I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
frist?
Nobody boo'ed 'cause they knew their stocks did way better under the Big Dog.
A similarly nuanced view of Howard Dean's "scream" would have been nice, back in the day.
Oops, I guess I shouldn't talk like that. Ah, hell, Scotty'll come out and say what I really meant tomorrow.
I truly hope that Clinton wasn't booed. The whole thing makes me sad. God be with him, and may his optimism resonate during this troubled time.
On the one hand, I hope they didn't boo, because it would be crass and uncivilized. On the other, I hope they did, because it would expose them as crass and uncivilized.
Imagine if some Dems supposedly booed Reagan when it was announced he had alzheimer's...
They booed. It was like a giant orgy of hate. Why can't Republicans act like civilized human beings?
Either way, I'm praying for him, in whatever way it is that agnostic Unitarian pagans pray.
brilliant. thank you, atrios.
though, if the booing were loud enough, you'd hear it on the video, i think.
not to say there wasn't booing, but it obvioulsly wasn't very loud in relation to the whole event.
either way, kudos for correcting y'self.
like i said earlier, this all ain't gonna matter once the debates get going. that's when the real fire is gonna start.
bush=toast
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OT- any news on the Time poll/ post-convention bounce? Do I need to feel grim right now?
Enough with the booing. Who cares anyway?
dammit, the BBC radio reported boos and the reporter on the scene referred to the behavior as "mean spirited"
I heard it on an american brodcast of the BBC on KIOS.
small potatoes in the grand scope of the election, but still, stick to yr guns!
Someone should, you know, call the reporter and ask why the hell it was reported if it didn't happen...
Exactly.
And, of course, it was an adoring audience.
Sorry. There was something to the story, especially after the Hatefest.
And since Atrios is being stingy today, have some gratuitous catblogging, on me.
The Time poll is the only one showing anything remotely like a double digit lead ... oddly enough, it's also the only poll any of the "news" channels are referencing.
The Zogby and ARG polls show Bush *slightly* ahead (2 pts and 1 pt, I believe).
rorschach, your cats are adorable. I love tortoise shells.
I'm a boomer. Fear of heart trouble comes with the age group, and all I can offer is that this country had better pull itself together soon -
Don't bother with flowers and stuff - send a contribution to the library. The clowns who may or may not have been rude are useless SOBs and really meaningless.
The Time poll is the only one showing anything remotely like a double digit lead ... oddly enough, it's also the only poll any of the "news" channels are referencing.
Is that a reflection of blatant bias, or is it just noteable because it's the only double-digit poll?
A new post and STILL no kitties???
Dude, your breath is SO sucked out.
rorschach,
Cute kitties!
The Zogby and ARG polls show Bush *slightly* ahead (2 pts and 1 pt, I believe).
zendik
If that's the best Bush can muster right after the big hoo-HAH convention, he's friggin doomed.
Yay!
And I'm glad to hear there's nothing to the "boo" story. I'd hate to think ANYONE, right or left would stoop that low.
Lest we forget...
There is a wing of the professional GOPers who would be happy to see Clinton dead...and they get paid to speak on the Campus-Con circuit, are routinely invited onto cable talk and get star treatment at Beltway parties.
'Nuff said...
Thank you geor3ge. That's Zora, and she is scared of everything in the universe...until another cat comes anywhere near our house, and then she comes close to breaking windows trying to get at them and defend her turf. Adorable, really.
And very long-haired nowadays, as I imagine you'll see in future photos!
This just in, "Ronald Reagan is still dead."
At this point, it's the only one. The Zogby poll was conducted during the same period and shows 46/44 Bush. The ARG poll is 48/47 Kerry, though it's a day older than the Time and Zogby ones.
Considering how little coverage Bush got today what with Clinton, Frances, and Russian schoolchildren, not to mention the holiday weekend ... you could *almost* feel bad for him. But not quite.
"OT- any news on the Time poll/ post-convention bounce? Do I need to feel grim right now?"
geor3ge
No. A bounce in one poll - so what. Bush governs by fear. Wait til people find out what Bush's "ownership society" really entails. A "healthcare savings account", or HSA, should strike fear into the heart of anyone who has healthcare right now - that's what you're going to get under Bush. Yeah, it's great if you have the $1,000 to blow on doctor visits and medicine in a year - the poor will just skip that needed visit and never meet their deductible and never get their tax break. Most people pay payroll taxes and don't even itemize, so they're not going to get shit all. But mark my words, that's what you're going to get in a Bush Second term.
Kerry has a LOT to fight back on. As soon as people start paying attention to issues, Kerry will come out ahead.
BTW - that Jack Cat from the previous thread? Even Arthur likes that kitty, he's seriously weird....
The Time poll is the only one showing anything remotely like a double digit lead ... oddly enough, it's also the only poll any of the "news" channels are referencing.
I don't know Bush's poll rating from Time is really impressive
Ya know, some of us are quite content with not seeing no damn evil cats on our computer screens. But that's just some of us, now.
That's Zora, and she is scared of everything in the universe...
Sounds like a blend of Odin, my tuxedo cat, and my tabby Freya. My girlfriend and I moved in together this summer, and all five of our collective cats came with. Odin is scared of everything and Freya defends her turf jealously.
rorschach - Good Lord, dude, somebody cut the wings off of your bat!
And thank you, Hecate!
If you weren't there, you can't say what happened. "Photoshopping" has been going on with audio a lot longer than video.
It is possible the "booing" was localized, and possibly near the journalists who reported it, but after the "Dean Scream", if it isn't reported by a person on the scene, it is suspect.
What I tol' you?
The truth will eventually out. Two disparate sources reported the same thing. What I fear most is media manipulation. Perception has always been the only reality that counts.
MisterX--He's grown into the ears, I promise. Strong breezes no long carry him down the block...
Feel the Crow
The Time poll, which even Bobo Brooks admits is ridiculous, is going to become CW over the next week...
We're in for rough times in September.
The debates are the opportunity for a turn-around.
Kerry was in great form last night. If he can keep it up and turn it on with the Weasel ten feet to his right on national television, Bush is toast.
This has got to be fought on Bush's record, in his face and hard as hell, or we lose....
The fact that a son of a bitch like george, who would dare say Bring 'em On with OTHER PEOPLE's CHILDREN fighting in Iraq given his service record says he knew the crowd would boo. He wanted to boo just as much but he did one better. He got a crowd who thinks just like him to do it for him.
What a fucking coward.
Feel the Crow
Um . . . okay. (Feels Crow.) Yep. It's a crow.
O.T. Did anyone watch the McGlaughlin group this week? Lawrence O'donnell called Zell a "political psychopath" and later called him a "nut case" and then said the convention was only for "the fanatics" I think that about sums it up.
MisterX--He's grown into the ears, I promise. Strong breezes no long carry him down the block...
rorschach
I just imagine him at night, on the dresser, in the darkness, LISTENING TO YOUR HEARTBEAT!
*gulp*
Sorry Atrios, gotta disagree on this one.
The article didn't say "some people booed." You'd have a point if it did.
It said, "Bush's audience of thousands in West Allis, Wis., booed."
The video offers definitive proof that that just didn't happen. The AP reporter got it very, very wrong.
Drew
Depending on the kind of microphone used, the entire crowd could have been booing at the top of their lungs and you would hardly have heard it. That's what brought us the Dean scream -- the extremely directional microphone used picked up almost nothing of the extremely loud crowd. I'm with Atrios -- if the crowd didn't boo, why did the reporter report that it did in the first place?
Backslider: Someday I am going to get a really GOOD pic of my 5-pound, weasely-lookin', impossibly long-haired (the stuff SPIKES), solid black polydactyl who has a tail that looks like a feather boa and paws that look like catcher's mitts (did I mention large, round, yellow, spooky eyes?), and beg Atrios to post it JUST for YOU. Everyone needs to see a damn evil cat now and then, and my buddy Shock is IT.
Cheney is a drunk.
http://thesmokinggun.com/
archive...cheney_doc.html
O.T. Did anyone watch the McGlaughlin group this week? Lawrence O'donnell called Zell a "political psychopath" and later called him a "nut case" and then said the convention was only for "the fanatics" I think that about sums it up.
Kathleen "Smugness Incarnate" Parker was gushing all over Zell in the Op-Eds today. Someone forgot to tell her that all the "I'm Wet for Zell" t-shirts have already found their way to the remainder bin at TJ Maxx.
The Time poll, which even Bobo Brooks admits is ridiculous, is going to become CW over the next week...
with the SCLM, had a similar "booing" taken place on opposite sides, it would become CW over the next week
Atrios,
I am pretty disappointed with you taking this down. I guess you retired the brass knuckles. I remember a few people booed at the Wellstone funeral, and because of the way the repubs played it, they made the dems pay during the elections. I guess the dems feel no obligation to return the favor. Well when bush tries to suspend the constitution in the next few years, the dems can at least be happy that they did not stoop down to repubs tactics
And since the last thread is knee-deep in trollshit and the responses thereto, the Goob hereby declares Labor Day Weekend 2004 to be a Troll-Free Weekend. Starting right now.
Ragger!
And since I've also appopinted myself Supreme Ruler of the Universe (Bill Gates is bound & gagged at my feet as I speak) I have every confidence you will all obey!?
Gee moonbat, why don't you stop the lie from going further, instead of being a moonbat who does nothing to correct yourself for HOURS!
All of you moonbats are delusional. Or bi-polar....
MisterX--
He only steals my breath sometimes.
Not always...
You people who are still insisting that the original article was right are just plain off the edge. I don't know what else to say.
Do you honestly think they were piping in applause sounds to drown out the boos as the speech was being broadcast live on cable news? I mean, come on. Give me a break.
I have no doubt that a couple of idiots booed. But the article said the audience of thousands booed, and it's plainly obvious to anyone with two brain cells to rub against one another that IT DID NOT HAPPEN LIKE THAT.
Jesus friggin Christ!
I'm convinced that Big Dog fell ill during Zell' speach, the Emperor scared him!
No, but seriously, i think Bill just pre-empted the republicans October surprise (you know, the one with Cheney having a heart attack a couple weeks before the election to be replaced by war hero McCain?). It would be silly for Bush to manufacture Cheney's heart attack (or stroke) now. Bill stole the idea! You go Bill! Clever move!
Yes, i am paranoid.
And very afraid to what we will be waking up to on november 3rd. I dont like to hear about polls and bounce right now.
Oh, and just for the general education of the thread, "Usamabinlazy" is apparently Apache, from New Mexico.
(chortle)
Yeah.. I'm sure they all wept bitter tears over the news of Clinton's heart attack. Clinton was booed. Two independent sources reported the fact. It's going to ultimately come down to what you believe about the nature of die-hard Bushites.
The debates are the opportunity for a turn-around.
This campaign always was about the debates. Given the underlying reality of a sharply devided nation and a media preisposed to lying supine before Bush, Kerry always had to simply remain close enough that Bush could not duck him in the debates.
hyperbolic pants, did you write the article?
Why are you so concerned?
There was booing involved. Your continued defense of this is amusing.
Silleigh,
Well, I don't like cats. Don't like dogs, either. Not a pet guy. In my eyes, if a critter doesn't fulfill some form of service - catching other critters, in some for or another, generally - the only obligation that have to me is to be delicious. Otherwise, I try not to bother 'em. And for the record, I think wearin' 'em is just flat-out tacky.
I can't wait for the debates! GWB is the dumbest moron on the planet. Kerry's intelligence will upstage the shrub!
I'm with Atrios -- if the crowd didn't boo, why did the reporter report that it did in the first place?
We KNOW how Bush's crowds are assembled. I CANNOT believe that this announcement to such a crowd, likely containing a lot of rabid Clinton haters, did NOT result in SOME degree of booing. NFW.
However, I was scribbling in the last thread about how shockingly solicitous Scarborough has been about Clinton tonight, going so far as to tell everyone, especially Republicans, to send him their good wishes, and encouraging people like Donna Shalala and Janet Reno to speak their minds about their high opinion of Clinton in interviews. There is no black and white, and I guess no one is an asswipe 100% of the time.
Oh, and just for the general education of the thread, "Usamabinlazy" is apparently Apache, from New Mexico.
I thought he was of the Princeton Apaches.
jiminitty--Same here. Are you as unsurprised as am i that the Bush camp is trying to whittle down the number of debates already?
I heard radio and tv clips of bush making the announcement...the crowd applauded and cheered in sympathy with clinton..there were no boos.
Do you honestly think they were piping in applause sounds to drown out the boos as the speech was being broadcast live on cable news? I mean, come on. Give me a break.
______
hello, jerkoff ignoramus. actually, that is always a possibility with these people -- the piping in fake applause when chimpy threw out a pitch at st.louis? or the fake "made in usa" stickers on the made in china boxes?
Silleigh--Did you see MSNBC last night, when Scarborough stood and held a mike for Steve Earle through an entire song about poor kids going off to fight a rich man's war?
I thought I was in the Twilight Zone. Or as another commenter here put it: Kafkaesque.
colorado:
Bullshit. Bullfuckingshit. Will you listen to yourselves?
It comes down to what was on the fucking video. It's right fucking there!
WTF is wrong with you people? How is it possible for so many people to have their heads jammed so far up their asses?
It's quite simple: some morons behaved badly near a reporter and the reporter extrapolated. The video evidence (INCLUDING AS IT WAS BROADCAST LIVE, YOU CONSPIRACY NUTS!) proves the extrapolation unfounded.
Good freaking God!
Didn't the announcers for a Major League Baseball team--I forget which one, if I ever knew it--have to explain pretty regularly that those weren't boos the microphones were picking up, but some player's name, nickname, or some "term of endearment" the crowd was shouting? Something more recent than Boog Powell, but my memory has gone to bed for the night.
I saw on a different thread that Clinton called into Larry King tonight and was upbeat. There's usually a repeat at some point in the middle of the night for those who want to tape/Tivo it.
wow. relax, hyperventilatingpants.
You'll live longer.
Hmm, booing, whatever. We all know they hate Clinton with a pointless passion to match no others. This convention was Bush's best shot? He's gone. Kerry's about to unleash some serious advertising in mass quantity for the first time in the campaign really, Barnes' upcoming 60 min. interview will shift the Nat'l Sec. debate back to Bush's preposterous "record", then the debates in which Bush will have a very, very tough time coming off as more serious and commanding than Kerry...
what Kerry did to Dean [much respect to him] in the primaries, unseemly as some of it was, he's about to do it to Bush, to the third power. Unless the obscene amount of cheating the Cons are going to attemp ALL goes completely smoothly, we're gonna have President John Kerry. I'm more excited for him to be president than anyone who's been so in my shortish lifetime!
Stop the Press! Stop the Press!
I hate to gloat, but.....
hyperbolic pants, sorry. People booed.
Terrible.
And for the record, I think wearin' 'em is just flat-out tacky.
Anybody pick up somewhere last week that one of those super-models... the one who posed nekkid for PETA as a statement about wearing fur... was just picked up as the spokes-stick for Blackglama furs?
the only obligation that have to me is to be delicious.
Okay, that's cold. AND funny.
I think that there might a few additional facts to consider regarding this thread!http://www.newsradio88.com/ also BBC commented that there was booing.
pie:
Because it's really fucking stupid!
I can not believe how unbelievably hypocritical some people are!
How would you feel if a couple of nuts behaved badly at a Kerry rally and the AP wrote:
"Kerry's audience of thousands in West Allis, Wis., booed. Kerry did nothing to stop them."
I wager you'd be pretty fucking pissed, as would I.
I'm annoyed because I saw the fucking thing live and the article WAS WRONG, and it does not help us to look like a bunch of rabid idiots, jumping all over a story that is OBVIOUSLY wrong. I mean, for God's sake, there's EVIDENCE! It's not like we have no evidence to determine the facts either way. We have video. The video very clearly shows that this sentence: "Bush's audience of thousands in West Allis, Wis., booed."... is WRONG.
Gee moonbat, why don't you stop the lie from going further, instead of being a moonbat who does nothing to correct yourself for HOURS!
All of you moonbats are delusional. Or bi-polar....
Usamabinlazy | Email | Homepage | 09.03.04 - 10:46 pm | #
Did ya ever stop to consider, you dippy bastard, that maybe - just maybe - Atrios had things to do. Or that maybe - just maybe - he wanted to give it a little time to play out, see what the score was? I mean, think how quickly the Bush people jerked CNN around concerning the whole Lettermen "doctored kid video" flap. Jay-sus...and hell, aren't you supposed to be off playing poker, anyway?
I am pretty disappointed with you taking this down. I guess you retired the brass knuckles. I remember a few people booed at the Wellstone funeral, and because of the way the repubs played it, they made the dems pay during the elections. I guess the dems feel no obligation to return the favor. Well when bush tries to suspend the constitution in the next few years, the dems can at least be happy that they did not stoop down to repubs tactics
Libertarian | Email | Homepage | 09.03.04 - 10:44 pm | #
And you, you raging goofball...he didn't take the original post down. He said there was some sort of dispute with the original. Me, I think it was unneccessary - I don't use Atrios for source of news but more as a gateway to supplement my own gatherings - but I understand just why. In case you didn't know, it's so galloping nitwits like above will button up about it.
It's his website, though, and it's his call. And if you don't like it, well...there are other websites on the net where you can waste time.
And also too; I don't know if anyone else has raised this, but who would they have been booing? Their own Preznit, for wishing the Big Dog well? Seems like, if they were in a mean mood, they would have cheered when Bush said Clinton was in the hospital.
Would have been no way to miss that.
Non-story, like Backslider said.
Next.
Re: the booing, here is an audio clip...
booing
Sounds more like whooping to me.
Gorodn, you moron...
This has been discussed to death in this thread already...
Read the shit people smarter than you have already chewed through before you post your half-assed redundant bullcrap.
And if this is all you've got to gloat about, you are one sorry sonofabitch...
But that goes without saying...
Stop the--
ZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
zzzzz...
I hate to gloat, but.....
Better do it now, since you and your ilk will be hanging by their heels January 21...
Onceler-
well said. respek!
i am cautiously optimistic about this thing.
If we were Republicans, of course, we would never have taken the correction from the AP as the truth, we'd just repeat again and again the "fact" that Bush's supporters booed.
The Time poll is the best thing that can happen right now, assuming that it is an outlier.
Right now Bush has an 11% lead, according to the poll. Two weeks from now, when they do another poll, Bush's lead will drop dramatically.
Consider this -- Zogby has Bush up by 3%. Say he does another poll and Bush is up by 5%, but Time does their poll (and does it better than they did this time) and it reflects the 5% lead -- the media will report this as a 6% drop.
Special Friday Daily Show coming on NOW.
The crowd booed. They can't help themselves, they've been overstocked with hate and rage over the fact that they can't elect a successful president in any area except except lies and fear-mongering, from Nixon to Reagan to both Bushes. The "Clinton lied under oath" meme is meaningless, as no Repig prez has the moral fiber to swear an oath, and Bush2 even took his surrogate Daddy, Dickless Cheney, to testify before the 9/11 comission. The crowd booed, that's all there is to it. Republicans don't deserve to live in the land of the free and the home of the brave since they don't believe in the first and can't comprehend the second. Their reliance on character assassination, slander and paying people off is coming home to roost, and Kerry will be a 2-termer, if he wakes up and becomes a president after he's elected by a landslide. After that, the real Repig nightmare...HILLARY! Hahahahaha...
The big issue here:
How many Americans suffer from chest pains and take Tylenol or Prilosec because they don't want to go to the doctor, or don't want to be diagnosed with a pre-existing condition? How many people don't get screened for the precursors to heart disease?
Too many people only find out about this when they're in the emergency room.
Stop the Press! Stop the Press!
I hate to gloat, but.....
Gorodn the Magnificent | Email | Homepage | 09.03.04 - 10:55 pm | #
Soooon...you are so behind. Been there, done that...we know already. Every wingnut dingaling from here to Pluto has been wetting themselves over it. How nice for you. Helluva thing it took so long, now, ain't it? And it's too damn bad there's still a lot of election to go. But dig it while it lasts, my boy.
Silleigh,
Anybody pick up somewhere last week that one of those super-models... the one who posed nekkid for PETA as a statement about wearing fur... was just picked up as the spokes-stick for Blackglama furs?
That is awesome. Man, sometimes you just gotta laugh. Then you gotta smoke more pot. Hey, money talks and bullshit walks, I reckon.
the only obligation that have to me is to be delicious.
Okay, that's cold. AND funny.
Hey, that's me in a nutshell, sister. And like I said, beyond that, the critters are cool to do their thing without interference from me.
Silleigh, Backslider -
Behold! The Gatekeeper!
Rorschach -- I missed that, boy howdy. Kafkaesque, indeed. Down below, I wrote that tonight seemed more like Lobotomy Country. Swear to God it's WEIRD.
Could some of 'em, maybe including Scarborough, be just utterly weary of all the poo-flinging of the past several months? I'm beginning to realize how tired it makes a body to pay attention to this stuff. Being angry is necessary sometimes, but it's exhausting when it's sustained. I'm pretty sure, though, that Scarborough will be back in regular form by tomorrow or Monday at the latest.
Hyperbolic Pants
Having listened to two completely different videos of the Dean scream -- one with the feed solely from the directional microphone he was holding (you heard the scream and almost nothing of the crowd cheering) and one from a microphone on a camera in the crowd (you heard the crowd cheering and almost nothing of the scream) who can say with 100% certainty what went on when Bush announced Clinton's hospitalization. It all depends on the microphones and the feeds used.
How many Americans suffer from chest pains and take Tylenol or Prilosec because they don't want to go to the doctor, or don't want to be diagnosed with a pre-existing condition?
Or because they have no insurance.
Stop the Press! Stop the Press!
I hate to gloat, but.....
Speaking of polls, good catch from someone at Kos:
Throughout today's Inside Politics, Judy Woodruff and company trumpeted the just-released Time Magazine poll showing Bush with an 11-point lead over Kerry. She asked Mary Beth Cahill about it, sternly asking "Are you upset about this development, obviously Bush has a big bounce out of their convention," and she probably mentioned the poll about 6 times within the hour.
Well, right before the sign-off, they cut back to Woodruff, who obviously thought she was off camera. And she's talking to someone (unseen), and she says this:
"She said it was an outlier, there's another poll out today that shows them tied."
Then the Cryptkeeper came to her senses, realized she was on camera, and froze, looking into the lens like a President reading a children's book about a goat.
That's just another postcard from the SCLM, from their perch far far away from responsible journalism. They never mentioned the "other poll" once on the show, but managed to slip in the 11-point lead meme about 6 times. Disgusting.
Update [2004-9-3 16:55:40 by dday]: Pyewacket gives a full transcription: "She said there may be problems with that poll, there's another poll out today that shows them even...[then, a little dismissively] I don't know what it is."
Toonscribe:
I was in the room with Dean. I'm well aware of the problems of directional mics.
That's completely irrelevant here. Please engage your brain. Here is what the article said:
"Bush's audience of thousands in West Allis, Wis., booed."
All you have to do is look at the tape (and I watched the damn thing LIVE) to see that that sentence is not true. Moreover there have now BEEN eyewitness reports that dispute the original AP report.
Now some moron is going to come along and argue that it's stupid to think that nobody booed. That moron will have no grasp on basic logic. I've been saying all fucking day that I'm sure some idiots booed. But that doesn't make this sentence:
"Bush's audience of thousands in West Allis, Wis., booed."
... a true, or even *close* to true characterization of what happened.
We'd be losing our freaking minds with fury if the AP had done this to Kerry because a couple of nuts booed.
GWPDA -- If Shock were up here in my lap lookin' at the screen, he'd have pooped himself.
Ain't NOBODY messin' wit' the Gatekeeper!
The Mayor Of Looneyville
20 hours of programming on the dirtboaters --any tiny moment of sanity is a big abberation--
this is the guy who parades around in the flight suit although he never served and yet has the nerve to say some of the things he did about Kerry? And then he would have that famous Viet Nam war re enactor Pat Buchanan who cannot say enough bad things about Kerry.
Scarborough is the kind of the poo flingers
Some interesting tidbits from the Times poll:
*Have the United States’ actions in Iraq made the world safer? Almost half (45%) think the United States’ actions in Iraq have made the world safer, while 45% think the world is more dangerous.
*The Economy: Survey respondents were split on the President’s handling of the economy. Almost half (48%) said the approved of Bush’s handling of the economy, while 48% said the disapproved.
*Iraq: Half (50%) of those surveyed approve of the way President Bush is handling the situation in Iraq, while 46% disapprove.
*Health care: 48% trust Senator Kerry to handle health care issues, while 42% trust Bush.
*When asked what they consider are the most important issues, 25% of registered voters cited the economy as the top issue, followed by 24% who cited the war on terrorism as the top issue. The situation in Iraq was rated the top issue by 17% of registered voters, moral values issues such as gay marriage and abortion were the top issue for 16% of respondents, and health care was the most important issue for 11% of respondents.
And, to add to it, just slightly over half the polled (52%) said Iraq was a good idea. So, yeah...resounding success, there, George.
I hate to gloat, but.....
Gordon the Magnificent
Yeah, hope that works out for you, pardner.
In keeping with how the GOP markets...
Some people booed.
Reasonable people can disagree about how many people booed.
That booing was really bad. We disaprove of all expressions of feeling. I'm going to support that in congress, next week. Hopefully the GOP will join us in condemning the booing.
Folks, the cows were mooing!
Silleigh - This is why I sleep at night. The Gatekeeper is keeping watch - guarding my foyer.
Good, good boy!
Oncler - Love your comment and believe you're right. I am amazed at the people who say that Kerry doesn't have it in him. I am amused that the right is convinced he doesn't have it in him.
They are getting ready to find out. People keep misunderestimating John Kerry. Sheesh, he's only known who and what George W. is since they were in their twenties. He's only been chasing down this group's twisted deals for 20 years.
What? Stop Bill Press?!
You honestly expect Kerry to do better than Gore in debating Bush? As much as I'd really like to think so, I don't think we can count on it. Sorry. We've got to win this one on the ground.
And we will, if we don't nod off into self-defeatism.
Shun the trolls!
It wasn't that long ago that the White House got into a fight with David Letterman over what really happened which it eventually lost. The News Network involved was willing to change their story repeatedly for the White House. The irrational Clinton haters booed. Rove and the SCLM realized it played really badly. Down the memory hole it goes.
The AP makes an erronous report and all you moonbats swooned in on the false info like rats on cheese and made complete asses of yourselves.
Was there a Friday evening story dump that I missed, or was there just nothing today?
I mean, other than further information that the Israeli spy in the Pentagon was linked to Chalabi...
Jenny from the Blog,
You probably Know this already, but I saw a replay of Aawnold, and he did say dat he watched da race, not Da debate.
Fuck, but dats da facts.
BTW, LC, our cat just brought in a Cicada, At least is not doing that fricking noise like the last one!
I'm tellin youse - wait til Americans have explained to them what an "ownership society" really and truly is.
In a nutshell, it's basically "third world country" where the rich benefit because they can afford to "own" and the poor who can't are just fucked.
The AP makes--
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Notice ALL these polls, not just TIME's, have questioned about 500-800 people. That is simply not enough of a sample to be accurate for a pop. of 300 million people. IMO they're ALL BS. I'd like to see something with 3,000 polled.
agave, but in the past, he's told the exact same story, using the word "debate" rather than "race." But yes, he was more careful in his lying this time. Except that scholars are calling bullshit on him seeing Soviet tanks in Austria. But it's okay, because he's Arnold and all that.
BTW, the moronic brownshirt fucks' sudden grave concern over proper reporting is truly touching. Here's a suggestion: tell it to Instacracker, ok, motherfuckers?
The AP makes an erronous report and all you moonbats swooned in on the false info like rats on cheese and made complete asses of yourselves.
"Look! Everyone look at me! Hello, troll here! Not just any troll but GORDON. Come on!!
Anyone gonna look...Hello??"
(crickets chirp)
Hyperbolic Pants
I, too, saw the Bush announcement live -- on CNN. I don't know exactly what kind of sound the audience made -- I couldn't tell from their sound feed. It sounded more like mixed cheering and drawn out "noooo"s when he asked them to pray for a speedy recovery for Clinton. Can't tell how many cheered and how many did the other. That's all I'm pointing out: you can't necessarily tell from a tv sound feed.
Attaturk,
I'm becoming a bigger and bigger fan of yours every day.
Issue two:
I think it is shocking that people, supporters of George W. Bush, would cheer and whoop and holler about the hospitalization of Bill Clinton. That kind of behavior just shows what kind of looney loopey supporters this President attracts. I am troubled to think that the Bush Cheney campaign would whip this crowd into a frenzy over the illness of a fellow American. That kind of behavior is unacceptable to the vast majority of Americans.
Let me tell you who he appealed to. Who do you think, Mr. Snerdley? Reagan Democrats. Reagan Democrats last night were probably standing up at home and cheering as well. Reagan Democrats. That's what gave Reagan his big landslide in 1988, and this was who Zell Miller appealed to last night. This was a revival of the Reagan Democrats as much as anything else that was going on. It was an affirmation for all of us.
Every time I hear the word "moonbat", I think of the word "gourdhead".
Moonbat
Gourdhead
MOONBAT!
GOURDHEAD!
Moon Bat
Gordon the Magnificent
Gourd. Head.
That is all.
Let me tell you who he appealed to. Who do you think, Mr. Snerdley? Reagan Democrats. Reagan Democrats last night were probably standing up at home and cheering as well. Reagan Democrats. That's what gave Reagan his big landslide in 1988, and this was who Zell Miller appealed to last night. This was a revival of the Reagan Democrats as much as anything else that was going on. It was an affirmation for all of us.
Channeling Inspector Rosenfeld from Twin Peaks: "Look, it's trying to think."
You're wrong, Gordon.
They're not going to vote for him because of the words he delivered in a speech.
People are tired of the words when Bush continues to fail to back them up.
Why don't you people understand that?
This was a revival of the Reagan Democrats as much as anything else that was going on. It was an affirmation for all of us.
Gordon the Magnificent | Email | Homepage | 09.03.04 - 11:30 pm | #
What, you mean racist cracker assholes who long for the day when the Donkey was the party of guys like Strom Thurmond and Ross Barnett and George Wallace?
Hell, you might be onto something there, Leroy.
Editor and Publisher reports Knight Ridder said there were boos. AP had boos and changed it to Oooohs. Yeah, ooohs, yeah, right, whatever.
Well, since you're "happy to accept that Clinton wasn't really booed"... " "though"... :D
If you go back and read the first AP story it says that an "audience of thousands booed."
How big was this audience that microphone placement had to be just right in order to catch an audience of thousands booing?
That kind of behavior is unacceptable to the vast majority of Americans.
Phredd
I was just saying on the thread below that we've really got a mental-health emergency in this country. And I trust Kerry to deal with it way more than Bush...I definitely want the psychotic wingnuts to get the help they need. We don't want the smoking gun to be another anthrax attack, after all.
Six of one, half a dozen of the other. Let them suck bad press. This meme is rolling.
Besides, if the GOP leadership wants to release a statement condemning the boo-ers/cheerers, I'll be more than happy with that.
Toonscribe:
But you can *certainly* tell that this:
"Bush's audience of thousands in West Allis, Wis., booed."
... is not true!
And, given that we now have eyewitness reports, it's mindbogglingly stupid (as opposed to just stupid) that people are still insisting that it is true.
Notice ALL these polls, not just TIME's, have questioned about 500-800 people. That is simply not enough of a sample to be accurate for a pop. of 300 million people. IMO they're ALL BS. I'd like to see something with 3,000 polled.
Anonymous
Yeah. Per state.
Channeling Inspector Rosenfeld from Twin Peaks: "Look, it's trying to think."
rorschach
OMG, that's frikkin' great. From now on, when I see Gourd Head here, I'll visualize in my mind Andy the Deputy right after he stepped on that loose porch board and staggered around the yard!
BWAH HA HA!
George,
The audio is available online. Listen for yourself and hear if there are any boos.
Here's something just for a laugh. It's possible that O'Reilly got punk'd Simpsons style when he responded to a viewer letter from Springfield from a guy named Jack Mehoff.
George Johnston:
What an incredibly dishonest reading of that article. Why don't we just quote it and see what it really says.
"A Knight Ridder/Tribune (KRT) report put it this way: "Some in Bush's audience booed when he wished Clinton well...." The AFP wire report declared that after Bush's statement "thousands of boisterous supporters clapped respectfully.""
I'd like to see something with 3,000 polled.
You mean like the Economist poll?
The video offers definitive proof that that just didn't happen. The AP reporter got it very, very wrong.
Apparently, the BBC America reporter also got it just as 'wrong'. Does anyone know if they co-operate with AP? I know AP journalists don't confine their craft only to the AP but don't know if there is any BBC connection -- anyone know?
That's what gave Reagan his big landslide in 1988, and this was who Zell Miller appealed to last night.
Ah yes, the landslide...a little more than half of the one-third of Americans who were registered to vote.
Ah yes, the Southern Strategy. States' rights. And so forth.
Zell Miller. Lester Maddox. Reagan Democrats. Yes, it's an affirmation...a beautiful, beautiful affirmation.
Funny how desperately the RNC is scrambling to get Zell Millstone from around their pudgy red necks.
Be Positive, the truth will prevail.
May the best man win!
Kerry in a Landslide.
One time in Cambodia, I mean Laos.
Well, Vietnam.
Where the hell did I self inflict my wounds again?
hyperbolic pants, people booed.
Enough booed that it made an impression. I don't care that it wasn't thousands.
That's beside the point.
The rethugs brought this on themselves with their continuous bashing og Clinton and the books by Coulter et al and Limbaugh's constant hatefest.
Get lost. Understand. I don't want to hear your pathetic defense.
"Zell Millstone" - Philalethes
Now THAT is friggin' funny.
While Atrios was "delaying" correcting the story, hundreds of freepers were accusing Clinton of stage-managing this heart attack. It's not that farfetched that the party of the purple band-aid would react like this, so cheney your conspiracy theories, trolls.
Where the hell did I self inflict my wounds again?
John Kerry | Email | Homepage | 09.03.04 - 11:39 pm | #
I thought you were vamoosing, usamabinlazy.
Four more years! Four more years!
flip flop
Vote for me! I'm a War Hero!
BLT,
There's a lot of room between reality and "not far-fetched".
If you're interested in reality...
St Peter:
How did the BBC characterize it? Did they say a few people booed? Did they say some people booed? Did they say the audience of thousands booed?
Do people really think that doesn't matter?
Yeah. Welcome to the O-Zone.
Gordon, you'll never be a hero.
Jealous?
Backslider,
You want to play peek-a-boo with my asshole later?
Awww, he got his poor little head handed to him downthread as UBL, so now he's posting as John Kerry.
I'll take that as your concession speech, Hiawatha.
Pie:
Get lost?
Fuck you. I have every bit as much right to be here as you do, you obnoxious twit.
WTF? Nobody can post here if they disagree with pie?
Um...
Some interesting tidbits from the Times poll:
*Have the United States’ actions in Iraq made the world safer? Almost half (45%) think the United States’ actions in Iraq have made the world safer, while 45% think the world is more dangerous.
How come the 45% supporting the Bush position rates an "almost half," and is cited first, when the SAME PERCENTAGE is just plain old "45%"?
*The Economy: Survey respondents were split on the President’s handling of the economy. Almost half (48%) said the approved of Bush’s handling of the economy, while 48% said the disapproved.
At least they said "split," but again, the first one is approval of Bush and is "almost half," while the second is just "48%" and, well, listed second.
Just sayin'. (In between watching both of these back-to-back TDSs, which is making it hard to concentrate 'cuz I'm laughing my ass off.)
Oh, struck a nerve, didn't I, cowardly Gordon.
heehee.
Love it.
Night all.
Name stealer at pie. Again!
One time I shot a Vietnamese kid in the back as he ran away from me.
I called him a VC and got me another medal!
I'm a hero!
Definately name-stealer pie. If anyone should know better, she sure as hell would.
BBC World said boos.
Where is the video!
Now THAT is friggin' funny.
MisterX
Thanks! It just popped into my head. But it does seem pretty appropriate...something that deserves wider useage, perhaps...?
Of course, my favorite philosopher is Jesus Christ and I pray a lot every day and I feel that God speaks through me...so I guess he hates these fucking clowns as much as I do!
Man, the brownshirts are really fucking scared, aren't they?
OT:
Making it plain--
Mr. Bush, you've had a blank check for the past four years, where's the beef?
Was there a Friday evening story dump that I missed - like clockwork: Medicare premiums to rise 17% in 2005.
Hyperbolic pants. BBC America radio only reported 'booing in the audience' and that it was 'mean spirited'. That was about the jist of it.
Gordon, you moron, Reagan didn't run for office in 1988.
I was lurking on dKos when this came up, and I asked there if anyone had access to a raw AP feed with the correction on it. Usually if the editors issue a major correction there will be a bit of explanation. An individual with such access wrote back with info on how the "writethru" was done--no explanation given, which I thought odd. I found a full version of the story, sans the boos paragraph, that had a byline. I emailed the reporter and asked her what up? As of this hour, no response. Not holding my breath either.
St Peter:
Well, *that* I wouldn't doubt at all. It would be impossible to gather more than 100 wingnuts in a room together and not have at least one of them do something stupid and offensive.
The Freepers are beating each other up over the proper way to handle big dog's ills. Half of them are cheering and the other half are praying.
It's always refreshing to know that some things never change.
Half of them are cheering and the other half are praying.
Praying for what outcome?
Funny how desperately the RNC is scrambling to get Zell Millstone from around their pudgy red necks.
I'm posting this again because I think it's funny, dammit:
Memo
To: Zell Miller, D-Georgia
From: Human Resources, Republican National Committee
Re: Application for Employment
Senator Miller:
Thank you for your recent application for employment as attack dog with our organization. Your credentials are spotless and we were very impressed with your audition Wednesday night. Unfortunately, the market at this time is saturated. Enclosed please find your thirty pieces of silver. We have also included a tube of Ambusol for your rectum. The swelling should go down in a couple of days, but you may experience bleeding up through November 2nd. Again, thank you for your interest.
Regards,
RNC
[...]
Fuck you. ..., you obnoxious twit.
[...]
hyperbolic pants
Hypergolic rants, you're starting to sound like a Troll.
See ya Tuesday...
Imagine if some Dems supposedly booed Reagan when it was announced he had alzheimer's...
Stinky
Ummm, wouldn't that have been a good thing? I'm pretty sure I cheered. Well, not cheered, but I kind of thought "Heh, maybe you shouldn't have put all those homeless and mentally ill people out on the street, sucker."
Yeah that's right. I'm a troll because I tell someone to fuck off when they tell me to get lost for disagreeing with them.
Sure.
Perhaps the AP report was only trying to convey the size of the audience and that some members booed. Although it is awful hard to read it that way it is still conceivable -- barely.
But, most of the sloppiest writing I've seen in my life has been under an AP byline.
From Lambert over at corrente:
Why don't we change the name "Labor Day" to "Reagan Day"? I can't believe nobody has ever thought of this before.
Do people really think that doesn't matter?
Yeah. In this climate, yeah.
Even IF the AP reporter was an unabashed Dem partisan, so WHAT? If you flip the sitch, if this had been "done to" Kerry, it wouldn't be nearly as bad as what the media's already done to him with the ceaseless airing of Swiftshit. I'm not going to lose one wink of sleep over the issue and all this concern over one reporter's accuracy seems REALLY misplaced.
There is no way to know if a story that pops up on your screen is true or not but the fact that many people immediately believed that some Republicans were vile enough to boo an ailing Bill Clinton just shows you what a sorry state this nation is in. And the fact that last night George Bush stood there with a shit-eating grin on his face while those protesters were dragged out of the Garden is even more evidence of how screwed up things are. I wish we had a President who, when seeing such a thing, would say to himself "We are so polarized these days that something simply must be done so that we can heal these divisions we are facing" instead of apparently thinking something along the lines of "Oh, get a load of that silly woman trying to attack me here, who the hell does she think she is? That's right, you guys, get here out of here!"
Incidentally, for fans of troll zoology -- America's Nemesis seems to be out, so I'll pinch-hit:
"Usama" below was outed as mishit, the shmuck puppydog, or at least a sycophant. One of the distinguishing features of the mishit troll is the attempt to seize the moral grounds of "authenticity": Knecht as fake military guy, "usama" as an Apache (!). The primary purpose of the mishit troll is to derail and stretch out the thread. The mishit troll indeed has an idiotic, yet almost purist concept of trolling, one more in tune with old usenet "trolling" lore than the more contemporary definitions of a "troll" as someone deliberately being a dick (which definition applies perfectly well to the mishit troll as well, of course). Mishit trolls also like identity shifting and sock puppetry; remember "Toodles!" That was mishit as well. There is a mishit sock puppet on this thread now, BTW; mishit trolls will usually switch identities upon being busted, and then jump threads. Roach metaphors (or "mataphiz!") work here.
Mishit trolls are not as likely as other troll species to deliberately break Haloscan or engage in similar shenanigans. They are, nevertheless, always useless, half-bright little shitstains.
"the crowd was shouting? Something more recent than Boog Powell, but my memory has gone to bed for the night.
Well, here in Beantown we had Dwight Evans ("DOOOO..."), and now have a kid named Kevin Youkalis ("YOOOOK.."), which mighta been a bit confusing for an outsider..
And all true rock fans know that Bob Dylan wasn't REALLY booed at Newport; it was just that Boog Powell was in the audience..
Wanna see some really sick Clinton hatred? Go visit our very special friend Lucianne..
Thersites,
Can't help it, but I'm getting a Jane Goodall vibe here.
Man, the brownshirts are really fucking scared, aren't they?
Actually, it's the Kerry campaign that's in a tiff. They're rearranging staff, having an unprecendented acceptance speech followup (which, so far is playing as petty and unpresidential), and doing everything they can to supress whatever the swiftvets have to say.
The Kerry campaign is clearly scared.
You can tell the campaign that isn't on a roll by how loudly they call for debates, and follow it with screaming about how they aren't being granted enough debates.
Kerry is getting dangerously close to the wheels coming off his campaign. If the rest of the party and his staff are as petty as this group is on the Boo topic (if they boo'ed they're bad...if they cheered they're bad...if they sent flowers they're bad) they'll allow it to happen in blissful, self-decieving ignorance.
Actually, I shouldn't be telling you this. I'll go now and let you self-destuct in peace.
Of course they didn't boo. What kind of monster would boo when someone is wishing for a sick person's speedy recovery.
JFK,
Thanks for sharing your hallucination with us.
Lets say there was a heat wave. Maybe in France. And maybe thousands of elderly died. Think any bottom feeder wingnuts would think that's great?
Kerry often hallucinates. Hell, according to him the last 35 years are one big Viet Nam flashback.
Lets say there was a heat wave. Maybe in France. And maybe thousands of elderly died. Think any bottom feeder wingnuts would think that's great?
Impossible! Never in a million years!
why didn't you just retract, why a backhanded retraction?
But anyways it does matter, since it was reported that Bush didn't say anything. If he heard mostly cheers, then he wouldn't have said anything, right? So if the video and audio don't report boos, then probably Bush didn't hear anything.
Anyways, several people present also said there were cheers, not boos.
There's been enough hate in this election, lets not add.
"the crowd was shouting? Something more recent than Boog Powell, but my memory has gone to bed for the night.
Well, here in Beantown we had Dwight Evans ("DOOOO..."), and now have a kid named Kevin Youkalis ("YOOOOK.."), which mighta been a bit confusing for an outsider..
And all true rock fans know that Bob Dylan wasn't REALLY booed at Newport; it was just that Boog Powell was in the audience..
Wanna see some really sick Clinton hatred? Go visit our very special friend Lucianne..
John F'n Kerry - That was the most amazing piece of projection I've ever seen! Kudos!
I'm imagining it spoken in a quavering weenie voice...
Can't help it, but I'm getting a Jane Goodall vibe here.
It's the poop-throwing.
Notice also the insult that the Kerry campaign is in a "tiff."
Mishit trolls often betray themselves by using the vocabulary of very innocent, very pale Midwestern debutantes who have just downloaded their first gangsta-rap MP3s.
"So if the video and audio don't report boos"
What video and audio? Where? Before I go nuts somebody please tell me where the video and audio is!
Not that stupid drudge link. That'll put me over the edge.
"Anyways, several people present also said there were cheers, not boos."
Where did you see that? Where I ask! Please post link.
Also,
How would you like to have instastupid for a brother in-law? That's why he has a page on MSN, he has to be Gates bother in-law. That has to be it.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news...dex&cid=578&/?
u
yahoo news page click Bush and Kerry Trade Jabs on the Campaign Trail -
(Much longer haloscan breaking url - one day I will add tinyurl - I swear)
From the srticle - hard-assed attacks from Kerry - (not surrogates) "Kerry launching a fierce counter-attack on Republicans who "can't tell the truth." "
That's calling them liars.
More: " "now certain to be the first president since the Great Depression to face re-election without creating a single job." "
That's calling them on the facts on the ground. Under Democrat leadership for 8 years 22,000,000 jobs created, under Bush -1 million jobs lost
Yesterday he said, and I hope he repeats it that he thought this Republican duo was unfit to lead. He also called them on their ties to the Saudis - I'm so ready to hear the truth in the public discourse on the issues
I see Kerry's attacks attacks getting stronger and stronger up until the final day of the campaign - I'm jazzed! - Heavy handed criticism of the President during the spring and summer of his Presidency was not loyal during a time of international conflicts and might embolden the enemy - this is now the campaign the President is now fair game on everything he asserts - he called him a liar!
and to get Kerried is to have Kerry point his shop into the line of fire and hunt you down and kill you - Go Kerry!
I've not seen online video (but I haven't looked, either). I watched it live, and have also been watching MSNBC all day, and they replayed the clip constantly throughout. My understanding is that CNN has been doing the same.
Ah, Boog Powell... goddamn, what a fucking GREAT dactyl...
One of the greatest dactyls to ever play the game.
so why would two different news services pull something like this out of their ass, simce Drudge didn't report it first? I'm guessing the WH, who said it was applause on their website, said to change the story, much like the CNN/Letterman debacle
(Incidentally, Josh Marshall's latest update quotes our very own WH'ho... and I heard 'oohs' rather than boos from replays.)
"Someone should, you know, call the reporter and ask why the hell it was reported if it didn't happen..."
Josh Marshall apparently did, and the guy says no boos.
My guess is that a few folks started to boo when they heard Clinton's name, then shut up fast when it was followed by "was hospitalized."
Hard to know what the reporter was thinking with that graf if that was the case tho. Wonder how secure her job is right now?
Kerry is getting dang--
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BTW, I really don't give a shit if the "crowd" "booed," a few random Freepers "booed," or nobody "booed." But from the frantic indignation of every moronic brownshirt fuck posting, I'm more than willing to say "we just don't know" and let 'em keep shitting in their pants...
(And personally, I'm betting the press types were right in the middle of a pool of booing, aka the candidate's staff...)
agave -
yeah. i did hear that. but thanks for remembering to clue me in. always good to have people around to keep you honest.
*
Confidential to Pierce Wetter: Royal High School alumni?
Fire the incompetent, lazy bastards that wrote the article and be done with it.
Anyone who looks at the video and listens to the audio knows there was not 1000s booing. It is just another obvious and very clumsy attempt to color the news.
From TPM:
"They didn't boo. More accurately, the overwhelming number of people didn't boo (I heard maybe one or two, and even those died with "hospitalized.") AP got it wrong."
Bush:
"Clinton has been hospitalized"
So from the word Clinton to the word hospitalized one or two boos started and stopped? And this source heard that? Not bloody likely!
"Hard to know what the reporter was thinking with that graf if that was the case tho"
Maybe the reporter was thinking people are booing.
Then rove called and the reporter was fired.
"been watching MSNBC all day, and they replayed the clip constantly throughout"
Yes, yes, replaying it all day. Like the fireplace video you get out at christmas time. It's looping and looping. Stop it!
Anyone who looks at the video and listens to the audio knows there was not 1000s booing.
No we don't.
We just don't know.
We can't trust dozens of official Navy records that award a man some of their highest honors. How can we be expected to trust a video tape with selectively-recorded audio?
So again I say - we just don't know.
Stop what? Telling the truth about what I saw and heard? In your own words, "not bloody likely."
Vaguely cat-related: The Guardian has an editorial (excuse me, "leader") about the Repubican convention entitled "Led by a smiling tiger". It ends with this:
His is the smile on the face of one of the most ruthless political tigers of the modern age.
Funny that the name of the sabre-toothed tiger was Smilodon.
"shop" - sheesh! ship of course.
Check please!
'Many people say' there was booing. That's what I'm concluding from this story.
John Brown,
Are you my next door neighbor? The one that's been trying driving me crazy for years.
WHAT VIDEO? WHERE?
Link please.
I like drudge. He has a link to a transcript from a "local news source" that doesn't mention boos. Local to D.C. It's the white house web site transcript. Does it get any dumber than this?
The video on fucking TV!
I'm sure at some point it will show up online.
You've apparently got that Internet thingy in your home. Why not look for it your own damn self!
Look fucking where?
It's not there.
How about this smart ass: You help me out and post the link.
I have to assume at this point that you can not read. I can't imagine any other reason why you would continue to ask for a link I have already told you multiple times that I do not have, since I'm talking about video ON THE FUCKING TV.
head exploding....
WTF. I put my faith in veterans and hearby decree that Kerry wins. He wins because it SHOULD be so. If I was Dr. Seuss, I'd have a rhyme, but sort of like Horton who hatched an egg; it.should. be.so. Just as Clinton prevailed, as a poor son of a single mother from Arkansas. Kerry's place is hardwon in those treacherous jungles of Viet Nam (hellholes for those too young to have experienced that unlucky and totally wrenched reality.) Yeah, he may have been a few miles short of Cambodia, but what the fuck? He was there. And anyone who lived through those times knows that is FAR from nothing. Terror, thy name was Viet Nam. So, I need know nothing else. He went. Bushwad didn't and that's all ye know on earth and all ye need to know.
I watched it on it on BBC today. BBC anchors said there was booing. I definitely heard some booing but, not from the whole crowd. More than one or two were booing though. Perhaps just coming off their convention they were all still hopped up on hate and reacted instinctively as any good freeper would to Clinton's name and started booing before they heard the rest of the sentance?
My brother makes a living tweaking audio for films. For example, if you listen to Fox and CNN's broadcast of the Dean scream it will prove no one else was making noise.
I wasn't there but I know Republican wingnuts; tell me how many people in the audience are denizens of instahack, little green snotballs or freepers and I can tell you how many would reflexively boo at the mention of Clinton's name.
5 months ago a Columbine victim's father walked into an NRA convention and had people screaming "get a life" at him.
We all know damn well that thousands of Republicans did boo. They just happened to be at home in front of their t.v. sets.
Bill Clinton has heart problems?
I BLAME BUSH.
--
Strange, it sounded like boos to me. I guess it must have been like on the Simpsons, they were really shouting, "Boo.. urns, boo... urns".
"I wasn't there but I know Republican wingnuts; tell me how many people in the audience are denizens of instahack, little green snotballs or freepers and I can tell you how many would reflexively boo at the mention of Clinton's name.
George Johnston"
I have never heard such inane crap as I have from the left in the last few years. I watched that speech and Bush was sincere and showed more class than anyone on the other side. His comments were met with cheers and flag waving and applause. Get your facts for yourselves and don't just let people feed you garbage. Listen to the words of the men and women who spoke at the convention this last week. REally listen to them. Don't just blindly follow the party. I was a democrat my whole life but the democratic party of truman, john F kennedy, roosevelt, lincoln, does not exist any more. The men who lead the democratic party now are not even in the same world as those honorable men. I am ashamed of them.
I have never heard such inane crap as I have from the left in the last few years. I watched that speech and Bush was sincere and showed more class than anyone on the other side. His comments were met with cheers and flag waving and applause. Get your facts for yourselves and don't just let people feed you garbage. Listen to the words of the men and women who spoke at the convention this last week. REally listen to them. Don't just blindly follow the party. I was a democrat my whole life but the democratic party of truman, john F kennedy, roosevelt, lincoln, does not exist any more. The men who lead the democratic party now are not even in the same world as those honorable men. I am ashamed of them.
I have never heard such inane crap as I have from the left in the last few years. I watched that speech and Bush was sincere and showed more class than anyone on the other side. His comments were met with cheers and flag waving and applause. Get your facts for yourselves and don't just let people feed you garbage. Listen to the words of the men and women who spoke at the convention this last week. REally listen to them. Don't just blindly follow the party. I was a democrat my whole life but the democratic party of truman, john F kennedy, roosevelt, lincoln, does not exist any more. The men who lead the democratic party now are not even in the same world as those honorable men. I am ashamed of them.
I have never heard such inane crap as I have from the left in the last few years. I watched that speech and Bush was sincere and showed more class than anyone on the other side. His comments were met with cheers and flag waving and applause. Get your facts for yourselves and don't just let people feed you garbage. Listen to the words of the men and women who spoke at the convention this last week. REally listen to them. Don't just blindly follow the party. I was a democrat my whole life but the democratic party of truman, john F kennedy, roosevelt, lincoln, does not exist any more. The men who lead the democratic party now are not even in the same world as those honorable men. I am ashamed of them.
I have never heard such inane crap as I have from the left in the last few years. I watched that speech and Bush was sincere and showed more class than anyone on the other side. His comments were met with cheers and flag waving and applause. Get your facts for yourselves and don't just let people feed you garbage. Listen to the words of the men and women who spoke at the convention this last week. REally listen to them. Don't just blindly follow the party. I was a democrat my whole life but the democratic party of truman, john F kennedy, roosevelt, lincoln, does not exist any more. The men who lead the democratic party now are not even in the same world as those honorable men. I am ashamed of them.
George, get a grip! If someone says All X = Y, all one needs disprove that statement is one instance of X != Y. You can clearly see and hear on the video (including when it was live) applause and cheering. An article that states that the audience of thousands booed is WRONG. If it had said that some members of the audience had booed, that would have been an entirely different and believable story. But that's not what it said. For God's sake take a logic refresher course or something.
Your CNN/Fox/Dean example is NOT applicable here. You can't prove a negative. You can, however, prove a positive. And there is positive visual and audio evidence of applause and cheers, and there was when it was LIVE! Please spare me your brothers' tweaking experience. I didn't hallucinate clapping and cheering people on live video, and as nefarious as the Bushies are, I'm pretty sure they haven't mastered instant holography.
You know, I have at least some respect for those who are taking the hypocritical stance... that is, they know the article was wrong, but they just don't care because it hurts Bush for a change. At least those people are living in the real world and making a practical decision about facts.
But the people who insist the original article is right, no matter what evidence is produced that it's wrong, are just freaky, IMO. What weird world do you live in?
Once is really *more* than enough Michelle.
Michelle - could you repeat that please? I didn't catch it the first 7 times.
"I was a democrat my whole life but the democratic party of truman, john F kennedy, roosevelt, lincoln, does not exist any more."
Uh, Michelle. Pretty sure Lincoln was a Republican.
And I DID listen to the men and women who spoke this week. REALLY. The keynote speech by Zell Miller (a dino, perhaps not unlike yourself during that phase of your life) was not merely vicious, hypocritical, and demonstrably false. It was fundamentally undemocratic. He objected to the very concept that "our commander-in-chief" (aka the president, an elected official) should be challenged and have any opposition at all:
"Now, while young Americans are dying in the sands of Iraq and the mountains of Afghanistan, our nation is being torn apart and made weaker because of the Democrat's manic obsession to bring down our Commander in Chief."
(By the way, Michelle. It's called an election.)
I don't think Lincoln would have approved:
"We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory, stretching from every battlefield and patriot grave to every living heart and hearthstone all over this broad land, will yet swell the chorus of the Union, when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature."
Lincoln's First Inaugural Address, March 4, 1861.
hey, look, a wingnut comes to soapbox.
hey you dumb whore, lincoln was a republican.
A wingnut is an Airman, just like a jarhead is a marine, a squid a seaman, and a grunt a soldier. I understand that the majority of people who have been using it as a political slur are probably ignorant of the word's use during the past fifty years (read the term applied to Army Air Corp too) but please find some other insult.
Re-packaging military slang and jargon (such as wingnut and chickenhawk) into a word of such vitriolic hate is pretty uncool.
Kalroy
Michelle -
Thanks for the history lesson!
I'm curious about the meaning of the "panty" part of your handle Hyperbolic.
Would that be "pants" as a noun, as in the rhyme "Liar, Liar", which might describe your claim of attendance at the West Allis rally or your support for Kerry, or
"pants" as a verb, which would describe your endless running off of the mouth as to whether 999 or 1001 people at West Allis booed a get well wish for President Clinton.
Would everyone STOP FEEDING THE GODDAMNED TROLLS?!
Where is Tom Daschle?
Has anyone seen Daschle?
Did the kidnappers leave a note?
Has his face been printed on Milk Cartons?
Clinton gave the Zell Miller speech
ten toes up! (that is eight better then two thumbs up)
Clinton was going to campaign for Kery this month wasn't he
Just a sneaking hunch Clinton didn't want to back the loser.
He isn't in for Heart surgery.
Thats just his excuse to abandon ship.
Clinton is getting a tummy tuck.
It wouldn't matter how the audience responded--it would be spun to make them look bad. Boos? We've seen what happened there. Applause? They're glad Clinton might die! Silence? That just shows the callous, uncaring nature of the Republicans, as reflected in [insert example here].
Hmmm - remember the claim on Drudge that the Kerry girls were booed at the MTV awards (or similar)? I heard that, and I didn't hear but some loud boos by a few, and even then quite ambiguous, but Drudge portrayed it as being a significant big deal. Some spin going on there... Who got after him for that? But what was the source of the Clinton stuff?
MESSAGE TO THOSE THAT STILL BELIEVE IN GHOSTS:
I don't know what amazes me more, the fact that the commenters on this site refuse to acknowledge that the AP report was inaccurate (or perhaps even motivated by a case of bias) or hyperbolic pants's incredibly dogged attempts to MAKE SOME FUCKING SENSE TO YOU PEOPLE.
I've got a big newsflash: there are delusional, nasty assholes on the right and on the left (many on this site). It's the way you express your partisanship (in an intellectually honest manner or not) that determines whether or not you are one of them and demonstrates whether or not you have the capability to make an effective argument that resonates.
Otherwise, you're just shrieking into a nutty echo chamber.
Take the advice from Hyperbolic Pants.
And Hypwerbolic, maybe you need to give up on commenting on this site. I certainly gave up on certain right wing sites that spew paranoia ...
One of those cases where the liberal media finally tries to come through and help out but ends up shooting themselves in the foot. What an idiot.......falsely reporting something like that could actually hurt John Kerry.
The incident shows the ultimate difference between left and right. We will accept the report was wrong and drop the matter. The right, even after hearing the report was wrong, would still keep referring to it until, like Dean's "screan" and Gore's "invention" of the internet, the false story became the "real" one.
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