I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
T h i s p o s t i s r e a l l y w i d e .
What's with the double-wide formatting?
That is, in Mozilla & Firefox--what is this an IE only site?
goddamn blogger ate my template. hold on.
OmiGAWD! We can't have the opponents donating MO-neee!!! It's unnatural!
Ahhhhhh... much better. 
Hmmm...did she end that with:
"And then there'll be nothing standing in the way of Hillary Clinton!"
Because it just seems to go there, somehow....
Why these extremists might even donate up to the legal maximum! They can't do that!
...stopping at nothing to dfeat me
We've got her so scared she's misspelling words! Go get 'er, Stan!
oh my god. People are actually donating money to her opponent. How dare they!!!!
BTW, NPR is reporting only 10,000 for Kerry in Portland even though the local/seattle press is reporting 40-50,000.
Tell me it's just an oversight. Right.
Of course she says nothing of her billionair donors either.Why not bring up who donates to her cause?One Richard Mellon Scaife,or someone very much like him?
Stan the Man with the Plan. The SCLC revealed.
She has no election issues or platforms to run upon?
Hahaha- incumbent having to beg for fundage looks, well, like what it is.
Dfeat don't fail me now!
After I confirmed my transaction there was an internal service error. Did my donation go through or do I need to start all over again?
Godless liberal scum, obeying the maximum legal donation limits. Does ou...their perfidy know no bounds?
*gives Stan a twenty*
"The bank accounts of liberal special interests seem to have no limit."
Well that's exactly what I told my bank last month when they said I was overdrawn! I guess I wasn't special enough.
I will not rest and I will not tire until every repuglican has either seen the light and started to respect America, it's citizens and their rights or has fled to the Independent Chrisitian Evangelist States (ICES) of Missouri and Texas, never to be heard from again.
>Just one liberal website alone raised over $20,000 for Matsunaka in a matter of days! And there are literally dozens of liberal websites targeting me for defeat...
Oh, that's rough.
>>The bank accounts of liberal special interests seem to have no limit . . . The liberal special interests and the other democrats are stopping at nothing to dfeat me. They are pulling out all the stops and calling in the reserves...
I think I will give a little money to Stan, now.
I really hate whiners.
Musgrave proves that pond slime can take human form. There are plenty of very dumb members of the House, but her TV appearances come across like auditions for 'America's Dumbest Representative'.
"BTW, NPR is reporting only 10,000 for Kerry in Portland even though the local/seattle press is reporting 40-50,000.
Tell me it's just an oversight. Right."
-dogbreath
The Portland Fire Department released official numbers are 40-50,000 people.
Hey, I thought we were all uneducated and on welfare! What's this unlimited stuff? I'm starting to think I'm a failure as a liberal!!!!!!
Marilyn is a woman? I swear to god up until now I was thinking she was a man(like Marilyn Manson).
Also, this is OT, but I've been checking the LA Times electoral college map. If you go here and click on the interactive map, you'll see that Washington is blue, with Kerry 7% ahead, 8% undecided and 1%Nader. Right next door is Oregon, which shows Kerry 8% ahead, 4% undecided and 4% Nader. Yet Oregon is shown on the map as an undecided state. Seems to me that Oregon is MORE of a sure thing, based on those numbers.
Musgrave via OpenSecrets:
Raised: $2,231,685
Spent: $1,422,053
On Hand: $822,170
Her top PAC donor? The National Beer Wholesalers Association. Out-of-state contributions? 28% of the total.
Who'da thunk it? Gay-hater Marilyn is a fucking hypocrite.
Man, I feel so all powerful now, me and my ten buck donations.
Look out, Marilyn, Mr. Hamilton's comin' to getcha!
Hoo-ah.
The bank accounts of liberal special interests seem to have no limit . . .
Musgrave's PAC contributions? $338,803.
The special interests? Wal-Mart, the National Conservative Campaign Fund, Americans for a Republican Majority, et al.
Next up: Dick Cheney pleads poverty.
Is anyone else having problems with Act Blue consummating the sale?
In the conservative lexicon liberal is two steps above faggot.
I am too Nancy. Posted it above but have yet to get a comment from Atrios or anyone
Projecting.
Ms. Musgrave looks to be engaging in that now well-established right wingnut practice of "projecting." As anyone who's taken Psych 101, or has listened to anywhere from 2-to-2.5 seconds of Bush, Cheney, DeLay, Limbaugh, Hannity, Scarborough, etc. speaking (in Bush's case, trying to speak), knows, projection is when one attributes one's own undesirabe traits to other people or agencies, e.g., an asshole accuses other people of being assholes.
Ms. Musgrave, who, as I understand it, is a rather obsessive homophobe, and who devotes a great deal of her time and energy towards stamping out the gay menace that threatens to fray and destroy our great nation fiber, is not exactly what think most Americans would consider a mainstream, or, for that matter, stable, person.
I know lots of people. Some of the people I know don't give a fig about "the gay issue." Others care even less than that. Some think it's somewhat vital to promote and legislate "gay rights." Still others think that's a rather bad, and, in fact, immoral idea. But I really don't know of ANYBODY who is as OCD over the issue as I understand Ms. Musgrave to be. She seems, in a word, to be rather radical about it.
So along comes a Democratic challenger who, from just a cursory look at his positions, is all into general social justice issues, supports family farm assistance over more deference to ConAgra and ADM, is for more focus on education, and, lo and behold, has been endorsed by Greeley, Colo's Republican Mayor.
And, you guessed it, Ms. Musgrave is calling Mr. Matsunaka a "radical," or at least his supporters. Right.
By the way, "Matsunaka" is "middle pine tree." In Asia, Japan in particular, the pine is a symbol of steadfastness and strength, no matter the adversity, whether winter snows or summer storms. "Naka," middle, means "middle."
"Musgrave," derives from is Olde Celt meaning: "I fear I've latent lesbian tendencies. Must resist. Must. Fight. Urges. " or something like that.
Queequeg
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"But the troubling part is this -- if any of those kids from other countries who made good here win medals, it'll just be an excuse for the US to gloat about the wins. And, largely because of our asinine administration, I am really hoping that we don't even grab all that many bronze medals. Nothing would warm my heart more than to see other countries dominate this year -- and, ye trolls, before you jump on the out of context statement as proof that all liberals are commie pinko faggot atheist (two out of four ain't bad) America haters, look at it this way. There are 220 countries in the Olympics. 86 have never won any medals at all. America has won a buttload. For our government's behavior in the world over the last 3 1/2 years, we deserve to win none.
We really are Germany, 1936, except that we're not hosting -- and I hope to hell some other country gives us a Carl Lewis to bitch slap us back into the humility that this country had previously been known for. "
Ah, I get it, he doesn't want the US to win any medals at all (well maybe some bronze medals!) not because he hates the country but because...wait for it...we're Nazi Germany circa 1936!!!
I love this site, really I do. No where else can someone say something this moon-battery and have no one call them on it.
I'm having trouble delivering my turkee to Stan.
What's up?
Hey Karin..
on the LATimes map.. it says that Kerry's 50% lead in OR is at 'full MOE* range', referring to the margin of error.
In WA it's only 49% but no caveat on the MOE, so I'm guessing with that data they're not comfortable to call OR blue, even though on the right side, they show the last four election voting record for OR, gore, clinton, clinton, dukakis.
She sounds absolutely terrified of other peoples' money.
I want a picture, on election night. I want to see what she looks like when she loses. I don't just want her defeated. I want her crushed. I want to see her drained of her will to live.
"I love this site, really I do. No where else can someone say something this moon-battery and have no one call them on it."
How about someone saying "December 14th 2003, the date the international left lost all credibility", and yet he's still here 6 months later trying to claim that today, definately the left will lose all credibility? And meanwhile Iraq is fast approaching civil war, despite all his assurance way back then that capturing Saddam would end the insurgency? How can anyone be so moonbatty and not realise it?!
Good! Defeat her. This is the woman who authored the amendment to, for the first time, write discrimination against a group of Americans INTO the Constitution of the United States. A worse monster has never attacted the American Way before so directly. She's a hate-monger's hate-monger and anathema to all that is America.
"No where else can someone say something this moon-battery and have no one call them on it."
Darth Philly G
Uh, Philly, two points:
1. If you haven't seen "moon-battery" shit posted elsewhere, you don't get around much.
2. You're here, calling them on it.
Strike two, a swing and a miss.
No where else can someone say something this moon-battery
???
Moon-battery?
Uhh,I think you ought to refrain from calling the kettle to many names pal.
Me too. I'm having trouble w/Act Blue's web site. Can't complete my transaction or send e-mail to them. If anyone gets an answer please post.
Posted this a bit earlier... and totally, OT, but yet another example of the press being a shameless tool. Salon had another interesting article about Annie Jacobsen's crusade against Syrian musicians. What I found truly disturbing was the fact that a group called the Federal Air Marshal Association (FAMA) , is not an official government entity but, "several media accounts discussing Annie Jacobsen include statements from FAMA, ostensibly speaking on the government's behalf." All govt. agencies, of course, have refuted Jacobsen's allegations, yet the bonehead press insists on quoting a group whose head is not even a Federal Air Marshall.
I really recommend going to FAMA’s website, do not skip the intro- it is one of the most shameless pieces of propaganda and fear-mongering that I've seen, (okay, maybe not, but it is truly dispicable). It is infuriating that the press even quotes these people. The article is worth putting up with Salon's sponsorship ads.
I'm having trouble with the ActBlue site too. Get the same internal server error when I try to complete transaction. Any advise?
Donna,
I think Dick Cheney's behind it.
He is Satan's spawn, right?
Atrios: anytime Stan M is asking for $$$ I can think of no better post to have ready than Marilyn's blatherings about those liberal special interests. HEY ALL I'M A SPECIAL INTEREST!
Funny how libruls are either a bunch of deadbeat lowlifes who suck government teat and use food stamps to buy cheap beer OR they're so rich and powerful with such endless resources and connections that they can help a politician amass a "ballooning war chest".
I guess for ole Marilyn, it's the latter (til next week, anyway, when it becomes politically expedient to rank on all the Welfare Queens)
I don't know who this Matsunaka dude is, but I'm willing to toss him a bone so he can deliver the electoral ass-whuppin' this snotty ole lyin' beeyotch Church Lady deserves.
>I am too Nancy. Posted it above but have yet to get a comment from Atrios or anyone
Well, take heart that Act Blue has an overloaded server....with people falling over themselves to give liberal money!
And in the meantime, maybe Philly G can tell us how much money he has given to his candidates?
nancy,
it looks like you donated multiple times. I know you're generous, but I as sume you didn't intend to be that generous - you should contact actblue.
I don't see any other donation problems, but if you checked the box so that I could see your name and you want to know if your donation went through, send me an email
Oh, &&%$#@( fuckity fuck fuck.
I am getting this screen.
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damn damn damn damn.
nancy,
don't worry. the actblue people are real responsive - they'll take care of it.
and, nancy, I'd suggest that you *stop* reloading the page - I think you just made another donation..
AN,
Which website (blog) are you guys talking about? LGF or that Adam what's his name?
Steve
PS As a long time Colorado resident (going on 15 years) I am deeply offended by the mere existence of such hate-filled people, and especially when they manage to get elected to Congress... I too am looking for a thorough thrashing of that neo-Nazi M. Musk Grave.
The
unmitigated
gall
of
those
liberals.
I received this email from Colorado Stonewall Democrats which quoted Marilyn's own campaign statements:
"In Marilyn Musgrave's own words in a fundraising blastmail, "All the Homosexual Lobby needs to do [to ensure equal rights] is to defeat me for re-election this year so no one in Congress will stand up for traditional marriage." While we should be so lucky as to only have the anti-equality forces be reduced to one lone voice, Musgrave has appointed herself the guardian of this issue and all other radical "conservatives" are waiting to see whether her tactics will be politically successful or not."
She's a gem, isn't she? BTW, if you're having trouble with the actblue site, you can also go to stan2004.com. This is going to be uphill, but Stan is the man to beat her.
"How about someone saying "December 14th 2003, the date the international left lost all credibility", and yet he's still here 6 months later trying to claim that today, definately the left will lose all credibility? And meanwhile Iraq is fast approaching civil war, despite all his assurance way back then that capturing Saddam would end the insurgency? How can anyone be so moonbatty and not realise it?!"
Let's go to the video tape: Iraq is developing into a free country and got the most cheers of any nation outside of Greece at the Olympic games.
Meanwhile, John Kerry is desperately trying to portray himself to the RIGHT of Bush on many issues, on fiscal discipline and defense to name two issues. When was the last time you saw so many Vets at a Democratic convention? He's actually talked about pushing for a reduction in middle class and corporate taxes. Meanwhile, Edwards is talking about how he will "destroy Al Qaeda", not negotiate, not look at the "root causes" of their poverty, yadda yadda.
Meanwhile, Howard Dean, the progressive darling, is filling in to host for John McEnroe's show apparently and getting a 0.0 rating. He's also become the laughingstock of the entiire United States outside of "progressive" (read: people who like to empower their government to take OTHER people's money and re-distribute it) web sites like this one, where the supporters mostly engage in mental circle jerking anyway.
Yep, looks like I was right. Even if Kerry wins, which I do not foresee, don't look at it as if it's some validation for "progressive" policies. Kerry is no progressive, and he'd be balanced by a Republican House and Senate even if he wanted to become one. Socialism doesn't sell here.
Liberal liberals liberally liberating liberal librarians liberal liberal liberal. Liberal bad liberal liberals hate by liberally liberalizing their liberal liberalities. Liberals everywhere, they attack liberally with liberal might poor me crushed by liberals. LIBERALS! BOOOOOO!
this is an outrage! it's bad enough that treasonous liberals vote against their political opponents, but now they are donating money too? if strom thurmond had been elected president in '48 we wouldn't have all these problems now.
Hey while you are sending Matsunaka money could you send me a young man?
I am sure it will work out,
But....
In attempting to send them an email I am getting another This page can not be displayed.
Could you email me their phone number?
Nancy - Hi, I don't have their number but I sent the guy an email. I'll give you an update by email when I get it.
no imagination,
What a cheap shot, that website. Whoring the memories and the losses of September 11th for your own financial gain is utterly contemptable.
Steve
:-(
PS The cheesey PowerPoint word art at the top really shows their professionalism...
I got the same "error message" - don't know if my donation to Matsunaka went through or not. I mean, all this librul money's just burinin' holes in my pockets, I sure hope some librul politician can come and take it real quick, because I'll just die if we can't teach atheism in schools and give everyone welfare.
"Iraq is developing into a free country"
Darth
Wrong thread buddy.
What's thew matter Philly G? Hesiod went away so you had to find someone else to spend all your hours obsessing over?
And you wonder why people like us call people like Musgrave wackjobs.
Steve in CO, after reading the article and visiting the website, I was enraged. I am sick of this whole shameless, "Whoring the memories and the losses of September 11th" and that this group is given even a shred of legitimacy by the press. But what should I expect when they're acting as the Swift Boat Liars have even a shred of legitimacy? Good thing it's after noon, time for a Samuel Smith Taddy Porter.
"kerry's no progressive."
i thought he was the #1 most liberal senator!!!
they just make this shit up as they go.
"Whoring the memories and the losses of September 11th"
Yeah so let's whore the memories and losses of Vietnam.
There are so many easy shots to take at Philly, that I feel guilty. It's like kicking cripples. But here's one:
The reason Kerry is preaching fiscal reponsibility is not because he's moving to the right of Bush, it's because Bush has abandoned all principles of conservatism and his party. And as Bush has no principled position, right or left, it is therefore impossible to move farther either way. The only option is to HAVE principles, which would be a welcome change.
I got more if you want it.
"Yeah so let's whore the memories and losses of Vietnam." Jim McManGravy
Get bent you slimy bloodlusting whore. Man I AM pissed.
Remember, Iraq spelled backward is Vietnam.
I got more if you want it.
cosmic grappler
Yeah honey I want it. I want all of it. All 3 inches of it. Now.
Page problems: GOP Marketplace's New Hampshire phone jamming redux?
Jim McManGravy, figures that you have to blindly suck up to someone just to get satisfaction.
no imagination,
Don't get pissed. These asshats don't give a shit about GIs, veterans, Vietnam, Iraq, you, me, or anyone else.
To get mad at them is like getting mad at the chimps in the zoo who fling shit. Their's is not an intellectual activity, trust me.
Jim McManGravy, figures that you have to blindly suck up to someone just to get satisfaction.
no imagination
MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM suck up. Every drop will be mine. Then I will resign.
Yeah honey I want it. I want all of it. All 3 inches of it. Now.
Jim McManGravy
I rest my case.
I rest my case.
cosmic grappler
Yeah you should rest up. We're going to be getting it on all night honey.
Back on-topic,
I know Stan's a long shot, but does anyone know how long the odd are?
I mean, I'd really like to unseat this evil woman.
It's a good thing there are all these political sex scandals to give the wingnuts something to beat off to besides the scrambled porn on their cable systems or the marble breasts of a DOJ statue.
I know Stan's a long shot, but does anyone know how long the odd are?
150:1
Completely OT:
I was wondering if there is any plan to counter Bush if he ends up catching Osama in Sep. or Oct. There's definitely action (no doubt hindered by their outing of Kahn) in the Pakistan-Afghanistan region right now, which says to me their ramping up their efforts. Can't Howard Dean come out and say that they are obviously trying to time Osama's capture as an October surprise? This needs to get out, because without public suspicion of it, Kerry's toast if Osama is caught soon.
More cynically, what if one day before the election, the Bushies *lie* about having caught Osama and say they'll release the non-existant evidence in a few days. But then later on, we learn -- whoops! -- it really wasn't him and the evidence was mistaken.
It's a good thing there are all these political sex scandals to give the wingnuts something to beat off to besides the scrambled porn on their cable systems or the marble breasts of a DOJ statue.
Stinky
Yeah it's all about the sex. Not about corruption. Keep thinking that, cause I don't want to go to prison. Although I bet it wouldn't be all that bad... Hmmmm dropping the soap...
Bobby,
There's not much anyone can do to inoculate Kerry against that big of an October surprise.
I wish there were.
In fact, I fully expect them to wheel OBL out at the last minute, frozen as a popsicle, freezer burn in his beard.
cosmic grappler, I know I shouldn't be pissed, and in fact, when I post, it is rare for me to engage in mudslinging with mindless trolls. For some reason, that intro to the FAMA site just really got on my nerves...and the fact that the press acts as if this group is legitimate. It's not like I don't know that the media is a tool..still, I'm sick of it all.
no imagination,
That's why we're here, to help each other stay optimistic and positive.
Yeah, I know I sound like a Hallmark card, but my mother wanted me to be a preacher and I can't help it.
still, I'm sick of it all.
Awww come here. (soon to be ex)Govenor McManGravy will make you feel better.
150:1
You have got to be kidding!Is Colorado that off base?Are they that fundamental up there or is it that they are just extrabrainwashed?
If the odds are that long,what difference is a little more money going to make?I mean it must mean that Colorado has chosen to be more rigthwing than most fo the rest of the country.
Too bad.I wnated to go there for a vacation someday.But,untill they get a litttle less ideologic,I will refuse to spend any of my money there.
Homophobia is so tragic.
Homophobia is so tragic.
Nancy Richardson
Who's a homophobe?
Homophobia is so tragic.
Nancy Richardson
Yeah so is appointing a poet/boyfriend to the NJ Dept. of Homeland Security.
cosmic grappler, that's why after 2 years of lurking, I finally decided to post.. very cathartic. And you know, I'd much prefer the David Patterson or Robert troll, rather than this moronic homophobe.
Who's a homophobe?
Your dear leader and Homophobe in charge.
Liberals with money! Who knew?
"Homophobia is so tragic." Nancy Richardson
Yes, usually a sign of latency.
I'm sorry Philly G, I searched and searched your reply, and I didn't see any mention at all of the words "Najaf" or "Moqtada al-Sadr" in it: shurely shome mishtake? (sic)
I did see some remarkably stupid opinions disguised as political fact: Iraq being cheered at the Olympics? Perhaps the world-wide audience just likes anyone who kills Americans? And considering that the Palestinian team recieved an equal ovation, one could just as easily assume that it's people involved in Jihad that the audience loves... But I'm sure you have both sworn affidavits as to the reason from the audience for the cheering, and the recorded decibel levels for each countries cheers to back up this remarkable political insight you have between response at a sporting event and a nations political health, yes?
And then the Howard Dean comment: Classic Philly G! Let's assume for a moment that there was a certain Right Wing person who also took over sportscasting for a major network... Obviously that person, because of the intimate link Philly has revealed between someone's political popularity and his or her ability to comment on sports action, would do astoundingly well in that job, wouldn't he Philly? I'll bet that commentator would get 5.0 ratings, right?!
I'll leave it to someone else to remind Philly who that person was, and what happened to him.
But let's just ask our resident Oracle one direct question:
'Even if Kerry wins, which I do not foresee...'
If it turns out that Kerry does win, will you come back here and apologise for lecturing us all when your own understanding of political reality was so abberant? Or will you just sink ever further into this insane form of libertarian self-justification and claim that Kerry shouldn't have won, and it's because no one else has the quality of understanding that blah, blah, blah...?
Wait, what am I saying? You still haven't admitted you called the capture of Saddam Hussein wrong: How many US troops killed this month Philly? Well, bullshit's never welcome anywhere Philly: continue swallowing it yourself if you like, but kindly stop shoveling it around here.
I know Stan's a long shot, but does anyone know how long the odd are?
cosmic grappler
Haven't seen any recent polling, but it appears doable. The (Republican) mayor of Greeley supports Stan, and she has sided with Big Agra against local farmers.
The good people of Ault and Timnath may not like them there homos, but I suspect they'll vote their pocketbooks.
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June 11, 2004, Rocky Mountain News, by Deborah Frazier
Excerpt from the article:
U.S. Rep. Marilyn Musgrave is running neck and neck with challenger Stan Matsunaka in the 4th Congressional District race, a poll revealed Thursday. The privately commissioned poll found that 48 percent of registered voters in the district favor re-electing Musgrave. But 45 percent of the 400 voters polled would support second-time Democratic challenger Stan Matsunaka, according to the poll by Ridder/Braden Inc.
Musgrave's office wasn't available for comment. Matsunaka, who announced his candidacy May 19, says he entered the race because he believes Musgrave's support has diminished significantly since 2002, when they first faced off for the district seat. "I thought I was never going to run again," he said. "Even when people approached me to run again, I've wanted to see something that said 2004 is a different year."
Poll results concerning Musgrave show:
* Of registered Democrats, 47 percent view Musgrave very unfavorably.
* Among Republican voters, 63 percent view her favorably, but 22 percent hold a negative opinion of her.
* When unaffiliated voters were asked how they viewed Musgrave, 43 percent said "unfavorably" and 41 percent viewed her favorably.
Poll results concerning Matsunaka:
* Of unaffiliated voters, Matsunaka has a 36 percent favorable rating.
* Among self-identified "weak Republicans," he earned a 43 percent favorable rating and an 11 percent unfavorable rating.
Homophobia is so tragic.
Nancy Richardson
I might also add that this is tragic for his wife and children too. But I guess that doesn't mean a damn thing to you seeing as adultery seems to be the mainstay of Dem politics.
I can't believe the odds are 150 to 1. Anyone else have an idea, or is this accurate?
>Yes, usually a sign of latency.
Yeah, but this one might as well head down to the nearest gay bar, throw sign on his back which says 'ready for recruitment' and
have a few beers.
>Yeah so is appointing a poet/boyfriend to the NJ Dept. of Homeland Security.
Are you aware that CERTS is both a candy mint and a breath mint?
Or will you just sink ever further into this insane form of libertarian self-justification and claim that Kerry shouldn't have won, and it's because no one else has the quality of understanding that blah, blah, blah...?
No we will just say the election was stolen. One million white were disenfranchised blah blah blah.
>I can't believe the odds are 150 to 1. Anyone else have an idea, or is this accurate?
No it isn't. Silly. You have been trolled.
No fixes odds for a congressional race. The race between MM and Stan was very tight last time out.
Thanks jac,
There is hope. That's all I ask.
"Liberals with money! Who knew?"
Hecate
And power! First, we use our influence to stack the Supreme Court with ultra liberal activist judges, see.
And then we get the court to install Hillary as president after she loses the popular vote in a disputed election in a state where her brother is governor and facilitates the disenfranchisement of thousands of conservative voters wrongly accused of being convicted felons...
Well, hope is not all I ask. In fact, hope isn't even in the top 10, but it's a start.
>But I guess that doesn't mean a damn thing to you seeing as adultery seems to be the mainstay of Dem politics.
Sure right....and Arnold Swartznegger, Rudy Guilani, Robert Livingstone, Dan Burton, Henry Hyde, George Bush pere and Newt Gingrich agree....Democrats are all....
adulterors!!
No we will just say the election was stolen. One million white were disenfranchised blah blah blah.
Earl Turner
And then we get the court to install Hillary as president after she loses the popular vote in a disputed election in a state where her brother is governor and facilitates the disenfranchisement of thousands of conservative voters wrongly accused of being convicted felons...
Stinky
Get your own material asshole.
Come to me, my obsessional friend, come to meeeeeeeeeee.....
'No we will just say the election was stolen. One million white were disenfranchised blah blah blah.'
One million white men? That's funny, I could have sworn that the claim was about the disenfranchisment of black people: And I could also have sworn that Florida was making efforts to avoid that occuring again this time, even going as far as releasing the felons list so people could remove their name from it if they'd been illegally disqualified before voting time: Anyone would think you didn't really care what we were really saying, or what the issues were at all Earl... that you just wanted to be asshole... and surely there are no assholes on the right?!
Still, good to see the return of yet another past trolling name again. Do you plan to register this one when Eschaton goes over to a secure user system?
Stinky,
Don't forget having a close relative, say a father who is former head of national intelligence, to supply his legal team.
And oh, by the way....
We really deserve much better trolls.
Sure right....and Arnold Swartznegger, Rudy Guilani, Robert Livingstone, Dan Burton, Henry Hyde, George Bush pere and Newt Gingrich agree....Democrats are all....
How many of them had wives and children then decided to screw a guy?
...as adultery seems to be the mainstay of Dem politics.
Such a selective memory. Newt, the guy who was originlly running against Obama...The right is FULL of ignorant fools.
What's up with stupid military campaign names like "Cajun Mousetrap III? I'm sure the Iraqi people appreciate America bombing them to assist their freedom of movement.
One million white men? That's funny, I could have sworn that the claim was about the disenfranchisment of black people
I was being snarky. I thought that was obvious.
Thanks jac. As a recent labor market casualty, I don't have much to give, but I just gave him some turkee anyway.
Nancy,
It's the weekend. Karl's given the usual trolls the day off and now we're dealing with temps.
There's no Middle School on Saturday.
Get your own material asshole.
Earl Turner
Yes, because you can't deal with the truth...
You're welcome, CG.
Reason for optimism: Bob Barr lost his seat because he spent all his time obsessing over Clinton and guns. Several House impeachment managers lost their seats. Ignore your constituents' issues at your peril.
Such a selective memory. Newt, the guy who was originlly running against Obama...The right is FULL of ignorant fools.
Bliekker
He wasn't cheating on his wife idiot. He wanted to have sex in public with her at some theater. The left is FULL of ignorant fools.
How many of them (Republicans) had wives and children then decided to screw a guy?
Caliber
Probably more than you or I will ever know. Many more.
Get your own material asshole.
Earl Turner
Yes, because you can't deal with the truth...
Bliekker
You seem to miss the point. I posted that BEFORE you.
Since this bimbo has now made it known that they're aware a website had raised 20K for her opponent, it's only reasonable to assume that the likes of Karl Rove and the other fascist dark lords hiding in the shadows of the GOP are plotting ways to eliminate that benefit to democrats.
Expect the republicans to start considering legislation or other off the books tactics to limit blogs and their ability to aid democrats.
MYOB'
.
Probably more than you or I will ever know. Many more.
cosmic grappler
Oh wow wishful empirical evidence. My favorite!!!
jac,
As a shooter myself, I loved the scene when Barr and some of his supporters had a little trouble being too quick on the trigger, so to speak.
That was great.
"We really deserve much better trolls."
Nancy Richardson
Agreed. Upthread, I was just lamenting that fact that this guy isn't even up to David Patterson's "standards."
>How many of them had wives and children then decided to screw a guy?
Oh, yeah...you remember this guy named Michael Huffington.
But with regard to closeted Republicans in public office....
this is place you don't want to go.
Caliber,
Are you possibly suggesting there are no closeted homosexuals in the GOP?
No, I didn't think so. That would be just stupid.
How many of them (Republicans) had wives and children then decided to screw a guy?
Caliber
Let's not forget that they also don't put their lovers in Homeland Security positions that they are not qualified for in any way.
PLEDGE YOUR VOTE!
Go to Congress.org http://congress.org/congressorg/home/
and click on "pledge your vote" tab on the left.
The site is keeping track of voter trends, and electoral totals. They just started this option.
This site also is handy for reviewing all the local races in your area. Under "election 2004", you type in your zip code and it lists all the races in your area with links to the candidates web sites. Very handy.
I hope you wander over and pledge your vote.
"But I guess that doesn't mean a damn thing to you seeing as adultery seems to be the mainstay of Dem politics."
Earl Turner
Really, Earl? Do these names ring a bell?
Henry "youthful indiscretion" Hyde, Dan "lovechild" Burton, Newt "I screwed my staffer, too" Gingrich, Joe "Dead Intern" Scarborough, Tim "God has forgiven me just in time for the election (that I lost)" Hutchinson, Bob "it wasn't wrong til everyone found out about it" Livingston...
I won't even get into the myriad of conservative pundits who have preached "family values" they couldn't live up to. But I digress...
Sorry for feeding the troll, but sometimes they just make it so easy...
Are you possibly suggesting there are no closeted homosexuals in the GOP?
No, I am saying that they aren't dumb enough to get caught and they don't appoint their lovers to high paying jobs. Jobs that deal with protecting us.
OK, gotta go to my first Veterans for Kerry meeting.
We are determined to win North Carolina.
He wanted to have sex in public with her at some theater. The left is FULL of ignorant fools.
The original news reports I heard were that he wanted her to have sex with another man why he watched. And anyway, there's still Newt.
"Let's not forget that they also don't put their lovers in Homeland Security positions that they are not qualified for in any way." Earl Turner
I always wondered how Tommy Ridge got that job.
>No, I am saying that they aren't dumb enough to get caught and they don't appoint their lovers to high paying jobs. Jobs that deal with protecting us.
Oh, really???
LOL
The original news reports I heard were that he wanted her to have sex with another man why he watched.
Yeah then it was downgraded to just wanting to have sex in front of others. I guess you hate contractions huh?
OT:
In case you had any other doubt, while the SCLM tries to ignore it once again, The BBC would like you to know that when it comes to Iraq -- we are still fucked.
Now back to your normal programming.
Who is Marilyn Musgrave? Is that like Marilyn Manson?
We'll "man" the trolls for you cosmic
And has anyone looked into Perry's patronage appointees?
I loved the scene when Barr and some of his supporters had a little trouble being too quick on the trigger, so to speak.
That was great.
cosmic grappler
The one where the gun went off inside? That was classic.
A (Republican) coworker of my wife's ended up at a Barr fundraiser - the company had made a donation and had a ticket, and no one else wanted to go. Had his picture taken with Charlton Heston, yada yada.
The guy is STILL getting solicitations, and it drives him nuts. 
I'm a special interest with much clout
Here are my waiter tips.
Musgrave's out.
I guess you hate contractions huh?
No the story wasn't that important so I didn't care to follow up. People who are obsessed with the sexual lives of others (as you seem to be) usually have some sort of neurosis.
Also, this is OT, but I've been checking the LA Times electoral college map. If you go here and click on the interactive map, you'll see that Washington is blue, with Kerry 7% ahead, 8% undecided and 1%Nader. Right next door is Oregon, which shows Kerry 8% ahead, 4% undecided and 4% Nader. Yet Oregon is shown on the map as an undecided state. Seems to me that Oregon is MORE of a sure thing, based on those numbers.
Karin | Email | Homepage | 08.14.04 - 1:12 pm | #
Karin: they have Hawaii listed as a swing state.
Ha-fucking-wai'i.
Ignore their categories.
Boy, this thread did a transcontinental turn - all the way from Colorado to New Jersey in just a couple of posts. Anybody expecting to keep running the Jersey GuvLuv story for a long spell is going to be disappointed. Here in Philadelphia, the paper's already given coverage to the ex-lover's allegations; if it's running through the mainstream media that quickly, the whole mess should vanish into Tabloid Land pretty soon. And not a moment too soon to suit me.
Guess I've got the wrong perspective - I thought the FAMA site was (unintentionally) hilarious, from the stupid intro with its ominous music and faux-patriotism to the long-winded blather of the mission statement, which was pure shuck 'n jive. It's a shame that this outfit is actually taken seriously.
Who is Marilyn Musgrave? Is that like Marilyn Manson?
Very similar, except she is really crazy, instead of just pretending to be crazy.
contractions
BTW, don't you mean 'corrections'?
But the use of 'contractions' seems to indicate that where your neurosis lies.
>Yeah then it was downgraded to just wanting to have sex in front of others. I guess you hate contractions huh?
Honey. I don't care about Jack Ryan's sex life. The people who ashcanned him were the Republicans, who were very pissed off about him lying to them about the nature of the records he had sealed.
But making your wife cry about being pressured to have sex in front of others is such a turn off.
If you wanna get into weird sexual and kinky sexual behavior, the Republicans have the Dems beat all to hell.
If you wanna get into people installing their lovers in patronage positions, the republicans have us beat all to hell.
But if you wanna make dirty jokes about gay people...and then turn it around this faux outrage about corruption, you Republicans might not like that look in the mirror.
So go Cheney yourself.
Forgive my gramatical disasters, multi-tasking is a bitch.
'Let's not forget that they also don't put their lovers in Homeland Security positions that they are not qualified for in any way.'
No, the Republican way is to put people who admit themselves that they are completely unqualified people into control of the ENTIRE Homeland Security, because they happen to share your ideological biases.
See what I mean folks? This particular troll is so eaten up with anger, he no longer knows or cares what he's saying... 'I was being snarky'? Oh, please do explain how getting the ethinicty of the voters denied there rights 100% wrong somehow translates into a conscious snark at liberals... We'd hate to be missing out upon this pearl of Right Wing Wisdom! I'm sure if you can explain it to us, readership here at Eschaton will just plummet in the face of your all powerful snark...
So go Cheney yourself.
Such a useful phrase.
We'd hate to be missing out upon this pearl of Right Wing Wisdom!
Heh!
Granted Miss Marilyn does fully deserve to be removed, I still have to put in my vote for Trent Franks, (R-AZ, 2nd) as the most damned SOB walking. To quote from this week's New Times:
Franks didn't return repeated phone calls seeking comment. But his record speaks for itself.
The Congressman's sleaze with PAC funding and campaign finance is aggravated by two remarkable priors: First, he needs the special interest money to satisfy personal debt; second, his inner circle is, and always was, tainted by the three stooges of Arizona political ethics -- Evan Mecham, Charles Keating and J. Fife Symington III.
You add AzScam's Bobby Raymond to this unholy trio and you need a computer to tally all the indictments.
Although he relentlessly touts himself as a fiscal conservative, Congressman Franks' claim amounts to identity theft. Nearly two decades of public life rattle with back taxes due, tax liens, lawsuits, judgments, car repossession, expired auto tags and federal fines. For much of this period, he nickel-and-dimed taxpayers until you could picture him wandering around church picnics with a Post-it note on his forehead that read: "Deadbeat."
If Congressman Trent Franks was your brother-in-law, you would fire your sister.
But he's not some shirt-tail relative with a series of get-rich scams. He has moved from working oil and gas leases to serious debt on the public dole.
None of his current problems should surprise anyone in District 2, which encompasses the west side of Phoenix and Mohave County. He's been a paycheck short from day one.
A one-term state legislator elected in 1984, Franks drove, inexplicably for a young man, a large Lincoln Continental. While he sat in the statehouse, his car sat in the capitol parking lot with out-of-state Oklahoma license plates. The license plates had expired. In 1985, the tags on the car read 1982. The vehicle was never registered in Arizona. Franks explained at the time that he did not have the title.
Okay, Representative Franks, who had the title?
Actually, the bank had the title. The bank had the title because the bank had repossessed the car nearly two years before. The bank was in the process of transferring the title from Oklahoma to Arizona so that the bank could then put a lien on the Lincoln.
Representative Franks admitted at the time that the Lincoln lien was "a little embarrassing to me."
...it goes on.
Unfortunately, Cameron, there are a lot people who eat this shit up, and the talking heads will give them an aura of legitimacy- as a legitimate opposing viewpiont in the name of fairness; as if lying was somehow worthy of merit.
"closeted homosexuals in the gop. . ."
i've believed for a long time that george w. bush is gay.
i've believed for a long time that george w. bush is gay.
Most likely bi-sexual.
Much, much better informed trolls please.
>Most likely bi-sexual.
Probably non-sexual.
Condi and Karen are strictly mom figures.
"Well, you got a pretty face," [Bush] told the surprised Mr. Reid. He wasn't done. "You got a pretty face," he said again. "You're a good-looking guy. Better looking than my Scott anyway."
Did everybody who could afford it give their turkee? Good...
Is our children "edumacated"? No wonder the GOP wants standardized testing...
Nancy,
You could draw that conclusion now, but from the decscriptions of his behavior when he was younger...I still opt for the...well the way I put it. I don't really care...but it is amusing when he says thing like the bit I posted above.
Yeah, I'll give in about a week when i get paid for some stuff. Meanwhile, I sent this to the Musgrave website:
"Well hee, hee, hee. A Rethuglican (the name you get for that Brooks Brothers riot you guys staged to stop the vote count in Florida in 2000, not like the voting process is sacred in a democracy or anything) complaining that the dreaded liberals could cause you to be out-funded.
"Couldn't you just ask some of your mining supporters who want to put more arsenic, cyanide and mercury in our water to pony up the difference? Maybe a coal company that wants miners to have to breath more coal dust. Perhaps some ranchers who, though very VERY independent free-market businessmen, don't actually want to pay free-market prices to graze their herds on federal lands. Maybe some of those drug companies that don't want Americans to get the same prices for their prescriptions that Canadians do.
So sorry, so sorreeee! You poor mistreated child.
Hee, hee, hee!"
So, you know, send Matsunaka some turkee and send Musgrave some affectionate comments. The poor, mistreated child. Gosh, all these people sending 50 bucks at a time when she has nothing but the backing of millionaires. Poor thing.
It's not enough to beat them. After what they have done to us for more than 20 years, from the beginning of the rise of Jerry Falwell, I want to rub their faces in it.
Condi and Karen are strictly mom figures.
Heh heh.
Bush is an omnisexual- he takes it any way he can get it and screws everyone.
Bliekker,,
Yeah, but...
Bush's sexuality is one for the books.
And is a lot more complicated than is he straight or is he gay.
I find him socially inept, and find it hard to believe he would allow anyone to get close enough to find out.
"Caliber,
Are you possibly suggesting there are no closeted homosexuals in the GOP?
No, I didn't think so. That would be just stupid.
cosmic grappler | Email | Homepage | 08.14.04 - 2:27 pm | #"
Oh! Oh! ...and the US didn't secretly go into Cambodia because the Government told me so.
I find him socially inept
Well, I don't think he was that way when he was drinking heavily. He most likely learned to socialize in an alcoholic haze, and can't socialize normally when sober. Now he has the un-sociable characteristics of a dry drunk. I've known a lot of people who were just like that. The inability to socialize was a driving force for them to start drinking again.
I think that Mark Crispin Miller had it about right in the Bush Dyslexicon:
Bush is a sociopath.
As long as we all over the place, did anyone see Malkin on Real Time? The audience was laughing at her. She looked really pissed off. Of course she alway looks really pissed iff.
At one point she was trying to explain her book and she didn't mention the wotd "internment" once. Her description made it sound like she was defending the way we waged war in WWII. It was as if even she was embarressed to state her thesis in sane company.
My apologies for the problems on ActBlue earlier - things are back in order.
Your contributions did go through despite the error page, and we've made sure there are no duplicate charges.
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Your contributions did go through despite the error page, and we've made sure there are no duplicate charges.
matt | Email | Homepage | 08.14.04 - 3:26 pm | #
Awesome response.
Even tho I did nto contribute,I find this kind of response reassuring.
I wonder if the other side would even consider fixing,then responding in such a timly mannor.If they would even bither.Probably just take your money and say fuck you very much.
Hey Nancy (and anyone else have trouble with ActBlue),
If you're still around, could you send email to matt@actblue.com precisely describing your problem, and also include your phone number just in case?
Thanks!
make her cry.
"As long as we all over the place, did anyone see Malkin on Real Time?"
linky? Would be fun to watch.
...did anyone see Malkin on Real Time?
No, but I remember something similar happening when she was on a Cspan program a few months back.
A viewer called in and completely blew her winger arguments right out of the water. She sat there and stared at the desk in front of her, eyes down like a kid that got caught in a Big Lie.
She looked like she was ready to cry.
Was that a typo, or did she really say that other loercase-d democrats are stopping at nothing? I know the rethugs are anti-Democrat, but it's nice to see one admitting she's against democrats as well.
"She looked like she was ready to cry."
Central Scrutinizer
Maybe that was her conscience piercing her black heart... not.
hehehehe . . .
Zogby International will soon begin tracking the 2004 Presidential election in four new Battleground States: Colorado, Arizona, North Carolina and Virginia. Polling in these four states will be available as a supplementary package in addition to the 16 States already being followed. We will begin our interactive survey on August 16th and continue until October 4th. Five reports will be published (1 report in August, 2 reports in September, and 2 reports in October), examining the findings in these additional states.
The most recent poll of Colorado was mid-June, and Bush was only 5 points ahead. Any takers on a bet that Kerry is ahead now?
> but from the decscriptions of his behavior when he was younger
Oh, yeah...that doesn't count. I figure he was screwing everything that wasn't tied down.
But sexuality when drunk is less about sexual orientation, and more about self gratification.
Doncha think. I mean we all know people like that....whose sexual preference is ultimately who is around to service them at the moment.
By the way....
Act Blue fixed my problem, and earned their tip!
Not that I'm denigrating anyone who gives $$$ to a campaign, but is this what democracy has become? I mean I know realistically, that this is the system and you gotta play the game, but what does that say?
Yeah, right. And the Christian fundamentalists are doing what? Hmmm?
And can this woman get through a whole paragraph without uttering the word LIBERAL? Prollie not.
Stop attacking Malkin. Where does she argue for internment in her new book "In Defense Of Internment?" YOu liberals are pathetic. We are, however, very balanced and fair.
wow--there are DOZENS of websites with liberals on them?! and some of us have as much as TWO THOUSAND dollars in our checking accounts?!
i am drunk with power.
way to go, Atrios & crew!
Here's Malkin complaining that there won't be nearly enough "conservatives" speaking at the Repug convention.
(Warning, this link takes you to Malkin's very own blog.)
>Here's Malkin complaining that there won't be nearly enough "conservatives" speaking at the Repug convention.
Well, I for one agree with Malkin. There aren't enough conservatives speaking at the Republican Convention.
>but what does that say?
We have finally figured out that putting out money where our mouths are is investing in our children's future.
what a great comments thread. Can't think of a single comment that hasn't already been made!!!!
Wouldn't it be sweet to defeat Bush, Specter, and Musgrave this November? In your face, wingnuts!
Central Scrutinizer:
"Blew her winger arguments right out of the water"? To you, certainly. And to the caller, too. But Malkin (translates very loosely as "bad relation", in my dictionary) was undoubtedly hearing the buzz of an annoying insect, thinking "oh, will you just shut up, fer Chrissakes?", but unable to say it out loud. Trust me, these people really really believe they're right, and evidence to the contrary....isn't. Eric Hoffer called it "fact-proof", and boy howdy are they ever.
>but what does that say?
And the person who makes a small donation becomes invested in the political process. They are more likely to become active in the campaign they support financially, as well as work like the devil to get their condidate elected.
They are more likely to be up on the issues, be able to argue for their candidate...
and other wise more active in all of the community.
Nobody attacks people who give to charity? Why should giving money to someone one politically supports be only for rich republicans who do it for business reasons?
Oops. That's mr at 4:04. Cookies, yum!
Ah, as the Rovians were outed on the "you can't win give up" theme. Now the new theme is "all democrats commit homosexual adultery." How about the Republican that tried to lure a little girl with promises that she could "see his puppy?" How about the Republican that pleaded guilty to charges of child pornography? At least, in this case, there were consenting adults involved. Not to excuse the behavior of the governor. Repub or Dem he screwed up. No question. Whatever he gets he deserves. But for people who have "family values" I guess Repub pedophiles don't bother you. Where's the outrage?
me, not mr. but you knew that...
Seriously, what would bring a person like Malkin to the delusional point that somehow in the U S of A it is okay to herd a bunch of innocent people into concentration camps?
I can understand the have-mores backing the conservatives into order to preserve their wealth and power. I can even understand the fundies' fear of reckoning in the next world bringing them to follow the likes of Jimmy Swaggert.
But I cannot fathom the thinking of the non-rich and the non-fundie to accept and excuse the rape, torture, and murder of Iraqis and call that 'freedom'. The 'fiscally conservative' who now believes that somehow a 300 billion dollar deficit is acceptable. Or people like Malkin.
OT but worth mentioning:
Today's LA Times "Bush to Cut Indian Housing He Praised":
"...Bush, during a speech Wednesday in Albuquerque, praised the program as making the American dream available to all. He did not mention plans to cut its money..."
I'm trying to keep score, so do I file this under Lies, Misleading, or Flip-Flops?
Just askin'...
Sorry if this is o.t., but if there are any in this audience who like to read really good mystery-styled fiction, click on cosmic grappler's homepage.
The man is an excellent writer. His prose will invoke/involve all your senses in a flowing river of noir
starkness.
As the Japanese American she pictured on the cover lived in Hawaii, internment wouldn't have stopped him.
The evacuation of Japanese-Americans was from the West Coast. Japanese Americans in Hawaii were not interned.
At one point during "Real Time," a liberal comedian (Hughley?) who knew nothing about Malkin's book asked what would have happened if WWII profilers had thought Malkin was Japanese and had interned her. Priceless.
BTW, Maher was defending the profiling of Arabs and Muslims. I've never been a big fan of his, but Real Time can be quite good at times.
Seriously, what would bring a person like Malkin to the delusional point that somehow in the U S of A it is okay to herd a bunch of innocent people into concentration camps?
She calls them "relocation camps" just like the Nazi's did.
So, if you believe gay marriage doesn't belong in the constitution you're an extremist?
It would seem more the other way around...
OT but worth mentioning:
Today's LA Times "Bush to Cut Indian Housing He Praised":
"...Bush, during a speech Wednesday in Albuquerque, praised the program as making the American dream available to all. He did not mention plans to cut its money..."
jay-zus, how many times has he done this?
It's like when Michael Corleone gives you the Kiss of Death.
the irony of a GOP candidate whining about a Dem raising money is unfuckinbelievable.
>the irony of a GOP candidate whining about a Dem raising money is
kind of like they whining about us being UNCIVIL...
Zogby International will soon begin tracking the 2004 Presidential election in four new Battleground States: Colorado, Arizona, North Carolina and Virginia.
Can someone clarify? Do they mean "new" as in, "we just now decided to start tracking these" or as in, "we've determined these formerly solid states are now in play"?
What chance does Matsunaka have in that district?
Isn't it somewhat conservative?
the irony of a GOP candidate whining about a Dem raising money is unfuckinbelievable.
And raising money from a wide cross-section of people, no less. I guess you have to be a corporate executive to avoind her "special interest" label.
Can someone clarify? Do they mean "new" as in, "we just now decided to start tracking these" or as in, "we've determined these formerly solid states are now in play"?
They're only doing this in states they consider to be battlegrounds. From their web site:
Zogby International will soon begin tracking the 2004 Presidential election in four new Battleground States: Colorado, Arizona, North Carolina and Virginia
This is very good news.
: Colorado, Arizona, North Carolina and Virginia
Wow that is interesting. I live in VA and it would just be so wonderful if the Democratic candidate could win for a change! Hey, Big John, you should come to VA now that we're looking like a swing state! I wonder if this shift is due to the military (which we've got in abundance here in Virginia) changing their mind about Bush or if there's some other explanation for it?
Whoops, I didn't close the tag, but ut still works.
"jay-zus, how many times has he done this?
renato"
Yeah, but what exactly is he doing? Is it lying? Misleading? Flip-flopping? Could it be that he has no idea what his administration is actually doing? Could it be that the Rove machine has blown a gasket? And how is it that a gaffe of this magnitude is buried on page A25? If it were Kerry it'd be front page above the fold. Probably a Bush-Cheney commercial by week's end.
I also see that someone already posted it. Sorry.
Yes S, these are states that have moved from the Bush to the contested collumn.
If it were Kerry it'd be front page above the fold.
It's because Bush's op shop is better than Kerry's. They need to pick it up a few notches.
What a fucking whiner.
sorry I'm so late coming to this thread. After reading the excerpts from Musgrave's fundraising letter, I remembered I was one of the liberal elite and had to go and gather up my donation to Stan of 2,000 to fight against bigotry and Big Agra. So take that, Madame Hate, I'm sending off 2000 to Matsunaka on Monday! Just as soon as the bank opens and I can convert my 2 thousand pennies from the old family spare change jar to twenty dollars in my checking account.
I'll be selling my collectible SF books on eBay by the time this election cycle is done, the way these trolls keep motivating me to donate to Democratic campaigns.
renato - I don't -remember- Shrub making any promises when he was here in town Wednesday. It looks like Phoenix is safe for the moment. 'Course, he may have been talking to Fife Symington and Ev Meacham about stuff folks such as you and I aren't qualified to understand....
Native American loan programs are something that have been being pushed pretty hard by the last administration, and thru the Phoenix SBA, whose former director was a lead sponsor of JD Hayworth. It's just the kind of thing that this administration would visualise as somehow competing with private banking - oh, wait! That's what's taken it so long to get underway. Sorry, private banking interests rearing their little pointy heads again. It's just taken them awhile to get their displeasure made effective.
GWPDA:
"The US Dept. of Housing and Urban Development plans to cut the budget of an American Indian housing program praised by Pres. Bush during a campain stop [in Albuquerque] this week.
"Doesn't it make sense to have public policy aimed at helping people own their own home?... I can't think of a better use of resources," Bush told a crowd of about 1000.
Bush's proposed budget would reduce the program's annual finding from $5.3 million to $1 million..."
LA Times, August 14, 2004, page A25
mmwahhahah!
$10 from my overflowing liberal coffers for Stan!
"In the conservative lexicon liberal is two steps above faggot."
An interesting exercise and one I think is both easy and relatively non-confrontational, well sort of, is the next time someone starts spouting the term "Liberal" about, ask them what that actually means.
So far, the responses I have had are fairly sad. They come down to something akin to Bush at UNITY, well a Liberal is ah..Liberal..you know..?
It is stange, when someone says conservative, I have a variety of impressions to provide and none of them are mean or nasty. Now, if you say neo-conservative, that is a different matter. If I think of Republican, again, nothing terrible. Simply different views and philosophies.
But these folks take Liberal and are re-defining the term on us. We lose simply because they are heard more often.
I have admired, for some time, the simpatico essence( minus the trolls) of this forum. Kindred spirits of many talents, highly intelligent people of diverse backgrounds who share their inimatable relections of experience/ knowledge.How could I tell you of the many nuggets of gold that I have taken from this site? Folks, its not easy.
And of the many many jewels amongst you, the many fine writers who pass on their perceptions with a wit and a grace that is sorely lacking in my world, I have happened upon a fore-mentioned writer of mystery, Mr. Cosmic Grappler, who , by chance, has a new book out in Jan, 'Beneath a Panamanian Moon' available through Amazon.
Think Lawrence Block, Hammett, Chandler,Stark/Westlake,, this fellow can write.
Its always nice to purchase something from a person who espouses many of your shared philosophical viewpoints.
Thanks A-Man, and everyone else for all you have given me.
...is unfuckinbelievable.
Man, I see this everywhere and it pisses me off every time I see it. The correct form is "unbe-fuckin-lievable". Get it right, people! The fuckin' comes AFTER the "be", not after the "un". One more time, and I'm puttin' my foot through the monitor. I swear. Sheesh!
nasty trolls!
Just wanted to say I got a quick e-mail response from Actblue re: the problems with the page errors for contribrutions. They(Actblue, thank you Matt!)are awesome in their quick response to the problems--our overwhelming response, EMG! just swamped them--such a gift!. Thank you both to Atrios and Act Blue for the oportuntiy to respond to the effort!.
Da problem is, Rednecks don't got no money to support they candidates.
You go Stan!
re: all this talk of the meaning of the terms liberal and conservative...
.. the meanings are a bit irrelevant.. (being so flexible and misunderstood, with no "standard" definition) but effectively and affectively boils down to "us and them"..
pseudo-unless, of course, you actually learn things and notice issues.
Hm...
As a Postal worker, I get to see lots of this stuff. In fact, funny that Musgrave is the one underd discussion. I was going through our reject mail at work and threw out some beg-a-grams from Ms. Musgrave only today. Addressed to people in San Antonio, TX. Mass mailings of that caliber don't come cheap. Maybe Mustheave would have some money if she'd quit sending out so much mail that only gets thrown away. Mass mailings are sooooo 20th century.
Additional note: All of the wingnut Congressional letters read like this. And, as RMJ mentioned up thread, quite a few of them iinsert a Hillary scare. Or the Clenis. If they're really wanting to scare ya, they use both Clintons.
They can't run on issues. They know they're bankrupt in that department. So it's slime and scare 'em into coughing up dough.
Wouldn't it be sweet to defeat Bush, Specter, and Musgrave this November? In your face, wingnuts!
Renato:
The Holy Grail would be DeLay, too.
Well hell, then, add Hastert to the Holy Grail list! *I* think he's defeatable even in that goofy district he's got. Lotsa job losses in that corridor, none of which he's been paying attention to because of Important Responsibilities in Washington. Plus a possible Kerry/Obama sweep in IL...?
Besides, DeLay will probably depart via indictment rather than voter rejection anyway.
k&y: yes, i think the current "issues" seem to reflect an "us and them" attitude very strongly in America right now..
It's the (fill in the blank)'s fault!
No, Kerry is far from toast if Osama gets caught.
1) The odds are low that he will be found.
2) It won't stop either AQ or the war.
3) What does he have to do with the coming Shia rebellion in Iraq which will make it impossible to supply our troops and leaving them in serious danger of a real defeat?
See, it only matters a little if Osama gets caught. Because he had to wage his little war in Iraq. And of course, AQ has a plan to let you know that one leader's capture stops no show.
How sociopathic or amoral does one have to be to look at the US out of control and say it's just meaningless us-vs-them-ism? How can you possibly hold that position? We barely think Kerry is better than Bush--for things they have done and promise to do, not because of instructions from some local boss--and we cannot fathom this.
steve
my question is how the voting public sees it. I think that enough of them are so much less rational than you that it would put Bush over the top in a election.
Well, its a bit late in this thread to actually be on topic. But to the issue of the Stan's chances:
Refer to the news article above (also on www.stan2004.com) that had the poll numbers. To recap, 2 months ago (BEFORE Stan had even put his hat in the ring) the numbers were 48% MM, 45% Stan (3% MoE).
It also said, 2 months ago that 22%, of the republicans in CO-4 had an unfavorable opinion of MM. This data has been born out AT THE POLLS. In the Primary held last week MM's opponent got 23% or so. Just so you have some context, the opponent had a total campaign warchest of 1k... thats a wopping $1,000. And he wasn't some Right wing Nutbag appealing to the rabbid base, actually, he wasn't conservative at all, one of his main issues was passing single payer healthcare!
So this means that the Republicans (you know the BASE Republicans who vote in the primary) stepped into the booth, saw two names, saw that one was MM's and voted for the other guy knowing nothing about him (or if they did know anything about him, im sure it wasn't flattering to their conservative sensibilities)
To be fair, undecideds can declair at the polls here, but I doubt that played a major part because 1) there were no major ballot initiatives 2) I don't think many realized they could declair party at the polls 3) MM's opponent certainly didn't woo that many U's to show up and vote for him with only 1k spent.
ALSO, keep in mind that the conservative voters were out in force due to the close primary between Shaffer (the conservative golden boy) and Cooers (the rich, moderate guy who's plant hire's *GASP!* GAYS!!!)... and in Larimer County (where you can't throw a rotten tomato without hitting a Shaffer sign) MM's opponent did BETTER than the overall average.
So to summerize: Stan (without spending dime one) entered the race in a statistical dead heat. MM has lost 1/4 of her core Rep Base straight up (and likely more of the less active, moderate R's who didn't vote in the primary)...
Your money will help... it will go far. This race is winable but only with your "special interest" help.
Heh. Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.
all thugs are...
is hypocrites
it's their fighting song - hypocrisy
"war is going great in Iraq!"
"liberal elites?!?!"
and the sheep simply follow beating chests
Well the wingnuts lie from the bottom up not just the top down, they learn often and early those right wingers.
PEACE!
ABB&B!!!
KERRY/EDWARDS 2004
and you wanna know why? 'Cause you're an EVIL BITCH, AND YOU MUST BE DESTROYED!
Did you know that all of world finance is controlled by 10 Liberal Bankers?
Go Stan!!!! I hope that bitch is decimated. And to think us libs do have money, who knew....
k&y: we're just not clicking with each other.. I think you missed my point, which is my fault, since I'm the one trying to make it..
I'm not sure I said it was "meaningless us and them-ism", but I did say the meanings (of liberal and conservative) were irrelevant because the meanings didn't matter... how could the meanings matter? no one agrees on what the meanings are.
My point was simply, in most people's minds, they look at the world with an "us and them" mentality.. people don't care what it means to be a conservative, they flock and huddle with people who think like them, and since everyone up top says "we're conservatives!", everyone says and thinks they're conservative, without giving much thought to what it means..
It's very effective as well because anyone can be smeared with a mere label.. "he's a liberal!" see, very easy.. translation to the mindless zombie is "he's a THEM!!! we don't like THEM.. we like US"
anyway, if i haven't made my point yet I don't think I am going to be able to.. thanks for your comment..
Oh My God! The Evil Liberals Are Trying To Subvert Democracy By Raising Campaign Funds And Fielding A Candidate In A Democratic Election!1! Those Godless Hordes With Their Legally-Mandated $2000 Contribution Limits From Satan Himself! Some Of Them Even Have Lawn Signs And Bumper Stickers!! Praise Jeebus!
doren: Just a note re: the independents voting for Musgrave in the primary. Anecdotally, I think there were quite a few independents who voted for Musgrave's opponent. I know several. My boss is one of them--she's as rabid a liberal as they come (she's convinced Karl Rove had a hand in the NJ guv's downfall). She voted in the Rethug primary as a sort of first salvo against MM--it probably wouldn't hit, but if it did, it'd be sweet.
That said, I think Stan has a much better chance now than he did in his first round with Marilyn. People in this district simply didn't realize how rabid she was. Now they do, and they're listening to people like the Republican mayor of Greeley, the conservative-leaning (usually) Greeley Tribune, and every other newspaper in the district, all of whom have said Marilyn's a wacko and even (gasp!) a Democrat would be better.
She's going down--it's just going to take more turkee for Stan.
I'd like to remind voters in Colorado and elsewhere that this congressional race is not limited to two choices. Bob Kinsey is running on the Green ticket. Folks might want to visit his website:
www.kinseyforcongress.org
Compare his positions to those of the other candidates before you decide that you have only two choices.
Marilyn is absolutely right. How dare we make donations up to legal limit. What gall we must have. Donating money is so, so ... liberal. We really should stop. No, really, it would be wrong to try take away Musgrave's fundraising advatange. I'm serious. We should be all ashamed.
Hey, I just tried to donate to both candidates on that list, but *both* my credit cards were declined. I have no idea why -- one of them is a check card with funds in the bank, the other is an amex card with available credit.
Anyone else seeing this error?
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