I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
I just want to say - I was so upset by finding out Atrios is working with Soros, that I could barely hit the send button today to sent another $100 to Kerry.
where's the chapter on inducing a stroke on imprisoned former presidents with lots of dirt on BushCo®?
Oh, via Atrios' Kerry link of course.
Holden works for no man.
(my boss is female)
did anybody else hear that kerry and only one--get it, ONE, speechwriter put together his speech for tonight.
can anybody imagins dubya putting one speech together?
This just in untold number of Iraqis
beaten to death during Yale fraternity prank...
Holden works for no man.
Me just a house husband. It's tough work let me tell ya. Lots of frilly aprons.
B b b b but they're all terrrrists! The law doesn't apply to us when we're talking about them!
can anybody imagins dubya putting one speech together?
I can't imagine dubya putting a sentence together, let alone a speech.
Soros is big jewwy jew-jew. That's how I know Atrios is wrong.
Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong!
Oh my Goddess!! I just read that Atrios works for or with Soros!! What next? I would not put it past them to try and get Bush shipped out of the Whitehouse. That is my best guess. Next we will be hearing that they are Kerry backers! OOOOOOHhhhhhh
Soooo Scary...
I can't wait for the Republican convention. It should be nukular!!
I can't imagine dubya putting a sentence together, let alone a speech.
A phrase is stretching the boundaries of the believable in this case.
Betcha can't beat a skirt, Chris. Aprons? Thats what jeans are for - to wipe your hands on.
What I heard (Army Times, iirc) is that Kerry's been writing his speech longhand, and occasionally bouncing ideas off of a professional.
I think the last Republican president who did anything like that was Nixon.
Oops! Did I just compare a candidate to a president?
Must be my irrational Bush-hatred coming through.
Betcha can't beat a skirt, Chris. Aprons?
I draw the line at wearing a skirt Barndog, unless we are playing dress up...
Over at Drudge, they're trotting out the Swift Boaters against Kerry again. Promoting a new book or something. Don't they realize that their 6 Degrees to Kevin Bacon rhetoric about Kerry isn't working?
Good clearinghouse, Holden. Reference for later when Chimpy opens his mouth and lies and lies and lies. Specially during the debates, which I want to start right the hell now.
I want Kerry to wipe the floor with this jerk.
A.
Athenae - You bought them dancing shoes yet?
Yesterday's Post story says that Karpinski was a witness. I'm glad the Crimes of War project is on this; the amount of coverup coming out of the Pentagon is stunning.
It's made from 1960's recycled neckties. It's more akin to a kilt actually.
You really can't miss me with the tye dye that I usually wear with it. Not to mention that I'm 6'6 and 280 or anything...
chris/tx - I hear you - I'm so upset over the terrible revelation that Atrios is just a bit of a genius who takes actual money from someone who is working on behalf of the Democrats that I can barely stop crying long enough to post comments.
Alas, oh oh, alas, alack - I've never been so disillusioned. Why couldn't he really be Viggo? I mean, I can understand why he couldn't be Johnny Depp; that would be just too much, I'd keel over - but why couldn't he be Viggo? Then I could really get off on the whole thing...
This part of the Bush post 9-11 narrative is so shameful and disturbing. Throughout the world, these crimes against human dignity and human rights are not seen as the doing of the Bush pirates, but as the doing of the USA. They do these things IN OUR NAME. To hear this issue reduced to a partisan he-said she said, like every other issue, further shows the corrupt nature of our media discourse. Hey, Matthews, Russert, Jennings, Koppel, Andrea fucking Mitchell, et al, THIS IS DONE IN YOUR NAME TOO! As you sit there with your snide, trivial, and supposedly detached observations, you are still American, this is still your President, and by not calling this the disgrace and breach of trust that it is, YOU ARE COMPLICIT.
Nice going, media whores. If Bush wins, you are destined to become irrelevent, because he treats you like gnats and you act like slugs.
"From as far back as I can remember, I always wanted to be a gangster."
chris, they're black and shiny and they have high high heels.
All the better for dancing on a table.
Preznit Kerry, BITCH!
A.
where's the chapter on inducing a stroke on imprisoned former presidents with lots of dirt on BushCo®?
But now the story is that Saddam has a prostate infection. Hm. You think they Abu Ghraped him or something while he was in custody?
From sdai-tech's essay on Why I like Dick Cheney
"His experience came in real handy on 9-11. After the President was evacuated to safety Cheney took command of the White House and helped formulate the response on one of America’s darkest days"
Muahahahahahaha. That never gets old.
Athenae - Mine are red, baby. I'm climbing up on that table with you - get ready.
where the FUCK have we as a nation gone when there is a "Crimes of War" project that has to keep tabs on us!
Could have been that glowstick of truth.
MidnightRider -- I was just walking through a neighborhood near here and remembered that the last time I did so I was walking down the street crying (and trying to not be noticed crying) over the torture stuff, precisely for the reason you cite: done in our name, done in my name, financed by you and me. I konw this is two threads too late, but, it wasn't what made me hate Bush, it was what made me hate him even more.
GOB - I think that was a typo - it should have read: "After the president evacuated his bowels a number of times..."
Tena - As we both have been around forever (you longer than I), always thought he had to be in economics. He would always stay around a little longer in the economics threads so he could slap me and Karmakan(?) around a little. And remember when he had his first fundraiser for that computer, and then someone came along and bought it for him outright...hmm. Personally, I am pretty impressed with his creds and happy to see he is linked with a "good billionaire". Me, I use to work for a company owned by one of the main DFW billionaires that put Bush into the governor seat and then the White House, I'm doing penance.
Speaking of torture, here's a nifty little update on the Afghanistan torture house being run by americans, whom the Dept. of Defense has quickly disassociated themselves. Only, thing is, in an older quote, they list this guy as 'an advisor'. As this writer points out, advisor is a very different animal than say, 'a vigilante we've never heard of', which is what DOD called him when he got busted. Liars. And this guy is pointing fingers at the Pentagon, which is why we don't hear about it. Click homepagey for link.
And when Atrios writes his book I'm sure that Soros will buy copies in bulk to put it on the NYT bestseller list like Scaife does for Psycho Annie.
And I bet Atrios drinks French wine, too.
Don't forget about the movie "Afghan Massacre," which as far as I know has yet to be shown in the United States, but apparently can be purchased as a video:
http://www.acftv.com/more.asp?id=271
Afghan Massacre
The Convoy of Death
The film the United States authorities didn't want you to see: a compelling investigation into the true human cost of our "war against terror."
AFGHAN MASSACRE tells of the horrific forced journey undertaken by thousands of prisoners who surrendered to America's Afghan allies after the siege of Kunduz.
Bundled into containers, the lucky ones were shot within minutes. The rest suffered an appalling road trip lasting up to four days, clawing at the skin of their fellow prisoners as they licked perspiration and even drank blood from open wounds.
Up to 3,000 now lie buried in a mass grave, but this was NOT a simple matter of Afghans killing Afghans.
AFGHAN MASSACRE tells of how American Special Forces took control of the operation, re-directed the containers carrying the living and dead into the desert and stood by as survivors were shot and buried.
And it details how the Pentagon lied to the world in order to cover up its role in the greatest atrocity of the entire Afghan War. This is the documentary they did not want you to see.
AFGHAN MASSACRE was produced over ten months in extremely dangerous circumstances: eyewitnesses were threatened and subsequently killed, the film crew were forced into hiding and our researcher was savagely beaten to within an inch of his life. He was recently awarded the 2002 Rory Peck Award for Hard News, The SONY Award and the film has been nominated for a Royal Television Society Award for Current Affairs.
Unhappy Workers Should Take Prozac --Bush Campaigner
Thu Jul 29, 2004 01:50 PM ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A campaign worker for President Bush said on Thursday American workers unhappy with low-quality jobs should find new ones -- or pop a Prozac to make themselves feel better.
"Why don't they get new jobs if they're unhappy -- or go on Prozac?" said Susan Sheybani, an assistant to Bush campaign spokesman Terry Holt.
The comment was apparently directed to a colleague who was transferring a phone call from a reporter asking about job quality, and who overheard the remark.
When told the Prozac comment had been overheard, Sheybani said: "Oh, I was just kidding."
While recent employment growth has buoyed Bush's economic record, Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry has argued the new jobs are not as good as those lost due to outsourcing in recent years.
Nearly 1.1 million jobs have been lost since Bush took office in January 2001.
Tena, I wonder if Holden's are pink to match his frilly dress?
We're going to be some pretty dancing girls that night. He'll be so jealous.
A.
$10. bucks says Sheybani has a new job tomorrow
$10. bucks says Sheybani has a new job tomorrow
...or she pops a few Prozac herself
And when Atrios writes his book I'm sure that Soros will buy copies in bulk to put it on the NYT bestseller list like Scaife does for Psycho Annie.
Nah, he's allergic to *'s, which would go next to any fake "best-seller."
Who wants to go down with mAnn Coulter in history.
...
OK, I apologize for putting that image in your heads.
Here in Tampa, a huge Capital One Call center is closing, 3000 more jobs gone to Bangalore.
Nighty Night George. I hope every last one of the poor bastards registers democrat.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A campaign worker for President Bush said on Thursday American workers unhappy with low-quality jobs should find new ones -- or pop a Prozac to make themselves feel better.
They already have Prozac in India?
Perhaps Atrios could comment on The Long Knives, by Matthew Iglesias posted 7/29 on prospect.org.
It talks about how the Clintons and the DLC are already working Kerry over to drop his campaign promises on economic populist issues such as fair trade. Laura Tyson (you remember her, right?) is quoted as saying that a Kerry administration would expressely rule out writing environmental standards into trade agreements, and would seek further liberalization and economic integration.
Dems of all ages will enjoy the following quote:
"Tyson acknowledged that her remarks were somewhat at odds with much of what Kerry's said on the campaign trail.
"When people say, 'well, listen to what the Kerry campaign has said about trade in some of the primaries, we are concerned that Senator Kerry will move the US away from trade integration,'" she said, she tells them to "think about the issue of national campaigns in the US" and to "recognize that what might be said in one primary ... is not an indicator of the future." "
The guy hasn't even given his nomination speech yet and he is already backpedaling, at least accoring to this article.
Atrios, would you use your sources to clarify?
Grand Moff Texan:
There are some images that, once shared, can never be forgiven.
That is one of them.
Jerome Doolittle over at BadAttitudes has a bumper sticker brainstorm going. Looking for good little anti-chimp slogans. All of you guys are so witty, you should pop over there and contribute to the collective if it behooves you. My favorite so far is:
Another pretzel could have saved us from war.
Yeah Grand moff, you need a time-out.
Pit-A-Pat,
There is reason to cry, and there is reason to act. We must defeat Bush, as you know. But no matter what happens in November, we must also defeat those would turn every election into a personality contest, every issue into an exercise in point/counterpoint, and an unbiased search for the truth as rare as a blizzard in Hollywood.
I don't know how we can take down corporate journalism, but if we don't this is not a democracy.
"Stay classy, San Diego."
OT but worth it: compare the official
http://www.preparingforemergencies.gov.uk
with the not quite official
http://www.preparingforemergencies.co.uk
"In an effort to worry the public and convince them to vote for us again next year, and because George Bush asked us to, this website includes the common sense advice found in the Preparing for Emergencies booklet, and information on what the government is doing to protect the country as a whole. (Hint: we're praying really, really hard.) National editions of the booklet will be available here when we can be arsed to get translators to put them into your crazy moon languages."
O.K., here is the deal:
who out there has the creative talent to put together trading cards of these jokers in office?
On the front side would be a goofy or sinister photo and on the back would be their "stats" on mishandling 9/11, the prison abuse, etc.
So, for example we could have this photo of Condaleeza Rice on the front with such stats on the back as:
Serving as the president's most trusted security advisor, Condi:
* briefed the preznit on the Gary Condit/intern story during August 2001 vacation while failing to grasp the meaning of "Bin Laden Determined to Strike the United States" August 6th Presidentail Daily Brief
* could not read in toto the NIE brief on Iraq that would have alerted her to the fact that several agencies, which were later proven right, strongly objected to the view that Saddam Hussein's regime possessed WMD
Fun facts:
* A supposed expert on Soviet and German affairs, Condi is alone among scholars in asserting that the Nazis had an effective counter-insurgency against the triumphant Americans after the end of major combat operations.
* Condi has a secret crush on her boss
One can have a lot of fun with this!
Here in Tampa, a huge Capital One Call center is closing, 3000 more jobs gone to Bangalore.
Congress is hastily convening next week with the Republican-sponsored Make Every Bangalore Call Center Worker A US Citizen Overnight Bill.
chris/tx - Yep. His posts on economics have always been over my head by miles. I could tell he had an expertise; I hardly ever comment on the economics threads. I'm not surprised, really.
As for the Soros link - good for him, and it's about time.
As for penance for a job where you have no control over who your bosses back - let's not go there. It isn't necessary.
What cracks me up about Condi is that she is a Soviet Union expert. Except that there hasn't been a Soviet Union for a while. Nice pick, Georgie.
Good stuff on neocon terrorists and Bush' war on NGOs at The War in Context
Lovely, all these comments about how some of you are actually crying over some very weak forms of abuse, carried out by a few people acting as rogues. Yet none of you are ever heard commenting on Saddam's abuse. Why? Because you're morons.
You get your news from a Democratic Party blog. Do you not realize how skewed that makes anything you have to say? Do you not realize how slanted you are? Do you not understand how openly you embrace hiding from the truth?
Please, you are all pathetic. Where's your concern about France willing to let more Iraqies die for oil? No, no concern about that. I'm just really upset that somebody got panties stuck on their heads.
Pathetic. You are truly Kerry-sheep.
Lovely, all these comments about how some of you are actually crying over some very weak forms of abuse, carried out by a few people acting as rogues. Yet none of you are ever heard commenting on Saddam's abuse. Why? Because you're morons.
You get your news from a Democratic Party blog. Do you not realize how skewed that makes anything you have to say? Do you not realize how slanted you are? Do you not understand how openly you embrace hiding from the truth?
Please, you are all pathetic. Where's your concern about France willing to let more Iraqies die for oil? No, no concern about that. I'm just really upset that somebody got panties stuck on their heads.
Pathetic. You are truly Kerry-sheep.
Holden - good post. I'm glad that the center has information on the "secret prisons." I'm so sick about all of this that I can barely stand to read about it. Mass murder in Afghanistan - this is what America has come to?
Fuck the little details about what Kerry may or may not do once he is in office and fuck anyone who continues to spread the lie that the Clintons are out to get Kerry. Sheesh. Under the Bush regime, the U.S. has turned into a Stalinist regime with a series of gulags. I don't really give a shit right now about stupid rumors about Kerry's plans for trade. I care deeply about getting rid of the torturers and the mad men who have taken over this government.
Where's wOOt with the troll shield?
Yet none of you are ever heard commenting on Saddam's abuse. Why? Because you're morons.
Yes, we did.
So, what's the difference? We paid for both. We went from paying Iraqis to torture Iraqis to torturing them ourselves.
And your point is...?
And why are you more interested in us than in actual crimes?
Re: working with the devil. I once worked for the law firm that gave us Kenneth Starr and Theordore Olson. But I worked really really slow...
smarty:
Infinite Jest has a set of Orwellian trading cards here.
Alas, no Condi, but fearless leader is featured a few times, including here as the Tick.
97 isolated incidents
a few rogues
never heard of Karpinski
how can you correct the "Kerry-sheep" (and I really must compliment you on the stinging barbs, btw) if you don't know anything?
see? if you only hang out where it's safe for your sad addiction to failure and the shame of your country, you don't really ... learn much, do you?
so, when you lash out, you draw back a stump
so sad
but, it doesn't have to be that way
stick around, click some links
stopping sucking the problem's dick and get with the solution
You try to compare one to the other, which is a common liberal argument tactic. There is absolutely, positively, no way to possibly equate a few small random acts with the regime of Saddam Hussein. Even you must know that? Please know that? Pretty please live in reality?
I welcome debate, but please, hold your Kerry cliches. They're easily beaten.
And I'm more interested in you because what saddens me most is not Kerry. What saddens me most is the comments I've read here, people who obviously at one point in their life had a total disconnect with reality. That frightens me greatly. Their hatred for Bush blinds them to hearing anything that might interfere with that hatred. They are incapable of rational thought. It is a handicap, and threatens the rest of us.
One more thing in his records that he can run on, tortured lots of people. How are they getting away with this, Imagine that all of this crap came out when Clinton was in office, he would have been destroyed. 9/11 changed everything. . .go cheney yourself.
We need, honor, integrity, strength, decency, humanity and compassion restored to our country. Without a regime change, America is just a thug.
Troll go away. We aren't talking about a few minor incidents, and you know that. You are lying and you know that too. Quit muddying up the threads with your total bullshit - no one buys it. Go back to LGF, where they like that kind of utter crap.
"Why don't they get new jobs if they're unhappy -- or go on Prozac?"
Of course she was joking--she meant to say "soma".
Just three half-gramme tablets and you'll be in your personal, perenially blue sky.
Why don't the thugs take it even further, you know, to get out the youth vote: "A Tablet of Ecstacy on Every Tongue!"
You people all conveniently ignore evidence to the contrary which is freely available as internal memos. But, of course, I could understand why they might not be taken as "evidence" per se. But evidence to the contrary has been even weaker, so...
But I mean, really, use Occam's Razor for crying out loud. You're like the people who think aliens are visiting them at night. No proof, but conjecture is guilt. Right?
Do you really think Bush and Rumsfeld sit in a dark office and draft up torture methods, while laughing gleefully? Do you really believe that the human being known as George Bush is THAT different from YOU? Again, no reality, just hate. You guys are REALLL thinkers. Wow. I'm a troll - cause I'll never visit this cesspool of disinformation again.
Casper Hauser,
Wow, those are a little too wicked for me!
NotDem,
you are hilarious! do you have on-line ticketing for your comedy act?
I note that if I disagree, I'm a troll. But if other people don't even make any argument, just a blanket anti-bush statement - they are not. You really are a freedom-loving bunch aren't you? Sorry to disturb your dark little corner Tena.
97 is a very small number darling. So is 900 by the way. Check your perspective.
NotDem,
I thought you were going away.
You come in here and call us all disillusioned assholes, and you expect us to treat you nice?
Fuck off, would ya
Total disconnect from reality?
"Although it may be true that al-Qaeda is as determined to destroy the US as the Axis Powers were in World War II, this observation is a Himalayan exaggeration if it is meant to suggest a parallel. Al-Qaeda is a few thousand fanatics mainly distributed in a handful of countries. If Zacharias Moussaoui and Richard Reid are any indication, a lot of them are one step away from from collecting old soda cans on the street in their grocery carts while mumbling about the radios the government implanted in their asses.
So while their determination may be impressive (or just creepy), they are not comparable to the might of three industrialized dictatorships with populations in the tens of millions. Some 13 million men served in the German army (Heer) alone between 1935 and 1945. (And WW II killed 55 million persons, not 3 thousand).
I repeat, al-Qaeda proper only has a few hundred fighters, those who pledged allegiance personally to Bin Laden, and a few thousand if you count other Afghan Arabs and their ideological soul mates. Most of them are not wealthy or trained or competent, and a lot are just crackpots. (Read an account of the misadventures of Richard Reid again). September 11 was possible mainly because Ramzi Bin al-Shibh lucked out and managed to recruit some high-powered engineering Ph.D. students in Hamburg who knew something serious about kinetic energy. The organization does not have a lot of persons of that caliber, though Cheney has done everything in his power to make them easier for al-Qaeda to recruit."
Juan Cole- Informed Comment
Go read his entry "Cheney Watch" and tell me who is disconnected from reality.
Ummm, ok Mooser. That had what to do with what now? That applied to my statements HOW?
My comments reflected on how 97 abuse allegations (and we can wing this figure up or down a pretty good deal and hold this true) is hardly anything against Saddam's abuse. Not even close in scope or depth. And to expect President Bush to have absolute control over the discipline of 150,000 troops is pure insanity. There is absolutely no merit to your argument here. None. Zero. Hello? Reality calling, will you accept the charges?
900 casualties are next to nothing in comparison with most other ground interdictions throughout history. These are very low casualty rates that demarcate success, not failure. Less than 1% of the attacking force was lost, militarily that IS near perfection. There is no merit to this argument either, no way to rationalize otherwise. More hot air.
Al-Qaeda's numbers are utterly irrelevant however. Why? Because numbers DO NOT indicate effectiveness. If you want to see casualties, look at how many a comparatively few Vietnamese inflicted. What does this mean? Who am I talking to? Why did you post this? The truth, when in your face, is just enraging isn't it?
Also, I don't know what the LGF is. I don't go to party websites for my news and facts. That's the stupidest thing in the world.
NotDem,
Do you mean the internal memos where they talk about it being OK to ignore the Geneva Conventions? Those internal memos?
Oh, I didn't think so.
Thanks.
Next?
Bottom line: over 900 American troops dead, thousands wounded, and what have we gained? Where's the flowers and candies they were supposed to be showered with by grateful Iraqis? Oh, the Iraqis are ingrates? Well, those soldiers will get royal treatment when they return home (some day!), the finest in medical care for those who do -- what, where'd that VA funding go?
Swift Boaters against Kerry again
Why do these folks not support our troops?
900 casualties are next to nothing
Somehow, I think I can find 900 families who'll disagree pretty strongly with you.
There is absolutely, positively, no way to possibly equate a few small random acts with the regime of Saddam Hussein.
Yes, I'm sure we can all easily beat what we didn't bother to read in the first place.
Or are you too young to remember the 80s?
You keep talking about typical this and moron that. You don't know anything about the subject, only that we're bad.
Feh. You are no challenge.
Those memos never said that, but thanks for posting more half-truth for these people to gobble up and spit back into each other's mouths. (Quite an image)
The memos speak of how the US is not a consignee of the later version of the Geneva conventions, which is true. We are not part of later, more complicated, less rational conventions. While your comment is relatively true, you say it to try and imply that torture was therefore green-lighted. And you know that's not true since you already know the contents of the memos. So why write that? Just think about why you did that. Sad, the reason, huh? Scared?
The memos only, ONLY indicate that standing in one place, lower-quality food and other low-grade coercion methods are permissible. The memos also state that higher-grade torture is specifically NOT permissible.
Dur, next? Next? Thanks reader K, you really showed me. Showed me what a lunatic you are. Let the hate go buddy. It's cool.
Their hatred for Bush blinds them to hearing anything that might interfere with that hatred. They are incapable of rational thought
Which keeps you from having to actually make sense.
No wonder you'll hide there. Fine, I'll leave you there.
900 families arguments and other such drivel are inadmissable. Everyone knows that, this is a measurement of the gains versus the losses. Please don't bother with wounded baby pictues either, it does not change this argument one way or the other.
Texan,
Thank you for making no argument at all. I cannot respond to it, because you didn't say anything. Good talk pal, HATE BUSH 2004 all the way.
As for the rest, I gotta get back to work. And I'll probably never be here again, so rest easy. Just please, give these things some real thought. Don't just jump on what you WANT to believe.
Take it easy, all kidding aside, I'm sure you're nice people. Just like Republicans are not demons. We're all people who want to do right. Remember that.
uh, what argument?
Were you laboring under the misapprehension that you had one?
No, NotDem, I did.
You missed it.
Try again.
(that's assuming that you're not just running away)
Is NotDem actually ignorant of the attacking the bias fallacy? Bastard brother of ad hominem?
You have not one argument to your credit.
So please, go back to 'work,' whatever job you don't actually need to think for.
The memos also state that higher-grade torture is specifically NOT permissible.
Ah, I see. The false plural. This would be the memo that magicaly moved forward in time and nixed all those later decisions that didn't go up to the WH but did and magically fooled Karpinsky into thinking that she'd seen what she hadn't seen.
Still no word on why we didn't say what we did.
Still no word on Saddam Hussein and torture. Just the usual cut and past job.
Come back any time, lightweight.
Texan,
I really do have a job to do, you know. I can't argue until you get it, because I would never see my family again. Understand pal?
Again, you haven't said anything. I just went back through your posts. You didn't say ANYTHING. No has made a sensible counter to my assertions here. Insults without the benefit of an argument are really stupid. With an argument, they're a riot and I applaud.
Lightweight? You're no weight. You have no ground. You made some leftish, un-fact remarks about the memo "moving in time"???? And the effect on whoever. Who cares? The memo is the memo, it's content is it's content. Your man is the one stealing documents, not theirs. Who should believe in conspiracies?
It's Bill Cosby, right? That NotDem guy is Bill Cosby. I knew it!
Bua ha ha.... here he is again! Hey Not Dem, you've still not said whose bitch you are... go on, admit it: It's mine, isn't it?!
Ah... forgive me for sullying Bill's good name.
Why are you still here, Notdem? You promised you'd go away.
Be sure not to let the glowstick hit you in the ass as you leave.
No has made a sensible counter to my assertions here.
I think I see the problem.
No, NotDem, I pointed out the one thing conservatives can't handle on Iraq. That's why you're hiding. Calling it names and pretending it's too complicated for your poor little head is so ... instapundit it's pathetic.
Let's start small: you made a contra-factual statement, which you used as a base for a collective ad hominem assault.
Right away, you're not abiding by the rules of engagement, so you can't benefit from them. Sound familiar?
You then showed either that you have no backgroud on Iraq or you know that you can't afford to go there. So, you didn't.
You then spouted the latest talking points on the torture memos. Neato.
Ever wonder why you have to keep getting new versions? You'd think it might make you think.
But no.
This is why I say: you're just hiding.
Feh.
So the troll wants to blame the soldiers who received orders for torture going all the way up to the White House, but not those who gave them? Why do you hate American Troops in Iraq, Mister Troll?
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