I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Oh my! This is like being the first one in the snow when you're little. Do you really want to mess up the perfect whiteness?
I guess they were just too quick to jump at a trumped up story. And really, when's the last time the media was guilty of that?
Uh, you're surprised?
Now that that's out of the way, I wanna know more about Sandy Berger. I haven't seen this story anywhere.
Maybe Jon Stewart will pick up on this? *fingers-crossed*
So, has he been "cleared of any wrongdoing"?!?
Sorry, that should be "media were."
Anyone know where I can find a breakdown of Kerry vs Bush and what they stand for? I need something to show this repub. asshole I work with. I am looking for something that shows where they stand on the issues. Thanks.
What? CNN, willing thralls of the Corporate Uberlords? Obedient lackies of Grand Chancellor Palpatine? A group of snivelling Wormtails ever so eager to serve They-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named? Hesitant to report that Berger has been cleared? Say it isn't so!!!
this shows a breakdown of the candidates on middle class issues.
I hope you're not holding your breath.
I imagine it will show up in the NYTimes as a page 23 correction and CNN will never mention it at all. Kind of like how they sorta forgot to tell us that Hillary had been exonerated in "filegate."
CNN really got on my last nerve with their pathetic coverage last night. It was painful seeing Mr. Penis for a Head Gillespie trying to trash Kerry last night. Even MSNBC did a better job.
Archives clerk:
Nothing in his trousers. Mr Berger was just happy to see me.
Quit rushing, quit rushing!!
It is nowhere _near_ 5 o'clock yet.
Dantes, great handle.
A.
Yeah, we'll hear just as many media reports about Berger getting clear as we heard when that poor schmuck security guard Richard Jewell got when he was cleared for the Olympic Park Bombing.
I assume it wasn't mentioned in the daily RNC talking points.
Being at CNN means never having to say you're sorry (unless David Letterman busts you.)
So if I rob a bank and then return the money, will I be "cleared of all wrongdoing"? I consider this a minor matter at best, certainly trumped up by the right-wing out of all proportion by several orders of magnitude, but despite what your link says I'm doubtful that he has actually been "cleared of all wrongdoing."
Oh, wait a sec, now I see the earlier post. Should have scrolled down. Funny tidbit: on Josh Marshall's site today he refered to an earlier post of his by using the standard writing contruct of "as I mentioned above, blah, blah, blah". Well, that works fine on the *printed* page...
Newsmax says that the Nat. Archives is denying that Berger has been cleared.
But when you read the story the Archives spokesperson merely refuses to comment on an ongoing investigation.
It doesn't matter, they got him off of Kerry's team on a trumped up charge and that's all that matters. And despite being cleared, you just know that Limbaugh and Clones will still bring it up whenever Joe Wilson's name is mentioned.
OT because this thread is not full yet.
Did anyone else watch ABC yesterday? They cut away twice during Kerry's speech to show Al Jazeera and Al Arabiya TV showing Kerry's speech. Rather odd, I thought. Why not French or German or British TV?
I've already forgotten the rhyming thing they were trying to get started on drudge and others....something in the socks? Guess that didn't 'stick' too well...just more lies from the lying liars.
Shotglass shows the way to get action on this: Let's let David Letterman know.
Don't worry, they'll run it...just not until we're a little deeper into the weekend. You know, that way not so many people will be watching. CNN - "The War may be over, but we're still embedded."
Next up..Janet Jackson's breast kidnaps a pregnant white girl!
I thought he was tried, convicted, and sent to Gitmo?
Nah, don't worry about that.
The media have been cleared of all integrity.
(speaking of lacking integrity... anyone want to take bets as to whether Hastert and McConnell will apologize to Berger for their ridiculous accusations?)
OT for this thread, but...
I wonder what response we'd see if, in the middle of an earnest interview with Bush over religion and the role Christianity plays in his life, a reporter asked him what god's voice sounds like.
Dissidentvoice on the Allawi execution story and the US media memory hole.
onehandle: "I thought he was tried, convicted, and sent to Gitmo?"
No, that was Whoopi Goldberg.
But on the bright side, the big "July surprise" is getting no play at all. Foopie's capture made page nine of the SF Chronicle, and was not even mentioned on the local news.
No, Susan Sheybani's the one headed to Gitmo...or at least, she's being fitted for her gag right now.
But, but, they thought that he had stuffed the Clenis down his socks -- so Clinton must be to blame somewhere for this, right?
OT -- did someone see the piece in the paper (buried, of course) of the former judge (can't recall his name) who was forced to resign rather than face a criminal probe into his unethical, if not outright illegal conduct, but who was then appointed the head of the CAPPS program in the Transportation Department or Homeland Security Department????
Of course, no biggie. He's just an almost indicted felon who is currently sitting in a Bush-appointed position holding sway over our CIVIL LIBERTIES to travel unfettered.
But hey, it IS Friday. Nothing to see here. Scott Peterson looks like he's lost 40 lbs!!!!!
this should be getting more coverage, but at the same time, it doesn't seem like he's actually been 'cleared of all wrongdoing' -- the National Archives wasn't the one investigating him for making off with classified documents. Regardless of whether the 9/11 commission has seen all the docs or not and if they were photocopies, he still seems to have removed them when he shouldn't have. It's a small offense but let's be clear here..
TSM_SF,
I wonder what the response would be in your proposed interview with Bush and the role Christianity plays in his life, if the reporter asks him how often he goes to church and what church he attends when he does so.
This is a story I've been looking to see in the media for awhile--Bush, to whom God called to be president in these dangerous times, doesn't go to church.
Doesn't matter to commenters here, but it matters to the churchies out there. Or it ought to.
They're just taking time to check the documents stuffed in President Butch's "Mission Accomplished"-flightsuit's codpiece.
Can't be too careful, y'know.
Some repug was on CNN this a.m. saying Iran was enriching uranium and had broken seals placed by UN. What was Kerry going to do about it, he wanted to know with no outward sign of irony.
That's it. To be on the safe side, all further ventures into the National Archives will have to be done in the nude.
You know, for security reasons.
My guess is that the general public never paid any attention to that story, too confusing. But given the amount of airtime CNN gave to all of Berger/Clinton's detractors, you'd think they'd report the story. What? The Fairness Doctrine has been repealed?
Just sent the tip on Berger's total innocence to the anonymous Drudge news lead line -- everyone else play along. 'Cause, y'know, he'll definitely want to retract his mistake in dead-horsing the original story, right?
Right, Matt?
Yo, Mattie, want an egg? Matt...?
[crickets]
So, I went looking around on different sites to see if the SCLM has exonerated Berger and the Times has nothing (though a quick search yielded some cat poo from Jodi Wilgoren -- ugh, so glad I no longer pay for the Times) and MSNBC has nothing, but, check out the picture of Kerry front and center. Maybe I'm just, oh, sensitive about pictorial representation.
OT: Irony is not dead.
Florida Republicans Tell Some Voters to Skip Touchscreens, Vote Absentee
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) - Republican Gov. Jeb Bush has tried for months to persuade Florida voters touchscreen voting machines are reliable. His own party apparently hasn't gotten the message.
The state GOP paid for a flier critical of the new technology and sent it to some south Florida voters where a primary election is scheduled next month.
. . .
http://tinyurl.com/6a3ch
"I wonder what response we'd see if...a reporter asked him what god's voice sounds like."
By an odd coincidence, it sounds a lot like Dick Cheney's. It used to sound a lot like Ken Lay's, but God being omnipotent as well as a Republican can sound like anyone he wants...
Speaking of CNN, wasn't Marshall's post last night lame? Particularly, given he hasn't produced on the DC quake.
I don't get it? How is mentioning that Sandy Berger cleared of wrongdoing good for Israel? And if it isn't good for Israel, why would the "US" media waste its time?
You know how many pro-Israel "the wall is good" PSA's they could run in the time it takes to report on Berger? Are you all anti-semites or something?????
There were never any charges filed against him, it was merely an investigation into the matter. The investigation yielded no matter in which he could be charged therefore he was cleared.
How much more simple can we make it for the trolls.
You can't try and spin it that even though they didn't charge him he was still guilty of wrongdoing. That's the premise of Guilty until proven innocent, Our legal system is based upon the opposite premise. If it wasn't then we would be within our rights as citizens to arrest and detain the entire Bush administration. They certainly look guilty.
OT - tell me no one else sees that John Ashcroft looks like Droopy the dog?
How about an apology from DeLay, Hastert, and the other repub congressmen who accused Berger of destroying evidence that might hurt Clinton. (They didn't *know* that all the originals were still in the Archives and could be checked? Right.)
Waiting...waiting...
>Speaking of CNN, wasn't Marshall's post last night lame? Particularly, given he hasn't produced on the DC quake.
Yep, someone needs to put a gun to Marshall's head (so to speak) and say "Publish the damn tectonic story or get off the pot."
Regarding earlier, OT post:
The CAPPS administrator is Stephen Thayer. Was forced down from the bench in New Hampshire to avoid prosecution over his conduct on the bench.
I am already sleeping better at night knowing that someone like him is setting up "no fly" lists for average, law-abiding Americans.
"You can't try and spin it that even though they didn't charge him he was still guilty of wrongdoing. That's the premise of Guilty until proven innocent, Our legal system is based upon the opposite premise. If it wasn't then we would be within our rights as citizens to arrest and detain the entire Bush administration. They certainly look guilty.
krsaz"
Tsk, tsk. Don't you know IOKIYAR?
I saw it earlier on the scroll.
But an actual LIVE MENTION? You're shitting me, right...
Yep, someone needs to put a gun to Marshall's head (so to speak) and say "Publish the damn tectonic story or get off the pot."
John
I thought the tectonic story was the July Surprise that ultimately came out in TNR.
Somewhere the meaning of the word scandal changed. Socksgate will live on and on and on due to cable trash TV news and call in shows. Books full of lies (immediate remainders) will be funded by neo-Nazi billionaires and make the Best Seller's list with little daggers next to them. Many hours of blond bimbo babble will be blathered on the subject. It will come up in web searches due to all of this prevarication for profit. Lazy media whores for generations who never took a history course in college will parrot the disinformation gleaned from their first few hits. This is now called research, which apparently doesn't mean what it used to. And on and on.
CNN won't correct itself.
Berger, AFAIK, has NOT been "cleared of all wrongdoing".
I understand that the original reports of removing (and according to some reports, destroying) original classified documents from the archives of the 9/11 commision are now known to be false.
But doesn't he still stand accused of taking copies of classified material, and taking notes on classified material and transporting them to a non-secure location?
Make that bottle blond bimbo babble will be blathered.
Holden
Huh. Interesting, but I thought it was gonna be something with Josh's name on it, something about Plame and Scooter being prep-walked out of the White House (preferably during the DNC, which would have be an awesome counter-bitchslap to the arrest of the HVT in Pakistan).
Let me get this straight, the White House leaks a story that Sandy Burger is under investigation just before the Democratic Convention. Information they have had for some time. Big headlines everywhere.
Today the Convention is over there is a report that he has been cleared. But no big headlines...Hhmmmm. Move along, nothing to see here.
And people still don't think the press is being used by the Republicans.
I also noted earlier on the scroll about the minor $450bn budget problem.
Oh, right - the economy is doing fine and we can't do any better. I forgot.
"But doesn't he still stand accused of taking copies of classified material, and taking notes on classified material and transporting them to a non-secure location?"
No.
Kramden:
Read the posted link before you make an ass of yourself in the comments section. The quote from said link is:
President Clinton's national security adviser, Sandy Berger -- who'd been accused of stealing classified material from the National Archives -- has been cleared of all wrongdoing.
*bangs head on the desk, spelling out in morse code "Please read the post before commenting!"*
SANDY BERGER IS A FAT, MORONIC TRAITOR WHO LET DOWN OUR COUNTRY -- YOURS AND MINE -- BECAUSE HE WAS TOO CHICKENSHIT TO KILL BIN LADIN.
THAT'S THE TRUTH!!!!
SANDY BERGER IS A FAT, MORONIC TRAITOR WHO LET DOWN OUR COUNTRY -- YOURS AND MINE -- BECAUSE HE WAS TOO CHICKENSHIT TO KILL BIN LADIN.
THAT'S THE TRUTH!!!!
SANDY BERGER IS A FAT, MORONIC TRAITOR WHO LET DOWN OUR COUNTRY -- YOURS AND MINE -- BECAUSE HE WAS TOO CHICKENSHIT TO KILL BIN LADIN.
THAT'S THE TRUTH!!!!
There were never any charges filed against him, it was merely an investigation into the matter. The investigation yielded no matter in which he could be charged therefore he was cleared.
well put, Krsaz, but to put it in simple terms that even the average troll can understand -- someone has their purse stolen at work and, since you're three cubes over and do lunch at a different time, the cops put you on their list of suspects until they've gotten your alibi and cleared you. You were never charged with stealing the purse and are totally innocent. But you were part of an investigation.
Or do we have to illustrate it, a la My Pet Goat?
SANDY BERGER IS A FAT, MORONIC TRAITOR WHO LET DOWN OUR COUNTRY -- YOURS AND MINE -- BECAUSE HE WAS TOO CHICKENSHIT TO KILL BIN LADIN.
THAT'S THE TRUTH!!!!
Nothing on MSGOP either
of course when asked about the July Surprise story they said they don't speculate on the news.
But then today they are speculating about Tom Ridge
NBC nothing but crap and Republican crap at that
I think a real key to Marshall is that he doesn't believe he needs to keep air freshener in his restroom.
And the non-reporting/blackout of this development is surprising news because . . . . ?
Not to mention taking the "w"s off the keyboards, leaving porn-bombs on the fax machine, and putting "office of strategery" signs on the doors.
Or am I getting my scandals confused?
John -
I did too, but then that story came out and... I could be wrong, but I thought that might be the one.
Oh, and as for Kramden...
One of these days, Ralph, *POW* right to the moon!
was curious about the inspector general initiating the 69 criminal investigations of the CPA losing a billion dollars:
Stuart W. Bowen Jr.
http://www.cpa-ig.org/bio.html
his former law firm:
http://tinyurl.com/55nmp
anybody else think these criminal investigations aren't very going far?
Edwards is a robot.com,
forgot your meds?
I just noticed the troll posting
hmmmm
desperate acts
soon they will be mooning the thread
All that has been confirmed is that he didn't steal any originals. Which is great news. But it doesn't get him completely off the hook for taking the copies.
Don't just sit there staring at the tube, though.
You've got email, you've got phones. Write or call, ask them to apologize.
Everyone on the Dem side is in transit today, so our professional rapid response teams are going to be off their game. Step into the breach, and write those letters for them!
Anyone remember who was most egregiously nasty? I wrote a general letter to CNN, but methinks that specific ones to Wolfy and Paula Zahn would be in order. Anyone care to report any other remembered atrocities?
Where's Wesley clark when you need him to paraphrase FDR - repetition of something does not make it true.
DICK CHENEY IS A BALD, EVIL TRAITOR WHO IS PROFITING FROM THE DEATHS OF YOUNG AMERICANS IN IRAQ!!!
Ha. Ha. You search Google News by date for "Sandy Berger" and the first entry is a hit piece on Kerry from a Freeper blog:
John Kerry's Communist connections.
Of course the Freepers very actively harass Google for posting stories from Indymedia and other leftist sites so I'm imagining they also put their own stories up and spam them.
KARL ROVE IS A FAT SCUMBAG TREASONOUS TRAITOR WHO IDENTIFIED A CIA AGENT!
Wait - does capitalization of a statement, and THEN repeating it make it true?
But doesn't he still stand accused of taking copies of classified material, and taking notes on classified material and transporting them to a non-secure location?
Ralph Kramden
Actually, Ralph is right, RSR. The short brief only refers to the WSJ article, which does not go so far as to suggest that Berger has been exonerated completely.
The title of the WSJ article, which media such as Diane Rehm and this link have picked up on is "Berger Cleared of Withholding Material From 9/11 Commission."
No more, no less. It seems that the radio station was a bit sloppy. If they had more information than the referred to WSJ, they didn't mention it.
However, the fact remains that the SCLM should be picking up on this rather conclusive WSJ article.
They are not reporting on Sandy Berger because the cheneying balloons didn't fall down the right way.
Yep... as the bot above proves... freepers heads are exploding all over the nation.
The DNC is complete, and the best the neo-cons could throw at Kerry was an leak about a campaign advisor that was almost immediately cleared, and a faulty balloon drop.
Freepers, your days are SO numbered.
As I posted on an earlier thread, this story has certainly changed. We've gone from Berger stuffing documents into his socks and pants and conducting ruses to get away from archive employees to indadvertently taking photocopies.
GEORGE W BUSH IS A SIMPLE MINDED UNCURIOUS EASILY DISTRACTED DIPSHIT WHO HAS FAILED AT ALMOST EVERY ENTERPRISE HE'S EVER BEEN INVOLVED IN, AND HAS LOTS OF TROUBLE EVEN STAYING ON HIS FEET!
>Wait - does capitalization of a statement, and THEN repeating it make it true?
Let's find out:
GEORGE W. BUSH CRAPS IN HIS HAND AND THEN RUBS HIS FECES IN HIS HAIR WHILE JUMPS UP AND DOWN SINGING "MY MOMMY LOVES ME."
Taking notes is a violation of Archive protocol, not law. So, yes, he's been cleared of any wrongdoing.
The real CNN etc. headline should be about how much we the people payed to 'clear Berger of all wrongdoing'
Meanwhile, Bush's new campaign slogan is hilarious 'We've Turned A Corner' yeah, your presidency.
GAH!
Thanks Smarty. And my sincerest apologies. I forgot rule number two, which is read the context of the post, which you should've read, before you make an ass out of yourself by correcting someone else.
Sorry Ralph.
The Democrats have a professional rapid response team?
You trolls make me so mad I could have sex with a box turtle!
Meanwhile, Bush's new campaign slogan is hilarious 'We've Turned A Corner' yeah, your presidency.
Better than "We shat on your future" I suppose.
Wait - does capitalization of a statement, and THEN repeating it make it true?
No. You have to capitalize the statement, then bold it, then put it in italics, THEN repeat it before it becomes true.
Or mention it in the SOTU address.
what's the story about tom ridge? resigning, yeah, but why?
somebody?....
No. You have to capitalize the statement, then bold it, then put it in italics, THEN repeat it before it becomes true.
Yeah right. I'll only believe THAT hogwash if you put it in caps, bold it, and then italicize it, and repeat it AT LEAST 4 times.
Hmmm...looks like the "edwards" troll has a glitch in the works. Anybody for reformatting his hard disc?
monkeywrench: "Meanwhile, Bush's new campaign slogan is hilarious 'We've Turned A Corner"
Yeah... you know what happens when Dubya tries to turn a corner on his mountain bike...
*ooof*... *ouch*... *yow*... *bonk*... *sproing*... *owww*
If 'We've Turned A Corner' , how can we "Stay the course"?
Damn flip-floppers
Today's top stories:
'CNN resists vast left wing conspiracy to clear former Clinton consort Sandy Berger of wrong doing'
'The liberal media continue to underreport sightings of ex-President Ronald Reagan roaming the streets in a white gown and long beard'
I should donate my old chainsaw to W.
He's going to be needing one to clear all that brush at his ranch come January.
It might be worth it to send that raggity assed old Stihl to Crawford. What would happen if a few thousand of them showed up at the gate of the ranch?
Sorry people, despite what that radio station says, he is not totally 'clear' yet -
Archives Denies Report That Berger Is in the Clear
This is what happens when the press gets lazy and starts reporting on what other people are reporting.
OT:
US 2001 Slump May Not Have Been Recession at All
However, the White House has argued that the economy peaked earlier and has contended President Bush inherited the recession from his predecessor, President Bill Clinton.
Now, some might argue there was no recession at all.
I'm not a gambler, so I don't know the proper term, but does this mean Bush only hit the bifecta?
I dunno. If Newsmax is the source casting doubt on the radio station, then I might go back to my in the clear opinion.
Just another modern media moment, where seeing something reported actually makes me believe it LESS...
=)
TWO POINTS- He has not "been cleared of wrongdoing" because he has to be CHARGED with a crime to be considered that.
They are not supposed to say one way or another, the only thing archives people is let you read copies in house.
SMOKE AND MIRRORS>
Berger was smeared- an honorable public servant. He served our security needs. 
Sorry people, despite what that radio station says, he is not totally 'clear' yet -
Archives Denies Report That Berger Is in the Clear
This is what happens when the press gets lazy and starts reporting on what other people are reporting.
kis
Yes, I commented on that half an hour ago. The archives spokesperson refrained from commenting, hardly a condemnation of Berger.
Check the source while you are at it. Newsmax ain't exactly Fair and Balanced.
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0.../30/
ltm.05.html
DARYN KAGAN, CNN ANCHOR: New developments in the Sandy Berger investigation. Former President Clinton's national security adviser had admitted removing classified documents from the National Archives. Officials now tell "The Wall Street Journal" that no original materials are missing. And that nothing Berger reviewed had been withheld from the commission investigating the 9/11 terror attacks.
Sorry people, despite what that radio station says, he is not totally 'clear' yet -
Archives Denies Report That Berger Is in the Clear
This is what happens when the press gets lazy and starts reporting on what other people are reporting.
I thought he was tried, convicted, and sent to Gitmo?
If I'm not mistaken, the point of Gitmo is that you don't have to be tried or convicted to be shipped there.
Ridge makes 175k a year and can't put the kids in school? Jeezy Creezy. I sure wish I had his problems.
Sorry people, despite what that radio station says, he is not totally 'clear' yet -
Archives Denies Report That Berger Is in the Clear
This is what happens when the press gets lazy and starts reporting on what other people are reporting.
Burger = Berger > sorry
Now, some might argue there was no recession at all.
A recession is defined as two consecutive quarters of negative growth in GDP. The Third Quarter of 2000 (under Clinton) saw negative growth, the Fourth Quarter of 2000 (under Clinton) saw positive growth, the First Quarter of 2001 (under Bush) saw negative growth, and the Second Quarter of 2001 (under Bush) saw negative growth.
So, we did indeed experience a recession in 2001 and it was on Chimpy's watch.
kis, would you please stop spamming us with your stupid Newsmax story? We've read it and commented on it already.
Newsmax = owned by Rupert Murdoch = FOX.
Examine the source and flush same down the toilet.
But doesn't he still stand accused of taking copies of classified material, and taking notes on classified material and transporting them to a non-secure location?
Ralph Kramden
Cleared, as in not charged, as in investrigation yielded nothing, as in Berger didn't do anything wrong, as in not guilty, as in innocent, as in wtf.
Ooops - sorry for the repost, all I did was refresh. And you are right, NewsMax isn't the best source. But nobody seems to be reporting anything on it, one way or another.
Ooops - sorry for the repost, all I did was refresh. And you are right, NewsMax isn't the best source. But nobody seems to be reporting anything on it, one way or another.
kis -
Read my comment debunking yours before you triple post.
Has anybody speculated on the fact that this story came up
Shortly after Bush started trying to politicize the management of the archives?
Hehe, Kis. You have to bold, italicize, and capitalize it. It's not getting any truer the way you're doing it.
"We've turned a corner..." which cowboy movie saying will Mike Moore replay for us to see where they get their points?
OT
Does the People for Patt Murray ad disturb anyone else as much as me? The prancy posing president gives me the shivers.
For some reason, every time I look at it, I try to read it as Pretty People or something. I dunno, I gotta get back to work.
Newsmax as the cure to a 'lazy press'? Nah, Newsmax is a symptom.
DARYN KAGAN, CNN ANCHOR: New developments in the Sandy Berger investigation. Former President Clinton's national security adviser had admitted removing classified documents from the National Archives. Officials now tell "The Wall Street Journal" that no original materials are missing. And that nothing Berger reviewed had been withheld from the commission investigating the 9/11 terror attacks.
Anonymous
It sounds like he is still guilty of stealing classified documents. Now why would someone do that? Hmmmmmmmm.
"No. You have to capitalize the statement, then bold it, then put it in italics, THEN repeat it before it becomes true."
Not to be, well...SNARKY, but you have to say it three times:
"Just the place for a Snark!" the Bellman cried, As he landed his crew with care; Supporting each man on the top of the tide By a finger entwined in his hair.
"Just the place for a Snark! I have said it twice: That alone should encourage the crew. Just the place for a Snark! I have said it thrice: What i tell you three times is true."
The Hunting of the Snark, Lewis Carroll
Folks.. the leak said that the Justice Department was doing a criminal investigation into the allegations that he removed documents from the National Archive. We have not yet heard from said Justice Department that the investigation is over, so how can he have been cleared of all wrongdoing, unless the National Archive made the complaint and has the power to withdraw it? This has nothing to do with 'innocent until proven guilty'; the question is whether an investigation is ongoing, and until told otherwise, shouldn't the assumption be that it is?
Well... let's not totally make Berger a martyr here. I'm still a little ticked off that he would stay close to the Kerry campaign with an active investigation going on. Berger knew the neo-cons would eventually leak this mess, and he should have stepped away from the Kerry campaign to keep it clear of controversy.
Sandy Berger did some stuff with docs that wasn't real smart. It wasn't criminal, but he's probably going to have his security clearance affected before all is said and done.
SANDY BERGER IS A FAT, MORONIC TRAITOR WHO LET DOWN OUR COUNTRY -- YOURS AND MINE -- BECAUSE HE WAS TOO CHICKENSHIT TO KILL BIN LADIN.
THAT'S THE TRUTH!!!!
Edwards is a robot.com
-No, that's BULLSHIT.
Sorry, kis, I should have let you catch up.
Loves me some caffeine.
Interesting, but I thought it was gonna be something with Josh's name on it, something about Plame and Scooter being prep-walked out of the White House (preferably during the DNC, which would have be an awesome counter-bitchslap to the arrest of the HVT in Pakistan).
During the RNC would be so, so much better.
And I really don't think that would be buried. The contrast is just too irresistable.
A.
I thought the tectonic story was the July Surprise that ultimately came out in TNR.
Really? the cat and I thought it was about Plamegate.
If it's just july surprise... well, I have to say that's pretty lame. I don't even think the ants would notice that techtonic shift. I want to see blood in the water.
So the Wall Street Journal (RE Berger story) prints rumors and unsubstantiated and anonymous claims?
Well, they did about Clinton, anyway.
Sounds like some people in the know at the Archives are trying to get the truth out while the politicos push the smear like a dog dragging his ass across the shag carpet of the media.
Outside of the documentary "outfoxed", if you really want an education in why and how our media is so manipulated get bittorent and watch Orwell Rolls In His Grave for an education in atrocity. Then go here and give these guys some turkee!
As someone here stated earlier in another thread Don't watch these prescription-drug pushers, deodorant salesmen, and new car dealers. The commercial TV networks have abandoned news for the gutter of 'info-tainment of cnn, msnbc,abc,nbc cbs etc...What is the meaning of democracy when we make our choices based on false or no information?
'
This is what happens when the press gets lazy and starts reporting on what other people are reporting.
kis
Nah, it's what happens when people consider the wingnuttery of Newsmax a legitimate source.
The state GOP paid for a flier critical of the new technology and sent it to some south Florida voters where a primary election is scheduled next month
Reverse, reverse psychology.
Newton Minnow: "No. You have to capitalize the statement, then bold it, then put it in italics, THEN repeat it before it becomes true."
Not to be, well...SNARKY, but you have to say it three times"
I'M A BILLIONAIRE. I'M A BILLIONAIRE. I'M A BILLIONAIRE.
didn't work. shit. oh well.
Well, I *have* read all the articles (apology accepted, refugee). I've just been trying to sort all this out. Just because KYW1060 says something, it doesn't make it the true or complete story.
And certainly, anything that's on NewsMax isn't worth the electrons it's transmitted with.
I've never believed the socks story either, but it's completely plausible to me that Berger, preparing for his testimony before the commision, would review the material he's about to give testimony about. But taking written notes away (and copies of docs) is sloppy and wrong. And I think Berger has admitted as much.
But there's been so much sloppy reporting and wild spinning of this issue, it's hard to know what the truth is.
From the Ridge story:
Ridge, 58, has explained to colleagues that he needs to earn money to comfortably put his two children, Tommy Jr. and Lesley, through college, officials said. Both are now teenagers. Ridge earns $175,700 a year as a Cabinet secretary.
Why can't his kids pull themselves up by their bootstraps like the poor "brown" kids the Repugs are always carping about:
"Study hard and work hard and go to college."
Farking hypocrites.
Really, the whole Berger story is pathetic.
Right, he stole documents that he either wrote or commissioned. Give me a fucking break.
WIngers, get over it.
"This is what happens when the press gets lazy and starts reporting on what other people are reporting."
It is also what happens when headlines misrepresent their stories. The Archives did not dispute the WSJ story. They said the investigation was ongoing but otherwise had no comment
Didn't anyone else just hear that the deficit is going to be even larger than already stated because all of the number are not yet in, including the 28 billion the prez has asked for for Iraq?
If it's just july surprise... well, I have to say that's pretty lame. I don't even think the ants would notice that techtonic shift. I want to see blood in the water.
four legs good
But the TNR story was about Osama being the July surprise. That indeed would have shifted a few fault lines. Then again, my impression could have easily been mistaken.
And, hey - layoff kis. He/she realized that Newsmax was the source for the claim that Berger had not been exonerated and appologized.
End it.
CBS "reviews" the DNC bloggers:
Final line of the article:
Next stop, New York - where the Republicans will also be allowing a selected group of bloggers to cover their convention.
So... Atrios... have you been "selected"?
Now why would someone do that?
Why, to withhold them from the 9/11 Commission, of course!
Oh, wait a minute...
Let me get back to you on that!
Reverse, reverse psychology.
Hecate
...Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me!...
Holden:
I don't have the economic chops to completely comprehend this "non-recession" issue, but here's the first line of that story:
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Not only was the U.S. recession in 2001 the shallowest on record, it may not have been one at all -- at least in the classic sense of two straight quarterly declines, new government data show.
Short story: revision of numbers by the Commerce Department removed a decline in the 2nd quarter of '01.
Seems to me this is one less thing that they can blame on Clinton.
note -- The WSJ post doesn't seem to have any quotes from the Justice Department and implies that only the Archives staff is saying that the docs were all copies. Atrios' link however says that the Justice Department has concluded that nothing is missing, but includes no supporting quotes. so who knows.
But Minnow. Newsmax, that's like, News to the Max!
Who can argue with credibility like that???
The Berger story never made any sense . The documents in question weren't particularly important and nobody ever came up with a plausible nefarious motive for taking them. That was crystal clear from the outset. Incidentally, the current fallback position of claiming that Berger was guilty of sloppiness is similarly bogus because there was no special reason for him to be careful about these particular documents and no nonpartisan reason for getting upset about nominal infractions after the fact.
Sliming highly respected and patriotic people like Sandy Berger for temporary political advantage is pretty low behavior.
Let me get back to you on that!
Philalethes
OK, I'd love to hear the innocent explanation. LMFAO.
"We've Turned the Corner"
Yeah. Except we turned right, and the street is one way in the other direction.
But taking written notes away (and copies of docs) is sloppy and wrong. And I think Berger has admitted as much.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that I DON'T GIVE A FUCK and that it's not important if he took copies and notes home to prepare for his testimony.
And all the winger hand-wringing in the world ain't gonna make me care.
The man should get a medal of honor for his service to this nation, not a bunch of shit from the evil rightwing and our moronic presscorp.
So enough already.
I'm still stuck on the nude archivists upthread. That would put the fear of god into any would-be sock stuffers: Olde Nekkid Librarians
(Not to be confused with Olde Nekkid Libertarians--a fright of an entirely different sort)
OT:
I've been hating the network media whores for years now but their coverage of the convention absolutely cements my complete disdain for these bastards.
I just can't phucking wait to hear them during the RNC. I'm sure they'll have stupid, ignorant, disgusting, slanderous, ridiculous things to say about the Chimp in Charge, his wife, and everyone else involved.
Our mainstream media is DEAD. They are completely worthless. And the 'journalists' who continue to shill for this administration should die and rot in hell.
I am not happy today.
A Kinder, Gentler Democrat
Not.
Just because KYW1060 says something, it doesn't make it the true or complete story.
Ralph Kramden<
The original Berger exonerated story came from the Wall Street Journal. Check it out
Didn't anyone else just hear that the deficit is going to be even larger than already stated because all of the number are not yet in, including the 28 billion the prez has asked for for Iraq?
It's clearly a deficit; it's got a lot of numbers in it.
And now our Justice correspondent Kelli Arena. Kelli.
Thanks Wolf, yes in fact it does not look as though charges will be brought against Sandy Berger at this time. High ranking officials at the Justice Department tell CNN that the original documents thought to have been stolen by Berger have in fact been located.
Why he stole the photocopies by surreptitiously hiding them in his socks and secreting them out of the National Archives is not known at this time. Some say that Mr. Berger did not know that these were mere copies and that stealing and destroying them would not thwart the 9/11 commission's investigation.
Some say that in his desire to help Senator Kerry in his bid for the White House Mr. Berger may not have looked too closely at the documents until he had them out of the Archive.
There remain many questions still swirling around the Justice department as to the potentially nefarious actions of Mr. Berger. Although he has been offically cleared the Justice department is taking a wait and see attitude. Wolf.
Thank you for an excellent report Kelli. Keep us informed on any developments in this strangely suspicious matter.
Now, on to the horrified reactions to the abysmal speech delivered in Boston last night by the most liberal senator in Washington.
Leave No Cabinet Secretary's Child Behind!
Sorry, KIS, but Gary Frazier debunked that NewsMax headline already. (Hell, the NewsMax story debunks the headline they use!)
Sandy's in the clear.
But taking written notes away (and copies of docs) is sloppy and wrong. And I think Berger has admitted as much.
I think EVERYONE'S admitted as much. Is there anyone here who doesn't believe that Berger was at least potentially sloppy and wrong?
Thought not.
cheney_usa...yes, when I heard that Ridge needed to make more than 175K a year to put his kids through college, I wondered if the repukes stopped to ask how people are doing it on a hell of a lot less. They probably have no how idea how silly that sounds to middle and lower income families.
Meanwhile, Bush's new campaign slogan is hilarious 'We've Turned A Corner' yeah, your presidency.
Steep cliffs have corners, too -- right before that long, long drop into oblivion...
Anyone care to report any other remembered atrocities?
I remember Scottie and every other Republican they had on tv intoning that this was an "on-going criminal investigation" over and over in deep, serious, slightly sad voices. Generally as in, "Well, this is an on-going criminal investigation, so I can't commnet any further (now that I've spread shit all over the place)."
Drove me nuts. Surely, now, they'll be willing to answer all those questions that they just "couldn't" answer before...
No they won't.
STILL WAITING PHILALETHES
A recession is defined as two consecutive quarters of negative growth in GDP.
Once upon a time, the word "casualty" was defined as " a military person lost through death, wounds, injury, sickness, internment, or capture or through being missing in action."
The Bush regime chose to re-define the word, in such a way that only those who actually died in the field of battle were counted as casualties.
What words actually mean is irrelevant to these people. They'll distort and twist and manipulate something as simple as the definition of a word, to suit their purposes.
Well, I haven't been cleared of violating National Archive protocol yet either. I have never even been in Washington, but I still feel compelled to turn myself in. I must have done something wrong since I haven't been cleared yet, right? I am so so bad!
John I'll have you know That George W. only uses the finest Thai baby shit in his hair brought to him by baby bro Neil on one of his whore I mean business trips to Thailand.
Philalethes is initiating Operation Ignore Troll. It's sort of like when G.W. Bush first came into offices, and initiated Operation Ignore Al Qaeda.
Limbaugh said the story is inaccurate.
Did I tell you that nice Mr. Rove gave me a Spongebob band-aid for my boo-boo after I fell off my big bike?
BREAKING! Important blog gastrocasy conspiracy news!
London to Remove 'Salami' Subway Posters
LONDON - London transport authorities promised Friday to remove posters warning against eating on the subway that left a bad taste in the mouths of Italian diplomats.
The offending advertisement depicted a man on a subway train surrounded by salami, strings of sausages and Parma hams, above the words "Please don't eat smelly food."
Guido Cerboni, economic affairs chief at the Italian embassy in London, said the poster was "offensive and harmful to Italian products."
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news...t/
salami_spat_1
Gah - Office...what the hell's wrong with me?
STILL WAITING PHILALETHES
wilbur
What is with trolls and not understanding irony?
Jesus fucking Christ, what a dope.
I always thought the story was overblown and 90% bullshit anyway. I mean, seriously, he places some notes into his pocket and that becomes 'stuffing documents into his clothes', which someone further distorts as 'stuffing into his socks'? wtf?
But just because he din't take originals doesn't exonerate him completely. The NewsMax link was admittedly a bad source to use...
its friday ya bastards!!!!!
Jim Harrison...I'm with you. When the story broke, I and many others commented extensively that the story didn't make sense. Why would Berger, knowing the rules about handling classified documents, intentionally take them out of the archive? Why would archive employees, according to the news reports, watch Berger take the documents and not stop him before he left the building? There were gaping holes in the story from the beginning. Why would the Archives turn this over to the Justice Department and then say "oops, everything's here, never mind" before Justice makes any determination? Something ain't right.
Didn't think you had an answer Philalethes. LMFAO!
Wilbur- Are you really as dumb as you are seeming here? Why don't you explain to us why someone would steal copies of documents- yes, that's right, copies.
We'll be waiting.
Fed up - because he's a fat something or other. It was repeated like 8 times above, which has raised it up the truth scale from innuendo to unconfirmed rumor.
But, oh, the irony. How pathetic.
Once more, the classified documents were "Sensitive", which means innocuous at best.
Any winger bringing up classified docs opens up a can of worms because BushCo classifies every piece of paper they can, including toilet paper.
Blow me, bushco.
fed up is on to something that ought to make its way into a TV ad, making points in rapid fire order:
(1) Our Director of Homeland Security quit a $175,000 a year job because he said that you can't send your kids to college on that kind of money.
(2) An annual salary of $175,000 puts you in the top (3?)% in the country.
(3) What do they expect the other (97?)% of the country to do?
(4) Answer: they don't care.
We can do better than this. Vote KerryEdwards.
I hear Jenna and Barbara's weed papers are classified too.
Shhh!
Just up and haven't read whole thread.
I just saw W on teevee delivering a speech. He's skinny and medicated as usual. He said, with a cocky little flip, "..and when yer pickin' a president, results matter." He lives on Mars. In Neverland. I say we send him there soon. Please. Soon. He and Michael could torment each other.
DON'T GIVE A FUCK and that it's not important if he took copies and notes home to prepare for his testimony.
What flg said.
We don't have to sit around and make prim little moues of disapproval to show that we're good little liberals.
This was a smear job of the worst sort and it was obvious from day one. It was leaked by the WH, which first denied even knowing anything about it, and it was leaked just in time to smear Kerry right before the convention. The right played it to the hilt -- to the HILT. They didn't sit around making prim little moues of disapproval over the rush to judgement and essentially make our talking points for us.
Now, after the convention, it turns out to be total bs, but Berger, who served this country honorably, has been smeared in a way that will never completely go away.
Casper Hauser-
Just checked the Dept. of Commerce Bureau of Economic Analysis site. They have indeed revised the second quarter 2001 numbers upwards. They also revised the third quarter 2001 numbers downwards. So there were still two quarters in 2001 in which GDP growth was negative, but they are no longer consecutive quarters.
It strikes me as odd that they are revising numbers that are three years old.
Here are the new figures:
YEAR Q GDP Growth
2001 1 -0.5
2001 2 1.2
2001 3 -1.4
I hear Jenna and Barbara's weed papers are classified too.
I thought they used the Federalist Papers?
I can't wait to call our local right-wing talk show this afternoon, that spent two whole days indicting and disparaging Berger.
Anyone care to report any other remembered atrocities?
Nina Katarina
Hell, why not start at the very beginning with the "Clinton staffers messed up the White House" story? That set the tone for the way these scumbags do business and Completely Nonsensical News follows along - work some baseless allegations into the echo chamber, thrash em around for a week, then rinse and repeat.
Oxycontin Man's stupid-ass listeners probably still think that James Carville took a dump in chimpy's desk drawer or something of that nature.
Accuse big and run. God, I hate these gutless cowards...gurgle...
Meanwhile, Bush's new campaign slogan is hilarious 'We've Turned A Corner' yeah, your presidency.
It should be "We've Been Cornered!"
Wilbur... half of DC had those "secret" douments, dumbass. Copies were all over town. White House. 9/11 Commission. House Intel committee. Senate Intel committee.
Holden - yes yes yes I've read the d*mn WSJ article. I don't see where IT says "cleared of all wrongdoing". Only the KYW1060 story said that.
OT- CSpan has fiscal deficit announcement.
Sliming highly respected and patriotic people like Sandy Berger for temporary political advantage is pretty low behavior.
Jim Harrison
Fucking around with the constitution and then not fucking around with it, and then fucking with it again for temporary political advantage is pretty low behavior.
Timing your warfighting actions for temporary political advantage is pretty low behavior.
Hell, STARTING a war for temporary political advantage is pretty low behavior.
The thing about Berger, that's like coughing without covering your mouth, in comparison.
Front-page on cbsnews.com
W. House Projects Record Deficit
The White House projected Friday that this year's deficit will hit a record $445 billion, further fueling a campaign-season dispute over President Bush's handling of the economy.
White House memo probally said to downplay the Sandy story.
Limbaugh said the story is inaccurate.
so it must be true!
Any winger bringing up classified docs opens up a can of worms because BushCo classifies every piece of paper they can, including toilet paper.
Heh.
Once Kerry is president, and his administration declassifies a lot of it, including, possibly, the Berger stuff, will that make the wingers happy?
Nah. I can hear them now.
Coughing without covering your mouth helps the spread of bacteria, mother nature's bio-terrorist warfare against Amurrica.
But we've begun to strike back. In the wake of Septimber Eliventh, we've begun to chop down trees, and make them into freedom. Now, the economy is strong.
Because of our war against mother nature, Amurrica is safer and stronger.
New Get Your War On, at long last...
this thread is really depressing:
1) The radio station was wrong to say that Berger is completely in the clear without giving any indication where that news comes from. The only reference is to the WSJ, which says that he is in the clear from withholding materail from the 9/11 Commission. No more, no less.
2) Who gives a flying fuck about what newsmax says? The WSJ has a goddmam quote from Susan Cooper. What more do people want? Scot Paltrow is a pretty good journalist, and he ain't just making shit up.
3) Until we hear something more authoritative than what the radio station came up with, all we can assume is that Justice is still looking into the matter. Which essentially means stalling as long as possible before saying "all is clear."
4) Whoever believes that Berger stuffed documents down his pants and socks is seriously in need of help.
If Kerry wins, a whole lot of stuff might see the light of day.
This would seem to provide further incentive to rig a few states (Ohio, Florida and one more ought to do it) so as to put off such a day.
Phoenix Woman: Credit where credit is due: Holden actually debunked the Newsmax screaming headline that had nothing to do with the actual text of the article.
The bottom line: Newsmax is shit. Only Freepers pay attention to it. The rest of us know it is shit.
Zombiebirdhouse should be on the CNN payroll!
Deano - Thanks for the GYWO heads up. I love that comic with all my heart.
Oh wilbur, we're...
He inserted the most highly classified and rare state secrets into his asshole. This is wrong and perverted. He should be punished for treason AND for perversion.
This would seem to provide further incentive to rig a few states (Ohio, Florida and one more ought to do it) so as to put off such a day.
Scathing letters to the editor in the NYT today about this.
To the Editor:
Given the voting machine mishaps in Miami-Dade County ("Lost Record of Vote in '02 Florida Race Raises '04 Concern,'' front page, July 2
, I need to ask to what length does the list of problems have to go before we start talking about fraud, incompetence and election-rigging, and start suing companies and sending people to jail?
Hawley Rising
San Jose, Calif., July 28, 2004
Check out the rest of them, they're good.
Which essentially means stalling as long as possible before saying "all is clear."
Smarty nails it. Look how long this investigation had been being conducted. And for all that, they've got nothing.
Reminds me of another investigation by the rethugs that lasted how long and cost the taxpayers how much money?
It's ironic that the wingers decry higher taxes but say not a word about the millions of dollars that are wasted on stupid stuff. Amazing.
Any fight with Ted Koppel riding along is automatically not that important.
*giggle*
Ben Afflack kicks off Boston Kerry Edwards rally on CSPAN. Beats Hannity senseless with red baton. Says "Justice is served."
If Kerry wins, a whole lot of stuff might see the light of day.
Kerry's going to win. But that won't be enough to do it. He'll be too busy cleaning up after the parade of Elephants.
What I want is control of the House. THEN there'll be a whole lot of investigatin' goin' on.
But I'll bet if the Dems do get that, Bush will hand out a whole load of pardons before he goes.
Anonymous:
Right on. Now you have to explain to your children that the union of man and secret document is on the same legal footing as man and box turtle.
We can't let that happen, godammit!
"It sounds like he is still guilty of stealing classified documents. Now why would someone do that? Hmmmmmmmm."
Berger said he inadvertently removed the classified document which, unknown to him, was mixed up with his own papers and put into his briefcase. Stealing requires intent, which makes a difference. Let me give you an example.
Suppose a President, hypothetically, takes a nation to war on false information. If he knew it was false, he would be lying and subject to impeachment. But, it is entirely possible that he was simply careless, stupid, incompetent, negligent, or reckless.
Of course, in Mr. Berger's case, there is now no question that no harm was done, as all the documents have been accounted for and seen by the 9/11 commission. In the case of the hypothetical president, there would be all that wasted money and needless carnage. Fortunately, it was just a hypothetical.
he must have done *something*
he's guilty until proven innocent. And even then, he's guilty of something, after all he worked for Clinton.
Holden...I don't give credence to any numbers coming out of this administration unless they are confirmed by independent sources. Miserable Failure's administration is absolutely unreliable when reporting statistics on anything. What they don't twist or distort, they just make up, like job projection numbers. In fact, if I see Miserable Failure's lips move and hear words coming out of his mouth, I assume he's lying. Saves a lot of time and aggravation.
Sorry, Wilbur.
Sorry, Wilbur.
OT, from the NY Post:
9/11 MEMO REVEALS ASBESTOS 'COVER-UP'
An Environmental Protection Agency memo claims city and federal officials concealed data that showed lower Manhattan air was clouded with asbestos after the World Trade Center collapse.
And officials sat on the alarming information even as they told the public it was safe to return downtown, the internal memo says.
http://tinyurl.com/3stso
And to think that I'd missed the 6/28 updates to GYWO!
Is this not the funniest joke ever?
Q: What happens at an Iraqi Sovereignty Party?
A:You tell your guests they're in charge, but they can't drink without your permission.
It strikes me as odd that they are revising numbers that are three years old.
Here are the new figures:
YEAR Q GDP Growth
2001 1 -0.5
2001 2 1.2
2001 3 -1.4
Holden Caulfield
Fuzzy math to keep Bushco out of the proven deficit loop prior to 9-11. He took a fucking month's vacation during an extended recession- FACT.
Steve - hahahaha yes! Very funny! But I'm thinking the "Botch Doctrine" is at least an "Honorable Mention"....
Asbestos in NYC after the towers fell? B-b-b-b-but wait Cheneyburton has an asbestos settlement.
Deanocrat -
GYWO -- mad crazy good.
Johnny Vagabond...yep the EPA told cops, firefighters, volunteers and citizens that the air was safe. Now a lot of people have developed various respiratory problems. But, hey, only the little people are getting sick and they would probably vote for Dems anyway.
"Ridge, 58, has explained to colleagues that he needs to earn money to comfortably put his two children, Tommy Jr. and Lesley, through college, officials said. Both are now teenagers. Ridge earns $175,700 a year as a Cabinet secretary."
Oh, come on, Tommy Boy, have you checked in between the seat cushions on the sofa? How 'bout those jars of loose change that the wife's been keeping in the pantry, with her cupcakes? Check the car(s) - I know I find at least three bucks every time I vacuum the floor mats. How about the kids' piggy banks? I mean, can't they help pay for their own educations? And then they could get on-campus jobs, like I did, to help defray the costs.
Please, Tommy Boy, I know you can come up with the extra loot without stopping the great work you've been doing keeping America safe from Terror. Don't abandon us now. If you quit just to make a measly $100 - $200K more, than the terrorists will have won.
It doesn't surprise me that this is the first I've heard of it. And won't surprise me if I dont' see it on CNN, or anywhere else.
Sad that I've come to expect this tho.
This is such a non-story. Rethugs, is this all you got, come on, you can do better than that, what about the story of Kerry being responsible for the deaths of hundreds of soldiers in Iraq, outsourcing all those jobs, selling our economy to the corporate whores, alienating our allies. . .
The difference between taking originals and taking copies is the difference between hiding something and being worried something will be hidden... once that black marker comes out in the Bush Admin, anything can happen...
"What really makes me worry is that we've wasted huge amounts of international goodwill, American blood, and American money invading a powerless country and ignoring the serious threat of jihadist cells scattered all over the world - will we ever get back the initiative we lost?"
becomes
"What [...] me [...] worry [...] ?"
An Environmental Protection Agency memo claims city and federal officials concealed data that showed lower Manhattan air was clouded with asbestos after the World Trade Center collapse.
And officials sat on the alarming information even as they told the public it was safe to return downtown, the internal memo says.
OK, granted its the NY Post, but if this story gets traction...
...Welcome to New York Bush...And here's a big FUCK YOU from its citizens.
Yes, peaceniks, greens, firemen and longshorman marching together.
A beautiful thing.
I think EVERYONE'S admitted as much. Is there anyone here who doesn't believe that Berger was at least potentially sloppy and wrong?
I still don't give a flying fuck.
he must have done *something*
Hell, we're all guilty of something. If that's the standard why is there anyone left in Washington unindicted?
In the great scheme of things Sandy Berger looking at copies of memos and reports that he either wrote or commissioned is a NADA issue. WIngers, either get over it or just do us all a favor and fucking off yourselves.
Speaking of mad-crazy-good, Steve Bell is on form today
Ya know, it occurs to me that there's a problem with your post Atrios... it begins...
So, I've been watching CNN for a couple of hours...
Really, after their shitty coverage the last four days, not to mention the past four years, why bother?
commie, that's to "comfortably put his two children through college."
Translation: to pay out of state ivy league tuition out the wazoo without sacrificing a new boat or car or house or anything, because that's not what Republicans do.
Jesus. My parents put pennies in a jar for 18 years and I worked on-campus jobs. But no, $175,000 isn't sufficient. Asshead.
A.
Josh's tectonic story is on intelligence/niger forgery - not on TNR story. I guess we will just have to stay tuned.
Watching this morning's Kerry/Edwards rally on CSPAN right now.
Kerry obviously doesn't have a clock ticking on him this time, but I think I like his "slightly rushed" delivery last night a little more. Kerry seems like he has a little more animated when he speeds up his delivery a bit.
But, hey, only the little people are getting sick and they would probably vote for Dems anyway.
exactly. it'll be interesting to see if this gets any play.
"Ridge, 58, has explained to colleagues that he needs to earn money to comfortably put his two children, Tommy Jr. and Lesley, through college, officials said. Both are now teenagers. Ridge earns $175,700 a year as a Cabinet secretary."
Thry should join the ROTC and then ship out to Iraq, right Mr. Ridge?
(typo) ...seems like he is a little more...
Now that this thread's gone meta, I feel no shame at all in repeating that I'm nothing short of depressed about the troll situation here.
We didn't even get properly trolled once. One of them even pulled the "Joe Wilson Lied" thing.
It's like hiring a bunch of smelly old vagrants for your child's birthday party, claiming they're clowns.
It's just so sad.
It sounds like he is still guilty of stealing classified documents. Now why would someone do that? Hmmmmmmmm.
Why don't you tell us and present the evidence to support your allegations, wilbur, you cowardly traitor.
Josh's tectonic story is on intelligence/niger forgery - not on TNR story. I guess we will just have to stay tuned.
Josh Marshall is a cocktease.
Ridge's lament that he can't put two kids through college on 175K a year is like George H.W. Bush staring at the bar code scanner and asking."What's that?" It just reveals how out of touch these people are.
INSTY:
HERE'S A REPORT that Sandy Berger has been cleared of all wrongdoing. But here's another report [in which the national archives spokeswoman refuses to comment on the first report]. Which is true? Beats me. Stay tuned [and later we'll discuss an NYT report in which they claim that John Kerry's tie was blue, followed by a Newsmax report in which they claim his shoes were brown].
posted at 02:58 PM by Glenn Reynolds
"Sorry, Wilbur.
Mr. Ed"
Hey, you stole my shtick.
Jesus. My parents put pennies in a jar for 18 years and I worked on-campus jobs. But no, $175,000 isn't sufficient. Asshead.
A.
Athenae
Yeah, but that was back when a penny bought you a seven-course meal at the Seville, two tickets to the matinee and a box of popcorn.
When do they come out with the new budget defict numbers? They were scheduled to come out on July 15th.
Wilbur's just another MBF dickhead.
Treat him accordingly.
That's it. To be on the safe side, all further ventures into the National Archives will have to be done in the nude.
You know, for security reasons.
John | Email | Homepage | 07.30.04 - 2:29 pm | #
No! That's what the terrorists want us to enact! If nude, traitors simply copy sensitive information onto their sensitive areas by tattoo. And, you know Arabic lettering? Them funny squiggles--not the straight-up American letters regular people use? From a distance, it looks exactly like body hair!
Fuzzy math to keep Bushco out of the proven deficit loop prior to 9-11. He took a fucking month's vacation during an extended recession- FACT.
Mr.Murder
Here is the press release regarding the revised GDP numbers for 2001. GDP growth for the second quarter of 2001 was changed from -0.6 percent to + 1.2 percent.
While technically the revised numbers indicate no recesssion that year, if you dig deeper you realize that the revisions are not necessarily a good thing for the Chimpster:
The average annual rate of growth of real disposable personal income from 2000 to 2003 was revised from 2.7 percent to 2.4 percent.
National income was revised down $1.4 billion, or less than 0.1 percent, for 2001; was revised down $65.4 billion, or 0.7 percent, for 2002; and was revised down $28.2 billion, or 0.3 percent, for 2003.
Personal income was revised up $11.0 billion, or 0.1 percent, for 2001; was revised down $31.4 billion, or 0.4 percent, for 2002; and was revised down $46.2 billion, or 0.5 percent, for 2003.
"What words actually mean is irrelevant to these people. They'll distort and twist and manipulate something as simple as the definition of a word, to suit their purposes."
Ah, the tyranny of language. You're either with us or you're with the language:
`When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.'
`The question is,' said Alice, `whether you can make words mean so many different things.'
`The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, `which is to be master - - that's all.'
(Through the Looking Glass , Chapter 6)
Last time I check being sloppy and wrong were not crimes, hell if being wrong was a crime we're all going to jail.
"commie, that's to "comfortably put his two children through college."
Translation: to pay out of state ivy league tuition out the wazoo without sacrificing a new boat or car or house or anything, because that's not what Republicans do.
Jesus. My parents put pennies in a jar for 18 years and I worked on-campus jobs. But no, $175,000 isn't sufficient. Asshead.
A.
Athenae"
Some say that Tom Ridge is just another greedy fucking Republican who is deserting an obviously sinking ship before any more damage is done to his ability to earn top dollar as a paid political hack or special interest whore. But I think...hold on a second, there's breaking news...Secretary Ridge is warning of a potential terrorist attack on his master bedroom's toilet and is asking for Congress to approve a $50,000 remodel of his bathroom for security purposes.
OT: closing of a Reuters article on the NATO almost-but-not-quite agreement on training the Iraqi police.
"Diplomats saw the issue (who the NATO commander reports to) as one of political symbolism more than military security. Some said Paris was keen to avoid handing Washington any international support on Iraq that could enhance President Bush's chances of reelection."
tee hee.
(Hmmm, Our old buddy Some Said works both sides of the street, & probably drives a taxi as well.)
Berger should sue someone's ass off.
I am glad the convention was over with no hitch and all praise. Terry McAuliffe takes a lot of abuse, evn from some of us here, but he deserves lot of credit. He planned and executed the whole primary season quite well; primary debates went well; the convention was fabulous. And he raised tons of money.
He really deserves lot of credit.
Yea, he comes off badly on TV, is given to hyperbole, etc, but still...
Our old buddy Some Said
That dude's everywhere.
Ridge's lament that he can't put two kids through college on 175K a year
This is just the newst form of the "I-resigned-to-spend-more-time-with-my-family" excuse. Rats leaving the sinking ship, trying to do so as quietly as possible.
FWIW, I think Tom Ridge knows a) Bush is going down and b) his job is essentially a laughingstock. His biggest accomplishment is, what, the color alert system? He's mocked for that and appearing on TV crying wolf. I think he knows he's a tool, and that his appointment was done only to make Bush Inc look like it was actually doing something about terrorism. I think Tom's spinning this as a variant of "Spending More Time with the Family."
O poor Ridge only pulling down $175+k can't afford to put his brats thru college. Whadda damn shame. I'm cryin'. Somebody get me a rope.
I swear I'm telling the truth - my inside source at TPM (Josh's intern who I helped out at the race track, but don't tell anyone, o.k.?) tells me that her boss is getting a little strange lately, and will reveal to the world that Col. Mustard did it with a candlestick.
She is looking for a new job, btw.
Anyone know where I can find a breakdown of Kerry vs Bush and what they stand for? I need something to show this repub. asshole I work with. I am looking for something that shows where they stand on the issues. Thanks.
www.johnkerry.com
I still don't give a flying fuck.
Oh, neither do I, really. There hasn't been a plausible case made that anything he did affected anything in any way that matters. You could make a case he negatively affected a perception of Kerry campaign among people who think Bush is the greatest president ever, but that's not hard to do.
The simple fact is that if there had been info that reflected badly on Kerry, BushCo would've leaked it. But if they didn't leak it, Berger couldn't have covered it up by stealing photocopies. And if he wanted to get info to Kerry, all he had to do was write new notes from memory upon leaving the Archives. Or alternatively, Kerry could've gone and read the goddamn things himself. His security clearance is more than high enough for that, I believe.
I'm really wondering when the wingnuts will notice that Berger was carrying secrets out IN HIS HEAD...secrets that as 4legs says, he either wrote or commissioned. Make him give his head back to the Archives! Get a vacuum hose and suck them out of his skull...America's future is at stake.
Meanwhile, a few billion $$$ go missing in Iraq, and 27 criminal investigations are underway into misuse of taxpayer funds. But as long as none of our money went into anyone's socks...who cares, right?
`When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.'
Hey, I quoted that in a debate about whether Bush was imperial.
I think Tom's spinning this as a variant of "Spending More Time with the Family."
John
Wonder when his book slamming Bush comes out.
This is just the newst form of the "I-resigned-to-spend-more-time-with-my-family" excuse. Rats leaving the sinking ship, trying to do so as quietly as possible.
Hecate, you beat me to it.
Handwritin's on the wall. Bush is done.
"The right played it to the hilt -- to the HILT. They didn't sit around making prim little moues of disapproval over the rush to judgement and essentially make our talking points for us."
That's the spirit! Big John showed the way. Take no prisoners. Don't bring a knife to a gunfight.
New liberal attitude calls for new bumper sticker:
"Trample the weak. Hurdle the dead."
Holden, Making age jokes isn't nice.
especially when Atheeneraneener is younger than me.
Atrios - You may want to pull this up into a post.
Letter from David Brock to CNN (7.29.04)
July 29, 2004
Kenneth Tucker
CNN Producer
Dear Kenneth,
I am writing to you today regarding L. Brent Bozell's Live From... interview with anchor Miles O'Brien on July 27.
Although I am concerned that O'Brien did not inform CNN viewers that Bozell, like the organization that he runs, is staunchly conservative, I am more interested in the issue of CNN providing comparable air time to groups with different views on the media than those of Bozell. One of the reasons that conservatives dominate the debate over the politics of the media in our country is that, all too often, organizations like Bozell's are given the stage to themselves while progressives are sidelined.
Unlike your cable competition, I will be the first to recognize CNN's largely successful attempts at presenting both sides of an issue. But this effort should extend to media watch dog groups as well. Bozell's Media Research Center, according to the Washington Post (6/28/04) has raised $2.8 million to counter what he sees as a liberal jihad against President Bush.
I would request that my organization, Media Matters for America -- a progressive, Web-based, not-for-profit research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the media -- be given equal air time, beginning with CNN's coverage of the Republican National Convention.
I look forward to hearing from you on this matter. I thank you for your time.
Sincerely,
David Brock
President and CEO
Media Matters for America
Posted to the web on Friday July 30, 2004 at 3:31 PM EST
Contact:
CNN CNN
One CNN Center, Box 105366, Atlanta, GA 30303-5366
Phone: 404-827-1500
Fax: 404-827-1906
What's up with that picture of Bush on the top right sidebar?
Looks like he's got a glow stick or something up his ass.
9/11 MEMO REVEALS ASBESTOS 'COVER-UP'
Holy crap. Is there anything they won't lie about? Seriously, they could've just said, "sorry NYers, the terrorists made it unsafe to breathe down there, stay home a few more days" or until we get you some masks, and people would have understood. Oh, but that might've costed somebody, somewhere, some money!
Ridge's new book "ORANGE!: Terror in Full Color" should be out by the time AG Spitzer indicts the Bush Crew for their crimes.
Alternative Title: "Orange you glad to see me?: My life pushing paper and scaring the crap out of everyone"
And a tip o' the hat to Hecate, faster fingers and all. 
OK, I'd love to hear the innocent explanation.
Wow. I mean ... wow.
He really didn't get it.
Amazing.
Now CSPAN is showing a Bush rally.
More people at the Kerry rally.
Atmosphere of the Bush rally? think Pig Calling Contest.
You guys are all missing the point. Sandy Berger was secretly photographic classified documents with the bionic eye that was implanted in his head by the Clenis.
Um, "photographing."
STILL WAITING PHILALETHES
It's just so sad.
Seriously, they could've just said, "sorry NYers, the terrorists made it unsafe to breathe down there, stay home a few more days" or until we get you some masks, and people would have understood.
Sadly T.O., I think they were much more interested in covering their asses than worrying about the people of New York. They could say they didn't want to further panic people. Um, duck tape and plastic ring a bell? Color-coded threat levels?
Obama speech, alternate version:
"...More to do for the father I met who was losing his job and choking back tears, wondering how he would pay $4,500 a month for the drugs his son needs without the health benefits that he counted on. More to do for the Homeland Security Secretary in Washington, D.C., and thousands more like him, whose children have the grades, have the drive, have the will, but have a father who doesn't have the money to send them to college..."
When I was little, my favourite joke was
Knock Knock
Who's there?
Banana.
Banana who?
Knock Knock
Who's there?
Banana.
Banana who?
Knock Knock
Who's there?
Orange.
Orange who?
Orange you glad I didn't say banana?
Come on, you smiled.
there needs to be an investigation to find out why berger was cleared of all wrongdoing.
I swear I'm telling the truth - my inside source at TPM (Josh's intern who I helped out at the race track, but don't tell anyone, o.k.?) tells me that her boss is getting a little strange lately, and will reveal to the world that Col. Mustard did it with a candlestick.
Col. Mustard fucked a candlestick?!?!
Alert the media! this is even racier than turtle porn!
gee, and a day after the convention...
isnt that sometin...?
Watch for Tom Tomorrow on The Daily Show tonight:
Personal note: I met Stephen Colbert from the Daily Show on the floor Thursday morning, and took part in one of the skits he set up. Nothing big, I'm just standing there pretending to have a conversation with someone for a second, but if it ends up on the show, then the whole week will be justified after all.
Mmmm, that Berger really filled me up. What's for dessert?
To all you losers complaining about how $175,000 is a lot of money and why can't he afford to send his kids to college with that, I have one word for you all:
Prozac!
so, anyone care to speculate on why Ridge is REALLY leaving?
Grand Moff-
It is sad. I think they should kill themselves in shame, don't you?
so, anyone care to speculate on why Ridge is REALLY leaving?
justaquestion
No.
I don't give a fuck about that either.
FLG,
you too funny! In fact, maybe I'll marry a candlestick! Or Col. Mustard!
Holden, where's that obsession?
>so, anyone care to speculate on why Ridge is REALLY leaving?
He's a tool and he knows it.
He knows Bush is going down.
No one takes him seriously at the White House after his warnings fail to keep the public afraid or press interested.
He knows something terrible is coming and wants to get out of Dodge before it hits.
Yo, Atrios - how about some more convention stories of minor interest as promised. I'm not finished living vicariously.
smarty,
I'm here all week.
Don't forget to tip your waitress and slap the trolls.
I would truly love to see Brock at the Republican convention sitting in Tucker Carlson's chair.
Duncan locked Holden out again. So no gaggle
Holden, where's that obsession?
four legs good
I need to score a transcript.
I'm waiting for my man...
Come on, you smiled.
GOB
We're in no mood to be amused.
Atrios must have gone into a coma watching CNN.
smarty jones:
That's bullshit, It was Ms Scarlet in the billiard room with the lead pipe.
Maybe we'll get to see Young Hans at the RepubCon too. He looks good in that brown shirt, don't ya think?
What? CNN, willing thralls of the Corporate Uberlords? Obedient lackies of Grand Chancellor Palpatine? A group of snivelling Wormtails ever so eager to serve They-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named? Hesitant to report that Berger has been cleared? Say it isn't so!!!
Gary Frazier | Email | Homepage | 07.30.04 - 2:15 pm | #
bhee hee huh hee hee hee. sorry, i just had to see that again.
Is it just me, or do the two clowns in the Patty Murray ad seem to be demonstrating some of their favorite ..ahem.. techniques?
where can i find the tom ridge story, please????
What is your favorite memory of a president? How old were you and which president was it?
I saw President Bush when he was campaigning in Everett, Washington in 2000. I was 15 years old at the time. I was inspired by his speech that day to dream of an even greater America.
it's Toby Petzhold!
Poor Hans must have been devastated that Bono was at the DNC and gave them permission to use Beautiful Day.
shy
Just go to Google News and type in "Tom Ridge"
Okay, let me get this straight...
Tom Ridge has to quit because he can't put his two kids through school, even though he's pulling down $175 thou a year. My parents made barely a fifth of that and nevertheless managed to put two sons through school (with the help of us working at the time and scholarship money). Now, granted, collge tuition is outrageous these days, and I doubt Ridge's kids would be content with schools like the University of Florida or the University of North Alabama. But still, come on...
Maybe Tom needs to cut out the extra cheese he gets on his daily Big Mac. Yeesh.
Knock Knock
Who's there?
Orange.
Orange who?
Oh, Ridge says why isn't the door I knock-knocked duct-taped?
Come on, you smiled.
GOB | Email | Homepage | 07.30.04 - 4:14 pm | #
Unfortunately, I don't have any specific funny knock-knock punchline information to share with you at this time.
i just think it's kind of suspiscious that a democrat would be cleared of all wrongdoing. they are the terrorist loving party after all. i bet it was some activist judge that cleared him. we need a special prosecutor.
What about President George W. Bush’s leadership inspires you?
President George W. Bush is a man for our time. I will never forget his speech atop the pile of rubble at Ground Zero after September 11. Each president has a defining moment, and that was his I think. President Bush has been firm and resolute in his execution of the war on terror, and he has united Americans behind simple patriotic values in the process. America is a better country with George W. Bush at the helm. His voice is reassuring and the moral strength and policy expertise of his administration is perhaps unparalleled in American history. President Bush is able to speak in simple ways that touch young and old alike. For a young person like me, President Bush is a constant reminder that America is still the land of the free and the home of the brave
Young Hans sounds suspiciously like Jenna and NotJenna.
Duncan locked Holden out again. So no gaggle
GOB
My impression is that Atrios is not too concerned about locking the door behind him. Without ever meeting or even corresponding directly with me he said, "Hey, want to post while I'm on vacation for a couple of weeks?"
Anyway, he's back home again and I'm more than happy to turn the stage back over to its rightful owner.
In today's news, Sandy Berger was convicted of working for Bill Clinton several years and sentenced to life at 'Gitmo.
++++++
That's bullshit, It was Ms Scarlet in the billiard room with the lead pipe.
krsaz
krsaz,
as I said, Josh is clearly getting a little weird these days...
Why can't I find confirmation on this Sandy Berger story?
"Maybe we'll get to see Young Hans at the RepubCon too. He looks good in that brown shirt, don't ya think?
A Hermit"
Wow - talk about drinking the Kool-Aid:
"What about President George W. Bush’s leadership inspires you?
President George W. Bush is a man for our time. I will never forget his speech atop the pile of rubble at Ground Zero after September 11. Each president has a defining moment, and that was his I think. President Bush has been firm and resolute in his execution of the war on terror, and he has united Americans behind simple patriotic values in the process. America is a better country with George W. Bush at the helm. His voice is reassuring and the moral strength and policy expertise of his administration is perhaps unparalleled in American history. President Bush is able to speak in simple ways that touch young and old alike. For a young person like me, President Bush is a constant reminder that America is still the land of the free and the home of the brave."
Firm and resolute, uniter, simple values, simple ways, moral strength, reassuring voice.
Well, he got the "simple" part right.
A journalist friend suggests that we contact these editors and ask them to publish the latest Berger story.
She gave a lot more email ids.
The list will come in handy for not only this story, but for future reference too.
Some Top editors:
ward.bushee@arizonarepublic.com
dave.neibergall@arizonarepublic.com
ken.western@ArizonaRepublic.com
howard.schneider@newsday.com
james.klurfeld@newsday.com
richard.galant@newsday.com
tim.knight@newsday.com
john.carroll@latimes.com
ctc-editor@tribune.com
chavez@denverpost.com
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other papers
san francisco chronicle
bwallace@sfchronicle.com
dsteinberg@sfchronicle.com
NYTIMES:
Meperl@nytimes.com
public@nytimes.com
executive-editor@nytimes.com
managing-editor@nytimes.com
nytnews@nytimes.com
publisher@nytimes.com.
aschneider@nytimes.com
asiegal@nytimes.com
Washington Post
Rinehartv@washpost.com
Walshb@washpost.com
Fergusona@washpost.com
Truongd@washpost.com
Kurtzh@washpost.com
ombudsman@washpost.com
diehlj@washpost.com
milloyc@washpost.com
araoa@washpost.com
humesj@washpost.com
Foe President Bush is a constant reminder that I never had Saudi oil money to bail me out when I cheneyed things up.
Sadly T.O., I think they were much more interested in covering their asses than worrying about the people of New York.
Yeah. But that thing about "stay at home a few more days"...it's surprising how few people who weren't living in NYC understand that the smoke was pouring out for about two solid MONTHS.
I actually got stuck driving past Ground Zero one night about two weeks after 9/11...the clouds of smoke, and the stench, were INDESCRIBABLY bad. I had to wash all my clothes and take a shower to get the smell out. But before and after, the plumes were huge and continuous...Brooklyn Heights and thereabouts got the worst of it most days, but it shifted around with the wind, of course.
What we were dealing with there, in addition to asbestos (and I think this is a case where they're focusing on one problem to distract from others), was literally--I repeat, literally--TONS of volatilized heavy metals (mainly lead and mercury). In the case of lead, I believe the estimate was 250,000 tons' worth. In addition, when you incinerate chlorinated aromatic hydrocarbons (i.e., solvents or other compounds that contain a benzene ring and chlorine), you end up forming dioxins, which are considered by the EPA to be about as toxic as it gets.
I was once caught in a rather small cloud of smoke from PCB combustion...the authorities took all my clothes for "testing," gave me no test results, and tried to get me to accept a cash settlement in return for giving up any right to sue (which I didn't do). Comparing the dioxin cloud I encountered with the one at the WTC is like comparing a campfire to Hiroshima. Environmentally speaking, the WTC collapse probably rivaled Chernobyl as a disaster that'll have persistent health consequences.
Holden, you're too modest.
I know you've said you're happier commenting, and as fond as I am of pie and Tena and aetheneenerneenera,
You Kick Ass. You could easily carry your own blog, and i don't think anyone here thinks any differently. Atrios recognized, thus the invite.
Why can't I find confirmation on this Sandy Berger story?
notice this news was broken on a friday...just in time for the saturday papers which no one reads. of course the tv and radio stations will shun it...he's not guilty so there's no story.
slightly OT, but given the length of this thread, I don't suppose anyone will object too strenuously. I had to go into town awhile ago and both the Denver Post and the Rocky Mountain News have huge - half-page - photos of Big John with very nice headlines. I didn't buy a paper, so all I can report on is the front pages that I saw in the boxes.
Oh we are so going to win!
Poor Hans must have been devastated that Bono was at the DNC and gave them permission to use Beautiful Day.
That was a great moment, hearing Beautiful Day playing...
Wonder what the rethugs will play, a bunch of crap for some has been country western hack?
CNN's website is reporting that "blasts" have rocked the U.S. and Israeli embassies in Uzbekistan.
Thanks to the pretzeldent, who has refused to condemn Sharon's outrageous actions.
Wonder what the rethugs will play, a bunch of crap for some has been country western hack?
Yep, my bet is on Toby Keith.
Wonder what the rethugs will play, a bunch of crap for some has been country western hack?
four legs good
Tim Mcgraw singing the classic country western hit:
"I lying on my back with tears in my ears, crying over you"
so, anyone care to speculate on why Ridge is REALLY leaving?
Maybe he was in Sandy Berger's pants. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Shy, gone to Google News for you - here's CNN on the Ridge story
Yep, my bet is on Toby Keith.
Britney Spears.
Check out the new bar graph of the latest Zogby poll at PollingReport.
Kerry leads Bush among all voters, among men, among women, in the East, in the South, and in the West. The only group of voters who give Bush an edge are those in the Midwest.
I have to get this off my chest about cbs...
last night while max cleland was delivering his wonderful speech...cbs had this idiot on describing the route kerry was about to take getting to the podium and what he was carrying in one of his pockets...blah, blah, blah...all the while the crowd was cheering cleland's remarks...and this while abc and nbc WERE carrying the cleland speech. what a miserable performance for the one time tiffany network...and later after kerry's spectacular performance, bob schiffer comes on with his pablum...saying nothing we didn't already know...adding nothing, observing nothing and caring nothing. bah balderdash...bring on cspan.
Britney Spears.
pie
Oh, the fundies will just love that.
Holden - the back door Atrios opened for me (and it's the same one y'all have been using) has been open since February. He is always very casual about subbing, and he appreciates someone jumping in when it really seems necessary.
You have done a fantastic job, Holden. Everyone loves ya.
I went by CNN earlier, and every friggin story on the home page was about Bush. It's disgusting. It's dishonest. We can't give up or relent on these bastards until they're all hunted down like the dogs that they are.
Now, watch this oh shit, Tree [SLAM]
Holden:
This is too early for the convention polling bump isn't it?
If these are the numbers before the convention, HA. Landslider.
I should donate my old chainsaw to W.
He's going to be needing one to clear all that brush at his ranch come January.
It might be worth it to send that raggity assed old Stihl to Crawford. What would happen if a few thousand of them showed up at the gate of the ranch?
Barndog
better yet, when you get a RNC solicitation, affix the postage paid return envelope to it, maybe with a little note tucked inside along te lines of "sorry I can't help right now, the aWol economy hasn't been as good for me as you promised, but here's a little something to keep the chimp busy come Jan 21"
Newton Minnow: "No. You have to capitalize the statement, then bold it, then put it in italics, THEN repeat it before it becomes true."
Not to be, well...SNARKY, but you have to say it three times"
I'M A BILLIONAIRE. I'M A BILLIONAIRE. I'M A BILLIONAIRE.
didn't work. shit. oh well.
bannedmann
no wonder, you forgot the italics and bold tags
Fed up - because he's a fat something or other. It was repeated like 8 times above, which has raised it up the truth scale from innuendo to unconfirmed rumor.
Red State Refugee
and hovering just below "fact-esque"
Erm, I think we need another thread at this point for the Tom Ridge story. This is getting just a little out of hand...
URGENT OT: CNN is reporting that Bush has been cleared of all brain waves.
Yep, my bet is on Toby Keith.
Wouldn't count on it. Ol' Toby's not so gung-ho about Iraq anymore.
I'd say 'Okie from Muskogee.'
capn dunsel...after the election ridge will have no choice will he? I mean considering the inevitable outcome of the election. it's like a man telling his boss "you can't fire me, I quit."
four legs good,
a beautiful moment for me last night was when John Kerry, future president of The United States of America, called out the Saudi Royal family. It was beautiful! (And don't think for a moment that Kerry doesn't know the shit about the Saudi's after his BCCI investigation.)
I also really loved Cleland's tribute... I knew that would be awesome.
BTW, flg, how many more days do we give Holden to get a blog before we give him an eight-legged ass stomping? Aren't you from MO, too? We could meet up on the road to Austin. Also, we should steal Holden's Shiner Bock supply before we come back.
Wouldn't count on it. Ol' Toby's not so gung-ho about Iraq anymore.
What? Another defection? I thought his take was that bloodshed in I Rak' was better'n barbeque.
Holden:
This is too early for the convention polling bump isn't it?
If these are the numbers before the convention, HA. Landslider.
krsaz
New poll, 7/26-7/29, concurrent with the convention.
But damn good numbers for Big John.
Things to do while waiting for new thread...
Go read the Anna Deavere Smith piece in today's Times. Sorry, too lazy to do all the magical codespeak - just go to nytimes.com and look at the editorial/op-ed page. Well worth reading.
Oh dear, those WPost e-mail addresses are laughably wrong. Most listed are copy editors, not assignment editors.
And anyone in the biz knows how much power copy editors wield .
CNN's website is reporting that "blasts" have rocked the U.S. and Israeli embassies in Uzbekistan.
Well, we know it's not an "act of terrorism." Or even two.
Because Dubya is keeping us safe from those. Yessireebob.
As someone who's been a fan of country music since he was a wee little heathern, I must defend Toby Kieth...somewhat. Yeah, he did that rancid "Ugly American" tune, but when asked recently about Iraq (back in March, I think), he said - and I'm paraphrasing here - "A lot of things don't add up. There's no WMD's, so I'm wondering why we went."
His wasn't the worst country song to come out of the War on Terror (and Common Sense). Nor, quite frankly, was Darryl Worley's idiotic "Have You Forgotten", which directly says we're fighting in Iraq because we were attacked on 9/11. And, frankly, it wasn't Charlie Daniels' incredibly racist "This Ain't No Rag, It's A Flag". No, the worst came from Clint Black, a guy who made two really good albums when he first started back in the '90s. It's title: "Iraq And I Roll". No, Clint, you sing and that's it. Singers aren't badasses, sorry.
Why was it the worst? Because it sucked, that's why. Crappy crafty, shitty production, idiotic lyrics and poor overall performance. A clear-cut example of a guy who's trying to buy one extra minute on the merry-go-round.
But, beyond that...Toby Kieth sucks long and hard. Some of the worst shit the Nashvegas hit machine has ever produce has spewed forth from his mouth.
I was inspired by his speech that day to dream of an even greater America.
Yeah, me too.
I thought, "Jesus Christ, we're supposed to be the greatest country on earth. We've GOT to be able to do better than this miserable, sad-sack piece of shit."
Yes indeed, brethren, when I first saw Chimpus incoherentus stand on his hind legs and deliver himself of a series of rambling, treacly platitudes so wooden and hollow that they'd make a cat laugh, I couldn't help but dream of a greater America...one in which a thousand-time loser -- whose personal and professional incompetence was matched only by his dishonesty, pettiness and lust for cocaine -- wouldn't be trusted to deliver the mail in a town with only one house.
And you know, I still believe in that dream today.
Interesting list of media contacts there. Those would be all the people who will be able to make sure it's not spelled "Burger."
Is Newsmax a rightwing news source
"I would truly love to see Brock at the Republican convention sitting in Tucker Carlson's chair."
I would truly love to see Brock at the Republican convention sitting on Tucker Carlson's face.
Speaking of terrorism, Pervez Musharraf's new whipping boy Shaukat Aziz almost bought it today:
A suicide bomber blew himself up next to a car carrying Pakistan's prime minister-designate Friday, getting close enough to kill his driver and at least four other people, and spraying shrapnel into a crowd of supporters gathered to hear the politician.
I was inspired by his speech that day to dream of an even greater America.
Funny that most of the rest of us have been having one long nightmare. I think the kid's taking something.
Zogby Poll numbers are before the convention started and defintely before either Edwards or Kerry speeches
pie - Britney - nah. I'm with the Toby Keith crowd. Keith is just so "Nascar Dad." Or so the simple minded Repukes think.
thelogie-
thanks, i read it and appreciate your assistance!! didnt come up when i googled it.
I would truly love to see Brock at the Republican convention sitting on Tucker Carlson's face.
Alright David, I change my vote
I'd say 'Okie from Muskogee.'
grr | Email | Homepage | 07.30.04 - 4:38 pm | #
Ya mean Merle Haggard? I wouldn't bet on it. For one, the Hag doesn't care to be used by politicians. I've interviewed him before, and he says that particular song wasn't so much his views at the time as it was from what he felt his dad's point of view was.
Beyond that, Merle told me - and this was just before the war started - that while he supports the President as the leader of the country, he has serious doubts about the current CiC's truthfullness and ability. For more evidence, check out the lead-off single to his latest album Like Never Before. It's called "That's The News", and basically blasts the mainstream media directly and the administration indirectly for more or less moving on after "Mission Accomplished", even though kids are still fighting and dying in Iraq.
The Hag's a complicated cat and a bit of a conspiracy theorist (and a regular guest of Art Bell). He's all about America being the greatest country in the world, but also thinks we don't always live up to that promise.
TOM RIDGE IS G-D!!!
ATRIOS -- I MEAN DUNCAN BLACK -- IS ONE UGLY TROLL!!!!
If these are the numbers before the convention, HA. Landslider.
krsaz
Zogby had a new poll out that Kerry went from 48-46 over Bush to 48-43 during the first three days of the convention. Bush lost support to the undecided column. I think that after Kerry's mojo last night, Zogby would probably find about a 49 or 50 Kerry to a 40 to 41 Bush.
I think Kerry's support is very firm, and all he will need to do is get just a decent amount of undecideds. Look for a possible blowout!
40 by November 2, bitches!
Treason by November 2, bitches!
krsaz, you're wrong.
Friday afternoon! Nobody better git between me and my box turtle!
I'd say 'Okie from Muskogee.'
grr
I hope you're not trying to tell me that Merle Haggard would DREAM of shilling for Bush. Merle stood up against Bush long, long ago...in fact, he said in front of a somewhat surprised audience that he wanted to punch Ashcroft's lights out well before the war even started. He also wrote a very effective anti-Bush, anti-Iraq War song. And defended the Dixie Chicks, to boot.
He's a great man and a great songwriter...heck, even Phil Ochs admired "Okie." And definitely on our side at this point!
""I would truly love to see Brock at the Republican convention sitting in Tucker Carlson's chair."
I would truly love to see Brock at the Republican convention sitting on Tucker Carlson's face.
David Ehrenstein"
David, you dog. At least it would shut the Fucker up.
But, Tena, Britney luvs the boy-king.
I can't wait until the convention. Can you imagine what the comments here are going to be? Four days of hilarity.
hee hee.
It might be worth it to send that raggity assed old Stihl to Crawford. What would happen if a few thousand of them showed up at the gate of the ranch?
Barndog
better yet, when you get a RNC solicitation, affix the postage paid return envelope to it
oooh, I just noticed that there's a little note on the envelope asking you to use your own stamp, since it'll save them some much needed funds. probably be best to remove some of that superflous safety gear that those folks on the right are always carping about, and save them a few cents on postage in the bargain. he's pretty skilled with a chainsaw so I bet he hates that crap, too.
oops, sorry!
I didn't realize Polling Report was the Zogby poll!
Me bad horsey!
On Crossfire, Fucker Carlson is even smarmier and more offensive than usual. He's already stated that there's something "homoerotic" about how the Democratic Party claims that Kerry is a bigger man than Bush.
Maybe he's still hacked off about getting his ass kicked by John Cusack, MTV man, Mo Rocca, Barbara Boxer, and Larry King last night.
I heard the maintenance man then won an argument with him about foreign policy.
George Will with half the intellect and twice the obnoxiousness.
MSGOP did focus groups with icky Republican pollster Frank Luntz and even he could not hide the bad news.
Bush has lost half his republican support and all of the independents (well all but one nut) They think Bush duped them and changed his agenda once elected -especially women. (that's why they are hiding man hands)
These groups were in Southern Ohio and if Bush is losing it there --he is losing it everywhere
And people know who Kerry is and liked him despite the punditry.
On the Berger story it seems Newsmax is a more credible source then the WSJ. Main stream media to Wall Street Journal stuff a sock in it.
Merle Haggard rules.
How you can tell that Bush has lost already?
The Democrats have more generals now than the Republicans.
Who'd a ever thunk that?
I've always wondered what it is about trolls and the caps-lock thing. The only thing I can figure out is that the trolls have to have something that looks like elementary school cursive writing to be able to read.
Zogby Poll numbers are before the convention started and defintely before either Edwards or Kerry speeches
Anonymous
Nope. Poll conducted July 26-29, according to PollingReport.com.
Philalethes,
I've seen the Hag about eight times, and he's only done "Okie" twice. Both times were serious redneck-heavy crowds. The last time was last Fourth of July at Stone Mountain. Scary crowd. I'd say about 75% of 'em had those "Confederate Outfitters" shirts on and most of the younger crowd had buzzcuts shorter than my bro's high-tight-and-sides home 'do. The few longhairs were old bikers, and just before Merle did "The Running Kind" he asked how many ex-cons were in the audience. Well over half the guys - and quite a few of the women - applauded. My bro and I were both stoned as shit, so it was quite freaky.
Awesome show, though. Merle Haggard is the Honky-Tonk Avatar, and walks out on the stage like he knows he's the baddest mother in the joint. Personal favorite annecdote: during the interview with him, I jokingly asked if he ever got around to smoking pot, in reference to the line in "Okie" ("We don't smoke marijuana in Muskogee/We don't take our trips on LSD"). He said, "Son, Muskogee is the only place I didn't smoke it back then."
"Ridge's lament that he can't put two kids through college on 175K a year"
Loser. My father sent two kids to an Ivy school on 54K a year (OK, we were both National Merit Scholars, but still.) Perhaps the good Secretary expects to pay extra in bribes because his kids aren't exactly Lake Wobegon material.
More seriously, I think he's bailing before Kerry implements his threat to block the revolving door between the gov't. and industry.
On the Berger story it seems Newsmax is a more credible source then the WSJ. Main stream media to Wall Street Journal stuff a sock in it.
Katherine Graham Cracker
what?
>I would truly love to see Brock at the Republican convention sitting on Tucker Carlson's face.
Well, Tucker would be talking out of someone else's ass for a change.
Ya beat me to it, Backslider. And I'm sure your more nuanced version is closer to accurate. Forgot about that conspiracy stuff...reminds me that, yeah, he was flogging the "chemtrails" phenomenon for a while. (Though he might be onto something there anyhow...maybe not in the Art Belll sense, but speaking as someone who drives across country often, I have seen some strange things up there.)
Point is, he's not gonna whore himself at the RNC for Bush. Not a chance.
Maybe they can get Britny, so long as they restrain that one GOP gal who threatened to blow her head off.
So, I've been watching CNN for a couple of hours and at least as far as I've seen they haven't yet mentioned that Sandy Berger was "cleared of all wrongdoing."
It never ceases to amaze just how wrong you guys get everything. Quite sad really.
Speaking of Man Hands, where have they been hiding her rotten carcass, anyway?
TUCKER CARLSON IS G-D!!!
ATRIOS -- I MEAN, THAT SOROS-FINANCED LOSER DUNCAN BLACK -- NOW THERE'S A SMARMY SCUMBAG, ALONG WITH HIS LAPDOGS SMARTY JONES, PHILALETHES, KGC, PIE, HOLDEN....
THIS SITE BLOWS.
YOU GUYS ARE ABOUT 1/10 AS SMART AS YGLESIAS AND 1/50 AS TOTTEN OR TIM BLAIR.
I participate in the Zogby poll and mine arrived on the 28th so before the speeches anyway
I think of it as before anything at the convention would have changed anyone's mind.
But technically your are correct.
My bad.
You know, it makes me wonder how the GOP is going to stage-manage the convention, and whether they can sweep the haters under the rug. One of the most disastrous moments from the last 15 years or so of Republican politics is when the GOP '92 convention let Pat Buchanan near a mic to give the "culture war" speech. It gave Molly Ivins her best zinger ever: "I liked it best in the original German."
I FEEL LIKE YELLING TODAY, TOO!
Athenae, Tena, Holden, somebody, post something. Please. My box turtle has gone about a quarter mile in the time it's taking Atios to put somethin' new up.
The media is so corrupt.
Philalethes,
I've seen the Hag about eight times, and he's only done "Okie" twice.
I saw him do it one time, outside San Francisco. He had a couple long-hairs in the band, so he sang "We DO wear our hair all long and shaggy..." and started laughing. Very good-natured.
Amazing guitarist too, in my book. Totally underrated as a lead player.
Philalethes,
Man, he's a riot. During the interview he got off on a riff about chemtrails and the HAARP project that was borderline paranoia. He says he's about half convinced "they" are watching his house up on Mount Shasta. I was doing my damnedest not to giggle, not only because the Hag's an all-time favorite, but also because he carries himself with quite a bit of "don't fuck with me, boy" prescence. Sweetheart of a guy, though. Even did "Make-Up And Faded Blue Jeans" at the show on my request!
Ya mean Merle Haggard? I wouldn't bet on it. For one, the Hag doesn't care to be used by politicians...
Interesting...In that case, I want to change my vote. Still don't think it'd be Keith, and while Britney might seem like an obvious choice, the sluttiness factor is too great.
Understanding how much they love to live in the past, I'm saying Ricky Martin with Larry King reprising his role of Press-whore-running-on-stage-to-hug-Bush.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT
NOISES, LOUD NOISES
Hey wait a minute. I feeling,I'm feeling, just a second..... I could have sworn I was a feeling a little Joementum there for a minute. But no.
Anonymous, what is it we've gotten wrong?
smarty j - while I love and adore Vitamin P, and it only costs 3 bucks under my insurance plan, I'm thinking it doesn't replace a good income, personal wealth, etc. Maybe that's why my wife won't let me quit my job (through which we are insured) so I can become a photographer (okay, she actually will let me quit, but I have to vacuum the house more often).
PS--Yes, I get the allusion.
Jeebus, why can't we get real trolls anymore, instead of this spambot? What is this world coming to? Cheap S.O.B.'s in the RNC. *snort*
Totten? The hell does that mean? And isn't there an "o" in "god"?
Philalethes,
You got that right. Merle rips on guitar. Waylon Jennings did, too. And, yes, both times he did "Okie", everyone in my section of the audience turned around and looked at me when he hit the "We don't grow our hair long and shaggy" line.
I was 15 years old at the time. I was inspired by his speech that day to dream of an even greater America.
it's Toby Petzhold!
Couldn't be ol' Toby. The speaker is way too old...
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Josh today:
It's certainly true that Mr. Kerry said certain things in his war protestor days that can now be used against him with some audiences. But until he was well into middle-age President Bush's most noteworthy public utterances seem to have been limited to various invocations and inflections of 'par-TAY' and reciting the alphabet under legal compulsion.
I asked my local NBC affiliate why they weren't running the Berger correction and the sent me a NewsMax article with a quote from the same woman at the archives saying they cannot comment on an open investigation. ... saying the WSJ had it all wrong.
So they are saying the Journal is less credible than Newsmax.
Chauncey, you cad!
TUCKER CARLSON IS G-D!!!
Maybe it's the Cabernet talking, but I'm guessing this isn't the Hebrew aversion to spelling out the name of the supreme being; rather you're saying Tucker is God Damned. Right?
ATRIOS -- I MEAN, THAT SOROS-FINANCED LOSER DUNCAN BLACK -- NOW THERE'S A SMARMY SCUMBAG, ALONG WITH HIS LAPDOGS SMARTY JONES, PHILALETHES, KGC, PIE, HOLDEN....
Hey, if I'm a lapdog, does that make me entitled to some of this Soros money? I promise to use it to destroy America!
On second thought, never mind. I just remembered that I absolutely HATE Soros for sinking millions of dollars into anti-Communist groups in Eastern Europe. As an "Enemy of Freedom," I'll never forgive him for standing up to the Red Menace.
The most important person to issue a correction is Jay Leno, who spun the story out for days and days. Besides, studies show many people get their attitudes, if not their entire fill of news, from the talk shows.
You know it's all over for Bush when the trolls start putting cute little fake e-mail addresses in their posts.
grr,
The old masters were always pretty hardcore about not being used as playthings for politicos. Even after Reagan pardoned the Hag for his prison time, he refused to play fundraisers for ol' Ronnie. He also turned down an invitation to play for Nixon at the White House. Speaking of Nixon, he tried to get Johnny Cash to do a song called "Welfare Cadillac". The Man In Black, feeling the song made fun of poor people, told Tricky Dick where to go.
Sigh, the troll is back from nap time. This one ain't even old enough for the driver permit query.
Dammit, I wanted to make the list of lapdogs.
I feel so unloved!
when I heard that Ridge needed to make more than 175K a year to put his kids through college
And he's got the best quality healthcare and I bet lots more nice perks for being that high up in the White House corporation. I wonder what his golden parachute looks like?
On the bright side, when Kerry wins his
CNN claims that aWol's new campaign slogan is:
We have turned a corner and we are not turning back!
Can anyone enlighten me as to what that means? I learned English as a second language so perhaps it has a positive spin I just can't comprehend.
Help?
Holden, no gaggle today?
I'll be your lapdog, Duncan.
Pantpantpantpantpant.....
RSR,
My turtle's got a sister. Want her to come over?
I just saw a clip of chimperor today saying "My opponent has good intentions, but intentions do not always translate to results."
He went on to say "sometimes, my evil intentions don't work out too well, either."
Red State Refugee,
patience, you must have patience.
Jesus, Atrios, I hope you're not STILL holding your breath on this...
412 posts and no end in sight!
krsaz, you're wrong.
Ronjazz
Ronjazz, you're sloppy.
Holden, no gaggle today?
pie
Can't find a transcript if there was one. However, I put up a new thread as this one has grown a bit long in the tooth.
The old masters were always pretty hardcore about not being used as playthings for politicos.
Don't forget though that Minnie Pearl was dragged out for every George Wallace campaign in the old days.
We have turned a corner and we are not turning back!
Can anyone enlighten me as to what that means? I learned English as a second language so perhaps it has a positive spin I just can't comprehend.
Help?
chica toxica
That slogan, for some reason, reminds me of an old Yogi Berra quote:
When you come to a fork in the road, take it.
so the berger story is not being run because the rightwing media put out an alternative --so no one isdoing anything
"We have turned a corner and we are not turning back!"
Frighteningly, do you think that somebody is trying to get out of being compared to Herbert Hoover? You know, 'Prosperity is just around the corner'???
Chauncy Gardner,
Anti-semite.
your time will come.
Joe.
We have turned a corner and we are not turning back!
It means how can you be in two places at once when you're really nowhere at all.
I ripped that from the Firesign Theater.
Oops, you said old masters. Nevermind.
We have turned a corner and we are not turning back!
Wrong corner. Wrong direction. But, by God, we're going there anyway.
That can't be what they've come up with.
the gop can always depend on the professional whore lee greenwood if they need some crappy song. i'm sure he will be at the convention if he isn't dead.
During the interview he got off on a riff about chemtrails and the HAARP project that was borderline paranoia.
You know, this is probably a bit too TF for all y'all...but that HAARP Project really IS bad news. I know the more wild suggestions about it--controlling the weather, broadcasting "voices" directly into people's heads, and so forth--but the fact is, the stuff they ADMIT they're doing sounds pretty goddamn dangerous to me. In fact, even just the local environmental effects are bad news.
As for the chemtrails...well, when I was a couple months old, they were spraying NYC and SF with bacteria, just in order to see what kind of coverage they could get in a bioattack. They used "harmless" bacteria, apparently. (Good article on this in Scientific American, possibly available on their site...otherwise, I've got the issue info somewheres). Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if some of the stuff people are seeing is the result of similar sorts of tests.
So I think they're both areas of interest, at least...but the Bell people have taken that and run pretty far...seems to have a lot of traction with rural libertarian types, especially. Kind of like the "Montana guillotine warehouses" do with the fundies...
Why did JFK choose a U2 song for his close last night?
Aren't there any American songs he could have chosen? I mean, he ain't running for the Presidency of Ireland.
Just a question.
Did the troll just call Chauncy Gardner an anti-semite for making fun of Joe-mentum? Or did I miss something.
Because if that's what happened, I really need to commence to die laughing right now.
CAN I STOP YELLING NOW?
It might be worth it to send that raggity assed old Stihl to Crawford. What would happen if a few thousand of them showed up at the gate of the ranch?
Heh, heh, I think the gates at Bush's Crawford ranch on November 3rd is going to look like the "4400" when they got put back on earth wondering around lost. Except it will be in reverse, with all their mystical powers being removed trying to ask dear leader, "what happened?" Dear leader will tell them to all go fuck off, he doesn't need them anymore, anyway, I got a case of Jack and Condi waiting for me.
Backslider - In Dallas, the 10:00 news is always accompanied by 5000 truck commercials. I have thought that if I had to hear Toby Keith sing: "I'm a Ford tough man," one more time I was going to kick the TV in. What an ass - major ass.
Jesus, Atrios, I hope you're not STILL holding your breath on this...
412 posts and no end in sight!
MisterX
hmmm, maybe he was the one standing on the balloon tripwire last night and is getting smacked around by Terry McAuliffe
Philalethes,
Oh, I ain't saying that HAARP and chemtrails aren't worth investigating, mind you. Considering our government's history of dosing the populace with nasty shit to see what happens, I have no problem believing every word of it. The Hag was just so insistent about it. That's about all he really wanted to talk about, that and whipping Mike Curb's ass and how cool Lefty Frizzel was. I'm definately with him on those two points.
Tena,
Don't blame ya. Alan Jackson covered the old nugget "Mercury Blues" (also covered by David Lindley on the excellent El Rayo-X album) and did a pretty decent job. Then, he turned around and made an ad out of it for Ford. "Crazy 'bout a Ford truck." I almost went Elvis on my tv a couple times.
What happend to the Meryl Streep thread?
Why did JFK choose a U2 song for his close last night?
Aren't there any American songs he could have chosen? I mean, he ain't running for the Presidency of Ireland.
Yeah, and why did Dubya have the popo platter with extra egg roll for dinner last night? He's not running for premier of China's Communist Party. And what's with Cheney's pacemaker? I hear it's made with Asian circuitry.
Sheez -- only a genuine troll can claim that the Dem convention wasn't "American enough" last night.
Joe McGinty
"Anacreon in Heaven" may sound a bit familar for an English drinking song.
America is diverse and sometimes open minded.
If no one else is going to say it: Grand Moff Texan's Steve Carell reference was brilliant.
you sure that isn't "in-bedded?"
Ooh, also: The REAL reason Ridge is resigning after the election is because Kerry will replace him.
And also, no one seems to be talking about this so maybe I am late to the party - but Al Sharpton made me forget Tawana Brawley this week. THIS cracker respects you Al, if you care.
BUSH RESIGNS IMMEDIATELY
BUSH RESIGNS IMMEDIATELY
BUSH RESIGNS IMMEDIATELY
Just in case.
U2 is in love with America. They have opened their heart to America and America has opened her heart to U2.
"U2 is in love with America. They have opened their heart to America and America has opened her heart to U2.
Anonymous"
Hey - have those guys found what they're looking for yet?
'Cause I've got some growing in my backyard, if ya know what I mean.
When the media report that Sandy Berger has been exonerated, they fail to mention that his boss Bill Clinton was too busy getting oral sex to defend the country from terrorists.
"Ridge, 58, has explained to colleagues that he needs to earn money to comfortably put his two children, Tommy Jr. and Lesley, through college, officials said. Both are now teenagers. Ridge earns $175,700 a year as a Cabinet secretary."
My parents paid for three bachelor's and two master's degrees, and paid off a mortgage, and never drove a car more than five years old ... on half that amount.
Methinks Mr. and Mrs. Ridge are in need of a course in household budgeting.
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so, another one scheduled to bite the dust due to "family reasons"...do we have a nice, comprehensive list of all the 1st & 2nd teir Bush Admin officials who have suddenly resigned for "family reasons"? they sure must have A LOT of family values up there on The Hill!
"Ridge, 58, has explained to colleagues that he needs to earn money to comfortably put his two children, Tommy Jr. and Lesley, through college, officials said. Both are now teenagers. Ridge earns $175,700 a year as a Cabinet secretary. "
mean piegrrrrl, shhhhh! :-(
>I'm still stuck on the nude archivists upthread. That would put the fear of god into any would-be sock stuffers: Olde Nekkid Librarians.
Methinks Mr. and Mrs. Ridge are in need of a course in household budgeting.
Methinks the entire fucking GOP is in need of a course in budgeting.
Unless Nedra is being sarcastic, Nedra is an idiot who really needs to get informed of the FACTS. Go read the 911 Commission's final report, for starters. And remember WHO was on "watch" for 8 months prior to the 911 attacks. Finally, GET OVER the blowjob you envious thing! Damn, you RWWs must NEVER get any, the way you just can't let go!
I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but it is incorrect to say that Sandy Berger has been "cleared of all wrongdoing" - he has not. Removing even copies of classified documents without authorization is a serious offense that can get you thrown in jail for many years. What has been effectively put to rest are the accusations of the wing-nuts that he was somehow trying to hide information from the 9/11 commission.
Regardless of the outcome, however, Berger will never hold another position requiring a security clearance.
Removing even copies of classified documents without authorization is a serious offense that can get you thrown in jail for many years.
Um, are you a lawyer? Is Sandy Berger a spy? Did he have clearance?
Who wrote the documents?
Pretty serious charges there, Denny.
Why hasn't Berger been charged with anything?
Yeah, I thought so.
Denny - I hope you're on the Plame prosecution team.
MERV GRIFFEN!
MERV GRIFFEN!
MERV GRIFFEN!
"Ridge, 58, has explained to colleagues that he needs to earn money to comfortably put his two children, Tommy Jr. and Lesley, through college, officials said. Both are now teenagers. Ridge earns $175,700 a year as a Cabinet secretary."
My parents paid for three bachelor's and two master's degrees, and paid off a mortgage, and never drove a car more than five years old ... on half that amount.
Methinks Mr. and Mrs. Ridge are in need of a course in household budgeting.
@#$%^&*( HALOSCAN!!!!
About the comment on the WashPost emails:
First, let me explain what how this list came about--I attempted to post a longer list on atrios earlier today but continue to be blocked by a firewall, apparently, while at work. So I forwarded the list for posting so that those who really wanted to make some noise now could get started.
Second, the names are hardly the definitive list of movers and shakers. It wasn't intended to be. It was compiled to reach many of the regular folks in newsrooms as a way of generating some noise. Nothing, and I mean nothing, scares newspaper editors as much as what looks like a groundswell of complaints about coverage. Guess what? When editors and reporters start hearing from lots of people, senior editors think they've messed up. But senior editors often have their emails screened and thus don't necessarily see what people have to say.
Assigning editors and reporters are absolutely not the only people who
determine what gets into the paper. Copy editors and news desk editors at most papers write the headlines, photo captions, do the final editing of stories, and determine how stories are played.
The idea of providing the email names was to generate noise in newsrooms, a subtle or not so subtle way of saying, hey! how come your paper didn't print X? Or how did you let Y bias get into print? They are the ones working tonight, putting together the paper, rounding out coverage from the wires, asking the assigning editors or reporters about missing angles to stories, and thus are in the position
to say, wait a minute, maybe we missed this.
This is no small thing. It is a truism of newspapers that copy editors represent the last line of defense, the last chance to give the readers the best coverage the paper can provide, and eliminate the bias, before the paper is delivered to readers.
And given the complaints I read on this site everyday about newspaper coverage, anything that will help journalists pay attention, stiffen the spine, understand what the complaints are about coverage, is a good thing.
Believe me, news desk people--and some of them are copy desk chiefs--have a great deal to say about what readers actually read.
By no means is this a complete list. But no one ever said it was. It's just a start.
follow up? say he was clearered? but but but that isn't in the retardican speaking points?
How is it a "born again" Christian doesn't attend church? Could it all be a front to get the moron vote?
"Um, are you a lawyer? Is Sandy Berger a spy? Did he have clearance?
Who wrote the documents?
Pretty serious charges there, Denny.
Why hasn't Berger been charged with anything?
Yeah, I thought so."
Pie,
You should learn to keep quiet when you don't know what you are talking about. I'm not a lawer, but As someone who has held a US security clearance for about 15 years now, I know exactly what they drill into you regarding the handling of classified material.
First, it's all classified, even copies. Second, no, Sandy Berger is not a spy - did I say that? Didn't think so. Next, Did he have a clearance - he had to have in order to even be allowed to see the documents. Last, It doesn't matter who wrote the documents - they are classified.
I did not make the charges, it is the whole basis for the investigation, and the penalty is a statement of fact - it does not mean that even if he is charged with mishandling classified materials that he will do any time, it is just a possibility - unlikely in my estimation, but nevertheless, it is there.
Why hasn't he been charged with anything - the original investigation is still ongoing the only thing that was revealed today was that no original documents were removed or lost - as far as the charge of misshandling documents goes, that issue was a sideline and was only germaine to wing-nuts trying to score political points.
I don't see anything in the link.... can someboy help me out. I see all the top stories, but no Berger.
Oh, and by the way, if the thing you do with classified material more serious than the terror speculations Berger glanced at happens to be giving it to a foreign state's embassy, you get rewarded with a pay raise and tenure. Ask Dougie Feith.
(Notice: Giving classified material to foreign countries other than USrael will probably not result in this. Thee are foreign countries and then there are foreign countries.)
He hasn't been cleared -- the report was false.
"The investigation continues. It's irrelevant whether or not there are originals missing. What matters is that removing classified documents without authorization is illegal," a government official said.
The reason you aren't seeing corrections is that Berger hasn't been cleared. Removing the documents was a serious violation - whether or not any docs were destroyed is utterly irrelevant. If a non-celebrity pulled what Berger pulled, it would be a minimum of 20 years in federal prison.
He's not been cleared.
"The investigation continues. It's irrelevant whether or not there are originals missing. What matters is that removing classified documents without authorization is illegal," a government official said.
The reason you aren't seeing corrections is that Berger hasn't been cleared. Removing the documents was a serious violation - whether or not any docs were destroyed is utterly irrelevant. If a non-celebrity pulled what Berger pulled, it would be a minimum of 20 years in federal prison.
He's not been cleared.
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