I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
If I hadn't been born so rich I might have been a really great man. As it stands I am content to destroy democracy..........Dubya.
Yeaaghhhh!
Another American revolution.
I like the sound of that. Throwing off the heavy handed tactics and tyrany of the current administration and replace it with our very own constitution. No rewriting necessary!
Go John and John! I am so looking forward to the day Bush moves out...
That said, this little excerpt does make me wish we had a viable party working for the working class...
Ah, well. For now, down with the plutocrats!
HRH George II will be dethroned!
I remember not long ago when the thought of Boston as the site for the Dem Convention was poison. Fear of "librulz," or something to that effect. But now, I think we are able to point to Boston as a strength, an asset we can carry through to November.
I'm eagerly looking forward to next week, just like everyone else. I certainly plan to post the major speeches at my website, and do my part as much as I can.
Oh, and when should we start the weblog pool for what Bush's stunt will be? Will he actually pull Usama out of that cave? Will some mystery envelopes suddenly appear? Will Ashcroft tell us about some guy he captured last year? We need a poll for this; and maybe some money, too. Give the money to charity or something.
I was there today! 2 hour road trip up from south of Omaha. 3 hours standing around. All to here the man speak for 30 mins or so. Gov Vilsak spoke first - very good speaker. Mrs. Kerry was next. Extremely powerfull in a low-key way. Sen. Kerry was great! This is the first time I've seen him. There of none of the 'wooden', 'robotic' BS the SCLM are pushing. VERY GOOD!!!
The protesters were a hoot too. They set up a little waffle breakfast stand and were selling 'Kerry Waffles'. All very serious folks with there signs and all. We had a great time laughing at them.
Lot's of folks in line talking about F/911. Older people especially.
There's a tidal wave building....
Anybody else bothered by the AP headline that Bush leads Kerry in electoral votes? Then conveniently leave out that their polls show neither with the 270 needed to win.
MPG- Yeah, the headline is worse than the article. There is a good chance that an unpaid summer intern is sitting at the computer at the AP desk right now.
wtf is with the AP lately?
it seems most of their political stories have a severe slant to the right.
was the AP bought by Murdoch?
did they get a new kool-aid dispenser in the wire copy room?
what?
God, that Frenchman Kerry said a while ago:
"More than ever, Americans are desperate for us to leave the petty and the partisan behind, and reach for America’s higher promise. And the reason is simple: America is more than a piece of geography more than a name of a country; it is the most powerful idea in human history, freedom and equal opportunity for all. And that idea demands a solemn responsibility from every citizen that we do all that we can to help realize the promise of America.
Just awful, isn't it? Appealing to the good, rather than instilling fear.
Heretic:
I felt that the other day, too, at a Kerry meetup. In Henry Bonilla's (R-TokenTool) district in San Antonio. I have never seen a campaign so fired up. I have never seen the Democrats so focused on getting in the White House and Congress. I have never witnessed so many ordinary people saying, "I've never gotten involved before, but I'm involved now! This is the most important election of my life."
Something is indeed hapening out there. And I keep getting this feeling that the media and the Republicans are burying their heads in the sand at what's about to hit them. They know, but they can't bear to watch.
The revolution won't be complete until we can overthrow the tyranny of the conservative media.
I want to live in a world where none of Scaife's books sell for squat, where Murdoch's media empire consists of a couple of AM radio stations in Jal and Eunice, New Mexico, where Moon is back in prison.
I want Lisa Myers, Cal Thomas, Nedra Pickler, Tucker Carlson, Tony Snow, Judy Woodruff, Sue Schmidt, Bill O'Reilly, Jeff Gerth, Michael Weenie, Sean Hannity, and Dennis Miller unemployed.
I want Rush Limbaugh and Bob Novak in jail, where they belong. I want Coulter and Horowitz in an asylum for the criminally insane.
'Til then, the revolution isn't over.
def -
Could be. However, I think there's a better chance that intern *is* getting paid, by the forces of darkness.
LJ -
Methinks they believe in the Rovian approach -- keep repeating drivel until they're blue in the face, hoping that doing so will make it true. Magical thinking.
Just awful, isn't it? Appealing to the good, rather than instilling fear.
Where's that dingaling from the other threads who's been saying Kerry doesn't have convictions?
Well, of course he doesn't have convictions. He's not a criminal.
Seriously, I don't know where some of these people come up with these ideas. They can find their way here to spew such nonsense, and can't bother to go to kerry.com?
I think that's just a wonderful thing Kerry said. Plato knows we need to hear more like it. We know Bush won't give us anything but EVERYBODY'S OUT TO GET YOU (and your wimmenfolk), all day, every day.
Ugh.
Kate:
Yeah, and if I clap my hands and say I believe in fairies, I can save Tinkerbell. 
scooter, you're right -- there's a lot of dogshit on the soles of our shoes to scrape off, brush up and put into the trash.
the first step will be restoring the FCC to its rightful place, with appropriate authority. jettisoning that pumpkinheaded moron son of Powell's will be the first step, as will be getting rid of the 2 other right-wing shills there.
once that's odone, and teeth restored to it, we can begin to effect some change.
oh, and strip Murdoch of his bought-and-paid-for citizenship. instantly, the entire News Corp. empire would be jeopardized.
I have to tell you I f**king LOVE OUR TICKET.
They don't need the convention to sell me.
John Kerry, Vietnam Vet, a man who knows about war, complicated, battle scarred, great depth and reason
John Edwards, bootstrapped his way to the top of the game, small town America, hopeful optimistic youthful
Great balance, great vision. I have high hopes that they will do much to restore America. But we GOT TO GET THEM ELECTED. Can you even IMAGINE the damage that Bush would cause in four more years especially since Powell will not be serving in the second term! Jaysus, help us! Bush, even knows it, thats why he is running around saying "Oh hey, we will be at peace in four years"
MY A**!
I just talked to someone here who told me she is a Repug, but she just saw F 9/11 - and said it certainly gave her a lot to think about...
Hee hee! - we are so going to win. I saw a Kerry sticker on a car from New Mexico in town this afternoon. I haven't seen one Bush/Cheney yet. I imagine I will, but so far, nada up here.
Last spam for the time being.
Larry Lessig pokes Bill O'Rielly with the Ponted Stick of Truth!
O'Rielly whines, "Quit it!"
Crap! "Pointed Stick of Truth!" POINTED
The only Bush stickers I have seen around these parts (Worcester, MA) are on Lexuses. Honestly. I've seen tons of Kerry ones and anti-Bush ones on minivans and regular folks' cars!
Hope Hilary saved her notes when she was measuring for curtains. Theresa might want a look at them.
Hi! Don't vote for John Edwards -- his wife is fat. Vote for our Dad! He can't give speeches like John Kerry can, but our Dad is totally resolute and you should vote for our Dad! Our Dad came to our soccer games and had some t-ball games at the White House, back before he was the terror president! And our mom likes to smoke and listen to Bob Marley and read books (ewwww!) So vote for our resolute Dad!
foo -- yeah, that struck me as an obscure Dean reference as well...
Biblio - that's great, and no offense, but that's not unexpected where you are. I'm in western Colorado, surrounded by retirees and tourists from Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Arkansas, Florida - think hot state, they are here - Arizona, etc. etc. etc. I would expect wall to wall Bush/Cheney. I'm amazed it isn't so. Only political signs up at all are for Democrats Salazar and Al Brown (tres local).
Shades of Jonathan Richman:
"I've been to Paris, I've been to Ro-ooome!
(Whoa-ohhh, New England)
But I only missed my home
(Whoah-ohhh, New England!)"
And may I just say as a dirty Midwesterner that it's nice to see one of those pencil-necked, tweedy, cold-blooded aristocratic New Englanders stick up for themselves, for a change?
What's up with the AP? Maybe the Democrats dont give them nice enough toilets.
Sounds like the press poodles are ready to start a revolution of their own:
Media find DNC restroom facilities lacking
(07-24) 15:01 PDT BOSTON (AP) --
Media members, already perturbed by long security lines, may find themselves waiting in line for something nearly as important.
As the majority of the print reporters arrived Saturday at the FleetCenter for the Democratic National Convention, tongues clucked when they saw the restroom facilities that they will be using for the next week.
Twenty portable restrooms, like those used on construction sites, are lined up in front of the media pavilion to service nearly 1,200 members of the print media who will be working around the clock. That's about 60 serious coffee-drinkers per toilet.
--snip
"That's absurd," said Jim Drinkard, a political reporter for USA Today....
Drinkard also said the quality of the toilets was insufficient.
"We were led to believe there would be trailer units," Drinkard said, referring to the restrooms used at the 2000 Republican National Convention in Philadelphia. Drinkard said that the trailers could get pretty unpleasant after a week of heavy use.
"But they are much better than Porta-Johns," he said.
Last spam for the time being.
Larry Lessig pokes Bill O'Rielly with the Ponted Stick of Truth!
O'Rielly whines, "Quit it!"
Wow, Bill O'Reilly is a liar?
I'm shocked. Shocked.
Tena
We live in a very strong repug area of nc. So far I have not seen any Bush signs in yards. There are a few Kerry signs. This is real strange for this area.
I saw Kerry's national security spot today. Damn, it's good.
The article is kind of rambling so not worth reading unless you want to hear Ted's Big Beef and how governement protects big media.
http://
www.washingtonmonthly.com...407.turner.html
But there is a key blurb...
Today, media companies are more concentrated than at any time over the past 40 years, thanks to a continual loosening of ownership rules by Washington. The media giants now own not only broadcast networks and local stations; they also own the cable companies that pipe in the signals of their competitors and the studios that produce most of the programming. To get a flavor of how consolidated the industry has become, consider this: In 1990, the major broadcast networks--ABC, CBS, NBC, and Fox--fully or partially owned just 12.5 percent of the new series they aired. By 2000, it was 56.3 percent. Just two years later, it had surged to 77.5 percent.
The important 'take away' IMO is that Big Media is favoring Bush mainly because of the skew with Fox and megalomaniac Rupert Murdoch.
This is going to be a challenge for the Kerry campaign because there's still alot of America that gets too much biased news from broadcast or cable.
In I think the 'blogsphere" heavily favors Kerry ( draw your own conclusions here )
Going to be a slugfest but I see us winning on Nov 2 !
Sinbad - at the very least I'd say the Repugs are complacent and uninterested. We Democrats, on the other hand...At the very most I'd say Bush is going to lose big.
Either way, it's a win.
I'm really enjoying Jenna & NotJenna, especially Jenna, because I think she likes me more than Ricky Vandal.
Anybody else bothered by the AP headline that Bush leads Kerry in electoral votes?
No
Only political signs up at all are for Democrats Salazar
An elderly friend of mine in Colorado Springs called the Salazar campaign and asked them for a yard sign. She told them that she wants the sign up by next weekend because the neighborhood is hosting a six-block yard sale then, and her neighbor across the street has a Coors sign in his yard.
She said they were very eager to accomodate her.
tongues clucked when they saw the restroom facilities that they will be using for the next week
Why don't they take a look at that ridiculous free speech cage and get a little fucking perspective?
Tena -
And the report from Arizona is still the same, not a single Thug sticker spotted except for one outdated one from 2000. Two weeks ago the "conventional wisdom" was that Bush was going to take "reliably Republican" Arizona. Not now. The two candidates are tied.
The thugs here at least know to keep their opinions to themselves, and that's ALWAYS a good sign, no pun intended.
Nauseating. Kerry knows nothing about the average guy living hand to mouth. But it doesn't matter to people stupid enough to support him because all they know is that he isn't George W. Bush.
Never mind Kerry's shit judgement in staffing his foreign policy advisory team with liars and a thief. Never mind his lies about the 10 million jobs he says he's going to create. Never mind that the countries whom he says he can win "back" to America's side are corrupt and decadent regimes who wouldn't help us if Jesus H. Christ were in the White House. Never mind his waffling nonsense about supporting the war and not supporting the supplementals. Never mind his incredible conceit and utterly wretched oratorical skills. Ugghhh! I do not
Oh. I lost my tag.
I meant to say that I do not want that man droning on and on in my head for the next four years. Please! He is just awful!
knows nothing about the average guy living hand to mouth.
Which candidate running for preznit knows about the average guy living hand to mouth, again?
Does anyone remember an article from a few months ago about phone polls and how they are skewed towards more conservative voters, for various reasons?
I had a link but lost it in a tragic hard-drive crash.
(I still mourn)
I meant to say that I do not want that man droning on and on in my head for the next four years.
Boo hoo. You'll either get used to it, or turn off the tee vee then.
Nauseating. Kerry knows nothing about the average guy living hand to mouth.
Not like ole Blue Collar George, eh.
Never mind Kerry's shit judgement in staffing his foreign policy advisory team with liars and a thief.
Did Elliot Abrahms and John Poindexter switch sides? We don't want them.
Oh. I lost my tag.
Along with your mind and your self respect.
"Go"? Where, exactly, ARE we going?
Read it and weep.
Dems close convention door to Moore
GENESEE COUNTY
THE FLINT JOURNAL FIRST EDITION
Saturday, July 24, 2004
By Marjory Raymer
mraymer@flintjournal.com •
810.766.6325
The Democratic Party apparently doesn't want Michael Moore.
The famed filmmaker who delivered a major assault on the Bush administration in his blockbuster film "Fahrenheit 9/11" was declined credentials to the Democratic National Convention in Boston next week, according to Sam Riddle, a longtime political consultant and friend of Moore.
"He's done more to galvanize the (Democratic Party) than anyone else," Riddle said. "He's just very hurt. That's all."
Riddle released to The Flint Journal on Friday portions of an e-mail Moore sent him about the snub.
"Can you believe the Dems are not going to give me credentials?!" Moore said in the e-mail signed "mm."
Moore, a Davison native, could not be reached for comment at home or through his publicist. Officials for the Democratic National Convention did not return a phone call seeking comment. A woman who answered the phone at the convention press office paused when asked about Moore and said someone would have to call a reporter back.
Moore's Web site, www.michaelmoore.com, which frequently details his personal and professional clashes, did not mention the convention dispute as of Friday evening.
But the proud liberal figures to be nonetheless popular at the convention.
He will speak and sometimes screen his latest film at receptions for the Congressional Black Caucus, union leaders and a rally dubbed "Take Back America" in Boston next week. Those events are all separate from the actual convention, however.
Traditionally, Moore has not had a chummy relationship with either major parties. He was a vocal critic of Democrats and Republicans - calling them virtually indistinguishable - in the 2000 presidential election when he actively campaigned on behalf of Ralph Nader on the Green Party ticket.
This year, he briefly supported the Democratic campaign of retired Gen. Welsey Clark.
Riddle said he still is working with politicians he knows to get Moore access to the convention floor, but said it still isn't right.
"Michael Moore should not have to go through the back door of the Democratic primary," Riddle said.
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© 2004 Flint Journal. Used with permission
Oh. I lost my tag.
Jeebus. You've lost more than that.
That's the most idiotic screed I've read since, um, your last idiotic screed.
Now is when I generally would issue a friendly reminder to ignore the trolls, but what the hell. It's a slow night anyway, so have at him...
nemw:
I have to tell you I f**king LOVE OUR TICKET.
I have to tell you that you're a junior high school cheerleader. Don't be bothered by the school's lack of enthusiasm, though. You couldn't dissuade your fellow-travelers from voting for Not-Bush if you tried.
Does anyone remember an article from a few months ago about phone polls and how they are skewed towards more conservative voters, for various reasons?
Zogby use to intentionally weight his polls for conservatives, because he suspected that they were less likely to agree to be polled. I don't know if he still does it.
toby: nice name. isn't it a name for dogs, english drinking jugs, and ugly 8-year-old girls on 50s TV programs?
your site is great! did you take yoga to be able to suck your own crank, or are you just deformed?
ha ha. go talk to yourself, bro. it's gonna be a long 8-plus years for you, amigo.
Kerry knows nothing about the average guy living hand to mouth.
Not like rich-bitch George W. Bush!
Never mind Kerry's shit judgement in staffing his foreign policy advisory team with liars and a thief.
Not like George W. Bush's band of criminals and liars!
Never mind his lies about the 10 million jobs he says he's going to create.
Not like all of George W. Bush's broken economic promises!
Never mind that the countries whom he says he can win "back" to America's side are corrupt and decadent regimes
Not like all George W. Bush's good friends Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Uzbekistan!
Never mind his waffling nonsense about supporting the war and not supporting the supplementals.
Not like the nonstop screwing George W. Bush has offered our troops!
Never mind his incredible conceit and utterly wretched oratorical skills.
Not like George W. Bush's arrogance and brillialialient oracular abilililities!
Hurray! Toby's on our side after all!
That's probably true, Central Scrutinizer. People who don't have telephones are probably less involved in things like bill-paying, working, healthy relationships, etc. Perfect prospective Democratic voters, I must say.
Not sure what you're talking about, Jim. But I am sure that you have auto-fellatio on your mind. What a sick bastard you must be. Go get laid and then come back and tell us about it.
"Please! He is just awful!"
Toby, sweetie, it'll be okay. Get ready for some whirled peas! It's a good thing!
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"[Moore's] done more to galvanize the (Democratic Party) than anyone else," Riddle said.
That's a little hyperbolic, dontcha think?
Scooter, the point of fisking someone's comments is to refute them. Better luck next time.
People who don't have telephones are probably less involved in things like bill-paying, working, healthy relationships, etc.
OMG, Toby. You're homeless.
Have you all seen pics of the "free-speech" area? Pretty much a cage behind a blast wall. I would expect the same at the RNC. Viva la' revolution!
toby jug dog dude -- i'm in LA MAN, i'm supposed to be degenerate to you red-state types, bub!
just here to feed your Rove Map view of the world.
here, let me try this: BILL CLINTON.
hahahahaha. actually, i like contributors like you; you provide a contrast to thought and actual discussion.
Scooter, the point of fisking someone's comments is to refute them. Better luck next time.
You didn't offer any arguments. You just talked about how much you hate America. Wasn't that much I had to refute.
Have you bought your ticket to Cuba yet? You're prime Guantanamo fodder, ya know...
Never mind his waffling nonsense....
Fox opinion channel talking points.Hope you like your news skewed.
I just watched Outfoxed.An eye opener for those that enjoy propoganda.
That's a little hyperbolic, dontcha think?
No.
Nobody cracked this cabal of thugs until a true progerssive fearlessly ATTACKED them, head-on.
The message sent here is: We're not progressive populists. We don't approve of attacking the power head-on. We will play by the rules and play to the "middle", just like we did in 2000. If we lose, we lose. If we win, when we get there, we don't represent "the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party". We don't represent the people responsible for cracking this thing for us. We don't represent YOU.
Great. No.
Kerry loses MM, we lose. Millions of newly-awakened Americans stay the hell home. End of story.
Ha! did you hear that Kerry protesters are setting up little roadside stands and cooking WAFFLES? Oh those clever Bushies. Total. Pathetic. Losers.
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An eye opener for those that enjoy propoganda.
Like FrNC
I watched the replay of Kerry's send-off from Aurora last night and it was just awful. Jesus Christ he's dull! Doesn't he understand that he is playing Tom Cruise to y'alls Renee Zellweger? It doesn't matter what he says or does! He can lie from here to Boston and y'all will still love him. Yuck!
As a foreigner, I find the open assertion that politicians are for the middle classes a little bit sickening. I understand that they say that because middle classes vote and the poor do not, but surely the poor need help more than the middle classes? Well, I guess it's better than saying that one is for the upper classes only as Bush does.
And for Christ's sake, will you people stop arguing like high schoolers with this FOX News TVidiot, and address this shit?
Kerry says he hasn't seen Fahrenhate 9/11. Why is that? Daschle did. And he loved it so much that he hugged Michael Moore and lovingly cupped his ample bosom afterwards, whispering into his ear, "Forgive me, darling. All will be better now."
Our farm dog enjoys the occasional "roll in the dead critter" game, and of course he also likes to track through the barnyard- you can imagine what he finds there...and on a rainy day he'll come up to me with his goofy dog grin and shake that combination of dead stuff, manure and stink-like-dog -water all over me. I don't get mad- I figure, he's a dog- that's what he does.
So when Petzold and "Patterson" figuratively do the same thing on Eschaton, well, it's what they do, as well. But what I want to know is, "Why?"
Barry Champlain - I sat here for a bit and tried to think up a counterargument to yours that if the Democrats lose MM, we lose. I cannot think of one, and so you're right. I've just talked to a Repug tonight who asked me if I'd seen it, and said she had. Then she said that it certainly gave her a lot to think about. This is happening all over the place. We do need Michael Moore. He has some drawbacks, but then, don't we all.
Which one of the Pythons was it who wrote the book of fairy tales fifteen, twenty years ago? There was one in it about a man who sells his soul for vast intellegence then finds his punishment is that he has to play chess with the devil who turns out to be amazingly stupid.
George W. Bush is playing chess with the world, trouble is the people who sold their souls are no smarter for the deal.
Kerry boring? Compared to Bush? Which would you rather hear deliver a speech he wrote himself?
I repeat.....There's a tidal wave building.
Barry,
Can't say I'm surprised, really. The convention is the ultimate in "put the most moderate face forward for the yay-hoos who still haven't decided". It's why the GOP is putting RINO's like Ah-nold and Gulliani up there instead of the true face of the party: DeLay, Santorum, Chentworth, Ashcroft, etc.
Besides, Moore's been an equal thorn in the side of the DNC for quite a while. The story wasn't really clear, though; was he denied floor and/or press credentials? I doubt anyone in Washington wants to be around Michael Moore with a camera.
(Well, Tena, I know I personally have no drawbacks, myself BUT...)
Here's a scenario. MM realizes that, despite the fact that no human walking upright on Earth has personally done more for Sen. Kerry's candidacy than he, he's been an advocate for a party that does not espouse his ideals.
He pulls F9-11 from circulation.
What happens next?
Michael Moore, who is a traitor, has been discredited so many times that I don't see how anyone can defend him but for the absence of their own moral compass and intellectual honesty. Kerry may very well win the Presidency on the basis of the support of those who believe Moore has brought them some "higher" truth, but it will come at the cost of their own reputations.
There is virtually no factual aspect of that film that has not been shown to be either a lie or a distortion. It is the single worst (best?) example of agitprop ever produced in this country. Worse than Birth of a Nation or any Second World War-era anti-Japanese film or JFK or anything else. People who have bought into Moore's lies are embarrassments to the Republic.
Ask your man why he won't comment on it. He won't because he knows that the association would be toxic.
Y'all are about to have your 1992 GOP Convention. Enjoy!
Michael Moore, who is a traitor,... ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
From New York, my Wisconsin home makes me nervous -- went for Gore by less than 4,000 votes, and it's right on the knife's edge this time. But my pop says don't sweat it, and he's been working on elections for the UAW longer than I've been on this earth.
They do need to put a lot more effort into the ground game there, though. During the primary, nobody even had yard signs out. Nobody. The Dean campaign told people to buy their own. I'm not sure how much that's changed -- they're still treating it like it's theirs. People will want to see 'em sweat before the deal is closed.
remember about 10-15 years ago when the term "traitor" meant someone who had seriously done something to sell out our country to our enemies? instead of merely doing something that his detractors didn't like?
yeah, me too.
MM helped the opposition in this race, because Bush and his party were in power on 9/11.
They also took this country to war in Iraq.
MM backed Nader in 2000, right?
Hey, I was just downtown in Bwahstin today and walked over to the Fleet Enema Center. The "Free Speak" Zone looks like a batting cage at a local Recreation Park except that there is razor wire coiled along the top where netting meets the T rails. But hey, the Dems were nice enough to give the rabble a platform to use for their rants. It's a metal platform about 4 feet wide that goes around a ventilation outlet building for the highway below. The entire area looks like it's big enough for 4 or 5 hundred people at best. The officials said it's for 3000 or 4000. I would blame it on Osama, but as I remember there was a similar situation of fenced off protest area in LA in 2000, so it is more of a modern political statement than a security situation. I have been as appalled with how bad GW has been as the next person, but if Bush is 100 points to the right, all Kerry has to be is 99 points to the right to be the "liberal" in this American farce. I've spoken to several people lately who are playing with the notion of letting Bush win again and driving the country completely off the cliff so the country won't be 42% for/ 42% agin and 16 % who get to chose. After 4 more years of chaos and 21st century fascism at the hands of these bastards people will finally be ready to put in a true progressive leader, like the turnaround in 1932.
No Michael Moore, indeed.
pie,
Yeah, up till the end. He tried to talk Nader into dropping out, or at least talk Nader into telling his supporters to vote for Gore if they lived in swing states. Nader told him to take a hike, more or less.
I mentioned this in general the other day, but it applies to the MM situation.
I believe we need Michael Moore at a place once or twice removed from the campaign. It's better for him to act on his own.
We need him, yes. Right where he is. I believe he would understand that.
I predict that MM will be allowed access --with or without press credentials. They'll be under fire to include him and it's not worth the bad press and jeering from the right they'll get by excluding him. They should accept the fact that he can't be controlled and may be a loose cannon but he deserves to be there.
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MM backed Nader in 2000, right?
Yes, and he takes responsibility for it in Stupid White Men.
He's not backing Nader this time.
Which one of the Pythons was it who wrote the book of fairy tales fifteen, twenty years ago? There was one in it about a man who sells his soul for vast intellegence then finds his punishment is that he has to play chess with the devil who turns out to be amazingly stupid.
Wasn't this Michael Palin's Ripping Yarns?
The convention is the ultimate in "put the most moderate face forward for the yay-hoos who still haven't decided".
Oh, of course that's their m.o. But who, exactly, IS this fairy tale "middle" they're constantly playing to?
Has it somehow escaped the DNC's notice that it didn't work at all last time? Both sides mouthed only the focus-tested platitudes, we got a statistical 50-50 split among voters, and the Bushies just had to jimmy the system to win? They miss this?
Did they also miss that opinions didn't shift substantially in this country, activism didn't have a resurgence on a mass scale, and Kerry didn't overtake Bush's lead, until F9-11?
I have a more sinister, tinfoil reason why this is all happening, and man, I don't even want to verbalize it. And I won't. It feeds the Putzoids.
Oh--and I think fellow Python Terry Jones wrote for that as well.
So the people who have seen F911 and been inspired to vote for Kerry would suddenly just stay home, because Moore (who hasn't been that great of a Democrat- we know Democrat and progressive are not always syonymous) got dissed? And if Moore were to pull it from distribution because of this (and let's take the wait and see approach), then I'd have to say he puts his ego ahead of what he truly believes is good for the country.
all that said, he probably should get the credentials
I do not think that Moore will pull his film from circulation under any circumstances. He may be hurt and feel his exclusion is unfair, but he is a patriot and will not do anything that silly. What would be the point?
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Jim, Michael Moore is a traitor. He explicitly and publicly advocates the defeat of our armed forces in a time of war. He gives aid and comfort to the enemy by propagating false information intended to undermine the credibility and legitimacy of the Commander-in-Chief. He has permitted the dissemination of his lies to be carried out on foreign soil by sworn enemies of this country's government.
Anyone who believes in Michael Moore's propaganda has proved himself to be an anti-American fifth-columnist.
If it weren't for Michael Moore and Howard Dean, we might as well have stayed home come november.
Without them, the dems would be saying, "Thank you sir, can I have another?"
Wow Toby, you have created enough strawmen in that last post to populate a thousand cornfields.
Toby, old putz, why does the Dept of Justice drag it's feet regarding Moore? If what you say is true I should think Mike would be at Gitmo by now. Haven't heard of any charges, or libel suits, anything of the nature that would support your charges. Could you possibly be wrong?
You liberals are idiots. Kerry is a Satan worshipper. I am smart and independently wealthy. I believe in the free market and non biased media.
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Toby is just scared right now, that's all.
He knows that he's cheering for a losing team, and that terrifies him.
If that weren't true he wouldn't even be here.
Don't feed the trolls. Or the troll, in this case. Sad fuckers. It will be a long eight years of drying out for those sad bastards, because we're mad as hell and we ain't gonna take it anymore. Stick a fork in 'em and turn 'em over. They're done.
After 4 more years of chaos and 21st century fascism at the hands of these bastards people will finally be ready to put in a true progressive leader, like the turnaround in 1932.
Great idea, so if you or the folk that you are talking about think these guys are really fascists, what makes you think there will be only 4 more years of chaos? What makes you think that there will be an election?
You think I'm kidding? One more big terrorist attack and I don't put it past these guys to put the constitution into the shredder. They are going to go on an all out hunt for enemies foreign and domestic. And the first place they are going hunting is after the purists who decided it would be a good idea to drive the country off the edge of a cliff.
You liberals are idiots. Kerry is a Satan worshipper. I am smart and independently wealthy.
And what kind of car do you drive, once again?
So the people who have seen F911 and been inspired to vote for Kerry would suddenly just stay home... then I'd have to say he puts his ego ahead of what he truly believes is good for the country.
No, he wouldn't be doing it on account of ego. More like he saw Kerry as the Great White Hope against an enemy evil that we all understand is bona fide... but was made to realize that the interests that Kerry may actually represent (get real; it's still all just politics, in the end!) could find the kind of populism that is powerful enough to oust the Bush/Saudi cabal to be a threat to THEIR interests in the greater military-industrial complex.
(Dammit, you made me say it. Cue Putzoid and Pattersons!)
Jim, Michael Moore is a traitor
Go Cheney yourself Toby. And the RNC talking points you rode in on.
If it weren't for Michael Moore and Howard Dean, we might as well have stayed home come november.
Without them, the dems would be saying, "Thank you sir, can I have another?"
It would have been better if we had nominated Dean instead of dumping him. "Thank you sir, can I have another?" is exactly what the party told him, but without the thank you.
Carraway:
Could you possibly be wrong?
I'll bet being charged with treason would give that monstrous sack of shit the first hard-on he's had in years. But why should the Government give you fucking saps a martyr when you're already sucking on Moore's pipe enough as it is?
I ask again: why won't Kerry come out and give that filthy bastard a big hug and a plug like Tom Daschle and Terry McAuliffe did?
I'll say something nice about Toby here. He argues and I disagree with all of his points. But he doesn't make personal attacks on the commenters here, which is appreciated.
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Toby's a little upset.
Something scared him.
well, except when he calls us "saps".
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Kinda OT, Cal Thomas on Faux with Hodding Carter, Sander Vanocur talking '64 dems convention and MFDP, Bill Moyers to join.
Weird.
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Isn't Toby cute when he's jealous?
Well no.
Uh oh. Just when Jenny was saying something nice about you, Toby, look what you went and did.
Just coz you're scared and upset.....
Calling someone a "traitor" isn't a personal attack? Insinuating that someone's political ideology means they're more apt to just roll over if a foreign power invades the country isn't a personal attack?
backslider -
in general, toby has always seemed to be to be a kinder, gentler troll. there are others who are way off the nasty meter. David P. continually calls me an "assassin" and he's always attacking pie with a vengeance. I think you get my drift.
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Only thing negative about Moore attending the DNC that I can think of is that the media would be utterly sidetracked by his presence, which wouldn't be good.
Worse than Birth of a Nation
Puh-leeze, Putzoid.
Friends, I went to a Kerry/Edwards pancake breakfast benefit this morning, and it was amazing. After sending out emails to friends 2 weeks ago, these folks raised $36,000! All of this to go to Kerry/Edwards, and THIS IS IN NORTH CAROLINA!!! There were over 500 people at this breakfast -- granted this is in a college town, but the excitement was palpable. It was organized by a grandmother who had never been involved in politics and had never contributed money to a campaign. She saw F9-11 on the opening weekend and the next day started planning this benefit. She sent an email to some friends 2 weeks ago and then 500+ people showed up to the tune of $36K.
Say goodnight, dumbyass.
Nick,
I once asked young Toby why didn't the Powers That Be charge Moore with sedition and/or treason if he was, in fact, giving aid and comfort to the enemy (instead of just expressing his First Amendment-protected views and, in the capitalist way, making a buck off it). The dear boy said, and I couldn't make this up if I tried, "They don't want to make a martyr out of him."
Seriously. This is why this kid isn't worth the effort anymore. He's either an uber meta-troll or so disconnected from reality he makes Ozzy look grounded.
Toby is hardly a kinder, gentler troll. He's a vicious, delusional nutbag.
Jenny from the Blog ,
Were you here last night?
DP said some pretty nasty things about you.
Monica -
I agree. Moore's attendance would be problematic, the media would go into a feeding frenzy and pull attention from the more worthy aspects. It's a tough one.
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the interests that Kerry may actually represent (get real; it's still all just politics, in the end!) could find the kind of populism that is powerful enough to oust the Bush/Saudi cabal to be a threat to THEIR interests in the greater military-industrial complex
What interests are those, and did anyone else watch "The Manchurian Candidate" tonight on PBS?
All our parties are trying desperately to pen in protest and contact with those who are dissidents and troublemakers.
This is yet another sign of our dying empire. We are not "united" at all. Waving our silly flags is only an act of desperation, not inspiration.
Central S.
I think I saw that but I didn't respond. He said something about my having weapons? It was crazy. He just won't let it go and keep embroidering the story. ugh.
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Jenny,
Well, I disagree - sorta sensitive about being called an "America hater" simply because I different viewpoint - you got that right. I see Toby and Patterson as two sides of the same trollish coin. As I've said many times before, I welcome debate from ideological opposites who're truly interested in furthering the discourse and maybe learning something from an opposing viewpoint. These guys ain't. They bring nothing at all to the table. It's just how they get their rocks off while living powerless in reality. They're scared by the big, bad world, and since they're too scared to actually do anything about it, they come in here for dick-measuring contests.
I'll admit to tangling with the odd troll when I'm feeling froggy and spoiling for a fight. It's a good ego boost and a good way to work out frustrations. Still and all, it's generally a battle of wits with unarmed me.
Trolls are nothing. Just clutter on the screen I can scroll past.
There is virtually no factual aspect of that film that has not been shown to be either a lie or a distortion.
Toby-toby-toby, you REALLY must get out more and read something besides right-wing drivel. Eschaton doesn't count, because you're clearly not learning anything here. http://tinyurl.com/64zum would be a good start. Scroll down for "Factual Backup for Fahrenheit 911."
In the same breath, you'd probably swear on Ann Coulter's "footnotes" as soon as you'd swear on a bible. Take your "treason" talk somewhere else, where you could at least bask in the admiration of other tiny minds, instead of hanging around at a blog where you're NOT going to change a SINGLE mind. I cannot fathom why you waste so much time here, unless you're a masochist.
it's generally a battle of wits with unarmed me.
That should be "a battle of wits with unarmed men". Sorta undercuts my argument, don't it...
*goes back to trying to figure out Motorhead songs on bass*
Jenny ftb,
(I hear "Jenny" has quite a temper, too, and isn't afraid to use a weapon if she has to . . . )
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And then he asked LJ to his place for drinks, thinking she was a man.
Not that there's anything wrong with that....
What interests are those, and did anyone else watch "The Manchurian Candidate" tonight on PBS?
Seen it a dozen times, loved it before the current hype (this is the answer to Question One, if it is not obvious...)
Question Two: who really knows? Generic corporate interests, perhaps, who would simply oppose progressive legislation; rolling-back of media dereg; re-re-distribution of tax burdens.
It isn't all about neocons, the Bush/Saudi coup d'etat and the end of the Constitution, you know. But there could be a coupla wars for profit in the offing, still.
Backslider -
I understand what you are saying. I haven't been paying too much attention to what you've been experiencing, I guess. From my angle the Patterson stuff has been really hurtful. And it seemed that Toby has been not so quick to call out people by name and fling out terrible accusations.
Anyway, I'm not arguing. I find your comments to be spellbinding, really, and we are on the same side of the fence. I think we even agree on the music, too.
I just felt like being nice to Toby for a moment. That's all.
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Er, reverse those two Questions... I'm getting stunad' from all this...
as a lifelong democrat I'm disgusted by the treatment moore is getting from the dnc. it's just another example of the party leadership's ineptitude. the current edition of the sunday ny times magazine has a lead article on the future of the party...it says that it's quite possible the dems have no future. there is a new wave led by george soros and others to bring the party back in line...or barring that, starting a new movement...a progressive movement. that's the term they're using now...the republicans have done such a good job demonizing the word liberal that the new leaders think progressive is a good substitute. the funny thing is that the word progressive years ago was a euphemism for communist. at any rate progressive or liberal, democrat or whatever, there is a new wave acoming...but unfortunately, according to the article, it may not actually come into its own until 2008. I hope the new dems show a lot more respect for michael moore.
Central S -
I know. The only thing I can do is ignore him at this point. Make it stop!!!
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"That should be "a battle of wits with unarmed men". Sorta undercuts my argument, don't it..."
Backslider. funny. I was wondering what that meant!
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Jenny,
I can dig. You're a lot nicer than me, I suppose, and Patterson's attacks can be brutal. He laid off me - he gave me shit for going by a handle rather than my real name - when I showed the link to my blog, which has a link to my picture in a local rag.
Frankly, I'm sick of the most trollish of trolls. The ones that are here just to get attention. I'm also tired, quite frankly, of the name-stealers on both sides of the isle. It's junior high bullshit like writing in the dust on someone's car. And I really don't care much for the "fag jokes" that invariably appear whenever some troll shows his face. Getting down with pigs gets you dirty, and all.
It's not as bad with the A-man back, but last week's infestation was almost too much for me. Debate with them that got points they can back up, ignore the fuckers who're just trolling with RNC talking points or baseless slurs and, above all, don't play the game on their level, ya know?
This fucking democrats as politically correct, republican light shit has got to stop.
Al Gore tried to do this and lost lots of folks on the left. Whoopi, then Cho, now Michael Moore.
Do you know how many people these progressives can deliver. It reminds me of how the politically correct will bad mouth Howard Stern, mostly because they have not listened enough to understand that it's satire, or they are just too tight ass to appreciate a little humor. Stern will without a doubt deliver more voters that almost any block out there put together. Why the fuck are we caring at all what the Thugs or the media will say. They are the fucking enemy. No matter what we do they are going to bash everything in site. So what do we do? We alienate our own artists and ban them.
Backslider -
gotcha. the name-stealing really screws up our conversations and is probably the most disrupting thing that goes on here. Last week was a nightmare and I thought I would just bow out. But magically A's return has calmed things down. I hope it stays this way because we have a lot to discuss between now and November 2 and I, for one, can't wait!
any luck with the motorhead?
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It's a sad damn commentary about how far to the INSANE this country has swung when Michael Moore is regarded as someone the Dems should hold at arm's length. Just too "radical," right?
Sad damn commentary that issuing a wake-up call to the masses -- a wake-up call that didn't contain much news to those who've actually been following the news -- is regarded as too radical.
I've been an artist in three mediums for most of my life and to see this behavior coming from progressive is very depressing. Talk about selling out. Very sad.
Toby, you want Moore's film to be exhaustive of the facts against Bush and you want all of those facts to be false. Neither is true and your pissing in the wind.
Jenny,
I can dig that. I almost bowed out myself, and I was worried the gutless name-stealing troll would snag my handle and sully my good name. Never did, though...guess I'm not that much of a threat.
any luck with the motorhead?
Lemmy (frontman and bassist for Motorhead) is a pretty tough cat to rip from because he plays so loud and so distorted. And, I believe, he tunes down a step, which makes it even tougher on a tin ear like mine. On the plus side, he keeps it pretty straight-forward: mostly major chords, lots of 8th notes, few changes. I can't quite match his speed, either, which is frustrating as hell.
If I may be allowed to dance off the topic of trolls for a bit, I actually met Lemmy a few years back. Got the chance to do a two-plus-hour interview with him. We talked about music, the state of modern rock, politics (this was just after the 2000 election), history (he's well-versed on the First World War) and a multitude of other topics. Very cool cat. First thing he did was offer us a huge glass of Jack Daniels and never once acted like we were putting him out.
It's always nice to meet someone you admire - and I do admire both Lemmy's musical vision and his philosophy of life - and find out he or she isn't a complete asshole.
Al Gore tried to do this and lost lots of folks on the left. Whoopi, then Cho, now Michael Moore.
Do you know how many people these progressives can deliver
Sure. Which is why maybe there might be more important concerns, to the Establishment Democrats, than simply "delivering", if the progressives delivered are troublesome to party goals. I'm just saying.
"It's always nice to meet someone you admire"
Backslider - It's interesting, isn't it, that more often than not the truly good and talented ones have humility and treat others with respect. They also feel they always have more to learn, which is why they are so open and generous. It's inspiring. Glad you had that experience.
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I'm sure he'll get into the convention and everything will be ok.
He's got a big ego and maybe he just needs to be taken down a notch.
"You're not all that, Mr Moore"
The show has to go on, after all.
Backslider, you may get your chance to worship Moore, who is a traitor, as a martyr later this fall. He may run into FEC regulatory issues if he's still running ads for his agitprop by then. Then we really will have a dick-measuring contest. The G won't touch it if they don't have to, but I'm sure the Dhimmicrats and Moore will be spoiling for a big First Amendment fight so that they can pretend that they give a good goddamn about truth, justice, and the American way.
Well I guess I don't know anything about establishment democrats. I do remember Edmond Pat" Brown having dinner with my grandfather all the time when I was young.
"The show has to go on, after all."
Yes, Moon Bat, and it's going to be a great show! I will watch every moment I can and will be really attuned to the comments here. What Fun!
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I wonder what one would call a person in the military who deserts his post in a time of war? Hmmmm? I believe traitor works.
And under federal law, passed under the auspices of George Herbert Walker Bush, it is treason to deliberately expose the identity of an undercover intelligence agent of the U. S.
So a film maker and self-appointed Diogenes makes a movie, and he's a traitor? Oh, right.
Then we really will have a dick-measuring contest.
It's all about how small your dick is, isn't it toby?
Sorry to hear it, bud.
"bud" - Tee hee!
Backslider, Jenny ftB, et al: I can't understand the troll mentality- seems like such a waste of their lives. I find it odd that, while most of the regulars use handles, it appears we post in much the same way we talk to people in the real world. Then we get trolls, who apparently use their real names, and I seriously doubt they talk to strangers the way they post on here. If they do, well, that explains some things...
As far as Moore goes, I think he'll be at the convention. Rumors have a way of not coming true, and remember- Kerry is a flipflopper!
Not. There's a good article about Kerry in the New Yorker, emphasis on how he is a foreign policy realist who understands we need to engage the world as it is rather than how we imagine it should be. It's not the binary "us against all of 'em" view that turns trolls on, or, conversely, an attitude of "everyone's good if we just let them be". Taking situations as they are rather than trying to make them fit some grand Doctrine seems like a better way to keep people alive to me...
Last thing (promise): another Kerry war story mentioned in the New Yorker goes like this: his swift boat came upon an abandoned village. It turned out it wasn't, that there were old men, women and children, sick and hungry. He recieved radio instructions to leave them, but instead he took the villagers to the nearest US base for food and care. He said, "For an afternoon, it felt good to really be helping the Vietnamese instead of destroying their villages"
I really think we have a nominee with good instincts and I am hopeful he will make a good President.
enough of me, g'night everyone
...anti-American fifth-columnist.
Is this seriously supposed to mean anything? I think Toby is a silly billy.
Before dropping the subject, can someone explain why Americans needn't be troubled by the fact that the 3rd in command at DOD is on file at the Justice Department as an official registered agent of the government of Turkey?
Oh, never mind.
Backslider, Jenny ftB, et al: I can't understand the troll mentality- seems like such a waste of their lives. I find it odd that, while most of the regulars use handles, it appears we post in much the same way we talk to people in the real world. Then we get trolls, who apparently use their real names, and I seriously doubt they talk to strangers the way they post on here. If they do, well, that explains some things...
As far as Moore goes, I think he'll be at the convention. Rumors have a way of not coming true, and remember- Kerry is a flipflopper!
Not. There's a good article about Kerry in the New Yorker, emphasis on how he is a foreign policy realist who understands we need to engage the world as it is rather than how we imagine it should be. It's not the binary "us against all of 'em" view that turns trolls on, or, conversely, an attitude of "everyone's good if we just let them be". Taking situations as they are rather than trying to make them fit some grand Doctrine seems like a better way to keep people alive to me...
Last thing (promise): another Kerry war story mentioned in the New Yorker goes like this: his swift boat came upon an abandoned village. It turned out it wasn't, that there were old men, women and children, sick and hungry. He recieved radio instructions to leave them, but instead he took the villagers to the nearest US base for food and care. He said, "For an afternoon, it felt good to really be helping the Vietnamese instead of destroying their villages"
I really think we have a nominee with good instincts and I am hopeful he will make a good President.
enough of me, g'night everyone
Tena,
You funny, girl!
agh hell sorry for the double post
agh hell sorry for the double post
Jenny,
Yeah, I've been lucky in my travels to run into a whole lot of people who lived up to their hype. Willie Nelson, for example, is cooler than god, and an interview with folk icon Richie Havens once lifted me out of a serious funk brought on by my disappointment in humanity.
I don't have heroes or idolize anyone. People are human and, thus, failible. But there's something to be said about respecting people who do what they do well and do it with the right intentions, and those intentions are never driven by greed. Money can buy you a fine dog, dear hearts, but only love can make it wag its tail.
Carraway, being politically active and argumentative is hardly a waste of one's time. Especially in these times. Besides, what else can a poor boy do? If you ask me, gladhanding the other members of the choir is the real waste of time, so be grateful that you have a perfectly good foil like me to bounce your nonsense off of.
Goodnight, Nick Carraway. I do believe we haven't even scratched the surface of Kerry's abilities and accomplishments. He's a very large man, growing larger all the time. I'm proud of this ticket.
Daisy
aka...
Backslider,
I had the pleasure of meeting SRV back in 82 and he was one of the nicest people I've ever run into. We talked music for half an hour and never once did I get any vibes other than sincere interest in talking music with a fellow musician. Very cool.
Hound Dog Taylor was another story, but worth the trip.
As for bass, my favorite player live was Zoot Horn Rollo with the Magic Band. Wow.
And fuck the trolls. Anyone who tosses around the word traitor when describing a filmmaker is not a serious person.
Yeah, SRV's statue down on Town Lake is a big draw for the tourists. I never got to see him play, but he is in the air here still.
What scares people like Toby is the fact that Kerry was asked to pick up a gun and kill people for his country, and he did it. Cuomo said this on TDS. Then Kerry had the enormous courage to come back and say loudly that what he was asked to do was wrong. Compared to guts like that, their man is just a puddle of piss and they know it.
I'm sure he'll get into the convention and everything will be ok.
He's got a big ego and maybe he just needs to be taken down a notch.
Don't think so. Cho was removed from an auxiliary event; Whoopi was apologized-for, by the candidate himself...
I am detecting a pattern, here. The edge is deliberately being taken off this country's official opposition to the party in power, by the opposition itelf; and it was that edge that made real opposition happen in the country to begin with.
Who was it who said, "Why won't Kerry come out and give that filthy bastard a big hug and a plug like Tom Daschle and Terry McAuliffe did?"
(Oh... yeah.. sorry! 
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Jenny from the Blog ,
Were you here last night?
DP said some pretty nasty things about you.
Yeah, but he was a submissive little puppy at my feet by the time I got through with him.
Funny how he's not here tonight...
cosmic grappler,
I've heard Hound Dog was a handful. I interviewed Elvin Bishop a few years, and one of his first gigs was as a sideman for the Dog. Man, the stories he had. One includes the long-running rivalry between Hound Dog and his guitar foil, Brewer Phillips. It pretty much ended when Brewer pulled a gun on the Dog, but they made peace just before Taylor died.
I've heard the same about SRV. A friend who played the blues circuit back in the '80s said he was the sweetest cat on Earth when he was straight, but the drugs did bad, bad things to him. I'm not as big a fan of his records as when I was younger, but it breaks my heart to think of his potential.
I'm not familiar with Zoot. Lemmy may be my favorite frontman and Motorhead is definately one of my favorite bands to see live, but I think my all-time favorite live bass player...well, hell, it's one of two guys. Ned "Hoakey" Hickle, late of Dash Rip Rock, and the demi-god Keith Christopher, who's played with Kenny Wayne Sheppard, Paul Westerberg, Billy Joe Shaver and various incarnations of the Georgia Satellites. Both play the bass like it was something to proud of, not the instrument where you put the shittiest guitar player. And both have more fun playing than should be allowed by law.
And, granted, I may be a bit bias...their styles come from the same place mine does, old R&B and soul. Gotta love the pocket. Speaking of which, I once met Leon Wilkerson of Lynyrd Skynyrd, my primary influence and still one of the toughest guys around to copy. It's a neat story if anyone's interested. Well, I think it is, anyway.
"Yeah, but he was a submissive little puppy at my feet by the time I got through with him."
LJ - That was hysterical. way funny. You give him what for, girl! (He'd better not mess with Texas...)
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Backslider -
Did you love the SRV "brothers" album? I did. Though I confess I don't know much more of his stuff, I listened to that one a million times. I forgot the name of his brother though...
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Backslider,
I played harp with Hound Dog in the mid-70's, just a handful of bar gigs, but yeah, he was a handful. The man loved his "red water."
But, I barely remember the mid-70's, so I can't throw stones.
Zoot Horn Rollo was Beefheart's bassist for years and he played the thing like I've never seen before or since.
Being a lead instrument, I love and depend on the pocket. I play with a local bassist who has tasty chops, very melodic. Sometimes when the guitar player is up there screaming away I like to step back and listen to James do his thing on the bottom. It's a joy.
Jenny,
Yeah, that's a killer disc, probably the best effort from both brothers. It's like I said, SRV had awesome potential to be something more than just another "white guy playing the blues". Once he quit the hard stuff, his quality jumped enormously. The quality of In Step, the brothers album and the newer stuff on The Sky Is Crying compared to his earlier stuff is astounding.
Like I said, it's a damn shame his light got snuffed out before that potential was realized.
Hey! Who says Petzold isn't serious? Have you seen his website where he details the merits of his favorite Playboy Playmates? Talk about elevating the discourse! Buh-dang!
You know one thing that surprises me -- that there hasn't been more reaction to the 5 pm Friday document dump of W's military records -- you know, the ones that show no attendance all summer long (which according to others, is desertion. 30 days is AWOL. Over 30 days is desertion. Desertion during wartime is a capital offense and there's no statue of limitations). How come that hasn't caught a bigger wave?
Fleener,
That's the closest little toby has ever been to a girl.
Cut him some slack.
it's a damn shame his light got snuffed out before that potential was realized.
Backslider
Amen. The night I met him he had been straight for a while. He put on a two hour show that included a good 45 minutes of Hendrix material, Little Wing, Voodoo Chile, you know, the standards, and he lit the place on fire.
It's a night I'll never forget.
cosmic grappler,
Wait, wait, wait...you played with Hound Dog Taylor!?! Aw, man...you're my new hero (replacing a gay co-worker who launched himself into a crowd of five frat rats when they yelled "faggot" at him, so august company there). That's so cool. What little guitar I play owes a whole helluva lot to Hound Dog (and Ronnie Wood and Bo Diddley, but that's another story).
I think I may've told you, but I'm a harp player, too. Or was, anyway. Haven't played in a long, long time, and I don't have the money to replace the dead soldiers these days.
I love the pocket. I don't have massive chops, but I do have a good sense of time and melody and I firmly believe the bassist and drummer are supposed to be one. Main reason I don't like modern punk is the rhythm section rarely locks properly. Blew my last drummer's mind when I'd make him play just his bass drum during practice.
As for Zoot, I know who you're talking about now. I've never been a big fan of Beefheart, admittedly, but a manager at work has been playing a lot of his older stuff, and I've been seriously digging on it. One of my obsessions is blue-eyed soul singers - Frankie Miller, Dan Penn, Eddie Hinton, early Rod Stewart - and the Beefheart stuff the bossman plays fits right in.
It's a night I'll never forget.
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To my eternal shame and regret, I passed up a chance to see SRV in Memphis two weeks - two weeks - before he died. For free, even. Why would I do something so brainless, you ask? Because the girl I was dating at the time didn't want to go and didn't want me to go. So I didn't. And Stevie died. And the damn girl dumped me for a fucking frat boy anyway.
Ever since then, the women in life are told to expect me doing what I want when I want and going where I want, whether they like it or not, and ESPECIALLY when it comes to music. Have to admit, though...none of 'em have liked it.
Backslider,
I'm an old man, what can I say? Yeah, I was recommended to Hound Dog for a gig at a bar in Kent Ohio, I forget the name now (I told you I don't remember much of the 70's) and he liked the way I played, and carried gear, and wasn't bat-shit crazy (he was also impressed that I could disassemble a Colt .45 in the dark) so I stayed with him for five gigs through western PA and W Va.
He was an angry man but he could play the fuck out of that guitar.
No, I didn't know you played harp. It's a great instrument and I'm usually the big dog in the room, but not always. I play guitar, too, but strictly Blind Blake, Gary Davis kind of stuff. I'm working on the piano now and will learn to play before I die.
Blue-eyed soul singers. Yeah. My daughter sings lead in a funk R&B band in Manhattan and is the only white person in the band. But then, she was raised on Chess, Stax/Volt and Atlantic vinyl.
Oh, yeah.
Backslider,
I was stationed in New Jersey in the summer of 1969 and some friends asked if I wanted to go upstate and hear a bunch of bands.
I said no, because I thought I was going to get laid that weekend.
I didn't get laid.
But I did miss Woodstock.
grappler,
Far out on your daughter. I'm a sucker for good soul-mama vocals. Few years back, I saw Band drummer Levon Helm with his new blues band, and his daughter Amy sang with him. I fell in love instantly. Littler sister's got some serious pipes.
I played harp for about three years, when I gave up playing in favor of writing (on the advice of another girl who managed to find a reason to leave me anyway). Mostly blues and blues-rock, of course, but for a while I was the go-to guy in Gainesville for all the harmonica needs in the punk and indie rock crowd. My crowning moments came when I jammed with Bo Diddley (you wanna talk about a pissed-off man) and played in a band with former Blackfoot guitarist Charlie Hargrett (sweet, sweet cat) and former Molly Hatchet bassist Banner Thomas (crazy as a shithouse rat).
I was a pretty decent harp man, mainly out of the Junior Wells mode of power and attitude over subtlty. I still kick around the idea, when the money situation gets better, of restocking the harps and doing the blues thang again. Fun music to play.
Man, I dream of finding a good piano player to work with. I'm burnt out on the two-guitar-bass-drum thing. My brother who can play anything with strings can pick out a tune or two on piano, but he wants to get serious about it. The boy can play slide like nobody's business (ever hear Sonny Landreth?) but he says he's sick of guitar. The little bastard's got a killer voice, too, but he refuses to sing in front of people.
Cosmic grappler has also been a gandy dancer.
Dude. I doff my chapeau.
I was stationed in New Jersey in the summer of 1969 and some friends asked if I wanted to go upstate and hear a bunch of bands.
I said no, because I thought I was going to get laid that weekend.
I didn't get laid.
But I did miss Woodstock.
cosmic grappler | Email | Homepage | 07.25.04 - 1:10 am | #
*LAUGH*
Shmuck. That kicks the shit out of my story, give you that. After missing SRV, I made it a point to see all the old-fart rockers for a while, just in case the decided to kick off. I saw Dylan just before his big heart scare a few years back, and I managed to catch the Dead for the first time two months before Garcia bowed out. The joke's true: it was a two-night stand, and I was straight the first night and loaded on acid the second night. First night, they sucked. Second night was amazing.
Damn, I hate it when people who can sing won't. I'd give my eye teeth to be able to sing.
And Junior Wells was a damn fine player. I don't know who I sound like anymore. I used to be a Butterfield clone - so much so that I coasted through the 70's just on licks from Driftin' nad Driftin' - but I've listened to so many horn players that their approach to melody has really infected my playing. Guitar players say they like playing with me because I play differet stuff. I don't know, I just blow what feels right. And most nights it feels right. Blues is my therapy, my valium, my long-running bad habit. I don't know what I'd do without it.
I have heard Sonny Landreth. I love a good slide player. I've tried, and have been through a succession of resonators, but I don't have whatever it is. For me, Ry Cooder's the man on slide.
Piano is kicking my ass, but persistence is my one real skill.
I don't know if you knew this, but I write, too. I have a novel coming out in January from St Martins called Beneath A Panamanian Moon, about a piano player. I hope you pick it up.
Moon Bat,
I was indeed a gandy dancer on the Erie Lackawanna RR. Talk about a tough gig. But I got a bagful of great stories from living in the RR yard.
cosmic grappler,
Far out on the book. People are always giving me shit about writing one, but I can't concentrate on one topic long enough to do the deed. My hat's off.
I know a cat who used to be Butterfield's main man back when Paul got really bad on drugs. Dude named Little Mike. His stuff's worth searching out.
I started off mimicking Junior, but as time went on, I copped more licks from guitar players. Was always a treat to see the look in folks' eyes when they recognized the melody from "Third Stone From The Sun" in the middle of a blues song. By the time I quit playing, I was stealing stuff from Louis Jordan.
As for slide players, I've recently gotten into David Lindley. Thanks to my bro - who learned guitar by copying Duane Allman licks - I'm pretty hip to all the good slide cats. Best I can manage is George Thorogood, who - in his defense - has a helluva lot of fun doing his thing.
My brother isn't shy. He plays in two bands and is pretty heavily demanded and respected here in Athens (which says a lot). He's got a great voice, too. Lots of gril and soul, but plenty smooth when it needs to be. We do some pretty nifty harmonies when I can hit my notes properly. He just doesn't like being the center of attention, while I'm the ham. Figures our musical roles would be reversed.
My Goodness!
Grappler: I'll always have mucho respect for those whom have cracked the code known as Beefheart - the fact that you jammed w. The Hound is just gravy.. Rock On, Sir..
Slider: always liked Mr. Christopher w. Shaver, Yayhoos, et al - and remain a big Billy Joe Shaver fan - one of the few repentant Christians that I have real respect for.. He walks it like he talks it..
Toby! Toby! Go rent "The Sorrow & The Pity!" Was THAT a balanced documentary, or just more "agitprop?"
Working the next two days, but fully intend to visit Downtown Boston Tues/Wed., and see what is going on.. Does this make me a "traitor?" Would You like my IP address now?
Backslider,
I caught the Dead once, on a bill with the Allman Bros and The Band. I still love the Band and would love to see Levon Helm again. I didn't hear much of the AB, but I did hear the Dead behind a fistful of buttons and you're right, they were fucking great.
This was Watkins Glen, sometime around 72 or 73, I think. I was hitch hiking to see a friend, these guys picked me up, asked if I wanted to come and, after missing Woodstock I said, fuck yeah.
erie lackawanna -- merger road. my condolences. this would be mid- to late-70s, i think. prior to conrail takeover.
hard times in the RR industry then, after the fall of the new york central and pennsy.
as comic book guy would say, "worst trackage EVER"
bill buckner,
Yeah, Billy Joe's a wonderful human being. I've interviewed him a couple times, and he definately walks the walk. His is a God of love and beauty, not one of fear and hatred. Big heart on that man. His son was a nice guy, too. Another damn fine musician who left this world before he got his turn to shine.
And, man oh man, do I love The Yayhoos. Dan Baird's one of my rock gods, and Eric Ambel is awesome. They've got a new record coming out, probably the first of the year. If you dig Eric's stuff, he's got a new one out called Knucklehead, with some seriously good originals and a couple neat covers of tunes by Tom Waits and The Flamin' Groovies.
Definatel recommended.
bill, thanks for the compliment, but I wouldn't know jack about Beefheart if it wasn't for a painter friend of mine who clued me into the Captain, Abstract Expressionism, Dada, Moma, the Arensberg collection in Philadelphia and morecool shit than any one man should know. His name's Jerry Nutter and I'm here to give the man is proper respect. He changed my life when I was a wandering ex-soldier, lost, burnt and deeply aimless.
backslider and grappler -- that's so cool about your musical backgrounds. if i told you i was a hair metal lead singer in 80s LA bands, you would probably laugh but not be surprised.
the best / worst part is, i still look the part! hah.
but at least i ain't bald.
i've got some unbelievable stories of larger-than-life people, including a long stint working with an extremely famous, legendary 60s rock musician, but not for the public, sadly.
Cosmic Grappler -
You funny. So listen. I went to a Paul Butterfield Blues Band concert at the Baltimore Civic Center way back when. They were the headliners and the little intro band was LED ZEPPELIN. An odd pairing but what a revelation. It was hard to settle into Butterfield after that opening act... we were just all sitting there with our mouths hanging open. I never was a Led Zeppelin fan after that, being a girl and all, but I must say, they were amazing.
Too bad about you missing woodstock. We might have met there! I'm going to check out your homepage now.
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Jim,
HA! That track was so fucking wavy! I spiked for a while and also ran a tamper, and trying to straighten that track was like trying to unbend a pretzel.
Yeah, this was right before the conrail takeover. 74? Yeah, because I was working there when Nixon resigned. That's right.
cosmic grappler,
Well, that's pretty cool, too. I've heard tell Watkins Glen was one of the Band's finest moments (and one of the Allmans' worst, coming right off the death of Duane). Course, being a young lad, that was all way before my time. I saw the Band about 10 years ago in Memphis, right after they got back together to tour (sans Robbie Robertson and, of course, Richard Manuel). I was familiar with them, of course, but became an instant fan that night. Rick Danko's passing broke my heart. He's another in my pantheon of bass gods. They can keep their Victor Wootens and Marcus Millers; give me the pocket, baby, and a good, solid groove.
i know my rail shit, my friend. another previous employment legacy.
i have many, many friends in scranton and of course the DL&W yards (where steamtown national park now is) was just a gigantic shitpile Superfund site, twisted rail, etc. the turnaround there is remarkable. i'm not a huge railfan, but if you're into old times, go check it out. you won't believe what they've done with that old Lackawanna site. the DL&W station downtown is pretty kickass too.
Thanks, Jenny.
And for anyone else who is interested, there are two short stories, absolutely free on the site that, if you like, let me know.
Now, ladies and gentlemen, I have to get some sleep. I have writing to do tomorrow.
Good night.
Jim in LA,
Well, the hair farmers never were my cup of meat, but that's cool, too. It's all about chasing the neon rainbow, one way or another. I've got a friend who lived in El Lay back in them days, and he's got quite a few stories to tell.
And don't fret about the hair. I've got quite a mane, myself. Every time some old cat gets uppity and tells me to cut my hair, I just say, "Jealous?"
Oh, and rock on.
jenny, i saw zeppelin at the fabulous forum in 1977 on the "song remains the same" tour (promoting the movie's release) -- their last LA appearance, as bonzo croaked before they could do their announced 1980 dates in LA.
it was unbelievable! of course, i was 14, and this was the first chance i had to see zeppelin, but there was nothing like page and bonzo -- those guys, to me, two of the best at their game, ever.
you always wonder what your friend's parent does while those kids he drove to the forum are at the show -- don't you? hmmmmm. my guess is, street hookers. made you want to ride home in the trunk! hah.
Jim in LA -
funny. we had never heard of Led Zeppelin until that night. I think I read somewhere recently that the Baltimore concert I saw was one of their first in the U.S. Who knew?
You know, we lived through an amazing time in music, didn't we? I'm so glad I was a part of it.
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And don't fret about the hair. I've got quite a mane, myself. Every time some old cat gets uppity and tells me to cut my hair, I just say, "Jealous?"
Don't you ever cut that beautiful hair. I'll come to GA and yank a knot in your butt if you even tried it.
no shit slider.
i remember in the early 80s, when i worked at a technology company while going to berkeley, and people who were completely fucking lame would say "hippie!" to me.
which is like saying "republican" frankly.
"hippie!" i'd yell back. 'I'M A GODDAMN ROCKER!"
haha.
now, my kids just think i'm insane; this long-haired father of theirs. if you can remember was edward van halen used to look like when his hair was good, taht's what i still look like. just bigger bags under the eyes! hah.
i went to the record release house party for the Crue in 1981 at their all-white house just north of the strip. OH MY GOD. i was 18 and i am not shitting you when i say my life changed FOREVER that night (in a good way, ha ha).
it gets fuzzier from taht point forward until i quit in 1987 to have kids. i think i made the right choice when you see all those glassy-eyed dudes from my generation now. of course, they all had gold/platinum albums and i don't, but i have two beautiful kids and that is what life is all about, amigo.
but if you want to make a contemporary 16 year old girl cringe, start singing a Motley Crue song while their friends are around. they think you're insane and reading for an old folks' home! hah.
"Don't you ever cut that beautiful hair. I'll come to GA and yank a knot in your butt if you even tried it."
I second that, Backslider. And don't mess with LJ -- she's a badass from Texas!
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Don't you ever cut that beautiful hair. I'll come to GA and yank a knot in your butt if you even tried it.
LJ | Email | Homepage | 07.25.04 - 1:53 am | #
Fortunately - or unfortunately - you'd have to stand in line. All my female friends have threatened me with slow death if I do away with the mane. I'd do it just to be contrary, but I ain't crazy.
You wanna know what's crazy? Of all the girls I've dated, only one - ONE - has dug the hair. The rest wanted me to cut it. Then shave. Then get some good clothes. Then start thinking about the future and quit living like a bohemian. Funny how that always plays out in exactly the same way, ain't it?
Jim In LA,
Heh, I can imagine. Course, the Crue's gaining some hipster cred amongs the punk crowd these days.
And I get the same thing. "Hippie!" And my beatnik patois and genial attitude probably doesn't help matters much. Granted, it beats hearing "redneck" when they grok the thick Mississippi drawl.
And yeah, I dig what you say about getting out. A lot of cats have stayed in the game way, way too long. It's a tough life, rock & roll, and it can wear you down. I've known a lot of road-worn and weary musicians - the guys that never got the brass ring but were always inches away from it - and they all got that hundred-yard stare.
Still. Beats workin'.
jenny, if you want to take a trip through time, do like me: open up the bag of old concert t-shirts. i used to get one from every gig (they were usually only $5 or later $10, so worth it), and i managed to save damn near every one of them.
i remember when my daughter was 8, and she opened the big trash bag of rock shirts. i'll never forget the look on her face as she went through these names: starting with my first show at the Big A in 1974 - Lynyrd Skynyrd, then Aerosmith, KISS, Alice Cooper, Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, AC/DC (BON YEARS) and many more; then into new wave shows: Cars, Blondie, Pretenders, a fake Sex Pistols shirt (though i saw the infamous Frisco show in the late 70s, believe it or not; my parents didn't know where i was for days!), the Knack; then into the 80s metal years, and on and on,
probably 100 shirts.
she wore some around for a while, which was cute, but then one of her friends cringed at it, and that was it -- no more rock shirts.
so, my music to her is like my parents' Elvis music was to me - anathema.
truly funny! it's been fun reminiscing about it, for sure.
Jim in LA -
Just like I turned my nose up at my father's music. He loved swing and was a great ballroom dancer. He told me my music was just a big bunch of noise and we would always fight over the car radio. I think I won half the time.
"and the seasons, they go round and round and the painted ponies go up and down, we're captive on the carousel of time..."
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Still. Beats workin'.
Backslider
fuck, as someone who's done nothing BUT work since i stopped playing full time, i can only say this: truer words were never spoken.
still, i'm glad i went parenting -- i literally teetered on the decision for a year. but with my kids in HS now and my son a senior, it's been worth it. i'm a "young" dad! hah. most people seem to have kids at ages now ensuring they'll need walkers to attend graduation. that's cool, but not for me.
what i'd really like to do is some dinosaur band (like the 80s "dinosaurs" in frisco, that i used to see -- with guys from old 60s bands, like barry melton "fish" and john the quicksilver guitarist), only with old still-decent not-so-famous metal era guys.
JUST what this world needs. fun, offensive, and yet our cars don't pound like pile drivers when we pull up next to you at the stop light.
Backslider, Jim & cosmic G -
Really, you guys should get together and play sometime. Seriously, if we do a meetup after the election, an idea we've tossed around a bit, bring your instruments. I think you'll find a fan base...
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i have a feeling slider and G would be awesome together, but i'd be the city mouse to their country cousins. still, i'd try!
have a good night, jenny. take care.
Slider - I've moved too many times to be much of an archivist of anything besides books and records (Boston rents are harsh), but I still cherish the framed print I have to the right of the computer.. A Hatch Show Print of a long-forgotten Shaver show at The Exit-In, which I had signed by both Billy Joe & Eddy, the first time they played Boston.(1994?) I'm keeping that forever..
Yayhoos have had bad luck in this town.. 1st Show was was at a Back Back Club immediately following an absolutely COSMIC Johnny Cash Show next door - it also happened to be the night of the GREAT BLIZZARD..Only about 30 people (including me & my pals) were dumb enough to not go home - and they rocked with conviction.. 2nd Time was a coupla days after 9/11.. Need I Say more? I'll go see them again, anytime..
Grappler, your mentor is welcome in my home anytime..
Backslider,
While all the bass players you mention are good, IMHO the bassist that was from another galaxy (rock division) was the late John Entwhistle, the man was soooooo smooth and fluid it was a lesson every time I saw the Who. You want the absolute greatest bassist ever? Listen to Weather Report, and listen to the notes the late Jaco Pastorius was able to squeeze out of that thing. His eponymous solo debut was a work of beauty, then he went on to work with Zawinnul & Shorter in W/R, and made them sound so much better.
Yeah I know I sound like a pretentious asshole using the word eponymous, but I like it, one of my favorite words in the english language. I rank it right up there with insouciant
Hell, I'd play with grappler and Jim. Blues is my point of origin, sure, but remember: I'm a Motorhead fanatic, and you don't get to metal without Lemmy.
bill buckner,
That's beautiful, man. I talked to Billy Joe a bit late last when he came through, and I saw him in Austin the spring after his son died. He sang songs from his latest album, which was all about family and the recent loss of his mom and wife. It was indescribible. Like looking inside a man's private grief and pain, and I feel blessed to have seen it. Like I said, beautiful man.
The Yayhoos do pretty good in Atlanta, naturally given its Baird's hometown. I've gotten to be pretty friendly with Dan (though I think he's a bit scared of me) and former Satellites guitarist Rick Richards (who jamed with my band once on a Faces song with me singing; I can die now). I saw the reunion show they did last February with the original line-up (including Christopher). God, that was awesome.
And speaking of parents, funnily enough, up until I was 13 so, I listened to the same music my folks did. Country from the past and present (given that modern pop and rock was garbage, or at least what I heard in Mississippi), lots of Southern soul and my mom's Irish folk music. For them, rock & roll stopped when the Beatles hit town - with a nod towards Creedence, of course - so that's where it ended for me. My mom still has some scratchy old Sun releases by Jerry Lee Lewis. Loved that shit, Elvis, Chuck, Little Richard and all the rest. Still do.
And I'm old enough to remember when 8-tracks were the medium of choice. One of my earliest memories is of lying in the black Mississippi night - darker than dark out in the woods - hearing Percy Sledge singing "When A Man Loves A Woman" followed by that silence, the ever-popular ka-CHUNK of the 8-track changing channels, then Aretha belting out "Do Right Man, Do Right Woman". Nothing to break the darkness of a moonless night without a streetlight in sight for 20 miles but that little green glow and sweet soul music coming from the speakers.
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Bubba,
Yeah, both Entwhistle and Jaco were monsters. I favor the former over the latter, but Jaco was stunning. Every thing he played, he added something special to it. It wasn't his playing - though extraodinary - but the fact he worked to make the song a good song rather than a showcase for his chops. Would that more chop-monsters follow his lead.
And The Ox...man, that guy was a demon. Never saw the Who but I saw him solo back 10 years ago. Just effortless and powerful, like watching Thor chunk his hammer I don't even try to match his thunder stuff, but I can get close to the more melodic stuff he did, like on "Magic Bus".
Plus, the attitude. "Yeah, I'm a bad motherfucker. So?" Just cool, cool, cool. Moon was a maniac, Daltrey was a tough guy and Towser was (and still is) a complete basket case, but Entwhistle was cool on four strings personified.
Slider - I've moved too many times to be much of an archivist of anything besides books and records (Boston rents are harsh), but I still cherish the framed print I have to the right of the computer.. A Hatch Show Print of a long-forgotten Shaver show at The Exit-In, which I had signed by both Billy Joe & Eddy, the first time they played Boston.(1994?) I'm keeping that forever..
Yayhoos have had bad luck in this town.. 1st Show was was at a Back Back Club immediately following an absolutely COSMIC Johnny Cash Show next door - it also happened to be the night of the GREAT BLIZZARD..Only about 30 people (including me & my pals) were dumb enough to not go home - and they rocked with conviction.. 2nd Time was a coupla days after 9/11.. Need I Say more? I'll go see them again, anytime..
Grappler, your mentor is welcome in my home anytime..
Jesus...what a travesty.
We got BOTH damn parties sitting there pretending they are something they are not. The Rethugs hiding their main players, in favor of the facade of "compassionate conservatives" they trot out every four years.Like everyone is supposed to forget they are lead by a nutcase with severe mental problems and a staff of thugs and vicious nutcases that want to maximize profit to the military industrial complex, kill ANY social programs by starvation, and perpetuate terrorism for as long as they think it works for them.
And Dummocrats, so spineless they don't stand what the fucking STAND for for gods sake. They are really gonna drive some folks to voting for Nader. What a CROC. That they are disowning Moore, along with that they managed to shut Kucinich up, so he doesn't ruin their party by bringing up the fiasco that the republicans have been making...oh yeah, and also so he doesn't represent the millions of democrats that consider the fucking war wrong from the GIT-GO...
It's disgusting. We need another VIABLE party. We need reform. We need to do some serious changing of the lobbying network and influence of corporations by donations in our elections. We need to hold Congress responsible for their voting.
I have no idea how that can be acheived, except it has to happen or this country is going to really degenerate in the next few years to be a fascist state. There is NO question about that...it has already happened, but there has to be some way of getting representation before it gets set in stone.
Politics is a really NAST business.
I realize that I am not the target audience of the democrats, even though I cannot stand the neoconservatives, Bush and what he's done to this country, Bush himself..pretending to be the common man, I am MADE for the democrats, yet they do everything in their power to get rid of me.
I opposed the war and SAW clearly just by reading and thinking that the war was bullshit, that it was a lang ago decided thing and they were just drumming up business...rolling out their product. I think it is criminal that we don't have health care for all (call it socialized medicine...if you want, we have socialized highways for gods sake, no one whines about that, socialized law enforcement, armies, why the hell NOT health?) etc. etc.
And I realize then that Kerry and the party are NOT interested in me, because they have calculated that I am going to vote for Kerry no matter what just to get rid of the plague of Bush. The thing is, they are selling their collective soul to the devil in trying to support an immoral and idiotic war just so they don't look "weak on security". The fact that they are playing to the citizens that cannot see that we are actually drumming up terrorism with our hegemony, that the fucking idiotic "debate" or criteria is actually WHICH is the candidate that once he makes a decision sticks with it no matter how much new information he has...in other words, we think it is strength to not have the ability to reevaluate, not to be able to admit any mistakes, this all is horrifying. The bar is so low now, I fear that the country won't survive.
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Hi Toby Petzoid and thanks for your comments! If you were old enough, you should vote for our Dad, even though we like SWR and patriotboy lots more than we like losers like you! Our Dad is always very resolutely telling us to stay away from losers! And, our Dad used to be friends with Tony Blair, who knows Margaret Thatcher! Margaret doesn't like Bob Marley, but our Mom does! She listens to Bob Marley records while she smokes and drinks in the White House! So Toby, when you get old enough, you should vote for our resolute Dad.
To expand on what I meant earlier just a little more...
I think our society is becoming less moral (in the TRUE sonse of it, not the conservative "family values" way) all the time. We also are far less observant and acute in our judgements or even understanding.
A great deal of americans cannot even use the language precisely. This all leads to the kind of fuzzy ideals such as our shifting conception of what "strength" is, what "leadership" is, what "responsibility" is...
Rumsfeld, the Pres, at one time or another have "taken responsibility" for total screw-ups, and....nothing. No consequences at all. No censure, nothing. No responsibility. Yet many people believe they are being responsible just because they say they are.
Watch Bush when the planes hit, in that classroom. Is THAT a leader? Remember the LONG time before he even was seen on TV to reassure the nation? He says the secret service kept him from making a statement. We just buy that, with no critical thinking telling us, if Bin Laden can make a statement on tape, with the whole worlds resources looking for him, Bush sure as hell could have made a statement to be a leader in that critical time just after it all came crashing down.
But because a news commentator says he was "presidential" or "showing leadership" people just buy it. Ever notice, some robbery happens, and the newspapers love to call it "well-planned" and say how the robbers were "professional"....and then you read about what they actually did and it was run-of-the-mill.
If you go for a job as a copy machine techician, or some places as a janitor, the personell departments often will ask an applicant "what would you say is your worst trait?"
Someone that answers "that I am too much a perfectionist" is perceived as being deceiptful, someone that says "I really can't think of any" is seen as being completely out of touch with themselves. Funny that a president being asked "have you made any mistakes as president" would roll his eyes, and pretend to be thinking only to come back with "no...can't think of anything"....he wouldn't have been hired as a janitor, yet he wants to be chosen as president?
Irony is lost...no one recognizes it anymore. We ought to laugh out loud when a bunch of folks that dodged the vietnam war can call in question the patriotism of one who went even though he could have gotten out of it.
Or that yammer about "family values" and yet when the Clintons decided to keep the family together, were hanged out to dry...they would have supposedly liked it better if it ended in divorce?
What a lot of folks now see as "strong" is often just show, play-toughness. Real tough people don't clench their teeth and make squinty eyes and bleat out "bring 'em on"... that ain't toughness, especially when others have to pay for it.
We need to get to the REAL values and stop letting news media, and politicians, and filmmakers decide it for us.
Damn, I miss all the good music conversation cos I'm not a night-owl like I used to be. Dammit.
So, let me see if I understand. Dems are only for free speech if that speech is aimed at George Bush, John Ashcroft, Dick Cheney, et al. If anyone has legitimate concerns about a Democratic candidate ala Kerry/Edwards, we must keep them to ourselves until we win the Whitehouse and then, we can tap them on the shoulder and say, "BTW, when are we leaving Iraq, Mr. Kerry?".
The fact that the Democratic Convention has turned Boston into a police-state, Moore is being denied press credentials, and the level of hatred in the posts towards anyone daring to express a contrary opinion is enough for me.
Yeah, four or eight or whatever amount of time the Dems have control of DC will give us back our wild salmon, stop the proliferation of nuclear weapons, end war, and restore economic equity to all Americans.
If you believe that, you are more deluded than I thought.
Rather than lob more hate-filled screeds at those of us who don't think Kerry is the 2nd coming of Jesus, why don't you show us when voting Democrat (or Republican for that matter) has made any difference in the last 50 years (if it ever has)?
Personally, I'm disappointed with liberals/progressives and have pretty much decided at this point that voting is out of the question.
Talk about burying ones head--every time their guy gets into power, they stick their head in the sand and stop working for four or eight years, while things just get worse.
Revolution my ass!
why don't you show us when voting Democrat (or Republican for that matter) has made any difference in the last 50 years
Um, Jim, Have you been on Mars for the last 3+ years? Voting Democratic in the last presidential election would have made a huge difference for the 900+ Americans and uncounted Iraqis who've been killed to make up for George Bush's inferiority complex. We'd still have a surplus instead of a deficit, and if you don't think that makes a difference, well, we're all about to find out that it does.
Are the Democrats always as bold and decisive as I'd like? No. Are they different from the fundie/fascist/greedy-grabbers we've got in power right now? You betcha.
It will take you maybe 15 minutes to vote. Voting for Kerry couln't hurt and might be very important. Don't stay home; we need every vote we can get.
Hecate,
Maybe I'm being too hyperbolic--I have that tendency, I admit that.
There are differences, I just don't know if they are enough. It's the old argument of reform vs. systemic change. Does reform work? I think it really doesn't--electing Kerry might slow the death march to a slow trot versus a mad dash. There I go, with the hyperbole.
I admit, I'm not really a Democrat--I hate the neo-cons/Bush fundies as much as anyone. I just want some of the ideas that DK and Dean brought up during the campaign to be given precedence by Kerry/Edwards, rather than the same old corporate agenda.
Is that too much to ask of a party that says they offer a difference?
Over the past four years, outside of a few renegades in the party, our Democratic leadership has pretty much gone along with everything the Fuhrer has asked for.
I understand the quest for the Whitehouse--power is a corrupting force. Let's not all lose our heads over winning back the oval office.
Regardless of who wins in November, there's still alot of work to be done and I hope we all will continue to do the important stuff and stay energized and dare to hold Kerry to some of the progressive ideas that other candidates brought forth.
We are supposed to be the good guys, for god's sake!!
Oh, and I'll probably put away the hyperbole and go to the polls and you know who I'll pull the lever for.
If anyone has legitimate concerns about a Democratic candidate ala Kerry/Edwards, we must keep them to ourselves until we win the Whitehouse... The fact that the Democratic Convention has turned Boston into a police-state
Hold your horsies. We've read right here, in fact, that Mass. Republican governor Mitt Romney has thrown every roadblock in the way of the Democratic Convention in Boston, since planss were first made to hold it there. Attempts to move it to someplace more generally problematic and out of the city, burdensome regulations (SO nice to be able to throw THAT old line at these bastards!), etc.
Can you really be sure that these weren't really the state's "security" measures, designed specifically as a "Look! SEE? The Democrats are just as appallingly restrictive as BUSH!" image sabotage by Romney? Meant only for that quick hit piece about it on CNN and the SCLM?
Um, no, you can't. Stop on back when you are!
Oh, and I'll probably put away the hyperbole and go to the polls and you know who I'll pull the lever for.
Jim,
I agree with you that once we win the WH, and hopefully at least one house of Congress, that's when the real work starts. The Dems in the House and Senate, with some shining exceptions, really haven't distinguished themselves. But if we can get the WH and maybe one house of Congress, I think we'll have a better chance of getting ourselves heard.
revolution? i think not. electing another wealthy white guy is far from revolution.please, please, please do not use this word in such an idiotic way.
revolution would mean overturning a two party system and possibly parties as viable entities.
On Hammerty and Clones they showed a poll that 44% to 40% of Fox viewers say Kerry shares there values more than Bush. That is major. If all Bush can get is 40% from his core group, he is real trouble.
By the way Colmes gets steamrolled by Hannity not thru logic or coherence (not by a long shot) but non stop drivel. If you listen Colmes ask some very good questions most of the time. It ain't his fault he's outnumbered or that his partner has delusions so profound it makes him deaf.
I am just LAUGHING MY ASS OFF reading all of the posts here. You people are just full of little gems of wisdom that elicit outright guffaws from conservatives such as yours truly.
Item #1 - The media is conservative! Whoa! Check out your own liberal reviewers and they will tell you that the media is actually dominated by - you guessed it -LIBERALS! Not only this (as if that wasn't bad enough), but they are BIASED as well! hahahahahaha
Item #2 - "John Kerry, Vietnam Vet, a man who knows about war, complicated, battle scarred, great depth and reason" Oh stop, please! I'm laughing so hard it HURTS! Lets review Mr. Kerry's "war" record, shall we? He wrote up HIS OWN Purple Heart citations after the C.O. wouldn't do it. His fellow swift boat Captains have totally debunked his so-called "leadership." And finally (as if anything else is needed) his picture hangs in the war museum in Ho Chi Minh city with a glowing caption about how HE HELPED THEM WIN THE WAR! Give me a break! Even Jane Fonda can't top his record for outright sedition. Go back and listen to his testimony before Congress when he returned from Vietnam. Do you people want an admitted WAR CRIMINAL for the commander-in-chief? Come on!
I could go on, but I'm sure what I've said so far will bring on pitiful howling from all you little children here!
BTW, Please go look up the definition of "trolling" with respect to posting on a blog.
IT DOES NOT MEAN people who disagree with you! I just laugh when I see some of you using a term that clearly you have no idea the meaning of...
I swear i am moving to Canada with or without my family if Bush wins.... grr.. he is such an idiot...
revolution? i think not. electing another wealthy white guy is far from revolution.please, please, please do not use this word in such an idiotic way.
revolution would mean overturning a two party system and possibly parties as viable entities.
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any luck with the motorhead?
Backslider: Lemmy (frontman and bassist for Motorhead) is a pretty tough cat to rip from because he plays so loud and so distorted. And, I believe, he tunes down a step, which makes it even tougher on a tin ear like mine. On the plus side, he keeps it pretty straight-forward: mostly major chords, lots of 8th notes, few changes. I can't quite match his speed, either, which is frustrating as hell.
One thing I've discovered that helps with figuring out bass lines is to put the song on LOUD in the basement, then go and listen to it upstairs.
The bass notes carry better than the other instruments, and this can sometimes enable you to hear the bass melody that was drowned out by the rest of the band.
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