I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
frist
Same old lies.
NO!!!, no fuckn' way chimpy mcflight suit.
Positive vision for the future??? As JS would say, "Whaaaaa???" The only positive future is one that does not involve GWB.
And we all know why Bush doesn't want to focus on HIS past! Heh...
In place of debating Mr. Kerry, Bush suggested three rounds of paper, scisors, stone.
zell,
I hope not. Scalia will judge, and declare that rock beats everything...
The Bush record? That's SO 2004 dude... get over it! I for one am looking to the future that our AWOL in Chief is going to build as he runs on the platform of bringing honor, honesty, and action to the WH that has sorely lacked it these past few years... oops, got caught looking at the past there again! Damn!
Shorter Republicans
Move along nothing to see here
We have no past and what we have isn't any good -so don't look there
ps we will stop lying about Kerry
if you stop telling the truth about
Bush
No mulligans!
Ha ha, it's funny watching everyone here squirm as Kerry collapses.
So now the polls are bogus because they show Kerry smacked down?
Newsweek, baby. Out this afternoon:
Bush/Cheney receive 13-point margin bounce from convention.
Bush/Cheney lead Kerry/Edwards 54 to 43 percent.
Bush approval rating rises to 52 percent -- first time above 50 since January.
A majority (53%) wants to See Him re-elected, the highest since May 2003.
Like Duncan, you guys should just take the rest of the weekend off.
Maybe do a little windsurfing off Nantucket — that all-American recreational activity (like NASCAR — and "who among us doesn't like NASCAR?" in the immortal words of JFK) . . . .
.
Let's cut to the chase, folks...
Just ask W One. Simple. Question.
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Stark contrast in the pix shown on LA Times link --
Bubblehead (supposed to be looking heavenly, I guess) and Kerry genuinely listening to a bunch of kids who are clearly not old enough to vote yet.
Lockhart's good -- I hope he brings some good stuff to the campaign.
Past behavior is a reliable predictor of future conduct.
Pretty simple, really.
"It's almost like the president, with his boyish charm, is looking for a political do-over"
That's an effective way to infantilize the boy king.
Bush "is focused on his positive vision for the future
At least Schmidt admits that for the boy king, it's all about the boy king.
Tom Toles nails it with the GOP convention banner in his latest strip:
"We'll get it right this time, we promise."
John Kerry … is consumed with the past.
Um, is he talking about Kerry defending his record against the lies of a group of hateful old men?
"We'll get it right this time, we promise."
Except that it's more like: We'll continue to get it right this time, we promise. ::winkwink::
No admission of less than perfection.
Presidents, even pretend ones like you, deserting shitbag, don't get mulligans.
Get your worthless drunken fascist ass out of government housing, deserter.
There's this wonderful video from the Daily Show about how Bush should spin his achievements in the last four years, especially the "war or terra". It would be great if a buzz is created so everybody is talking about it.
http://homepage.mac.com/njenson/...ies/
dsbush.html
Enjoy it while you can cause Bush ain't gonna run away from his miserable failure of a record for long.
The Time poll methodology they used was rather odd.
In order to ensure that everyone in the household has an equal chance at being interviewed, we ask to speak with the youngest male, 18 years of age or older. If no male is available we ask to speak with the oldest female, 18 years of age or older. Asking this question helps to increase the level of chance and make sure that we speak with a diverse population.
Everybody knows if you poll predominately men you'll get a pro Bush sample. If they'd given preference to female voters they would have gotten a pro Kerry result.
We always were afraid Bush had his finger on the button--who knew it was the reset button? But just wait for the upgrade. Bush Presidency 2004: all new graphics, same shitty scenario.
Past behavior is a reliable predictor of future conduct.
Pretty simple, really.
dharma
Absolutely!
And insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
Is it true Bush knew about spies in the Pentagon since 2001?
Yikes!
OT: sorry off topic but I thought we'd all be glad to hear that after 3 years the sheriff's gonna get his man, just in time for the election too! amazing timing...
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/na...n%20Bin%
20Laden
In place of debating Mr. Kerry, Bush suggested three rounds of paper, scisors, stone.
Zell on Earth | Email | Homepage | 09.04.04 - 6:23 pm |
Actually, Bush is only willing to go TWO rounds.
Not exactly OT, pharoute.
Ever hear of tinyurl.com?
One of Roves tactics, and has been for the last 10 years is to accuse his opponents of doing exactly what he is doing. ONLY IN SPADES
So, they brand Kerry as 'negative' while at the same time putting out one of the most negative campaigns on record. These guys are the opposite of what they say. 'Bush is a uniter not a divider' ........'Bush will be the Environmental President'....'Clear Skys'...'Healty Forests'
If you want to know what these bastards are doing then you just have to listen to what they say, and then think the opposite.
As for the polls, well what a load of crap. When was the last time a presidential race was won by double digits? In 2000 they said that Bush was 20 points ahead, and he lost by 500,000 votes. Switch of the corporate media, they work for Bush.
Casper - It's well-known and oft-used, but that definition of insanity never fails to make me smile. I have a sudden strong desire to call every person I think may still be on the fence and say that to them. Heh.
New bumpersticker-
NO DO-OVERS!
I told you guys that Lockhart knows what he'd doing.
Bush -the worst is yet to come
and in words especially Bush can understand
no mulligan!
(upthread credit to Gary Frazier and Goldstone)
John Kerry … is consumed with the past
Yeah, he sure is. The past four years that Chimpy messed up.
No "Do-Over"
No Mulligan
No Born Again, Again
Mebbe the regime didn't name Osama bin laden during the convention because they want to bait the Kerry campaign into calling them out about OBL -- at which point they'll perp walk him through the Rose Garden.
Or maybe the regime just isn't serious about protecting the U.S. from terrorists.
The reality is, the fact they didn't name him during their convention is very telling with regard to whether there is an October surprise, or they are closing in or any of the other theories out there. Osama is their biggest liability and they know it.
my favorite part of this statement? "with his boyish charm." It's past time for people to start making great big gobs of fun of Bush's alleged "boyish charm." It's real charming to be drunk for years and years, sit in classrooms at Yale and spit tobacco juice in a cup, offer to go "mano a mano" with your father, and trash rent houses totally.
Talk about a flip flopper - Bush veers wildly between the Dada Presidency and the Ozzie Osbourne Presidency. With the Twinsies so recently let out of their cages, it is very much the Osbournes lately.
The administration that has been living in Sept 11, 2001 is accusing Kerry of living in the past?
Tena,
Yes, an oldie but a goodie. And it really gets right to the point here.
Almost as good is Jon Stewart's take on the Bush-Cheney campaign message:
We finally think we're getting the hang of this.
accusing a candidate of living in the past is the true sign that you are out of ideas
it's like saying, "we tried that before and it didn't work" when no one worked a single thing
the "boy king" and "boyish charm" are classic insults without being insulting and if it's repeated enough it will stick -- witness the swift boats
The Onion absolutely nailed this back in January (non-premium link):
Addressing guests at a $2,000-a-plate fundraiser, George W. Bush pledged Monday that, if re-elected in November, he and running mate Dick Cheney will "restore honor and dignity to the White House."
"After years of false statements and empty promises, it's time for big changes in Washington," Bush said. "We need a president who will finally stand up and fight against the lies and corruption. It's time to renew the faith the people once had in the White House. If elected, I pledge to usher in a new era of integrity inside the Oval Office."
Bush told the crowd that, if given the opportunity, he would work to reestablish the goodwill of the American people "from the very first hour of the very first day" of his second term.
"The people have spoken," Bush said. "They said they want change. They said it's time to clean up Washington. They're tired of politics as usual. They're tired of the pursuit of self-interest that has gripped Washington. They want to see an end to partisan bickering and closed-door decision-making. If I'm elected, I'll make sure that the American people can once again place their trust in the White House."
Bush said the soaring national debt and the lengthy war in Iraq have shaken Americans' faith in the highest levels of government.
"A credibility gap has opened between the Oval Office and America," Bush said. "The public hears talk, but they don't see any result. But if you choose me as your next president, the promises I make in my inaugural address will actually mean something. The president of this country will be held accountable for his promises, starting Jan. 20 of next year."
Bush said that, if chosen to be the next president, he would "set the nation on a course to a new, different, and brighter future."
"One thing is clear—it's time for a fresh beginning," Bush said. "Choose the ticket that leads to freedom, peace, and security. Choose Bush and Cheney."
I'm pledging to register 2 voters, 2 democratic voters, everytime either karen toodles or DP shows up.
So keep posting guys!
Atrios is the only blog from the commie side of the aisle that I have found who wished President Clinton a "get well soon"
Good for you
Please tell me it wasn't just a segway for you to bash the GOP with the phony AP "Boo" story/
Note; I checked about ten of the links on your sidebar- not a fucking peep - and i shit on all of them.
Damn - I remember that Onion piece. It was right on the money. And to think, my two greatest fears going into this week were that the Repugs would tie up the crazies and parade the moderates all week, and that Georgie would actually say something in his speech. LOL! Silly Tena.
Kerry has found his theme.
Now he needs to beat it with a sledgehammer. Bush wrapped himself in that mantle; he can't unwrap it now.
It's perfect. Proving, once again, this is Kerry's election to lose.
What more can we expect from Failed Policies George.
Atrios is the only blog from the commie side of the aisle that I have found who wished President Clinton a "get well soon"
What time warp is this guy caught in?
papercut - Go down to the Open Thread and peruse the comments. You will find there a link to an story about how Karen Hughes went ballistic on the reporter who first reported the whole thing as it happened.
Then go down the nearest sewer entrance and slither back in.
What more can we expect from Failed Policies George?
Surely former Preznit Clenis is resting easy tonight knowing that Papertiger is monitoring the leftwing of the blogosphere on his behalf.
Thanks, Papertiger. You're the best! What time do you go back out on patrol?
I've just been watching CBS Evening News political coverage today. At the rally in Pennsylvania, it looked like Bush had thousands cheering him. At his rally in Ohio, Kerry had hundreds. WHERE ARE THE UNIONS? After all the Democrats have done for them!
To obviate a possible October surprise, Kerry needs to remind voters that Bin Laden is irrelevant because 1. al Qaeda is cellularized and so does not need a central command structure to carry out terrorist acts and 2. once you kill the leaders there are plenty of people to replace them. The recent report that bin Laden is not nearly as wealthy as he was once estimated to be further suggests that he is more of a figurehead than a linchpin.
Over at Kevin Drum's blog for Washington Monthly, there is an interesting thread as to what the short, sweet talking point should be for the next 8 weeks.
The consensus, which I think is excellent, is Accountability.
Which goes to the heart of what has been discussed here before. Using some judo on Rove and attacking what is perceived as a strength of Bush's.
You bring up the horrible past four years, and you're accused of living in the past? What was the last four days in NYC about, if not living
on one particular day in the past (not Sept. 11, but Sept. 14th when Bush did a photo-op on top of a mass grave).
Bush is the CEO president. His contract is up for renewal. Do
you rehire him.
Jobs and the Deficit.
We were attacked on Sept. 11th, and he invaded the wrong country. The $200 billion spent on Iraq was $200 billion not spent on securing borders, ports, etc.
Accountability - you can never adjust to changing times if you never admit mistakes. You can fail an exam and give yourself an A - but you won't do any better on the next exam this way.
Al Quida never hits us the same way twice. How is Bush adapting, learning?
You know how he'll simplify the tax code - cut out any taxes for the ultra-rich!
America cannot afford to not hold our leaders accountable. Being president means getting things done. Bush says: results matter. the preseident always has the deciding vote. Iraq is no ones fault but his own. A man owns up to his erros, learns and moves on. A coward and a bully
never admits a mistake, and everything bad is someone elses fault.
When Sy Hersh's book comes out, the meme should be - This is what happens when no one is in charge! Is Bush in charge of Iraq? then he owns it. If he isn't, then what is he doing?
Sorry for the rambling rant.
Think about this David. Bush in '04 means Hillary in '08. If you don't believe it can happen, two words -Margaret Thatcher. Things will be so bad by '08 (like after Nixon) whatever Dem wins the primary, will win the election.
pull your head out and sniff
Rittenhouse Review
Pandagon
Daily Kos
TBogg
First Draft
corrente
Talk Left
The Hamster
Matthew Yglesias
Not a word for President Bill -
This is how you treat your own ? Woe be unto Kery when he gets steam rolled in November. The splatter he makes from this fall might even do in Ted
I've just been watching CBS Evening News political coverage today. At the rally in Pennsylvania, it looked like Bush had thousands cheering him. At his rally in Ohio, Kerry had hundreds. WHERE ARE THE UNIONS? After all the Democrats have done for them!
Thanks for noticing, notice. Do report back on the media's accounting of crowd size through November 2.
I'm pretty sure they said that Kerry and Edwards had tens of people greeting them in Ohio the other day.
"Steve Schmidt, a spokesman for the Bush campaign, said that while Bush "is focused on his positive vision for the future … John Kerry … is consumed with the past.""
WHAT?! Kerry has been talking about his plans for the future for the entire summer, while BushCo just now recycled their plans for the future.
Yeah and when Kerry was in Portland with a crowd of 40000 and some say more the story on my local NBC affiliate was Kerry riding on his bike through downtown Portland alone
so I believe nothing on television
Chickenshit Cheney and Little Bushie are going to promote a new book that they co-authored. It will detail their heroic behavior during the Vietnam War. It will be called 'Profiles in Chickenshit'. Zell Miller, the most bizarre of the lunatics at the Republican Convention, will do a foreword consisting of lots of made-up shit.
Not a word for President Bill -
This is how you treat your own ?
Contrary to what the past three years of republican rhetoric would have you believe, Clinton is no longer relevant because Clinton is not the president.
Not a word for President Bill -
How touching is a paper tiger's concern.
Heartbreaking, really.
I've just been watching CBS Evening News political coverage today. At the rally in Pennsylvania, it looked like Bush had thousands cheering him. At his rally in Ohio, Kerry had hundreds. WHERE ARE THE UNIONS? After all the Democrats have done for them!
Cro Magnon man was much the same as the neanderthal except for one marked difference.
Cro Magnon held funerals.
Neanderthal left their dead were they fell.
Atrios is the only blog from the commie side of the aisle...
Jesus Christ.
You're a sick bastard.
Why shouldn't Bush think that??
He's NEVER faced the consequences of ANY of his failures before- why should he start now?
THE
FUCKING
WORST
PRESIDENT.........EVER!!!!!!
Neanderthal left their dead were they fell.
Oops! Looks like someone is wishing the Clenis were dead.
Not a word for President Bill -
This is how you treat your own ? Woe be unto Kery when he gets steam rolled in November. The splatter he makes from this fall might even do in Ted
Shit, I didn't blog about it either. Know why? Because it's the fucking 21st century, and Clinton, who I'll note is no longer getting blow jobs in the WH, has a 98% chance of a full recovery. And guess what else: I didn't fucking boo Clinton, either. Now STFU and STFD, please.
if you want a second of reality, most folks I know were openly mocking bobo's speech the other night -- the whole "we're not turning back" thing really turned off the non-hardliners, and folks want to know how the candidates are going to pay for the programs proposed -- they aren't that stupid this go round and the electoral prospect looks real good for us this go round (key states with fundamental problems that surfaced in the last four years)
my two cents -- it isn't that bad and lockhart would have never joined were it not that he felt there was a serious shot of pulling this out
go read about lockhart: he isn't about losing that's for sure
quote: "Some of this comes from how you define strength. President Clinton got it right -- strength without wisdom does not make us safer, in fact it probably makes us less safe." another reoccurring theme for sure
The pictures are the story, Monica. Where are the union members in Ohio that should be at every Kerry rally? Why aren't they on camera? Do you know? Then please report back yourself.
Neanderthal left their dead were they fell.Papertiger-
Sir I know Neanterthals sir and you might be lucky to qualify for homo erectile difunction.
Neanderthal left their dead were they fell.
Actually, that's not true:
Researchers have found burial grounds of Neanderthal man dating to 60,000 BC with animal antlers on the body and flower fragments next to the corpse indicating some type of ritual and gifts of remembrance.
With no great psychological knowledge or custom to draw from, Neanderthal man instinctively buried their dead with ritual and ceremony.
Thanks for playing.
papertiger - Ummm ... you're a moron..
Atrios is the only blog from the commie side of the aisle that I have found who wished President Clinton a "get well soon"
Good for you
Please tell me it wasn't just a segway for you to bash the GOP with the phony AP "Boo" story/
The pictures are the story, Monica. Where are the union members in Ohio that should be at every Kerry rally? Why aren't they on camera? Do you know? Then please report back yourself.
I meant to say Homo erctus, maybe homo autoerotic, or Homo erectile disfunction. what the hell all apply.
Joe Lockhart on "This Week", tomorrow
The pictures are the story, Monica. Where are the union members in Ohio that should be at every Kerry rally? Why aren't they on camera? Do you know? Then please report back yourself.
So you missed all the pictures of Kerry out West amid a sea of real people, whilst Bush campaigned amid a piddling pond of sycophants and plants who took loyalty oaths?
go away notice .. actually i've heard about three major unions who are going to work telephone campaigns to get out the vote over the last 10 days in a form of scorched earth in the battlegrounds states
according to the GOP they'll stick to their plan of outsourced call centers to negotiate their own base
which view makes more sense? does that make me less patriotic? fuck off
Bush told a rally at a high school in Broadview Heights, Ohio.
Wow. Bush spoke to a handpicked audience at a high school.
Every time you make a Rovette Cry Baby Jesus smiles.
Kerry is gonna win.
Mr von Doom hits the nail on the head.
IMHO
The pictures are the story, Monica. Where are the union members in Ohio that should be at every Kerry rally? Why aren't they on camera? Do you know? Then please report back yourself.
Former campaign manager for Dukakis says "forthcoming book by Kitty Kelley raises questions about whether the president has practiced what he preaches on abortion."
Don't know how reliable this is.
papertiger - Ummm ... you're a moron..
But, see, dKos didn't bow down before Clinton and pledge to sacrifice his very cute firstborn to the Gods of the Quadruple Bypass to save Clinton's blessed soul. That's what wingers like paper d'toilet would do if the Angelic Bush were ever struck down by Divine Providence...
bobo wants a "do over" .. i wonder how many times that gets played out in the next few days
oughta be fun to watch now that the media will start pulling for the challenger now - they need their ratings in september and october and a hard and tough presidential race will keep the ratings soaring at CNN and MSNBC
Where are the union members in Ohio that should be at every Kerry rally?
Why?
It's Labor Day weekend. We have two months.
You're grasping. I like that.
this is on yahoo news right now:
U.S. Near Seizing bin Laden, Official Says
2 hours, 15 minutes ago
url is:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/
news...istan_bin_laden
they really wouldn't after every democrat said they were gonna do it. they really wouldn't would they?
Lockhart did indeed get it exactly right, but this is the point that scares me spitless: Just enough of the US voters might give Dub a second pass, as they did in 2000, to get him a second term.
This election is really about head (Dem.) vs. heart (Rep.). Bush is like those last few brownies in the fridge sitting right next to the Kerry veggies. We all know which is better for us, but many will still give in to the temptation and make the wrong pick in the middle of the night.
This time instead of adding to our lovehandles, the penalty of making the easy, but wrong pick will be far more serious.
victor, where were you when they ran this type of story in the past?
You're right, I'm just desperate for attention. And you're not.
they really wouldn't after every democrat said they were gonna do it. they really wouldn't would they?
victor
If they did, then I have to say that Bin Laden was a made up character and on the BFEE payroll.
victor - well, look what they pulled on the day of Kerry's acceptance speech.
After it had already been reported they were going to do it.
Don't misunderestimate the levels to which they will go. Deep sea explorers haven't even been that low.
Georgie-boy: I call upon all voters to do everything they can to give me a mulligan. Thank you. Now watch this drive!
more interesting insight from an old democrat pollster, name to remain nameless:
"Will it be the three, or is it four or five, drunken driving arrests that Bush and Cheney, the two most powerful men in the world, managed to rack up?
After Vietnam, nothing is ancient history, and Cheney is still drinking. What their records suggest is not only a serious problem with alcoholism, which Bush but not Cheney has acknowledged, but also an even more serious problem of judgment.
What if Bush were to fall off the wagon? Then what? Has America really faced the fact that we have an alcoholic as our president?
Or how about Dead Texans for Truth, highlighting those who served in Vietnam instead of the privileged draft-dodging president, and ended up as names on the wall instead of members of the Air National Guard.
Or maybe it will be Texas National Guardsmen for Truth, who can explain exactly what George W. Bush was doing while John Kerry was putting his life on the line. Perhaps with money on the table, or investigators on their trail, we will learn just what kind of wild and crazy things the president was doing while Kerry was saving a man's life, facing enemy fire and serving his country.
Or could it be George Bush's Former Female Friends for Truth. A forthcoming book by Kitty Kelley raises questions about whether the president has practiced what he preaches on abortion. As Larry Flynt discovered, a million dollars loosens lips. Are there others to be loosened?
Are you shocked? Remember Dukakis? Now he teaches at Northeastern University. John Kerry has been very fair in dealing with the Swift Boat charges. That's why so many of my Democrat friends have decided to stop talking to the campaign, and start putting money together independently."
Here comes the wave of shit that is coming home to roost; watch out rethugs, you just put some balls on the democrats!
this is on yahoo news right now:
U.S. Near Seizing bin Laden, Official Says
2 hours, 15 minutes ago
url is:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/
news...istan_bin_laden
they really wouldn't after every democrat said they were gonna do it. they really wouldn't would they?
"What I tell people, I would be surprised but not necessarily shocked if we wake up tomorrow and he's been caught along with all his lieutenants. That can happen because of the programs and infrastructure in place," he told Geo.
more bullshit
Where are the union members in Ohio that should be at every Kerry rally? Why aren't they on camera? Do you know? Then please report back yourself.
I notice that you posted that three times, notice. Hit OK with the fields blank and the thread will refresh without reposting your previous remarks.
I don't think union members have any more obligation to turn out than does any other citizen or any other consituency. Have you attended every rally that's been hosted in your state? Have any been hosted in your state? Have you done anything like the GOTV work that union members are doing?
In any event, I'm not concerned about turnout at campaign rallies. I do GOTV work in the hope of raising turnout on November 2nd.
And, to be back on topic, I am concerned that the regime is trying to take a mulligan -- on a shot that it cheated on to sink in the last tournament.
Jon Stewart said the same last night and he said it better and funnier -
New heights of douchebaggery! he hsaid referring to Pataki trying to lay the blame for 9/11 at Clinton's feet
OT saw Kerry pointing out that the 17.5% raise in medical premiums won't be paid for by Haliburton or Ken Lay - the crowd went nuts - Kerry is going to bring it!
Kitty Kelley wrote a very funny book about the British Royals.
She exposed their Nazi past, and degenerate present.
Maybe she'll repeat?
BTW, USA Today
http://tinyurl.com/44sxx
says Bush was informed about Israeli spies in the Pentagon since 2001.
How can this be? Does von Redrum know, I wonder?
The Repubs excel at creating a readily accessible caricature, like flip-flopper, and hammering it to death, complete with human flip-flops who dog Kerry wherever he goes. We need one of our own.
Edwards might have come up with an inspiration:
"John Edwards, Kerry's running mate, echoed Kerry's criticism of Friday's job-creation numbers.
"They're going to try every way they know to put lipstick on this pig," the North Carolina senator told cheering supporters at a rally in a Green Bay amusement park. "But … at the end of the day, it's still a pig."
Why not have a bunch of volunteers show up at Bush rallies dressed like Miss Piggy? She always thought she was special when in reality she was just, well, a pig.
U.S. Near Seizing bin Laden, Official Says
let them bring in Bin Laden; and guess what? terrorism no longer becomes the great issue and people begin to feel safer
bin Laden's capture eats the news for two or three days, and then people suddenly realize we have a campaign against a non-war preznut????
talk about fucked for bobo
Lockhart did indeed get it exactly right, but this is the point that
scares me spitless: Just enough of the US voters might give Dub a second pass, as they did in 2000, to get him a
second term.
The problem with this scenario, is that in 2000 we had a good economy a surplus, and george was reletivley unknown and people were comfortable taking achance that his advisors would keep him in check. That said he did not even win in the first place.
There may be a few fools that do as you say and choose the brownie, but I don't believe for a second that they would have pulled a lever for Kerry anyway.
KERRY IS GOING TO WIN AND BIG-
my story and I am sticking with it.
Bush's failure is inevitable.
Syntallic--
Voter suppression in the fundie community --don't forget about Lynn the closet Lesbian and soft core pornographer
syntallic - thanks for confirming what I had guessed at here a few days ago - a band of Democratic Elves. Except unlike the GOP Impeachment Elves, the Democratic Elves won't have to make things up. A Francis-sized shitstorm is headed W's way.
and just to add something, bush is not gonna have the benefit of any doubt this time around.
KERRY IS GOING TO WIN AND BIG-
my story and I am sticking with it.
Bush's failure is inevitable.
loudGizmo, I was gratified to hear the comments made by the UAW member this morning. She knows exactly what's going on, and so do the people with whom she works.
The people who are paying attention to the disastrous Bush policies are NOT going to vote for him. And people like this woman are making sure that the word is spread. I don't think that the town I live in has had a site set up for a dem campaign in a long time, but we have one this time, and I have already volunteered. We're all horrified and ready to boot this poor excuse for a man and president.
Bush is going to lose.
Has anyone noticed that the SCLM has stopped talking about the dead and wounded American soldiers in the past few months? I hope history will show what treasonous bastards these people were when we really needed them. I hope they can sleep at night knowing that they sold the country out to keep their bank accounts full.
The "political do-over" while cute and sassy, isn't really relevant. The Bush Administration has a long list of successes (in their own eyes), mostly in terms of environmental rollbacks, tax revisions, and weakening regulations.
All this other showy crap (i.e., war) is backfiring on them, but it was only one of many endeavors.
absolutely, mary
that's what all this stuff is about when attacking the delusional craziness about the bush family; soon enough it erodes at the fundie vote
if you recall in 2000, bobo almost lost this thing in the last few days when the allegations about drunk driving surfaced; and it was because of the fundies staying home
it's gonna get far uglier this go round because the dems know that this tactic worked once already
Bush is going to lose.
pie
Pie Rocks.
KERRY IS GOING TO WIN AND BIG-
my story and I am sticking with it.
Bush's failure is inevitable.
syntallic - I've been saying, too - people underestimate Kerry. He's known who and what George Bush is since they were both in their twenties. He spent his entire career in the Senate chasing down this same bunch of peoples' illegal activities. If anyone knows where the bodies are buried, it's Kerry. And Democrats are rising from their fucking graves to tell what they know about Georgie.
Sheeit - does the right really think that George kept any of it quiet back in the day? The man brags about shit - always has. Go back and look at what the people who knew him said - he always bragged about how much he drank and all the crap he was pulling. Chickens are coming home to roost by the flock. It's gonna be gruesome.
Tena
Word. Reading about the old ladies who volunteered for Blounts campaign, and their nickname for the little bastard was "Texas Souffle" "looks nice on the outside but full of hot air.
Kermit - I like this idea better, but can't figure out how to pull it off without injuring the protestors themselves: Pants. Burning pants. Maybe someone could rig up a metal effigy of Bushliar with gas lines and propane jets in the pants. Or something. Maybe we just need big posters or cutouts with pictures of Bush wearing burning pants. Couldn't that be photoshopped fairly easily?
Oh - and I really love the strength with wisdom theme. Great idea.
Bush is like a boxer who kicks his opponent in the balls, and then says if he's allowed to stay in the ring, he'll get the guy a band-aid.
The Bush Administration has a long list of successes (in their own eyes), mostly in terms of environmental rollbacks, tax revisions, and weakening regulations.
But they can't openly run on those "achievements" when among the general populace [that is, outside their bases of extremely wealthy and extremely socially conservative]. Tax revisions, maybe, but not the others.
And not health care, not jobs, etc.
This is really exactly what the Dems need to do. Competent and articulate people like Joe Lockhart make statements like this while Kerry does the "vision thing". Boyish is a good word to use .. sound "immature" and I think using "simple minded" would be great to. Simple minded ideas, simple minded beliefs .. Bush thinks the world is a simple place .. stuff like that.
tena - I've been saying, too - people underestimate Kerry
not to get too manchurian candidate with my admiration for the senator, I have met him several times and I've watched him for years
this guy knows where tons of bodies are buried; it scares rove to death and it keeps hughes and the chimp on Wild Turkey; make no mistake about it
this is REAL far from over and kerry is just starting to lay into him; before long the one-liners are going to get ugly, the rethugs will allege that Kerry is coming unglued, and in the end Kerry will be tapping into the voter anger that is out there
Dean understood this anger and it almost carried him to the convention - he just peaked too soon; kerry, on the other end, knew when it was time to close the deal, just as he knows it now
Oh - and I really love the strength with wisdom theme. Great idea.
It's perfect.
Has anyone noticed that the SCLM has stopped talking about the dead and wounded American soldiers in the past few months?
I think the nightly network news programs still run "Iraq Watch" -- or something similar -- segments.
But the media certainly don't consider Iraq a top news story these days.
What if Bush were to fall off the wagon? Then what?
A good case could be made that he already has. Have you seen the Daily Show clip on Bush's use of words? Then there's the ordering our military to attack a country that hadn't really done nothing. Who hasn't seen that bar scene?
Maybe he's not THAT stupid. Just drunk.
Bush leads us into a future that is not. It is a regurgitation of the past as the Boy King is stuck on "replay" and doesn't get it.
Anyone see Bill Maher last night? Really, what is with Andrew Sullivan? Why is he even considered credible? He sat and told the same old bullshit, decredited lies about Michael Moore and even when it was pointed out to him, he still continued with the lies. Would that Bill Maher have Moore and Sullivan on at the same time.
Oh, yeah, and Maher was brilliant when he ended by saying that using the largest fuck-up of all time, 9/11, as your main achievement is beyond the pale.
If this election goes to the Republicans, the blame can be dropped at the feet of the media and press. Their failure to examine and question either indicates a serious flaw in the profession or a willing collusion to aid and abet these folks. It may be a mute point one minute aftr the polls close, but in history, truth tends to finally makes itself known no matter how many times the facts are revised to fit the myth.
I compared Neanderthal man with Democrats, and as NTodd has pointed out, Neanderthals showed compassion for their fallen.
My appologies to the Neanderthals in the audience.
Pants. Burning pants. Maybe someone could rig up a metal effigy of Bushliar with gas lines and propane jets in the pants.
Jennifer
Jennifer,
Ben Cohen (of Ben & Jerry's) has a Pants on Fire website. Some images there, including a PantsOnFire-mobile.
they really wouldn't after every democrat said they were gonna do it. they really wouldn't would they?
heh.
"This is the 1089th day since 9/11/01, and we have 1148 days between 9/11/01 and Election Day '04. Therefore we must be 94.86% done with capturing Bin Laden. That's REALLY CLOSE."
do you believe everything you read?
No Mary Left Behind
You should no better than watching KGW News. Try KOIN, they are far more impartial. At least they covered Kerry's campaign and the 50,000 plus cheering people.
Ooooh, and something else we could do - set up Bush counter-rallies. Take your life-sized GW wearing burning pants cardboard cutout, set him up behind a microphone, and play a tape or CD burned with famous Bush lie soundbites.
Call it the "Pants on Fire" tour, have it pop up wherever he does and grab some local media attention. Wouldn't it be great if every local media story about a Bush rally was followed by a story about a bigger rally exposing his lies?
Ok, I know it will never happen. But I have to be able to dream.
kent - I have to say that it is a kind of tribute to the power of the Bushes that they have been able to hush up so much of Georgie's decidedly misspent youth until now. With the mouth that pissant has on him, I doubt that there are really many secrets that aren't known by more than a few people.
The only reason the Bushes ran Georgie is Laura. Bush is telling the truth about that being the best thing he ever did. In terms of his family and his standing there, Laura is the one. She is Babs reincarnate. Why do you think that Babs picked Laura for George?
So now the polls are bogus because they show Kerry smacked down?
Pardon the feeding, but David Patterson is revealing the new Republican talking points to go with the Time and Newsweek polls.
What is going to happen now is that the Repub talking points to the news media, at least in the short term and depending on how well it works, are going to be to declare the election over. Therefore, every time Kerry attacks Bush, it can be defined as an act of desperation, especially to the press, which of course, Wolf and Judy, et.al. will gladly repeat.
The Repubs probably hope Kerry will back down on certain types of attacks, especially now that the campaign can start in earnest, allowing them to continue to frame the debate. Even if that doesn't happen, they're hoping to at least have the press frame it as a "desperate" campaign.
I doubt Kerry will back down, just because of that, but who knows? He might have some of the same handlers as Gore had.
Also, I hear that there are going to be some news stories that are going to be very rough for Kerry campaign in the next two days.
The garbage throwing by Kelley and Hersh and others, and the publicity they get, might end up being incredibly critical in framing the debate and the campaign, more so than the issues could be, because it might reframe the debate once again, particularly for the press.
Jon Stewart last night, referencing Chris Mathews and Zell Miller:
(paraphrase) "It's come to this. If the someone in the media dares question the statements of a politician, they will threaten to kill you!
"Ok, I know it will never happen. But I have to be able to dream."
Jennifer
I think that Ben of Ben and Jerries is doing exactly that, I know he has something called a pants on fire tour going on complete with a propane assed Bush, not sure about a recording though. Ill check google.
KERRY IS GOING TO WIN AND BIG-
my story and I am sticking with it.
Bush's failure is inevitable.
Another possible caricature of Bush is that he is a buckpasser. Unlike Truman, he blames every one else and has never in his life faced the consequences of his screwups. His dad got him into the TANG. His dad's friends (the Saudis) bailed him out of his business failures. The CIA took the fall for his lies on Iraq. Our kids are dying for his foolish war and will pay for his reckless tax cuts.
He's a buckpasser.
I see Bullwinkle in a dopey football helmet.
Earlier today I was listening to ESPN radio. The host was speaking with a college football player who has said that he wants to attend law school and build a political career, ultimately wanting to run for Congress.
The host asked the athlete about youth interest in voting. The athlete said that interest is high this year, so far as he knows. The host asked who the athlete is going to vote for in the preznitial election. The athlete said, I'm going to vote for John Kerry. I'm a liberal Democrat in a place that doesn't have a lot of them. [I don't remember which school the athlete was from.]
The host said something like, don't be ashamed to be a liberal, and the athelete said, I'm not. No way. Then they went to a commercial.
It was an odd moment on ESPN radio because they usually stay pretty far clear of politics.
[Frickin' Phillies. Frickin' Leiter.]
I've just been watching CBS Evening News political coverage today. At the rally in Pennsylvania, it looked like Bush had thousands cheering him. At his rally in Ohio, Kerry had hundreds. WHERE ARE THE UNIONS? After all the Democrats have done for them!
i just got back from the kerry rally in steubenville, OH. i couldn't get anywhere near the stage because the place was packed with steelworkers, mineworkers, seiu, afscme. thousands and thousands of 'em. working people, some of them literally weeping from hope. even the protesters (you didn't see any of them at W's rally, did ya?) were caught up in the positive message.
meanwhile, a boy in cleveland at the "ask the president" rally asks george if he likes broccoli better than his dad did. i guess that's why you are so enamored with the shrub. clear-cut issues. stay the course. economy in great shape.
hey, it's almost 8:00. don't you have a deMolay meeting to go to?
Tena, I can't email you because I'm a techno-boob and can't configure my email properly, but you're right on. Kerry has to know what skeletons lurk in whose closets after all those years investigating BCCI, and Shrub's never been the modest one. I still think Kerry's experience and decades of pent-up disgust at the Bush family arrogance can easily add up to a win...IF we're vigilant. If not, those of us who are females of childbearing age better think about either tubal ligation or the next flight out of the country.
Maybe he's not THAT stupid. Just drunk.
numbby
There's a guy I work with who's always drinking something like gin because it doesn't have an aroma thinking nobody knows. He never appears drunk but you can tell he's drinking because he has that alcohol after-burner breath.
Jennifer, Kent:
See my upthread comment with links.
Pant's on Fire tour
there it is
KERRY IS GOING TO WIN AND BIG-
my story and I am sticking with it.
Bush's failure is inevitable.
AD:
PICTURE: of dead/wounded Iraqi civilians, including women and children.
VOICE: The President says we're safer now because we're fighting terror there so we don't have to fight it here.
PICTURE: Pissed off Iraqi teenage boy with AK 47 rifle.
VOICE: Wanna bet? How would you feel if someone wiped out your family.
Also, I hear that there are going to be some news stories that are going to be very rough for Kerry campaign in the next two days.
Like what?
This election is really about head (Dem.) vs. heart (Rep.). Bush is like those last few brownies in the fridge sitting right next to the Kerry veggies. We all know which is better for us, but many will still give in to the temptation and make the wrong pick in the middle of the night.
loudGizmo
Granted I am out of touch with The Real America, but I can't imagine anyone who is not filthy rich, a religious fanatic or a member of the Saudi Royal Family (or some combination of the above) even being tempted to vote for Bush. The guy is an incompetent asshole, and I would be happy to give back my $300 tax rebate in exchange for Al Gore as president.
Bush is like a boxer who kicks his opponent in the balls, and then says if he's allowed to stay in the ring, he'll get the guy a band-aid.
That's so Bush. My favorite is his support of branding frat pledges:
Amazingly, Bush, now the governor of Texas, defended the illegal torture of the young fraternity pledges at the time as a harmless prank-insisting that it was comparable to "only a cigarette burn" which left "no scarring mark physically or mentally."
http://www.motherjones.com/cgi-
b...5PoO.0@.ee9cb05
All those solid Kerry states with their poll information from July.
There's Delaware still using the poll from the Bush/Gore election.
I wonder what is really going on?
re successes they can't talk about, I 100% agree. The people who think these are good things already know about them.
But doesn't it also mean that Kerry needs to be pushing these tidbits? That's its not enough to simply call Bush incompetent? Unfortunately these are two mutually exclusive scripts. Joe Lockhart's do-over comment suggests which one they've chosen.
She is Babs reincarnate. Why do you think that Babs picked Laura for George?
Tena
GEORGES MOMMY picked his WIFEY HA HA HA
No shit Tena, You can't have that crooked eye and a face that looks like Jack Nicholson playing the Joker and not be Bat shit EVIL. Bar is a piece of work isn't she.
KERRY IS GOING TO WIN AND BIG-
my story and I am sticking with it.
Bush's failure is inevitable.
The Bush Administration has a long list of successes (in their own eyes), mostly in terms of environmental rollbacks, tax revisions, and weakening regulations.
I love the bald revelation of who's really running this administration with the "frivolous lawsuits" issue. They never failed to throw that one in there. And I imagine it never fails to leave many of those small-town red-staters scratching their heads.
…to the barricades with that one. And don't forget "rising home ownership.”
The administration is doomed. Boy King ain’t no Prince Hal in the end, no matter what they thought of Bush’s convention speech last week. Because his cause simply isn’t just. It’s bullshit.
There's a guy I work with who's always drinking something like gin because it doesn't have an aroma thinking nobody knows.
Incognito
Prolly vodka. It's an article of faith among hardcore boozers that vodka is undetectable.
monica_nyc - The Repugs think that the internet is a toy. They think college kids won't get up out of bed a vote. They don't understand that they have generated the biggest political movement I've ever seen - ours.
"I've just been watching CBS Evening News political coverage today. At the rally in Pennsylvania, it looked like Bush had thousands cheering him. At his rally in Ohio, Kerry had hundreds."
-Dumbass Troll
Gee, Dumbass Troll, Kerry just came to WA state and spoke to 20k people in Tacoma alone last weekend.
Bush, OTOH, has only come to WA to address private fundraisers in Medina (Bill Gates' neighborhood).
WA has one of the highest unemployment rates in the nation, and King County where Boeing, Microsoft, and Starbucks reside is the most trade-dependent county in the United States. Boeing Commerical Airplane has been decimated since 9/11, shedding 30k jobs in our state alone. Microsoft is now outsourcing workers to India.
Bush has NEVER come here to speak publicly to spread his message of "hope" and "economic optimism". Why do you think that is?
BECAUSE HE FUCKING SUCKS, he's a pussy, and he doesn't give a shit about the average American, that's why.
Hope that clears things up for ya.
But doesn't it also mean that Kerry needs to be pushing these tidbits? That's its not enough to simply call Bush incompetent? Unfortunately these are two mutually exclusive scripts. Joe Lockhart's do-over comment suggests which one they've chosen.
I think the campaign is doing both. Kerry was out there today talking about the hike in Medicare prices that will take effect next year, for example, and Lockhart and Edwards were out there framing the boy king as Bart Simpson with his finger on the red button.
I didn't do it!
"hey, it's almost 8:00. don't you have a deMolay meeting to go to?"
hart
Hart yer killin me stop LOL
KERRY IS GOING TO WIN AND BIG-
my story and I am sticking with it.
Bush's failure is inevitable.
"Don't know how reliable this is.
aReader"
Reader, this has been out there as a rumor since Larry Flynt got involved in outing politicians as hypocrites. He was rumored to have gotten this woman to go on record about her abortion with GWB, but I haven't read his new book, so I don't know for sure.
In addition, when Neil Bush's wife Sharon filed for divorce from him ('those girls at my door were hookers?'), his lawyer initially offered her $1,000 per month, a paltry sum by their standard of wealth. Then it was reported that she was cooperating with Kitty Kelly on this new book, and magically, the settlement changed. Vanity Fair interviewed Sharon Bush a few months ago, but I don't remember her saying she was still cooperating or not. I'm guessing not, given how nasty the family is. fwiw.
Casper & kent, thanks for the info. But why the hell isn't this being used as a coordinated media strategy? Plan on sending these things wherever we know Bush is going to be campaigning, and draw ralliers from MoveOn, DFA, unions, etc - turn out bigger numbers than the few select that get into W's carefully screened crowds, and get local media there.
BTW, does anyone know if ordinary folks are being let into Bush rallies now, you know, now that we're all paying for them? If not, there needs to be noise made about it by Kerry and/or surrogates, about how this employee of the people, who are paying for his campaign to keep his job, refuses to allow his employers to interview him. Same thing about the attempt to weasel out of the debate.
Ah, yes, vodka. The drink of the Twinsies. How many bottles of vodka did those clubs say the Twinsies and their retinue drank the other night? I know I was actually taken all aback - it was a large number.
Amazingly, Bush, now the governor of Texas, defended the illegal torture of the young fraternity pledges at the time as a harmless prank-insisting that it was comparable to "only a cigarette burn" which left "no scarring mark physically or mentally."
That's not true. I have little round scars all over my body and face from my ma for eating my boogers all the time.
Amazingly, Bush, now the governor of Texas, defended the illegal torture of the young fraternity pledges at the time as a harmless prank-insisting that it was comparable to "only a cigarette burn" which left "no scarring mark physically or mentally."
That's not true. I have little round scars all over my body and face from my ma for eating my boogers all the time.
Another possible caricature of Bush is that he is a buckpasser. Unlike Truman, he blames every one else and has never in his life faced the consequences of his screwups.
Bingo, Newton!
The Repugs think that the internet is a toy. They think college kids won't get up out of bed a vote.
Tena, I think the regime uses the Dean campaign as an object lesson regarding Internet outreach -- as does the Kerry campaign. But its' not clear that the two sides have taken the same meaning from Dean's campaign.
As for the youth vote, though, the regime is going after it hard.
lets stick with Kerry - don't panic now - some expose's are coming out - Kerry will turn this around - we need your help -
Please forgive my presumption, as a foreigner, in lecturing Americans about their own election.
This election is starting now, not ending. Up in Canada our whole elections are six weeks long. A week in politics is an eternity.
But here's what I really want to say. This election is not the war. This is one battle in what looks like a really long war over the future of America.
The issue: will America become a fascist state?
For those who protest the name I would say that a fairly standard definition of Fascism is as follows: a system of governance characterized by close coordination between national and corporate interests; extreme nationalism involving the identification of one or more external threats; the identification of one or more internal threats such as socialists and homosexuals; the evolution of a 'cult of the leader' and the subsequent association of any dissent from him with treason against the state; and the hearkening back to a 'Golden Age' in the past, when the national values were supreme. Inevitably, enhanced police powers are also a policy of fascist administrations.
I think it has become pretty darn clear that these guys aren't kidding around. That convention sent a clear message, and the apparent fact that there was a bounce (exaggerated perhaps, by the media, but probably real) is not good news for freedom in America.
I like what I've seen of Kerry. He seems an honest, courageous man. But if he should win this election, the war won't even be close to over.
You guys have your work cut out for you, but I'd remind you of two things. First, the bastards always go too far. Not a single fascist regime has lasted. And second, you have friends everywhere. Courage.
monica_nyc
They might be talking about this pseudo-documentary that's supposed to air on TV sometime. Stolen Honor I haven't looked into it yet. Someone posted a link to it early this morning. I wouldn't be surprised if it's connected to the SBVT or even the Bushco campaign.
I don't support this crap, this is just a heads-up.
Grrrr I screwed that one up.
note to self: If you're going to post as a troll, remove your regular posting name.
ARAAGGGGHH!!
BTW, does anyone know if ordinary folks are being let into Bush rallies now, you know, now that we're all paying for them?
I pump out a new "Loyalty oath related campaign program activities" post about once a week on me blog, and tell anyone who will listen. Don't expect to hear about it from CRAP (Corporate run american media)though.
Personally as much as it galls me that I am paying for these events, they are only about workin the base. Sane people recognise a dog and pony show when they see it. I think it is one of Roves less intelligent moves myself.
KERRY IS GOING TO WIN AND BIG-
my story and I am sticking with it.
bush IS GOING DOWN IN FLAMES.
I think I'll just slink off in shame, now......
"lets stick with Kerry - don't panic now - some expose's are coming out - Kerry will turn this around - we need your help -"
wf2nmo
Is this the type of shit Karl's paying for and dispatching out here?
hoary --
I live in Northern California
so it was the local NBGOP
was a large number.
Tena-
I read that one night it was 4000 buck and was eventually comped, and they left a 48 dollar tip.
KERRY IS GOING TO WIN AND BIG-
my story and I am sticking with it.
bush IS GOING DOWN IN FLAMES.
Don't panic people.
The Repugs think that the internet is a toy. They think college kids won't get up out of bed a vote. They don't understand that they have generated the biggest political movement I've ever seen - ours.
They ignore us in public, but they pay plenty of trolls to harass us, Tena.
If they steal this $election, watch Ashcroft do his best to shut the progressive blogsphere down.
Forgot about the time Bush appeared before the press with a very red nose.
I wish everybody would stop writing that Kerry is going to win based on what you think other people think. "Other people" don't even know what the hell is going on to even think about it. We do because we're following closely but they're not. I bet at least 20% of Americans don't even know there's a fucking election in two months.
Ah, yes, vodka. The drink of the Twinsies. How many bottles of vodka did those clubs say the Twinsies and their retinue drank the other night? I know I was actually taken all aback - it was a large number.
Tena
All alkies eventually end up with vodka as their drink of choice. It's a real red flag, although I understand it's also kind of hip and trendy at the moment. I had a sip of someone's vanilla vodka martini a while back. Blecch. Made me glad I don't drink.
I think I'll just slink off in shame, now......
Incognito
That was some highlarious troll attemptin incog. ROTFLMAO
KERRY IS GOING TO WIN AND BIG-
my story and I am sticking with it.
bush IS GOING DOWN IN FLAMES.
Incog
Thanks for the booger-eating visual. I hope for your sake the cigarette burn thing is just your twisted sense of humor. If not, my deepest apologies.
Finny - no offense taken, it's actually been pretty clear what these guys have been up to since before the 2000 election. Only those who weren't paying attention or really thinking about what they were seeing and hearing could have thought there was little difference between Bush and Gore. The unprecedented amount thrown behind Bush by big money and corporate America, the flaunting of the decision not to abide by spending limits to get matching funds (both intended to effect a coronation), and the fact that Bush was so clearly manifestly unfit for the office all said the same thing - puppet government, and worse yet, no longer any attempt to hide the fact that it is a puppet government.
I of course had no foreknowledge of what would happen on 9/11 and how these people would use it, but I sent a prescient email to a political pal on election night 2000, when networks were calling it for Bush:
"Apres moi, le deluge."
And I still find it quite apt.
Is this the type of shit Karl's paying for and dispatching out here?
Stinky,
Down in the boiler room, Karl calls this the "discourage and despair" phase of operations. Too bad it isn't working.
- Atrios the commie side of the aisle?
Well then, all I can say is Hello Comrads!!!
I wonder why a paper tiger fascist bothers to troll outside his stalag.
By the by, newsflash - Clinton was actually voted into office and is beloved worldwide and knows that we all love him and wish him well, whereas your uberfuhrer puppet and puppeteers bath in the blood and contempt of all who view them, both domestic and foreign and wish so badly to be liked.
See, your kindergarten teacher was correct when she told you to be nice to your neighbor and share. Now you and your reichstag friends will have to go on TIME OUT!
I live in Northern California
so it was the local NBGOP
In that case, I'm surprised they covered it at all.
Wish we could have a do-over for the Democratic primaries.
BTW, re the Washington State Kerry rally last weekend, every news report I read of it cited 20K attendees, except for Jodi Wilgoren (NYT), who cited 10K people.
"Other people" don't even know what the hell is going on to even think about it.
Sure they do. "Other people" are having trouble finding jobs, making rent, paying medial bills, getting health care. Other people are effected by federal government policies just as much as we are.
If "other people" aren't making a direct connection between policies and their lives, someone needs to suggest that they consider doing so. The media isn't going to do that. Who does that leave?
But if he should win this election, the war won't even be close to over. You guys have your work cut out for you, but I'd remind you of two things. First, the bastards always go too far. Not a single fascist regime has lasted. And second, you have friends everywhere. Courage.
Very useful reminders. Thanks, Finny.
Thanks for the booger-eating visual. I hope for your sake the cigarette burn thing is just your twisted sense of humor. If not, my deepest apologies.
hoary cripple
Nope, mom has always been the best.
"Down in the boiler room, Karl calls this the "discourage and despair" phase of operations. Too bad it isn't working."
I guess they're just hoping if they hire enough monkeys to throw their shit at a wall, one of them might eventually make something that looks like a picture.
Wish we could have a do-over for the Democratic primaries.
salt
Yeah, I sure wish Nader was the nominee instead of that fascist Kerry.
There's a guy I work with who's always drinking something like gin because it doesn't have an aroma thinking nobody knows. He never appears drunk but you can tell he's drinking because he has that alcohol after-burner breath.
Had a guy working for me a couple of years ago who showed up three sheets to the wind every. freaking. morning. I think they passed him off on me because I was the only one who could get any useful work out of him (he wrote better code drunk than a lot of people do sober). I didn't have hire/fire authority, so I figured what the hell, as long as his code runs I'll use him.
Anyway, about a month after he quit showing up they finally got around to firing him. Between the HR people and the lawyers, they had trouble figuring out how to do it.
[I don't remember which school the athlete was from.]
Wake Forest, I think, but I'm a little drunk.
I compared Neanderthal man with Democrats, and as NTodd has pointed out, Neanderthals showed compassion for their fallen.
My appologies to the Neanderthals in the audience.
Fuck you. You apparently missed our mourning for the 1100+ dead US soldiers in Bush's wars, not to mention our compassion for the ~7000 maimed veterans whom Bush has created. It's you bastards who cut vets health benefits and combat, extend our troops' tours, and put them in harms' way who don't give a shit about throwing away life. Neaderthals were smarter than you...
KERRY IS GOING TO WIN AND BIG-
my story and I am sticking with it.
bush IS GOING DOWN IN FLAMES.
kent
MORE Polling on the John effin Kerry meltdown;
SurveyUSA: Momentum Shifts to Bush; Big GOP Bounce After RNC Convention
VERONA, N.J.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Sept. 3, 2004--The number of Americans who think George W. Bush will be re-elected in November has suddenly jumped 10 to 20 points in dozens of cities around the country, according to SurveyUSA tracking polls conducted before, during and after the Democratic and Republican National Conventions.
SurveyUSA has been asking respondents not who they will vote for, but rather: who they think will win the presidential election in November. This question is more sensitive to changes in sentiment, and is designed to capture "momentum" swings more precisely than preference questions asked of likely voters. Tracking polls released today, 9/3/04, the day after the Republican National Convention ended, show sizeable swings in the public consciousness.
Examples:
-- In New York City, the number of adults who say Bush will win jumped from 39% on 7/22 (the week before the DNC) to 58% today: 19 points up for Bush, 17 points down for Kerry.
-- In Los Angeles, the number who say Bush will win jumped from 38% on 7/22 to 59% today: 21 points up for Bush, 18 points down for Kerry.
-- In Pittsburgh, Bush went from 44% to 64%: 20 points up for Bush, 19 points down for Kerry.
Each poll was conducted of an entire metropolitan area, known as a TV market, and defined by Nielsen Media Research as the "Designated Market Area" (DMA). In no metropolitan area, in any part of the country, did Kerry's numbers go up. Four separate polls of 500 adults each were conducted in 30 TV markets and in 2 states. (128 discrete pieces of opinion research; 64,000 separate telephone interviews.) Each survey has a sampling error of plus or minus 4.5%.
The polls were conducted:
-- 7/22/04: The week before the DNC
-- 7/30/04: The day after Kerry's acceptance speech
-- 8/26/04: The week before the RNC
-- 9/3/04: The day after Bush's acceptance speech.
"The Democrats are eviscerated," says Jay H. Leve, Editor of SurveyUSA. "Even in the most solidly Democratic corners of this country, a majority of adults suddenly believe that George W. Bush will win in November."
:o)
Anyway, about a month after he quit showing up they finally got around to firing him. Between the HR people and the lawyers, they had trouble figuring out how to do it.
Jack Daniel
What was the problem? I'd say not showing up for work for a month is a legitimate reason for termination.
Link for the above; http://home.businesswire.com/por...355&
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Another possible caricature of Bush is that he is a buckpasser. Unlike Truman, he blames every one else and has never in his life faced the consequences of his screwups. His dad got him into the TANG. His dad's friends (the Saudis) bailed him out of his business failures. The CIA took the fall for his lies on Iraq. Our kids are dying for his foolish war and will pay for his reckless tax cuts.
He's a buckpasser.
I see Bullwinkle in a dopey football helmet.
Newton Minnow | Email | Homepage | 09.04.04 - 7:45 pm | #
Earlier today I was listening to ESPN radio. The host was speaking with a college football player who has said that he wants to attend law school and build a political career, ultimately wanting to run for Congress.
The host asked the athlete about youth interest in voting. The athlete said that interest is high this year, so far as he knows. The host asked who the athlete is going to vote for in the preznitial election. The athlete said, I'm going to vote for John Kerry. I'm a liberal Democrat in a place that doesn't have a lot of them. [I don't remember which school the athlete was from.]
The host said something like, don't be ashamed to be a liberal, and the athelete said, I'm not. No way. Then they went to a commercial.
It was an odd moment on ESPN radio because they usually stay pretty far clear of politics.
[Frickin' Phillies. Frickin' Leiter.]
monica_nyc | Email | Homepage | 09.04.04 - 7:45 pm | #
I've just been watching CBS Evening News political coverage today. At the rally in Pennsylvania, it looked like Bush had thousands cheering him. At his rally in Ohio, Kerry had hundreds. WHERE ARE THE UNIONS? After all the Democrats have done for them!
i just got back from the kerry rally in steubenville, OH. i couldn't get anywhere near the stage because the place was packed with steelworkers, mineworkers, seiu, afscme. thousands and thousands of 'em. working people, some of them literally weeping from hope. even the protesters (you didn't see any of them at W's rally, did ya?) were caught up in the positive message.
meanwhile, a boy in cleveland at the "ask the president" rally asks george if he likes broccoli better than his dad did. i guess that's why you are so enamored with the shrub. clear-cut issues. stay the course. economy in great shape.
hey, it's almost 8:00. don't you have a deMolay meeting to go to?
hart | Email | Homepage | 09.04.04 - 7:46 pm | #
Tena, I can't email you because I'm a techno-boob and can't configure my email properly, but you're right on. Kerry has to know what skeletons lurk in whose closets after all those years investigating BCCI, and Shrub's never been the modest one. I still think Kerry's experience and decades of pent-up disgust at the Bush family arrogance can easily add up to a win...IF we're vigilant. If not, those of us who are females of childbearing age better think about either tubal ligation or the next flight out of
kent - I know the Bush "rallies" are only for the benefit of the true believers. But you know, most people find arrogance galling, which is why our side needs to be pointing out the arrogance of an employee refusing to consent to an audience with those of his employers who do not approve of his job performance. Don't you know most ordinary working joes would love to be able to get away with flipping off the boss with impunity at their $7 an hour job? And here's this guy who's supposed to be working for them, pulling down a cool $400K a year while taking 40% of the time in vacation, and he's flipping them the bird - while spending even more of thier money on a campaign to keep his job.
Lots of times these kinds of little things can be turned into real hot buttons. Shit, if we know anything from watching these brownshirts, we should know this.
Not to bring everyone down, but last night I had a nightmare. The polls were closing on Nov 2 and every state east of Colorado was bright red. It was like we were standing on a mountain top and could see the whole country, and it was a deep red like it was on fire.
It was almost as bad as the nightmare I had last week where I was getting interviewed by Rush Limbaugh. I'm beginning to think I need a break from politics. I'm praying Kerry will give it to me!
I wish everybody would stop writing that Kerry is going to win
Incognito
Why? The fuckin pubs have a swagger of invincibility. Thats something I think we need to own. I'm not sayin the game is over, but in my mind there is no freakin way that bush is getting more votes than last time around. I think it is our duty to Stand tall and embrace the fact. I could worry about diebold and the fact that these guys are the biggest criminals in the history of the nation, but I don't think they can pull off a massive fraud and not get caught. Sure I'll keep me ear to the ground listening for the sound of Jackboots, and have a passport handy, but I am no longer gonna fret over that which i cannot control, and so I am choosing to be exuberantly confident.
I spent the first 2.5 years of this maladministration in a funk big as the grand canyon. Not gonna spend the last 4.5 months that way. So I am gonna keep the stupid ass sig and variations
as they come around. The only thing to fear is fear itself. Just wait, there are gonna be 3-5 million more voters this time around and they aint for bush.
Damn I wish I could buy you a drink.
YEEHaaa
KERRY IS GOING TO WIN AND BIG-
my story and I am sticking with it.
bush IS GOING DOWN IN FLAMES.
Like I was saying, Karl must figure if they dispatch enough of their RNC monkeys to throw shit at the wall, one of them might make something resembling a picture.
I had a warning what was coming back in 98 and 99 because I'm gay. Most of us knew Bush was bad news and we were screaming our heads off but nobody was listening. Voter appathy was awful and maddening--still is but not nearly as bad as 00. I wished they would have listened to me back then. It broke our hearts when Bush stole the election and Gore conceded. We knew then that the gay rights movement had ended on the federal level but were optimistic about the states then. He turned out much worse than I could have imagined on many other fronts we are concerned about and now many others are, also.
Finny - no offense taken, it's actually been pretty clear what these guys have been up to since before the 2000 election. Only those who weren't paying attention or really thinking about what they were seeing and hearing could have thought there was little difference between Bush and Gore. The unprecedented amount thrown behind Bush by big money and corporate America, the flaunting of the decision not to abide by spending limits to get matching funds (both intended to effect a coronation), and the fact that Bush was so clearly manifestly unfit for the office all said the same thing - puppet government, and worse yet, no longer any attempt to hide the fact that it is a puppet government.
I of course had no foreknowledge of what would happen on 9/11 and how these people would use it, but I sent a prescient email to a political pal on election night 2000, when networks were calling it for Bush:
"Apres moi, le deluge."
And I still find it quite apt.
Jennifer | Email | Homepage | 09.04.04 - 8:06 pm | #
Is this the type of shit Karl's paying for and dispatching out here?
Stinky,
Down in the boiler room, Karl calls this the "discourage and despair" phase of operations. Too bad it isn't working.
dharma | Email | Homepage | 09.04.04 - 8:07 pm | #
- Atrios the commie side of the aisle?
Well then, all I can say is Hello Comrads!!!
I wonder why a paper tiger fascist bothers to troll outside his stalag.
By the by, newsflash - Clinton was actually voted into office and is beloved worldwide and knows that we all love him and wish him well, whereas your uberfuhrer puppet and puppeteers bath in the blood and contempt of all who view them, both domestic and foreign and wish so badly to be liked.
See, your kindergarten teacher was correct when she told you to be nice to your neighbor and share. Now you and your reichstag friends will have to go on TIME OUT!
AtriosMarxist | Email | Homepage | 09.04.04 - 8:08 pm | #
I live in Northern California
so it was the local NBGOP
In that case, I'm surprised they covered it at all.
hoary cripple | Email | Homepage | 09.04.04 - 8:09 pm | #
Four years ago, more voters chose Al Gore. Today, many claim Bush has the advantage. Do people really think that the majority of voters are so impressed with Bush's leadership that they are now going to vote for him? This would be absolutely remarkable turn of event.
By sticking with Kerry we are hurting the Democratic party.
-- In New York City, the number of adults who say Bush will win jumped from 39% on 7/22 (the week before the DNC) to 58% today: 19 points up for Bush, 17 points down for Kerry.
Yeah. The boy king is gonna take New York. He just needs to spend some money here to ensure his success. Whatever is left over he should spend in California.
Wake Forest, I think, but I'm a little drunk.
I think you're right. But, it's true. I've been drinking too: Lagavulin 16, which my girlfriend brought over to toast the end of summer.
note to self: If you're going to post as a troll, remove your regular posting name.
ROFL!
Dude, next time accuse yourself of being a name stealing troll. I was almost ready to jump to your defense myself.
And it wasn't just on the human-rights issue we knew Bush was bad news. When you started studying the guy and those around him you learned all about his stealth agenda which includes ending choice and installing a Theocracy et al.
Bad news.
By sticking with Kerry we are hurting the Democratic party.
vote Nader. The only true man.
bush is still saying this:
September 4, 2004
Remarks by the President at "ask President Bush" Event
Brecksville-Broadview Heights, Ohio
...
He said, oh, don't worry, we'll just tax the rich. You've heard that before, haven't you? You know what that means, just tax the rich. First of all, you can't tax the rich enough to pay for $2 trillion of new spending. Second of all, the rich hire accountants for a reason. (Applause.) He's not going to be taxing anybody in '05, because he's not going to win. We're going to win Ohio and we're going to win the country. (Applause.)
Why won't the "liberal" media ask for clarification? Like what is the reason the rich hire accountants? Also, if the rich hire accountants and don't pay taxes why did most of the last 3 tax cuts go to the wealthiest 1%? Do bush and cheney hire accountants that figure out ways for them not to pay taxes? And so many more questions.
Positive vision for the future??? As JS would say, "Whaaaaa???" The only positive future is one that does not involve GWB.
And we all know why Bush doesn't want to focus on HIS past! Heh...
Charlotte Smith (nee Beavers) | Email | Homepage | 09.04.04 - 6:22 pm | #
In place of debating Mr. Kerry, Bush suggested three rounds of paper, scisors, stone.
Zell on Earth | Email | Homepage | 09.04.04 - 6:23 pm | #
zell,
I hope not. Scalia will judge, and declare that rock beats everything...
Atrios | Email | Homepage | 09.04.04 - 6:23 pm | #
The Bush record? That's SO 2004 dude... get over it! I for one am looking to the future that our AWOL in Chief is going to build as he runs on the platform of bringing honor, honesty, and action to the WH that has sorely lacked it these past few years... oops, got caught looking at the past there again! Damn!
QrazyQat | Email | Homepage | 09.04.04 - 6:25 pm | #
Shorter Republicans
Move along nothing to see here
We have no past and what we have isn't any good -so don't look there
ps we will stop lying about Kerry
if you stop telling the truth about
Bush
No Mary Left Behind | Email | Homepage | 09.04.04 - 6:26 pm | #
No mulligans!
goldstone | Email | Homepage | 09.04.04 - 6:26 pm | #
By sticking with Kerry we are hurting the Democratic party.
By not thinking outside the rovian box you are giving trolls a bad name.
"...I can't imagine anyone who is not filthy rich, a religious fanatic or a member of the Saudi Royal Family (or some combination of the above) even being tempted to vote for Bush."
It is amazing that the right gets people to vote against their self interest so consistently. But that's because they make it so comfortable for the. It's comforting to believe that things are great, the President, like father, always knows best, and God is on our side. Our side demands more, and comes across like the hectoring parent who is always scolding and no fun. Clinton broke the mold because he so obviously empathized with people.
That's what Edwards can bring. More Edwards!
Oh, Salt and Jehru, just wait til BCCI comes back to burn Bush.
I'm keeping a nice bottle of champagne on ice for that one 
By sticking with Kerry we are hurting the Democratic party.
Absolutely right. The best move the Democratic Party could make two months before a national election would be to switch candidates.
From Usamabinlazy's posts I can see that I am not the only one who is drunk. Dude, pass the dutchie.
For the record, I find absolutely nothing charming, boyish or otherwise, about Bush. To me it's as if Dudley from the Harry Potter series grew up and through some horrible mistake was selected as President.
Nader in 2004.
Kerry=Bush
DLC=RNC
If you can't grasp that , this cuntry is in trouble.
Al Leiter is a right winger. Screw him. Besides, I'm a Philly fan.
I'll be going to PA for a few weeks next month to talk some sense into family members who are fence sitting right now. I come from a large family, so I just might be able to swing the state.
>Between the HR people and the lawyers, they had trouble figuring out how to do it.
Yeah, it's counted as a disability up here, so you gotta watch it. Not sure how your laws work.
>no offense taken, it's actually been pretty clear what these guys have been up to since before the 2000 election
No doubt it has to you, but a lot of people up here were surprised. We expected Dad running the world from a deck chair in Kennebunkport. The usual Bush realpolitik softened with liberal democracy. Not the worst thing. Bit hard on the wogs, but sane.
Turned out to be the worst thing.
Nader?
the Corvair killer?
Re: Bin Laden story...
they really wouldn't after every democrat said they were gonna do it. they really wouldn't would they?
Yeah they would. Every Dem said they play the hell out of 9/11 in NYC, and they shamelessly did that. Oh, and the media gave them a pass.
Atrios had the the greatest comment...
"4 Years In
And all they've got is Bush standing on a mass grave with a bullhorn."
By sticking with Kerry we are hurting the Democratic party.
vote Nader. The only true man.
jehru | Email | Homepage | 09.04.04 - 8:18 pm | #
You mean that same Ralph Nader who's allied with the "Oregon Family Council"?
No thanks. Even in the unlikely event that I vote for a third party candidate, it wouldn't be for someone backed by anti-gay fundamentalist nazis like this.
"is there no place for the man with the 105 IQ ?"
y'all are shrill.
You guys have your work cut out for you, but I'd remind you of two things. First, the bastards always go too far. Not a single fascist regime has lasted. And second, you have friends everywhere. Courage.
Finny
Thanks finny.
And you trolls- keep on posting. Remember, everytime you spew your nonsense here, I'm going to register 2 democratic voters. So keep it up!
The rest of you, if the trolls were so sure of a chimpy victory, they woudn't be here babbling.
Well, in a fitting bit of irony, Laura's boyfriend was driving a Covair when she ran that STOP sign and killed him.
Krugman just now on CSPAN: "If we ever emerge from this tunnel, we are going to look back on the last three years as some of the most shameful in our nation's history".
He also made the point that it is a mistake to focus solely on Bush. He's just a useful idiot for a much bigger anti-progress movement that has been steadily advancing since the Goldwater years. Getting rid of Bush wouldn't be enough to expunge them - only publicly exposing the full extent of the scandals that are so far only hinted at will do it.
whats up with the comments?
weird shit going on.
"whats up with the comments?
weird shit going on."
semper hi fi
Just a few Rovettes (trolls)
KERRY IS GOING TO WIN AND BIG-
my story and I am sticking with it.
bush IS GOING DOWN IN FLAMES.
Semper, it's been polluted with trolls in Nader masks.
I'd forgotten about that "why bother taxing the rich--they'll just hire accountants" line. At the time, I thought it was really stupid--can't believe he's still using it.
On the other hand, it might fit in with his acceptance speech campaign promise to "simplify the tax code" (i.e., flat tax).
Imagine it--Bush will claim that "rich people avoiding paying their fair share" is the reason we need to move to a regressive flat tax.
Getting rid of Bush wouldn't be enough to expunge them - only publicly exposing the full extent of the scandals that are so far only hinted at will do it.
Getting him out of the office will be a huge victory, though, and a serious blow to the radical right. Kerry will ensure there will never be such thing as a Scalia court.
It's you bastards who cut vets health benefits and combat
Er, "combat pay".
By sticking with Kerry we are hurting the Democratic party.
Nader in 2004.
Kerry=Bush
DLC=RNC
Never mind, I see the dutchie is being passed. On the left hand side even. I'll just wait my turn.
I should clarify - RNC trolls in Nader masks.
Too bad you can smell their troll farts before they even enter the room.
Mary Kate and Ashley (TM) kinda look like trolls.
Getting him out of the office will be a huge victory, though, and a serious blow to the radical right. Kerry will ensure there will never be such thing as a Scalia court.
If Kerry wins, a lot of shit we don't know about now is going to come out and a lot of us are going to shudder at just how close we were to losing Democracy in the US. It's going to be a bit like almost getting hit by a bus on the streetcorner and realizing that 15 tons of Detroit metal almost squashed you.
Al Leiter is a right winger. Screw him. Besides, I'm a Philly fan.
Sadly for me, many of the Mets are Republicans -- today's birthday boy, Mike Piazza, among them. Leiter's not a screeching-rightwinger, but he's not a man of the people, so to speak, either. He says he's going to run for Congress from New Jersey after he retires.
Oh, and about those Phillies: Booooo!
I'll be going to PA for a few weeks next month to talk some sense into family members who are fence sitting right now. I come from a large family, so I just might be able to swing the state.
Good luck! My fundamentalist Baptist brother is now in the angrily undecided camp. I think he's going to tip away from the boy king on civil rights and economic issues.
Why won't the "liberal" media ask for clarification? Like what is the reason the rich hire accountants? Also, if the rich hire accountants and don't pay taxes why did most of the last 3 tax cuts go to the wealthiest 1%? Do bush and cheney hire accountants that figure out ways for them not to pay taxes? And so many more questions.
he's painting a pretty clear picture for you: he believes that successful people cheat on their taxes, so you can't count on them for revenue anyway; you have to depend on those poor deluded bastards who actually pay the taxes they owe. That's what he learned from all his daddy's rich friends, like Kenny Lay.
This is the same bullshit that George Gilder, Arthur Laffer, Jude Wanniski, and all those other assholes were peddling twenty years ago, except that those guys used to pretend to dress it up and make it intellectually respectable, with charts and graphs and fancy names, because they were trying to win acceptance among their peers for their theories.
Since Bush realizes he's talking to the servant class, he doesn't bother to try to present an ethical justification of what he's saying, or explain why he as President is not going to bother to enforce the tax code.
asshole.
travc (and Atrios, originator) I'm with ya on the bullhorn thing. Their whole convention was about making people feel safe.
We've got to point out that "feeling safe" isn't necessarily the same as being safe - particularly not when things like port security, first responders, chem and nuclear plant security - has gone unfunded through Bush inaction. I'd love to hear Kerry/Edwards or surrogate say: "Little children sometimes feel safer if they have a favorite blanket or toy with them. But those things won't protect them from harm - just like the president's "feel safe" message doesn't really protect you - in fact, it makes it worse, because it distracts your attention from all the critical things we need to do for security that he has FAILED to do."
I can't imagine anyone who is not filthy rich, a religious fanatic or a member of the Saudi Royal Family (or some combination of the above) even being tempted to vote for Bush.
Hey orbitron, what fraction of the American public is fundamentalist christian?
That's his core. Plus the 5% that are getting significant tax breaks. You know- the richest and the most rabid.
So when the FL elections get jammed up this time, and it goes back to SCOTUS, and Bu$hCo gets handed the job yet again, even though 60% of us vote against him, exactly what are we gonnna do?
Don't tell me your real plans, people- Big Brother takes notes here.
Jack ass,
you typing at me!
I wish we lived in an earlier time.
When duels were the way.
By sticking with Kerry we are hurting the Democratic party.
vote Nader. The only true man.
Gosh, I can't wait until the Nader Cult of Personality is in charge of the nation. Then all our cars will finally be safe at any speed...
and the rich could pay.
whats up with the comments?
HaloScan is drunk. She's losing track of what she's been saying.
Even in the unlikely event that I vote for a third party candidate, it wouldn't be for someone backed by anti-gay fundamentalist nazis like this.
Amen.
for a second.
kelley b - General strike. When his corporate owners start hemorraging profits, they'll pull the plug on BushCo in a hurry.
Jay H. Leve, Editor of SurveyUSA
Oh, and he's be;lievable. The asshole is supposed to be neutral, and he has apool that's an outlier.
Hysterical.
You guys are going to lose and lose big.
You know it too, don't you. Working overtime and you're going to lose, because the majority of Americans understand what it means to be an American.
You should be ashamed of yourselves, but you're too greedy and stupid.
I want my country back.
i want my cunt tree back too.
If Kerry wins, a lot of shit we don't know about now is going to come out and a lot of us are going to shudder at just how close we were to losing Democracy in the US.
No kidding. Any guesses as to how far this little rabbit hole goes? Tactical nukes? A.Q. Khan? AIPAC?
This election boils down to a choice between getting rational competants running goverment again or escalating the war in Iraq and starting a new one in Iran. I have a hard time making the point that so much is riding on this, like democracy in America itself. People just don't understand how extremist these people are.
Nader: For those who prefer their authoritarian asswipes to have a leftist skin
dude, pro,
go back to aol.
President Bush over John Kerry by an eleven point spread (49% vs. 38%) according to a Zogby/Wall $treet Week with FORTUNE poll conducted on August 30th through September 2nd.
Bush at just 49%, a sitting president after his convention and all those swift boat attacks in August?
That's not good news for Bush.
People want change!
But allot of Kerry's support has gone to the undecided column because of all the attacks.
The Dems, John Kerry and John Edwards MUST SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT on $87 billion flip flop charge and defense cut lies ect.! (when Cheney opposed most of them too)
By ignoring the substance of the GOP convention attacks, he is almost CONCEDING that they are true.
The so-called Liberal Media is not correcting the lies, so we must.
He has a poll, that is. Well, it's not much of one though.
I suppose, pt, that you will say the election was stolen, because some guy told you Bush was leading.
Now that's an interesting thought. Tell the freepers that the election was stolen. Watch them blow up more buildings and kill more innocent people.
Watch them go to hell like McVeigh.
People just don't understand how extremist these people are.
No. They don't. Not even in downtown Manhattan. Not even about crap that went on right in front of their eyes.
I'm still livid with anger about the 1500 pre-emptive arrests in NYC and I'm even more livid with anger at all of the nice, calm, soft-spoking Manhattan liberals who were gushing about how great the cops were.
Is there some kind of submission/masochist instinct that we have to offset our aggression/will to survive.
I just don't fucking get it.
"This election boils down to a choice between getting rational competants running goverment again or escalating the war in Iraq and starting a new one in Iran. I have a hard time making the point that so much is riding on this, like democracy in America itself. People just don't understand how extremist these people are."
Anonymous
I was listening to a talk radio program in San Fran last night, and they were basically saying that if Bushco wins, they have everything to put the draft back in place by June 15, 2005. And the best part is, draft age will be raised to 34.
As for who votes for Bush (and the speculation about having to be rich, etc. to do so), I respectfully disagree. If it weren't for MANY people who were willing to vote for him, even though it is manifestly against their best interest, Kerry would be leading something like 80/20 in the polls.
Many US voters simply don't pay enough attention to current events and politics to have anything resembling what people on this site (including me) would call an informed opinion. They vote with their gut, not their mind, and we wind up with the 2000 debacle (which should have been Gore by 60/40, minimum, IMO), and a skin-tight race in 2004.
I'm not despairing; it seems K is gearing up for a serious fight down the home stretch, and I bet we'll see at least one line as good as the infamous, "...and you're no Jack Kennedy" in the debates.
But man oh man, I have a hard time figuring out why it should be THIS hard for the good guys to win.
Since Bush realizes he's talking to the servant class, he doesn't bother to try to present an ethical justification of what he's saying, or explain why he as President is not going to bother to enforce the tax code.
This is exactly why that particular part of the boy king's stump speech is infuriating.
Rich people are going to do what they're going to do anyway, so why bother? The crowd can stand there and laugh at their own expense -- having signed their fealty to the king.
I'd say the whole convention was about making people feel unsafe--and then bring Bush on the scene. It was all about making people feel safe only with Bush at the helm.
Forcing people to recognize the difference between feeling and being safe is problematic, because most people who focus on feeling safe are doing so because they can handle the reality tht it is impossible to be completely safe. For these people, it's not a matter of education. Its a matter of dealing with an ingrained psychological defense mechanism, and its not going to happen. But the weaning process is still worthwhile, even for a few votes--just realize that some people get even more scared and angry when you try to pry that magical blanket away!
I love these "think he's going to win" polls as having any meaning. I think Bush will win, and I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire.
Frazier's on a roll.
First it was "These brownshirts are projecting like the octoplex down at the mall" and now it's "Nader: For those who prefer their authoritarian asswipes to have a leftist skin."
Which ranks right up there with BlakNo1's classic "Nader is a goat-blowing assclown."
Gentlemen, I salute you.
If you can't grasp that , this cuntry is in trouble.
I know what you're trying to say, but you're wrong. Dead wrong. If there's anyone in this election who's on the take, it's Nader.
And if you can't see the difference between Kerry and Bush, you truly are a stupid asshole.
I'd forgotten about that "why bother taxing the rich--they'll just hire accountants" line. At the time, I thought it was really stupid--can't believe he's still using it.
His actual words:
"The really rich people figure out how to dodge taxes anyway."
So we might as well just give them tax cuts.
Kind of like Enron will just figure out how to scam California, so we just ought to let them get away with it.
And Halliburton will just figure out how to steal, so we might as well just give them no bid contracts.
And Al Qaeda will just figure out how to attack us so I guess we just can't win the war on terror.
That's George Bush for you. Some guys turn their boats into the fight. Others just turn tail and run.
it is a mistake to focus solely on Bush. He's just a useful idiot for a much bigger anti-progress movement that has been steadily advancing since the Goldwater years.
Let's see if i can close italics this time!
This is so right. Kerry will have a hard time with a CIA that's had four years of Bu$hCo re-infiltration. We've got to deliver Congress back into Democratic hands.
Kerry has also got to prosecute as much of Bu$hCo as he can.
This nation can't allow the likes of Abrams, Poindexter, and younger ghouls like Feith and Rove and Rice to rise from the dead again.
Nader: For those who prefer their authoritarian asswipes to have a leftist skin.
Chavez, Chomsky, Castro...
Because they know the truth and if you don't agree with them you're a fool.
BTW, can't remember if it was Bernie Ward or Ray Taliafero, but the draft thing sounded pretty damn scary.
Basically, the old rule of thumb is if you are occupying a country, you need double the amount of troops state-side to rotate in and out. We don't have enough active military to do that right now, hence the need to reactivate the draft.
They've already begun hiring people for draft board positions, and all the paperwork and everything's in place to make a draft a go in 2005.
Nick, you think?
Newton - that was a thing of beauty. Please send it to MoveOn, Air America, and the Kerry campaign. Someone should use it.
Jennifer - When I read that "brownshirts projecting like the octoplex at the mall," I knew I was staring at sheer genius. I join with you in saluting.
Pants. Burning pants. Maybe someone could rig up a metal effigy of Bushliar with gas lines and propane jets in the pants.
Jennifer
don't know if you're still out there, Jennifer, but check your email
Kind of like Enron will just figure out how to scam California, so we just ought to let them get away with it.
The company that has taken Enron's place in California is Chevron. Schwarzenegger let Chevron write its own rules in the state.
the best part is, draft age will be raised to 34.
Ha! This 35 year-old Quaker isn't worried. I guess I can vote for Bush afterall...
I was listening to a talk radio program in San Fran last night, and they were basically saying that if Bushco wins, they have everything to put the draft back in place by June 15, 2005. And the best part is, draft age will be raised to 34.
I hate to speculate about the future but I have a feeling that a) Osama bin Laden is very, very safe in the hands of Pakistani intelligence, his Saudi sponsors the legions of angry, unemployed Arab men protecting him, b) al Qaeda will strike again in the US sometime in the next year and c) Bush will blame the attack on Iran.
General strike. When his corporate owners start hemorraging profits, they'll pull the plug on BushCo in a hurry.
Jennifer
Possibly, Jennifer. It would be nice to think so. A big chunk of corporate America is pro-Kerry, because a big chunk of corporate America doesn't get a cut of Carlyle action- and there are even Carlyle members that don't appreciate Bu$hCo.
Let me suggest that corporations and corporate leaders coming down on our side be spared and encouraged.
BTW. If anybody wants to see how a nice, quick effective campaign commercial is done, this one's pretty good.
Man, our Israeli and Saudi "allies" are really great, aren't they?
>President Bush over John Kerry by an eleven point spread (49% vs. 38%) according to a Zogby/Wall $treet Week with FORTUNE poll conducted on August 30th through September 2nd.
Am not aware of this poll -- link please.
Zogby AMERICA Poll results for these same dates are 46%/44% for Bush.
BTW, if you disregared the flawed TIME Magazine poll, the numbers for Kerry don't look too bad if you compare RV only, without Nader
Quick, who would win in Chess? Kerry or Bush.
Does Bush even know how the pieces move?
Do YOU want a president who doesn't even know how the pieces on a chessboard move?
You are so full of shit, notice.
I saw the pictures in the local Ohio newspapers, and I read the reports of crowd size. 20,000 in Akron, 10,000-15,000 in Newark (a town I know well, a SMALL town).
The unions are out and carrying signs. You are a liar. Go look at the fucking pictures and read the stories.
Kerry's strategy is great. He goes to smaller towns and metropolitan centers not far from larger cities. He gets LOCAL coverage.
In Newark, the town historian said he was the first presidential nominee to visit since William Henry Harrison. People started getting in line at the best spots in Courthouse Square the NIGHT BEFORE the next afternoon's event.
You fucking liar. Begone.
kelley b - a very worthy suggestion! Which would further allow the supporters in those companies to continue to work and help out those supporters out on strike. In fact, it could take on a whole "with us or against us" aspect, with a boycott of businesses backing BushCo - their workers won't show up, and half of their business dries up at the same time.
I like it!
c) Bush will blame the attack on Iran.
That gambit blew up in Aznars face. Would Bushco be stupid enough to try it again?
BTW. If anybody wants to see how a nice, quick effective campaign commercial is done, this one's pretty good.
Indeed. Quick, to the point, and easy to grasp. But of course, he is talking about New Jersey, of all the godforsakenplaces...
>People just don't understand how extremist these people are.
It's the fault of your media, but a real problem for Kerry.
"These people are freaking Nazis!" may be true, but one can imagine the reaction of Wolf Blitzer.
And yet they just had the Nuremburg rally in NY. I'm better at encouragement than suggestions.
Jennifer's wish for bush fiprepants is grented
Does Bush even know how the pieces move?
Oh, I'm sure Bush knows all about how the horsies move...
Jennifer - I was trying to talk up that distinction the night of Bushie's speech, I think it was. Feeling safe is purely subjective while being safe is something else entirely. It is a good point and I would love to see someone raise it publicly.
But man oh man, I have a hard time figuring out why it should be THIS hard for the good guys to win.
loudGizmo
Don't despair.
You know, things might not be that bad.
You know, these guys do lie a lot. And money has been known to produce bad statistics.
I am less concerned about getting a majority of real votes than getting the majority of real votes really counted.
He's talking about homeland security.
Kerry needs something like this.
It has nice quick cuts and a nice balanced aggressiveness, as if he's rolling up his sleaves and asking the Republicans to step outside and settle it like men.
firepants
granted
retarded with fear of Hurricane Francis (In Tampa. Bottle of Captain Morgans is calling to me)
You fucking liar. Begone.
Kate, of course, he was lying. People love Kerry and his crowds have been huge.
Bush spoke in a high school.
Handpicked crowds. No protestors.
Laughable.
But what does that remind you of?
My God. People hate Hitler, and lookie here, folks.
How do the morons think that he achieved power?
Unbelievable. Unfuckingbelievable.
That gambit blew up in Aznars face. Would Bushco be stupid enough to try it again?
I can't tell you how many times I've asked myself "Would BushCo be stupid enough to...?" in the past three years.
I wish I was over there. In fact, I wish that we lived in—I wish we lived in the day... I wish we lived in the day where you could challenge a person to a duel.
That gambit blew up in Aznars face. Would Bushco be stupid enough to try it again?
Remember, if Bush wins a second term, his advisors will think that means he has a huge mandate to do whatever the fuck he wants, i.e. bomb the shit out of Tehran.
background
The "documentary" should be no problem at all. Wow, debunking is fun! Sherwood did an investigation of the Unification Church and wrote a book called Inquisition.
...a Frontline investigation in 1992 asked just how "inside" Sherwood's investigation went:
Narrator: In June,1991, Inquisition, a new, purportedly independent investigation of Moon's 1982 tax fraud prosecution, was released by a Washington publisher, Regnery-Gateway. Its author, Carlton Sherwood, is a Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative reporter who once worked for the Washington Times.
Where have I heard that name, Regnery? Hmmm, let me think. It's so familiar. Could it be the publisher of the Swift Boat Liars book? If you want to read more, click on the above link.
Perhaps someone already posted this column by Michael Moore, but here it is anyway:
Published on Friday, September 3, 2004 by USA TODAY
Why Democrats Shouldn't Be Scared
by Michael Moore
NEW YORK — If I've heard it once, I've heard it a hundred times from discouraged Democrats and liberals as the Republican convention here wrapped up this week. Their shoulders hunched, their eyes at a droop, they lower their voice to a whisper hoping that if they don't say it too loud it may not come true: "I...I...I think Bush is going to win."
Clearly, they're watching too much TV. Too much of Arnold Schwarzenegger, Zell Miller, Dick Cheney and Rudy Giuliani. Too much of swift boat veterans and Fox News commentators.
Action heroes always look good on TV. On Wednesday night, the GOP even made an action-hero video and showed it at the convention. There was White House political czar Karl Rove and other administration officials dressed up for "war" and going through boot camp on the National Mall in Washington. ..
http://www.commondreams.org/view...s04/0903-
02.htm
Thanks for the firepants, GOB! Tell the Captain hello for me and good luck riding out the storm.
And thanks for the link to the ad, SWR. A good example of what works.
get well bubba
get well soon, Bill
Partasanship ends at coronary thrombosis. Get well soon, Clinton.
Bill Clinton, get well soon.
Fixing the bleeding heart
Unexpected Reaction
Clinton's having bypass surgery
Politic's aside, our prayers with the Clintons
Clinton in Hospital
Was Clinton booed at a Bush rally? with audio!
A better question was Clinton booed at a Kerry rally?
I just happened to be watching TV when Kerry got the news of Clinton's illness. He was speaking in front of a crowd (I have no idea where - I was only halfway paying attention). An aide handed him a note, which he (I think) unfolded and read silently. He then...STARED INTO SPACE BLANKLY FOR SEVERAL SECONDS, THEN PUT IT BACK IN HIS POCKET AND CONTINUED SPEAKING AS THOUGH NOTHING HAD HAPPENED.
No "We're concerned for Pres. Clinton - we wish him well". Nothing
Maybe he kkknew something about you good folks.
I hate to speculate about the future but I have a feeling that a) Osama bin Laden is very, very safe in the hands of Pakistani intelligence, his Saudi sponsors the legions of angry, unemployed Arab men protecting him, b) al Qaeda will strike again in the US sometime in the next year and c) Bush will blame the attack on Iran.
This should be repeated: I'd be surprised if the real Osama is ever brought in for justice by Bu$hCo.
A relative, even by marriage, of the royal house? A devout Wahhabi muslim? A member of a family with a long history of business with the Bu$hies?
No, they might bring in somebody in October, but it won't be Osama.
He's simply too valuable in generating the kind of violence that will enable Bu$hCo to invade Iran- and Syria- next year.
If we let it happen.
Sorry.
Am not aware of this poll -- link please.
It's a poll of 'self-described investors' -- that is, some of the people who benefit most from BushCo. And even that skewed segment of the population can't muster 50% for Chimpy.
Is that what golfers call a mulligan?
Give it up, papertiger.
Don't pretend you have concern about Clinton. It won't fly.
I just happened to be watching TV when Kerry got the news of Clinton's illness. He was speaking in front of a crowd (I have no idea where - I was only halfway paying attention). An aide handed him a note, which he (I think) unfolded and read silently. He then...STARED INTO SPACE BLANKLY FOR SEVERAL SECONDS, THEN PUT IT BACK IN HIS POCKET AND CONTINUED SPEAKING AS THOUGH NOTHING HAD HAPPENED.
Got a link or some other cite? Further, what do you expect him to say in the middle of a speech? Did Bush get handed a note in the middle of his? What is your glitch, anyway? Why is the sky blue? Why are you a fucking moron? Why is there being and not rather nothingness?
And thanks for the link to the ad, SWR. A good example of what works.
That's the way I'd like to see Kerry presented.
It doesn't really work when he drawls his "bring it on" line in that patrician voice.
He needs to come across like someone asking Bush to step outside like this.
Something like:
(Show jets sitting on field in Texas then cut to people drinking in a bar.)
This is where George Bush spent Vietnam.
(cut to Mekon Delta)
And this is where I spent it.
(show George Bush reading My Pet Goat)
And this is how he spent 9/11.
(cut to Kerry with sleaves rolled up)
I can do better.
(Cut to Zel Miller)
This is there Keynote speaker. This is the past.
(Cut to Obama)
And this is ours. This is the future.
(cut to Kerry in front of huge crowd)
The choice is clear. Ineffectual belligerence or calm resolve. Vote for Kerry/Edwards.
President Kerry.
Start getting used to it, folks...
And by the way, it's *always* the economy, Rove. After all, this is America
Papertigger, are ya psychic? If Kerry was handed a note and he said nothing, how the hell do you know it said anything about Clinton?
USamabinlazy is indeed lazy. The poll he cites appears to be biased towards the Republicans. For example, the polling was done at various times, including after the DNC, but the comparisons didn't use that date (which would be the comparable date to the day after the RNC). Instead, they compared to the date before the DNC in order to maximize the changes in the direction they want to see them.
But in fact if you look at their statistics (which I no longer trust, given the obvious bias in the commentary: "eviscerated" is not a statistical term), you can see that situations exactly reverse from that now after the RNC prevailed after the DNC ended. The commentary ignores this completely, trying to imply that the Bush increase has been continuous when in fact the numbers have been going up and down all the time.
See for yourself:
SurveyUsa
I asked a rightwing Republican at work how he enjoyed the Nurmburg rally. He said: "Hey, come on. Come on. Both parties do it. And anyway," he said, "I'm an independent."
Uh huh.
monica_nyc
Dunno why, but that's the thing that bugs me the most, when they won't even 'fess up to being Republicans. "I'm an independent." "I'm a libertarian." They figure that they get that slight extra bit of credibility that way.
Here's one, poll fans. Kerry LEADS Bush and Nader, 51% to 47% to 1%, in poll of Likely Voters taken 8/30 - 8/31 by Leger Marketing (Canada)
If you are George Bush you can defy physics. There is no tipping point.
911 happened on his watch and then the lies about the WMD's and the preemptive war. The insane amounts of our treasure and lives all lost down the rabbit hole. All those scandals and no one is fired, or even thinks of taking responsibility.
Hey, Bill Clinton got a blowjob.
I can still see the special epaulets that Rehnquist ordered to be put on his robes for the impeacment.
Life is a state of mind.
God, I love Frank Rich.
Only in an election year ruled by fiction could a sissy who used Daddy's connections to escape Vietnam turn an actual war hero into a girlie-man.
paper - there is a really greasy feel that one gets from commenters who try to capitalize on a death or an illness to score points. I mean greasy in the disgusting kind of glistening rancid fat with chunks in it that you-don't- want-to-know-what-they-are way.
"They're going to try every way they know to put lipstick on this pig," the North Carolina senator told cheering supporters at a rally in a Green Bay amusement park. "But … at the end of the day, it's still a pig."
I guess if Edwards has ever help his wife put on makeup, he knows about putting lipstick on a pig!!!
Dunno why, but that's the thing that bugs me the most, when they won't even 'fess up to being Republicans. "I'm an independent." "I'm a libertarian." They figure that they get that slight extra bit of credibility that way.
orbitron | Email | Homepage | 09.04.04 - 9:17 pm | #
I used to argue with right-wingers but it gets tedious because they have a few talking points that you can memorize in a few minutes anyway.
Once you've heard
1.) Liberals are hypocrites because the liberal media censors conservative free speech
2.) Freedom isn't free and you've got to kill people to be free
3.) Kerry is a flip flopper and if you haven't read the swift boat book you can't vote for them
you've heard everything they have to say.
As open minded as I am, it just gets boring.
ok, so we have one rigged poll and another one with minimal bounce. what's going to happen to those numbers after 9/11 saturation overload? A&E is already running two back to back 9/11 specials. it's going to be everywhere you turn. how many outlets are going to remind you that bush ignored terrorism for months?
now would be a good time to break out rand beers. kerry could have planned to get ahead of this to minimize the damage.
there is a really greasy feel that one gets from commenters who try to capitalize on a death or an illness to score points. I mean greasy in the disgusting kind of glistening rancid fat with chunks in it that you-don't- want-to-know-what-they-are way.
That was a thing of beauty. What a smackdown, Tena.
I salute you.
the question is what we are going to do to prevent the re-election of bush?
Am not aware of this poll -- link please.
Zogby AMERICA Poll results for these same dates are 46%/44% for Bush.
YOU ARE Right!! I'm sorry, Zogby's(49% vs. 38%) was for "self-identified investor voters"
I apologize!
In the 2000 election Zogby was the most accurate, his polls were the only ones who caught the Gore surge at the very end and as everyone knows, He did win the Popular vote.
Zogby's 46%/44% is the poll I believe is the most accurate. He has the best track record in my honest opinion.
After the Propaganda Fest in NY, that attempted to scare America to death, that ain't bad.
the question is what we are going to do to prevent the re-election of bush?
Finny | Email | Homepage | 09.04.04 - 7:58 pm | #
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Finny - re fascism: IIRC it was Mussolini (il Duce himself) who said that fascism should more properly be called corporatism, because it was the perfect melding of state and corporate power.
You know what I like about the accountability meme? It ties into the Constitution. Not only does it cover most of the problems with the Bushies (from Cheney's energy council through the pre-9/11 failures through the overclassification of documents through the treason and selling of national secrets), but it allows us to nail them for the fact that nobody in the Adminstration takes the heat for anything they do. Nobody was fired for incompetence after 9/11. Nobody has been fired for the horrors of the lack of planning in connection with the Iraq war. Nobody has ever been fired from the Administration for any failure; on the contrary, the worst offenders are praised to the skies (Rumsfeld, for instance).
And we have the Constitution behind us on this. What did the Founding Fathers want? What did they go out of their way to set up in this government? Checks and balances, to make sure that the people running the country are accountable to the people who are the country. I realize that lots of Americans don't understand the Constitution, let alone revere it as I do, but I think we could appeal to the documents that made us the United States of America, reclaim patriotism.
Or do I need to drink some more?
the question is what we are going to do to prevent the re-election of bush?
the question is what we are going to do to prevent the re-election of bush?
We're doing.
What are you?
Hey, Papertiger, did your roommates ever let your locked-out ass back in the apartment, or did they change the locks and toss your shit in garbage bags on the sidewalk after figuring out what we already knew?
"What are you?"
Trolling. spewing nonsense, playing with self, typing with one hand, 'bout nothin'
KERRY IS GOING TO WIN AND BIG-
my story and I am sticking with it.
bush IS GOING DOWN IN FLAMES.
is Iowa considered a battleground state or what?
Zogby AMERICA Poll results for these same dates are 46%/44% for Bush.
now take that poll state by state and calculate the electoral prize -- and you'll see what I found; kerry at 284 given the trend on the polling sample; the worst that kerry can do, if one was to believe in a downward trend (and that is post convention trending mind you), is 269 to 269; a deadlock broken by the house and then cheney himself as the protem of the senate
Papertiger: Here's one simple question for you...
How many times has George W. Bush been arrested?
You don't know, do you?
You know... you could just ask W yourself!
The World's Shortest Blog will even pay you to do it.
The Bush Bounty is now up to $267.28. All you have to do is ask him?
Think he'll tell the truth?
http://onesimplequestion.blogspot.com
Well, either Bush will lose this year or the Republicans will lose in 2008. The former would be better as there would be something left to save. Another four years of Bush will destroy the United States as we know it, and there will be very little left to save.
I think that the Democrats must learn framing and must start using it right away. They must coin terms which provoke good feelings when the term is pro-Democrat and bad feelings when the term is pro-Republican, and they must use these simple terms everywhere. This is the appeal to emotions which is needed to get the unthinking ones.
Then the Democrats need to get media access. I don't know how to go about doing that, given that the media is in the pockets of the wingnuts, but they must keep on kicking on the doors.
Checks and balances, to make sure that the people running the country are accountable to the people who are the country. I realize that lots of Americans don't understand the Constitution, let alone revere it as I do, but I think we could appeal to the documents that made us the United States of America, reclaim patriotism.
Or do I need to drink some more?
Nora
At least one more drink, while I raise my glass to you. Nicely put!
TOW
Contributions From Kerry's Top Fund-Raisers, 1999-2003*^
Third name from the top
Ben Barnes
Um, Paper, you might want to considerr that Ken Lay is (was) Bush's top donor.
Heh. I always figured feeling safe = healthy-looking hair (the operative word, of course, being 'looking'. Those damn shampoo commercials drive me nuts). It's all about illusion and appearences for the Republicans. The cure? Facts. Let their record speak for itself.
Ha ha ha. If only Frank Rich weren't so subtle, from his Sunday column
Only in an election year ruled by fiction could a sissy who used Daddy's connections to escape Vietnam turn an actual war hero into a girlie-man
3.) Kerry is a flip flopper and if you haven't read the swift boat book you can't vote for them
Ha! I received that vile tripe from Amazon a few days ago--and read a good bit of it--so I guess I can vote for Kerry.
As a Canadian I am doing my bit to GOTV for Kerry. In our small city of 500,000 there are over 8000 Americans eligible to vote. Speaking to one last week, he was not even intending to register and vote, although he favored Kerry. He will register now, and I will follow up with him to make SURE he registers. And, I'll call him on the 2nd to make sure he votes. For Kerry.
We have a vested interest as Canadians to assist Kerry in every way possible. That's my little bit, and I encourage Canadians, Europeans, and anyone in contact with expat Americans to make sure they register, and VOTE for Kerry. Small steps ......
Contributions From Kerry's Top Fund-Raisers, 1999-2003*^
Ben Barnes
Papertiger
I guess Paperdickhead gets his Rove talking points first. You would think Karl would start with the trolls with IQ's over 70.
Papertiger,what's your point?
Are you saying Barnes is lying?
Ot that he doesn't worship at the Bush altar?
You idiot.
monica_nyc -- the privatization of the military is a huge scandal of epic proportions
they are called PMC's for private military companies and the amount of money they are taking is criminal; a freakin outrage
google: executive options -- that's where it started. A recent investigation estimates that the annual global PMC revenue has surpassed US$100Billion.
Currently, PMC personnel are working, and dying, in places like Iraq, helping to provide security for its oil fields, provide training to the army's new Stryker brigade which has just been deployed there, and train Iraqi police and prison guards. They are recruited as operatives for the Central Intelligence Agency's paramilitary division. They are piloting drug fumigation planes in Colombia, where they have been killed and captured by the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia. They are training the Saudi National Guard, serving as bodyguards to interim President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan, and providing security to US diplomats (where three of them, working for the firm Dyncorp, died in a bomb blast in October). They are recruited from big states like the US and Great Britain and microstates like Fiji. There are probably 10,000 to 20,000 private contractors working overseas just for the US Defense and State departments alone.
Ha! I received that vile tripe from Amazon a few days ago--and read a good bit of it--so I guess I can vote for Kerry.
NTodd | Email | Homepage | 09.04.04 - 9:36 pm | #
I found a copy face down in the bathroom of Barnes and Nobles sitting in a puddle of urine.
I wonder what *horrible* person could have done it
Contributions From Kerry's Top Fund-Raisers, 1999-2003*^
Third name from the top
Ben Barnes
Wow, that's a shock, given that he was the fucking DEMOCRATIC Lt. Gov, who nonetheless got Bush his gig in the TANG, despite his abyssmal test scores...
Anyone else find it interesting that the last great large Hurricane disaster also occurred just before the 92 election?
Corporate Run American Media = CRAP???
Try the following Acronym: Corporate Run American PRESS, those initials = CRAP
Ben Barnes
Big supporter of Scott McClellan's mom's run for office.
I found a copy face down in the bathroom of Barnes and Nobles sitting in a puddle of urine.
I wonder what *horrible* person could have done it
Not me. I usually go to the Borders store on Church Street in Burlington...
pie -
You're damn straight! Look at every single fucking Bush event on C-Span. You can't find a *single one* that shows the camera long shot. Not a one.
On another blog there was a report from a mole who got into a "loyalty oath" event. Even the *indoors* events aren't full! And they go outside and round up the employed food service and set-up people and make them fill some of the seats. And then they take black material and cover the empty seats (against a black background) so that the camera won't accidentally pick up empty seats.
Talk about your Potemkin village.
"This is the appeal to emotions which is needed to get the unthinking ones."
Echidne, I don't think that these guys
are worth going after. They blow in the wind if they vote at all, moderate republicans are a much easier target.
So far ans the great unthunked are concerned Stern has probably delivered
the only members of that group that are available.
I am in complete agreement about the framing of things and a number of people here have been working on that stuff. Please remember this, take a deep deep breath, There are more of us than them. yes there are some idiots, and they generally turnout in much higher numbers, but in reality there are more of us than them. Make sure that your friends vote, and you will probably have done more for the cause come election day than anything else.
You may notice that I am working on taking back the Swagger.
cheers
KERRY IS GOING TO WIN AND BIG-
my story and I am sticking with it.
bush IS GOING DOWN IN FLAMES.
I'm pointing out that his attack piece, which will be airing on 60 minutes tomorrow, doesn't require a map from the NYTimes, with three degrees of separation to link it to the Kerry campaign.
I'm really tired of people using funding ties to discredit their opponents. All sides do it, but either way, it only shows one's motivation for either side to win; it doesn't work in trying to discredit someone's argument.
Remember. It's the content that matters.
grmithal-And, I'll call him on the 2nd to make sure he votes. For Kerry.
Since he's in Canada, would n't he have to mail his ballot-at least a week before Nov. 2nd?
I read recently there's a huge push to get Americans in other countries to vote this year. This election will not conform to the polls. Too many new voters and new factors pushing people to vote than in most elections.
KERRY IN A LANDSLIDE!!
TOW
KERRY IS GOING TO WIN AND BIG-
my story and I am sticking with it.
bush IS GOING DOWN IN FLAMES.
I'm more than convinced.
Then there was this time when Andy Card whispered into Bush's ear that America was under attack and Bush . . . Be serious, papertiger.
the question is what we are going to do to prevent the re-election of bush?
well, hell, eond, sounded to me back in that other thread like you didn't mind bush all that much.
the question is, when are you going to come up with something intelligent to say?
Kerry cleans up the electoral map in the Wall Street Fucking Journal's battleground states map.
Kerry has 14 out of 16 battleground states.
That's what's got the little boys in flopsweats. That's why they have to get a couple of corrupt poll-takers to manipulate the polling questions.
They know the truth. (And they call it hell.)
Strength and Wisdom!
Thanks, kent.
That was a quote from kent by the way. Which I agree with.
I wonder what *horrible* person could have done it
SWR
Yeah I (cough) wonder (cough) who could have done that : ) LOL
KERRY IS GOING TO WIN AND BIG-
my story and I am sticking with it.
bush IS GOING DOWN IN FLAMES.
You're damn straight! Look at every single fucking Bush event on C-Span. You can't find a *single one* that shows the camera long shot. Not a one.
Kate, I so noticed that in one of Bush's recent speeches. It was one angle shot toward him, and the camera never moved.
Yes, millions are going to vote for the Worst. President. Ever. For those who should know better, shame on them.
However, millions more will vote for Kerry.
Our next president.
Yes.
Kate, I so noticed that in one of Bush's recent speeches. It was one angle shot toward him, and the camera never moved.
He was trembling in fear when the Code Pink women broke in.
Has anyone seen Dr. Nick?
three degrees of separation to link it to the Kerry campaign.
Papertiger
on the surface a normal, rational human being would agree. but this is no longer a rational time; the constant fear drumbeat, the outright smears and attack-lies by the rethugs has lowered the standards; sometimes when your opponent wants to drop low into the gutter, you have to fight them there; just like the chimp did to mccain and the bush family does to everyone else
just because you're the richest guy in the room, it doesn't make you the smartest. nor does it make you the nicest guy in the room when you are the smartest.
the good news for kerry is that it's another texas moment in the flat state of denial; good luck, bobo, and say hello to preznut kerry
the fundies will never support this moron once all the dirt starts turning into mud
"Strength and Wisdom!
Thanks, kent."
Echidne
No problem, we are gonna be fine, and I have decided that I am gonna do a better job of cheerleading than that WIMP dubya ever did. Hope is on the way.
Thanks,Joshua
Join the Swagger Brigade
Baby Jesus doesn't like Rovettes.
KERRY IS GOING TO WIN AND BIG-
my story and I am sticking with it.
bush IS GOING DOWN IN FLAMES.
A moment of contrast today:
BUSH: And he showed no signs of distancing himself from the fiery convention speech by Democratic Sen. Zell Miller of Georgia, which even some Republicans said was a bit overheated. Bush was cheered as he hailed Miller as a "discerning Democrat."
EDWARDS: echoing Kerry's criticism of Friday's job-creation numbers. "They're going to try every way they know to put lipstick on this pig," the North Carolina senator told cheering supporters at a rally in a Green Bay amusement park. "But … at the end of the day, it's still a pig."
I'm pointing out that his attack piece
His attack piece?
Why is the truth an attack piece?
Bush should have served his country in his capacity when he had the chance. Instead, he fucked up.
Bush is a screwup. This was just another example.
Why the fuck do you defend him?
The Bushes certainly have done a mediocre job raising kids.
There was a much married woman who walked into a bridal shop one day and told the sales clerk that she was looking for a wedding gown for her fourth wedding.
"Well", replied the sales clerk, "exactly what type of dress are you looking for?"
The bride to be said:, "A long frilly white dress with a veil."
The sales clerk didn't know quite what to say but she finally said, "Frankly, madam, gowns of that nature are considered more appropriate for brides who are being married the first time-for those who are a bit more innocent, if you know what I mean?"
"Well" replied the customer, more than a little put out. "I can assure you that I am as innocent as the rest of them. Believe it or not, despite all my marriages, I remain as innocent as any first time bride."
"You see, my first husband was so excited about our wedding he died as we were checking into our hotel.
My second husband and I got into a terrible fight in the limo on our way to the reception and have not spoken since. We had that wedding
annulled immediately."
"What about your third husband?" asked the sales clerk.
"Well" said the woman, "he was a Texas Republican and every night for four years he just sat on the edge of the bed and told me how good it was going to be."
Yes, pie.
And then all the truth comes tumbling out. Investigations. Indictments.
That's what they're so freakin' scared of.
Y'all think Kerry didn't make friends in the Justice Dept (prosecutors), FBI, CIA, State Dept. etc. when he worked on bringing down BCCI and Iran/Contra before that?
There is internecine warfare going on as we write, within each agency. And there are TRUE PATRIOTS who will do what it takes.
I saw several patriots on C-Span today, including Joe Wilson and Paul Krugman, and Craig Ungar (? - House of Bush, House of Saud). Hearing Wilson speak brought tears to my eyes - Mr. Kate's too! And the cheering they got, standing ovations! There are real patriots out there, and the ones in the gov't agencies have been just waiting to put the shiv in the corrupt body of this administration. We have a ringside seat. (But don't stay sitting, register more voters!!!)
The Bushes certainly have done a mediocre job raising kids.
Fat infantalized white trash bimbos. I wouldn't fuck either of them with Bill Clinton's dick.
Attack piece?! Disprove Barnes' allegations, Paper.
The official Navy and Pentagon records plus testimony from Kerry's crew point out Swifties' lies. Are you saying the Navy and the Pentagon lie?
It's proven fact, and the records substantiate it, that Bush with his mediocre test scores skipped to the front of the list of more than 100 people waiting for TANG slots.
Bush was grounded after refusing to take a flight physical - the records substantiate that.
Also, not ONE person in Alabama can say they served with Bush. There is NO record of Bush reporting for duty, but he did go to the dentist. The records substantiate this.
There's a huge difference between Barnes' claims, and Bush and the Swifties' claims. The records substantiate it.
Learn the difference.
However, millions more will vote for Kerry.
Our next president.
Yes.
pie
Sing it sister, We have a righteous wind at our backs. They need a divided
country, we Don't
Tip o the hat to TOW, a swagger mod.
KERRY IN A LANDSLIDE!!
bush IS GOING DOWN IN FLAMES.
waitadamnminnthere....
so Barnes giving money to the Kerry Campaign is the same as the Swifty-liars getting money from the Bush Campaign?
thats crap,just another stupid troll lie.
try again toilet-tissue-tiger
Y'all think Kerry didn't make friends in the Justice Dept (prosecutors), FBI, CIA, State Dept. etc. when he worked on bringing down BCCI and Iran/Contra before that?
There is internecine warfare going on as we write, within each agency. And there are TRUE PATRIOTS who will do what it takes.
I would almost begin to assume, like many of us, that because Kerry is starting to show more of his nasty side the career lifers in the state and intelligence divisions will start to come out of the woodwork to do what they can to position themselves
it will start to get really interesting in the next two weeks if the Kerry camp keeps pressing the gas
(But don't stay sitting, register more voters!!!)
I'm going to make sure people exercise their right to vote.
This is the most important election in our lifetime.
Kitty Kelley book on Bush now ranked 13th Best-Selling Product at Amazon.com -- to be released Sept 14th.
Go to electoral-vote.com, and look at the individual state polls...each of the closest polls, those showing ties or weak bush and kerry leans- are by trend in kerry's favor.
Sunday, September 5 Meet the Press
Sen. Bob Graham, D-FL, fmr Speaker Newt Gingrich, R-GA & former presidential candidate Pat Buchanan (R) on White House race & Iraq. Plus Mary Matalin & James Carville
Now here comes Carville after Pat Buchanan? This is going to get real fun real soon!
Buchanan is beating the rethug party real hard these days and he needs to sell his ant-Bobo book!
"Fat infantalized white trash bimbos. I wouldn't fuck either of them with Bill Clinton's dick."
SWR
LOL May I suggest a correction? Not with
Rush Limbaughs Limpit on the end of a ten foot pole.
KERRY IN A LANDSLIDE!!
bush IS GOING DOWN IN FLAMES.
A diary at Kos says that the Pentagon is going to investigate the awarding of Kerry's medals.
Nothing political about it. Nope. No way.
>Sunday, September 5 Meet the Press
>Sen. Bob Graham
And Bob Graham has a book released Sept. 7th -- "Intelligence Matters".
dharma- bwahahaha! That was beautiful!
LOL May I suggest a correction? Not with
Rush Limbaughs Limpit on the end of a ten foot pole.
When was the last time that fat drug addicted pig even got an erection?
Think about it. Why did Andrew Sullivan come back from Provincetown all fired up and ready to take on the Republicans?
He probably got laid.
BTW, is Sue Schmidt related to this Bush campaig spokesman Steve Schmidt??
A diary at Kos says that the Pentagon is going to investigate the awarding of Kerry's medals.
Hmmmmmm...... That investigation should conclude in about, oh.... what, January 2006?
Joshua Davis, thanks that concers with my earlier understanding. Kerry is polling at 40% in my fuct tard stupid ass backward state of Indiana. (I do Love it though, beautiful in the southercentral part that I reside in)
Seriously folks very bad news for chimpy.
YEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAW
KERRY IN A LANDSLIDE!!
bush IS GOING DOWN IN FLAMES.
If I ever got polled (I haven't) I'd tell them I am 100% A-OK with Bush because he's a hero and I feel so safe with him in charge and I got lots of shiny new things with my tax cut, etc.
Fuck 'em over with stuff like that so they get smug and stay smug and think they've got it in the bag while we go about the business of trying to help Kerry put this country back together.
dharma - problem: we've been truly screwed for 4 years by the GOP...
syntallic -
I've believed for some time now that both Tenet and Pavitt have been singing like nightingales to Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald.
"When was the last time that fat drug addicted pig even got an erection?"
I was gonna use limp dick, but then a picture of Mr Limpit flashed into my pointy head and I ran with it. For those
uneducated, Don Knotts played a cartoon fish in a movie some time ago, gonna hit up google and see if anything comes up.
SWR that was funny as hell BTW
KERRY IN A LANDSLIDE!!
bush IS GOING DOWN IN FLAMES.
The increadible Mr. Limpet
KERRY IN A LANDSLIDE!!
bush IS GOING DOWN IN FLAMES.
When was the last time that fat drug addicted pig even got an erection?
Ask Daryn Kagen, she's dating him
Icky
KERRY IN A LANDSLIDE!!
TOW
Another look this one with Knotts and hopefully closed tag
You know, I like this Lockhart person. And I think Kerry's always known what sort of fight this was going to be. Remember when he was caught on tape telling someone that "These guys are just thw worst sort of lying..."? We got a give today with the Medicare increase and Kerry jumped right on it.
A diary at Kos says that the Pentagon is going to investigate the awarding of Kerry's medals.
Yeah, the Pentagon. They can't seem to discover who was responsible at Abu Ghraib or where the Halliburton's cooked books are stored.
They've *lost* Bush's records.
They had better not manufacture Kerry's.
Hear that, morons?
Ask Daryn Kagen, she's dating him
Icky
Ack. I wouldn't fuck her with Ann Coulter's dick.
Emily - I've been thinking along the same lines. I hope they get way overconfident from these polls - that could be sweet. Those fence sitters still leaning right, but with reservations, might just say "to hell with it," and decide they don't need to vote this time.
Joshua Davis, thanks that concers with my earlier understanding. Kerry is polling at 40% in my fuct tard stupid ass backward state of Indiana. (I do Love it though, beautiful in the southercentral part that I reside in)
jeez. even in Alabama Chimpy is only polling 54%.
Careful talking about Indiana that way though... about a year ago my little brother got yanked out of Brown County and shipped to friggin Minnesota.
Bush/Cheney receive 13-point margin bounce from convention.
Well, was it conveeeeeeenient that all those terra-warning came out during the Democratic convention to subtract from Kerry's bounce.
Narry a terra-peep during the Repubicon-con-con. Just the way it worked out, I'm so sure.
Face fact, even the R bounce is based on a lie about a lie about a lie.
"we've been truly screwed for 4 years by the GOP..."
NTodd
More like ten, by my reconing. just sayin.
KERRY IN A LANDSLIDE!!
bush, a single term of resident evil.
Why won't the "liberal" media ask for clarification?
Corporate-Run American Press = CRAP
From Josh Marshall
"Karen Hughes went totally apesh-t at the AP when that dispatch hit the wire.
She stormed up the bleachers and starting screaming at the AP writer (who took it in stride). "They didn't boo! Were you and I in the same rally! What is this crap?" or something along those lines (it was loud in there). The AP writer then canvassed his colleagues, who all said they hadn't heard any boos.
Say what you want about McClellan ("dreadful briefer," "talking points only"), I don't think he's ever screamed at a reporter."
Haha. I love it when this two-faced Bush-freak loses her facade. It's classic.
Her kind of people remind me of that book-burning woman at the town meeting in Field of Dreams.
Ask Daryn Kagen, she's dating him
Icky
Ack. I wouldn't fuck her with Ann Coulter's dick.
But would you if you were completely zonked on Oxy and had no hope of getting any otherwise?
"Careful talking about Indiana that way though... about a year ago my little brother got yanked out of Brown County and shipped to friggin Minnesota."
X. Patriate Hoosier
Please Splain, brother, I live in Monroe, and have ridden many a mile through your lovley county.
KERRY IN A LANDSLIDE!!
bush, a single term of resident evil.
"we've been truly screwed for 4 years by the GOP..."
NTodd
More like ten, by my reconing. just sayin.
I was never good at math.
Well, actually, I was, but I hate math, despite my college profs trying to get me to declare as a major...
NTodd
I'm right there with you, as a kid I planned on going to MIT to study cosmology, but well, lets just say that numbers got in the way of that plan. I still keep up with science but the humanities favor my strengths
KERRY IN A LANDSLIDE!!
bush, a single term of resident evil.
I've believed for some time now that both Tenet and Pavitt have been singing like nightingales
kate
i happen to believe that tenet has it out for these guys (chimpy and dr evil) because of how they rolled him into shaping the intelligence on iraq --- just an idle thought that came back to the surface
This Bush jackass IS going to get another try, if the latest Newsweek poll is any indication.
Kerry has let Bush define him. My sister knows Bush is a disaster, but says she doesn't "like" Kerry.
All of us knew that the Republicans would fight dirty and deceptively. Being polite like Al Gore makes you a loser. So why the fuck haven't the Kerry folks been playing hardball?
"Bush/Cheney receive 13-point margin bounce from convention.
Well, was it conveeeeeeenient that all those terra-warning came out during the Democratic convention to subtract from Kerry's bounce.
Narry a terra-peep during the Repubicon-con-con. Just the way it worked out, I'm so sure.
Face fact, even the R bounce is based on a lie about a lie about a lie.
- Zell on Earth "
This post says it all.
"Bush/Cheney receive 13-point margin bounce from convention.
Well, was it conveeeeeeenient that all those terra-warning came out during the Democratic convention to subtract from Kerry's bounce.
Narry a terra-peep during the Repubicon-con-con. Just the way it worked out, I'm so sure.
Face fact, even the R bounce is based on a lie about a lie about a lie.
- Zell on Earth "
This post says it all.
"Bush/Cheney receive 13-point margin bounce from convention.
Well, was it conveeeeeeenient that all those terra-warning came out during the Democratic convention to subtract from Kerry's bounce.
Narry a terra-peep during the Repubicon-con-con. Just the way it worked out, I'm so sure.
Face fact, even the R bounce is based on a lie about a lie about a lie.
- Zell on Earth "
This post says it all.
We cannot TRUST George W. Bush
Bush is a "FAILURE" as President
"The president and the Republican Party will say anything and do anything in order to try and get elected..."
- John Kerry
Over the past 4 years George W. Bush has distorted the truth with deceptive wizardry. TRUST is the basis of all relationships and Bush has been misleading the public, distorting fact, and contriving false realities on virtually every major issue.
His legacy on the U.S. economy is a MOUNTAIN OF DEBT. Since Bush took office in January 2001, the US economy has lost a net 1.1 million jobs and Bush is first Pres. since Herbert Hoover to have a net negative in jobs over 4 yrs. There are 44 million Americans without healthcare. The reasons for going to war with Iraq were based on lies and deceptions. Bush is worst environmental Pres. in history. You get the picture...
We gave him the benefit of doubt in 2000 but Bush has been dishonest and has NOT earned nor does he deserve the TRUST of the electorate for another 4 years.
George W. Bush is a "FAILURE" as President of the United States of America.
Reality Check: Gore/Leiberman almost beat Bush/Cheney in 2000. They won the popular vote by 583,000 and it came down to Florida...we know the story.
Now Bush/Cheney with an abysmal record of performance and lack of TRUST are facing a more talented and stronger ticket of Kerry/Edwards who can execute and deliver on a much better plan for America and Americans.
Apologies for the inadvertent triple post above, although the message does in fact bear repeating.
Personal -
You clearly have not been paying attention on this (or other) threads. The Newsweek poll has already been debunked for its crooked methodology. Try the WSJ Battleground States poll.
And you've not been paying attention to the Kerry camp lately.
Tsk, tsk. Or maybe you have, and you're trolling. Are you working on the late shift? We've already made mincemeat of a few of them. There's the mean-and-nasty, in-your-face, throwing feces variety. Then there's the "oh woe is me, the sky is falling" variety (do you belong to this group?) -- when you poke them with the long bar of reality, they often start lashing out like version #1. And then of course, there's the "Naderite," an old, old, old model.
Sigh. Is that the best they can do?
They're all playing Tokyo Rose.
Too bad we're listening to the old civil rights tune "Ain't gonna let nobody turn us 'round..."
I'm still amused that we are so much safer, when they can't even protect thier own convention in spite of the fact of so many extra security measures.
Kate<
I am IN the Kerry camp. I have donated more time an money than anytime in my life. Now have they suddenly started to FIGHT? Was I out at lunch?
And sorry, these threads are read by a miniscule audience. I'm talking about the message that is getting to the MASS audience by the corrupt media that allows this total fraud to contine.
FWIW, my wife unknowingly went to Chagrin Falls, Ohio today while The Jerusalem Candidate was having an appearance there. Chagrin Falls is a somewhat isolated and quaint town SE of Cleveland. Good schools, high property values and lots of restored victorian homes. There were nothing but Kerry signs in the yards. No Bush signs anywhere.
Cops said they bussed in Shrub's supporters from elsewhere!
All along the road side were people standing with Kerry signs. Guess they can't hide Kerry supports from him forever.
onzaga -
What does Rudy Giuliani care? His new security company had the bid on convention security.
Isn't it especially sweet that Rudy's fearmongering constitutes a financial conflict of interest?
The Republican Party: The Party of Conflicts of Interest
Drove into rural Southwest Michigan for the first time in a while. Expected Bush signs in what's a conservative area. Saw one. Saw many more Kerry signs.
Rock on.
Personal -
No offense, but you must not have been paying attention. You haven't been to Kerry's website, I guess. Have you seen the blog there? With all the fabulous, beautiful pictures? Showing huge, enthusiastic crowds. Stories of people weeping with HOPE, stories of people running down the road behind the bus as it pulls away, stories of people on the train and on the bus hearing the cheers and screams way ahead, long before they even pull into town?
Have you been reading the local newspapers in the towns where Kerry is campaigning? He's flying in under the radar. The local press reaction is fabulous. The towns are close to larger metropolitan centers, and the coverage spills over. He doesn't need the whorish national press.
Did you see his Thursday night Springfield Ohio speech? Fifteen thousand excited screaming people turned out at midnight on a week night. And he slammed into Bush but good. And they ate it up.
Have you seen what Kerry and Edwards and Lockehart and other campaign spokespeople have been saying since the end of HateFest?
I guess you did miss it.
If you're not a troll, accept my apologies.
But you really haven't been paying attention to the sources that really count. And really, you should check out the WSJ Battleground States Poll. Kerry ahead in 14 out of 16.
The two "bad news" polls have already been debunked for their crooked methodology.
Oh, and between Friday evening and Saturday night, over 4,000 tickets to Edwards' Monday speech in Kalamazoo, Mich., have been nabbed.
It's going to be at a park that could hold 2,000, if they don't mind being packed close.
Thanks, everybody, for the reports from the field.
Yup. Good news everywhere. In Reality-Land, that is.
Bubble Boy World is a different story entirely.
Oh, and between Friday evening and Saturday night, over 4,000 tickets to Edwards' Monday speech in Kalamazoo, Mich., have been nabbed.
It's going to be at a park that could hold 2,000, if they don't mind being packed close.
I wouldn't mind being packed close with Edwards. Giggle. I'm so ashamed. Not.
queen crab -
Loved that acronym, CRAP. I came up with SCUM myself, but CRAP's a really good one.
We cannot TRUST George W. Bush
Bush is a "FAILURE" as President
Over the past 4 years George W. Bush has distorted the truth with deceptive wizardry.
TRUST is the basis of all relationships and Bush has been misleading the public, distorting fact, and contriving false realities on virtually every major issue.
His legacy on the U.S. economy is a MOUNTAIN OF DEBT. Since Bush took office in January 2001, the US economy has lost a net 1.1 million jobs and Bush is first Pres. since Herbert Hoover to have a net negative in jobs over 4 yrs. There are 44 million Americans without healthcare. The reasons for going to war with Iraq were based on lies and deceptions. Bush is worst environmental Pres. in history.
You get the picture...George W. Bush is a "FAILURE" as President of the United States of America.
We gave Bush the benefit of doubt in 2000 with his compassionate conservative spin but Bush has not lived up to this expectation and has proved time and again that he has been dishonest with the American people for the past 4 years.
Bush has NOT earned our TRUST and has FAILED as a leader of America with his abysmal record of performance
Bush DOES NOT deserve a second chance as President for what would likely be more of the same misleading of the public, distorting fact, and contriving false realities on virtually every major issue.
Reality Check....
Gore/Leiberman almost beat Bush/Cheney in 2000. They won the popular vote by 583,000 and it came down to Florida...we know the story.
Now Bush/Cheney are now facing a more talented and stronger ticket in Kerry/Edwards who have the proven experience to execute and deliver on a much better plan for America and Americans.
There is NO WAY that the American electorate will be DUPED by the pro Bush US mainstream media, post RNC poll numbers, and most important by Bush/Cheney false hopes and platitudes and their ABYSMAL RECORD OF PERFORMANCE and LACK of TRUST with most of the electorate.
Kerry/Edwards will win on Nov 2 ( predicated of course on a reasonably fair election tally )
Ooops. Did I just make a boo-boo? Was it kent who came up with the acronym, or you, queen crab?
Either way, it was brilliant and deserves to be repeated in every thread.
CRAP = Corporate Run American Media = CRAP
Oh, kent - if you're still here?
I love your repeating "KERRY IN A LANDSLICE" in every post.
Mr. Kate started saying it after the Iowa primary, and it's really true.
Loved that acronym, CRAP. I came up with SCUM myself, but CRAP's a really good one.
SCUM is very appropriate too. SCUM, SCLM, CRAP: the atrocity is so huge, there's plenty of room for three acronyms, maybe more.
Whoops, "LANDSLIDE" is what I meant.
Wonder what a "landslice" is?
Kate, I came up with it but was delighted that kent used it.
queen crab -
Your crown is well-deserved. We crustaceons salute you!
Kate, I salute you back with all eight arms (legs?)
David Patterson, George W. Bush's convention bounce is 5 points less than George H. W. Bush's 1992 convention bounce. George H. W. Bush went from a 16% bounce to defeat in a few short months.
Dem's don't despair.
Why are Kerry/Edwards drawing campaign crowds of more than 20,000 in Akron, Ohio today, 25,000 in Tacoma WA, 50,000 in Portland and Bush/Cheney can only draw crowds of 5,000 tops ?
Do the local news and media in the Battleground States have a better depiction of the REAL story on this election ?
How much longer can the US mainstream news and some major polls put up a facade ?
Bush has been avoiding discussing the REAL issues up to now but the coward can no longer hide.
Kerry was saving his end game for right after the RNC. In fact, both Kerry and Edwards are great closers.
The pounding of the Bushie Boy has begun at precisely the right time !
Watch and Learn...
There is NO WAY that the American electorate will be DUPED by the pro Bush US mainstream media, post RNC poll numbers, and most important by Bush/Cheney false hopes and platitudes and their ABYSMAL RECORD OF PERFORMANCE and LACK of TRUST with most of the electorate.
Kerry/Edwards will win on Nov 2.
My first post here, folks. Take heart! Press on! We're going to win! I have been telling despairing Dems all year that W got all the votes he will ever get the last time around. There is no way all those people will support him this time. Add to that those who didn't bother to vote last time but are coming out this time expressly to dump W,and you've got a win. Yes, it has been a horrible ride. But we can do it!
I watched it go down here in Tallahassee, in 2000. Now my own mother, an "Eisenhower" Republican, is disgusted with the Bushes. And Jeb decided not to attend his own brother's convention. I have seen many Kerry bumper stickers and yard signs, and so far only one Bush/Cheney '04 sticker. People are angry, and they are going to vote W out of office.
KERRY-EDWARDS STEUBENVILLE OHIO RALLY
from http://blog.johnkerry.com
Saturday 9-4.
REPORT----We just got back from Steubenville Ohio EDWARDS-KERRY RALLY and let me tell you folks do not, do not be overly concerned over the polls ! It is in OUR grasp and WE can do it. Anyone who was there I am sure realizes this. Senator Kerry repeated that theme again and I am 100% convinced we are now UNSTOPPABLE ! Were probably had around 5,000 on had in Steubenville and Super, super energized for Senator Kerry. All cylinders.....
About 5,000 of us lasted about 3 hours thru humidity, very dark skies and heavy and I mean heavy downpours ! There were also lightening strikes hitting the surruonding hills mostly on the West Virginia side of the Ohio River. I'm talking huge lightening sky streaks. With the very loud thunder claps cascading down the mountains. So we are talking MAJOR storm but most of us hung tuff and I heard one person say that "The only thing gonna stop him from seeing Senator Kerry was a direct lightening strike !" I think he was kidding...? But anyway this is what we endured so 5,000 was fantastic. Before the impending storm, lines of people were stretched from 3rd and Market Bridge all the way back to near the Spot Bar on 4th...
Probably near 1/3 of the people left particularly after the lightening strikes and DRENCHING rain. Someone in the crowd shouted out, "Hey, should have wet T-shirt contest" ! I think that was the group coming out of the Roma Bar ! Hahaha What I am saying is that the crowd under these circumstances was phenomenal ! Could of easily been 10,000...
We had to walk past some small anti abortion groups but they were very organized and polite mostly college students. This was expected because we have two Catholic universities in the area. Franciscan University in Steubenville and Wheeling Jesuit in Wheeling W,Va. But was done nicely and the students very polite . No problems there. Very, very few dubya backers and they were not very vociferous.
cont.
Jefferson County Sheriff Abedella did the MC work. Many Lbor Unions well represented. In attendance Fingerhut, Kucinich, Didinato, Steubenville Mayor Mucci, Union Leader John Balzano ISG, Rep Greg DiDinato, Sen Ted Strickland and Legend fomer Ohio Senator John Glenn. With energized opening comments by Fingerhut, DiDinato, Mayor Mucci, Ted Strickland and John Glenn.
Crowd was whipped up and ready to rock the OHIO VALLEY when Senator Kerry took the stage. John Kerry is amazing and hitting on all cylinders right now. Senator Kerry talked about the issues and about everthing the republicans avoid. They have nothing they can defend for the past four as they have done nothing...I think the Senator hit just the proper balance between issues important to American families and exposing the absuridty of the smoke and mirror programs put forth by the republicans. He also LASHED OUT against the negative attacks about his ability to perform as commander and chief. He laid it out again that he volunteered and he was there when others choose not tooo ! ! I think a perfect balance. Senator Kerry knows exactly what he is doing and from crowd reaction to his two rallies I belive he is right on track.
I repeat--It is there and with Senator Kerry leading us we can take the WHITE HOUSE--NO QUESTION ! Senator Kerry again repeated that he needs our help and I see it out there--People are volunteering, donating money, making signs, whatever...
All the lies, all the negative attacks, no matter---It is blowing in the wind, conservative media, no matter ! THIS IS GONNA BE THE LARGEST GRASS ROOT WIN OF ALL TIME !
Posted by carolforkerry at September 4, 2004 11:56 PM
KERRY-EDWARDS STEUBENVILLE OHIO RALLY
I was there, and this is absolutely true! The rally was amazing.
I was shocked when WPXI (NBC) local Pittsburgh news reported "hundreds" attended the rally. KDKA (CBS) reported approx 5 thousand.
There were THOUSANDS of us there, and Kerry was fabulous.
Posted by gimmeabreak at September 4, 2004 11:59 PM
The Republicans wanted to try an honest campaign theme but they found the message:
"George and Barbara Bush want you to give their son another chance." didn't test too well.
People, these crowds Kerry is getting on his campaign stops pale in comparison to the numbers Clinton got back in 92.
According to his book, one of his largest crowds was the 1000 people he met in Portland.
C'mon. Say it again.
KERRY - LANDSLIDE!
Whoops, that was supposed to say Clinton had a crowd of "10,000 in Portland." Otherwise it just sounds ridiculous. lol
queen crab is indeed the author of CRAP, I was a happy witness to its birth on a previous thread.
Kate, glad that your lesser half agrees.
Screw CRAP, SCUM, SCLM, We is gonna win.
KERRY IN A LANDSLIDE!!!
bush one term resident of evil
When Kerry went to Nashville to speak to the American Legion, 2000 people showed up at the airport to see him arrive. Hundreds of people showed up to see him just go by on a Great Lakes ferry.
I don't know about everybody else, but I'm sick and tired of seeing "frist" as the first post on these threads.
Say something substantive, or shut the fuck up.
standa -
Thanks for bringing excerpts from the Kerry blog. And to everyone else here:
That's the place to get the REAL news on what's going down. It's truly remarkable. The pictures are worth thousands of words, as they show the many, many thousands of people who turned out. The campaign blog entries are great, they give even more details about the reception Kerry and Edwards are getting. Some of it is quite moving, people weeping in the crowd because it's the first time they've felt hope since January 2001. The mainstream media won't report it, but check out the evidence of your own eyes here:
http://blog.johnkerry.com
And if you sign up, you can take part in the blog discussion, which is quite wonderful. I just started posting there today, and it's a great community of very energized folks. It's a convenient way to get in touch with others in your own local community, too
And yes, there is some trollishness. Although it's the muted, demoralizing, "oh woe is me, what's wrong with the campaign" kind, not so much the in-your-face feces-flinging variety we know here. Just your typical "Tokyo Rose" function. I guess the the trolls there realize they'd probably draw too much attention to themselves if they acted in full thuggish mode. But people there, like here, seem to be aware of it for what it is, and will not be turned 'round in this great, momentous patriotic movement.
It (like the rest of the johnkerry.com website) is a perfect conduit for volunteering, too. Within moments of signing up, we received information on an upcoming Kerry party just a few miles from our house. We got in touch, and plan to attend, to meet more Kerry supporters and keep the energy and movement flowing. Volunteering can take numerous forms, even just e-mailing others with Kerry campaign information. Do your part in this historic movement!
Any honest media would be talking about the Day America Changed that occured last Sunday, with a half-million free Americans confronting the most fascist gov't in US history. That half-million stood for a hundred million plus, in every city in America.
And the R have only their 'Lying liars with new coats' campaign, and massive vote fraud. How subhuman!
Critical mass and evolution, versus Mengele's barking dogs.
--
You go, Doggies! Preach that righteous truth!
"Do YOU want a president who doesn't even know how the pieces on a chessboard move?"
Bush knows how the pieces move. He makes a wrong move, and then another wrong move, and when the other guy starts winning, he hits the guy in the forehead with his rook. Ha-ha-ha.
Dominance by force, including by instigating terrorist attacks, such as when Bush threatened Afghanistan with an October invasion, in July 2001.
And then went on vacation.
--
"Dominance by force, including by instigating terrorist attacks, such as when Bush threatened Afghanistan with an October invasion, in July 2001.
And then went on vacation."
"Ah, ah, ah don't believe in giving deadlines to dictators." (Chimpy McBush)
"Carpet of gold, or carpet of bombs."
"You hit my battleship!"
--
When exactly did we become a nation of Pollyannas?
When was it exactly that we said, a nation all speaking as one, "do not give us bad news anymore. We only want to hear about kitty-cats and fluffy lace pillows, and that we are good and kind and anyone that mentiond bad things is a deviant"?
When exactly was that? Was I sleeping?
I want a goddamn pessimistic government. I want a government that says "jobs are going the wrong way. Even if it is not certain it is because of our stupid tax cuts for the rich, deficit logarithmic increas, etc...let's reevaluate" and "even though it is unlikely BUT possible that global warming isn't caused by man, or even happening, let's be a little pessimistic here and act as if it were and see if we can do things to slow it down" or just LET'S LOOK HONESTLY AT FEEDBACK and see if thing jibe with our theories.
Like, we've been driving for 8 fucking hours, on a trip that ought to have taken 20 minutes....let's LOOK AT A FUCKING MAP and look at the countryside and see if any-fucking-thing matches....YA THINK???
No...it's MUCH better to just be little optimists and pretend we have a rosy future.
"Like, we've been driving for 8 fucking hours, on a trip that ought to have taken 20 minutes....let's LOOK AT A FUCKING MAP and look at the countryside and see if any-fucking-thing matches....YA THINK???"
he shoots...HE SCORES!
Earlier, in a morning conference call, the campaign's newest communications strategist, Joe Lockhart
Great. This is the one Dem spokesperson with balls. He's brilliant impromptu and doesn't bear fools gladly. He could take down babbling Carville in 5 seconds. Added bonus: that omega effect withering stare.
Wish they'd had him the minute Kerry locked up the nomination.
And when Kerry wins, make him press secretary. Don't waste time with the typical Dem loser. And hire Joe Conason and Bob Dailyhowler as his assistants.
Lockhart was very good on Stephanopolos this morning. Most encouraging is clear sign Kerry is going to play the Social Security card. What took them?
Tom Joad, I think it was in 1980, when Ronald Reagan campaigned on "Morning in America" and all the media ooohed and aaahed. Why listen to Jimmy Carter talking about the serious problems facing the nation when we could have Uncle Ronnie telling us that everything was lovely and we were number one and we never had to worry about anything ever again?
The size of his win turned "optimism" into received wisdom, and from then on, it's been all but political suicide to say that things aren't wonderful all the time.
But I agree with you. Damn it, we're adults. We can deal with serious issues, serious questions, and pretending that there's nothing wrong isn't going to make the things that are wrong go away. It's just going to make them fester to the point where we can't ignore them anymore.
In the Bush family, they call it a "let".
"Thank you sir, may I have another?"
I don't know about everybody else, but I'm sick and tired of seeing "frist" as the first post on these threads.
Say something substantive, or shut the fuck up.
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I am glad your world is so perfect that this is the worst thing you have to complain about. It has become a custom. It does not hurt anything.
Nora,
Reminds me of that creepy Twilight Zone where the little boy uses thought to blow up people, turn them into rabbits, etc.
All the inhabitants of the area are really careful not to say anything negative because he picks up on it and that's when "the bad stuff happens"...
"but it's FINE that Uncle Don's legs fell off...really, it's really, really fine, isn't it?"
The bounce is due to the convention and the Olympics. It is great to be an American. This artificial high will go away in a week or so and people will be reminded that we are indeed "going in the wrong direction." If Kerry can get it together, and stop defending his actions of 30 years ago and concern himself with the problems of today, by hammering away at all the things that are wrong here at home, health insurance, unemployment, the day to day living stuff, not the "terrorist" boogie man stuff he will win.
notice,
I can't say for all pf the rallies, but at the midnight Springfield rallies, the Union members were in the crowd wearing red t-shirts, cheering and waving their arms.
I tend to agree with you, kerry should bring them out of the crowd. In fact, he should bring them up on stage and surrounded by burly unemployed union guys challenge Arnold to come call them girlie men to their faces.
At any rate, you are boring us with inanities.
finni
Susan et al,
For a visual argument of much the same, see:
http://
georgewhackamole.blogdriv...Whackamole.html
Its simple. Bush wants a Mulligan.
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