's because pound for pound they are dumber and have slow uptake.
BTW, I just got kicked off of one of these Fascist blogs because they despise sharp intellect and repartee and no one had a credible rejoinder.
Chris, er, Soup Nazi -- LMFAO!
(HOW do you get the "greater than" and
"lesser than" symbols to show up here, dude???)
Crow all you like, trolls. We know what's going to happen post-November 2.
Crawford, bitch!
Again--let the trolls come! They're desperate! The more they show up here, shrieking shrilly, the more we can be sure we're winning.
Increased troll activity is a sure sign that things are going our way.
Smile at it!
Increased troll activity is a sure sign that things are going our way.
And fun, if you make it into a drinking game!
Silleigh: It's my 3l337 HTML mad skillz!
I'm using the HTML code for angle brackets.
The less than symbol is (ampersand symbol)lt(semicolon)
The greater than symbol is (ampersand symbol)gt(semicolon)
Tanks Silleigh
i ususally post like
dis and array vertically!
Thank you for your kind attention
Chris Tucker!!
test:
my website addie
see if de HTML
works in Opera
http://www3.telus.net/Art-Adventures/
*
test
Next version of HaloScan (I hope): Automatic truncation of overlong lines. (I'll bet we can live without the missing parts!)
@lt;http://www3.telus.net/Art-Adventures/@gt;
(@)lt(
http://www3.telus.net/Art-Advent...ntures/(@)gt(gt(<img src="http://www.haloscan.com/images/smileys/clin_oeil.gif" border="0" alt="" width="15" height="15" />){kind=small}
@lt:http://www3.telus.net/Art-Adventures/@gt:
Due to one of the MANY FLAWS inherent in both Windows and Internet Explorer, refreshing the comments window will repost your comment.
Chris Tucker
That's not why. It occurs with Mozilla browsers, too.
When Haloscan generate the page HTML, if you've posted a comment it repeats that post in a hidden form element.
As for all these "you broke Haloscan" complaints, learning how to resize your browser window is simple.
I hate to be so pedestrian, but the response to the "trolls" about Wilson, is to direct them to his letter at Salon.
And ask them to quote chapter and verse on what, how, and where, he allegedly "lied."
And then direct them to Josh Marshall, if they aren't exhausted already, to read about how Chalabi's "friends" (i.e., James Woolsey and Richard Perle) actually bypassed the CIA and fed info the CIA wouldn't touch with a club to the White House.
It's all documented by a Knight-Ridder article. Seems the CIA didn't feed the WH bad info so much as, as we all knew all along, the WH went seeking bad info that it thought more "trustworthy" than that accepted by those gullible fools at Foggy Bottom...er, no, that was McCarthy...at Langley.
Seems the fools were at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. And that's the story coming out, despite the GOP Senate Committee's best effort to hide it.
Hmmm...maybe things will change in November after all. Maybe that's what's brought all the "trolls" around.
'Cause it sure ain't coincidence.
pardon me chris
but can u show me
how to post a link?
OT: Bush wants the Russians in Afganistan?! WTF--gasoline, meet fire.
Kerry Backs Much of Pre-Emption Doctrine
This will help win over more independents and swing votes.
I must say the Kerry campaign strategists are taking the very overrated Karl Rove to school.
I am pumped !
PLEASE don't post long character strings.
They blow out the Haloscan formatting and make it really hard for the rest of us to read the comments.
Just asking, mind you, but what sort of browser are you using? I sometimes have to adjust the width of the window, but this takes a second...what's with the "breaking haloscan" thing?
This from the Bush twins' Vogue interview:
In the interview, the daughters disclose that they like to drink soy lattes at Starbucks and eat at sushi restaurants.
Wouldn't this be a nice factoid to toss back next time the GOP complains about latte-drinking liberals? The Bush girls drink lattes.
Hey, jac. I have a 1024 X 768 display.
The window fills the monitor screen, save for the 20 pixels
of the menubar.
I still have to scroll side to side, or shrink the font size to
something where I need to have my face a few inches from
the screen to be able to read without side to side scrolling.
Resizing is NOT the answer. Not breaking the Haloscan formatting
by embedding long URLs/Using tinyurl.com or refraining
from overlong, space-free character strings IS the answer.
Mozilla, based on Navigator code, is still flawed code, particularly
if you're running Mozilla on a Windows platform.
FYI, I use iCab on Mac OS 9.2.2. I can post a message and reload
the comments window all day long and NEVER have a repost.
What's Windows/Mozilla doing wrong that Mac OS is doing right?
Due to one of the MANY FLAWS inherent in both Windows and Internet Explorer, refreshing the comments window will repost your comment.
Not true. It's a Haloscan stupidity- IE does exactly what it should: resend the command that loaded the page, which happens to be a POST, rather than a GET. Haloscan should do a redirect once you submit a comment instead of producing a results page from the POST.
And it's < and > to do < and >.
Sunshine Jim, lease see the web pages I've set up at:
http://tinyurl.com/2bzyk,
or:
http://web.newsguy.com/christucker/tips.html
for details on how to embed a URL, use tinyurl.com or use the "URL" field above the comments box.
Embedding a URL is very easy, it's just a matter of typing a few extra characters.
As for all these "you broke Haloscan" complaints, learning how to resize your browser window is simple.
We know how to resize the window. We just don't want to.
It's annoying.
Please don't feed the trolls. They're already full of shit.
For the record, I use Avant Browser, which is basically IE, but does tabbed browsing (actually, it's an MDI, not just tabbed, but I always maximize, so it's tabbed for me) and has a lot of other features... when you get the popup clicking on the comments link, it keeps address bar, status bar (useful for checking link targets) and so on... I always maximize thye comments window, and have the bonus that when I post a comment, I can just hit back to go back to the nromal display (where it's safe to hit refresh).
But will Dick Cheney schedule his heart attack earlier?
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He'll have his heart attack in two weeks, being shocked at Osama being captured.
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why does bush hate america? afterall, he's playing politics with the biggest anti-terrorism organization in our country, and surely not having a head to the organization will set back progress in anti-terror operations. and for what? so that the white house doesn't have to take the political hit for going through senate confirmations? again, why does bush hate america?
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No-he's waiting so that his new CIA Director will not have the tarnish of the terrorist attack he allows to happen(in October) on his record.
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Sounds like more procrastination by a lazy, overindulged spoiled brat who is used to having everything his way, and doing nothing to work for what he has.
MYOB'
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Evangelical vigilantes are out of the mainstream.
Kerry/Edwards - Back From the Brink
Bush/Cheney - One Outrage After Another
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Is there any reason for Kerry/Edwards/all reasonable people not to just start asking everyday "when are you going to catch OsamaBL? Huh? We sure wish we'd catch him NOW, the sooner the better." Then, if the Bushites did pull an October surprise, wouldn't it neutralize the effect if everyone could say, "Yippee! Took ya long enough, though."
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the terrorist attack he allows to happen(in October)
Haven't you been following -- it's November 1st.
Can't be having those elections happening on time, can we?
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Well, the week went pretty much as I predicted seven days ago:
BUSH LIED!! Not.
BLAIR LIED!!! Not.
But it turns out JOE WILSON LIED! PEOPLE DIED. Of embarrassment mostly. At least I'm assuming that's why the New York Times, MSNBC's Chris Matthews, PBS drone Bill Moyers and all the other media bigwigs Joseph C. Wilson IV suckered have fallen silent on the subject of the whit
As an Ohioan I'm proud to say we attended the Bd of Elections meeting here in Knox Co. when they postponed deciding on what kind of machines to use. We had fantasitc support from CASE (Citizens Alliance for Secure Elections), which made sure whe had knowledgeable member on hand to help us make our case. I just want to take this opportunity to thank them in a public forum. If you'd like to know more about CASE and lend them your support, here's the link:
http://tinyurl.com/18r
We also had terrific help from Democrat Ben Konop, running against Michael Oxley in Ohio's 4th district
( http://tinyurl.com/6glab )
And from state senator Teresa Fedor's office, too.
Thanks to all.
My email to Atrios today
Signal to noise ratio on Eschaton is getting out of control.
Good news: The Repukes are becoming desperate so have 'jacked up' their presence
Bad News: The threads are becoming a chore to churn through and the quality of the discussion iin comments have dimished.
( note: This thread is a proof positive )
Suggestions:
1. Require a registration for users. Webmaster or equivalent can delete the most obnoxious trolls.
2. Have someone closer monitor the threads where he/she can make call to delete comments.
Bottom line: You're going to have to make some changes
Good luck !
An avid Echaton reader
But will Dick Cheney schedule his heart attack earlier?
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He'll have his heart attack in two weeks, being shocked at Osama being captured.
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why does bush hate america? afterall, he's playing politics with the biggest anti-terrorism organization in our country, and surely not having a head to the organization will set back progress in anti-terror operations. and for what? so that the white house doesn't have to take the political hit for going through senate confirmations? again, why does bush hate america?
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No-he's waiting so that his new CIA Director will not have the tarnish of the terrorist attack he allows to happen(in October) on his record.
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Sounds like more procrastination by a lazy, overindulged spoiled brat who is used to having everything his way, and doing nothing to work for what he has.
MYOB'
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MYOB | Email | Homepage | 07.17.04 - 1:22 pm | #
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Evangelical vigilantes are out of the mainstream.
Kerry/Edwards - Back From the Brink
Bush/Cheney - One Outrage After Another
Darryl Pearce | Email | Homepage | 07.17.04 - 1:24 pm | #
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Is there any reason for Kerry/Edwards/all reasonable people not to just start asking everyday "when are you going to catch OsamaBL? Huh? We sure wish we'd catch him NOW, the sooner the better." Then, if the Bushites did pull an October surprise, wouldn't it neutralize the effect if everyone could say, "Yippee! Took ya long enough, though."
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the terrorist attack he allows to happen(in October)
Haven't you been following -- it's November 1st.
Can't be having those elections happening on time, can we?
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Well, the week went pretty much as I predicted seven days ago:
BUSH LIED!! Not.
BLAIR LIED!!! Not.
But it turns out JOE WILSON LIED! PEOPLE DIED. Of embarrassment mostly. At least I'm assuming that's why the New York Times, MSNBC's Chris Matthews, PBS drone Bill Moyers and all the other media bigwigs Joseph C. Wilson IV suckered have fallen silent on the subject of the whit
BTW, did you know that Bush channels jeebus?
Of course you did. Scary thing, that.
Chris, you're on OS 9.2?
you gotta be kidding me!
http://allspinzone.blogspot.com/
I just realized one advantage to name stealing trolls. We now have to evaluate all posts based entirely on content and the quality of arguments presented. Our critical thinking is thus improved and we become more able to easily demolish the stupid arguments put forth by the trolls.
how do ya reach holden or tena or somebody since blogfather A-man is gone... e-mail?
fourlegsgood, not only OS 9.2.2, but OS 9.2.2 on an "Old World" PowerMac, an unsupported platform!
It's a PowerMac 5500/225 with a Sonnet Crescendo 400Mhz G3 upgrade card in the L2 cache slot.
Thanks to OS 9 Helper, an application that patches the 9.2 and 9.2.2 updaters to work on unsupported PowerMacs, I've got a killer PowerMac that blows away most of the translucent color CRT iMacs, as well as the early G3 Desktop Macs.
It's a fine machine, so good, I'm no longer looking for a iMac, and I get to use all my serial and SCSI peripherals, too.
If you're interested, you can see the history of my PowerMac HERE.
Holden,
I so hope you are right and that the Bushes will be moving back to Crawford come November!
Who can blame Bush, really? I know that when I have had a job that I knew I was leaving soon, I started to slack off too...
New York Times Nov 8, 1967. pg. 80
1967: Bush shows sadistic side per recently talked about Bush branding initiation at yale...
$cam--Yes, his interest in torture seems to go back aways, doesn't it? Gary Trudeau just made some comments about that incident.
More Bush November Madness: And then---and then---and then---we'll read Hungry Caterpillar again! And clear brush in Crawford. And--and--and watch this drive!
ja rorschach, ever read Alice Miller's work on sado-abuse? she talks of how germany became nazified,by childhood abuse victims who later came to power and wanted revenge on the world to try to work out their unconscience abuse. Perp-victim dichotomy; Classic 101 psychology. the "pedagogic approach", of The Drama of the Gifted Child and For Your Own Good: Hidden Cruelty in Child-rearing and the Roots of Violence fame...Miller explores the backgrounds of extreme cases of self-destructive and violent individuals to further her theories on longterm consequences of abusive childrearing. Her conclusions about what creates a drug addict, a murderer, even a Hitler, stray far from psychoanalytic dogma about human nature....
so in your logic if Joe WIlson lied then his wife is fair game and he shouldn't have gotten that investigation going of someone in the White House for out his CIA operative wife.
Oh wait it wasn't Wilson who file complaint it was the CIA !! t
repeat after me WINGNUTS
anything Wilson has said or done is immaterial to the fact that traitor in the White House outed a CIA agent --
just back from F9/11, discussing the Miserable Failure with my wife over dinner, when it occurred to me...
didn't Rehnquist and two or three other of the Supremes threaten to retire during this presidential term? What's holding them up?
Do you remember the moment in F9/11 when Bush was with his brother Jeb on the jet, and he said something to the effect of 'Mark my words: We will win Florida'?
Anyone get the feeling that he KNOWS he's going to win, because the votes aren't going to matter?
I'm with Incognito here: I've got a really bad feeling about this.
We've got to have exit polls again... to show how big a descrepancy there will be between the votes cast and the votes counted.
Theodoric -- Good point. When the 2000 election was first called for Gore, O'Connor was reported to have exclaimed disappointment because she had wanted to retire. Since she would want to retire while a Repuklican is in office, Gore's win would have meant at least another four years on the bench for her. I figure that she didn't retire when it "turned out" that Bush took the office, because (1) she didn't want to prove the report correct (2) since the supremes decided the election, she didn't want it to look like she had a stake in the election. Rehnquist has never threatened to retire, but he is not a well man. I hear that his back is so bad he has to get up and walk around during oral argument. He's a Repuklican and would probably also like to retire when a Repuklican can replace him. The other judge is Stevens. He's 84 years old, but acts 25 years younger. I doubt he would want to let Bush replace him. As to Rehnquist and O'Connor, after the multiple debacles brought on by this maladministration, I'll bet even they are afraid to allow Bush to replace them.
If someone hasn't beaten me to it, the Bush family will probably sell the ranch to the lowest bid from any sychophantic buyer they can find.
They can have it.
My Dad used to say, Texas is the kind of place where you can be standing in mud up to your asshole and still have sand blowing in your face.
Please add my voice to Silleigh's, filkertom's, and anonymous'. It's becoming increasingly unpleasant to read and post here. I'm happy to debate with serious people, but the sophmoric posts that clog up every thread make interesting conversation impossible. Is there anything that can be done?
Uncle $cam - I'm in the middle of reading/re-reading all of Alice Miller's books. The similarity between the German pedagogy that created Hitler and wacko Christian childrearing tomes like "Babywise" is chilling. From a Salon article: "After babies reach only 6 months of age, parents are instructed to begin punitive disciplinary measures such as "squeezing or swatting" of the child's hands or "isolation" in the crib for "rebellious" infractions including "foolishness," "malicious defiance" or even playing with food on the highchair tray." I'm sure Miller could and will have a field day with W's desperate attempts to please Daddy.
I'm looking forward to Major League Baseball's announcement in January of 2005 that W's long-term dream of becoming commissioner will be realized.
With the able assistance of Bud Selig and others left over from the regime of Bush II, MLB will soon be left on the ash-heap of history. Considering the state of the world three and half years after the hostile take-over in Florida, I guess losing baseball is a small price to pay.
What's Windows/Mozilla doing wrong that Mac OS is doing right?
I don't know Mozilla, but macs are alright
Jenna - "I think it will be great to do the campaign for several months where I'll work really hard and meet tons of people," she said. "I think it will help prepare me for the next phase of my life."
Running a high-end brothel?
And of course, the Bushes will be moving back to Crawford - after November 2.
Shore sounds like a plan .
.....
The year Bush finally doesn't go on vacation so much... the year he uses taxpayer money to pay for his campaigning...
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