I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
good one
btw i frist on dumbass brain
There have got to be pictures.
You were right to do it (one of the penalties from being out of town.)
I'm a strict 20% man myself. But I'm a liberal and I don't consider ordinary people to be my vassals.
Just to play devil's advocate, if they were being comped all those drinks that first night, how would they know exactly how much 17-25% was?
Plus, when you're trashed like these girls (and a lot of kids their age, to be fair) get, it's pretty easy to lose track of money . . . time . . . social position . . . balance . . .
I don't think Chelsea Clinton was this kind of a partier, was she?
Now, who are the better role models to their children? Bill and Hillary or George and Laura???
I have to admit Jenna and Barbara are the only thing about the Bush family I like.
Chelsea is a good girl. The Bush twins are tramps. And not in a good way.
I absolutely hate 'tip culture', because it smacks of a master-servant relationship. Ironic that it's so prevalent in the 'classless' US. I spent years working behind a bar in England, where you don't tip the staff (besides the 'one for yourself' at the end of the night) and I wish that the same principle applied in the States.
But, when in Rome... And I tip generously, because I know how meagre the wages are for most people who rely on tips. And because I'm not a fucking cheapskate overprivileged underachieving lush.
The key here is that the booze was comped - that means it was on the house. They received $4500 worth of drinks for FREE, and only left a $48 tip. That's atrocious.
At a minimum they should have left 15% or 20%, but it would have been a better thing to leave something much bigger since they were getting a $4500 bill comped. In my serving days, if a customer's bill was comped, they would usually leave something like a 50% tip (or sometimes more) since they weren't paying for the bill anyway.
So Jenna and Bar and their 25 friends of them ran up a bar tab of $4,500 in one night. That works out to $166.67 worth of drinks per person. I know Manhattan bars practice usury when charging for drinks, but even if the average drink cost, say, $10, that means each of the Bush people had between 16 and 17 drinks that evening.
There must have been purchases of very expensive fifths of vodka or something...
OK (he wrote upon closer reading of the Page Six item), not "purchases" of vodka, but the bartenders must have comped the most expensive bottles of liquor to the entourage.
How long before right-wing Coors goes after the Bush Twins?
OT: Meanwhile, Vlad seems to be getting into the very trendy undertaking look.
Making their Civil War into part of the GWOT.
If they racked up the charges on a credit card, it's bad for staff since you have to declare that you made 7% in tips off the bill and pay taxes on it.
I remember that Hillary Clinton, during her New York Senate campaign in 2000, had a photo-op at an upstate diner where she was given a free lunch. When she left without leaving a tip, the Murdoch folks went insane...
I don't think Chelsea Clinton was this kind of a partier, was she?
Not from what I've heard -- and certainly not by the time she went to Oxford. That is, when she was the JennaTwins' age.
And they were drinking level? Not only are they cheap, they've also god bad taste in vodka.
Figures.
The twins learned the right way to treat commoners from Big Time Dick.
Talk about fucking sad.
"OK (he wrote upon closer reading of the Page Six item), not "purchases" of vodka, but the bartenders must have comped the most expensive bottles of liquor to the entourage.
Andrew | Email | Homepage | 09.04.04 - 8:54 am | #"
In this situation I am reminded of a Bible passage. You don't waste your best product on drunks. Hell, starte giving them watered down Smirnoffs after the fifth or sixth one.
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The "twins" may appear OK,
But this is a bogus display.
They secretively nurse
A congenital curse,
That will put their evil in play.
This kind of stuff doesn't really mean very much. They probably have lackies (or the Secret Service) pay for their stuff.
What I found pretty shocking was the way they were both staged to look as infantile and vapid as possible. I mean, these are two grown women who graduated from the University of Texas and Yale and they were staged to look like they were both 14.
Says alot about conservative attitudes towards women.
I don't think it was staging. I think that they really are infantile and vapid. It runs in the family.
Just like seriousness and accomplishment run in Kerry's.
Pretty is as pretty does.
What I found pretty shocking was the way they were both staged to look as infantile and vapid as possible.
And the "soccer mom" target audience for their RNC convention speech doesn't tolerate snark from their own teenaged daughters. They must have responded coolly to the twins' onstage performance.
It's not like the President was ever modeled appropriate parenting skills for how to deal with out of control teenagers.
Cheap whores. Just like their parents.
I work with a lot of people in their twenties and the day after Jenna and Barbara giggled their way through bad one-liners, MSNBC replayed it constantly. I was amused to see all these young guys, who couldn't care less about politics, stop what they were doing, and rewatch the footage over and over again. I thought we'd drown in drool that day.
Forget the Osbournes, Jessica Simpson, that mob boss daughter.
The Bush twins would be make for great reality television!
Bush by the numbers, again
Worst
pResident
Ever
Strangely reverting to topic
My radio buddies, Don and Mike, have a tape of Jenna Jamison, porn star that they used to play whenever Jenna and NotJenna were mentioned in a news story
"Sorry I'm not wearing any clothes, I just got out of the shower"
"This skirt has been riding up my ass ALL day."
"Now here's the question I have to ask you- Do you mind if I take my clothes off?"
All statements made in a breathy, porno voice...
Hilarity usually ensues.
don and mike, of course are radio GODS!
I was amused to see all these young guys, who couldn't care less about politics, stop what they were doing, and rewatch the footage over and over again. I thought we'd drown in drool that day.
Well of course. It was like watching a car crash.
This is the way the way Republicans want to see young women, stupid, vapid bimbos.
Speaking of cheap ...
That whole obsession with Kerry's eleety $75 haircuts -- most of it must be mousse haw haw haw, good one Cletus -- while the First Regular Guy gets an honest manly $30 haircut is as phony as the Crawford "ranch".
It's meant to suggest that Bush walks into Joe's Barbershop somewhere and he walks out stinking of Barbisol but Kerry wears rollers and sits under a dryer to keep his elaborate waist-length Restoration hair in trim.
But Gooper bragging about the low pricetag on the Bush hair is all about the stylist being stiffed for actual time and effort -- and not being tipped.
The woman who cuts the First Hair used to cut Poppy's hair. She worked out of the Watergate Hotel's salon (don't remember which one.) She makes the trip to wherever the Chimperor's is and gives him the basic Richie Cunningham 97B. The $30 clearly doesn't include travel time, her transportation and tip, and I seriously doubt it's even the normal cost of the cut at the salon.
It's like bragging you're a regular guy for wearing athlete's footwear that "only" costs $20 bucks but quoting the wholesale price and the labor is eight years old kids born and dying in a sweatshop.
The Bush $30 haircut myth is just so ... Republican. (Maybe Dem oppo can get on this, just to bother Tom DeLay, who obsesses about hair so much you'd think he worked at Cosmo.)
Don and Mike?
It was one of their fans who got Michael "Savage" Weiner to melt down on air and call him a soddomite and effectively set his own tv career on fire.
On a sad/scary note, from my link
$3.29 Average amount allocated per person Nationwide in the first round of homeland security grants.
$94.40 Amount allocated per person for homeland security in American Samoa.
$36 Amount allocated per person for homeland security in Wyoming, Vice-President Cheney's home state.
$17 Amount allocated per person in New York state.
$5.87 Amount allocated per person in New York City.
$77.92 Amount allocated per person in New Haven, Connecticut, home of Yale University, Bush's alma mater.
76 Percentage of 215 cities surveyed by the US Conference of Mayors in early 2004 that had yet to receive a dime in federal homeland security assistance for their first-response units.
5 Number of major US airports at the beginning of 2004 that the Transportation Security Administration admitted were Not fully screening baggage electronically.
22,600 Number of planes carrying unscreened cargo that fly into New York each month.
Like Atrios, the Sanders family fortune measures a bit short of that of the Bush family.
I still tip at least 20%. Those people busting their asses to make sure you have a fresh drink in your hand make about $4 per hour. They rely on tips.
The last time I was comped anything was a $50 comp toward a meal at the classy restaurant at one of the local casinos here. Since it was comped (I wound up paying a little less than $11 after the comp), I tipped our waiter $20... he returned in about three minutes with coffee and cognac "on me". Good tipping has its rewards.
Tipping is not a city in China, Bushbitches...
Oops ... that hair-raising tale was me.
Well, then there's a lot of Republicans in the music and film industry...
And between you and me... these guys weren't "Republicans", just young men admiring good-looking girls who obviously like to party.
And that's something that politics and time... will never change...
(And I think to myself... what a wonderful world...) :D
I bet the Bush Bims get a lot of sneezers.
I listen to Don & Mike daily. Very entertaining.
I have heard that the Bush Boy does not tip well, himself. Can anyone confirm?
If that is the case, that would not surprise me in the least as it reveals the nasty little bastard's true character. And is fairly typical of what I have seen with folks that have never earned their money (i.e. they inherited it).
My mother got a big slug from her parents and like the Bush Boy, has never worked an honest day in her 69 years on the planet, but she hoards her money like King Midas.
Tipping story:
My wife and I normally haul our own bags, but on a ridiculous mess of a flight, where we were re-routed to JFK and had to get across to La Guardia in an hour flat for the connection, we decided to get a Skycap to help us out when we arrived at LGA.
Turns out that we've gone to the wrong terminal. The re-issued ticket says United, but the flight's operated by US Air, and so we're fucked. The bitch at the check-in desk says it's not her problem. Our Skycap calls over the supervisor, has a quick word, and next thing we know, we're checked in, taken through expedited security and put on a service shuttle across to the other terminal, right to the gate.
The Skycap got a very good tip.
those girls just love setting the example, don't they.
i'd like to wake up soon, end this nightmare.
My guess isn't that the girls are necessarily chintzy. (Their dad, OTOH, seems like the type who views stiffing everyone as a form of discount and therefore a sound business practice.)
Rather: (a) They don't realize that when something's comped, it doesn't mean the tip is comped, and (b) Do these girls strike you as capable of the math involved in figuring a tip? (The irony of Bush calling for a high school exit exam for math and science was pretty rich).
Hey Atrios,
Thanks.
Still fumagating the cab after the Zell Miller thing.
I think people watch them for the same reason they watch Paris Hilton.
I don't know how many drinks per person $4500 represents. Somebody needs to research what vodka costs at those clubs and do the math. But I would assume the secret service guys were not drinking, so leave them out of the equation.
Not to rain on everyone's hate-fest, but this was at the end of the article.
There was no repeat of the poor tipping that the Avalon staff experienced. A 17 club staffer said, "Yes, they were here, but they were actually great to the staff and tipped big. In fact, they even called on Friday to say thanks for a great night, so we are hoping to see them again."
As an aside, Jenna looks like George with hair and tits. Scary.
Unfortunately, this is par for the course for our political class. The Bushes have done it; so have the Cheneys; but, on the other hand, so have the Kennedys.
Stiffing waiters and shoplifting from small businessmen, often with the Secret Service as accessories, is a fairly frequent occurrence, no matter which party the culprit belongs to.
What Billy B said, though Molly may also have a point.
People who inherit their money -- especially people who aren't, ah, very spiritualy developed, tend to be a bit on the cheap side, in my experience: won't tip, stiff the cleaning lady, bitch constantly about having to support the public schools and libraries, count their change twice at the check out and argue over the bill when you're eating lunch with them (I usually pick up the check when I'm with this specific inherited wealth rethug I'm thinking of, even though she's rich from grandad's money and I'm working fifty hours a week to stay ahead of the rent bill, because I'm sick of arguing about who should pay what percentage of the goddamn sales tax).
It could, also, as someone said, just be that they were too drunk to notice how much money they were leaving. Hell, *I've* been that drunk before.
Atrios, your family fortune is not as vast as the Bushes? Yet Eschaton sound so very aristocratic!
The $30.00 haircut is today's version of Pat Nixon's "good Republican cloth coat." I guess that crap appeals to the suckers in the "heartland."
. . . especially people who aren't, ah, very spiritualy developed . . .
Now, there's a euphemism. Thanks, Delagar.
b) Do these girls strike you as capable of the math involved in figuring a tip?
Oh, come on. When you and a bunch of friends have partied all night long in an expensive club in NYC, you don't have to pull out your calculator to know that a $48 tip is not enough. $48 is a tip for a $240 bar bill. An idiot would know that $48 wasn't enough of a tip. These folks just don't care about poor working stiffs -- loosers in their book.
Seems to me that a 1% tip on a check you don't have to pay is actually a negative 99% tip. It reminds me of Cheney screwing over the vegetable seller a couple of weeks ago (handing the guy a 20 or whatever without even asking how much he owed).
I don't think anyone has really nailed this point yet, so here's my take:
When I was in grad school and waiting tables to pay the rent and tuition, the very worst shift to work was Sunday afternoon.
Because that's when the after-church crowd would come in. With huge packs of messy kids. They were loud, they were impatient and often impolite...and they didn't tip. One of my friends referred to them as the "Pentahostiles".
I'm sure they excused their behavior in their own minds by figuring that only a "godless" person would be working on the Sabbath; that therefore, it was God's will that such persons keep a lowly economic station and they should help God's will out a little.
It's the same attitude that permeates the corporate wing of the party, only given an appropriately pietous rationalization.
These cheap bastards are the Republican Party base. Understand now why they can be so easily suckered by promises of phony tax cuts?
I read in a couple of places last week that NYC was sick to death of the Repugs - they didn't spend much money there and were pretty much lousy tippers across the board. I said this then, but what the heck, it bears repeating - I'm sure this sideshow will end up costing NYC much more than it made from the delegates and politicians.
What a couple of low-class bitches.
Anyone with an iota of class knows that in a situation where you're lucky or important enough to get your stuff comped, you'd leave a tip at LEAST what half your bill would be.
Typical Bush, though - completely clueless and full of disdain toward the "hired help".
I read in a couple of places last week that NYC was sick to death of the Repugs - they didn't spend much money there and were pretty much lousy tippers across the board. I said this then, but what the heck, it bears repeating - I'm sure this sideshow will end up costing NYC much more than it made from the delegates and politicians.
Tena | Email | Homepage | 09.04.04 - 10:47 am | #
You had to be there to appreciate how many offices flat out closed and how many people went away - the subways and streets were dead all week. That's a lot of deli and happy-hour joints that didn't make any money. I know we didn't stay in Manhattan after 5pm to spend our usual cash. So if the delegates weren't spending either . . . . that's a lot of pissed off wait staff.
Let's face it, probably 90% of the rich are cheap. IT's in their genes. My middle class daughter went to the same prep school in MA as a certain prominent crimminal family (on merit) and the friends she chose in the first two years were almost all extremely wealthy. Poor kid tried to keep up with them socially, going with them to restaurants and shopping (their choice of venues) and blew all her hard earned pocket money from summer jobs within months. When she finally realized her stupidity she told us they always either split the tabs to thje penny or she had to pay. The worst two were from families worth >$500M and they knew she didn't have money. Needless to say, she has become a political warrior for the working class now.
Eat the rich! (or at least cook them and feed them to your pets.)
I doubt the cabbies made much last week either. The delegates rarely left the Green Zone, and when they did, mostly used their own bus.
doubt the cabbies made much last week either. The delegates rarely left the Green Zone, and when they did, mostly used their own bus.
Karin | Email | Homepage | 09.04.04 - 11:20 am | #
I'm still counting the pennies.
Goddammit,why does haloscan hate America?
$45? For 25 people? That's less than $2 a person. Jesus, this whole family is disgusting.
As someone said, the Bushies see the world divided into two categories: Them and the help.
I only hope the waiters realized that they were going to be stiffed by the cheap bastards and spit in all their drinks before serving them.
billfrombelfast - I know what it's like. I was working downtown for the Court of Appeals in Dallas when the Repugs brought their sideshow there. We all had a week off. It just closes a city down.
Fair and balanced? They tipped big the next night out; but all of this is suspect anyway, having been breathlessly reported by some society writer. The Bush girls may be bimbos, but you gotta tell the whole story or you'll have the credibility of Malkin or Novak.
Long, long ago I worked at a convention hotel at in a southern state as a waitress. The management used to open the bar after hours and buy us free drinks all night to get us to work on the days when the church groups were staying. They'd swarm the buffet, drink gallons of iced tea (at one point we figured out that our average mileage with iced tea containers in hand was about four and a half for the night), bully the bus staff out of takeout containers to take to the salad bar (later to be pulled rotting from under the beds by the maid), camp at a table for hours and leave a quarter tip each. We figured that the hotel was eating a loss of twenty-something dollars a person just on wholesale food costs.
It was not at all unusual for the ladies to call us "servants" and I once had my hand slapped for trying to take away a plate with a cigarette ground out on it because the woman who filled it wasn't finished eating.
I heard one of the wives say to her table that she didn't see why we should have to be tipped good money for bringing her food when she had to feed her husband for free.
Of course, her husband wasn't paying my mortgage.
Remember, church and the Republican party are the only opportunities a lot of people have to exhibit the kind of power-tripping behavior most people who work that way keep in the office.
I heard from a LOT of people in the service industry here in NYC that the Republicans were horrible tippers. I know, you're really surprised, right?
Most people don't know that employers of tipped employees can pay as little as $2.13/an hour minimum wage, depending on the particular state regs, as long as the income with tips equals the normal minimum wage. So whatever you are tipping your waiters, waitresses, bartenders, etc., is pretty much all they get.
tips are a regressive tax. I support tipping in no way. I say that as a person who has worked in a diner and the service industry. I don't want anyone who makes as little money as I do to feel obligated to pay me a gratuity for doing my job.
What's depressing is that this story is going to get about zero attention compared to the many expensive haircut stories told about Dems, because there's no media out there ready with a megaphone to blast it out, like Drudge and Limbaugh.
And yet the tipping story is about a thousand times more outrageous to most people. Which is worse rich people behavior, spending a hell of a lot for a haircut, or charging up a huge bill, have it covered by someone else, and then leaving a 1% tip? Which speaks more of greed and narcissism?
E-rock - If you are serious, then I'm just sure you never go to the same places twice. If you do, and you don't tip - LOL! I'd hate to think what is going on with your orders before they reach you.
Cheapskate.
I was at a bar one night in Austin when Jenna was there. My waitress told me then that she was a horrible tipper.
they spend other people's money better.
E-Rock, if you're serious, you've never schlepped a plate in your life, because you'd know the service industry mantra to shitty tippers is that if you can't afford to tip in a restaurant, stay the fuck home and eat.
Like Tena says, I sure hope you don't frequent any establishment where you're known to stiff your wait person.
wasn't there a story somewhere in blogworld during the RNC about Jenna/notJenna planning to take a party cruise boat out and after all the mechanics of working it out with SS guys, she/notShe tried to beat the captain down even more on his price and he then blew them off.
I'm really interested in how someone who's waited tables managed to live on less than the minimum wage.
That said, if you aren't willing to tip your server for treating you well, you should really stick to fast food.
As believable as it is, I'm still not comfortable with anyone treating the Murdoch-owned NY Post as anything remotely like a credible news source. 
Yes, as a former waitron I officially hate these overpriveledged scamps.
But what leaped out at me was:
The conservative cuties' next big night was Wednesday at Sixth Avenue nightclub Avalon, where they were in the crowd smoking cigarettes and pumping their fists to Kid Rock, who was performing on stage.
smoking cigarettes? In a club??? In Mike Bloomberg & George Pataki's New York???!!!!!
Since I moved back to Long Island a couple months ago, my best understanding is that it's basically illegal to smoke indoors anywhere in the state.
Maybe there's a loophole I didn't hear about, or maybe, you know, membership has its priveledges...
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good catch, michael. It is indeed illegal to smoke in any bars or restaurants in NYC.
Why comp them the alcohol in the first place?
Why comp them the alcohol in the first place?
When I was in grad school and waiting tables to pay the rent and tuition, the very worst shift to work was Sunday afternoon.
Boy, ain't that the truth. I did my time waiting tables and believe me, the worst tippers were the churchie types and the born to the manner types. And their kids were even worse.
I was raised to believe that you treat everyone, no matter what their station in life, with respect. Obviously that's not the norm in republican families.
Let's face it- if you're a waiter, you MUST be an economic girly-man/girl. You must be defective is you can't get a decent job- better go take a valium and fucking suck it up, you bunch of faggots . [/republican twat speech]
God I hate these people. In my opinion, bad tippers have their very own circle of hell waiting for them.
I always, always tip at least 15%. And that's for crappy service. Good service gets a lot more. And I'm down to my last $100 before I find work! 
Good for you for tipping high, Atrios. You are a class act all the way!!
trickle down economics.
Here's one for the Gipper!
one percent, that is
You know, folks, if we're not careful these ... words fail ... are going to be known as the company we (American voters) CHOOSE to KEEP.
The old "Better Dead than Red" GOP is alive, well, and cheating us all, left, right, center, and again.
They OWN us.
They make us pay upkeep.
Whose benefit do your insurance premiums go to? the service charges on your bank account, your cell phone, your cable bill? the deductible on your doctor visit?
The key is not merely to beat Bush. It is to take back Congress and draft a law that will overturn that 1875 USSC ruling that made corporations equal with real human citizens of the US. It cannot come too soon.
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