Seriously, while we all love atrios himself, I wouldn't mind seeing this turned into a group blog (esp Holden.)
not.holden.really.really.not.h |
07.24.04 - 8:24 pm | #
Naughty, naughty,
but, I did enjoyed the time with you four as well....
PeWi |
07.24.04 - 8:25 pm | #
mmmmmm...pie
Anyone got the odds that there's going to be anyone indicted in the Plaime deal?
Will the shrub actually be called out on his desertion by joe & jane america?
Pvt. Sal Paradise Christian, P |
07.24.04 - 8:27 pm | #
pie is wonderful.
now on to my rant. yahoo's got a news story up about protesters being angry because they are all the way across the street from the Fleet Center. And one of the people quoted in the article is Susan "Medea" Benjamin. That well known bastion of sanity.
Let's see what happens in September when the protesters are way out on the Westside Highway, nowhere near the convention. /rant.
thank you for listening.
shayera |
07.24.04 - 8:27 pm | #
Remember the Sorcerer's Aprentice?
Don't go wacking broomsticks!
That said...
Are we safer yet?
def |
Homepage |
07.24.04 - 8:28 pm | #
Not that we didn't know this.
Central Scrutinizer |
07.24.04 - 8:28 pm | #
Does anyone predict some "Big Surpirse" story this week to blunt coverage of the Dem Convention?
OBL defrosted? Or are the Pakistanis going to announce they have him surrounded for a few days?
Dick Cheney's pacemaker?
White powder at the _______?
Who has got the odds on the best distraction?
def |
Homepage |
07.24.04 - 8:30 pm | #
Pie:
Am I the only one having problems with the page loading? The left margin is being weird. I think the Paypal links are the problem. My Activity window says that the servers have expired.
LJ |
07.24.04 - 8:32 pm | #
Anyone got the odds that there's going to be anyone indicted in the Plaime deal?
John Dean on AAR this week said that he thinks the script-readers in the media won't be and aren't being protected in the grand jury process. Dean said that he thinks Fitzgerald is getting close to taking whatever the next step will be. He also said that he hears that someone who worked with Plame at the CIA and who now is in the Executive branch [can't remember right now exactly where he said that person worked] was one of the sources of the leak.
Anyone else hear Dean on Randi Rhodes's show?
monica_nyc |
07.24.04 - 8:33 pm | #
The idealistic dreamer in me wants to bet a huge pile of money on indictments in the Plame case. Lots and lots of indictments.
The realist in me remembers being burned several times by my inner optimist, so I'll make a small wager. Three indictments, tops. Not for Bush or Cheney.
The interesting question is, if Bush loses he'll grant pardons all around. What if (oh no!) he wins? He wouldn't pardon anyone for treasonous crimes while he's still in office, would he? Not even Dubya could be THAT ballsy.
1 year and 10 days and counting since Plame was outed.
Janie |
07.24.04 - 8:34 pm | #
mmmmmm...pie
Anyone got the odds that there's going to be anyone indicted in the Plaime deal?
Will the shrub actually be called out on his desertion by joe & jane america?
Pvt. Sal Paradise Christian, P |
07.24.04 - 8:34 pm | #
Never mind. I guess they went back up or something. Weird...
LJ |
07.24.04 - 8:34 pm | #
crap - sorry for derba post.
Pvt. Sal Paradise Christian, P |
07.24.04 - 8:35 pm | #
Well, the Plame Game is reaching its end game. Libby and Hadley are gone for sure. Rove will be getting a LOT of mention, but I think this will be heat and not fire. I think he was too smart to play the game before the release. Remember, he's not an initiator but an expander, an exaggerator, a really ugly echo chamber. But methinks there is a more, em, public face who will be toppled as well...
plasmastate |
07.24.04 - 8:35 pm | #
LJ,
I've had that problem on and off for several days.
Not today, though.
Central Scrutinizer |
07.24.04 - 8:36 pm | #
Who's seen the turtles? Anybody?
GWPDA |
Homepage |
07.24.04 - 8:37 pm | #
Monica, yes I heard John Dean talking about this. I think he said it might be a former CIA person who's now in the NSC (national security council).
I've only read good things about Fitzgerald, so let's hope justice is swift and severe!
Janie |
07.24.04 - 8:37 pm | #
Sea Lion Records is giving away a 20 song collection of anti-Bush and anti-War songs for download that it will release as an album next month to college and independent stations.
There are some great songs on here, particularly of the folk/rock vein but also some odd alt-country tunes and a spoken word piece that mimics GWB's own stupidity.
Ah, that Edwards piece did my heart good!
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Jenny from the Blog |
07.24.04 - 8:39 pm | #
GWPDA,
Got your turtle right here.
Central Scrutinizer |
07.24.04 - 8:41 pm | #
Oh, that old thing, that's not a -box- turtle.
GWPDA |
Homepage |
07.24.04 - 8:43 pm | #
Hi, Pie!
Thanks for the open thread! We just want to say that our Dad is a very resolute Dad and that we love soy lattes and sushi. You should vote for our Dad because sometimes he came to our soccer games and sometimes he didn't come to our graduations, but he's a war president kind of Dad! And, like, he totally never told us about his drinking so he wouldn't set a bad example, so you should vote for our Dad!
Jenna & NotJenna |
07.24.04 - 8:43 pm | #
Jenny ftb,
Yeah it raised my spirits too.
As Martha would say, "It's a GOOD thing."
Central Scrutinizer |
07.24.04 - 8:44 pm | #
DC Vote has a new ad promoting the
radical idea that residents of our capital city should have a vote in
how their taxes are spent, just like all other US citizens. No other
democracy disenfranchises the residents of its capital as the United
States does.
They're raising money to put it on the air during the Democratic and Republican conventions. Watch the video, and then please kick in a few bucks to help spread the message.
KCinDC |
07.24.04 - 8:45 pm | #
Snarky predictions
1. The Second Coming will happen and Christ, seeing how good Bush is, will appoint him President of Heaven and decide to take a vacation on Malibu.
2. It will turn out to be WMDs that Sandy Berger hid on his socks. He will be revealed as Osama's second in command. Careful examination of the title picture of 'My Life' will reveal that 'gasp' Bill Clinton with a false beard is really ObL.
3. It will be revealed that during those 3 months that Bush went AWOL, he was really battling gay cyborgettes from the future. He wrote a book about it, which is the base of the Terminator series.
4. By Presidential Decree, Bush will order that the South be the North and the North be the South. The new North will still vote Republican, the old Northerners, meanwhile, thinking they are the old Confederacy will vote Republican too. They will eventually secede and elect Ralph Nader as President, whereupon Gov. Schwarzenegger will be sent to do battle with Nader as Terminator.
serge |
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07.24.04 - 8:45 pm | #
Why don't we just lynch Bob Novak, or torture him into revealing his source, now that torture is OK.
I don't think they have OBL on ice, but they'll be hot in persuit of him this week for obvious reasons.
mike in pr |
07.24.04 - 8:45 pm | #
The last link to my blog was about a fun, angry rant of musicians. This one is not fun at all.
Our government, in our name, invaded Iraq and took responsbility for the health and welfare of the people there. According to a BBC report, we have failed miserably.
For 7000 years the Tigris gave life to a barren area of the world, and turned it into the cradle of civilization. No more. Children drinking its water and becoming terribly sick, and dying.
I have a 22 day old baby, my first, and this makes me sick. I thought she might make me more conservative, but I am getting more upset at the outrages of these people. If possible, I am more of a liberal than ever before.
Iraq is our responsibility now, whether we as individuals supported the invasion or not, and our representatives have screwed it up so badly that babies are dying.
And conservatives want to know why I, a liberal and progressive, am angry at George Bush.
Poppy McCool |
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07.24.04 - 8:46 pm | #
Oh, that old thing, that's not a -box- turtle.
I think the turtle would beg to differ!
Central Scrutinizer |
07.24.04 - 8:46 pm | #
was W drinking a beer in f/911 while playing horse shoes (i think) with saudis?
dirkdiggler |
07.24.04 - 8:56 pm | #
I have a 22 day old baby, my first, and this makes me sick. I thought she might make me more conservative, but I am getting more upset at the outrages of these people. If possible, I am more of a liberal than ever before.
Mine are 22 and 18 years old.
And I whole-heartedly concur!
Darryl Pearce |
07.24.04 - 8:56 pm | #
WELL, the dishonorables managed to duck virtually all of the important issues in their report.
i suggest that if you really want a better picture as to how monstrous their cover-up has been that you read this book.
i measure certain works by the number of dog-ears. essentially this means that i have noted a bit of data that i have never seen reported in the newspapers of record, periodicals, or tv/radio. and data that i think to be salient to the understanding of what happened on 11/09/01.
these 391 pages are virtually all dog-eared.
WELCOME TO TERRORLAND: MOHAMED ATTA & THE 9-11 COVER-UP IN FLORIDA. by danny hopsicker.
isbn: 0970659164
also has a website: www.madcowprod.com
DEMAND A REAL INVESTIGATION.
sic semper tyrannis
albert champion |
07.24.04 - 9:01 pm | #
Headline from hell:......"First Amendment Protects Novak and His Sources,Joe Wilson Indicted For Outing His CIA Agent Wife,Valerie Plame..................Developing."
notch |
07.24.04 - 9:06 pm | #
Flipping through some of the cable "news" channels today I'm already seeing some of the more conservative talking heads trying to frame the convention in a negative spin. Teams of these ignorant whores headed by the big yellow tooth Bobby "grand jury" Novak. I wonder how many progressive pundits they are going to let loose on the Rethug convention. I'm sure they will treat it just like the King Gipper funeral.
Takeshi Kovacs |
Homepage |
07.24.04 - 9:07 pm | #
Pooh - I know turtles and this, sir is a turtle.
GWPDA |
Homepage |
07.24.04 - 9:08 pm | #
Kick that Levittown ass, Larry!
Chris Tucker |
Homepage |
07.24.04 - 9:08 pm | #
Chris Tucker,
Thanks for your link to Lessig's site. There is some good stuff there - I hadn't seen the video of O'Really and Glick but had read the transcript...that clip is a must see.
Also, thanks for you html tips. I have them bookmarked now and will post them when newbie-htmlers ask for linky help.
Yossarian |
07.24.04 - 9:20 pm | #
Pie, thanks for the open thread!
You can have my turn with the Echaton box turtle tomorrow!
Chris Tucker |
Homepage |
07.24.04 - 9:21 pm | #
And from Grandmother Country, "Bush Wins" - Stupidest in the World!
GWPDA |
Homepage |
07.24.04 - 9:22 pm | #
I know turtles! And this, ladies and gentlemen, is a real turtle!
Plenty |
07.24.04 - 9:22 pm | #
A tortoise is not a turtle.
Darryl Pearce |
07.24.04 - 9:23 pm | #
Poppy--Congratulations and welcome to the club.
Molly, NYC |
07.24.04 - 9:26 pm | #
Since this is an open thread...I haven't heard much around here on the proposed flag burning amendment. Is the general feeling that it's just another "values" thing for Rethug inmcubents to campaign on? "I voted to defend our flag from commie pinko librrruls who want to turn you gay and eat your baby."
I hadn't really thought about this until I saw it in the Congressional Register, but now I really, really want to burn a flag. Just cause I can, ya know?
Biblio |
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07.24.04 - 9:26 pm | #
Ah, the wet, the damp, and the dry: here.
Darryl Pearce |
07.24.04 - 9:27 pm | #
Poppy McCool -
Congratulations on the wee one. And thanks for reminding us that our mission is truly a sacred one.
Unlike certain thugs we unfortunately know, TRUE patriots can always see beyond their own noses. Patriots, even those who have NO children, feel passionate about our commitment to future generations, in this country and around the world. Anyone with a selfish, "gimme," social Darwinist attitude is by definition NOT a patriot.
Kate |
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07.24.04 - 9:28 pm | #
Pvt. Sal Paradise Christian, P
I just read (TPMemo) a story about who the Washington Times is saying that Plame had been outted twice before. They are sweating really hard to make this a NON-Legal issue. If they can argue that her idenity doesn't fall under the law protecting her, that might give our revealers (Scooter?) some cover. This would also give cover to Georgie boy if he knows after the fact.
And thanks to Janie for the point about 1 year and 10 days and counting.
spocko |
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07.24.04 - 9:28 pm | #
"She said: "I come from Florida, where you and others participated in what I call the United States 'coup d'etat.' We need to make sure that it doesn't happen again. Over and over again, after the election, when you stole the election, you came back here and you said, 'get over it.' No, we're not going to get over it. And we want verification from the world!"
Those words were sent down the momory hole of the House, we should keep them alive.
June |
Homepage |
07.24.04 - 9:28 pm | #
Holden 4 is back?
Atrios is blogging the convention and the Holden 4 will blog the rest of the world. Couldn't ask for anything better. This coming week will rock from Boston to all corners of the country.
ecoast |
07.24.04 - 9:30 pm | #
Al Qaeda has its origins in the US-financed mujaheddin guerrilla war in Afghanistan, where figures such as Osama bin Laden enjoyed American support and received CIA training in weapons, sabotage and bomb-making. Khalid Sheikh Muhammed, the reputed mastermind of the 9/11 attacks, was a longtime associate of Abdul Rasul Sayyaf, a leader of the Afghan Northern Alliance and current ally of the US-backed Afghan president, Hamid Karzai."
June |
Homepage |
07.24.04 - 9:39 pm | #
Maureen Dowd eviscerates Bush in her latest column. You're gonna love it!
susan |
07.24.04 - 9:43 pm | #
My random thought on Plame is that we should keep in mind that there may be no indictments at all. We shouldn't set ourselves up for disappointment if nothing gets handed down.
Thing is this: There is enough dope on the Chump to hang him now (not that I'm advocating that, you see). Iraq? Failure. Tax cuts? Failure. Medicare bill? Fiasco. War on Terra? Failure. Opinion of America by the rest of the world? Horrible. Direction much of middle and lower classes are heading? Down.
Indictments would be sweeter than September's strawberries, but anyone who is still on the fence as whether to vote for Kerry or four more years of hatred and ineptitude won't jump on the correct side because of them.
Hellhound |
07.24.04 - 9:44 pm | #
To speak of the Bush administration’s lies about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction as “misread clues” or the result of an “intelligence failure” is to insult the intelligence of both the American people and world public
The Washington whitewashers will be fired.
Anonymous |
07.24.04 - 9:45 pm | #
A tortoise is not a turtle, but all turtles dream of becoming tortoises. It is the hope, the future and heaven to be, that the loneliest and lowest turtle may, with care and thought, become a tortoise. If they try.
We must never let our imaginations fail us again, or the terror returns.
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QuentinCompson |
Homepage |
07.24.04 - 10:03 pm | #
This just blows me away:
Dems close convention door to Moore
Saturday, July 24, 2004
The Democratic Party apparently doesn't want Michael Moore.
The famed filmmaker who delivered a major assault on the Bush administration in his blockbuster film "Fahrenheit 9/11" was declined credentials to the Democratic National Convention in Boston next week, according to Sam Riddle, a longtime political consultant and friend of Moore.
"He's done more to galvanize the (Democratic Party) than anyone else," Riddle said. "He's just very hurt. That's all."
more............
Strange about Moore- how does allowing him credentials hurt anything?
Nick Carraway |
07.24.04 - 10:33 pm | #
Since this is an open thread...I haven't heard much around here on the proposed flag burning amendment.
Biblio, I say we counter with a Bill of Rights burning amendment. If the American people were presented with a choice between the two I'm confident they'd choose the Bill of Rights. TV and radio have tried to brain wash us into beliving that most people are fascistic idiots but I don't believe it for a second.
Republicans have been attacking the Bill for more than fifty years. Time to call them on it.
EPT |
07.24.04 - 10:35 pm | #
Oh, let Michael Moore come. It looks like the right thing to do. Just think of how the media whores will froth if he shows up on the podium.
EPT |
07.24.04 - 10:37 pm | #
Now you've done it, GF!
joe mcgee |
07.24.04 - 10:39 pm | #
I had my doubts about Plame indictments also, but after hearing John Dean on AAR, I think they are coming. To quote Deans's words 'They're down to the short strokes'.
I agree it may not change anybody's
mind about who to vote for, but I just wanna see some justice! I wanna see how long some talking heads will sit in jail to protect their so-called
sources.
Karin |
07.24.04 - 10:43 pm | #
Thanks Darryl Pearce, for your very informative link to all things turtlely. Good poetry and naturalism today at Eschaton. Its not just for politics anymore.
Another Bruce |
07.24.04 - 10:45 pm | #
Calling Chris Tucker!
Another Bruce |
07.24.04 - 10:46 pm | #
Since this is an open thread...I haven't heard much around here on the proposed flag burning amendment.
Biblio, I say we counter with a Bill of Rights burning amendment.
My suggestion, made on another thread, is that the Demos push legislation mandating that the constitution, the Declaration of Independance and the bill of rights be part of a high school curriculum. Make constitutional knowledge a requirement for a diploma. Require kids (and adults) recite the Bill of Rights to recieve a drivers license.
I can't think of a better way to make Democrats the patriotic party. Think about it. Why shouldn't Americans have a basic working knowledge of the foundation of their democracy?
Another Bruce |
07.24.04 - 10:55 pm | #
Did anyone see Bill O'Lielly go after John Kerry's wife with the RW crap that has been DEBUNKED by snopes?
I caught the Beltway Boys on Fox this afternoon, broadcasting from a windy rooftop somewhere in Boston. Fred Barnes started discussing the speakers, and focused on Ron Reagan. He claims Reagan just wants to push the stem cell agenda.
He's not pushing an agenda, Mort Kondrake curtly replies.
Barnes goes on another tear about Reagan's ulterior motives, only to meet an even shorter reply.
No, he isn't.
Mort Kondarake's wife died the day before yesterday of Parkinsons.
Nothing really newsworthy or amazing, but just a sad, painful, bizarre look at a moment on Fox News.
pixie |
07.24.04 - 11:20 pm | #
pixie -
interesting observation. sad.
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Jenny from the Blog |
07.24.04 - 11:21 pm | #
Thanks for breaking Haloscan GF. Use tinyurl.com if you have a long link.
LJ |
07.24.04 - 11:32 pm | #
Pixie:
That is so sad.
Barnes and Kondracke have known each other forever, and Barnes is stupid enough to rake RRJR over the coals over stem-cells so soon after Kondracke's wife has died of a disease that stem-cell research might cure?
I bet if you look real close when Barnes opens his mouth, you'll see icicles on his fangs.
No compassion. No shame. NONE.
LJ |
07.24.04 - 11:36 pm | #
This flag-burning thing is all baloney.
According to the US Code,
Title 1, Chapter 4, Section 8 of the U.S. Code ("Respect for flag") states:
The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.
These ceremonies are performed by Boy Scouts, VFW chapters, etc. There is no way they can stop one and allow the other.
Janet |
07.24.04 - 11:38 pm | #
"Reagan's ulterior motives"
His ulterior motives? Christ, the man's pushing for expanding the boundaries of science so we can save thousands of families from going through the pain and heartache his went through...you know, the guy who's the fuckin' GOP's secular saint. Does Barnes think Ron Jr. is only going to the Dem convention to show up the Shrub? Fuckin' cult of personality...
Backslider |
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07.24.04 - 11:42 pm | #
Nothing really newsworthy or amazing, but just a sad, painful, bizarre look at a moment on Fox News.
pixie
Reading through the comments I see so many folks bashing FOX news yet, bad as they say it is, they still watch it. And we wonder why their ratings are so good....
shiko |
07.24.04 - 11:57 pm | #
"Reagan's ulterior motives"
See, it's simple...this is an election year, so any criticism of BushCo is simply despicable election-year grandstanding...especially if it's true. After all, what's lower than sullying the truth by using it for partisan political gain? Repubs are careful to leave the truth sacrosanct and unsullied; they have too much respect for it to use it in some sordid political campaign. For that, lies will do just fine.
Philalethes |
07.25.04 - 12:03 am | #
It's much worse than that, shiko. I also read the Free Peblic daily. Here's a wonderful comment I found on campaigning for Bush in Ohio:
I have been torn between devoting every spare moment I can to the Bush re-election and figuring out a survival plan in the event Kerry is elected.
(Full disclosure: I have camped out exactly twice in my life, so I am at sqaure one when it comes to survival techniques.)
Every time I get near the Bush campaign, I walk away disappointed and bitter.
They spent way more than the $50 I sent them trying to get more out of me. They would not take "no" for an answer. They would not even take "return to sender" as a clue. Writing "DECEASED" on the mail finally appears to have done the trick.
Seeing them fold on the 9-11 ad when a sham of a Teresa KErry-finance left-wing group complained did not inspire much confidence.
The State of the Union address was awful. I actually stayed in my hotel in Vegas the night it was on so I could watch it live. Very uninspiring. His 2002 SOTU ("Axis of Evil", etc.) was much, much better.
Seeing the delusional left-wing 527 ads was bad enough. The Bush campaign's refusal to try and set the record straight is perplexing. The fact that our side can't organize a right-leaning 527 is discouraging. I actually asked some attorneys about the legal work to start one. No one would take my case. I even asked someone who once served on his county's Board of Elections. He said that if he got involved with that, the Republican Party would "disown" him.
The Bush campaign somehow got the idea that I signed up to be a precinct captain for them. They sent me a letter thanking me and everything. Then, they sent me a walking list. It wasn't my precinct. It was not even my town. It was not even my county. It was not even my area code. I called the campaign HQ in Columbus. They could not believe that I would not "suck it up" and walk this other precinct instead. They did send me another one, but, once again, it was not in my county.
I did acquire a walking list from my county board of elections. I visited about 100 homes. I talked to 18 people. Not a single one said they were definitely voting for Bush. My precinct went 64% for Bush last time. The only consolation is that there was only one guy who is 100% for Kerry.
pixie |
07.25.04 - 12:15 am | #
GF, please don't post long URLs.
They break the Haloscan formatting. Embedding a link is REALLY easy.
Thank you for your kind attention!
Chris Tucker |
Homepage |
07.25.04 - 12:17 am | #
Free Republic, oops. Where's the spellcheck when you need it?
pixie |
07.25.04 - 12:18 am | #
OT - Just finished a review of the 'Bush's Brain' DVD. It's on TBTM, too...
stranger |
Homepage |
07.25.04 - 12:32 am | #
pixie,
Thanks for the bulletin from Free Republic.
I love the smell of freeper fear in the morning. It smells like victory!
Wile E. Odysseus |
07.25.04 - 12:36 am | #
I'm surprised that the Boston Globe's "revelation" that 45% of Kerry's constituents want him to quit his Senate seat hasn't been throughly and rightly cut to pieces.
Considering it was released by the friggin RNC, maybe there's no point. The credibility of the findings kind of go to shit that way.
The heartening thing about this article is that the Kerry camp seems to be able to take more mud-slinging in stride. Michael Meehan is practically saying "Pull the other one!" as a statement...
Untitled |
07.25.04 - 1:42 am | #
(The following is an email I sent to the AP about a ridiculous Fournier article on the current electoral vote count. Sorry for the length, but as you can see, it really got me going! Click on homepage to see original article -- my easy way of avoiding Chris Tucker's wrath.)
Re: Bush leads Kerry in Electoral College by Ron Fournier
This headline, lede and indeed the entire article by Ron Fournier seriously mischaracterize the actual state of the election right now. While Bush might (see below) lead Kerry in the 39 states that Fournier includes in his tally, the actual state of the election is much closer than his article suggests. Without disclosing more information about which polls Fournier (or the "Associated Press analysis of state polls as well as interviews with strategists across the country") is citing, the average reader might be led to think that Kerry is in more dire straits than is actually the case and at a minimum has no way of knowing the difference between "lean" and "tossup" states.
In a count which uses the most recent public poll result from each state, among states where the lead is 5 points or greater, Kerry has 222 electoral college votes from 16 states and D.C. compared with Bush's 184 in 22 states. See http://www.electoral-vote.com/.
You should change this headline and the article should at the very least note the fact that different conclusions can easily be drawn from the current state polls. I read this article at Yahoo News, and I also saw it on the AP homepage. I normally find Mr. Fournier to be a very inciteful writer on national politics, but I found this article very disappointing.
In North Carolina, Colorado, Virginia and Louisiana, Bush leads by only 5-6 points, but these states are included in his column. The most recent polls in Missouri and Arkansas show the two to be within 2 points, with Kerry actually ahead in the former (Market Research Intl July 20), but these are also in Bush's column. Obviously the information about where Kerry and Bush are concentrating their money and effort is an important part of the story, but if this decision reflects documented internal campaign polls or if the AP is relying on other polls, the article should point out this key fact so that readers can at least assess the credibility of Fournier's polling sources for themselves. If he trusts certain polls more than others, he should also point this fact out.
In addition, Pennsylvania should be considered in the Kerry column, at least at this point, as he was up by 10 points in the July 21 L.A. Times poll. In addition, Washington is considered a leaner while Oregon is not, despite a difference of only 1 point in the most recent polls, with Kerry leading by 9 in the former (Zogby July 10) and 8 in the latter (ARG July 22). Including Pennsylvania and Oregon in Kerry's count would put him in the lead by 221-217; the suggestion that they may soon move to Kerry indicates that Fournier is aware o
bob |
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07.25.04 - 1:49 am | #
In addition, Pennsylvania should be considered in the Kerry column, at least at this point, as he was up by 10 points in the July 21 L.A. Times poll. In addition, Washington is considered a leaner while Oregon is not, despite a difference of only 1 point in the most recent polls, with Kerry leading by 9 in the former (Zogby July 10) and 8 in the latter (ARG July 22). Including Pennsylvania and Oregon in Kerry's count would put him in the lead by 221-217; the suggestion that they may soon move to Kerry indicates that Fournier is aware of this fact and undercuts the assertions in his headline, lede and electoral math.
Two other states in Kerry's column, Minnesota and Maine, actually appear closer than either of these three states. Tennessee, which is not mentioned and is presumably in the Bush column, was actually tied in the July 10 Zogby poll.
Thank you very much.
bob |
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07.25.04 - 1:51 am | #
call me oversensitive... but isn't the ad for the urinal sticker a bit over the top?
I would think we know the crybaby right well enough to know that it wouldn't be difficult to make an issue of it, knowing that we are being advised to piss on our president's face every time we visit this website.
Personally, I'm comfortable with Nazi Party comparisons, but this sticker is just infantile and disrespectful.
And the "the left has gotta grow some balls" argument doesn't mean we have to act like assholes.
jp spectator |
07.25.04 - 2:00 am | #
They spent way more than the $50 I sent them trying to get more out of me. They would not take "no" for an answer. They would not even take "return to sender" as a clue. Writing "DECEASED" on the mail finally appears to have done the trick.
Ha..haha...hahahahahahaha
The reason they didn't quit sending mail when that moron wrote Return to Sender on it is because it's not first-class mail; it's what we at the USPS call standard mail. As a non-profit (ahem), the RNC gets a discounted rate for mailing their garbage. What they sacrifice is the return service, unless they request (and are willing to PAY for) it.
I've thrown away hundreds of RNC mailpieces for this reason. Legally.
LJ |
07.25.04 - 2:06 am | #
And the "the left has gotta grow some balls" argument doesn't mean we have to act like assholes.
jp spectator
So you're comfortable with "the crybaby right" screeching about democratic Hitler-Bush comparisons...but you're afraid the urinal sticker makes us too vulnerable to attack by the right?
Now I'm looking for a boobie. Woot?
weblackey |
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07.25.04 - 2:14 am | #
To clarify.
I complain because I don't believe that that kind of ad (or the mindless hatred it encourages) deserves any attention from anyone. I ad to my complaint with the suggestion that if we don't want to be made to look like assholes and idiots (pause here to remember the media talking about rabid incoherent bush hate), we should probably not give the casual passerby an eyefull of bush's face in a urinal.
I'm not a great writer by any stretch, but I like to believe that I have a better capacity for communication than to piss on things I don't like.
jp spectator |
07.25.04 - 2:29 am | #
Good grief, since Woot isn't here, I'll show you guys some boobies:
It's my first attempt at linking/showing boobies. Be gentle with me.
LJ |
07.25.04 - 2:46 am | #
Question. If that sticker irritated a reThuglican enough that he/she reached in to a public urinal to unpeel it, would his/her hands be cleaner?
chimpsmack |
07.25.04 - 2:48 am | #
LJ
Those are the cutest boobies! I nearly teared up, like I do when I see a fuzzy kitten sleeping on my keyboard. They're fuzzy too!
Ahhhhh, the world is a better place.
weblackey |
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07.25.04 - 2:52 am | #
Urinal stickers are stupid, counterproductive, overshadowing and dishonoring in their offensive noise the massive amount of vastly superior non-scatological anti-Bush stickers, without unique or even tangential advantage, potentially a health hazard and playing into the hands of the filthy Professor Glenn Set who advocate genocide but constantly "sincerely" mourn the imaginary vitriol of the left.
Also, way to leave the girls out, dickheads...
risky safety kei & yuri |
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07.25.04 - 4:15 am | #
Oh christ, another liberal "concerned about the tone." How about F major?
Carpbasman |
07.25.04 - 4:51 am | #
Nice boobies. Don't care one way or another about urinal stickers. I've seen Bill and Hillary ones for over a decade now and Jane Fonda ones for even longer. Any crybaby rethug cries, ask them to explain the Hillary urinal stickers or toilet paper,etc...
Darwin |
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07.25.04 - 7:19 am | #
THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE
Imagine a world where a ruthless, amoral, transnational corporation would pull out all the stops to put one of its own into the bloodstream of power. Where power for power's sake is the only guiding principle. Where nothing will get in the way of placing a corporation, through its puppet, into the seat of President of the U.S. Senate, and Vice President of the United States.
Imagine such a world, and cringe with terror. . .
Dokuritsu |
07.25.04 - 10:04 am | #
To Bob Re: AP Electoral Vote
I wrote "Votemaster" yesterday (24 July) about the AP's flogging the angle of Bush virtually pummelling Kerry in the EC. I agree with you
100%, having become an electoral-vote.com junkie. I mean, either electoral-vote.com is all washed-up (I don't believe so), or the AP is sloppy (at the least), or (sigh . . .) joined the ranks of the NYT, WaPo, and other *previously* 'above-the-fray' print media that have thrown in with the GOP and its spin lines . . .
Dokuritsu |
07.25.04 - 10:12 am | #
Will Kerry be the first significantly Jewish president? Philip Gourevitch reports in new New Yorker something I had not know before, that both John's grandparents on father's side were Jewish (Kohn).
Bob H |
07.25.04 - 10:27 am | #
Seriously, while we all love atrios himself, I wouldn't mind seeing this turned into a group blog (esp Holden.)
You know, I was going to say the same thing. Not to detract from Atrios, but the blog is as good when he is away as it is when he is sole proprietor.
Bob H |
07.25.04 - 10:30 am | #
What's Up with the MS-NBC Ad?
Does Atrios REALLY need the money that badly? Dude...
What are you doing? Is the Devil THAT good of a Fiddle Player? Were you down at the Crossroads, recently?
You all remember how Amercan GI's were given a friendly welcome by grateful Iraqis after the fall of Baghdad, right? You remember seeing the magazine covers that showed a GI getting kissed on the cheek by an Iraqi, right? So why are so many war supporters pretending it never happened? Whenever one of them starts up with their "mistakes were made" qualifier, they usually say, "we predicted that we would be greeted with open arms, and we were wrong about that." But the thing is, we were greeted with open arms; indeed, the war supporters were openly gloating about it during the brief period in which it happened.
So, what's with the revisionist history? I have two guesses. Either they've known all along the the greeting was bullshit staged by Chalabi's goons, and they lack the strength to keep pretending; or, they don't want to admit that the Iraqis' opionion of "Operation Iraqi Freedom" has plummeting like a meteor over the past year, because that would imply that the Baron Harkonen has been been screwing up the hearts and minds thing on a daily basis, and making the Arab world stop hating us was, like, the whole fucking point.
Tomas |
07.25.04 - 1:09 pm | #