I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
First!
Have a great time Atrios! We'll look forward to your posts.
I had a similar experience. I was sitting in a, lets call it a bunker, when I saw on TV that the world trade center had been hit by a plane. I thought to myself "I was writing about that a few years back."
Very mind blowing.
Just wait until you're famous.
Safe travel.
I'm watching a MSNBC report about bloggers as I read this. Wow! 
sixth!
Meta-blogging!
Whoa - now that's a self-referential universe.....
hmmm.. CNN reporting about bloggers....
It kinda reminds me of the golf tournament I'm watching on TV now and listening to old retired guys comment on the new gen of talent.
Maybe it's time to take up golfing, Wolf, Judy and crew.
D'oh!
Kinda like you're in Spike Jonze's "Being Atrios"?
that's funny, I was reading a book about a goat when a goat ate the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.
No, wait - that was Osama Bin somebody-or-other. Sorry I goofed - I got him confused with the goat because the goat story was so damn fascinating. Why, I couldn't tear myself away from it, even though our nation was under attack!!!
I
There was a piece in today's Atlanta Urinal-Constipation about politcal bloggers. Mentioned Wonkette, Kos and Sullivan, among some others I didn't recognize. I read through about half of it. It was typical AJC unreadable tripe, and I got the strong impression some editor got a tip that blogs were "hot" and assigned the story to a first-year student who didn't have a clue about the whole shebang.
As for Obama's qualities as a true represenatives of black people all over the country, well...hell, I don't know. When was the last time anyone went to the U.S. Congress who wasn't richer than God? Hell, when was the last time a sure-nuff blue-collar white guy held a seat? Money makes the monkey dance, dear hearts.
How about "through the looking glass"?
Shit, wrong thread. Sorry. Please don't drag that argument in here on my account.
See if you can get some other blogger to wear the turtleneck -- just to throw the hounds off your trail.
I think the *argument* is over. The one who started it has disappeared. Surprise. Surprise.
Have fun, Atrios. You are our eyes and ears (the voice is in doubt).
Whoa. Atrios, you just blew my mind. And, Melanie's post at 5:29pm blew my mind even harder.
hey atrios, how are you going to hold onto your anonymity or are you flinging it to the wind. im concerned for uh, a friend
When you see the TV report on blogging while you are blogging, and the report is live with video of you blogging in the airport while watching yourself blogging.....
The fun-house mirror trick. How far does the reflection go?
Atrios blogging while looking at CNN lying and distorting about blogging = a rat looking up at a dinosaur while the dinosaur makes mocking "mammal squeaks" and jokes about incautious foot placement. Or, laugh now scaly boy.
Atrios, the TV "news" people are ALWAYS doing reports about the TV news business. You know, how they're covering what they've chosen to cover. The latest gossip being reported by the media. This last one gives them permission to report it once as gossip and forever more to treat it as hard fact. They're thier favorite subject. Likewise the print journalists about their medium.
While this is a cautionary tale about the dangers of egocentrism, you're far from being in danger. Just now.
Didn't you hear? Bloggers are pseudo journalists!
Don't you just love desperate reaches on the part of scumbags who are gasping for air from under the heap of crap they've built for themselves?
MYOB'
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Journalists are pseudo journalists.
hey atrios, how are you going to hold onto your anonymity or are you flinging it to the wind.
Good question.
Definitely stay the fuck away from Bob Novak, is all I'm saying.
Bloggers are a very mixed bunch, to be honest, so if you want to dig up dirt on bloggers you always can. But blogs are playing a role the official journalists have reneged, and that's what's so important.
For Lime Rickey:
There was an old man from Timbuktu
Whose limericks stopped at line two.
--unknown (by me)
Kick Judith Miller in the teeth.
(Note: I am just kidding. I do not advocate violent attacks upon journalists by bloggers.)
Kick Judith Miller in the teeth.
(Note: I am just kidding. I do not advocate violent attacks upon journalists by bloggers.)
Jefe
Laughing in her face is permitted, though.
Judith Miller at The Times, Steno Sue at The Post..... And they've still got the nerve to bad mouth the bloggers.
throw up on ceci connally. just kidding.
Now if while you are watching CNN report on bloggers while you are blogging in the airport and of a sudden the camera zooms in on an anonymous blogger watching CNN while blogging in the airport, then you'll know it's hit the post-modern zenith. Or something.
--Stu
Matthews exposed himself as the biggest Republican toady on the plantet.
His attempt to change the dialogue and ask one of those are you still beating your wife questions about the parties support of the war. Mauliffe did pretty well but they better get other people prepared if they are going on the air with him
He fat,lying ignorant pig and should not be alllowed on the air.
A lot of his body should be caught permanently in a wringer.
Can you line up an interview the Al-Jaz director? Ask whether they expected to be providing more live coverage of the DNC than any of the American networks?
if you want to dig up dirt on bloggers you always can
I have no dirt! If you don't believe me, you can follow me around.
, I was intending to watch that report but missed out on it... good?
meta-OT:
Did anyone else catch Ron Reagan on MSNBC just now? He cranked out a serious speedball of snark. Hilarious.
He was reporting on the "protest area", or as he referred to it, the "freedom cage". For some reason, it is pretty much empty. Ha! I look forward to more from Mr. Reagan.
ON The Clock,
I'm not sure what to make of this, but the sign for Al Jazeera on the "sky box" that they are using as a studio was taken down earlier. I think I saw it on CNN this morning.
Be careful, Atrios, et al. Don't start taking yourself too seriously. . .
Just keep hammering the MW's on all their crap. Make THAT the story, not you.
Dokuritsu,
Maybe he can sorta do both, link Hunter Thompson in "The Kentucky Derby Is Decadent & Depraved". Gonzo blogging! Okay, show of hands...who wants to see Atrios full two dozen herbs & spices and loose at the convention? Better than that, who wants to see me doing that and will pay for it?
bruce wayne
Atrios could do some retro schtick.
The Unknown Blogger with paper bag
on head.
And unlike the NeoCon Bloggers, he will remember to cut out eye holes.
"Didn't you hear? Bloggers are pseudo journalists!"
And Tom Paine was a psuedo pamphleteer.
Obviously the news media has been awol on first amendment zones up until now. Hopefully we can shame them into a story about first amendment zones and their genesis as a political tool dreamed up by Karl Rove.
I have no dirt! If you don't believe me, you can follow me around.
Famous last words of Gary Hart, me thinks. What was the name of that boat?
Mickey Kaus is on now. Oy.
Backslider's point - - - well taken.
And, admittedly, I wouldn't mind seeing that.
But . . . eyes on the prize. For example: today's Sunday paper headlines, all over, were that AP crap about BUSH IN EV LEAD! Electoral-vote.com was, apparently, not consulted on that. Also, that AP's own "analysis" showed *neither* candidate even close to 270. But from the MW headlines, one would think Bush had the momentum and everything all but wrapped up. InFURIATINGLY, MWish. Some blogger, that the MWs are watching (reading this, Atrios?) ought to out that crap and do a nice solid rant on it.
For all his smarts. Josh Mitchell seems to have OCD over exploring the minutia of whether or not Wilson's wife recommended him for his Niger trip (Earth to Josh: That's a GOP red herring, and your obsessing on it!). Bob Somerby's doing the same. God! Heaven forbid the independent and/or progressive bloggers HAMMER the MWs (right NOW, while they, the bloggers, have center stage) for their, the MWs, shilling for Bush & Co.
Great question. How is it possible that Atrios' true name won't be known by the end of this week? I can't wait to learn who he is.
I am going to watch every second of this thing that I can take. I wanna see the Gorebot lose his shit and call Bush Hitler!
Is it already the 1992 GOP Convention again?
Tee hee.
I wonder what the GOP will do about the free speech cage/zone come August what with all the bad press it's getting (finally!). How typical of the SCLM to fall all over themselves to cover something only if it starts to infringe on the rights of Repugs to run roughshod all over the rest of us with their obnoxiousness.
I will take the bait and accuse Toby as a wannabe-Goebbels...
I wanna see the Gorebot lose his shit and call Bush Hitler! Is it already the 1992 GOP Convention again?
I must have missed it in 1992 when GHWB called Clinton Hitler.
Quintessential Extremist Bush:
"The Bush administration has been going to court to block lawsuits by consumers who say they have been injured by prescription drugs and medical devices."
How convenient for the pharmaceutical and medical device corporations.
http://tinyurl.com/45pth
Bush/Cheny 2004: Corporations First!
Right now on NBC news Brian Williams is pretty much bragging on how NBC, and the other networks, will broadcast very little of the substance of the Convention but that for people who want to see "the occassional funny hat," that'll be all over the media this week.
Wonderful, the fate of our Nation and the World at stake, and Brian Williams and NBC are chortling over their own funny hat coverage.
Madness. Madness.
Bush/Cheney 04 : Don't change horsemen mid-apocalypse !
The boat was aptly named, "Monkey Business".
Chris/tx -- the boat was the "Monkey Business," har-har-har.
"Monkey Business".
Too funny. I remember the picture with the girl in his lap, and the boat's name in the background. Kinda hard to lie your way out of that one, a picture is worth...
First - if you see a camera coming toward you, run away! Run away!
Second, make sure you've got good throat lozenges and drink lots and lots of water. Make sure the a/c is moderate - as an easterner you're probably not used to a/c anyway and it'll only make your throat worse.
Third, crash all the parties there are. We're waiting to hear what you're eating, 'cause that's the only part that matters. Give details.
Contemplate how strange this is. Remember that technology doesn't move nearly as fast, nor as predictibly as was imagined. You're the current bleeding edge in the online show, and all of us who merely Listserved, salute you.
No sleeping. Many lozenges. Don't talk. Type.
Monica, you are a silly person if you think negative coverage of the Republican Party is some rare or novel thing. A very silly person.
Famous last words of Gary Hart, me thinks.
Bingo!
And if I get caught with Donna Rice on my lap in my boat (not the Monkey Biz, but the Tontine), my wife will kill me. Ah well, I'll die famous and happy...
There's something a bit weird about sitting here at the airport blogging while watching a CNN report about bloggers on the news monitor.
There's no way I would be riding in a plane. Fuck that shit. I just don't understand how people think it's no big deal. Your life's on a razor's edge the entire time from a terrifying and horrible death and it's no big deal?
Monica, you are a silly person if you think negative coverage of the Republican Party is some rare or novel thing. A very silly person.
Where the fuck have you been since 9/11/2001?
Monica, you are a silly person if you think negative coverage of the Republican Party is some rare or novel thing. A very silly person.
Toby Petzold
Yeah, well it's true that Republicans suck. No way of getting around it.
If a blogger gets sucked into the media vortex, and is then shit out the other end, what do they morph into?
For intance, we have seen Judy Woodruff, who was a respected journalist while on PBS, get sucked into the CNN vortex and then emerge as a Rethuglican talkingpoint-repeating whore. Likewise, David Brooks, who at least had a reputation for moderation, turned into just another Rethuglican, "party before country, baby", partisan hack when he got sucked into Safire's orbit at the NYT.
Careful boys and girls. Tether yourselves. Don't get sucked in.
Best of Luck.
MC
ot but donna rice hughes has taken to writing books for christian teenagers. moving on i guess. of course, maybe the press would have covered for Hart if he had been a repub, or at least wouldnt have worked much at investigating.
david brooks was a partisan part time hack before he got the nyt gig
There's no way I would be riding in a plane. Fuck that shit. I just don't understand how people think it's no big deal. Your life's on a razor's edge the entire time from a terrifying and horrible death and it's no big deal.
Shit, now you tell me. I'd better talk to my company prez and see if I can ride trains to our global teaching locations...
What MC said.
"Monica, you are a silly person if you think negative coverage of the Republican Party is some rare or novel thing. A very silly person."
Toby Petzold
You must live in a very exciting delusion, Toby, being persecuted by the media as you are.
damn, I thought blogging was some kind of european dance.
european thru Appalachia.
(it's 4:20 out here on the west coast)
Ummmm, why isn't Eschaton/Atrios listed here? (check my homepage link)
Ummmm, why isn't Eschaton/Atrios listed here? (check my homepage link)
He has laryngitis?
Ummmm, why isn't Eschaton/Atrios listed here? (check my homepage link)
He wants to remain anonymous?
Ummmm, why isn't Eschaton/Atrios listed here?
Maybe they have to plug their postings into some DNC machine....just a guess.
Bush/Cheney 04 : Don't change horsemen mid-apocalypse !
wilson
I like:
CHENEY Bush in O4
They couldn't arrest you for that, could they?
There's no way I would be riding in a plane. Fuck that shit. I just don't understand how people think it's no big deal. Your life's on a razor's edge the entire time from a terrifying and horrible death and it's no big deal?
Incognito | Email | Homepage | 07.25.04 - 7:17 pm | #
Funny you should mention this.I am going on vaction next weekend,and I'll be flying for the first time in 24 years.I have very strong reservatioins about this,yet I have almost no choice in flying.To drive where we want to go (Vermont)would require about 35 - 40 hours of driving.I fear airport security more than flying and / or terra/crashes.
Whats a smalfish to do?
Now watch this drive.
OT - I'm watching Tweety interview Teresa Heinz Kerry. He's spewing his usual inanities, i.e., "Do people want to have a beer with John Kerry?" THK is smacking him around like the little bitch that he is, but being damned charming the whole time, and smiling to boot.
I love this woman.
Toby: "Tee hee"
Guess we can narrow in on the real Toby. Tee hee is pure 'twink' in the gay world. Or maybe he's neo-twink. Or possibly neo-twink-fascist.
Whats a smalfish to do?
Valium. Valium before you go through security, and valium and a bloody mary in the bar before you take off.
Well that's what I do anyway.
To drive where we want to go (Vermont)would require about 35 - 40 hours of driving.
If you lived here, you'd be there by now. Er something.
Where in VT are you headed? You picked a good time to visit: we're having nice weather.
I'm watching Tweety interview Teresa Heinz Kerry. He's spewing his usual inanities, i.e., "Do people want to have a beer with John Kerry?" THK is smacking him around like the little bitch that he is, but being damned charming the whole time, and smiling to boot.
So, I'm getting ready for the Tweety interview with Laura.
I never cease to be amazed that there are people who (a) still think that typing "first!" is funny/cool and (b) manage to consistently be the first poster in any given thread.
Where in VT are you headed? You picked a good time to visit: we're having nice weather.
We have been watching the weather and realise how lucky we are to go there now.Here in Texas its so hot I melt when I go outside.
We are going to a town called Springfield.A family reunion of sorts.Family comming from all over the country for a week.
smalfish - ah, Springfield. A good friend of mine grew up there, and it's sorta on the way to Brattleboro, where my wife went to grad school a few years back (Marlboro ISM program).
Even though we've visited probably half of Vermont's towns, we just started doing the "251 Club" tour of the state and have been documenting it on a travelblog. We're really interested in exploring the southern part of the state, since we see the north all the time.
Enjoy your visit!
Utterly OT, but Blogosphere Alert!!!
Help Tom Tomorrow:
One other glitch, with a new digital camera (old one went on the fritz a couple of days ago): anyone know why a Nikon Coolpix 3200 would have a constant battery drain, even while turned completely off? This is the camera with which I hope to record the convention, so this could be a problem. (Is it possible that an SD card which is not on Nikon's approved list could somehow be the culprit?) Input welcome from those of you who are wise in these matters: tomtomorrow(atsymbol)ix(dot)netcom(dot)com.
C'mon, pitch in - he may be able to get a picture of Mr. Smith!
So, I'm getting ready for the Tweety interview with Laura.
"Next on Hardball, Tweety interviews First Lady Sid Barrett - I mean Laura Bush...."
You will be very lonely if you visit Toby's place (Neognosticos), since most of the threads have 'comments'= 0.
Probably Toby visits to troll here because he needs occasional interaction with rational people and can't find it on the freeper sites.
Can't we contribute to get Toby his blow-up sex figure to keep him company?
Kerry didn't throw a strike in Boston.
NTodd
My brother and sister went to Austine School for the Deaf in Brattleboro many years ago.I am making a trek back to my childhood.I grew up in a town in NH named Walpole.We are planning on returning for a bit of nostalgia.
Kerry didn't throw a strike in Boston.
Damn flip-flopper, told us he was going to throw a strike, and then throws a ball.
Folks, it's time to get serious about Democratic politics. It's time for this blog and its commenters to put on the best face. Please, please, stop posting unabridged rock n' roll lyrics!
Ok. Are unabridged R & B lyrics still good?
smalfish
You and Mrs. smallfish just need to get to the airport plenty early. Take a book(s) and use the time to get caught up. I may be crazy, but I like to get there 2-3 hours before flight and usually get about 1 - 1 1/2 hours of reading and no panic. Place a very visible form of ID in all bagage with your cell phone number just in case.
Folks, it's time to get serious about Democratic politics. It's time for this blog and its commenters to put on the best face. Please, please, stop posting unabridged rock n' roll lyrics!
Yeah, you posted this once before, when it was slightly relevant.
The trolls, such as they are with little truth, are out in force.
God, they're stupid.
They're repubs!
Funny you should mention this.I am going on vaction next weekend,and I'll be flying for the first time in 24 years.I have very strong reservatioins about this,yet I have almost no choice in flying.To drive where we want to go (Vermont)would require about 35 - 40 hours of driving.I fear airport security more than flying and / or terra/crashes.
When jets crash, rarely is anything left of you larger than the size of a kneecap. I had to fly a lot on commercial airlines in the military and they would let a couple of my buddies and me in the cockpit and I can tell you, they're all drunk thinking it's funny and then they pass out asleep. And the airline stewardesses, all walking around looking wicked-old with hairspray wig-hair, know it too. Nah, that's not how I'm going out.
NTodd and smalfish - Ahhh Vermont...Nice state...Almost no Walmarts and McDonalds...A beautiful, rural, commercially untrashed state where highway billboards are prohibited to cut down on visual pollution...Smalfish, enjoy your stay...
Being called a very silly person by Toby P is like having Hunter Thompson tell you to cut down on the substance abuse.
Can't we contribute to get Toby his blow-up sex figure to keep him company?
Do you know how much RealDolls cost?! Like 6 large. Not that I know.
We are planning on returning for a bit of nostalgia.
Enjoy the trip down amnesia lane. Nice part of the country.
Ahhh Vermont...Nice state...Almost no Walmarts and McDonalds...
Indeed, although the town where my parents live has a WalMart (traffic's a disaster), and I think we're getting a third store at some point. Ugh. But at least Montpelier (where we saw F911, BTW) is the only state capital that still has no McDonald's.
There's something a bit weird about sitting here at the airport blogging while watching a CNN report about bloggers on the news monitor.
Sorta like what you get when you hold your webcam up to the monitor?
I am going to fake laryngitis the whole week then everyone will think I am Atrios even though I keep denying it.
pomo?
A friend of mine in grad school liked to call himself a pomosexual
even after I pointed out that implies he might like to have sex with absolutely anything, including thoughts and abstract concepts, younger or older versions of himself, and might also involved roleplaying with a partner where the roles seem to be unrelated to each other.
Kick Judith Miller in the teeth.
(Note: I am just kidding. I do not advocate violent attacks upon journalists by bloggers.)
Jefe
Its OK ... Miller isn't a journalist ... but I'm never happy advocating violence against women. ... violence against guys is cool with me, so if you see Ann Coulter, go for the adam's apple.
... chop it like Gary Sinese did in Ransom.
I'm guessing pomo is post-modern ... but I only have a vague Simpson's reference to base that on ...
Being called a very silly person by Toby P is like having Hunter Thompson tell you to cut down on the substance abuse.
Thersites --
pomo is to postmodernism as pogo is to???
post gonzo...
That's a label I would wear with pride.
There's no way I would be riding in a plane. Fuck that shit. I just don't understand how people think it's no big deal. Your life's on a razor's edge the entire time from a terrifying and horrible death and it's no big deal?
Incognito | Email
I have to go with smalfish on this one Incognito. I haven't been on a plane since before 9/11 and have no plans to do so in the foreseeable future. But it's not because of the danger you're pointing out, which is real and scary. It's because I'll just be damned if I will let them poke and control me. I hated being treated like a sardine in airports before 9/11, and now I avoid them. period. That won't work forever but it works for now. Incognito is also right about the drunken pilots - I used to know one well and he told me the same thing. Buckle Up!
I hate flying. Hate it. A very instinctual part of my brain just does not think that going up in the air -- in a metal can -- is a good thing to do. I can't talk myself out of that notion, and really I don't try. I did find though, that if I was sedated enough I didn't mind as much, hence the bloody marys...
"There's no way I would be riding in a plane. Fuck that shit. I just don't understand how people think it's no big deal. Your life's on a razor's edge the entire time from a terrifying and horrible death and it's no big deal?"
If you see a group of Arabs on your plane, PANIC! Especially if they are speaking Arabic!
If they start to congregate near the bathrooms, yell out for one of those air marshall guys. And remember, you aren't going to die for sure because it's likely they're just doing a test run.
Oh, and be sure to write a column about it when the terra is over.
Surreal.
Do I get to meet you in person?
I'll do my duty and claim to be Atrios.
Planes had plenty of dangers before IX/XI, none of which were allowed into the corporate-dictated discourse, and it's not like the terrorists or their friends in the administration did anything about fixing any of them. It is unfair to characterize Incog's reasonable (and wider-spread than you think, Arthur C. Clarke and Stanley Kubrick didn't fly) suspicion of air travel as mere low racism or submission to the wahhabi al-Bushi.
MoniCa
pomo is to postmodernism as pogo is to???
post gonzo...
That's a label I would wear with pride.
Hmmm... I think what you get there is "Pozzo," but that makes me think of Waiting for Godot.... 
"Kick Judith Miller in the teeth.
"(Note: I am just kidding. I do not advocate violent attacks upon journalists by bloggers.)"
--Well, how do you feel about violent attacks upon journalists by ordinary, garden variety concerned citizens? The reason I ask is because I don't have a problem with it. In fact, I think it's a good idea.
"Kick Judith Miller in the teeth.
"(Note: I am just kidding. I do not advocate violent attacks upon journalists by bloggers.)"
--Well, how do you feel about violent attacks upon journalists by ordinary, garden variety concerned citizens? The reason I ask is because I don't have a problem with it. In fact, I think it's a good idea.
Journalists that flagrantly lie, and betray the public trust?
I'm sorry to say that I agree with Jeremiah, when that sort of journalist is involved.
Airplanes generally don't crash, and when they do it is generally takeoff or landing. That's when I tense up.
You are, however, more likely to die while driving. Most people ignore this because there are 1)In control. They themselves are doing the the driving and everyone thinks that they are a good driver.*
2) You're on the ground, which doesn't make much difference if you're going 40 mph.
* I consider myself, like everyone else, to be a really good driver. But just the other night went over a curb I knew was there from lack of attention (driving on only 1hrs sleep can do that to ya, impaired judgment is a beeyotch, and we all operate under it fom time to time).
Can I pretend to be a blogger at the convention? Would we know? Sorta like Timmy, Tommy, et al pretending to be at the convention while they are still at home batting ghosts of Morrow in the attic.
Sorry. Party loyalty demands Timmy, Tommy and Katie bat the ghosts of Chet and David.
For some reason, I've nearly always felt safer in an aircraft than I have in a tall building. Funnily enough, I haven't been in a tall building since 9/11.
Monica, you are a silly person if you think negative coverage of the Republican Party is some rare or novel thing. A very silly person."
Toby Petzold
TP, the only sense in which your silly declaration can be said to be true is that negative coverage of the Republican Party is rare or novel is that it is neither since it has not yet been tried. Tom Tomorrow had an illustrative cartoon in last week's In These Times. Sorry, don't have a link.
Monica is correct, TP is the silly-billy.
Atrios blogging from an undisclosed hotel room...
Jeremiah Elias=Sartre=David Patterson
The Bush administration has been pure po mo--now that we've dispensed with objective fact, governance has become so much easier!
Fight po mo with po mo, I say.
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