I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Because he's a doddering old fool, that's why.
PS First. (Sorry...)
Jesus, what a whore.
ive never really respected dole anyway, hes always allowed himself to be used as a partisan hack, notwithstanding the op ed the other day.
Sorry I'm listening to Buce, you know the Boss, so who are the republicans gonna have playing for them.
Repuke have absolutely no shame whatsoever. GWB could rape his own mother on TV at the RNC orgy, cut her arms and legs off, then go on to the kids and do the same and every fucking right-wing talking head would spin it into GWB showing his manliness.
Oh, and anybody who gets on here and yells 'Frist' is a fucking moron.
Maybe ha has Connections.... too-
Glad he threw away what was once a respectable career to defend an AWOL coke-snorter and a draft dodger.
Streets of Philadelphia, that's sweet.
This is a rhetorical question, right?
D
ot, but Bill Maher on next.
Eh - fuck Bob Dole. It's time for him to go away now. Nobody cares what he says - he's a loser.
bitching bob should take his limp dick and slink off into obscurity.
Dole's not ashamed because his vile behavior means money in the GOP bank for his wife, that's why.
Piss on you too, Party Line. Those of us who're on the computer at 11 at night have no life as it is; why deny us the simple pleasure of First/Fristing?
Powell will receive a nice welcome in Athens this week-end...
First, a paleo-hatchet man.
Next, Viagra.
Then, Britney-boner double entendres in a Pepsi ad.
And now, back to the hachet. The circle is unbroken; the "Greatest" Generation cashes in it's remaining integrity chips.
Nice Bob, the sell-out is complete.
too bad this will only be bandied about on progressive 'blogs...me thinks that the "liberal media" will find its "dignity" and not broadcast an off-camera moment out of, you know, respect...
fuckers.
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'Party-before-country' Bob? Is he still around?
SCUM is absolutely correct. Why didn't (Wolf? - in the best tradition of Kipling, I deem him "cub") nail him right then and there. He could have actually had a story worth watching. Are you telling me that their abysmal ratings are something they desire? What gives with a journalist who actually ignores the truth to further a lie? Simply unforgivable! (Boss is doing a little GHOST OF TOM JOAD here. Course I could be listening to Brittany -- did you catch Graham Norton when he said that Brittany's wedding mansion was delayed: it takes a long time to weld 100 trailers together)
Like with Woot, I appreciate the "frist". It's a part of the community.
It's one of those distinct things, like bad Yakov Smirnov jokes on Slashdot.
And Frist is a dick who deserves all the derision he gets.
-SB.
Boner Bob
send the cite to salon to every media outlet especially to the Mayor of Looneyville and Baby Huey Matthew who have been using Dole to bash Kerry
Looneyville joe@msnbc.com and ask him if Bob Dole let him try on his old uniform
Baby Huey hardball@msnbc.com and ask him what he has done with his PT109 tie clip since no real veteran would ever campaign on his military record.
watergate.....
i guess i met my watergate
-little napolean
Top Taliban leader just captured. Somebody check this out.
OT: Maher v "swifty" O'Neill just now -- Maher notes Bush says he doesn't believe Kerry lied about his Vietnam experiences, and says that means O'Neill must be lying. O'Neill attempts to dodge this and Maher presses him on why Bush would say Kerry wasn't lying. O'Neill paused then replied, "Because he wasn't there." And Maher said, "Oh, he DEFINITELY wasn't there." (or words to that effect)
BEAUTY
The all new Swift Bottle Guzzlers for Bush are working on their first ad which PROVES
that Bush actually had at least 12 medal of honor caliber hangovers in the 4 1/2 month period that John Kerry wasted his time on Navy swift boats in Vietnam. They will also contend the he vomited for his country on several occasions, they were not superficial hangovers.
They also signed affidavits swearing that he did dance on a table with only his underwear on in front of many fellow students.
More proof that he's a regular guy and not stiff like John Kerry.
Like with Woot, I appreciate the "frist". It's a part of the community.
It's one of those distinct things, like bad Yakov Smirnov jokes on Slashdot.
Frist is a part of the community like goddamn Adrian Spittle and the rest of the 101st Fighting Trolls.
Ha Ha!
I hope that employee at CNN keeps his/her job.
They should put her/him on instead of Wolfie Baby, at least this person has some journalistic integrity.
Shame on Leslie
So what's worse, Dole being the hack we know he is or Blitzer not calling him on it? I think the latter
11 at night have no life
Friday night too. Help.
I know it's nuts but I feel sorry for the poor dumb bastard. But I have a terrible weakness about old people.
It really is unbelieveable. Dole and his wife were victims of Bush I's lies. He knows that runt son smeared McCain. And he helps him smear another vet.
I know it's nuts but I feel sorry for the poor dumb bastard. But I have a terrible weakness about old people.
It really is unbelieveable. Dole and his wife were victims of Bush I's lies. He knows that runt son smeared McCain. And he helps him smear another vet.
That is one tired old man. Go home, Bob. Play with the (great)grandkids. Pet the dog. Sleep late, watch the sunset a few more times. You served your party well, better than they deserved. They want you to run Veterans Affairs? Do YOU want to? What's that? You guess you'll have to? Bullshit. You paid your dues, and you don't need this crap anymore.
Go home, Bob. Have a beer. Have three, and take a pee off the back porch. Fuck 'em.
Bob Dole bites the dust and drags bush down with him.
Can you believe how they all know the truth, yet they all play along in the big swindle on the American people (including knowing whispers off camera), even the so called journalists, some who play it to the hilt, milk it fo all it's worth.
And so called war heros like Bib Pole.
I felt sorry for Bob Dole when he was on The Real World. He seemed so out of place.
Your are right, Lucky Ducky. It's nuts.
Let me absolve you of your need to feel sorry for him. Perhaps the Viagra has drained the blood from his brain, but he's been paid handsomely to take it.
No more feeling sorry for hacks and henchmen. Not even Bob Dole.
It's time to rumble.
OT: Maher v "swifty" O'Neill just now -- Maher notes Bush says he doesn't believe Kerry lied about his Vietnam experiences, and says that means O'Neill must be lying. O'Neill attempts to dodge this and Maher presses him on why Bush would say Kerry wasn't lying. O'Neill paused then replied, "Because he wasn't there." And Maher said, "Oh, he DEFINITELY wasn't there." (or words to that effect)
The correct response would have been: "Of course he wasn't there, but neither were you Mister O'Neill."
It's not nice to want harm to anybody, but...then at the same time...he needs to be there to weaken that damn ticket
WASHINGTON (AP) -- A military plane carrying Dick Cheney came within almost half a mile of a small private plane over Bridgeport, Connecticut, this month, forcing the Vice President's pilot to take evasive action, the Federal Aviation Administration said Friday.
It's time to rumble.
Plenty
Amen, Plenty.
Lucky Ducky - When I read the story at Slate, what occurred to me is that Dole must have owed Bush Senior something, and Junior got Poppy to call it in. But I really don't quite get why they'd go to the trouble. Dole was the spokesman for penile erectile dysfunction; personally, I'm glad he's on their side. Not to mention that he's so ancient at this point he's moldy.
Really, the whole thing is just totally unseemly.
I know politics is a dirty business but I swear - is Bush holding Dole's and McCain's kids/grandkids hostage or what?
Here's the transcript. Note Dole's reply coming out of the clip.. 'those same people now are going after Bush'... Then note him attacking the Purple Hearts. Disgraceful.
MCCAIN: But let me tell you what really went over the line. Governor Bush had an event, and he paid for it, and stood next to a spokesman for a fringe veterans group. That fringe veteran said that John McCain had abandoned the veterans.
Now, I don't know how if you can understand this, George, but that really hurts.
BUSH: Yes.
MCCAIN: That really hurts.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
DOLE: Yes, that does hurt. I mean, I'm a veteran. And these same people now are going after Bush. I didn't see them going after Clinton in '96 because he didn't serve at all. They were going after me on my record.
That's why I say we ought to get back to the issues. Let's talk about the issues. Let's talk about taxes, the environment, jobs. John Kerry -- very articulate. You know, he's not a...
BLITZER: Well, because one of the things you're suggesting -- and I want to make sure our viewers are not left with the wrong impression, Senator, is that you seem to think there is some doubt whether John Kerry deserved those ribbons and medals that he got, serving in Vietnam.
I want you to listen to what Senator John Warner, the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, a friend of yours, he was on this program sitting in that seat only one week ago. He was secretary of the Navy when John Kerry got that Silver Cross. Listen to this.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SEN. JOHN WARNER (R), VIRGINIA: We did extraordinary, careful checking on that type of medal, a very high one, when it goes through the Secretariat. So I'd stand by the process that awarded him that medal, and I think we best acknowledge that his heroism did gain that recognition.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BLITZER: The Silver Star he was talking about. You obviously believe Senator Warner.
DOLE: Yes, but I don't think Senator Warner drafted the citation or even, you know, they'd gone so far as to say Kerry wrote up his own record.
BLITZER: But what Senator Warner said is there was a process that, when it got to him, the secretary of the Navy, he had total confidence that it was justified. And that if he got the Silver Star, John Kerry, he believes it was justified.
DOLE: I don't quarrel with that. I said John Kerry's a hero. But what I will always quarrel about are the Purple Hearts. I mean, the first one, whether he ought to have a Purple Heart -- he got two in one day, I think. And he was out of there in less than four months, because three Purple Hearts and you're out.
A military plane carrying Dick Cheney came within almost half a mile of a small private plane over Bridgeport, Connecticut, this month
Hmm...does Poppy Bush still have a pilot's license?
Tell Wolf you don't appreciate his cover up of the lie. Then tell more people...........
Just haign viewed the tape --
You know, I really do try to go easy on the working girls out there, and not besmirch their work by comparing it to what the traitors in our midst are up to. But in this case all I can say is:
WHAT A WHORE!
Unreal.
And Wolf obviously just lets it lie. Whoever got that feed is a hero in my book.
How do these people sleep at night?
Bob Dole did not deserve his third hard on... how do I know? I was there...
...and even if he did I have heard people say it was self-fellated
Sad, sad, sad. But what do you expect from someone who has drank so deeply of the repukelican kool-aid ? I mean, it's not like he gets his manliness from a pill, is it ? I don't think I would be wrong about Mr. Dole's answer if someone asked him which would be better for the nation: Bringing in other nations to Iraq so many of our soldiers could come home, or George Bush being re-elected ?
Slightly o.t.- cspan.org has the transcript of John Kerry's testimony to congress in 1971, and after watching the re-broadcast last night I went and printed the whole thing(about 30 pages). Not only do you get to see how badly the SBVT have been lying, but watching this hearing I really came to respect John Kerry for his ability to address these senators, and the respect they showed him.
Mr. Dole, please go home now and be quiet, what little dignity you had is completely gone.
Woo hoo!
Just saw a really lame Bush attack ad on TV, followed immediately by DNC ad w/ Gen McPeak endorsing Kerry...good, positive ad.
Nightline's doing Israeli mole @ Pentagon story right now...
One thing about this campaign that has consistently struck me as amusing has been the complete, luddite-like lack of comprehension of how modern communication works on the part of BushCo.
What a bunch of tools.
Bob Dole - buy him now, a dollar a hollar.
I can't even laugh, it's so true it's downright sad.
wtfwjd? - LOL But there are so many much easier ways, given Dicky's lack of a functioning heart. Or a heart function, too, for that matter.
it's Rhodes.
it's Rhodes.
Today Bush said he made a little mistake in Iraq
here's that mistake by another name
This is the little miscalculation by another name
"We blatantly failed to get it right," said Larry Diamond, a senior fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution who served as an adviser to the occupation authority. "When you look at the record, it's impossible to escape the conclusion that we squandered an unprecedented opportunity."
click the homepage for the full article
Dole has always been a Republicans attack dog, but he used to bite the hand that fed him, too. I remember some incredibly sharp-tongued quips about Reagan from Dole in the old days.
Blitzer can't even say that.
Nightline reported he is a Farsi speaker who works in Feith's office & reports to Bill Luti. Sounds like Rhodes.
OT: Did folks see the wire stories about the protests in Athens regarding the weekend visit by Colin Powell?
Dang. The regime is not welcome anywhere.
See y'all on the streets of NYC!
Er, Rhode.
Monica_CA - I've noted the same thing about the Bush campaign. It's kind of breathtaking, really, the extent to which they seem completely oblivious.
OT: but it's bothering me.
All this talk about demonstrations in NYC making the Dems look bad took me back to a little party called:
Brooks Brothers Riot
Looks like a nice card to keep in your Pokemon deck.
OT: but it's bothering me.
All this talk about demonstrations in NYC making the Dems look bad took me back to a little party called:
Brooks Brothers Riot
Looks like a nice card to keep in your Pokemon deck.
Dole has always been a Republicans attack dog, but he used to bite the hand that fed him, too. I remember some incredibly sharp-tongued quips about Reagan from Dole in the old days.
Lucky Ducky --
Yeah but that was back in the olden days when Dole had a shot at the Presidency. At this point he's been relegated to your basic, garden variety whoredom.
I figure it was probably about the time he was shooting some German kid in the face in 1942 that Bob Dole decided whatever soul he had left was already damned. After that, he just did what he had to do.
it's amazing how much power mccain's weilding in this election. i'm surprised he hasn't knocked the bush team more into line, especially considering what he experienced in 2000.
What a fucking day for the cable to go out...
Tena --
It seems to me that they're so taken with their traditional, big-money power, that they discount all other forms.
Too bad for them. These dinosaurs are about to eat our furry little dust, and they can't even comprehend that it's coming...
See y'all on the streets of NYC!
Where are we meeting?
Seriously, I live upstate and can probably only take a day to get down. What's the best time and place to show up?
Major hats off to the brave CNN employee who made the digital file...don't anyone for a minute think that there an intense effort to discover the culprit by CNN brass.
I wish more of broadcasting's technical ranks would act in a like manner.
Monica, which brings us back to the question - why would he do it?
I mean ..hell. I figured he could fool himself into believing most of the attacks he's made over the years.
But this one..? For Bush? The idiot son of the guy who treated him so badly?
Anyway, this reminds me why I couldn't survive in politics.
And I just found my copy of "Marquee Moon" by Television. So things seem slightly better.
I have to believe there's some bank of political favors from which Bush keeps drawing, that if there's any justice in the world, will either force him into Chapter 11 around Columbus Day, or just flat-out fucking repossess the furniture, cars, and buildings of this Administration, and kick Bush's ass out into the gutter.
Okay, so he and his slime-drenched political campaigns are already there, but you know what I mean...
rumble! rumble! rumble!
all good and well..
don't forget the phones and envelopes.
THIS IS NOT A SPECTATOR SPORT
As much as I want this tape to be true I think it is a fake. Anybody with a home computer and some $99 software could alter that video and sound.
And if it is true I don't think Dole will be called again to attack Kerry.
On a related note, isn't it about time for John Kerry to recycle Dole's own anti-Bush line, and tell Dole to "STOP LYING ABOUT MY RECORD!"
Attention customers, would Mr. Bob Dole please report to the pickup desk for his petard?
And it's Dole!! Dole takes the gold for the fastest time from class to trash!
I have heard rumors that McCain may be kissing Bush's ass, because McCain is thinking of another Presidential run in 08. He wants to be in good standing with the entire GOP for that reason. I am thinking that if Bush is re-elected, Jeb will make the run in 08, and the Bush dynasty will be smearing McCain once again. It is almost funny!
My hope is that the moderate / conservatives in the GOP will call BS on this attack stuff and take back their party from the current Bush/Delay/Frist scum. It would take a couple of cycles to regain their stature, but would be worth it in the long run. As a liberal, I still value honest debate among liberals, moderates and conservatives. Maybe just living in the past...
On a related note, isn't it about time for John Kerry to recycle Dole's own anti-Bush line, and tell Dole to "STOP LYING ABOUT MY RECORD!"
I wish - but Kerry can't do that.
It didn't even work for Dole. In fact, some say that helped doom his campaign. Of course, he came on like a house afire.
That was when he had balls, though.
anybody think McCain gets announced as the new VP at the convention? I just can't understand why he's campaining with * after watching that footage.
Bob Dole is a hookworm.
Dole, Dole's on a roll, Dole's in control, Dole, Doley Dole Dole, Dole...
- (fake) Bob Dole on Conan O'Brien, circa 1996
Crazy MoDo on Letterman. How did she ever get a job?
Madison Square Gardens is just huge. It must take hours to get all those loyalty clauses signed.
maybe bush 2000 was right and bob dole is crazy?
"Hello, my name is Bob Dole."
...evil?
Hi,
I'm Bob Dole, and Bob Dole just lost what little credibility and respect that Bob Dole had left.
I have to believe there's some bank of political favors from which Bush keeps drawing, that if there's any justice in the world, will either force him into Chapter 11 around Columbus Day, or just flat-out fucking repossess the furniture, cars, and buildings of this Administration, and kick Bush's ass out into the gutter.
I think W and Rove are known as such vindictive little bastards that no one in the Rethug part dares cross them. It's not so much favors that Bush draws on as fear.
Liddy told Bob he had to trash Kerry or no more little blue pills.
And she won't send the maid in to blow him either.
i mcain fuck they all look alike to me now...
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Lucky Ducky -
I'm under the impression that once you're in with the Kool Kidz, you don't get to leave. That seems to be the modus opperandi with the Repukes.
So Dole did what he did because --
"One day, I might ask a favor of you, and that day may never come..."
That type of thing.
He's making bank or keeping his family alive or something.
psycholinguist ,
I've been thinking that for a long time. I just don't think it is plausible. The Bushs don't work like that and McCain is two much of a real Republican. They are making McCain some promises and then they are going to renig on those promises after he helps Bush in the election.
Bush's smears against McCain were low - dirty, low. It pissed me off to the nth degree, I supported McCain on the Republican side at the time.
I don't know how McCain can act buddy-buddy to a guy that knowingly ran oppo ads and push polls that insinuated that John's daughter was an illegitimate black child. That is hittin far below the belt - she was a kid at the time. She was not involved in the campaign.
I guess this whole fiasco just proves that McCain is either stupid, or really has no scruples at all.
"My name is Bob Dole. Please allow me to reside in your colon and cause severe abdominal cramping."
"Major hats off to the brave CNN employee who made the digital file...don't anyone for a minute think that there an intense effort to discover the culprit by CNN brass.
I wish more of broadcasting's technical ranks would act in a like manner."
I always thought that for anyone close to the news, getting the real story out was the primary focus. But then I was young back then and thought honor, duty and dedication came before the killer paycheck.
Hence I never did understand the concept of "this is off the record right?"
I hope you're right Scott, because McCain as VP would be a nasty ticket for Kerry to run against
Maureen Dowd?
She's godawful on appearances. She looks sounds and depressed out of her mind.
And most of the time, I think her writing is pretty bad. But when she's on - she's hilarious. I'll probably always love her for this
So she almost always strains and misses these days but especially at the time - that was f*cking brilliant.
MoDo on Letterman just called Kerry "Lame"
It's 2000 all over again.
Who the hell was the Republican Congressman nutjob on Maher? Aren't you glad you aren't his constituent?
Oops, some of you are!
"My name is Wolf Blitzer, and welcome to my show, Sen. Dole."
Yesterday, when we were all down and despondent, I posted this:
There is another day. Look at the news. Every day another story comes up; another angle that could be used. The world is in flux. Kerry could run a viscious, ruthless campaign, have everything working for him, and be broadsided with an October surprise. Conversely, Bush could surge ahead in the polls, fail miserably at the debates, and we could have an unassailible landslide.
There's no way to know, and for that reason, a little caution is always in order.
Monica_CA | Email | Homepage | 08.26.04 - 10:52 pm | #
See? Tommorrow IS another day!
And that guy, as I said, whoever he/she is, that got that raw tape of Dole --
A hero.
cosmic grappler .. I think I woke my neighbors laughing out loud.
I keep picturing the Crawford with a secret dungeon filled with grannies and puppies that the Bushies are holding hostage.
How many times have Bush critics flipped within 24-48 hours of dissing Bush? I'm thinking Ben Barnes will renege or he's made of super strong stuff.
Modo on Charlie Rose. It was a lovefest.
The Bushs don't work like that and McCain is two much of a real Republican. They are making McCain some promises and then they are going to renig on those promises after he helps Bush in the election.
Fanetti --
Why continue the McCain lovefest? At this point, he's a proven, battle-hardened slut for GWB. He won't even stand up for his child's sake!
Yes, he IS a true Republican: Everyone better toe the line or else!
MoDo on Letterman just called Kerry "Lame".
Thanks for reminding me why I hate her most of the time.
Dumb ass Mo.
What is she dreaming of? Who's her idea of a White Knight, anyway?
Ugh, don't waste your breath on Bob Dole! Don't watch CNN..or if you do write them and tell them what you think of them hiring him as a commentator.
Lucky,
When the Bushies outted Plame and got all of her contacts whacked in foreign lands, they were saying, "We're not like the mob. You fuck with us and we'll hit your family."
Thugs, every one of them.
I agree that the newly unemplyed CNN editor that snatched the Dole feed is a hero.
I wonder how McCain would work as VP. He is a media darling - for some unknown reason, He is alwo a hypocrite.
If McCain was chosen as the VP, Kery could run the ads of the McCain/Bush debates where McCain said Bush ought to be ashamed of himself. The tagline would read, "Why would McCain support a man that smeared him so badly?"
Besides, a McCain run in 2004 would kill a Jeb run in 2008. You know they want to be the American royal family, and Bush is insanely competitive. I just can't see him sharing the roost with another guy that wants to be the top cock.
Cheney is happy being the evil underbelly to the administration. McCain would not function well in that situation.
And who was that bloated 'roid, on Bill Maher?
Jesus, he makes my dog's farts sound smart.
Dumb as a dead gerbil, that guy.
This a message from Bob to current GOP legislators.
"This is a way games played. Bob Doles tough, doesn't play hardball, plays hand grenades. Loved by comrades, old boys though. Gets commercial contracts when its all done. This one is for keeps this year boys. You'll be asked to do some favors for the team in the next few weeks. Bob Dole learned to do them. You will too"
Remember Sandy Berger a few weeks back. Remember the little show Hastert and other GOP reps put on to express their outrage. Well we are going to see that on the phony scandal of the day that they will try and generate over the next few months.
If any democratic house challenger has an opponent of his participate in any of these upcoming dog and pony shows, get ready to participate in a backlash of "Shock and Awe" dimensions.
If a republican doesn't, make an issue of him not being accountable for the ones in his party that do.
Viagra made me a bigger prick.
"I'm Bob Dole, and I approve this massage."
Anyone else ever noted that Dole has a sort of a Torgo vibe going on?
Just saw a spot for the DNC that I hadn't seen before (it may not be new -- I watch very little TV)...but I thought it was very effective:
broken record
cosmic grappler
No wonder you are a writer. Not the way I would say things, but definitely got the point across.
paging Norm McDonald.....
McCain should realize that in an election between a fake democrat and a real democrat, people will chose the real democrat every time. The BFEE has damaged McCain beyond redemption for most rethugs, and I seriously doubt that he could get their nomination.
Bob Dole bitter?
go figure...
Send that clip of Dole to Olberman -- he'll run it.
He's such a tired old man now, isn't he?
Hey friends – here’s an idea for you. Right now the number 1 seller on Amazon is “Unfit for Command” – the ridiculous anti-Kerry book by the Bush campaign appendix “Swift Boat Veterans for Truth”. One of the authors already confessed he didn’t believe what he wrote.
So. Let’s take advantage. The book Bush was reading when the World Trade Towers were hit on 9/11 was Reading Mastery II: Storybook 2, Rainbow Edition– the one with the Pet Goat story (ASIN # 0026863561). You can copy that number into the Unfit for Command page as a “recommendation INSTEAD OF this book”.
Repeat:
1. Go to http://www.amazon.com/exec/obido...SIN/0895260174/
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2. Scroll down and find the “Other Customer’s Advice” section.
3. Click “Recommend an item”.
4. Paste in this number: 0026863561 and choose the “instead of” option.
5. Check back and watch the number rise. (Check out the funny reviews of this book, while you’re at it. The earliest ones are better than the later ones.)
Let’s leverage the popularity of this listing to remind people who is REALLY unfit for command!
Cosmic Grappler The bush lover was a congressman from California.
Amazon will just change it. I have a frien who is a sys admin there. they regularly scour the popular titles to make sure there are not any "undesireable" elements in the reviews/ratings/recommendations.
Amazon will just change it. I have a frien who is a sys admin there. they regularly scour the popular titles to make sure there are not any "undesireable" elements in the reviews/ratings/recommendations.
Fuck Suellentrop, and fuck Slate too. They're nothing but a bunch of sellout SCLM whores over there. Just because Whore Suellentrop ran one minor expose on Bob Dole doesn't mean he deserves any credit. That isn't good enough to cut it.
Ah well, another day shot to hell. Time for bed boys and girls.
Tomorrow we'll have a new opportunity to defeat Bush and his bastard cronies.
Give money, knock on doors, make calls, drive old ladies to the polls, but do something.
on our doorknocking outings we are finding families with transplanted relatives still with residence in battleground states...urge them to absetee... but you gotta ask?
Let’s take advantage. The book Bush was reading when the World Trade Towers were hit on 9/11 was Reading Mastery II: Storybook 2, Rainbow Edition– the one with the Pet Goat story (ASIN # 0026863561). You can copy that number into the Unfit for Command page as a “recommendation INSTEAD OF this book”.
Done.But the number is only up to 6.C'mon,whats a little pranking anyway if its not fun?
Who the hell was the Republican Congressman nutjob on Maher? Aren't you glad you aren't his constituent?
Dana Rohrbacher
hate to change the subject, but will someone pick up the barnes video as an ad, or will it wither away into priceless obscurity?
It's OK if you're attacking a Democrat!
Apparently, that's "Rohrabacher." My bad.
What a buffoon.
Amazon will not change this one - note this comment, from Amazon posted on this particular book's page:
Important note from Amazon.com: We've decided to suspend our normal customer review policies and rules for this title. For example, we usually prohibit ad hominem attacks. That policy in particular seems to be incompatible with presidential election year politics. Therefore, short of obscenities, reviews on this book are now a free-for-all. We take no responsibility for the following discussion. Aren't presidential election years great? Have fun!
Bush is the one who should be ashamed but he is far from shame, he is desperate and frantic and sees it all hurtling away.
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The guy is a mess, he is just one fugly cootie weasel and all this icky stuff they are doing is just confirming how right we are to think they icky fugly cootie weasel rat weasel icks and that is all.
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All his hoke and paloke don’t mean a hill of beans, he is one cootie weasel rat weasel ick.
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Wolfie is way past shame, he is into desperate too.
.....
All his panting and moaning and panting and moaning and spinny spin spin for nought, tumbled, tumbled down.
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All these panting rethug weasels going to get replaced by sunshiney dudes who don’t make people barf 
.
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All these weirdo rethug heavy breathers, bye bye.
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Bob Dole shoulda known better, Bob Dole shoulda told Bob Dole, hold your horses Bob Dole, this is all gonna be over and you wanna have some integrity left, but Bob Dole hadda go and get involved, well, Bob Dole made Bob Dole tumble, tumble down all the way down.
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OT: who in their right mind makes 40,000 plastic toys about 9/11(from cnn)? Wierd...
sorry my friend its friday dump and distract day... now we will have a useless discussion on spies...
video like this is misunhelpful
hate to change the subject, but will someone pick up the barnes video as an ad, or will it wither away into priceless obscurity?
of course I meant this...
I got Focus disease...
And BTW, I made the mistake of staying on and watching David Letterman when he had the Dowdie chick on, ewwwwww, she is one weirdo lizard, I was not prepared for it whatsoever, the picture in the NYT does not prepare for the weirdo lizard part, she was on CNN and she managed to avoid looking like a weirdo lizard, but this time she was in full lizard mode, ick.
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Eewwwww, she was lizard in physiognomy and lizard in words, ewwwww, I quickly changed the channel but it will take me a while to get over it, sheesh David is supposed to protect us from this kinda stuff, ewwwwww.
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Swift boat liar and Clackamas County assistant DA Al French has been put on 30 day leave after admitting he lied to superiors about having an extramarital affair with a co-worker. http://www.oregonlive.com/news/
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wha? dowd is anything but dowdy. and she did a great jog on letterman. very clever that she calls kerry "lame" (a columnist's duty) and then outlines all the ways in which he is superior to Chimpy McCokespoon.
Dana Rohrabacher?
I've never been able to stand that guy. He gives new meaning to the word "smarmy".
On the other hand - he crushed the nutball Rob Dornan in the primary.
For the unfortunate people who know who that is - here's some humor, perhaps. I heard he was on Hannity tonight, claiming he had some kind of tape of Kerry in Vietnam, burning down villages.
The same Dornan who accused Rohrabacher of being a terrorist tool and homosexual. Pity they weren't on the same show.
Dude, use an HTML anchor tag or tinyurl. That way you don't freak Holoscan.
mja--Relax. You just need a good, fun game of "Wack the Iraq"!
Ugh.
BOB Dornan. I can't see my own typing.
Classic nutjob. He makes Alan Keyes look like a stack of sanity.
...Dole was blinking so fast... I'm sure that indicates something. Like he's bluffing with only a pair.
MoDo. You love her. You hate her. Can live without her. Probably like most partisans on either side, I like her half the time. In listening to her a few times over the last few weeks, I kind of get a sense of what she is shooting for. A non-wonk view of the psychology and image of the candidates. Don't know if the world has been crying out for a more nuanced non-substantive view of politicians over the last 20 years but Mo wants to claim that as her turf. She's usually has more the depth of a Heather than a Margaret Mead. And you have to admit, a Heather can be amusing if they focus on a target that deserves it.
Darryl--With all the Viagra associations, I really must ask that we not make any allusions to Dole's "pair."
Thank you.
Bob Dornan... ah, a wingnut's wingnut, a goon's goon.
Featured as the rather nauseating romantic lead in a movie featured on Mystery Science Theater.
So, let me get this straight.
Bush exaggerating purposely to bring the US into an unnecessary war that kills 1000 Americans and wounds 7000 so far, is forgivable and understandable.
But John Kerry exaggerating some in his testimony about atrocities 33 years ago as he was attempting to end an
unnecessary war and save 10,000 Americans from dying is unforgivable
and uncomprehendable.
i mcain fuck they all look alike to me now...
focus
Haaaaaaaa
Couldn't av said it better.
Rorschach--
Yer right. Especially if he comments, "And I'll raise you..."
Anyone else ever noted that Dole has a sort of a Torgo vibe going on?
"Oh, great. He went to the Torgo school of groping."
Me: I hope the repukes enloy their convention, cause...
Her: Oh, The times they are a changin'
Everybody sing, come on, you over there SING!!
Darryl--
Ach! My eyes! They burn from reading your words!
Apparently, that's "Rohrabacher." My bad.
More accurately, that's "friend of the Taliban."
I sort of wish Dornan had made it back to Congress so people like Keith Olbermann could feature him nightly.
His background reads like something from the Onion - if they took acid.
And still the Hannitized right loves him.
Some info on Rohrabacher's Taliban connections.
"wha? dowd is anything but dowdy. and she did a great jog on letterman. very clever that she calls kerry "lame" (a columnist's duty) and then outlines all the ways in which he is superior to Chimpy McCokespoon."
Nothing clever about her. She mindlessly repeats the same old tired "wisdom" ad nauseum. On Charlie Rose she was lamenting that we couldn't ever have a presidential candidate like McCain. So Kerry is "lame" for not getting pissed off enough for her liking, but McCain, who will spend the remainder of this campaign sucking Bush's cock, is still referred to as though he has something resembling character.
She's a whore, like the rest . . .
Hmm, Bush was looking forward to a "spirited" campaign?
For a guy who took ten years to quit drinking after pleading guilty to drunk driving, I say we send spirits to the white house.
The times they are a changin'...
Funny - I was just thinking of that song. My favorite part --
"The line it is drawn
The curse it is cast
The slow one now
Will later be fast
As the present now
Will later be past
The order is
Rapidly fadin'.
And the first one now
Will later be last
For the times they are a-changin'.
"
Yes...!
Bob Dornan His wife called police to their house several times and said Bob beat her. He got out of it every time. Of course she drank but no wonder! B-1 Bob also grabbed or hit 4 or more of his fellow reps! WTF What's up with that mention on "War and Piece" about learning Iranian Card Games! WTF Everybody elses name has come up tonight so might as well throw out RICHARD SECORD.
I am so sad over DOLE BETRAYING Kerry like this...and then off camera showing his true colors. Isn't it time we stopped slimming vets for God's sake?
But then I ask myself, if Dole had to be in the line of fire again and he had the choice of George Bush or John Kerry
helping him survive, who would he pick? Who would anybody pick?
A man who fights for our country or a man who attacks the fighter while eating a pretzel and passing out?
Let's get fucking real.
For people feeling bad about Dole, here's something sure to make you feel better. I caught this - Buchanan was in full rant and Matthews hit him with the bit about O'Neill and Cambodia. He looked a guppie that just landed on the shag rug.
MATTHEWS: Pat, I don‘t know why you‘re picking this point. Does it matter whether it is Christmas or Groundhog‘s Day? What difference does it make if he was in Cambodia?
BUCHANAN: All right, I‘ll agree with you. Well, look, because it is a very—Look, if Kerry says it wasn‘t Christmas, actually, it was New Year‘s Eve that I was in there taking fire, no commander agrees with him. None of the men on his boat agree with him. Everybody says it is an impossibility. Kerry is the only guy that says he was in Cambodia now. Even his campaign said he wasn‘t there.
MATTHEWS: No, John O‘Neill says he was there. John O‘Neill told Richard Nixon, your old boss, he was there. Why would he lie to Nixon?
BUCHANAN: But, look, look, look, I don‘t know what that is all about.
But very honestly, Chris
(CROSSTALK)
MATTHEWS: Well, it is about this exact thing we‘re talking about, two
Navy guys
(CROSSTALK)
BUCHANAN: You seem to be going after...
MATTHEWS: No, I‘m just trying to explain...
BUCHANAN: Chris, whether or not John O‘Neill was on the border in Cambodia is irrelevant. Was John Kerry there under fire when his commanders were lying about him being there?
MATTHEWS: OK.
BUCHANAN: He has used that story again and again and again to describe why he changed his life.
MATTHEWS: Well, it may turn out to be true, Pat.
Two points. Here‘s my point in the line of questioning. I‘ve said it tonight. The two chief accusers are John O‘Neill, who has written a book, “Unfit For Duty” or whatever it is. And the other guy who has come out of nowhere, Larry Thurlow, who said there was no gunshots at the time he did what he did.
Now we find out there is a new battlefield report saying that Thurlow was under gunfire, that he is wrong in his testimony, at least contradictory with the reports.
(CROSSTALK)
MATTHEWS: And we now find out that the other chief accuser, the other chief accuser also was in Cambodia. And he was the guy telling us that Kerry was a liar.
(CROSSTALK)
MATTHEWS: It seems to me the two chief accusers are nailed right now today. It is a bad day in Black Rock for the accusers.
(CROSSTALK)
MATTHEWS: We‘re coming back with Pat.
Do you have any more to say?
(CROSSTALK)
BUCHANAN: Chris, I don‘t think so.
(LAUGHTER)
Dole has always been a Republicans attack dog, but he used to bite the hand that fed him, too.
My favorite Dole hand-biting was when he was commenting on Carter, Ford and Nixon in an Ex-Prez photo-op, and he said, "There they are, See no evil, hear no evil and ... Evil."
I mean, that's CLASSIC.
Jimmy Breslin is a National Treasure!
"The names of the dead in Iraq over the weekend have not been released yet, except for Army Pfc. Kevin A. Cuming, 22, of White Plains. And so you sat yesterday with all these Department of Defense death notices for the last weeks covering the desk and you glanced at them, with the ages of the dead reaching up from the paper to grab your throat. Now and then you called one of their homes to get a small idea of what they were like when they lived, and what we have lost in a war that now pleases only the mentally unbalanced.
Printing as many names and as often as possible is a gloomy task. These are the deaths that the president and his people try to sneak past the country. The dead were brave men. The president is craven. He buries the war, and the news reporters, indolent and in fear of authority, follow like cattle going into pens. For so long, the public believed the news it was given. Saddam Hussein was going to blow us up with an atom bomb! The Muslims of Iraq love us!"
""My son was a beautiful young man. Everybody speaks about his smile. He had such a beautiful smile. My husband's smile. I say to my husband, 'Could you please smile so I can see my son's face?'""
Look, Dole was one of the Senators who voted for the Gulf Of Tonkin resolution back in 1965 which started the whole Vietnam war. Attacking Kerry is the only way this quasi senile hatchetman has to be able to live with himself for sending 58,000 soldiers to their graves for a mistake. It must be nice to have a lead heart and no conscience. How he sleeps at night is beyond me.
And you have to admit, a Heather can be amusing if they focus on a target that deserves it.
HL Mungo
Except that I have the feeling that MoDo believes that anybody to the left of McCain always deserves it.
Has anybody ever seen her unreservedly praise a Democrat? I sure haven't.
OT: Atrios can finally listen to Air America on the radio in Philly. 1340 WHAT will air Franken and Rhodes from Noon to 7. (link)
So Wolf Blitzer's hard hitting style of reporting entails letting known lies go unchallenged while the truth stays "off the record"? Dole is just a doddering old fool, Wolf and his ilk should be hung by their toes.
Look, Dole was one of the Senators who voted for the Gulf Of Tonkin resolution back in 1965 which started the whole Vietnam war.
Except that Dole was still in the House in August of 1964 when the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution was voted on.
Breslin is indeed a treasure. Thank you.
Even only we were lucky enough to have more like him.
Paul Hamm needs to give back his gold medal. He was not the real winner. If Paul Hamm keeps that gold medal he's no better than a thief.
Wile - But does she unreservedly praise anybody? I guess on air she has been praising McCain but if she ever did in a column its been crowded out by her lame cocktail party psychology crap merging with her Heather bitchiness over the years. Funny when she calls Bush On the daddy issue though.
She did say something interesting on NPR a few weeks back regarding her competition in the blogosphere and cable talk. She wanted to do a Heather column equating the image of Kerry in the strange suit coming out of the spacecraft with Woody Allen in Sleeper. She now Googles things like this and found that Matthews had said it on Hardball and bloggers had used it independently.
Everybody wants to get in the act. And what did Durante do anyway that was so friggin important.
Meanwhile, the giggling frog-blaster with a fire-cracker up a toad's ass didn't serve--ran, ducked and hid from the shit. Fucking puss.
what any normal person would do at that age. You call home. You call home to mother and father and say, "I'd like to get into the National Guard."
-- Senator Dan Quayle, 8/19/88 (reported in Esquire, 8/92)
That isn't what most people did, by the way, so perhaps dapper Dan wasn't quite that "normal", being a child of privilege.
Oregon SBV placed on Leave...
This is just too rich!
OREGON CITY, ORE. - Clackamas County prosecutor Al French, the Vietnam veteran who called John Kerry a liar in a political ad and then admitted he had never witnessed Kerry in combat, is in hot water again.
Now, The Oregonian reports that he has been put on a 30-day paid leave because he may have lied about a long-ago extramarital affair with a secretary.
Now, The Oregonian reports that he has been put on a 30-day paid leave because he may have lied about a long-ago extramarital affair with a secretary.
Simp
Oh what a tangled web we weave....
Stop your grinning and drop your linens.
Anti-Kerry filmmaker once submitted his "critic-silencing" book on Moon to the Unification Church -- which revised it to best please the church
Check it out.
I'm sorry about that. Here's the way a link should be.
Totally OT: But for some reason, I thought Friday, which was yesterday, was Thursday, even though my dumb ass was posting away this afternoon on the Friday Cat Blogging thread. Then I fell asleep and got a lot of rest and then the phone rings. It was my boss. He asked, "Are you coming into work today?" I had totally blown off work and everything.
Sometimes I crack myself up.
Thought I'd share this open letter from Michael Moore to GWB (from Salon.com) entitled:
"It takes real courage to desert your post and then attack a wounded vet - An open letter from Michael Moore to President George W. Bush.
August 26, 2004
Dear Mr. Bush,
I know you and I have had our differences in the past, and I realize I am the one who started this whole mess about "who did what" during Vietnam when I brought up that "deserter" nonsense back in January. But I have to hand it to you on what you have uncovered about John Kerry and his record in Vietnam. Kerry has tried to pass himself off as a war hero, but thanks to you and your friends, we now know the truth.
First of all, thank you for pointing out to all of us that Mr. Kerry was never struck by a BULLET. It was only SHRAPNEL that entered his body! I did not know that! Hell, what's the big deal about a bunch of large, sharp, metal shards ripping open your flesh? That happens to all of us! In my opinion, if you want a Purple Heart, you'd better be hit by a bullet -- with your name on it!
Secondly, thank you for sending Bob Dole out there and letting us know that Mr. Kerry, though wounded three times, actually "never spilled blood." When you are in the debates with Kerry, turn to him and say, "Dammit, Mr. Kerry, next time you want a Purple Heart, you better spill some American red blood! And I don't mean a few specks like those on O.J.'s socks -- we want to see a good pint or two of blood for each medal. In fact, I would have preferred that you had bled profusely, a big geyser of blood spewing out of your neck or something!" Then throw this one at him: "Senator Kerry, over 58,000 brave Americans gave their lives in Vietnam -- but YOU didn't. You only got WOUNDED! What do you have to say for yourself???" Lay that one on him and he won't know what to do.
And thanks, also, Mr. Bush, for exposing the fact that Mr. Kerry might have actually WOUNDED HIMSELF in order to get those shiny medals. Of course he did! How could the Viet Cong have hit him -- he was on a SWIFT boat! He was going too fast to be hit by enemy fire. He tried to blow himself up three different times just so he could go home and run for president someday. It's all so easy to see, now, what he was up to.
What would we do without you, Mr. Bush? Criticize you as we might, when it comes to pointing out other men's military records, there is no one who can touch your prowess. In 2000, you let out the rumor that your opponent John McCain might be "nuts" from the five years he spent in a POW camp. Then, in the 2002 elections, your team compared triple-amputee Sen. Max Cleland to Osama bin Laden, and that cost him the election. And now you are having the same impact on war hero John Kerry. Since you (oops, I mean "The Swift Boat Veterans for Truth!") started running those ads, Kerry's poll numbers have dropped (with veterans, he has lost 18 points in the last few weeks).
Some
I just flipped on 'Scarborough country'. They are talking about SBVT. There is a headline at the bottom of the screen that says 'Navy: Records contradict Kerry'.
Michael Moore letter cont'd:
"Some people have said, "Who are you, Mr. Bush, to attack these brave men considering you yourself have never seen combat -- in fact, you actively sought to avoid it." What your critics fail to understand is that even though your dad got you into a unit that would never be sent to Vietnam -- and even though you didn't show up for Guard duty for at least a year -- at least you were still IN FAVOR of the Vietnam War! Cowards like Clinton felt it was more important to be consistent (he opposed the war, thus he refused to go) than to be patriotic and two-faced.
The reason that I think you know so much about other men's war wounds is because, during your time in the Texas Air National Guard, you suffered so many of them yourself. Consider the paper cut you received on Sept. 22,1972, while stationed in Alabama, working on a Senate campaign for your dad's friend (when you were supposed to be on the Guard base). A campaign brochure appeared from nowhere, ambushing your right index finger, and blood trickled out onto your brand new argyle sweater.
Then there was the incident with the Crazy Glue when your fraternity brothers visited you one weekend at the base and glued your lips together while you were "passed out." Though initially considered "friendly fire," it was later ruled that you suffered severe post-traumatic stress disorder from the assault and required certain medicinal attention -- which, it seems, was provided by those same fraternity brethren.
But nothing matched your heroism when, on July 2, 1969, you sustained a massive head injury when enemy combatants from another Guard unit dropped a keg of Coors on your head during a reconnaissance mission at a nearby all-girls college. Fortunately, the cool, smooth fluids that poured out of the keg were exactly what was needed to revive you.
That you never got a Purple Heart for any of these incidents is a shame. I can fully appreciate your anger at Senator Kerry for the three he received. I mean, Kerry was a man of privilege, he could have gotten out just like you. Instead, he thinks he's going to gain points with the American people bragging about how he was getting shot at every day in the Mekong Delta. Ha! Is that the best he can do? Hell, I hear gunfire every night outside my apartment window! If he thinks he is going to impress anyone with the fact that he volunteered to go when he could have spent the Vietnam years on the family yacht, he should think again. That only shows how stupid he was! True-blue Americans want a president who knows how to pull strings and work the system and get away with doing as little work as possible!
So, to make it up to you, I have written some new ads you can use on TV. People will soon tire of the Swift Boat Veterans and you are going to need some fresh, punchier material. Feel free to use any of these:
ANNOUNCER: "When the bullets were flying all around him in Vietnam, what did John Kerry do
The rest of the MM letter:
ANNOUNCER: "When the bullets were flying all around him in Vietnam, what did John Kerry do? He said he leaned over the boat and 'pulled a man out of the river.' But, as we all know, men don't live in the river -- fish do. John Kerry knows how to tell a big fish tale. What he won't tell you is that when the enemy was shooting at him, he ducked. Do you want a president who will duck? Vote Bush."
ANNOUNCER: "Mr. Kerry's biggest supporter, Sen. Max Cleland, claims to have lost two legs and an arm in Vietnam. But he still has one arm! How did that happen? One word: Cowardice. When duty called, he was unwilling to give his last limb. Is that the type of selfishness you want hanging out in the White House? We think not. Vote for the man who would be willing to give America his right frontal lobe. Vote Bush."
Hope these help, Mr. Bush. And remember, when the American death toll in Iraq hits 1,000 during the Republican Convention, be sure to question whether those who died really did indeed "die" -- or were they just trying to get their faces on CNN's nightly tribute to fallen heroes? The 16 who've died so far this week were probably working hand in hand with the Kerry campaign to ruin your good time in New York. Stay consistent, sir, and always, ALWAYS question the veracity of anyone who risks their life for this country. It's the least they deserve.
Yours,
Michael Moore
mmflint@aol.com
www.michaelmoore.com
P.S. George, I know you said you don't read the newspaper, but USA Today has given me credentials to the Republican Convention to write a guest column each day next week (Tuesday to Friday). If you don't want to read it, you and I will be in the same building so maybe I could come by and read it to you? Lemme know ...
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Colin Powell will not be going to Athens, Greece afterall. Protests scared him away!
By the way we did catch 10 taliban today, But the mole story blew it out of the headlines. Yeah! Yeah!
P.S. George, I know you said you don't read the newspaper, but USA Today has given me credentials to the Republican Convention to write a guest column each day next week (Tuesday to Friday). If you don't want to read it, you and I will be in the same building so maybe I could come by and read it to you? Lemme know ...
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Jenny from the Blog
Thank Fate for Moore and others or I would be bat-shit crazy by now. Thanks for that post.
what any normal person would do at that age. You call home. You call home to mother and father and say, "I'd like to get into the National Guard."
-- Senator Dan Quayle, 8/19/88 (reported in Esquire, 8/92)
That isn't what most people did, by the way, so perhaps dapper Dan wasn't quite that "normal", being a child of privilege.
No, it isn't. 18 in 1968, I got the number 19 in the draft lottery. I was fucked, but I got a college deferment. Then I went from a 4 year to a 2 year type of school and soon after, I got THE LETTER. I wasn’t properly furthering my education efforts. I was about to be drafted. But I got a 4F because of high blood pressure, which I had no idea I had. (So thanks for that heads up anyway). I have met so many guys my age that are so totally fucked up because of what happened to them, AND what they did in Viet Nam. I mean, I feel guilty that I lucked out, but one Vet told me, don’t ever think like that.
The idea that the privileged, just think it’s their right, or a matter of course, to be able to dodge this kind of thing disgusts me.
Bush is one of those.
Privileged little fucking bitch
I don't know who is the bigger tool here. Blitzer or Dole.
That should have been followed up by Blitzer. Dole's on the fucking record!
And Dole should be so ashamed of himself. Why is he still carrying water for the Bush with his only good arm? The fucked him over but good in 1988.
Where's the responsible journalism?
Where's the sense of decency?
Didn't you love how CNN wanted to slap the "surrogate" label on Michael Moore this afternoon. What a bunch of assholes they are!
If I could have reached throught the TV and throttled Judy Woodruf, I would have.
Man, that is one ignorant bitch!
mushmouthed bob dole should take his carpetbagger wife for a viagra powered twirl on his hook. woof blister, well i've got an anatomically impossible suggestion for him. joe scare-borough, whom cares? general judy or candy crowley, whom cares?
On the McLaughlin Group tonight, the shills were practically tripping over themselves saying how badly all this SBV stuff was hurting Kerry. Eleanor Clift must have had her Geritol today, b/c she was fighting back vigorously, and noting how desperate they must be to pull old hatchet man Dole out of retirement for this kind of flat out crap. The oddest part was hearing McLaughlin himself counter every piece of crap out of Tony Blankley's and Pat Buchanan's mouths. In fact, he wasn't even letting them finishing spewing. Then he declared the whole thing inconsequential (impact level 2 out of possible 10).
The weirdest part was his prediction: Karl Rove disappears from the scene in the next 4-6 weeks and piles of WMDs suddenly appear in Iraq in mid-October. Bye-bye!
agave--And what disgusts me is the thought that the men and women sent over to Iraq this time will have to live with what they've seen and done for the next several decades. Bush has killed so many, and ruined so many lives. Both American and Iraqi.
rorschach,
And for what, so Bush could make everybody think his little dick is big.
Or he was to stupid the see what the neocons were about.
Jesuus fucking god!
And more thing that infuriates me about this invasion that isn't being mentioned nearly as much as it should be:
Depleted uranium is the new Agent Orange.
A bit of testimony from a Gulf War I vet:
Q: You mention machine guns. What can you tell me about cluster bombs, or depleted uranium?
A: Depleted uranium. I know what it does. It's basically like leaving plutonium rods around. I'm 32 years old. I have 80 percent of my lung capacity. I ache all the time. I don't feel like a healthy 32-year-old.
Q: Were you in the vicinity of of depleted uranium?
A: Oh, yeah. It's everywhere. DU is everywhere on the battlefield. If you hit a tank, there's dust.
Q: Did you breath any dust?
A: Yeah.
Q: And if DU is affecting you or our troops, it's impacting Iraqi civilians.
A: Oh, yeah. They got a big wasteland problem.
Q: Do Marines have any precautions about dealing with DU?
A: Not that I know of. Well, if a tank gets hit, crews are detained for a little while to make sure there are no signs or symptoms. American tanks have depleted uranium on the sides, and the projectiles have DU in them. If an enemy vehicle gets hit, the area gets contaminated. Dead rounds are in the ground. The civilian populace is just now starting to learn about it. Hell, I didn't even know about DU until two years ago. You know how I found out about it? I read an article in Rolling Stone magazine. I just started inquiring about it, and I said "Holy s---!"
The weirdest part was his prediction: Karl Rove disappears from the scene in the next 4-6 weeks and piles of WMDs suddenly appear in Iraq in mid-October. Bye-bye!
JeffCO
Yeah, the logistics of planting weapons there would be huge and many would know about it. Even so, it could be done shortly before the election before the truth had time to surface with people later coming forward about it. Hey, I don't put any fucking thing past those things, anymore.
I can't take this shit anymore.
Incog--You keep on saying that, yet here you are. You survive.
in a parallel universe where no one suggests anything untoward, the poor hapless kidnapped media quislings are being beheaded for the sake of better ratings. antifreeze muffins remain available to any mouthbreathing tool dumb enough to eat one.
be careful of what you wish for. there but for fortune go you or i. bring the war home? there's no way to delay that trouble comin' every day.
praise the lord and pass the mescaline.
Depleted Uranium
In military applications, when alloyed, Depleted Uranium [DU] is ideal for use in armor penetrators. These solid metal projectiles have the speed, mass and physical properties to perform exceptionally well against armored targets. DU provides a substantial performance advantage, well above other competing materials. This allows DU penetrators to defeat an armored target at a significantly greater distance. Also, DU's density and physical properties make it ideal for use as armor plate. DU has been used in weapon systems for many years in both applications.
Depleted uranium results from the enriching of natural uranium for use in nuclear reactors. Natural uranium is a slightly radioactive metal that is present in most rocks and soils as well as in many rivers and sea water. Natural uranium consists primarily of a mixture of two isotopes (forms) of uranium, Uranium-235 (U235) and Uranium-238 (U23
, in the proportion of about 0.7 and 99.3 percent, respectively. Nuclear reactors require U235 to produce energy, therefore, the natural uranium has to be enriched to obtain the isotope U235 by removing a large part of the U238. Uranium-238 becomes DU, which is 0.7 times as radioactive as natural uranium. Since DU has a half-life of 4.5 billion years, there is very little decay of those DU materials.
Don't really know, but it looks like bad stuff. My igornant impression was that it was depleted, so some what safe. So we are exposing our guys and the other guys to ...........
agave--No. Definitely not safe, by any stretch. It still is poison, and long-lasting poison at that. The Iraqis will be living in a toxic environment for a long time thanks to us (and that's even after they rebuild the water purification plants smashed up during the invasion).
Again, we are creating a mass of physically and psychologically poisoned people with this war. And for what?
Goddamn it.
My problem with MoDo is that she seems to feel that she possesses some sort of deep insights into the souls of others. She is one of those annoying writers who spends way too much time trying to tell the reader exactly what the subjects of her columns actually think and feel, of which she can of course have no firsthand knowledge. Often, the thoughts and motives she ascribes to others seem to have very little to do with what those individuals actually feel. Dowd doesn't just put words in peoples' mouths, she tries put her own versions of their thoughts into their heads, all to push whatever theme she wants to advance about theme.
Dowd's column about Starr was amusing, but it showed her typical MO: Write a whole piece as if she's managed to get inside someone else's head, ascribe to him/her the worst, most selfish impulses, and sell it as fact. This is a particularly devastating but totally disengenuous technique.
Incog--You keep on saying that, yet here you are. You survive.
rorschach
I'm just worried about my sanity these days with what's going on. My mom went bat-shit crazy and had to be institutionalized several times in her 30s, too. And I'm just like her. She's cool now but totally nuts. The shit these days is too fucking much and I'm fucking up things like today when I just didn't even go into work. I never do shit like that. I'm worried about it.
Incognito
I am catching the tail of the thread here so I may be out of sync, nothing new, but ...
What would happen if the bozos really tried an October Surprise such as WMD.
Their ability to really keep truths hidden are pretty damn bad. They might win the election, but even the talking heads would have to deal with it. Or if they are some part of a grand conspiracy, the facts would still leak. I do not think I would want to be the perpetrator of the event, be sitting in office and then face the people when confronted with the biggest double switch in political history. Matter of fact politics or not, the only thing I can think of that would be par with that would be the D-Day ploys to mislead the Germans. People may be slow to the truth, but once it made itself known, the country would eat this president alive.
mr. wu's pigs'
parallel universe.
Yes, but what about coverging universes?
Incog--Take good care of yourself, my friend. If you think there's an incipient problem, get some therapy quick. Sooner is better than later, no doubt about it.
And I totally empathize about feeling the weight of the world as far too great these days. Bad enough to have to hold a normal life together with job and house and family and all that, we have to add a gov't that is in your words, more "bat-shit crazy" than any of us? It's like a nightmare. But it'll end.
In the mean time: keep your powder dry. And your martinis drier.
People may be slow to the truth, but once it made itself known, the country would eat this president alive.
I don't have that much faith in my fellow citizens.
I think at least half of them are dumb as rocks. Or dumber.
fourlegsgood--I prefer to interpret Americans' reluctance to eat this president alive as a postive thing; they recognize the symptoms of Creutzfeld-Jacob syndrome and choose to avoid it.
Incognito:
Not my place to say, but that's never really stopped me: The best way to keep from going totally nuts in situations like this is to hook up with other folks who are also trying like hell to keep from going nuts (like us here), but also to get out there and work against the evil in a productive way, also with other people in your boat.
Go do some GOTV work, or go work for a campaign that needs help, or, shit, just work on convincing at least two people you work with to not listen to cable-network news.
To summarize: 1) hang w/like-minded people, 2) take positive action.
It really, really, really will keep you sane, and let's face it, there's enough nutjobs around these days. We all need you sane.
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The oddest part was hearing McLaughlin himself counter every piece of crap out of Tony Blankley's and Pat Buchanan's mouths.
Haven't seen it in years, but saw it last night. What about noted chickenhawk Pat Buchanan's "prediction" that there's more in store from the Republican Press over other of Kerry's medals? He brought up that Admiral Evan Thomas drove to suicide.
Isn't it wonderful how all these chickenhawks can call Kerry on the extent to his shrapnel entitles him to medals but it's off limits to try to fill in Flight Suit Georgie's service record?
The search for the integrity of our press is another area with even bigger gaps to find.
Kerry, if you win, cut out the DC press, all of them. Go to the press outside of DC, you've got some chance of finding more than two who aren't Republican property.
Media Whore Hair Color Report:
Retro- 70s "Harvest Gold" hair dye seems to have largly replaced 90s
"Scaife Skank Faux Platinum" as the color of choice for our TV robo-blonds. Perhaps it is believed to hide the tell tale thinning of later middle age or perhaps it is part of an attempt to revive the Nixon era. Whatever it signals it can't be a good sign when our "most trusted news source" is peopled with women who seem to be emulating Alex's mother in "A Clockwork Orange" (if memory serves right).
Prediction: Now released from the last shred of pretense of reality, they'll go even farther into the wonderful world of coal tar chemistry before people notice the brain deadening properties of the junk.
"Stop your grinnin' and drop your linen."
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"The Spirit Machine of Death"
a Moonie/UPI Production
I'm telling you, reading Gorenfeld is a bit like reading a Fu Manchu novel, only without the mutant spiders, mold spores and thuggee stranglers.
"I fear we shall see much stranger than this before our struggle is over." snapped Gorenfeld.
fourlegsgood
My view is this country has been subject to a long and intense program of propoganda with misinformation and dogma. It is pretty obvious either by greed or collusion, the main media has facilitated same. Folks are not dumb, but indoctrinated at this point. I come here to participate in my simplistic way and associate with people who see the same things I do. It makes me feel better in this time of incredible distress. But one thing that is slowly dawning on me is the number of people who access to this form of information is limited. It has advanced in huge leaps, but the average joe still watches CNN, catches sports on the local news and paper and that is about that. So what we know and see is going to take a lot longer to make it to average joe. Once it seeps out, I think you will find that people are not realy dumb, apathetic at this point yes, irresponsible at this point yes, but not dumb. Basically the fight should continue even if this administration is re-seated. The game is not done simply because the election is over. Nixon found that out.
Sorry on the typos again. I wonder if it is an age thing. I keep dropping words as I write and despite review I don't catch them until too late.
And if the DU post above isn't enough to freak everyone out and convince you that we are under the sway of malignant entities, how's about this?
Folks in New Jersey are playing a game called "Wack the Iraq." And some companies just had to pull candy off the shelf because it contained a "toy" representing a plane flying into the WTC.
Lovely world, yes?
Incognito
Both my girl friend and my uncle have been in mental hospitals. They are just fine now, but went thru some hard times. My girl friend, well I won't go into that, but my uncle sounds allot like you. He had a hard time dealing with the bullshit that is this world.
Look, I find this political shit exciting, but it does hurt sometimes. Take a break, do something you like to do. The fucking world will do what it does, and we can only find our little safe place, some times, whatever it might be. Relax, retreat, and gather your energy. Come back when you’re ready. Most of all, take care of yourself
New York daily News: Besides Mole, two other committee members are also involved, FBI says they have solid evidence including wiretaps, surveillance and photographs.
Mom is totally nuts but she's still mom, ya know?
Hello, Mom are always MOM!
Yeah, my Mom was schizoid & bipolar, but she did the best she could when she wasn't locked up. The good news is that the newer psych drugs aren't nearly as physicaloly destructive as the ones she was on the the 60's & 70's. They finally did her in.
When I call her on the phone now, she acts like it's her doorbell and has to put the phone down to check the door.
Bi-polar is tough, My girlfriend has it and it took a couple of adjustments of meds before she felt better.
Incognito,
yeah,
weird, but my mom is here visiting us right now. My dad died just less than a year ago, and it's kind of hard but also so nice. My Mom is wacked, twice she has lately hit the gas instead of the brake. she almost ran my sisters son down. But yut da hay?!
This must be tough on you Incognito
Agave, sorry but sometimes when we start losing it, it seems funny, couldn't help it but I'm laughing.
I tried to sleep earlier, but I couldn't, this political stuff is got me all hyped up.
I can't take this shit anymore.
Incognito
The best way to cope is to stop taking it and start throwing it back at them. Don't go down without a fight.
Read the biographies of the greats Mandela prominent among these. What we've got to deal with is pretty mild compared to how most of them had it. Make the history of the struggle against established privelege your advice column. It's helped me a lot.
That's one thing I respect about lots of the Texas liberals. They seem to really have a feel for history that goes beyond a textbook.
The Buddhists have a particularly well thought out set of meditation practices, one of which might help too.
This must be tough on you Incognito
meme
Not really. After my dad died, she remarried and the old guy she's with now loves her and takes care of her. The rest of my family hates him, ya know, but he takes care of her and keeps her from hurting herself. Really, all I have to do is see her as much as possible and tell her I love her. That's all she wants and I mean it.
I'm not sure if it is anger or relief
I want everyone, including the repubs to know how bad America has gone down the tubes with this administration and that even if Kerry gets voted in (he will) it will take a long time to fix the damage done.
Yeah, laughing at it's actually a pretty good way of coping with it too. Plus it's got the added bonus of encouraging others around you to laugh too, which is pretty powerful.
Does she live close by?
Ain't that the truth.
Fire Wolf. Through your cable box out your window, call up the boss and tell him to shove it. If people don't start hurting the cable lords, nothing will change.
Spend as much time with her as you can while you can, bro. It'll mean a lot to you later.
Incognito
How does hitler tie his shoes?
Knotsies
Lame?
Okay I'm getting tired
yeah, me too. Thanks for letting me play, guys.
'night
I thought I could get you to laugh, because you need a really good laugh.
Okay picture this Bush stands on stage at Madison Square Garden and his secret service tells him, "Sir there is an emergency Madison Square Garden is under attack" and bush stops his speech and has that deer in the headlights look and says " I didn't know Wisconsin had a square garden.
And with this I bid you a good Day!
Incognito,
OK, get a grip.
I would think you're drinking, but you're not typing like that.
Dude, your Mom is her own person, just like you are. YOU are not responsible for her, fuckin A, she's you're mom.
Take care of her as best you can, but don't ever think that you have done any thing wrong
Incognito, the faux fag. 'I'm really worried and disturbed, someone please give me some attention.'
Agave, sorry but sometimes when we start losing it, it seems funny, couldn't help it but I'm laughing.
meme
If it's the last thing tonight i'm going to respond to you. oh. wait ........ gotta feed da cat...... be right back..............................................
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What's so funny about peace, love and understanding?
Take care of her as best you can, but don't ever think that you have done any thing wrong
agave
I do. But she gets around pretty well. She insisted that we come over on July 4th and she's into the barbecue thing now. Dad used to do that. It was at night and she ran outside in the country and got sprayed by a skunk. Of course my evil twin sister was a no-show--too busy fliting around on the lake in her new boat. But I showed. Come to find out, Mom didn't tell me there was skunk-juice on the baby-back ribs and she had laid in the bathtub with tomato juice.
This is my family.
Just felt like fucking up haloscan, did we?
And guess who this war has made the most powerful man in Iraq? Our man Allawi? Not so much.
What's so funny about peace, love and understanding
Elvis Costello, no?
This Years Model, my fav.
Hand in in hand,
gonna go down,
you're gonna come with me,
Watch out for the bullet boys
they'll rearange your face, cock sucker
So, do tell, why did you choose to break haloscan, agave?
I would have said Freude, Frieden und Freiheit (joy, peace and freedom).
But, really, all you need is love.
That's Liebe to you, schade (or is it boese?) Jim...
Jesus Christmas!
I think this sets a record
for a fucked-up Haloscan.
And I'm on an 20" Apple
Cinema Display at
1680x1050.
What's this bird agave's
beef anyway?
.
Wapo:
WASHINGTON - U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell canceled plans to attend the Olympics closing ceremonies in Greece because of the "press of business" including crises in Iraq and Sudan, U.S. officials said Saturday.
The decision was unrelated to anti-U.S. protests by about 1,000 people in Athens Friday that were broken up when police hurled tear gas at demonstrators headed toward the U.S. Embassy, said U.S. State Department spokesman Kurtis Cooper.
Greek activists hoisted a massive banner saying "Powell Killer Go Home" on the Acropolis hillside towering over Athens Saturday protesting against his planned 24-hour visit to attend Sunday's closing ceremonies.
"Secretary of State Colin Powell informed Greek Foreign Minister Petros Molyviatis that due to the press of business in Washington the secretary would not be able to travel to Athens to attend the closing ceremonies of the Olympic Games," State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said in a statement.
Asked what would keep Powell in Washington, Cooper said: "Among other things, there is much going on in Iraq, especially in Najaf, and in Sudan that requires the secretary close attention."
see Juan Cole i am not smart enuf to know the legitimacy of his argument, but certainly provides some valuable context.
If I had been in power on September 11, I'd have called up Sharon and told him he was just going to have to withdraw to 1967 borders, ore face the full fury of the United States. Israel would be much better off inside those borders, anyway. It can't absorb 3 million Palestinians and retain its character, and it can't continue to hold 3 million Palestinians as stateless hostages without making itself inhumane and therefore un-Jewish. And then I'd have thrown everything the US had at al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, and frog-marched Bin Laden off to justice, and rebuilt Afghanistan to ensure that al-Qaeda was permanently denied a base there. Iraq, well, Iraq was contained.
Anybody see the Lisa Myers "piece" with her interview of Mr. Schacte who says he was on the boat with John Kerry when he was wounded?
Schacte is presented well dressed in a dark jacket and tie and in an elegant setting being interviewed by Myers. His account is then disputed by Mr. Zaladonis who was on the boat with Kerry that day but Mr. Zaladonis appears as though he just came out of some mall and is wearing an open sport shirt and the interviewer is unknown. Zaladonis's account was also confirmed by a second man who was on the boat with Kerry that day. Neither man remembers Schacte being there!
Lisa, who obviously is welcome at the Bushboy WH whenever she wants to come for tea, concluded that this was just part of the "on going controversy."
What she meant was "Bush lie campaign."
20" Apple
Cinema Display at
1680x1050.
show off. (joke/envy)
Re: Dole
Google 'eye blinking non verbal body language' and see how many sites connect it to deception.
I was in vietnam last year
and john kerry is lieing about
what it's like over there.
'Vietnam' is a proper noun, and so needs a capital, as is 'John' and 'Kerry'. 'Lying' is the correct spelling - change the y to i and add ing.
Sue, I'm afraid your need to comment on this says far more about your intellect than mine.
When he says, "He was right," what is he talking about? I just don't understand this post at all.
Where are Karen Schill and Tubby Putzhole? Surely they would come to Hatchet Bob's defense. Then again, they're chickenshit Repubs so maybe not.
snooodles.
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