I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
You mean nuke-u-ler
bout time.
that, plus Ben Barnes/AWOL
should be a great month
AKA the WASP Corelones
or nucular!
or nucular!
I haven't read any of her other books. Are they actually critical of the people she wrote about?
Can we expect the same about Shrub's family?
I hope so. Phillip's "dynasty" book didn't do what it should have-- in fact, if our stupid polling organizations really want to do a useful poll, why don't they figure out how many of the major news figures even read it? I bet the list pretty much starts and ends with Jon Stewart.
But a lot more will read Kitty Kelly, for sure.
Depends, the rethug smear machine and hatchet men really did a job on her after her Nancy Reagan book. But that was a long time ago and her Sintra bio is considered top notch to many critics. Anyway, it will get out and discussed in the public, unlike Fortunate Son.
Also to be released on the same day, Sept 14, see
http://www.phonyfighterpilot.com/
Kitty Kelly, plus in 9 DAYS Seymour Hersch.
Which means, starting next weekend...CHAIN OF COMMAND...
That will not be a nice time for Chimpy either.
Until then, Ben Barnes, who makes A2 of the WaPo today.
Atrios-ers, help me out. I have heard the Ben Barnes/60 Minutes interview will air either this Sunday, Wednesday or next Sunday. Anyone now which day???
a few of the runoured tidbits include:
It reveals alleged sex offenses against minors by Dubya's father.
It reveals the use of the White House by male hookers.
It reveals crooked business deals by every member of the Bush clan, including the oh-so-holy first lady, Laura "Round Heels" Bush.
It reveals how former first lady Babs Bush is almost a practicing witch.
It reveals how Dubya has had a very special friend in the mayor of a Tennessee city, who has has cohabited the Texas ranch many times.
These, and more, can be found in a diary at Daily Kos
reminder....they're just rumours
still during his acceptance speech he was pronouncing it:
NUCUULAAR...
Man, Those are some uptight worried white people on the cover of that book. Kelly's known for being kind of bitchy and dishing the dirt, so she'll get more coverage than would something more serious, I think.
OT: The pictures and story coming out of Russia are just heart-breaking.
I can't cope with more moral outrage, so I am just assuming it will get the same lack of serious attention that all of the zillion other books and investigations are getting.
Why should this book be any different than, say, Kevin Phillips's?
per Russia. If you do the math, it is likely that there are 400 dead.
"Why should this book be any different than, say, Kevin Phillips's?"
Cause this one's gonna have SEX in it!
The wheels of the GOP are already starting to wobble. Coming soon: The Night of the Long Knives.
http://tinyurl.com/6qb7z
The nice thing about this, is that it's a double-whammy. On the same day this comes out, according to Amazon, Sy Hersh's book comes out as well. So, the media may want to make Kelly's book the F911 in print, but both books will get a push off the other. Or so I hope....
reminder....they're just rumours
I don't know, some of those rumors are so 'out there' that the Indymedia post sounds like some Bushie lying about what's in the book, to lessen its shock value when it comes out by creating high expectations that won't be fulfilled.
Okay, tinfoil hat off.
Kitty Kelley MIGHT have the answer to this one simple question, but I wouldn't bet on it.
Check out the reward offered at The World's Shortest Blog.
It reveals how former first lady Babs Bush is almost a practicing witch.
~Sigh~
Look, Babs is not a witch. It's not that there are no Republican witches; there certainly are. It's just that Babs is not a witch.
I'm a witch, a practicing witch, a Wiccan. I'm not bragging, but I am reasonably well-connected within the pagan community. If Babs were a witch, I'd know.
I also find it distasteful to see being a witch listed as if it were evil or scandalous, as are all the other items in the list. Would it play just as well to say that Babs is practically a practicing Jew or a practicing Catholic? No, because it's now recognized that it's wrong to hate people who practice those religions. Similarly, it's wrong to hate people who practice witchcraft.
Babs is a bitch, not a witch.
Thank you.
Would it play just as well to say that Babs is practically a practicing Jew or a practicing Catholic? No, because it's now recognized that it's wrong to hate people who practice those religions.
hey, we're talking about Rethugnicans here.....
We can't count on this type of stuff, no matter how explosive. It will just be spun to gold by the Bush Propaganda Machine and Kelly will be destroyed.
We and Kerry must do our own work of changing the direction of this race and getting out the vote.
I'd like to get excited but I'm afraid that Kelley's book will be "disappeared" by Big Media and shoved down the memory hole like all the other Bush scandals.
As many Atrios posters have written the Dems face two opponents:the Republicans and the Corporate Media. We have to accept that and work with the alternatives like the Internet and Air America. We also have to do what political parties did in the past-knock on doors, make calls and-gulp-talk to people. All this is a long winded way of saying that I'd like to get excited, but I've seen real impeachable offenses like the Plame outing just disappear into thin air.
Atrios-ers, help me out. I've heard the Ben Barnes/60 minutes interview will air either this Sunday, Wednesday, or next Sunday. Does anyone know which day???
2 things ... OT ...
1) why oh why is nader still included in these polls when he's not on the ballot in 1/3 of the states???
2) why oh why is there NO major media coverage on a story posted by reuters yesterday - the Bush Administration has appointed 2 Swifties to a VA panel ... no connection, indeed ...
as for Ben Barnes, I heard the interview was still in post-production and wouldn't be aired for a week ...
"It will just be spun to gold by the Bush Propaganda Machine and Kelly will be destroyed"
She has survived writing about Frank Sinatra and Nancy Reagan, as well as the british royal family. Don't underestimate her ability to piss all the right people off and live to talk about it.
The definitive book about the Bush family was published years ago. It was written by Mario Puzo.
Kelley books are ladened with dirt. Like Nancy Reagan was the blow job queen of Hollywood.
Sure, the Bushes will whine, but it's like Unfit for Command, people will read it. And she's no uppity political writer, but a trained gossipmonger, so when the dirt flies, it will be everywhere.
Look for the gossip sheets to leak some key allegations next week.
While people may not take it seriously, the memes in the book may well take hold
I can't cope with more moral outrage, so I am just assuming it will get the same lack of serious attention that all of the zillion other books and investigations are getting.
Mondo dentro--It'll get attention. Those books are about substance. This one's about dish. You know what the media responds to.
. . . It's not that there are no Republican witches . . .
I suppose. After all, there are reports of Republican Muslims.
"Kelley books are ladened with dirt. Like Nancy Reagan was the blow job queen of Hollywood."
I knew there must be something I would like about that skeleton - I just couldn't imagine what it would be. I had always heard that Ron Silver was the blow job queen of Hollywood.
sidney:
it looks like next sunday. this sunday's lead is about porn, and wednesday is about no child left behind in houston (false test scores, etc.). which puts barnes smack in the middle of opening day of the NFL! (WOO-HOOOO!)
I'm not sure, at this point, how one could be a witch AND a Republican -- destroying the environment? Dissing love and freedom? Nope, makes no sense.
Sidney, I understand it will air on "60 Minutes II" on Wednesday. But check your local listings, to make sure.
There's no chance Kitty Kat's book will be "disappeared" by the media. She's one of those glitzy chroniclers who'll be welcomed in places Kevin Phillips wouldn't be invited: Larry King plotzes for her.
What I'm wary of is that Democrats and high-profile liberal pundits won't pick up on Kelly's bombshells, distancing themselves from her (sniff, sniff) tabloid mentality and letting her bombshells fend for themselves. Kelly is considered too declasse to be touted by the Richard Cohens of this world.
This is where Democrats differ from Republicans, to their (our) detriment. Look at how conservative pundits and some Republican politicians leapt on the Swift Boat accusations and mentioned them on cable and talk radio as much as possible. They expedited the story and injected it into the political mainstream.
Democrats seldom do that, even though it's been shown to work. Look, for example, at the media surge that was set off when Terry McAuliffe questioned Bush's service record on one of the Sunday morning blab shows--it became a big story for a week, put a new issue into play and put the Bushies on the defensive.
YOU HAVE TO PLAY OFFENSE. Even a great defense doesn't put points on the board.
Christine: Log Cabin Republicans manage something similar.
I also find it distasteful to see being a witch listed as if it were evil or scandalous, as are all the other items in the list.
I don't think that's the point, Hecate. It's the same thing as outing an anti-gay marriage gay Republican--it's all about the hypocrisy and, even sweeter, alienating the wingnut base.
So it is with paganism. Rove's strategy hinges on the votes of the fundy pseudo-christian death cult membership. They realy don't approve of witchcraft, as I'm sure I don't need to tell you.
On the other hand, (1) the whole charge sounds far-fetched to me; and (2) Bush's base won't believe anything anyway, unless maybe it hit's them in the head with a 2X4.
I predict now that this book with be Bush's Swift Boat. As much as it's trashy and most of it probably isn't true, it's going to divert the campaign. Instead of talking about the 144,000 jobs they created last month [ohhhh! special!] they are going to have to talk about sex with men and housekeepters and maids and whoever else. bring it on!
WTF? "hit's"?!
More coffee, stat!
Ordered my copy
with a ka-chung to Atrios.
I love Kitty Kelly. And a friend of mine tell me she is pretty much on the money with regard to "true gossip"...that is actual stories which make the rounds in certain circles.
Kelly is bullet-proof, and this book will sell...
and damaged the Bushies much more than the Swiftie piece of crap ever could.
Can't wait to get the dirt on old "Round Heels."
We live in vile times, and are ruled by vile people (whose vileness is filtered thru the vile 4th Estate). Kitty Kelley is the purr-fect chronicler of the Bush fam. Recall that Gore Vidal once referred to her as a "superior" historian to himself. What better props than that?
I hear it goes into some graphic detail about all those blowjobs Bush has been giving for all these years.
I'm not sure, at this point, how one could be a witch AND a Republican -- destroying the environment? Dissing love and freedom? Nope, makes no sense.
Christine,
I have friends who are witches and Republicans. They consider themselves Republicans because they believe in strong defense, low levels of social spending, fiscal conservatism, and keeping the government out of their personal lives. They believe that the Republicans generally serve those causes better than do the Democrats. A number of them are former military; the military has a surprisingly large number of pagans in it.
They don't agree with the fundie nutjobs who've taken over their party, but they prefer to remain Republicans and try to get their party back on track to giving up and switching parties. Which doesn't mean that they necessarily plan to vote for Bush this time.
Frankly, I'm glad that there are people like that in the Republican party, even though they seem to have become increasingly marginalized. If Bush loses, I think the Republican party is in for a period of soul-searching and trying to figure out exactly what it does stand for.
Saying that you can't be a witch and a Republican is like saying that you can't be a Christian and a Republican because Christians generally say that we should love our neighbors. People of good will can genuinely differ over politics and still be true to their religions. We've just seen far too little good will and recognition of the fact that it's ok to differ coming out of the Republican party for the last 12 years or so.
I hear it goes into some graphic detail about all those blowjobs Bush has been giving for all these years.
Oh so that's how he got those SBVfT[sic] guys to lie!
Hecate, dear - they shouldn't have used the term or the implication. Gammy Dearest couldn't possibly be a witch or wiccan - Nature is not her friend. What she is, is scary as hell, pretentious as the rest of the crowd (just what is her 'family background' by the way?) and a complete and utter failure at all she's tried. Ghastly.
Hey Sharky:
Why do you think Kelly's book isn't true?
Just asking -- seriously.
I'd like to get excited but I'm afraid that Kelley's book will be "disappeared" by Big Media and shoved down the memory hole like all the other Bush scandals.
This is Kitty Kelley we're talking about here. The woman whose book on the Royal Family isn't actually sold in Britain, for fear of a libel suit. Larry King adores her. The morning shows adore her. It's already Top 100 on Amazon, and it doesn't go on sale till the 14th. And it'll easily ship out the 600,000 first printing in hardback.
Believe me, it will not be disappeared, primarily because Kelley's style is the opposite of scholarly. That is, she uses lots of anonymous sources, and is heavy on backstairs gossip. The kind of stuff which gets talked about. Lots and lots and lots.
(The rumour I heard is that Kelley will talk about how Bush still drinks.)
sgbdf, by linking to Mark Steyn's total, unmitigated bullshit, you show yourself as an absolute, total, unmitigated troll.
If the branches of Big Media have one thing in common above all others, it's profit motive. When they appear to support the Republicans, it's out of profit motive. Anything that'll make a ton of money is almost sacrosanct. A writer/publisher combination that makes megaloot off of dirt and rumors of dirt is not going to be put off by anything less than more megaloot. The Rs would have to buy up the book, pay off Kelly and her publisher. Wouldn't leave much to run the rest of the campaign. And if they bought up the book, it would be an instant smash hit, and sell even more. They couldn't win.
Of course, it remains to be seen how seriously the public takes it all...
These books and rumors are nice, but what you really need to be doing is organizing. Go register Democrats to vote.
This is no time to panic or celebrate. It's time to get your ass in gear and volunteer.
I know many people have donated lots of money, but Kerry and the Democrats need your TIME right now.
The Dem attack needs MULTIPLE fronts, not just Kerry revved up (gee, finished windsurfing, are we?) in a news clip. Kitty Kelley's book, the Hersh book, the FBI Israeli spy thing. More surrogates like Rendell, all hammering. Me, I would make put back in circulation the ad with McCain calling Bush a smear artist , whether McCain likes it or not. McCain has lost halo.
The Dem attack needs MULTIPLE fronts, not just Kerry revved up (gee, finished windsurfing, are we?) in a news clip. Kitty Kelley's book, the Hersh book, the FBI Israeli spy thing. More surrogates like Rendell, all hammering. Me, I would make put back in circulation the ad with McCain calling Bush a smear artist , whether McCain likes it or not. McCain has lost halo.
Why should this book be any different than, say, Kevin Phillips's?
well, I don't know Kevin Phillips, but I'd bet he gets up early, drives to an office, and tries to maintain a respectable career.
Kitty Kelley was a regular customer of the coffeehouse that was my favorite hangout in Georgetown (right between Morton's and Warren Christopher's favorite Italian restaurant). IIRC she'd come in for a cappuccino around 10 AM, walking her dog.
Kitty Kelley doesn't write wonk books for the current affairs table at Barnes & Noble. Kitty Kelley writes bestsellers, books that eventually make it into paperback, books that show up at supermarket checkout lanes.
I wouldn't be surprised to see this book on deep discount at Wal-Mart within a month, right next to the Big Dog's.
Pardon me for being sceptical, but so what that a book comes out? O Neill, Clarke, et al. wrote books and Bush was able to put them down. and these were people inside the adminsitration. The repubs will dissmis it as political hacks and the press will oblige. The rules of the game have changed. 10 years ago books like this would have sank an administration. not any more. If you take out Clinton, of the past 20 years Dems have beem losing palying by the rules. They need to relish the mud.
Mr Gilliard is on the mark about memes.
Think about how Gore got Gored. Two or three silly anecdotes that became attached to everything he did or said.
Chances are that Kelley will serve up two or three anecdotes about Chimpy that will stick to him from the end of September through October, as the reviews come out, Kelley does her promotional stuff, as Leno and Letterman mention them in their monologues (again and again) etc.
Kitty Kelly writes books Swing Voters actually read.
(even if they don't display them on the coffee table!)
"O Neill, Clarke, et al. wrote books and Bush was able to put them down. and these were people inside the adminsitration"
Yeah, but they're boring old men who wrote boring books about unimportant things like intelligence gathering and budgets.
Kitty Kelly is a trusted gossip who writes about stuff like blowjobs. That's why the 'Murican people will pay attention to her.
Sad, but true, I fear...
Kevin Phillips never wrote a book about the Queen Mum being impregnated with a turkey baster.
That's Kitty Kelley in a nutshell.
>Pardon me for being sceptical, but so what that a book comes out?
Tell me everything YOU know about Kitty Kelley?
"I'm a witch, a practicing witch, a Wiccan. I'm not bragging, but I am reasonably well-connected within the pagan community. If Babs were a witch, I'd know. "
LOLOTFRMAO.
Wow. Quite a crowd here. If you're a well-connected witch, can't you and your tampax mafia cohorts concoct some potion to doom George W. Bush to certain defeat,
thereby freeing up more of your time to makke circles of stones and such in the woods, rather than posting messages on a liberal message board?
Does your father know about this?
There's a saying among Broadway producers that the NY Daily News critic fills your balcony, while the Times critic fills your orchestra seats. Essentially, Hersh's book on Abu Ghraib (which I think will be pretty graphic) will appeal to the policy wonks, while Kitty will appeal to the masses.
People, people. Kitty Kelley writes about powerful people and SEX. She is the 'nonfiction' equivalent of Danielle Steele. Her target audience is the good people of the US who right now think that Shrub is a good guy to have a beer with. SEX sells. The implicit destruction of the whole Rovian creation of sweet Laura and Protector Shrub, Mummsy and Poppy, the strong Jebbies and all the rest - catastrophic. Nothing that Kelley will say will make middle America Republican, God-fearing, born-agains happy with Shrubbie. Will they read it? Hell yes, what demographic fell for Peyton Place all those years ago? What demographic was so upset about a certain dress and misplaced hijinks in the Oval Office?
SEX, people, SEX and POWER and MONEY and illicity, juicy romps - oooooh, this is just going to be fun!
LieutenantGeneralNadir - You, sir, are an ass. Worse - a tiresome one. Go away.
So Babs rhymes with bitch?
"Babs is a bitch, not a witch.
Thank you."
Hecate
Out of respect to you Hecate, I motion that we all now refer to Babs in Republican-approved language as a "major league asshole" who can "go fuck herself."
Andrew: Oooh, wrong-ee-wrong. Graphic, you say? The Fear Factor audience will eat it up, pictures or no pictures. The policy wonkish out there will discuss the legal, moral, political ins & outs, but the bowling allwy/Tupperware crowd will gather round going "They did what? They took a....and then they....? You're shitting me! Wait, lemme see that...*gasp*. Duhayumm!"
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/...4/
090404V.shtml
McCain: Miller's attack on Kerry could hurt Bush
By Janet Hook
Tribune Newspapers: Los Angeles Times
Friday 03 September 2004
NEW YORK — Sen. John McCain, who has pushed for more civility in this year's presidential race, is warning that the biting attack on Sen. John F. Kerry by a fellow Democrat at the Republican National Convention on Wednesday night might harm President Bush's efforts to woo swing voters.
McCain (R-Ariz.) said the keynote address by Sen. Zell Miller (D-Ga.) could prove as controversial as a speech by Pat Buchanan at the 1992 GOP convention in Houston.
"I think it backfires," McCain said of Miller's rhetorical assault on Kerry. He added that it "makes Buchanan's speech … look milquetoast."
(The rumour I heard is that Kelley will talk about how Bush still drinks.)
Molly Ivins reports that Bush's favorite beverage is O'Doul's, which is 0.5% alcohol by volume.
Bush has been seen drinking "non-alcoholic" beer on public occasions, including his pub crawl with Tony Blair a couple of years ago.
Since the president is known to have a predilection for "non-alcoholic" beer, how hard would it really be for him to sneak in the real thing? (Actually, I'd have been a lot less embarrassed if he had, at least while he was in an English pub.)
736 pages. Yum.
Kitty Kelly is a trusted gossip who writes about stuff like blowjobs. That's why the 'Murican people will pay attention to her.
Sad, but true, I fear...
A Hermit
Yup. "Devil with a blue dress on" ring a familiar note? I really thing the Rs potentially have much more to lose than the Ds would with an equivalent book about one of theirs.
Boy, do I feel old.
When Bush The Elder debated Geraldine Ferraro in the 1984 Vice Presidential debates, Babs The Elder famously said when asked what she thought of Ferraro "I don't want to say it, but it rhymes with witch."
Charming family, eh? Kind of explains the twins. And shrub.
GWPDA made the point I wanted to. Red state voters gobble up Kitty Kelley. Particularly funny was the question of whether Kitty ever said anything negative about the people she covers. Made me feel old.
Folks Kitty writes scandal books. That sell like hotcakes among the same demographic that gobble up what they hear from Rush and Fox, because they wouldn't air it if it wasn't true would they?
'Unauthorized biography' doesn't begin to explain Kitty. Only a madman would even consider cooperating with her if he knew she would be focusing on him. Kitty is not always fair, and prolly could use some more diligent fact-checkers. Well boo hoo hoo. Maybe the Right should have thought about his before titling their books "Slander" and "Treason". Because they don't have any high ground here.
Wonkette's always hinting around about Bush's "gayness." Not that there's anything wrong with that! And there's got to be medication issues with that guy. He's "affect," as they say in psychology, is just too bizarre.
Just dropped in for a moment to remind everyone:
Please, ignore the shit-stirrers.
They have no agenda other than spreading chaos and smug condescension.
Please, do not feed them.
I haven't read any of her other books.
I sometimes wonder whether anyone reads them. But everyone hears about them, all over the news, all the time, and has an opinion about them. If you don't believe that, ask yourself how many more people know about Nancy Reagan's astrologer than know the first thing about Iran-Contra.
Folks above have already pointed out 'the difference' between a Kitty Kelley book and a Kevin Phillips book: Did you see Phillips on Larry King, Good Morning America, Regis Philbin etc etc etc.? Did you see discussions of "American Dynasty" on the broadcast infomercial channels? Was KPhil name-checked in the late night monologues?
I didn't think so...
Babs=Mlagfy? Has a ring to it...sorta.
Babs=Mlagfy? Has a ring to it...sorta.
Oops. 'Nonny at 11:22 is the Goob.
Bush has been seen drinking "non-alcoholic" beer on public occasions, including his pub crawl with Tony Blair a couple of years ago.
Oh yes. Kaliber. Eugh. At the bar where I worked, the two bottles of non-alcoholic lager remained untouched for three years.
(And now I just have an expat craving for a can of Shandy Bass.)
I have to admit that I am not a fan of Kitty Kelley and her ilk - but she may have a good affect on peoples' perceptions about the Bushes. It really gets me that people still insist that the Bushes are a "nice family." They're nice the way Kaiser Soze was nice.
And there have to be a lot of undecideds out there who are just the people who will read this book. And believe it. Just like they believed that the Clintons were murderers.
I'd go off on a rant about how low the discourse in this country has fallen, but the fact is that it has always been that low. Illegitimate children and illegal dealings and rumors and gossip about those things have always been the stuff of American elections. So bring it on. I think it's past time.
we need an ad campaign to go with the book
We're going to need Jack Daniels, not O'Douls to make a relapse claim.
Yke! Never never hit the enter key when cursor is not in the text field. This is an official Haloscan Advisory.
There's no way the media will deep six Kitty. Her track record is too good, and with Sy Hersh's book coming it's a one-two punch.
Kitty's books on Sinatra and Nancy Reagan are classics. Unlike whore Woodward she does actual work. Her sourcing is impeccable -- and goes on for pages and pages and pages. She's never been sued because she reports the truth.
Word on the street is that the new one will report on Dubbya's dalliances with Les Boys.
Can't Hardly Wait!!!
If so many "practice" their religion, when do they stop and start doing it for real? Whoops I sinned, "Do Over!". It just doesn't fly. At some point you have to take the training wheels off.
Does this mean I can get my WHAT WILL WE TELL THE CHILDREN t-shirt out of the attic?
Les Boys
Ah what does that refer to? It isn't
familiar to me.
Word on the street is that the new one will report on Dubbya's dalliances with Les Boys.
I suppose that'll lock up the Log Cabin vote.....
David E - it would be a grand slam home run if Kelley has come up with anything that also implicates Sweet Governor Goodhair in the "dalliances with the boys" category.
Kitty Kelley I'm sure will remind us of little things like this: "Scott Pierce is a brother of Barbara Bush. He was president of E. F. Hutton & Co. when it engaged in criminal activity in the 1980s and pled guilty on behalf of the company in 1985 to 2000 federal criminal counts of mail fraud and wire fraud."
Details like that tend to stick in the mind or at least they do mine. Thus, when the Republican whores were ranting about the horrid 'French' background of Senator Kerry - whose father was an honored diplomat and whose mother was a descendant of the Winthrop (cf) family, I kept remembering the shining social class that Barbara Pierce Bush, formerly of Dayton, OH brought to her fine new family.
What I'm wary of is that Democrats and high-profile liberal pundits won't pick up on Kelly's bombshells, distancing themselves from her (sniff, sniff) tabloid mentality and letting her bombshells fend for themselves. Kelly is considered too declasse to be touted by the Richard Cohens of this world.
This is where Democrats differ from Republicans, to their (our) detriment. Look at how conservative pundits and some Republican politicians leapt on the Swift Boat accusations and mentioned them on cable and talk radio as much as possible. They expedited the story and injected it into the political mainstream.
Democrats seldom do that, even though it's been shown to work.
The Dems need people who will go on the cable shows and scrunch their brows and look concerned and say things like, "The allegations in Kelly's book are deeply troubling and the Bush campaign needs to address them . . ."
If so many "practice" their religion, when do they stop and start doing it for real? Whoops I sinned, "Do Over!". It just doesn't fly. At some point you have to take the training wheels off.
That's the wonderful thing about Christianity. You get to be a sanctimonious, hypocritical asshat, except when it's inconvenient, then you get to be a sinner and call on Jeezus to bail you out.
It's explicitly written into the theology.
...with Sy Hersh's book coming it's a one-two punch.
Yeah, this will be great. Form and substance back to back.
Even if we only get a tiny bit if traction with this godawful media, it'll be huge.
One thing that the Rove Machine can't do is hit Alt-Shift-F8 and churn out a press release condemning Kelley as a 'partisan Democrat'.
She's not. She's a bipartisan tattletale.
She's like a dealer for media crack addicts.
there's a dire straits song by that name: "les boys du cabaret" on a gay theme.....
Is the KK book the knife that we bring to the knife fight?
Seriously, my head tells me that we should reject anything that adds to the sewer that is American national politics. However, my heart tells me that this election is so important, so critical that we cannot be wimps in a battle for the soul of the future. After the Swift Boat Veterans fiasco, I say: go with my heart. Fight fire with fire!
One of Kelley's major sources for the book is Neil Bush's ex-wife; you may recall the rather nasty divorce battle that uncovered sweetheart business deals and the influene of Chinese politicians and Chinese prostitutes. Rather ugly stuff. I also expect KK to dig up some decent sources on GHWB's infidelities, which were an open secret in Washington (I heard it on deep background from a reliable source during his time there, and I'd be shocked if it weren't common knowledge in the GOP leadership).
Should be interesting
THIS is nuclear, if Barnes admits it on 60 Minutes:
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail...artid=233&
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We're going to need Jack Daniels, not O'Douls to make a relapse claim.
Nah. Just hit heavy on how "non-alcoholic" beer really isn't, and you'll stir up doubt in a lot of Bush's base.
I motion that we all now refer to Babs in Republican-approved language as a "major league asshole" who can "go fuck herself."
Thank you, Stinky! I'll second that motion. And a cold, unfeeling mother who raised several sociopaths. And a useless hump of flesh who's done nothing to improve the world in spite of all the advantages she's been given. Compare how she and "Poppy" have spent their years post-WH with how Rosalyn and Jimmy have spent theirs, and I think you know all you need to know about that major league asshole who can go fuck herself (hereinafter, MLAWCGFH).
Oh yes. Kaliber. Eugh. At the bar where I worked, the two bottles of non-alcoholic lager remained untouched for three years.
(And now I just have an expat craving for a can of Shandy Bass.)
anonymous in nc
Taste in (non)alcoholic bevs is insanely subjective. There is no "best" or "worst" vintage or brew. I drank Detroit dry (Stroh's), but couldn't abide Budweiser, which may be the gest selling beer on Earth. Other beerdrinkers will make equally sincere, and totally opposing statements about these and other beers. I tried Kaliber, didn't care for it. Maybe British beer is just not my thing. Maybe Kaliber just isn't a good imitation. German beer is a different thing, and Clausthaler NA, I thought was (when I could find it) quite good. I've gone off the NAs for carbohydrate-related-program-activities type reasons.
But I gotta say, folks who belittle the NAs as wussy drinks are not helping things. One in nine drivers on the road is under the influence at any given time (more on holiday nights). Increased availability (and quality) of NAs might make that one in ten. One in 12. I kinda like that idea.
Seriously, my head tells me that we should reject anything that adds to the sewer that is American national politics.
We're not adding to the sewer. These are more along the lines of "lies that tell the truth". The image of this president (and family) among their faithful is based on nothing but a tissue of lies. We need to get them to open their eyes.
"Just hit heavy on how "non-alcoholic" beer really isn't" - interesting. All the recovering alkies I've ever known have made the same point - that is to say that recovering alcoholics grasp that trying to fade their bets by drinking sorta beer isn't working the program. But we all knew that Shrub isn't working the program and we all knew that he isn't in recovery of any kind whatsoever.
"Bush has been seen drinking "non-alcoholic" beer on public occasions, including his pub crawl with Tony Blair a couple of years ago."
My aunt is an alcoholic who stopped drinking 20 years ago. Several years back, she decided to try some non-alcoholic beer.
She said it was like someone just flipped a switch in her brain - she immediately ran out and bought a sixer of REAL beer and drank the whole thing, her only relapse in 20 years. She later learned that these non-alcoholic beers have a very small amount of alcohol in them, and anyone very sensitive to alcohol will react to it.
Okay, my aunt is one person who had a bad reaction to the stuff, but it makes me wonder if it has had any affects on Dumbya...
Air America should invite actors into the studio to do hourly dramatic readings of highlights from KK's book.
And considering how long the book is, it should be chockful of highlights.
The Dems need people who will go on the cable shows and scrunch their brows and look concerned...
For real. Dems need to learn to distance themselves from scurrilous stuff without denying or condemning it. (Ahem, remember Kerry's botched critique of the MoveOn ads? That's an example of how not to do it.)
If anyone says something like "this stuff has no place in American politics" they should be smacked. The goal is to look like you're saying that, without actually doing so.
Celebrity Biographiers for Truth!
melikesit.
I know Bush is still drinking. What I'm hoping for is some good gossip that shows what a rich, spoiled, elitist he is. Something that will finally, once and for all, shut down the lie that he's just a good ole' boy who'd happily spend his days splitting logs and cleaning brush and getting $10 haircuts f he hadn't been called by jebuz to leave his farm and come bring honor and decency to the White House.
That would be really sweet.
The goal is to look like you're saying that, without actually doing so.
The way to do it is to laugh and say 'Well, we all know Kitty Kelley, don't we?'
Make it look like you're saying 'Are you going to ask us to repudiate the National Enquirer next?' when in fact you're saying 'Didn't the National Enquirer break Rush's love of Oxy?'
I agree with all those who think Kitty Kelley's book is going to be a big distraction for the Bushies. She is positively scathing, and the sex and gossip loving America is going to want to read this one, albeit most in private.
As for Babs being a witch, I suspect Kelley means middle America's version of the satan worshipping, black magic spell casting, toad and cauldron type of witch, not the gentle earth-loving pagan or Wiccan.
Nah. Just hit heavy on how "non-alcoholic" beer really isn't, and you'll stir up doubt in a lot of Bush's base.
Anal Roberts
You wanna elaborate on that? No? OK, I will:
.05% is the max allowed by law to be called NA. It'll depend on the process used and how well it's done. You can buy fruit juice with that much alcohol in it, due to natural fermentation (same law). At the very worst, it's a ten-to-one ratio. If a six-pack lights you up, sixty bottles of NA will do the same thing, asuming you could actually drink that much without killing yourself.
Maybe a real argument would serve us better.
Will she mention Prescott Bush's involvement in banking for the third reich?
THIS is nuclear, if Barnes admits it on 60 Minutes:
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail...artid=233&
row=1
Mike | Email | Homepage | 09.04.04 - 11:43 am | #
Unfortunate that the writer perpetuates the "Light Governor" error Barnes himself made. But the rest sounds just like a Bush operation.
Hekate,
Just saw you at the Pergamon - you go, girl!
The walk down Nebuchadnezzar's road is a sobering reminder of how fleeting are all great empires and how we humans are doomed to rise to greatness and fall to ambition.
Many mouthwashes have 21% alcohol in them.Im sure an ex-drunk like Bush has taken notice of this.
Actually, Kelley makes a good read. And she does do her work....
she is able to mix substance with the the dirt...
and this is one area of literature where I refuse to be a snob and take the high road.
Kerry can distance himself from this in way which can make book sales zoom
He can say something about "I refuse to believe this outrageous accusations, and believe that such scandalous gossip has not place in deciding who should be president. I will not be a party to politics of personal destruction."
Net results: book sales zoom. The louded Kerry decries this "innuendo" and crap....the more people want to know.
Maybe a real argument would serve us better.
hey, george still desperately wants to drink beer. he's so desperate to drink that he's even willing to drink that foul-tasting swill. from there it's a pretty short putt to "he's still a drinker."
ask any recovering alcoholic if they'd show up at an AA meeting and say "i've been sober for six months" if they were knocking back a sixer of kaliber a day. their peers would call "bullshit" in a heartbeat.
now, i'll grant you it's not as strong as georgie staggering and puking on live TV, but little oaks into mighty acorns grow......
I'm not sure, at this point, how one could be a witch AND a Republican -- destroying the environment? Dissing love and freedom? Nope, makes no sense.
And yet there are gay Republicans. Why, I do not know...
I hope, hope, HOPE that Kelley's got the goods on the rumored adoption; I've been hearing for years that the Bushes not only were -approved- to adopt but had actually taken a boy home, which they returned when Laura became pregnant.
AKA the WASP Corelones
Gary Frazier
The Mafia without the old world charm, the good food and an honor code.
which they returned when Laura became pregnant.
To Babies'R'Us?
Many mouthwashes have 21% alcohol in them.Im sure an ex-drunk like Bush has taken notice of this.
notch
Stephen King's wife thought he was drinking the Listerine. He was not.He was drinking the Scope.
The truth about being a witch.
I find that most people who are into being witches seem to be much more concerned about having something to complain about when people mention witches negatively, than about doing their thing. They also seem to get into having some cool religion that makes them special.
I wish they would quit crying and practice your withcraft in private. Noboby is stopping you.
They sound like Christian fundies.
Nancy Richardson is right about Kitty, she is generally pretty good with documenting what she writes. When you do her kind of work you've got to. That puts her ahead of every single person who works for Cable News and most of our supposedly legit "journalists". Imagine what could have been if the likes of Steno Sue and Judith Miller had been held to as high a standard.
Also, she's just plain fun to read.
Oh, and wasn't "Wicca" a hodge podge "religion" created by a professor in the 1950s?
Can I worship my wife's ass and then spend all day and night whining about not being taken seriously and how my rights are violated?
I've been hearing for years that the Bushes not only were -approved- to adopt but had actually taken a boy home, which they returned when Laura became pregnant.
Did they get their deposit back?
Boys and girls; Kitty Kelley will be
labeled "bitter" and "angry" and
the American caudillo will ride on
to four more years.
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Every other day there's something new that's just GOTTA bring down Bush!
He fucked up a war and nobody cares. You think a book by a dried up old hack like Kitty Kelly's going to make any difference?
Kerry's toast. Time to concentrate on winning some senate seats.
Hecate,
It is not about Wicca itself, but the hypocrisy of someone who denigrates it publicly then practices it secretly.
It's all about the hypocrisy and the lies.
Like comics?
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More info and samples here:
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Amazon link with ordering info here:
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OT:
When John McCain was on the Daily Show the other night implied that he was disappointed that both sides will be slinging shit like pissed off chimps at a cheap zoo for the next two months. He said they do it because it works and the only way to stop it is for the American people to say they won't buy it anymore.
Hmmm. How do we do that if both the Rs and the Ds are flinging shit? Not vote??? Or maybe this was an underhanded endorsement of someone not in that dirty game?
Good for John McCain, he endorsed Ralphie Nader!
"Can I worship my wife's ass...?"
-Some Stupid Troll
I don't see how that's possible given your head is positioned firmly up your own ass.
How funny! Lookit all the trolls swarming!
Fear, fear, fear, fear, fear, fear, fear, fear, fear, fear, fear, fear, fear, fear!
Brian J - "Kerry's toast." Keep thinking that, love. Your head is going to explode on November 3. Please make sure that you are outside when it happens.
No, but seriously... there have
been rumors that GWB hit the bottle
in the aftermath of 9/11. And I am
not talking left wing sources...
check page 6 in the NY Post (the
hint caused a minor explosion there
and was only in the early edition).
Look it is nice that something like this book may put a dent in the Bush mythos. But the problem we have today is people are looking for the tabloid sensations and not facts. We should not bank on this as panacea to our problems.
It is as important to return reality to political news and dialogue as it is to elect John Kerry.
Clinton said it very well, "When we think, we win". We need to get that into the wild. I want to see Jenna wearing that on a T-shirt becuz its cool.
That is why I harp on the BCCI issue being put forward with vigor, that one topic affected people including lives lost. Whether Bush tossed his cookies in Alabama is not even close to relevance. People accept he was a bad boy, but being "Born Again" coupled with cover from cronies washed that out.
What was a trashed room in the seventies is now a travesty of lost lives and opportunity in the year 2004. There is little point of retreading the trashed room when the latter is the pertinent and quite horrifying replacement among many others.
No, but seriously... there have
been rumors that GWB hit the bottle
in the aftermath of 9/11. And I am
not talking left wing sources...
check page 6 in the NY Post (the
hint caused a minor explosion there
and was only in the early edition).
No, but seriously... there have
been rumors that GWB hit the bottle
in the aftermath of 9/11. And I am
not talking left wing sources...
check page 6 in the NY Post (the
hint caused a minor explosion there
and was only in the early edition).
We cannot TRUST George W. Bush
This is #1 issue that KE need to push to win !
"The president and the Republican Party will say anything and do anything in order to try and get elected ..."
- John Kerry
George W. Bush distorts the truth with deceptive wizardry.
TRUST is the basis of all relationships and Bush has been misleading the public, distorting fact, and contriving false realities on virtually every major issue like the economy, jobs, healthcare, foreign policy, national security, and terrorism.
In short, Bush is ignorant and dishonest and has NOT earned nor does he deserve the TRUST of the electorate.
Lack of TRUST in George W. Bush is the REAL issue that Kerry/Edwards need to push in order to win !
To Babies'R'Us?
To the 'Edna Gladney Center' in Fort Worth. This is the place where Neil's family adopted a couple kids as well, and if you believe everything you read on the Internet, they have a little 'baby-selling' problem...
The Bush family and Rev. Moon. Here's some stuff I just posted that people really need to know about the Bushes. But the Democrats won't run on it because the good Rev. has purchased a few of them, Zell Miller-like.
Hmmm. How do we do that if both the Rs and the Ds are flinging shit? Not vote???
SteveO
The Republican establishment has been trying to drive the vote down ever since the 50s. Ever wonder how in a democratic country the word "politics" could become dirty? It's an intentional effort to turn people off from voting. And if it doesn't work they reinstitute Jeb Crow or its equivalent. They don't want the great unwashed voting.
It's ever been thus with oligarchs, read "The Trial of Socrates" for as good an account as there is of how democracy is undermined.
They haven't changed their tune. Power to the wealthy.
EkCenTrik - I don't think I'm the dumbest person around, but I'll tell you - I still don't quite understand the BCCI scandal, and I'm willing to bet that there are damned few NASCAR dads who get it, either.
Kitty Kelley writes so that someone with a 3d grade education can understand what she is saying. One reason I'm not a fan - but I can see the value.
Actually, it's probably a stroke of luck for that little baby who didn't have to grow up with a lying, cheating alcoholic father and a homicidal mother who once killed her ex-boyfriend.
The Shrubbery has a family babyselling store? I mean, like I use the same mortuary for funerals, or Birk's is where I go when I want good jewellery, or when I need a really terrific root canal I use my special family endodontist?
They really are different, aren't they? Who could have known...
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?
Unfortunate that the writer perpetuates the "Light Governor" error Barnes himself made. But the rest sounds just like a Bush operation.
True, but before anyone starts thinking this detail somehow derails Barnes' argument, i.e. he wasn't yet Lt Gov, it should be pointed out that before holding that position Barnes was Speaker of the Texas House.
Maybe a real argument would serve us better.
Dude, we're working against people who don't mind rolling arguments that are patently ridiculous but technically true. It's time we started hitting back.
From Wikipedia:
Non-alcoholic beer (NAB) is a slightly misleading term used to describe beer with very low alcohol content. The vast majority of NABs are lagers, but there are to a lesser extent some ales. The general opinion of them with regard to taste is not high, with the more expensive ones (such as Buckler or Kaliber) being better viewed.
.
Legally in the US, beers containing up to 0.5 percent alcohol by volume can be called non-alcoholic. Although they are called non-alcoholic they still contain some alcohol and some states have laws which prohibit their sale to minors. In 1997 the U.S. military ruled that the 12 hour required wait after drinking beer before piloting a plane would also be applied to non-alcoholic beer.
If you had O'Douls in your circulatory system instead of blood, you would be legally drunk in every state in the Union.
Yes, I know it's ridiculous. I know it's a hypothetical that couldn't actually happen. I know you'd actually be dead if you had O'Doul's in your veins instead of blood.
But it sounds impressive, and it makes as much sense as what Turdblossom is throwing out there.
Kelley's book is available through Amazon.com for preordering now, and delivery on Sept. 14th - about 20 bucks.
Tena, Kitty isn't to everyone's taste and I'm not suggesting an exclusive diet of her but she's a cut above most of what passes as journalism in the United States these days.
You could safely ignore her and your education wouldn't suffer but she isn't trash either.
She's sort of in a class by herself.
They really are different, aren't they? Who could have known...
"The Rich are Different" - Some Guy
Kitty Kelley photo and bio
Stinky: Your argument, while cathartic, still does not make Wicca a "real religion".
Stinky: Your argument, while cathartic, still does not make Wicca a "real religion".
TN,
Define "real religion."
Look it is nice that something like this book may put a dent in the Bush mythos. But the problem we have today is people are looking for the tabloid sensations and not facts. We should not bank on this as panacea to our problems.
Of course not. But SOMEBODY has to be spinning bullshit to the Adrian Spittles of the world. As it stands, they have a choice between George Bush, who despises them and tells them outrageous lies without a second thought, and John Kerry, who respects them too much. And they're lining up to kiss Bush's ass.
oxymoron alert: real religion
Stinky: Your argument, while cathartic, still does not make Wicca a "real religion".
Isn't it the IRS that makes something a "real religion"? How do you decide if something's a real religion? I don't for a second believe that the angel Moroni appeared to Joseph Smith or that those twelve suckers saw those gold plates. I don't believe that any of them believed it either, unless there was an attack of ergotism in that area that year.
The wiccans I've met have all seemed rather nice and quirky. If they want to have their fun it's all right with me as long as they don't hurt anyone or thing. I'm just waiting for them to apply for some of that "faith based" money too. That should be fun too.
Stinky: Your argument, while cathartic, still does not make Wicca a "real religion".
Fuck off, snake-handler.
Tena,
I don't think Brian J is a right wing troll, he just is expressing an opinion on Kerry's chances right now. If he follows though on his recommendation for winning back the Senate things will still improve for all of us.
Tweety said something on TDS last night. If Kerry had just come out against the war in Iraq there would be something for the pundits to swarm around - a real debate on the biggest issue of our time. (Remember that feller from Vertmont Howard Bean or Dean ?) But Kerry just siddles up one fucking micron to the left of Bush on Iraq and we have to choose him because there is nobody ('cept Ralphie) speaking out against this crime against humanity in this election.
>Boys and girls; Kitty Kelley will be
labeled "bitter" and "angry" and
the American caudillo will ride on
to four more years.
Kelley is beyond politics, she is in a class by herself....
She is Jonathan Swift, while Corsi is Carrottop.
Any way I wish people who think in absolute terms regarding panaceas would try to remember that Democrats can walk and chew gum at the same time...
The book will sell itself, without our help, while Kerry decries it as scandal mongering.
Then come Hershes book....
then there are the thousands of people (and what is YOUR EXCUSE FOR NOT BEING ONE OF THEM, HUH?) who are out there working in the field making sure we get out the vote.
SteveO,
Who is or isn't a troll is pretty clear for those with a little insight into the process.
GHWB's infidelities were the topic of a SPY magazine article in the 80"s. I remember reading it, especially the story about how his limousine got into an accident and the SS had to suppress the accident report. I think we've all heard of his long time affair with a woman who was either an ambassador or an ambassador's wife. I believe it was ambassador to Switzerland.
As for witches, my opinion is that it's white English people's pathetic attempt to have a little ethnic flavour in their lives because I've never met a black witch, or an Italian witch or a Hispanic witch. But that's just my opinion.
I'd never considered myself a Kitty Kelly fan, but bought her biography of Frank Sinatra in a train station sundry store where reading material selections were minimal. I actually have to say I liked it.
While she's no high-fallutin biographer like a David Halberstam, she's a good writer and she does do an exhaustive amount of research on her subjects.
She also doesn't really present something as the God's truth - she presents something and leaves it up to the reader to decide whether or not the interviewee's story is credible.
Given the near violent reaction her books on Nancy Reagan and Frank Sinatra elicited (especially from Frank's family), you gotta tip your hat to her because she obviously uncovered something truthful the family would have rather not gotten out.
I've never been able to read KK straight through, but there are folks in fly-over country who will eat this stuff up. It will be sold in airport bookstores. And, she'll be excerpted in Good Housekeeping and other similar publications. She'll dish with Diane on GMA and with Larry King. People will want to know enough of the dirt to hold their own around the water cooler.
The other good thing is that, unlike the SBVfT, she's been doing this for years to all kinds of people. She's got no connections to Kerry. He's got plausible deniability up the wazoo.
And, remember, Rove thinks that if the drunk driving incident hadn't come out just before the last election and kept several thousand evangelicals home, Bush wouln't have had to steal the election. So all Kitty has to do is get some of those same folks turned off enough that they stay home on Nov. 2nd.
I recommend that next Friday we have KittyBlogging instead of CatBlogging.
A book, troll? This is no mere book, but guaranteed to be ladened with salacious gossip about all the Bushes, even the twins.
It's a bunch of truly nasty shit which even Karl Rove will admire for it's ruthless thoroughness.
Even if there wasn't a sexual detail in it, and there will be if she lives up to her past work, the image of Bush as nice guy is sure to take a vicious, well-deserved beating.
The ONLY option for the Bush campaign is to say "Well, you see what she wrote about Nancy Reagan", and try to dig up Osama or something.
The best part will be the insuations, not the ouright statements of fact.
Kerry should just ignore it and his surrogates should just laugh when it comes up, saying "Oh, unlike our opponents, we won't deal with rumors and unproven facts. We believe the Bushes are decent people and honor their service to the country."
Did the Dems defend F9/11? They didn't make it. Why should they defend The Family? They didn't write it.
Just carefully use the themes she brings up and people believe. You can bet it will cover all kinds of stuff like the Nazi dealings, Saudi alliances and the like.
The Bushes are degenerates and now the world will see it.
Boys? Man, how will he explain away the FMA? 
It was worth it to hear Nancy Sinatra call someone else trash. Bet she doesn't get to do that too often.
mishimishi,
Here name is Jennifer Fitzgerald, and as of 92 she had been Bush pere's mistress for 14 years...and she was HIS EXECUTIVE SECRETARY, made policy, as well as served as his gatekeeper. She was the most powerful person in his "employ"
When he become president, she was moved over to be the asst director of Protocol for the White House, still wielded enormous power...
and when her name finally surfaced in Spy, she was packed off to Switzerland....
Actually, when it comes to "Beautiful Mind" Babs I don't think it is witch but it does rhyme with it.
Boys? Man, how will he explain away the FMA?
steve_gilliard | Email | Homepage | 09.04.04 - 12:59 pm | # .......................Karen Hughes will gather the media and with Bush at her side he will say "I only put it in my mouth once".
As for witches, my opinion is that it's white English people's pathetic attempt to have a little ethnic flavour in their lives because I've never met a black witch, or an Italian witch or a Hispanic witch. But that's just my opinion.
So because you've never met them, they don't exist? Guffaw. You should shop in my store - http://esotericaofleesburg.com - trust me when I tell you, we see black, hispanic and italian witches daily. My favorites - the DC Radical Fairies. (Gay Pagans, get it?)
My great-grandmother was a hereditary witch/shaman. The job was passed on from eldest daughter to eldest daughter.
So I don't think that witchcraft is only based on the 1950's writings.
Background on Bush 41 alleged affair, from NewsMax of all places.
The definitive book about the Bush family was published years ago. It was written by Mario Puzo.
only in the real version fredo becomes president. go figure.
Well,
Luisah Tesh is a black witch.
Italian witches are known as as Stregia.
And, here's information on Hispanic witches.
As for "real religion" well, it's real enough for me. YMMV. And, no, I won't just go off and practice in private. Sorry. Not gonna happen. For all the obvious reasons.
(I really hope I did this correctly and don't break HaloScan).
EkCenTric - People have always relied on rumor and innuendo during campaigns. "Ma, ma, where's my pa?
gone to the White House,
Ha, ha, ha."
Old as the hills.
he will say "I only put it in my mouth once".
And "I didn't swallow."
Arachnae, I had no idea that you ran Esoterica! It's absolutely great and I've been there several times with my coven. Great store, great concerts, great place to hang out!
more details on Bush Sr.
Two thoughts: one, the Bushes are obviously a gold mine of dirt (ooh, what a metaphor). two, this easy-to-understand scandal is what can grab the greater public to increase Bush's negatives, more so than the policy failures discussed by those on the blogs.
PS -- I read on a blog the media only reports four things: Polls, Scandal, Mistakes, and Accusations -- and that the only one politicians can control is the fourth one (hence Swift Boat). Well, if the media is looking for some real Scandal, there's a gold mine of dirt in the Bushes.
Hecate........
Got a question here.
Republican witch for me does not compute.
Call me ignorent but don't witchs treat the earth is sacred and republicans think it's toilet paper given to us by Jesus?
It couldn't hurt.
Nahhh, wait a minute.
Bush supporters don't read....or they can't.
They'd rather listen to Rush the Junkie to watch O'LIE-ly and Handjob Hannity.
Hecate........
Got a question here.
Republican witch for me does not compute.
Call me ignorent but don't witchs treat the earth is sacred and republicans think it's toilet paper given to us by Jesus?
I'll read it, that's for sure!
The one poster was right, only I think the Bushes puts most mob families to shame.
After all, we've never heard of any Mafia people favoring the Nazis!
Molly Ivins reports that Bush's favorite beverage is O'Doul's, which is 0.5%
alcohol by volume.
In all fairness, what goober and others have said upthread is absolutely true. The "less than 0.5%" tag is a disclaimer, not unlike: "This product may contain nuts."
Orange juice could legitimately be required to make the same statement, although it isn't. And there are much more potent "other-than-beverage" sources for alcohol than non-alcoholic beer or wine, like mouthwash, after shave, sterno, etc...... If Bush were drinking enough O'Doul's to get a buzz, he'd look like William Howard Taft.
That said... I have no interest in fairness in this election, so: "As you were..."
Could Kitty Kelly be considered a 527?
Wicca, Christianity, Islam, Judaism....all religion is the same.
Superstition and bunk.
Look here, of course Wicca is a real religion, it's just that many of the the flighty, empty-headed,people practicing this real and ancient religion are just playacting, just pretending, just taking some natural reverence and respect for the environment and building some nonsensical and entirely invented rituals around it. Sort of like the California White Buddhists who are into TIBETAN Buddhism while they decry how CATHOLICISM messed up Jesus' simple message and made it too complex. They people are cracked and just want to regress into childhood magic, ritual and the false security, hope, and happiness it brings.
Long story short:
Wicca = real, ancient, respected religion
Most Wiccans = pathetic, fake, hollow hippie afterbirth.
Also to be released on the same day, Sept 14, see
http://www.phonyfighterpilot.com/
Kirt S. | Email | Homepage | 09.04.04 - 9:59 am | #
and is that author pissed at Bush. He is so pissed that he is making the entire book (except for a seventy page appendix) available online for free.
I've been hearing for years that the Bushes not only were -approved- to adopt but had actually taken a boy home, which they returned when Laura became pregnant.
Arachnae: The rumor I heard was that the twins were conceived with some technology, due to Bush's low sperm count--in vitro (spun down semen) or donor sperm.
Kitty Kelley ain't Ann Rule, but anything that makes the Bush family look worse than they already are is okay in my book.
Someone has to provide a balance to those Swift Boat Liars and their garbage.
As for Nancy Sinatra being "garbage", what's your problem with her? I'll admit I like her dad's music, but I didn't care for his politics at the end, but it doesn't mean Nancy is trashy for defending her father.
if kerry was doing his job, we wouldn't be clinging to third person, kitty kelly types for hope.
i can't believe you people satisfiedwith kerry and bush being neck in neck. after all the crap that's come out on bush, it's kerry who should be in the double digit lead. face it, he's not closing the deal. going into denial about it with your knee-jerk defense of kerry isn't going to change things for the better.
who knows, maybe kerry will kick it into high gear further down the road. but i've watched since since 2000. outside of his DOMA vote, i've never seen him risk being "controversial" and stick his head out first unless somebody else had hewn the road first. that's not leadership. please spare me citing his BCCI, POW work. that was decades ago. where is his moral courage now?
maybe if enough people (e.g. carville, trippi, etc.) prod kerry enough, he'll finally go on the offense.
Thanks Nancy Richardson.
As for white witches, you're probably talking about the USA. Everybody in the USA is urged to assimilate into a greater American culture, whereas Canada is known for its cultural mosaic. Having said that, I still stand by my opinion that witchcraft is just something that is used to stand out in the crowd. And, because it's my opinion and formed on my experience, no manner of verbal abuse will be able to change that, only to confirm that I have indeed struck a nerve.
stopTmess,
The Republicans in power certainly treat the Earth like toilet paper and their environmental policies are one of, but certainly not the only, the main reasons that I'm a Democrat.
However, Nixon gave us the EPA. Teddy Roosevelt gave us national parks. Lots of very conservative types love to hike, camp, hunt, fish, etc. and don't want to see the environment messed up.
I've got friends, indeed people in my own coven, who are both Republicans and witches. They may not agree with everything the Republicans do, just as I don't agree with everything the Democrats do, but they choose to stay and try to change their party from within.
I think that if I were a Christian I'd have a terrible time being a Republican, given what I know about Christ's teachings, but many Christians seem to be able to remain Republican, so I guess it's no surprise that some Wiccans can, as well.
YOU HAVE TO PLAY OFFENSE. Even a great defense doesn't put points on the board.
Yes, and it must be consistent if not constant. Personally, I vote for the latter. The Rethugs are the latter; they NEVER let up. If 9/11 had happened to Bill Clinton, would we have been hearing about rallying round the POTUS? Ha ha ha ha ha. It would have been 2 weeks to strike back and within 3 weeks there would have been an investigation into how he had failed us.
Arachnae, I had no idea that you ran Esoterica! It's absolutely great and I've been there several times with my coven. Great store, great concerts, great place to hang out!
Hey, Hecate - hollar out 'hey, Jane' next time you're there; they think my name is Jane, heh.
Come on out tonight - Revel Moon is playing!
Long story short:
Wicca = real, ancient, respected religion
Most Wiccans = pathetic, fake, hollow hippie afterbirth.
You forgot one:
Apophenia = snobbish, holier-than-thou proof that pagans have their own fundies
EPT,
Joseph Smith translated the golden plates
Dum dum dum dum dum
Even though nobody else ever saw them
Dum dum dum dum dum
Hey Bar: "... she always struck me as a..well I don't think I can say it on national TV, but it rhymes with BITCH...."
Karma
Hectare- "Fly over country?"
Fuck you.
Thanks Hecate. Makes sence to me.
I didn't know JOE CONASON wrote the Spy piece on Jennifer Fitzgerald.
(well, I am working from memory here folks, and I read the piece...which included 1001 reasons not to vote for George Bush....all of them incredibly compelling.)
I knew there was a reason I loved Joe. He was the first journalist to really go after Ken Starr.
I think the doomsayers on this board are shills for Karl Roverer, the German who heads Bush's campaign.
Hey, FlyOver Anon....
Cheney yourself. There is no reason that people in red states should call the tune for Civilized America
you fucking asshole.
However, Nixon gave us the EPA. Teddy Roosevelt gave us national parks. Lots of very conservative types love to hike, camp, hunt, fish, etc. and don't want to see the environment messed up
That was in olden times when the repugs were not a wing of the christian coalition.
So my daughter works for a major book store chain. Yesterday a gentleman came into the store to pick up the copy of "Unfit for Command" that he had ordered. He took the copy from the display area and asked the lady if he could have it or if they had the one he ordered elsewhere. The lady told him his book would be up front, took the book from him and said "I'll put this back on the propaganda table for you." At this, the man grabs to book from her hands, throws it across the floor and storms out of the store, empty handed.
Priceless.
So my daughter works for a major book store chain. Yesterday a gentleman came into the store to pick up the copy of "Unfit for Command" that he had ordered. He took the copy from the display area and asked the lady if he could have it or if they had the one he ordered elsewhere. The lady told him his book would be up front, took the book from him and said "I'll put this back on the propaganda table for you." At this, the man grabs to book from her hands, throws it across the floor and storms out of the store, empty handed.
Priceless.
the real shills for rove are the ones working in kerry's campaign. the ones who are urging kerry not to go "negative" because it doesn't test well.
leadership means not being dictated to by poll numbers. i bet RNC's kerry bashing wouldn't test well either. but guess what? real life results differed from labratory testing. when is the DNC going to realize that? it's past time for kerry to crawl out of the petri dish and start taking chances.
Tena
I stepped away for a moment to walk the cat. (Leash and all). As with all things cat, things are never simple. Hence I am way behind in the thread and still have to dash away again.
If I caught your comments correctly, yes, true, but I think we need to roll things back towards reality. When the average person gets all their news from rumor, gossip and pundit mills and never looks at the front page of the newspaper or even a formal news site, we have a problem.
Jon Stewart excepted of course. And he is a big name now, when is he going to spring the bucks and buy an "H" for that first name?
if kerry was doing his job, we wouldn't be clinging to third person, kitty kelly types for hope.
what? we'd be following him down the street singing the Horst-Wessel-Lied?
We're not the Nazis. We're not even the Republicans. We are the party that doesn't need to be told what to think, the party that can see with our own eyes what kind of shit is going down.
Ten years ago, I was a Republican-voting Episcopalian. I looked at everything I learned in terms of how I could possibly spin it so it would fit in with everything I already knew to be true.
Then, after a couple of really serious betrayals, I realized that although nobody could conclusively disprove those beliefs I held, they weren't actually very likely, when looked at objectively and dispassionately, to be true. They weren't the most likely explanation of the facts.
Within a year I was a post-Christian Democrat.
Our mission is to transform this society from the kind of feudal, superstitious, violent tribal federation that would elect a George Bush to one that truly belongs in the developed world of the twenty-first century. It is an educational mission.
One man cannot do it alone.
New newsweek poll confirms the Time 11% Bush lead. Must go kill myself.
I read the Nancy Reagan book. One thing that I remember is when the Reagans went to a Xmas eve dinner given by one of their rich friends accompanied by several staff members. The staff was shuffled off to the tv room and then ignored. The daughter of the man giving the party came in and asked if they wanted some dinner. They all said yes as they had been sitting there for several hours. Then they waited for half an hour and she came back and asked what kind of entree they wanted and left again. Then she came back a half hour later and was giggling and they realized that she was just jerking them around and that no food was coming.They told Kelly they didn't even have to be there but Nancy had insisted on having a big staff entourage rather than the usual secret service detail. And then they were subjected to this vicious joke by a vapid 30-year-old rich idiot. Nothing like giving up Xmas eve with your family and then having some nasty fool play a joke like that. But this is the gop "have more's" amusing themselves with the servants.
Lots of very conservative types love to hike, camp, hunt, fish, etc. and don't want to see the environment messed up
These are the NRA sport killers with 30.06 cal. penis extenions.
Kitty Kelley ain't Ann Rule
Thank God for that. She ain't Anne Rice either.
Or John O'Neill.
Info about Jennifer Fitzgerald + pic.
the thing that's got me boiling at a slow roil is the fact that all this horror coming from the rightwing is going to literally pull this country apart if kerry actually succeeds in being declared the winner of the election. the right is working very hard to literally demonize anyone who is not in their line as to destroy the perceived legitimacy of a duly elected president ... i am in despair for the future (mine, the american way of life's, this country and the rest of the poor world) if things continue on in this way
Info about Jennifer Fitzgerald + pic.
Gah. Not with Karl Rove's dick.
Then she came back a half hour later and was giggling and they realized that she was just jerking them around and that no food was coming.
omg. doesn't that fit so well as an analogy of bush policy?
Editorial Reviews
From the Inside Flap
They have wielded enormous financial power and dominated world politics for more than half a century. They have been appointed to positions of great power and have been elected as governors, congressmen, senators and presidents. They have shaped our past and, with our country at war under the leadership of their number one son, they are, more critically than ever, shaping our future.
As the Bush family has risen to dominance, so too they have been master orchestrators of their own public image, acting and operating under the shield of privacy their money and status have always afforded them. Until now.
Number One bestselling author and investigative biographer Kitty Kelley has closely examined the lives of Jacqueline Onassis, Nancy Reagan, Frank Sinatra, and the British Royal family. Now the First Lady of unauthorized biography reckons with the first family of the United States--and the result is at once a rich and shocking history and a very human portrait of the world's most powerful dynasty.
An important polemic on wealth, power, and class in America, The Family is rich in texture, probing in its psychological insight, revealing in its political and financial detail, and stunning in the patterns that emerge and expose the Bush dynasty as it has never before been exposed. Ms. Kelley takes us back to the origins of the family fortune in the Ohio steel industry at the turn of the last century, through the oil deals and international business associations that have maintained and increased their wealth over the past hundred years. The book leads us through Prescott Bush's first entrée into government at the state level in 1950s' Connecticut, to George Herbert Walker Bush's long and winding road to the White House, to his son's quick sweep into the same office. Along the way, we see the complex relationships the Bushes have had with the giants of the century--Eisenhower, Nixon, Joseph McCarthy, Kissinger, Reagan, Clinton--as well as the often ruthless methods used to realize their goals.
Perhaps most impressive--and surprising--is the way the book delves behind the obsessively protected public image into the family's intimate private lives: the matriarchs, the mistresses, the marriages, the divorces, the jealousies, the hypocrisies, the golden children, and the black sheep.
At a crucial point in American history, Kitty Kelley is the one person to finally tell all about the family that has, perhaps more than any other, defined our role in the modern world. This is the book the Bushes don't want you to read. This is The Family.
(the rumor i heard is that kelly will talk about how bush still drinks.)
as a practicing alcoholic myself i can guarantee that bush still drinks. takes one to know one.
nashville katz-i don't think we disagree here. i think there is some confusion as to what constitutes going negative and what constitutes fighting dirty.
i don't consider the two to be the same thing. fighting dirty is inventing lies about your opponent. kerry doesn't need to do that.
going negative means unabashedly pointing out the truth of what bush has done. that's all kerry needs to do -- if he had the courage to do so.
Wicca, Christianity, Islam, Judaism....all religion is the same.
Superstition and bunk.
Kinda true Terry, but only if you take it literally. There are valuable messages in each of these religions of you view them metaphorically.
You know what a metaphor is, don't you sonny?! (Sorry, just had to say that!)
-y - STFU - where's wOOt? I need his STFU graphics.
You and Incognito, if you aren't the same person and I'm beginning to think you are, are very boring and tired and we've heard it and read it again and again and again.
Go get new Repug talking points, for Christ's sake. Tell Unka Karl that this one about Kerry being a pussy (oh, yeah, right - volunteered for combat, saved lives while Dubya was trashing a rent house in Alabama, drunk and coked to the gills) is old, tired, listless and needs to be retired.
Echidne, arachnae, Hecate.... Forgive me for asking, but is there a rule involved with lots o' vowels, must end in 'e'?
As for ethnically challenged witches - I'd suggest that you not bring up such a thing amongst my Irish relatives. They're so ethnic they make my Oklahoma Cherokee kinfolk (yes, that's right) blanch.
it's obvious to me that bush didn't stop drinking. he just stopped going out in public.
"can i worship my wife's ass and and then spend all day and night whining about not being taken seriously?"
i don't know. never seen your wife's ass.
the real shills for rove are the ones working in kerry's campaign. the ones who are urging kerry not to go "negative" because it doesn't test well.
Bush doesn't actually do the negative stuff himself, and not just because he's always been too wimpy to do his own dirty work. It does make a candidate look looney. (Case in point: Zell Miller.) And let's face it, even a well-edited and utterly accurate list of Bush's failures would be so long and infuriating that it would be hard to recite without obvious anger (which, again, makes you look looney in front of newspeople). So Kerry has to be careful about this.
For these purposes, we have Air America, Alterman, Jon Stewart et al., and now Kitty Kelley.
We should be developing a farm team for people who can talk trash to the media (thus deflecting the resulting unflattering light from our candidates themselves). Possibly the 'blogs will do that.
"...because I've never met a black witch, or an Italian witch or a Hispanic witch. But that's just my opinion..."
come to New Mexico some time and I can introduce you to all of the above and Jewitches as well.
Paganism/Witchcraft/Wicca et all are 'religions' because the devotees say they are. If it's good enough for the engrams of the Hubbardittes and Messiah of the Moonies, it's good enough for those who worship a pantheon of deities and the very Earth upon which we dwell. Many folks do devotion and practises far more fully and with deeper devotion than the Christians I've known. (and members of my family went into Catholic orders and worked among the poor of Africa and South America as well as the urban poor in the US. Another branch of the family were Puritan preachers in the theocracy of the Massachusetts Bay Colony, so you can say the whole blessed family is a bit obsessed with matter of the Spirit) But for most, unless dancing naked under the Moon, it's a private faith done away from uninitated eyes. Most do as much if not more study about the basic tenets and practises of their faiths as your typical Methodist. In 30 years of knowing Pagan socially and intimately, I've found folks with respect not only for their own faith, but for the faith of others. Pagans don't do evangelism, and trying to 'reclaim' the word Witch is probably impossible, but I still hate it when folks so coyly use 'witch' as a substitute for 'bitch'.
Yes, by the Morrigan's Black Wings, there are Republican Pagans, even fundamentalist Pagans.
IIRC, Bush was asked about Pagans in the military during a appearence in the '00 campaign. He said he didn't believe Paganism was a religion. I didn't realize that he'd been made Supreme Religious Leader as well as POTUS by the Supremes.
I suspect that most Pagans will be doing a lot of workings in the days leading up to Novemeber 2, and for many days beyond. I'd be working to lift the veil upon the eyes of America, calling the spirits of our great patriots to aid us, creating energy for the good fight. As the English covens battled against the Nazis occultism to protect their good greeen island, the Pagans of America will surely be blending their work with the prayers and supplications of Christians, Jews, Muslims etc., etc., who are working to turn back the tide of fundamentalism and fear.
Now let's get back to my first and most devoted religious subject I share with you all,
Politics!
Wicca, Christianity, Islam, Judaism....all religion is the same.
Superstition and bunk.
"Kinda true Terry, but only if you take it literally. There are valuable messages in each of these religions of you view them metaphorically."
That's true Elkal, because you are made in the Image of God. Just like I Ching, and with all spiritual writings, You can read any page and it will draw out the message from within you.
note to self: ignore hysterical name calling.
New newsweek poll confirms the Time 11% Bush lead. Must go kill myself.
Don't panic. Be enraged. Check out DailyKos's tread. Dirty tricks are afoot.
Can I worship my wife's ass and then spend all day and night whining about not being taken seriously and how my rights are violated?
TN,
Can I worship your wife's ass and then spend all day and night violating it?
TIA
"Our world is full of people who have found peace, fulfillment, and friendship by suspending their own reasoning and simply accepting a single authority which seems wise and good. I've learned that they leave the movements when, and only when, they discover they have been maliciously deceived."
Dr. Ed Friedlander, the Pathology Guy.
Dr. Ed was talking about "true believers" in various alternative medicines. It's also applicable to believers in faith healers, crack-brained evangelicals, and Bushites.
Argue all you want about "Should we play dirty?" or "Just tell people the facts!" The point is that those who want to hear the facts about the war, or the economy, or healthcare, whatever - they've already heard them. The ones that hear them and are True Bush Believers will ignore the facts. "Oh, that's just more lies from the LIEbirals!"
We argue over the tiny crumbs of leftover undecided voters. What we should be capable of envisioning is a day when the Bushites have the scales fall from their eyes, when they see how they have been "maliciously deceived."
These folks who love Bush LOVE him, because he's "honest" and "true" and "a good Christian" and "loves and is faithful to his wife" and "found the strength in the Lord to give up drinking" and "placed his faith in Jesus at age 40 and was born again". They want to believe he's all these things, because they want to believe in someone.
When they find out that Bush is not only NOT all these things, but has been pretending to be in order to deceive them - for his own benefit, and to fleece them -
then we can talk about a real horse race in the Presidency.
Kelley's book is gonna get big play, both here and in the UK, and is going to break at #1. And if there is the slightest bit of documentation of 1/4 of her claims, Bush is in very, very, very serious trouble. Just read Free Republic and sniff the stench of fear.
Bush probably never read "Ozymandias" in school. But he should have.
Bush probably never read "Ozymandias" in school. But he should have.
hee hee hee. (high-fives)
I agree that Ms Kelley writes some pretty devastating stuff - but the times call for it - she seems to be correct abut 99% of the time.
I hope she incuded in her book about Laura Bush's 'accident' at the age of 17 (The media would have never given Hillary Clinton a free pass if she had done something like that).
My daughter is an attorney, and she used to be with the DA's office - she told me that when there is a death caused by a driver who has gone through a red light, it is termed a 'reckless homicide', and the very LEAST the perpetrator can get is 'probation'. Depending upon the circumstances, there are much more severe penalties.
Sat. 09/04/04 12:03pm
Official: U.S. Capture of bin Laden Close
1 hour, 25 minutes ago
http://story.news.yahoo.com/
news...istan_bin_laden
The Repub's just can't seem to contain themselves. At the very least, they could have waited until Shrubs numbers started their downward spirl after the initial bounce...
I suspect that most Pagans will be doing a lot of workings in the days leading up to Novemeber 2, and for many days beyond. I'd be working to lift the veil upon the eyes of America, calling the spirits of our great patriots to aid us, creating energy for the good fight. As the English covens battled against the Nazis occultism to protect their good greeen island, the Pagans of America will surely be blending their work with the prayers and supplications of Christians, Jews, Muslims etc., etc., who are working to turn back the tide of fundamentalism and fear.
Pagans vary widely in beliefs, but the idea that whatever you can do in the mundane world is more effective than looking for help in the other world is pretty constant. So w/r/t politics, prayers, supplications, rituals and meditations will be like pissing in the wind and the intelligent energies won't even notice if the supplicant isn't registered to vote.
I kinda admire that.
Dorothy Ligon - Your daughter is right. However, back when Laura ran that stop sign, it was an easy matter in Texas to get something like that hushed-up and over with quickly. It's not so much anymore, but when Laura had that accident, it was still legal in Texas to drink while driving. We didn't outlaw open containers of booze in the car until about 1982 or so.
just went up on the Amzon site to order KK's book and could we all do our bit to knock that filthy pile of lies 'UFC' off the list by ordering copies of some books that have a basis in actual facts? If you've already bought a copy of KK or Franken or whatever, give one to your auntie. If you don't have any money to buy books, go to you local library and request they buy a copy or twenty. Librarian and book sellers are on the front lines these days, and my librarian friends, beleive it or not, are delighted.
An acquaintance who works for the same mega-publisher as KK told me last night no one in the house has been able to get a copy of the book for advance reading. Also, it's gone through legal vetting by two different firms to check what can be checked. Expected first run: 750K.
Kelly's a pro, she plays well with talk show hosts, and couldn't be better timed. Even the Nancy book, which the Repubs tried very hard to destroy got talked about on major shows (well, not the blow-job parts, except maybe on Stern). It's another round of ammo we need for this battle.
Can't wait to get home and get back to work for the Dems in another week. Am at my professional convention right now, missed the RNC this past week, was probably best for my blood pressure.
Even here at the convention, the talk of politics overwhelms every other topic within minutes, I've never seen this in more than 30 years of attending these shindigs.
first eschaton fix in four days,
As for Nancy Sinatra being "garbage", what's your problem with her? I'll admit I like her dad's music, but I didn't care for his politics at the end, but it doesn't mean Nancy is trashy for defending her father.
Terry C
I wouldn't say Nancy Sinatra is "grabage" but you can't deny that her stage persona is trampy. I mean, Lightnin'? Boots? Love Eyes? Give me a break, the Ronnetts had more class.
I'd say anyone defending Frank Sinatra has their work cut out for them.
NMRed - amazing, isn't it? Since Bushie usurped the WH, politics has been very much the topic and there is no sign of slacking off. That's probably a good thing for the country in some ways - people are motivated to take an active role in their own destiny. Finally.
Record turnout, kiddies - it's going to happen. And always remember this: there are more Democrats in America than Repugs.
Molly in good old NYC -
yep, you still gotta do the work in the material world - as I've told folks who have asked me to help them get a job - "ok, what's your qualitfications, have you mastered these skills and the knowledge needed, did you write out a resume? The Gods help those who help themselves, and no amount of praying to Apollo to make you an astronaut is going to get you on a rocket ship unless you've got the Phd's and skills needed"
And if the fundies can pray for Bush to be re-elected, then I'll add my prayers to those of my Pagan Brothers and Sisters for Kerry and the Dems, lit the candles on the fire-proof altar and then get in my car and drive little old ladies to the polls all day long.
In '92 folks were annoyed when I brought registration information to Pagan events, this year since before the NM caucus in January I've been asked for information on everything from registration to voluntering.
We'll win this one, by our own hard work and Will.
And then we'll go dance naked under the Moon...
"Stinky: Your argument, while cathartic, still does not make Wicca a "real religion"."
Huh? TN, check your posts, it's not one of mine you're referring to.
dont trash nany sinatra, look up her political donations.
she's supporting clooney!
she's a good person!
tena
I do find it amasing how much more open people are about learning more, expressing their veiws and ideas. Being known as a true and blue Democrat has brought me some hard times in the past, but this year, people I never expected to tolerate more than a few minutes of me railing about some new Bushite policy are pointing me towards news articles and doing a pretty good job of ranting themselves these days.
It's just the beginning, and I'm warning people that one day of voting, a few days of volunteering is just the beginning, we've got years of work ahead of us, but they seem to understand that, and there's a whole lot more of 'us' to do the work than there were a few years ago.
The poll numbers had people freaked out last night, so I spent a lot of time giving the best 'be not afraid, my brothers and sisters' speech I could make at a lot of parties.
And have handed out over 50 Kerry badges of the 100 I brought with me.
In '92 folks were annoyed when I brought registration information to Pagan events, this year since before the NM caucus in January I've been asked for information on everything from registration to voluntering.
Our store mannequin is wearing Kerry buttons; everyone asks where they can get one (we keep 'em in the back room where people leave off their flyers and brochures - also Kerry bumperstickers and voter regitration forms). No complaints yet.
Why no attempt at pre-publication suppression, a la Hatfield's 2000 Bush bio?
Either the material isn't that damning, or there's no hope of convincing a judge or jury that the material is libelous.
Re: Shrub dillying around with other men.
No thank you. He is not wanted on my team at all. Please keep him for the hetero side.
Thank you.
once the story comes out, they can call it a lie. if they try to suppress it, folks will assume the worst, and further, that it's true.
This is where Democrats differ from Republicans, to their (our) detriment. Look at how conservative pundits and some Republican politicians leapt on the Swift Boat accusations and mentioned them on cable and talk radio as much as possible.
I've done some thinking about this. It is in the republican neo-con fundie nature to be bottom scrapers. In my view they are the epitome of evil and their depravity knows no limits.
Therefore, when they lie and sling their bile they are coming from a true place.
We are not good mudslingers and everybody can smell the whiff of the imposter. That's why we flail and fail when we try to do as they do. It's phony. We don't really have the stomach to go to the dark places where they live naturally.
I know in the short run it may seem to be detrimental to our cause when we stand firm and just point out the facts. And it might even cause us to lose (though I don't think we will). But we have no other recourse.
We'll never be like them.
*
Kevin Phillips' book on the Bushes is devastating - but his style is boring, boring, boring. I was very interested in it and it kept putting me to sleep.
Kitty Kelley writes for the masses. Her book will be read by them, and discussed by more.
I can't say I'm a big fan of this kind of "literature," but in this case it couldn't happen to a more deserving family.
Gurlll Informs Us:
Official: U.S. Capture of bin Laden Close
"The Repub's just can't seem to contain themselves. At the very least, they could have waited until Shrubs numbers started their downward spirl after the initial bounce..."
They've got to be CAREFUL, though, the thawing process, if it's to be done correctly, can literally take *weeks.*
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Good points all around. I agree that I've never known everyone to be so interested in politics as they are now -- and I live in DC, where politics is the local industry and sports team all rolled into one. Everyone I talk to -- co-workers, the guy who came to fix my cable box, cab drivers, the guy who cuts my hair, totally non-political friends -- everyone seems interested in this election.
I hope Kerry wins and that the Dems and MoveOn figure out a way to keep some of the enthusiasm going, because there will be an important mid-term election in 2006 and the Republicans will try to turn Kerry's term into the sort of smear-fest that they managed against Clinton. And I, for one, am not going to ever stand by and just watch that happen ever again.
Whether Kerry wins or loses or has the election stolen from him, I'm not going away. I'll be here, demonstrating, and volunteering, and donating, and writing letters to the editor, and generally making the Republicans' lives difficult. And I plan to keep the pressure on Kerry and the Dems in the Senate and Congress, as well.
And, I don't think I'm alone.
BTW, did anyone see the most recent Bill Maher show (last night)?
Andrew Sullivan got on, and argued, in all seriousness, that Jenna and notJenna did just a bangup job in their speech, and that they were just about as charming as any young women could be.
The more I hear from the guy, the more I realize that he isn't just wrong, he's cracked.
mishimishi - Where in Canada are you from? Up in Toronto, where I used to live, there were Wiccans of all shapes and sizes, and yes, even some that tried to copy movies like The Craft. But the media infatuation with pseudo-Wicca passed years ago, and most of the trendoids moved on. You are fully entitled to your opinion, obviously, as long as you are open to the fact that serious practitioners of Wicca do exist. I believe some took offense to your insinuation that Wicca is just for image-conscious posers, that's all. When you insult something that is close to someone's heart, they might get a little touchy. Just like me and my Macs
Oh yes, back on topic - I'm looking forward to the Bushbook. Salaciousness of all stripes sells like, well, seashells on the seashore.
Jenny from the Blog - Fact is that most Americans are tired of the lies, the slanders, the smears, the bullshit. Of course, they'll read the lies, the slander and the smears, but only the dedicated Bushites think that trashing Kerry is good clean fun. With the rest of the electorate, trashing the opposition does not sit as well.
It is not going to lose us the election for Kerry to be Kerry. I like very much the fact that Kerry waited awhile before he hit back - because it takes any excuse away from the Bushites - they have nothing upon which to base a "Well Kerry did it," argument.
I love being a Deist...
Though sometimes, I do wish the Creator would take an active hand in It's Creation and SMITE.
Bushie is Gay/Bi/??? This will sell. Perhaps the Christian wrong will go back to 19th century where they belong and save us from the Pat Robinson/Falwell/Focus on the Family BS they've been feeding us. The sooner that is done the sooner those of us in the Great Unwashed can get down to business with the real puppet-masters of this evil dominion and do battle.
Babs is a bitch, not a witch.
When thinking of Babs, just remember what Nixon said about her, "that's a woman who knows how to hate."
She's the reason Dubya is such an asshole.
As for Kitty Kelly, out surrogates need to go on the talk shows and say, "well, I personally don't know if the allegations are true, but she sure does raise a lot of QUESTIONS, doesn't she?" and do it with a semi-innocent shrug.
Look, we don't need to sling dirt. We just need to tell the fucking truth, cause the truth about these thugs is dirt.
Tena -
I'm okay with Kerry's pace as well. I am a bit surprised and disappointed that so many people have given a listen to the smears, though. I won't even give that crap an iota of my time - and yet there seem to be an inordinate amount of folks who do tune in.
Humans all have a built-in bullshit detector and why so many want to waste their time on obvious falsehood I don't know!
But I'm in your camp. In the end, I'm proud and pleased with the way our beautiful, big John is handling the campaign and we will see what we will see...
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You know who Barbara Bush reminds me of?
Jason's mother, Mrs. Pamela Voorhees, from FRIDAY THE 13TH and FREDDY VS. JASON.
Also to be released on the same day, Sept 14, see
http://www.phonyfighterpilot.com/
Kirt S. | Email | Homepage | 09.04.04 - 9:59 am | #
and is that author pissed at Bush. He is so pissed that he is making the entire book (except for a seventy page appendix) available online for free.
tena-- kerry to be kerry? how do you know how the decision to treat the smearboat slanders went down?
according to an interview with george stepanapolous on imus last week (who said he has friends working with the campaign) he said kerry's first response was to hit back quickly against the smears. it was his campaign aides who talked him out it, saying to do so would have given the charges more oxygen.
kerry needs to trust his instincts more.
forgot to mention, here is another book that has potential. don't trust critism of bush from the left? then listen to pat buchanan. he's exposing the pnac/christian zionist agenda:
Where the Right Went Wrong : How Neoconservatives Subverted the Reagan Revolution and Hijacked the Bush Presidency
between kitty kelly and buchanan, bush is getting reamed from all sides.
weeeeeeeeeee
(Staunchly Republican Az.) Phoenix's
Public Library system has been requested to obtain a copy of "The Family." I've been waiting for Donna Brazil's book for appox. three (3) months now. I bet KK's book will reach me in a year or so...
They've got to be CAREFUL, though, the thawing process, if it's to be done correctly, can literally take *weeks.*
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By "weeks," you mean exactly 8 weeks and 4 days, don'tcha! Hopefully, though, "they" took advantage of the cryogenics technology we have located here in the Valley of the Sun...
screw kitty kelly, bring on seymour hersh
"Andrew Sullivan got on, and argued, in all seriousness, that Jenna and notJenna did just a bangup job in their speech, and that they were just about as charming as any young women could be."
I understand that he doesn't expect that much from women in the first place, though.
that pat buchanan book has some serious daggers in it for bobo; i used a couple of them the other night in a rethug posting channel and they couldn't erase them fast enough:
the dirty principle is this: the right wing has gone so far right that they are now liberals; the political spectrum is not flat -- it's round
if kerry were to step out with two conservative messages (pick from the following three), he'd win this election going away:
1>. real and responsible immigration policy that does not discriminate
2>. a real border security plan that would be cheaper than unilateralism
3>. reformed trade policy with nations who do not reflect our views in the world; our economic power is more powerful than our military might and the first target is china
Andrew Sullivan got on, and argued, in all seriousness, that Jenna and notJenna did just a bangup job in their speech, and that they were just about as charming as any young women could be.
The more I hear from the guy, the more I realize that he isn't just wrong, he's cracked.
if that's the best support line that a republican has for his party, while I agree that sullivan is a lost soul because of his views, then how does bobo reach the people that adore andrew sullivan
bobo kicked a whole part of his rich base to the curb; and professional gay men contribute to these parties heavily; don't be fooled
Sullivan's gay. Maybe he's a better judge of men. In any event, Jenna and Barb embarrased the hell out of their dear old Gammy, so God bless both of them.
Sullivan's gay? Marvelous!
Not that there's anything wrong with that...
Hey, whatever gets you there.
Echidne, arachnae, Hecate...forgive me for asking, but is there a rule involved with lots o' vowels, must end in 'e'?
- GWPDA
No. It's the Ancient Greek Conspiracy raising it's ugly head on our very own favorite libbie blog.
Fucking classicists.
SQUEAKe
Bill Maher's show last night was, as usual, great. Although I was a bit surprised at the way he talked about Kerry being done because of the Time poll just released. He should know better than that. He also, along with Andrew Sullivan, thought the Bush twins were charming. Whatever. Arianna Huffington and Jason Alexander were the REAL charmers and on target, bashing Bush and throwing cold water on Andrew. I did have to grudgingly give props to him however for calling out the Repubs as the nasty gay-bashing cretins most of them are. He didn't answer Arianna's challenge to explain why he respects Bush when he disrespects gays. Probably can't reconcile that one yet. Maybe by November 2nd he'll come to his senses.
speaking of dead old greeks, the only one you need is thersites. Check out at all costs I.F. Stone's The Trial of Socrates, which argues that Thersites, uppity conscripted peasant who did not know his place and was beaten for voicing the same complaints feudal lord Achilles later gets praise for noting, was sort of the germ of democracy, sort of a greek John Ball.
How big is Sully's neck these days?
(I only use my TV to watch DVDs)
k&y: thanks for the intel. am hoping to major in Classics (leading with my heart, not my head), but somehow I always suspected that the storied Greek polis had more to do with the working class than all those speechifying Athenian nobles anyway.
Maybe what the field needs, aside from all those paleocons SHUTTING THE FUCK UP about virtue, is a rigorous class analysis.
Nunc vide ecce SQUEAK.
friends, roman and countryfolk, lend me yours eyes:
Drudge will eat it up...
every rumor the book has...
every day he will likely run headlines on the book....
or supress it by ignoring it....
nah! he'll run with it.
yikes. In that first line, an "s" ran to the right. bad buzz.
I read somewhere that one of the sources for this book is Neil Bush's ex-wife. She's a main source for "The Family"
So, that aspect gives it either some credibility or an opportunity for Bush, etc. to try and smear the ex-....Either way, the media will swim in it.
Will the book have the story about Jeb Bush Jr being caught naked with another boy in a parking lot?
Okay, still sitting here in a happy stupor wondering if what I'm reading is true (whatever that means) -- are y'all saying that KK's book will suggest (prove?) that Dumbya swings both ways? (Or perhaps only one way, THAT way?) Talk about the shit hitting the fan -- this is what they've been subliminally hinting about John & John (so French-looking sensitive and the Breck Girl, respectively -- not to mention AH-nold's girly men put-down). The prez is bi? Gay? What a hoot! Now there's an election issue I can get interested in!
"Will the book have the story about Jeb Bush Jr being caught naked with another boy in a parking lot?"
Sheesh -- is the whole litter queer? It's the mother's fault!!!!! (You know, the rhymes with bitch.)
It reveals the details of embarassing photographs of Bush that actually caused U.S. Govt. agents to perpetrate the anthrax mailings to destroy the building of National Enquirer and kill photo editor Stevens.
Oops, I didn't know that!
http://
www.washingtonmonthly.com...409.sirota.html
How Kerry broke the code to terrorist funding .. in 1988!!! before it was kosher and even ticked off some Demis. We need a proescutor like this in office to uncover all the Bushies leftovers.. including JFK.
ATTENTION ALL TROLLS: Report back to headquarters ASAP for new trolling points, "the" rumor has finally begun (the boss is a fag). Time to go nucular.
Damn. Trollpatrol. You beat me to my joke.
Are you kidding? Americans wont read this. Because it actually involves reading, and even thinking! And the media won't pick it up. It could have pictures of W's girlfriend getting an abortion and Bill Hemmer or Daryn Kagan will say they're doctored.
Are you kidding? Americans wont read this. Because it actually involves reading, and even thinking! And the media won't pick it up. It could have pictures of W's girlfriend getting an abortion and Bill Hemmer or Daryn Kagan will say they're doctored.
here's what i'm hoping for - excerpts on the next ten front pages of weekly world news, national enquirer and the star.
"shocking bush dynasty revelations!" in the supermarket checkout line. yesssss...
People who read Clarke, Phillips or (john W.) Dean don 't read Kitty Kelly- but they aren't the undecided and they aren't the 4 million evangeliacals who sat out the last election. Those people watch the fluff shows that cover gossip in depth. This will have an significant negative impact on the population Rove is targeting.
About Kelly's book being "disappeared..." Not likely. It's being published by Doubleday. She has a huge following, is very successful and has a ruthless agent.
And I really don't think they want to piss off Kitty Kelly too much, no matter what she says about Bush, because she's wicked enough to write a second, even better book, to profit from the notoriety. They will try to sluff it off as the lowest kind of Hollywood gossip, as unreliable as anything else she writes, and she's only doing it for money, yadda-yadda. To which, she'll probably say, "Yeah, so what's your point?"
She also does not have a political axe to grind. She is an equal opportunity muckraker. I really enjoyed her book about Sinatra. If she's not afraid of HIS buddies, I don't think she would worry about Karen Hughes.
Who could possibly make fun of Laura's giving back an adopted baby to an orphanage. I think that's right Christian of her, considering that she could have just done what she usually did and run it over.
not soon enough.
not soon enough.
Kitty Kelley is a scandalmonger and I doubt she's going to sway anyone to do anything. Her Nancy Reagan expose didn't exactly topple THAT administration, now did it? Hell, even the libelous sewage dished up by the Clinton haters didn't lay a glove on him either when the elections came. Quit dreaming. The only scandal on the horizon that can damage these bastards is Plamegate, and they may have successfully pushed that one off till post-election. Kerry has to start going for the jugular and right away on Iraq and Osama and 9/11 itself.
Woot needs to make us anew troll shield- one with a chickenhawk in it!
I have it on good authority that Kelly is outing Barbara Bush's true identity.
I wonder if Bush will have the nerve to demand that Kerry repudiate Kelly's book.
What I'm wary of is that Democrats and high-profile liberal pundits won't pick up on Kelly's bombshells, distancing themselves from her (sniff, sniff) tabloid mentality and letting her bombshells fend for themselves. Kelly is considered too declasse to be touted by the Richard Cohens of this world.
This is where Democrats differ from Republicans, to their (our) detriment. Look at how conservative pundits and some Republican politicians leapt on the Swift Boat accusations and mentioned them on cable and talk radio as much as possible. They expedited the story and injected it into the political mainstream.
Democrats seldom do that, even though it's been shown to work. Look, for example, at the media surge that was set off when Terry McAuliffe questioned Bush's service record on one of the Sunday morning blab shows--it became a big story for a week, put a new issue into play and put the Bushies on the defensive.
YOU HAVE TO PLAY OFFENSE. Even a great defense doesn't put points on the board.
I agree with this 100%. Bush is not playing nice and he's surging in the polls. To allow Bush to play dirty without fighting back just as hard only makes the public think that maybe Kerry really is a wimp. What, besides begging Bush to repudiate or stop the smear ads, has Kerry done to defend himself? Begging Bush for anything is only making him look like a whiner. Kerry needs to put the gloves on and get in there and fight for us OR like Gore he can take the high road right into oblivion while Bush takes the White House.
I have it on good authority that Kelly is outing Barbara Bush's true identity.
Paul Bearer | Email | Homepage | 09.05.04 - 12:29 am | #
HOWLING!!
I have it on good authority that Kelly is outing Barbara Bush's true identity.
Paul Bearer | Email | Homepage | 09.05.04 - 12:29 am | #
HOWLING!!
God, those trolls are scared, aren't they? I can smell it from here.
The big deal about Kitty Kelley's book is who's going to be talking about it -- those undecided or leaning Bush voters in red states that can make the difference. My sisters in Indiana will hear all about it on their daytime tv talk shows -- Oprah, whoever -- and they'll talk about it with their friends, who'll talk about it with their friends . . . That kind of book isn't for the punditocracy -- it's for the people. And they won't buy it -- they'll hear about it, and read excerpts in magazines. And maybe when it comes out in paperback they'll read it on the plane, or while waiting for the bus. Oh yeah. Kitty's stories will be a bigger deal than the actual sales of the book. (And if she can write a book like that about Sinatra and come out of it alive, she can write about the Bushes.) Go Kitty.
I have it on good authority that Kelly is outing Barbara Bush's true identity.
Don't know if I'll read it myself, but any book that lessens W's chances for election is fine by me.
Do you mean that dear Laura is a killer? What next, George is a drunk/coke fiend/abortionist?
what happened to asshole roberts?
The reason I mentioned Drudge's site is because it is the GOP's National Enquirer.
Noone worth his or her salt can possibly think that GOoPers won't buy or won't read or won't talk about this book. It isn't undereducated people alone who will be curious as to details from the book. So don't be chauvenistic towards what you think is the "target market".
Prominent republicans will buy this book to see if their names are in it. seriously. they are that narcissitic, and that easily spooked. mudracking seems to bring out the fear in a politician. So, thank whatever god you believe in for muckrackers.
Drudge will run "exclusives" and GooPy readers will follow the links to read them. Then FUXSnooze will try and discredit the book, with talk radio following suit. But, a weird thing will happen, the rest of the media will follow the story.
Ah! The Power of Sensationalism!
The book won"t totally wreck re-elect chances (i gave up hope on such good for Democrats getting the upper hand after the 2000 election. ) one bad spate of news won't disrail Bush...unless a lot of bad news reinforces the Credibility Gap Bush ownz.
The Perfect Storm of news which attacks credibility and authenticity will boot those thugs out of office. Add some decent campaigning by KE04 and yowzers! We get a new preznit who we can call The President.
According to what I've heard, most people get their news from early morning news shows, some from the evening news, many from the talk radio and late night talk shows. People of all stripes will be know something that is in the book and will talk with others about it.
Like I wrote, the media will swim in it. i.e., this book will get saturated on the airwaves and in print. Look what free publicity did for two or three false allegations by the not-so-swift-fatcats for bush. That took three weeks of airtime; Kelley's book along with other undisputable, damning evidence could really make waves. Hopefully for the better good we get a new president come next Janurary.
dont trash nany sinatra, look up her political donations.
she's supporting clooney!
n69n
Glad to see that feud is over. Ok, ok. Nancy Sinatra may not be trash, but she's played it on TV.
Kitty Kelly may write about trashy people but it's well documented trash and she's still more of a journalist than anyone on cable, just about all of broadcast and a majority of print "journalists". She's a better journalist than a good part of The Times staff. I'd put her accuracy record against most of the Time's or Post's op-ed pages.
To David of Austin TX:
Are you kidding? Critical of those she writes about? Lordy be, where have you been? She skins them alive. Then she eats their lives. With relish. I loved the job she did on Nancy. Beeeooootiful!
To David of Austin TX:
Are you kidding? Critical of those she writes about? Lordy be, where have you been? She skins them alive. Then she eats their lives. With relish. I loved the job she did on Nancy. Beeeooootiful!
At least a few of Kitty's hits, whatever they are, will stick forever in national memory, just like Nancy Reagan's shotgun wedding, astrological dependency and the affair with Frank.
But "Bush still drinks"! Absurd as it sounds, that will be a shock to many in the middle who bought the pretzel story hook, line and sinker: "The president of the United States, watching a football game alone in the White House, passed out and gashed his forehead on the coffee table after ingesting one too many ... pretzels!" Of course, those staunch deniers on the right won't believe a word of it, but then they think Bush's shit smells better than napalm in the morning.
But really, I just assumed that, since the book is about the whole family, it would regurgitate mostly known information and persistent rumors, like Prescott's dealings with the Nazis and profiteering, Bush I's affairs and self-contradictory testimony on Iran-Contra, Neil's infidelity and genital herpes (or was it gonnorhea?) and success with Silverado, Jeb's fondness for coke, W's business failures (is it true that no investor in any of W's companies ever made money?), insider trading, desertion, alcoholism and substance abuse, fixed DWI tickets, foul mouth, sexual incontinency and the general inebriated haze that dominated every single hour of his life for the years 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985 .... Party on, dude!
The one question no one ever asks: did he start speaking in tongues before or after being born again?
Before the Sinatra book came out, her subject tried to keep it from being printed by filing a lawsuit against her publisher. Her response was that if there was going to be a lawsuit, she'd be able(through lawyers, not literally) to question ol' BE in a deposition, which would contribute to her effort then in progress. It got published, and BE survived, while Kelley made a name for herself.
If she wasn't afraid of him, she's not going to be afraid of Bushco. That's going to work in our favor, folks.
She doesn't fit the "America-hating liberal" meme, because she does her own reporting, probably pays her informants well, and has been quiet about 'current events', and AFAIK, not of French descent.
George Bush is Gay.
I think, if the military finds out that you engaged in homosexual acts (even if you claim to be not Gay) you can be prevented from duty.
If George Bush found out that the military discovered his jock sniffing years and his appreciation of "the love which cannot reveal its name" when drunk, it would explain his AWOL in 1968.
Bob asked:
The one question no one ever asks: did he start speaking in tongues before or after being born again?
classic
Project Censored: U.S. Nuked Afghanistan
I enjoyed Kitty Kelley's books on Sinatra AND Nancy Reagan.
(I wonder if the people who do all the French-bashing have ever heard of a man named the Marquis de Lafayette? Nah, that would mean they'd have to read a history book - and Repugs can't read!)
It would not surprise me in the least if DUMBya and Jebbie swung both ways.
The most vociferous homophobes are the ones with their own "issues."
Take Rush - please! - there's a self-hating faggot if ever I saw one!
Two comments:
1) It makes me feel old that people can seriously ask "What's the difference between Kitty Kelly and Kevin Phillips?". Kitty Kelly could well be to anti-Bush books what Zell Miller is to Republican keynote speakers.
2) All Wiccans are witches, but not all witches are Wiccans -- unless Wicca is such a big tent that it encompasses the likes of Aleister Crowley, Madame Blavatsky, and Anton Szandor Levay. I wouldn't buy Babs as a Wiccan, but I can sure see her in some old-school Crowley-inspired mystic orgiastic ritual. Novus Ordo Seclorum, baby.
Less than slash. Aye, greater than. Close tag.
our tabloids arent going cover kelley. they all got monopolized by some bush supporter. for instance, there wasn't a word uttered by ahnuld's ass grabbing in the tabloids.
maybe the british tabs will pick it though.
I wouldn't worry about the word getting out -- it has. Kitty Kelley's book, which won't be released for another 9 days, is already #12 on Amazon.com's list of bestsellers (fiction and non-fiction combined list).
I can't wait to read this! I don't know whether I'll be more amused or horrified. I do know that my kids are already asking me why the Bush in Florida (on TV constantly with the hurricane news) sounds absolutely nothing like his older brother. They asked if the president is faking that "cowboy voice." Gee, little kids pick up on that right away.
I'm gonna be a little more pessimesstic about this. I don't think it will get any traction in the national media, because there's nothing anyone can do to make our national media criticize Bush and the Republicans.
How many books have been released this past year, and how many have been given media attention? Richard Clark's book was the only one, and in the land of the American Attention Span, that was a million years ago.
Seeing those Time and Newsweek polls, I have to admit I'm worried. There are enough stupid dumbfucks to follow anything the GOP tells them. And the media is in their pocket. A gossip book by Kitty Kelly won't change a damn thing.
I hear the Kelly book reprints the old rumour that Duyba jerked off in public to join his college fraternity. Which is true, because every member of the fraternity had to do so to join, and I look forward to the day that a member of Kerry's staff is connected to the 'Skull And Bones Masturbators For Truth' campaign.
Another member of the fraternity was Victor Ash, who is currently the Mayor of Knoxville, who is openly gay and who Bush is rumoured to have had a homosexual relationship with after leaving Yale.
With the Kelley book coming out at the same time as Sy Hersh's indictment of top Shrubbery, my fear is that they'll use her book to undermine his, as in, "These scandals are so completely over the top you cannot believe anything they say." Also, expect the standard excuses-- books timed for partisan advantage by embittered Bush haters who just want to make a profit, even if it undermines the war on terror.
Hersh is a frequent guest on Blitzer and may be invited back. Seems like he's also been on 60 Minutes, but maybe not. And Kitty K. is a natural for Larry King. Drudge will run her story, anything anyone will leak, but he'll spin it as an example of Dem depravity in an attempt to innoculate the coverage via pre-release spin.
Dumbo strikes me as the kind of fratboy who might have played in his youth, but remember also he's said that when 41 and 43 get together, what they talk about is "pussy." More likely topics will be alcohol and drug stories, arrests and abortions. What would be nice is if she can document wtf he was doing in Alaska-- flying?-- after the National Guard grounded him.
Combined with the new info on how the lush got into the guard and how he partied after being shipped off to Alabama, maybe something will stick to him at last and wipe that intolerable smirk off his face. But I wouldn't bet on it. Even now, they're no doubt planning to blame it all on the Clenis and finding a way to use whatever either book says to smear Kerry and Edwards.
Negativity turns people off and makes them dispair to vote at all. It turns off women in particular. The kind of negative bounce from Ziggy Zell's hysteria that some have gloated has finally reflected badly on Bushrove can as easily undercut the Nice Guys' forward-looking vision.
But one thing is for sure, both books WILL get attention and plenty of it. Whoever suggested a reading on Air America had a great idea. The press can try to ignore unauthorized scandal mongering, but it will continue to offset the gameplan and unsettle Beloved Leader's famously short temper in time for the debates. With luck, the next president will so fluster and enrage the tyrannical dauphin that we'll see a full meltdown on national television that goes well beyond sniping at a reporter who speaks French or who interrupts Beloved Leader in mid drivel.
Wouldn't it be great to have him so frustrated that he slipped into Miller mode because he could not just turn his back and stalk off?
I'll spot him a six pack.
It begins..."GEORGE W Bush snorted cocaine at Camp David, a new book claims...She quotes his former sister-in-law Sharon Bush who claims: 'Bush did coke at Camp David when his father was President, and not just once either.' Other acquaintances allege that as a 26-year-old National Guard, Bush 'liked to sneak out back for a joint or into the bathroom for a line of cocaine'...'He went out of his way to act crude. It's amazing someone you held in such low esteem later became president.'"
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