I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
GOP convention goes Marxist
(y'know, from each according to ability...)
G.O.P. Donors Paying to Play at Convention
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/
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supporters - some of whom have raised $200,000 or more for President Bush or the party - are being charged a "convention fee'' this year of up to $4,500 per person for themselves and each guest
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... the biggest fund-raisers, instead of being rewarded for their success, are expected to fork over even more money to attend the events.
Mr. Bush's Rangers, who each raised at least $200,000 for the campaign, are being asked to pay $4,500; Pioneers, who raised at least $100,000, are being asked for $4,000; Mavericks, the under-40 fund-raisers who gathered at least $50,000, are being asked to pay $3,650.
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Maybe Powell is afraid of a terrorist attack.. like by Alan Keyes or someone like that.
Thirst!
I wonder if he'll be doing any Village People tunes?
Or maybe, 'It's Raining Men'?
God knows Condi won't do that tune.
Also, Colin Powell is the closest thing to a human being in that administration. It's like Elizabeth Dole staying at home because she's not Bob.
Hey, we have the best press corpse money can buy! The Best Democracy Money Can Buy wouldn't settle for less!
Maybe he'll show some cartoons like the ones at the UN speech!
Me like cartoons!
The people collecting money for Chimpy are probably wealthy themselves. Those that aren't are probably fundies who'll "borrow" money from their churchs' coffers. Actually, seeing as Jebus speaks through AWOL and se is doing God's work, their churches might offer to pay. Tax-exempt lobbying at its best.
Serves the Washington Post right
caught out looking extremely stupid -
if you are going to repeat Ed Gillespie's talking points verbatim without fact checking you deserve what you get. The best excuse you can come up with is --you were just doing a favor for Eddie and promised not to ask any questions.
And in an editorial --wtf
Be sure to write to Howie the lsut too and ask him what this means and why Powell really isn't going to be there.
And as long as we're talking "journalism" here, I'll recycle a comment I tacked onto the tail end of a deader-than-shit thread a while ago. Waste not, want not, I say...
journal - c.1355, "book of church services," from Anglo-Fr. jurnal "a day," from O.Fr. journal, originally "daily" (adj.), from L.L. diurnalis "daily" (see diurnal). Sense of "daily record of transactions" first recorded 1565; that of "personal diary" is 1610, from a sense found in French. Journalism is 1833 in Eng., likewise from Fr. (where it is attested from 1781).
log (v.) - "to enter into a log book," 1823, from logbook "daily record of a ship's speed, progress, etc." (1679), which is so called because wooden floats were used to measure a ship's speed. To log in in the computing sense is attested from 1963.
Now, someone tell me again how a blogger isn't a journalist. Bullshit; blogs are the new journalism.
His Bobness was just a bit ahead of his time when he said the Times they are a changing. The Posts, too. And the Heralds, and Tribs...
Bz: You might want to take a look at
www.tinyurl.com.
While I hate to say it, it's probably because Rod Paige is so much more black than Colin Powell is - it puts on a better, more diverse face. Also, they haven't been listening to Colin Powell yet in this administration, it's surprising the would let him speak something approaching his own words for any amount of time.
Well if Powell is not going to be at the convention I guess it's back to HGTV. Hmmm suddenly I have a sudden desire to purchase large quanities of MDF and make cheesey looking bookcases.
Don't mind me I am trying to work out
"suddenly I have a sudden desire".
And Drum went along with their assertion.
"Moderates" really can't take the pressure, can they?
This is OT, and mentioned in the Digby on Shelby thread, but I've got to mention it again.
Russert was interviewing both Paul Krugman and Bill O'Reilly on his show on CNBC, and O'Reilly was rambling a list of pet republican lines, about how small government is the answer to the middle class problems, not Krugman's socialism.
Krugman responded by saying (paraphrasing) "My published record is well established, and to call me a socialist, that's slander."
O'Reilly responded "No, I called you a quasi-socialist" to which Krugman replied "Oh, ok, well, then you're a quasi-murderer."
Damn. I mean, DAMN!
Of course, the interview degenerated from there.
That they would have Paige speak, and not Powell, is so transparent it isn't funny. Sad is what it is. Powell might feel a bit of relief, though, knowing that Paige is now the official "House Nigger"...
OT: Just saw Farenheit 911. What a puke Bush is. Shallow, arrogant, heartless, unfeeling, stupid, fratboy, prick. How can people believe the shit that comes out of his mouth. I can scarcely listen to him without wanting to puke. Disgusting.
I think Powell refused to do it. He's had enough of their sick little show--at least he wouldn't be able to stomach the nauseating four days in row in ny, anyway.
It might be very, very wise to stay away. I'm a litle worried--ny could get ugly pretty fast.
I was wondering which black guy was going to rent his skin color to the GOP this year. A minority, a movie star, mayor Mc911 - why is McCain buying into this shit?
And Drum went along with their assertion.
"Moderates" really can't take the pressure, can they?
dave
You mean "moderates" like Kerry & Edwards?
Won't get fooled again, eh?
Please, dave. PLEASE do your anal vibrator imitation. It is soooo cool!
Daily Kos failed to mention that Poppy's Labor Secretary, Lynn Martin, had a spot speaking at the convention in Houston, IIRC. (I didn't stop to read the comments there, so maybe somebody brought this up there.) My recollection is that she called for a Pax Americana in, more or less, those words.
I wonder if Colin is deserting the sinking ship. I know he plans to leave at the end of this term, whether or not W wins, so perhaps that is enough to explain his absence.
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PS: Learn to turn off the italics, asshole...
So I'm wondering, was Colin asked not to speak ? Or maybe he looked at the script they asked him to recite and thought "Shit, I'm not going to lie for him again!". Dunno, either works for me. As for cabinet members not campaigning, I thought that what Tom Ridge was doing the other day....
OT: Same ST column, quoting Bush about how colleges should eliminate "legacy" admissions-WTF? Where will his grandkids go to school if they have to earn it ? I know, I know, he doesn't have grandkids yet, but do you think any college will turn down a kid who has a grandfather and a great-grandfather as ex-presidents won't be given preferential treatment ? I keep wondering if Bush realizes just how ox-moron-ish he sounds.
You mean "moderates" like Kerry & Edwards?
Kerry & Edwards are the 1st and 4th most liberal senators. [/wingnut]
Powell actualy said this?
"As secretary of state, I am obliged not to participate in any way, shape, fashion or form in parochial, political debates. I have to take no sides in the matter," Powell told the Unity: Journalists of Color Convention on Thursday. Powell was a featured speaker at the 2000 convention and even campaigned with Bush.
This must be out of context. There's no way Powell said the election was a "parochial matter" that he is going to remain godlike above, paring his fingernails. Did he? (This has got to be like the refusal of the media to admit that Kerry's comments on Bush sitting with the kiddies came as a response to a direct question.)
What a crappy press corps we have...
Wile,
Did you see Jon Stewart *shred* Henry Bonilla on that assertion the other night? It was brutal, beautiful.
Quote in context with a funny lead-in (of all things):
MODERATOR: Mr. Secretary, we are fully aware that you have stayed longer with us than you had intended, but I am going to abuse my privilege and ask you one final question. You're not surprised to hear that.
SECRETARY POWELL: Sister getting uppity now.
MODERATOR: And you would know, wouldn't you?
SECRETARY POWELL: Go ahead, girl, go ahead.
MODERATOR: It's an election year. It's an election year, and today we heard from John Kerry, tomorrow we will hear from President Bush. It's an unusual election year, in many respects. Four years ago, we had not lived through 9/11. Four years ago, there was no war in Iraq or Afghanistan, yet so many people in communities of color are still primarily concerned, they tell us, about the economy, about their jobs, about their lives.
Why should, or should not, foreign policy issues, and especially the issues we've been talking about today, play any role at all in the decision that Americans will make, and especially Americans of color will make this November at the polls. You've done a little politics in your life; perhaps you can tackle this one.
SECRETARY POWELL: If I -- there's a little bit of a blowback here, so I'm not sure I heard it all, Gwen (ph), but foreign policy should be considered by the American people. The American people, when they think about who they're going to vote for, clearly they reflect on how they're doing in their own lives, how their family is doing, how their community is doing, their state is doing and how the country is doing, as they see it. But the country will only do as well as the rest of the world does. We are not isolated from the rest of the world. We trade with the rest of the world. We gain wealth from the rest of the world. And what we are looking for is a world that is at peace. We're looking for a world that shares our values. And so I think as the American people make their judgment, they should consider foreign policy and they should consider which candidate they believe is better able to lead the nation's foreign policy in the challenging months ahead.
As Secretary of State, I am obliged not to participate in any way, shape, fashion, or form in parochial, political debates. I have to take no sides in the matter, but I hope that Americans, as they go through this calculus in determining who they will vote for, will consider foreign policy. And because you're a person of color does not excuse you from thinking about the world. And so it is an issue for all Americans, of whatever color, background, gender, you name it -- all of us have to stop and think about the kind of world we're going to be living in, the kind of world we're going to be trading in, and which President is best able to lead this nation in such a world.
Thank you very much.
(Applause.)
(end transcript)
http://www.usemb.ee/wf/eur401.htm
God Burger with your God coffee? It's GODJESUS's choice!
Hey, you know our good friend DB, who's so wonderfully radical and uncompromising?
Here he is a thread or two down:
Remind me again where Sandy did hide them?
DB
Here's a recent post from Free Republic:
If he was actually stuffing things into his pants and/or socks he is guilty of far more than "poor judgment".
If there is video of this, he's so done.
4 posted on 07/21/2004 12:52:46 AM PDT by DB (©)
Funny coincidence...yes?
Google "Free Republic," "Kerry," and "DB," and you can find other posts that are...um...suggestive of a connection between their DB and ours.
Just sayin'.
He can be the designated line-of-successor-out-of-the-line-of ... you know.
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So, not satisfied with lying about me by claiming that I advocated killing the innocent (when I only pointed out that Kerry confessed to it on TV) you now claim that:
I am the only person in the world to use the handle 'DB' and mention Berger's heist.
Freak Rethuglick is the prototype of this forum:
1) If it's uncomfortable, say it isn't true.
2) If it turns out to be true, lie about the messenger and claim he's a Republican operative.
You're so virtuous, Philalethes! No wonder your shoulder is sore! All that back patting!
I knew it had to be a lie!
When I read that "cabinet officer" BS, I just knew they had to be lying. I couldn't think of any counterexamples off hand, but I knew it had to be a lie.
It's always safe to assume a Bushist is lying.
dave, thanks for doing your anal vibrator impression.
As for the italics, I just really wanted you to do your routine.
I should have used bold text. I will next time.
Philalethes
Yeah and when his line of arguement peters out completely he will start claiming Berger stuffed socks down his pants instead.
NYMary,
No, but I read about it here. My luck in tuning in to the Daily Show is spotty: I miss Henry Bonilla, but get Natalie Portman.
When I first heard about people watching TDS for news, I thought WTF? Then I read more about it online and started seeing a few episodes, and I understood better. Jon Stewart is doing the kind of job they ought to be doing on MTP and the other rmainstream broadcast and cable news shows.
Go Cheney yourself, DB.
Anal vibrator impression? Had he said nothing else, had there been no similarity between their BD and our BD's style, this would be enough to connect him to the scatologically obsessed of FR, Massada 2000, LGF and Misha's Electronic Elba...
So, not satisfied with lying about me by claiming that I advocated killing the innocent (when I only pointed out that Kerry confessed to it on TV)
I never claimed anything of the sort...what are you talking about?
Last night, I debated your points, and did so reasonably politely...mainly because you asked not to be flamed, and specifically said you were not out to convince anyone, and merely wanted to express an opinion.
Today, your tone's a little...well...different.
I'm pointing out one possible reason for that. Another possibility is that you're an asshole with NO connection to FR. I don't much care. And anyone reading this can decide for themselves what scenario is most plausible.
I'll tell you why our press corps are so terrible - the journalism major! During my college education in the late eighties, it was hard not to notice that journalism majors were among the biggest nitwits attending school. There were many classes (I was a history major) in which journalism majors participating in my classes were not capable of doing the coursework. Many of these students were achieving a high grade point average in their journalism major. I think Sylvia Poggioli of NPR said it best in that she does not recommend the journalism major for preparation for a career in reporting because it is not rigorous enough and does not train a person to critically think. In academic courses other than journalism one must come to a conclusion and form a hypothesis after analyzing the facts. Not so in journalism! Lets just supposedly present both sides of the “argument” and were done! Why bother with analysis! We’ve done our job! This is how the right-wingers have been able to capture the airwaves – their knowledge that the “journalist” will never scratch more than the surface of a story. No time! Must move on to that story about O.J.! Edward R. Murrow must be spinning in his grave.
Remember:
to most of the press, 'facts' are what people say is true. Reporting facts means repeating what Scotty McGaggleGoggler says, without comment. Because it's true that he actually said something that was a ten-minute avoidance of an answer.
So when the RNC says cabinet members don't make speeches, it's true... that they said it. Which is the same as it being true, isn't it? No?
Truly, the stream of 24/7 news has turned elements of the press into goldfish.
Bad times down in the boilerroom... the latest polls show Kerry trouncing the Unelected Drunken Fratboy Coward but good, with all the trendlines going straight into the toilet... musta harshed the mellow at the weekly circle jerk something fierce... so with nothing else to do, the moronic brownshirt fucks show up here.
Of course, to really piss them off, we could just ignore them... though shooting fish in a barrel is so much fun...
I would rather have this with my GodBurger.
r&y sez: this would be enough to connect him to the scatologically obsessed of FR, Massada 2000, LGF and Misha's Electronic Elba...
You're referring of course to Atrios' use of the term Craptacular...
which is of course a fantastic description of dave's anal vibrator impression.
Philalethes, you are right about one thing:
You only falsely implied that I was a Freak Rethuglickan.
You did, however, as I'm sure you'll admit, LIE about me by claiming I was advocating the death of the innocent...
when back here in reality I said that I opposed killing the innocent for the sake of Empire, which Kerry has confessed to and Bush doesn't need to because we've all seen it for ourselves.
We'll just have to trust Kerry when he said that he'd committed atrocities, right?
I take him at his word on that point.
Why can't you?
On the recent db distraction, why does Chris Stamey hate America? (I love the 80's...) Philalethes- you know I agree with most of what you post (in part I suppose b/c we're about the same age), but any second I expect to hear you tell db to quit playing ball in your yard and muttering about the damn kids today, no respect for their elders... 
Speaking of craptacular media, I finally got to see Outfoxed. Nothing particularly new to regulars here, but it is fun to see some of the meme montages (e.g., "Some say...", "Some people say...", "People have said..."). It's not that the other outlets aren't doing it too, moreso recently, but Faux is just so damn consistent. Not surprisingly, they achieve this by bullying and intimidating the on-air personalities. My favorite moment: someone comments that whereas Hannity is clean-cut, goodlooking (I guess to some), Colmes is kind of "squirrely-looking." And the O'Reilly meltdown montages are priceless ("Shut up", "You shut up now","Shut your mouth", et al.). Well worth 77 minutes of your life.
"I'm Kent Brockman. On the 11 o'clock news tonight...a certain type of soft drink has been found to be lethal. We won't tell you which one until after sports and the weather with Sonny Storm."
Again, my enthusiasm has led me to forget to bracket. Apologies.
Unelected Drunken Fratboy Coward vs. Elected (we'll see) Pothead Fratboy Killer...
what a fine contest!
from a swaydo-liberal:
tommie franks' book is out there now.
it puts that other big-time general in a one-holer.
colon will be becoming very quiet. and will retire on a very nice pension.
thank god and good riddance.
and why didn't he do that for us all many years ago?
and will he please take his jive-ass son with him.
On the other hand there is a pretty good article in the LATimes 8/8 on how the Navy archives back up the Kerry story and call the swiftboat liars liars
If you can't see a difference between Masada's actual photographs of corpses, human excrement, and photoshopped scatological humiliations, and Atrios' purely verbal "craptacular" or "fucktastic" (neither of which are his anyway), hey...you probably don't see a difference between Kerry and Bush.
You did, however, as I'm sure you'll admit, LIE about me by claiming I was advocating the death of the innocent...
An easy argument to settle. Post the quote where I said that.
Wile E. -- you can get videos of TDS a few hours after broadcast, courtesy of ShunTV. You'll need to follow the instructions, but it's worth it.
bruce from chicago,
Though I take a bit of umbrage at your perception of journalism majors' average intelligence - speaking as one who finished college with a 3.77 - you're more or less right on the money. Apart from a couple enlightening classes in fact finding and using computers (spreadsheets, search pages, etc.), my four years of J-school were a complete waste of time. I learned more as a teenager covering high school baseball for three years prior than I ever did in a classroom.
From the treatment of official sources (or, as I like to call it, "kissing ass") to quashing of creative writing to the a thousand times damn interverted pyramid, journalism classes are complete rubbish. They don't want good writers or actual investigative journalists; they want machines that can fill in the spaces between what really matters to newspapers, magazines and broadcast: the advertising.
It took me two years to shake the stink off after graduation and get back to being a decent writer. But like a deflowered virgin, I've lost something I'll never get back. Call it innocence, call it youth, but it's gone.
You know what I tell kids who want to be writers, or especially good magazine writers? Major in philosophy. Or sociology. Or history. Or religion. Take a few classes on how to find sources.
And for Hunter's sake, just write. A lot.
Speaking of trolls, it's been fascinating these past few days to watch some of them.
My favorite so far has been ether, with his persistent, single-minded pimping of the thoroughly discredited SBVfT. Lying Liars each and every one of them, and the whole SBVfT group linked directly to GOP organizations and operatives, links that lead to the White House, if not to the very door of the Oval Office.
But he soldiers on, :"Kerry!" "Purple Hearts!" "Affidavits!" "Boston Globe!"
Troll away, ether! Troll as if your very life depended upon it! Troll until your pudgy little fingertips BLEED! (Which is a plus, 'cause blood is sticky and bloody fingers are IDEAL for getting those last crumbs out of the bottom of the Cheetos® bag.)
Yes, the sheer desperation of the trolls is encouraging. The FEAR is upon them!
86 days, little trolls, 86 days until the election. 86 days, count them one by one until the end of the Bush Administration. 86 days, little trolls.
SO little time. So much trolling to do, in a foredoomed effort to prevent the inevitable.
T-minus 86 days and counting...
Ah, the poverty of our press these days. That reminds me of a quote I really like from an interview with Amb. Wilson at a blog, American Amnesia, that I've only been to for this, but looked interesting with interviews of Zinn, Chomsky, et al., off to the right up top:
AA: You, Sandy Berger, Dick Clarke, Paul O?Neill, Shinseki, it?s quite a list of people who?ve fallen out of favor.
JW: I think it?s absolutely vital that Americans stand up and say "Enough of this character assassination. Let's discuss issues based on fact." I have every expectation that Clarke will be vindicated, that I will be vindicated, Paul O?Neill has been largely vindicated. I think it?s time for the people and the press, in particular, to be more vigilant about not giving equal weight to lies as they give the truth.
(my emphasis)
http://www.usamnesia.com/blog.html
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I don't think that thepress corps is so horrible in the sense that they are either incompetant or lazy. They are almost always "incompetant or lazy" in one specific direction.
That is to say their incompetance, laziness, or mistakes are nearly always in support of the Republican party and/or conservatives.
But if you call them on it then you are the one who is acting irrationally (or maybe you are Moore or Chomsky).
Wile,
The Bonilla interview is on the Comedy Central website.
http://tinyurl.com/bu3b
You're just waiting for the inevitable downfall of society, and all the innocent death and destruction that'll follow.
No, I said the American Empire. Socities will exist after the end of America.
No on the innocent death and destruction.
I think that the Right & Left of the American Empire are doing just fine on bring death and destruction about.
I refuse to advocate either side or act like one is less bad than the other.
If you were attempting to restate my claim and honestly didn't know what the hell I was talking about, I'm willing to accept that you made a terrible mistake.
I happen to think that, given how you posted the same bullshit about me in several threads on other matters, your attempt to restate my claim was disingenuous at best.
Fair?
T-minus 86 days and counting...
It is rather amusing that so much energy is being put into the swift boat liars. The trolls were also out in force for the Berger nonsense. It's definitely feces flingin' time. Got to see what sticks, it looks like Uncle Karl has released the monkeys.
"waiting for the inevitable" is hardly "advocating the death of the innocent"--and what kind of death penalty opponent distiguishes innocent murder victims? And America has a "left"?
anon in nc,
Thanks for the heads up, and the link. I'll have to check it out.
Something stuck in my hindbrain from you a few days ago about a 'diversity T-shirt' modeled by Glenn Reynolds featuring 'diverse handguns'. I'd thought your comments some sort of obscure joke/jape. Not so sure now. So - you were joking, right?
Backslider,
Sometimes, I think we ought to go back to the old system, under which one started out as a copy boy and worked one's way up to reporter. Of course, the Front Page era of journalism had its own problems, so the exchange wouldn't be entirely for the good.
::sigh:: I guess it IS gonna be fugly around here for awhile. Well-fed trolls, first freakin' posts blowing out Haloscan, and some genuine ironbutts here today. Okay, Chris T, I guess you're right, the denouement HAS to be worth it.
But I suspect the next bet we oughta have around here is by what date the first goddamn "Impeach Kerry" bumpersticker will appear. These people are ILL. They will NEVER stop. I look around here just today and see how far the Cheez-Wiz has slid off their Triscuit. Glad I had better stuff to do most of the evening than to get sucked into this.
someone the other day labelled me a pseudo-liberal.
i have been thinking about that. principally because i don't consider myself as pseudo-anything, let alone liberal.
i'm an engineer. i run a business. i tend to deal with absolutes.
but tonight i found out how i can best describe myself. i am a rothbardian.
see his postmortem of RWR in LIBERTY. entitled RONALD REAGAN: A POLITICAL OBIT
murray rothbard is an anti-statist, as am i, and he got ronnie accurately.
excuse me, murray is at room temp. so change my tenses.
John: Just Say “No”
In response to President Bush’s question of would I go into Iraq knowing what we know now my response is No.
Iraq had no WMD’s,
Saddam had no ties to Al Qaeda,
Iraq couldn’t fly 1 plane in defense of its own country during the invasion.
President Bush I have answered your question. Now, you answer mine. Produce 1 shred of relevant and credible evidence of Iraq’s capacity to attack the US. If they couldn’t fly 1 plane to protect themselves what threat did they pose to America?
The war on terror needs to be fought against those who have claimed responsibility for 9/11. Al Qaeda.
The US has spent hundreds of billions of American tax dollars to fight against Iraq rather than fighting against Al Qaeda to the degree necessary to make America safe.
Americans would feel safer with Osama bin Ladin in jail. Americans would feel safer if our intelligence agencies were coordinating with intelligence services from other nations to infiltrate active Al Qaeda cells in this country rather than exposing those undercover agents who could have helped America be safer.
Mr. President you need to focus. Focus on the war on terror. Focus on the economy. Focus on educating America’s children. Focus on health care. Focus on the deficit you’ve created that make us a debtor nation.
But, Mr. President since you can’t focus on the grave problems facing this nation it’s ok. I’m very focused and I will work with other nations to resolve the problems in Iraq. I am focused on the war on terror and making America as safe as it was in all the years before your administration. I am focused on creating good jobs for American workers. I am focused on creating the best education and health care systems in the world. I am focused on bringing responsible spending back to government.
I want to move America out from the grip of fear and I will make us a strong and proud nation filled by the renewal of hope and extending a firm but loving hand to other nations to bring peace to a troubled world.
Fair?
DB
No, because that's not a quote from one of my posts, you insufferably arrogant moron.
It's from a post by Backslider. We're too different people.
NYMary,
Thanks for the link.
Sometimes, I think we ought to go back to the old system, under which one started out as a copy boy and worked one's way up to reporter. Of course, the Front Page era of journalism had its own problems, so the exchange wouldn't be entirely for the good.
Wile E. Odysseus | Email | Homepage | 08.08.04 - 12:59 am | #
Thing is, there's no real "golden age" of journalism. This is the business of William Randolph Hurst, after all. Plus, those Front Page-era guys are the same guys who helped hide FDR's polio. You know, he only appeared in public in his wheelchair just twice? And there's only a handful of "official photos" of him in the chair. Bloody marvelous...
Plus, historically, the press has always been sort of a dumping ground for social misfits. Guys too warped for public consumption. Guys who enjoyed living on six hours of sleep for every three days. Some were great writers, some were killer investigators, but all knew how the game was played and reacted accordingly.
There's always been some sort of queer bent to the press, but then again, there's always been your shining lights: I.F. Stone, Thomas Nast, Matthew Brady, the Dana guy from WaPo (Milbank?), Helen Thomas, etc. and so forth.
ahem.
blogs like Atrios and "alternative" rags like Counterpunch.
We're too different people.
Philalethes | Email | Homepage | 08.08.04 - 1:03 am | #
Aw, come on. I don't think we're all that different. Cept for the whole Menken thing, that is. And I probably got longer hair.
blogs like Atrios and "alternative" rags like Counterpunch.
rei & yui | Email | Homepage | 08.08.04 - 1:06 am | #
Yeah, them too. I've long thought that once all the dotcom balloon bullshit settled and the wheat was eventually seperated from the chaff that the internet would turn out to be an amazing resource for those seeking enlightenment. It's still in its reletive youth as far as influence goes and, frankly, I don't think it's so much an end as a means to thus, but it's very groovy to be on the ground-floor of the party.
You claim to be two different people, Philalethes, but who really knows for sure? See how your logic works? Go read more Freak Rethuglick.
Actually, r&y, I like sites like WhatReallyHappened.com.
Seen it? What's your critique?
Thanks for the transcript, Lucky Ducky.
That kind of confirms my suspicion, that he was just spouting gibberish. It was only vaguely related to the issue of him not speaking at the convention, in that it was yet another in the long parade of absurd assurances that there is by God! no internal dissention in the Bush White House, how dare you suggest such a thing, we give each other makeovers and giggle about boy bands, tee hee, and ask that again and I'll pop you one in the kisser, see if I don't.
Funny also how he skips the really direct way that the ekection could affect "people of color": if the downhill trajectory continues, and there's a draft, guess who goes in the front of the lines? Hmmm.
Last night, DB said:
Before you start bashing me, just know that I am not trying to get anyone to agree with me.
Yup. That's why he's spent the entire day trying to turn almost every single thread into a referendum on his alleged views. That's why he tries to attack as many people as possible, for the maximum possible disruption...but so carelessly that he attributes posts by Backslider to me. That's why, when he got a relatively polite debate from me last night on the "Herbert" thread, he switched into higher gear today...becoming more shrill and offering less qualifications for his opinons, trying to provoke reaction instead of discussion.
And that DB who posts over at the Captain's Quarters, where there's been such a thorough discussion lately of how John Kerry is an admitted war criminal? Just another coincidence. Possibly.
jeez, NOW bowell gets constipated?
You claim to be two different people, Philalethes, but who really knows for sure?
Well, apart from me and Backslider and our respective families and friends...anyone who's read the comments on this blog with any attention for even one week.
ahem....
george seldes. bob parry, sy hersh, alan friedman, peter mantius, bruce cumings.
and there are undoubtedly others.
Aw, come on. I don't think we're all that different. Cept for the whole Menken thing, that is. And I probably got longer hair.
An unfortunate typo on my part! As I've said before, you're good people in my book, and I'm proud to get lumped in with ya any day.
There's a big difference from not trying to get anyone agree with my statement:
My hatred of GWB does not motivate me to vote for someone else, because Kerry (even with Edwards) does not merit my vote.
and trying to educate those who plan to vote for Kerry but don't know that he confessed to war crimes that he in fact did so.
I don't think they merit my vote. You don't have to agree, but you don't have a right to make disingenous comments about me and expect me to say nothing to defend myself.
Fair?
(For the record, I've only ever used the handle DB at this website, but your research is interesting I'm sure to people who have lost the debate about the facts and instead need to resort to innuendo and smears.
You make a fine Freeper, Phil.
Or is that, Phreeper?
ahem....
george seldes. bob parry, sy hersh, alan friedman, peter mantius, bruce cumings.
and there are undoubtedly others.
albert champion | Email | Homepage | 08.08.04 - 1:14 am | #
Yes, yes, yes. Like I said, there's a LOT of will o' the wisps in the murky journalistic bogs we must wade through. I'm stoned and that's just what popped into my mind, okay? Jay-sus, there's no pleasin' you people.
And Philalethes,
Better watch out. I think high schools in the South would censor any book I'm in.
Every time a troll's not fed,
that troll then wets its bed.
Silleigh, the thing to do is not take the trolls seriously. Truly, they are nothing more than the neurotic chimp in the zoo that flings it's feces through the bars, and then retreats to the tire swing for a frenzied bout of masturbation.
Sure, having some monkey throwing crap at you is annoying, but in the long run, it's nothing to really concern yourself with.
ether, Thug, David Patterson, et al, etc, ad nauseum, all are just crap-flinging monkeys, screaming in impotent rage at all of us outside the cage.
Because that's what their problem is, they are in a cage of their own making, while we on the outside are free to come and go, think and read and speak as we see fit. And that infuriates the trolls! That we KNOW the trolls are in their own little cage, rattling the bars, screaming, and throwing crap at all of us who stop, and point and look at the mange-ridden psychotic monkeys.
Whoops! Look out! That one's filling his hand again.
So be of good cheer, Silleigh and others. Election Day is coming!
The end of our long national nightmare is nigh.
Krugman vs. O'Rielly on CNBC right now all you night owls.
That kind of confirms my suspicion, that he was just spouting gibberish.
Thank Christ, I thought it was just me. I couldn't make any sense of it.
And you're welcome.
I'm probably too forgiving but when I read Powell's statemens or see him, I just keep thinking "You poor, poor son of a bitch...I wish you'd write a book."
Hello All! This is completely off topic, but I, like many erstwhile conservatives, like to trool the oppositions blogs. Wait, that sentence sounds weird. Anyways, I like to go to conservative sites and basically post nonsense. One site I have found is MOXIE (moxie.nu/blog.php) , which ispaticularly interesting in regards to its stupidity, a complete lack of coherence, and that the "lady" who runs it tries to get by simply by always stating she's a cute little blond. Long story short, I post some crap over there, and the comments are editied! Not only are they shortened, but the lady actually changes what you said! So, I propose going over to her site and hiting her hard, with tons of people posting loads of mean comments or useless crap. Seriously, lets mess with her.
shining lights: I.F. Stone, Thomas Nast, Matthew Brady, the Dana guy from WaPo (Milbank?), Helen Thomas
Quite a vault for Milbank. However, I will give him this October 2002 beaut:
washingtonpost.com
For Bush, Facts Are Malleable
Presidential Tradition Of Embroidering Key Assertions Continues
By Dana Milbank
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, October 22, 2002; Page A01
http://tinyurl.com/6ncbk
And, that's not his only doozy.
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I don't think they merit my vote.
I think you made that abundantly clear over the last 24 hours, by trying to turn almost every thread into a debate on the topic.
But if you want to play Sisyphus, knock yourself out.
As I said, I debated you last night, and gave perfectly cogent reasons for disagreeing with you. If you don't accept 'em, that's your business.
You know how you can settle this REALLY easily? Last night, after I challenged you to present an alternative to Bush/Kerry, and asked you to explain YOUR form of activism, and to invite people to join you in it if they were interested, you said that you had a number of websites devoted to activism, but coyly declined to name them.
So why don't you name one of 'em? That way, people who are interested in your point of view can read more about it and possibly even get involved, and you can stop acting like a troll around here. Separate the wheat from the chaff, as it were.
There's nothing to worry about. Lots of other people post links to their sites here...Backslider, for instance. And that's despite this site being infested with RNC trolls. No one's been firebombed or hit with a DOS attack yet, as far as I know. And we're not as vengeful and nutty as the Repubs anyhow.
If you've got something good going on, share it with us. And I solemnly swear that if you do so, I'll apologize for suggesting that you're a FReeper.
Fair enough?
Backslider,
Well, yeah. There has been no Golden Age of the American Press. I'm of two minds about the Front Pageera reporters hiding FDR's polio. On one hand, maybe they should have reported on something so vital as the President's health. On the other hand, maybe it's just as well that they weren't playing gotcha with him the way reporters now do. If they had shown him in his wheelchair, he probably wouldn't have been elected president even once, with all kinds of evil consequences for the country in the Depression and WWII, let alone four times.
Just so there's no confusion, the 'Phil' I referred to at 1:19 was 'Philalethes', not (to my knowledge) Phil who posted at 1:29.
I wouldn't want to be accused of suggesting that some posters are other posters.
Seriously, lets mess with her.
Phil
I'll pass, thanks!
excuse me, murray is at room temp. so change my tenses.
albert champion
What, you got him in the house there with you? What's the thermostst set on? Must be way low, or he'd have stunk you out by now.
Wile E. Odysseus,
Perhaps you're right. The obsession with health wasn't as nut-slappingly mindless in the '30s, but FDR didn't exactly put forth the idea of robust health. Still, the national press corps and the upper echelons of government have always played a game that both sides understood yet didn't feel fit to tell us about.
Doesn't matter that the rules have changed in recent years. Changed for the worse, it seems.
Instead, Philalethes, why don't I tell you some of my favorite sites?
AzureBiodiesel.com - A great way to fulfill Kerry's promise of fuel independence, though ultimately will require the liberation of hemp
InformationClearingHouse.info - a great compendeum of info and lots of vids, check it out
DissidentVoice.org - voices of reason exposing the lies of empire and neo-liberalism
Gosh, there's so many...
but I think one of the best has to be PRWatch.org - see especially their "Spin O' the Day" and the free download of the book, 'Mad Cow USA'
I have to mention CorpWatch.org, not to be confused with the also excellent CorporateWatch.org.uk
Enough for now, I'm sure.
Why oh why is our press corps so horrible...
You misspelled "corpse."
HTH,
Clave
Instead, Philalethes, why don't I tell you some of my favorite sites?
Because that's not what I challenged you to do, of course.
You said that you had a number of sites up, and even said that I'd probably read things you'd written.
If that's the case, what's the problem? Either your writing on your sites is anonymous, or it isn't.
If it is, then what's the problem? We won't "know" you any more than we do now. If it isn't anonymous, then obviously you're willing to stand behind your beliefs by taking personal credit for them...so again, what's the problem?
So, those are some sites I like, Philalethes, even though I don't agree with everything all of them say.
Shit, I almost forgot OrganicConsumers.org
So, I'm sure you'll find something wrong with each, and who knows, I might agree.
But I think these sites provide info that can inform daily steps that we can all take with or without Kerry or Bush, and often, in contadiction to both.
other than sy, none of these flyweights working for today's periodicals cut it...
and i forgot a few others,
pete brewton, dave halberstam, jonathan schell, malcolm browne, jim hougan, warren hinckle, wilf burchett, tim page, larry burrows, horst faas,
lee miller, robert capa, herblock, ernie pyle, david douglas duncan, murrow, frank snepp, john dinges.
real reporters. none of them bear any resemblance to the yuppies that play at being journalists today.
and i know that i have left some stellar reporters out. my apologies. i am old. it is late.
Tell you what, Philalethes, when Atrios reveals his identity, I'll consider revealing mine.
I don't need digital blue- or redshirts hassling my crew.
DB: Phil said u claimed u have ur own sites...she is not asking for ur favs... why not just take Phil up on the challenge instead of beating about the BUSH...no pun intended
Tweety 'Oddball' lead-in laugh - Haa!
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DB is just an 'all talk' kinda guy who likes to claim he has principles but when its time to put up or shut up, he is no where to be found...
it's time to move on people
I know...off topic but something I read today here on another thread is haunting me.
Curiously, how can we find 250 people (who, apparently, 249 did not serve with Kerry directly) who will go on record saying Kerry's unfit...
... yet we can't find a single person to place Bush actually serving in the TANG?
I love this quote...we need to keep asking it.
Tell you what, Philalethes, when Atrios reveals his identity, I'll consider revealing mine.
He already did, ya knucklehead. So start considering.
As for the sites you listed...fine. I agree with almost all of them. The only thing I know how to do to overcome MY pessimistic take on the situation is voting with my pocketbook: vegan, organic, locally grown, no TV, no newspapers, and so forth. If that's your angle, then fine. We agree, and that's nice.
Your chickenshit response about your alleged sites has convinced me that you're a fraud. But if you're on the level, then get this: Trolling isn't necessarily being an RNC stooge; it's posting the same argument over and over and over again, in a situation where a rational person would accept that adults can and will disagree on important issues. Torrents of snotnosed sloganeering and OT argumentation, like we've seen from you in multiple threads, over the last 24 hours, spells "troll" no matter WHAT the person's beliefs are.
i am old. it is late
"I grow old... I grow old...
I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled..."
sorry, still stuck in the poetry thread and something about Albert's post harkened to TSE...
resume troll wrangling.
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Wow! I missed it! What's Atrios' name? And why didn't you call him a 'chickenshit' when he wouldn't say?
I don't have to prove anything to you and you've made it clear that you've convinced yourself anyway, so why bother?
I do have websites; I don't feel the need to propagate them here. Perhaps once the tone here becomes more civil. I'll wait.
I'm only here as an individual who dislikes the lack of honesty and equanimity amongst people who might actually be capable of both, and were they to exercise their capacities for both, would have more objectivity towards the shortcomings of Kerry.
Earlier k&y (or r&y, sorry, I forget) called Kerry's actions while a Senator "unforgivable".
I agree, that's why I don't understand why so many are willing to cut slack for the guy who cut Bush slack. The same guy who confessed that he had committed atrocites and war crimes but voted for more of the same and seems to only want to minutely tweak the machinations of Empire.
Rocket Man, thanks for the CNBC heads up!
Gawdamighty, but O'Reilly is SUCH a lunatic!
He's STILL on the verge of a stroke over Al Franken!
It's SO much fun watching him flip out.
FYI: DB offers this explanation on another thread for why he won't post links to his websites:
I decline your invitation, Philalethes, only because I have already had the FBI cite some of my online writings as dangerous. This was back in the Y2K heyday, but I think I'll retain my anonymity here for at least awhile longer.
Now, am I nuts...or does that not make very much sense? He can't post links here to websites that contain his "dangerous" writings...because the FBI was watching him four years ago...and therefore if he posts a link HERE to an EXISTING website...then the FBI will...
That's where I run out of steam.
I'm trying to be fair and polite here. But it's not just me, right? Am I missing something? Does anyone here understand this logic at all?
Very disappoining performance by Krugman, I'm afraid. Lot of eye rolling, paper shuffling and incessant sipping out of his cup. Timid Tim let Bully Bill beat up on Poor Paul.
Torrents of snotnosed sloganeering and OT argumentation, like we've seen from you in multiple threads, over the last 24 hours, spells "troll" no matter WHAT the person's beliefs are.
This is true. It really can't be argued. This is five threads old, gone on over a day. Politics, shmolitics. DB is just being a dick.
Cool Hand Luke is on Cinemax. Arguing with DB is like eating 50 hard boiled eggs....
so, phil
it goes without saying that your nom de plume is an invention.
did you intend for it to mean," love of forgetting the past", "love for the waters of oblivion", "love for the forgetting of history".?
since i think that nom de plumes are often chosen to express a pyschological address, i am intrigued by the translation of the name that you have invented.
did you invent your nom de plume so as to declare your hostility to history? to the accurate record of the past?
if so, why do i view that as a bushie orientation?
Haa!
Huh...so in this thread, DB's excuse is the lack of civility and the fact that he has nothing to prove to a scoffer like me.
And in another, simultaneous thread, it's DB's status as a "person of interest" with the FBI that's causing his shyness.
Well, friends...I've now got enough information to make my final decision re DB, and have nothing further to say on the matter.
"I decline your invitation, Philalethes, only because I have already had the FBI cite some of my online writings as dangerous. This was back in the Y2K heyday, but I think I'll retain my anonymity here for at least awhile longer."
Y2K? FBI? Dangerous writings?
BULLSHIT! BULLSHIT! BULLSHIT! (to quote David Steinberg)
My god, call Penn & Teller, there's enough bullshit from DB in that one sentence for the entire third season of Penn & Teller: BULLSHIT! on Showtime!
Albert Champion, your question about my name is so UNBELIEVABLY ignorant and presumptuous that I'm not going to bother explaining the linguistic mistake you're making.
Figure it out for yourself, and then apologize.
all i need to know about colin powell i learned through paul winfield's portrayal of him in Mars Attacks! by Tim Burton.
if you've never seen it, get it and laugh at the unbelievable parody of Powell by the late winfield. it's classic and you'll wonder no more why this "man of character" continues to hang around people who rightly think of him as a dull-edged tool.
Very disappoining performance by Krugman, I'm afraid. Lot of eye rolling, paper shuffling and incessant sipping out of his cup. Timid Tim let Bully Bill beat up on Poor Paul.
I dinno what else he could have done. Bill sure looked like a crazy person. Every bar in the world has an asshole exactly like that show up occasionally. Krugman should have just left, frankly.
That interview was really hard to watch. Russert should have stopped it. But no... yelling and bullying are red-baiting are acceptable now, all of it just making for "lively" discussion. Disgusting.
The good news is that all this (more or less insubstantial) back and forth over Kerry's progressive creds probably reflect what's going on in lots of people's minds, so it's useful for us to hash it out here, in a (gulp) sane environment.
Seems to me there are two lines of reasoning on Kerry: "A bit better than Bush!" and "Not much better than Bush!" Both positions have exclamation marks because they're both adamant despite their similarity.
Basically it seems to me the nation is in a state of Electile Dysfunction.
Peace.
Jeez...I'm still flabbergasted. It's not that I expect everyone here to have a working knowledge of Greek (God knows I don't)...but to make a comment like Albert Champion's without even bothering to--I don't know, Google it or something--just to make sure you have the FAINTEST IDEA of what you're talking about...
Yeesh. I'm getting kind of depressed. I think I'll take a stroll and relax now.
'Night, all.
since i think that nom de plumes are often chosen to express a pyschological address, i am intrigued by the translation of the name that you have invented.
I think that people who pompously speculate about other people's nom de plumes should google them first.
Philalethes -
You're such a gem and bring us all great joy. I was kind of stunned when I read Albert's remarks and I actually thought it was a name stealer. It was just plain weird.
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You refuse to acknowledge what I've said over and over.
I don't give a five fingered fuck about the FBI.
I don't care to reveal my identity or my websites at this point in time because of people who'll try to jack with me personally, Left or Right.
Scoff if you wish, Philalethes.
You have every right to be dead wrong.
Oh, and I did ask for Atrios' name after you claimed that his identity was revealed, Philalethes.
What was that again?
Gosh, this board has gotten ugly. I've only been here a few short months and it's deteriorated dramatically. too bad.
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Philalethes, my Greek is virtually non-existant these days, so I googled it. The VERY FIRST HIT had a translation in the bit of text Google appends to each link.
Damn, Albert! Can't you even use Google?
I've never seen Krugman that nervous.
Every day I become just a little more annoyed by our press corps in the United States. Today, I am experiencing annoyance fatigue.
Well, since we're guessing, I'll just throw in my two cents worth. I think it comes from laziness. Sheer, unmitigated, abject, "I think I'll reprint the press release and not do any actual work" laziness.
I could be wrong. It could be incompetence, such as a reporter thought to ask that question and then lacked the requisite typing skills or computer knowledge to enter the appropriate keystrokes to a search engine.
Or, it could be stupidity, such as a reporter lacked the intelligence to even question even the most obvious of nonsensical statements on their face.
Nope. I'm going with the laziness. Time and time and time again I see it and read it and hear it in our formerly esteemed Fourth Estate. And there is just no excuse for it.
Thersites, I agree with you about the Russert show. But do you think they'd have asked Krugman on if they thought he'd be better at bursting the blowhard.
"Do your own research!" was my favorite O'Really moment. Like he does his.
Thanks for the link, Kai.
do you think the o'reilly krugman thing will replay tomorrow? i missed it.
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Jenny,
The cat blogging was pretty alright this week. Its not all fussin and fightin.
Of course the ooh-ing and awww-ing was getting a bit thick.
ok,
not that i really give a rat's ass, phil. in fact, i think that this is a nom de plume for atrios. an alternative identity allowing atrios to enter his message bin. but i could be getting it wrong. but so what, i don't really care who you are.
DB may be a troll.
i still cannot figure out why you decided to attack me for questioning atrios' lionizing of bob herbert.
but, does this explain your name? i thought of phila as phile[lover, aficionado]. and i cannot find another substitute for lethe.
so, is this accurate?
phila = philadelphia
lethes = forgetfulness/oblivion
say, phil, if you are tired of philadelphia, and are looking for another place to hang out. let me know. i may have a job for you. you will just have to relocate to east texas.
that will not be any problem?
"Oh, and I did ask for Atrios' name after you claimed that his identity was revealed, Philalethes.
What was that again?"
Google Is Your Friend, DB.
Or, like Albert, are you incapable of even the simplest of tasks, such as using Google?
EkCenTrik -
oh how i loved the cat blogging. that was sweet. my kitty's pissed that she wasn't represented.
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How does Powell sleep at night?
Answer: booze and sleeping pills, I assume.
that will not be any problem?
albert champion
Albert, you're a funny guy. Stubborn as a mule, and lazy as the day is long.
Anyone curious about my "attack" on Albert can read it on the Herbert thread...you may have...oh...just a SLIGHTLY different take on what I said to him.
Jenny, Thersites, Chris...thanks. And Jenny, you're SUPPOSED to get discouraged. Just tune it out, or treat it as humor like most of us try to. These aren't serious people, so don't take 'em seriously.
Goodnight again, and pleasant dreams!
Albert C -
I think Phil commented quite a bit during the convention. Don't think Atrios had that much free time... just sayin'.
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Kerry should ask John Edwards to sue the Swift Boats for "Truth," for libel/slander...
PS I am just joking, but in any other universe, they would be so fucking guilty!
Did you know that FOX has on more liberals than conservatives? I'm glad old Bill O'Liely set me straight on that.
PS The above post was O/T, but I failed to note that... my bad. Sorry.
:-(
Steve in CO -
Ha ! You funny. Nicest ending to a nasty thread. Ever.
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Mike,
No way, did he really say that? Sure, if you think anyone just slightly less of a shill as Sean Hannity is a liberal, sure. I am pretty sure that "Outfoxed," showed that for every 2 liberals (weak ones of course), they had 6 hard-right practiced mouthpieces...
Did you know that FOX has on more liberals than conservatives? I'm glad old Bill O'Liely set me straight on that.
That's because FOX counts Joe Lieberman as 14 liberals. Exchange rates, see?
Yes, John kerry Should testify under oath about the incident that led to his silver star.
I would love that.
Tell Edwards to bring it on.
Jenny,
Greetings from the heart of right/wing/focus on the family/hate gays/love Bush country, Colorado Springs!! I have very much enjoyed your posts... keep up the good work. Too bad the majority of Americans don't get their news from the Internet. Hell, I can't even get my parents to program the clock on the VCR ... it still blinks "12:00" to this day...
Regards,
Steve
ether is obviously well-paid, or an idiot. So, which is it my friend?
ether,
Let's pretend that I concede that Kerry didn't deserve anything other that a "Vietnam Service Medal," for his tour of duty, how does that somehow equal the spotty ANG record of Bush? Seriously, how do you sleep at night knowing that someone that is your intellectual inferior is in control of the White House and has his finger on the button. Doesn't that bother you in the least?
I don't blame Krugman for looking nervous; I would too sitting next to that lunatic O'Reilly. There were several times where I though O'Reilly was going to come out of his chair and lunge at Krugman. There's just no way not to look timid sitting next a raving maniac like that.
That's what he said, Steve. He also reluctantly admitted that that Hume fellow tilted slightly to the right. I kid you not.
DB won't get much love for anything other than the Dem party line....no slam against this board...if you want to learn Dem thinking from very smart ppl, it's great...i tried some tinfoil crap and got my ass kicked from here till tuesday...
i'm not so sure about Kerry myself but compared to Bush, he seems saintly. Bush is way off the deep end.
so "Anyone But Bush!"
btw, RNC trolls are small peckered/breasted scum but they do know how to sew discord extremly well.
Mike,
Hume, when forced to report negative information about Bush looks like he's ratting out the refugees hiding in his house...
Steve
I don't blame Krugman for looking nervous; I would too sitting next to that lunatic O'Reilly. There were several times where I though O'Reilly was going to come out of his chair and lunge at Krugman. There's just no way not to look timid sitting next a raving maniac like that.
Double post...sorry
Yeah, O'Reilly is one big lunatic.
Too bad. Powell could've told us about Iraq's "lethal" WEATHER BALLOON program.
Aint no refugees hiding in THAT house, Steve.
Yeah, no kidding Mike. I came up short for a more relavent analogy... how about the reaction of someone who has to admit his favorite priest diddled him?
OT (sad) humor:
I don't know if has been done (I am pretty sure it has):
I'm the Ghost of Rick James, bitches!!
PS I don't believe in ghosts, but they are a handy simile at times...
He also reluctantly admitted that that Hume fellow tilted slightly to the right.
That was my second favorite part.
My absolute favorite was learning that Bill himself is not conservative at all, but a "traditionalist."
Whee!
Hello? Is this thing on? Just because I am in the Mountain Time Zone (2 hours behind Atrios), there should be a few night-owls???
I thought Krugman did well, while O'Reilly looked like a fuckwit. But that's just me; I don't like loud, obnoxious, ignorant arseholes.
As I said else-thread-wares, I do hope that the Kerry team prepares itself for a Bush-sized version of O'Reilly's faux-modesty -- 'oh, you're obviously much smarter than me' -- during the debates. I get the feeling that Bush may be coached to try to mock Kerry's knowledge of complex issues with 'well, I know one thing for sure, and that's that evildoers are doers of evil' style answers.
I love Krugman's column but he ain't exactly made for TV. Every time I've seen him it seems like his hands are visibly shaking. When O'Reilly would say something outrageous you could see Krugman thinking that it called for a quick comeback but none was forthcoming. Oh well. We'll always have Tuesdays and Fridays.
PS A co-worker/friend of mine went to see the Kerry/Edwards train in La Junta, CO (very rural south-eastern Colorado) this afternoon, and said it was awesome, he was really enamored by Edwards (a Political-Savant)... but was not impressed by the wives... of course, they are not running for office.
The reason I couldn't go was that my wife and I had to be at the Colorado Springs airport to pick up our second exchange student (from the Netherlands) and introduce him to our town, altitude (6700 ft) and home. We are doing our microcosmic part in showing that not all Americans, even in a freeper-paradise that is Colorado Springs, are mouth-breathing warmongers...
Steve in CO -
D' ya think you'd be interested in getting together sometime if you're in my neck of the woods? I get a little sad and lonely this late at night. Fear stalks my back, crawls right up it actually. The end is near. Plus my husband's been spending time with my sister lately, trying to "hook up her cable." (Yeah!) So if you're interested, drop me a line. Soon.
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You can bring that x-change student, too. If he's got a rockin' cock! (Are they big in the Netherlands?)
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anonymous in nc,
Does O'Reilly play that "you're much smarter than me" card? I haven't watched him, or faux news, in almost three years. He didn't used to play that card; back then, he portrayed himself as an inncocent, albeit well-educated, spokesperson for the people. I must thank folks on this thread for watching, and reading, him and others. I don't have the stomach for it.
JFTB! Me and Sam would totally be into doing you after my wife hits the hay! So many mean people in this whitebread state just want to fuck violently. They're so violent! I just hate it! I'm a peaceful lay, and I won't disturb you after you drift off to sleep. I think Sam is an ass-man, though, so you'd have to let him get a little backdoor action. I think it'd all be a pretty peaceful time, though.
P.S. I'm NOT a brute!
Name stealing Troll dating rituals?
Bizzare...
Holy shit, guys! Our new exchange student just got thrown in jail for shitkicking a tree-hugger at the local free-trade coffee shop! He's a violent warmonger, and I don't know what to do! I'm afraid he'll beat the shit out of me if I bail him out, but how can I leave him in the hands of the fascist CO Spring PD? They carry GUNS! I'm afraid of them, too! I'm afraid of everyone now! Even my wife, who's gotten out the mini-bottles of whisky we've collected over the years from our trips to peaceful Scotland. She's getting wasted, and will turn violent shortly! Can anyone suggest a place where good men and women live in harmony, without war and with pretty flowers! I'm desperate, friends! Help!
P.S. Jenny, I can't let him do you now. Sorry.
Name stealing Troll dating rituals?
Bizzare...
EkCenTrik
Something tells me that the troll in question is very much used to having sexual conversations with itself. Especially late on Saturday nights.
yes, i think we are witnessing a new strange behavior that is due, no doubt to fear that their beloved king is about to expload.
It is a first... my identity has been stolen by an asshole! Wow, freaking cool...
PS Hey freeper pretending to be me:
...as in self destruct... in a sad horrible gut churning fit of mea culpa
He's gone, Steve. He's busy jerking off into his own mouth. He likes the taste of his sperm, 'cause it reminds him bacon fat. And with the handful of pills he took right before, he might even be lucky enough to fall asleep before he notices how cold, lonely, and dirty his bed is.
The sad thing is with all these arguments about military duty and such, once again, the vets are being put into the line of fire for the politicians. Brothers against Brothers. I would think they would like this sort of stuff to be beween themselves in lieu of a national forum. And all of this while we are making new vets in what has become an almost disturbingly mirror image in Iraq. For Kerry this must be a hell of a balancing act and for Bush, well "Watch this Drive"
Philalethes
Really did not need that imagery this late at night. The nightmares are going to be particulary bad tonight.
EkCenTrik | Email | Homepage | 08.08.04 - 4:00 am
Very well said!!!
This campaign is much like the pre-Civil-War politics. This time we have a chance to not split the country in half! Personally (unrealistically), I would like to see the south succeed from the union...
Ah, but do fantasies live???
It's OK for the Secretary of Education to speak at the convention because Bush intends to eliminate the Department of Education anyway. Then Paige won't be a cabinet member. All fixed.
Tim Russert's show repeats on CNBC 2 or 3 times during the week late at night.
It may repeat tonight, Sunday night also. Check your local listing.
The show was so much fun. O'Reilly kept repeating himself, raised his voice and his veins on his neck were ready to pop. Krugman calmly either looked at the notes, at the ceiling, or at Tim, while Bill was going on his rants. Krugman was obviously prepared and came with notes and quotes. He mostly kept to the facts.
Mostly I said. There was this one exchange though, when Bill called Krugman "socialist" and Krugman objected. Bill said "ok, you are a quasi-socialist". Then Krugman said
"oh, quasi? Then you are a quasi-murderer". I am sure Bill will use this clip in his show.
It's OK for the Secretary of Education to speak at the convention because Bush intends to eliminate the Department of Education anyway. Then Paige won't be a cabinet member. All fixed.
Damn, and I thought I was cynical?
It may be a function of youth;
Maybe some are just naturally uncouth.
DB, don't troll people
With more brains in their steeple
(Ref. DB versus "lover of truth").
What's the starting salary in journalism these days? Used to be crap. I imagine salaries are pretty good in the major leagues but getting there's a long shot.
Thirty Years Ago Today....
Aug 8th 1974,
Richard Nixon resigned on disgrace.
OOOOOOoooh what a beautiful moooorning,
Oh what a beautiful day...
I've got a beautiful feeeeeee-ling,
Everythings goin' my way!!!
i meant that he resigned IN disgrace of course. (oops)
...and also was rehabilitated and sanctified by the time of his death,
and of course all the lessons America learned the hard way at the hands of the brutal gang of thugs he let stomp on the face of the country were all forgot in less than 30 yrs time....
but still... its a beautiful sentiment.
dontcha think?
If the right people had been in charge of Nixon's funeral, his casket would have been launched into one of those open-sewage canals that empty into the ocean just south of Los Angeles. He was a swine of a man and a jabbering dupe of a president. Nixon was so crooked that he needed servants to help him screw his pants on every morning. Even his funeral was illegal. He was queer in the deepest way. His body should have been burned in a trash bin.
These are harsh words for a man only recently canonized by President Clinton and my old friend George McGovern -- but I have written worse things about Nixon, many times, and the record will show that I kicked him repeatedly long before he went down. I beat him like a mad dog with mange every time I got a chance, and I am proud of it. He was scum.
Let there be no mistake in the history books about that. Richard Nixon was an evil man -- evil in a way that only those who believe in the physical reality of the Devil can understand it. He was utterly without ethics or morals or any bedrock sense of decency. Nobody trusted him -- except maybe the Stalinist Chinese, and honest historians will remember him mainly as a rat who kept scrambling to get back on the ship.
I love Hunter S. Thompson.
(OT: CSPAN is having a phone-in of Bushies on stem cell research. The amount of sheer misinformation that appears to be getting peddled here is astonishing. One guy said 'he'd been told' that embryonic stem cells came from mid-term babies. Er, no.)
When you shit forth lies, le cynique
Don't be surprised if you get a critique
If you do War Crime
You should do hard time
But Dems think that Empire is chic
DB:
I'm calling BS
Above you linked to azurebiodiesel site and said it will solve energy problems.
I agree, as I drive biodeisel VWs.
You said, however, that it will require the "liberation of hemp."
Bull; there is no place for hemp in the production of biodiesel as described on the site as it is focused on the production of diesel from waste oils (i.e., collected from McDonalds, etc).
It is possible to make fuel from corn oil, from hemp oil, etc., but the site in question does not get into it, and there is no reason that hemp has to be the main source of plant oils (it could be corn, soy, etc.)
Why do you mention hemp as a prerequisite to biodiesel technology?
Man you people are so SHRILL!
Jenna Caught a HUGE Fish and you're here blabbing about Colin Powell, not attending the RNC convention!
It's true! I saw it on drudge!
Shrill.
we need to revive a word FASCISTS
lets call rethugs fascists - like they call us socialists or commies...
fascist is a poly sci word for what these shit-for-brains stand for...
fascists
fascists
fascists
!!!
chica toxica, GOOD FOR YOU! Thank you for driving biodiesel!
For good or bad, however, there's not enough used cooking oil in America to fuel large fleets of those kind of vehicles.
The only biomass than can create the tonnage necessary to do so WHILE RESTORING VITALITY TO TOPSOIL is hemp.
Sure, ADM will try to convince us all that GMO corn or whatever is the way to go, but anyone with a basic knowledge of the oil needed for fuel AND OTHER ENGINE LUBRICANTS realizes in short order that you need a crop that requires the least amount of energy to cultivate and produces the most amount of resources in the smallest area.
That plant is hemp.
Keep promoting biodiesel and support the liberation of hemp for that a innumerable other uses.
"Why oh why is our press corps so horrible"
Because so many of them are Democrats they do not challenge each other on the various political implications of the events on which they "report."
Why is our press corps so horrible?
Because at their core, they are fundamentally frightened individuals who stand for nothing more than their own careers and maintaining their relatively well-paid positions in the midst of a profession that is owned by and subject to the "maximize profit at any cost" agendas of multi-national corporations.
Notwithstanding their claims to the contrary about their commitment to "journalistic ethics," in this environment, "truth" and the tenacity and commitment to get at and report it are relatively low on the scale of priorities and considerations that determine the shape of their reporting. Thus, for the typical media "journalist," "truth" will often have to yield to some other consideration such as "make my bosses happy," "don't offend the White House," "don't ruffle too many feathers," "don't offend some corporate advertiser or CEO," "don't threaten my "access' to the White House," "don't make too many waves," etc.
And atrios, you know as well as I do that whole books have been written on this subject from people like Ben Badahkian (spelling correct?), Noam Chomsky, Michael Parenti and others.
Look, even though the footage documenting Bush's immediate reponse to news of the second WTC tower being attacked on 9-11 has been in existence for at least two years (and I have known about it for at least that long), it wasn't until Michael Moore, in a film made outside of the corporate news media structures, that the the American people were enabled to see it on a mass scale. And once Moore did this, he was attacked by the official corporate media guardians and shapers of public opinion for being a "propagandist," for being "biased" and for not being "balanced."
Although there are some excpetions (like Krugman, for example), on the whole the American corporate media is about one thing and one thing alone: Propagandizing the masses on behalf of rulers and owners of the country.
Saw the Krugman/O'Lielly exchange on Tim Russert's show last night.
It was a glaring example of a first rate mind with knowledge and facts against a third rate mind of a thug and ignoramus.
O'Lielly's anger and rhetorical retorts ("You think you're smarter than everyone else!"), were all he could really muster against Krugman's relentlessly logical and fact driven conclusions.
O'Lielly is a thug, a fraud and an ignoramus and his popularity on FAUX NEWS speaks to the stupidity of his watchers and the gullibility of millions of human beings.
Jeremiah Elias
Thanks for providing an even more outlandish example further to the extremes of conspiracy theory than my own. (Although to the other side of the poltical spectrum, there's something to that...)
Rightwing thugs have TV shows
i.e., O'Reilly, Hannity & Scarboroughs
They rant and rave and lie
for fools who want pie-in-the-sky
And can't add without using their toes.
Is it just me or is Bush morphing into a caricature of himself? His movements seem more disjointed and jerky like he's got a corncob up his ass and his face looks more dumbly Howdy Doody-ish lately.
Eric Alterman had an observation about Bushboy that I thought was particularly accurate and obvious, although no mainstream "news" person would ever mention it.
Alterman said that Bushboy makes a decision (without knowledge and based on whatever his closest advisors tell him) and then he sticks with it, no matter how wrong or erroneous it turns out to be.
Witness Iraq, witness tax cuts for the rich and witness Stem Cell research defunding.
The man is a lazy, ignorant fool and he was entrusted with the most powerful position on the planet by five Gooper appointed fabulists on the USSC.
And that's also something no mainstream "news" person will say.
Ugh, MoDo v. Safire on John Kerry, MTP. Was Alan Colmes booked? I give it two minutes until they start talking about Teresa.
bruce suggests:
Lets just supposedly present both sides of the “argument” and were done! Why bother with analysis! We’ve done our job! This is how the right-wingers have been able to capture the airwaves – their knowledge that the “journalist” will never scratch more than the surface of a story.
It goes beyond that, bruce, and I've been saying this since the Nixon administration, when the right first got its tentacles into the nation's info stream.
Let's say an "argument" (for the sake of argument!) has 20% factual integrity, and is 80% distortion (granted, by some nebulous yardstick I just made up, here, but assume it with me, for a moment).
The college-trained J-school "jounalist" will of his or her own volition strive to achieve that mythical and obligatory "balance". So, he or she will in effect become the agent for the party which floated a bogus argument that, by rights, never should have seen the light of day in the first place; they beef the bogus argument up to 100% "integrity" level; and then give THAT artificially-imprimatured POV a full 50% "balance" with the truth.
Meanwhile, the strident drumbeat of "liberal media!" intimidates the "jounalists" and "works the refs"; the reporters and writers want nothing less than to be labeled unfair or biased. So they're all too willing to give every bit of propaganda from the right equal time alongside the truth... if only so they don't find themselves being named and getting beaten-up by angry pundits about their liberal tendencies and gasp! status as a registered Democratic voter.
And this is how the think tanks have, for 30 years, worked "journalists" to give disinformation the same standing as the truth.
Anyone looking for an excuse to go back to bed? If so, read the front page of the NYTimes article "Diplomacy Fails To Slow Advance Of Nuclear Arms
It will scare the hair off your head. Short version: N. Korea probably will test their new nukes soon. Iran, confident that the U.S. is so bogged down in Iraq, has been making haste with their nukes. Now it gets REALLy scary. There are increasingly "strong statements by Israeli officials that they will not tolerate the developement of an Iranian nuclear weapon."
Bush says he "will not tolerate either country becomming a nuclear power". Oh really? WTF does he think has already happened? Oy vey.
Summer rerun:
Back in the days of the old Soviet Union there was a news reader on TV. One day he injected a commentary about the invasion of Afghanistan which was highly critical of the whole, illegal, misguided thing. He disappeared.
I believe it was Alexander Cockburn who pointed out that this kind of thing would never happen in the United States because no news reader on TV would ever say anything critical of the establishment.
Once upon a time there was a pretty good news program on WGBH TV in Boston, The Ten O'Clock News. The late, eccentric, and always amusing, Jack Cole was one of the news readers. Once at the end of a story about the always sleezy Roy Cohn Jack Cole read " .... Cohn is appealing. In one sense of the word, at least." Jack Cole was fired by the "liberal" WGBH in Boston.
Ugh, MoDo v. Safire on John Kerry, MTP. Was Alan Colmes booked? I give it two minutes until they start talking about Teresa.
jps
Has anyone checked out the Op-Chart on the op-ed page on nyt? Its amazing.
Every day I become just a little more annoyed by our press corps in the United States. Today, I am experiencing annoyance fatigue.
Well, since we're guessing, I'll just throw in my two cents worth. I think it comes from laziness. Sheer, unmitigated, abject, "I think I'll reprint the press release and not do any actual work" laziness.
I could be wrong. It could be incompetence, such as a reporter thought to ask that question and then lacked the requisite typing skills or computer knowledge to enter the appropriate keystrokes to a search engine.
Or, it could be stupidity, such as a reporter lacked the intelligence to even question even the most obvious of nonsensical statements on their face.
Nope. I'm going with the laziness. Time and time and time again I see it and read it and hear it in our formerly esteemed Fourth Estate. And there is just no excuse for it.
genoasail | Email | Homepage | 08.08.04 - 2:36 am | #
FOR GOD-SAKES....ALREADY, THEY ARE PAYED TO LIE TO US SO GENERAL ELECTRIC (NBC,AND MSGOP,CNBC) AND CBS( CHEIF BOARDMEMBER FRANK CARLUCCI OF CARLYLE FAME) can keep collecting BILLION DOLLAR PAYCHECKS!to question their endless craptackulars makes no sense.THE MACHINE WILL NEVER STOP SPEWING ,NEVER AS LONG AS THE SHEEPLE HAVE CABLE,AND SCAN THE WRITTEN PROPAGANDA KNOWN AS NEWSPAPERS!oh ps. forgot to add MR. MURDOCH what a trifecta!
Anyone looking for an excuse to go back to bed? If so, read the front page of the NYTimes article "Diplomacy Fails To Slow Advance Of Nuclear Arms
It will scare the hair off your head. Short version: N. Korea probably will test their new nukes soon. Iran, confident that the U.S. is so bogged down in Iraq, has been making haste with their nukes. Now it gets REALLy scary. There are increasingly "strong statements by Israeli officials that they will not tolerate the developement of an Iranian nuclear weapon."
Bush says he "will not tolerate either country becomming a nuclear power". Oh really? WTF does he think has already happened? Oy vey.
Anyone looking for an excuse to go back to bed? If so, read the front page of the NYTimes article "Diplomacy Fails To Slow Advance Of Nuclear Arms
It will scare the hair off your head. Short version: N. Korea probably will test their new nukes soon. Iran, confident that the U.S. is so bogged down in Iraq, has been making haste with their nukes. Now it gets REALLy scary. There are increasingly "strong statements by Israeli officials that they will not tolerate the developement of an Iranian nuclear weapon."
Bush says he "will not tolerate either country becomming a nuclear power". Oh really? WTF does he think has already happened? Oy vey.
Re Alterman's comment: "a foolish consistency is the hobgobblin of little minds."
Emerson must be turning in his grave to see how far Bush has run with this!
Anyone looking for an excuse to go back to bed? If so, read the front page of the NYTimes article "Diplomacy Fails To Slow Advance Of Nuclear Arms
It will scare the hair off your head. Short version: N. Korea probably will test their new nukes soon. Iran, confident that the U.S. is so bogged down in Iraq, has been making haste with their nukes. Now it gets REALLy scary. There are increasingly "strong statements by Israeli officials that they will not tolerate the developement of an Iranian nuclear weapon."
Bush says he "will not tolerate either country becomming a nuclear power". Oh really? WTF does he think has already happened? Oy vey.
bigvic
So Clinton-Albright didn't have anything to do with NK going nucular? And anyone who thinks the diplomatic approach will stop Iran is dreaming. I'll take your bright WTF and put it here... WTF do you want to do about it?
Well, I was going to write that most irresponsible deeply-worthless Americans citizens who try to pretend they're responsible citizens and don't know crap at this point are now trying to decide which candidate to vote for less than 3 months away from the election so the right-wing media is now on hairstyles, personality and the candidate's wife instead of the many issues. These are the dumbass "undecideds" who will apparently decide the election. Disgusting that the world's most powerful country out there has such an idiotic population which still believes by 70% that Iraq was responsible for 911.
Holy cow! I'm sorry about the triple.
They must have meant cabinet makers.
The rightwing thugs have come to dominate America's media.
Those radio, TV or newspaper organizations they don't outright own like Murdoch's FAUX NEWS and Reverend Moon(beam)'s Washington Times or Clear Channel Radio are either infiltrated with numerous rightwing thugs (CNN, MSNBC) or they are scared silly by them (ABC, CBS & NBC).
In the "Brave New World" of Gooperland, USA, truth and justice have become victims while greed and grifting have beome the national pastime!
These are the dumbass "undecideds" who will apparently decide the election. Disgusting that the world's most powerful country out there has such an idiotic population which still believes by 70% that Iraq was responsible for 911.
As I say, after 30 years of official disinformation, can you really blame them totally, for being dumbasses? Sure, WE managed to be curious enough to ferret-out the facts for ourselves, and the Stupids are hardly off the hook, here, but they did have help.
I think it would be interesting to see how long the Soviet people, under the flow of crap from Pravda and Izvestia, took before 70% of them failed to buy the bullshit anymore. I mean, everything's got to have a shelf life. And in the US, especially after F-911, I believe we're on the verge of a major collapse of faith in our mass corporate media. One can pray.
It will scare the hair off your head. Short version: N. Korea probably will test their new nukes soon. Iran, confident that the U.S. is so bogged down in Iraq, has been making haste with their nukes. Now it gets REALLy scary. There are increasingly "strong statements by Israeli officials that they will not tolerate the developement of an Iranian nuclear weapon."
We should have signed a non-aggression treaty with North Korea. Why would we want to attack them unless they attacked South Korea? The treaty would have meant on-site inspections of their nuclear facilities and had they broken that part of the agreement, we could have withdrawn from it. We know everything that happens there with spy satellites. Now we have no inspections and they're building nuclear weapons. We gained nothing and lost in two big ways for our national security. Of course they would develop them as a deterrent against current US foreign policy. Same with Iran. We've done the same. They're now openly discussing bringing back the draft at the War College which will happen after the November election. Here's a 'letter to the editor' in my local fish-wrap this morning from a wing nut who apparently follows these developments and wants to completely martial American society:
Draft would strengthen U.S. military might
(name withheld)
Shreveport
The invasion of Iraq has unmasked a very real threat to our country. It is evident that our military is undermanned and undersupplied. The experts at the Army War College estimated that a force of 300,000 would be necessary to subdue and control Saddam Hussein and his country. We did subdue them with our 125,000 troops, but we cannot police the entire country and control guerrilla warfare with such a small force. I have personally spoken with soldiers returning to Iraq wearing starched but tattered fatigues, worn-out boots and who spoke of not having enough ammunition to feel safe on patrol. One stated that in his unit each soldier was allowed either a semi-automatic pistol with 16 rounds or an automatic rifle with 32 rounds. He personally purchased his own body armor.
We should also remember that prior to the Iraq invasion our list of fears included possible hot spots in North Korea, the Philippines, Sudan and Syria, among others. We have a military that is strained and that would not be prepared to fight another war if needed elsewhere. Currently, we are calling back soldiers who have already served tours in Iraq, and recently a 68-year-old psychologist was called up.
In my estimation, we need to increase defense spending. We should also re-implement the draft in order to strengthen the military. This draft should be of men and women aged 20 to 24 with gender-blind physical strength testing to determine if a person is capable of serving in the military. Those without the ability to serve in the military should be placed in other public service for a similar term. I think educational deferm
Sheesh, Condoliar is getting the soft-soap from Fat Timmeh.
september 2004 to be "national preparedness month" -
check out post by bob harris at thismodernworld.com
(tom tommorrow's site)
Brownshirts were thugs of the thirties
Never in America would we see such dirties
That was Germany they'd say
Never in the good ole' USA
But today we have Bushboy & Murdoch defining verities.
Anyone asking questions about Colin Powell should watch this latest C-Span Conference.
Some of our media members appear to be snapping out of their 9/11 dazy. I was suprized by the some of media members boldness - also watch Bush with this same group of people (Bush cut and ran from the unity conference journalist...in fear literally.)
Programs 11-20 of 667
Sec. of State Colin Powell Address at UNITY Conference
In Washington, Secretary of State Colin Powell addresses the UNITY conference, an association of journalists of color that meets every five years. The secretary speaks for roughly twenty minutes, after which he is expected to take questions from a small panel of journalists.
8/5/2004: WASHINGTON, DC: 1 hr. 20 min.
Wait to you see what questions some of those journalist asked.
Dennis 'fat boy' Hastert is pimping a
book on Russert.
Anonymous:
If you believe Bushboy, you'll believe anybody - even an admitted terrorist!
I saw the headline on CNN: "Democratic representative switches party". My first thought was "Please let it be Zell Miller". Nope. It's actually Rep. Rodney Alexander from Louisiana.
Anonymous lies: There's not a word about Kerry in that article.
EMD, Rudy....Uh, it was a joke.
Bushboy is like the football player who is running for a touchdown but going in the wrong direction.
Rightwingers being ignorant of the rules of the game, enthusiastically cheer him on!
Everyone who knows anything looks on appalled and amazed that such an incompetent fool could be on the field and was made QB by the Court ....er, Coach!
Al Qaeda has already endorsed Bush.
Ugh, MoDo v. Safire on John Kerry, MTP. Was Alan Colmes booked? I give it two minutes until they start talking about Teresa.
jps
Well, it took about 5 minutes.
There's nothing in that article about al Qaeda "preferring that John Kerry win."
You should try giving honesty a test-drive sometime, you'll find it surprisingly refreshing.
Up to 9/11/01 the worst thing that ever happened to America was Osama and al Qaeda.
Afterward the best thing that ever happened to Osama and al Qaeda was Bushboy.
Now the worst thing that ever happened to America is Bushboy & the Goopers.
And they only talked about her for 3-4 minutes!
William Safire quotes Rush Limbaugh on MTP this morning. Very classy!
Nim, you should try lightening up sometime. It's very refreshing.
Arrested Al Queda operative had plans
to disrupt election. Also admits they prefer that John Kerry win.
Anonymous
Nowhere in that article did I read "they prefer that John Kerry win." Would you point it out for me? Or were just trying to get me to read an arrest report for some reason? What?
Bush cut and ran from the unity conference journalist...in fear literally.
I thought it was more in anger than in fear. He faced everything that he hates during that encounter. His speech was not received well at all (a small smattering of applause here and there), the demonstrator standing up and screaming at him (you couldn't hear what he was saying, but Bush jumped when he started and although he continued speaking the camera panned away from him to show the guy being taken away by the SS). Then they laughed openly at him when he said our relations with the Native American tribes is one between sovereign nations. The reporters asked hard questions (especially on Iraq and Affirmative Action) for which he was not at all prepared. He tried so hard not to snear and chastise them but eventually couldn't help but do his "let me finish" bit. I think the UNITY Conference is now on the list with the NAACP as far as Bush is concerned.
It was a disaster.
It is not even clear that Tommy Franks, the fellow Midland Texan who commmanded the two wars that are the centerpiece of Bush's first term, will be there. On Stephanopolos, he would not even commit to endorsing Bush. Bushworld must be furious.
The Swift Boat Veterans for Truth have hired their own lawyers in response to the Kerry/Edwards campaign's threat of ruinous lawsuits for anyone who allows the independent 527 to purchase ad time at their media outlet. For some reason, the Democrats seem to have a problem with the actual practice of free speech, even after having their party chairman, Terry McAuliffe, call George Bush a deserter and John Kerry question the quality of his National Guard service. When the shoe moves to the other foot, suddenly the Democrats switch from "Bring It On" to "We'll Sue You Into Silence," quite a difference in tone
Loudmouth Matthews:
Described the Bush Boy and Pickles as "right out of the 50's. High school sweethearts".
Kerry and Teresa as "right out of the 60's. One could see them going out to see a foreign movie."
Right before I changed the channel, Piss asked "Do we want a president that sees things clearly?" Meaning the Bush Boy.
Matthews is a worthless bag of goo.
>When the shoe moves to the other foot, suddenly the Democrats switch from "Bring It On" to "We'll Sue You Into Silence," quite a difference in tone
So you think it is within your rights to LIE about someone, as the SV for Lies are doing, and not face the consequences. Interesting spin on personal responsibility you have there.
Or scroll down to where Bush says he's resourseful like the terrorists at attacking America:, fucking creep I couldn't stand to have to watch almost halfway through
President Bush, Signs H.R. 4613, DOD Appropriations Act for FY 2005
President Bush signs H.R. 4613, the Department of Defense Appropriations Act for Fiscal Year 2005.
8/5/2004: WASHINGTON, DC: 10 min.
If you have Real Player, move the little arrow about a third of the way across to skip most of the freak to begin listening.
Condi is spewing shit bigtime on MTP this a.m.
Mike,
I just caught that. What a joke. Saddam was dangerous, used weapons, etc.
Never did answer the question about not finding WMD.
Sad.
Liberated two countries, made the world safer, and so forth. Sheesh. Time to move to the new thread.
Complaining that the press corp is lax is like complaining that Vegas showgirls wear too much make-up.
Either learn to laugh at the clowns or stop going to the show.
Modo and Safire on MTP.
The only thing I want to say about Modo is: she has nice boobs.
Since Safire was on MTP, expect him to peddle the next Bushco lie from Condie this week.
Condie is so bad an interview that you drone out what she says. She is a filibuster. No wonder she'll never marry- she's a complete bore. Just ask her husban-errr the pResident.
Hey, Anonymous. Fess up your name and address, and we'll circulate flyers in your 'hood describing how you rape small girls.
Do these reporters just make this shit up? Where do they get it?
Hey, Anonymous. Fess up your name and address, and we'll circulate flyers in your 'hood describing how you rape small girls.
anonymous in nc
I bet you would. Life is good, don't let the hate control you anonymous in nc.
CNN is reporting that Pak govt is accusing US of blowing the cover of
al Queda guy Khan.
Someone said MSNBC is also reporting the same. George Steph on abc This Week said British and Pakistani papers are reporting the same. This thing is gathering steam. Looks like Howard Dean tripped the Bushco up. Incredibly stupid and incompetent. They don't know how to use a good thing to their advantage and in the process outed a newly recruited double agent.
I often think how wonderful it would be if Bush and Cheney just dropped dead. Then I remember, Hastert. Kerry just has to win in November.
I have kept copies of articles the past year that suggest that Colin Powell and Rice will both leave if Bush has a second term. This morn. on MTP, Russert asked Rice if she will return. She said she'll cross that bridge when she comes to it. The no-show Powell at the convention, and Rice this morn. Things are looking like they will be very different if Bush is re-elected. Tom Ridge out! I wonder who is next! I guess I would worry about having any reputation left after 4 yrs in this administration too. If McCain goes on the campaign trail next week with Bush, he is toast in my book too!
Plus, if anything happened to those two like that, it would rip the ostensible kid gloves right off the police state. Imagine Reichstag Fire followed by successful assassination of Hindenburg. We'd be an openly and proudly despotic state.
back OT, considering the 2000 rethug convention was described as "the last time this many blacks were up on stage with this type of group they were being auctioned," I think that Colon is afraid to get up on the stage this time around. since he's gone off the plantation a few times too many during this "reign of error" he's afraid the temptation will be too much for aWol and they'll literally sell him down the river
Once upon a time there was a pretty good news program on WGBH TV in Boston, The Ten O'Clock News. The late, eccentric, and always amusing, Jack Cole was one of the news readers. Once at the end of a story about the always sleezy Roy Cohn Jack Cole read " .... Cohn is appealing. In one sense of the word, at least." Jack Cole was fired by the "liberal" WGBH in Boston.
EPT | Email | Homepage | 08.08.04 - 9:05 am | #
My favorite anecdote about Jack Cole is when he said after a vapid puff piece, "We'll be back with more alleged news in a moment."
They gave him the speech to give and he threw it in the air:
"This is bullshit."
Then he picked up the papers humblely and said, "Okay, I'll do it."
But it was too late, Karl Rove found somebody else for the minstrel show act.
If it is of any comfort to you, atrios: not just the AMERICAN press corps is horrible but its Australian counterpart is nearly as horrible. On the other hand, 70% of Australian dailies are owned by one Rupert Murdoch, so that explains ...
Does it matter if Kerry lied to get his purple hearts/bronze star? I'm not saying he did lie but if he did and that's the cornerstone of his campaign...
Anybody else follow my line of thinking?
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