I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
!tsriF
cuckoo...cuckoo
Please... somebody strap a straight-jacket on that guy.
Assasination plot? Oh Christ, here we go again.
Assasination plot?
Rumor has it he killed some time during breaks at law school.
from Corsi:
"Second, the politically incorrect humor I posted on this site is evidently not funny to everyone."
i dunno 'bout most other folks, but I thought this was REALLY funny:
• Corsi on Catholicism: "Boy buggering in both Islam and Catholicism is okay with the Pope as long as it isn't reported by the liberal press"
maybe not funny for the same reason Corsi thought it was funny, but still...what's he saying here?
-Its OK with the Pope if muslims engage in pederasty, as long as the Media doesn't cover it.-
now THAT'S funny.
"Boy buggering in both Islam and Catholicism is okay with the Pope as long as it isn't reported by the liberal press"
LOL! He's got a point.
what does Corsi think of the boy buggery that went on at Abu Ghraib? and the media reporting of it (or NON reporting of it)?
Oy vey iz mir!
Crumbs. Politically incorrect jokes? I dread to think how many people those will offend...
and I wonder if his dog has more sense than he does, but that's just IMHO.
Does anybody know what the hell he's talking about re: assasination plots?
His dog Chico...is that in honor of the little brown ones.
It's what they always say, "I was just kidding." When they get called out they say, "Oh, I was just kidding." And then they try to make out like we're the ones' with a problem -- too sensitive, no sense of humor, etc. This tactic was developed by men who sexually harass women (remember how they love to say that feminism has "no sense of humor" when we feminists have a great sense of humor -- we're laughing at their small penises!) and now they're using it on all liberals.
Yep. This'll sure show them there voters that W is running a "positive campaign on the issues."
Yep.
Where else are nuts to hang out but at the Nuthouse?
It's what they always say, "I was just kidding." When they get called out they say, "Oh, I was just kidding." And then they try to make out like we're the ones' with a problem -- too sensitive, no sense of humor, etc.
There's one guy I know who says that Michael Moore is spiteful and hateful, but we don't understand Ann Coulter's "humor." Doesn't a wonderful double standard just make your day?
anonymous...lol...one brown one just got married...viva diversity!
It's what they always say, "I was just kidding."
Well, given the last post I guess its appropriate to say...
...IOKIYAR!
Boy buggering at Abu Gharib is okay, just as long as it's not covered by the liberal media.
Thomas,
I tell them that if it doesn't make me laugh, then it's not funny, they weren't teasing, and it isn't humor. An old lover, long-time gone on the kool-aid, told me this week that I've reached the point where 50% of the country just can't talk any sense to me. I told him he's right -- and that that was funny.
Re the assasination plot: VVAW discussed assassinating US officials to end the war. Kerry had already left the organization because of they were becoming too radical for him. or, the alternate story, Kerry was at the meeting, voted against it, and then quit. Either way, he wanted nothing to do with such things.
Like the Groper was just kidding when he called the California legislature girlymen -when asked about it recently -he said some people are just too sensitive and can't take a joke. Maybe some people aren't funny. And yet bullying remains epidemic in schools.
Those Republicans always working on good moral values.
Thanks, bun...
Ewwwwwwwwwww... a link to freepland... ::shivers::
Republican Party 2004: The Death of Rationality.
He's proud to be spending 30 years brooding over the 1960's. The thing freepers do best is look backward, nurture old slights, hold grudges, and invent libels.
Scorpio
Eccentricity
i remember those whacky republicons as chastising all who found little humor in little prince dufus's roaring spoof about missing WMD's around about the time 650 americans and countless thousands of innocent Iraqis were being ripped apart to thier death...fuckin huilarious-what's that matter with you stiffs...
This'll sure show them there voters
Thersites, you misspelled *there*.
Corsi is a scumbag. Perfect fit with the Freeps and the Swift Boat Scumbags.
It's what they always say, "I was just kidding."
Hmm let's try that:
"I was just kidding when I said George W. Bush is like Hitler."
"I was just kidding when I said Rick Santorum buggers dogs and Sen. Cornyn buggers box turtles."
"I was just kidding when I said Tom Delay shouldn't be thrown in jail, he should be fumigated."
"I was just kidding when I said George W. Bush is a lying crooked ex-coke dealer who, like the drunken frat boy coward son of privilege that he is, couldn't be bothered to complete his 'champagne unit' military service which enabled him to avoid dying in Vietnam like a lot of less fortunate sons did."
It's amazing how effective it can be to not get the joke. You know how when someone tells a racist/sexist/objectionable joke and you don't laugh and you just look at them like they've lost their mind? Due to the kind of law I practice, I'm often the only woman at the meeting, and I've found this to be an invaluable tactic. Works every time.
was under the naive impression that Clinton Administration scandals would end once the Clinton Administration ended. Even I, someone who has not exactly had her eyes closed to Clinton-era buffoonery, did not imagine that the most corrupt administration in the history of the country would find a way to keep having scandals while out of office.
But poor old Sandy Berger ends up in hot water long after everyone's gone home. Someday we'll be reading about Clinton officials causing incidents in nursing homes. (Which Clinton Administration official do you imagine that might involve?)
The undisputed facts are these: Clinton's national security adviser removed documents with the highest possible security classification from the National Archives, took them home with him, and disposed of some of the documents. (Still hotly contested is whether Berger also stuffed top-secret documents in his socks.)
He's proud to be spending 30 years brooding over the 1960's. The thing freepers do best is look backward, nurture old slights, hold grudges, and invent libels.
Oh YEAH? What about Chappaquidick?
Berger was EXONERATED, blue spooge.
Hey, at least he's come out of hiding....now that he's been outed, he's willing to put his name on the freeperposts.
Additions to the collected sayings of jrlc should do wonders for the credibility of his book.
This'll sure show them there voters
Thersites, you misspelled *there*.
Uh, no, I didn't.
Okay! so now, that Ph.D. Corsi has been outed as a certifiable racist homophobic fascist misogynist drooling fucking lunatic, the same news programs that made such a big stink about the Swift Boat "controversy" have surely set the record straight on this guy, right?
Right? RIGHT?!?!?!?!?
little minds can not differentiate between a scandalous act and UNSUBSTANTIATED charges which are called scandals by uninformed lazy ingnorants...
Theresites, you misspelled "thar".
"Does anybody know what the hell he's talking about re: assasination plots?"
http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-ne...s/1101864/
posts
http://209.157.64.200/focus/user...r-posts?
id=2671
Once you've read those, read post 11 on the following thread.
Not surprisingly, he got (thankfully) banned. As it turned out, he was allegedly working on a book with his buddy Thomas Lipscomb (posing as Ms. Clodia Pulcher at FR) and when that got shut down, his list of enemies grew to include the FRN types. It also appears to include Mr. Corsi, who WAS briefly a source for Lipscomb and G***ert. Now that he is not a source, he appears to be on the short-smear list.
http://www.aimoo.com/forum/
postv...hreadID=1616105
Bam! Now you've got background on the next anti-Kerry "expose".
...and Coulter also said "the americanization of Iraq was going fantastically"...just vomitting bile onto a piece of paper is insufficient proof of anything but a penchant for shock and attention...
Atrios,
I've been in the sun all day and have had, um, a little Stoli, but is this due to you outing him on Media Matters? If so, keep up the good work. Don't let up for a minute.
Theresites, you misspelled "thar".
LOL, well, I guess so.
Thanks, bunney.
But poor old Sandy Berger ends up in hot water long after everyone's gone home.
Um, cleared, totally. No "hot water". Can we expect that the rest of your masterful dissertation contains at least as much accuracy?
Ever notice how the freepers and other assorted GOP pond scum can hate on cue? Doesnt even matter if it's true or not, if it makes the other guy look bad, I'm ready to attack!
For every freeper who got a hardon over the Berger story, do these dumbshits not read the paper(at least a non Murdoch owned one) and find out that Berger was cleared of any wrongdoing? The Archives people said they knew exactly what he had, and they were copies!!
Berger, unbeknowst to the pond scum, is on our side. So is Richard Clarkem who knows more about those Al qaida dickheads than anyone in the country, yet we are supposed to believe that somehow they are the enemy?
I give Bin Laden more credit on this one: he knew American society would probably devolve into two camps, the flag waving beer drinking chest thumpers who like to 'bring it on', and the rest of us, who use a bit more restraint and caution with regards to, oh i dunno, sending 140000 soldiers in the wrong fucking country!!!
Freepers skeeeered.
They know that they're going to be the minority fringe of the minority party come November. Because the Republican Party is going to clean out the stables, and there's an awful lot of freeper shit who'll be washed into the sea.
Sen. Shelby may have commited a felony when he passed along confidential material to faux news...but the bush DOJ passed it along to the ethics commitee...
ever notice how you liberals get "offended" at things just so you don't have to argue whether or not there is truth in them?
LOL!!!!!!!
Does anyone else find it ironic that the troll Blue Sperm is a female and the old troll Egg was a male. ... I don't mind the gender-identity issues ... just asking, is all ...
Remember the term "Clintonesque?"
Here's a new one-"Clintonization," as in the Clintonization of Kerry is now in full swing. I wonder what the codeword is this time-the "Massachusetts project?"
oh, and whether or not Berger was "exonerated", is just a dodge since nobody is denying he stuck classified documents down his pants and left with them, they are just claiming it didn't matter. So, why did he do it?
offended...believe me I am fully prepared to aggressively argue my...my...your a stupid dumbhead
Bam! Now you've got background on the next anti-Kerry "expose".
Christ. Just knowing sites like that exist kills a little of my soul.
ever notice how you liberals get "offended" at things just so you don't have to argue whether or not there is truth in them?
LOL!!!!!!!
Thug
Corsi on "John F*ing Commie Kerry": "After he married TerRAHsa, didn't John Kerry begin practicing Judiasm? He also has paternal grandparents that were Jewish. What religion is John Kerry?"
... yeah slut ... I really feel the need to argue whether or not this one is true.
anonymous in nc,
Goddess I hope you're right! I hope they have summits and conferences to figure out their new direction after their loss and decide to go back to being true conservatives and leave the fundies and haters with no party at all.
Just plain lying and toughing it out and celebrating bigotry, Bushco energizes its base. Must make folks very proud to be Bush supporters.
My favorite new Republican talking point --the economy is not Bush's fault. Well it was last week when he thought it was doing well.
if it didn't matter what berger took, anyways, then why do you care at all? because if you throw enough feces, little monkey, some of it will stick
... and that's all you are: a little poo-tossing chimp!!
on the contrary my intrepid little Troll...Berger and his Counsel ARE denying that he put documents "down his pants" symantics are very crucial to the repub spin machine...
(No feeding the trolls, people. It's a beautiful day out there.)
Thug, you can't just spew this stuff without proof.
He hasn't been charged. He hasn't been charged. He hasn't been charged.
Jesus Christ. After all that has happened in Bush's presidency, thug, you're going to be slapped down hard come November.
Warren Terra,
In what context are they using the phrase "the Clintonization of Kerry?" If it appeared in that thread on FR, I didn't see it, because I could only read the posts in it for a little while before disgust took over.
Is the steve simels upthread the rock critic for Stereo Review? Or an admirer, or his grandson, or never heard of that other one?
Which swift boat veteran retracted his criticisms of Kerry?
Sorry pie, but being legalistic doesn't change anything. He may not be charged, but that doesn't change the fact he put classified documents in his jacket and pants (his lawyer Lanny Davis later denied he put any in his sock, which an unnamed archive worker claimed he saw) and left with them. What was he up to??
It's a beautiful day out there.)
anonymous in nc | Email | Homepage | 08.07.04 - 6:39 pm | #
It sure is, man. It's killer here in Georgia. It was unbelievably cool this morning when I went to work. Oddly, we had a slow day (a busy breakfast, but overall fairly slow). Go figure. First day since May we haven't run the AC.
pie,
we need another peotry thread, trolls hate the poetry, y'know.
Hey, Corsi, your mother is a truckstop cum chugger!! Of course, I kid. Don't be so sensitive . . .
The Democratic primaries: Millions.
The Democratic convention: Millions more.
Being stuck with a Democratic candidate who confessed to war crimes on TV and now expects praise for his acts?:
PRICELESS
damn
anonymous in nc sez:
(No feeding the trolls, people. It's a beautiful day out there.)
Indeed. Here in Pittsburgh it was sunny, 72, with a light breeze. My overly-white skin is now pink.
Much better than this Corso creep.
I basked.
.
Thug, let's put them under oath.
All of them.
Here's some political blue humor that should tickle the troll.
Which swift boat veteran retracted his criticisms of Kerry?
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 08.07.04 - 6:46 pm | # -
Anon- Elliot recanted, had his recantation recanted by O'Neil, and then re-recanted his earlier recantation.
try to keep up, will you?
I like the looks of this:
MSNBC Poll:
If the presidential election were held this week, who would you vote for? * 50413 responses
George W. Bush
27%
John Kerry
71%
Ralph Nader
2%
Cast your vote at the link above.
What was he up to??
Thug
Thug, it was all perfectly innocent. Why does swiping classified documents raise suspicion anyway? Are YOU trying to hide something.
First day since May we haven't run the AC
And you wonder why we have global warming?
Send this link to Kerry's folks and encourage them to promote this technology as part of Kerry's promise to help foster energy independence.
azurebiodiesel.com
He could do a talk like the one he gave in Smithville, MO yesterday.
(caveat: this technology will require the liberation of industrial hemp, but wouldn't you rather be dependent on Canadians than Arabs?)
The Republicans
Billions in Iraq including one billion in spending unaccounted for..
million to Halliburton for meals not delivered.
Thousands have died in Iraq and Bush cannot even pay them enough respect to be a competent manager.
Bush the man whose idea of fair play for the military was to charge injured soldiers for meals.
And you wonder why we have global warming?
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 08.07.04 - 6:57 pm | #
Dammit, I told my brother not to set it to under 78. Now, just out of the blue, there's a whole in the ozone, just because of the Thompson brothers. Sorry, y'all...we got some Saran Wrap and some duck tape, we'll fix it.
I put things in my pockets all the time. I didn't realize the pocket was elevated to mysterious covert hiding place. And yes Spork, it twas a beutiful day in the 'burgh. Too bad I had to work.
I love it when these fuckers get cornered. They get that coquettish sneer, just like a huffy 12 year old girl; "God! It was just a joke. Whatever!!!"
That's the level of accountability these clowns hold for themselves.
Wile E. Odysseus-
Sorry I wasn't clear-it's just my term to describe the shitstorm of unfounded "scandal" that the right is throwing at Kerry, just like they did Clinton. Of course, the "real" media is more than happy to pass along all this garbage without lifting a finger to see if any of it is true. I see the volume increasing exponentially as we approach November. Krugman described the media's complicity in Clinton's fake scandals perfectly-"the press figured, where there was smoke, there was fire, but all it really was was a bunch of rich guys who bought a smoke machine"
Hole in the ozone, rather. Silly bugger.
Berger was obviously trying to steal the documents which named the pilots that flew cocaine into Mena airstrip and the locations of the bodies of all the people Clinton had killed. You liberals will never make freeperdom if you don't get quicker on the uptake
Selah.
"the flag waving beer drinking chest thumpers"
uhhh. I like beer.
Why must RWWs always lie??? If you have to lie to make a point, then you have no point to make. Their hatred for anyone who dares think/act/speak/look/believe differently from themselves is so overwhelming they'll do anything to crush & oppress them.
RWWs would have LOVED Hitler's Nazi Germany; they could have "informed" on all of us, and everyone else who DARED say one word out of lockstep. I'm convinced that the RWWs would cheer in joy if bush had all us non-RWWs lined up and shot dead into mass graves.
RWWs are a minority in this country and a VAST minority in this world; how lucky for the RWWs that we non-RWWs don't have sick little MFer brains that work the same way as theirs do... And sometimes I think "how unfortunate".
late to the thread.
On-topic? What really pisses me off is how the mainstream nightly news coverage-spin on 527s is that swift boat vets against kerry are the no different as bloggers for kerry. Zero distinction made. The right goes negative, the left goes negative. Neither should be counted.
If Kerry is elected President, it will only be because his supporters are liars and hypocrites.
Though, I suppose, in a metaphysical sense, there could be a "whole in the ozone". The ozone layer is a defined area in the upper atmosphere, that's for sure. And, if one buys the idea of astral projection - that is, projecting the spirit out of the body - and the concept of joining of minds (or astral forms), then that collective mind could be considered a "whole" if individuals are "parts". And it could collect itself in the ozone layer, thuse making a "whole in the ozone".
I'm gonna go get some ice cream.
In what context are they using the phrase "the Clintonization of Kerry?" If it appeared in that thread on FR, I didn't see it, because I could only read the posts in it for a little while before disgust took over.
It must be horrible to go through life hating like that all the time.
Could we put all the freepers and their "friends" at LGF together on a little island after the election? It would be interesting to see how long they would take to turn on each other and ultimately whether or not there would be any survivors.
KGC - Why did the Democrats give the War Keychain to a power-drunk driver?
Why didn't Kerry stand up for the Floridians who got vote-jacked?
I don't care if either one wins or loses...
but it's sad to see the Left becoming the blue-version of the Right.
I repeat:
THEY. ARE. DESPERATE.
Ol' Froth sez:
I put things in my pockets all the time. I didn't realize the pocket was elevated to mysterious covert hiding place. And yes Spork, it twas a beutiful day in the 'burgh. Too bad I had to work.
Still put your foam on the bottom?
.
pie,
I agree; poetry fumigates the trolls.
Try this:
I Thank You
e.e. Cummings
I thak You God[dess] for most this amazing
day for the leaping greenly spirits of trees
and a blue true dream of sky and for everything which is natural which is infinite which is yes
(i who have died am alive again today,
and this is the sun's buthday, this is the birth
day of life and of love and wings and of the gay
great happening illimitably earth)
How should tasting touching hearing seeing
breathing any -- lifted from the no
of all nothing -- human merely being
doubt unimaginable You?
(now the ears of my ears awake and
now the eyes of my eyes are opened)
Some states are red
Some states are blue
Both parties suck...
Fuck you.
Howzthat?
When are Democrats going to stop lying about how blacks were disenfranchised in the 2000 Election? Why don't you people quit chewing Eddie Bernice Johnson's chocolate and start telling the truth?
Oh, yes. Let's have UN observers come and monitor our elections! Only un-American rectal probes would even suggest such a thing!
Berger was obviously trying to steal the documents which named the pilots that flew cocaine into Mena airstrip and the locations of the bodies of all the people Clinton had killed.
What a load of bullshit! Everyone knows Berger was trying to steal the documents that named the engineers of that train Billary hired to run over those two teenage dopers!
Get with the program, buddy-boy...
What irks me about this guy Corsi is that he flaunts his Ph.D. as if it gives him more credibility on his viewpoints. Ugh. Makes me want to renounce the same letters at the end of my name. I don't want to be associated with assholes who use their academic degrees to claim moral superiority to their bigotry.
DB, what are you personally doing to make sure the disenfranchised voter isn't?
Oh, yes. Let's have UN observers come and monitor our elections! Only un-American rectal probes would even suggest such a thing!
Hey, everyone. Remember this comment when Bush loses in November.
Toby, you jerk.
Jeebuz H. Christmas, Atrios! Don't direct me to Freeperville. Just came in from a perfectly divine gardening experience (got the last weeds I'm gonna get and moved plants to a better home) to see this crap. I swear I will never feed another troll. A massive waste of time.
Maybe Corsi got his Ph.D. from one of this mail-order Universities, like the guy who wrote Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus. I have a Doctorate myself, but it's not a Ph.D. but a DMA, a Music degree. I now wish I would have gotten a Ph.D. instead, because I can't claim moral superiority to anyone (except maybe Richard Wagner).
"I don't care if either one wins or loses..."
Ohhh, right, there's no difference. Right. No difference. A few more dead, maybe. But insignificant if you look at the big picture.
What a load of bullshit! Everyone knows Berger was trying to steal the documents that named the engineers of that train Billary hired to run over those two teenage dopers!
As if!
Berger was pilfering the secret vials of SuperClintonSpooge that will be used to genetically engineer the hordes of flying Democrat Monkeys, the secret weapon in the Socialist War on America and Jesus!
Thank God (the GOP one) he was stopped and shipped straight off to Gitmo.
Nice one Hecate. Yes, that's a good day summed up just nicely.
Towanda
I always look at the letters after the name as nothing more than an imperfect filtering mechanism. Your chances of hiring an idiot with a Ph.D. may be lower than your chances of hiring an idiot with a fake GED but plenty of idiots make it through all the screens.
" If Kerry is elected President, it will only be because his supporters are liars and hypocrites."
Toby Petzold
Toby, you misspelled "Bush" up there.
HTH!
HAND!
"Oh, yes. Let's have UN observers come and monitor our elections! Only un-American rectal probes would even suggest such a thing!"
True, and with the UN famous for hating Bush we will have to really scrutinize any polls where those "observers" have been working.
.
PS Is it true what I just heard thru the newswires - that George Prescott Bush has tied the knot?
DB, what are you personally doing to make sure the disenfranchised voter isn't?
I don't mind being dissed by the Franchise, pie, because I don't want to flip burgers for war pigs.
But people who think the US political system stands a chance of reform should try to make sure votes are counted, but let's admit that both parties have histories of all kinds of ballot follies.
The Bush boys did in Florida what the Kennedy's did in Illinois, right?
So when Kerry says he defends voters, I think he should be required to explain why he left so many of them hanging in the wind with chads.
True, and with the UN famous for hating Bush we will have to really scrutinize any polls where those "observers" have been working.. Thug | Email | Homepage | 08.07.04 - 7:19 pm | #
So you are admitting that manipulating election results can be done. Makes me want observers all the more.
The PhD thing is interesting. Among laywers, if you sign yourself "Esquire" you are considered a major jerk. But when you address another lawyer, you add "Esquire" to their name or, again, you're considered a major jerk. With PhDs, IMHO, they add it to their own name, but not necessarily to that of another PhD. Or am I missing something?
Rusty, the major difference between the parties?
One candidate confessed war crimes on TV but wants praise for it now.
The incumbant has had his war crimes televised since taking office.
So, when War Criminals and War Criminals compete for the White House, the President will inevitably be a War Criminal.
What a difference!
Can we all pretend it's Fri. and not feed rabbid animals? Please?
True, and with the UN famous for hating Bush we will have to really scrutinize any polls where those "observers" have been working.
The UN, an organization that's been there to try to help the people of the world (Bush: the people of Sudan are dying. Help them, please!!!)
And you're saying that the UN will influence the US election? When there's so much heartache everywhere else?
Hitler would have loved you.
thanks for that Hecate,
and now one for the trolls...
Listen:
The Flowerburgers
(Part 4)
Baudelaire opened
up a hamburger stand
in San Francisco,
but he put flowers between the buns.
People would come in
and say, "Give me a
hamburger with plenty
of onions on it."
Baudelaire would give
them a flowerburger
instead and the people
would say, "What kind
of hamburger stand is this?"
-Richard Brautigan
DB:
better an ex-war-criminal than a war criminal still committing crimes.
Anyone but Bush, dude.
Corsi might be the funniest king of Free Republic comedy since that Washington Times editor who was killin' em with his routine about Emmett Till whistling at white women.
I dunno. I'm PhD, but it has very little effect on my life, really. Mostly just on my debt load. And I know plenty of PhDs who are baffled by complex processes like loading the copy machine or setting the DVR.
Having said that, I do make my students call me Doctor, because at my grad institution, that's what we called our profs. But I've had non-degreed colleagues use it as a sneer: "Well sorry Ms. DOCTOR!"
Thea -
Uh, your ex-war criminal (and thanks for admitting that he has admitted that he is one) gave the keys to the power-drunk driver.
To my mind, that's criminal endangerment of the planet.
So Mr. Ex isn't fit to lead.
Neither is.
I wonder if Baudelaire used Heinz ketchup...
Oh, justapoem.
I love B. and I loved that poem. I'm going to dig out B. and read him tonight!
I wanna PhD. so I can call myself "Doctor". When people say "Mister Thompson, you're rent is three months late," I'd correct 'em "Ah ah, it's 'Doctor Thompson.'" And I'd get a Ph.D in something goofy like parapsychology or alchemaic history just to mess with people's heads.
I already got a certificate of ordainment from the Universal Church of Life. Filled out the form and sent it in, so I could call myself "The Reverend Doctor Matt Thompson". Sent 'em an extra $10, too, to be able to call myself a "prophet". Ten dollars well spent, I think.
Can we all pretend it's Fri. and not feed rabbid animals? Please?
NYMary,
That's because they're jealous!
Awww, Backslider. You didn't need to pay $10 to become a prophet. We know how prescient you are...
LOL! Pie, are you serious??? The UN is a useless organization that despises Bush for pointing that out about them. And they ain't done shit for the Sudan yet either, (other than have them recently sit on their human rights committee....thats what a joke your UN is)
Yep, I think we are going to need to organize some observers to "observe the observers" in this situation.
Awww, Backslider. You didn't need to pay $10 to become a prophet. We know how prescient you are...
NYMary | Email | Homepage | 08.07.04 - 7:35 pm | #
Nah, if I'm gonna usher in a new age of peace and love delivered by dope, rock & roll and fucking in the streets, I've gotta make sure I've got all my bases covered. Gotta be legit, ya know? Would you trust a prophet with no documentation? Look how trouble that got us into last time.
I read this from Corsi's Freeperville post:
Free Republic is a ground breaking forum, which allows us the free and robust expression of conservative political ideas.
and all I could think was:
All THREE OF THEM!
HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW!
Welcome pfffft back, Corsi!
A HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW!
Frankly, (and veering more and more wackily OT with each post) I can't really see why anyone would pursue a doctorate these days--the academy is moving more and more toward a Manpower model of hiring, heavily dependent on adjuncts (temps). And you don't need a doctorate to adjunct; you just need to fog a mirror. Just one of the charming side effects of the corporate mindset current in academia!
The PhD thing is interesting. Among laywers, if you sign yourself "Esquire" you are considered a major jerk. But when you address another lawyer, you add "Esquire" to their name or, again, you're considered a major jerk. With PhDs, IMHO, they add it to their own name, but not necessarily to that of another PhD. Or am I missing something? Hecate | Email | Homepage | 08.07.04 - 7:22 pm | #
It never hurts to address another Ph.D. as Dr. in a written (including email) communication. Where I work (about 2/3rds of us have the degree) non Ph.D's get stuff all the time addressing them as Ph.D. by someone (usually without a Ph.D.) who does not know if they have one but who does not want to offend.
I use it depending on the situation. At work I use it if I think that it will help increase the probability that some decision maker above me will pay attention to what I have written. I do not use it simply to show I have more degrees than the next guy.
It is also very useful to use "Dr." when making restaurant reservations or before the age of cell phones of having someone paged at K-Mart. It never hurts to use it if you are having trouble getting past some low level gatekeeper when you are trying to reach a medical dr.
Let's have UN observers come and monitor our elections!
Why do we suddenly need UN monitors?I think the people suggesting that are just sore about losing the last election.
(and veering more and more wackily OT with each post)
Well, it's not my fault...
the academy is moving more and more toward a Manpower model of hiring, heavily dependent on adjuncts (temps). And you don't need a doctorate to adjunct; you just need to fog a mirror. Just one of the charming side effects of the corporate mindset current in academia!
Well, that explains the quality of freshman I'm seeing these days.
Thug, you just don't get it.
The UN wouldn't back the invasion of Iraq.
OT
Go read this man's blog:
Arms and Influence
and see what he has to say about the Swifties, the terror alerts, what if Clinton (or his "supporters") had attacked the war records of Bush Sr. or Dole, etc.
Backslider,
You'll always be Herr Doktor to us!
OK, ______ league. I'll admit I've used the title to get medical doctors to call me back....
I come from a pretty solid working-class background (the first in my immediate family to get a BA, let alone a PhD) and I have relatives who are still not quite clear on the fact that I can't write prescriptions. ("Read some Emily Dickinson and and call me in the morning.")
I am a proud adjunct myself, with a debtload extending into my 2 next lives. But I am still glad I got it, don't ask me why. Maybe what the troll meant was some of us are sore about winning the last election.
"With PhDs, IMHO, they add it to their own name, but not necessarily to that of another PhD. Or am I missing something?"
Here's the rule.
If you have a PhD - in formal or official co-respondence, you sign your name Joe Blow, PhD
If you address another PhD, formally or officially, you address him/her as Dr. Blow, or Joe, Blow, PhD
The rule is identical to that used for ministers, married ladies who use the prefix Mrs., all that kind of stuff. It's an honorific. It's used as that.
My bestest favorite tho is when I get mail addressed to Dr. GWPDA, PhD. That's pretty much overkill, to my way of thinking. 'Course, then it's followed by the address in the letter starting out, Dear Dr. GWPDA, PhD: Mostly I don't respond to those letters tho.
The worstest tho is people who introduce themselves as Doctor Blow. As my mama used to say, that doesn't work unless they were given the first name of Doctor. The Queen of England does not introduce herself (of course) as, Hello, I'm Queen Elizabeth. People with earned doctorates, just as ladies who use the honorific Mrs. introduce themselves as Joe Blow or Susie Blow.
It's not tricky til you get into the wonderful world of pretentiousness. When, for example, the single girl PhD in a room full of boy PhDs is the one who is introduced as Susie, whilst the rest are Dr. Jones, Dr. Smith and Dr. Blow. Ah well.
Back to the tamales.
Lovely Hecate. A very nice day for e.e.cummings. How about this one...
i like my body when it is with your body. It is so quite new a thing.
Muscles better and nerves more.
i like your body. i like what it does
i like its hows. I like to feel the spine.
of your body and its bones, and the trembling firm-smoothness and which i will again and again and again
kiss. i like kissing this and that of you, i like, slowly stroking the,
shocking fuzz of your electric furr,
and what-is-it comes over parting flesh...And eyes big love-crumbs,
and possibly i like the thrill
of under me you quite new
The UN wouldn't back the invasion of Iraq.
Will they support Kerry's invasion of Iran?
With PhDs, IMHO, they add it to their own name, but not necessarily to that of another PhD. Or am I missing something?
Flaunting the letters in non-specifically academic settings is about as ridiculous as it would be to go to the supermarket dressed in the goofy hats & gowns you see in commencement processions.
Most PhD's now have pretty narrow specializations; calling yourself a PhD when you're not in your area is gauche. Stephen Jay Gould didn't run around calling himself a PhD; Stephen Hawking doesn't either; hell, Atrios didn't start out Eschaton by saying "I'm Atrios, PhD.!"
Pie, you just don't get it. Whether the UN backed Iraq or not is irrelevent. It simply isn't fit to "send observers" to monitor our elections. It's time is past and it needs to be either disbanded or drastically reduced in scope.
Hitler would have loved you.
pie
That's just a nasty thing to say pie.
Backslider,
You'll always be Herr Doktor to us!
Hecate | Email | Homepage | 08.07.04 - 7:43 pm | #
No, there can be only one, and Lono stills walks the earth. I an unworthy to fill his bowl or clean his guns.
NYMary,
I like to tell this joke-"is there a Doctor in the house, this man is dying?"
"I'm a doctor, and would be glad to write a Requiem in his honor after he dies"
The Republican Covention is coming and we need to get working. First what shall we say about the paragon of Republican values Arnold Schwarzenegger. He doesn't support any of the core cultural values of the Republican party and he hasn't upheld the principles of the party as governor. He lied when he ran for governor and said he would not take special interest money and as of today he has raised more than Gray Davis. His workers comp bill has done nothing for the rate payer and everything for the insurance company. All savings to the rate payers come from Davis' legislation.
We could have saved ourselves the cost of the recall. Schwarzenegger has cost Californians because of his relationship with Ken Lay. He has not been aggressive in getting our money back. And he has gotten nothing for California from Bush. And he is a bully.
What is his role at the party convention? Oh right to promote Hollywood values found right in Hollywood where Arnold lives
" ridiculous as it would be to go to the supermarket dressed in the goofy hats & gowns you see in commencement processions. "
Actually, when I worked for the Army, I really worked to get my fellows to wear our outfits on formal occasions, just so as to show that people other than greensuits have really spiffy uniforms. Nearly did it too - but one of the people was from one of those places that have rather drab ensembles and I think he was embarassed. No velvet or silk or anything.
Atrios didn't start out Eschaton by saying "I'm Atrios, PhD.!"
...and oh how the trolls cried when they found out he wasn't a substitute gym teacher named Gene who also wrote for the Inquirer...
GWPDA,
My female friends who are unmarried PhDs tell me it's impossible to get laid if you have one, even by male PhDs, who seem to like to be looked up to. Personally, I've got my own doc on tap, so it's not an issue, but I wonder about the gender thing here. Maybe Corsi's just trying to get laid with female grad students.
O Bomb I love you
I want to kiss your clank eat your boom
You are a paean an acme of scream
a lyric hat of Mister Thunder
O resound thy tanky knees
BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM
BOOM ye skies and BOOM ye suns
BOOM BOOM ye moons ye stars BOOM
nights ye BOOM ye days ye BOOM
BOOM BOOM ye winds ye clouds ye rains
Go BANG ye lakes ye oceans BING
Barracuda BOOM and cougar BOOM
Ubangi BOOM orangutang
BING BANG BONG BOOM bee bear baboon
ye BANG ye BONG ye BING
the tail the fin the wing
Yes Yes into our midst a bomb will fall
Flowers will leap in joy their roots aching
Fields will kneel proud beneath the halleluyahs of the wind
Pinkbombs will blossom Elkbombs will perk their ears
Ah many a bomb that day will awe the bird a gentle look
Yet not enough to say a bomb will fall
or even contend celestial fire goes out
Know that the earth will madonna the Bomb
that in the hearts of men to come more bombs will be born
magisterial bombs wrapped in ermine all beautiful
and they'll sit plunk on earth's grumpy empires
fierce with moustaches of gold
If Kerry is elected President, it will only be because his supporters are liars and hypocrites.
Dang, that's the funniest thing I've heard or read all week.
Absurd in so many ways, it's a veritable Denkoroku of Freeper Zen.
Petzold Grasshopper, the dharma speaks also from the ten thousand weeds. Quickly, what will you do?
Oh wait, I'm sorry, this thread is about Corsi?
My bad.
Frankly, (and veering more and more wackily OT with each post) I can't really see why anyone would pursue a doctorate these days--the academy is moving more and more toward a Manpower model of hiring, heavily dependent on adjuncts (temps). And you don't need a doctorate to adjunct; you just need to fog a mirror. Just one of the charming side effects of the corporate mindset current in academia! NYMary | Email | Homepage | 08.07.04 - 7:38 pm | #
Even while I was working on it, I had figured out that it was probably not worth it as an investment in terms of total income but that it would give me more flexibility in terms of where and what I worked on. We (my significant other has a Ph.D. as well) had assistantships that enabled us to stay out of debt. I would have made a different decision if loans had been piling up.
It is certainly of no value in dealing with trolls. They simply believe that everyone else is as ignorant and uneducated as they are.
NYMary, what a ghastly idea. The female PhDs I've known tend to hook up with tradesmen of various kinds. It's important in relationships that at least one person be able to earn a living.
I already got a certificate of ordainment from the Universal Church of Life. Filled out the form and sent it in, so I could call myself "The Reverend Doctor Matt Thompson". Sent 'em an extra $10, too, to be able to call myself a "prophet". Ten dollars well spent, I think.
Cool! Now if it ever comes up that we need a wedding done all of a sudden, we know who to call.
Don't you ever get pissed off, though, at the people throwing rocks at you, saying "prophesy! prophesy!" like that's very funny or original?
Um... I'm scared to click the link. What if I get cooties?
Ph.Ds are nothing. You need to be a D.Phil.!!!
NYMary,
I find that little quirk of human nature fascinating. I find it continually stunning that it's a meme in the male mind to find highly educated, intelligent women "threatening". Course, there's a lot of women who have the same mindset (probably with the idea a PhD is only worthy if helps make for a "good provider"), and I doubt there's theoretical physicists having the repair their front doors from the hordes of screaming female fans.
It's weird, but of course, I've got no hard evidence, it's just an idea. I do, however, know I've never got any tail due to my interest in string theory or knowledge of ancient religions. Because of my hair, yes.
GWPDA, they tell me that tradesmen are even more freaked out by smart women. In a bar situation, you can occasionally drag the conversation out by vaguely responding "I teach," to the inevitable question, but they'll eventually ask you where. i believe them, though it's not my experience.
_____ league, my SO and I were funded, too, but we went to school in a major east coast city, and so there was no way to pay rent on our funding, alas. I shudder to think what the debt would have been without the assistantships. He's got tenure (but no contract--thanks, academy!), but I'm an adjunct at 2 schools.
Cool! Now if it ever comes up that we need a wedding done all of a sudden, we know who to call.
Yep, I am your man. I almost got to perform my drummer's ceremony cause the judge got lost, but she eventually found the ceremony. I've offered a couple times, but no one takes me up. I tell 'em I'll say whatever they want me to say for $200. I'll do the ceremony for free, however, if they let me say whatever I please. For some reason, that hangs 'em up.
Don't you ever get pissed off, though, at the people throwing rocks at you, saying "prophesy! prophesy!" like that's very funny or original?
Thersites | Email | Homepage | 08.07.04 - 7:56 pm | #
Ehh, you get used to it. Mostly I just get odd looks and the occasional "Hey, can I buy some pot from you?" inquiry.
Backslider:
know I've never got any tail due to my interest in string theory or knowledge of ancient religions. Because of my hair, yes.
You're not going out in the right places, then. I find nothing as attractive as a man who knows something interesting. It doesn't even have to be in the lovemaking department.
FWIW, Backslider, Thersites and I were married by a blind Irish judge in a bar in Queens--he did it for 2 pints of Guinness. I swear I am not shitting you.
You're not going out in the right places, then.
Echidne | Email | Homepage | 08.07.04 - 8:04 pm | #
Well, that's for damn sure. One of my female co-workers asked me why I don't date. I told her I don't meet anyone worth the damn trouble because I don't go anywhere but rock shows and work, and they sure ain't coming to me. Probably wouldn't let 'em in the door if they did, cause that's weird.
FWIW, Backslider, Thersites and I were married by a blind Irish judge in a bar in Queens--he did it for 2 pints of Guinness. I swear I am not shitting you.
NYMary | Email | Homepage | 08.07.04 - 8:05 pm | #
That. Is. Awesome.
If this gets double posted, forgive me. Haloscan is jammin' and I can't tell if hitting the Ok button works.
Hecate: My sis-in-law has a Phd in psychology and constantly refers to herself as Dr. when making reservations or introductions. All my MD friends find this crude and self serving, given the long years and grueling training they endured to get their "Dr." It is considered crass, at best to use this distinction over a *mere* Phd.
On the honorifics: since my doctorate isn't actually a Ph.D., I can't do the suffix thing without it looking weird. And I don't use 'Dr' in situations where it'd be, well, dumb, such as when booking plane tickets where it's important to distinguish the doctors of medicine from, say, those with doctorates in literature.
But I prefer the 'Dr' prefix, actually, to the 'Ph.D.' suffix, because the latter seems designed to say 'I'm smart' rather than 'I have a doctorate'. But that's in written communication, rather than spoken.
One semi-related thing about titles: a couple of my friends have parents who received knighhoods after I first met them. Now that's a tricky one: you go from
'This is my dad.'
'Hello, Mr [last name], pleased to meet you.'
to
'Of course, you've met my dad.'
'Good to see you again.... Mr, er....'
because 'Mr [last name]' has become 'Sir [first name]', and it's really fucking weird to call a friend's dad 'Sir'.
It's weird, but of course, I've got no hard evidence, it's just an idea. I do, however, know I've never got any tail due to my interest in string theory or knowledge of ancient religions. Because of my hair, yes.
Umm,backslider, I actually slept with Dr. Spinnaker (theortical physicist) in no small part because of his brains. Since he is bald, the hair thing was not a variable. Nope, it was definetly his interest in string theory.
Now that is a quirk.
Echidne sez:
Ph.Ds are nothing. You need to be a D.Phil.!!!
Nobody needs to be a D. Phil.
"As Whitehead opined..."
Oof.
.
Personally, I find female PhDs most intriguing. And, sometimes, lonely.
Some of them, however, look at me askance when they discover that I never bothered to finish my higher education. To some folks, being well-read and widely-travelled is no substitute for that sheepskin.
Ah, well. Friends are where you find them.
If this gets double posted, forgive me. Haloscan is jammin' and I can't tell if hitting the Ok button works.
Hecate: My sis-in-law has a Phd in psychology and constantly refers to herself as Dr. when making reservations or introductions. All my MD friends find this crude and self serving, given the long years and grueling training they endured to get their "Dr." It is considered crass, at best to use this distinction over a *mere* Phd.
RE: the war criminal vs. war criminal riff:
IIRC, Kerry's testimony before Congress was based on meetings with other veterans and the war crimes he reported in his testimony were culled from the collected comments of all of those veterans. Did Kerry say he participated in any specific activity? I know he said he witnessed some things. Someone please clarify, or if you know of a link that lays out the actual facts, please post it. My recollections are from something I read in the past, can't recall where I read it.
"Sorry pie, but being legalistic doesn't change anything. He may not be charged, but that doesn't change the fact he put classified documents in his jacket and pants (his lawyer Lanny Davis later denied he put any in his sock, which an unnamed archive worker claimed he saw) and left with them. What was he up to??"
-Thug
Ahhh, I see you're back to watching the Daredevil DVD, trying to prove alligators live in the sewers again. Lots of "unnamed clerks "see" alligators in the sewers. Lots of "unnamed clerks "see" alien abductions and UFOs, too.
All my MD friends find this crude and self serving, given the long years and grueling training they endured to get their "Dr." It is considered crass, at best to use this distinction over a *mere* Phd.
Ah, all my doctor-of-medicine friends (who have the BM, BCh as their clinical degrees) don't give a toss. Because we all know that while they worked hard for six years, they also played hard as well.
Perhaps there's a difference in attitude between those who study medicine in the UK (start at 18, go into the NHS and become public sector workers) and those in the US (start after college, spend a six-figure sum on med-school, go into private practice).
And intelligent, academic women rock. Seriously.
(Tossing a bit of bread to trolls, remember that Thug doesn't know that clothes have pockets, because he's used to wearing straightjackets and adult diapers.)
Umm,backslider, I actually slept with Dr. Spinnaker (theortical physicist) in no small part because of his brains. Since he is bald, the hair thing was not a variable. Nope, it was definetly his interest in string theory.
Now that is a quirk.
genoasail | Email | Homepage | 08.07.04 - 8:12 pm | #
Hey, there's always exceptions. Good for you...and hell, good for him!
As for the "hair variable", I have really, really long hair, and women dig the shit out of long hair. It's a bit frightening, to be honest.
Hecate, you still around? Do JDs use the JD? Anyone else know this?
I also wonder--I don't have less education than an MD, but I make a lot less money. Two years for the MA, three for the PhD, years of lectureships and assistant professorships and adjuncting, which has got to be as grueling as a residency--why on earth would they be offended that we let people call us doctor?
Backslider, you sure it's the the hair and not the guitar? Just curious.
My sis-in-law has a Phd in psychology and constantly refers to herself as Dr. when making reservations or introductions. All my MD friends find this crude and self serving, given the long years and grueling training they endured to get their "Dr." It is considered crass, at best to use this distinction over a *mere* Phd. bigvic | Email | Homepage | 08.07.04 - 8:13 pm | #
Some MD's also throw "Dr" around in a crude and self-serving manner. MD's are also sometimes considered mere "technicians" by Ph.D's. The snobbery can go both ways. The MDs also do not have any lock on the "long years and grueling training" claim.
Jennifer - The starting point is the book by John Kerry and the Vietnam Veterans against the war (VVAW). I read it when it was first published as my best friend had an older brother in Vietnam.
The book was a compilation of one page essays by soldiers (with name and rank) who had served in Vietnam, and they each stated the atrocities they had witnessed. Many of the stories were about killing unarmed women and children, putting flares in womens vagina's and blowing the top of their heads off, etc.
My understanding was Kerry recounted some of these stories in a Senate hearing.
Backslider, you sure it's the the hair and not the guitar? Just curious.
NYMary | Email | Homepage | 08.07.04 - 8:22 pm | #
I'm a bass player. The bass player never gets the chicks. Sides, I'm in a roots-rock band with a "sensitive, emotionally vuenerable" singer-songwriter, and that's the ultimate in cock blocking. Now, when I played harmonica in blues bands, now that's a different story.
Echidne - I was a C.Phil! It was cool, 'cause every time I used it I flashed on this .... Guy walks into a True Value, looking for a gizmo. He asks the clerk in front, who says, "I dunno - go into the back there and see Phil...."
"the flag waving beer drinking chest thumpers"
mmmmm beer!
Backslider -
Sadly, yes. I've always thought bass guitarists were second only to mandolin players in the zero chick magnet category.
However, there is always the rare exception to the rule, and I think you could could be the start of a whole a new breed. Babes for bass!
*
Wasn't Paul McCartney a bass player? God knows George never got the chicks...
However, there is always the rare exception to the rule, and I think you could could be the start of a whole a new breed. Babes for bass!
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Jenny from the Blog | Email | Homepage | 08.07.04 - 8:30 pm | #
Not me. I'm a big goofy fucker on-stage and off. I have the singular inability to NOT rattle off at the mouth and tell jokes when I get in front of a microphone. I even got told to button it when we played a political rally.
My brother's the sex symbol in the family and, appropriately enough, the guitar player. He's got that whole "quiet, shy music genius" thing going.
OT - FORT BRAGG, North Carolina (CNN) -- The fifth day of military hearings for Pfc. Lynndie England on charges connected to the abuse of prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad included a defense request for Vice President Dick Cheney to appear as a witness."
Sure. I'll take a front row seat for that.
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Personally, I always preferred Lennon myself--the smart, brooding misanthrope. Not healthy, of course...
And, as always - once, whilst waiting for the elevator at the UCLA Medical Center, I was surrounded by a bunch of youngish MDs waiting - flippantly had to point out that as a PhD in history, I had MORE years of study, MORE courses, MORE exams and MORE bloody everything than they did and, to boot, the one thing they would never, ever have. I would never be called out to solve an urgent issue concerning the Battle of Tannenburg. No one would ever call me up in the middle of the night to explain Haig's theory of military action. I would be able to get a good night's sleep when they were wandering around trying to remember how things were connected to other things.
I won.
Backslider -
I've been meaning to ask you this for a while.
Steve Earle... pompous and over-rated? I think his lyrics are pretentious and I judge him harshly because he's so full of himself. He is NOT the new Dylan.
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Thea:
Yep, it's true, George "Pee" Bush has tied the knot.
Meanwhile, Alexandra, Vanessa, and Cate remain blessedly single.
"Ph.D. Corsi?"
Has anyone checked out this guy's academic credentials?
Because he strikes me as the kind of person who would invent an academic background or would buy a diploma from a mill.
Reason being: he's a liar, an idiot, and he uses the letters p, h, and d whenever possible.
NYMary:
Speaking as a J.D. myself, my experience has been that we don't use that degree in the practice of law, although occasionally you'll see the "Esq." suffix. This remains true in law schools, where the professors typically go by "Professor."
However, in the non-law school academic world, which is where I work, it's a bit more prevalent to see the "J.D.," or even "Dr.," in use. As an advancement (alumni relations and development) officer, I use the J.D. on correspondence and my business cards because it tends to carry a little weight among the prospective donors (many of whom themselves are attorneys) with whom I visit. However, when I worked in the same capacity for the education school at a large university, I didn't use it. For me, it depends on the audience.
Curiously, in my current position, I get called "Dr.," which never has happened before. I did know a J.D. at one of my previous schools who taught on the undergraduate level and who went by "Dr."
And, just to keep it on topic, Corsi, Ph.D., is an asshat.
And, as always - once, whilst waiting for the elevator at the UCLA Medical Center, I was surrounded by a bunch of youngish MDs
I was once at a NY Finger Lakes wine festival, tasting the good stuff under the Dr. Konstantin Frank tent. A very inebriated youngish guy came up next to me and accosted the winery guy behind the table, yelling out "hey, is this Frank guy a real doctor, or does he only have a goddamn PhD!" The winery guy said, "I have a PhD, sir. Would you like to try something?" When Dr. Frank had left, the drunk guy looks at me and says, "well, right, I shouldn't have yelled at him, but you gotta know that the only real doctors are MDs. Right?"
I told him that I had a PhD, and he was so embarrassed he bought me a bottle of Coho Red. Schweet.
Then George Pataki showed up. True story.
Their hatred for anyone who dares think/act/speak/look/believe differently from themselves is so overwhelming they'll do anything to crush & oppress them.
Exactly! And why in the world is the media not making a bigger deal about Bush/Cheney setting up all kinds of draconian rules to attend their rallies? Who ever did that kind of thing before??
NYMary:
Wasn't Paul McCartney a bass player?
Yes. One of the chunkiest ever. Like right now, I've got the bass line from "Old Brown Shoe" pumping through my brains.
But will any of you admit that it doesn't matter to the Democrats that John Kerry is lying to them and the rest of the country about his ability to "restore" our "credibility"? Won't you just admit that he could lie about any number of major issues and you wouldn't call him on it for anything because the only thing that matters to you is that George W. Bush be defeated? That is why I say you pinkos are unprincipled hypocrites.
Then George Pataki showed up. True story.
I smell a Saturday Night Live skit. The good kind, I mean.
Wasn't Paul McCartney a bass player? God knows George never got the chicks...
NYMary | Email | Homepage | 08.07.04 - 8:32 pm | #
Exception to the rule, plus you gotta through in the "lead singer" factor. Fuckin' killer bass player, at any rate.
Steve Earle... pompous and over-rated? I think his lyrics are pretentious and I judge him harshly because he's so full of himself.
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Jenny from the Blog | Email | Homepage | 08.07.04 - 8:37 pm | #
Actually, I love Steve Earle's music. His 1986 album Guitar Town was a stupendous moment in my life. I was 12, so I was ripe for the "James Dean" effect, plus the raw, gritty sound and emotion cut through the high-glossed glean of then country radio. He's gotten better every record, in my opinion, up to Jerusalme, the latest one, where he let politics overrule his art. Which is okay, since it was supposed to be a political album.
And his politics I agree with, so there's no problem there. However, he's in serious danger of having his public identity overwhelm his music. Like I've said before, as an American citizen, he's got every right to state his opinion and use every means at his disposal - including his music - to get that opinion out to the public.
However, he's becoming dangerously polemic, in my opinion, in that he's writing songs that club you over the head with a message. His next record is title Revolution Starts Now, for cryin' out loud. Thing is, he's written so many good political songs - like "Billy Austin", "The Rains Came" and most of the Copperhead Road album - that are so much more effective than the stuff he's doing now.
It used to be like Woody or Springsteen; stories that described his ideology, rather than songs about his ideology. Hopefully, he'll get a reign on it soon, or I'll definately share your opinion. For now, though, I still think he's an important artist and one of modern pop music's finest lyricists.
He is NOT the new Dylan.
I hate, Hate, HATE that phrase. There was only one Dylan. There's only one John Prine. There's only one Prince. There's only one Scott Miller. There's only one Mike Scott. No one can remake what makes Dylan such an effective artist, because there's simply so many variables (lyrics, themes, style, vocals, attitude) that it's impossible to reproduce them all in perfect mimicry. And it's a lazy dodge by music critics; anyone who you see described as a "new Dylan" either means s/he's so wordy the tunes are unlistenable (thus a boon to critics) or s/he's a really good lyricist, but the critic's such a lousy writer and can't come up with a way to properly describe the music.
Sorry for the rant. Pet peave of mine.
unprincipled hypocrites
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Hahahahahaha!
Ahahaha .... hahaha ... haha ...
whew ...
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Stop! You're killing me!
That is why I say you pinkos are unprincipled hypocrites.
Booooorrrrrrrrrrrrring.
"But will any of you admit that it doesn't matter to the Democrats that John Kerry is lying to them and the rest of the country about his ability to "restore" our "credibility"? "
And you know this is a lie because...???
"Won't you just admit that he could lie about any number of major issues and you wouldn't call him on it for anything because the only thing that matters to you is that George W. Bush be defeated?"
No. Nothing to admit to.
You seem to be unable to differeniate between Communist sympathizers and Democrats.
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However, he's in serious danger of having his public identity overwhelm his music.
I got a dose of him a few years back, it was a "Dead Man Walking" benefit, the anti-death penalty nun (forgot her name) was the organizer. Tim Robbins, Eddie Vedder, Tom Waits, Steve Earle, etc. Great, great night, but he stuck out like a sore thumb. Just seemed kinda dumb and pendantic to me. I don't follow his music so I admit I can't really give an informed critical opinion, but that night his songs were most sophomoric.
As to the "new Dylan". I agree with your impatience. So many critics have given him that crown and, since there never will be another Dylan, it is just lazy writing, as you say.
Steve Earle just bugs me.
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oops. tags again. *sigh*
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Thersites- I find that quiet references to barbers tend to damp down the MD's.
JDs only use the letters when we are being described in a seminar brochure----other than that it is never used in correspoondence (in salutation or signature). My niece is getting her pharmacy degree and will be a PhD of some sort when she has finished. We have decided to require everyone else to address us as "Doctress" at family dinners after that! (We would need a medical MD to treat the concussions from dinner rolls to the head)
JDs only use the letters when we are being described in a seminar brochure----other than that it is never used in correspoondence (in salutation or signature). My niece is getting her pharmacy degree and will be a PhD of some sort when she has finished. We have decided to require everyone else to address us as "Doctress" at family dinners after that! (We would need a medical MD to treat the concussions from dinner rolls to the head)
Jenny,
I can understand that. His song for that movie, "Ellis Unit One", is awesome - particularly the version that features the Five Blind Boys Of Alabama - but he can come across as an agitator. There's a good two-disc collection called Ain't Ever Satisfied that's a really good chronicle of his pre-prison days (he really didn't climb on the soapbox like he is now until he did a stint for drugs).
Pick it up, and I think you'll get a clearer understanding concerning the big deal about Earle. He may be coasting on that stuff, as my brother believes, but it's damn good shit to be coasting on.
Well, just me, tell me one reason to believe that John Kerry can convince the French to send troops to Iraq. We don't need them, of course, but tell me how Kerry could accomplish that.
Fact is, he can't. He's LYING. And no one in your camp is going to dare question him because you know that he's lying and still don't care.
That is something to be condemned.
Petzold Grasshopper, all humans are liars and hypocrites.
Or not.
< / uncontrollable laughter >
Backslider -
A compromise. I'll see what's available to preview on my itunes. That's as far as I'll go for Earle...
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In the summer of 1971, John Kerry, who was still a lieutenant in the United States Navy, went to Paris and met privately with the Viet Cong negotiators there. Why did he do that? Would any of you ask him why he took it upon himself to do such a thing? It sounds like treason.
"Fact is, he can't. He's LYING. And no one in your camp is going to dare question him because you know that he's lying and still don't care."
And you know this because...???
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klangfarben, your pseudo-Taoist nonsense is lame. Give it up.
just me, you lose. I asked you a question and you don't have the stuff to make an answer.
Toby, you're right. I think we should just put John Kerry in prison right now. He's a criminal, probably the worst of this century, or probably in the history of the world. Hang him high!
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"klangfarben, your pseudo-Taoist nonsense is lame. Give it up."
Fact, is, Toby, you just made this up.
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A compromise. I'll see what's available to preview on my itunes. That's as far as I'll go for Earle...
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Jenny from the Blog | Email | Homepage | 08.07.04 - 9:02 pm | #
Try to stick to the earlier stuff, pre-I Feel Alright, before 1996 or so. I think you'd like that better than what's on El Corazon or Transcendental Blues. More straight-forward guitar rock-ish fare.
"just me, you lose. I asked you a question and you don't have the stuff to make an answer."
Fact is, Toby, you haven't answered my first question. You lose.
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Yip yip yip.
why can't u people just ignore this
'pretzel' guy?...he can choke on stupidity like his dumb ass preznit for all i care... we should all start igoring him from now on, at least until he starts making some sense
*Sigh*
Perhaps you mean, "live it up?" As in, "Celebrate the madness and imperfection of all sentient beings?"
Petzold, all humans *are* liars and hypocrites, in one way or another. Like it or don't, it's just how the poor critters are wired.
What you do with that fact is entirely up to you.
Guess we can add Ph.D.-talk to weather and poetry as topics that make the trolls go away.
They're probably driven of by lack of any personal experience on the subject.
What a sad thing - that education, knowledge, is enough to drive away the babies. We've been very bad I guess.
Sorry about all that. Once in a while one has to mirror obnoxious behavior back at the perpetrator.
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Why did John Kerry meet with Madame Binh in Paris during the Peace talks in 1971? That's got to be the biggest WTF I've read about in weeks. Do y'all know about this? I know you don't care about it, but did you know about it?
No matter. John Kerry stands for subsuming the United States into the greater authority of the United Nations. His election would be the greatest triumph for Leftist defeatism in more than a quarter-century.
Oh Toby, go rest. You're overwrought.
Try to stick to the earlier stuff, pre-I Feel Alright, before 1996 or so. I think you'd like that better than what's on El Corazon or Transcendental Blues. More straight-forward guitar rock-ish fare.
Backslider
All three of those albums are plenty good. They don't have the country sound of his earlier stuff but the songwriting is excellent. I Feel Alright is probably the best of them with El Corazon a close second.
JftB- I think her name is Sister Helen Prejean.
Toby: you have a link to back up your allegations, right? I mean, a legit one, not from the Not-So-Swift-Boaters or the Freepers or Fox News or whatever.
Didn't think so. What a sad thing it must be, thinking about waking up Nov. 3 to the banner headlines of the Kerry landslide. Nighty night.
All three of those albums are plenty good. They don't have the country sound of his earlier stuff but the songwriting is excellent. I Feel Alright is probably the best of them with El Corazon a close second.
electionthief | Email | Homepage | 08.07.04 - 9:31 pm |
From that era, yeah. Transcendental Blues was about three songs too long - it was a smart move to make Jerusalem a rather concise album - and while it had some good tunes on it, the bluegrass experiment The Mountain I feel was a bit of a mistake. However, it did introduce a lot of people to the glory that is The Del McCoury Band.
Still, I don't think any of 'em was better than Copperhead Road as a total album. The Hard Way may be a better collection of songs - includes Steve's best "protest" song "Billy Austin" - but its muddy productuion wieghs it down terribly. And, frankly, it rarely gets better than the opening verse of "Guitar Town": "Hey, pretty baby, are you ready for me?/It's your good rockin' daddy down from Tennessee."
Awesome. My band's covered a couple Earle songs, including "Copperhead Road", where our guitar player gets to go nuts on mandolin and I wind up singing because the lead singer forgets the damn words every single FUCKING TIME!!!
Sorry.
Toby writes "His election would be the greatest triumph for Leftist defeatism in more than a quarter-century."
Love it or leave it ... love it or LEAVE IT ...
Love it
leave it
Love it
leave it
And in other news, Japan defeated China again, but I think this time Japan passed on the whole post-win rape and plunder bit.
Backslider:
Much as like Earle's social justice anthems, and crankers like "Copperhead Road," I'm more in tune with his songs about ordinary folks and their ordinary predicaments.
When my band wants to cool down the audience after a couple rockers, we segue into "You're Still Standing There." Provokes bemusement and head-nodding.
Meanwhile, if not for Mr Earle, I might not have "met" some of his songwriting contemporaries, like Richard Shindell, Dar Williams, Buddy and Julie Miller, and the rest of the Axis of Emmylou.
Great social-justice and redemption songwriters, all of them.
klangfarben,
Yeah, I love the lonesome country songs, too, my favorite being "My Old Friend The Blues". He did a lot of "angry young man" songs like, well, "Angry Young Man" off Exit 0 that were almost theme songs of my teenage years. My dad had Elvis; I had Steve Earle.
Of the folks you mentioned, the only one who's really crunk me up is Julie Miller. She makes some damn fine stuff. Her old man's stuff is okay, but for some reason, it really doesn't grab me all that much. And Dar Williams does a killer cover of Nick Lowe's "All Men Are Liars".
Go Corsi; go Swiftvets! Expose John Fraud Kerry, before he destroys our country and its borders, language, and culture.
Old joke:
B.S. - Bullshit
M.S. - More shit
PhD. - Piled higher & deeper
Selah.
keefer, they crawling into your hole, boy?
No. They above you, boy. Way above you.
Yah, Julie Miller gets me going too. I was started, recently, to find out how many folks cover her tunes.
Wish I'd had Earle in my teens. Still, I had Beethoven. Quite angry and subversive, in his own way.
Keefer,
Where did you ever get the idea that racist trash like you is a good American?
The poorest, more wretched immigrant has more to offer this country than you.
Truly. Be afraid. Be very afraid, because you just can't cut it.
Upthread Jennifer posted:
RE: the war criminal vs. war criminal riff:
IIRC, Kerry's testimony before Congress was based on meetings with other veterans and the war crimes he reported in his testimony were culled from the collected comments of all of those veterans. Did Kerry say he participated in any specific activity? I know he said he witnessed some things. Someone please clarify, or if you know of a link that lays out the actual facts, please post it. My recollections are from something I read in the past, can't recall where I read it.
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But I wasn't talking about the Senate Hearings.
I was talking about Meet The Press on April 18, 1971, which was excerpted when Kerry was on MTP earlier this year. Did you not watch it?
Here's what Kerry said for and of himself, not letters of other people :
MR. CROSBY NOYES (Washington Evening Star): Mr. Kerry, you said at one time or another that you think our policies in Vietnam are tantamount to genocide and that the responsibility lies at all chains of command over there. Do you consider that you personally as a Naval officer committed atrocities in Vietnam or crimes punishable by law in this country?
SEN. KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down. And I believe that the men who designed these, the men who designed the free fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals.
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Of course, this is Kryptonite, so it's no wonder that most Dems would rather forget it, pretend it never happened or try to make it into something other than what it is.
Better luck next time.
DB, you can say what you want about what men do when they go to war.
I don't know what Kerry did or didn't do, and either do you.
You ought to thank your lucky stars that you were never put in that position.
You didn't live then.
Your moralizing is a fucking bore.
Excellent job, Anonymous!
You have made it clear that YOU don't believe Kerry even when he goes on national television and confesses to his own atrocities.
Was I there? No, and I'd never be.
I'd rather go to jail. That takes REAL courage.
How much courage did it take for Kerry to kill the innocent and commit war crimes like a dog being commanded to fetch?
How much courage did it take for you to blatantly ignore his televised confession which I've provided a transcript of as requested by Jennifer?
Your immoralizing is the fucking bore, schmuck.
Keep denying reality.
You're obviously not fit for it...
just as Kerry and Bush are not fit for crossing guard let alone President.
Sorry, but I really have to ask, Anonymouse.
Why don't you trust Kerry to tell the truth?
He said he committed atrocities but you act as though he did not and claim that his actions are unknowable.
Why can't you believe your candidate?
THERE IS ONLY ONE GODJESUS, WHICH IS GODJESUS, AND HE IS GODJESUS!
Ahianne -
Yes~ thanks so much for reminding me... she was a wonderful, eloquent speaker that evening...
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He said he committed atrocities...
...I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire.
Any soldier in any war, if honest, would say the same thing.
DB, you are out of your element. You aren't in a position to judge any soldier in any war until you have to go to one yourself. You're so laughable.
BTW, who would your candidate be?
You're the one out of your element, Anon, since we are discussing reality and facts.
You are now claiming that ALL soldiers commit war crimes?
I see, so once it's proven (contrary to willed ignorance or the regular kind) that Kerry DID claim to have committed atrocities, you will now accuse ALL soliders of committing them?
My, aren't you generous?
Now you say that unless I commit war crimes I have no right to judge those who confess to committing war crimes?
Again, stay in the shallow end, Anon, you obviously weren't built for depth.
Candidate? Why would I support any candidate? None of them (except a few Libertarians here and there) promise to dismantle the War on Drugs which, yes, I have been a POW of.
Haven't we all?
Speaking of which, this Reason Magazine article is telling:
his Is Kerry On Drugs
Starve a peasant, feed a terrorist
by Mike Krause and Dave Kopel
I'm sure you'll enjoy it, Anon.
I take back.
It deals with reality and facts and you've shown a clear penchant for fiction and forgetfulness.
Alas...
DB,
I guess you don't understand the concept of what kind of hell you put a soldier when you send him into a free fire zone.
The entire Vietnam War was an atrocity. I have never met a man or woman who came back from Vietnam not damaged by what he or she saw or did there.
But then again, when one approaches politics as a play dirty video game, where winning is everything, it isn't surprising that people are willing to use people like you to do their dirty work. The concept of real people being forced to participate in the human tragedy like Vietnam, and now Iraq.....
Well....you just better hope that Bush loses, and there isn't a draft. Your life may depend on that.
Fuck you very much.
(Still hotly contested is whether Berger also stuffed top-secret documents in his socks.)
The Blue Sperm
Spermy old chap, if you're going to post Ann Coulter's rants here, you might do her the favor of crediting her. Otherwise, people might mistake her brand of deranged stupidity for yours...and that wouldn't be fair to either of you.
Sure, I do, Nancy!
I understand it so well that I fight to keep any and all people from engaging in the unnecessary wars of Empire, which is all of them.
Why don't you do that since you have such a firm grasp on the fact that war is atrocious?
Maybe you're too busy listening to those Dick Cheney 'Power Speaking' tapes.
Frankly, I don't care who wins, and a draft is just as likely in either administration.
Think of it...
The Kerry Draft.
Awesome.
Remind me again where Sandy did hide them?
Sure, I do, Nancy!
I understand it so well that I fight to keep any and all people from engaging in the unnecessary wars of Empire, which is all of them.
... a draft is just as likely in either administration.
Be hep to the jive, mah babies. New meme: As bad as you think W. is, Kerry intends to do the exact same things, if he gets in there. BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL THE SAME.
The sign of one really fucking desperate campaign, on the part of the imcumbetent. Look for more of it to come, from a media whore near you!
Remind me again where Sandy did hide them?
DB
Yup. They can never stay in character for more than 24 hours.
From Free Republic:
If he was actually stuffing things into his pants and/or socks he is guilty of far more than "poor judgment".
If there is video of this, he's so done.
4 posted on 07/21/2004 12:52:46 AM PDT by DB (©)
Funny coincidence...yes?
So you're contending, Barry, that doubling the Special Forces, as Kerry has promised ad nauseum, will clear up the need for grunts?
Is that your meme?
Good luck.
Yeah, such convincing proof, Philalethes!
Since only Freak Rethuglick has carried the sock/bvd stuffing claims, right? It wasn't ON EVERY MAJOR MEDIA OUTLET IN AMERICA, was it?
Why are you reading trash like that anyway?
Oh, I almost forgot...
Apparently I'm the only person in the history of the internet to use the handle DB, too, right?
You're sadder than I thought possible.
Yeah, such convincing proof, Philalethes!
I said it was a "funny coincidence," not "convincing proof."
You might not be a FReeper...you may be nothing more than a garden-variety asshole with delusions of grandeur. I don't really care either way. I just thought I'd post what I found, and let people draw their own conclusions. If you don't like it, you're more than welcome to lump it.
What's sad is we'd put money on BD being a low-grade order-executing freeper a long time before we saw that.
What's sad is that you lost your money on that bet, r&y.
Better luck at the dog track.
Remember, don't eat them.
DB: Stop spewing ur bull crap moralistic arguments here...by the very nature of wars, u can claim that any soldier has committed atrocities and in that case, lets call all soldiers from time immemorial war criminals... with regards to Kerry, he said he did what everybody else did and he realized it was the wrong way to conduct a war and he came home to challenge those same policies so please stop ur bull shit already...
To everybody, IGNORE this guy, he is just trying to show off..he has been spamming this thread already...stupid ITK
Now, your greenshirt trolls aren't big on the socks-stuffing thing. But your freeper trolls repeat this ad nauseam, with their other usual tics, like being incapable of distinguishing "your" from "you're," thinking that lots of exclamation marks are the Hallmark of Quality Disputation, the very short sentences indicative of an inability to think beyond soundbites. DB suffers mostly from the third of these.
It would be instructive to compile an Eschaton Troll Bestiary, to catalogue the various freepi, mishits, greenshirts, outrageazoids, faux-resonables, and the other assorted trash that floats up on htese shores. Historical references could be made to the olden days of, say "Walter Cronkite," and their various ignominious demises.
Not so much a demonology, a verminology.
ROIGHT, that is bald as GODJESUS's head RACISM!
Meanwhile, hairy, un[der]bathed, lazy, social services devoid, third-worlder-with-luck, compulsively violent, self-destructively arrogant American, make sure you chew your beef thoroughly. Japanese beef standards are the highest in the world. Americans, who trustingly place their food standards in the hands of the beef producers, effectively do not have standards-in fact, when you idiots discover mad cow disease in your slaughterhouses, you shut down the inspection but continue the production!
Gordon the Moron has a great idea:
Don't vote for War Criminals.
Indeed, that's all I've advocated.
Thersites continues to perpetrate Philalethes false claims about me and tries to add big words to make his bullshit smell like butter pecan. Keep spooning yourself.
As a vegan, I don't eat beef. I hate to think I'm contributing to world starvation by doing so, forcing people to resort to other ways to satisfy their lust for ingesting flesh.
I recommend 'Meet Your Meat' by Peta, which is good if you're not sickened by the images or the sound of Alec Baldwins' voice.
After that shit-loving accusations you made against me, r&y, I thought I'd give you a taste of your medicinal doggie biscuit.
Now, why don't you go bash whoever posted the 'Engrish' website.
I mean, you seem capable of being fair when you want to.
Bad grammer:
I hate to think I'm contributing to world hunger, so I don't eat beef.
I love bok choy, though.
DB: You are now claiming that ALL soldiers commit war crimes?
ALL soldiers who fight in wars commit atrocities. War is, by its nature, atrocious.
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Jeff, are you saying that's what Kerry meant when he said that he had personally committed war crimes?
Then why would he ever vote for war again, especially those advocated by Bush?
Jeffraham Prestonian: Thanx for pointing out my point to him...He obviously did not understand the logic in my post.. reductio ad absurdum
This Sunday's LA Times has a good story on the Navy archives backing up Kerry and explaining the lies of the professional Kerry haters
If you live in one of the three states where the ads are running
please send the stations a copy of the article...I've tried to do this
and am link impaired but it's not hard to find
Your point remains unclear, Gordon, unless you are denying a difference between your claim that all soldier are war criminals if we accept as true the testimony of a soldier who confesses on TV that he committed atrocities.
Soldiers have a duty to resist tyranny in their own countries in my opinion.
If you think they don't have a duty to do so, you must not think much of them in any case.
DB: Are u then saying it is ok to be a soldier as long as u reist tyranny in your own country? Would u then not have any problems with JK or any other soldier for that matter as long as it is against tyranny in their country? I guess that means u can draw lines somewhere, i thot u wre making a principled stand against soldiering period
I'm an ABD from the University of Chicago, and my sister's a PhD from UNC at Greensboro--the fambly thought I was the one destined for the doctorate, but my comic-book-writing career started to take off while I was struggling with my dissertation--Medieval German Literature, don'cher know--and I realized that going through all that sweat just for the goofy pleasure of putting "Ph.D." in Dr. Strange credits was not worth it.
Interestingly, my sister is living in Switzerland, where they are so respectful of titles that she gets a substantial pay boost for the pharmaceutical firm she works for, even though her Ph.D's in sociology....
No, Gordon, I made a principled stand against voting for War Criminals in general, whether they admit they are one, as Kerry did, or whether they refuse to acknowledge their guilt, as is the case with Bush.
I would advise all human beings to have nothing to do with the US military unless they intend to dismantle it.
I guess the U.S. govt. should have sent people like you to go and arrest Osama in Afghan. then. Maybe u think we should have left him alone after 9/11?
Thersites continues to perpetrate Philalethes false claims about me and tries to add big words to make his bullshit smell like butter pecan.
Here's some shorter words for you: fuck off.
Backslider's a saint. You aren't. You've said the same damn shit for four threads, no matter what the topic of the thread was, twisted everything back to yourself and your simplistic "point," and generall been a real dick. You walk in with a self-righteous attitude and a chip on your shoulder, and then you complain that people aren't nice to you. You repeat idiotic talking points typical of freeperati (the Kerry is a war criminal crap) and you generally act like, well, Bill O'Reilly.
So fuck off.
Backslider's a saint.
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Oh, I'm no saint. I listen to Willie Nelson just like everyone else.
Though I did see God once, but that was when I was on acid. Oddly enough, he looked a lot like Willie Nelson. Not quite as good on guitar, though, of course.
Actually, Gordon, the US shouldn't have created Osama or Saddam to begin with. I mean, you DO know that we empowered them when it was convenient for us, don't you? It's called Blowback, and US policy still creates these monsters. I wouldn't hire an exterminator who loosed vermin upon my residence. Neither do I want war criminals put in charge of defeating war criminals or terrorists.
Thersites, your imitation of Dick Cheney is spot on! Kudos.
Backslider does seem to posses admirable qualities. Amongst them, a willingness to disagree agreeably. Take notes.
You should see Him on the harp, though, Backslider. My favorite is when he sets it on fire.
I'd just like to take this opportunity to point out that Toby Petzold is a major-league asshole. Big time.
I'd just like to take this opportunity to point out that Toby Petzold is a major-league asshole. Big time.
Thersites, your imitation of Dick Cheney is spot on! Kudos.
Backslider does seem to posses admirable qualities. Amongst them, a willingness to disagree agreeably. Take notes.
Stop acting like a troll, that is, by saying the same fucking thing in every thread, and we can talk howsomever sweetly you like. You came here looking for a fight, congratulations, you found one. Take notes yourself.
Oh, I'm no saint. I listen to Willie Nelson just like everyone else
My bad. I assumed that after prophesying for a while you'dve sent in the extra 5 bucks for sainthood at some point... : )
I don't get the parsing of Kerry's record - Go read his Fitness Reports - Nothing but praise - In most everything he does he's rated as OUTSTANDING (that is one out of a hundred = A+) The next rating is EXCELLENT of great value to the service and those are the only other rankings he gets. I'll be glad to supply the link.
The idea is to choose the ablest man
- Kerry has spent his lifetime wroking hard and fighting for things he believes.
- The sitting President has had things handed to him on a plate.
And even that's not enough for this man he has to cheat and push poll and bully and inveigle and obfuscate and distract...
"Uh, Ahmed Chalabi? Never heard of him. Oops, gotta run Terror alert!"
The terror President?
I came to express my opinions on an opinoin board, Thersites. You and others took exception with that and have chosen to accuse me of being a troll rather than address the topics I've posted which have been varied. Clearly, a theme emerges which I've made no attempt to hide:
I don't think Kerry is worth voting for and I'm disappointed to see people who seem capable of honesty and equanimity to surrender to the tactics of their declared opponents.
The arguments we should be having are about policy - Who's got the best ideas - who's ideas are most likely to help the average guy - who is most likely to get some real cooperation from traditional allies i.e. NATO
Instead the trolls rave on about a good man's exemplary war record.
The Pentagon has credited him with killing twenty of the enemy - It was a hard and nasty Police Action terrible things occurred- I bet that's not so easy to live with -
- His addmission on that show may not have been entirely literal - maybe he didn't want to paint himself as being any different from his fellow soldiers - We did these things - one of us, all of us.
What Kerry said at the behest of some of his fellow soldiers about the true nature of the Vietnam War is why the swift boat guys are really mad - they feel he called them criminals and that's a misunderstanding . He said the nature of the war was encouraging such acts
- It was a dirty, soul-sucking, body-bag filling, guerilla war that Kerry believed was unwinnable the way it was being waged and he did what he could to bring the soldiers home.
He must have been good at that too - Nixon siced his attack dog on him and he was tailed by the FBI - They discovered he's a thoughtful wonk. Get used to it.
Whether you agree with how he went about it is one thing. His motives, however seem pretty justifiable.
They sure know how to hold on to a grudge these Swifties huh? Read his Fitness Reports - He'll make you proud.
Are all RWWs mentally handicapped?They keep saying "Kerry confessed to war crimes" and/or "accused soldiers of committing war crimes" re Vietnam. No actually he did not.
It can't be that the RWWs are just lying; Kerry's actual speech is readily available, so why lie about something that is so easy to prove as being a total lie?
Nope, it can't be that they're just liars who think the rest of us non-RWWs are so stupid as to fall for their lies. It must be that all RWWs are mentally handicapped. That would also explain why RWWs are continually duped and made total rubes of by RWW pundits and the bushCartel.
Clearly, a theme emerges which I've made no attempt to hide
No shit...
I checked out FR for the first time in a long time.
I need a shower.
We're not talking about "What Kerry said at the behest of some of his fellow soldiers about the true nature of the Vietnam War", dividedandconquered.
We're talking about WHAT KERRY SAID ABOUT HIMSELF on Meet the Press, April 18, 1971:
MR. CROSBY NOYES (Washington Evening Star): Mr. Kerry, you said at one time or another that you think our policies in Vietnam are tantamount to genocide and that the responsibility lies at all chains of command over there. Do you consider that you personally as a Naval officer committed atrocities in Vietnam or crimes punishable by law in this country?
SEN. KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down. And I believe that the men who designed these, the men who designed the free fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals.
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So there's 2 choices for you:
1) Kerry told the truth and is a war criminal
2) Kerry lied about being a war criminal
Which is it, d&q?
I happen to believe that Kerry told the truth about committing atrocities that violate the Geneva Convention, just as I believe that the Bush adminstration committed war crimes after being given the go-ahead by Kerry and other spineless Dems.
Kerry trusted Bush and voted to allow Bush to do as Bush does?
That proves they are both unfit for office.
You can get prissy like Thersites and act like I've done something other than tell the truth and offer an opinion, but please don't act ignorant of the facts unless you actually are.
Are you? Well, now you have them.
Sorry for the missed tag.
So, now that I've exposed your ignorance or lies, Lynn, what do you have to say for self-confessed war criminal Kerry?
It's not like he said it in a bar and it leaked out. He said it on frickin' Meet the Press!
He was talking about HIS OWN crimes and atrocities, yet sends others to do the same things under the leadership of Bush.
What an alternative!
Fuck 'em both.
1) Kerry told the truth and is a war criminal
2) Kerry lied about being a war criminal
Good morning, campers. Let me repeat my dire Bullshit Warning of yesterday:
This is all part of the Bushco Hail Mary pass, as W's numbers swim down the crapper: "Kerry is JUST AS BAD AS BUSH! They're BOTH THE SAME!"
Don't buy into it! I'm warning you, all this is is a meme to suppress the soft support of Kerry, that's all. Hard-boiled core constituency won't budge, but those moronic fucking Undecideds who have this country by the short and curlies with their incurious, Bush-like ignorance MAY waver.
And that's all Rove wants, here. So "THEY'RE BOTH THE SAME". I would bet my left nut that Frank Luntz focus-tested this shit.
I know this works, because I've already had one glazed-over, right-wing Christian friend who can't help but be appalled by all Bush has done, tell me "There's NO DIFFERENCE!" This, of course, clears his little conscience to hold his nose and go Bush again, over the one-issue abortion thing... even though he's fully aware of the economic damage he'll continue to suffer and the instability of the world at large, if Bush gets elected for the first time.
But see, it's okay, BECAUSE THEY'RE BOTH THE SAME!
This is so fucking underhanded.
Barry, can you kindly explain why War Criminal Kerry (who confessed his atrocities on TV...HIS atrocities) who voted to unleash War Criminal Bush on innocent people (which we're all perfectly aware of) is any better than War Criminal Bush?
Seen F9/11? It shows that Kerry refused to support disenfranchised Floridians and their representatives. Why would Kerry not stand up for the Black Caucus?
The Rethugs claim that Kerry was a do-nothing Senator, but that's not true.
He was the driving force behind Plan Colombia...the use of mercenaries to spray poisons on peasant farmers thereby destroying their food crops under the guise of the War on Drugs.
I don't think that merits my vote. Why do you?
The real MEME here is the one you exemplify:
"Don't pay attention to the truth about Kerry or let your conscience be your guide! Otherwise, you could be tricked into realizing that neither party will do anything but expand the clutches of Empire under the guise of humanitarianism!!!"
You are right about one thing, though:
Kerry's Kool-Aid Kid's won't let reality get in the way of their fantasy that it matters which head of the hydra speaks, as long as he wears your shirt color.
Oh, and you forgot to answer the pertinent question:
Did Kerry lie or tell the truth when he went on MTP and confessed to committing atrocities and war crimes in Viet Nam?
You may answer 'lie' or 'truth' if that makes it easier for you.
Good luck!
free republic = flypaper?
could be.
-J.T.
DB - I wsa talking about what he said on that show - I took your word that it was accurate I said:
- His addmission on that show may not have been entirely literal - maybe he didn't want to paint himself as being any different from his fellow soldiers - We did these things - one of us, all of us.
You never answered why you'd want to parse this man's examplary service record.
Thug.
You don't believe Berger stuffed things down his pants either. You know as well as we do that it was made up on the spot on one of those right-wing spin shows. And you are simply repeating it because you heard it said, and it's an unflattering characterization, and you like repeating things so long as they are insulting.
Or do you have proof that we don't know about? If so, bring it forth. I would love to be proved wrong.
Otherwise, you're just another powerless citizen like the rest of us, just repeating what you heard.
That's no way to be a critical thinker.
Draco: You nailed me -- I am indeed the Stereo Review guy (now its callled Sound and Vision).
Toby: Go fuck yourself.
Thank you.
slurslee - If it was not true that Berger left with documents concealed in his clothing, then why did he quit Kerry's campaign?
It was easier to walk than defend his actions?
Telling. Very telling.
And that about wraps it up for this thread, folks. Thanks for posting, and be sure to stop by our gift booth in the lobby on your way out.
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