I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Can we add a pic of Buchanan in '92 just for comparison?
frist?
Would you buy a used car from these men?
Frist!!!
Selah.
Dammit.
No television, so I'm living tonight vicariously here.
Sweet home Alabama, them's some ugly white mofos.
TAPPED says that the twins lost the election last night. Zell and Big Time threw dirt on the corpse of GOP victory tonight.
Please, please let Bush throw the last shovelful tomorrow night.
...
A thought just occurred, tho - did everybody act all crazy so AWOL would look like the sane one?
Holy Jeebus atrios.. it's not halloween... but it ws fright night...
Yeeek. Atrios, people will be waking up to these images.
Isn't that picture of Zell the one digby uses on his site?
Anyone know where I can watch the video -- speech and the Miller Hardball interview?
A picture says a thousand words!!!
Tonight's featured speakers: Skelator and Triclops
I bet there's an angrier photograph of Zell Miller from tonight out there somewhere... That one seems downright TAME from what I saw of the speech! Check out MSNBC's front page, a phot with the words "WRONG CALL" loom large next to Cheney speaking... HAHA! Way to go MSNBC with the subliminal actual objectivity in analysis!!!
....and your little dog, too!
Who knew that Zell Miller was cast as The Empereror in Star Wars!
angry old men...angry old party...
Chimpy has a tough act to follow here...can he pull this convention mess out of the can with one speech? Is Unca Karl furiously writing a new speech at this very moment?
I've got some more Cheney photos (you supply the caption). Click on my homepage.
regards,
little holden
MSNBC pic -- a damn riot. He looks like the old guy who lives on everyone's block who sits on his front porch and throws stones at the neighborhood kids.
Bush is toast.
Holy Keerist!
Senator Palpatine and Darth Sidious before he got the red and black tatoos!
These guys look like baby-eating speed freaks. Lord help us all.
TOO funny.
YIPES!
Is zell some kind of undead archwizard or something. Peter Jackson should have seen that pic.
This is what John Kerry should say:
Here's an idea - why don't you show as much anger at Osama Bin Laden as you do to me?
Awesome. Best speech I've ever heard. Zell is fantastic.
Men in need of Viagra, and a good whore...
Okay, I'm confoosed, exactly when did Libya threaten us with nuclear weapons?
I must have slept through that part of the movie.
"Darth Sidious before he got the red and black tatoos!"
Betraying myself as a Star Wars geek, you mean Darth Maul.
Hey, Trippi is reading Atrios (or Kos) because he mentions the 2001 speech.
I think they're going to scare the terrorists away with their looks.
I wonder how George Bush feels tonight already knowing that he will be hailed tomorrow night as having delivered "the speech of his life."
Even if he pees on the podium.
OK, I really don't wonder...
Or white men's last gasp...
Wow, the publicans really showed their hand tonight.
It's not hard to see what the SBV campaign was about now. It was meant to soften him up before the main thrust of the attack.
Here's my take. Let Kerry run a positive campaign while we use surrogates to strip away his defense credibility. Once he's softened up, we'll use a Dem to go medieval on his unreliable, weak ass.
If the Luntz--can't he go the the Men's Club or something--data is correct, it has worked. I hope most of the public missed tonight's delivery.
Sixty days to go, the lines are drawn. No more mister nice guy now for Kerry.
If Bush is re-elected, get ready for military spending the likes of which we haven't seen since the early '80s. Poor people will be made to howl as the cut programs to underwrite it.
There's something distinctly sinister about these guys. I worry for my country, and for myself.
shouldn't they be on a couple of pillars at Notre Dam...
Jeebus! Miller DOES look like the Emperor!
Selah.
That dumb-ass Scarborough just said on MSNBC Jim Jeffords switched from the GOP to the Democratic party.
Hey, Lynne Cheney has a nice photo up, too!
Zell looks like David Lo-Pan
HAHA, Scarborough is saying that some people are AFRAID to say they're going to vote Bush, so they say in the poll they're voting Kerry... But come election time, WHAMMO!
HAHAHAHA, already starting the spin for the post-convention droop!
Cheney: No, I said further to the LEFT, goddammit. Fuck, the gerbil shifted again. Hold on, let me do it.
Zell: THE WORLD IS A VAMPIRE!!!!11!
A.
What a moron, now Scarborough is saying that he hears people are ashamed to admit to pollsters they're voting for GWB, but they're secretly going to vote for him out of fear.
Boy, they're scraping.
Oh fuck - I'll have nightmares now. Is that Dick Cheney's only expression? God I used to work for someone like him - oy oy oy!
I think that both Zell and Cheney overflowed with optimism and a vision of hope and unity.. I especially liked it when Zell said...
"That is the true genius of America, a faith in the simple dreams of its people, the insistence on small miracles."
and
"It’s that fundamental belief—I am my brother’s keeper, I am my sisters’ keeper—that makes this country work. It’s what allows us to pursue our individual dreams, yet still come together as a single American family. “E pluribus unum.” Out of many, one."
...oh wait... that was Democratic Keynote Barack Obama.
Zell looks as if he were about to grab a neck to bite with his sole upper tooth. More scary than Soviet soldiers that gave nightmares to little Arnold.
Wow, the publicans really showed their hand tonight.
It's not hard to see what the SBV campaign was about now. It was meant to soften him up before the main thrust of the attack.
Here's my take. Let Kerry run a positive campaign while we use surrogates to strip away his defense credibility. Once he's softened up, we'll use a Dem to go medieval on his unreliable, weak ass.
If the Luntz--can't he go the the Men's Club or something--data is correct, it has worked. I hope most of the public missed tonight's delivery.
Sixty days to go, the lines are drawn. No more mister nice guy now for Kerry.
If Bush is re-elected, get ready for military spending the likes of which we haven't seen since the early '80s. Poor people will be made to howl as the cut programs to underwrite it.
There's something distinctly sinister about these guys. I worry for my country, and for myself.
I even heard the republican guy on msnbc say that all they did was bash kerry. They are worried that people will be smart enough to figure it out that they have no substance.
I'm having a bad night. Was just perusing Moore's news area on his site...Bush's HUD wants to slash rental vouchers to low-income people. I know this will directly impact people in my small MA city here. It makes me want to gag, and sob, all at the same time. We should be doing MORE to help people find housing, not less. Especially here in MA where the rental prices are freaking ridiculous.
But it's not just that. It's the buildup of the lies, the distortions, the attacks, the unfairness of it all. My head feels like it's going to explode. Maybe tomorrow I'll get back on my horse, roll up my sleeves, and go back to working on taking back our country, but right now I have to pause just to feel dispair at the gross incompetance of it all.
Thanks Atrios for being a sane voice in a sea of idiots.
What a moron, now Scarborough is saying that he hears people are ashamed to admit to pollsters they're voting for GWB, but they're secretly going to vote for him out of fear
...Funny. I always thought the opposite was happening.
But I can't look at Zell without breaking out into near uncontrollable laughter. To think, this was once the party of the sober solid citizens.
What a freak show this week has been. LOL.
daddy bush said on Cspan 2 "when someone breeches the public trust; it breaks my heart"
atrapine stat...!
Someone really should put together a back-and-forth video between the keynote speeches (Obama and Zell).
Even Foxnews' attempt at a friendly photo of Cheney ends up looking like it should be captioned, "Cheney makes desperate plea for nation's fresh tender (chicken-fried) babies, 'I'm staaaarving!'"
Holy Mother of God, those images are frightening. I won't sleep a wink tonite.
Tonight was the red meat. Take off the gloves and the warm fuzzy went out the door. I wish Zel would make it official and just become a Republican.
is it just me or does Zell Miller look green? I think he's an alien -- it would explain so much. although that may be an insult to other little green men.
daddy bush said on Cspan 2 "when someone breeches the public trust; it breaks my heart"
In reference to whom?
Damn! Sorry...
I spent two hours tonight handing out kerry flyers at our subway station, we had volunteers at 10 stations tonight and tomorrow to get kerrys name out during the convention.
Most people happily took it when they saw the name on it.
Holy crap. I only just saw the pictures. "Let Freedom Reign"??? They've turned Dubya's non sequitor into a slogan???
Zell Miller has the face I expected to see when the head Klansman lost his hood in "O Brother Where Art Thou?"
Holy Shit!
I'll never sleep again. Those are some ugly fucking dudes.
donkey,
love the lynne pic - but what the hell does that expression mean?!? Looks to me like she just got laid, but that the oxycontin she scored from Rush to make it thru the evening unfortunately made her forget if it was a man or a woman...
I never knew tearing flesh from babies was so hard on the teeth.
But I can't look at Zell without breaking out into near uncontrollable laughter. To think, this was once the party of the sober solid citizens.
I hear you. I have a stomach ache from laughing so much.
Doesn't Zell look like he's confessing to choking the life out of a child?
In reference to whom?
in 1988 speech - probably freudian in the shadow of Iran-Contra...
also just said as a personal quality
"eloquence does not draw oil from the ground"
Memo to DICK:
Dear DICK,
Watched your speech tonight and you are one dumb SOB.
The 1st obligation of the CinC is not to support the troops in the field...Instead, the 1st obligation of the CinC is to make sure he has a good goddamn reason for sending troops into harm's way. Obligation 1.b is to make f*cking sure, that once he deploys troops, he does it in a way that he actually wins...
DICK - you are a true draft dodging dumbass.
Keep up the good work.
PJB
Scarborough "people are afraid to say they are voting for Bush" why would they be afraid to tell a pollster...did he say why?
of course not that would involve thought --
I think they are afraid to vote for Bush it has nothing to do with telling anyone
Bush IS Scary
(although Zmell and Cheney wow)
Vote for Kerry
love the lynne pic - but what the hell does that expression mean?!?
It means "I'm a self satisfied bitch"
On AAR earlier, some caller said that Miller suffers from the early stages of Alzheimer's Disease.
Does anyone know if that's true?
Zell looks like Feddie Krueger...
Scarborough launches the softball question "the media is going to whine that this is mean, was it mean" to Republican commentator. Ooh, way to go Joe, did you learn that tactic in j-school? OH WAIT, you're a Republican ex-congressman, not a journalist!!! That explains THAT!
Flip: "The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
- G.W. Bush, 9/13/01
Flop: "I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02
Plop: "''I don't think you can win it.''
- G.W. Bush, 8/30/04
hopeless pedant,
Actually, I saw a hilarious political cartoon along those lines in April. Osama was sitting in a cave, reading a newspaper with a very angry Condoleeza Rice photo on the cover. He was saying "Man, I'd sure hate to be that Ricard Clark."
Tena ~
I'm with you. I'm loving it. Been watching as much as I can. And I can't believe that just last week I was going to be sick over it. See, people? Information triumphs over fear. This convention is in shambles. Not one word of what the future will bring. Not one word of contrition. Not one word of inclusion. Not one meaningful word.
The pundits are soiling their overpaid silk pants. This is a hoot.
God Bless America.
I just watched Zell for the second time on CSPAN tonight. Either the rethugs have perfected mind controll drugs of we witnessed an unstable man go off the deep-end on live TV.
I've never heard him speak before, has he always come across as an imperialistic warmonger/hateful Baptist minister?
On AAR earlier, some caller said that Miller suffers from the early stages of Alzheimer's Disease.
Does anyone know if that's true?
It's my understanding that in the early stages of Alzheimer's, people lose their short-term memory. They don't go stark-raving bonkers.
Memo to ZELL:
Dear ZELL:
In recent years. it has been hard for anyone to make the French look smart.
Tonight, you pulled it off in spades.
Question - Is self bitchslapping a form of political masturbation...or is it more a case of "Thank you George, may I have another?"
Can you just clear that one up for me and then we can move forward.
PJB
McCain is so pent up I don't think he has taken a shit since the hanoi hilton. and anyone who is delusional enough to believe that there's a "shame electorate" who secretly will vote bobo and tell a poller something else .. well, you plug in the dangling metaphor
I am still so amazed at what I saw tonite in tandem with alan keyes "hedonist" comments about the cheney daughter
the spitballs comment was like my psychotic gym teacher humiliating the geeks with words like "get up that rope, faggots!" and "i've seen women who run faster" ... and guess what? most of those geeks now run bobo's campaign ... do you think Karl Rove in all his latent homosexuality ever excelled at dodgeball?
by the way, tonite's them in the reichstag was something to do with opportunity? what kind of opportunity?
opportunity to lose the election based on shameless rage?
Hey, I've got friends in the TV biz in both Eastern and Western PA. and today I hear from both that Kerry is canceling Ads like crazy. Anyone know what in the Hell is going on?
Good lord. Are we sure that isn't LON Cheney?
your friends are full of shit and --he just bought 45 million worth of ads maybe your friends works at shit fox stations
has there ever been a post-convention bounce for the other party ? zell may have set a precedent. zell provided the dems with a major talking point tonight.
Before launching too many predictions, it might be a good idea to see how many people actually watched this dog-and-pony show. I sure didn't, and I don't think too many people in my neighborhood did either. Even the ardent Bush supporters I know haven't been following this. Tomorrow's evening news should be a better predictor (although, naturally, not very accurate).
I heard from friends of Bush that he got strings pulled to duck going to Vietnam and then lied about it!
Sure is nice to have friends.
I really do not want to sink this low but Cheney's photo looks like he is searching for the guy who broke wind during his speech.
On AAR earlier, some caller said that Miller suffers from the early stages of Alzheimer's Disease.
Does anyone know if that's true?
That's a malicious lie.
He suffers from tertiary syphillis.
I hereby invoke Godwin's Law.
Vicki Stein - Sunday made a believer out of me. So I was happy going in. And this thing has been beyond my wildest dreams. No shit, I worried that somehow the moderates would tie the crazies up in the back and it would be Oh shit, not again - right back where we entered this picture. But no - the GOP more than lived down to the craziest face I could put on it if I was making it up.
No one will talk about George's speech now. It's gonna be all about Zell.
Who was it who said after the first world war that whoever got Italy next time would lose? Anyway, guy was prescient. Well, the GOP just got Italied. Hee hee.
This is what John Kerry should say:
Here's an idea - why don't you show as much anger at Osama Bin Laden as you do to me?
hopelesspedant
I like that! Kerry people; are you listening?
Thanks Atrios for being a sane voice in a sea of idiots
No kidding.Well said.
Miller looks to me more like Gollum.
Especiall in the scene where he is caught catching a fish in the pond near Mordor.When caught by Faramir.
For some reason I'm watching Larry King's convention coverage. Perhaps it's the same reason people rubber-neck at car wrecks.. but how unbelievably stupid is it to have Mo Rocca providing rediculous jokes in between serious discussion?
CNN is in the abyss..
Wow just got watch the Stewart & Koppel talk and John's parting comment was dead on.
Cripes! I got it!
That Zell Miller pic looks like the Emperor from Star Wars. Senator Palpatine! No!!
Cheny knows that his party is in deep shit. He can barely contain himself when he's in front of an audience, especially of proles rather than the have-mores he hangs with (oh, I hope he hangs with all of them). Miller is about to turn himself inside-out with that anger and barely under control rage, which may be directed at God or everyone around him, if the Alzheimer's rumors are true. He's right around the bend, and will have a rough time of it for the next few days, unless he borrows Darth's "Undisclosed Location". This is the Bush 1 playbook on how to lose re-election (even though GHWB was actually elected). Screw up the country, get yourself next to a bunch of reprobates and hucksters, throw a one-hate-fits-all convention, and keep your ability to connect with moderates, independents and swing voters under wraps by speaking to selected audiences. The loyalty oaths are a nice new touch, but the Slow Boats vets aren't Willie Horton, and so many have turned out to be liars or chumps. I am surprised at how much better the RNConvention has made me feel, and I've only watched about 45 seconds of it.
Scarborough "people are afraid to say they are voting for Bush" - I guess that will be the reason that the diebold machine counts won't match the exit polls
No, there both non-Fox biggies. Why in the Hell is Kerry canceling Ads in PA? Maybe He's so far ahead in the polls in PA that he's moving resources. I heard that Kerry's internal polls weren't as good as other polls in PA. But maybe he's just way ahead there anyway.
Why in the Hell is Kerry canceling Ads in PA?
Maybe he's readjusting his ads for the new "war"?
I know someone who died of vascular dementia. One of the first symptoms was extreme personality changes, including rage and morbid jealousy, characteristics that had always been there, but much, much milder.
Of course I know nothing about why Miller is acting like he is. But an illness is possible.
Damn. I was having a little old Hoeffel house party and missed the whole damn thing.
So, is Tweety finally figuring out that he can get big ratings if he becomes a "lefty" thorn in the side the looney right? You can, Tweety! Do it! You'll be crushing Fox in no time--and in a well heeled demographic.
Cheney's as done wonders to attract the women's vote tonite...
You will pay the price for your lack of vision!!
No, he's not changing them, he's dumping them.
I don't think Miller's ill. He's just a asshole.
Conan O'Brien's trashing Ahhnold.
Rick, re: PA...with Nader now ruled OFF our ballot, i think the state is more than a wee little bit solidly in the Kerry column...you have to understand how many people here have lost jobs, how many people are long-time union types, and also that PA has a LOT of senior citizens, worried about Medicare, etc., so actually the Kerry people may be thinking they can scale back a bit here and still win--i would not be quite THAT confident myself, but maybe that's what is happening--if your rumor has any truth to it. one thing for sure is that the usual PA voting pattern has changed, starting in 2002...
With unflinching moral courage, Andrew Sullivan has declared that it "can only be a good thing" if jihadists blow up Frenchmen.
I didn't watch it (the tee-vee's been broken for about nine years or so--I keep meaning to get it fixed one of these days... and slap some new rabbit ears on the sucker...) and I don't think I could have stomached it--not without at least a half a gram of Black Tar Heroin and a bottle of Jameson's. But forget what we think, what matters is how this all played out in Dubuque & Joplin & other points where people are ruled by The Fear and where they have lost ability to use reason & logic.
Cripes. How did we ever get to this?
this just in: zig zag zell just channelled the ghost of lester maddox and then challenged bin laden to a duel in Baghdad
***start the music***
sunday, sunday, sunday ... crazy zig zag zell and the monster trucks from hell .. smashing osama with his spitball fury .. sunday, sunday, sunday
In the words of Morrissey:
This night has opened my eyes/ and I will never sleep again.
Scarborough "people are afraid to say they are voting for Bush"
It's funny hearing about this tonight, since this afternoon I was reading the section in Thomas Franks' "What's the Matter With Kansas?" (buy! read! now!) where he talks about Conservatives' permanent sense of powerlessness and victimization at the hands of Liberals, in spite of the self-evident truth that Conservatives hold ALL the reigns of power in our government and our corporate culture.
They can't stop thinking of themselves as an oppressed minority (listen to some of 'em carry on about how impossible it is to live as a Christian in our Gomorrah-like society. Ooooh, those liberals!
Sully's losing it too. The whole party's becoming unglued.
Why in the Hell is Kerry canceling Ads in PA?
Maybe he's readjusting his ads for the new "war"?
smalfish
That would be my guess.
And the Rethugs just gave him a lot of ammo. 
OT I'm sure that it is the same all over the crounty....gas going down!Down 4 cents today in my city! $1.65 today $.99 Nov.2. $2.15 Nov.3!
Damn, those are two very ugly faces! If these two dudes can't stay in politics, they ought to rent themselves out for movies on the Sci-Fi channel. These two won't even need makeup to look scary!
That State by State poll map says that Kerry's losing by a point to Bush in PA. The Kerry folks musthave some better internal numbers to be dumping ads the way that they are in PA
Where can I get that Chaney halloween mask?
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...somebody insert that close-paragraph somewhere in that last run-on sentence I wrote up there, wouldja?
I gotta go to bed.
Cripes. How did we ever get to this?
i hate to say this, but amerikkka is still an experiment - once again, if someone doesn't step up into this vortex soon and speak about fear and its threat on all of us, then we are more fucked than having bobo in office
the terrorists are winning this battle, judging by our reactions to fear -- i would personally rather die than live in fear -- and we are a nation "addicted" to fear ... soon enough we'll all be in PTSD 13 step programs jacking off Dr. Phil while he strips us of our wallets at the bookstore line
i also think that zell took too much viagra this evening ... he was expecting a busy night at Scores later on .. christ, that vitamin P can screw up your evening
Why in the Hell is Kerry canceling Ads in PA?
ad-media is always in flux now more than ever, the key is to stay out front- this convention is gold for material -i like the creative team behind Kerry's ads and have faith in thier ability to counterpunch - the campaign staff needs to slap the viewer into receptivity, so they know/expect what they are gong to see
in those ads...
gas going down!Down 4 cents today in my city! $1.65 today
I was shocked when I pulled up to the pumps and I paid $1.68.
Was woodward right that the Saduis' were going to help junior by lowering fuel prices.
I talked to the wingnut wife today about this and she claimed that oil had fallen to 42 dollars a barrel.Any confirmations here?I havent been paying much attention to the price lately.Not to mention the news is all 9/11 all the time.
Woah. Guess who said this:
Last night was therefore a revealing night for me. I watched a Democrat at a GOP Convention convince me that I could never be a Republican. If they wheel out lying, angry old men like this as their keynote, I'll take Obama. Any day.
Answer next post. (No fair using Google!)
I await a copy of Cheney's speech. I didn't hear him mention Iran while he was lying about containing traffic in nukes to N Korea and having controlled terror in Afghanistan and so on. Maybe I just missed it, but if not, it's a little ominous. He looked quite ready for a new pre-emptive war, to me. (A war we did not begin" being the new catch phrase for pre-emptive war seemingly.)
Don't like Optimism ? Go fuck yourself...
Kerry tied in Pa and not dumping ads
you are a trolling liar
Great pics! I'm probably gonna' wake up screaming!
You may not believe it, but check out Andrew Sullivan's take. He calls Miller "gob-smackingly vile"
I agree....it was like fright night, and I actually thought that Lunatic Zell spoke rather well...too well. I really would like to see the democratic response explaining why Kerry voted against all those pork ladent bills that Zell referred to.
However it was nice to see him get all hot and bothered when Chris Matthews asked him some straightforward questions afterwards. Zell knows he's in over his head now, especially if it turns out that he backed the losing horse. Here's to hoping, but I am still very nervous that this election is still too close to call, and all the voices I here around here in Austin are pro-Bush. Recently there was an article in the paper talking about how the Bushies out here are squashing dissent through some vast measures beyond stealing campaign signs. They are low, they are slimy and it scares me shitless (as Steven Colbert somehow slipped in tonight on the Daily Show).
He must be further ahead there to be dumping ads. That state by state map says he's back by one point in PA. but it's probably wrong.
Man, Morrissey is so damn overated.
Try this new british band coming your way in the usa this fall. They're called HOPE OF THE STATES (i kid you not),the album is called THE LOST RIOTS and songs titles include: "Black dollar bills", "George Washington" and the single " The Red The White The Black The Blue". Good expansive music (Radiohead meets Godspeed! You Black Emperor).
Really good band, good lyrics as well
I await a copy of Cheney's speech.
Your wish is my command.
Viagra Wargasm!
That the obvious vileness of Zell Miller can no longer go unacknowledged by Andrew Sullivan doesn't relieve him of the burden of being a nitwit.
Kerry is not canceling ads this turd is a stupid time wasting troll
Kerry just bought 45 million worth of ads
NEW YORK John Kerry's presidential campaign plans to buy 45-million dollars worth of commercial time in 20 states through November second.
The buy includes cable T-V and advertising geared toward minorities. It is also timed to coincide with the conclusion of President Bush's nominating convention as Kerry seeks to curb Bush momentum.
The first commercials will be broadcast in just ten states, which were not disclosed by the campaign. Spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter says that the purchasing strategy calls for the remaining ten states to be added between now and November second.
The states are: Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Michigan, Missouri, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Washington state, Wisconsin, West Virginia, Maine, Minnesota, Arkansas, Louisiana and Nevada.
Copyright 2004 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
mondo dentro: I believe that is Saletans quote.
Cheney was just awful. Did anyone catch the "flip flop" chant...the zombies in the crowd began chanting "flip flop, flip flop.."...and Cheney just sneered with that awful lip thing he does. Very creepy.
Mr. Kerry's ad reductions may mean that Mr. Bush's lost year in Alabama and Texas is about to be much less lost.
Then there are the Palme grand jury indictments; prison videos, Halliburton, Enron and, rising from the dead, BCCI.
Last night was therefore a revealing night for me. I watched a Democrat at a GOP Convention convince me that I could never be a Republican. If they wheel out lying, angry old men like this as their keynote, I'll take Obama. Any day.
--Andrew "I'm soooo conflicted" Sullivan
Golly. Are the wheels actually coming off the crazy wagon?
I really would like to see the democratic response explaining why Kerry voted against all those pork ladent bills that Zell referred
You should have watched (RN)CNN afterwards.They just about ran the gamut of rebuttals and then they had on a dem to rebut for real.
You should know by now that what Zellout was spouting were true GOP lies and taking points.
He really must have some serious blackmail on him to be that rabid after being supportive of Max.
I don't really understand..
the speeches by Zel etc are exactly the kind of bogus crap the repubs eat up. Looking at other message boards (like yahoo news) it is obvious the republicans think Zel scored the home run here, that W doesn't even have to talk now, that the dems are quaking.
Yet here we have a bunch of intelligent people thinking Zel scored an own-goal, that he is toast, that he did more to help kerry than anyone else so far.
everyone saw the same thing.
I don't get it... i just don't get it..
In my view, the speech appealed to stupid, white, fearful people. It seems to me that this is more than 50% of the electorate. In that sense Zel and co outright lying in order to make things sound simple and feel-good is probably bad for kerry..
OT- big dog on C-span 2- 1992 acceptance speech
Would you buy a used car from these men?
CAGary
Nope. But from the look of those mugs, you could probably buy a used body. (Delivered at midnight, cash only, no questions asked or answered.)
I hate to admit this, but Andrew Sullivan posted a great piece tonight on that despicable piece of Dixiecrat shit, Zell Miller. I've been reluctant to give Silly Sully any credit for his slo-mo, reluctant conversion to the Kerry camp, but he deserves props for this one.
Oh my! Shall we talk about Cambodia?
Oooooops, sorry. ANOTHER issue John effin Kerry won't discuss!
Care to refute Zell Miller's address, Atrios?
Thought not, spin as usual!
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahaha!
They"re going Photoshop crazy with the picture of Zell on KOS, go see it, verry funny!
http://www.dailykos.com/story/20...9/1/235320/
8050
I lifted Zell Miller's speech from the Atlanta Journal if anyone is interested:
http://chutry.wordherders.net/
ar...02474.html#5803
We all just witnessed the demise of the Republcan Party as the party of Lincoln and Roosevelt, and its unbirth as the Armaggedon Party.
You can just watch the repeats of CNN and gutterball for once they did their jobs -Zmell in the dumper
We all just witnessed the demise of the Republcan Party as the party of Lincoln and Roosevelt, and its unbirth as the Armaggedon Party. 
Heres something we shold be doing and I for one will be doing to raise awareness.
On Tuesday, Sept. 7th, the Freewayblogger will post one hundred signs on LA area freeways protesting the war in Iraq and the failure to find Osama Bin Laden. The lone activist has posted over 2,000 handpainted signs on California freeways since the war began.
A sign of the times
Go,do,be happy.
p.s.Dont get caught here in Texas.
Tonight all of America saw what Lester Maddox saw in Zell Miller when he chose to make him his Chief of Staff (perhaps in Lester's case it was Chief of Axe-handle), back in the day.
If Bush manages to actually win this election (I don't think he can, fairly), won't it be like what whoever it was said about second marriages...
...that they represent the triumph of hope over experience?
if we could somehow lower the frame of Zell's hands such that they could fit perfectly over cheney's head-and maybe, just maybe, mightily squeeze out its evils contents... we could make devils food cake
Dam haloscan ate my link
I once thought as you do. He's more machine now than man. Twisted and evil.
Scarborough JUST said that after this commercial break they're going to be re-airing part of the Zell meltdown on Hardball... MSNBC, coming up in probably a minute or two.
p.s.Dont get caught here in Texas.
smalfish
It's called littering.
But don't let something like a hypocritical issue like this stop you!
Democrats are the "keepers of the earth"?
Personally, I think ALL food products should be in recyclable packaging.
Yet, you advocate the littering of our environment.
WTF?!
thanks for the tip Silleigh!
Here on the west coast on "After Hours" MSNBC Scarborough is going to rehash the Tweety/Zell confrontation for those of you who missed it earlier.
Zell meltdown is on again now.
My friend noticed that Cheney looks a little like Smithers from the Simpsons.
I think I saw someone roll their eyes when Cheney claimed the Bush tax cuts are working.
p.s.Dont get caught here in Texas.
smalfish
It's called littering.
But don't let something like a hypocritical issue like this stop you!
Democrats are the "keepers of the earth"?
Personally, I think ALL food products should be in recyclable packaging.
Yet, you advocate the littering of our environment.
WTF?!
Usamabinlazy |
That has got to be the most hilarious thing I have read in a while.
Usamabinlazy
Eat me
Senator Zell Miller challenges Chris Matthews to a duel, now that's "Hardball" Link to Quicktime Video
Remember that Zellout never got elected to the Senate. He was appointed by Roy Barnes, went to DC, drank the GOP kool-aid, and turned on the people who supported him.
He's a fucking ingrate. And as my wife says, he's the kind of hick that she left Georgia to get away from.
Usamabinlazy
Eat me
Usamabinlazy
Eat me
I don't have cable television ... does anyone have a link to where I can watch video?
The damned GOP! I'm watching a rerun of something on CNN and that damn whiteboy band is playing "Gimme some lovin'". You know The Spencer Davis Group.
Goddamn, this is the lamest cover of anything I've ever heard outside of an elevator.
And now, on MSNBC, they're gonna show Zell offering Tweety a meeting on the field of honor.
tena,
I think the joke was Churchill commenting on Italy during WWII. "Well, it's only fair--we had them last time."
Wow.
Watched the quicktime. What a fucking good-ol-boy. 'If you were a Nigra, ah'd burn ya.'
Link to Quicktime Video
The cable-TV-less of the world thank you, O Norm of Jenson!
You know what a metafer is dont ya?"
The republicans are the party that not only is against gay marriage their platform is also against civil unions - they are for outsourcing and those who have lost their jobs are supposed to suck it up and stop being girly men -
They have no plan. They claim to be religious but it's all about hate - it;'s been said before, but it bears repeating - tonight's speeches sounded much better in their original German -
Write the media and tell everyone you know that the repubs are running a replay of '92 - Americans will not stand for it - and as for terror alerts to interupt the coming downward bounce, well how many times can you cry wolf?
Andrew Sullivan has just had (another) change of heart, contrasting Obama with Miller.
GUYS!!!
I missed tonight's convention...I went to the bar, expecting to see the same Ahnuld/McCain praisefest and the ensuing media free pass I saw in the past two evenings.
I heard Zell Miller completely lost it and Cheney did something too...can anyone give me a brief synopsis as to what happened?
I also see Hardball cited alot...what happened there?
MUCHO THANKS to anyone!
I never thought i would say it, but it hurts to watch Clinton... he was so good and this cadre corrupt dinosaurs are so bad - it fuckin hurts
Wow, Zell on Hardball... what a psychopath.
And that stuff about the Apache helicopters... Cheney also voted against the Apache helicopters... and the other missile systems...
Zell is a hack for the hack hall of fame.
He is also every horrible drunken-assed annoying relative you have always dreaded having to talk to at every family party ever.
Oh, lordy. Saw Zell lose his mind with Tweety. The man's just nuts. He wasn't listening to the questions, and he's a pugnacious old fart. That was just a jaw-dropping moment. The look on Tweety's face was priceless.
Pete
You probably need to go down a couple posts to get a real recap.
Pete, Zell challenged Matthews to a duel. Because he is CRAZY.
Sullivan may play 'more American than thou' (along with his other acts) but he's still a Brit, and Zellout hit all the cliches about the Southern bigot. It's completely alien. It's Deliverance country. It's 'squeal, piggy, squeal' (which Sully may be ambivalent about).
It's like nothing that should be on this earth.
Yes, many thanks.
Wow ... laughter from folks in the background. I bet Michelle Malkin will rave tomorrow about how the powers of Zell Miller and Regnery Publishing had Chris Matthews so batty over the power of the blogosphere and Rush Limbaugh that he was frothing at the mouth.
Zell Unconsciously Denounced Shrub
"Motivated more by partisan politics than by national security, today's Democratic leaders see America as an occupier, not a liberator."
"And nothing makes this Marine madder than someone calling American troops occupiers rather than liberators."
"No one should dare to even think about being the commander in chief of this country if he doesn't believe with all his heart that our soldiers are liberators abroad and defenders of freedom at home."
Sen. Miller to the Republican National Convention – September 1, 2004
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp...0-
2004Sep1.html
"One central commitment of that mission is the transfer of sovereignty back to the Iraqi people. We have set a deadline of June 30th. It is important that we meet that deadline. As a proud and independent people, Iraqis do not support an indefinite occupation -- and neither does America."
"Finally, the attitude of the Iraqis toward the American people -- it's an interesting question. …they're not happy they're occupied. I wouldn't be happy if I were occupied either. They do want us there to help with security, and that's why this transfer of sovereignty is an important signal to send, and it's why it's also important for them to hear we will stand with them until they become a free country."
George W Bush - Press Conference - April 13, 2004
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/r...0040413-
20.html
thanks Silleigh! i'm catching it now!
rick--
you have to look at who the poll is talking to, and also what they ask. i've noticed the past couple days that i'm seeing weird, no-name polls talked about on cable news, as Bush's Zogby, etc. numbers slip...but really i am basing my PA comments more on what i hear from people on the street here, than on any polls. there was a "T" vote in PA, the middle and northern counties, who were long time Dems than went for Reagan, and then stayed Repub until the 2002 mid-term. now that "T" is voting closer to the urban centers of Pgh and Philly, and the Repubs are mainly in the suburban "donuts" around the two big cities. but generally, nationally, you have to look at whether a given poll is including perspective first-time voters, or not.
"That State by State poll map says that Kerry's losing by a point to Bush in PA. The Kerry folks musthave some better internal numbers to be dumping ads the way that they are in PA"
-Rick Barton
I think miller wanted to get that duel statement out to Mathews.It seemed to me watching the rerun that he was gunning for that statement.
People pissing themselves laughing in the background. New Yorkers thinking 'what the fuck is this man talking about?'
DAY 1: McCaingive free publicity Moore
DAY 2: Arnold's "girly men economics"
DAY 3: Zell...nothing elso so add really
DAY 4: can't wait! What will W do to top those threes?
funny picture of O'Really.
Bill, you're just not pretty.
MUCHO THANKS to anyone!
Pete
Scroll back up to Norm Jenson at 1:25 to see part of it with Quicktime.
Keith is right.
Sometimes you read Andrew Sullivan, when it comes to civil rights, and think to yourself, "Yeah, what he said." Then, he starts off on a different topic you wonder how often his mother dropped him on his head as an infant.
Norm Jenson.. thanks for the vine on the link.
Watched the quicktime. What a fucking good-ol-boy. 'If you were a Nigra, ah'd burn ya.'
anonymous in nc
I'm falling off the chair on this one... this is what happens when you OD on viagra -- zig zag zell was getting ready for a few lap dances down at Scores
poor good ol boy couldn't keep his top on
I'm not sure what's sadder. An old guy who's just totally lost it, or that 20% of America nodded and thought "Boy, that's some straight-shooting sensible talk, Zell"
Oh. it was my first time watching him, so who is this horribly loud Scarborough person?
Who the FUCK is this idjit talking to Ron Reagan talking about Tweety being rude???
'If you were a Nigra, ah'd burn ya.'
I did'nt see that part.Did he really say that?
Having just watched the video it I don't get the impression that Zell was apoplectic or anything. It could just be because he looks like a frail old man but I felt as though he was just affecting anger to play to the audience of sycophants behind him.
Larry Gatlin defending Zell on MSNBC.
I said this on the thread below, so sorry it's OT, but I think too good to pass up:
Tonight's theme: Land of Opportunity, which interestingly happens to be the state slogan of...Bill Clinton's home state, which Bush elder once referred to (in a stunning show of leadership and statesmanship) as "the lowest of the low."
My observation ever since Bush took office has been that he wants to turn the entire country into Arkansas, since it is, after all, a utopian workshop of nutty regressive policy in action. Low wages, low taxes (on business and the wealthy), heaviest tax burden on poorest citizens, no worker rights, few & lax environmental regulations or protections, low spending on public infrastructure or education, pitufully underfunded social services, etc.
So pass it on - for once they were telling the truth. They want to turn the entire US into the "Land of Opportunity" - Arkansas.
Now that I've watched it a couple of times, does it maybe seem like ole Zell threw that bit about the duel in there to score some points ... like maybe he had it in his head ahead of time to go on the show and not get humiliated like Michelle Malkin?
There's the line in "CAt on a Hot Tin Roof" where Brick observes that a family crisis brings out the best and the worst in people. WEll, in my view, the Democratic Convention showed the best in the Democratic Party. We're seeing the worst in the Republicans.
Tangerine -- you don't really wanna know.
Ex-rep, general scumbag, now MSNBC talking headcase.
Who is this FUCK murdering Summertime??? Oh, kill me NOW.
Another convention pic of Zel torn straight from star wars .. yaho o news picture.
"On June 30th, the Coalition Provisional Authority will cease to exist, and will not be replaced. The occupation will end, and Iraqis will govern their own affairs."
George Bush
Oh, and about Zell...
This wouldn't have happened if he had gone ahead and switched parties. The Republicans require their own to get rabies vaccinations prior to attending conventions. Zell, being a DINO, slipped through the net.
Silleigh,
Larry Gatlin, country "star."
Did you catch him picking a fight with the people watching?
What a fucking maroon.
Larry Gatlin. Some pop-country asswipe, I assume? That was just one atrocious chunk of teevee.
OT: The word on the streets, Boulder.
So I’m strolling through downtown Boulder on my evening constitutional when a man approaches to ask me if I know when Cheney is speaking tonight. It quickly becomes apparent that he’s mildly cognitively-impaired and also a fervent Republican. For the next 45 minutes, as I slowly drain my soy-based, vitamin-enhanced strawberry-banana smoothie, he attempts to convince me that I should vote for Bush, because he’s going to cut taxes and raise labor wages in his second term. He didn’t in his first term because we had to go to war because of 9/11. I shouldn’t vote for Kerry because Democrats raise taxes and the veterans said he cut limbs off people in Vietnam. Also, they’re giving all the polls to Bush because of the convention, so Democrats are all going to vote for Bush and I’ll be the only one who doesn’t.
He heard all this on MSNBC and CNN, so he knows that everything he told me is true. Also, his mom told him he was right. He explained to me that people in this country only care about making money, and that’s why they’re all going to vote for Bush. Except for his sister, who’s an environmentalist (neither of us knew why). He wanted to know whether I was going to move to Canada if Bush wins, because that’s what he’s heard liberals are going to do. He didn’t seem to quite believe me when I said no.
I was trying as gently as possible to suggest that he has heard some mistaken information and to offer some corrections, but he was impervious to my efforts. His faith in Bush goes all the way to 11. But something else was nagging me; something about this was vaguely… familiar. Suddenly, I realized that the entire conversation could have been lifted from the everyday trollery I see here. Replace ‘Mom’ with the rightwingnut of choice and it’s pretty much every troll argument I’ve ever read.
It was impossible not to feel compassion for this guy- he was simply repeating in a concrete way what he has been told by his parents and by the cable news. And he was more politically engaged than most adults. That virtually everything he knew as fact was in error was hardly his fault. The thing I’m stuck on is how to account for his arguments being virtually indistinguishable from those of the common troll (trollus vulgaris). Perhaps they know his mom.
Dharma, oh, that was quite maroonesque.
What. EGO.
And... just in time before the post convention bounce next week...
"Ben Barnes to break silence on "60 Minutes"
The Republican campaign gets ready for shock waves, as the former Texas official who says he pulled strings to get George W. Bush into the Air National Guard finally goes public" (full article on SALON)
Goooooood Timing!
just watched the Norm Jansen clip...that was flipping nuts!
can anyone imagine any democrat pulling that shit?
and the worst part is, the SCLM will praise Zell's "passion", meanwhile if Howard Dean were to give an Interview with 1/16th the obnoxiousness Zell gave, we'd read headlines like Zany Dean Loses It Again!
BULLSHIT...why can't the media call a spade a spade for chrissakes!
jeffCO,
oh...we know his mom alright. 
JeffCO: Insightful. And very sad.
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I don't think there's any question that Zell Miller is seriously unbalanced. That was not a man in control of anything -- except he may be the only person alive who's managed to out-shout Tweety.
funny picture of O'Really.
I feel pret-tee, oh so pret-tee. I feel pret-tee and wit-tee and gaaaayy, and I pit-tee any girl who isn't me todaayy...
Did he really say that?
Nah. He just thought it.
I TiVo'd that breakdown to show Mrs Anon. I suspect that she too will piss herself laughing.
George W.Bush .....
Because he says so!
Okay--I work a ton of overtime a few days in a row, and I miss everything. What in the hell happened tonight? I don't want to watch Zell speak. I'm afraid to read the whole speech. All I want is a quick synopsis, or maybe a best of, from the convention speech. It will do until I'm better able to handle this.
Because three threads, and I still don't know what he said, really.
O.K., here goes: Zell Miller is acting exactly like my father, who happens to be suffering from dementia and/or early on-set alzheimer's. Miller's anger is off-the-charts because it actually is disease we're witnessing (oh, my eyes, MY EYES!), and the crowd of well-behaved "extras" acted as if he was making sense. Oh, this is just priceless.
(I happen to be a close personal friend of Jenny from the Blog, so be nice to me.)
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OK, this is ugly, but so it is. I had a long drive today, so I listened to a fair amount (about 5 seconds each time) of the baby-banging Dennis Prager, and some other buffoon, probably Savage.
The news stations (you know the ones), were playing Miller saying that the two Senators from MA have been wrong more often than Bush has picked his nose at Al Gore's desk, bla-bla-blah, and Cheney patting Kerry on the head, saying that Al Q isn't going to understand our 'soft side,' so, anyhow kill them all. Hard rotation of these two lines, every ten seconds.
Savage (?) was on about 'if the US 'dings' a mosque, then the America haters in the liberal media would make that the story of the night,' but the islamofascist-lovers think mooslemism is a real religion, so fuck them.' Prager was saying that since '37' countries want Israel off the map, the Dems are naturally going to try to accomodate them, because they, you know, love any country that isn't the US, so vote R.
Nevermind that you get your lovely boys back in a cardboard box with a US flag printed on it, your husband has lost his job to people working for slave wages in India, and Dick Cheney is gnawing on your daughter's detached limb---vote R, you stupid c*nt, because we love power and you can make a lot of toothpicks out of skullbones if you get enough practice.
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The Republican campaign gets ready for shock waves, as the former Texas official who says he pulled strings to get George W. Bush into the Air National Guard finally goes public
That's nuthin. Rove has ads coming out that have people accusing Kerry of running over baby seals while windsurfing.
thanks again for helping me catch the Zell "i demand satisfaction" re-run, Silleigh.
Librarian is signing off--need to wash these pictures out of my brain before sleep-time!
have fun, y'all.
Care to refute Zell Miller's address, Atrios?
Sane people with real lives don't have time to waste on morons like you.
Refute it yourself. You can click this link for the Snopes rebuttal of Zell's tired old weapon system slur. (And you fid some SBVT debunking there as well...full cites and everything!)
Factcheck.org also debunks, at great length, BushCo's smears of Kerry's votes on military spending. Here's the link.
See how easy that was? Nonpartisan sites who attact both sides for inaccuracies...what a concept, huh?
And you know, if you check out your accusations with one of these groups BEFORE you post here, you'll look a lot smarter.
five minutes til Daily Show. i need a pick me up too, after another downer klan nite. woohoo..
Actually, I was thinking of photoshopping that picture of Zell.
Add longer hair, and... well, see how his hands are curled into claws? I was thinking that a palantír would look just perfect right there.
And, anyhow, this term, islamofascist. Though we've all played the R game (fascism, what is it?), the key element, even according to Mussolini (who must have sold his rights to Berlusconi, right? Did you know Berlusconi wears Mussolini's truss as well?), is CORPORATISM, rule by corporations.
Where is the rule by corporations in Al Qaeda? Do they mean that because the bin Ladens are in business with Carlyle, they are corporatists? So I was thinking (while dodging people driving huge trucks while drying their fingernail polish by holding the cellphone light close to them) that maybe this term was a Karl Rove production, to defray the use of the term.
Good thing there aren't any moooslems in America. Because dinging those mosques (and taking a lot of chunks out of mothers and children too) is just how the war on terror is won, tough shit.
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I don't think there's any question that Zell Miller is seriously unbalanced. That was not a man in control of anything -- except he may be the only person alive who's managed to out-shout Tweety.
Silleigh
Nah, he's just your basic standard southern-fried asshole Cracker Politician. Dime a dozen, really. And worth every penny. Actually worth his weight in gold to the Democrats tonight. Which, if he ever realizes it, is gonna seriously piss him off. Unless Atrios is right...(the "sneaky" post).
Sorry, messed up that factcheck link.
Here it is.
After Usama read this stuff and learns the truth, I'm sure he'll never take anything Zell Miller says seriously again.....right?
I'm pretty sure (based on the photo) that Miller was saying something about getting us and our little dogs too. (Not sure what we're getting though.)
Cheney's smiling (the deathmask grimace is his version) because he's just explained that he has some good news for the country- he's just saved $80 million dollars on his car insurance by giving a no-bid contract to Geico.
Dick Cheney is not evil. He's just a capitalist...oh wait.
Zell Miller's quality time with Chris Mathews is destined to become THE moment of this convention, and a famous, classic episode for decades to come.
The question will be, what was he thinking? What were the Republicans thinking, giving a crazy man the prominent role afforded by a keynote speech? Didn't they realize that they would look like hate-crazed lunatics themselves, the very last thing they wanted to look like?
This is too good. It's like being a Red Sox fan and watching the Yankees go down 22-0.
it's easy to laugh but i'm worried.
sure they sounded deranged to us. and we see so clearly through their motives, so we smugly subject them to ridicule. but we shouldn't ever forget, we are not normal people. we have to do everything we can to assure these people don't get last laugh.
maybe their naked vitriol will do the trick and finally wake kerry fluck up.
Actually, I was thinking of photoshopping that picture of Zell.
Seraphiel, check Kos. Lemme see...
link
(Damn, Scarborough just said AGAIN that Jim Jeffords switched to the Democratic party... grrr...)
Phila:
Hon, you know that the Freepi are like those old CD-ROMS. You can put data on them only once, no erase, no re-record. If it's bad data, well, you're stuck with it. It's permanently encoded. And it just plays, over and over and over again. All you can do is take it out and throw it away. It's worthless.
Zell Miller looks like post-lobotomy Dennis Miller, plus a few decades of shitting on himself whenever the bell rings.
Zell Miller looks like the grandpa in Texas Chainsaw Murderer. Is that why they had to keep handing him his dick back every time he shouted?
I keep hoping some of these bastards will be beset by a swarm of bees. A guy's gotta have a dream.
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It's like being a Red Sox fan and watching the Yankees go down 22-0.
You have to be a Red Sox fan to get an incredible burst of satisfaction upon the sight of the Yankees being humiliated?
"WHERE'S MY WHISKEY"
"Actually, I was thinking of photoshopping that picture of Zell."
Seraphiel, check Kos. Lemme see...
Damn, they wasted no time getting those done.
Let me remind everyone, as if it needs doing, that Zellout Miller was the KEYNOTE speechmaker at the RNC. Less than a couple of hours later he went into total meltdown on a talkshow.
Absolutely nuts. The GOP has lost it completely.
LJ, you're probably not old enough, but ...think vinyl. Some of these guys/gals are real broken records. Or maybe even wax cylinders. Write once, read forever. Errors and all. And they melt and get all over everything, and start to smell, and stick to your clothes, and...
Okay, Haloscan's doin' weird stuff, must be time for me to go to bed. I was halfway through another post, and the window started scrolling north-south on its own and my previous post appeared in the typing box. Goober, I was going to grant you that Zell fits the portrait you painted to a T, but also throw in with GiveMeLibrium upthread who thought his hair-trigger rage might be indicative of the onset of dementia. Never having observed Zell Miller before this, I can't really say.
Now, 'night all.
The coolest thing about Zell's flameout - Kerry can judo flip the 'wild-eyed' meme right back at the GOP.
Sweet.
it's easy to laugh but i'm worried.
sure they sounded deranged to us. and we see so clearly through their motives, so we smugly subject them to ridicule. but we shouldn't ever forget, we are not normal people. we have to do everything we can to assure these people don't get last laugh.
Relax y, even CNN thought they sounded deranged. And that was before Zell melted down on two seperate talk shows.
LJ, you're probably not old enough, but ...think vinyl
You guys are BOTH wrong.
Think 8-track tape. That's been left in a hot car.
Goober--I'm 42. I well remember vinyl. I prefer not to think about it, because my ex, in the midst of our divorce, destroyed my immense record collection (over 2000) with a strategic, "accidental" placing of them in the sun on one of the hottest days of the year. You don't want to know what I did in retaliation.
You don't want to know what I did in retaliation.
Did it involve getting her drunk on amontillado in the basement?
Damn! I missed it. Which shows did Zellout lose it on? Was it too late for the average person to see it?
watching repeats of footage on fox, to get the slanted view. how many times are the republicans going to pretend a)Reagan saved the world and b)he's just passed. again.
on the west coast here--
did Ted Koppel really just say that Cheney and Chimpie are like a couple getting ready to be married?
Cheney can't see Chimpie in his wedding dress until tomorrow night, so Dumbya is hiding out at a hotel in Manhattan waiting for the special day.
Fucking weird analogy for nominating a presidential candidate.
You all are so hopelessly full of shit. The Republican crap resonates with 50% of the inbred cretinous masses produced by generations of born again mullets and hilly billy whores, and 50% of the greedy, racist, bible thumping, internet porn leering, white "aristocracy" who in habit the red states and swing states. Then there are the handful of lunatics who actually believe the drivel coming out of either party and are insane and delusional inough to vote the "issue". These creepy, criminal fucks are going to win by a sizieable margin, because the DNC and the liberals in gerneral in this country are to geddamn pussy fight down and dirt to take back this country and our constitutional rights. Arnold is right we are a bunch for girle men. I suggest we stop having conventions and star having reach arounds. Fuck all of us!!
You'll be able to see Zell going nuts on both MSNBC and CNN very shortly, I believe.
Here's the thing with Zell, figured this out tonight. Whether he really, truly feels what he's saying is legit or not is irrelevent. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. Frankly, the man's been involved with Southern politics so long, he'd come out for skinning yankees alive if it won him votes in Americus.
So here's a guy used to being the biggest catfish in the pond - former governor and lt. governor - but in Washington, he's just another senator. Now, were he to go far liberal, well, the good folks here in Georgia would hang him by his toes. So, seeing the massive, fear-driven support of Bush The Lesser in the past two years - fueled by a bought and paid-for mainstream media - Zell decides to go the other way. He's voted for Republican interests without fail everytime it comes up, and despite his good ol' boy persona, against the very interests of the people he's supposedly representing. For instance, he heartily backed the reduction of waste emission standards for chicken plants to help out Tyson Foods, which is based here in Georgia.
Now, if he changes to a Republican - which he should do, as it would help the party out tremendously - he'd still just be another senator in Washington. Ahhh, but stay a Democrat, and brother, you got something interesting there.
Remember, dear hearts...Zell's trying to sell a book. If he swapped parties, the media's interest would last about three days, if that. But stay on the Donkey, ahhhh...now, that's a story.
So it isn't that he's gone crazy or has Alzhiemer's disease, or even that he's a traitor to the Democratic Party. It's never been about the party or, for that matter, Georgia or the United States. He doesn't give a shit about the crackers that vote for him, believe you me. It's all about Zell. His political career is over, so all he's got is punditry, and as I said, who the fuck cares to hear from yet another right-wing Republican crank? A right-wing Democrat crank, well...there's money to be made and books to be sold.
Goober--I'm 42. I well remember vinyl. I prefer not to think about it, because my ex, in the midst of our divorce, destroyed my immense record collection (over 2000) with a strategic, "accidental" placing of them in the sun on one of the hottest days of the year. You don't want to know what I did in retaliation.
LJ
I'm sure looking forward when we can get married and have the right to a messy divorce, too.
It’s almost midnight. Time to rant.
Newspaper headline: "U.S. war on terror winnable, Bush says."
Body: "The president was trying to douse the criticism he touched off Monday when NBC aired an interview in which [Bush] was asked if the United States could win the war on terrorism and he answered, "I don't think you can win it." He added, in the interview, "I think you can create conditions so that those who use terror as a tool are less acceptable in parts of the world." Democrats hit hard at Bush's comments for a second day."
As someone said, you can't win a war on a tactic. It's kind of hard to win a "war" where you defeat one opponent and two more spring up in their place. Could we maybe talk about the kind of international conditions we could work to create that would minimize terrorism? Maybe academics can, but certainly not Bush.
So. The president says something halfway reasonable for a change, which is rare; and, in true partisan political fashion, his words get used to bash him severely about the head. One can't sound in the least “defeatist” in this country; optimism is the only acceptable attitude. And Bush "flip-flopped." We must use that against him. There's an election to win.
Christ almighty. Sometimes I wish we could get rid of the two-party political system, and just put academic experts and technocrats in charge.
In his convention speech, Kerry said, "...our energy plan for a stronger America will invest in new technologies and alternative fuels and the cars of the future so that no young American in uniform will ever be held hostage to our dependence on oil from the Middle East."
Thank God he said that instead of spouting some bullshit about how the high price of a barrel of crude is Bush’s fault, like some so-called liberal blogs would say. Sure, there's a germ of truth to their accusations, but long-term, the supply of oil ain't going nowhere but down, and the price, up.
I am quite impressed with Kerry’s ideas on reducing our reliance on oil.
End of rant.
End of rant.
le cynique
Well [said] with a cherry on top.
ot, but i'm worried about russia. like totally freaking out. are the chechens going to do something major every day this week? looks like their plan so far.
Zell duel clip at MSNBC site. Scroll down and on the left.
Zell duel clip at MSNBC site. Scroll down and on the left.
The heart and soul of the Republican Party on display.
A friend of mine (who, believe it or not, is working as a volunteer for Kerry in Ohio) would love to debate Zell's masterful performance this evening with you.
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ot, but i'm worried about russia. like totally freaking out. are the chechens going to do something major every day this week? looks like their plan so far.
Olaf glad and big
Bush back in there another four years and they'll 3 or 4 more quagmires. Fuck if I can do anything about it. I was screaming my fucking head off back in 99 and writing about the creep but no a goddamn person listened to me. I'm telling you he will be back in there another 4 years and he'll get us all killed.
What?
Cheney did a HUGE Flip Flop last night.
Just a few short days ago he said he was PROUD of Mary his lesbian daughter and I believed him.
After his speech, WHERE WAS SHE??????Is he not still proud of her???????
Or could it be that he now ASHAMED of her for the GOP's sake.
Aside from Hardball, what was the other show that ZigZag crazied up on? Unfortunately I have to agree a little with Countrytom...How many swing voters really watch the post-'analysis' shows on MSNBC, FOX, and even CNN? Which is why I'm thankful that NBC had Brokaw interviewing McCain right after Miller's speech- McCain slightly redeemed himself by saying Kerry would be a competent CinC. And for all this talk of the importance of bloggers, don't we only really influence ourselves? I can't imagine someone who watched both conventions going to themselves, "I'm still not sure...To the Daily Kos!" Wow. I just hardcore depressed myself.
GiveMeLibriumOrGiveMeMeth, may I break my lurker status to give you some serious love for possibly the best handle that has ever been devised?
Thank you.
It just dawned on me that the way the republicans regard democrats as "The Enemy" must mean they don't regard al Qaida as the real enemy... or is it that they regard everyone but themselves as the enemy? The French, the Brazilians, the Venezuelans, the Haitians, the Chinese, all Africans, etc, etc...
Interesting research over at UCLA Neuropsychiatric Institute shows republicans don't have a problem with violence, which democrats don't like, demonstable at the level of brain tissue. War mongering death cult...
Wow that Daily Show piece on Bush's campaign strategy is a RIPPER! If anyone hasn't seen that, make all efforts.
On one of the clips in that segment, I noticed that Bush says 'eranium.'
He pronounces the 'ur' as in 'third.'
He too stupid to know that it's u+ranium, he thinks it's ur-anium. What a (dangerous) dork.
(Middle America) "Dear, do you think we should vote for the dork, or the real hero? My television doesn't agree with my mind for some reason.'
'I know dear, turn that thing off. Since Enron blew away our retirements and we've had to work at the Burger King, I've been thinking of going back to knitting, and voting Democrat.
'That Bill Clinton was a nice man---I didn't like all the nasty things they said about him. And HE didn't fuck us at the bank.'
'You're right, dear. They ought to put 'W' in the same cell as his pal Ken Lay.'
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Kathlyn,
It's not that they see liberals or Democrats or even Frenchmen or brown people as the enemy. It's anyone who doesn't think like them, even if it's other Republicans and conservatives. Remember the whole RINO flap when a few Republican senators had the audacity to say, ya know, maybe another round of tax cuts for the rich wasn't such a good idea, and the True Believers called 'em "French" and all? Or when lifelong Republicans like O'Neil or Richard Clark dared criticize Dear Leader's manly, personal war against "terra"?
It's like teenagers arguing over who's more punk rock, ya know?
Incognito
I feel your pain. I knew little about Bush last election, but what I did know scared the shit out of me. I tried convincing everyone I knew to vote for Gore, with very limited success. And I had alot to work with; I was working as a welder in a metal fab shop at the time. Let me tell you almost every jacked-up truck had a Bush/cheney sticker on it and no one would listen to me. They all thought he was just a regular guy with a family, just like them. No one wanted to hear he was part of a powerful political dynasty.
And you're right; this country, along with the rest of the world, is going to require one hell of a bandage, along with many, many thousands of coffins and decades of work to to return us to the pre-W. environment.
The environment itself is another story entirely. If BushCo gets four more years I refuse to think about the irreparable damage that could be done.
Cheney's smiling (the deathmask grimace is his version) because he's just explained that he has some good news for the country- he's just saved $80 million dollars on his car insurance by giving a no-bid contract to Geico.
JeffCO - oh you funny, buddhist, tao of pooh man!
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I can't sleep.
At this moment, I feel the same way I did in elementary school after watching the film Poltergeist: paralyzed with fear, unable to close my eyes, shaking nervously.
Only this time, instead of having nightmares of maggot-infested chicken and black & white static, I'll have those pictures haunting me.
I knew that Senator Zell Miller was a turncoat Democrat. But I didn't realize that he is the cadaverous love-child of one of the zombies in 28 Days Later and Emperor Palpatine from Return of the Jedi.
Can you believe the Republicans put this guy on primetime? Young children might be watching, for God's sake! Shouldn't the FCC limit such horrorfests to midnight pay-per-view?
Before tonight, I didn't understand the "John Edwards is hot" phenomenon. But now, when I compare the two Southern senators, Zell Miller makes John Edwards look hotter than Taye Diggs. Come to think of it, Zell Miller makes Freddy Krueger look like J. Lo.
As you posted, Cheney's gay daughter, Mary, was at the Convention but did not join the rest of the family on stage after his speech. Is this because she embarrasses him, or because he embarrasses her, or because he might dig his fangs into her flesh and suck out her lesbian blood in front of millions?
But even if these are simply unfortunate pictures of unphotogenic Republicans, my nightmares were caused by much more.
On a night where the theme was "land of opportunity," Zell Miller's seething anger -- more than his cadaverous body -- scared the crap out of me with an effectiveness normally limited to colonic irrigations.
And did you catch Zell Miller's "Heil Bush" Nazi salute?
http://s01.imagehost.org/0119/ze.../zell-
adolf.jpg
Does he need to give the rest of the world more fodder?
Of course, nothing is scarier than what the Republicans have to say.
In his speech to the Convention, the Vampire Vice President said:
"So President Bush delivered the greatest tax reduction in a generation, and the results are clear to see. Businesses are creating jobs. People are returning
to work. Mortgage rates are low, and home ownership in this country is at an all-time high. The Bush tax cuts are working."
What alternate universe is Cheney living in? Oh wait, never mind. I forget that he lives in a cave full of lava and puppy blood.
As scary as Dick Cheney may be, he ain't got nuttin' on another Convention speaker -- homophobic Senator Rick Santorum -- who said the following in his speech :
"Yet, in many poor communities the torch of marriage is dying out. While eight out of ten mothers applying for welfare are in a relationship with the father of
their child, and both want to marry, often, no one helps them, and within a year, almost all have parted ways. President Bush is changing that. We now ask, "Would you like some help in building that relationship?" And if they say yes, we pay for marriage counseling with a family therapist or a pastor,
Santorum said (continuing from the post above):
"And if they say yes, we pay for marriage counseling with a family therapist or a pastor, rabbi, or imam."
Our country is in the midst of a war and a recession. Senator Santorum's solution is pro-heterosexual marriage counseling for poor people?
I know I shouldn't be surprised hearing this nonsensical putrescence from a senator whose last name is a combination of "sanitarium" and "scrotum."
But I've had nightmares about this guy ever since he (1) equated gays and lesbians with incest, polygamy, and bestiality and (2) argued that consenting adults do not have a Constitutional right to privacy with respect to sexual acts.
And these people were supposed to be the "friendly face" of the party.
I don't know if I can survive tomorrow when Bush will seal the deal and make Poltergeist look like My Little Pony.
http://pnuthouse.blogspot.com
Troll: "I suggest we stop having conventions and star having reach arounds. Fuck all of us!!
countrytom"
Riiiight. We just pull off the largest nonviolent protest march at a convention in US history, and we're 'girlie-men'.
CodePink have more nuts than Arnold's body-builder drug thugs on any day of the week. Big brass ones, as big as his head.
And that Iranian weightlifter who just busted the (his own) world record in the clean-and-jerk could snap Arnold over his knee in a second. What a has-been fraud, the Hummer Bummer himself. Forget changing the Constitution...let's EXILE him.
Let him live out his declining years in Chile busting rocks at the copper mines if he's so muscular and right while he's endorsing genocide.
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With a point, Godwin's Law misses an opportunity
Godwin has a very real point that using old constructs and/or arguments is not productive because those words bring such crystalized, yet somewhat subjective imagery and connotations that one ends up arguing with the vain imaginings and/or other ghosts from the past.
As someone that has been known to post screeds with references to fascism before, this seems like a good point to take to heart.
The ONLY thing I actually regret however is that I didn't re-frame the dialog by talking in behaviors instead of label/names. If we can start taking these characteristics...
1. Exalts nation and often race above the individual
2. Uses violence and modern techniques of propaganda and censorship to forcibly suppress political opposition
3. Engages in severe economic and social regimentation
4. Espouses nationalism and sometimes racism (ethnic nationalism)
...then we are going to be on to something:
Talking head screaming at dem on TV, dem replying back
"Why this violence and these techniques of propaganda and censorship to suppress political discourse? Why are you so hostile and angry about everthing?"
Talking head barks something back, dem replys again:
"Well, I'm sorry you feel that way, but I really don't think espousing discriminatory and possibly racist policies are good ideas."
Basically you can have a whole conversation with a freeper and just keep putting it on them to defend their seemingly hostile attitudes and behavior - and you won't have called anyone or anything a fascist. If they bring it up (What you calling me a fascist?), then personally I would have to wonder out loud, why someone like that, "was so defensive and paranoid". If you really want to be a weasel tell them you don't think the conversation is being productive and that you wonder why they hate America so much.
Is it just me, or does Zell look eerily similar to Skeletor?
Caleb, you have a lot of time on your hands.
I've been protesting (this time around) for three years straight, weekly, and it has disabused me of the issue of dealing with 'freepers,' or anyone who doesn't realize that killing lots and lots of innocent people is unamerican, period. Racism is unamerican, period.
You get ALL THE WAY DOWN, to the bottom of a guy like Incognito's worldview and justified political opinion, and you find at the bottom:
KILL THEM ALL
I have seen it so often that it is simply axiomatic. And that cold reality makes racism protesters like me not as addicted to political ass-kissing as many on atrios. We know, very well, that at the bottom of a very long list of cavils and poiltical points and conflicting facts and experts, that at bottom, it's just racism masquerading as reason.
A funny thing, actually, is that when someone like Incognito goes ballistic and spews his hatred for all to see, as he did again tonight, because of this format a lot of people don't see it happen. But on the street, as soon as they emit their hatred, like pus from a boil, they leave. They know that they embarassed themselves utterly, and let their bottom-line truth out.
Because it IS racism, and not a reasoned policy to fight nuclear terror (a common cause if there ever was one), protesters like myself aren't going to wait until Jan. 20 like good little chickens, unfolding our hands only to press an X on a screen so the Diebold salesman can use us against ourselves, or to type love letters to racists.
The US military is killing hundreds of civilians every month, and it has got to stop. NOW. Not in November, not in January. NOW. I got attacked on Tuesday by one of their thugs, and I'm sure it's not the last time. Winning points is not the same as opposing racism, outright.
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>> Can we add a pic of Buchanan in '92 just for comparison? -Munguza
HELL, can we see a side-by-side of Zell in this picture versus the Emperor from 'Return of the Jedi'? Perhaps I should suggest to The Daily Show?
A co-worker of mine just pointed out, regarding the picture of Zell Miller...he kinda looks like The Emperor, during one of the late scenes of "Return of the Jedi"...I half expect to see blue lightning bolts shooting out of his fingers...
Here's an appropriate quote from The Emperor: "If you will not be turned, you will be destroyed....Young fool...only now, at the end, do you understand...Your feeble skills are no match for the power of the dark side. You have paid the price for your lack of vision."
A co-worker of mine just pointed out, regarding the picture of Zell Miller...he kinda looks like The Emperor, during one of the late scenes of "Return of the Jedi"...I half expect to see blue lightning bolts shooting out of his fingers...
Here's an appropriate quote from The Emperor: "If you will not be turned, you will be destroyed....Young fool...only now, at the end, do you understand...Your feeble skills are no match for the power of the dark side. You have paid the price for your lack of vision."
Your wish is my command.
NTodd
Thank you NTodd. (so he did mention Iran. Missed it.)
D'oh...sorry for the double post...It's my first day...
Zell looks like the evil preacher from Poltergeist 2.
Zell looks like the evil preacher from Poltergeist 2.
God is in... his holy tem... ple!
About the pics... I laughed and laughed. Thanks.
Zell looks like a walking corpse straight from Night of the Living Dead and Go Fuck Yourself looks like Darth Vader after he pulls off his helmet. While they are both ugly on the outside, the true hideousness lies within.
The sooner Dick Cheney's head is on a pike, the better.
Zell Miller is evil. This race has no room for truth! Let's make fun of his looks, his age, his manner of talking, ....
The Taliban got nothin' on these schmucks.
If Zell were wearing a black cowl, he'd look like the Emperor in Return of the Jedi.
Yikes! Snarlin' Dick! Zig Zag Zell's comb-over is starting to enter the David Gergen stage.
The republicans' message should be obvious. Fear and hate works. It works for secular conservatives. Just as it works for christian conservatives.
"When I wish to find out how wise, or how stupid, or how good, or how wicked is anyone, or what his thoughts are at the moment, I fashion the expression of my face, as accurately as possible, in accordance with the expression of his, and then wait to see what thoughts or sentiments arise in my mind, as if to match or correspond with the expression."
Edgar Allen Poe, in The Purloined Letter
The debate has now been clearly framed, has it not?
The Party of Hope V. The Party of Fear. Tagline: The only thing they have to offer is fear itself.
Let's see those ads!
They're running the fuckin' country, they got their finger on the button, and they still ain't happy.
Jesus help us all.
I mean, God, or the diety of your choice, help us all. (I live in the Deep South, and Jesus just sort of hangs in the air, like Spanish Moss or humidity.)
All you can do is take it out and throw it away. It's worthless.
LJ
Oh, I know. I only post troll responses a) to post data that prove them wrong, which casaul readers or even regulars may not have seen; b) in case anything I say gives people ideas of their own for dealing with Bushbots in real life (I've picked up a few great lines here from other people!); and c) because it's kind of a relaxing way to take out my aggressions, and costs much less than "House of the Dead 3."
Come to think of it, the high-quality troll smackdowns on this site did a lot to suck me in, initially...seemed like a winning team!
RUN AWAY!! RUN AWAY!!
Isn't it time we start questioning the sanituy of these men just like the Repubs did to gore, dean. etc.?
the scum of the earth.
Anyone else think Miller looks like Emperor Palpatine from Star Wars?
http://home.att.net/
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Anybody catch David Gergen on the Brian Lehrer show here in WNYC?
He blasted Zell Miller saying that ol' Zig-Zag-Zell was sounding too much like Lester Maddox (sp?). He noted that ol' Zeller all but accused Dems. of being treasonous. He also noted that if anybody was this anti-Republican at the DNC, you would never hear the end of complaining from the Rethugs.
Gergen also complained that the Dems. need to strike harder. He also sounded afraid that BushCO will win -- he didn't endorse Kerry but he sure was speaking as if the Republicans have been taken over by the dark forces of evil.
Cheney DOES look like a member of the only two-convict U.S. presidential ticket ever.
'tis a thing of awfulness...
Pete
The NEW face of the Republican Party!
Check the resemblance of Zell to the Cryptkeeper:
http://www.horror-masks.com/
Movi...ryptKeeper.html
This is crude. I guess I've been reading the rude pundit too much latelty but I swear it seemed like Cheney was whacking off all over those people and they were swallowing his poison as fast as he could spew it over them in an orgy of orgasmic delight. I felt sorry for them.
Talk about looking out of control, rageaholic, etc....
Quote: I know I shouldn't be surprised hearing this nonsensical putrescence from a senator whose last name is a combination of "sanitarium" and "scrotum."
I choked on my tea at this one.
You may like this site:
http://www.spreadingsantorum.com/
I'm glad I'm not the only person who noticed Zell's resemblance to Palpatine. That was even creepier than the speech.
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