I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
This is all they got? What the hell!
Bush is French.
Maybe he meant widout Whiz.
Depends on what the definition of 'widout' is.
"In Philadelphia, the classic cheesesteak recipe is hot beef strips and fried onions dripping with grease..."
/salivating
Swiss cheese? BRING IT ON!!
I would be happy to wiz on the presidents cheese steak, for that matter randy crowleys too.
There he ordered, of course, a cheese steak, but he ordered it with Swiss cheese. That's kind of a food faux pas in Philadelphia. You're supposed to order it with Cheez Whiz, maybe American, but Swiss cheese, definitely a faux pas.
Trust me, I really, really know cheese steaks.
I'm sorry. Anyone who consumes Cheez Whiz has lost their right to use their mouth.
Perhaps there are some sort of alternative sexual practices for which it might be suitable, but it is simply not OK for human consumption.
So when do the Whizgate hearings begin?
Who
gives
a
fuck?
Is it cruel to say that Candy Crowley looks like she knows Philly cheesesteaks intimately?
Cheez Whiz on anything except crackers is disgusting.
At last: reporting on a meaty issue.
Any word on whether the President's steak was flipped (or flopped) on the grill?
Makes you wonder what else the press and GWB are lying about.
I would never eat a cheese steak with anything except provolone or swiss.
What's the place in Chicago with an Italian beef with cheese called the "Super Chief"?
As a health conscious fella, it freaked me out when people ordered a Super Chief with cheese fries.
I'm sorry (okay, I'm not really that sorry) but I can't bring myself to even remotely care about this.
Nero has lied about much more important things, such as "He wouldn't let them in," and "We have found the weapons of mass destruction."
Can't we stick to, you know, the things that aren't entirely irrelevant? 
What? No cheez whizz? Oh my god, the elitists are taking over! Maw, fetch me my AK47, I gotta take care a bizness.
Something something Candy Crowley something TUBE STEAK something.
GEORGE W. BUSH: You know, this is my 32nd visit to your state since I've been president. A lot of people wonder why I'm coming so much. It ought to be obvious to you; I like my cheese steak Wiz with.
Now, is that a typo or a Bushism? It would be equally as funny had he said "I like my cheese steak with Wiz." So, what's the quote here?
In West Philly strange people order the whiz. really strange
we use provolone.
I never understood the moronic reports during election year on the "whiz" argument. Nobody from philly goes to Genos or Pats, they both suck. any, and I mean any neighborhood cheesesteak hoagie place is better. I cant recall hearing anyone but freaks, (like my little sister one time) order cheese whiz... yech...
crowley is an idiot
My God, he even lies about cheesesteaks!
Not that I really care. But I do know that if Kerry (or Al Gore) had lied in such a fashion, we be bombarded by the right-wing smear machine and their presstitutes in the SCLM about this "issue" for the next week or so.
And it would be framed as "raising the character issue again."
Seraphiel: isn't that telling? Like Josh Marshall pointed out a while ago, BushCo lies about absolute fucking trivia:
* the rainfall in Texas
* Bush's bike prowess
* what he puts on his cheesesteak
It's pathological, I tell ya.
I am a "Senior Political Correstpondent." See? Down there at the bottom of the screen? "Senior." It says so right there.
Anus Moses: 'Whiz with' means 'with Cheese Whiz and with onions', I believe. Philly residents can set me straight on that...
I hear that Kerry PUT the cheese in is cheese steak himself...
it was self-inflicted cheese!
Mon Dieu!
a little O/T...
I'm watching the west coast feed of Hardball and I am appalled at Michelle Malkin. I apologize for my crudeness....
WHAT A FUCKING CUNT.
I cannot believe that she brought that shit to a national broadcast. I don't care who you may support, to insinuate that someone self-fragged to get a medal against OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE AND REPORTS TO THE CONTRARY has got to be the stupidest thing I've ever seen.
I hope that she ends up properly employed in the near future..."uh Michelle, I said DOUBLE latte..."
Bush can't even eat honestly. Sheesh...
The best damned cheese steak I've ever had was at the brew pub in the double tree complex in Monterey. Best ever.
I have to say, even back in my meat-eating days in Philly (including trips to Pat's), neither I, nor anyone I knew in their right minds, ate cheesesteaks with Whiz. I preferred provolone- not sure what that made me.
btw - no offense meant to proper coffee baristas.
I know you Philly folks love your Wiz, but really the rest of the country thinks you're insane. Here in Washington you can't even get it with Wiz if you want it at most places. And frankly that's for the better.
Let's line her up to clean the latrines at Camp Malkin, named in her honour.
If you get the nozzle up your nose right, you can inhale the propellant without getting too much Whiz in your lungs.
Propellant. That's an astronaut word. I know that because I flew fighter jets until I decided not to.
Freedom cookoo clocks!
Honestly, American cheese is not that out of the ordinary. Kerry really did fuck this one up by requesting Swiss cheese. (What, no gruyere?). But Bush still lied about himself.
That said, "Jim's Place" is far from well-known; it's just a small place in the burbs. This is the only cheesesteak resource you need.
Also, white bread? Amoroso roll, or, better yet, the seeded rolls at John's Roast Pork.
Candy Crowley will always be the woman who, in one of her reports, put the faces of the (then) 9 Democratic candidates for the nomination onto a deck of playing cards. This was at the same time as the Bush war machine was playing with their 52-card "deck" (or 54 cards, whatever da fug it was) of wanted Iraqi leaders. Real subtle, eh?
But don't you see? She has/b to defend Bush and attack anyone who challenges him! After all, Bush nicknamed her "Butterqueen" - he's the only man who's ever made her feel beautiful. She wuvs him.
Pity the poor hag. If it weren't for Butterqueen crown and her savant-level knowledge of cheesesteak minutiae, she'd have nothing.
OH! "Whiz with." Inflection was key here. Ok. I'll move on. Don't mind this southern nigga.
Yassah.
Can't we stick to, you know, the things that aren't entirely irrelevant?
Seraphiel
Um, no. I think you want the human culture a few doors down the hall.
But do stop in again! :D
The best damned cheese steak I've ever had was at the brew pub in the double tree complex in Monterey. Best ever.
Fatty food in California!! Ewww. They don't do it right.
I ate a bratwurst in my current home of Los Angeles.
Once.
Propellant. That's an astronaut word. I know that because I flew fighter jets until I decided not to.
DOnt trip on those big wors MR(!) pResident.
Slightly OT: Never order anything called a "Philadelphia cheesesteak" at any greasy spoon north of Trenton, NJ or south of Wilmington, DE. They're not the same thing as a genuine Philly cheesesteak.
Although one exception comes to mind, but I don't know whether the place still exists. Back in the early 80s, there was an authentic Philly cheesesteak shop on Columbus Ave. in San Francisco that actually sold real Philly cheesesteaks. The key is the roll: They had a local bakery make them to Philly specs. The place also had Tastykakes flown in. Yummmm!
And even after living in NYC for such a long time, I still really miss Philly soft pretzels -- especially the ones sold on the street in Center City, though the ones they sell at Wawa will do. NYC soft pretzels suck.
Philadelphia: Junk Food Capital of the World!
Yes, "Whiz wit'" means a cheesesteak with Cheez Whiz and fried onions.
And Pat's and Geno's are totally for tourists. I second the above comment on the neighborhood hoagie shops being the best. Pat's and Geno's are great if you like standing in line for surly service disguised as "neighborhood character."
Oh, yeah, one lil' slightly on-topic quote from Mike Malloy:
"Judy Woodruff looks like she's been through a famine, and Candy Crowley looks like she caused it."
Butterqueen - that is great! Especially for a woman named "Candy".
Oops...just got a mental visual of Butterqueen boning up her knowledge of cheesesteaks...
off to discard dinner......
.
Back to my original thought about this........whaaa? Who gives a shit about how anybody eats a fucking sandwich? Please tell me how this is relevant to the current situation we find ourselves in courtesy of the idiot in chief.
Is anyone reporting on how often Dubya eats ketchup? Somebody needs to get on that PRONTO!
OT: Abu Ghraib Probe Points to Top Brass
By Josh White and Thomas E. Ricks
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, August 20, 2004; Page A01
An Army investigation into the role of military intelligence personnel in the abuse at the Abu Ghraib prison reports that the scandal was not just caused by a small circle of rogue military police soldiers but resulted from failures of leadership rising to the highest levels of the U.S. command in Iraq, senior defense officials said.
Cheez whiz? When the fuck did they start using that? I can't believe a real Philly cheesesteak, from say, 20 or 30 years ago, ever used fuckking Cheez Whiz!
But it's the sort of thing some stupid fucking hick tourist from Texas (by way of Maine) would insist on - probably with mayo...
I just wrote an excrutiatingly rude letter to Ms. Crowley. Rarely do that. Even to the Heathers.
I must be drunk. Or hungry.
Or both.
Dang!
I always knew someday I'd forget to close a tag.
Sorry.
"In America, they got cheese in aerosol cans..."
Oh, I would like to whiz on Georgies parade.
Who gives a shit about how anybody eats a fucking sandwich?
Candy Crowley and her brownshirt bosses at CNN, that's who... this is a perfect opportunity to make them fucking eat their words, sans anything that'll make it slide down their fucking throats easier...
Vinnie -
This topic embodies preciesly WHY we are in "the current situation we find ourselves in courtesy of the idiot in chief.
The majority of America doesn't want to be burdened with the prospect of deep introspection of tough issues. But that doesn't mean they are unwilling and I think this November willprove that out.
But here? Ahh... we need some fluff too sometimes...
[/all work and no play made Jack a dull boy]
Kerry really did fuck this one up by requesting Swiss cheese.
Maybe he wanted one with Swiss cheese, for Christ's sake. I really love the idea that you'd get in trouble for FAILING to cynically pander to meaningless regional bullshit like this.
But alienating entire countries through willful disregard of their cultural values? A-OK.
Personally, I'd sooner eat a bilge rat than a cheesesteak. But if I were going to eat one, I'd get it made the way I wanted it. And if the good people of Philadelphia didn't like it they'd be more than welcome to piss up a rope.
"no offense meant to proper coffee baristas"
None taken. At least I know it gets better for me.
Who gives a shit about how anybody eats a fucking sandwich?
I defintitely give a shit about the manufacture and comsumption of sandwiches.
Why the fuck is CNN's senior political correspondent reporting on sandwiches??? And why is anybody listening??
Geez whiz...
Ode to KKKandy Fat Ass KKKrowley
If she eats one more
Pie a la mode
The bitch will get
her own Zip Code
Can we do better here than attacking women for their looks? Maybe?
Clark Barr,
Representing Worcester, MA?
my god i'm a fat pig... whats that smell... ugh... oh, can I cover the cheese steak story! I'm senior correspondent ya know!
Speaking of aerosol cheese, here's a joke:
A Swiss guy walks into a Drugstore...
(No, it's not anti-swiss, just sounds funnier if you say it all with one of those hokey swiss accents..)
..He asks the chemist for some Anti-Perspirant.
The chemist asks: "do you want Ball Roll-On or Aerosol?"
He relies: "Neither. I want it for my armpits."
Whose from Wormtown?
Useta live near Tatnuck Sq.!
Was born in Wormtown, grew up in Fitchburg.
>Can we do better here than attacking women for their looks? Maybe?
Okay, she is a liar, or at worst a terrible reporter, and a hack, who has to exercise her own power in order to feel good about herself.
BTW Tatnuck's is the best bookstore in the known world.
Whose = who's
>He relies: "Neither. I want it for my armpits."
Heh.
"prefers his steak absent of the usual Cheez Whiz and provolone"
Whiz schmiz, the PA wing of the Peanut family won't get over that provolone snub anytime soon.
Actually, it's the lying about it that's worse.
This is pathetics, and besides, I don't care what anyone says, Pat's sucks, and the cheese whiz is the worst. We just foist this shit on out-of-towners.
The only possible explanation for this is that some Bush ancestor really pissed off some hoodoo man who put the big whammy on the whole family line with a horrible curse: they cannot tell the truth about anything. Even about what they put on the fucking Philly cheese steak fucking sandwiches. No one could lie like they do of their own accord, it takes too much effort to think all that shit up...
Ok, Adam. Point taken. I'll cut it out.
It does tend to sour my high and mighty argument when I detour to the low road.
I am getting hungry now.
Philateles, none of these places have Swiss cheese. None. American, whiz or provolone. That's it.
I like American AND Provolone on my hoagie though...
gotta dumb it down, bring it home to joe and betty sixpack.
Very scary article a few days ago at commondreams.org by Thom. Hartmann about how Cheney pushes those reptile buttons, how "sensitive" is a winner for losers like B/C04.
Now, is that a typo or a Bushism? It would be equally as funny had he said "I like my cheese steak with Wiz."
When the campaign hits Pittsburgh, he will predictably say, "this needs washed" (pronounced "worshed," approximately).
Kinda like I live in the Suburbs of Worshington.
Personally, I'd sooner eat a bilge rat than a cheesesteak
Those alternatives aren't exactly mutually exclusive.
Presumably they told JFK before he went in not to ask for Brie, and I'm proud of him for that.
My Philadelphia background comes in handy...
Ordering Swiss was a bit of a faux pas, I think. Nothing unforgivable, but it just makes it obvious that you're not from around here.
American, Provolone, Wiz... all of these are just fine to order. I like the Provolone, or the American, don't like Wiz much. I always get onions, and prefer sauce (sometimes referred to as a pizza steak).
I remember Rushannity or some such hatchet man bringing up the whole "Kerry can't eat a hoagie like a normal person" tack. 'Twas pathetic then, and it ain't any better now.
Also, I thought real Philly cheesesteaks had mushrooms and brown gravy.
I love it when someone specifies that a defending champion "sucks".
I suppose you're an Eggels fan. They've done well, haven't they.
Oh wait. That was the Pats that won 2 of the last 3 Super Bowls.
Enjoy T.O. - I got to watch how how much of a team uniting force he was here in San Francisco.
Y'know, the night it was finally official ..... Bush would occupy the Whitehouse..... I said to a friend "oh, boy, war and recession, here we come!"
WTF? I'm psychic.
"This needs worshed!" I haven't heard that in years. I had a girlfriend that grew up in Johnstown. Ended badly. Thanks for bringing up such a painful memory.
Whiz for Truth! - ah, sweet justice
Well, I could be nice and say she's a complete media whore or I could say she's the second person to achieve the amazing 1 Stossel on the media whore scale (some may remember that Andrea Mitchell was the first to achieve a 1 Stossel for her Sunday fill in for Fat Tim. Whey it's the week of the Olympics. They're trying for records. We may soon know if a score of more than 1 Stossel is possible.
I miss Media Whores Online
Personally, I'd sooner eat a bilge rat than a cheesesteak.
Funny. Those were exactly the last words of JOSEF STALIN.
And what's with all his Cheez Whiz bashing?
Caulks the cracks in the plaster perfectly freaking fine, you ask me, and has the added bonus of poisoning the earwigs.
Me too. We're just going to have to muddle on as best we can.
We may soon know if a score of more than 1 Stossel is possible.
I saw Michelle Malkin earlier...I believe she could set the new low!!
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Damn, this idiot is murdering thousands and thousands and thousands, ignoring genocide elsewhere, and funneling billions to his buddies and we're arguing fucking sandwiches? Depressing, just flat fucking depressing. Not a good sign for the future.
Michelle Malkin? Good looking, but no damned brains.....she must give great head.
Vinnie, it's called venting, and it's good. We argue stupid shit like sandwiches for a laugh. Then, refreshed, we rejoin the fray armed with the double-edged sword of humor and perspective.
Philateles, none of these places have Swiss cheese. None. American, whiz or provolone. That's it.
Adam
Fair enough. I'm not from Philly either (though I've got houseguests from that city staying with me this week!).
But again...when you've got two people running for president who aren't from Philadelphia and who don't give a flying fuck about the artery-clogging slop that passes for food in that locale...I'm just not convinced that the person who unsuccessfully panders to the locals is worse than the person who does (putting aside the fact that NEITHER pulled it off successfully).
I look forward to seeing both candidates eat squirrel brains on toast when they hit southern Indiana.
Or, we just go play "Collapse" on Yahoo for twelve hours.
Oh, and Genos sucks too.
"The key is the roll:"- monchie b. monchum
Yep, and the cut of beef. We used to get ours, hand cut rib eye, really thin, at the Wayside Market, buy the Amoroso rolls, the provolone and make em' ourselves. Next best was Phil and Jim's or Liberty Tavern's
Best definitive philly cheese served at the Brass Rail, Allentown PA.
Wow! Intense racism, shitty weather, cheese-whiz sandwiches... sign me up!
Caveat: All my Philly experiences are West ones. Kpow! Bang! "Sam's place, we love you."
IS THERE A WAY TO SEARCH FOR OLD ARTICLES ON THIS SITE. I REMEMBER A ZELL MILLER RANT ABOUT HIM LEADING A WELFARE STATE. ANYONE KNOW HOW TO GET IT? i WANT TO SEND IT TO ALL THE NEWS AND LETTER TO THE DITORS!
IS THERE A WAY TO SEARCH FOR OLD ARTICLES ON THIS SITE. I REMEMBER A ZELL MILLER RANT ABOUT HIM LEADING A WELFARE STATE. ANYONE KNOW HOW TO GET IT? i WANT TO SEND IT TO ALL THE NEWS AND LETTER TO THE DITORS!
frick,
Little louder, please?
Pete's Brew Pub in Monterey. I tell ya, the best.
I look forward to seeing both candidates eat squirrel brains on toast when they hit southern Indiana.
Eew. Please don't feel compelled to elaborate on that. Druther not know.
But... how many squirrel brains does it take to cover one piece of toast?
(note to Sen. Kerry: don't ask for Cinnamon Raisin toast!)
Well, I could be nice and say she's a complete media whore or I could say she's the second person to achieve the amazing 1 Stossel on the media whore scale
Sorry, but technically, you can't totally bottom out with a 1 on the Stossel scale unless you sprout one of those horrible fucking moustaches.
Though I would agree that forcing Malkin to wear a Stossel 'stache for a year would be a fit punishment for her being an asshole. That would be schweet.
Posted the audio of Dubya's whiz lie here.
Wish I'd thought of it: Anus Moses.
Although I'm afraid I'm so old nobody else here gets the reference.
Caulks the cracks in the plaster perfectly freaking fine, you ask me, and has the added bonus of poisoning the earwigs.
Thersites
As usual, you're not only right, but RIGHT ON.
As I say, I have houseguests and can't wile away my evenings here lately...so forgive me if someone's mentioned this already. But after accusing Kerry of lying about his service and faking his injuries and all the rest of it...doesn't that make a lot of subsequent criticism seem rather...uh...picayune? Can't we just say, "Last week you said this guy defrauded the Navy out of medals, and lied to the entire country for decades...and this week you're worried because he didn't properly suck up to a handful of cheesesteak-eating knuckleheads?"
It's sort of like Al Franken's gag about whether Osama Bin Laden puts too much cumin in his hummus...
I look forward to seeing both candidates eat squirrel brains on toast when they hit southern Indiana.
Philalethes
I look forward to seeing Dubya eat shit.
The media whores must be getting worried about things to go into roborepublican mode even before the coronation next week.
Here they've got a guy with metal in his leg and they're competing with each other to make war wounds unamerican. War wounds, for Christ's sake! That's what comes of having an elite who makes war using other people's bodies.
Although I'm afraid I'm so old nobody else here gets the reference.
steve simels
It's funny how just about everyone here thinks he or she is older than everyone else...!
Leave it to Jabba to report on items of such tremendous importance. The whore.
You say "shit", I say "Squirrel brains". Either way, he's toast.
It's funny how just about everyone here thinks he or she is older than everyone else...!
Eh?
What's that, sonny?
It's funny how just about everyone here thinks he or she is older than everyone else...!
Philalethes
Isn't it. I picture all of you as young and attractive. Well, not all of you. The trolls are greasy nineteen year olds eating triple cheese pizza and drinking pop while working their RNC jobs. They've got green teeth and don't shower often.
"Philateles, none of these places have Swiss cheese. None. American, whiz or provolone. That's it."- Adam
Huh? Never asked for Swiss, don't know about Pat's or Genos, (because you can only eat there once), but tons of steak shops are also delis and they carry swiss for Reubens or Ham & Swiss on Rye etc
Wish I'd thought of it: Anus Moses.
Although I'm afraid I'm so old nobody else here gets the reference.
Damn!
Now I'll go to bed with that tune in my head...
"Named him after a man of the cloth/Called him...."
{"alligators big in the Louisiana bayous....")
Now I'm wondering if Bush puts beans in his chili....
hmmmmmmm......
...developing.....
"It's sort of like Al Franken's gag about whether Osama Bin Laden puts too much cumin in his hummus..."
Philalethes
Yeah, the idea that anyone even cares about what kinda' cheese you put on your steak is silly. If this is the best they have, Bush is toast.
Although I'm afraid I'm so old nobody else here gets the reference.
steve simels
It's funny how just about everyone here thinks he or she is older than everyone else...!
The hell!! I'm too old to get most of the references hereabouts.
But ain't it cute the way an old coot can learn to use html tags?
Wwwwow. So this was on CNN? Y'all ain't shittin' me. This was considered newsworthy, and not only that, a sufficient bucket of paint for the "elitist liberal" smear. Ye gods...
At the restaurant, we sell cheesesteaks. They're pretty good. Wheat roll, good meat, onions & peppers, Swiss American cheese, and mushrooms, plus a marinade of my own recipie, thank you very much. People dig 'em.
However, back when I was still on the line, one dude came streaming back to the kitchen, sayin' he was "Philly born and bred" and proceeded to raise holy hell that we weren't doing our cheesesteaks "properly". He said, basically, we were showing disrespect for his city. I shit you not.
After his little rant, all I could say was, "Dude, you're in Georgia. It's a fuckin' sandwhich. Go sit down, finish your meal, pay your check and get on with your life." and went back to what I was doing.
He wasn't happy, but the people at his table were rolling.
Backslider,
Can you please come work in my kitchen?
Now I'm wondering if Bush puts beans in his chili....
hmmmmmmm......
...developing.....
Robert M. Jeffers
But inquiring minds want to know! How else am I to make an informed opinion about which candidate to vote for? Swiss or cheese whiz? Beans or no beans? Earth-shattering decisions..
Put cheese on a steak sandwich?
-
It's just one state over in SC. I'm sure you could commute.
Wish I'd thought of it: Anus Moses.
Although I'm afraid I'm so old nobody else here gets the reference.
steve simels | Email | Homepage | 08.20.04 - 12:36 am | #
Well, if Amos Moses was named after a man of the cloth, ya gotta wonder how Anus Moses scored that moniker. And I don't even want to think about what happens to "his weight in groceries".
What Vinnie said..
Who
Gives
A
F*CK?!
I mean really? Isn't it about time we say 'f*ck it' and just literally start slapping these assholes?
This is getting quite annoying. I'm truly getting to the point where I would rather endure hanging out with Sean Hannity or Ann Coulture than the lousy f*cks in the media?
MYOB'
.
Dear Candy
What kind of cheese goes with your stories?
None. Crap's flavor cannot be improved with cheese.
Keep up the good work. I hear Inside Edition is hiring.
Can you please come work in my kitchen?
geor3ge | Email | Homepage | 08.20.04 - 12:49 am | #
Nah, you don't want me. I talk constantly about goofy shit and always have the radio cranked up on Nick Lowe or Doug Sahm. I weird the kids out, man.
Candy, don't you have some important reporting over there? Look, Scott Peterson! Run, Candy!
He wasn't happy, but the people at his table were rolling.
So...
Is this a coffee shop or a restaurant?
Ninety days, Jerry! When you're hot you're hot!
Fine with me. It can't be any worse than the ClearChannel oldies station I'm subjected to. I keep threatening to bring in my Tom Waits CD's.
"However, back when I was still on the line, one dude came streaming back to the kitchen, sayin' he was "Philly born and bred" and proceeded to raise holy hell that we weren't doing our cheesesteaks "properly". He said, basically, we were showing disrespect for his city. I shit you not." Backslider
Uh, that doesn't surprise me, wheat roll? Then again I ate at a place in Georgia that made a "hoagie" with Oscar Myer meat and olives amongst other sacrileges. In WA, we came out with rolls, went to a deli, (friend of my uncle's), and showed the guy how to properly chip the beef. Now he makes em' for family and friends. Philadelphians take their steaks way too seriously, I know, I live here. I've seen some pretty heated arguments about who has the best steak shop.
I think this thread has had wuite enough of samdwich slander.
How about a little desert with your snack?
THe Washington PostRan a great series blogged by Publius on the real policy directives and their harm to us,the real people of America.One of them is a review of the administrations decision to gut the envirnoment.
Today, mountaintop removal is booming again, and the practice of dumping mining debris into streambeds is explicitly protected, thanks to a small wording change to federal environmental regulations. U.S. officials simply reclassified the debris from objectionable "waste" to legally acceptable "fill."
I just fininshed a vacation to the mountains of the great states of N.H and Vermont.I was reminded of the great beauty our world has to offer.
TO kill a mountain for the benefit of a few corporations is unspeakable.
Mountains dont grow back.
I am sickened by the indiffference the government and most recently the Bush admininistration has for the natural beauty of our great land.With this descision to continue the policy of mountaintop removal is at best irresponsible and at worst criminal.
Publius has a string of WaPo expose's on the misadministration,go read to reaquaint yourselves and prepare to get angry all over again.
Sorry for the long post,but this issue is near and dear to my heart and I will not lay down over it.
Totally OT:
Has anybody heard the new Los Lobos covers album?
Fatty food in California!! Ewww. They don't do it right.
The Donkey
One word. Pink's.
I applaud this reporting. Voters have a steak in this election.
smalfish, it's terrible. Friend of mine lives in WV, seen it firsthand. Total rape and ruining the water tables.
"I applaud this reporting. Voters have a steak in this election."
CapMidnight
LOL Best line tonight.
Is this a coffee shop or a restaurant?
dharma | Email | Homepage | 08.20.04 - 12:53 am | #
Restaurant. Done up like a '50s malt shop, burgers and fries, and that sort of thing. Some veggie fare and some oddball (for the area) stuff like lox. Called The Grill. Come by if you're in Athens. Look for the place staffed with tattooed and pierced weirdos.
Ninety days, Jerry! When you're hot you're hot!
steve simels | Email | Homepage | 08.20.04 - 12:53 am | #
"Who's gonna collect my welfare? Pay for my cadillac? I tell you one thing, if it weren't for that black robe, I'd take you out in back of this courthouse and try a little bit of your honor on. You hear that, you hillbilly? Contempt of court? Aw, judge. Judgie poo..."
I'm a little ashamed that I can recite that from memory.
Fine with me. It can't be any worse than the ClearChannel oldies station I'm subjected to. I keep threatening to bring in my Tom Waits CD's.
geor3ge | Email | Homepage | 08.20.04 - 12:53 am | #
Gah...ClearChannel oldies. I can only imagine. How much "Help Me, Rhonda" are you subjected to daily? One thing my boss is cool about is recognizing his workers dig their tunes. He provides us with CD players and lets us play anything we want so long as it doesn't disturb the customers. In an ordinary day, you'll hear from the kitchen everything from Tom Waits to King Diamond to Outkast to Hank Williams to Tori Amos to Flock Of Seagulls to Modest Mouse to whatever oddball R&B or country golden oldie I bring in.
It's neat.
I wonder what brilliant staffer was reviewing the stump speech and said, you know, "I have my cheesesteak American wit" doesn't sound good. Let's lie and say it was whiz.
Not only would this be a stupid lie, it's just doesn't make any sense that Bush would de-emphasize the Americaness of his cheese against the Europeaness of Kerry's cheese.
Backslider,
Screw it, I'm coming to work at your place.
cheeze whiz? I thought people only fed this cheap shit to their kids? who eats a cheeze steak with whiz on it? Candy Crowley, Judy Woodruff = Cow and Chicken! Not against fat chicks, one myself, but dayum! Chicken is always on a suicide watch, sure that her party is gonna lose, always setting off the cackling alarm about something. That Cow, always being so snide about something, I just don't know what. Actually, maybe Judy should be Boneless Chicken?
Gah...ClearChannel oldies. I can only imagine. How much "Help Me, Rhonda" are you subjected to daily? One thing my boss is cool about is recognizing his workers dig their tunes. He provides us with CD players and lets us play anything we want so long as it doesn't disturb the customers. In an ordinary day, you'll hear from the kitchen everything from Tom Waits to King Diamond to Outkast to Hank Williams to Tori Amos to Flock Of Seagulls to Modest Mouse to whatever oddball R&B or country golden oldie I bring in.
You need some Shivaree in there.
And some Vienna Teng.
A little Death Cab For Cutie wouldn't hurt either.
Candy Crowley, Judy Woodruff = Cow and Chicken!
Perfect: 'That's not fair, Mrs Bare Derriere!'
Hi Steve Simels--I saw you hailing me on other threads, but I always get there late. What's up?
By the way, I came to Atrios after eating grilled turkey with gouda and steamed snow peas on a toasted sesame bagel. No condiments. Made it myself and I'll never be preznit
Death Cab has been known to sneak in there from time to time. Depends on the kids manning the grill. We got one kid who's bad to play one CD over and over till you wanna shoot him. He basically ruined The Misfits for me, and came damn close to doing the same for The Ramones.
I only heard "Help Me, Rhonda" twice in ten hours today. I think they're expanding their playlist.
You know, your place sounds a lot like a pizza joint I worked at a couple of years ago. The music was very democratic. Unfortunately, the tip distribution was downright socialistic. Never, ever work in a restaurant that pools tips.
Ya'll like to talk about music this late at night.
I got a new band for ya.It a little ol band from Texas,called Los Lonely Boys.They call their kind of music Texican.They are a mixture of Richie Valens,Carlos Santanna and Stevie Ray Vaughn.Three brothers from San Antanio and they are commming on like a load of bricks thru your radio.Check em out when you get a chance.
Bush admin penchant for secrecy and capital cronyism strikes again:
Somehow the late night threads always seem to drift over to toons, don't they?
Saw Gomez live last night. They rawked.
"Y'all like to talk about music late at night."
Get a bunch of musicians in the room, and "shop" is inevitably the talk.
Dear Ms. Crowley;
Hey I know what with the economy kinda shaky, Iraq a huge mess, and terrorist networks back to 2001 strength- it's really good to see you reporting on important stuff, like how Bush and Kerry like on their cheesestake sandwiches.
Unfortunately Mr. Bush lied when he told a handpicked crowd with his usual mastery of the english language: " I like my cheese steak Wiz with.". Ahh, such a statesman- anyways it was PROVEN TO BE A LIE!
I hope that you will do that right thing and break 'Steakgate' WIDE open. Our president should not lie to American people about his condiment choices. Lying about reasons for going to war, well, that's still OK I guess.
candy.crowley@turner.com
... works closely with a network of "rapid response" digital Brown Shirts who work to pressure reporters and their editors ...
Never, ever work in a restaurant that pools tips.
geor3ge | Email | Homepage | 08.20.04 - 1:09 am | #
No shit. You will get hosed. Everyone thinks, "Well, someone else will probably put in a little extra."
But as for the music selection, that's only in the line kitchen. In the prep kitchen - my domicile - I am lord and master, and what I say goes in the CD player goes. People get shitty with me, I get ugly. One word, and it's a Skynyrd marathon.
BTW Willie Nelson and Bob Dylan played in Charleston Tuesday night and I missed it. I will never forgive myself.
Not disimilar to anti-Bush Sr. stories back in '88. Who can forget when ol' 41 got in a little hot water for saying Ahn-deev instead of En-dive?
Of course, he used the word in a particularily nasty and absurb criticism against Dukakis' farm policy, so maybe that derision was justified. But, even so, the press loves to harp on patrician sensibilities, so expect a lot of this in the next few months.
Did you guys hear that Jenna and Not Jenna are attending their hairdresser's big fat Gay Wedding?
I wonder what daddy says about that. But wait, it get's better.
The wedding is on September 11.
I'm gonna keep posting this til somebody laughs, dammit
Backslider,
He wasn't happy, but the people at his table were rolling.
I meant "coffeehouse" in the Jef Jaison sense.
I vote in favor of Cheese whiz on cheesesteaks. That's how I ate them in my days in Atriosland. God gave us arteries so we can clog them.
I do agree that if Kerry or Gore or Clinton had been caught claiming to eat Cheese Whiz on their cheesesteak when he really ate American cheese, you'd have talking heads lambasting the evil librul elitist for wickedly and incompetently pretending to be just folks.
People get shitty with me, I get ugly. One word, and it's a Skynyrd marathon.
Good god, man... you're a.... monster!!
A "Skynyrd"marathon meaning what... three songs in a row?
Can we do better here than attacking women for their looks? Maybe?
Candy brought it on herself when she decided that the appropriate thing for the Senior political correspondent to report on was the fact that John Kerry likes Swiss cheese and that shows he's out of touch, and that George Bush is just a really regular guy who eats cheesesteaks the "right way". All the people from Philly seem to indicate that Pat's is just a tourist place and not where the real people go, so can we expect Candy to out the President for not understanding that he wasn't where the "homies" go to begin with?
"One word, and it's a Skynyrd marathon."
Damn, but you're harsh. You could at least make it Steely Dan.
The kitchen in my joint listens to their own stuff too. Mostly it's the hip-hop station. I slip back there for an earful to get away from the Chirelles. Or I go outside to hear the jazz coming out of the cigar shop next door. On the drive home, it's all classical.
what's really funny about all this is that apparently everyone believes himself to be a philly cheese steak expert, regardless of whether or not he has ever set foot in the city of brotherly love. obviously nobody knows jack about them . even in philly it's all a matter of opinion. if they were all made the same way it wouldn't matter where you went to get one.
anyway, i'm pretty sure that fried meat on a roll predates the invention of cheez whiz, so it probably isn't traditional.
in baltimore we put mayo on them, which is supposedly way more heretical than swiss cheese.
Steely Dan is light years better than Skynnerd.
smallfish, Los Lonely Boys, are great. I'd love to see them. They've been playing them on XPN in Philly for quite some time now, maybe a year now. XPN is public radio "stationed" at Penn i.e. not run by the kids- they have quite a mix, the World Cafe with David Dye, the blues show, Grateful Dead Hour, stars end, lots of cool stuff you'll never hear on commercial radio. You can stream them over the net too.
BTW Willie Nelson and Bob Dylan played in Charleston Tuesday night and I missed it. I will never forgive myself.
Worst of all, in the process you missed "Hot Club of Cowtown."
Don't let that happen again... seriously. Great Texas Swing/Django-style jazz. Elena Fremerman's a great fiddler, and Whit Smith scorches the varnish off of his archtop every night. Awesome.
"in baltimore we put mayo on them, which is supposedly more heretical than swiss cheese."
I don't know. When I lived in PA, I found that mayo pretty much goes on everything.
Did you guys hear that Jenna and Not Jenna are attending their hairdresser's big fat Gay Wedding?
I'm gonna keep posting this til somebody laughs, dammit
LOL!
Actually I bet Rove will make a big deal out of this on MTV and CMT, you know; GOP is really big tent, aint the Bush grrls super hip and open. Then on the other side of the mouth they will get on CBN and jump up and down for thier fundy masters and say we need to save marage from big gay people.
I caught the Hot Club of Cowtown at a folk festival in Lowell, Mass. a few years back. Hooked from the start. I'm very much a Django Reinhardt/ Stephane Grapelli fan.
Thanks, AP
Steely Dan is light years better than Skynnerd.
I'll agree with that. Now quit yakking about cheesesteaks and music and go look at the NYTimes. They actually did some fucking reporting. They've got a graph that shows all the relationships of everyone who supported the swift boat fuckers and how much money they contributed. And it rebuts all of thier statements with their past statements.
Sweet. Linkee here. Link is for the article- exhibit is on the front page as part of the section.
Mountains dont grow back.
Yes they do. Well, okay the Appalachians aren't anymore, but the Rockies still have potential.
Don't get me wrong. Ain't knockin' Steely Dan at all.
Re music at restaurants--I used to go to a hole-in-the-wall Mexican place that specialized in overflowing beef (and double beef) burritos. One of the staffers was a militant vegetarian who worked the 9 minute Smiths "Meat is Murder" onto every tape, along with other PETA faves I don't remember. I asked her about her PETA T-shirt once (featuring Klansmen lynching a cow) and got a snarly "I can't even breathe in this place and stay a vegetarian." Another disgruntled worker.
I meant "coffeehouse" in the Jef Jaison sense.
dharma | Email | Homepage | 08.20.04 - 1:15 am | #
Oh, that. Well, yeah, that too, sometimes, on the late night shift.
A "Skynyrd"marathon meaning what... three songs in a row?
SteveLG | Email | Homepage | 08.20.04 - 1:16 am | #
Nope. I got three mix CDs of Skynyrd stuff. Two hundred and fourty minutes of pure meanness and three guitars, and nary a "Free Bird" or "Sweet Home Alabama" in sight.
Cand Crowley? Candy Crowley? Is she the fat fuck always sucking on Bush's limp dick?
What? I don't make her eat crap. That is her decision.
Draco,
We got some hardcore vegans and vegitarians at our joint, too, and it's definately a pro-dead animal place. They all are a little scared of me because I worked for a time in a slaughterhouse and still have the stomach for a medium-rare burger. And I've been known to throw sliced roast beef at people who say dumb shit around me, but I'm not proud of that.
"in baltimore we put mayo on them, which is supposedly way more heretical than swiss cheese." Olaf glad and big
Mayo, Indeed! It's ketchup or the sauce, (pizza steak) dammit! Actually, they're pretty standard- meat, options- american or provolone, onions, hot or sweet, mushrooms. The only real argument is who has the best cuts, freshest ingredients- like canned mushrooms, when fresh are abundant, is considered cheap.
wxpn is the world's greatest radio station. one year for a weekend pledge drive they had a bunch of writers and musicians rate the 50 most influential albums ever. then they played them all in their entirety back to back. between records they would say what was next, ask for money, and then right on to the next one. it was beautiful, man.
Mountains dont grow back.
Yes they do. Well, okay the Appalachians aren't anymore, but the Rockies still have potential.
Keith | Email | Homepage | 08.20.04 - 1:24 am | #
What kind of a lame brained comment is that?You need to clarify.I realise that plate tectonics is what you are talking about ,but to actually defend this action by trying to point to a process that takes millions of years is to show yourself as A)irresponsible or B)a troll.
ok i haven't read the posts on this yet but what a fucking bitch!
i hate chris matthews with a passion...but Ms. malikn really takes the cakes on this one.
fourlegsgood, that article is sweet. Now let's hope the major networks pick up on these Rovian slime ball tactics.
oops wrong thread...must be the alcohol 
Bush II is just tryin' to make up for daddy's little encounter with the supermarket scanner.
The best music I ever heard in a restaurant came about ten years ago when I took my then-newlywed wife to an expensive French place in Miami called the place San Michele. There was a piano, the guy playing it looked like Hans Moleman from the Simpsons. Anyway, very expensive place, snooty, you get the picture.
Anyway, we're on the appetizers and my wife just bursts out laughing. It's because the piano player is doing a version of the Beatles' "Piggies." Next he did Motorhead's "Eat the Rich." Then Pink Floyd's "Money."
Surreal.
"wxpn is the world's greatest radio station."- Olaf glad and big
I've always considered myself blessed to have grown up with it. The beg-a-thons aren't wonderful, but they are getting shorter because of the net. They have absolutely the greatest sponsored events, singer song writer, they air the Philly Folk Fest, and tons of small venues- they really promote a lot of new music while playing some really great old blues, funk, classics like Dylan... I just love em'
I agree with 4legs. Go and read the NYTimes article on the Swift Boat Liars.
The authors, Kate Zernike and Jim Rutenberg, put the smackdown on these guys. Many of them were praising Kerry for his service in Vietnam as recently as last year. It looks like Hoffman and Elliott didn't like the way they were portrayed in Douglas Brinkley's Tour of Duty, even though they made favorable comments about Kerry to the author when interviewed for the book.
a lot of those piano bar guys are actually pretty good. they have to be able to play whatever people want, even the the guy making the request doesn't know the name of the song.
"...must be the alcohol"- cake or death
Hey, that's my line.. after another beer.
Modus Potus--the best thing about that supermarket scanner story was that it was probably bogus. The NYT reporter even hedged the lagunage saying "Bush appeared not to recognize...." But it seemed so plausibly in-character that it was repeated as fact. I like the story better thinking it was utterly unfair: "Good--now he knows how Mike Dukakis felt."
"Anyway, we're on the appetizers and my wife just bursts out laughing. It's because the piano player is doing a version of the Beatles' "Piggies." Next he did Motorhead's "Eat the Rich." Then Pink Floyd's "Money."
Surreal."- Thersites
How many folks do ya' think would have recognized those tunes?
Wile E. Odysseus, you knew these guys were just liars. I mean, this would have already come out when Nixon was trying to slime Kerry- and Nixon tried and failed. What gets me is that the press took so long. I want the networks to air this 60 minutes, evening news, etc.
George Bush: I invented the cheese steak.
Mountains dont grow back.
Yes they do. Well, okay the Appalachians aren't anymore, but the Rockies still have potential.
What kind of a lame brained comment is that?You need to clarify.I realise that plate tectonics is what you are talking about ,but to actually defend this action by trying to point to a process that takes millions of years is to show yourself as A)irresponsible or B)a troll.
Actually it demonstrates that I am (c) a geologist with a sarcastic sense of humour.
Seraphiel: isn't that telling? Like Josh Marshall pointed out a while ago, BushCo lies about absolute fucking trivia:
* the rainfall in Texas
* Bush's bike prowess
* what he puts on his cheesesteak
It's pathological, I tell ya.
I really think it is. Remember that stupid narrow escape story concerning that flight into Baghdad which turned out to be not quite as exciting as portrayed? It was a stupid, pointless lie that there was absolutely no need for.
no imagination,
I knew it indeed, but what I know about Bush, politics, the war in Iraq, and so forth, and what the NY Times is willing to print about them in a longish article are often two different things.
A lot of the way the media are handling the story is down to the OTOHism, he said/she said way they go about reporting stories these days. 'Shape of the World: Opinions Differ," as Alterman put it.
I've been reading Tour of Duty, which I started because I knew even before the convention that the Rethugs would go after Kerry on Vietnam, but I haven't finished it yet. Makes me respect Kerry a lot more.
Even my soon-to-be 87 year old mother thinks that cheez whiz on a cheesesteak is gross. I've been eating the things for about 60 years and always order swiss cheese if the establishment has it (Dalessandros on Henry Ave. a couple of weeks ago, my most recent taste treat, didn't have swiss, so I settled for American). Of course, what one has on his/her cheesesteak is vastly more important than what pre-emptive, illegal wars one has started.
I missed "all atop white bread". Who has ever eaten a cheesesteak on white bread? This lady's out of her mind.
I suppose W. had "Freedom Fries" on the side?
I'm a left-coaster and my only time in Philly was a two-hour stay at the Greyhound station at the edge of Chinatown. This was many years ago, and because it was after sunset we were warned against leaving the building. I don't know if the area was really that dangerous. But I can't imagine that Cheez Whiz was the original cheese of choice. Anyone know how long it's been out there?
I should have mentioned that Whiz wasn't an option at Dalessandrow.
"how many folks do you think would have recognized those tunes?"
when i was much younger, a friend of mine got a part time job as a church organist. one of his responsibilities was to play incidental music during the part where they pass the plates around (i think it's called the offeratory). what he played was left up to him. normally he played "a whiter shade of pale" or "the great gig in the sky", mostly because he had them down pat. the old ladies enjoyed it and after a while would actually complain if he played anything else.
"I knew it indeed, but what I know about Bush, politics, the war in Iraq, and so forth, and what the NY Times is willing to print about them in a longish article are often two different things."- Wile E. Odysseus
Yeah, I was making more of a statement about my discontent- I've known about Kerry's record, Nixon, O'Neill, for a long time. And the reporters, at least many editors did too, and that's what pisses me off. That, and it's all about making money. Truth and lies mere commodities.
Don't you Philly folks put peppers on your cheesesteak?
"normally he played "a whiter shade of pale" or "the great gig in the sky", mostly because he had them down pat. the old ladies enjoyed it and after a while would actually complain if he played anything else." Olaf glad and big
LOL, really.
Today's pivotal election issue: cheese whiz. Tomorrow: boxers or briefs?
"I missed "all atop white bread". Who has ever eaten a cheesesteak on white bread? This lady's out of her mind."-
Brian Boru
Same here, white bread eeeew
Don't you Philly folks put peppers on your cheesesteak?- maroon golf
Some of us do- sweet, hot, or both.
Maroon Golf--I googled "cheez whiz" and "invented" and found an entry about 4 items down. Amazingly, Cheez Whiz was right next to "pretzel"!!!
Pretzels - Supposedly, pretzel were invented by an Italian Monk sometime in the Middle Ages. He rolled dough into a long and rope and shaped it so it looked like arms folded in prayer. These salty treats were called "pretioles," Latin for "little gift." They were given to children who had memorized their prayers.
Cheez Whiz - Kraft laboratory technicians were looking for a cheese product that would not clump together or melt into oily wads of fat slop. Invented in 1951, somehow the technicians found 1,304 different uses for it. (What I want to know is exactly what those uses were.)
The article is by Nora Murphy and I have no idea if she's more reliable than Candy Crowley, but she can't be worse.
Susie, great line. Did ya' see CapMidnight's "I applaud this reporting. Voters have a steak in this election."
Yes, no imagination, I hear you.
I share the same discontent with the way this is being reported. It shouldn't even be an issue, as opposed to things like the economy, the deficit, Bush's war in Iraq, Bush's war on the environment, and so forth. The Rethugs, however, have gotten very good every four years at whipping up these phony character debates, and the debates are always framed in such a way that it is the Democratic candidate that is unsuited by character to be elected president.
Mmmm yes, with mushrooms.
"It shouldn't even be an issue, as opposed to things like the economy, the deficit, Bush's war in Iraq, Bush's war on the environment, and so forth"- Wile E. Odysseus
Yeah, I had a little rant about that further upthread. What gets me is that people buy into the lies. It's like "are you going to believe me or your stinkin eyes?" And incredibly, people don't trust what they see. Instead, you have working class voters for Bush? Vote for the guy who is screwing you? wtf?
Draco
Thanks for the info. I had heard the pretzel before, but didn't know about pseudo-cheez.
And no imagination, as far as I'm concerned, the more peppers the merrier.
"And no imagination, as far as I'm concerned, the more peppers the merrier."- maroon golf
I love em' too, put em' on just about everything. Friend of mine has a garden full of em'- soon to be salsa and tasty treats.
Wholly crap- you guys are actually still on topic on Cheez Whiz!?! That's gotta be some kind of record.
Olaf- your church story brings to mind the Simpsons opener in which Bart sneaks In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida into the hymnal and we get to hear everyone singing it- followed (17 minutes later) by the organist collapsing. Ha-ha!
And, back in college, I used to DJ for WXPN's little baby sister station, WQHS. That was back before they went pro. Sadly, we were carrier-current only, though these days they're web-streamable, as is WXPN for those folks out of range.
I once had to work with the guys that sell and manufacture Kool Aide and Caramels ;one day they called from my phone to head office and asked for someone and I overheard " I don't know , maybe he is in the Cheeze Whiz Room..." He was asking for his assoicate advertising guy , and that guy was in the Cheeze Whiz fucking ROOM.....
I asked sarchasticly...'is it orange in there?"
He said "Well, ...yeah ...."
And I thought wow , what a rotten state culture has crumbled to
Sqweeze Cheese...how vulgar
Olaf's from Balmer? Huh....
Woulda thought Fargo ...
*Why*
*Is*
*This*
*News*
*?*
no imagination
I've always loved peppers of all kinds. I grew them last year for the first time. We probably don't get consistenly hot enough weather in Oregon to grow the best peppers, but it was great to make salsa with stuff that I grew myself. I had two Roma tomato plants, three sweet(bell) peppers, two Habanero plants, some cayenne and jalapenos as well. The secret to fresh salsa, in my opinion, is to grow your own herbs. Cilantro grows like a weed, garlic takes more care, but is definitely worth the work.
When you’re ready for desert try the flan
(Yes that’s a blogworker proposition)
that's
flan
sorry I can't make haloscan work tonight
antiphone
What's the URL?
Who ate all the pies?
Who ate all the pies?
There goes Candy,
There goes Candy
She ate all the pies
This may not have been what WC Fields meant when he said that he wanted his tombstone to read, "On the whole, I'd rather be in Philadelphia"
Candy Crowley is such a vomitous hog.
I had two Roma tomato plants, three sweet(bell) peppers, two Habanero plants, some cayenne and jalapenos as well. The secret to fresh salsa, in my opinion, is to grow your own herbs. Cilantro grows like a weed, garlic takes more care, but is definitely worth the work.
maroon golf
Cayenne is alright if you want a touch of heat to what you cook add a dash of it. Habanero is like industrial strength heat. I don't like it. It even tastes like factory heat. Jalapenos I love. They can be anywhere from mild to very hot. Thing about them is they have the distinctive jalapeno flavor. The others are just HOT.
Syd Barrett was a bloody genius, although the absinthe is fucking with me. Lord, I must have been blind
Just what the heck is wrong with Swiss cheese? Or is W trying to alienate just another European country? I mean, it's not as if Kerry ordered *French* cheese.
I put provolone and swiss on mine personally. Sometimes sharp cheddar.
And to think - Cheese Whiz isn't even fucking cheese. Anyone who would eat that shit isn't human.
Barndog sez:
And to think - Cheese Whiz isn't even fucking cheese. Anyone who would eat that shit isn't human.
Neither is "American Cheese." "Processed Cheese Product" I believe it's called.
Mabe the French are "cheese eaters" but give me a good briere anyday.
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"maybe" might work as well.
Just sayin'.
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who was it who described the media as "publicists" for this regime? it was either ken auletta or krugman in a recent interview. it's a small thing but i really struck by the accuracy of that term. as opposed to "stenographer" which suggests an impartial agent when our media has been anything but.
I prefer a super sharp pinconning myself. That stuff will cut oak.
As far as the 'processed cheese food' - thats what it is. It's not cheese. It resembles cheese, according to them. But, I can't recall ever seeing orange cheese.
You've heard the phrase "greatest thing since sliced bread"? For as long as I can remember I've said "the greatest thing since sliced peanut butter." Stupidly absurd.
Then a year ago or so I saw in the supermarket sliced peanut butter. Done-up like "Kraft Singles." Sliced of peanut butter. Will miracles never cease?
As for "orange cheese" I direct you to, again, "Kraft Singles." That stuff ain't yellow.
[insert Monty Python "Cheese Shop" sketch here.]
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Invented in 1951, somehow the technicians found 1,304 different uses for it. (What I want to know is exactly what those uses were.)
At least 1251 of them have to be preferable to oral intake.
But the stuff is "F.U.N.": Foods Unknown in Nature.
As for "orange cheese" I direct you to, again, "Kraft Singles." That stuff ain't yellow.
That stuff ain't cheese, either.
"Danish Bimbo?"
SteveLG sez:
"Danish Bimbo?"
???
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yes, let's talk about what cheese the candidates put on their Philly cheesesteak, rather than that FUBAR Iraq invasion, the FUBAR economy, the FUBAR deficit, the FUBAR christofascist police state...
eh-xcellent.
Around here (Philly burbs), the best cheesesteaks are at Drexel Hill Style Pizza in Broomall. The Royal Steak (two kinds of cheese, sauce, peppers, onions, shrooms) is my personal choice.
Whiz is for tourists and locals who should know better. Sort of like how many people in New England drink Moxie for no discernable reason.
"Karl Rove" sez
yes, let's talk about what cheese the candidates put on their Philly cheesesteak, rather than that FUBAR Iraq invasion, the FUBAR economy, the FUBAR deficit, the FUBAR christofascist police state...
Ahhh, for the good ol' days of the "Philly Cheese Steak" incident. And "hair." We can't forget "hair."
These things are important.
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Candy Crowley spent the 2000 election cycle IIRC up Gore's ass doing this shit.
Her contempt for the Democrats is palpable.
What must it be like to have such a high-profile job, such a big paycheck, and deal with it so ridiculously?
It's disgusting.
yes, let's talk about what cheese the candidates put on their Philly cheesesteak, rather than that FUBAR Iraq invasion, the FUBAR economy, the FUBAR deficit, the FUBAR christofascist police state...
eh-xcellent.
The Rove Dictum: "Stick to Principles." {Considering alternatives is moral relativism.)
The Media Dictum: "Stick to the horse race." (Policy issues are for wonks and losers!)
It's wit' or with but not Wiz with
So provolone, an imported Italian cheese made from water buffalo milk according to this cookbook we read, is as American as cheddar, but Swiss--the go-to cheese for American cartoons since before the Fleischers--is as Othernessly as ika?!
Happily, what this indicates is that the Bush smear machine (this would include the major media, which includes large local newspapers) is so fucking batshit off talking to their pet severed hand CRAZY that they honeestly don't see how this kind of incredible pettiness would turn off "unpolitical" Americans.
"Shove it", spork_incident.
If a cheesesteak sandwich is really the most important thing to certain voters, then those voters get the leaders they deserve.
Dumb, dumb, dumb...
Anyway, the whole thing reminds me of a story. In case any of you missed it, I'm Canadian, and therefore don't have a lot of experience with this so-called "American Cheese."
However, I do enjoy learning about international cuisines and cultures, so when I was in Ithica (NY) a few years back, I was in a pita place and I asked the guy, what exactly *is* American Cheese??
Well? Is it a traditional cheese passed down from the founding fathers? Does it come from Made-In-America dairy cows? is it a unique process that makes it somehow different from, say, brie or cheddar or Wensleydale?
(please understand that I had heard the phrase "American Cheese" for the very first time that day)
After conferring with his boss and Coworkers, the Pita shop guy came back and said:
"It's like Swiss Cheese"
I guess this gets Kerry off the hook for his Faux Pas.
As it turns, out, being the same colour is sufficient to make it the same thing. However, as I learned, we DO have American Cheese in Canada, but we call it something else. We call it "The Processed Whitish Mystery Cheese That You Get At Subway"
Whoops - the anonymous story about the Mystery Cheese at Ithica above was me. I'm on a different computer
My doctor put me on a low cholesterol diet. I guess that means I can never be President.
Fuck any cheese. It all has mad cow pirons in it.
Incognito sez:
"Shove it", spork_incident.
People are quoting at me this morning. Or I'm being insulted.
But we've established that I'm clueless.
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What is both amazing and utterly predictable is that the "Christmas in Cambodia" story is saved for the very end. This is the one accusation made by the Vets where the facts are clear -- and the facts show that Kerry was not truthful, as even the Kerry campaign has had to admit. How does the New York Times characterize the "Christmas in Cambodia" story? Take a deep breath. It says that the story is "the one allegation in the book that Mr. Kerry's campaign has not been able to put to rest."
Not "the allegation that has forced Mr. Kerry's campaign to explain that Mr. Kerry has not been telling the truth." Just the one allegation that they haven't yet "put to rest."
Not one of Kerry's Swift boat crewmates, even the ones backing his candidacy, recalls being in Cambodia in Christmas 1968 — and anti-Kerry Swift boat veterans cite a host of evidence that he was 50 miles away in Vietnam.
Why does it matter? Because Kerry has said the Cambodia incident — of being sent on a covert mission to "a country in which President Nixon claimed there were no American troops" was "seared" in his mind and changed his view of America.
Team Kerry's excuse is that maybe he accidentally crossed the border or his time frame was fuzzy, but that just won't square with his passionate 1986 claim, on the Senate floor, that the Christmas memory was "seared — seared — in me."
Unlike the conflicts over Kerry's medals, this isn't a he said/he said dispute — Kerry either was or wasn't in Cambodia. Eventually a reporter will ask him point-blank if he still claims he was in Cambodia that Christmas — yes or no. . . .
The other fascinating part of this story is the key role that bloggers on the Internet have played in pointing out the holes in Kerry's story — even as much of the press tries to ignore them.
For instance, when Team Kerry held a press conference featuring his crewmates this week, one was conspicuously missing — David Alston — after the Internet-fueled revelation that he may have only served on Kerry's boat for one week.
I was just joking, spork_incident.
I do know that if freedom of speech means anything it means that a group of citizens can get together to bring up this sort of charge against a presidential candidate, subject to the laws of libel. But read this New York Times editorial. . . . The Times thinks the ad should be stopped because you just shouldn't be able to make such "outlandish" independent charges in a campaign. They're against the speech, not the financing. Like Kerry, they're trying to come up with a "process" reason that avoids the inconveniently messy issue of truth. But their process reason--an attack on "independent" criticism per se--seems particularly dangerous.
Don't you love what Drudge said about this article? "More than 3 weeks after the DRUDGE REPORT began shooting up flares warning of an impending campaign battle surrounding former Vietnam veterans who would not support John Kerry for president -- the media empire strikes back!" Right, because they "would not support" Kerry, not because they are "actively campaigning against him with unfounded allegations in television commericals."
Ahhh Christmas in Cambodia. Lovely, simply lovely. Lovelier than Paris in the Spring.
"pro" and "quo" (hmmm) fuck off.
Come back later to get the spanking which you so richly deserve.
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Clutching. At. Straws.
Candy brought it on herself when she decided that the appropriate thing for the Senior political correspondent to report on was the fact that John Kerry likes Swiss cheese and that shows he's out of touch, and that George Bush is just a really regular guy who eats cheesesteaks the "right way".
The President of the United States mentioned it in a nationally televised speech. I believe it's part of her job to report on that.
Incognito-
It's cool.
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Almost as lovely as squashing a wing nut's head and watching the gray goo ooze out.
My but the trolls are getting started early.
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My but the trolls are getting started early.
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spork_incident
Trolls are like rust. They never sleep.
Having been born and bred Philly/South Jersey, I could go on a rant about what the Western United States calls a "Philly" cheese steak. They should be fined for false advertising.
And I used to work a floor below the XPN staff in that beautiful old building in University City. Listening to that in the streaming version helps keep me sane here in Arizona. Just hearing the traffic reports on the Schuylkill (Sure-Kill) Expressway brightens up my day - I can close my eyes to listen and pretend I'm home. Sigh.
Anyway, if we're listing pathological stupid Bush lies, don't forget the one about him being on the "varsity" rugby team.
"with" means onions not wiz. Kerry should've gone to Jim's too. Thruth be told its laughable, ad nauseum what the media talks about.
Cheeze, schmeeze. Just an attempt to Gore Kerry. But it ain't gonna work this time. I hope everyone sent her an email an called her on this stupidity. Shame on Crowley for the trivialization of the most important election campaign since the Civil War.
And here's a thought for the swift boat liars:
When all is said and done, Kerry was in Vietnam, Bush wasn't. Period.
End. Of. Discussion.
There may be a hole or two in Kerry's war time hero stories (Cambodia?), but fortunately we aren't asked to compare him to a real Vietnam hero. We just have to compare him to Bush.
Kate sez:
Anyway, if we're listing pathological stupid Bush lies, don't forget the one about him being on the "varsity" rugby team.
Well, it's more "manly" than cheerleader.
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I know this post will make Atrios start something else:
First, I don't like all the attacks on peoples' looks. You suck, people who do that, and probably look like fried ass yourself.
Second, while the reporting about the sandwich orders is inane, remember that Candy Crowley is on a 24/7 news network and has to report stuff all the time. Even on the campaign trail, I'm sure John Kerry's life details are more boring than not. Thank her for reporting on his sandwich order, rather than his bowel movements.
Really now, why are we wasting time arguing about hoagies?
This is absurd.
OT but this is too good to miss. Iraqi soccer team weighs in
Ahmed Manajid, who played as a midfielder on Wednesday, had an even stronger response when asked about Bush's TV advertisement. "How will he meet his god having slaughtered so many men and women?" Manajid told me. "He has committed so many crimes."
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But they also find it offensive that Bush is using Iraq for his own gain when they do not support his administration's actions. "My problems are not with the American people," says Iraqi soccer coach Adnan Hamad. "They are with what America has done in Iraq: destroy everything. The American army has killed so many people in Iraq. What is freedom when I go to the [national] stadium and there are shootings on the road?"
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I want to defend my home. If a stranger invades America and the people resist, does that mean they are terrorists?" Manajid says. "Everyone [in Fallujah] has been labeled a terrorist. These are all lies. Fallujah people are some of the best people in Iraq."
Crowley, another sucky, pretend journalist. at least she's not gorgeous. wait, if all they can spew is vacuity, at least they should be pretty. my fav. was when she interv. thurlow about the bronze star incident, and she had the wrong river, at least that fact is not in dispute. but i guess facts are stupid things. two issues have to be first in the new admin. campaign finance reform, and some sort of media oversight.
For awhile, I've been trying to come up with something to tenderize cuts of meat naturally. I found the perfect thing. It's a solid iron dumbell the weighs about 10 pounds. The ends are small enough to really maximize the impact and really flatten it out. Now I no longer want to eat any meat products because of mad cow. If ya'll had heard the program I heard last week, you would really be noided out about eating it, too.
Meanwhile back in Philly, no one gives a rat's ass how John Kerry eats his cheesesteak and dubya is still generally despised. Gimme a friggin break, will ya?
Happily, what this indicates is that the Bush smear machine (this would include the major media, which includes large local newspapers) is so fucking batshit off talking to their pet severed hand CRAZY that they honeestly don't see how this kind of incredible pettiness would turn off "unpolitical" Americans.
Or, the sinister interpretation (and this melds nicely with the return of the trolls re: SBVT), is that this once again convinces the voters that all politicians, and the people who cover them, are batshit crazy, care only about things no one really gives a shit about (except other batshit crazy people), and so the whole process is best ignored.
Better to be "unpolitical" than to engage in the pettiness of Cheez Whiz v. Swiss cheese, or of Christmas in Cambodia v. a whole pack of egregious lies, none of which have been proven to have any foundation in reality, or any relevance (oh, dear, did I display my bias?).
That, at least, is the likeliest explanation for American political culture. Fanatacism (what did Kerry eat and when did he eat it, and where was he on Xmas Day, 1968?) is designed to inflame the tiny base of people who care too deeply about such nonsense, while making it clear to the majority (the "proles" in Orwell's visionary 1984, the ones who could shake off the whole nonsense like water off a dog's back, if they cared enough to stand and shake) that they aren't part of the "group," and pretty much don't want to be.
I mean, American politics hasn't really gotten better or worse since Washington was elected. It's the only explanation I have for a culture that prides itself on representative government, and then makes sure that government is as unrepresentative, and as repellant to a majority of voters, as it can be.
In some European countries, to generalize wildly (and conclude my long-winded, caffeine deprived, rant where I should have begun), voter turnout out of 75% would be considered a disaster. In America, it would be considered a miracle. Since we've been voting a lot longer than many of those countries, why is that?
First, I don't like all the attacks on peoples' looks. You suck, people who do that, and probably look like fried ass yourself
not me, i am very attractive(well, i don't look like fried ass). but you are right. on the other hand as i mention above, she does suck as a journalist, but she is not alone.
Tomato Observer sez:
Thank her for reporting on his sandwich order, rather than his bowel movements.
Give 'em time.
CNN has learned that today John Kerry has taken a dump. President Bush was quick to point out that it was a liberal dump. But there was something weird about it.
[/Wolf]
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Yes, real Londoners eat their fish and chips with a newspaper wrapper and lots of HP sauce--the way George Bush ate it--which stands in stark, masculine contrast to the womanish, unmanful scheme devised by Red Ken, which involves symbolically enveloping his non-beef and roots in leftist propaganda and drowning it in a French liquid made in France by Dannon (a French company).
I used to be good looking but things changed. Now I'm hideous and look like fried ass.
Nah, I'm all right. Like the Van Halen song, "Not the best you've ever seen, but not the worst, either."
From today's NYTimes article on the swift boat liars:
"A series of interviews and a review of documents show a web of connections to the Bush family, high-profile Texas political figures and President Bush's chief political aide, Karl Rove.
Records show that the group received the bulk of its initial financing from two men with ties to the president and his family - one a longtime political associate of Mr. Rove's, the other a trustee of the foundation for Mr. Bush's father's presidential library."
Effing Bush is a liar when he says he's not connected with this group.
Did I just say Bush is a liar? Where'd that come from????
What Varsity rugby team?
OT: Abu Ghraib Probe Points to Top Brass
from the second graph:
It widens the scope...to include nearly 20 low-ranking soldiers who could face criminal prosecution in military courts. No Army officers, however, are expected to face criminal charges.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Bush took a dump and it had raw corn in it.
Developing......
Second, while the reporting about the sandwich orders is inane, remember that Candy Crowley is on a 24/7 news network and has to report stuff all the time.
All the more reason to reconsider Ted Turner's other claim to genius. Especially in the world of 57 channels and nothing on (and that's BASIC cable), maybe there just isn't enough news in the world to cover it 24/7.
Or, and here's a radical idea, maybe we could use all that news time to include coverage of events in India. Or Indochina. Or China. Or Russia. Australia. New Zealand. South America. Central America. Canada. Africa.
You know: the rest of the world that isn't America, or that supplies America with oil, but that contributes to American culture?
Nah. What am I thinking?
(The joke in our last comment was that there was no real difference in the meal preparation: "prop" is obviously a newspaper and HP is actually French.)
FYI, the original WaPo article on Kerry/cheesesteaks. Check the picture.
I'm sure that nobody ever orders their cheesesteak with swiss so that they had to run over to the deli to get some when Kerry showed up.
Just so ya's know...the cheeze whiz used in cheese steaks does not come in a can.
It comes in a jar, kind of like already melted velvetta cheeze. I myself am not a cheesesteak fan, but I usually have one about once a year with American cheese.
Or, and here's a radical idea, maybe we could use all that news time to include coverage of events in India. Or Indochina. Or China. Or Russia. Australia. New Zealand. South America. Central America. Canada. Africa.
Murkans don't want to see that unless to laugh at the people from there. They consider them hokey, cheesy, uncool, spastic and just plain foreign acting.
Velveeta isn't cheese either. Just so yer not confused.
1000 dead soldiers and she's talking about cheese whiz.
Murkans don't want to see that unless to laugh at the people from there. They consider them hokey, cheesy, uncool, spastic and just plain foreign acting.
And besides...they think cheese comes in wheels, from milk.
Not in jars, from Kraft.
Stupid furriners. Thank God for American ingenuity, or we'd be eating just like them.....
Robert M. Jeffers sez:
(oh, dear, did I display my bias?).
Librul!
Some years ago I was getting a hair-cut. We were chatting away when the subject of politics came around. She was suprised to learn that there were more than two political parties. She said "I didn't know that was legal."
Do we want people like that to vote?
(Disclaimer: Everyone should vote, but sometimes I wonder...)
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Some years ago I was getting a hair-cut. We were chatting away when the subject of politics came around. She was suprised to learn that there were more than two political parties. She said "I didn't know that was legal."
Another fine product of public education.....
Your experts are now of one mind:
In maturation, the Chimp's far behind.
He stopped pooping his drawers
When he discovered that wars
Gave him more brown nuggets to grind.
From the National Journal daybook this morning (and it will come as no surprise):
POLITICS
National Faith-Based Initiative Coalition (NFBIC)
News conference to announce its formation as a conservative-oriented grassroots 527 political organization to support the reelection of President George Bush.
Participants: Oliver Kellman, NFBIC
Location: National Press Club, Lisagor Room, 14th and
F Sts., NW, Washington, D.C.. 12 noon
Contact: Steve Ellis, 301-947-0513
This is just what the end of an empire that's only contribution to the world has been chicken McNuggets looks like.
Now I no longer want to eat any meat products because of mad cow. If ya'll had heard the program I heard last week, you would really be noided out about eating it, too.
my daughter has been veggo for 15 years. after the mad cow outbreak i became one too. it's not that i'm afraid of mad cow, it's just wrong what they do to those animals. organic beef, i could still eat that, can't afford it, but i could eat it. deer hunting?
OT, to rev my self up for my first year of voting i hope to see pearl jam in kissimmee(maybe neil will pop in for a surprise visit). but if not, i'm going to rent apocalypse now, i'll probably watch it 2 or 3 times. vietnam is over. but the movie is good in it's depiction of the brutalization of mens psyches when they are forced into war for ambiguous and ideological means. or to go from the source 'the heart of darkness', imperialist profiteering.
but the movie is good in it's depiction of the brutalization of mens psyches when they are forced into war for ambiguous and ideological means.
I'll spend the rest of the day trying to think of a war that doesn't fit into that description......
Oh dear, and Candy Crowley was one of the few journalists left for which I had a modicum of respect. Cross her name off the list too.
I sent her an e-mail with a link to atrios and the following message:
"A little leg work will get you the true story and also help you lose weight."
It had to be said.
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Best. Shit. Ever.
Give yourselves a hand. There are paper towels that you can use to clean up with on the side counter, when are done giving yourselves a hand.
deer hunting?
No, mad cow has spread to wildlife. They captured some elk and put other elk in pens with them and the non-infected elk came down with mad cow, too. So they think it may be spread by saliva or urine or feces. Recently they had to kill thousands of elk in Montana or someplace in the upper mid-West. And they can't incinerate the carcasses because the prions in mad cow can survive incineration and the smoke would carry the prion proteins and settle it out on the countryside to be taken up again. The only thing you can do is bury the carcasses. That shit is getting worse folks. The military has taken over research of it now and is keeping it secret and everybody's in denial both the public and meat industry whose only concern is the bottom line, anyway, and not the public health. They use bone meal from the bones of slaughtered been on our produce. Thankfully, vegetables don't seem to take it up just make sure you wash it really well.
Jumping in, since there's no "coffee thread" yet, but Michelle Malkin is on CSPAN right now and the first question is about Hardball last night.
~ahem~ been = beef
little lulu is on cspan now discussing her appearance on hardball...
You had respect left for Crowley? You must not have seen her simpering portrayals of Dear Leader. She's been whoring for them a long time.
Anybody with money on Malkin throwing up self-inflicted wounds on c-span today, the time was six minutes in.
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It's gotten to the point where nothing we eat is safe anymore.
Incognito sez:
This is just what the end of an empire that's only contribution to the world has been chicken McNuggets looks like.
I seem to recall from my meat-eating days that 3 out of 6 "McNuggets" were disgusting and slimy.
The other 3 were terrific.
Sounds like U.S. foreign policy.
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It's like you're playing Russian Roulette with anything you put on your plate.
Apocalypse Now is deeply insulting, incompetantly thrown together, and purely reactionary: it fails Conrad and vindicates one of the worst lies of the generals.
(That "our boys" were stupid selfish hedonists who could've won had they been more Spartan, like the defenders, who "lived on a handful of uncooked rice a day", but paradoxically should not have been able to win.)
Try:
(Vietnam)
Platoon (1986)
Full Metal Jacket (was that the same year?)
(or, for other wars)
Johnny Got his Gun (the 70s)
All Quiet on the Western front (the 30s)
Paths of Glory (the 50s)
Big Red One (early 80s)
Steel Helmet (50s)
Soldier of Orange (70s)
(there are a lot we're leaving out.)
Apocalypse Now is cinematography without cinema. It's a god-damn overbloated try-out for a job as a Playboy photographer.
Also, in the expanded Apocalypse Now, fuckwad coppolla actually manages to mock the thin thread thousands relied on in a pathetic, near religious way, as well as working in a deeply confused Camusing defense of the land piracy that began the whole mess.
Nina, yes, but the respect I had for her was based mostly on the fact that she was one of the few "journalists" out there who gave Howard Dean a fair shake when he was still in the primaries. I know that's not saying much...
Chemical cheeze whiz (must refer to watery shit afterwards) is REQUIRED?
Amazing. No wonder many Americans look like walking sofas.
"First, I don't like all the attacks on peoples' looks. You suck, people who do that, and probably look like fried ass yourself."
FRIED ASS?! FRIED ASS?! I never said she looked like fried ass - I merely implied that she ate all the pies, since she was seen waddling away from the where the pies were located.
Look, who are we kiddin'? The fat bitch ate ALL THE FUCKIN' PIES. She didn't leave a single goddamn pie of the rest of the press corp.
incognito,
are you thinking of chronic wasting disease with the elk? chronic wasting is a disease of similar nature to madcow, although i don't believe it's the same protein. that's scary shit, too, it's in deer and elk populations, although only in certain states. it spreads mostly on farms and ranches, since the animals are kept in such close quarters together... it's also bad in areas where people feed deer, so you have 20+ deer drooling over the same corn in a small area.
anyway, as with all things we don't want spread, many people want to continue to do their business despite the danger, so you have ranch owners selling infected elk and deer to other ranches or game areas in other states, thereby spreading it. pretty awesome.
"Democrat party waterboys", Malkin re: Tweety and Olbermann.
Bwaahahahaha!
"Scurrilous charges" indeed!
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kei & yuri sez:
Full Metal Jacket (was that the same year?)
I've fallen asleep during only two movies. This was one of the two.
Big Red One (early 80s)
The most underrated film in history.
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8.8 BILLION dollars missing in IRAQ
Wha the f !!!!!!!!!!!
8.8 BILLION dollars missing in IRAQ
Wha the f !!!!!!!!!!!
8.8 BILLION dollars missing in IRAQ
Wha the f !!!!!!!!!!!
anyway, as with all things we don't want spread, many people want to continue to do their business despite the danger, so you have ranch owners selling infected elk and deer to other ranches or game areas in other states, thereby spreading it. pretty awesome.
eve
It's genocide. It has the potential to kill all animal life on this planet.
K&Y--
You left out two:
"Patton" (best romanticization of war Hollywood ever did).
"Dr. Strangelove" (best realistic depiction of the Cold War)
@Thersites:
Actually, Lemmy has a great lounge act he does. The thing is that it does not, at any point, involve music. Only vodka.
On the other hand, find yourself in a Holiday Inn lounge with an unmanned piano and Billy Payne(Little Feat) and you are are in for a treat.
Never play "Stump The Piano Player" with Billy Payne. Never. Exercise in futility.
eve, it's all the same. Even cats have gotten it.
Thanks for the link to the WaPo article from 2003. Apart from the fact that my first impression of Kerry scarfing-down his cheesesteak was hardly what you'd call "dainty", I was struck by the fact that this bit of trivia was written by Dana Milbank.
I'm willing to attribute this atrocious drivel to the fact that the fallout of the Bush Crime Family may not have seemed so ominous, even as recently as '03, war notwitstanding. And I really don't think he'd write this shit today.
Still, when your grandchildren ask how come the Bush Crime family runs America on a permanent basis, be sure to tell them that once upon a time, before it was a done deal, all the Amurcun people ever read about and watched were stories about Cheese Whiz.
robert m., you probably won't find one. but to this day does anyone know of good reason we were in veitnam. at least in iraq we know it's the oil. we are not told that, but it's obvious.
thanx, for making me realize i should just stop eating incognito. vegetables? can anyone say monsanto. 'they'(not necessarily monsanto) have actually melded flounder genes with tomatoes, some how makes them more cold hearty. but that's not really a tomato is it?
thanx, for the headsup on malkin. can't watch it tho, she is just ridiculous.
Hold, I'm going to find the resources about it.
Developing.....
"It's genocide. It has the potential to kill all animal life on this planet."
the practice described does, yes. the diseases themselves are, thus far, pretty restricted to hooved animals.
that said, non-native invasive plants, animals, insects, and diseases are already seriously changing, frequently permenantly and negatively, ecosystems all over the world. invaders are the #2 reason for worldwide extinction, after only habitat loss. more species extinctions + species not around during the ecosystem's evolution = chaos.
Michael Greger, MD, is the Mad Cow Coordinator for the Organic Consumers Association and the Chief BSE Investigator for 'no downers' (Farm Sanctuary). Dr. Greger has been speaking publicly about mad cow disease since 1993. He has debated the National Cattlemen's Beef Association before the FDA and was invited as an expert witness at the Oprah Winfrey infamous "meat defamation" trial.
Trying to find more websites....
"Platoon (1986)"
worst movie i ever saw. highly overated. el salvador, that was a good movie. i don't see too many movies but in my mind el salvador is the only good movie oliver stone ever made. and you are wrong about apocalypse now. well, not exactly wrong, but i do disagree.
I know I seem hysterical and alarmist but this shit is for real.
Air injection stunning forces air, in addition to a mechanical penetrating rod, into the animals’ brains, resulting in rapid unconsciousness. The air injection apparently improves the effectiveness and humaneness of stunning, but it also causes pieces of the brain matter to be spread in the body, which raises concerns about contaminating other parts of the carcass with high risk brain tissue. The American Meat Institute states that air injected stunners are no longer manufactured nor are they currently used in U.S. slaughterhouses. If this is true, the new rule would have no impact on the status quo.
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Just think --
Candy Crowley (and I thought that Bush called her "Dulce", not "Butterqueen"?), of all the things she could have talked about:
-- BushCo's making the CIA take the fall for PNAC's and Doug Feith's actions
-- The strong role played by Regnery Press, Corsi and Thurlow's publishers, in the white-power wing of modern US conservatism
-- Seymour Hersh's investigations into the statements alleging the rape, by persons in the US' employ, of young boys at Abu Ghraib
-- How Chinese and Japanese investors are financing Bush's looting the Treasury to further enrich his already-loaded buddies (and why they may not be willing to keep doing this forever)
Instead, what does she do? She uses a lie straight out of RNC Central to pimp the "Kerry is an inauthentic liar" meme. And it's not even about anything important, like missile defense.
IIRC, there's a disease cannibals get that's quite similar to Kreutzfeld-Jakob ("mad-cow disease"). I remember seeing it mentioned a few years ago in a documentary on mad-cow disease.
Rescued laying hens from Big Agri.
...remember that Candy Crowley is on a 24/7 news network and has to report stuff all the time.
So why doesn't she report on the white-power background of Kerry's attackers? Or their extensive ties to Bush? Instead, she regurgitates a lie that is an obvious RNC plant.
She didn't do any legwork for this non-story : It was handed to her.
Is it cruel to say that Candy Crowley looks like she knows Philly cheesesteaks intimately?
i'd say it's about the only thing she's had an intimate relationship with--unlike kerry, she can eat half a cheesesteak in one bite.
not surprised that she considered it such an important issue.
incognito-- not sure if you're still there or not...
i think there's a lot of crazy, scary shit that goes down in factory farms. i think that the diseases coming out now are going to start highlighting some of those shady practices, and make people, previously very uncomfortable with the topic, actually think twice about what they'll accept in the name of nourishment. once you start looking into this stuff, you'll never look at your food the same.
don't even get me started on genetically modified foods and herbicide/pesticide applications. meat might kill you with mad cow, but you can't tell me that --cides don't kill you with cancer.
You have got to be kidding me. Is there *anything* the Bush folks won't lie about?
eve, I knew there were some shady things going on in the idustry but I was in denial like everybody else. Now I'm not. I don't mind paying more for more humane treatment of our farm animals and for them to cut out their unhealthy practices to the public health. I still wont eat of it until they clean up their act and unless all of us get involved and vote with our pocketbooks, it wont change. Fahhgetabouit!
For every egg-laying hen confined in a battery cage, there is a male chick who was killed at the hatchery. Because egg-laying chicken breeds have been genetically selected exclusively for maximum egg production, they don't grow fast or large enough to be raised profitably for meat. Therefore, male chicks of egg-laying breeds are of no economic value, and they are literally discarded on the day they hatch — usually by the cheapest, most convenient means available. Thrown into trash cans by the thousands, male chicks suffocate or are crushed under the weight of others.
Another common method of disposing of unwanted male chicks is grinding them up alive. This can result in unspeakable horrors, as described by one research scientist who observed that "even after twenty seconds, there were only partly damaged animals with whole skulls". In other words, fully conscious chicks were partially ground up and left to slowly and agonizingly die. Eyewitness accounts at commercial hatcheries indicate similar horrors of chicks being slowly dismembered by machinery blades en route to trash bins or manure spreaders.
slightly OT - i just want to weigh in and say, it's hurtful to whores and fat people for you to keep comparing them to republicans. i mean, i'm a fat person, and some of my best friends are whores.
i'd rather be a fat cheez whiz eating whore than a republican right about now, that's for sure.
i think it would be better if we did to the word republican what they did to the word liberal. so diseased-sounding that no one wants to be besmirched by it.
also, the summer of 87 i lived in west philly. i ate one cheese steak. it was my last one. sorry, PA comrades. the provolone hoagies were nice though.
That would be the scandal-plagued Republicans.
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Let's get it right, folks:
Cheeze Whiz - a Kraft cheese food product which comes in a jar.
Easy Cheese - a Kraft cheese food product which comes in an aerosol can.
If you're going to bash junk food, at least take the time to figure out exactly what it is you're bashing.
For the record, I can't stand the taste of Cheeze Whiz unless it's on a cheesesteak, in which case some magical transformation occurs and I can't get enough of it. Saying that Whiz is for non-locals only is a bit of a stretch, though - I'll save the good provolone for a hoagie from Rocco's, thank you very much!
Going back to the Delaware Valley this weekend, and now I'm just plain ravenous. I have a checklist of foods not available in New England that I need to scarf down while I'm there:
1. Cheesesteak
2. Rocco's Hoagie (from the Reading Terminal Market)
3. Tastykakes - I'm big on the fruit pies and the Tasty-Klairs, but the wife digs the chocolate cupcakes and the butterscotch Krimpets
4. Soft pretzels
5. Pork roll, aka Taylor Ham
6. Herr's potato chips with Old Bay seasoning
7. A mess of blue crabs
8. Ike's Crabcakes
9. Mack and Manco's Pizza, aka the best plain cheese pizza in the world
10. Frozen custard - not to be confused with "soft serve" or "frozen yogurt"
11. Special dark Amish hard pretzels
12. Yuengling beer
13. Sweet tea, aka iced tea with sugar and no lemon (the South begins where sweet tea is sold in a bottle alongside extra-sweet sweet sea, and iced tea with lemon is nowhere to be found)
The worst part is that I could keep on going with this list all day...
Re: mad cow and slaughter techniques:
Just to raise the tension level, it's worse than how they animal is killed.
"Mad cow" lives in the nerve cells of the brain and spinal cord. The latter is usually split with a band saw, which simply sprays (actually, aerosolizes) cells everywhere. Not just on the band saw, but in the air.
Which means one diseased cow and contaminate many, many other carcasses.
Lovely, eh?
"How they animal is killed"?
"one diseased cow and contaminate many"?
Obviously the coffee isn't strong enough this morning....
incognito-- good luck in your investigations... i became vegetarian for ecological reasons about 9 years ago, so i've never really invested time into thoroughly researching animal abuse in the industry. i know many stories about it, and it's enough to keep me away. outrage-ous. definitely.
at any rate, if you need tips on vegetarianism, give a holler. there are plenty of resources on it, too.
a great read on this stuff is john robbins (as in, the grandson of the cofounder of baskin robbins ice cream). most literature can feel propoganda-ish, but i think that's because it's hard not to get really upset about it, so that emotion comes through in the writing.
13. Sweet tea, aka iced tea with sugar and no lemon (the South begins where sweet tea is sold in a bottle alongside extra-sweet sweet sea, and iced tea with lemon is nowhere to be found)
Actually, the South begins where people mention "tea" and mean "sweet tea" (usually in private homes, where the pitcher of tea in the refrigerator is invariably sweetened).
Despite being a life long Southerner (from East Texas, more properly understood as western Louisiana), I finally gave up sweet tea in my never ending attempt to avoid the diabetes that runs in my mother's family.
I mean, the Southern sweet tooth is bad enough (Damn you, British!)....
Mmmm ...then more Cheez Whiz, some bacon, maybe some sour cream, more bacon, hot grease, more Cheez Whiz...
RMJ and incognito,
i think the absolute scariest thing about these diseases is that they aren't viruses and they aren't bacterial... they're PROTEINS that can "reformat" existing proteins in the body to their invasive structure. they don't reproduce in the traditional sense; they use what's there and change it. scientists have NO FUCKING CLUE how to deal with that.
(i'm just sitting here shaking my head, i still can't believe it. life is phenomenal, but i use that word in the most respectful, least bias-ed way intended.)
I order mine with "White cheese", whatever that is. American, I think.
How many people are going to write stories about cheese staeks without actually accurately describing what it is? Not "strips" of beef; they're thin slices. Not "fried" onions; they're grilled. Not white bread; hoagie rolls. Why can't someone who actually lived in Philly and ate the damn things write the story?? And although it's been a while since I lived in Philly, since when is Jim's Steaks called "Jim's Place"?
Jaysis.
"Some people say" Candy Crowley enjoys hot fudge on her cheesesteaks, which she then dips in a warm cup of lard.
Someone explain this to me ... if John Kerry went through all the trouble to manufacture his war record to serve as a prop for his future political career, why would he then become a Viet Nam War protester? Wouldn't it have better served his political career to come home and be a smiling flag-waving war hero?
I know I'm coming to the conversation late, but three things:
1) Steve's Prince of Steaks in the Northeast. Better than anything at the Italian Market.
2) It's all about the Whiz. I can't think of another food product that gets melted and stays melted. Cheeze fries at the Vet were the same way. This thing is solid, gets heated to a liquid, and never becomes solid again. You can dip hours later and it's still sauce. A true miracle of modern culinary science.
3) "On white bread"? What? How about on an Amoroso hoagie roll? That's more like it. And more accurate.
-adam
"platoon" was ok until the very end where he's leaving on the helicopter and there's the voiceover explanation of what the movie was about in case people hadn't been paying attention.
Your true cheese steak connoisseur eats so many of them, he tries all varieties.
I've had them with and without Whiz, American, provolone, swiss, munster, cheddar, and brie; with and without mayo, ketchup, mustard, hot sauce, pizza sauce, and french onion soup; and with and without mushrooms, onions, fried onions, jalapenos, bacon, sausage, pepperoni, pineapple.
I'm not saying that Kerry did the politically expedient thing when he ordered his own, but I am saying, as someone who has consumed 1000s and 1000s of cheese steaks, that ordering one with a different, off-beat, or any way unusual combination of ingredients can also be the mark of the true cheesesteak epicure.
You try eating five cheesesteaks a week and never varying from the same toppings and ingredients.
"although it's been a while since I lived in Philly, since when is Jim's Steaks called "Jim's Place"?"
Two different places. This one's in Essington. I live four blocks from Jim's Steaks.
Jeffers--Patton? We would rather hand "best romantization" to something about a group of grunts, like a walk in the sun or something (not really sure). We would almost be more comfortable giving that to Das Boot than Patton.
Olaf--no kidding! Oliver Stone never misses a chance to sabotage his own case.
charles--loved Salvador. Real "independent" thing: Stone was told about this incredible opportunity to make the kind of film that "can never be made", but he had to hurry and get it done same year as the much larger Platoon, and the producer told him, do it, you'll never see another chance like this.
Half a day too late to talk about Fitchburg. Ah well. I hear it's having kind of a renaissance now.
Oh, and they called 'em "Steak 'n' Cheese" when I lived in Fitchburg.
Wow, you guys really feature some highly intelligent discourse here! I am impressed.
As an American of Swiss extraction, Let me tell you the joke we kids made up:
"Why is it called American Cheese?"
"Because only Americans think it's cheese."
Hey, the Swiss can snark too.
Wow, you guys really feature some highly intelligent discourse here! I am impressed.
"Tell me what you eat and I will tell you who you are."
Anthelme Brillat-Savarin
ugh.. fitchburg. I lived in Mass for about 18 months, and will never go back. Too fucking expensive, and the winters are too fucking cold.
Wow, you guys really feature some highly intelligent discourse here! I am impressed.
"Tell me what you eat and I will tell you who you are."
Anthelme Brillat-Savarin
CHEESESTEAK??? Are you people crazy? Why is this even an "issue"?!
This is lunacy! Bush and Kerry are allowing corporate America to export our manufacturing, service, and information jobs, and people are blathering about CHEESESTEAK?!
They both support the totalitarian USA Patriot Act, but we must be concerned with the kind of cheese they use??
They both oppose universal health care, but never mind that -- we have to focus on what they eat!
A vote for Ralph Nader or the Green Party tells both corporate parties to take their corrupt, irrelevant, corporate nonsense, and get the hell out of our government!
Barndog -
On the off chance you pop in here again, to answer your question: Bush lied when he said he played rugby, and specifically pointed out it was not the JUNIOR VARSITY, but the VARSITY team he played on. However, school officials came forward to point out that there is and was at no time any such thing as a varsity (or junior varsity) team. There's just one plain ol' team. See, he just can't NOT lie.
What mental ward are you all from..
Read your posts what a bunch of retards..Why dont you get a life..
I mean after your stay at the funny farm!
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