I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
cat killer
"...even his critics can't argue that he is a steadfast leader who means what he says and acts with resolve."
I can confirm this.
so... wait, when they do the Rove/Scooter chat next (yah, fat chance!), will they let Jenna and her sister answer the questions? Pleeease...
That is just way too funny. Wonkette is right: The prose is just too polished and on-message for any 22-year-old, but especially not let's get drunk at Chuy's 22-year-olds.
I would love to ask Jenna about the optimum amount of water to put in a bong.
It's kinda creepy how they keep capitalizing the word "Dad".
Betcha the questions are plants, too.
open minded? In their dreams. The whole thing is creepy.
I didn't hate Tricia and Julie, but I sure am learning to hate those two.
I didn't see any questions from Ashton Kutcher, Hollywood, CA.
I've always been amazed that people calling into "live" sex chatlines think they're actually talking to young hot babes.
it IS kinda difficult to do an online chat from the drunk tank, y'know.
Those girls sure are good spellers, as well as flawless typists. I have never been able to do a live chat without at least one typo.
It's genuine. I sat through it hoping they'd answer my question about them becoming spokespeople for chastity.
And what's with the 'treats everyone he meets with respect' shit? I saw it repeated a couple of times before I got creepy-saturated and had to stop reading.
Sure-fire strategy for winning BIG this November!
Attack the candidate's children.
And, for good measure, direct a little vile puerile hate towards the spouse.
You can't miss, Atrios!
Keep up the vomit of hatred. Americans the land over can't get enough!
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I've always been amazed that people calling into "live" sex chatlines think they're actually talking to young hot babes.
You're just like all those people who tell me lies about Santa Claus.
I should have said that Wonkette's quotes are genuine. I doubt the twins had anything to do with it.
We are witnessing the final stages of the American Empire right before our very eyes.
I fully well expect to be invaded by a coalition of Canadians, Caribeans,Mexicans and Icelanders who will divide the former 50 states amongst themselves. At this point, I think I'd welcome them with open arms.
Patterson:
We're not attacking the twins, per se. Maybe having a few jokes at their expense, but not attacking them, personally.
We're attacking the shameless manipulation of them.
Get a clue.
David,
Don't you have some grad school homework to do? Oh right, you're majoring in mathematics education...
Wow. David's so pissed off he missed the closing tag. He also seems to think that it's unfair to question whether the twins wrote their own copy for their campaign appearance. Silly boy.
Patterson -
Amble up to the bar and grab yourself a nice frosty mug of Shut The Fuck Up, you humorless moron.
One thought bubbled to the surface of my brain as I read the transcript:
HORSESHIT!
And I see the DP Troll™ is feeling rather BOLD tonight.
Hey, Davey boy, close a friggin tag or get the hell out of here. And just keep putting words in Atrios' mouth.
When the Bush Brats (who are legal adults) decided to campaign, it became open season, bay-bee.
Thersites,
Uh, well...uh, I'm slowly backing away... don't want to bust most cherished myth... got carried away ...must go get beer and make phone call......
NY Times has an article about the chat here.
Yum. . . Twins. . . Getting sleepy. . .
Patriotboy:
Good to see you back. I was wondering where you'd been. I do hope the Little General is as upright as ever.
mmmmm.....frosty!
Attack the candidates children? Ok, take it away Jodie Wilgoren......The Edwardses' younger children, Emma Claire, 6, and Jack, 4, struggled to hold campaign placards above their heads and to stay quiet during all the speeches.
I've never missed a closing tag before! I feel so ashamed . . .
When the Bush Brats (who are legal adults) decided to campaign, it became open season, bay-bee.
You anonymous pussy, shut the fuck up. Learn your place. (on your knees in front of KKKarl)
How can we talk about bashing politician's children without this gem:
"Everyone knows the Clintons have a cat. Socks is the White House cat. But did you know there is a White House dog?" Limbaugh said on TV, before holding up a picture of Chelsea.
---Rush Limbaugh, 1993. Chelsea was 13 at the time.
http://tinyurl.com/45htp
Actually?
If the twins have actually started working for Nero's campaign, I have to say they're fair game.
If they hadn't made any public comments about it, I would argue against saying anything about them at all... But since they have apparently chosen to very openly support their neo-fascist father, they're just as open to criticism as any of his other apologists.
Oh, and the link has a great picture of Chelsea. Like a certain General, I'm heterosexually yours, but I can admit that she's very pretty in that picture.
You know what I love?
Getting lectured by a wingnut about how it's really, really bad to be mean to the children or spouse of the president.
Mmmmm... that's some damn good hypocrisy, right there.
It is almost impossible for us to choose just one moment that has made us proud. There are so many times we are proud of our dad--we constantly meet people that have benefited from him as a person and as a President and we couldn't feel prouder. Yet, there is no doubt that after September 11, we couldn't have been prouder of our father. It was so moving for us to see our Dad, and the entire American people, handle such an unbelievable tragedy with such strength and courage. We knew that with our Dad as President, he would do everything he could to make sure that the American people were safe and that those that lost friends and family members would feel comforted
there is one contraction in the above quote.
In these go-go days, do kids not use contractions? Heck. I thought they made up their own language so that they could cover up the fact that they can't spell.
Enh. Whatever. It is all just from the Department of Ms. Information anyway...
I, too, was creeped out with the capitalization of "Dad" and the repeated references to aWol's treatment of EVERYONE with dignity and respect.
WTF? He is a major league asshole!
Thanks LJ
Between work and union stuff, I've had to struggle to even find time to post to my blog.
Patriotboy:
You owe no apologies. It's your blog. Do with it what you wish. I'm sure we'll enjoy what you can manage.
Oh great. Name stealing Atrios sycophants again.
Try stealing Kerry's name, it won't work in November!!!
I like the new, crazy-ass Dave Patterson.
It's a big improvement over the old, histrionics-loving, faux-intellectual, 'even-handed', crazy-ass Dave Patterson.
Why do you support Bush, David? What has he done to deserve your loyalty?
Try stealing Kerry's name, it won't work in November!!!
Ha haha haha!
Breathe first dim, then type.
I trust you mean the "union of man and wife" there, General.
It would be disturbingly French of you to belong to a labor union. 
Why do you support Bush, David? What has he done to deserve your loyalty?
A strait forward question.How about a strait forward answer?
One thing that we love about him is his open-mindedness.
That's the funniest thing I've heard in a while.
I wonder how open minded he was about Jenna being a total drunk slut at all the UT frat parties? and having to have the secret service go around to all the photo services to scoop up all the incriminating photos?
What crap.
The twins could have typed those responses. I am 20 years old, and I could have written those sentences in high school.. yes, even in a "live" chat.
Bush is clueless, but that doesn't mean his daughters are morons. Deluded, probably. But most 22-year-old college graduates are quite capable of stringing together talking points and cute comments.
Atrios, I love you, but this post is insulting to young people. What did you expect? "Omigod LOL vote for my dad LOL"
Patriotboy:
David has deigned to imply that he is rich, baby, rich, through someone else's efforts (trust fund baby, most likely). Such a person has everything to gain from Bush's policies, I'm sure.
did they take turns "typing" the answers, one key at a time, or do they just share one brain?
My guess is that the unsuspecting rubes are chatting with Karen Hughes.Remember her response when asked if the chimp was engaged in the spy plane-Chinese incident?Paraphrasing:"The president is very engaged,he asked if they had bibles and are getting exercise."
I don't hate Laura; I just think she could have done a better job of choosing a mate. She could have chosen someone who wasn't a misanthropic lush.
it's not insulting to teens to say that the language is not conversational. even the NYT mentions that "While the questions and answers appeared in slow succession, as if typed live, Ms. Whitson said some of the responses had been prepared in advance."
The stupid part is that if the campaign were writing responses for the twins, it doesn't even bother to make it sound down-to-earth and natural. They're inept at deception, even.
patriotboy asks *the* question for Mr Patterson: Why? (and if you care to answer be imaginative and go deeper than "islamofascist hordes waiting to devour our country"-- we see so much of that, and honestly, can that be all there is to Bush's appeal?)
From the NYTimes link above - "While the questions and answers appeared in slow succession, as if typed live, Ms. Whitson said some of the responses had been prepared in advance."
Who woulda thought it.
Thanks for the Wonkette link - I needed the laugh.
Cari,
It has nothing to do with thinking the twins are stupid. I have no idea what they're like. It isn't that young people don't write like that, it's as Wonkette says -- NO ONE WRITES LIKE THAT, except perhaps Karen Hughes or Ken Mehlman.
And, for good measure, direct a little vile puerile hate towards the spouse.
David Patterson
dammit, he's right everybody! let's follow the example set by republicans in the way they treated hillary clinton so respectfully.
oh, wait...nevermind.
do you even read what you write, fuckwit?
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Oh great. Name stealing Atrios sycophants again."
Que?
Cari: "The twins could have typed those responses"
Of course they could.
I bet the guys in the ministry of propaganda want YOU, Cari, to test drive their next ad campaign and tell them how it really resonates with you...
The swagger of "GOB" as he anonymously takes his powerful swings ("bay-bee"!) at the Bush twins on a third-rate cut-and-paste Internet chat board is enough to bring tears to the eyes of even the most charitable observer. (You really don't want anyone to make an ass out of themselves so easily, but sometimes nothing can help it . . . )
One wonders who will next find themselves quivering in the cross-hairs of "GOB"—quadriplegics who choose to vote Republican, small children who indulge in the filthy capitalist practice of selling lemonade on a hot summer's day, recent rape victims who believe their assailants should serve their full sentences?
The list of groups at whom "GOB" could boldly strike out is so long—and his physical prowess and courage runs so deep (and wide!), that all the disabled, children, and women should cower.
The little hissy cock-walk of GOB is enough to make one embrace Arnold's comments earlier this week on the matter of those who oppose men such as he, or "GOB": truly they are not man enough.
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You know, that "quote" from one of the twins sounded a whole lot like the kind of scripted narration from the "average" man on the street in North Korea, when asked about the Great Leader, Kim Il Sung.
Bush is clueless, but that doesn't mean his daughters are morons. Deluded, probably. But most 22-year-old college graduates are quite capable of stringing together talking points and cute comments.
Sorry, but it's PR speak. It's a PR person trying to sound like a cute 22 year old. (the call that it's Karen Hughes is a good one)
It's as faux as David Patterson's intellectualism.
Cari, there are a bunch of real real smart frill-wearers, Generals, lawyers, horses, gays, musicians, and drunks on this here website. And none of us type like that. It's too formal, too polished.
Would a 22 year old woman who sticks her toungue out in public still capitalise "Dad" every time?
The twins already answered why David and everyone find it so easy to support their Dad -- because he respects everyone (including those who don't share his views) so much! Pardon me. It's Friday and I think I need a beer after reading that drivel. Maybe it'll settle my stomach.
They probably wrote the responses in advance, or took their sweet time writing them...
But if it's not about their age, or being party girls, why does everyone think someone at the campaign prepared the responses?
"Nobody writes like that" -- Nobody TALKS like that... but each of us could sit down and prepare similar responses if we were trying to mature yet lovable, incorporating the right buzzwords...
Yes, even 22-year-old party girls can write lame, political responses.
Do you guys think that the twins simply wouldn't write such things? They would be "real" and "honest" with the voters? So what would the twins say?
According to the Times someone at the campaign said "some of the responses were prepared in advance." Use your own judgment to decide by whom.
Wow, Dave, did I touch a nerve?
or are you really Ricky V, defending your beloved?
David, David, David:
I don't see the responses to examples provided, with links no less, of Republicans trashing Chelsea Clinton, or the Edwards children. None of those children were above the age of 13 when the right-wing targeted them. Yet that is as nothing to you. You're more concerned about the delicate sensibilities of two grown women who can take care of themselves--or had better learn how, fast.
But, four, maybe david really is a compassionate conservative - maybe he really gives shit about the plight of the twins born with a silver bong up... well, let's not go there.
After all, isn't it pretty sad that the best they could think of to do upon graudation was working on their Dad's faltering re-election campaign? I mean, they've been known to party, and you'd think they could've done better.
So maybe, just maybe (as Cari would say) David really "feels" their pain and is geniunely concerned that we're mocking those poor, poor girls as they chose to step into the limelight?
El Chupacabra Grande, GOB is spot on.
The Twins are adults, they are working for Daddy and appearing in public on his behalf.
They have legitimized themselves as targets for hoi polloi like us, the citizenry of the United States.
And you know, El Chupacabra Grande, it has been the proud privilege of every American to slag off public figures at will since Tom Jefferson rescinded the Alien and Sedition Acts.
For example, as you've decided to participate in this forum as a troll for the GOP, you made yourself a target for me to refer to you as El Chupacabra Grande, aka, "The Great Big Goatsucker".
And there's bugger all you can do about it, El Chupacabra Grande.
HAW HAW HAW!
(to quote Jack Chick)
The little hissy cock-walk of GOB is enough to make one embrace Arnold's comments earlier this week on the matter of those who oppose men such as he, or "GOB": truly they are not man enough. - David Patterson
I'm telling you, the "David jejune Patterson" Troll is veering more towards the incoherent as we go on.
Just sayin'.
Chris T:
Every time I see El Chupacabra Grande, I think of a bumper sticker that's starting to appear all over San Antonio. It's a rip off of the Bush-Cheney 04 logo, but it reads instead, "Bush Chupa."
One wonders why David Patterson is still here.
Really David, it's such a second rate board with second rate commenters.
And yet... you've been here for weeks, and you haven't changed a single mind.
You haven't convinced a single person here with your substandard arguments.
You've failed to impress a single person with your faux wit and affected, mediocre prose.
How humiliating for an independently wealthy, educated, urbane fellow like you! What a pity!
Perhaps it's time for you to fuck off and die? One certainly would think so.
Poodles!
Think she'll stick her tongue out at those poor inner city school kids that she's definitely going to be teaching?
Yeah, this is Karen Fucking Hughes.
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I am independently wealthy.
I'm sorry, but fake is fake. You can smell it a mile off.
For those who never went to college: It's not unusual for "Dad" to be capitalized when referring to a specific dad, as they were doing.
I understand that Barbara and Jenna went to schools far superior to yours, and have just graduated, and therefore may have a better grasp of English usage, but these mild comparative advantages (no doubt they're above you in other ways, too) are no reason to belittle their verbal acumen.
Um. Unless you're a little jealous.
But that emotion couldn't possibly be the driving force behind threads such as these. No, jealously would just be too easy in this case...
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My cock-walk is bigger than yours.
The point is not that young adults can't write this way (assuming they would feel the need), it's that it's highly unlikely that these two would, or could. I'm guessing Cari hasn't spent a lot of time waking up in bars.
Oh, and Chica, Laura's choice after running over her former boyfriend was between being a drunk librarian and selling out to the devil and being an idle, rich, very well protected drunk. Guess which one she took?
I understand that Barbara and Jenna went to schools far superior to yours
Know you know where we all went to school?
Quick Dim, where did the twins go to school?
CS:
Babs went to Yale and Jenna went to Univ. of Texas, right?
I went to the University of Texas. Not the one in Austin, but one of their other schools. Does that mean I'm on the same level as Jenna?
I believe "CS" merely posed a rhetorical question.
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LJ,
I'm asking Dimmy, because he doesn't know.
The little hissy cock-walk...
I'm sorry, I'm still stuck on this part: Isn't "hissy" (as in "hissy fit") shorthand for "hysterectomy"?
And, as far as I know, "cock-walk" refers to a male of the species strutting his alluring elegant plumage in front of the female, right?
So, what the fuck is a "hissy cock-walk"?
Over to you, DP Troll™...
My cock-walk is bigger than yours.
GOB
Hell, GOB, Wonkette's cock walk is bigger than El Cupacabre Grande's cock walk.
By the way, El Cupacabre Grande, those pills you've buying over the Internet. They don't work. At all.
Your cock walk is always going to be an object of ridicule in the back room of the Grease Gun.
Mr Patterson: you make it hard to be civil. One would think a gentleman of your obvious gifts would realize he is visiting someone else's home, in a manner of speaking. Even the most casual of readers here knows your sense of etiquette is failing you badly.
So if you could please answer the question:
Why do you bother wasting your time and ours posting on Eschaton?
From the NY times article
"While the questions and answers appeared in slow succession, as if typed live, Ms. Whitson said some of the responses had been prepared in advance."
Yeah, like THIS ONE ...
Well, Susan, to us character is the most vital part of being an excellent leader. While we may be a little biased because he is our dad, we think - well, we KNOW -- that our Dad is a man of strong and principled character. If he says he is going to do something, he will do it. When we were kids, if dad said he was going to come to one of our soccer games, he would be there! And now even his critics can't argue that he is a steadfast leader who means what he says and acts with resolve. At the same time, he always treats everyone he meets with dignity and respect.
ROTFLMAO! NO WAY - this is a PR release!
No David, answer the question.
It's not rhetorical.
I don't feel sorry for the Bush twins.. I think they are ridiculous, and their father disgusts me.
And, I agree that the chat sounds extremely fake.
HOWEVER, I believe that 22-year-old girls can write fake, politically-motivated drivel without help. They can sit at a computer and think, "What would help my dad? Ooh, better use words like leadership."
We all wrote vapid crap like this on our college applications. It comes naturally to young adults. There is no evidence that the campaign wrote these responses for them. I understand that they sound fake and contrived, but there's no reason the twins can't be fake and contrived on their own.
Come on. There is no way ANYONE speaks like that in reality. Well, maybe Scott McClellen might speak like that, but I cannot imagine a 22 year old kid that sticks her tongue out to photographers would talke like that.
Why did they answer as a pair? Why didn't Jenna say something - in a real human voice - and Barb say something... in a REAL human voice. The whole thing just stunk of PR slogan speech.
Do you know ANYONE that talks like that?
Do you know any college kid that is sooooo milktoast and fake? Do you know any kid that is completely and totally satisfied with their overworked father? They present this image of Bush as a stay-at-home dad that always eats dinner with them before they curl up on the couch together for a nice game of Yatzee.
And Bob Marley?~!?!?!?!??!??!? Kids that listen to Marley definitely smoke. Van Morrison?!?!?! These kids are about 10 years younger than I am and they supposedly listen to Van Morrison?!?! And Paul SImon as classic rock?!?!?!?!?!??!?! Paul Simon is NOT classic rock - and what 22 year old uses the term "classic rock?"
Classic Rock to a 22 year old is "The Doors", "The Pixies", "The Ramones", hell even "Van Halen". The whole thing just sounds so fake.
I could see Modest Mouse. They are a great band, but I just can't picture the daughters of Mr. Marriage Amendment supporting the kind of crowd that listens to Modest Mouse - except for the recent MTV fans. I could see the twins watching TRL every day.
But I digress... Musically, Modest Mouse would fit into a niche with Van Morrison, and the Strokes fit with that well, too. But being a Strokes, Van Morrison, and Postal Service fan... I don't want to think that I have the same musical tastes as the daughters of evil.
How could they listen to Postal Service ----- OR ANY SUBPOP BAND --- and support that imbecilic warmongering fascist? How can they listen to Bob Marley and not understand "Redemption Song" or "Buffalo Soldiers"? How the FUCK can they listen to Marley and not listen to Phish and the Dead?
I just don't know what I think - I feel a little sick. How can people that have relatively decent taste in music... though Paul Simon as classic rock is a stretch... support that Connecticut Cowboy prick?
Does that mean I'm on the same level as Jenna?
Unless you're a spoiled brat and a drunken slut I hardly think so.
Anyway, hook'em!
It's so hard for me to take a question posed by someone who has adopted the handle "Nick Carraway" very seriously. If you have to ask why, well then——
The twins would probably know why, though. But it still shouldn't make you jealous...
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Re: Twins
I'm sure they had a stenographer typing in their replies, cleared through an editor/filter on a three-second delay, as it were...
Another question David.
Who is Robert Rice?
Hey everyone!
I found a pic of David Patterson!
He looks just like he writes:
http://tinyurl.com/4atmf
How the FUCK can they listen to Marley and not listen to Phish and the Dead?
I dunno, I like Marley and I really hate the dead.
But Paul Simon? that's not rock. Fucking A.
Listen, if the Bush twins are like any of the young republicans from Texas that I'm around, well, this may sound harsh, but chances are excellent that they're assholes.
The apoplexy of Scott Fanetti is revealing something a bit deeper.
It's green-eyed, sometimes considered a little monstrous, and rears its minacious head at the most unfortunate moments . . .
Barbara of course is more educated than most 22 year olds:"
Barbara Bush [...] pleaded guilty and was sentenced to probation and eight hours of community service and must attend an alcohol awareness class, according to court records.
Alcohol awareness class - that's such a sign of fine breeding and class, isn't it, David?
this post is insulting to young people. What did you expect? "Omigod LOL vote for my dad LOL"
Cari
From a coupla Austin party chicks who get busted at Chuy's for underage drinking, and who now are photographed during Dad's presidential campaign sticking their tongues out at the photographers?
Why, yes. Yes, I did.
Pretty strange that gals like this have suddenly "decided" to join that campaign, too. Some of us don't doubt for a moment that this was orders from Rove or whomever, but I personally kinda think it was ol' chimp itself, applying a little parental discipline for all the misbehavior.
Thersites,
that's all I'm gonna say.
How can people that have relatively decent taste in music... though Paul Simon as classic rock is a stretch... support that Connecticut Cowboy prick?
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It helps to drink a lot.
I'm waiting, David.
Who is Robert Rice?
"no reason to belittle their verbal acumen"
david patterson
jenna put the "cum" in "acumen."
Though I can't get into Smith Point, as someone who lives here in g'town I can't wait to meet up with the Bushes (and I don't mean that in a derogatory way. ... well not really). I have sort of shaggy hair and I can throw back bottles of jameson's with the best of them. I'd say f'n ho-bags, but frankly, I don't have a problem with them, except that they sold their souls and lended their names to this travesty of an online chat. A friend from Austin went to school with them and assured me they don't, especially jenna the idiot circus clown, don't speak like this. it's crap. I'm sure a scotty mclellan-in-waiting is typing that stuff out, not either bush twin, who after five o'clock isn't able to touch a keyboard in the same way St. Teddy (who I do think is awesome and kick ass) can touch a steering wheel.
Simple question, David.
Who is Robert Rice?
C'mon, you know this one, right?
Anyone recall that quote from chimpy where he said he didn't really like his kids, that they were "a pain in the ass."?
Hey, if you meant offense there, none taken, "David Patterson" is probably the secret identity of some third rate comic book superhero you've always identified with.
The question remains: Why bother?
Another hint, David Patterson.
That's Robert Rice Ph.D.
Still waiting, David.
Ditto that, and increased, of "fourlegsgood"—just a bit of a bigot there, hating all young women from the state of Texas (most likely they probably would avoid you, too, but I have a feeling that they'll end up with the winning hand, in the end) and perhaps, one may deduce, all young women of certain means anywhere.
His powerful evidence, summoned with all his might: He apparently finds both of them "sluts."
I wonder what the many feminists—woman and man alike—who populate this board think of the term "slut"? (Good only if used on your enemy? Third-generation feminism has taught you well . . .)
(Don't get me wrong: I hope most Americans recognize the "fourlegsgood" lurking in the heart of every looney leftist by the time November comes around. If only a man of "fourlegsgood's" character would speak at the convention. The very idea of bliss itself . . . )
When we were kids, if dad said he was going to come to one of our soccer games, he would be there!
Didn't Bush go on a golf trip or fishing trip while one of the twins was in the freakin' hospital with a burst appendix or something?
I might have gotten all of the details wrong, but I know the gist of the story is right.
And why am I getting a mental image of Patterson as Niles Crane? Scrawny, verbose, effete, annoying...
Unless you're a spoiled brat and a drunken slut I hardly think so.
Have well-to-do mother. Fond of tequila. And... Well, better not to go there. 
Hook 'em horns?
We were the Broncos at my UT. I think. Hell, I didn't keep up with any of that. I was a single parent working full time and going to college. I didn't even have time to go to athletic events (did we have any???), or party or even date.
So, no, I guess I wasn't a spoiled brat or drunken slut, after all.
David Patterson ,
Jealousy?!?!?! Are you kidding? I live quite comfortably - I actually survived the Dot-Bomb quite well. I got my Masters in Computer Science from Georgia Tech and I minored in Philosphy. I am not jealous of their incredible intellect or their lavish life of constant Secret Service scrutiny.
I just can't imagine how kids in such a situation could be so overwhelmingly fake. Do you have kids Dave? Are your kids 100% happy with your workload? Don't your kids ever have complaints or real thoughts about anything?
Come on. Did that sound real? DId that sound like the thoughts of a 22 year old set of co-eds?
I would not buy Chelsea Clinton talking like that. I would not buy Kerry or Edward's kids talking like that. How can you simply buy such obviously canned PR speech?
Hm... Good David/someone pretending to be David posts. What to make of them...
"If Dad said he was going to come to one of our soccer games, he would be there," they wrote. "Even his critics can't argue that he is a steadfast leader who means what he says and acts with resolve."
The use of the word "resolve" nails it. It was written by Republican p.r. flacks.
(Glad to see Atrios wasn't posting about Mary Kate and Ashley, by the way... Scared me for a minute to see the words "the twins.")
"looney leftist"
David Patterson
ohmigod! that's soooo funny! you should totally tell other republicans that one! throw in "Hollywood," and you've really hit on something!
Oh, and does Jenna seem like a skank or what?
Good, of course, being sarcasm.
four, I think this is what you're after:
"Going to War.
During a visit to West Virginia in January 2002, Bush joked, “I’ve been to war. I’ve raised twins. If I had a choice, I’d rather go to war.” During the Vietnam War, however, Bush served with the Air National Guard in Texas, and had specifically noted on his Air Force officers test that he did not wish to serve overseas."
http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh090303.shtml
Oops, that last 'David Patterson' was me. Didn't get out of costume from the name-steal...
Oh, and I forgot to ad prissy. Definitely prissy.
Are you going to send "Dr. Robert Rice" to come kill me?
Could you at least E-mail me a pic of him, so I know what to expect?
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Scott: it appears the troll drone is not programmed to respond to direct questions.
I can appreciate the fact that David Patterson ignores me, because he really doesn't know who Robert Rice is, though if he was what he claims to be (A D.C.schoolteacher), he surely would know that Robert Rice is the Superintendent of the District of Columbia Public Schools, where he claims to be a schoolteacher.
LIAR
Ouch. Scrutinizer puts the hammer down.
You're busted, Niles.
david patterson might be a student in the DC school system. and his momma still washes his gym shorts.
"overworked father"???? I beg to differ Scanetti. This year's the first that he isn't taking the entire month of August off, and it's only because he smells his own blood in the air. By the way, I saw a news clip in which Prince Andrew stuck his tongue out at the press from a limo. His chuckling mom pulled him away from the window. Andrew was about four years old at the time . . . .
The very idea of bliss itself
Being flamed by David Patterson is like being hit on the head with a sack of lace doilies.
Why should he know the school superintendent in his school district? Heck - that would be like knowing who your division manager happens to be. Who could know that?
Besides, Dave probably works at some ritzy private school.
Ah: a girl, "lisa" referring to another girl as a "skank." I was waiting a bit for this; it was a bit longer coming than I thought. But "lisa" has finally indulged us with some shades of "Elimidate."
Now, I think we all have to finally admit, there is no other motivation in this case except for a touch of, um, envy.
A psychologist might be quick to add: "Fear of rivalry. The feeling of being unloved."
But that's just being clinical. . .
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Nyuk nyuk. Good read.
Our favorite musicians range from reggae artists, like Jimmy Cliff and Bob Marley, to classic rock stars like Paul Simon and Van Morrison. We also love newer musicians like Modest Mouse, The Strokes and Postal Service.
Transl.: We are a middle-aged person in young drag. Actual 20 somethings wouldn't categorize The Strokes as "newer musicians". (They'd be just The Strokes.)
They are like all of the white treash voters targets. Lots of kids spend time in Europe from the age of 16-21.
Eurotrashers=Bush crew.
Ah: a girl, "lisa" re
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Shaddap, Niles. You're gonna bore me to death.
sure, the twins "could have" written something literate by themselves... I suppose. But if so, why wouldn't they at least come up with something original instead of spitting out the same campaign memes, such as "If he says he is going to do something, he will do it."
If it wasn't written by the campaign with the ad nauseum RNC talking points, WHY does it sound like they're speaking off the same rote script that Bush spouts at every opportunity?
Overworked is a relative term. I know guys like Prince George. I think he is probably more of the "I'm going to the office" on his way to the strip club of the fishing hole sort of guys. Come on - you can't travel as much as he does and still have a day-to-day relationship with a kid.
These kids are under constant scrutiny. The kid that got busted for trying to drink a beer with her Chimichanga has to harbor a little bit of resentment about the whole "life in a fishbowl" sort of thing.
Jesus o Jesus. He's an interim leader, appointed at the end of the past school year, and not expected to serve after the beginning of the forthcoming. At least that was the plan. We can't seem to find anyone else to take the position, so he may end up with it. As for me, I am in the charter system.
Which will no doubt horrify you.
I know how tough it is to accept the notion that black and poor people should be able to choose their kids' schools, but there it is . . .
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CS:
Honey, as soon as you mentioned that name, I knew I didn't know it, but I Googled it. DP isn't even smart enough to do that.
LIAR
LIAR LIAR LIAR
If you've never heard Cracker's "Eurotrash Girl", you should check it out asap. Funniest song ever.
DP, since you're so well-versed in pop psychology, then surely you're familiar with the term "projection." you seem to interpret others' statements as being the result of an unacknowledged jealousy or envy. any chance that you're just jealous of something? the sense of community here? mommy not love you enough when you were younger? is this the only way that you know how to get attention?
of course, one-minute psychology can't explain everything. some people are just dicks. (and no, me calling you a dick doesn't mean that i have penis envy)
LJ,
And he still ignores it. Like it doesn't exist.
Karl's Monkey for sure.
A HI!Koo . . . for all of you
Y doooooo U waste time
David-pap no better than
ram pine tree up ass*
*and it is better use of his and your time . . . and mine since I prefer Dailykos to FR . . . not my best hikoo . . but it will do given the cirumstances . . .
I don't get why it's so inconceivable that the Bush twins would write like this. It's the same prose style used in just about every lame-ass high school essay ever written. Sure, their normal conversations are probably "OMG can U believe I drank 15 Cuervo shots laST Nite???", but this is Writing for an Important Thing for what they have to be Articulate and Thoughtful.
Y'all are judging this by the standards of people who spend significant amounts of time expressing their own views in the written word and can do so effectively and with personal style. These are two girls who probably hate the written word like they hate paying for their own drinks but have something they can't get out of, so they're doing the usual 'tell the teacher what she wants to hear and try to sound smart in the process'. Considering how unconvincing it is, it's just about exactly what I would expect from two Austin party chicks who stick their tongues out at reporters.
I mean, yeah, it's fake as hell, but I don't get why that means Rove had to write it. Most kids are more than capable of bullshitting on their own.
CS:
He responds in the post above it. Probably Googled Rice after you nailed him on it, then went and read some articles that indicate what he says.
Charter school or no, it's unlikely that any teacher in a city wouldn't know who the Superintendent is of the city's schools.
People send their kids to Patterson thinking they'll be better educated?
Not if he doesn't answer their questions any better than he does ours. Poor things- can you imagine sitting through an hour of Mr Patterson's lectures? Ugh.
IMMORON - Wow, I hope you didn't spend a lot of time making that up because it sucked and was really lame, man. I mean, shit, that was barely legible! Good luck on your next screed, though!
Peanut ,
You see, these are truly experienced girls. They know their CLassic Rock - like Paul Simon and Van Morrison...
Who would even consider EITHER of them to be "rock" the genre just ain't right. Paul Simon is not rock - maybe to a 40 year old he might be, but to a Hives/Strokes/White Stripes sort of kid, he is not rock.
I just can't wrap my head around it. How can they listen to Marley and support Bush? It is like looking at Jackson Pollack's work and thinking "Jeez - somebody spilled some paint."
Gaaaah. It is too late and I am too drunk for this.
It's the same prose style used in just about every lame-ass high school essay ever written
I can see that. I would guess they sort of wrote it, and then it was hurriedly rewritten, with the idiotic talking points about "Dad" being resolute and bold and decisive and all that happy horseshit tossed in here and there.
So, rubbing a black man's head is a sign of respect? I thought it was done to bring good luck.
They're Van Morrison fans. I bet it goes about as far as "Brown-Eyed Girl", which most think is a Jimmy Fuckin' Buffett song anyway. Used to play in a cover band in a joint not unlike Chuy's. Played "Brown-Eyed Girl" at least three times a night, three nights a week, and at least five more times, some bowheaded sweet young thang would request that goddamn song.
Man, I know these people in my blood. The horror. The horror.
The recent Jenna/Babs photospread in Vogue really brought home just how whacked this country is. There they were, lounging on a sofa in their designer gowns and million dollar jewelery, looking for all the world like two high priced hookers at a Texas whore house. This, while thousands of kids their age are fighting in Iraq because the only way they could even hope to have a chance at an education or some kind of future was to enlist.
So while these kids fight and die, daddy's girls graduate from the best colleges, take a post-graducation hoilday in Spain, party with celebs in LA, and pose like spoiled rich bitches in Vogue.
The reality contrast is just too much to stomach.
These girls are educated and healthy. I'm sure they have some talent America can use in its fight against the terrorists in Iraq. They should enlist and help fight daddy's war. C'mon girls, hang up the gowns and put on the fatigues. UNCLE SAM WANTS YOU!
Oh, and I think Jenna sticking her tongue out at the media from the comfort of daddy's car is simply another manifestation of the Bush family's sense of superiority and entitlement.
Hi Atrios thanks for asking! Our Dad is totally the perfect person to be our Dad! When we were kids if he said he was going to come to our soccer game he'd ALWAYS show up even if it meant plowing into the opponent's goal at 4 am after 9 shots of Mezcal! And the Good Lord knows how many Shiner Bocks! Also our Dad is sooo helpful! He totally knows about the law because he understands government like totally! That's why he's such a good President of the United States! One time he was like, if a police officer stops you, you can totally say I know my rights and don't you know who I am? That was totally good advice which shows that not only is he the perfect President but he's the perfect Dad! We have to go now it's Happy Hour! Plus it's Ladies Night!
The notion that I should have to "prove" my occupation and place of residence to people who use initials or some sad pseudonymous name to sign their opinions is laughable. This crew can't even stand behind their opinions with their name. For the first time in a long time, I've damn laughed right out of my chair.
I look forward to Inspector "LJ," with his trusty deputy "CS," serving me my papers. They may need to bring along "pie" and "Jenny from the Blog" for muscle . . .
(I hear "Jenny" has quite a temper, too, and isn't afraid to use a weapon if she has to . . . )
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How much do they get paid for working on the campaign anyway?
....it's unlikely that any teacher in a city wouldn't know who the Superintendent is of the city's schools.
LJ,
If he was who he claims to be, he would have know that, and I wouldn't have had to wait almost forty minutes for him to answer. Even then he didn't know until I gave it away.
What an idiot.
The notion that I should have to "prove" my occupation...
Thanks for asking Dave Patterson! You're totally right about our Dad! He's the perfect person to be President! One thing that we're so proud of is how after one night when we were totally shitfaced he came into our room and like Jenna was totally blacked out but I can totally remember that he was rubbing her leg but it was totally like plutonic. Like as if! Our Dad is so cool and I hope your anal string warts go away soon Dave Patterson! We're totally praying for you!
How soon before Patterson starts weeping outright? He's whining like an under-inflated tire at this point...
Hey, Patterson. Get over yourself. You're a friggin' joke here. And that's all you are. A joke. Capiche?
Geez, it sounds like the "twins" answers are programmed by the same winger response generator as David Patterson.
(As I was saying before I was haloscanned)
The notion that I should have to "prove" my occupation....
You've already given us your "occupation", David.
As for your residence, or "serving you papers", I have no interest in that.
And I'm certain that David Patterson isn't your name either.
David:
You really don't want to go there with the "threat" of finding you.
Uh, no "stranger," I don't understand.
Maybe if you ripped off my name again and typed up an answer under it, I might start to come around to your way of "thinking."
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I showed some of David "Double Penetration" Patterson's comments to Minh, my stunningly beautiful Viet-Namese housegirl.
"DP, he numbah 10! He allatime go fuck himself when he no find chicken!"
Amazing judge of character, is my Minh.
(Hey, if David can fantasize about being a supersmart college educated teacher in the D.C. charter school system, I can fantasize about having a hot asian chick picking up after me AND making fun of David while she's at it.)
For the first time in a long time, I've damn laughed right out of my chair.
Well, tell Mommy to strap you in tighter next time, or you might spill the strained pears.
Holy shite, I wrote my last post before I even knew that the Patterson cyborg was posting on this thread! I'm a friggin prophet!
This crew can't even stand behind their opinions with their name.
Right "David Patterson", my name is Bruce Jones, or is it Bruce Smith? or is it Bruce Another? You're such a brave man for posting with your own name.
By the way, when Atrios regulars wonder what pathetic weasel takes the time to steal others' names on these threads, point your web browsers to the joke of an "angry" web site www.blah3.com for an answer. If you can stand it.
More than likely, "Stranger" is the faux poster.
Now we can deploy the term "loser."
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Oh and Dave Patterson? We totally understand that your are a virgin and we totally support that "decision"! You should be so proud of that in this Godless age! We totally support you and we have SO many friends that are virgins! One thing a lot of our virgin friends do to support our Dad's re-election campaign is to come down to the ranch in Crawford, actually about 15 or 20 miles outside the perimeter of the ranch and we've got like a little tent city set up and there's computers to the Internet and you can totally go to blogs and discussion boards on the Internet and let those people know how you feel about our Dad! And there's a cot for you to sleep on and it's totally a single because you know you need to stick to your guns on the virgin thing but guess what? You can meet a nice girl in our tent city like this one girl Hortense who you totally can't tell has a hairlip at all! And there's beans and grits in the morning and on every other Sunday a tour of the ranch but only when we're away at college because you know, you're cool and all but, like, as if! So Dave Patterson you should totally come to live in our virgin tent city and troll liberal websites for stale beans!
"LJ" or whomever:
David Patterson
1412 Fifteenth St., N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20005-1916
(202) 232-7823
Drinks at seven?
What was that friendfinder ID again?
Party at Dave's house!!
I already had your address narrowed down to that, or one other.
Hm. Interesting he gave ME the invitation for drinks, isn't it?
WooHOO I'll bring the bong!
David Patterson is lonely and wants attention. We should ignore him!
Y'know, they ought to put that transcript through one of the programs that school and college teachers now use to check for plagiarism. And use Bush's speeches and the BC04 PR material as the corpus. I bet that a fuckload of soundbite lines would be picked up. And I want to hear interviews with any 22-y-os who actually watched the session, and see what they think.
"If Dad said he was going to come to one of our soccer games, he would be there," they wrote. "Even his critics can't argue that he is a steadfast leader who means what he says and acts with resolve."
What Piggly and Wiggly actually said? 'If Dad said he was going to come to one of our soccer games, he would be there. So it's not fair to call him an asshole for that.'
One final point to ponder: Lynndie England is a year younger than the Bush twins. She joined up... to get money for college. Had Jenna and Babs grown up in West Virginia, they might have been the ones holding that leash. They've shown the temperament to treat rules as there to be broken.
Hm. Interesting he gave ME the invitation for drinks, isn't it?
Yeah, but you sound a lot hotter than I do.
Of course you don't understand, Patterson. That's your problem, right there.
You seem to believe that you're matching this entire forum witticism for witticism, and you're too stubborn/vain/stupid to realize that you're the joke here.
And here I am explaining it to you. The layers of your lack of comprehension pile up one on top of the other, and still you think you're being clever.
You're a joke. You're the joke. Clear now, dimwit?
And one more thing, Patterson. Thanks for the hits to the blog.
No doubt that content went right over your pointy little faux-intellectual nog as well.
You'll never get it, son. Ever.
Dave,
I got a cool new hookah - seats four - can I bring it to the party?
Um, no, "stranger," I'm not. Could you please steal my name and compose the response you'd like to hear?
"...but I can totally remember that he was rubbing her leg but it was totally like plutonic."
Man, that is THE MOST spot on, descriptive typo I have ever seen!
Plutonic, indeed!
Being flamed by David Patterson is like being hit on the head with a sack of lace doilies.
Yes, rather like a soft tap! Or like being dressed down by a field mouse.
I ask again, if we're all so morally deficient DP, why are you here? You can't even manage to make anyone mad. How pathetic!
Scott, even a 40 year old doesn't think of Paul Simon music as rock. Trust me on this. I didn't even think Paul Simon was rock when I was a teenager.
Y'know, they ought to put that transcript through one of the programs that school and college teachers now use to check for plagiarism.
Good idea. Hold on...
Y'know, they ought to put that transcript through one of the programs that school and college teachers now use to check for plagiarism.
Good idea. Hold on...
I'm bringin the stap-on.
Drinks at seven?
Well, you can get that information from people.yahoo.com. No biggie. Now pay the $10 for a background check and find out what you do for a living.
Is this your house, David?
Heck, DP is offering drinks at his place. Do I go?
Of course, explaining to my husband why I'm going to DC for drinks with another man in his home might present a problem, but I'm creative. I'm sure I'll think of something.
Heck, Mr LJ might let me go, if I promise to viddy the encounter. He does like a good comedy.
Scott, even a 40 year old doesn't think of Paul Simon music as rock. Trust me on this. I didn't even think Paul Simon was rock when I was a teenager.
How about Rubber Soul?
BTW. Paul Simon is utterly dorky and his lyrics are cliched but somehow his music works.
Party at Daves house! yeehah!
Of course, explaining to my husband why I'm going to DC for drinks with another man in his home might present a problem, but I'm creative. I'm sure I'll think of something.
Can't take Dave up because I'm in Seattle. But since it's 97 fucking degrees here it might as well be DC. Yikes.
Patterson,
By all means, speak for yourself. Lord knows this thread isn't full up enough with your inane spew already.
As for your name - I'm done using it. It was all clammy and slimy and slightly cold and wet and smelly when I used it that one time (okay, two times), and I wouldn't want to experience anything that disgusting twice.
But feel free to harp on that one point for the rest of the night. It may help you ignore the fact that 20 posters here are cold kicking your puny ass.
I think all of you need to go with me. The idea of an intimate encounter--
I'm callling my doctor. I don't have enough Vicodin to deal with that image.
Stap-ons? There's gonna be stap-ons?
>The twins could have typed those responses. I am 20 years old, and I could have written those sentences in high school.. yes, even in a "live" chat.
>Bush is clueless, but that doesn't mean his daughters are morons.
I agree.
But come on people, the twins sat down, probably with snacks, and _dictated_ that stuff to a Rove-picked GOP editor (and typist and proofreader and line editor.)
The editor picked the questions, suggested some stuff to the twins and then the _team_ wrote/edited the responses. Think celeb. ghost written bio, not Jenna and Barbara slogging through a UT/Yale composition class.
It's pretty interesting that Rove Co. is pushing these on-line interviews for the campaign. Whitehouse.gov is running a couple of them a week. It's an easy way to pour out highly refined narrow band juice to their base. And, since _they_ publish the stuff they can recycle it as necessary.
But feel free to harp on that one point for the rest of the night. It may help you ignore the fact that 20 posters here are cold kicking your puny ass.
You miss the point of trolling. If he's got "20 people kicking his ass" then he's getting a lot of responses.
And he's rerailing the thread so he's actually winning.
Patterson's a decent troll, traditional and derivative in method (he does the I'm independently wealthy thing) but he's got decent skills. He recovers nicely. He keeps a lot of people occupied. And he gets them to respond.
Nah, I know what he's doing, SWR.
Half-decent troll or glutton for punishment? A tossup, if you ask me.
Goin' to bed, the liquor's wearing off.
'Night, Patterson. Ya big dope.
He keeps a lot of people occupied. And he gets them to respond. SWR
I think a lot of people are having as much fun with him. I mean how much can you say about the Bush twins? And why would we really want to discuss them?
No, but that's a cool website. That's an office building at 14th and L, across the street is the HQ for the AMA, and behind it, on the other side of the parking lot, is the national HQ for the SEIU. To balance it all out though, on the opposite corner is a recruiting office for the U.S. Army, and down the street is where you can sign up for the Secret Service, if that's your cup of tea...
One final point to ponder: Lynndie England is a year younger than the Bush twins.
I think my brain just blew a fuse.
SWR:
Well, the Woodruff issue is kinda flogging dead horses. She's what she is, and she's not gonna change.
It's Friday. Let's have fun?
You're right, SWR. (Except for the "decent" part)
G'night all.
Pleasant dreams.
Oh crap. I mean the twins thing is also a dead horse. I have two Haloscan windows open here. LOL
Student teachers who are studying at George Washington University are assigned a supervisor who visits with them about once a week to observe them and document their competency.
The interns also receive feedback from the teacher with whom they work in the classroom, says David Patterson, who is earning a master's degree in math education. He is being mentored by Donna Erickson, who teaches math at Annandale High School. He has been working with her since September.
Although Mr. Patterson, 24, feels as though he was well-prepared to teach in a real classroom, he says none of his book work compares to actually working with students.
For instance, on a regular day, some students need to make up work because they were absent. Although curveballs such as this may throw off the plan for the day, Mr. Patterson says, he needs to be flexible with his students while making sure he covers all the necessary material.
"I show the students respect," he says. "In showing that I respect them, it usually works out that they return the respect to me. ... You definitely have to try to lead by example."
-Washington Times, 1/25/04
Mommy! Mr. Patterson says I have a "hissy cock-walk!"
Half-decent troll or glutton for punishment? A tossup, if you ask me.
No. He's a decent troll.
A non troll would have been "Tim" in the other thread. He turned tail and ran as soon as he outed himself as a racist.
Patterson would have simply come up with some lame, shameless response and continued.
The classic troll in Patterson's style wouldn't be an independently wealthy teacher, he'd be a Stanford MBA with a VC funded start up who's married to an underwear model and has a 12 inch penis.
Perhaps Patterson is a troll for the recession era. He feels a bit guilty about his imagined money. There's no underwear model, just a classroom filled with underprivilaged kids.
Could it be that Bush era trolls are kinder and gentler than Clinton era trolls?
You know what I have to say is strange? I admit that when I'm here, I assume that almost all the other posters are men. I have no idea why I think this, but I do. It's quite a shock to discover that someone I thought was male is in fact a woman . . .
Uh, LJ, this is the bush twins comments- must be havin' a bit too much fun eh? wink, wink. what with that pass by David
Man either my typing is slow or its haloscan
You know what I have to say is strange? I admit that when I'm here, I assume that almost all the other posters are men. I have no idea why I think this, but I do. It's quite a shock to discover that someone I thought was male is in fact a woman . . .
Perhaps you've trolled as a woman on other boards and assume all women are really men?
Oh, David. Don't tell me you're disappointed that I'm a girl.
Did you WANT me to be a man? Well, I know a way to get around that, not the same of course, but I'm afraid you'll have to find someone else to do that for you.
No imagination: See above. I forgot which was which. LOL
And he's rerailing the thread so he's actually winning.
That's true, but this is kind of a light-hearted thread. After 100 responses, a thread starts to wander anyway.
Hell, from what I can tell, I like the Bush twins. They just seem like a couple of hell raising college age party girls to me. Thats what makes the cyborg responses in the Wonkette post so silly. Too bad Patterson can't see the humor in this. But I think he's overdue for an oil change.
BTW. Paul Simon is utterly dorky and his lyrics are cliched but somehow his music works.
I never really liked it. Didn't like the Dead either.
Rubber Soul, do you mean the Beatles album? that's before my time. Actually the first real album I ever got was Sgt. Pepper.
My mom had no clue about all the drug references.
Well, no, I don't want to you be anything you're not (see "stranger," above). I'm simply being honest. Sorry . . .
Hell, from what I can tell, I like the Bush twins.
You've got Paris and Nicole. Who needs the Bush twins. Two rich bimbos are enough for one media.
Wow, David can't imagine that people aren't exactly like him.
Rubber Soul, do you mean the Beatles album? that's before my time. Actually the first real album I ever got was Sgt. Pepper.
I've never quite gotten this. I was born after Rubber Soul was released, yet it's not before my time.
I suppose Mozart was before my time too?
David:
It's okay. You wouldn't be the first to make that mistake about someone online.
Despite our differences, let us share a laugh:
http://tinyurl.com/49qfql
Rubber Soul, do you mean the Beatles album? that's before my time.
One of my earliest memories is walking up Central Park West with my parents and hearing Rubber Soul coming out of one of the ground floor windows.
Absolutely one of my best childhood memories.
but I'm afraid you'll have to find someone else to do that for you.
I'm here for ya David, assume the position!
My brother's the Paul Simon fan in the family, though he feels Rhymin' Simon's quality suffered as the '80s wore on. However, Graceland is a masterpiece of modern folk pop, the best example therein since probably Blood On The Tracks and not equaled until Tracy Chapman's debut album.
Now, if you want unimpressive structure and trite, cliched lyrics in the world of sensitive singer-songwriters (rapidly becoming the bane of my musical existence), let me introduce you to James Taylor...
Oh, here's where the stap-on comes in.
Susan Kildow from Holly Springs NC wrote:As young women who embody the future of our nation, how important do you believe character to be when choosing a candidate and how does your dad stack up?
Barbara and Jenna Bush answered:Well, Susan, to us character is the most vital part of being an excellent leader. While we may be a little biased because he is our dad, we think - well, we KNOW -- that our Dad is a man of strong and principled character. If he says he is going to do something, he will do it. When we were kids, if dad said he was going to come to one of our soccer games, he would be there! And now even his critics can't argue that he is a steadfast leader who means what he says and acts with resolve. At the same time, he always treats everyone he meets with dignity and respect.
idiocy. maybe they meant that bush's critics can't argue that he's NOT a steadfast leader. right? why are they suddenly unallowed to argue he's steadfast? i thought the major criticism was that bush was a) steadfast, b) resolved, and c) wrong. and it's one i agree with.
The tiny URL didn't work.
Now, if you want unimpressive structure and trite, cliched lyrics in the world of sensitive singer-songwriters (rapidly becoming the bane of my musical existence), let me introduce you to James Taylor...
I can get into just about anything from the 60s and 70s.
That "I've seen fire and I've seen rain" song can often make me sob out loud.
Christ, if I only listened to music that wasn't "before my time", I'd have an awfully thin CD collection. I've got a running battle with one of the sweet young thangs at work (all of 18, bless her little heart) who constantly "reminds" me that there was "music worth listening to made after 1963". I tell her, "Of course. Motorhead, for example", which she can't quite figure out.
Argh. I hit a key after it.
http://tinyurl.com/49qfq
Oh, here's where the stap-on comes in.
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Re: The Shattered Glass thread.
Anybody see "Boys Don't Cry?" Same actress who plays the snotty editor plays the duped chick.
Nice reverse Crying Game movie and from what I've seen of small town Amerka, it's dead on.
Plagiarism report on Jenna & Barb came up clean.
Which I'm sure is more than could be said for their urine!
(Thanks folks! I'm here all week! Try the meatloaf!)
Christ, if I only listened to music that wasn't "before my time", I'd have an awfully thin CD collection. I've got a running battle with one of the sweet young thangs at work (all of 18, bless her little heart) who constantly "reminds" me that there was "music worth listening to made after 1963".
When I lived in NJ, everybody in their early 20s seemed to be into 60s/70s classic rock. Pretty scary how many 21 year old Allman Bros and Neil Young fans there were.
Beats "Modest Mouse" though.
Funny.
(But I still look more like Natasha!)
Dave. You claim to be from DC, but how come you're always on this board on West Coat time?
Are you staying up late on school nights and depriving your kids of a rested teacher?
David:
We have a problem. I look like neither!
SWR,
It is sorta funny how many kids are into classic rock. It helps continuate the myths that all good music was made back then and/or modern music sucks, neither of which are fully true. The answer to both those questions is a hearty, "Dude, you're not listening to the right stuff." There was a lot more Gentle Giant in the '70s than there was Lynyrd Skynyrd, if you know what I mean.
Full disclosure: I was a classic rock true believer in high school. Then I discovered stuff not written up endlessly in guitar magazines - and realized how unimportant the Kick-Ass Solo really is to a song - and nowadays, with few exceptions, most "classic rock" is boring. I still get a kick out of hearing The Outlaws' "There Goes Another Love Song" or Humble Pie's "Thirty Days In The Hole", but really...how much Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin do we really need? And would it kill programmers to play a Skynyrd song that wasn't "Sweet Home Alabama" or "Free Bird"?
It is sorta funny how many kids are into classic rock. It helps continuate the myths that all good music was made back then and/or modern music sucks, neither of which are fully true.
Well, people in NJ anyway.
In the slightly hipper parts of the country people in their early 20s always seem to be looking for the next big "obscure" thing.
At least kids in the suburbs are honest.
Backslider:
That is exactly my beef with Classic Rock--the monotony. There are so many great songs of that era, but they get zero play. It's almost always the Greatest Hits package, like Foxy Lady or Purple Rain for Hendrix. Not Are You Experienced or Voodoo Chile--or take your pick of Hendrix. Although the Hendrix Greatest Hits album contained "Stone Free," which I don't think I've ever heard on the radio after the 70s...
Full disclosure: I was a classic rock true believer in high school.
One girl I knew (about 21) had seen "Dazed and Confused" like 20 or 30 times. She had memorized every line from it. And she would only listen to classic rock.
Seemed to be subconsciously living through her parents.
Then you have all these musicians (eg Norah Jones) in their early/mid 20s playing easy listening music for old people.
What's really sad here (apart from the obvious) is why the Bush campaign team felt the need to
Anyone who's grown up with chatrooms and IM and the web has an ear for anything that sounds weird and pre-written and spun. It'd have been much better for Babs & Jenna to have just been allowed to be themselves: wing it, perhaps say a couple of dumb things. Guess what? They're allowed to say dumb things. They're allowed to be off-message occasionally.
Because people can cope with the idea that 22-year-olds straight out of college don't talk online like press releases. They have the nuh-uhs when something that's meant to be spontaneous and chatty doesn't turn out that way.
Potemkin chat sessions. Who'da thunk it?
how much Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin do we really need?
One of my favorite lyrics ever is from the last Jawbreaker album, in a song about being at a sucky party:
Went into the living room
Someone was blasting Zeppelin
Sounded good
I felt ashamed
I knew every drum fill
Sort of wryly summed up the whole getting older experience for me, right there.
I love it when right-wing assholes get all righteous about the dignity of women, brown-skinned people and the like.
Just 'cuz I'm a woman and a liberal don't mean I don't know a skank when I see one, David.
And Jenna looks like one nasty rich skank.
One of my favorite lyrics ever is from the last Jawbreaker album, in a song about being at a sucky party:
I was never very social in my teens/early 20s (spent most of it listening to classical) so my popular music tastes get very weird.
I'm probably the only person in the world alive who's listened to Heather Nova's "Walk This World" video over 5000 times via a Kaaza download.
Just 'cuz I'm a woman and a liberal don't mean I don't know a skank when I see one, David.
And Jenna looks like one nasty rich skank.
Just because I'm a white guy doesn't mean I don't know a dickhead when I see one.
And Jenna's dad.....
I suppose Mozart was before my time too?
SWR
That's not what I meant, ya big goof.
It just came out before I was old enough to really be paying attention to music. It's not an album that I have a huge emotional attachment to, not like some other things.
It's funny how music evokes almost a primal response in people- what some people love, others could take or leave. Almost all of the songs I loved growing up I still love. (I did get over the Monkees however. Hey, I was 8, so sue me.)
We lived in California in the 60's when everything was happening- it was the Doors and Cream and Steppenwolf and the Stones... one of my best memories of Southern California is of a street fair at a local shopping center one summer evening. It was set up in the parking lot, and as evening came on they set up an area with a sound system and the older kids were all dancing. I just remember standing there watching (I was about 10) in the dusk while they danced to Satisfaction. Way cool.
I'll never get Paul Simon, but I do like James Taylor. I'd rather die than sit through a whole set of Jackson Brown.
Maybe one of the nicer perks of being a little older is that we actually grew up with some of the great early rock- not that I think younger guys (girls) can't appreciate it, it's just not the same thing. And we get to like the new stuff too. Not that I could even tell you who's hot these days.
It's funny how music evokes almost a primal response in people- what some people love, others could take or leave. Almost all of the songs I loved growing up I still love. (I did get over the Monkees however. Hey, I was 8, so sue me.)
When I was in junior high, I used to have a huge emotional attachment for Styx and Journey.
I got over it.
Don't stop believin.
I did.
Conversely, when I was in college, Springsteen was very uncool because of the Born in the USA album, so I pretended not to like him lest my girlfriend think I was uncool and right wing.
Now I think "Darkness on the Edge of Town" is one of the best albums ever made.
See, this is definitely Jenna:
I will answer this one and am so glad you asked because I love Spain and could probably talk about it for hours. I lived and did a study abroad program in Cádiz, Spain (a beautiful beach town in Andalucia) when I was sixteen and fell in love with the Spanish culture. I love the relaxed atmosphere and attitude that everyone has; I love the amazing tapas and beautiful flamenco music. Okay, I am feeling very nostalgic for Spain...
Chatrooms are writing as talking. That's a 22-year-old talking.
[Anyway, I have friends who used to be at UT in Austin, and they had plenty of Jenna goss.]
And even fuller disclosure, this is coming from a guy who's record collection consists mainly of old country, rock & roll, R&B, blues and soul music...and who's trying to form an R&B-based rock band that falls somewhere between The Faces, MC5 and Swamp Dogg.
But even so, the problem with the classic rock format, as LJ said, is the monotony and the sameness. Sure, every now and then one will break away and play something odd - the classic rock station in Florence, Alabama (where my bro went to college) would play Dave Edmunds' version of "Sabre Dance" from time to time.
And this isn't to say that modern mainstream radio rock doesn't suck most egregiously. It does, loud and long. Horrid structures, vapid lyrics, limp attitude and absolutely no individuality whatsoever...the ones that aren't whiny suburban white kids are the "hipper-than-thou" irony-rockers taking their cues from Motley Crue, like The Darkness. If it's not pissing and whining about how unfair their life is and how no one "understands" their "pain", it's bullshit, thinly veiled mysoginy. And Elvis save me from singer-songwriter types who's enitre ovure consists of limp whines about girls that won't fuck them.
And Norah Jones is the female Harry Connick Jr.
Sorry...seemed to have wandered off there for a bit.
we get to like the new stuff too. Not that I could even tell you who's hot these days
Well, Modest Mouse, The Strokes and Postal Service come highly recommended.
Or so I hear.
What was that line from Triumph the Insult Comic Dog about The Strokes? "You guys are so cute! Just like Muppets with a drinking problem!"
Or something along those lines.
how much Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin do we really need?
Umm, as much as possible.
You're right that the best songs don't get airplay- but that's what an iPod is for.
I almost never hear my favorite Stones song on the radio- Gimme Shelter.
Thersites, I know exactly what you mean. I met Robert Plant in NY about 10 years ago. And damn, he's old. He was still cool though.
Thersites,
It was "The Monkees with a drinking problem". Gotta love Triumph...
Gotta love Triumph...
I reserve the right not to love bad 80s hair metal bands.
SWR,
Different Triumph, brother...but otherwise, I'm with you. Amusingly enough, there's a serious swell of nostalgia for the hair farmer days of yore, ironically from the punk rock crowd. I can't tell you how many PUNK FUCKIN' RAWK bands I've heard in the past year cover "Too Fast For Love" or "Cum On Feel The Noize".
But then, punk rock is just hair metal with different clothes and less guitar wanking.
But then, punk rock is just hair metal with different clothes and less guitar wanking.
Yeah but you can't move back and forth on stage and get your mohawks to swing back and forth in unison the way a good hair metal band could.
>Potemkin chat sessions. Who'da thunk it?
Rove has been pushing these for a while. It's one of the key GOP internet strategies. Sure, _lots_ of people do chat. Sure, lots of PR people handle chat. Sure, it's been going on more or less under the radar. And, sure, it's nothing new. Rove has refined it brilliantly and established a "team" approach for on-line chats. Hey, maybe George and Barbara can do it too?
[Anyway, I have friends who used to be at UT in Austin, and they had plenty of Jenna goss.]
I've heard quite a few stories myself.
Back to music- I've never been into Springsteen, don't know why. It just doesn't move me.
Agree with you about Nora Jones backslider. Boring.
I'm going to have to get on a plane soon.
If I see the Syrian musicians, any requests?
You think they can play "Comeon Feel the Noise?"
Agree with you about Nora Jones backslider. Boring.
Otherwise known as "Snorah Jones."
SWR,
Most of the punk kids I run across are skinheads or have fairly closely-cropped 'dos. There's a couple dudes (and one chick, if memory serves) in town with the big, tall fish-tail mohawk cookin'. I'm sorry, I simply refuse to take anyone who spends that much time on their hair too seriously.
Thanks, Backslider. I knew an "M" was involved somewhere.
I've sort of come out the other side of the "Zeppelin arc": thinking Jimmy Page was the Greatest Guitar Player Ever (which may not be strictly true), to being way too cool to listen to them, to ironic somewhat snotty & condescending appreciation in order to piss off ultrahip friends, to thinking, yeah, some awesomely stupid lyrics but also some pretty catchy hooks, not entirely bad to hear blasting at a party, especially considering that someone could put on something much, much worse any minute.
What the hell. Once I got over this thing where I was always wondering what other people might think of me because of what I listened to, and actually started listening to stuff, it was like putting down a big heavy suitcase I had no idea I had been carrying around for years.
If that makes sense.
I'm sorry, I simply refuse to take anyone who spends that much time on their hair too seriously.
Yep. There are also piercings and tatoos to worry about.
Are we sure it wasn't them when this happened? They might have been sober afterall?
MYOB'
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When it comes to technical percision, Page is a shit guitarist, but the man has boatloads of cool and attitude. He's like Keith Richards in that he makes his limitations work for him rather than against him.
I was a major Zep fan in high school and college. Then, basically, I got tired of listening to them. I got the 10-disc boxset with all the studio albums, and I bet you I haven't cracked that thing open in almost two years. If I wanna hear "Wearin' & Tearin'" or "Misty Mountain Hop" or "Houses Of The Holy", I'll download it, listen then delete it.
I hear where you're coming from, Thersites. My life got much more pleasent when I dropped the hipsterness that's inherent in all music critics and just gave into my likes. Hank Jr. George Thorogood. '80s country. So forth and so on. Nothing infuriates me more to be at some vinyl-loving doofus hipster who has Second Helping or Powerage because it's "so funny" to own them. Same thing, frankly, with people who own disco or cheesy '80s pop for it's "humor value". Pet peeve of mine.
Once I got over this thing where I was always wondering what other people might think of me because of what I listened to, and actually started listening to stuff, it was like putting down a big heavy suitcase I had no idea I had been carrying around for years.
That makes perfect sense. I absolutely cop to listening to whatever the hell I like. Fuck what everyone else thinks.
Actually I've always kind of been that way. No wonder I'm always in trouble.
What the hell. Once I got over this thing where I was always wondering what other people might think of me because of what I listened to, and actually started listening to stuff, it was like putting down a big heavy suitcase I had no idea I had been carrying around for years.
If that makes sense.
It does. I call it making peace with your past.
I like to listen to stuff that probably nobody else likes. And I don't care. As 4LG said, that's what iPods are for. Load up what you like, without apology. If someone doesn't like you over your musical choices, then the hell with them. It's your life. Listen to what you like.
Oh--the next Newsweek's cover story is about the iPod. Let's face it, the iPod has changed everything. I don't leave home without mine. Ever.
My friends and I sometimes play a game where we'll put on a classic rock station, and turn the volume up for a split second, then play "Name That Tune." I can usually get four out of five...my proudest moment was identifying a live Cheap Trick song by a millisecond of the audience noise BEFORE it started. But I've gotten 'em from single snare beats, too.
Which is weird, because I basicially have no use for rock music at all...despite having given it "the best years of my life," as Mac Davis would say, by spending a solid decade in touring bands.
Re: Led Zeppelin, if I could remix their albums and remove Robert Plant's vocals, I'd think they were great. But that guy's hippy-dippy yammering gives me a fucking migraine every time. Didn't they want Terry Reid, originally? I would've found that easier to take. I do like old AC/DC albums though. And Motorhead. But the lack of guitar solos in punk was a real attraction to me as an ornery teen...
When it comes to technical percision, Page is a shit guitarist,
I think he's a miserable lead guitarist, but some of his chording is really interesting (especially from HOTH on).
But I agree with you...I like stuff because I like it, and I really don't care what anyone else thinks. On the other hand, that causes problems for me because sometimes I'll come down on something really hard and forget that some people are more emotionally invested in it...whereas for me it's more like talking about food: "You like bananas? Ugh, I can't stand them!"
The whole ironic distance thing with music is a nightmare though. I might own some albums people think of as "kitsch," but it's because I actually like them...SERIOUSLY like them. That "so bad it's good" thing really doesn't cut it with me...
Same thing, frankly, with people who own disco or cheesy '80s pop for it's "humor value". Pet peeve of mine.
The worst, agreed.
A whole bunch of people breathed a sigh of relief when Spin magazine (spring 1989) declared that not all disco sucked. Not long after that, somebody would slip a Vicki Sue Robinson or Earth, Wind and Fire tune onto the turntable at just about every party I went to.
And I thought...You chickens--t mofos. You made fun of me for not denouncing EWF as "just another disco band."
A whole bunch of people breathed a sigh of relief when Spin magazine (spring 1989) declared that not all disco sucked.
I have that disco box 4-cd set thing. There's a lot of good stuff on it. And it's cheerful and sincere-sounding, too. It's really pretty OK stuff.
The only forms of music I'm willing to say are completely without value are fusion and new age. Every other genre's got at least a couple of songs/artists I can enjoy...
I know how tough it is to accept the notion that black and poor people should be able to choose their kids' schools, but there it is . . .
I'm always amazed when the right trots out school vouchers as a way to help poor people. It's as if they don't understand elementary concepts like supply and demand. Do they really think poor people will be able to afford the new tuitions at good private schools after they're all given vouchers?
Phila:
When I listen to more than a few disco tunes, I feel sad. It just seems so incredibly naive to me now. I mean, succumbing to all your desires and partying and having fun and just living in the moment--with no concern about the consequences. The initial glow of revisiting fun memories turns sour soon enough, when I realize what happened to so many of my friends from those memories who were that naive.
Patriotboy:
The dumber people are, the easier they are to control, manipulate and exploit.
I'll cop to liking some disco. I always liked Earth, WInd and Fire. Happy music. Fun times to live through too.
I like a lot of 80's pop too. It's either good or it's not. And when it's great, it really puts a chill down your back, and who can explain why?
I'm with you guys though, it doesn't bother me if someone else likes it, or if they don't like what I like.
Kind of like raisins. I freaking hate raisins. Who knows why.
The only forms of music I'm willing to say are completely without value are fusion and new age.
There's an old Mystery Science Theater sketch about how to make your own new age music; (unless I'm misremembering the joke and totally off) you play one synthesizer chord for seven minutes, and then you collect royalty checks.
Last week I was in the grocery store and heard a muzak version of the Replacements song "Skyway." I wondered what it meant that they were now doing muzak versions of Replacements songs.
I hate raisins too! All dried and most cooked fruit, to be honest.
And olives. And avocadoes. And potatoes. And beets. And turnips (who likes those, honestly?). And yogurt--any kind.
It just seems so incredibly naive to me now. I mean, succumbing to all your desires and partying and having fun and just living in the moment--with no concern about the consequences.
I tell my nieces and other youngsters that they totally missed out. Kids can't go out and party and be promiscuous anymore. Experimenting can kill you now.
I find that incredibly sad.
Thersites:
Honey, I was in the grocery store and heard a muzak "Do Ya Think I'm Sexy?" I started laughing and couldn't stop. Mr LJ thought I'd lost it.
That was almost as weird as hearing the muzak "Funkytown" in an elevator.
You hate avocados? really? no guacamole! ay carrumba!
When I was growing up I called raisins "roach bodies." It drove my mother crazy because she liked to put them in cookies. After a while she couldn't eat them either.
I hated beets. And cottage cheese.
Jeez, I wish Mystery Science Theatre was still on. It's the perfect "in the middle of the night watch in a stupor" show.
Phila:
When I listen to more than a few disco tunes, I feel sad.
I agree completely. But I don't mind feeling sad in that way, sometimes.
But as someone who listens to a lot of stuff from 1900-1930...it's kind of the same deal. Very joyous and very much of the moment...but when you read about how someone like Bix Beiderbecke died, it's pretty goddamn gruesome.
I'm lucky...despite having been in "the biz" for a pretty long time, I don't actually have too many acquaintances who died from sheer excess, and no close friends (knock on wood).
Still, there are a lot of kinds of music I have to be in the mood for before I listen, and having to listen to sparingly, because the associations are just too tragic to me...so I know where you're coming from.
Yeah, they did miss out. But then they miss out on all those "What was I thinking????" moments, too.
So I guess it evens out...
No, I don't eat guacamole Nothing can make the smell, and more importantly the TEXTURE, of avocadoes palatable to me. As if the color alone isn't a clue that we weren't meant to eat day-glo food.
I hate raisins too! All dried and most cooked fruit, to be honest.
And olives. And avocadoes. And potatoes. And beets. And turnips (who likes those, honestly?). And yogurt--any kind.
Ha! I like all of 'em! (well, as a vegan I technically can't eat yogurt...although WholeSoy makes an excellent fake one).
Actually, I hated avacadoes until recently, but enjoy 'em now provided they're very firm.
But potatoes? I think you're the first person I've "met" who doesn't like them. (If we were talking about bands, I'd have to say "Potatoes are the best food in the history of the world and all other tubers suck! Potatoes 4-ever!")
I use to run sound for a hard rock band. This was back in the Eighties before Kiss made their makeupless comeback. The band did a couple if their songs--"Detroit Rock City" and "Rock and Roll All Night." If they mentioned Kiss before they played the songs, people would complain and sometimes boo. If they didn't, the audience would go apeshit and love it.
I was a lot of fun. Once we did a Mew Years Eve gig in Delta, UT. It was in a cowboy bar just like the one in the Blues Brothers. Cowboys with hats and big belt buckles were screaming for country music. The closest the band could come to it was the Who's "Behind Blue Eyes." I thought we were going to be killed, but the Cowboys all left, and after we played a set to an empty room, the rock lovers started to show up--they had heard the cowboys complaining all over town.
The new crowd was very appreciative because they could even get a rock radio station in that godforsaken place.
LOL
Yep, I hate potatoes.
I used to eat them, then I quit eating them for a while after realizing--my god, do we have to have potatoes with every dang meal? So I made this pact not to eat any for a while, to try some other things. And now, I can't stand them at all.
But I'm no vegan. Half the vegetables (and a good portion of the grains) out there, I'm allergic to, and too many of the other half I hate (the previous list of food hates was by no means complete--did I mention I hate raw tomatoes). Life would be way too boring if I couldn't eat meat.
When I listen to more than a few disco tunes, I feel sad.
I'm saddened when I see the rock gods of my youth playing to a few hundred people at my local fair. I saw Foghat do that a few years back. There was maybe a hundred balding, middle-aged, guys with beer bellies in the audience pumping their fists to "Slow Ride." I had seen them in a sold out show at the Salt Palace twenty years earlier--it was the first Rock Concert I ever attended. It all seemed so pathetic at the fair.
I imagine I'll feel the same way when Styx comes this year. That is until they play "Mr Roboto." Then, I'll laugh with the realization that they deserve it.
But I'm no vegan. Half the vegetables (and a good portion of the grains) out there, I'm allergic to, and too many of the other half I hate (the previous list of food hates was by no means complete--did I mention I hate raw tomatoes). Life would be way too boring if I couldn't eat meat.
Yeah, some people can't swing it. No skin off my nose...I think one of the worst things about veganism generally is that so many vegans are so goddamned militant and holier-than-thou. The diet works out nicely for me...but to each his or her own! I've never been out to win "converts."
The only thing that bothers me sometimes is when people get all grossed out by, say, slaughterhouse footage...it's just that same kind of congnitive dissonance that drives me crazy in so many other political arenas. Other than that, I'm one of these kooky "freedom of conscience people. An America-hater, in other words.
I wondered what it meant that they were now doing muzak versions of Replacements songs.
It probably means they rolled a wheelbarrow full of cash up to Paul Westerberg's front door.
You hate tomatoes? now that's just plain crazy.
I think tomatoes are food from the gods.
Nothing beats a good steak though. I'd die if I had to be a vegan.
That was almost as weird as hearing the muzak "Funkytown" in an elevator.
That's a song that I'd never admit to liking a few years back.
4LG:
I love cooked tomatoes. But the raw ones? Ick. It's no tomatoes on my Whataburger #5, every time.
But a great steak--MMMM.
My all-time favorite meal is steak and salad.
But I'm no vegan.
BTW, I hope our differing diets won't impede our ability to achieve previously unheard-of heights of sexual ecstacy in one another's arms.
Just to get you in the mood, here's one of my favorite piece of pornographic writing:
"Thus for a while their eloquence was mute and all they spoke was but with the eye and hand, yet so persuasively, by vertue of the intermutual unlimitedness of their visotactil sensation, that each part and portion of the persons of ei ther was obvious to the sight and touch of the persons of both. The visuriency of either, by ushering the tacturiency of both, made the attrectation of both consequent to the inspection of either. Here was it that passion was active and action passive, they both being overcome by other and each the conquerour. To speak of her hirquitalliency at the elevation of the pole of his microcosme or of his luxuriousness to erect a gnomon on her horizontal dyal, will perhaps be held by some to be expressions full of obscoeness and offensive to the purity of chaste ears..."
I think one of the worst things about veganism generally is that so many vegans are so goddamned militant and holier-than-thou.
Yeah, a lot of them remind me of some of the people who support a certain 3rd Party candidate who shall not be named. I'm like you--if that's what rocks your world, go for it.
The only thing that bothers me sometimes is when people get all grossed out by, say, slaughterhouse footage...it's just that same kind of congnitive dissonance that drives me crazy in so many other political arenas.
I guess growing up in Texas, with many years spent on a family farm, kinda made me immune to slaughterhouse gore. Dead animals were just part of my reality.
I feel no guilt whatsoever about dead chickens. I have no fondness for 'em live. Mean little shits, and they stink to the high heavens, too.
Heck, Phila, after what I've done with REPUBLICANS, do you really think a vegan would turn me off?
I think I'm gonna need a dictionary to get through that passage. It starts out well enough, though. Give me a day or two? LOL
I guess growing up in Texas, with many years spent on a family farm, kinda made me immune to slaughterhouse gore. Dead animals were just part of my reality.
Oh, my upbringing was almost nineteenth century as far as that goes. Root cellars, carcasses, neck wringing, hog butchering and so forth. I got fed up with it fter a while...but like I said, I can deal with anyone who knows the reality and accepts it...it's just tough when people are horribly squeamish, and yet militant about eating meat. That just seems like an unhealthy attitude, mentally.
You've had sex with Republicans? Yeesh. Lord knows I've woken up next to some people who shocked and appalled me...but I managed to avoid that particular perversion. I've slept with everyone from militant lesbians to homeless artistes to straitlaced midwestern schoolteachers...but none of 'em were Republicans!
Well, having finally polished off a full bottle of (vegan!) Syrah, it's obviously bedtime.
'Night, all!
Yep. Sex with Republicans. Some of the kinkiest men on earth. All that repression, I guess, but hey, made things interesting for me. It's the stuff that happens out of the sack that I can't stand with them.
There's vegan wine...?
Where have I been?
Niters, Phila. I'll refrain from saying anything hopelessly naughty here. Just use your imagination.
Yep. Sex with Republicans. Some of the kinkiest men on earth.
Well, I don't know from men. But in terms of gals, I've known lots of kinky ones...but it seems like the difference is they were pretty comfortable and down-to-earth. Not that they necessarily had to broadcast their predilections to the world, but they definitely weren't repressed either. And above all, they had no interest in "regulating" other people's sex drives.
Then again, the most miserable and sexually unsatisfying relationship I ever had was with a stripper/lap dancer...so sexual openness doesn't necessarily = sanity and honesty!
Just use your imagination.
I did. And I just have to say I'm SHOCKED that you'd say something like that!
On the other hand...you came to the right place!
There's vegan wine...?
Yeah...there're a few brands that contain neither blood, nor fish scales, nor egg whites.
None of which I'd want in my goddamn wine even if I WEREN'T vegan.
Anyway, nighty-night once again.
LOL My, that is a wicked imagination you have.
As for the Republicans, I have to admit they weren't the current version of them. I called them "Pinstripe Republicans" then. The businessman, suit-and-tie Republicans. Lots of steam under those button-down collars.
Can't say I feel all that moved that Manchurian dialogue comes straight out of the next gen. Would just remind everyone that Limbaugh called Chelsea Clinton "Dogface" for all her formative years and she's still hotter than him...
Untitled:
I know it's a long thread, but I mentioned Rush's cruelty when someone tried to accuse us of inciting hate against the Bush twins. I also provided a link with a great picture of Chelsea, as she is today.
I almost never hear my favorite Stones song on the radio- Gimme Shelter.
Get OUTTA here. That's my favorite Stones song. Although I have a fondness for "Bitch," as well. Love the guitar riff.
A Van Morrison song i dedicate to the twins, from his infamous "Bang Demos";
Goodbye George
by Van Morrison
Goodbye George,
George, goodbye, goodbye.
You gotta go.
Too bad.
Goodbye, goodbye.
Goodbye.
Goodbye.
Here come
a-number forty-five
in Argentina baby.
Goodbye.
Wow they must have a spell and grammer checker that is at leat 100 times better tahn what I have with WORD. They must also have the typing skills of the best executive secretary in the world. And there keyboard is obviously better than mine (it has a slight stutter when it comes to spacing). On a casual read I didn't see a misplaced , or ; or a typo.
But beyond that I found two things that made me feel sorry for these overrich young women. 1st, the number of time they wrote we/us/our as opposed to I/me/my. You would think rich girls could afford to have an opinion that they didn't have to share with the sibs. We weren't rich when my sibs and I were growing up but we each had our own opinion.
2nd, they seem to be saying they could only count on their father showing up for their soccer games if he made them a promise to do so. Every now and then he would say, "My appointment book is free so I can be at your soccer game today"??? What's up with that?
Off topic--What is closing a tag?
I don't know if I am guilty of that or not. And if I have ever committed such an offensive act, would one of you all be kind enough to instruct me in the steps required to close said tag?
Edith Fuog from Miami FL wrote:
If you could only describe your father in one sentence, what would you say?
Barbara and Jenna Bush answered:
One sentence...Edith, that is a hard one! Okay: Our dad has given us an amazing life full of love and support and he lives his life respecting every individual he meets. Plus, he always keeps us and our Mom laughing. Oops! That's two sentences...sorry
hard question? i can answer in two words. Fuck'n dumb ass! oops! that's three words... sorry.
as the father of a daughter approx. the same age i can only say i am much more impressed by kerrys' daughters. the brunette one(name?) looks hot in a black dress, and vannessa rocks. i guess that is why they actually let her come out and speak for her father, while from jenna we get the tounge, what a freakn' spoiled brat.
Having once, at the stupifyingly precocious age of four years and three months, perused that extraordinarily jejune tome "Catcher in the Rye" and having promptly dismissed it and all of it's myriad and sundry pregnant question marks as beneath my independently wealthy (albeit incogitably and inequitably verbose and stunningly all- comprehending intellect), I am more than passingly familiar with the pathologically envious and overweaningly puerile minds of the sort of benighted and pitifully futile individuals who post on third rate cut-and-paste blogs to which I am, in my dedication to salubrious and salutiferous intervention unto the minds of those not unlike the poor and disadvantaged black twelve-year olds to which I daily minister, addicted. What is an independently wealthy genius to do?
What is an independently wealthy genius to do?
Kill yourself and fuck the body.
Way late in this thread but what the hey.
As I read the responses by the twins, I realized that the interdictions must have worked. They seemed extremely mature and free of the effects of clubbing, boozing and youthful angst. Their parents must be busting with pride for the demonstration these two young ladies put on.
I cannot help but wonder however if the constant "Yes Father Dearest?" refrains in the household are getting to them. Possibly the programming went too far. Likely not since it worked so well with Collin and the State Department. What is good for the country has to be good for the siblings.
Damn it is early.
Well, with the "Catcher in the Rye" reference, I am convinced that Dan Patterson is, in fact, Ackley kid. Is it any wonder he never gets laid and always writes stupid stuff?
why does the fat one look chinese? is neil involved in some way?
Yo David:
"Jejune"?
I was under the impression that Woody Allen (and Diane Keaton) had relegated that word to Great Pile Of Droppings Of The Terminally-Pretentious, long ago!
"Look, we're dealing with some moral imperatives, here . . ."
"Aaaach! That is so . . . jejune!"
"Jejune?!"
"Yes. Jejune. That is incredibly jejune."
"You're calling me 'jejune?' Me? You have the temerity to insinuate that I'm talkin' to you out of jejunosity? Look, I'm one of the most june guys in all the Russias."
(I'm guessing nobody in prep school ever required you to watch "Love And Death". Pity.)
I have thoroughly enjoyed this thread folks. I wish I wasn't such an old man such that I could have caught it real time, but I needs my sleep.
Anyway, the gang really rode old David Patterson hard and put his ass away wet last night. I laughed out loud several times. Mr. Patterson is really full of hisself, ain't he?
I am so impressed with the way the boy ends all his posts with a "." As was mentioned in the thread, David is an affected little poodle, isn't he?
This twins Q@A session cries out for a bad parody. Surprised none was attempted here. Keep us updated if one pops up somewhere else Atrios.
David is an affected little poodle, isn't he?
Yes.
If I were him, I'd be too embarrased to come back here again, though I'm sure he'll just shake it off and act like last night never happened.
Black and brown women are sent to jail and have their children taken away from them for behaving the way Jenna and Notjenna (props to Tbogg) behave. My roommate just tried to go to Canada and had to pay $500.00 to get into the country because he had a DUI on his record. How come Canadians have access to US DUI records and do Chimpy McFlopsweat and his drunken slatterns have to pay the Benjamins when they go and visit our blackmailing neighbor to the North? Just asking.
And turnips and beets (especially the greens) are delicious!!!
And please don't feed the trolls except maybe turnips and beets.
Conversely, when I was in college, Springsteen was very uncool because of the Born in the USA album, so I pretended not to like him lest my girlfriend think I was uncool and right wing.
Too bad so many people interpreted that song as mindless jingoism. Go read the lyrics sometime.
I hate it that the right co-opted that song. I also hate that Lee Jeans used an edited version of "Fortunate Son" and turned it into a flag-waving rock anthem to sell their jeans.
Considering how Saul Zaentz screwed Fogerty, I think Fogerty probably had nothing to do with the licensing of that song.
Wonkette can pull my legs (and any other part of my anatomy) anytime she wants.
It's quite a shock to discover that someone I thought was male is in fact a woman . . .
David Patterson
heh.
heh heh.
heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh!
Renato,
Yep, that is pretty funny about the "Born in the USA" deal. Kind of like way back when, folks thought if you listened to "Sympathy for the Devil" by the Stones, you were a devil worshipper.
Again, it would help if folks listened to the lyrics...
Who was the Reagan stooge that wanted to honor Springsteen for the song or some such only to have BREWWWWWCE put their shit in the street.
Did you ever hear Fogerty's paean to Saul Zaentz "Zaentz Can't Dance" only to get sued by the little prick?
If the twins pinned those responses then they did not come from the chimp’s loins.
If the twins pinned those responses then they did not come from the chimp’s loins.
Not that those two things are necessarily mutually exclusive.
Speaking of liking the music you like and screw the rest of the world...
Briefly, before I have to take off for a few hours...
Paula Abdul's first album . Fun bouncy pop music. It always cheers me right up. Of course, as an unapologetic dirty old man, I love her videos.
Springsteen, the early years. Come on, Born to Run was a classic the instant the electrons hit the iron oxide.
Phil Spector, the WALL OF SOUND, Ike and Tina. RIver Deep, Mountain High. This album is on God's iPod!
60's Motown. Don't matter who. If they were on Motown in the 60s, I'll listen to it and enjoy it.
The Who. The Beatles. The Stones. At their worst, they still beat the crap out of most of the "rock and roll" bands today.
Hendrix. Come on, Jimi at Montarey. Damn!
This was either:
A) FAKE
or
B) Exaggerated
If Barbara thinks that young people don't vote based on her college experience, then she wasn't any more awake than her father at Yale.
They voted like crazy since Dr. Dean was an undergrad there, and they still do.
The watchword there is that "everyone is apathetic," but that's only because everyone thinks that everyone else should be as passionate about their pet cause as they are.
And we all vote.
Those girls sure are good spellers, as well as flawless typists. I have never been able to do a live chat without at least one typo.
I seriously doubt they were typing their own responses. It's more likely that they were given the questions verbally (possibly over the phone) and dictating their responses to professional typists. I figure this because I've been on the typing end of chats like this. Then, any typos can be polished up before the transcript is actually published.
I do agree, though, that at least some of the questions were planted and the responses were waaay to rehearsed-sounding. Remember that photo of Jenna sticking her tongue out at the photographer just earlier this week? I have a hard time believing that such a brat could come up with such polished answers without a hell of a lot of coaching.
"I don't hate Laura; I just think she could have done a better job of choosing a mate. She could have chosen someone who wasn't a misanthropic lush."
--chica toxica
Yeah, but she narrowed the field of prospective mates down quite a bit in the process of driving on horse tranquilizers.
I especially got a kick out of the question about Bush's achievement that they were most proud of. It gave me a great idea. How about a sign on the White House lawn:
___ Days Without a Drunken Pretzel Incident
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