I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Got to love the way Fox just segued from the big "n" for nuclear word about the terror alerts to Lori Hacking.
Maybe Bin Laden killed her.
frist!
Frist?
ANyone think we have some Plame indictments coming out on the heels of this conveniently times terror alert
OT already
I do not wish this kind of October surprise:
George W's daddy GHB dies of, say heart attack. Week of mourning (and suspension of campaigning) followed by massive funeral ceremony. Various "citizen's organizations" would demand that further campaigning would be stopped. House of Saud would honour dear friend by lowering oil prize. And then two days before election Osama bin Laden got caught...
These terror alerts have SOOOO jumped the shark.
As somebody who works in the Citigroup building in NYC, I can now add the fact that the administration played politics with my own life as another reason to do what I can to remove them all from power.
Fearless prediction:
The Rethugs, Bloomberg in NY with Washington's backing, will cancel any protest permits they have issued already and ban protestors from the RNC convention due to increased terrorist threats.
What will we do then?
I for one will be in NYC protesting the policies of the Bush maladministration come hell or high water.
Let them make me a political prisoner.
MC
Are there any web sites that track the frequency/degree of these terror alerts? They seem to be coming every other week now. I would be interested to see if there are any patterns to these announcements.
Once again Howard Dean says what we all are thinking. Just now on CNN, said it's awfully strange that these terror alerts get elevated whenever something goes bad for the president.
boom-baby!
Once again Howard Dean says what we all are thinking. Just now on CNN, said it's awfully strange that these terror alerts get elevated whenever something goes bad for the president.
boom-baby!
all hail Geroge Double-ewe Bush, for his bold, turgid, throbbing and purple leadership has given us the ability to detect that invading Iraq hasn't actually drained the swamp.
But, but, there's a flood watch for DC too!
Run away, run away!
Tom Ridge is doing a superb job!
Ah, the electoral advantage of the incumbent. They thought Clinton knew how to use it, but this is a whole new plateau.
OT: Arizona Daily Star: Bush camp solicits Star staffer's race
President Bush's re-election campaign insisted on knowing the race of an Arizona Daily Star journalist assigned to photograph Vice President Dick Cheney.
The Star refused to provide the information.
Cheney is scheduled to appear at a rally this afternoon at the Pima County Fairgrounds.
A rally organizer for the Bush-Cheney re-election campaign asked Teri Hayt, the Star's managing editor, to disclose the journalist's race on Friday. After Hayt refused, the organizer called back and said the journalist probably would be allowed to photograph the vice president.
"It was such an outrageous request, I was personally insulted," Hayt said later.
The result of "offensive intelligence"? He should have inserted the word offensive between "president's" and "leadership."
Speaking of intelligence (or the lack thereof) ... I'm guessing this is old news, but I just read this:
A few months ago, President Bush paid tribute to women fighting for global human rights and political reform. During his speech, he praised the work of Fathi Jahmi, saying:
"Earlier today, the Libyan government released Fathi Jahmi. She's a local government official who was imprisoned in 2002 for advocating free speech and
democracy."
Well, it turns out Fathi Jahmi is a man!
Read on: http://pnuthouse.blogspot.com
The result of "offensive intelligence"? He should have inserted the word offensive between "president's" and "leadership."
Speaking of intelligence (or the lack thereof) ... I'm guessing this is old news, but I just read this:
A few months ago, President Bush paid tribute to women fighting for global human rights and political reform. During his speech, he praised the work of Fathi Jahmi, saying:
"Earlier today, the Libyan government released Fathi Jahmi. She's a local government official who was imprisoned in 2002 for advocating free speech and
democracy."
Well, it turns out Fathi Jahmi is a man!
Read on: http://pnuthouse.blogspot.com
With both the Plame indictments and the Defense Policy Board's Abu Graib investigation (Rummy is implicated) due in about two weeks, expect the terra alert to go to red soon.
And, yeah, Atrios, I caught the blatant politicking on the public dime in Ridge's presser. It sounded like an endorsement speech.
ABCNews Noted Now picks up this swack by Dean from his CNN Late Edition appearance today:
Howard Dean, on CNN, sighted possible politics at play: "I'm concerned that every times something happens that is not good for President Bush, he plays his trump card, which is terrorism. His whole campaign is based on the notiion that 'I can keep you safe, therefore at times of difficulty for America stick with me,' and then out comes Tom Ridge."
hehe...go get 'em Howard!
And more subtlely:
"Though of course just because we know where but not precisely when, that does not mean that we cannot take pre-emptive action."
Dwight: Poppy Bush is not Reagan. There's no way there's a week of mourning and nonstop press adulation when he dies, any more than there will be for Ford or Carter.
There are plenty of better things to polish your tinfoil for.
Does anyone know what the circumstances would be for the alert to be at green or blue level ?
Right after Chimp gets elected, will that be the only time it goes to blue ?
Sorry for the dual posts!
I'm racking my brain trying to figure out why the Bush camp would insist on knowing a reporter's race.
Why?
George W's daddy GHB dies of, say heart attack.
Damn! Guess GHWB better watch his back. No more skydiving until after the election! Wouldn't want to encounter a parachute that fails to open...
CBS evening news did not mention the flawed 'baby bounce' poll.
If you issue enough of these there will be one which happens to fall on a day when a real terrorist incident happens. Then everyone will forget the twenty false alarms which came before.
I think they've got someone who writes a horoscope column doing these.
Politics, not much more.
I heard there is something on the Bush military records coming out --
I think we will be getting a new color for the alert monkeyass red
But we must understand that the kind of information available to us today is the result of the president's leadership in the war against terror...
I think Tom read the cue cards wrong. He should have said:
But we must understand that the reason we continue to have these stupid terror alerts is because of George's non-leadership leading up to 9/11. And his subsequent *leadership* has only increased the threat.
Gee, Tom's leaving after all. You think he could have gotten it right for a change.
Tom, why are you leaving again?
I'm racking my brain trying to figure out why the Bush camp would insist on knowing a reporter's race.
Why?
Because they're paranoid, scared old rich white men who've lived their entire lives in gated communities?
"......the result of offensive intelligence........"
I'd say there's been a lot of offensive intelligence over the last couple of years!
Does anyone know what the circumstances would be for the alert to be at green or blue level
Green as we know is a terrorist color, and I think those implications are clear. The blue is a very sad time with few terrorist attacks.
I think this is connected to the baby food!
I'm racking my brain trying to figure out why the Bush camp would insist on knowing a reporter's race.
Why?
Because they're paranoid, scared old rich white men who've lived their entire lives in gated communities?
Does this mean Bush won't go to Newark to show that he's with the citizens of New Jersey after the orange alert?
Or is it not enough of a swing state to get his interest?
Well, a conservative I know suggested today that the new terror threats are political devices by Bush! So if this is an administration strategy it may be backfiring.
And if this is an administration strategy may they rot in whatever hell they believe in; I have a loved one working in the NY financial industry.
You didn't quote Ridge's next line:
"So therefore the fact that we had more terrorist actions than ever last year is due to President Bush's stalwart resolve rather than his being a failure as he has been at everything he's ever done in his life."
does "offensive intelligence" translate to "torturing anyone we can get our hands on"?
The Chimp fellators claim
That he's spoiled the terrorists' aim.
So it's only right,
If they make a strike,
That the Chimpster get the blame.
CBS says this latest terra alert comes from the capture in Pakistan that was timed to coincide with the end of the Democratic convention:
Sources tell CBS News Correspondent Bob Orr the information analyzed over the past 36 hours comes from documents seized in Pakistan following the recent arrest of a "second or third tier al Qaeda operative."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/
2...ain633064.shtml
Dwight: Poppy Bush can't die until 2010, which is the year the dread "Death Tax" goes to zero. The way the law is now structured, it reverts to pre-43 levels in 2011, but if 43 wins a second term, he'll be out there campaigning against an egregious "Death Tax Increase" sometime in 2006. If 43 goes into richly deserved retirement on 1/20/05, the Secret Service detail guarding 41 is going to be mighty nervous in the last months of 2010....
Polish the tinfoil for that!
Dwight: Poppy Bush can't die until 2010, which is the year the dread "Death Tax" goes to zero. The way the law is now structured, it reverts to pre-43 levels in 2011, but if 43 wins a second term, he'll be out there campaigning against an egregious "Death Tax Increase" sometime in 2006. If 43 goes into richly deserved retirement on 1/20/05, the Secret Service detail guarding 41 is going to be mighty nervous in the last months of 2010....
Polish the tinfoil for that!
The reason they want to know the photographer's race (small correction to the above question) is that they assume that people who are not of the dominant European settler culture are hostile to them, and may try to publish a picture of Chimpy picking his nose or castigating a servant.
As for Ridge's praise of the subhuman primate in the midst of his terror alert, I notice he didn't mention anything about the fabulous intelligence they had gained by invading Iraq. Or by cutting the capital gains tax.
Damn Haloscan!
Mayor of NYC said the reports are full of detailed research BUT they have no idea of when the research was done or when anything is planned for....and that this is the current standards under which busines is conducted in NYC..in other words.
MORE CRAP FROM BUSH
This is such bullshit. Unbelievable.
Richard Clarke just criticized Ridge on ABC news for bringing politics into his announcement. However he said that the threat is real.
He called the fact that the threat was timed near the Dem Convention "the only coincidence".
I'm not sure how to interpret that remark.
Does Richard Clarke have access to the latest intelligence? Is one of his buddies leaking sensitive intelligence?
What about this one:
FBI issues terrorist warning for Southwest
Thursday, July 29, 2004 - 7:00:43 PM PST
The FBI issued a warning Thursday for Los Angeles and the Southwest about possible terrorist attacks, but local officials said the threat was vague so they were taking no specific action.
...
The FBI warning was directed to officials in Los Angeles, as well as California and New Mexico, about a possible terrorist attack, said Laura Eimiller of the FBI's Los Angeles office.
The warning had no specifics and wasn't meant for public consumption, but rather for other law enforcement agencies, she said.
http://www.dailynews.com/Stories/
0,1413,200~20954~2303026,00.html
Tom Ridge is planning to quit his job in January 2005 so that he can take a job in the private sector in order to make ends meet.
Homeland Security is our NUMBER ONE PRIORITY, and the head of Homeland Security is out JOB HUNTING ???
Hey Mr. Ridge: Step Down NOW; We've got a HOMELAND to PROTECT.
This just in, a senior White House official has informed CNN about a "non specific" threat against Western targets involving an invisible army of deadly robot ninjas armed with shirukens and katana blades. Stay tuned to CNN as this story develops, the most trusted name in news.
Wow, they are REALLY afraid of recent poll numbers showing how low Bush is. The lower the numbers go, the higher they will elevate the threat level. Fear is their only weapon; I don't believe a word of it. Not a word.
Does anybody else suspect that they are not just playing politics with the 'lerts, but may be trying to influence the stock market? Having the power to move the market up or (mostly) down just by saying shit, one could make a pretty penny with just a few well-placed positions.
After all, it's truly the "smash-and-grab" presidency...
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Does anybody in their right minds really believe that just before a big attack, which we hope never happens, that dozens of conspiritors are going to call each other and gossip about the details? That there would really be 'chatter'? And if we knew of such an attempt in the planning, why would we announce that? Wouldn't it be better to try and catch the conspiritors? Isn't it more likely that 'chatter' is disinformation, or designed to 'out' our intelligence sources? I think one reason for these periodic 'scares' is pure ass-covering. If there is an attack, they can say -- well, we warned you. The political benefit is icing on the cake. Every time the Govmint amps up the scare factor, they achieve a terrorist aim: terror.
if it too dangerous to protest the NRC in NEw York ,
why isn't it too dangerous to have the convention in New York ?
Cause they don't want any " Dead Zone " style images of Bush using a bullet ridden hippy corpse , baby , puppy, etc. as human sheild ?Cause Allahs Warriors Can't Hit the righteous?I don't quite follow...
This one could really backfire big time. As in "Do you feel safer now?"
And if you work in a skyscraper, go ahead to work because we protected you last ..... on second thought I think I'll take the week off.
Ah, a computer glitchgrounds airlines in the United States.
Wagner said a database malfunctioned that "basically runs every aspect of our client operations -- aircraft dispatch, crew scheduling (and) reporting weight, passenger load, balance."
The ground stop, ordered at 6:45 a.m. ET, affected American Airlines, US Airways and other airlines that share the system, he said.
Send in the black-box voting machines!
And tell me about georgie's leadership in stonewalling the formation of the 9/11 commission, barely funding it, withholding documents for as long as possible, only agreeing to interviews after seeing the negative polls, having Denny-boy balk at the deadline extension, then saying there wasn't time to implement recommendations, then backtracking on that and going full-steam ahead (I think).
Total, absolute bullshit.
Get these assholes out of here before they kill us all.
If there is any terror attack. It is all Bush's fault. Three years later, he has grown the ranks of al Qaeda and left us completely vulnerable to bin Ladens' henchmen. Handy how all of this comes to light right before the election and Bush's spiraling numbers. Miserable pricks.
I read a post on buzzflash.com today that says the terror alerts still have a huge influence in who people will vote for. A study was done on college kids proving this theory.
I feel opposite. If anything happens it will only reinforce my will to see him out of the White House.
Response to: Thor's Hammer 08.01.04 - 6:50 pm |
Well, maybe if I knew about the threat on Friday and a shorted some positions. But, who would've known on Friday that this announcement was coming this weekend? You offer baseless speculation.
sarcasm\
Thor,
Let's watch and see if the market craters in the morning.
Am I supposed to be afraid of this new 'terror' too, because I'm already in a state of terror each and every day of the Bush junta's existence.
Ah, a computer glitchgrounds airlines in the United States.
I heard a story recently about a similar problem with Northwest Airlines and its computers in Minneapolis.
i guess they had to go with the "offensive" intelligence because they kind of wore us out on the "credible" intelligence.
really pissing me off -- kerry and edwards (and everybody i've seen close to them) interviewed today (? -- saw it earlier this morning), when asked if going into iraq was the right thing to do, danced around the question, in fact giving support to the idea that the shrub was not wrong. in effect, they lend credibility then to this "offensive intelligence" nonsense. getting dean out to say it doesn't give the concept legs -- he has too big a reputation as a laughingstock by too many people. i kind of understand where kerry and edwards are coming from in their position but this whole thing is making my hair stand on end. the repugs are up to something snotty. they're going to break a lot of heads in nyc come the convention and claim that they thwarted a terrorist attack. if i have a nervous breakdown over this, will i be able to get social security disability?
ridge is such a little whore. he has that tough-guy look but he's so goddamn soft. maybe he'll get thrown into a rape room with the rest of the bushies. it's really time to get rid of the department of homeland security. "homeland"--that's so south african, isn't it?
ABCNews Noted Now picks up this swack by Dean from his CNN Late Edition appearance today:
Howard Dean, on CNN, sighted possible politics at play: "I'm concerned that every times something happens that is not good for President Bush, he plays his trump card, which is terrorism. His whole campaign is based on the notiion that 'I can keep you safe, therefore at times of difficulty for America stick with me,' and then out comes Tom Ridge."
hehe...go get 'em Howard!
If there is any terror attack. It is all Bush's fault.
No it's not. It's Clinton's.
Or it's the "politically correct" government of Jim McGreevy because he failed to surroudn Patterson (the city with a lot of Muslims not David) with the National Guard.
Or it's Kerry's. Or Hillary's. Or Rachel Corrie's.
Or anybody but Bush's.
Good God. Fox is going from the terror alerts to Lori Hacking to the terror alerts to Lori Hacking.
It's making my head spin.
Earlier today, the Libyan government released Fathi Jahmi. She's a local government official who was imprisoned in 2002 for advocating free speech and
democracy." Well, it turns out Fathi Jahmi is a man! Read on: http://pnuthouse.blogspot.com Dave Kopp | Email | Homepage | 08.01.04 - 6:30 pm |
But does Fathi Jahmi have a pretty face?
OT, but important:
Following in the footsteps of his best friend, Two-Faced Flip-Flopper Norm Coleman, Randy Kelly -- who campaigned as a Democrat -- is getting ready for his Big Sell-Out by enwhoresing Bush.
In case the RNC hasn't already given him his payoff, you can send Kelly his thirty pieces of "silver" here:
Mayor's website
Or you can do it here:
390 City Hall, 15 West Kellogg Blvd., Saint Paul, MN 55102
651-266-8510 • fax 651-266-8513
Of course, Randy Kelly is a darling of the DINOs at the DLC, so this shouldn't surprise us overmuch.
Hey, I didn't do that double post--swear! Haloscan magic...sorry--
Errhhhhmmmm.....
I've just gone and read the article cited above. From any number of pretty plain hints, um, looks to me as tho Tom Ridge is saying that American Express is being targetted.
AnneW: But it was worth repeating.
"The FBI warning was directed to officials in Los Angeles, as well as California and New Mexico, about a possible terrorist attack, said Laura Eimiller of the FBI's Los Angeles office."
New Mexico? WTF? Are they after our cacti? On the brighter side if they have nukes, what better place than Los Alamos, New Mexico to try them?
I don't know whether Tom Ridge is playing politics with terror alerts, or not. I suspect he isn't. Unfortunately, thanks to the efforts of those who do regularly cry Wolfowitz, the honest voice finds itself bereft of credibility.
I do feel for those who've been blundering about saying, "Have you noticed that, since we've invaded Iraq, there has been no attack on America?" (Yeah, but...Bali, Jakarta, Casablanca, Madrid...) God knows what those people will do to keep their sanity in check if there is an attack. Or even this big "credible threat."
Apparently, the flypaper is getting a little old.
is it just me or did tom ridge say this alert was BOTH "specific" and "non-specific"?
And did he not mention both the election and 9/11 in this alert?
Looks like he's pulling an Iraq The Dog.
I don't believe this terror alert. To me, the Bush administration has lost all credibility. I don't trust them, and I bet no other country would either. So basically, Bush is useless. If we needed to elicit the help of another country or even the general public, everyone would simply tell Chicken Little, Go f*** yourself. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice. . . We won't get fooled again."
On another note, my in-laws came over madder than hell this morning. They went to a party last night and they were the only Democrats out of the five couples. Well, it's always been an unspoken rule not to talk politics out of respect for everyone's feelings and because, let's face it when you bring up Bush during a party, it's a downer. Anyway, they came over early to tell my husband and I what had transpired, how basically their GOP friends lost it and started to put down Kerry, his wife and even lambasted F/911, even though none of them had seen it. My inlaws, who aren't particulary political dynamos could do little to stop the barrage and my husband said he suspected that his parents wished we had been there to take them on. Although before when we are around their friends, we have always been asked to refrain from discussing politics. I once overheard one of their friends say that we should just drop a bomb on Iraq and blow them off the face of the planet. Now mind you, these are "good Christian, upper-middle class people."
Anyway, my husband frequently argues with a guy at work. A Christian Republican, fond of quoting Leviticus who thinks Gays would be better off dead. Whenever the disucssion gets out of hand, my husband pops off the question: Putting yourself aside, what has George Bush done for this country?" Of course he starts in on the tax cut and my husband says that doesn't count. (It's about our country not him) So then he's stumped and usually shuts up.
Please try this exercise: Pretend you are a Republican (JUST TRY) and name one thing that George Bush has accomplished that has been good for this country. Be honest and be factual. Let's see what we can come up with.
Howard Dean, on CNN, sighted possible politics at play: "I'm concerned that every times something happens that is not good for President Bush, he plays his trump card, which is terrorism. His whole campaign is based on the notiion that 'I can keep you safe, therefore at times of difficulty for America stick with me,' and then out comes Tom Ridge."
Which can only mean we can expect "terror alerts" from now until November. At the rate of about one a week, or so; considering how well things are going for Bush, and how well they can be expected to go.
What was that story about the boy who cried "Wolf!"?
If there is an attack, they can say -- well, we warned you. The political benefit is icing on the cake. Every time the Govmint amps up the scare factor, they achieve a terrorist aim: terror.
And everyone said irony was dead. Good to see the government putting so much effort into keeping it alive.
The warning for New Mexico was to get the local media hipping and hopping prior to Cheney's visit to Albuquerque this weekend.
Nothing to see here. Move along.
Never seen so many crybabies in all my life. The rethugs did the same thing when Clinton bombed Iraq during impeachment. I'm so tired of the endless pissing and moaning that goes on. Get over it.
Thor's Hammer -- manipulating the stock market. Yeah, that's the first thing I thought about. As far as "Pre-emptive" precautions go, the stock exchange is already protected to the max.
I've just gone and read the article cited above. From any number of pretty plain hints, um, looks to me as tho Tom Ridge is saying that American Express is being targetted.
Damn, I was sort of hoping it would be VISA, MASTERCARD, or DISCOVER myself.
Actually, supposedly, from a news website that I never heard of before, www.rawstory.com, a Washington Post or LATimes investigation is about to claim, finally:
"George W. Bush = AWOL"
Get your bottled water together. Buy a can opener. Maybe some Krugerrands.
Hey, I didn't do that double post--swear! Haloscan magic...sorry--
WIPP, Leo. Don't you think a shipment of transuranic waste might be a tempting target?
Damn, I was sort of hoping it would be VISA, MASTERCARD, or DISCOVER myself.
I think he might mean the American Express Building, which is across the street from where the WTC used to be.
Never seen so many crybabies in all my life. The rethugs did the same thing when Clint--
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Erica
I hope you have a good book and a lot of time to wait.
On the other hand - the truth is nothing but it is hard to undo three years of lies.
The myth of no child left behind..
The myth of the prescription drug benefit -yes there is a discount but the drug companies just raised their prices.
The myth of enviromental justice
It's too late to convince them.
The way to win is register and vote people who do not need to be convinced and there are plenty.
And gad where do you live?
I would move immediately.
Ridge is looking for other jobs. Kerry's first rpiority should be to ban any company he works with from getting DoHS security contracts.
Fucking Putzes.
So major financial centers are blown up -- perhaps even this evening, when nobody is there..... sound a bit like the end of Fight Club? If so, what's the problem?
Once again Howard Dean says what we all are thinking. Just now on CNN, said it's awfully strange that these terror alerts get elevated whenever something goes bad for the president.
You mean the bad news that the bounce from the DNC was President Bush's? The last time the Democratic nominee lost points immediately following the DNC was 1972. That would be the year of George McGovern who went on to suffer a crushing defeat in November.
We have met the enemy and it is John Kerry said the electorate.
LOL @ Katherine. I was trying to play devil's advocate. I thought it might be a useful exersice for debating Republicans. Put ourselves in their shoes!!! Can't anyone name ANYTHING??? = )
Which can only mean we can expect "terror alerts" from now until November. At the rate of about one a week...
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Ok, we can give him this: He appeared to be a strong leader after Sept. 11 and the country was united.
I don't believe this terror alert. To me, the Bush administration has lost all credibil...
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Never seen so many crybabies in all my life. The rethugs did the same thing when Clinton bombed Iraq during impeachment. I'm so tired of the endless pissing and moaning that goes on. Get over it.
Yeah, cuz Clinton bombed Iraq dozens of times during his tenure. Why don't you get over the Clenis?
You mean the bad news that the bounce from the DNC was President Bush's?
You keep clinging to outliers. Or should I say "outliars"?
After that, I am stumped
I just bet Al Qaeda loves these yellow/ orange/plaid/flashingblueandpink Alerts. I mean, what's the point of Terrorism if there's no Terror produced? And isn't it great fun to watch the Great Satan acting like a bunch of scared children? Is Bush nuts? These Alerts do not a fucking thing for US, but have to be providing a great deal of, dare I say, Aid and Comfort to the enemy. Entertainment, too.
The Boy King is crying Wolf! a bit too often, I think.
And you know what bothers me?
Al Qaeda undoubtedly plans to do something to us here at home.
If they have a preference between Kerry and Bush, my guess is they like Bush better.
If that preference is strong enough to affect their choice of targets in the US, the Election might just be on their front burner.
Our worries about Deibold/Jeb Bush/Election fraud in general might be irrelevent. We might end up under Martial law, not as a result of Preznit Boorish's scheming, but because of Bin Laden's suicide squads. An America paralyzed with fear, troops on the street corners, news media muzzled, Internet 404'd, would tickle Bin Laden pink.
We are living in Interesting Times.
ERICA--a friend and I tried that little exercise once. The only thing we could come up with was the telemarketer call-blocking list.
Yeah, there's a huge life changer. Now, if I could just get health insurance....
I'm sure it's been said, but they are really blowing it if they hope to issue a red alert on election day.
If they keep it up with these bullshit alerts, nobody is going to buy it in November.
Fucking dumbshits.............
priority even...
This is a flagrant violation of the Hatch Act. Campaigning while on government time.
. . . still thinking of accomplishments of Bush (Jeopardy theme music plays softly in background)
You keep clinging to outliers. Or should I sa--
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Outliars.
Hehe.
What terror alert?
Never seen so many crybabies in all my life. The rethugs did the same thing when Clinton bombed Iraq during impeachment. I'm so tired of the endless pissing and moaning that goes on. Get over it.
Yeah, and if it hadn't been for that, he'd have been the first President to be removed from office!
But the Senate was cowed and distracted by the mighty sword of the bombing of some factories!
Oh, no, I've got that wrong! They laughed at his mighty sword! ("Why must everyone laugh at my might sword?")
As I recall, in fact, it was the GOP that was screaming "Wag the Dog!" about that bombing. Going after bin Laden was a distraction. Just as it was when Bush abandoned Afghanistan to its fate, while protecting Kabul with 20,000 troops, in order to go after Iraq.
And now Bush tells Ridge to run another terror alert up the flagpole to see if anyone will salute whenever his numbers need shoring up. (And I fervently believe Ridge is gladly pumping that nonsense out the way Ashcroft crows about catching terrorists in Brooklyn.) Funny how it's always the GOP either wagging the dog, or accusing someone else of wagging the dog, depending on how it suits them.
What was that about "Everybody does it," again?
Wag, wag, wag the dog!
I wondered what they'd do at the republican convention to try to top Kerry. There won't be one. They'll cancel it "for security reasons."
So, this is Terry McAuliffe & MB Cahill's fault.
LOL @ mem. Well thanks for trying honey. I am still giving it my all!!!
"Please try this exercise: Pretend you are a Republican (JUST TRY) and name one thing that George Bush has accomplished that has been good for this country. Be honest and be factual. Let's see what we can come up with."
Well the twins haven't killed anyone.
As far as we know.
Warthog:
You might want to note that the Gallup organization (the single poll to which you must be referring) has announced that it has extended its polling into Sunday. This is an expensive undertaking, and an effective admission that it doesn't trust its poll numbers.
Thanks for stopping by. There was a day, so very long ago, when Republicans could do math. Well, no more. It's why you can't be trusted to win the war on terror. An Arab with an abacus owns your ass.
OK, I got something. . . .nope sorry, false alarm. That was Clinton's accomplishment.
Well the twins haven't killed anyone.
As far as we know.
Well, if those rumors about Jenna's abortion are true, then according to the wingnuts you're wrong.
But neither has yet to equal their mother.
Ah, a computer glitchgrounds airlines in the United States.
I heard a story recently about a similar problem with Northwest Airlines and its computers in Minneapolis.
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I was effected by the NWA problem in MSP - it seemed strange then and seems strange now that a "computer glitch" can basically stop all entire airlines from functioning.
LOL @ David. Well that's something, I guess. But is that really Bush's accomplishment? Remember, he was drunk through most of their formative years.
Yeah, and if it hadn't been for that, he'd have been the first President to be re--
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Warthog, how old are you?
Seriously, you come across as a teenager.
Cripes. Get a grip. You aren't adding anything intelligent to the conversation.
You mean the bad news that the bounce from the DNC was President Bush's? The last time the Democratic nominee lost points immediately following the DNC was 1972. That would be the year of George McGovern who went on to suffer a crushing defeat in November.
We have met the enemy and it is John Kerry said the electorate.
You want to compare Kerry to McGovern, now? Tell me, is Bush going to break into DNC headquarters? Or announce a secret plan to end the war? And is Edwards going to reveal he's had electro-shock therapy, after which Kerry gets behind him "1000%," just before tossing him overboard?
Because if you're going to say this happened before, or that happened before, and therefore Bush wins, you'd do well to explain to us in point by point detail just how Kerry correlates to McGovern, or Dukakis, or any other Democrat who lost.
And be sure and tell us why Kerry's campaign positively will not correlate with Clinton's in '92, and why Dubya isn't making all the same mistakes, in a new form, that his father made.
Come, come, I'm sure you can put some meat on these rhetorical bones. Or are you just throwing dry bones out, hoping no one will notice they are not connected to anything?
Brian C. B. -- Well, if Ridge wanted to boost his credibility, he could skip the campaigning in the middle of a "terror alert" announcement.
These people are incapable of doing anything purely in the interest of the common good. It's a sickness, really.
Ok, how about this. . . nope, nevermind, thought I had a biggie but it was just a gas bubble.
"He appeared to be a strong leader after Sept. 11"
not on my planet!
Robert M. Jeffers
In the alternative you could provide a rational explanation as to why Mr. Kerry's Senate ID has two pictures?
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Oh, I do so love an intelligent response.
One can only assume from this that reading comprehension is not a skill this "anonymous" has mastered.
Seriously folks, can someone help me out. We need one good thing that we (as pretend Republicans) can say good about the last four years.
In the alternative you could provide a rational explanation as to why Mr. Kerry's Senate ID has two pictures?
Eighty six apple banana Quixote burrito on Mars through the tunnel?
Come, come, I'm sure you can put some meat on these rhetorical bones. Or are you just throwing dry bones out, hoping no one will notice they are not connected to anything?
Robert M. Jeffers
Children, children, the election is still three months away. I see Kerry with a slight advantage but he is hardly blowing Bush away. Anyone who is talking blowouts, on either side, is dreaming. Glad to see you guys are still arguing about it though.
Ok Karen, I don't really think he was strong after 9/11 either. But I was going to give them their illusions. They can at least have that, can't they???? LOL
But of course! Congress is in recess so they can't say a thing!
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Eighty six apple banana Quixote burrito on Mars through the tunnel?
THAT is such a perfect response!
We need one good thing that we (as pretend Republicans) can say good about the last four years.
W hasn't puked on anyone.
In the alternative you could provide a rational explanation as to why Mr. Kerry's Senate ID has two pictures?
And that has precisely what to do with anything? The price of tea in China, say? Or whether John Kerry is fit to be President?
Would it matter if it had 3, 4, 5? Are you alleging some kind of security risk that only you appreciate? Or that there is an old picture of Kerry, and a newer one? Or that one is, *gasp!*, not Sen. Kerry, but a pod person? A clone? An Evil Twin!?!?!
Good God, man, two pictures on his Senate ID!?!?!?! Why, the implications are staggering!!!!!!!!!!
Wait. No. No, they aren't at all. Back to my original question: who cares?
Omigosh! Can it be? I just saw on the CNN crawl that El Presidente was speaking in Canton OH today and people in the audience were yelling "liar"!
Will they disappear the whole crowd? Invite them all on a plane ride?
If true, this is abig crack in the facade.
Allow me R.M. Jeffers -
If you can provide a rational an coherent explanation why George W Bush should not be held fully accountable as a Deserter of the US Armed Forces in a time of War.
I would be happy to explain that it's a photoshopped bullshit mockup.
Anymore dumbass questions?
Well I'm pissed off, because what if it IS real, this time? We can never know with these clowns in power.
Did the Republicans allow us to keep our cell phone numbers when we switch carriers? Is that one? Does that qualify as "turning the corner?" 
Oh yeah, New York has not ever lowered their terror alert below orange, so this won't cost them anymore than usual and it is probably the same for WDC, too, so No Big Deal except -- Be Afraid, there is nothing to fear but fear itself.
As far as polling goes: a tin hat theory would be that the polls must appear to be close so Bush has an easier time stealing the election. The truth is I don't think it's even close. There are not that many stupid people on this planet, not alone in the state of Florida.
Still thinking on Bush's accomplisments. . . ok, there was that one time when he apologized. . .no wait- that was Richard Clarke.
Republicans gave me a bit of a tax cut.
Unfortunately they cut aid to the state I live in, and so my state, local and property taxes went up.
Oh hell, I give up, ERICA.
Seriously folks, can someone help me out. We need one good thing that we (as pretend Republicans) can say good about the last four years.
He gave Bill Clinton a huge tax cut.
The DNC had better jump all over Ridge for politicizing the terror alert.
You mean the bad news that the bounce from the DNC was President Bush's?
Warthog - Better run back over to FR and check your talking points. Guess you have not seen that poll has been basically pulled by USA Today/etc and they are redoing a lot of it.
Shove it, Tom.
posted this the other day, hope it makes it's way around the links nothing to fear, but fear itself
"In one we asked half the people to think about the September 11 attacks, or to think about watching TV," Solomon said. "What we found was staggering."
When asked to think about television, the 100 or so volunteers did not approve of Bush or his policies in Iraq. But when asked to think about Sept. 11 first and then asked about their attitudes to Bush, another 100 volunteers had very different reactions.
"They had a very strong approval of President Bush and his policy in Iraq," Solomon said.
now, nobody call me a troll, but howard dean is an idiot. in the long run his position may well be correct, and this new announcement is probably being used politically but it is by no means certain that there is not a real threat. tho i must say, after watching bloomberg, i have my doubts about the validity. nonetheless howard is not very judicious in his comments, i'm so glad he's not the nominee. and warthog get a clue, dean is not the canidate, pisses you off doesn't it?
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OK!!!! WE might have one. Keeping our cell phone numbers. It's not the red meat issue I was hoping for and certainly not one most normal Repugs would thing about, but we are gaining momentum. Way to Go Sheldon!!!
Warthog:
You would know if you were truly part of the group who need to know. Otherwise, since you are not, those who do know would be violating security regulations by informing you.
Try something else. Quietly.
Omigosh! Can it be? I just saw on the CNN crawl that El Presidente was speaking in Canton OH today and people in the audience were yelling "liar"!
Gee, I wonder if that will make it into the official WH transcript, you know, where they go:
AUDIENCE: Four more years!
That would be something to see.
dean is not the canidate, pisses you off doesn't it?
Dean with medal ain't bad. Have you noticed the inverse relationship between Mr. Kerry's TV exposure and his poll numbers? If he keeps campaigning the Dems may owe votes in 2008.
Children, children, the election is still three months away. I see Kerry with a slight advantage but he is hardly blowing Bush away. Anyone who is talking blowouts, on either side, is dreaming. Glad to see you guys are still arguing about it though.
Child, or "electionthief," if you prefer:
Did I either state or imply that Kerry was walking away with this election at this point? My questions re: Clinton were purely rhetorical. If "warthog" wants to compare Kerry to McGovern and Dukakis, why is that comparison more appropriate than a correlation to Clinton? Or Carter? Or LBJ?
The intent, in other words, was not to argue that Kerry must win; but that "warthogs" 'analysis' had no basis in anything other than misinformed fantasy.
And as for "anonymous":
Oh, I do so love an intelligent resp--
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As David Niven once said, he's shown us his shortcomings.
LOL Patriotboy. Clinton's tax cuts is important to the Dems, I know I personally pray about that very issue, but can we make it about the whole country. Damn you Dems and your fixation on Clenis!!
now, nobody call me a troll, but howard dean is an idiot.
I won't call you a troll, but you're getting close to being an idiot. A) Dean was vindicated re: his comments on Saddam's capture. B) His role now is to do exactly what he is doing (i.e., calling a spade a spade) so Kerry doesn't have to.
Have you noticed the inverse relationship between Mr. Kerry's TV exposure and his poll numbers?
Nope.
I know Just me. I am trying sooooooo hard to be a Republican. But damn me, I can't think of anything. DAMN MEEEEE!!!! Why is this so hard?
Ridge "...smart security professionals..."
True story. On my last flight I sat down in the waiting area who was chatting on her cell phone. After a bit, she pulls out a manicure set with multiple scissors, nail files, etc. I went back to reading. After a couple of minute the "WTF!" light went off over my head, just as she said. "Hey, security wasn't a problem. Nobody was there to screen me. I just walked right in.
A fellow employee flew in and out of Vegas from another airport, with a mini-Mace spray on her keyring.
Which ones? The ones that left the screening area unmanned? The ones that missed the Mace? Or Don Waddington, the hotshot in Baghdad who hired and trained a bunch of thugs for the Iraq PD?
Ridge "...smart security professionals..."
True story. On my last flight I sat down in the waiting area who was chatting on her cell phone. After a bit, she pulls out a manicure set with multiple scissors, nail files, etc. I went back to reading. After a couple of minute the "WTF!" light went off over my head, just as she said. "Hey, security wasn't a problem. Nobody was there to screen me. I just walked right in.
A fellow employee flew in and out of Vegas from another airport, with a mini-Mace spray on her keyring.
Which ones? The ones that left the screening area unmanned? The ones that missed the Mace? Or Don Waddington, the hotshot in Baghdad who hired and trained a bunch of thugs for the Iraq PD?
Robert M. Jeffers
Yegads, are you that thick? Two pictures. One for flip and one for flop.
know Just me. I am trying sooooooo hard to be a Republican. But damn me, I can't think of anything. DAMN MEEEEE!!!! Why is this so hard?
He motivated me to stop drinking cheap American beer, switch to French wine, and re-read La chartreuse de Parme in the original.
Ok. I think we need a troll to take up my cause. But yet, no trolls have even tried. HMmmmmmmmm. What do you suppose that means?
Yegads, are you that thick? Two pictures. One for flip and one for flop.
Ah. An attempt at wit.
I see.
Don't quit your day job.
Silly ERICA, expecting trolls to think. ;^)
Erika - United the Dem's and forced them to grow a spine (or some balls).
NTodd:
Have you noticed the inverse relationship between Mr. Kerry's TV exposure and his poll numbers?
Nope.
I think he's confusing Bush & Kerry at this point. And if that CNN report about people shouting at Bush during the speech today is true, then the relationship between his personal appearances and his poll numbers will also be a problem for the Bush campaign.
BTW, I notice that F 9/11 is still drawing good box office; good enough to show up on my Netscape homepage ranked with more recent releases like "I, Robot" and "Catwoman" as big box office draws. Have no idea what the numbers are, but it must still be drawing crowds like honey draws flies.
Remarkable, isn't it? One wonders if the media, who so love a winner and usually want to clone it ad nauseum, will learn anything from this?
The economy, the economy. . . the freaking economy. . . the economy. . .ok. . .what can I say good about the economy? . . . ok. . .
The enviroment . . . . .skip that. . . . human rights. . .prisoner abuse. . no good. . . . War in Iraq. . .nope-stay away from that subject. . .Afghanistan. . .nuh-uh. . . .ummmm. . . .education. . . oops. . .stay away at all costs. . . foreign policy. . not a great subject.. . . . What would a Republican do? Jesus. . ok. . jesus is good. . . no wait, gay marriage. . .crap. . Arggggggggggggg
I talked to my sister in Western New York last night. Cheneykins was there for a speech, and he got some bad vibes after people yelled about Halliburton's indiscretions.
It made the Buffalo news once, and then disappeared down the ol' memory hole.
I learned from the Sunday Gasbaggery today that most of the post-convention bounce comes in the weekend or week following the convention. Thus, the terror alerts seem designed to deflate the bounce for Kerry.
I went to Manhattan by bus through Lincoln Tunnel today with no extra security evident. The Prudential Building in Newark?-come on. There are elements of b.s. about this alert.
AND CHRIS FROM TEXAS WINS A LOVELY WHIRLPOOL SIDE BY SIDE REFRIGERATOR!!!
Ding Ding Ding, we have a winner.
He united the Dems. Thank you Jesus, I thought this might take longer. But. . .on the other hand. . . As a pretend Republican, I think that may be our downfall!!!
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One thing that is quite noticeable in the television coverage, the pictures do not lie.
Kerry seems reborn as a campaigner, full of fight and vigorous.
Bush seems to lunge at his points on the podium and unsure of himself. I've never seen him look worse. At this point he's as bad as his old man.
Bush doesn't portray optimism or niceness from the podium, he shows uncertainty and desperation.
These images trump whatever is said about them.
Seriously folks, can someone help me out. We need one good thing that we (as pretend Republicans) can say good about the last four years.
1.) Recruiting is up.
2.) The infidel has pulled out of Saudi Arabia.
3.) Saddam has been eliminated, clearing a base for a true Sharia government in Iraq.
4.) Our PR efforts in Asia are going very well.
5.) Would be traitors who wish to study at infidel American universities have been denied visa, thus making it less likely that they will bring a polluted, un Muslim secular education back home.
6.) Arial Sharon has completely destroyed any civil societ in Gaza, thus making it more likely that people will turn to the Muslim brotherhood.
7.) The infidel French have been divided from their allies the infidel Americans.
Shall I go on?
Cheneykins was there recently, I should clarify. Not last night.
At the time of the convention, here in NYC, they're going to use the terror threats to institute the same strategy Rudy used to stop the drug dealers from gathering, years ago.
It was found to be constitutional for the police to stop and search any group gathering in a known drug area.
Actually, some cops told me that it was a very successful strategy for reducing crime. Knowing they were going to be searched forced the drug dealers to leave their guns at home.
I think they'll be trying to stop any decent gathering of people by harrassing groups and re-establishing the police checkpoints like they used to have in the Village, near known drug activity blocks.
Under the guise of preventing torrorism, it will become very inconvenient to try to get anything going.
It will be easier than you think.
Warthog, didn't you say you were a vet the other day?
OMG. Did you LIE?
Shall I go on?
Osama Bin Laden
There you are, you fundamentalist minx you! I was looking for you earlier today.
what the hell is "offensive intelligence"?
God, you have to love the Osama. Always good for a laugh. (Shit, If I hit this ok button, John Ashcroft may be ringing my doorbell. . .hang on. brb. . . .
O, you get on back to Afghanistan, you hear?
"....An Arab With An Abacus Owns Your Ass"
- Priceless.
So, who's the "islamonut" now ???
Breeeeaaa!
BTW, I notice that F 9/11 is still drawing good box office
Cripes! If this keeps up, and Mr. Moore's next 2,000 films do as well, he'll have enough money to invade any unarmed nation of his choice!
A message to all of you infidels. I beg of you.
Re-elect George Bush.
He is the best friend the advocates of Sharia have ever had. Notice how the brotherhood is attacking Christian churches in Iraq?
Soon all of the followers of that infidel religion will be removed from Baghdad.
And just think, the foreign minister of the infidel Saddam was a Christian.
So elect Bush. Please. In the name of Allah (peace be with him) elect Bush.
Seriously folks, can someone help me out. We need one good thing that we (as pretend Republicans) can say good about the last four years.
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Well, lemme see.
Bush's tax cuts, targeted specifically at the middle class, delivered a massive stimulus to consumers and small business, alleviating the decline of an economy falling into recession due to 9/11 and, more importantly, Clinton's socialistic mismanagement during the previous eight years.
After 9/11, Bush proactively struck at the enemies of the United States in Afghanistan and Iraq, causing the terrorists to target American troops and Arab civilians, thereby protecting American civilian lives and preventing another terrorist attack on American soil.
Bush hasn't been afraid to punish failure and demand personal responsibility in his administration. He has been sucessful in driving weak, disloyal public servants, such as Richard Clarke and Joseph Wilson, out of positions of responsibility where they could further damage American interests.
Bush has created jobs and furthered the public interest by relaxing crippling environmental regulations and opening new lands for wise use and management.
Bush has shown himself a caretaker of the souls, as well as bodies, of Americans, by introducing legislation to prevent sinful homosexuals from corrupting our families and children by marrying each other.
Bush has demonstrated his concern for the lives of American troops by only deploying them when America itself is threatened, rather than risking them in places like Sudan where the so-called "genocide" poses no threat to American interests.
And finally, to protect the gains of the past four years, Bush has campaigned tirelessly for patriotic Republican candidates in the House and Senate, making certain that Congress will maintain its current high standards of dignity and responsibility, and that its successes won't be undone by the traitors and communists of the Socialist "democratic" party.
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Also, I have six million dollars in a Nigerian bank account. I'm willing to pay out half if you'll only give me a few thousand dollars to help me transfer it out of the country...
what the hell is "offensive intelligence"?
Olaf glad and big
Pakistan's cooperation in Operation July Surprise.
BTW, I notice that F 9/11 is still drawing good box office
A friend went with her husband (Fugitive Recovery for Wayne County, MI) yesterday afternoon. She said the theater was 1/3 full.
I asked her what they thought. She said they didn't like Bush before, but now they really didn't like him.
He needs to be replaced.
Yep.
Bush Hid behind the Kids on 911.
He's hiding behind YOUR kids right now.
Mr. Ridge, before you go, won't you remove this terrorist from behind our kids? What's that? You WORK for that terrorist?
First the Jackal...and now the Bunnypants. Why do they hate us?
It must be for our freedom.
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Wartie, come back!
O, you get on back to Afghanistan, you hear?
OMG FIBO. That was a most excellent reply. I am still giggling!!! In fact, a little pee came out. Damn you!!!!!
Bush has shown himself a caretaker of the souls, as well as bodies, of Americans, by introducing legislation to prevent sinful homosexuals from corrupting our families and children by marrying each other.
The infidel wench Coulter speaks truth. America is a decadent culture taken over by pornographers, Jews, and homosexuals.
But she should cover her face. A scarf is mandated for Coulter, from the bottom of her eyes down to the bottem of her Adams Apple.
bottem?
Fearful prediction:
That there will be more manipulation of terror alerts into the fall. It sure seems to about bumping headlines. The Pakistan AQ capture was designed to steal Kerry's front page, but didn't quite cut it.
And that by mid-November we will be realizing that the election has been stolen again, via Diebold, but there will be no proof because there will be no paper trail.
Oh well, I have to go. But I must give it up and say thanks and well done to the people who tried and failed miserably to find accomplishments in the Bush Administration. If they exist, I swear as God as my witness I will find them. I will not rest until I unlock the secret that is Bush's triumphs. It's more than an undertaking, it has now become an obsession. And one day, one day, God willing, they will present themselves to me. Unless God talks to Bush first. HEY!!! Maybe George will pick up the phone and let me in on them. Emailing me the list would be excellent too.
DING DONG.
Oops, there's the door, gotta run.
The cell phone switch and keeping your number was planned six years before it happened, so that was Clinton too!
With 6 years notice, you'd think the cell companies would have had their acts together...
/sarcasm
Bush united the Democratic Party!
The best thing he's done.
Yeah fibo, good one. Yours sound better than anything liar-in-chief or Karl has come up with.
Erica - Thanks, I really had to think long and hard, and like you, went through the whole checklist (economy, foreign affairs, etc). I was basically an apolitical person until GWB came along, now I give money, try to convert family and friends, and have spent several thousands of hours learning/reading all about politics so I can have a reasoned discourse on almost any political subject.
I wish Warthog would come back, because I have so been enjoying Robert M. Jeffers' rejoinders.
Um, ERICA, thanks to the Repugs, I have a lifetime supply of duct tape and plastic sheeting.
Meanwhile, the state of New Jersey (a "blue" state) is something like number 44 in terms of the amount of funding it gets from the Homeland Security Dept. (around $4 per capita). The state that gets the most security dollars (around $35 per head) is Wyoming (Cheney's home state). WTF is up with that????
Bush united the Democratic Party!
The best thing he's done.
Steven D., you're absolutely correct.
This one I take seriously. Look, the administration has obviously played politics with terror warnings in the past. The incentive is two fold. For one, to keep people in fear and remind them of 9/11 is extremely helpful to Bush's campaign. Second, these guys are desperate to inoculate themselves against the next attack.
They don't want suprise things like the Aug 6 memo showing they had some knowledge and refused to warn the public. But until now the threats have been extraordinary vague and they have either had an alert without raising the level on the color chart or they raised it for the whole country.
This alert is pretty damn specific and they are raising the color only in two cities so I think this may not be so much of a wolf call. Still, it could be bullshit playing into terrorists' hands since they love to test our security and methods.
Every time they send a specific threat down the chatter pipeline and Bush dutifully announces it on televesion for the above 2 reasons, Al Queda finds out which of its communication structures or people are comprimised and it gets to sit back and watch how we protect known targets. It's an interesting intersection of Bush's political and bin Laden's tactical interests. If only we had a CIA agent who could snap a pic of Osama in his BC04 shirt, we might have a chance of exposing this charade.
He united the Dems. Thank you Jesus, I thought this might take longer. But. . .on the other hand. . . As a pretend Republican, I think that may be our downfall!!!
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ERICA
well, as pretend rethugs, is that a good thing or a bad thing?
mookster, is there some spot in nyc that isn't a "known drug area"? i haven't been there in a while.
Oops, sorry. I made a mistake. New Jersey gets around $6 dollars per capita for Homeland Security. I'm sure the people who have to go to work in the Prudential Building in Newark tomorrow will feel comforted by that.
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly.../9268683.htm?
1c
"The state that gets the most security dollars (around $35 per head) is Wyoming (Cheney's home state). "
You ever see a really, really angry buffalo, son?
OT -- F911 pulled in $3m this week and is still in top 10. This one looks like a sleeper hit and goanna cause a serious bush fire. My god, imagine the dvd release...
I watched some schmuck on CSPAN not too long ago explaining the security dollars per state - population breakout.
Something about Wyoming having lots of natural gas reserves (severity of threats) or some shit and the total state area.
This makes sense to me. Cheney moved there. A perfect source for natural gas.
This is downright weird:
First the ACLU agrees not to hire people on any federal terrorist watchlists, then it turns around and condemns the federal government charity campaign that led to that agreement?
Hmmm - didn't like the URL tag. I'll try again:
http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/...?ID=16188&
c=206
Not sure if it was this thread, or another...
Someone asked about how Gore, if he had been elected, would would have dealt with 911.
Remember, Clinton had plans drawn to invade Afganistan and remove the Taliban and Bin Laden. These plans were surely described to Bush as part of the tranisition.
So, had Gore won, and persued the Clinton plans for Afganistan, 911 might never have happened.
Is this right?
Perhaps the reason we keep getting these terror alerts could be because they keep torturing the terrorists and terrorist suspects in Cuba until they give us some fresh info that they Don't have. (some of them have been there for years, what would they know) So they come up with anything that they can think of.
"Financial institutions, yes they are in grave danger, prime targets, oh and long bridges and wide highways too." "Now can I have my clothes back?"
Just my guess.
AlladinsLamp -- Yeah, I've been thinking that, too, since we've learned about the increased focus the Clinton admin gave to terrorism and OBL toward the end of its 2nd term.
About this latest alert: Josh Marshall and Laura Rozen have posts about more news on those Niger docs beginning to break. Rozen links to UPI report of rumoured DIA investigation of Counter-Terrorism Evaluation Group, too.
Rozen: http://tinyurl.com/3huxu
TPM: http://tinyurl.com/49mkp
I'm going with UofAZGrad on this one; this is the first time that specifics have been given, and I am willing to give Tom Ridge (but not the Bush Administration) the benefit of the doubt. This time.
Bush's tax cuts, targeted specifically at the middle class, delivered a massive stimulus to consumers and small business, alleviating the decline of an economy falling into recession due to 9/11 and, more importantly, Clinton's socialistic mismanagement during the previous eight years. The tax cuts were not 'stimuative' tax cuts, they were just sold that way. The war, the spending,the tax cuts, the interest rate cuts....NONE of this would have been possible without the Clinton surpluses. Because of Bush, none of this will be possible again. He has totally eroded the maintenance of a strong fiscal position going forward.
These terror-alert-level announcements are essential. We certainly don't want our first awareness of terrorism to be a mushroom cloud!
Or a John Ashcroft press conference!
I'm going with UofAZGrad on this one; this is the first time that specifics have been given, and I am willing to give Tom Ridge (but not the Bush Administration) the benefit of the doubt. This time.
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true, but hasn't that been the constant criticism of the terror alerts-- that they aren't specific? maybe this is an attempt to "validate" their warnings... or at least get the public to continue to swallow.
I'm with you, Redbeard. I work in Midtown and I just got off the phone with my mother on the West Coast, who was half-convinced that it was the last time she'd ever hear my voice.
If these people told me tomorrow would be Monday I'd require independent confirmation at this point. I am far more pissed off about them constantly scaring my poor mother than I am worried about any intelligence these bozos might manage to trip over.
are there any lefty trolls?Anyone here ever go 'over ' to the repug sights and mess with em ? I was thinking we should , as a small group of 5 or 6 , go find a few sights and post " God I hate ________"< Minority Here just to see if anyone tells you that language is inappropriate...silly I know , just curious if anyone around here had tried it ...
Actually, there have been a lot of oil wells drilled in Wyoming in the last 3 years. Very quietly. I met a couple of roughnecks from up there who were down here on vacation when I worked in the gift shop. I wonder if Cheney has somehow managed to buy the whole state, except Yellowstone (and Bush is working on that, too - remember the new initiative to sell off millions of acres of public land? No trick at all for Cheney to buy any in Wyo. through straw man purchasers; if he doesn't get caught.)
But anyway, Wyo. is not in the Southwest, my friends. It's north of Colorado, which is also not really in the Southwest, either. This be the West.
are there any lefty trolls?
Not so many. Righty sites tend to ban anyone with an opposing viewpoint. That said, a truly heroic trolling would probably get through the filters.
I was thinking we should , as a small group of 5 or 6 , go find a few sights and post " God I hate ________"< Minority Here just to see if anyone tells you that language is inappropriate...silly I know , just curious if anyone around here had tried it ...
That's not trolling. At least, it's not truly great trolling. Section 2, in particular, is required reading.
I missed Erica's posts, but as a Faux Republican thinker I am truly amazed at how our glorious leader has set a great example by taking one month vacations. He certainly raised the bar on f**king off. This is truly a wonderful achievement.
"I'm George W. Bush, and I approved this terrorist alert. Now watch this drive"
AsH,
Back before the OKC bombing, I trolled misc.activism.militia as "Col. Nidal, Commander, Islamic Militia of Dearborn." I asked the militias to ally themselves with us, because we both hated the secularization of America. A couple of milita supporters thought it was a great idea.
It's probably another entry in my FBI file.
SAFER, but NOT SAFE!!!
Who says Bush isn't nuanced?
I'm going with UofAZGrad on this one; this is the first time that specifics have been given
No it's not actually. There were bogus "specifics" given in some previous alerts that were obtained by torturing people at Gitmo. I'm guessing something similar went on this time around, except in this case the torturing to extract "information" may have been done by Pakistani intelligence. Besides telling Pakistan that they wanted high value Al Qaeda targets apprehended around the time of the Democratic convention, I suspect that noise making "specifics" were also part of the request.
The problem with the Bush Administration is that all of their intelligence is "offensive."
Why Are We Back In Iraq?
The problem with the Bush Administration is that all of their intelligence is "offensive."
Why Are We Back In Iraq?
Closing the Holland tunnel. HA HA, that's gonna piss off 100% of NY. Does anyone get the feeling that the terrorists are playing DHS for fools? Using counter chatter and reverse psychology to find the weaknesses in our system. I wouldn't doubt it for a sec.
Pakistan... Friend.
Tony B.
I've tried asking Republicans to name any thing good that Bush has accomplished, they are still trying to think of something two years later. Most of them avoid me or bring up Bill Clinton.
'We have talked to the security professionals at those buildings and the leadership, and I think the employees most appropriately would get guidance from their employer'
So which CEO is going to lead their people through this crisis. The last entity I will seek guidance from in a potential threat like this is my employer. This is where Homeland security should be providing the leadership and talking directly to the employees and guests of those locations. The employer has too many conflicts of interests for me to trust their guidance unless it is basically go home until we feel things are better. I know realistically that is not possible, but I still would rather hear it from a security official and not a private employer.
It occurs to me that the alert may be real but that they are giving it more currency in particular cities since 1) it distracts from the official start of civil war season in Iraq (churches bombed, etc.), 2) they'll be able to prevent massive demonstrations at the RNC later this month, and 3) if they alerted more cities and raised the threat level in those areas, it would bankrupt a couple of airlines as well as municipalities and perhaps states since no entity, including the feds, can afford massive compliance with the color coded alert requirements.
Just in case anyone here didnt notice.. a poll released by Ramussen today - polling over a 2 day period from July 30 and 31, gave Kerry a 49 - 45 % lead... 2/3 of these results were based on polling after Kerry;s acceptance speech.. so their next poll will be conducted with the full poll being after Kerry;s speech.
I would submit to you that unles Gallups follow-up poll or some other poll (Zogby on Tuesday) confirms their original poll.. its definitely an outlier.
That would show also people should stop crowing or lamenting over every individual poll thats released.. you never know what the next poll will say.
patriotboy: oh wait , shneider LYING his ass off ( 11:00 eastern)
man , is this guy a windbag
D'ya think the endless parade of non-specific threat reports might have SOMETHING to do with Democrats' blamemongering over unreported, equally non-specific threats pre-9/11?????
D'ya think the endless parade of non-specific threat reports might have SOMETHING to do with Democrats' blamemongering over unreported, equally non-specific threats pre-9/11?????
Terror reports can achieve two things:
1) Let an attacking terrorist group know you're on to them, and hope they abort the plan, re-shuffle their deck, etc. (If you were a terrorist, and they were blaring across the news about your planned attack, you'd probably want to lay low for fear of moles, etc.).
2) Sow fear among the populace and/or serve as a distraction.
All this blather about "being vigilant" and on the lookout for "people doing suveillance" is bullshit. Would you do surveillance after the news told people to be on the lookout?
Unfortunately, this administration's playing fast and loose with the truth, coupled with the uncannily coincidental timing of these alerts, has caused most mildly critical thinkers to assume that we get some combination of above reasons 1 and 2.
and amazingly, all the media whores followed the herring wherever it 'flew'.
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shoot - i thought this terror alert was deflect from poll numbers, but it's not - it's to deflect news about that new, gargantuan deficit number....
Can I have a wee scream? I really need one!
ARRRRRRRRRRRRRGH I HATE RIGHTWINGNUT WARMONGERING IDIOT BUSH DEAD-ENDERS!!!!!
On the happy side, RWWs are such a tiny fringe irrelevant minority whose lead moron will soon be gone gone gone!
Repub accomplishment: lower tuition so that it's harder for the po' to go to college; lower aid to colleges so that they have to raise tuition, and then threre'll be lots mo' young-uns to sign up and go to Iraq and get those terrorists.
One thought about the increased and timely alerts. Bush will be able to get a delay on turning in his report on Monday to the 9/11 commission. He won't have to appoint an intel czar 'cause this weekend has just shown us that he has everything firmly under CONTROL (and everybody is watching all suspicious characters). Lordy act normal, right?
Thank gawd for Dean and the plain spoken truth!
I know it in my bones that one of these days there will be proof positive that the White House is jerking us around with these terror alerts.
High alert for NYC in the run-up to the GOP convention slated for the anniversary of 9/11 -- how blatant is that?
Please O please contact your media of choice and tell them you're not buying it.
We need to get our skepticism out there where it can start building like the distant rumble of a storm rolling in. The more voices, the louder the thunder.
Oh Dipsy, if Democrats did all the baseless fearmongering Repugs did, we'd run this joint!
Go Google the name Colleen Rowley, fucknut.
Mayor Bloomberg looked slightly nauseous st the Sunday briefing-I think his bullshit detector went off-This faux administration cries wolf far too often-frankly I think if they got wind of a specific action they'd probably let it happen-the only way for Pretzel-Boy to win this one is the rally round the Moron Srategy!
merl writes: I've tried asking Republicans to name any thing good that Bush has accomplished, they are still trying to think of something two years later. Most of them avoid me or bring up Bill Clinton.
Thanks Merl. You help prove my point. This is a great way to debate a Repug, ask them the question, then shut up and wait. . .and wait. . .and wait. They can't do it so they attack Clinton. There is no rational reason to support Bush and they have to know it. They just have to.
I was about to email you that passage.
you're good.
I was about to email you that passage.
you're good.
"Go Google the name Colleen Rowley,"
Dickweed, I was referring to the memoes containing the awesome revelation that Islamic terrorists may have wanted to attack America, possibly a big city, sometime prior to 9/11. That Islamic terrorists may want to hijack a plane (YA THINK?) and that "a group of bin Laden supporters was planning attacks in the United States with explosives." I can pull up many more shrill non-specific counterexamples to your Rowley memo (which is still riddled with non-specific non-information of the woulda shoulda variety.)
Google "Bush warned of plane hijackings", amnesiac. Blame them.
" if Democrats did all the baseless fearmongering Repugs did, we'd run this joint!"
Baseless fearmongering is what Dems are all about. You're afraid of religious zealots except when they threaten you with nuclear weapons. You're afraid of the war on terror but not the war on American civilians and non-believers. Perversely, you fear George Bush more than Osama Bin Laden or his associates.
I think the recent announcement is seed-planting for a planned staged "terror" attack (that will be complete with potential horrific outcomes) that will largely be prevented by Bush/Ridge due, of course, to the great Homeland Security systems they have put in place. It will serve two purposes...it will make Bush look like a hero, give Ridge back the credibility he has lost (if he ever had it)with his color-coded systems and [political]threat announcements.
Look for lotsa photo-op structural building damage and lotsa lives saved.
I think the recent announcement is seed-planting for a planned staged "terror" attack (that will be complete with potential horrific outcomes) that will largely be prevented by Bush/Ridge due, of course, to the great Homeland Security systems they have put in place. It will serve two purposes...it will make Bush look like a hero, give Ridge back the credibility he has lost (if he ever had it)with his color-coded systems and [political]threat announcements.
Look for lotsa photo-op structural building damage and lotsa lives saved.
Does anybody in their right minds really believe that just before a big attack, which we hope never happens, that dozens of conspiritors are going to call each other and gossip about the details? That there would really be 'chatter'?
According to the 9/11 report, the chatter that made the system "blinking red" stopped almost completely weeks before the attack. Having been in situations of emergency in high-rise buildings, the scariest situation is when the alarms go off for a while, then stop without any explanation.
But I can't think now, I'm trying to determine how I would get home from my cubicle a block away from the NYSE in case there's trouble there.
This so sucks...I have a strong feeling this is crying wolf (the NYSE? You couldn't get a truck near it on a good day since 9/11), but I can't get out of my head the thought that it might be true and all of us downtown (and uptown and in Newark & DC) are in real danger.
From this morning's NYT:
"Several episodes in the United States have recently drawn scrutiny from counterterrorism officials, including the apprehension of a Pakistani woman in Texas with a suspicious passport as well as reports from passengers on a recent flight to Los Angeles about odd activity by a group of Syrian musicians. But officials said that neither of these incidents was a direct factor in the decision to go to Code Orange."
Annie Panic's hoax didn't contribute to Ridge's latest (and predicted) warning. Boy, that's a relief.
The thing is -- there is no time element. It could be tomorrow, it could be a year from now. or they could have dropped the whole idea as unfeasible a year ago. Are we going to close the Holland Tunnel indefinitely?
Bloomberg did seem pretty skeptical during his press conference yesterday. He also pointed out that the two biggest, fattest targets for terrorists are DC and NYC -- it sounded like a jibe about how the security funding has been spread out among so many states.
'We have talked to the security professionals at those buildings and the leadership, and I think the employees most appropriately would get guidance from their
employer'
EkCenTrik, you're entirely correct. One of the things the 9/11 Commission found (obviously Ridge didn't read the report) was that different employers in the WTC gave differing instructions to their employees. One of the problems with the evacuation of the buildings was that there wasn't a central command post, telling everybody at the same time to get out (and how to get out -- apparently the 911 phone people were giving out contradictory information because they weren't in the know about the situation at the WTC).
When I heard Howard Dean's comments this morning I nodded my head in agreement. I'm outraged they arrested this person weeks ago and they're just coming out with this information now?!?! Added to my everyday agitation about going to work in NYC is now a tremendous amount of anger that they waited so damn long to tell people. and Sen. Joe Lieberman had the nerve to say Dean was out of line. WHAT ELSE DO YOU CALL WITH-HOLDING INFORMATION LIKE THIS FOR THIS LONG TO TAKE THE SPOTLIGHT AWAY FROM THE ADMINSTRATIONS PROBLEMS?!
Here's the new Terror Alert level chart
Here's the New Terror Alert Level Chart
Hmmm. Back to the drawing board.
Oh well.
Did anyone notice whether the Reichstag is on the list of threatened targets?
How does Tom Ridge do his job looking out for our security when he is always on his knees kissing Dubya ass?
So the Pakistanis' coughing up a bad guy right on schedule the day of Kerry's speech didn't take JK off the front page. And the deficit's a whole lot worse than predicted. And JK and JE are doing great. And W's desertion records are out there. And Patrick Fitzgerald's footsteps are getting louder and louder. And the polls look bad for W.
What else *would* the lying bastards do, but yell: Look! Over here!! Terrorists with a shopping list!!!
August 02, 2004
This is from War and Piece (Laura Rozen)
The Bush administration has voted to kill the crucial "inspection and verification" component of a nuclear non proliferation treaty:
In a significant shift of US policy, the Bush Administration has announced that it will oppose provisions for inspections and verification as part of an international treaty to ban production of nuclear weapons materials.
For several years the US and others have been pursuing the treaty, which would ban new production by any state of highly enriched uranium and plutonium for weapons.
At an arms control meeting in Geneva last week the US told other countries it supported a treaty, but not verification.
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Arms control specialists said the change in the US position would greatly weaken any treaty and make it harder to prevent nuclear materials from falling into the hands of terrorists. They said the US move virtually killed a 10-year international effort to persuade countries such as India, Israel and Pakistan to accept some oversight of their nuclear production programs.
This administration is insane. I have no words.
Hard right conversatives and neocons have always disdained arms control treaties saying "Why bother? They can't be verified." But by killing the verification component of this treaty which would ban production of nuclear materials, they have surely made that a fait accompli. To what end? It surely couldn't hurt, and it's not like the US has such a good track record on intelligence on WMD issues in India, Iraq, Pakistan, North Korea, Iran, or Libya.
Posted by Laura at 09:46 AM
Dipsy McDoodle,
"Perversely, you fear George Bush more than Osama Bin Laden or his associates."
To paraphrase from the late, great Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek*:
"Osama bin Laden is a disease of the skin; George W. Bush is a disease of the heart."
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*Chiang was referring to the Japanese invaders and the Chinese Communists, respectively.
Bin Laden can do nothing besides kill some of us. Bush can drive us ten million feet deep into the earth and trap us there. Who should we hate more?
It's a more clever non-announcement. Since I've already spent a good part of the morning writing about this story, click here for the posting.
Once again, it's the job of the press and the Congress not to sit there like potted plants and consume whatever mulch Ridge drops on them. For people serious about counterterrorism, including some hard-working professionals behind the scenes, this latest press conference by "Minister of Fear" Ridge is an outrage.
Oh, by the way, the Bush Administration is willing to release "information" about this alleged attack in the offing, but US forces in Iraq won't release information about the 107 children detained there. And, yes, their fate has been like that of the adult prisoners.
http://www.sundayherald.com/43796
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armsandinfluence.typepad....ther_shoe_.html
Reading all of the above, I completely agree with everyone's assessment that this is an administration who has cried "wolf" so many times as to become of mockery of themselves. However, as much as I hate this administration, I do have to consider somethings that I have personally experienced that may or may not be related to this new level of threat.
My sister and brother-in-law (in Missouri) had their bank account compromised when their bank was hacked into a week ago. On Wednesday, I received a call from my Visa company (Fleet/BankAmerica) saying that they had their computers compromised and they were calling everyone (thousands, according to the rep I spoke with) to verify the last three transactions on their account, cancel the account, and reinstate a new one. That same day, in the Sac Bee, it was reported that an off-site billing vendor for a local, large credit union, had computers stolen from its facility, thereby compromising thousands of area accounts (soc. sec. numbers, etc.).
Could be a coincidence, might be another way to undermine and attack our financial institutions. I also saw the reports of the airliners' computers being offline, thereby disrupting service. The source of the hacking for my sister's account was located (at least) to Alberta, Canada. Considering so much outsourcing by major entities like CitiGroup, Prudential, etc. are in some countries where terrorists have a pretty firm footing, would this not make it feasible to attack us in other ways besides bombs?
Just asking. I'm just relaying my own, personal experience from the past week (and I'm in California).
Right before Dean on Inside Edition, Lieberman came on and basically said it was silly to suggest the president would use the terror alert system for his political gain.
It's shit like that ... not so much his voting record, but his rhetoric that makes people hate Lieberman.
Kerry should have said "considering how Ridge politicized his announcement its certainly easy to understand why Dean thinks its a possibility that the the alert is entirely political."
ERICA: It took two days, but (and this isn't really fair) how about getting to refinance your home loan at under 5% fixed interest rate? I know that's the only "good" thing that's happened to me since January 2001...
Despite its initially counter-intuitive aspect, a collaboration between right-wing white-supremecist militia-type groups and Al Quada people is the most natural thing in the world: they have so many common goals! Both want Bush to remain in place: the Al Quada faction, because he'll continue to destroy the American economy and gobal prestige, and the American fascist militia faction because...well, obviously.
With all the scrutiny being directed at Arabs/Middle Easterners/Islamic groups right now, they're actually hampered in efforts to coordinate a direct American-soil attack. But the more shadowy militia good-old-boys could easily put together an Oklahoma-City-type fertilizer bomb--or two or three or four of them... and deliver them to the appropriate governmental/financial offices, and whatnot. Money and tactical advice will come from Quada, and the good ol' boys will pull offf the actual hit. Once the bombs go off--I'm guessing about two or three weeks before the election--this will be the line of reasoning pushed by the Bushies:
1. The Terrorists want Bush out of office because he's tough on terrorism, blah blah.
Comments: this is nonsense, of course. The "terrorists" are smarter than is commonly realized--much smarter than the Bush crowd--and they know that Bush is one of their best operatives in "destroying America." In contrast to Bush, Kerry might actually do a few intelligent things toward repairing the US's standing in the world and its economic health (Although four years of Bush have done a pretty thorough job of ensuring decades of economic damage.) Can't have any of that!
2. The Terrorists conducted this bombing to turn the election against Bush--just look at what happened in Spain!
Comments: I've been foaming at the mouth for a while about the fact that almost nobody has challenged the Bushies' constant spin that the bombings in Spain were "A successful terrorist operation to influence the election..." This assumption is absoulutely outrageous, and the fact that they've been able to get away with propagating it is scandalous. Actually, it's a set-up: once the American bombings take place, the cry will be to be "tougher" than the Spaniards, and not let "Al-Quada steal this election!" All of the reactionary forces will be summoned, and the pieces will fall nicely into place. "Stay the course--don't panic!" The usual black-is-white Orwellian nonsense, when panic is what they really seek to propagate.
One of the many horrible aspects of the post-9/11 world is the fact that few lessons have apparently been learned about the danger of a blind "Support the president in this moment of crisis no matter what" mentality--I fully expect the same thing to happen all over again. This is the sort of historical lesson that Americans are still too immature to learn fast enough to save themselves. That's where a deep historical mindset is an advantage, which is precisely wh
(continued) ...which is precisely what Middle Easterners possess in obsessive abundance." The End.
Sorry, I'm new at this and didn't realize that my post was too long.
I'm off to Wal-Mart to stock up on plastic sheeting and foil now...
"I'm off to Wal-Mart to stock up on plastic sheeting and foil now"
Would that be tinfoil? Don't forget some PVC for the bong-to-end-all-bongs.
Dear, dear Dipsy:
Of course I mean "tinfoil," and would have written exactly that, except that it's always been difficult for me to use the term. Modern foil is of course made of aluminum, and my parents inculcated this awareness well. Fortunately, aluminum is even more efficacious than tin in focusing the mind-control beams.
As for the bong, it's already stocked in the bunker; I'm way ahead of you on that one.
My raving comments on this post came late, long after most readers of this site had moved on. I'm honored to know that you're still monitoring it, and I hope you're glad to see me-- always gratifying to find a newbie to needle, isn't it?
Yapping on Hardball now about how of course no one would use terra alerts for political gain. None of the dem representatives bring up Ridge's outragious statement. What the fuck is the matter with them? Every congressional and senators office should have an aide assigned to read the blogs hourly to keep up with what's going on.
Yeah, don't forget we have Bush to thank for the valuable three year old intelligence that allows us to beef up security in NY right before the convention!
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