I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Rumsfeld is gone. Before the election.
BOO-YAH! Indictments, bitches!
When this all comes crashing down, we won't know which side to be on...seriously.
Somehow 9-11 is involved here, that is for certain.
All this spy vs. spy stuff is giving me a woody!
...will the republic ever again be secure?
"I feel the earth...move...under my feet"
A former Feith employee, Karen Kwiatkowski, has described how senior Israeli military officers were sometimes escorted to his Pentagon office without signing in as security regulations required
but did she put any documents in her pants? That is the important question!
Will we one day be able to confront our GOP enablers, the ones who live by us and work with us, and say "You allowed this to happen."?
It sounds like the Administration was trying to get out in front of this story by making it sound like some low level guy handing off some internal policy info to a PAC. Now is it clear why they would try to get out in front of the story on a friday evening.
But it's not the Boy King's fault! He didn't know!
And Rummy is doing a darn good job--he's the best SecDef we've ever had!
What is Marshall's new article about?
After the traitor Feith is drawn and quartered, may I suggest he be hung, electrocuted, and then injected with Barbara Bush's homemade, distilled from cobra venom infused Kamikaze for good measure?
I smell Iran-Contra.
Quick, lookit Scott Peterson!
Atrios posts and the monkeys fly out of his ass to comment.
let's ignore the anonymous trollbot is here.
The damage will be limited to the person with the lowest possible ranking. After some unpleasantness, this person will land a job at a conservative think tank and reappear as an analyst on Fox News.
While I doubt there will be much outrage from the folk who were bitterly complaining about Mr. Berger, this puts the Sandy Berger scandal in perspective.
"Atrios posts and the monkeys fly out of his ass to comment."
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 08.28.04 - 8:14 pm | #
as you have just shown so clearly Anonytroll, thanks for that.
Hi Anonymous! How does it feel to have just flown out of Atrios' ass?
OZ--With the death of the Wicked Witch of the West and the absence of the Wizard, Glenda of North has moved quickly to fill the power vacuum and cement the North's control over the East, West, and Oz itself.
Kwiatkowski has her own blog, link under the Homepage heading.
"...the best Secretary of Defense this country has ever had."
I wonder what footage they'll run that quote over, again and again.
Now I'm confused; I thought this went only a year back - perhaps related to Yellowcake/Plame/false documents - but now it seems this goes further back. Somebody (Josh) release the info!
Too bad political pressure will ensure we never really know all that went on, or even a little.
Its really a bit much to hope for that the allmighty Israel lobby actually takes a fall for once.
Wow, and how pissed were some people in the FBI and/or pentagon to actually go after the most sacred of cows?
Its pretty safe to assume Israel has been very very naughty.
last?
A quick history review,
Watergate was a simmering scandal during the 1972 election. Nixon won the election handily but the scandal started growing out of Nixon's control, but it wasn't until August 1974 that Nixon was forced to resign.
There are several simmering Bush scandals, if he wins in November, I predict he won't finish his second term. I wonder who would become prez if Cheney resigns first and Bush appoints a VP before resigning himself. hmmm
Gotta love it when anonymous sources begin to pile on.
Having a draft of the document - which some Pentagon officials may have believed was insufficiently tough toward Iran - would have allowed Israel to influence U.S. policy while it was still being made.
High crimes and misdemeanors? Treason? I'm sure the Bush supporters are all ho-humming about this: had it been Clinton, they'd have had strokes (and then launched impeachment hearings).
Who gets the provable best result from evangelical, apocalyptic fervor?
The folks who get the land now as opposed to hypothetical, supernatural salvation later.
Holy spit! This should be good...
To those of you who watch network TV news, is this getting much play?
Yogi, this isn't about Israel. Of course they're going to try to get information. The problem is with the Office of Special Plans giving information to foreign agents such as Chalabi and his bunch and the Israelis.
Its going to be fun to watch this develop if we learn the whole truth.
Anon today:
Atrios posts and the monkeys fly out of his ass to comment
Anon yesterday:
Atrios and his ass-kissing monkeys
Which is it Anon?
Flip-flopper
But, but, but...Sharon just said Israel does not spy on the United States.
Ha, ha, ha. Good one, Arik. We believe you.
Richard Sale is always good on neocons and intelligence. Many, many, many sources. The kkkkkknifes are out, methinks.
http://tinyurl.com/6jp3f
No sex involved.
Move on.
Hmmm, washingtonmonthly seems offline again, and this was supposed to at least give the title of Josh Marshall's earthquake story, wasn't it?
All this spy vs. spy stuff is giving me a woody!
Here here,You know thats illegal under this administration.
I was a little disappointed this morning when I read the overnight devfelopments on this.It seemed to me that it was going to be only one person.
I am again astounded to find that the press is/was wrong!
"This is an American political story, an elections story, a pre-convention story to try to slander and criticize [US President George W.] Bush. It has nothing to do with us," one source in Jerusalem said.
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"The Jerusalem sources said that the story, which broke on the eve of the Republican National Convention in New York, comes amid an attempt over the last few months to attack the neo-conservatives close to Bush, such as Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, and Elliot Abrams, and to create the impression that the neo-cons, many of whom are Jewish, led Bush into war in Iraq because it was good for Israel, and now are trying to do the same with Iran.
"This is part of the effort to find fault with Bush, and cast him as someone who is surrounded and controlled by Jewish Zionists," one official said.
The story, according to these sources, fits in neatly with the anti-Semitic agenda of some in the US who are accusing Israel of being behind Bush's war in Iraq.
The sources said that, with the current election campaign focusing on Bush's competence to govern and command, this story is designed to tarnish his image."
JPost.com
Speaking of no sex involved,
did you see Lisa Meyers report on NBC?
Interviewed another swift boat dude, a rear admiral who says that Kerry faked his first purple heart.
what up with her all anti-dem, all the time ' reporting?
From Telegraph, via dkos:
After weeks of denigration of the Democratic challenger's Vietnam war record, Mr Kerry's backers have responded with allegations against the President - including the claim that he was once photographed in uniform wearing a medal ribbon he had not earned.
As polls showed that Mr Bush had edged ahead of Mr Kerry for the first time, a pro-Kerry organisation labelled the President an "impostor" over the photograph, taken in 1970 and discovered in his father's Presidential Library in Houston, Texas.
The ribbon is an Air Force Outstanding Unit Award - which was not awarded to the 111th Fighter Intercept Squadron in which Mr Bush served until 1975, five years after the photograph was taken, according to the group US War Report.
"Why is this fraud important? Because it betrays the Honour Code that every officer learns and carries throughout his or her career," said Walt Starr who investigated the medals for the group. Separately a new book, Deserter, by Ian Williams, a British-born author, challenges the President with details of how he used his father's influence to join the Texas Air National Guard as a trainee pilot, thereby avoiding service in Vietnam, and then allegedly disappeared from his base without fulfilling his duty.
OT, but given that Bush dresses in cowboy boots, cowboy hat, has a ranch, talks like a Texan and has the strut down to a science--has anybody ever seen him ride a horse?
Oh, here's a juicy line in the article.
"Investigators are said to be looking at whether Franklin acted with authorization from his superiors, one official said."
Superiors would be Luti, then Feith!
I have saved this article since last April. Names all the names. All I can say is that any information that was passed on to Isreal was probably made up, tainted, just as the intelligence given to Powell to go before the U.N. was.
http://www.intelmessages.org/Mes...es_04/
7816.html
I am amazed that Feith is still the Under Secretary of Defense.
can't anonymouses be exterminated?
thelrd in TEXAS
It sounds like the Administration was trying to get out in front of this story by making it sound like some low level guy handing off some internal policy info to a PAC.
You mean the Few Bad Apples Defense? Hey media ... fool me once ... whatever.
I can only hope that we're living through some cyclical period of "collective insanity." There were the Salem Witch trials, the Big Red Scare at the turn of the century and the McCarthy era. The German people claimed some sort of this phenomena in the 1930s.
I went to hear Jim Hightower speak at one of the local bookstores - Bookshop Santa Cruz - and felt the first tinges of optimism in 4 years. He speaks of a groundswell of populism and grassroots awareness. Hope he's right.
Check out the Apollo Alliance for energy independence (www.apolloalliance.org) - a coalition of labor, environmentalists, business, and government. Essentially, put people back to work (inculding re-training) building a new energy infrastructure based on alternative and renewable sources. The concept is simple and grounded in common sense.
an attempt over the last few months to attack the neo-conservatives close to Bush, such as Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, and Elliot Abrams, and to create the impression that the neo-cons, many of whom are Jewish, led Bush into war in Iraq because it was good for Israel, and now are trying to do the same with Iran.
"This is part of the effort to find fault with Bush, and cast him as someone who is surrounded and controlled by Jewish Zionists," one official said.
Yes, and?
Fantastic metaphor, Atrios.
This is why after a Kerry victory one focus of our collective activism should be the discrediting and, where warranted, punishment of those responsible for the various acts of corruption and incompetence.
If you let them off easy, they just think that they're clever.
The story, according to these sources, fits in neatly with the anti-Semitic agenda of some in the US who are accusing Israel of being behind Bush's war in Iraq.
So sorry. That boat left a while ago. See if you can catch the next one.
This is why after a Kerry victory one focus of our collective activism should be the discrediting and, where warranted, punishment of those responsible for the various acts of corruption and incompetence.
We must do the latter. We can't have the Elliot Abramses of this administration pop back up in a few years.
Bush can't be off limits either. It's a violation of US Law to conspire to send people to other countries to be tortured. There is little question that we've done that, and Bush needs to be punished for it.
That's our first fight with Kerry.
anon II,
Word is the next boat just sank.
Annya,
Please use this, or this.
It keeps haloscan happy.
This admin is fast turning into a convoy of "sinking boats".
I agree with Atios.If this turns out be something,there is no way it can be allowed to pass like Iran-Contra.This time has to be the last.The allowing of criminals in the government is atrocious and would not be allowed but for the crony system.
Kets just hope that this story turns out to be for real and that someone actually takes the initiative to prosecute.Unlike Clinton did with the last set of liars.
The story, according to these sources, fits in neatly with the anti-Semitic agenda of some in the US who are accusing Israel of being behind Bush's war in Iraq.
That's how the neocons will spin it. We have to fight that perception from the begining. I've been the target of anti-Semitism, and I'm pissed as hell at the neocons who've made all the nazi's wet dreams seem to be true.
Huh. Rumsfeld's flunkies, hand-picked by Cheney, turn out to be a bunch of traitorous weasels... and the news is released on a Friday before a week when all news is going to be buried by the Governator speaking to the RNC.
Nice planning.
Fix this, it makes ya'll look like Bartcop.
at which point the "establishment," with which their intimately intertwined, demands leniency, letting them go lurk underground until they're ready to pop up and screw things up all over again.
It's not "their"; it's THEY"RE.
This doesn't seem to be getting much play on TV. CBS didn't mention it until 10 minutes into the nightly news tonight, and they featured an "analyst" who suggested it was overblown and that Israel would never spy on the U.S. after the Pollard incident.
http://www.majority.com/news/upi-spy.htm
Feith committed the same acts before, was fired but Rummy rehired him. So it is not nothing new here. Same guys, same acts, same results. They are all working for Isreal's interest.
Is there anything new in this story, really? That Israel has heavily influenced U-S policy on Iraq and Iran is well-known. That the Department of Defense was heavily influenced by Israel is well-known. That neo-cons and Israel sleep in the same bed is well-known.
There's not a surprise here in any of this nor a Pulitzer.
It's not "their"; it's THEY"RE
That's why we need an amendment against homophones.
Israel is a malignancy on this blue planet.
The Israeli right is a malignancy on this blue planet.
Just now on newsday.com New York section:
"Two men busted for allegedly plotting to bomb the Herald Square subway station were described by their families Saturday as American-loving patriots.
But New York police and federal authorities say the suspects, Shahawar Matin Siraj, a 22-year-old Pakistani national living in Jackson Heights, and James Elshafay, a 19-year-old U.S. citizen from Staten Island, hate America and were intent on carrying out their plan.
They dealt closely with a police informant who told them that his elders — the "brotherhood" — had approved their mission and who they mistakenly believed was going to provide them with explosives, according to the federal criminal complaint filed against the suspects."
Whoops, I said that, not the General. I blame halscan.
I hate those damn cycadias.
F**k.This> Sh%t. They are so going to lose in Nov.
halscan.???
Jim Faith,
I agree with you about Hightower. I've only heard him on the radio, but he does exude optimism. He reminded the listeners that we have a lot more media than we think that we have (internet.) He pointed out that his most recent book sold well, without any mainstream advertising. He also was jubilant about Walmart being shut down in some places. It's nice to hear some optimism in the land of Mordor, doom and gloom, terror, Fox news, suicide bombers, raging poverty etc...
Can anyone remember what the word "treason", that Coulter and John O'Neil love to throw around so much, really means? I'm thinking this may well provide the reminder of what a real treasonous bastard is.
Lets also not forget the Feith has been instrumental in the US persuing a foreign policy that has been hugely detrimental to our national interest and security. Maybe he isn't really an idiot, but instead just puts someone else's interests above those of America?
Hell, putting other interests ahead of those of the American public is a fundamental theme of the entire damn administration!
This one is even more ridiculous than the arrests upstate a couple of weeks ago. Terrorist cases that are about 97% entrapment. Eeeesch!
I awake every morning in August to that damned metallic whine.
halscan.???
I blame it for that too.
Sorry, but this story is making less and less sense.
One person passing on documents is treason. But a group of people doing it for two years, since the summer before the Iraq War began? That's DOD policy - unannounced and uncredited and unconscionable, but policy all the same.
I would not be in the least surprised if this isn't actually another Iran-Contra issue, a secret foreign policy being run off the books by the Pentagon, contrary toUS foreign policies and the policies of the Secretary of State and the State Department. But if, in two years, there has not been a case assembled which could be taken to a prosecutor, or which this Justice department will prosecute, then there's not going to be anything resolved until the dems are running the White House, and the Senate and House committees again.
But I thought Feith was just the dumbest fucking son of a bitch on earth, to quote General Franks (I think). Traitor makes him multidimensional.
The Bush boys are so stupid! A basic rule in DC politics: You never leave the CIA or the FBI holding the bag for failures in leadership without paying a high price.
These men and women know all the tricks and they know timing is everything in intelligence, comedy and politics. Every week from now to November a new story will be leaked.
The FBI says, "Mars bitches!"
The Bush boys are so stupid! A basic rule in DC politics: You never leave the CIA or the FBI holding the bag for failures in leadership without paying a high price.
These men and women know all the tricks and they know timing is everything in intelligence, comedy and politics. Every week from now to November a new story will be leaked.
The FBI says, "Mars bitches!"
Bush can't be off limits either. It's a violation of US Law to conspire to send people to other countries to be tortured. There is little question that we've done that, and Bush needs to be punished for it.
That's our first fight with Kerry.
This is very true.
However, you're a lot funnier as the other guy.
Israel is a malignancy on this blue planet.
I wouldn't agree with that.
However, I think it would be fair to say that Likudnik maniacs who would happily kill us all to maintain some sense of security for the abstract notion of Israel are a malignancy.
Most of the people in Israel just want to live their lives in peace. Most Palestinians want the same thing. There are tiny minorities on both sides who are willing to do absolutely anything to obliterate the other side. Israel's pro-annihilation faction just happens to be running their government; the Palestinians don't have the resources to properly combat the terrorists in their midst.
Some bullshit spin coming fast and furious. In Haaretz:
"Pentagon sources said Franklin, as a mid-level analyst, had no responsibility for determining policy. "
"Sources in Washington who deal daily with Israel's relationship to the administration yesterday said it's not impossible the Franklin matter was a "gray area" that had been blown out of proportion by people trying to harm President George Bush on the eve of the Republican National Convention."
However, you're a lot funnier as the other guy.
But just as angry.
"Israel is a malignancy on this blue planet" -mrs. Pig
STFU.
No, I don't like the way the Palestinians are being treated. No, I wouldn't never vote for Likud. However, until people like you stop using words like "cancer," "plague," and (in your specific case) "malignancy" to describe a nation where people still remember firsthand the attempted genocide of their entire race, I will defend Israel against those who slander it with adjectives that describe things that need to be eradicated or destroyed like the abovementioned cancer, plague, or malignancy.
So, STFU, you classless, tasteless, clueless prick. Anyone with any worthwhile convictions would support the Palestinians in their nonviolent struggle, and not advocate by their choice of vocabulary the destruction of Israel.
"Blown out of proportion." Like the 1000 dead in Iraq.
Since a US response will be expected in Israel, an American attack in South America or Southern Asia might be a surprise to Israeli intelligence.
Likud is a malignancy on this blue planet. Likud and Al-Qaida.
Two sides of the same coin.
I am sorry to say that this will probably go the same way that all other Bush scandals have gone, down the rat hole.
Remember when we were going to have Rove do the perp walk?
Remember Richard Clarke's testimony was supposed to change the world?
Abu G. scandal has been watered down to a few bad apples.
This, too, will turn out to be nothing.
The collective crimes of Bush and the rest of the criminals in his family and adminstration, and supporters are breath taking and unpunished.
Bush will be unscathed by this scandal, as will Cheney and the rest of them. Heck, more than half the nation thinks that they are really swell and deserve another term, the bottom feeding media needs them to win another term.
The Bush family is the most powerful family on earth and people have learned not to cross them. It is as simple as that. If I were that Karen woman, I would be fearing for my life.
What Atrios said, patriotboy:
" every dozen years ago the same bunch of corrupt idiots, or their intellectual progeny, get into power and proceed to screw things up until they get caught, at which point the "establishment," with which they're intimately intertwined, demands leniency, letting them go lurk underground until they're ready to pop up and screw things up all over again "
Kerry will undoubtedly be a superior leader to anyone in the Bush family. He has my vote. But Kerry is Skull and Bones . He represents a rival branch of the Company- albeit one that's always fought Bu$hCo tooth and nail.
Unless we can nail the coffins of the Undead shut- by sending not only the ringleaders like both Bu$hes and Cheney and Rumsfeld to jail but also their old Ring-wielding Nazgul like Poindexter and Abrams and newbies like Feith to prison- they'll be back.
There is the possibility Kerry would do this to his rival Brothers. Look at what Poppy Bush's Company did to Jimmy Carter. Don't think Kerry isn't aware of it- but don't think he'll act unless he's got an airtight case against them that protects his own Company connections.
Treat everything you read in Haaretz or the Jerusalem post as if it was written bu the Mossad, because it probably was.
Same thing goes for anything written by Judith Miller.
A basic rule in DC politics: You never leave the CIA or the FBI holding the bag for failures in leadership without paying a high price.
This has been my ardent hope--but I'll believe it when I actually see a perp walk, or at least a destroyed Neocon career.
So far, it's just spin and fog.
All this spy vs spy is much too confusing to the average swing voter, not to mention too removed from Bush himself, and certainly too complicated for the SCUM [SCLM] to even attempt to cover beyond a couple wonky articles in the odd dead tree rags.
However, THIS clip from above, coppied below, makes a) the kind of easy "gotcha" the press can [and loves to] work with and b) comes complete with a visual prop at the center. Best of all, there is no possible way (though he'll try) Bush can distance himself from it. Remember, for the most effective memes, K.I.S.S.
After weeks of denigration of the Democratic challenger's Vietnam war record, Mr Kerry's backers have responded with allegations against the President - including the claim that he was once photographed in uniform wearing a medal ribbon he had not earned.
As polls showed that Mr Bush had edged ahead of Mr Kerry for the first time, a pro-Kerry organisation labelled the President an "impostor" over the photograph, taken in 1970 and discovered in his father's Presidential Library in Houston, Texas.
The ribbon is an Air Force Outstanding Unit Award - which was not awarded to the 111th Fighter Intercept Squadron in which Mr Bush served until 1975, five years after the photograph was taken, according to the group US War Report.
Kos had more on this but I can't find the link at the moment.
Paging Jon Stewart . . .
"That's why we need an amendment against homophones."
HOMONYMS, General.
Cathie - you're absolutely right. Watch for it.
Central Scrutinizer, Got it! Thanks
Like the 1000 dead in Iraq.
You've been watching too much TV. There's are tens of thousands dead in Iraq as a result of this illegitimate war.
Why is everybody here going on and on about spies and treason? Don't any of you remember that Clinton had sex with an intern in the Oval Office? Gee whiz, stick with what's important.....
You never leave the CIA or the FBI holding the bag for failures in leadership without paying a high price
Well, freelove, you do if you own half of it and are trying to come up with an excuse to get the half you don't own fired.
Which is exactly what the Wrepublicans are trying to do to the American Intelligence community today.
Without the House, you have no impeachment power, so it doesn't matter what the scandal is, a President can get away with it if he wants to and his party sticks with him. I mean, they have the Congress, the Supreme Court, the governors...
HOMONYMS, General.
I blame halscan.
There are tiny minorities on both sides who are willing to do absolutely anything to obliterate the other side.
So, is it OK if we kill those people?
Oh hell, I'm such a softy--I could never do that. Could we send them to Mars? I'll settle for that.
Who think that this scandal will matter to the media (American people)? You Dems need to wake up. If Bush survived the other scandals, what makes this one such a bid deal?
he was once photographed in uniform wearing a medal ribbon he had not earned.
Oh mother earth let it be true.
When I'm not defending the Jewish race against bizarre, uninformed, and genocidal remarks from my supposed leftist comrades, I check the weather. I am now forced to wonder, Does God hate Florida, or just certain Floridian counties? Hurricane Frances already at 135mph and the 5-day tracking model takes it right up to the Atlantic (east) coast of Florida... I only bring this up here because of it's politically important name... FRANCEs! My GOD, the French have multiplied, and they're terrorizing our shores! FoxNewsCNNCBSMSNBCABC were right, they French are the real enemy! Quick to the (hurricane proof) wine cellars, smash those bottles, that'll show them! Watch out Jeb!
"That's why we need an amendment against homophones."
HOMONYMS, General.
I don't think the general likes any of those homos.
Iran Bitches.
Other than a democratic white house and congress, the other group which could actually investigate this story is the washington media -- they have the contacts and the background, or some do -- but they're too busy tracking down Vietnam swift boat vets and parsing Navy documents and looking for bullet holes.
Who think that this scandal will matter to the media (American people)? You Dems need to wake up. If Bush survived the other scandals, what makes this one such a bid deal?
It's a big deal because it's treason. You should be ashamed of yourself for crowing about how nobody will care. You should care.
Does anyone think that this story about the subway bomb plot is an attempted deflection?
I had the FBI at my house about 3 weeks ago. I think they are just lining up a bunch of patsies to pull out anytime they get bad news coming their way.
Does God hate Florida, or just certain Floridian counties?
It will be ironic if during the next solar maximum in 2009, the poles melt, the sea level rises 300 feet, and the entire state of Florida goes the way of Atlantis.
Ironic, and doubtless the fault of Bill Clinton's penis.
I had the FBI at my house about 3 weeks ago. I think they are just lining up a bunch of patsies to pull out anytime they get bad news coming their way.
If you dont mind.What was their excuse?
enozinho, perhaps they should pull a few agents away from investigating people like you and send them over to the Pentagon.
If you dont mind.What was their excuse?
I studied arabic in france. They wanted to know if anything fishy was going on at the school I attended.
Doesn't matter. Somehow it will be Clinton's fault.
"It will be ironic if during the next solar maximum in 2009, the poles melt, the sea level rises 300 feet, and the entire state of Florida goes the way of Atlantis." -kelley b.
See, I don't think they entire state would go under, just the tip, since ALL the polar ice couldn't possibly melt in a decade. And in my opinion that submerging of the southernmost bits of the peninsula would just be God's way of circumcising America's wang. A topological bris milah, as it were...
Man, it sucks to be in the Bush administration -- you loose all your friends. Poor Mr. Bush has had to quietly and quickly sever ties (or keep 'em on the d.l.) with Kenneth Lay, Ahmed Chalabi, a few others whose names I've forgotten, and no it looks like he'll have to dance backwards from his buddies in DoD as well.
I have to wonder, though, what the headlines will be like around pardon season -- yet _another_ Bush acquaintence gets a presidential pardon? We might see people who have been pardoned by two presidents, both named Bush.
This whole story is bad, bad, bad news for Bush and Israel. So expect the media to bury it poste haste!
This whole story is bad, bad, bad news for Bush and Israel. So expect the media to bury it poste haste!
It's quite all right, General - the Poodles understand. However, this guy may not.
Carry on.
A little OT, but did anyone else see the story about Rumsfeld mischaracterizing the recent Abu Gharib reports and then it turned out he hasn't even read them yet?
We fire people for incompetence like that where I work.
If sea levels rise 15 feet in Florida, i'll own oceanfront property and be a Republican.
There are several simmering Bush scandals, if he wins in November, I predict he won't finish his second term. I wonder who would become prez if Cheney resigns first and Bush appoints a VP before resigning himself. hmmm
JEB.
Remember that it was John Kerry's investigations that got torpedoed when the Iran-Contra pardons were issued. That should give everyone a pretty good notion of just how desperate those criminals will be to stay in power this time, rather than risk having John Kerry in control of the nation's law enforcement apparatus.
There are several simmering Bush scandals, if he wins in November, I predict he won't finish his second term.
No way. The Republicans will still control everything, including the media. The entire thing will stay comfortably buried in the collective unconscious.
Hecate: Where I used to work, people who weren't incompetent were always the ones who were dismissed. That way, things were always cozy, but I think that's pretty much howcome they were always being sued.
Here . Nice kitties
can't anonymouses be exterminated?
anonymice.
*
Tin foil mad hatter, above, you're right that none of the scandals - Abu Graib, Richard Clarke, etc. - brought down this administration. But collectively they really have made an impact. Think about just one year ago. Bush seemed totally unbeatable. Now Kerry winning is a possibility. This is just one more scandal that will help chip away at Bush's armor.
One thing I noticed, though. Bush has now stated that his admin miscalculated on the post-war planning. Feith has previously been blamed the problems in Iraq. How much you want to bet that BushCo will completely spin the Iraq fiasco as Feith's failure? He'll be the fall guy.
BTW - I just LOVE the timing of this. Yes, someone was really pissed at Bush & DoD to allow this to come out immediately before the convention.
OT,
Krugman nails it again.
"Treat everything you read in Haaretz or the Jerusalem post as if it was written bu the Mossad, because it probably was."
Haaretz?
"There are several simmering Bush scandals, if he wins in November, I predict he won't finish his second term." -Swift Dems for Kerry
That's actually something I've thought a lot about. Bush's evasions of potential scandals don't provide a "case closed" ending, they merely delay the inevitable findings of GOP malfeasance to after the election. So, God forbid, Bush wins, he will be in for a new damaging investigatory report being released every month, many of which may highlight either his lack of resolve in fighting the actual terrorists or his links to corporations or special interests. How long can he survive that prolonged barrage, even if a Republican House is a given? So I agree, even if Bush wins, he loses, since all the reports on his own incompetence that he's delayed will hit him like an enormous unpaid credit card debt...
So perhaps (barring another terrorist attack, which would be inherently horrid in itself but would also boost Bush in the polls for another two years, *shiver*) we are looking at an almost win-win election after all?
he was once photographed in uniform wearing a medal ribbon he had not earned.
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He also lied about his service in his book, and no one gave a shit about that, either.
I just received an email from Palast:
STILL UNREPORTED: THE PAY-OFF IN BUSH AIR GUARD FIX
Saturday, August 28, 2004
by Greg Palast
In 1968, former Congressman George Herbert Walker Bush of Texas, fresh from voting to send other men's sons to Vietnam, enlisted his own son in a very special affirmative action program, the 'champagne' unit of the Texas Air National Guard. There, Top Gun fighter pilot George Dubya was assigned the dangerous job of protecting Houston from Vietcong air attack.
This week, former Lt. Governor Ben Barnes of Texas 'fessed up to pulling the strings to keep Little George out of the jungle. "I got a young man named George W. Bush into the Texas Air Guard - and I'm ashamed."
THE PAY-OFF
That's far from the end of the story. In 1994, George W. Bush was elected governor of Texas by a whisker. By that time, Barnes had left office to become a big time corporate lobbyist. To an influence peddler like Barnes, having damning information on a sitting governor is worth its weight in gold - or, more precisely, there's a value in keeping the info secret.
Barnes appears to have made lucrative use of his knowledge of our President's slithering out of the draft as a lever to protect a multi-billion dollar contract for a client. That's the information in a confidential letter buried deep in the files of the US Justice Department that fell into my hands at BBC television.
Here's what happened. Just after Bush's election, Barnes' client GTech Corp., due to allegations of corruption, was about to lose its license to print money: its contract to run the Texas state lottery. Barnes, says the Justice Department document, made a call to the newly elected governor's office and saved GTech's state contract.
The letter said, "Governor Bush ... made a deal with Ben Barnes not to rebid [the GTech lottery contract] because Barnes could confirm that Bush had lied during the '94 campaign."
In that close race, Bush denied the fix was in to keep him out of 'Nam, and the US media stopped asking questions. What did the victorious Governor Bush's office do for Barnes? According to the tipster, "Barnes agreed never to confirm the story [of the draft dodging] and the governor talked to the chair of the lottery two days later and she then agreed to support letting GTech keep the contract without a bid."
With something this big you know this is going to be all over the Sunday morning shows. Not.
The megaphone belongs to Bush.
And so it came to pass that the governor's commission reversed itself and gave GTech the billion dollar deal without a bid.
The happy client paid Barnes, the keeper of Governor Bush's secret, a fee of over $23 million. Barnes, not surprisingly, denies that Bush took care of his client in return for Barnes' silence. However, confronted with the evidence, the former Lt. Governor now admits to helping the young George stay out of Vietnam.
Take a look at the letter yourself - with information we confirmed with other sources - at http://www.gregpalast.com/ulf/do...dgeblanked.jpg)
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Frankly, I don't care if President Bush cowered and ran from Vietnam. I sure as hell didn't volunteer ... but then, my daddy didn't send someone else in my place. And I don't march around aircraft carriers with parachute clips around my gonads talking about war and sacrifice.
More important, I haven't made any pay-offs to silence those who could change my image from war hero to war zero.
No, Chauncy, the megaphone belongs to the taxpayers, unfortunately Bush superglued the megaphone to his hand and the media won't spend a couple bucks buying some solvent to pry it loose...
Also don't forget if the Rethugs keep the house and senate, there will be no investigations no matter who is prez.
All this spy vs. spy stuff is giving me a woody!
man, you are getting to much politics and not enough reality.
(just kidding)
No, God doesn't hate Florida, only those counties represented by Porter Goss (which is where the hurricane struck)
Also don't forget if the Rethugs keep the house and senate, there will be no investigations no matter who is prez.
The Prez has the Justice Department. They can get back into the justice business without Congress' OK.
I wish I could get a woody. When is Spartacus on again?
Josh's tectonic article is up...
http://tinyurl.com/5xemr
It's a big deal because it's treason. You should be ashamed of yourself for crowing about how nobody will care. You should care.
I care. But I also watched as Iran-Contra, which was easily 10x worse than Watergate, fizzed out. Then I watched as a presidential BJ ground the government (or at least the press) to a near halt. The only conclusion is that the average American is simply too distracted and/or apathetic to bother getting a handle on anything so complicated as a conspiracy. It's no coincidence that the history of Bush's (I & II) successful political campaigns have used mind-numbingly simple messages. People form opinions quickly and if it takes more than two sentences to get a point across it won't.
Bush posing in a photo wearing a medal he didn't earn is EXACTLY the kind of simple, digestible tidbit people can use to convey that Bush IS A PHONEY!! It’s also incredibly difficult for him to refute.
I’m not crowing that nobody will care. I would love it if more people understand the implications of our national spy vs. spy vs. spy. But sadly they don't and so I adjust my tactics accordingly.
Sometimes a simple rock can be the most effective weapon (especially if you hit them between the eyes with it).
check out this link to see how CNN bookers find their "unbiased" guests.
disgusting scum
Here is link to Telegraph story about Bush wearing medals he allegedly did not earn.
Tumb, you signed your post with the name, "conservative." Of I had known it was you, I wouldn't have been so preachy. I've been reading your comments long enough to know that you care.
"This doesn't seem to be getting much play on TV. CBS didn't mention it until 10 minutes into the nightly news tonight, and they featured an "analyst" who suggested it was overblown and that Israel would never spy on the U.S. after the Pollard incident"
By contrast, World News Tonight, ABC's evening broadcast lead with it, and gave the story a good amount of time. My question is will the nets and cablers drop the story now that the RNC is about to start or will they continue to cover during the convention?
Out of curiosity checked on how Fox is covering the story..Lol..sort of "excusing" it..because "leak" or espionage was related to a member of the "Axis of Evil", Iran.
Same goes for thumb.
Thumb - Don't completely go over to the idea that nothing will be done about this. I am getting a very clear signal from all of this that over 30 years of rottenness in foreign affairs is breaking wide open. I don't think they are going to be able to put the genie back in the bottle again. I really don't.
I feel exactly the way Atrios does - that these people have been emerging every number of years and picking up right where they left off before, and getting deeper into the bullshit and the bad shit. I think they've really screwed themselves this time. They've overreached and they've pissed too many people off, finally. They've been working on it for years and years.
I also think the Jerusalem Times (doesn't Wolfowitz own a controlling interest in that paper?) is trying desperately to effect a cover up for Israel. This story has scared them, I think.
CNN Poll: Did Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr win or lose in Najaf?
Win 51% 20756 votes
Lose 20% 8135 votes
Neither 30% 12139 votes
Total: 41030 votes
Wow, so 51% of Americans think we and Allawi LOST that one, and only 20% think evil Mr Muqtada came out worse for wear. SO congrats sovereign Iraq, your government fights battles and wins the peace as well as Bush and his neocon cabal!!!
I was personally hoping for a "Draw" option. That would be a fun episode, "Uh... it's a circle, it's a circle with a string, a lollipop. A balloon? Ok, balloon! Um, um, Balloon cash? Balloon money? Negative balloon money? What? OH! It's a ballooning US federal deficit that has depleted the Americans' ability to effectively fight terrorism!!! Yes, that's right Muqtada, and that's another 300 points for the insurgency..."
They better not drop this story. Fair is fair.
Does anyone know if Fox has mentioned this even once?
patriot boy,
I see your point, but it didn't help clinton.
undoubtedly the agitprop agencies of the amerikan state also have failed to report that the gangster general of chile, augusto pinochet ugarte, lost his "save harmless" for the crimes that he energized in the southern cone[as an agent of the noxious and the kissinger, the ford, the carter, the raygun, and the ciabush].
oh, if anyone would ever put that story up on the silver screen?
actually has been done, guzman's battle for chile. view it when and if you can.
a good one volume history of this usof amerika gangster has just been released. by roger burbach. entitled THE PINOCHET AFFAIR: STATE TERRORISM AND GLOBAL JUSTICE. ISBN #1842774344
LA Times already has it up, now:
THE NATION
Israel at Center of Spying Probe
The Justice Department is investigating whether a top Pentagon analyst shared classified files on Iran. Israel denies any wrongdoing.
By Richard B. Schmitt and Mark Mazzetti
Times Staff Writers
August 28, 2004
WASHINGTON — The Justice Department has launched an espionage investigation into whether a top policy analyst working for the Pentagon's third-ranking official may have passed classified information to Israel through a powerful pro-Israeli lobbying group, sources familiar with the probe said Friday.
The investigation, being handled by the counterespionage division of the FBI, is said to focus on an incident last year in which the analyst allegedly turned over a presidential directive on U.S. policy toward Iran to two people affiliated with the Washington-based American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the sources said. Those two in turn may have given the information to Israel.
Officials are concerned because the directive that was transmitted was in draft form and still being debated by U.S. policymakers, possibly putting the Israeli government in a position to influence the final document, officials said. U.S. policy toward Iran is important for Israel, which is concerned about Iran's potential nuclear capabilities.
Moreover, investigators fear that the suspect — who works for Douglas J. Feith, chief policy advisor to Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld — also may have been in a position to compromise government information about that country and the U.S. war effort.....
And the Chicago Tribune:
Just a silly question, but doesn't it seem like there should be a point where the actual security of the nation might have priority over the automatic defending of the administration by all the usual lackeys?
You watch these "news" shows and no matter how potentially catastrophic the ever increasing series of fuck ups Bushco generates, the rightwing talking heads are almost falling off the front of their seats trying to be the first to chant the latest talking points. No regard for any bigger picture. School boys with a crush on teacher.
"Hope is on its way." John Kerry was in Tacoma, Washington today. Over 20,000 people showed up and loved the man. He has so much class and exudes strength and confidence.
The 81 year old woman sitting next to me said, "He is so elegant and we need that in a President." I was amazed at the number of seniors in attendance and they're mad as hell. I heard people quizzing them about their anger and they said it wasn't about Medicare, it's because he's lied to us and he's killed our country's reputation worldwide.
My favorite quote from the group of senior women was, "In my day America hated Germany for being a bully nation and I never thought we'd be just like them." All of her friends agreed.
Don't fuck with the C.I.A
Hey! Look over there! A bomb plot!
(The suspects will be quietly released after the convention due to lack of evidence.)
Man the timing of this is too sweet. Just placed perfectly for the Sunday morning headlines. And at the start of the Republican convention.
I see your point, but it didn't help clinton.
Clinton had Congress, the Judiciary (mostly in the form of David Santelle), and the Executive (Reno) on his ass. If Kerry elected, a good AG is all he'll need.
Uh, this scandal doesn't have to "bring down" Shrub. But it can make him play defense after the convention so the polls are even with a Kerry edge (as they largely are now) going into the debates.
Get on the phones & faxes; send the emails, send the letters. Deluge every media establishment you can think of and demand they cover this, now, and not repeat the mistakes of 1972 by letting the scandal slip away until the election was over.
Make a pest and a nuisance of yourself (politely, of course). Make them do their job.
School boys with a crush on teacher.
Millionaires protecting their tax cuts.
Just a silly question, but doesn't it seem like there should be a point where the actual security of the nation might have priority over the automatic defending of the administration by all the usual lackeys?
And they call is traitors?
I still assume it is much too early to say anything sensible because we still kinow so little. If one assumes the initial report is true, the focus may well shift away from the guy(s) accused of spying and take a closere look at the APIC--the pro-Israel lobby group. Lobby groups are not supposed to act as conduits for foreign countries...on the other hand, why would a "spy: need to go through a lobby group to send info on to Israel, as the initial story declares?
patriotboy - Amazing how they always seem to do that, isn't it? They are always accusing us of being guilty of their sins.
I studied arabic in france. They wanted to know if anything fishy was going on at the school I attended.
enozinho | Email | Homepage | 08.28.04 - 9:23 pm | #
and were they after you because you learned Arabic, or because you were in France? 
IIRC,Way back in the 1990s' an Admiral was questioned about the "V" for valor attached to one of his service medals.He was found in his office with a bullet in his head,an apparent suicide.Admiral Boorda felt he had dishonored the Navy and chose death as an atonement for falsifying his multi ribboned uniform.Any man who would do less,is less of a man.
Millionaires protecting their tax cuts.
I agree but,
Things could get bad enough that millions wouldn't mean much. I've seen Hitler dollars and it took a wheelbarrow full of them to buy a loaf of bread.
Are "Father Ted" from Craggy Island?
Just FYI everybody, the photo of Bush wearing a medal he didn't earn has been up on Buzzflash for at least a week. The info that Feith and Wolfowitz work for Likud has been public knowledge since before the 2000 selection. Greg Palast proved beyond a reasonable doubt that the 2000 election was stolen and reported chapter and verse on the BBC about a year ago. I could go on but the basic idea should be clear I hope. Most Americans get their information from a system of propaganda that makes the USSR's media look like a beacon of truth unto the world. It has been apparent for some time that most of the career foreign policy, intelligence and military establishment has turned decisively against the Cabal that has taken power and uses Chimpy as it's make believe Prezneh Unie Stay, but despite dropping one revelation of treason after another, they can't get the fellating SCLM to pay any attention. So, they're escalating. Who the Cheney knows what it's going to take?
Any man who would do less,is less of a man.
Thats sick and uncalled for.
Suicide is *not* an option.
I studied arabic in france. They wanted to know if anything fishy was going on at the school I attended.
enozinho | Email | Homepage | 08.28.04 - 9:23 pm | #
Double whammy... I'm beginning to get the impression that these investigations are shockingly shallow. If you had studied arabic in France and also held a pilot's license, you'd probably be sitting in a small cage in Gitmo now.
Reading Josh's piece now.
Rogue ops out of the Pentagon. Ledeen in the thick of it. Nothing about Plame/Niger. But. Franklin/AIPAC may be the decoy thrown out to divert attention from Rhode/Ghorbanifar,
Over the last year, the Senate Intelligence Committee has conducted limited inquiries into the meetings, including interviews with Feith and Ledeen. But under terms of a compromise agreed to by both parties, a full investigation into the matter was put off until after the November election.
Er, Senator Rockefeller?
Why does Israel get a $5billion check from the US taxpayer each and every year?
OT,
I went down to Washington Square Park today (for those who don't know, it's in Greenwich Village, by NYU) with some friends who had just moved near there, and our kids so the kids could play in the park.
The Greens were having a rally. I have to say, it was pretty pathetic. Maybe it was because of the extreme heat and humidity, but it wasn't the size crowd I would have expected.
That said, there were tables set up around the area where the fountain is, with people selling all kinds of anti-Bush stuff to raise money for the Greens and other groups that were there.
Now the part that is going to piss everybody here off: It was a freak show. It looked pretty much like a big bunch of hippies of all different ages.
I left the park after a couple of hours hoping that these people get no press, because that would be a loser in the propaganda wars.
You see, one of the great things, I thought, about the march against the war a couple of years ago, was how many normal, middle American looking people were there. When the TV cameras showed people, they just looked like they could be your neighbor. Not these groups, unless you were thinking of your neighbor in Haight Ashbury in 1968.
I really had expected to see many people who appeared to be more mainstream. It was disappointing.
Luckily, I only saw what appeared to be one stringer there with a camera, and between the heat and the small crowd, I doubt he got anything to sell.
The other plus side is that there are tables popping up on corners around Manhattan, even in my Upper Eastside neighborhood, selling anti-Bush shirts and buttons.
I bought one to send to my FDR Democrat, Bush hating father-in-law in the Midwest and one to send to my extreme right-wing Rush listening brother-in-law in Colorado.
One thing you have to say about millionaires - they didn't get there being dumb, unless they inherited their wealth. There are brains out there as well as greediness. And there are some millionaires with longer sight than others, too, who might be able to tell that if things keep on as they have, the whole thing might just come crashing down. And they might be able to persuade other millionaires, too. I don't think Bush is really all that good for business in general. He's just good to certain businesses.
Are "Father Ted" from Craggy Island?
Why, indeed I am my son.
Mrs Doyle: Will you have a piece of fruit cake, Father Ted?
Father Ted: Oh no thank you, Mrs Doyle.
Mrs Doyle: Oh go on, just one piece.
Father Ted: No really Mrs Doyle, I don't want one.
Mrs Doyle: You like it Father Ted. It's got cocaine in it...Oh sorry, did I say cocaine? I meant raisins.
MICHAEL FUCKING LEDEEN.
Holy Christ. How can the media ignore
this?
http://tinyurl.com/5xemr
cervantes
So how do you get the press to pay attention?
Anyone?
I love Father Ted.
Yep, heaven fucking forbid that those dirty, smelly hippies should voice their opinion. I bet some of them might of even been listening to the Grateful Dead too, horrors!!
In this case I think the Friday news release is not for the adminstration to cover it's collective asses.
In fact the Friday release assures that this story gains momentum and takes over the Sunday morning talk show circus. That in turn leads to this story becoming the headline for Monday morning and the rest of the week.
Of course homeland security will probably try to muck things up by raising the terror alert.
Mrs. Doyle: Father Jack, what do you say to a nice cup of tea?
Fr. Jack: Feck off, cup!
freelove--thanks for the eyewitness rally report!
re: the latest leak, how can anyone still trust these nutballs, make excuses for them, believe the excuses given to them by the bobblyheads? what is wrong with people? WAKE UP ALREADY. by the time we get these foxes out of the henhouse, will there be anything left?
Extensive investigation and explanation of G. Bush's National Guard Service: http://www.glcq.com/
CNN 10:00pm broadcast - leading with RNC, Laci Peterson, NYC subway bomb plot foiled. Ten minutes into show finally mentioning Pentagon spy story. Focusing on rebuttals from WH, Israeli Gov., Aipac. Heck, Fox News, 9:00pm broadcast LEAD with the spy story, spent more time on it..and don't think their "take" on the story was any worse then CNN. So much for CNN!!!
Well I love you too, patriotboy, in a clerical, vow of celibacy kind of way.
Bush Says Kerry 'More Heroic' for Going to Vietnam
O.K., so is this the classic case of trying to be "above it all" after your surrogates smeared your opponent, or damage control because more people are beginning to believe you are behind the attaks.
Faith based education. Feith based intelligence. Two oxymorons.
d
Atrios posts and the monkeys fly out of his ass to comment.
i love flying monkeys, atrios is ok too.
i have to confess i'm having trouble following this story, but i concur with the notion that it's happening again, and again, and again,
it's crazy, you don't get to go scott free if your a politico. well of course you do, but it's just fucked up. look at this bush admin. abrams should be in jail, poindexter, the same, richard secord, don't know where but i have seen his name flying around. even ghorbonifar(sp).
But under terms of a compromise agreed to by both parties, a full investigation into the matter was put off until after the November election. Republicans on the committee, many of whom sympathize with the "regime change" agenda at DoD, have been resistant to such investigations, calling them as election-year fishing expedition.
that part really pissed me off.
I heard that John O'Neill has been so motivated to get John Kerry because he is guilty that he raped an 11 year old girl and then blew her head off.
Has anyone else heard this?
We need to see if Scott Peterson has any ties to Feith.
since ALL the polar ice couldn't possibly melt in a decade
I dunno, Jim.
Yeah, I've read all the conventional reports: Greenland's might melt irreversibly, but hey, it'll take a century or so , right, so let Halliburton have it's way with the oil.
So if the Ross shelf thins, hey, Antartica is a damn cold place, mostly subzero, and so any thinning probably won't effect us in our lifetimes, right?
Ummm- speaking of Acts of God, there are other forces in nature than simple minded Wrepublicans burning every calorie of fuel they can Wrest from the ground when they aren't playing spy games to take over the world.
For example, one reason Greenland's ice melt is accelerating is through an increase in geothermal activity.
And, incidently, under about two miles of ice in central Antartica, there's a lake nextwork about the size of Lake Ontario, and a layer of water a mile deep in places. Kept that way by geothermal activity.
There is geothermal melt from Antartica.
There's not so much of it because the air temperature's so damn cold- minus 37 celsius inland, on average. Remember: inland, it's two miles of ice over half a kilometer of water.
So no worries, right? Raising global temperatures 5 degrees C won't touch this baby? Right?
I'm thinking Act of God, Jim. Not that I believe in any one in particular.
But we are on a tectonically active planet around a very variable star. Not that Billy Graham or any Bu$h ever noticed- and when you stress an environment, things synergize. They resonate across ecosystems.
Hell, with an emergent volcano off the Ross ice shelf in a year with maximum sunspot activity, and a class V hurricane in the Gulf, and that silly overdeveloped sandbar known as Florida could be wiped off the map and scattered across the Atlantic.
Hell, if sea levels rise 5 feet- and that's a realistic number for loss of enough of Greenland's ice the disaster this country could face economically and in terms of loss of life with a class V hurricane in the Gulf would make what happened on 9-11 look like a domestic dispute in a Miami trailerpark.
And not only us. What happens to Israel when the oceans rise? What happens to Mecca? What happens when a class V typhoon with 30 foot tidal swells blows Tokyo or Hong Kong off the map?
I go widely off topic here to bring home a point: whether Kerry wins or loses, we've got to communicate to all the Company people, in the Mossad or the CIA or the employ of the House of
Go fuck yourselves!
Didn't someone accused of claiming a medal he didn't earn go home and shoot himself? Someone in the Clinton administration?
I hope Tena is right.
I'd love to see an end to the cycle whereby we get these Nixon and Gipper and Poppy retreads every few years, and they do their damnedest to pay off themselves and their friends while cheneying the rest of us, and the country.
I'd also love to see some of the simmering scandals, such as Plame and Abu Ghraib, boil over.
My native skepticism bids me not be over-optimistic.
We'll have to see whether the RNC and Olympics will drown this out, or the lapdog media find excuses to give the Rethugs a pass on this, or this indeed will amount to something.
I go widely off topic here to bring home a point: whether Kerry wins or loses, we've got to communicate to all the Company people, in the Mossad or the CIA or the employ of the House of Saud, playing spy vs. spy while gambling on energy futures is one hell-bound train for everyone.
I agree: I made a Table of what some key people at the moment were doing during the Iran/Contra scandal.
What I don't understand is why the Kerry campaign isn't making sure that everyone knows what he did during that time.
Didn't someone accused of claiming a medal he didn't earn go home and shoot himself? Someone in the Clinton administration?
Navy Chief of Staff Admiral Mike Boorda
What is encouraging about this development is that some within the internal organization of the Pentagon are fighting back, and have been for the last two years.
and "amen" to Tena's comment:
"I don't think Bush is really all that good for business in general."
too far is too far, but then we still have the problem of breaking this "rob. rinse. repeat." cycle...
Didn't someone accused of claiming a medal he didn't earn go home and shoot himself? Someone in the Clinton administration?
They hounded Admiral Michael Boorda , who was Chief of Naval Operations, IIRC, over a "V" for Vietnam on one of his service medals.
The sad thing is, I believe it was later determined that he was indeed entitled to the decoration in question.
Glenn Reynolds would like to announce that this is far too confusing for him to understand.
Yep, heaven fucking forbid that those dirty, smelly hippies should voice their opinion. I bet some of them might of even been listening to the Grateful Dead too, horrors!!
Well, I'm interested in everyone being able to voice an opinion. Hell man, I probably have been listening to the Dead a lot longer than you have, you stupid cocksucker (I guarantee I can get much fucking nastier than you can).
I'm also interested in getting those people out of the White House, and I happen to think that images of middle 'Muricans' protesting and rallying in New York, like we had in 2003, is much more effective than images of forty and fifty something hippie-looking people, along with a few younger ones, in the propaganda wars against these guys.
anonymous in nc-
A decoy? I hope not. I hope some patriots at the State Dept. or the CIA went public to cut out the Bush-appointed cancer at DOD.
I hope the FBI turns Franklin. It all has to come out.
Perhaps this is the reason Powell isn't speaking at the convention.
Glenn Reynolds would like to announce that this is far too confusing for him to understand.
Glenn's a simple man.
Bite it, kid. I'm not interested in how nasty you can get. And keep your sick sex fantasies to yourself.
I heard that John O'Neill has been so motivated to get John Kerry because he is guilty that he raped an 11 year old girl and then blew her head off.
Has anyone else heard this?
Has anyone else heard this?
No, but making such accusations without evidence sounds like a Rove ploy.
Some barbed wire "Hippie Zones" are called for, methinks. Keep those nasty long haired freaks out of the limelight, dammit! Perhaps a million or so middle-aged white men in neatly pressed suits marching in the streets of NY will be enough to win the propaganda wars for the progressive left.
GOP Convention A Disaster Waiting To Happen?
Maybe George will tell some more WMD jokes. Where are those dang thangs.
MY PLAN FOR THE MEDIA. Since I'm tired of whining without providing any tangible plans to improve the situation, here's my own personal plan for a better news media...
Steps:
(1) Buy some monkeys.
(2) Buy the monkeys nice clothes.
(3) Buy the monkeys a camera, a desk, and 4 clocks.
(4) Set the monkeys' clocks to four different time zones (no matter which). Hang these clocks behind the monkeys.
(5) Film monkeys with a constant loop of that day's "Democracy Now" playing as the audio feed.
(6) When ratings dip, get monkeys drunk. REAL drunk.
(7) Repeat steps (5) and (6).
The best part is that WE get our actual news and the idiotic media executives who demand some stupid looking creature on the screen at all times get what THEY want!!! Win-win!
Also, due to facial similarities, certain monkeys may be used as stand-ins when President Bush won't grant an interview...
Bitch all you want, but hippies are bad media for libs.
Yep, anyone who isn't wearing a starched white shirt and a DNC approved protest sign should be discouraged from having an opinion.
Anyone who thinks that the media won't be searching to portray this in the worst way possible, hippies or no hippies, is hopelessly naive.
I suspect that in the next week or so Brit Hume will be branding all who question the violations of security in the Pentagon as anti-semites. You do know that in freeperville it's common knowledge that all liberals are racist, don't you? Expect nothing from this and you won't be disappointed. They will spin this as a technicality, nothing more. Within ten years it will be the US Army shooting kids in the occupied territories (or wherever Israel expels them to). Sorry for being pessimistic but I think recent history bears me out. IE- Ken Lay's virtual chairmanship of the Energy Commission, WMDs, Swift liars, and on and on.
WAR IS PEACE
IGNORANCE IS TRUTH
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
or their intellectual progency (sick)
I like that, I just can't find it in Webster's. Progency - really like it; sometimes we just need a new word, or term. Proginate, proggywoggy.
Intellectual seed.
Intellectual spore.
Intellectual love juice.
Intellectual droppings.
There! Intellectual droppings.
or their intellectual droppings
There, I feel much better. Continue, please.
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Lilbrarian - It won't be easy to break that cycle unless it breaks itself. It could, for awhile anyway.
Thing is, businessmen can add and subtract and they look at the numbers out there every day and for the most part, it's been the shits the last 4 years and declining. Deficits do matter, and millionaires really understand that; it's one reason many don't pay their bills.
Jim Rasmussen
How hard is it to get monkey shit off of a camera lens?
Can anyone explain the following conundrum to me? On the one hand, we are playing footsie with Likud. So much is crystal clear. And Iran is supposed to be the enemy of both the US and Israel. So why were we playing footsie also with Chalabi and other spies for Iran? (The selling of dual-use stuff to Iran years ago, I get. Mr. Cheneyburton gives not one shit about who the enemy is when it comes to making simoleans.) But why are we working both sides of the street here? Can anyone un-confuse me on this? Whisky Tango Foxtrot!
One thing you have to say about millionaires - they didn't get there being dumb, unless they inherited their wealth.
which leads me to ask how come bloomburg and pataki are rich?
but i take your point tena. i've read those notions too. of course bush is not really a conservative in the conventional sense, he is a religious ideologue, and that is a far more intractible than being a political ideologue. it's also why we are so FUBAR in this 'wa on terra'
and of course we know how bush got his wealth.
The monkeys will be diapered for our viewing pleasure. Remember, we're trying to get shit off TV news, not introduce more.
HeavyJ: I don't mean 'decoy' as in 'nothing to it', but I suspect that Franklin is one of the minor players, tossed out to feed the press pack and divert attention from the other fuckers.
He's the 'Terror Alert' neocon, if you like.
If this doesn't get covered on the Sunday mornings, I would like those in NYC during next week to hit Russert, Stephanopoulos, Scheiffer, and Blitzer with sticks. Repeatedly.
Bitch all you want, but hippies are bad media for libs.
*sigh*
Expect nothing from this and you won't be disappointed.
Sadly, I think you've got it. Nothing will happen.
Meanwhile, Wisconsin, Missouri and Florida have turned from light blue to light red, and the K/E campaign continues on the High Road to Hell.
Some barbed wire "Hippie Zones" are called for, methinks. Keep those nasty long haired freaks out of the limelight, dammit! Perhaps a million or so middle-aged white men in neatly pressed suits marching in the streets of NY will be enough to win the propaganda wars for the progressive left.
Well, perhaps when all the networks just show images that help to marginalize the Democratic party in the eyes of "middle America," along with the Republican party's images of Arnold and the other moderates, and costs Kerry some poll points, it'll work for you.
Whether we like it or not, image is everything in America. Michael Deaver told the networks "we control the pictures, you can say what you want," basically, and we had images of Reagan chopping wood and whatnot, and nobody listened to what was being said.
The Republicans have perfected that concept. But we all know that. It is frustrating, but true.
images of forty and fifty something hippie-looking people
Sounds like a bunch of baby boomers to me. Scary!
I hope they stay down in hippie Greenwich Village, Ferrante. I'd hate for undesirables to mess up your nice upper east side neighborhood.
I suspect that in the next week or so Brit Hume will be branding all who question the violations of security in the Pentagon as anti-semites. You do know that in freeperville it's common knowledge that all liberals are racist, don't you? Expect nothing from this and you won't be disappointed. They will spin this as a technicality, nothing more. Within ten years it will be the US Army shooting kids in the occupied territories (or wherever Israel expels them to). Sorry for being pessimistic but I think recent history bears me out. IE- Ken Lay's virtual chairmanship of the Energy Commission, WMDs, Swift liars, and on and on.
WAR IS PEACE
IGNORANCE IS TRUTH
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
and the K/E campaign continues on the High Road to Hell.
Huh? This, while Kerry gets a turn-out of 20,000 today?
And while there is an active Republicans for Kerry group working in the swings states? (www.republicansforkerry04.org)
Where's that "Democrats for Bush" group that'll cancel out the cross-over Republicans? And don't tell me Zell-out. He's a parade of one.
Oh this is too funny - there's an argument starting up over the media value of hippies. I think the story was made up - it just sounds like it to me.
People aren't going to decide whether or not to vote for John Kerry based on seeing some kid in a Phish shirt on TV. They're going to vote for him or against him based on issues. This convention will be a dim media memory in less than a month, especially when the next "Laci Peterson" rears it's ugly head.
Perhaps if you go down there with a couple dozen boxes of starched white shirts and some hair trimming accessories, you can plead with the hapless hippie filthbags to tidy up in case some news crew shows up.
CNN 10:00pm broadcast - leading with RNC, Laci Peterson, NYC subway bomb plot foiled.
CNN 10:00pm
571,000 Viewers
0.2% of population
CNN will take over the Tick Tock Diner, located one block from Madison Square Garden on the corner of 34th Street and 8th Avenue, for the week of the Republican National Convention in New York, beginning Monday, Aug. 30.
Outfitted with burgers, shakes, television monitors and wireless access, the CNN Convention Diner will provide an alternative location for delegates, newsmakers and members of the media to watch CNN broadcasts and mingle with CNN anchors. CNN’s Crossfire will air from the diner daily at 4:30 p.m. (ET) before a live audience of delegates and invited guests. Additional CNN live shots will also originate from the diner. The CNN Election Express, the network’s mobile newsroom, will be located outside the diner for the entire week to assist CNN broadcastings throughout the day.
How does CNN afford something like this with only half a million viewers in prime times?
images of forty and fifty something hippie-looking people
I think all this vietnam talk got these people awake again. we just have to hope that they will vote. IF the preznut did one thing perfect for Kerry, he got the democrat base more engaged than Howard Dean did.
It's getting kinda interesting with all of these demonstrations being planned. And the protesters are getting smart; they aren't publicly aligning with Kerry.
Is the term 'Apocalypsoholic' applicable here?
Just asking.
Josh is withholding something. He only talked about 3 unauthorized meetings. In Bush admin culture, it is no big deal - I mean, it is serious, but tectonic plates will not shift. There must be more to this story.
Unless Niger forgery is connected with the neocons/Cheney, we cannot bank on this to throw the election our way.
STOP CALLING THEM NEOCONS!!!
They are Republicans!
Otherwise they come off looking like some low level MPs following orders!
REPUBLICANS! REPUBLICANS! REPUBLICANS!
Can anybody tell me what the origin of
"mars bitches" is. I've heard & read this a lot, but so far nobody can tell
me who said this first, & in what context.
i am loving how folks are relaxing about this election from the rethug end; i have seen other polls where Kerry is leading in florida and ohio while not losing one of the Gore states.
do the math -- the electoral is blue this time around
Bank the forgery link.
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Never trust a hippie
'Cause I love punky Bambi
--Sex Pistols, "Who Killed Bambi?"
i like it jim, as i said i also like flying monkeys. don't watch it too much but sometimes i tune in just to see dennis miller's chimp, or should it be chimp's, dennis miller?
jeebus, our govt. is engaged in internecine warfare, while what i think actually is an ever expanding AQ based terrorist threat is plotting and planning. dumbasses.
when chimps engage in warfare they always go for the testicals first. rip 'em right off. as my kung fu teacher used to say "end of fight" go CIA.
Note the isolation of Sen. Zell Miller on this page:
D.I.N.O.'s For Bush
Also, notice Bush's COMPLETE lack of any pro-Women laws here. That is pathetic! There's a whole "W stand for Women" section, and all it does is repeat the idea that women are more secure from terrorists over and over again. What about clinic bombers Mr Bush? What about women stem cell researchers who might get in the way of one of your supporters and their pipe bomb, Mr Bush?? What about the economic terrorism your maternity leave and pro-HMO health care laws have inflicted on American women, Mr Bush? What a mockery, Republicans pretending to care about women... That site shows what they really think about women, vulnerable sacks of meat to "protect" from dark-skinned people men so they're easier for white men to victimize.
Kate- As far as I can understand it, this is the story:
1) Chalabi was, unknown to his handlers in Feith's office, working with the Iranian government. When US official found this out, he was dumped, (Bush told Jordan's King Abdullah that he could "piss on Chalabi.")
2) According to Wahington Monthly, people in Feith's office, (including some outside creeps from Iran-Contra) were running a rogue operation to support Iranian dissident groups, without approval from higher-ups, and in fact, contrary to direct NSC orders. (that last part is HIGHLY suspect)
3) One of the guys in Feith's office passed info about Iran (or U.S. Iranian policy) to Israel via APAC. The FBI may be using this to get him to “roll” on his buddies.
4) False claims about uranium from Niger and Saddam-Al Qaeda ties came through Feith’s office. Take your pick as to the source of those (Chalabi, Iran, Israel, etc…)
All of these scandals are separate, but they have one common component: Feith’s office. Either Feith’s boys were making up U.S. policy as they went along, or they were acting under White House orders. Either way, it’s the worst political scandal since Watergate, but our media is dysfunctional.
Oh well.
Has anyone else heard this?
No, but making such accusations without evidence sounds like a Rove ploy.
patriotboy
Or LBJ. I mean, let him fucking deny it, eh?
Whatever happened to Hadley & Joseph?
Just asking.
there's no question that neocons are traitors using the power of the US military for their own purposes, contrary to the purposes of the American people.
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check out this theory at daily kos, that the administration is the one that forged the uranium from niger documents and that this whole thing will explode during the rnc. don't know if i believe much of it.
Either Feith’s boys were making up U.S. policy as they went along, or they were acting under White House orders
It was probably a little bit of both; just be very worried if Rummy is cut loose -- we'll end up with Wolfowitz and that isn't exactly warm and comfy
Just watched a very good movie"Bon Voyage" Now I will go fix my first drink of the night. Then I will start reading these comments. But first, I am going outside and for a while "DANCE IN THE STREET" We might be in for some fun!
Protesters at Home of Swift Boat Backer
Lets see some fuckers frog walk over this!
Not only should the EC be abolished, a stake should be put through it's heart, it should be doused in holy water and then left outside at sunrise and it's ashes should be scattered to the four corners of the Earth.
The scandal-plagued Bush administration.
The [i]SCAN[/i]dal-plagued Bush administration.
According to a senior official, the White House spy scandal was . . .
The Republican official did not return phone calls seeking . . .
The scandal-plagued Bush administration and Endtime Fellowship Society.
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Protesters at Home of Swift Boat Backer
If I lived in Houston I would be organizing like a mofo to get O'Neill disbarred and protesting Perry just like they are doing; if you sit on your hands, these chowderheads see this as weakness and continue digging the same ditch.
Make the accountable.
QC- > and
Wow, that's strange. What I was trying to say is that Haloscan likes greater + less than symbols, not brackets.
But why are we working both sides of the street here?
We've been trying to work both sides of the ME for decades now; in fact, it's even been the same people. Who gave money and weapons to AQ and Saddam? We did!
It was even Rummy and Cheney and GHWB specifically, with some help from other cicada-like politicos (Negroponte, Abrams).
Over at the agonist, they have some sort of post up about Richard Perle being implicated and that the French secret services have been monitoring some of his meetings there ??? This is the post in question (i don't know what the context is).
DEAR LAURA,
YOU ARE RIGHT THAT DR.LARRY FRANKLIN MIGHT BE A SCAPEGOAT IN A MUCH LARGER AND MORE IMPORTANT AFFAIR.
FOR SOME TIME NOW THERE IS A SECRET FBI INVESTIGATION INTO THE ACTIVITIES OF DR. RICHARD PERLE, CONCERNING IRAQ AND IRAN. PART OF THE INVESTIGATION IS BEING HELPED BY THE FRENCH COUNTER-INTELLIGENCE SERVICE, THE D.S.T. IT CONCERNS DR.PERLE'S SECRET MEETINGS IN FRANCE WITH ISRAELI AND RUSSIAN ENVOYS.
THIS TRAIL MIGHT BE VERY INTERESTING.
BEST REGARDS
DAVID M. DASTYCH
JOURNALIST
david.dastych@neostrada.pl
2004-08-28
Posted by: David M. Dastych at August 28, 2004 11:45 AM
Whatever happened to Foley & Joseph?
Anyone...?
anyone...?
Australian Prime Minister John Howard has called a general election for 9 October.
link
I hope they stay down in hippie Greenwich Village, Ferrante. I'd hate for undesirables to mess up your nice upper east side neighborhood.
Look, Haleydog, it has nothing to do with that. Do you live in NYC? Besides the fact that I wish I could afford to live in the Village, East or West, since it is significantly more expensive than where I live, now (I would move there in a second), I didn't mean to sound like I was looking down on anyone. I was just thought the crowd would be more "mixed," and was concerned with how the media will show it.
I was just concerned about the media prism. I guess I expressed myself poorly.
Oh this is too funny - there's an argument starting up over the media value of hippies. I think the story was made up - it just sounds like it to me.
Tena, If you're talking about what I saw, well, I was there. You don't have to believe me.
It was just that I had thought that a bunch of Atrios people were coming to NYC to protest, and I hadn't read anything here of anything anyone saw, so I thought I would write what I saw, and how I thought it would look on the news.
People aren't going to decide whether or not to vote for John Kerry based on seeing some kid in a Phish shirt on TV.
BlakNo1, you have much more faith in people than I do.
Whatever happened to Dr. Robert G. Joseph?
Anyone...?
someone...?
which leads me to ask how come bloomburg and pataki are rich?
Bloomberg had a great idea; people like news in sound-byte form for their drive to work or running in the background of your trading office.
He's a crazy politician (recycling, firehouses, atkins comment), but I met him before he was Mayor and just a really rich guy, and he impressed me for two hours. But I am easily impressed.
IT CONCERNS DR.PERLE'S SECRET MEETINGS IN FRANCE WITH ISRAELI AND RUSSIAN ENVOYS
If this lands on Perle's doorstep, you can kiss the preznut goodbye. The dems can tie this around his neck and strangle him with it.
Feith, Rummy, Wolfie and Perle sold this Iraq debacle with Chalabi taking the checks out the back door.
This is, to quote John Dean, "worse than watergate." But I'll be patient for now
ecoast: I'm certain there's more to this, and Plame-related. Waiting for Fitzgerald to go public, perhaps?
Not at all, I have faith that the average ADD-afflicted TV viewer will forget this convention by the end of the Labor Day holiday.
I also have faith that our beloved SCLM will do anything, hippies or no hippies, to make the protesters look like godless liberal scum.
Never forget that Bush lost the popular vote by 500k, and that Kerry leads in the all important Blue electoral college.
Nothing else matters, really.
Do you honestly think that more people will be voting for the man who brought death in Iraq to so many proud Americans, the man who lied about the war, the man who ruined our economy with his no millionaires left behind tax policies (no tax cut promises now to sway Joe and Jane sixpack that they really, really are getting ahead), the man whose economic policies now have millions more out of work, the man who cut veteran's benefits, (just the anti-Bush veteran vote will be enough to sink him), yadda, yadda, yadaa.
Bush will be history in 2004, make no mistake about that. What won't change if we don't win back at least the house or senate is the total devotion of the right wing to destroying democracy and Kerry. What won't change is the right wing media breaking Kerry's balls at every given moment, what won't change is the the total adoration of the right wing agenda that is present in today's media.
Kerry will be president, no doubt in my mind, but what a price he and our democracy will pay when Bush is defeated.
Mishimishi:
The context of that message (from the agonist) is as one of Laura Rozen's commenters (War and Piece blog) from her post this morning. Caught my eye, that's fer dang sure.
And not just because it was all caps.
She's a top-notch reporter and has all the dirt on these neo-con monkeys. She co-wrote the piece just put up on WM with Marshall and Glastris.
FWIW.
BN1, Haloscan is weird, and like all its ilk, literal.
Yesterday I discovered that one cannot post a solitary character. I was correcting something - well not actually correcting the actual thing but, you know, adding a replacem...well not a true repla - hey before I get too lost in GodelEscherBach recursive knottism - anyway, tried the one letter and it just smiled back at me. Got out and back in, nope, not there. Replicated a time or two, then figured the designer, on some level, saw a single character post as not a worthy participant in reality.
Creation is trade-offs.
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all this talk about "how libruls look" really is interesting.
consider that our system is based on the electoral fucking college. we don't have direct vote, so we have to play by the electoral vote system.
this means entire areas of the country, and in particular, certain states, become of huge importance, particularly relative to their overall contributions to the state of the union.
these states, typically, are not known for being havens for the pony-tailed 50-something, or kids in goth or phish or string cheese incident shirts. in fact, if people like this exist there, they tend to leave.
and they leave because these places, these electoral college key states, are more intolerant, as a whole, then other places.
which all adds up to one thing: our country is being held hostage by a few states and their back-asswards inhabitants, intolerant fucks who end up determining things like, oh, who ends up being preznit.
scary, ain't it?
this is why i wish CA would secede. first we split off, then we subjugate nocal for its water and forests. and then we relocate the 9ers and raiders to LA. hahahahaha.
(just kidding, nocals)
Kerry will be President of what?
The Divided States of America?
The Drafted States of America?
The Bankrupt States of America?
Whatever happened to Dr. Robert G. Joseph?
Whatever happened to Dr. Robert G. Joseph?
Anyone...?
someone...?
Sumwon?
I also think that all of these scandals will be pushed under the rug, participants will be pardoned, and we will be back to bashing Teresa for her ketchup and trying to cripple Kerry in every way imaginable.
Republicans have NEVER, NEVER, NEVER
Phredd, that Tick Tock Diner is an imitation! The REAL Tick Tock Diner is in New Jersey
Neocicadas.
Neocicadian nightmare.
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further down on the same agonist link, they talk about a story that says this:
Yet according to Green, in March 1983, Feith, then a Middle East analyst on the National Security Council, was fired by Judge William Clark, who had replaced Richard Allen as national security adviser, because Feith "had been the object of an inquiry into whether he had provided classified material to an official of the Israeli Embassy in Washington" and that the FBI "had opened an inquiry."
Former Counterterrorism Chief Vince Cannistraro confirmed that Feith was fired from the NSC for leaking classified data to Israel.
!!!!!
and they hired this guy to work for the DOD?
and the same link says this about Wolfowitz:
Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, who an administration official described as having played a "large role in getting Feith" his current job, was working for the Arms Control and Disarmament agency in 1978 and was the subject of an investigation that alleged he had provided "a classified document on the proposed sale of U.S. weapons to an Arab government to an Israeli government official" via "an AIPAC intermediary," according to Green. The probe was eventually dropped.
in fact, if people like this exist there, they tend to leave.
Yep, and they end up becoming my neighbors!!
Man, I love Somerville, MA...
The other problem with these people popping up again and again is that they don't learn anything. The thing I found most offensive about the whole Iran-Contra business was that these guys disagreed with the explicit directions of Congress, and so they decided that, instead of trying to get the laws changed, they would just violate the laws and to hell with the Constitution. Oh, yeah, and they would lie about what they were doing, too. Is that or is that not exactly what's going on now?
If these fuckers had been slapped down hard in the 1980's, they would not be pulling the same shit now. I'm convinced of this. Bush I and Reagan have a lot to answer for. Reagan is probably already doing his time; Bush I is going to find a much less sympathetic judge when he shakes off his mortal coil than he had during his lifetime.
TO: Kerry/Edwards 2004
FROM: Your Faithful Supporters
SUBJ: The Rest of the Campaign
Go get James Carville and Paul Begalia and put them on special assignment for debate preparations, general message discipline and catchy one liners to pin on the Shrub.
Your campaign needs more than a narrow victory; you need a mandate bigger than the Preznut's to reverse the crap he left you. A pair of media assassins are required. You are going to have to get mean and ugly to widen the gap on the electoral college - you need two/three southern states to go your way to show it's not a coastal phenomenon, and you'll gain some seats in Congress by 2006.
Please go get Carville and turn him lose on Rove; the cajun is smarter than roveboy and he's also more audacious.
It's time to get bold -- announce it right after the Preznut accepts his nomination -- the same night. Don't telegraph your punch, just make sure that Carville runs the spin on Bobo's speech right out of the chute as your form of the truth squad. And make sure Tad and the happy farm stick on message.
If you get Carville you widen the gap and add a back alley toughness to your campaign. DO IT NOW!
Someday Cafe regular, Blak?
I'm trying to wrap my brain around this whole mid-east thing. The Iranians and the Israelis are spying on us. According to polls aired at the time, The average Kuwaiti didn't like us after we kicked Sadddam's troops out. The Iraqis didn't wleocme us with flowers and open arms and Saudi madrasas are responsible for large numbers of educated terrorists with access to wealthy financiers.
Why can't main-stream media report the truth; Americans(and many, many more Iraqis) are being killed and injured in the name of big oil and war profiteers.
What can we do about it? I've written emails to many media oulets, as I know many others on this site and other's have as well, is it really helping? I really want to believe it.
cont.
been able to win on the merits, win on their issues, they only win with dirty tricks, with extreme scorched earth tactics, with hiding the damage that their agendas cause.
Truth be told, if all of the Rethug's war on democracy and the common man were ever detailed, they would never win.
Remember it was the dems who got all of the programs we take for granted passed (Social Security, medicare, etc.) and the Rethugs opposed them all. If the Republicans had their way we would have children working in sweat shops as the norm, no social security, medicare, medicaid, no workman's comp, no disability payments for those no longer able to work, no minimum wage, no overtime, no regualted work week, no vacations, no holidays. They opposed all of these things as undue burdens upon business. That is what the dems stand for, help for the citizens of this great land as corporations have a history of taking advantage of workers.
We are proud dems and we will win decisively in Nov.
Ferrante - well, you can look at it this way, from my perspective: if we have to spend all our time worrying over whether people have the right "look", rather than what their ideals are, then we are officially Republicans. And I pass. The stupid media can make and will make of it and everything what it will. There are all kinds of people in this country and this world, and one of the main reasons I'm a Democrat is because my understanding of that ideology is that it is more accepting, more tolerant, more understanding of more people. So I don't basically guess I give a shit what my mother's cousin Marge in Smith Center, Kansas, will think of "us" if they see "hippies" demonstrating against Bush.
Thank God we can count on JK to take care of these Iran-Contra-BCCI-bastards once and for all...
Riiiiiight?
If Cali separates from the United States, then that means that Ah-nuld is the Preznut of this mofo?
I can't handle the thought of this!
syntallic, Carville is not a Cajun. Cajuns are French speaking people living in Louisiana and the Canadian provinces of Nova Scotia and New Brunswick. Carville might be from Louisiana, but I have yet to hear him utter a word of French!
Oh, so when he calls himself the "rajun cajun" he's shaping the message?
his momma might be Cajun, but he's got to speak some French to convince me! and i don't mean a "merci beaucoup".
this is why i wish CA would secede -Jim in LA
Can Oregon go with you?
Someday Cafe regular, Blak?
I don't drink coffee, so that would be no. I do live in Davis however, so I'm by there often.
Newswatch on Faux just had one of the best, nay, the best group commentary on swiftboaters vs. journalism SO FAR.
It will be reshown.
(I kid you not.)
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The authority of Al Sistani over Iraq has been confirmed by the recent Sadr saga. He will decided what is going to happen in his country and everyone will respect his moderate voice, that much is clear.We can expect Iraq's interest foremost in the mind of Al Sistani not Americans nor Iranian. The Americans or their proxies can not be trusted with Iraq's future is the popular mandate in Iraq now. Al Sitani knows Iraq needs many years of peace to catch up with the rest of Arab Gulf Council countries in terms of real economic progress and real social benefits for the population. I can see the Europeans and other Asian countries doing a great deal. Besides the large oil base Iraq has one big advantage over its neighboring Arab countries is that it has a large educated and hardworking population. Iraq under guidance of Al Sastani has the potential to show the rest of Arabs a truly modern, advanced, secular Islamic neutral country. This absolutely clear now. (I am sure in free Iraq we will see greedy Sadr as Defense Minister or whatever post is his pay off) Meanwhile the Americans in trying to dominate the political process in Iraq will diminish there own chances of truly heralding the arrival of a modern Iraq. If somehow Pentagon can stop looking with pro Israeli eyes and more American eyes, Americans still has a chance to salvage the situation in Iraq easily by (reversing to) those qualities for which America is really admired for, by a wide majority of the world's population. Namely by applying American empathy, freedom, sensitivity and fairness to those afflicted. I can not see it happening though, probably not when Cheney and Rumsfeld's team hold sway in Washington.
Okay, if the problem is that the story is too complicated for the ADD American people, let's see if we can't condense it into a simpler form.
How about this: under this President, the nation's secrets have been sold to the highest bidder, whether that bidder is our ostensible ally (Israel) or someone we've called part of the "Axis of Evil" (Iran). How many good ol' boys and girls would like to think that their country is being bought and sold to foreigners and the President is sitting back and letting it happen?
Isn't that a story we can sell?
syntellic - advising John Kerry to hire James Carville is like trying to put tits on a boar - they don't go together. Let Kerry the hell do what he is doing his way, it's his campaign and he's doing fine. James Carville? Are you crazy? One liners? We don't need a sodding standup comic; we need a president. With gravitas - these are not easy times.
right on, mishimishi ... i don't know a thing about louisiana except that the politics are more corrupt than texas and massachusetts combined.
and we need carville back now
It's basic communications theory that people are more trusting of people who look like them. It's human nature to fear that which is different.
When the average swing or undecided voter sees hippies supporting Kerry, he or she does not identify with them. They see them as being "other," someone who should be treated with suspicion. A few pictures probably do not matter, but many do. Before long, those voters will identify carry as being part of the "other."
If you don't believe this, look at the Matthew Iglesiases of the world. Read their apologies for supporting the war. The subtext of their excuses is that they did not want to be identified with the fringe. Sure, they're elitist assholes for being that way, but they were also acting on a basic human impulse--the fear of that which is different.
I have no problem with hippies. In fact, I wore my hear to below my shoulder blades for many years. I'd be betraying my education and experience, however, to claim that photos of them supporting a candidate helps that candidate, It doesn't it hurts them.
The media loves to show pictures of free-spirited people at demonstrations. It fits the sixties era caricature they have in their heads about what a demonstration is about. Watch them at the next demonstration you attend, and you'll see it. Those are the pictures they publish. That's what Joe Swing and Jane Undecided see, and they are not hippies.
Really? I just gave up coffee, after switching to Fair Trade first.
Maybe I'll catch you at the Other Side, if you make to that side of Charles.
Hmmm, I can't get washingtonmonthly or nyc indymedia....
Ferrante - well, you can look at it this way, from my perspective: if we have to spend all our time worrying over whether people have the right "look", rather than what their ideals are, then we are officially Republicans. And I pass.
Tena,
I understand. You're right, of course, but I'm also torn. My problem is that I worry too much. I follow every nuance of this election and get too emotionally involved with every twist and turn.
I just believe that it's Georgetown-Villanova, 1985. In other words, in order for Kerry (or whomever the Dem candidate would have been), to beat Georgetown he has to play the perfect game because everything is stacked against him.
And I wish we lived in a country where, presently, a Paul Wellstone could have a hope of becoming President. But, we don't.
A successful Kerry presidency might at least be a step in that direction.
So sometimes I do get too wrapped up in whether your mother's cousin Marge in Kansas will be affected by what she sees on TV.
-Night.
I prefer my caffeine cold.
Occasionally, I can be spotted riding my Specialized to my friends place in Allston Village, I assume that's what you mean.
Tena: as much as I hate to admit it, our vast and disturbed electorate "loves" the oneliner that sticks. Expecially when it involved satire at the expense of your opponent.
Shit, I wish politics were the Lincoln/Douglas debates. I'm educated; I could follow along.
But most of our people are actually getting convinced that Darwin was a fool and are hooked on NASCAR. And these Rove types like to get into the gutter, which, unfortunately, is where our politics reside nowadays. If you think otherwise, take a good look at the Swift Boat exercise. It's proof positive that we need a back alley fighter who'll work the media and shape the nightly message as good as Rove does.
Campaigns and speeches aren't politics; the back room deal is. Wake up!
patriotboy - Ok, ok. I just somehow don't really think it's something that is going to make any difference.
And besides, we only have some commenter's word for it that these people were or looked like hippies. Right?
that's the problem with vicious cycles.
I apologize for the long response in advance -- I am burning hot over the Swift Boat thing.
I am from Massachusetts -- we already know that Kerry is the real deal on his medals and service.
...it’s the worst political scandal since Watergate, but our media is dysfunctional.
As an example, from the NYT:
"I don't believe a word of it," Mr. Ledeen said. "This story is incoherent, it makes no sense. Anyone who wanted to know about U.S. policy on Iran could just read The New York Times."
As Josh Marsall points out, Ledeen himself, unknown to the Times, is at the core of the scandal.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/2...tics/
29spy.html
Re: Bush photographed wearing a ribbon for a citation he did not earn.......I am almost physically ill at hearing this one. My father, who served 22 years in the USAF, earned the Presidential Unit Citation (formerly Distinguished Unit Citation), the AF Outstanding Unit Award, the AF Longevity Service Award, Small Arms Expert Marksmanship Ribbon, Republic of Vietnam Campaign Medal, Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal, Vietnam Service Medal, National Defense Service Medal, Joint Service Commendation Medal, AF Commendation Medal, Meritorious Service Medal, Air Medal w/ 1 bronze oak leaf cluster, and the Distinguished Flying Cross. He EARNED them. He risked his life for a year when he VOLUNTEERED to serve in SEA. How dare that fraud occupying the WH put on a ribbon he didn't earn??? I am going to go puke now. My dad must be turning in his grave.
Blak, please tell me you're not the guy who goes....
"Eeeeeeehhhhhh!...Eeeeeeehhhhhh!"
on the chopper bicycle...
Not that there's anything wrong with it...
I'm not so sure the cicada analogy is a good one. Although it's true that cicadas are often quite annoying when they rear their ugly heads, they are benign creatures and actually serve a useful purpose on earth.
My problem is that I worry too much.
We can't be second-guessing ourselves about what's acceptable to swing voters. We need to make or break now based on what we are, not what the media presents us as.
Pleasant Dreams.
syntallic - Kerry has over 20 years of experience in making back door deals. Wake up!
Y'all act like he was just inducted into politics yesterday and you old hands feel the need to tell him how to do it all. Good Christ - quit believing quite so closely in the polls. Kerry is doing fine.
Is Israel's deliberate, bipartisan (labor is easily as bad as or worse than likud) determination to forbid world peace, destabilize and terrorize and so on and so forth not really that bad because of the Holocaust? What does that mean for Koreans, who went to Stalinism because of all the cuddling and absolutely free financial gifts their loving and caring white invaders were lavishing upon them? Is that making the whole heroin, terror and revenge thing all right for the KLA? And what will that mean for the Palestinians who, rather than being able to cough up an odd individual here and there, all live with a current memory of institutionalized racially motivated evil? Maybe we cannot condemn the bombers of children because of some categorically evil thing that happened to the bombers. And maybe there is nothing that is an excuse for evil, not even different, greater evil.
I swear I'm not that guy, but he amuses me no end.
If nothing else, that tells me for sure that you're a Bostonian.
You bet your T Pass.
people, people. take it from this aging punk rocker: if you're worried about what the people at the barricades look like in front of the tv cameras, fix your hair, put on your favorite shirt, and get the fuck out there and push them out of the way. they're stoned, you're wired on caffeine, no contest. that's what we did in '84.
remember that scene in 'X' where malcolm has his troop of FOI's in starched white shirts marching in formation? goose bumps. no violence. like scoop nisker said: if you don't like the news, go out and make some of your own. hell, more than half of you are mass communications grads or postgrads - you know what colors show up well on tv. start planning now, and see you in NYC!
"I don't believe a word of it," Mr. Ledeen said. "This story is incoherent, it makes no sense. Anyone who wanted to know about U.S. policy on Iran could just read The New York Times." -
That's funny. On a blog today..TODAY...I saw Mr. Ledeen claim that we had NO Iran policy. Mikie better check with his daughter...he seems terribly outta the loop. Fucking liar.
kei & yuri - I agree that Israel is guilty of much of what you accuse it . However, you always act as though Israel is unique in this. It is not. Israel is acting pretty much as most of the major players act from time to time. Certainly, we do; we're doing a bang up job of it lately. The USSR did it all the time. It's not forgivable on the part of any country. But I do not find it exactly seemly to single Israel out from amongst such other impediments to world peace as Saudi Arabia. Ya know?
Tena,
No one has to tell me how Kerry operates; I voted for him several times when I lived in Massachusetts and I know how tough he is; but he is losing the media war, not the stump speech war. He is allowing the Rove folks to dictate the nightly coverage and the nightly topics on hatchet man tv.
Every time Pat Buchanon makes an appearance we need another back street fighter to appear right next to him. A guy with a southern accent would go nice for the trailer park crowd.
No one was ever better at attack tactics and spin than Carville. Tad Devine tries, but no one outside of New England can understand him. I think you may need to wake up -- again, my apologies -- and the stakes need to be raised.
The Palestinian people might just want to live a normal life in their own state; their problem is that their leaders have never put forth a viable plan for peace. If they had accepted Barak's proposal; they could have had their own country by now. Arafat doesn't want the hassle of building an infrastructure; there is more money in terrorism and being the poor underdog.
The Palestinian people might just want to live a normal life in their own state; their problem is that their leaders have never put forth a viable plan for peace. If they had accepted Barak's proposal; they could have had their own country by now. Arafat doesn't want the hassle of building an infrastructure; there is more money in terrorism and being the poor underdog.
Maybe I'll catch you at the Other Side, if you make to that side of Charles.
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 08.28.04 - 11:51 pm | #
the OS Cafe is still open?!! do the original owners still run the place? my wife worked there one summer years ago making smoothies while i worked at waterstone's. good to hear there's some left-of-the-dial people still occupying the back bay...
Israel is unique, and what's more, just like letting one criminal slip weakens the entire legal system, so the world can be in several respects said to have been held back thanks to our completely insane support of it. The whole thing would not be a problem if we treated Israel like any other country, or even like an ally like Britain. It is Israel's unique relationship with us that is the problem and it will probably still be the problem next time we are bombed for it.
syntallic - Honey, I knew there was no way to win the media war before we even had a nominee. We never could "win the media war" with this media. As far as I'm concerned, we've done remarkably well. And Kerry has in some ways by-passed the media altogether and has gone straight to the people.
Consider the numbers of people who continue to show up for his appearances.
this is why i wish CA would secede -Jim in LA
Can Oregon go with you? - kiki
absolutely.
we need the rainwater and the good karma. too many shitbags here in LA - you all will nicely counterbalance that, plus we're thirsty and our driveways need watering.
If they had accepted Barak's proposal; they could have had their own country by now
This is a lie that depends of ignorance of Barak's proposal: actually what they were offered, ten million little parcels separated and completely choked by the IDF and settlements, is pretty close to what they have now and nothing anyone would accept. It is also cute and possibly unconcious racism to imasgine that the onus for peace must be on the occupied.
The Barak "generous offer" is a myth. Simply looking at a map would prove this. All the Palestinians were offered were non-contiguous(sp?)hunks of land where Israel would still hold sway over water supplies, roads, farmable land, etc. Arafat would've been dead in a week if he'd accepted that offer, not that I give a damn about his corrupt ass.
Gee, I like hippies, though generationally I'm not supposed to. My current dilemma is a resistance to LaLeche League because our local branch has been torn from the hippies and taken over by crazy Xtian homeschoolers. Bring back the patchouli-soaked mamas with their long gray hair and tie-dyed baby clothes, I say.
kei & yuri - If Israel is unique, then so is Palestine. Look, I don't want to get into a battle over Israel - it's a no win battle, whether the Israelis are knocking down houses, the Palestinians are blowing up buses or you and I are discussing it all on a board. Here is my absolute bottom line attitude on that situation:
There are no good guys and no bad guys in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.
The media loves to show pictures of free-spirited people at demonstrations. It fits the sixties era caricature they have in their heads about what a demonstration is about. Watch them at the next demonstration you attend, and you'll see it. Those are the pictures they publish. That's what Joe Swing and Jane Undecided see, and they are not hippies.
patriotboy
Yeah, say the word "protesters" to an American, and many will think "hippies" or "weird-ass, giant-puppet-wielding anarchists" or whatever "fringe" image their mind evokes.
Say the same word to Europeans, and THEY think of workers, the "common man", the tradesmen, whatever, citizens expressing their RIGHT to disagree with those in charge.
Why are words like "protester", "liberal", "democratic" and even "social" tarred with such negativity in this country? Change for the good comes by questioning and challenging the status quo, as far as I can see...
NYMary - Say on, honey. Those ladies with nice motherly unfettered breasts, which have seen no bra since 1968.
Anyone watching W on CNN?
How much Reagan era Kool-Aid did people drink to hate the so called hippies?
The brilliant offer Israel never made
Barak's proposal for a Palestinian state based on 91% of the West Bank sounded substantive, but even the most cursory glance at the map revealed the bad faith inherent in it. It showed the West Bank carved into three chunks, surrounded by Israeli troops and settlers, without direct access to its own international borders.
The land-swap that was supposed to compensate the Palestinians for the loss of prime agricultural land in the West Bank merely added insult to injury. The only territory offered to Palestinian negotiators consisted of stretches of desert adjacent to the Gaza Strip that Israel currently uses for toxic waste dumping. The proposals on East Jerusalem were no better, permitting the Palestinians control of a few scattered fragments of what had been theirs before 1967.
Barak offered the trappings of Palestinian sovereignty while perpetuating the subjugation of the Palestinians. It is not difficult to see why they felt unable to accept. The only surprise is how widely the myth of the "generous offer" is now accepted.
Way too much.
Tena, baby. National elections are bigger street fights now more than ever. Have you ever been in a street fight?
It ain't about being right or wrong, it's about who hits the hardest first. It's about who controls the agenda; it's about shaping the nightly discussion. And the reason why our media is leaning right is because they have succeeded with the strong-armed intimidation tactics.
It's why conservative radio is a success; they pick a fight and finish it at the same time. It's what got Clinton in the White House while being a draft dodger and a cheat on his wife; meanwhile, we have a much cleaner character with real medals this time and he's being colored a traitor and liar?
Tena, baby, darling, sugarpie ... go do some remedial reading on marshall mcluhan ... "At the speed of light, policies and political parties yield place to charismatic images."
And, sometimes, "Mud gives the illusion of depth."
I was, of course, referring to the kool-aid question.
12:11 wasn't me
Yeah, Other Side...Wheatgrass with a smile...but you have to smoke outside...again.
Tena,
Instead, it's now all women in long jumpers who meet in evangelical churches and look askance at those of us who send our kids to school, or god forbid go to work ourselves. Terrifying, really, to have a window into that alternative culture.
Bed now, school tomorrow. Play nice.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_ne...ics/
3608006.stm
Howard hits out at Bush aides
Mr Howard was reportedly told he would not meet Mr Bush
Tory leader Michael Howard has hit out at White House aides after he was told he would never meet President Bush.
The Sun reported senior aide Karl Rove told Mr Howard in February: "You can forget about meeting the president full stop. Don't bother coming."
The officials were reportedly furious at the Conservative leader's call for Tony Blair to resign over the Iraq war.
Mr Howard said he would carry on doing his job as he saw fit and accused US aides of trying to protect Mr Blair.
"A Conservative government would work very closely with President Bush or President Kerry, but my job as leader of the opposition is to say things as I see them in the interests of our country and to hold our government to account," he said in a statement released on Saturday.
"If some people in the White House, in their desire to protect Mr Blair, think I am too tough on Mr Blair or too critical of him, they are entitled to their opinion.
"But I shall continue to do my job as I see fit."
The row runs contrary to a tradition of political alliance between the Republicans and the Tories, epitomised by the friendship between Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan in the 1980s.
Phredd: How does CNN afford something like this with only half a million viewers in prime times?
Im guessing it's paid for out of their cut (say, 0.0000666%) of the $8.8 billion missing from Iraqi reconstruction funds.
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Each time the fan's hit
I think, "down go the assholes"
Then nothing happens
Im guessing it's paid for out of their cut (say, 0.0000666%) of the $8.8 billion missing from Iraqi reconstruction funds
Jeffraham Prestonian, thanks for making me laugh!
all throughout these olympics I have found myself rooting for the smallest country in the competition.
so today it was the italian basketball team
Before older articles are supplanted by new ones, google for Larry Franklin
and explore his hair-raising history.
(To avoid getting articles about the musician, add a word like Feith to the search.)
Remember this sabotage of talks with
Iran?
http://reg.smh.com.au/login.do?
s...0145871467.html
From the NY Times
Former colleagues said that Mr. Franklin was a Soviet analyst at the Defense Intelligence Agency who transferred to the Middle East division in the early 1990's. He learned Farsi and became an Iran analyst, developing extensive contacts among Iranians who opposed the Tehran government.
"He was a good analyst of the Iranian political scene, but he was also someone who would go off on his own," said one former defense colleague.
Although Mr. Franklin worked as a Middle East policy officer, a defense official said he had no effect on United States policy and few dealings with senior Pentagon officials like Mr. Wolfowitz. At one point in the run-up to the Iraq war in early 2003, Mr. Franklin was brought in to help arrange meetings between Mr. Wolfowitz and Shiite and Sunni clerics across the United States, a defense official said.
from F.B.I. Said to Reach Official Suspected of Passing Secrets
By JAMES RISEN
Published: August 29, 2004
Distancing already?
Joshua Marshall has his new post up in The Washington Monthly.
clever
tectonic plates finally shift!!!
(check out JMM)
Why is Atrios insulting innocent cicadas?
Nitwit
Put two and two together, they show up about the same time, make a mess of your windshield, wap you about the face, and drone on and on and on.
Now if they are in Texas. it used to be a summer past-time to strap a blackcat on one, light it and throw...if only....if only it were that easy
tectonic plates finally shift!!!
I dont know if we can say that yet.Tho it does sound as if theres some very dubious goings on in our government.
The Agency believes Ghorbanifar is a serial "fabricator" and forbids its officers from having anything to do with him. Moreover, why were mid-level Pentagon officials organizing meetings with a foreign intelligence agency behind the back of the CIA -- a clear breach of US government protocol?
Breach in protocol?In other words something that should *not* have been going on.
This *could* go as high as Condiliar.
So, do tell, why did you choose to break haloscan, agave?
rorschach
4:00 am? too much vodka? It wasn't intentional, a lame attempt at humour, but my bad.
Didn't do this time, tho.
You know, it's kind of interesting that the December 2001 meeting in Paris between Franklin, Rhode, Ledeen, and Ghorbanifar came just a month before Bush's infamous Axis of Evil quote in the January 2002 SOTU address.
The "Axis of Evil" phrase, as we all know, was the brainchild of AEI Fellow David Frum.
Another example of what we all know to be true: AEI has been running our Middle East policy since Bush took office.
And who does the NYT go to for verification of the Franklin/mole story? AEI fellow Michael Ledeen.
CNN will doubtless point the camera at AEI fellow Bill Schneider when they see fit to cover the story.
Newt Gingrich, Jeanne Kirkpatrick, Richard Perle and Bill Kristol will probably also be in demand this weekend, to provide a measure of balance to the reporting.
Un. Be. Fucking. Lievable.
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I totally agree about Carville... but his wife works for dick "fuck off" cheney, right?
That said, there were tables set up around the area where the fountain is, with people selling all kinds of anti-Bush stuff to raise money for the Greens and other groups that were there.
Now the part that is going to piss everybody here off: It was a freak show. It looked pretty much like a big bunch of hippies of all different ages.
I left the park after a couple of hours hoping that these people get no press, because that would be a loser in the propaganda wars.
The key word here is "Greens." The one good thing Ralph Nader did in 2000 was make the Greens well enough known that anyone seeing the scene you described would attribute the hippies to the Greens, not the Dems.
You don't have to be clean for Gene --
Just say you're a Green!
tectonic plates finally shift!!!
(check out JMM)
Sorta, but consider this more like an early tremble. This isn't the story, as such, from what Josh is saying. This is a quick response piece by him and his co-authors saying: 'Don't look at Israel so much as looking at Iran. Don't look at Franklin so much as Rhode. And look very hard at Michael Ledeen.'
It's a way of redirecting attention on why the leak was made on Friday, and also 'takes ownership' on behalf of JMM & co.
There's a lot more to come on this.
D'oh! Forgot to take off my Feith mask. 1:00 am post was mine.
June,
Yup, his wife is a rethug. But it never got in the way with Clinton. We just need a hooded snake to go for the killshot on the preznut's stump speech.
The U.S. Government IS "dubious"...
Always has been.
Always will be.
The Palestinian people might just want to live a normal life in their own state; their problem is ...
Their problem is that some fuckwits are still peddling that long-discredited "generous offer" shit.
The leak was placed the friday before the RNC coronation for a reason.
the Valerie Plame affair, the statements on iraqi WMD, chalabi and the fake memo about nigeria and the beating that the intelligence services have been taking is all part of this mess.
the core of this is certainly iran and not israel -- and many of these players are tied to Iran Contra .. as soon as I saw Khashoggi's name I almost puked
we've got a atrios 357 heavy at 5,000 ft requesting permission to land and refuel
Ciao bambinos! I have the week's protest lineup at the RNC posted at my site, if you're curious.
United for Peace and Justice is fixin' to break the law tommorow and march to central park...an run around naked! oh those crazy flower children!
Seems to me...
NY Harbor could use some tea...
My ex-husbands family and friends thought i was high maintenence and troubled, so one time when he screwed something up i told him to blame it on me, he did and it totally worked. that's what isreal is doing for it's master and patron-the u.s.
so i'm not going to get my hopes up yet that this will take down the evil bu$h cabal...lets see if they really did fuck-up.
the problem is the open door between think tanks, government service and media is so f*cked up that a player could hide in a virtual sleeper cell for years --- at least until a party reclaims the white house, which is the case with the Office of Special Plans here
Heck if Martha Stewart can do time, isn't there some provisions in the Patriot Act that could land Perle, Feith and Rummy in the Pelican Bay with the sex offenders?
Paul Glastris has just posted a link saying that this is just the first installment. So yes, expect more -- I hope soonish.
Latest from the Washington Post.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
wp...004Aug28_2.html
Right on, high-maintenance Anonymous.
Israel is one utilitarian bitch.
I mean, how else could the U.S. have nukes in the Middle East.
Apocalypsoholics, untie!
kiki: Jeffraham Prestonian, thanks for making me laugh!
You realize, of course, that even that insignificant-looking percentage I quoted was nearly $6 million...?
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So I guess this means that we can expect someone to get fired now right?
Right?
right?
smalfish: right?
Crazy? Yeah! Crazy like a FOX!
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You realize, of course, that even that insignificant-looking percentage I quoted was nearly $6 million...?
Oh yes. Fucking hilarious.
Get your popcorns, the real show is starting.
it will be proven finally that Bush is not stupid as many would like to believe. Bush is lazy, crazy, mean, nasty but not stupid. He approved all of these actions including the SWB liars attack on Kerry.
And how will that go down Snoopy?
But I do not find it exactly seemly to single Israel out from amongst such other impediments to world peace as Saudi Arabia. Ya know?
Saudi a risk to world peace....with all that oil that we'd kill for? Israel has a bunch of Likudniks on amphetemines pulling the levers in Washington and living on life support from Congress. What was so wrong with Oslo that Sharon had to torpedo it, then take a provocatory walk around Al Aqsa?
If I may quote a Spanish acquaintance of mine...
International terrorism is not the danger we’re told it is. The number of victims from terrorism is small potatoes compared to the victims of US arms dealers. When the moral ledger for the US ever opened, its presidents are going to head the world ranking of serial killers and traffickers of weapons of mass destruction, above and beyond anything from Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein or any other reptile. I don’t barter my political, civic or ethical convictions for a gallon of gas. Besides, they won’t give me any. They’ll keep it all for themselves.
Hes a little bit of the why from the Knight Ridder news service.
Posted on Sat, Aug. 28, 2004
FBI espionage probe goes beyond Israeli allegations, sources say
By Warren P. Strobel
Knight Ridder Newspapers
WASHINGTON - An FBI probe into the handling of highly classified material by Pentagon civilians is broader than previously reported, and goes well beyond allegations that a single mid-level analyst gave a top-secret Iran policy document to Israel, three sources familiar with the investigation said Saturday.
The probe, which has been going on for more than two years, also has focused on other civilians in the Secretary of Defense's office, said the sources, who spoke on condition they not be identified, but who have first-hand knowledge of the subject.
In addition, one said, FBI investigators in recent weeks have conducted interviews to determine whether Pentagon officials gave highly classified U.S. intelligence to a leading Iraqi exile group, the Iraqi National Congress, which may in turn have passed it on to Iran. INC leader Ahmed Chalabi has denied his group was involved in any wrongdoing.
The linkage, if any, between the two leak investigations, remains unclear.
But they both center on the office of Undersecretary of Defense Douglas Feith, the Pentagon's No. 3 official.
Feith's office, which oversees policy matters, has been the source of numerous controversies over the last three years. His office had close ties to Chalabi and was responsible for post-war Iraq planning that the administration has now acknowledged was inadequate. Before the war, Feith and his aides pushed the now-discredited theory that former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein was in league with al-Qaida.
No one is known to have been charged with any wrongdoing in the current investigation. Officials cautioned that it could result in charges of mishandling classified information, rather than the more serious charge of espionage.
The Israeli government on Saturday strenuously denied it had spied on the United States, its main benefactor on the global scene.
The American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the powerful pro-Israel lobby that top officials said is suspected of serving as a conduit to Israel for the mid-level analyst, also has denied any wrongdoing.
That analyst, Larry Franklin, works for Feith's deputy, William Luti, and served as an important - albeit low-profile - advisor on Iran issues to Feith and Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz.
Franklin, a former Defense Intelligence Agency analyst who lives in West Virginia, could not be reached for comment Saturday.
Investigators are said to be looking at whether Franklin acted with authorization from his superiors, one official said.
Two sources disclosed Saturday that the information believed to have been passed to Israel was the draft of a top-secret presidential order on Iran policy, known as a National S
...we can expect someone to get fired now right?
Not Secretary Rumsfeld! He's doing a superb job. He's the best SecDef ever!
the preznut may not be as stupid as he looks, but the real problem is that his laziness at the controls has compromised our government's role and reputation. By appointing the Rummy's of the world, he reached back to the same gutter personnel department; and hence, he's accountable for their actions.
he should do the perp walk like Scott Peterson
I don't see any reason why we shouldn't let Israel have documents concerning Iran. Israel is the first one that the weapons will be used against. If the US wants to look the other way when/if Israel takes down the nuclear facilities, then they certainly should be privy to what we know about it.
If they don't want Israel to do it, then we would have to do it, or Israel will be in great danger. Not just Israel but the rest of the world. Israel shares intelligence with the US; why is it such a big deal if we share intelligence with Israel. We are on the same side and we fight together. Who cares if the Arab world cries like a bunch of babies. They are the enemy, not Israel.
I think this was some lame tactic by the left to cause havic in the Bush administration.
Whoops that was supposed to be a snippet. sorry
her is the point I was trying to identify.
Two sources disclosed Saturday that the information believed to have been passed to Israel was the draft of a top-secret presidential order on Iran policy, known as a National Security Presidential Directive. Because of disagreements over Iran policy among President Bush's advisors, the document is not believed to have ever been completed.
Having a draft of the document - which some Pentagon officials may have believed was insufficiently tough toward Iran - would have allowed Israel to influence U.S. policy while it was still being made. Iran is among Israel's main security concerns.
no no no not the dreaded Norma!
Norma, tell us the truth--is there a man under that drag costume you're wearing?
snoopy...
You do mean Bush Sr., no?
Bush Jr. makes Charlie McCarthey look existential.
ya, thanks syntallic, but what i'm wondering is if she does work for cheney then thats sort of working for the president (cause dubya is just the cowboy/good ol boy-puppet) then i think there must be some moral law that forbids a wife working for the prez while her hubby is working to bring him down? never mind the good hearted dinner time debates over policy and such...so is she getting her pay check from the "V.P's" office?
Re: denials from Israel and AIPAC, and you imagine them saying:
"Yes, he was passing documents to us. You caught us! Good work. Can we still have $10+ billion in aid from the US every year? Heh, heh."
Of course they are denying it!!
I think this was some lame tactic by the left to cause havic in the Bush administration.
Havoc is the natural condition of the Bush administration.
Fuck off now, mishit.
I think this was some lame tactic by the left to cause havic in the Bush administration.
Yes, there are a lot of lefties running the show at CIA, State Dept., and Justice.
In case you haven't noticed, there is currently a war going on in this country, with the CIA and State Dept on one side, and the cilvilian leaders of the Pentagon on the other.
(The name Achmed Chalabi ring a bell?)
This is the latest volley.
So, how's that Hussein trial going?
Norma is a mishit sock puppet (ie, "Joe Knecht"). Ignore.
Norma from Missouri
You crazy wingnut.What do you think is the problem with it?You dont think giving away of TOP-SECRET intelligence is no problem?
According to you and all other wingnuts our foreign policy should be an open book to all but the American public.
Why not let Isreal have acess to all our nuke secrets?
Oops!
Why not let ehm see all our plans to invade Iraq?oops.
But really this issue *is not* about Isreal anyway.
I could care less about Isreali intrest in what we are doing,tho I dont think we should be giving them state secrets.
It is about breaking U.S. law.
But you wing nuts dont care about law,you only care about sexual practices of other people!
Law is what you serve on democrats.
Law is for drug addicts unless your name is Rush.
Law is not for the likes of good hearted thugs who wish to give our enemies a head start on blowing up our national landmarks.
...some lame tactic by the left to cause havic in the Bush administration
Meanwhile, trolls continue to cause havoc in intelligent minds by misspelling and misusing the English language.
Yes, U.S. law is sacrocanct.
It can not be wrong.
It must be observed.
Let's give the pResident authority to declare war.
Oh, that's not Constitutional?
OOPS!
Oh, Sen. Kerry?
more on SPOOKS...
tune into the latest edition of WALRUS. a canadian periodical.
read the article entitled FRONT MAN.
i won't go into all the issues that are raised by this bit of investigation at this time.
you can do it for yourselves.
have a great sundae.
The real issue: Bush is incompetent
authority based on a rethug crafted lie that looks like it was leaked to iran and israel in the mean time?
are u freakin kidding me? this is starting to look and feel like the reich-ministry of party propaganda now --- all we're missing is the brownshirts and red arm bands
sorry, anon, your boy king is about to do the perp walk
The other issue:
Kerry trusted incompetent Bush once...
and would do it again even though there's no WMD's.
What do you call a man who trusts an imcompetent liar and would do it again once he knows better?
Answer: The Democratic Candidate.
"I don't see any reason why we shouldn't let Israel have documents concerning Iran. Israel is the first one that the weapons will be used against. If the US wants to look the other way when/if Israel takes down the nuclear facilities, then they certainly should be privy to what we know about it.
If they don't want Israel to do it, then we would have to do it, or Israel will be in great danger. Not just Israel but the rest of the world. Israel shares intelligence with the US; why is it such a big deal if we share intelligence with Israel. We are on the same side and we fight together. Who cares if the Arab world cries like a bunch of babies. They are the enemy, not Israel."
Norma from Missouri |
Scary part is..I suspect this is the way Feith thinks!! And if Israel and US interests were identical they would stop building settlements in the occupied Palestinian territories.
Nice, Anon
Statement: He campaigns as a champion of smaller government but is greatly increasing the size and role of government. Ideological conservatism, it turns out, costs just as much, or more, than ideological liberalism. Conservative and liberal politicians are both for increasing the reach and power of government. The difference between them is which parts and functions of the state are to be empowered and financed. The choice is between military measures and order, or more redistribution of income. Money is power.
Answer: Your boy king who has destroyed the legacy of Ronald Reagan and the conservative agenda that has shaped the last 24 years of our political dialogue
It's now over -- Nero is fiddling -- the pendulum is now swinging back
I smell the Defence Policy Board, Richard Pearle in particular.
A couple of thoughts
1. The president is incompetent.
Have you ever considered he never intended to be the president we expect?
2. The administration and its minions are incompetent.
Have you ever considered they are jsut going through the motions? Their focus is elsewhere?
Bush may actually be very competent at what he is doing. Meanwhile he is providing the leeway for his folks to follow their "priorities"
Just cruised the DKos threads and I have to say, the old-school blog tradition of rigorously insightful debate has fallen into registration only, and inherantly shallow, echo- chamber type locales.
Atrios, as a regretfully former Whiskey Bar regular, please keep your forum an open one, trolls and malcontents and all.
I'm genuinely afraid your type of open network is on the extinction list.
This, from a former excoriator of troll nourishing meal providers.
and by the way, Anon, thanks for admiting that he's a liar (your boy king named Bobo)
My boy king? More like the naked emperor I never asked for.
Switching streakers doesn't seem like change to me.
It would be funny to see Kerry win now.
Imagine...
the Kerry depression...
the Kerry draft...
Priceless.
Of course, just as funny under Boy King.
The choice is between military measures...
King Kerry: "I will double the size of Special Forces."
I wouldn't be so worried about Kerry as the destruction of your party as you knew it; whereas the "L" word used to be demonized by neo-cons, I know sense that conservatives are about to be banished to the back seat for a longer period of time -- say 30 to 40 years or more.
wait til they get control of the congress, then the fun will begin. Can you imagine that democrats are shortening government and actually appear more moderate than rethugs this go round?
right wingers are now so far right, they're left!!!
the bitter irony
So Annon,Whats your alternative?Ralphie?
You are as bad as the trolls wandering the wasteland known as America.TO vote for Ralph is to fall for the status quo.You may htink otherwise saying we need to send a message.The only message you and all the ralph followers are sending is "Bush,your the man"Like it or not this is truth.You better see it before it bites you in the ass.
And compassionate conservative is as dusty and tired as the new deal .. go figure
My party? The Anarchists?
Nah. We're fine.
Watching the Left & Right squabble over which fascist is better.
High comedy.
Does anybody have the link to the interview with Karl Rove the other night in which he kept referring to the protesters as Democrats. I can't find it on this site or dailykos (i saw it here or there on Thursday. Please let me know...cause I'm in the middle of a blog post (lol)
Why Are We Back In Iraq?
tired of the elephant, I have to disagree with you about dKos. I find the debates there are substantive, intelligent and rigorous. It's the rating system, I believe, that forces people to be considerate about what they post, i.e. must have value to the topic at hand, must add to the debate, no trolls inserting meaningless drivel.
That said, I love Atrio too because it is a completely open forum, you never know who's going to drop in, there's lots more funny stuff here, we can trail on in stream of consciousness manner and have fun kicking trolls around occasionally.
High comedy....To the naderites is watching America fall apart.
Vote? Why the hell would I vote?
Here, you vote:
A. Herpes
B. Genital Warts
C'mon, don't cop out! Pick one!
A. George Hitler
B. John Mussolini
C'mon, you have to make a choice. Pick one!
I hope Kerry doubles the size of the special forces -- if you're going to fight a reasonable war on terror, backdoor drafting reservists to fight a terror campaign is like saying ... "if you have to jump in front of a subway train, wear reeboks!"
I'll take the responsible alternative, thank you for pointing out another Preznut Bobo ultra-failure
If they don't want Israel to do it, then we(the USA ?) would have to do it, or Israel will be in great danger.
Well, we don't want any Israelis to die when we could easily "nuke" all the Arab, brownskin, Muslims without risking many American(or any Israeli) troops.
I'm sure you'll accuse me of being an anti-semite. I'm not in that group. However, other than the oil, please provide me reasons why Americans should support Israel when Israel offers us so little.
Failure? You mean you don't like the idea of allowing mercenaries to commit war crimes?
Then why vote for Kerry whose Plan Colombia relies on just that?
You really should get that other eye fixed.
if you don't vote, you have no reason to complain, you little bitch
I'll take the herpes your momma gave me and spread them to hitler
that spells AA ... maybe you should try that meeting out sometime cuz your points remind me of Otis the Drunk in Mayberry
you still livin in a trailer park, sparky? they teach history where you reckon you're from?
Give me Mussolini
At least he didnt kill millions of innocent civilians for a religious belief.Like dear leader.Would Nader even have the moral fortitude to fight anywhere is was completely necessary?Could he even command respect of the armed forces?I thnk not in either case.
Nader-just not for American politics.
So a Hitler loving herpes spreader.
I knew it syntallic...I could just tell.
Anon, why don't you get a little informed for a change.
The vast connection of PMC's (private military companies) was orchestrated by this administration and they are responsible for issues such as Abu Ghraib, among other lovely atrocities.
Google Executive Options sometime, you'll get the picture, you dumbshit
Anon, why don't you get a little informed for a change.
The vast connection of PMC's (private military companies) was orchestrated by this administration and they are responsible for issues such as Abu Ghraib, among other lovely atrocities.
Google Executive Options sometime, you'll get the picture, you dumbshit
At least he didnt kill millions of innocent civilians for a religious belief
Who voted to give Dear Leader the authority to kill?
Who lacked the balls to say that he'd never trust Dear Leader again, but instead would give Dear Leader the go ahead to go to war even if there were no WMD's?
Why, none other than John "Mussolini" Kerry.
Proud?
King Kerry: "I will double the size of Special Forces."
Hmmm, double the number of Special Forces, who are specially trained to fight terrorists, have extensive education in language and culture, train in small close-knit teams, go live among and befriend civilian populations...
Sounds like a better way to fight terrorists than dropping huge bombs on a city of millions to try to kill a handful of insurgents. I think we'd get better results and less collateral damage, i.e. dead civilians.
Google "Dyncorp" and "Plan Colombia" bitch.
Then Google "Plan Colombia" and "John Kerry".
Bush~Kerry
Same Shit
Different Asshole
Will you be proud when you help bush steal another one?
Sheesh get a grip pal
Did anyone get a blowjob?
almost 1000 killed for what? another 6000 wounded, many of which horrific wounded, over a policy failure and an imperialistic agenda
and anon sits there wondering what choice he has in this election?
maybe another hit off the crackpipe is what you need. cuz clearly you are coming down from something other than logic
that's what the primaries were for -- and now our system has whittled it down to 2 or 3 candidates (depending on how green you want to go)
i know it sucks to be non-descript and without an understanding of anything -- addiction will do that to you after a number of years
I didn't help Bush steal anything.
Were you proud when Kerry refused to support the Black Caucus?
that's what the primaries were for --
Let me guess annon.You didnt vote in the primaries because you wanted to send a message that the party had abandonded you.
Tell the truth.
Kerry=Multi
Bush=Uni
Nader=Nothing
Kerry=All people
Bush=white rich people
Nader=ghost people
are you quoting the cato institute, craphead?
here's a quote: The centerpiece of the Bush administration's "supply side" campaign against illegal drugs is staunch support for the Colombian government's "Plan Colombia." But the facts show that the plan is a waste of time and money.
Washington is backing Plan Colombia to the tune of $1.3 billion, primarily in military aid. Green Beret personnel are training several anti-drug battalions, U.S. funds have helped the Colombian military buy Black Hawk helicopters and other hardware, and employees under contract to the State Department fly dangerous aerial spraying missions to eradicate drug crops.
and here's the link in case your as stupid as you sound
Plan Colombia: Washington's Latest Drug War Failure
Fuck off, Anon .. you can't even get the facts straight, creepy little retread shithead
I don't like Plan Columbia at all. But then Kerry doesn't seem to have a need to show up his father by invading a country either.
Kerry is not the perfect choice, nobody is. I think that we on the left understand that. We know that if two people agree on everything, only one of them is doing any thinking. The right ought to try that. Maybe they'd be nominating Hagel or McCain this week instead of the miserable failure.
Bush = Skull
Kerry = Bones
Nader = Spine...without muscle
VOTE SKULL & BONES!
KERRY~BUSH '04!
BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO REAL CHOICE!
i would actually consider Hagel, but not McCain after his disgusting little hustle with the Rove boys this month
he's a little scumbag too
BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO REAL CHOICE!
This is the first truth you have stated.
WHO WAS THE BIGGEST PUSHER OF PLAN COLOMBIA IN THE SENATE?
SEN. JOHN F. KERRY
Who helped implement it and was willing to lie under oath about FARC?
Rand Beers.
Know your history, dope.
BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO REAL CHOICE!
This is the first truth you have stated.
Who do you support, Anon? And how will supporting them bring about the type of America you want to live in?
Folks, notice the arrival of the greenshirt as soon as "Norma" is outed....
Don't you mean Hegel?
I happen to think that there IS A REAL CHOICE this time. Not because Kerry has all the answers -- no one does -- but because boy king bobo needs to go; it is truly a choice
i'll choose kerry over this repugnant little freak every time; and i have met kerry four times and he's the real deal
at least he won't piss all over the constitution for a change
Syntallic, I agree with you. I don't think we've even seen dirty politics yet.
I support myself. Voting is for losers.
I'm bringing about the conditions I want all the time
How about you?
Servant or self-sovereign?
Who do you support, Anon? And how will supporting them bring about the type of America you want to live in?
He's a bush backer.You can tell because this is the latest ploy from unkle karl.
If he was a naderite he would have come out with it already.
i would actually consider Hagel, but not McCain after his disgusting little hustle with the Rove boys this month
I wouldn't consider either one, but I'm a liberal. If I was a conservative, I'd have worked hard to draft one of them. The so-called conservatives in the Republican party are spellbound by Bush's cult of personality, they can't see what a bumbling fool he is. They remind me of the Red Guard under Mao. Even their rhetoric is similar.
Treason, lies, dead soldiers, pissing on the poor, character assasination - the American people don't care as long as Faux News doesn't report there was a blow job in the oval office.
The force at the core leading our cause forward is the Republican Party.
at least he won't piss all over the constitution for a change
You mean by refusing to relinquish Congress' Constitutional obligation to be the branch that declares War?
Pissing away that role and saying he'd piss it away again even though there's no WMD's?
Your man shat on the Constitution by doing so.
And brags that he'd shit on it again!
Same shit.
Different Asshole.
The Republican Party is the core of leadership of the whole American people. Without this core, the cause of capitalism cannot be victorious
You know this is very serious.
Reminds me of the first news that there was a " break in at the Watergate" ( Thank You Santa)
So it's FBI payback time? Why would they leak/announce this now right before the convention? I thought the CIA would turn on Bush big time...oh wait, that's the October surprise...I forgot.
An election is not a dinner party, or writing an essay, or painting a picture, or doing embroidery; it cannot be so refined, so leisurely and gentle, so temperate, kind, courteous, restrained and magnanimous. An election is an insurrection, an act of violence by which one ideology overthrows another
Anon,
Kerry doesn't sign legislation as a Senator and there are conflicting reports in terms of your slant on who crafted the policy, you vile little shithead.
Get all your facts straight before you babble incoherently.
Senator KERRY: What did you do with those drugs?
Mr. MORALES: Sell them.
Senator KERRY: What did you do with the money?
Mr. MORALES: Give it to the Contras.
Senator KERRY: All right.
But did the Kerry committee report find that the U.S. knew about Contra coke-dealing? Here's an excerpt from the executive summary:
[I]t is clear that individuals who provided support for the Contras were involved in drug trafficking, the supply network of the Contras was used by drug trafficking organizations, and elements of the Contras themselves knowingly received financial and material assistance from drug traffickers. In each case, one or another agency of the U.S. government had information regarding the involvement either while it was occurring, or immediately thereafter.
What was the response when the Kerry Committee report was released? According to a Lexis-Nexis search, only four major papers reported the committee's findings -- none on the front page. The NEW YORK TIMES' story, tucked away on Page 8, did mention one of the committee's more interesting findings: "The State Department paid $806,401 between January and August 1986 to four companies that distributed humanitarian aid to the contras but 'were owned and operated by narcotics traffickers.'"
YOU SURE YOU AIN'T JOHN O'NEILL??? You sure sound as pathetic and stupid as he does ... is someone in the Bobo campaign payin your dope habit? Again, another creep with a built in excuse, sucks to be terminally unique, don't it?
Make no choice, complain like a little bitch making 40 bucks for blowjobs
CBS News
Suspected Pentagon spy served in Israel
Reuters - 1 hour ago
A Pentagon analyst suspected of passing classified information to Israel served as a US Air Force reservist in Israel, The Washington Post has reported.
FBI Probes Whether Pentagon Official Spied For Israel
Political power grows out of the barrel of a M1 Abrams tank
I got a strange call tonight from a friend in Washington. She said/swore
Watch for a Swiftboat liar to flip this coming week standing by Kerry...(((((Elliot maybe?
Learn your history or keep spreading your legs like your mother, syntallic.
They must be genuine conservatives and not revisionists like Buchanan wearing the cloak of conservatism
patriotdude, I am more right wing than you are, I sense. mostly centrist in terms of trade and foreign relations policy.
i was a liberal in my younger days, but I can't bring myself to vote Rethug because of the policy of denying human and economic rights to "those people" - the ancient game of divide and conquer
those people being the dark people, the poor, the hard working idiot who pays his taxes and get f*cked for sticking to the game plan
folks, like anon, don't realize that our nation is built on dissent and protest and takeover ... it's regulated chaos that was designed to clean the system regularly and our friend/fiend anon needs an enema
Learn your history or keep spreading your legs like your mother, syntallic.
This is where the republican party is going.
Thanks for making that completely clear troll.
Learn your history or keep spreading your legs like your mother, syntallic.
This is where the republican party is going.
Thanks for making that completely clear troll.
keep spreading your legs like your mother, syntallic.
Oh, Anon is a thinking man.
From Swiss paper:
The newspaper on Sunday quoted a former colleague at the Defence Intelligence Agency who said the analyst may have been
based at the U.S. Embassy in Tel Aviv, but was never permanently assigned there.
anna claire -- great albeit expected news!
kerry is for real on the vietnam thing, and a great friend of mine (a republican no less for 20 years) is flipping to kerry because of what he did to tell the truth in 1971 (also a vietnam vet who recently had his PTSD therapy cut by the boy king)
this guy is so engaged in speaking to his war vets --- he thinks he'll flip a few more before election day
anna claire -- great albeit expected news!
kerry is for real on the vietnam thing, and a great friend of mine (a republican no less for 20 years) is flipping to kerry because of what he did to tell the truth in 1971 (also a vietnam vet who recently had his PTSD therapy cut by the boy king)
this guy is so engaged in speaking to his war vets --- he thinks he'll flip a few more before election day
Are we still looking at Franklin here?
patriotdude, I am more right wing than you are, I sense. mostly centrist in terms of trade and foreign relations policy.
I'll admit that the past three years have radicalized me. Bush's policies has caused me to rethink my positions on trade, but I've always been a realist when it comes to foreign policy. I just differ with the more conservative realists on what constitutes our national interest.
Bush's policies have...
patriotdude, take a look at some of the libertarian side a bit; the wolves is sheep's clothing like Buchanon are even adopting the slant for the inevitable rethug party alignment that is overdue.
these are clear policy lines that can be assumed by a reasonable democrat, even; how we have jacked up our economy by over-relying on china; how our border policy does not fit the homeland security model outlined by Bobo's cabal; how we are compromising our security through overextended military resources
we could have a much smarter and effective government is we put competent people in charge (that alone is worth my vote)
w w w . h a a r e t z . c o m
Last update - 08:02 29/08/2004
Analysis: Cold wind blowing from the CIA
By Ze'ev Schiff, Haaretz Correspondent
Before former U.S. Central Intelligence Agency head George Tenet retired, he made stinging comments on various occasions to Israeli officials in the intelligence community, especially the Mossad, saying Israel had a spy in America.
The accusation was rejected out of hand - Tenet was even loudly challenged to catch any such agent and expose him publicly. The exchange of remarks was passed on to Israel, evoking surprise at the political level over the accusations.
On Friday night, the American media revealed that an investigation was proceeding into a suspected Pentagon mole who was transmitting information to AIPAC (the American Israel Public Affairs Committee) and from there to Israel about the White House's war plans for Iraq.
A person named Larry Franklin was mentioned, who works in the office of undersecretary of defense Douglas Feith. Between Larry Franklin and Doug Feith there are at least three levels of bureaucratic hierarchy.
AIPAC insisted last night that it heard Franklin's name for the first time on Friday when investigators came to them. They also said that AIPAC provided the authorities with documents and information that investigators had requested or asked about.
In any case, it is difficult to imagine that an organization like AIPAC, considered professional and very experienced, would get itself involved in maintaining a mole in the American security establishment.
The timing of the affair's exposure is connected with the U.S. election campaign and the struggle against the group of neoconservatives in the administration, who are accused of leading President Bush to war with Iraq.
While AIPAC claims it never heard of Larry Franklin, he is known to the Israeli intelligence community. He has appeared more than once at meetings with Israeli intelligence, especially with military intelligence, mostly in a group setting.
Israel has noticed that relations between the CIA and the Mossad had begun to cool. Senior Israeli and American officials say the chill may have a number of causes. One might have been the leaking of secret material the Americans had given to Israel - for example, leaks from Israel about Libya's nuclear activity.
Another reason mentioned in the U.S. was the refusal of Mossad to pass on information on various topics to the CIA. This could not be verified by Israeli sources.
Israel, on the other hand, senses a refusal by the CIA to cooperate at a certain level on al-Qaida terrorism in East Africa, and even in their oddly ignoring an Israeli suggestion that non-conventional weapons were hidden outside Iraq. These are two issues of great interest to the U.S.
A third reason for the chill in the relationship was the claim that since Meir Dagan was appointed head of the Mossad, the personal relationship between the heads of the tw
JC Christian(or is it patriotboy?)
Your sarcastic writings are inspiring. How 'bout an ad-lib?
Syntallic,
There saying the mole was based at the US embassy in Israel. Who are we talking about now?
patriotboy is the General's inner Frenchman.
I'm sorry mg, but I'm too tired to do it well.
I wonder who would become prez if Cheney resigns first and Bush appoints a VP before resigning himself. hmmm
miguel
Can't remember who it was who pointed out the shame of having had Ford as "president", entirely unelected by anyone except Richard Nixon. The discussion about weighted voting is appropriate here. If our idiotic, 18th century, voting system were updated to allow a more rational way of choosing VP and of taking advantage of the fact that we have roads and even electronic communications now this doesn't need to remain a problem.
As to Georgus winning in November, it's possible, especially if we let down our effort to regain democracy but the McGovern campaign was a lot different than Kerry's has been. And people back then were a lot more naieve, they hadn't been through Watergate to its conclusion (it had barely begun to become public) and Iran-Contra.
People are always commenting on the ignorance and gullibility of the American public but remember they didn't vote for Little George in 2000 and Clinton was pretty popular on the day they impeached him. It is our press who are stupid and willingly gulled.
They are smoking out the mole by pushing Franklin's name.
Great post - Kelly - the moderates are trying to rope in the neo-cons and they are using the Israelis to isolate the connection with Iran.
The good news in all of this is that the speculation is a god-send for Kerry; the nightly "hack media" on FOX and MSNBC and CNN will keep filling in the gaps right through the election. Most of it will be bullcrap, but it stays in the news.
Kelly, just an hour ago AP reported that the mole was based at the US embassy in Israel. Are we still thinking that its Franklin?
Its off to never never land for this very smalfish.
LONG LIVE THE GENERAL!
An Haaretz article on something like this should be read as a dispatch from the Mossad, because it probably is.
meme, I don't profess to be a middle east expert. but if I was a gambler I would lay this out as a smokescreen.
I think the israelis are being flanked for something else, not that I am in love with the israelis or something
this is an enigmatic crap wand that is being waved above the Perle, Wolfie, Feith looney bin
but i am totally digging the intrigue in all of this. what if one of those chowderheads is the mole and what if one of the swiftboat liars comes back to the reservation with a great story to tell?
man, could the stars be aligned any better for a boy king downfall?
There were reports that Elliot Abrams was sent to Israel to tell Sharon that we would not support his Gaza plan. By the time he returned. We supported it. I'm rather curious how that happened.
there should be a comma after that introductory adverbial clause.
i heard that the other night when both of those russian flights went down, the preznut actually froze for another seven minutes.
wonder if he has PTSD over 9/11; if he does, then he knows what it was like to actually serve in vietnam
Thanks smallfish and maroon golf.
this is an enigmatic crap wand that is being waved above the Perle, Wolfie, Feith looney bin
Syntallic
Good point!
BLAAAAAAAAAM!
Here comes the next "Oh Shit" moment for the boy king and his court jester, rove:
Ex-lawmaker says he helped get Bush into Texas Guard : 'I got a young man named George W. Bush into the National Guard . . . and I'm not necessarily proud of that, but I did it," Barnes, a Democrat, said in a video clip recorded May 27 before a group of John Kerry supporters in Austin.
Barnes, who was House speaker when Bush entered the Guard, later became lieutenant governor.
The video was posted June 25 on the website www.austin4kerry.org, but didn't get much attention until Friday, when Jim Moore, an Austin-based author of books critical of Bush, sent out e-mails calling attention to it just days before the GOP National Convention starts in New York.
Bush joined the National Guard in 1968, at the height of the Vietnam War, and served until 1973. He has said he received no special treatment.
There were reports that Elliot Abrams was sent to Israel to tell Sharon that we would not support his Gaza plan. By the time he returned. We supported it. I'm rather curious how that happened.
patriotboy
Maybe he wasn't under oath when he said it. You've always got to get these liars under oath and even that's not a guarantee.
Given the amazing amount of press that the phony "scandal" Travelgate got, if this one isn't a major story then we can safely conclude that our press isn't important to our political lives and we are relieved of the burden of worrying about letting them protect sources and other perks they claim for themsleves.
Rights might be inherent but their exercise depends on context. We are fast loosing the context in which the Bill of Rights is a part of real life. You "journalists" will find that you can't do what you want to if the oligarchs get what they've almost got.
With all the shit going down against the Bush Administration the election is still a dead heat. I can't for the life of me understand shat the Bush supporters see in him.
I used to like to watch CSPAN's Wahsington Journal before work in the morning to get some news and listen to some inteligent debate but I can't anymore it's too frustrating. The Bush callers really seem to just not get it at all. The Bush supporters just don't get it.
Newsweek reports:
It was just a Washington lunch—one that the FBI happened to be monitoring. Nearly a year and a half ago, agents were monitoring a conversation between an Israeli Embassy official and a lobbyist for American Israel Public Affairs Committee, or AIPAC, as part of a probe into possible Israeli spying. Suddenly, and quite unexpectedly, in the description of one intelligence official, another American "walked in" to the lunch out of the blue. Agents at first didn't know who the man was. They were stunned to discover he was Larry Franklin, a desk officer with the Near East and South Asia office at the Pentagon...
...there was at least one other aspect to his background that caught the FBI's attention: although Franklin was not Jewish, he was an Army reservist who did his reserve duty at the U.S. Embassy in Tel Aviv.
Of course, Newsweek decides that the best way to 'get to the truth' is to call Michael fuckin' Ledeen.
shat = what
And here's the other shoe that's dropping since we did the "go it alone" foreign policy of Bobo:
Pakistan Losing Grip on Extremists
And at home:
Series of Misjudgments Cost President His Lead: As Bush heads to the Republican National Convention in New York this week, the man who stood astride the political world at that news conference in 2002 is a distinctly more life-size figure. With the election just 65 days away, there is a puzzle: How did a leader who was so formidable become so vulnerable?
syntallic: i heard that the other night when both of those russian flights went down, the preznut actually froze for another seven minutes.
The Secret Service failed to detect a stale, dust-covered attack pretzel in an adjoining room...
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And officials familiar with the case suggest that the political damage to Bush and the Pentagon may prove to be more serious than the damage to national security.
The newsweek article is a Gem!
Thanks Anon in NC
ha JP ... freakin bobo's still running scared since the day he "bought" his way into the chimpanzee division of the Air National Guard
I used to like to watch CSPAN's Wahsington Journal before work in the morning to get some news and listen to some inteligent debate but I can't anymore it's too frustrating. The Bush callers really seem to just not get it at all. The Bush supporters just don't get it.
Rocket Man
Washington Journal is a Republican soap box and always has been. Haven't done it but I suspect that a running list of the questions of the day over the past years would reveal an undeniable pattern of Republican promotion.
As to the polls, remeber how accurate those were in Spain last year? Dead wrong. I've got a feeling that the commercial polling companies are doing it on the cheap and skewing their methods to tell their corporate masters what they want to hear.
Do you think ABC is going to retain a polling company which tells Michael Eisner what he doesn't want to hear?
I agree the Newsweek article is a diamond in the rough, but this little thing has me baffled:
[Franklin] works in the office of Under Secretary Douglas Feith, a career lawyer who, before he became the Pentagon's No. 3, was a sometime consultant for Likud, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's political party. Officials say they have no evidence that either Feith or Luti had any knowledge of Franklin's discussions with the Israelis.
Franklin has also been among the subjects of a separate probe being conducted by the Senate intelligence committee. Part of that investigation concerns alleged "rogue" intelligence activities by Feith's staff. Among these activities was a series of meetings that Franklin and one of his colleagues, Harold Rhode, had in Paris in late 2001 with Manucher Ghorbanifar, the shadowy Iranian arms dealer made infamous during the Iran-contra scandal of the 1980s. One purpose of those meetings was to explore a scheme for overthrowing the mullahs in Iran, though Rumsfeld later said the plan was never seriously considered.
Everything about Feith falls into the "rogue" category -- there is a lot more to this story and the blood on the knife has to be Tenet, who is ticked about how the administration threw him under the bus.
This whole thing is gonna turn into a broad brush pre-election referendum on the Bobo foreign agenda; it's a cute distraction from the Iraq vote and into the cave where the shadows say something more than the facts on the matter.
If they have to pull down a couple of policy wonks in the process, it seems that the CIA is fighting back and hedging their bets now that they know that Bobo has signed onto the 9/11 recommendations, at least in part, to signal the end of the agency as we knew it.
I agree with you that it does go higher up, but they may go unscathed, especially if enough evidence is lacking or Franklin gets thrown under the bus like Tenet.
And don't forget Porter Goss, I don't think the CIA wants this guy running the show.
Someone remind me, as National Security Advisor, what exactly does Condi Rice DO?
1. September 11.
2. Iraq.
3. Plame.
4. Chalabi.
5. Khan.
6. Feith/Luti
Does she EVER advise the President that National Security is actually important?
EPT,
I agree about CPAN's Journal now but it wasn't always that way.
Rice and Rummy should have been fired Sept 12th. How did Rice and Rummy show up to work on Sept 12th.
Michael Kinsley's got a new piece:
There has long been mystery and controversy about what exactly Bush did in Alabama and whether he fulfilled his reservist's obligation to show up and sharpen pencils for 45 minutes every other weekend. This is different from today's National Guard and Army Reserve policy, under which a recruiting officer leads young people to believe they are signing up for pencil-sharpening duty and then, as soon as they've signed, shouts "Aha! Gotcha!" and ships them off to a distant war.
"Look, Larry," the president told Barbara Walters in a recent interview, "just because I got away with it is no reason they should get away with it." Although Bush has never said what he was doing when he was supposed to be sharpening pencils for his country, he has not denied published hypothesizes that he spent the period drinking, sleeping and watching sports on TV. "It sounds easy," said one Bush friend from that era, "but keep in mind that in those days there might be only one game on the tube at any given time."
Porter Goss is Dick Cheney's "mini-Me".
The Newsweek piece is interesting, but in keeping with a normal theme around here, look at the caption on the photo at the top of the Web piece And Now a Mole?. Seems that Newsweek hasn't looked at a map recently (Or Iran has now invaded Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, or Egypt?)
c.
what exactly does Condi Rice DO
I play piano, cook dinner for Gwen Ifill, moon over my husband...I mean the President, and lament the fact that there is no Silver Bullet.
And officials familiar with the case suggest that the political damage to Bush and the Pentagon may prove to be more serious than the damage to national security.
Works for me.
Jeepers H. Christmas! This entire Admin. is so utterly incompetent and corrupt that it blows my mind that almost half the country supports it. For shame!
And officials familiar with the case suggest that the political damage to Bush and the Pentagon may prove to be more serious than the damage to national security.
Works for me.
Rummy barely showed up on Sept. 11, and Rice. was probably cowering in an undisclosed location bunker with Cheney.
"'Look Larry,' the president told Barbara Walters in a recent interview..."
I don't recall Kinsley ever being funny before this.
BRILLIANT
If Israel is unique, so is Palestine--
yes, ever since Palestinian tanks rumbled into the Vale and drove the Jews out of Outer Russia, those Palestinians soon to receive billions in American money and a red, white anmd blue umbrella protecting the Palestinian Air Force from international law, the Palestiniwn Occupation of Eastern Europe has been just like Israel.
I'm infuriated at the NYT for their coverage of this...here is the text of a letter I just sent to the letters page and the public editor:
To: public@nytimes.com
Subject: Friends in High Places
To Whom it May or May Not Concern:
In James Risen's piece on 8/29/04, "F.B.I. Said to
Reach Official Suspected of Passing Secrets" the
reporter quotes Michael Ledeen, "a friend of Larry
Franklin", in the following segment:
>Michael Ledeen, a conservative scholar at the
>American Enterprise Institute who is a friend of Mr.
>Franklin, said Saturday that he believed the
>accusations were baseless.
>"I don't believe a word of it," Mr. Ledeen >said.
"This story is incoherent, it makes no sense. >Anyone
who wanted to know about U.S. policy on Iran >could
just read The New York Times."
I find this a very interesting take on Mr. Ledeen and
his relationship to Mr. Franklin, and the intelligence
world in general. Here is a quote from another piece
that is running today, this one in The Washington
Times:
FBI probes DOD office
By Richard Sale
UPI Intelligence Correspondent
8/28/04
(snip)
A great many examples of this was substantiated by
Stephen Green, a highly respected author of two books
on U.S.-Israeli relations, who, in a February article
in Counterpunch, noted that the Pentagon finally
downgraded Ledeen's security clearances from Top
Secret-SCI to Secret in the mid-1980s, after an
earlier boss, Noel Koch, the Principal Assistant
Secretary for International Security Affairs, had
urged the FBI to begin a probe of Ledeen, then a
consultant on terrorism, for passing classified
materials to a foreign country, believed to be Israel.
(Green notes that Ledeen "was carried in Agency files
as an agent of influence of a foreign government:
Israel," a fact he confirmed for UPI in an interview.
Former agency officials said they knew this to be
accurate.
In 2001, Ledeen was hired by Feith to work on contract
for the Office of Special Plans, which involved the
handling of sensitive materials, Green said, a fact
confirmed last week to UPI by congressional
investigators.
(snip)
Is it a fair characterization to describe Michael
Ledeen merely as a friend to Mr. Franklin and a
conservative scholar? Doesn't that leave out several
crucial pieces of information, and allow Mr. Ledeen to
comment on an investigation that may well include his
own activities?
Together with the New York Times' gross failures
during the leadup to the Iraq war, this appears to
continue a pattern of collusion with those who wish to
hijack the foreign policy of the United States for
their own agenda and personal benefit.
Shame on you.
Sincerely,
Atlas
I studied arabic in france. They wanted to know if anything fishy was going on at the school I attended.
Did they ask you about homophonic and homonymic activity? Yeah, I bet they did.
Very fishy that the Niger fraud doc and these meetings between Iranian dissidents and DoD officials both occured under the auspicies of the Italian intelligence service.
The story, according to these sources, fits in neatly with the anti-Semitic agenda of some in the US who are accusing Israel of being behind Bush's war in Iraq.
I know many right-wing Jews who thought supported the war because they thought Israel was getting the U.S. to do it's dirty work and don't even see the degree to which the funciton of Jewish neo-cons is not to provide a Jewish voice in BushCO but to be Stepin' Fetchit intellectual slaves providing cover for the Darbyists and military-industrial CEOs in charge.
The Jewish right doesn't even realize that they are the ones getting played in all of this - getting Israel to take the fall for everything.
Why does the Jewish right help promote anti-Semitism?
BTW - wrote a long letter to AIPAC. I urge all of my fellow Jews here to do the same.
Tell them that, if they want to help strengthan the Israeli-American bond, they need to lobby Israel to stop spying on the U.S. Tell them that they need to also lobby Israel to start ignoring "help" from the American right whose interests are bad for Israel ... ya know - tell them all the things about which I have been ranting all this time!
Berlusconi and Marge Tutwiler are the names. Tutwiler most recently worked as
1- A State Dept job for Powell as director of COmmunications in Iraq.
2- Ambassador of Morocco (Madrid anyone?)
3- current VP of the NYSE
She was a negotiator for the original October surprise, and negotiated with Saddam after desert storm.
Her family sells patented slant oil drill heads and their fiscal ties to Marvin Bush and the Kuwaitis are matters of public record.
She also graduated Bama in '73 (part of georgie's pool circuit?) and she was the School's communications Dean to help insert sympathetic journalists all over the map.
Her family lived next to the Halliburtons back in the day...
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