I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Can't hear you. Speak up.
Sounds like my luck. Get a great opportunity, have a wonder experience and then, just before it really gets good --
Catastrophe!
No drunken hooting at Faux around the hotel bar for you, I guess. Take it seriously, and really do not talk.
should be wonderFUL, but "wonder experience" works, too, I guess.
Know any good ventriloquists?
Or maybe pie, Athenae, Tena and Holden can talk for you!
Atrios,
How did you come to get it?
Back in 99' I had to keep clearing my throat, sinus problems, and was constantly doing this over the course of an entire night and day. As a result I strained my throat somehow and lost my voice for a week.
It wasn't lost completely, but I was down to whisper like, scratchy, and I couldn't speek more than a sentence before it would start to itch and such.
It wasn't pretty.
MYOB'
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When I was young, my grandmother always gave me hard liquor with a spoonfull of honey whenever I was sick. Have you tried hard liquor?
never tried hard liquor. perhaps tonight i'll try for the first time.
Try a hot toddy made with bourbon, honey, some hot water just off the boil, and a little bit of butter melted in. Even if it doesn't work, you won't be mindin'...
Well then, I'm sure you'll be fine. Get well soon.
Don't forget the honey! That's the bit for the laryngitis, actually; the hard liquor is just to get you relax I suspect.
Not to sound like some kind of hippy...but elderberry tea (or the syrup, if you can get it) works wonders. Has to be almost undrinkably strong though. And you have to put up with sweating uncontrollably all night long.
the hard liquor is just to get you relax I suspect.
Echidne
As if excuses are necessary!
Actually, I think the liquor may help remove irritating mucous from the throat. Or something.
make the hot toddy with lemonade and bourbon.
In dire emergencies, you can even use lemonade powder (sigh) and nuke the whole thing in the microwave.
Dr. Melic, toddy expert.
Ah, it'll just make you that much more mysterious. You'll be walking around the convention with that big black dot on your face and you won't say a word.
Everyone'll be talking about you.
I get my best cases of laryngitis in the summer time. Once, I went for an interview for a job with laryngitis because they thought I had the right qualifications, and they wanted to see me ASAP. They were willing to put up with a whisper. Halfway through the interview, I got a tickle in my throat and had to be excused to get water! They were impressed with me, and were ready to hire me, but the job position was eliminated before they hired anyone.
Try a hot toddy made with bourbon, honey, some hot water just off the boil, and a little bit of butter melted in.
This reminds of a recipe Niel Young once advocated called Honey Slides. I hear it really helped during the recording of "On the Beach" (a must own). Although the main ingredient wasn't bourbon...hmm. Maybe I'll find it on Epicurious.
Not to sound like some kind of hippy...
Actually, I think the liquor may help remove irritating mucous from the throat.
Works for me.
I work with some professionals who do voice over work.
A few tips from them.
1) Avoid milk and dairy products, they are mucus producing for most adults
2) Apples. They keep your throat moist and don't dry our the vocal cords.
My voice over coach recommends bringing an apple to auditions and sessions.
3) Whispering is just as tough on your throat as talking in a low voice.
Don't talk. (Will that make Mrs. Smith happy?)
More than willing to give you a crash course as to How To Speak Like A Fucking Bostonian..
Of course on the new Stargate Atlantis show they talk about how unconsciously this guy didn't really WANT to lose his energy shield. Maybe your body is trying to tell you something. (cue twilite zone music)
spocko's right. Not talking/whispering/grunting/etc. is key. You will make it worse if you talk. If you can keep quiet and well hydrated for the next few days it'll go away.
wow. i'm writing all of this down. you guys rock.
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Feel better soon, Atrios.
Bummer, Atrios. I have a friend who gets laryngitis frequently, but it doesn't last long. Maybe yours will clear up quickly - for most people it seems to go that way from what I can tell. And a raspy voice is sexy anyway.
Oooo -- and sorbets are good, too. Very soothing, and no dairy in them to make you want to clear your throat.
One mint tea bag, plus one chamomile teabag. Steep 5 minutes in hot water. Add a bunch of honey and some cold water. A little rum or brandy woudn't hurt. Drink. Watch TV. Go to bed.
Wake up and elect Ralph
Were you recently on an airplane with Syrians?
Atrios,
Seriously - as others have said, liquids, honey and lemon, and keep yer trap shut. And lots of vitamin c.
If that doesn't do the trick, smile and hug people a lot.
Hell, that's good advice for everyone.
Sorry for straying off topic (hard liquor), but has anyone read the article in the WaPo about CIA agents assisting Swedish officials in the renditions of two Egyptian men? Its quite strange and seedy.
One mint tea bag, plus one chamomile teabag. Steep 5 minutes in hot water. Add a bunch of honey and some cold water. A little rum or brandy woudn't hurt. Drink. Watch TV. Go to bed.
Wake up and elect Ralph
Actually, I think the liquor may help remove irritating mucous from the throat.
Aha! So that's why Jameson Irish Whisky 'cuts the phlegm'... I always wondered what Kinky Friedman meant by that, but now I don't have to. Thanks MoniCA!
Don't type so loud. I'm sure it's not good for you.
You have my sympathies, though. I get laryngitis at least once a year. A bit of honey in some brandy helps me.[/hic]
When you're feeling really contagious, that's the time to let yourself be interviewed by Fox.
And what the voice actors recommend works, too. Doctors always tell me to cut back on all talking and the dairy when I get laryngitis. Especially the talking. From what I understand, whispering is even harder on your larynx than talking.
But the brandy and honey (never mixed it with lemon or anything else) definitely works wonders.
Pile blankets on and sleep. Sleep. Sleep some more, and when you wake up, go back to sleep.
Do not, under any circumstances, ignore a fever if one develops. Don't ignore it for five days, such that you end up fainting and ending up in the hospital. That's not fun.
Feel better soon, Atrios. S' been good having you back.
A.
Rum. Rum, a bit of butter, hot water. That's what my dear old mom used to give me when I was sick.
A friend's dear old granny used to prescribe hot tea sweetened with raspberry jam, but it had to be the raspberry jam with seeds. The seeds were mysteriously important. Don't know why, but hey, if that's what someone's Lithuanian granny recommends, who am I to argue?
But I still like my mom's remedy better.
If you've got associated nasal or sinus gloppiness, there's a little aerosol can of saline solution (water + salt) that is the best remedy for that kind of thing I've ever experienced. Simply Saline, that's the name of it. Big chain drugstores have it with the allergy stuff. About $6 a bottle.
Good luck, Atrios! Drink lots of fluids. Rest as much as you can (yeah, right, convention week, rest, sure). Don't whisper -- it's really harder on the mechanism than shouting.
Thanks LJ, ya know, I'm going to try out some of that brandy and honey right now.
(No, I don't have laryngitis, why do you ask?)
Can you get one of those voice synth things like Stephen Hawking has? That would be cool. You could say that it was to disguise your voice. (You are wearing that black dot, right?)
Rum. Rum, a bit of butter, hot water. That's what my dear old mom used to give me when I was sick.
A friend's dear old granny used to prescribe hot tea sweetened with raspberry jam, but it had to be the raspberry jam with seeds. The seeds were mysteriously important. Don't know why, but hey, if that's what someone's Lithuanian granny recommends, who am I to argue?
But I still like my mom's remedy better.
If you've got associated nasal or sinus gloppiness, there's a little aerosol can of saline solution (water + salt) that is the best remedy for that kind of thing I've ever experienced. Simply Saline, that's the name of it. Big chain drugstores have it with the allergy stuff. About $6 a bottle.
Good luck, Atrios! Drink lots of fluids. Rest as much as you can (yeah, right, convention week, rest, sure). Don't whisper -- it's really harder on the mechanism than shouting.
Please pardon my double post and have two drinks of hot buttered rum. Or raspberry tea, as you prefer.
The key to the toddy recipes is the hot water, honey and butter + liquor (usually amber-colored stuff). I've always used bourbon, but brandy and rum work, too.
The best thing is lots of sleep and not a peep! Athenae's all too right about the fever thing, too. You can really run yourself down fast if you try to ignore that stuff out of a sense of not being the sort of person who gets sick. My husband had a miserable time this past winter doing exactly that.
Peppermint candies help out a sore throat, I've always found. Get the good kind, the soft candy. Doesn't make it go away, of course, just makes the time between actual medicine easier.
You sound like my brother. He always gets laryngitis and the flu in the hottest part of the summer. For the sake of Elvis, don't do what he does: lay off the sweet leaf, if of course, that's ever an option.
Honey is the stuff. It has natural antibiotic properties, so much so that Imhotep used it as a wound dressing for workers on the Pyramids. If you can, find the most unprocessed honey you can (and in Boston, that's not too hard of a problem.)
Lemon juice is also good. I've known plenty of actors who swore by it to keep their vocal chords limber for weeks at a time.
Oxycontin, my boy!
For the sake of Elvis, don't do what he does: lay off the sweet leaf, if of course, that's ever an option.
Yeah but some "special" brownie butter in that toddy would be awesome!
Yeah but some "special" brownie butter in that toddy would be awesome!
MoniCA | Email | Homepage | 07.25.04 - 12:54 am | #
Oh, yeah...didn't think of that. Take my advice, though: don't eat too many brownies. A friend of mine got married recently, and at his reception, they had pot cupcakes. I ate like four because they were so good, and got so high I needed a step-ladder to scratch my ass. I started the normal preaching I do when I'm stoned and feeling good, but considering the circumstances, I kissed the pride, shook hands with the groom and took my goofy ass home.
I had to think for a second as to why exactly laryngitis would be a problem for a blogger. Then I remembered the date and the location...
Some Mafioso breakin' your fingers, now THAT'S a problem for a blogger.
I get the feeling that you're not going to be strictly anonymous for very much longer, Atrios. Too bad. But hopefully I'm wrong.
I have tonsillitis, goddamn it, felt the throat pain and the fever when I woke up this morning. The back of my throat hurts like hell.
Sucks.
Oh, there's also this stuff called "Singer's Saving Grace." It's some kind of herbal spray they have in health-food stores. Numbs sore throats INSTANTLY.
Don't know what's in it...probably honey, echinacea, propolis, and stuff like that.
Works like a charm, though. Got me through some of the worst sore throats of my life...
Could it be chickenitis or nervousitis?
Gargle with black velvet. Swallow and repeat. It always works for me. Always.
Philalethes,
I've seen that stuff before. There's a brand called Throat Coat, too. It comes highly recommended.
I make a big batch of Limoncello every Jan. 1st. It's made by fermenting lemon peels in everclear for about a week. It does zippo to cure laryngitis or anything else, but my family loves to get sick just to have an excuse to "need" it!
Why can't that fucking hack Kaus get laryngitis?
I have tonsillitis, goddamn it, felt the throat pain and the fever when I woke up this morning. The back of my throat hurts like hell.
Sucks.
Thersites
YOUR prescription is a salty water and peroxide gargle, served as hot as you can stand it and resorted to without fail on the half-hour.
If that doesn't work, go to a deserted crossroads at midnight with a bucket of calf's blood, pour it on the ground, and spin around three times. When a tall, angry-looking guy with horns pops out of the ground, ask him if he's got any cough drops.
Of course, if you take one, you'll burn in Hell for eternity when you die...but it sure beats having tonsilitis!
There's a brand called Throat Coat, too. It comes highly recommended.
TC's great for moistening the tissues and making it easier to swallow...but for pain relief you can't beat "Singer's Saving Grace"!
OT, but isn't this the same committee that's sitting on the DeLay charges?
WASHINGTON - The Justice Department has referred to the Senate Ethics Committee an investigation into whether Sen. Richard Shelby of Alabama or his staff leaked classified information, indicating that criminal charges are highly unlikely, a federal law enforcement official said Saturday.
The referral Thursday means that it is now up to the ethics panel to decide if any action is warranted against Shelby, a Republican who was vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee at the time of the Sept. 11, 2001 terror attacks.
Both the House and Senate intelligence committees were also briefed by prosecutors and the FBI about the findings of the investigation, said the law enforcement official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the probe remains officially open.
The investigation concerned the 2002 disclosure to news reporters of two messages intercepted by the National Security Agency a day before the Sept. 11 terror attacks. Those messages contained the words "the match begins tomorrow" and "tomorrow is zero day" but they were not translated from Arabic until Sept. 12.
The intercepts had been disclosed by the NSA director, Lt. Gen. Michael Hayden, during a private meeting of a joint House-Senate intelligence committee that investigated the Sept. 11 attacks. Shelby was on the panel at the time.
Esp. liked this part:
The specificity of the wording in the 2002 leaks was particularly troubling to intelligence officials because it could tip off terrorists that a particular channel they were using had been compromised and thus dry up a valuable source of information by prompting them to use alternative means of communication.
Look! Sandy Berger's wearing socks!!!
When a tall, angry-looking guy with horns pops out of the ground, ask him if he's got any cough drops.
Why would Richard Perle give me cough drops?
It's global warming.
Brownies -- oh my. A friend who has rheumatoid arthritis (as do I, so we share stories) says she was having a nasty flare and felt real crappy one week, dragged her miserable butt to a party where they happened to have special brownies, had two, and bingo -- she says the brownies did more for her than a prednisone burst. Says she felt like the fifteen-year-old gymnast she used to be -- and that lovely effect stuck around for a while. Damn. I gotta get me some o' dat.
Yet another reason to push for medical marijuana -- your neighbors with rheumatoid arthritis could benefit!
Brownies -- oh my. A friend who has rheumatoid arthritis (as do I, so we share stories) says she was having a nasty flare and felt real crappy one week, dragged her miserable butt to a party where they happened to have special brownies, had two, and bingo -- she says the brownies did more for her than a prednisone burst. Says she felt like the fifteen-year-old gymnast she used to be -- and that lovely effect stuck around for a while. Damn. I gotta get me some o' dat.
Yet another reason to push for medical marijuana -- your neighbors with rheumatoid arthritis could benefit!
As long as it doesn't affect your typing!
Seriously -- take cold medicine, and stay hydrated.
And perhaps it will be a bit of a blessing in disguise. Sometimes, when you don't talk, you notice things you wouldn;t have noticed before when you were trying to think of what to say.
Damn computer. Have two brownies. I give up, my computer's bewitched.
How typical and how sad to see that in a time of unprecedented exponential growth of the medecal arts, that "Atrios" and his rabble of poorly-educated minions should think themselves compitent to "prescribe" medicaments surely without proven medical worth, rather than "take their chances" with the fruits of the "medical-industrial complex" or whatever you refugees for science call it.
Truly, this is just one more example of why millions of people who read this blog will see that a vote for Kerry is not merely a vote for hatred and vitriol, but for disccredited magical thinking and suerstituious quack remedies long laughed at by the civilized.
Damn computer. Have two brownies. I give up, my computer's bewitched.
OT,
Heeeeeeerrrrrrrrr's Nader!
The Democratic National Convention that gathers in Boston this week to nominate John F. Kerry for president will be more like a coronation than a competition. Huzzahs, speeches, bands, balloons. These affairs have long lost any suspense or spontaneity, but somewhere amid the endless corporate schmoozing and lobbyist glad-handing, you'd expect an ounce of inspiration.
Instead, voters will watch (or, rather, not watch) as more than $13 million of their tax dollars (the amount allotted by the federal government for each convention) is spent on saying very little of substance.
So can just anyone come along, write the most idiotic piece of shit they can think of, and sign "David Patterson" to it?
Cool game!
David Patterson | Email | Homepage | 07.25.04 - 1:25 am | #
Ya know, I don't know for sure if that's a parody of that goofball or the real deal.
"How typical and how sad to see that in a time of unprecedented exponential growth of the medecal arts, that "Atrios" and his rabble of poorly-educated minions should think themselves compitent..."
Watch who you call poorly educated, David Patterson. We know how to spell medical and competent; obviously you don't!
Ya know, I don't know for sure if that's a parody of that goofball or the real deal.
Backslider
Doesn't reflect too well on DP, does it?
It was a gag. I hate meta-trolling usually...but I thought "Eh, just this once."
Who's David Patterson?
(Stay away from James Patterson -- terrible mystery writer.)
((though still oo better than roger l simon I am sure.))
the official british remedy for laryngitis: gargle with salt water. or better, dissolve aspirin in warm water and gargle.
this works much better if you happen to have those european aspirin tablets that fizz in water, but a little grinding of aspirin with the back of a spoon kinda works too.
Ya know, I don't know for sure if that's a parody of that goofball or the real deal.
That's because anybody with rudimentary computer skills can run the Patterson Program.
David's at home (Not DC) workin' on a new handle and a new angle.
What a weenie.
I ate like four because they were so good, and got so high I needed a step-ladder to scratch my ass.
I've gotten that high only once. I haven't touched it since. I figured I'd never top that buzz, so why disappoint myself.
Although if they ever legalize it, I'll fire up every single day. My version of a cocktail hour. I'd do it now, but I have the kind of luck that makes me an example if I do once or a few times what other people are doing all the time. I don't wanna go to jail. Been there (forgot to pay a ticket), done that. Don't want to go back.
So can just anyone come along, write the most idiotic piece of shit they can think of, and sign "David Patterson" to it?
If the past is any guide, then "yes."
I don't wanna go to jail. Been there (forgot to pay a ticket), done that. Don't want to go back.
We'll take up a collection and bail you out!
"disccredited magical thinking and suerstituious..."
God, it gets worse. David Patterson wrote that gibberish too! Despite his sneering tone, I think he has been tossing back a few of our home remedies for laryngitis!
I'm still freaked that DP thought I was a man and invited me for drinks.
That was actually a pretty good David Patterson parody. Not quite as flouncy or supercilious as the original, but in the ballpark.
DP is pure comedy gold.
LJ,
I've given up trying to find and/or top the ultimate high. I've had several, frankly, and they're not all they're cracked up to be. I imagine I fire up at least once a day, usually when I get off work. It's replaced the afternoon beer, and is much, much better. Music sounds rounder, the things I see are neater looking and the words I read are clearer.
Susan:
Just so you know: That's not DP. Someone here is having some fun at his expense.
OT, but Roger Ailes has a great little song parody up...
Aw, Phila--Honey, I thought you would like to see me in restraints. Or put me in some yourself. I can be quite uncooperative, you know.
God, it gets worse. David Patterson wrote that gibberish too!
Susan: Though it's possible that David Patterson is the stupidest and most pretentious man alive--and while he's written gibberish far more nonsensical than the above--the fact remains that he didn't write that...I did.
That's the number for Morton Prince Mental health Center.
Seems Roger Ailes (THE REAL ROGER AILES) is off his medications. He may need to call that number.
Attribution:
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/0407.../
nysa014_1.html
Proof Roger's nuts: About OUTFOXED: "Their assumption is people made us No. 1 because people are stupid."
As for CNN, he asks: why do they hate America? "CNN International, Al-Jazeera and BBC are the same in how they report mostly that America is wrong and bad."
No Roger, you're crazy. And you hate America.
Call the number above, Roger. Operators are standing by.
I'm still freaked that DP thought I was a man and invited me for drinks.
LJ
Jeej, LJ, I had no idea that he'd "out" himself.
I almost feel sorry for him.
Though it's possible that David Patterson is the stupidest and most pretentious man alive--and while he's written gibberish far more nonsensical than the above--the fact remains that he didn't write that...I did.
ROFLMAO
It's still missing something, though. Maybe you need to play with that pickle someone recommended last night?
Yeah, I finally decided that our own supercilious David wouldn't make such silly mistakes.
(212) 369-1131
Sorry. Forgot to put in the number.
I had no idea that he'd "out" himself.
I almost feel sorry for him.
I hate to say it...but I think he was close to meaning the drinks thing after he learned that I was a girl. Was it just me or was he a lot more submissive after it?
I hate to say it...but I think he was close to meaning the drinks thing after he learned that I was a girl.
I'm pretty sure it was before- I'd have to check.
That was actually a pretty good David Patterson parody. Not quite as flouncy or supercilious as the original, but in the ballpark.
OK, I'll try again. How's about this:
Despite the attempts to project an air of eridution as bespoken by faux-classicist names like "Thersites" and "Philalethes," the undoubted lack of any verbal acuity or cognitive rigor found on these boards demonstrates that the actual educational level of these and other devotees of "Atrios" is highly questionable.
I feel certain in surmising that the more readers familiarize themselves with "Atrios"--and the other children who play in this sandbox--the more they will become cognizant that these people have nothing to offer America save for a seething hatred that cannot build up, but only tear down. Where, oh where is the "progressive" spirit in these threads? I fear that where it must once have dwelled, unreasoning vitriol has won the day, and will just as surely be rejected by the voters on November 2.
I hate to say it...but I think he was close to meaning the drinks thing after he learned that I was a girl. Was it just me or was he a lot more submissive after it?
I thought it was weird that he said he thought EVERYONE who posted here was male. WTF? At least half the posters--and many of the best--are female...and he didn't notice?
Then again, he also said that no one here had EVER criticized a Democrat...so he probably just doesn't read the posts here at all.
I hate to say it...but I think he was close to meaning the drinks thing after he learned that I was a girl.
Nope.
"LJ" or whomever:
David Patterson
1412 Fifteenth St., N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20005-1916
(202) 232-7823
Drinks at seven?
David Patterson | Email | Homepage | 07.24.04 - 2:02 am | #
Heck, DP is offering drinks at his place. Do I go?
Of course, explaining to my husband why I'm going to DC for drinks with another man in his home might present a problem, but I'm creative. I'm sure I'll think of something.
Heck, Mr LJ might let me go, if I promise to viddy the encounter. He does like a good comedy.
LJ | Email | Homepage | 07.24.04 - 2:17 am | #
You know what I have to say is strange? I admit that when I'm here, I assume that almost all the other posters are men. I have no idea why I think this, but I do. It's quite a shock to discover that someone I thought was male is in fact a woman . . .
David Patterson | Email | Homepage | 07.24.04 - 2:30 am | #
Philalethes
That is not even close for DP. After I read what you put down, it hurt man, it really hurt. I am changing my vote to Bush simply because your words, yes yours have violated my selfish sense of self esteem. How dare you!
Wait you were kidding right?
CS:
I meant in how he was acting after it. It was something about the tone of his posts.... And I remember that he felt compelled to tell me which person he looked like in the cartoon I linked to. He was almost...nice to me after learning I was a girl.
Why is everyone walking around in their bathrobe whispering hoarsely?
Heh.
Seriously, Boss, lie down NOW and stay there until it's gone... the quicker you get better, the quicker you can get back out there. Visit your doctor... inflammation of the larynx is no laughing matter.
Heh heh.
He was almost...nice to me after learning I was a girl.
LJ
It certainly adds some weight to the theory that he's in his mid-teens.
At the awful thought of DP being nice to me, I feel an incredible need to take a shower.
He was almost...nice to me after learning I was a girl.
LJ
It certainly adds some weight to the theory that he's in his mid-teens.
So only a 14 year old would be nice to me? :P
I agree though...Patterson seems a lot more tragic today than he did yesterday.
Honestly, if he comes back at all I think it'll be under one of his other names. The DP finger-puppet is a bit too threadbare now, thanks to LJ's womanly wiles.
LJ,
I see.
He did act strange after that, kinda sheepish. I guess he really does believe that we're (liberals) all a bunch of testosterone driven hate machines, as he has implied numerous times before.
And as I've said before, what an idiot.
Was it just me or was he a lot more submissive after it?
Yeah, and it was icky. The erotics of young Republicanism... yeccch.
What's frightening is that DP actually fits into a kind of subsection of the troll beastiary. "Philly G" is of the same subspecies; J used to make him stomp off Counterspin by accusing him of "cum-gargling." Both of them seem of a type -- pompous, self-righteous, smug, precious, arrogant, writing style circa the late 19th century. And incredibly uptight about sex.
My clinical dianosis is that we won't see DP for a while, though maybe he will slip in as part of a general troll invasion during the Dem convention. When he returns, though, it will be in full troll mode, pretending like nothing has happened -- sort of like the in-denial Scott Thompson businessman character in Brain Candy with his hyperhetero act (if you've seen it).
Philalethes -
You forgot to mention that I'm an assassin, ready to gun down any republican in my path. That seems to go into all the DP diatribes these days... LOL
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So only a 14 year old would be nice to me? :P
LJ
Of course not! I'm nice to ya...and I'm a doddering old fossil of 38!
Naw, I just meant that a more hardened, world-weary troll would've probably gotten MORE offensive and aggressive after being proved wrong...Patterson seemed chagrined and tonguetied...more like some little kid.
Hate to interrupt the D Patterson love in here, but just wanted to get others' takes on this story that I just ran across.
It states that Pakistan knew of 9-11 in advance, and that they've been providing Osama's dialysis...
Just don't know what to think about that.
The "drinks?" come-on was ostensibly an antagonistic dare, a figure of speech, but coming as it did after his recent repeated postings of his address (and then his phone number), it did highlight the very fine line between his bluster and neediness.
The Department, incidentally, has it on good authority that the subject is a graduate student in math education of approximately 25 years of age.
Rorschach:
The Pakistanis helping Osama? Well, imagine that.
Color me shocked.
Not.
Seriously, is this one of those cases when the Moonie UPI actually does some reporting (hey, it could happen), or is it a plant?
This is how I felt after the Shelby story broke via Fox. I'm gonna wait and see some confirmation from elsewhere before putting much credence in it.
rorschach< I don't have too hard a time believing it. The ISI and AQ are pretty tight. The only real question seems to be whether Musharref is in bed with them too, or merely trying to balance staying on Washington's good side with letting AQ-related groups and funding sources operate with impunity. There's no doubt in my mind, though, that Pakistan's not our ally in any sense, and that at least some people in its government were involved in 9/11. Google "9/11" and "ISI" and you'll get some interesting documents...some crazy, some maybe not so crazy at all...
Phila; not bad, but a little too dense. DP doesn't go in so much for long paragraphs, I don't think.
But maybe that's my impression because I've only ever skimmed his posts looking for the funny parts where he tries to be all crushing but ends up flouncing, like in the phrase "verbal acumen."
Thanks rorschach, that makes a lot of sense.
He has to get dialysis somewhere, right? It's not like he's been in a cave living on nuts and berries, though I'm sure most people would believe that.
Interesting twist.
Phila:
Honey if you're a doddering old fossil at 38, I'd hate to think what you call 42! Primordial nuclei?
atrios, you are not alone. All of Red Sox Nation has laryngitis from screaming after the Sox' unreal win over the Yanks at Fenway this evening.
Thanks for the feedback, folks. Pakistan is far from an ally, I know--the Omar Sheikh hanging is proof positive of that--but the dialysis allegations make me worry about crossing into tinfoil hat territory.
But nothing really surprises me any more...
Honey if you're a doddering old fossil at 38, I'd hate to think what you call 42! Primordial nuclei?
Krist, kids, I think i'll just crawl off and die of old age.
Or go to bed, whichever comes first.
G'night.
For anyone who hasn't seen it, Labour MP Michael Meacher has a good article on ISI/Bin Laden links here.
That was one hell of a DP impersonation.
I think all the best advice has been given re: Atrios laryngitis. Get well.
Phila:
Honey if you're a doddering old fossil at 38, I'd hate to think what you call 42!
I dunno...the sweetest flower in the garden of love?
Is it absolutely certain that Osama needs dialysis?
I've seen conflicting reports about his health. Some say he's bought dialysis machines. One Pakistani doctor claims to have seen Osama right after 9/11 after treating someone else in Al Qaeda, and Osama looked healthy to him.
The Pakistani's story is here:
http://tinyurl.com/69axn
How trustworthy this guy is, I don't know.
Phila; not bad, but a little too dense. DP doesn't go in so much for long paragraphs, I don't think.
Well, I've seen a couple where he waxes voluminous. But it's true...he more often aims for the terse and telegraphic style...or as terse as you can be when you think you're the bastard offsring of Auberon Waugh and Taki.
I hadn't thought of his prose as "flouncing" before, but if that ain't le mot juste, then what the hell is? Hats off!
Phila, you charmer you.
You just might be the 20-tongue man, after all. 
Krist, kids, I think i'll just crawl off and die of old age.
Oh boy...that much more soylent green for us!
You just might be the 20-tongue man, after all.
LJ
Hey, 50 million Frenchmen can't be wrong!
rorschach, the Times of India has done some pretty good reporting on AQ and its various linkages; I'm pretty sure I remember hearing a few important stories through them first. But I wonder if it's not a bit convenient for an Indian source to come up with a story like this? Just speculating on that point though, of course.
That said, it wouldn't surprise me at all if elements of the Pakistani military were cuddly with AQ. And it's well known that Musharraf walks a pretty fine tightrope. Maybe he's playing a wink-wink-nudge-nudge game with Islamicist factions, sort of keeping all options open. That would be pretty classic behavior for a dictator the US likes.
Thersites--
That also occurred to me; trusting India regarding Pakistan on a story that involves the US is always rather a dubious thing...
We shall see, I suppose...
as terse as you can be when you think you're the bastard offsring of Auberon Waugh and Taki.
Now that is making me laugh so hard it hurts my tender throat. One more gargle an it's bed for me. Night!
But I wonder if it's not a bit convenient for an Indian source to come up with a story like this?
It's not just the "Times"; the Indian papers have long blamed Pakistan and the ISI for 9/11, and oddly enough, have fingered Bin Laden's stronghold as being in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir.
Now why would they say that?
My understanding is that the ISI was originally the conduit through which $$$ and support flowed from the CIA to the Afghan resistance fighters, so one would assume they got chummy with OBL at that time...
Anyone care to speculate on the biological weapons in Pakistan's arsenal. I'll tell you this much: They've got PLENTY.
Good point about India v. Pakistan. My brain saw UPI and went into combat mode.
Okay, promised myself I wouldn't stay up all night again. I'm off.
You boys play nice.
Hugs all around, and a good night smooch for Phila. You didn't need your socks, anyway, hon.
Oh--one last thing...
Phila--You missed me flashing some boobies in the Open thread.
Re: Pakistan's BW (from NTI):
Indeed, the United States reported in 1996 that Islamabad had been "conducting research and development with potential biological warfare applications." It is not known whether this potential has since been realized.
Re: Bin Laden in Kashmir (from MSNBC)
The link with Pakistan is more current. One issue that distresses U.S. officials is intelligence that bin Laden, Kashmiri Muslim rebels in India and Pakistan’s Inter-Service Intelligence [ISI], its quasi-autonomous military intelligence agency, are involved in “monkey business” together. The United States used the ISI in the 1980s to fund, train and arm the Afghan mujahedin, including bin Laden, in its fight against the Soviet Red Army.
Calling it a “stew,” a “crazy soup” and a “cozy relationship,” two officials noted that the key to the relationship is Pakistan’s use of rebel insurgents in Kashmir, the troubled region that has been the subject of three wars between Pakistan and India. Muslim fighters, financed by the ISI but trained by bin Laden, have been operating in the Indian part of Kashmir.
Phila--You missed me flashing some boobies in the Open thread.
Well, Pakistan's perfidy is a serious matter...but first things first!
If I'm not back in a hour, friends...don't wait up!
Christ, get a room, you two.
Just got in for the night and I see you've gotten lots of "good" advice for your throat Atrios. Fuck all that. Smoke lots of dope - you'll get better eventually.
Nice boobies, LJ...gave me quite a woody!
mena,
Now, you know I'm a faithful follower in the Church of The Sacred Herb, but I must disagree. Pot's really bad on a sore throat. Granted, smoke enough and you don't anymore, but still.
But, on another stroke, let's see a show of hands...who'd like to see me get Atrios higher than a satellite?
Christ, get a room, you two.
Backslider
We've got one already. But what the hell are all these people doing in it?
Anyhow, time for me to turn in. Try to keep your America-hating vitriol under control while I'm away.
Toodles!
Yeah, I feel like a voyeur.
On AAR the news said something about BinLaden related e-mails that have a virus. Watch e-mails that concern his capture, death or suicide is the update. It's purportedly attached.
no clue, just passing it on to the e-aware.
But, on another stroke, let's see a show of hands...who'd like to see me get Atrios higher than a satellite?
Don't waste it on Atrios...he's high on life!
I think you ought to save it for Nedra Pickler. Free her mind, and her ass will...
Well, I guess we'll find out what it'll do. We probably better put down a tarp first, though...
I had a friend who was a singer. Licorice tea worked well for him.
Atrios, hopefully you're sleeping by now.
For the throat, as some have said, gargle with hot salt water every half hour. In between sip tea with honey and a bit of brandy. Drink lots of fluids.
I'm a veteran of the tonsilitis and laryngitis wars- those are the things that work the best (and I've tried freaking everything).
Thersites, those will work for you too. Also, I'd recommend swabbing your tonsils with hydrogen peroxide. It'll hurt, but it will help too. What you don't want is for your tonsils to get scarred like mine did. Then you'll end up getting surgery, and trust me, that hurts like a motherfucker. The pain was so bad that morphine didn't even help. I was out from work for 3 weeks. Ack. Horrible.
Actually, if you're going to be a big pussy about it, a tea made out of FRESH ginger root is the best thing for a sore throat, if there's pain involved. Ginger has anaesthetic properties, and if you sweeten the tea with honey, so much the better. Them you can smoke more (cute little smiley face).
Backslider, you can get me high anytime..
Were you recently on an airplane with Syrians?
Annie Jacobsen has found someone else to be terrified of.
Yes, I'm blog whoring, but technically, it isn't my blog.
George W. Bush has a great cure for laryngitis
Hey, I heard there was a mellow party going on here. Tea and, uh, pot. Hey, aren't you that Jesus's General dude? You're funny, man. Hey, where's that lower-case chick with the pot?
General JC is busy trying to recruit Ray Adonis for a good ol' fashion nekkid wrasslin match.
What's all this then? Mellow? Mellow our compressed to a singularity tiny yellow asses! Get some caffeine and up in that broccoli! Put some speed in that weed! Become difficult, we have no time for this easy riding!
Oh man, if it's gonna be this kinda party I'm gonna put my manhood in the ginger root.
Sorry, little sisters. We are way past mellow in this little corner of the universe. If it's any consolation, though, I have been blasting Motorhead all evening.
Okay, enough with all of that stuff. What I wanna know is just what the fuck is up with a person that assumes all of the people posting on these boards is female? When you have posters with names like Jenny from the blog, and Tena, monica_nyc, mena, and... well myself. We all have obviously female, gender-specific names.
Now this bears the question -- is DP just assuming that we're all like him? Is he one of those weird guys who pretends to be a 12-year-old girl in chatrooms or what?
Or Oldwhitelady? Does he thinks she's really a man?
Just thinking 'aloud', here.
Oh, no, man, not Motorhead, PORTIShead, man, just a nice mellow early-90's vibe. My throat is sore.
Myself, I'm listening to the soundtrack CD box set for that T.V. classic:
Herman's Head
Aww yeah, that's some mellow shit.
We have gender-specific but culturally-obscured names.
The Cure
Prodigy
in between Randi Rhodes
with caffene
No sleep till' November.
Who's mellow? I'm just trying to get through without being tagged a terrorist. What fucked up times - isn't it something to think we'll someday look back and say....
What'll we say?
yes, kei & yuri, I know that, but DP might just see a bucha not Merkin-soundin' names and glaze over his eyes. I was going for the traditional cheeseburger-and-a-milkshake American handles here, where there couldn't possibly be an confusion as to gender on DP's part.
Actually, you know, you're making my point in a way, just by being who you are. Are you really two people? Or are you one person playing a character of two people? As to gender, you could any number or combinations of them. So could we all. But what does it say when someone assumes everyone on a forum is the same gender? I don't know, I just find it odd.
mena --
We'll say we survived.
I suppose you're right about that MoniCa, but I can't help but wish for something more......what, heroic, I guess. I mean I wish we few here on the blogs were not the only ones who get how awful things are, and that more were willing to step up and put their fucking comforts second to SOME principles.
In other words, I'm out of weed. Sorry Zuds.
Atrios, forget about alcohol, that's not going to help a summer throat infection. Way too hot already.
The best stuff for a summer throat infection or cold is the Chinese cure, Yin Qiao (sometimes spelled Chiao). It's a very safe herbal cold remedy, available in any Chinatown, and even bigger healthfood stores.
A couple of big doses of that, and you'll be singing by suppertime. Stay away from garlic, spicy food, alcohol, and coffee until you feel better.
If you can't get the Yin Qiao, strong peppermint iced tea with honey is your friend.
A whopping dose of wasabi has helped me with the sinus and throat problems I get from airplane travel.
Re: Laryngitis
Aren’t you staying in a hotel? Oh...you are sooo screwed! The hotel’s A/C system’s going to totally dehydrate you. Not to mention what the years of accumulated dander in that room is gonna do to your system.
Drink lots of water. Keep a bottle on the stand at night so you won’t just cough and fall back to sleep. Eat lots of fruit. Avoid diarrhetics like cola and coffee. And (Sorry) as nice as hot toddies are when home or when skiing, avoid alcohol.
Or, do the exact opposite, drink shit loads to kill the pain, have fun, and worry about getting better when you get home.
"In other words, I'm out of weed. Sorry Zuds.--mena"
Canada, sensing a possible heavy influx of potheads from Americcca, is planning on decriminalizing personal use as an incentive to immigration.
The Portugese on recommendation from the Dutch destigmatized marijuana use in public this year during the soccer final, reasoning that it was just possible that the plant might help drunks stay mellow.
As a member of the HOPS family should, eh? Some people take their hops one way, some take their hops where they come along. Here's hoping some's hopping along to you soon.
--
"Or, do the exact opposite, drink shit loads to kill the pain, have fun, and worry about getting better when you get home.--Anonymous"
The path to meningitis. A lot of that is going to show up here in the states from guys who have had their noggins toasted in Iraq, on too little water ration, and the Go-pills they order the troops to take.
Cool your head in the summer, "don't burn it down instead. Try learning, instead of burning, hear what I said." --Jimi Hendrix
--
DP is a self-centered sociopath...or at least the character he shares here is.
No empathy, very sick and sad, too far gone to even ask for the help he needs.
He's unable to imagine that other bloggers are people with feelings...he may have that problem in real life too...like our president...very sad.
He probably assumes that the other bloggers have similar characteristics to him. I've noted he thinks we're all male.
He responds to verbal abuse not warm fuzzies. Big closet case too.
Someone hurt DP bad.
Paul,
Americccca?
"A whopping dose of wasabi has helped me with the sinus and throat problems I get from airplane travel.
Shotglass ED"
Appropriate to cold winter flights. After vacationing in a balmy beach, atrios has contracted a hot inflamed throat. Eating fire is not so helpful. Cool off, eat watermelon, beat the heat, and the sore throat won't require the harshest antibiotics in modern experimental medicine.
The public arm of the KKK is the Concerned Citizens Council, wizarded by a guy named Haley Barbour.
The racists for whom Bushliar blew the blacks behind the buses in Atlanta this year on MLK Jr's bday. The people he put Pickering on the 2nd circuit bench for.
Gold card members?
Some pig named Jeb Bushliar, and his hottie girlfiend SexState what'shername.
http://tinyurl.com/6szm6
This is a new image, saw on Bartcop, similar to the one of Bushliar made out of coffins, but better. Not to miss.
Has a (doh!) typo on it which I hope they fix.
--
Got it. thanks. And yes, I'll be hooked up tomorrow. Hear that, Homeland security? Come and get me, motherfuckers. It's a party at mena's. MoniCa, thoughtful, insightful as you are, I just can't waste time on the morons. There's too many...
Yikes! A Fox wannabe for sure.
LJ, hate to burst your bubble, but the address DB gave you can't be real. It's right in the middle of the Mall.
I used to work for a super high-powered voice coach. I'll e-mail her as to Atrios's laryngitis.
Hi Atrios! Thanks for your question! To cure your throat, you should vote for our Dad! Our Dad is very resolute and no one can say that our Dad is unresolute! Once, when one of us was sick, our Dad resolutely went on his vacation and told us to clean our room! So you should vote for our Dad and he'll take away the internet thing and the free speech thing and you won't need your throat for anything anyway. So vote for our resolute Dad!
It's NW, not SW.
DCDenizen,
It's also the address of some fairly inexpensive apartments -- not exactly the sort of Georgetown or Watergate address you'd expect an independently wealthy guy to live in.
Sorry, Paul - I gotta stick with the wasabi...
I agree - napalming the sinuses like that can seem pretty drastic, but the results are immediate.
Jenna answering:
Thanks for you post Jenna and NonJenna. We both realize, as we’re sure both of you do, what serious a problem laryngitis is for the young people of America. Our Dad has always supported us when we had any inflammation of our larynges (or, alternatively, larynxes). Dad would always promise, if we felt the slightest tickle in our trachea, that he’d whip up Old Grandad’s secret receipt to make us feel better. And you know what? He always did. That’s the kind of Dad our Dad is. He always keeps his promises. Sometimes, when we were real sick, Dad would drink the WHOLE medicine for us! Just so we wouldn’t have to drink it. That’s how concerned he is about young people like us.
Barbara:
Of, course, now, we have no problem in drinking our Old Grandad’s.
Atrios,
It's those darn airplanes you were flying on while you were on vacation. I'm hardly ever sick either, but that re-circulated air is terrible!
Visualize lots of clear blue light all around and inside your throat chakra.
Hope you feel a whole lot better by Monday.
U.S. President George W.Bush is a big winner at World s Stupidity Awards
The Just For Laughs Comedy Festival
in Montreal awarded Bush the prize.
Atrios,
What you need to do is apply the two-hat method for curing nasty viruses. (physiological ones anyway)
1.)climb into bed,
2.)cover yourself well with blankets and quilts, leaving just one foot sticking out of the covers.
3.)put a hat on that foot.
4.)drink until you see TWO hats.
This method has completely cured every cold I remember having.
I am glad to see that my person, such as it may be, has dominated the "overnight" thread. You've all warmed my heart. And I know, I know: I'm the most important topic to discuss—despite it being two days out from the convention.
The pressing issues of how best to keep a tight lid on Boston cops over the next week (they want raises—how quaint), how to help Berger dodge responsibility for failing to take out UBL over the course of four (that's 4) years, and how to keep Nader from getting anywhere near the entrance doors to the Fleet Center appear to be too overwhelming for tonight's crowd. No, there is a clear preference in the air for rehashing the drubbing I apparently took last night. While I'm not sure what this would consist of, this birching I'm apparently smarting over, I trust you all believe it happened (believe me—I am confident beyond words that you can truly, honestly, achingly believe nearly anything set upon your plate (why did NORAD take so long to scramble the jets . . . hmm)—of this, I have no doubt.
Now. What does this thread say about Atrios—and his band of dedicated, obedient followers?
I'll take a stab at it, thanks.
First, you fancy yourselves independent minded, but can groove to the mob mentality with the best of the black-helicopter crowd, as long as your target of hatred is a politically correct one. In my case, someone who doesn't jump on command with each wave of a Democrat's (any Democrat'll do, in a pinch, at this point, as long as they're against Bush, and against the war) hand.
The yobby screeching tonight—that warm desire to be inside the womb of the mob—is a little sickening, I have to admit. But only because the ardent participants moving in perfect synchronicity like docile sheep fancy themselves tolerant, well-adjusted, and moderate.
In the end, however, the 100 and some odd messages that constitute this victory lap of my supposed demise is deeply encouraging for those of us who believe in using our own minds to form opinions. Because the impulse to turn inward is the turn toward political death.
Atrios has become nothing so much as an echo chamber for apologists of dictators and terrorists—with no dissent visible on the horizon.
When intelligent people finally take leave of this self-flagellating, insipid, and insular Left, a world where Milosevic and Saddam would keep their freedom, and no dictator need worry about their safety, they can look back in their rearview mirrors to see an image of burned ideals, smoldering as it quickly recedes into the distance.
At the very—if you don't run towards freedom—think for yourselves.
(After this sorry, vapid thread tonight, I'm almost begging you . . . )
As usual, I'm coming quite late to the scene. Just wanted to add some geographically-specific advice for the laryngally challenged.
From having grown up in the Delaware Valley (which includes Philly and South Jersey for those who don't know the region), I know full well that more people than not suffer from allergies. I first realized what they were when, for the third summer in a row, I had what seemed to be a nasty cold that mutated into laryngitis, followed by bronchitis.
It had all started with sinusitis as a result of allergic inflammation of the mucus membranes. The Delaware Valley is such a prone region because of the combination of humidity, massive pollen, mold, and pollution.
The long-term cure for me was shots, and my allergist was not only good at what he did, he was an activist who went publicly on the rampage, particularly targeting Exxon for what was being spewed into the air. So much so he started receiving threatening phone calls suggesting he shut up already.
Of course, the long-term cure doesn't help in the short term agony. If you suspect that your upper respiratory problems (including laryngitis) could be part of an allergic chain reaction, in addition to home remedies suggested here, some Benadryl will most likely help (I get the cheaper generic version, diphenhydramine HCL). In fact, it can help you "self-diagnose." If Benadryl helps, it's allergy. OTOH, if you've gone into severe sinusitis, the Benadryl may very well not be enough, and for me, when I reach this stage I have to go for antibiotics or I'm knocked out with bronchitis for at least two weeks. (Lucky for me, I know which antibiotic, an older one, and - knock wood - it always works.) If there is an allergy problem, I find that leaving out the antihistamines means I won't get better any time soon. OTC decongestants also work as a good adjunct temporarily, so that the sinuses don't stay plugged and functioning like a nasty petri dish.
Just got in...burning the midnite oil as it were...man you guys left this place a mess...hehe
musta been a party!
oh and Paul as for the 900+coffins from the bartcop site.
I hold the dems just as guilty...
when you have nothing at stake you have nothing to lose ;-(
off to watch movies on my eyelids before I pass out.
If only big Bill were in charge,
We'd really be living large.
This clown we've got now
Is a fucking bowwow.
He rates a dishonorable discharge.
See, and I read all the way through this thread convinced that I'd finally outed my spouse as Atrios--but no, he's plain old Thersites, and snoring away cheerfully.
In other news, I came across his band the other day called Yellowcake, and their album Since You Ruined the Earth looks to have some pretty cool tunes on it. Any Chicago-area folks know anything about them?
Motorhead/Scissorfight would be the best club show ever. It must happen.
world where Milosevic and Saddam would keep their freedom, and no dictator need worry about their safety
Hi, David Patterson! Thanks for your post! If you were old enough to vote and if you could climb out of your mom's basement, you should vote for our Dad! Our very resolute Dad is working on becoming a dictator like, um, those two guys you mentioned!
And, our Dad always came to our soccer games, which, since you never leave your mom's basement, like you totally probably don't get, but it's a game. So David Patterson, if you ever lose enough weight to leave your mom's basement at 1412 15th Street, you should vote for our Dad!
So David Patterson, if you ever lose enough weight to leave your mom's basement at 1412 15th Street, you should vote for our Dad!
Jenna and NotJenna
You just know he's a big fat ass who hasn't seen his own dick in years. Has to feel around under a big hairy roll for it to piss.
Atrios is Sore Throat.
wow atrios i hope your laryngitis clears up so you can post on your blog..
Took a walk around the Fleet Center yesterday afternoon. A large temporary building has been put up to accommodate the world press. Temporary fences everywhere. I visted the "free speech" zone, which looks like an area set aside for a cattle roundup. It's all enclosed even at the top, with wire mesh-type netting. (I like to refer to it as the "free peach zone." Someone should stand outside the area and offer passers-by free peaches.)
The restaurants in the North End were surprisingly empty last night. I've seen people two and three deep on the coldest nights in February, last night at one of my favorite restaurant/bars (Bricco's on Hanover St.) there were plenty of spaces available.
Methinks lots of the locals have left town and are on the Cape or in NH and ME.
Take care Atrios, hope you feel better.
Jesus Christ Almighty that David Patterson is boring!
One word: Demerol. It might not help your throat, but you will feel so much better.
James Patterson sucks, but
Richard North Patterson is a pretty good middle brow political thriller writer.
Atrios will probably need to be talking a lot this upcoming week so he's concerned about it. Really, my best advice is plenty of homemade chicken soup with lots of celery and garlic (it's not only for a cold) which might not be such a good thing if you're talking a lot.
Just why should we curb our "hate"?
I think it's an admirable trait.
They stuck it to Gore,
Now they want to ignore
The crimes of the apelike primate.
Doesn't anyone else have little kids who wake them up on Saturday morning and they're too tired to do anything else but drink a gallon of coffee and read the overnight comments at Eschaton? Or is that just me? I used to pride myself at how average I was.
Has anyone ever noticed that none of the trolls ever show up at the same time? I wonder what's up with that?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Not sure why I'm focused on front page pictures this weekend, but that picture of JK on the front page of this morning's NYT is really very attractive. The best I've seen since the pitching-baseballs-in-front-of-the-sunset picture.
w00+, couldn't you do it up with some boobies for us? Please?
Laryngitis, eh? Ha! Now we have a perfect way to figure out who Atrios is: he'll be the only person not screaming at the convention...
*eyes right sidebar* MSNBC advertising here? ... weird.
But then, Atrios probably has more readers than they have viewers.
But then, probably so does the Maricopa Monitor or the Clarksburg Exponent Telegram.
Why are the wrong people silenced?
Too bad all of NothingButCrap news
hasn't lost their voice
They keep running the AnniePanic story despite the fact that her lies have been completely debunked.
The want to race bait and fear monger because it is the only thing that appears to be keeping Bush up at all.
Too bad all of NothingButCrap news
hasn't lost their voice
Navy Seals Rock!
Re-circulated air in airplanes kicks in almost always two to three days after return, I've found. The frailer you were getting on the plane, the faster of course, but if you take enough planes with a sufficiently short period of time Im convinced that the system overload to even the strongest bodies is enough to create every form of respiratory symptom there is.
Since I havent read each and every note here, Im sure Im repeating - but do go soak your head - or at least steam it up good. If Mrs. Atrios has (and will let you use) one of those skin steaming facial mask thingies, they're terrific for direct action. Otherwise, go for the steaming pan of water/towel method, or even the vaporiser. Then saline spray.
Molly Ivins and Jim Hightower in today's paper! EXCELLENT!
And, since I AM a doctor, of sorts, you can betcha my cure will work for you.
If it doesn't, take two books and call me in the morning.
Atrios can speak very well. I used to stutter badly when I was a kid but grew out of it or maybe really forced myself to speak without stammering (this was before speech instructors) but that fear remains especially when I get really worked up by what they're saying and I'm hearing and then I'm calling into a wing nut radio show with millions listening but you can still tell I used to stammer when I hang on a word in the middle of a sentence and be too focused on one thought and unable for others just trying to express my thought. Last night, I called into one wing nut radio program (the Dick Maresinko show) after he and other callers had been calling the Democratic Party the "Democrat" Party. Wow, I was upset and started feeling like I was going to freeze up like always when I'm worked up but didn't like always although there was the hanging on words in mid-sentence. But I got out that a noun doesn't modify a noun and how stupid they sounded for saying that.
Good for you, Incognito!
They're just trying to be even more insulting by not even using the correct name. I've always thought we ought to return the favor and call it the "Republic Party" -- although around here I just say "Thugs."
When you used to stutter, you can't think on your feet with quick easy answers. You have to think long and hard about what been said. My dad used to tell me that, "Many men talk and talk and talk but don't say anything." Or he would say, "Many men only talk, just to hear their nuts rattle" to help me with it.
Forgot to ask, did they hang up on you?
By the way, I've never stuttered in my life, and yet whenever I call in to a program, my heart beats very fast, and I get too self-conscious. So cheers to you for your bravery!
WaPo prints, but buries on the bottom of page 10, the story about Shelby:
The Justice Department has referred to the Senate ethics committee an investigation into whether Sen. Richard C. Shelby (R-Ala.) or his staff leaked classified information, indicating that criminal charges are highly unlikely, a federal law enforcement official said yesterday.
The referral Thursday means that it is up to the ethics panel to decide if any action is warranted against Shelby. ...
The investigation concerned the 2002 disclosure to news reporters of two messages intercepted by the National Security Agency a day before the Sept. 11 attacks. Those messages contained the words "the match begins tomorrow" and "tomorrow is zero hour" but they were not translated from Arabic until Sept. 12.
...
It is a felony to intentionally leak classified information, but leak investigations rarely produce criminal charges because there are few witnesses and little or no paper trail to follow. Prosecutors also must prove that the person leaked the information with full knowledge it was a government secret.
The specificity of the wording in the 2002 leaks was particularly troubling to intelligence officials because it could tip off terrorists that a particular channel they were using had been compromised and thus dry up a valuable source of information by prompting them to use alternative means of communication.
I trust the toddy worked its magic.
Right?
Atrios, horseradish will temporarily get rid of most laryngitis. But if it's bad the only thing is to wait it out. A singing teacher used to give this advice.
Forgot to ask, did they hang up on you?
By the way, I've never stuttered in my life, and yet whenever I call in to a program, my heart beats very fast, and I get too self-conscious. So cheers to you for your bravery!
Kate
Yeah, everybody feels that but then things are always so complicated and different from what a straight woman or another majority group has experienced and a gay guy which many can't appreciate. When I call in, many times, it's because they're trashing gays. When I defend being gay as a gay guy, it's always sorta expected that I have to represent the entire diverse gay community (which I can't) and here I might be stuttering to millions of wing nut listeners who revel at laughing at others especially gays and I'm really nervous about that. I still, after all these years of calling in, haven't gotten over the fear of stuttering and never will. I went through the 'children are cruel' elementary and junior high public school system, after all. I always feel I'm about to stammer stuck in mid-sentence.
But I'm not "brave" just hard-headed. And no, he didn't hang up on me he said "I had the floor." I hung up on him after speaking my piece and calling him and all his listeners "incredibly stupid and so stupid they made my eyes water."
And they are after listening to them for a couple of hours.
Re: "David jejune Patterson"
"Yobby screeching" indeed.
I never thought I'd be mentioning this on a thread here but for people with sinus problems and head/bronchial congestion when a big dose of wasabi isn't convenient:
Try Mucinex or some type of guaifenesin . It's sold OTC now and it's saved me from using antibiotics more than once.
And Atrios, whatever you do, I hope it helps!
but but but your typing is ok. right?
I just finished reading the comments on this thread - it took me quite sometime. I notice that David Patterson's name came up often. He is probably preening in his mirror...what a stud am I.... Then he came on and made his normal contribution. I didn't see him pushing for killing all the Islamists this time.... Hmmmm.. I wonder if he forgot?
Why, also, does DP think we we don't think independently. If he read anything worthy, he would see that it is the Repubs that insist their candidate is worthy for another 4 years (even though he has been shown a liar).Anyway, as MoniCA pointed out, there are a lot of women that post here. I am a woman even though on one website I was accused of being a man? Funny stuff.... I guess people like to push buttons.
Atrios - I hope you are feeling better. There sure are some good suggestions from your commenters.
Read about a great pick-up opportunity for the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party.
In the race to succeed Dick Gephardt in Missouri's third congresional district, Jeff Smith is about to pull of a huge upset.
http://www.ourcongress.org/story...7/22/182726/
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MSNBC ADVERTISING ON ATRIOS???!!!!!
arrrrgh! I HAVE seen it ALL!
please make it go away.
Tony B.
I haven't spoken since 1937, and my throat feels great.
MSNBC ADVERTISING ON ATRIOS???!!!!!
Well, at least they're aware of this place (even though Tweety allegedly only recently discovered blogs). Nobody here is going to change his/her mind about MSGOP's coverage (and, to be fair, at LEAST they give us the small comfort of Keith Olbermann). I don't have a problem with Atrios making some extra scratch at the network's expense. ..It IS an odd choice for the network, though; if they're at all familiar w/Eschaton they KNOW the kind of knocks Tweety, Scaryborough, et al. take here, while words of praise are primarily reserved for Olbermann.
I am glad to see that my person, such as it may be, has dominated the "overnight" thread. You've all warmed my heart. And I know, I know: I'm the most important topic to discuss—despite it being two days out from the convention.
David Patterson
DP can't help but think all posters are male and also can't help but think all posts are about him. I'd say Atrios's laryngitis won that distinction hands down.
Don't miss the link here:
Yikes! A Fox wannabe for sure.
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 07.25.04 - 5:35 am | #
And with this post, he's still a distant second.
But only because the ardent participants moving in perfect synchronicity like docile sheep fancy themselves tolerant, well-adjusted, and moderate.
Now THAT is a good DP parody.
Comedy gold, I'm telling you.
Get well Soon Atrios,
The public domain needs you out there getting people invovled.
Atrios--
Go find a doctor! Call one of the legit theatres in Boston..they are sure to have the name of a throat doc who is accustomed to handling similar emergencies for actors. And there are probably matinees today so you could reach someone even on a Sunday.
Good luck.
Hamletta:
Part of 15th NW is near the Washington Monument. But 1427 it's still several blocks from it. This map shows a star of where his address is, and where the mall is:
Map
We also looked up the address on Terraserver. This looks like it could be a condo/townhouse to me:
DP's Cave
What do you think? Does that look the Capitol Mall to you?
Didn't think so.
How profound is your laryngitis?
I worked for many years on a bacterium called Moraxella catarrhalis. A few years ago a spate of laryngitis cases swept across Rochester, NY where I worked. If the case was severe, I was able to culture this bacterium. Then all cases of laryngitis abruptly disapearred. So, if your case is profound, i.e., almost not able to talk, go to a physician and have him swab your throat then ask for some antibiotic. M. catarrhalis can be treated quite effectively.
This was first published by a fellow in Belgium. (Forgot his name.) I wanted to publish a confirmation of his finding but got too busy and never got around to it.
John McMichael
Fel. Am. Acad. Microbiol.
How profound is your laryngitis?
I worked for many years on a bacterium called Moraxella catarrhalis. A few years ago a spate of laryngitis cases swept across Rochester, NY where I worked. If the case was severe, I was able to culture this bacterium. Then all cases of laryngitis abruptly disapearred. So, if your case is profound, i.e., almost not able to talk, go to a physician and have him swab your throat then ask for some antibiotic. M. catarrhalis can be treated quite effectively.
This was first published by a fellow in Belgium. (Forgot his name.) I wanted to publish a confirmation of his finding but got too busy and never got around to it.
John McMichael
Fel. Am. Acad. Microbiol.
I have laryngitis, too!
No more frenching on the blogs, please.
perfect synchronicity like docile sheep
Yes. Sheep move in "synchronicity." While thinking themselves moderate.
That's our DP.
Go look up "synchronicity" in the dictionary, will you? You might be surprised to learn what it means.
And lest we forget:
But only because the ardent participants moving in perfect synchronicity like docile sheep fancy themselves tolerant, well-adjusted, and moderate.
Ardent participants are docile sheep moving in synchonicity. Or, if you will, the serendipitous synchronicity of ardent docility.
You really can't make writing this bad up. You've got to get it straight from the horse's...uh...
ASS!
"Sorry, Paul - I gotta stick with the wasabi...
I agree - napalming the sinuses like that can seem pretty drastic, but the results are immediate.--Shotglass ED"
Which will cause hemorrhage in quite a few people.
These 'cures' are commonplace; equivalent to beating your dog with a hair brush until he stops barking.
Fight fire with cooling; fight cold with fire. It's a simple concept.
Laryngitis? That brings me back ...
Atrios - you have had some OC connection, right? Remember Harriet "Sorry I cannot respond to your question because I have laryngitis" Wieder?
Crap. Blog spam.
Cialis is a poker game? Who knew. Can girls play?
Atrios, haven't you heard the rule about getting sick? The less frequently that you are ill the greater the probability that it will happen when you least need it too.
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