I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Planning a trip to Orlando. hope it's still there. I have freinds there, too. They are in my prayers.
Hello Everyone.
Daschle!
pelosi.
Hope this deosn't become an excuse, or a photo op, but a real response...
OXYCONTIN!!
Do you know just how hard it is to score some oxycontin during a hurricane??
Ladies and Gentlemen, can you say jonesin!?
Don't worry, Rethuglican Floridians, the evil fed'ral gub'ment will be providing disaster relief to all you girlie-men who think government is the solution when a disaster beyond your control strikes your family and you're too big of a wuss to rebuild your own house with your own two bare hands.
"Teresa Heinz Kerry taken to Mason City hospital; presidential candidate’s wife complains of backache, feeling light-headed"
First Clinton. Now THK. WTF?
does anybody know when exactly the Swiftboaters began their attacks? I'm researching a theory.
Daryn Satan is now on CNN prattling with glee about the hurricane, talking about all the festive "Hurricane Parties" at Rush's mansion in Palm Bee-yotch.
Teresa Heinz Kerry taken to Mason City hospital
Link?
Take care, Fla.!
From MO DO
The Manichaean Candidate's convention was a brazen bizarro masterpiece. The case to sack John Kerry featured the same shady tactics used to build the case to whack Saddam - cherry-picked facts, selective claims and warped contexts.
W. took a page from Arnold Schwarzenegger's "Total Recall," a futuristic movie about inserting fully formed memories into the minds of unsuspecting victims.
The president and vice president ignored all the expert evidence now compiled indicating no link between 9/11 and Saddam, and no Saddam threat to U.S. security. After talking about "the fanatics who killed some 3,000 of our fellow Americans," Dick Cheney boasted: "In Iraq, we dealt with a gathering threat, and removed the regime of Saddam Hussein."
Though the convention mythologized Mr. Bush's bullhorn moment at ground zero, there was no mention of Osama, the fiend W. vowed to catch that day. The speakers did not acknowledge the brutal spiral in Afghanistan and Iraq, or the re-emergence of the Taliban, now finding sanctuary with our ally, Pakistan.
Mr. Cheney, king of hooey, bragged about a "Taliban driven from power," even though just as the convention got under way, at least seven people, including two Americans, were killed by Taliban fighters in Kabul.
Don't know if anyone has chimed in about this, but the unrealistic new poll numbers can work in Kerry's favor. He will come from behind and look like a fighter the way he did in the primaries.
Haven't heard this talked about, WHY?
This is the first time since the early years of our Country that a father and son have been president.
WHY DIDN'T BUSH Sr. Speak ?
It's a real slap in the face to his father for Bush Jr. not to have his own father, a former President, speech at his convention.
Anybody else find the noticeable drop in US casualties in Iraq coinciding with the Republican Convention suspicious? Did the generals purposely (or under order) confine the troops to bases to ensure that Iraq stayed (and will stay for the next 2 months)in the background even as the place descends further into a Somalia-esqe anarchical state? And the report the Bin Ladin will be captured soon ... anyone else's bullshit detector on red alert?
Teresa had a heart attack?
If ever there was a question about whether the fall Presidential campaign was going to descend into the gutter, there isn't anymore. Via Swimming Through the Spin and The Blogspirator, I found two more organizations that apparently intend to attack Kerry rather viciously (but not, in my opinion, unfairly).
The first, a group calling itself Stolen Honor and operating a web site at www.stolenhonor.com, exists for the purpose of producing a documentary about John Kerry's "behavior during the Vietnam war era." Clips from the yet-to-be-completed documentary can be found here.
The second is a 527 organization called Move On For America (a satiric take on a less Bush friendly 527 group), and it plans to air TV ads that link Kerry to: (1) the parole of a would-be cop killer; and (2) Al Sharpton. Both ads are available for viewing at the group's web site.
Although Move On For America will be easy for the Kerry campaign to attack as a partisan and, perhaps, less than fully honest group, Kerry will have to be very, very careful in his response to the men giving testimony in the Stolen Honor production. The Swift Boat Veterans for Truth have already done some damage, and the men in Stolen Honor could well destroy Kerry's chances entirely (particularly if several of them are either Democrats or non-partisan).
I look forward to watching the fallout and the counterattacks, particularly if Kerry and his associated 527s take Susan Estrich's advice. Simply stated, if Democratic activists start calling Bush and/or Cheney alcoholics and accusing Bush of paying for an abortion more than 20 years ago, Kerry is finished. Those types of attacks will look small and petty when contrasted with the legitimate questions raised about Kerry's Vietnam-era behavior, particularly when serving in Vietnam appears to be -- according to Kerry, anyway -- Kerry's primary qualification for the Presidency. Pay attention folks, this is going to be fun.
just read about the immenent capture of bin-Laden and I'm pissed. the repugs have gamed the system and are hell bent on destruction of an honest democracy.
congratulations, fuckers. may you all rot in hell.
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Don't know if anyone has chimed in about this, but the unrealistic new poll numbers can work in Kerry's favor. He will come from behind and look like a fighter the way he did in the primaries.
Absolutely, the scare tactics of the rebugs against John Kerry will not last.
THK hospitalized:
http://www.globegazette.com/live...st_news/
br1.php
I have been ruminating about the poll numbers released by TIME and NEWSWEEK and have reached a couple of conclusions:
One: While these numbers may not be entirely bogus, they are certainly far from the reality that is all around us. To think that major newsmagazines would lie to us is (Considering their lack of discipline for reporting FOR the administration) probably pretty reasonable.
Two: I find their timing to be extremely suspect. To claim so much so soon is probably not a reasonable position as well.
Three: I really do not care. I believe that CW is kind of out of the window on this sucker. I believe George will win his base, but there will more voters participating than "normal" and these people will not be there to support the status quo.
Clinton faking heart trouble???? Anybody in LA can hear this now by Wayne Resnick on 640 KFI. He can't be alone. Has there been other wingnuts implying this??
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Maybe this group should do a couple of ads on Bushco Sr's pardoning of Orlando Bosch, a terrorist who blew up a plane load of innocent people, and the pardoning of Cap Weinberger.
A few of connections here - terrorism, drug cartels, Iran-Contra, and BCCI.
The Bush's are mired in it. Kerry brought it down.
Like Kerry says, "Bring it on!"
Has anyone bothered to watch the fake MoveOn ads? The anti-Kerry ads? I'd hate to give them any additional hits, it'd just boost their egos.
TOW
Thought you all might appreciate my post on the delightful folks behind Muslims for Bush:
With Friends Like These ...
I wonder if the cable "news" channels could stop with the death and destruction tabloid t.v. long enough to at least report that Teresa has been taken to a hospital?
According to AP she went through some tests and was released.
She's at her home in Penn. John went to join her.
Ellis Wyatt, Kerry only needs to remind everyone what a fuckup Bush is. How he's trashed the economy. Huge deficits. Seniors paying more for health coverage.
And terrorism?
Oy. Thanks to him, we have more people who hate us.
Bush is going to get us all killed!
Boot Bush before it's too late!
Bush senior also commuted the sentence of a heroin trafficker named Aslam Adam. He'd served 8 years of a 55 year federal sentence. DaddyBush did this on the way out of the Oval Office in Jan. 1993. I wonder why...
TOW
Ellis Wyatt (Right)
Go play in the street for a while. I am old enough to remember that time: so are all of us who tried to stop the crazy war and who have only our friends' names emblazoned on that black wall in Washington. I am so tired of the right wing nuts in the country. Why not hold a seance to see if you can bring back Joe Pyne and Carl McIntyre?
Have you watched the testimony a young man named John Kerry gave to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee? I found him to be erudite and absolutely fearless.
Having sat with my friends whose lives were ruined in VietNam: I am tired of that stinking war. When you speak of such things I think of my friend Wake who is in and out of the VA hospital for months at a time. . . still. We used to sit for hours talking of what we had seen. Wake was a tough man. He still cries over the things he had to do to stay alive. You want to bring up that fucking war? You bastard. Are you going to give men like Wake (men who served in the Special Forces as forward bombing spotters) their peace? Or you just going to drag up the entire mess again? Men are not supposed to kill other men without reason. It is against our personal codes of honor. When we do it, the consequences are lifelong.
Could this be true:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/...05/
ixworld.html
Pentagon to check Kerry war record
By Julian Coman in Newark, Ohio
(Filed: 05/09/2004)
In a fresh blow to John Kerry's flagging presidential campaign, the Pentagon has ordered an official investigation into the awards of the Democratic senator's five Vietnam War decorations.
News of the inquiry came as President George W Bush opened an 11-point lead over his rival - the widest margin since serious campaigning began - according to the first poll released since last week's Republican convention.
...
In an angry statement from the Kerry campaign headquarters, Michael Meehan, Mr Kerry's senior adviser, condemned the navy probe as an expensive waste of the Pentagon's resources.
"The facts are clear," said Mr Meehan. "The navy awarded John Kerry the Silver Star, a Bronze Star with Combat V and three Purple Hearts. This is a waste of taxpayers' dollars and the Pentagon's time, especially during wartime."
The inquiry comes at the end of the worst week of Mr Kerry's campaign. The poll showing an 11-point lead by President Bush, to be published in this week's Time magazine, was taken during the first three days of the Republican Convention in New York, which featured repeated direct attacks on Mr Kerry as an unreliable candidate for the role of Commander-in-Chief during the war on terror.
Having sat with my friends whose lives were ruined in VietNam: I am tired of that stinking war.
Of course, Ellis hasn't been personally affected.
And so, Ellis could care less.
Asshole.
I'm in Orlando right now, and we are supposed to get hit with 70mph + winds early early Sunday morning.
I'm sleeping in my bathroom with my cat, my dog, and a baby squirrel I rescued after Hurricane Charley. Slap down some mad repartee for me. My power will likely be out soon.
And if you need t-shirts (plug plug) check out cafepress.com/thinkvote. I'm donating all proceeds to the DNC.
take care peeps,
According to AP she went through some tests and was released.
She's at her home in Penn. John went to join her.
I found out at Fox News website, I hope it's Real Unbiased News, unlike the other stuff they put out all too often on cable.
Mike, stay safe.
We're thinking about you all.
You're all in my thoughts tonight Mike. I have a good friend in the Melbourne area tonight. Very worried about her. Take care.
The Torygraph piece is shitty reporting.
Judicial Watch (i.e. Larry Klayman) filed suit to force the Pentagon to open an inquiry. That's all.
And dear Ellis Wyatt: you sure are a cuntbag. The DNC thanks you for the $50 donation you procured.
The Telegraph.
Hahahahahahaha.
Neil, learn how to do a link, will ya?
Or are you too stupid?
The thing about the Silver Star is CRAP. NO one in the military fills out their own DD214. If the error is there it is the Dept. of Navy personnel who made the error, not John Kerry. Just another piece of garbage to get my b/p up.
In a fresh blow to John Kerry's flagging presidential campaign, the Pentagon has ordered an official investigation into the awards of the Democratic senator's five Vietnam War decorations.
So now we put to bed the swift boat crap once and for all. And in the mean time we find out more about Bobo and his magical mystery tour in Alabama.
Let's see what happens -- the journalistic record backs up Kerry and the awards are legitimately earned according to military records.
this is another of those "if it's being investigated there has to be a smoking gun" stories. the official word will come after the election is official -- when has the government ever pulled off an investigation in 60 days?
this is so pathetic you can still see bobo's training wheels leaving the scene of the crime
Um, Stolen Honor is being put together by Carlton Sherwood, who also wrote a glowing book about the Unification church and how misunderstood they are.
Yeah, that's gonna be taken seriously! Ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!
Neil,
Connect the dots: American casualties in Iraq precipitously low ... Bin Ladin capture "soon" ... Pentagon investigation into Kerry's medals ... Diebold ... welcome to Bertram Gross's Friendly Fascism. You can no longer fight the power. The game has totally been rigged.
I hope there are no deaths in Florida.
The John effin Kerry meltdown continues. SBVT ads, the new 527 ad coming out, down in the polls, and now, THK. Was it an overdose of Valium?
four legs good and other Central Texas Atriosians, just in case you hadn't heard, there will be a Democrat in the 10th Congressional race, more info here
the Repug that's running is a total wingnut, so it might be a race we can pick up depending on Big John's coat-tails
Mike, I hope you and your critters stay safe!
TOW
I'm feeling really lonely tonight. I'll blow all the fellas that can get to my house in the next hour.
The game has totally been rigged.
robert mcnamara
I think it's Karma!
Usamabinlazy, now I know you're going down.
You are sick. Truly sick.
why is it so bad that osama gets hauled in? this is a big story that gets tons of attention, for sure, but at some point the election is still going on (two to three days of coverage at best) and then what does bush have to run on?
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still thinking?
Oh! How sweet, I have a stalker now!
I won't bite.
binlazy, you wretched cunt ... make like an unprincipaled Norman Morrison. I'll supply the gasoline and matches.
You know, when trolls show up here and tell us how terrible it will be if Kerry attacks Bush, well, I gotta laugh. And then I gotta believe Kerry should attack Bush. Was in a case once with an opposing lawyer who'd call me up and tell me what a bad idea it would be for me to file such and such a motion or to make such and such an argument. We used to laugh and call him the Man Who Telegraphed Everything. He lost, BTW.
it's too bad that haloscan doesn't post your IP Address along with your nickname
i could have some real fun flooding and attacking usama -- would almost feel like knocking off the real usama
Why is that most rich "liberal" women got their money from being married to a conservative? Good conspiracy theory material there! LMFAO
Thanks for reminding us that OBL escaped the clutches of the
Worst. President. Ever.
Ok really O.T. but important news:
Arkansas 63
New Mexico St. 13
How bout those HOGS!!
Wouldn't it be funny if bin Laden was found, and no one cared? After all, our pResident stopped caring about finding him over 2 years ago. He said so!
Why should we?
KERRY IN A LANDSLIDE!!
TOW
meanwhile 340 people were killed in a russian school...more than half of them children. this story is too horrible to bear. what a mess the world is in.
Arkansas 63
we'll cheer for you if you can turn that state to the kerry color - otherwise, who cares?
Melbourne, Sebastian, and Vero Beach are about to take the brunt. The forward motion of Frances has slowed and it will take twelve hours to get past those cities. Winds in excess of 100+ during that time. Your friend, and everyone else down there, are in my thoughts.
Geez, I wish I'd stayed in Austin.
I believe the new investigation of Kerry's medals was requested by our friends at judicial watch and has something to do with an erroneous notation made by the Navy. No big deal. Those who were going to be swayed by this nonsense have already been swayed. More of the same just disgusts those in the military and soccer moms.
Why is that most rich "liberal" women got their money from being married to a conservative?
Who would that be, little man?
I guess I should feel sorry for you, because you don't have the love of a good woman.
I need attention. I need attention. I need attention. Mommy Daddy Mommy Daddy. I need you all to pay attention to me. Freepers won't play with me so I'm trying my best to piss you all off so they'll let me play with them again.
Did I say that out loud?
The Telegraph. Heh. Makes the CRAP look legitimate.
Why is that most rich "liberal" women got their money from being married to a conservative?
The more accurate question is: "why do so many conservative men think with their dick and then get surprised that when they can't please their wives they revert to "liberal" causes to get even?
I think it's called philanthropy with a built in excuse.
Maybe Usamabinlazy is a woman.
Well, you still need love.
Maybe Usamabinlazy is a woman.
try: cross-dresser.
that turban on its head is a carmen miranda fruit bowl
I propose an "Ignore the Brownshirt" day. Starting at midnight.
After John Kerry wins,what will be the price of the support of leftists like me ?How about raising the number of Supreme Court justices from nine to twenty seven and nominating 25 year old Berkely Law School graduates to the newly created vacancies.?That should fuck the right wing til the year 2100.I can dream cant I?
I guess the torch has been passed to those of us who are old enough to remember what the late sixties were like. It is not pleasant to remember. Gary - a macho kid who enlisted as a Marine before high school was completed. He lasted less than a year before he was dead. Gary, the good guy who loved to play football and act crazy. My friend. His father sold his business and lost himself in a bottle till he died.
or
Ron who once helped me in a fight in elementary school. A quiet kid who never would hurt anyone but always stood up for the underdog. Lasted less than two years before being killed. I drive by his house occasionally and . . .
Or
One of my best friends Tony. I had the money to go to college, Tony was going to join me after he joined the service so he could get some money. Guess the only place to see him now is in the graveyard or his name on the wall.
Or Emrick: killed himself three months after returning to Michigan from VietNam.
or
Fat Jack
or
Carl
or
or
or
I still live in my hometown. When I drive around town, I still see the places where I knew these people. Good guys. Friends. Dead. For what? The glory of greedy corporations?
War can only be justified as a last resort to defend ourselves or our friends. War is not something glorious, it is death and all that attends it. These are a couple of lines from my latest book, I think they are appropos "We walked through what used to be white snow. Instead of the purity of brightness that snow usually presents, we saw mud and blood and bodies lying everywhere. My father got a disgusted look on his face and turned to me and said, “Look, son, this is the face of war. Learn it and know it. It is not glory. It is death.” I never forgot his words."
SOLDIERS IN A BAR- SUPPRESSION IN THE RANKS
This is the full account of the soldiers in the bar from last night. If you respond, please email me so I can be sure to read it. This thread moves pretty fast.
Last night I had the craziest experience of my life. I went out to the bar for a couple of beers. I saw two soldiers at the end of the bar and one grabbed a martini glass from the ceiling and told the other to hold it under the bar. We began talking and I was interested in their service. I asked them where they had toured. The younger told me how he had served one tour in Iraq and was headed for his second. The other was headed for his first. I asked the younger guy about Iraq and he began. The other jumped in and started to tell me how the military works here. I said, I know that, I was wondering what it was like in Iraq. The younger told me of how it was hard to see someone you know holding their guts and crying for their mother. He stressed that three times. He told me how it was told that If your friend is shot in the neck to put their finger in the wound. He told me how they had to go back for a guaranteed year. A full year in a war, and that was the minimum. He told me how they had initally signed up for 30,000 dollars for school expecting a weekend a month and two weeks a year. The other began to interrupt again. Somehow, I let it slip that I didn't think that they should be over there. The younger looked as though I had said something wrong. I told them, "no, I support what you are doing, and wish you the best over there." The older, out of shape one came over and proceeded to call me democrat and told me how Clinton had gutted the military. That the Republican party was the party who traditionally gave raises, how the democrats would cut and run and they would be out of jobs, and how they had signed their life away to the President no matter who was in power. I continued my questioning, desiring to know everything that I could from the streets of Iraq. The first told me how as they arrived in Iraq they were assigened to an Iraqi that they would serve with. The second told me how the Iraqi Govt forces would be killed at a much higher rate than Americans. While I assured him that I knew the statistics of the soldiers v the iraqis being killed, he continued to dominate the conversation. He told me how they would be their for months on end, and would be lucky to be home by December of next year. I assured him that I was well aware of the situation in which they had been placed. He continued how President Bush was a man that was supporting the growth of the military. The older one told the younger one to bum a 2 cigarettes from the table of girls next to us. With a stern look on his face, he sent the obviously ordered soldier to get him a smoke. When he returned the older, drunk superior wandered off.
SOLDIERS IN A BAR PART II
The younger began to tell me that he had been in Falluja and that I probably didn't know what it was like there. I told him that I know that it is a hotbed which we have pretty much conceded, but I couldn't imagine how it truely was. He said that I was pretty much right. He told me that as you enter the city there are orange cones marking the spots where troops would come under fire. He said that a man would stand to the back with a stopwatch to time how often the shots would come. He was in Recon, and showed me his "Recon" tattoo on his chest. The other had returned and interrupted to tell me how they would potentially be in Iraq through next December. He pressed on me to think of them there, while I was here in a bar drinking. I told him that I thought of them every night, and was most thankful for all that they did, no matter how bad a situation it was. In recon, their job is to go ahead of the convoys, sometimes sending in troop positions, but primarilly looking for IEDs. The younger told me how he was responsible for removing the rocks covering these devices. He said that sometimes the enemy would be by for an ambush and then detinate the mine wiping out the first two vehicles. He was again cut off by the elder to tell me how the Republicans were the ones that traditionally gave them raises. He pressed how they would be out of work if Kerry is elected. The first offered to buy me a drink. I told him no and that I wanted to buy them a drink because I was enjoying their stories and I had a few questions for them. They sat. The first grabbed a pen and began to write. I thought that he was paying his tab. The drunk soldier came over and began talking to me. Pushing his positions. I asked how the people in the military were planning on voting. The younger told me how it was a weird situation, he began. The older cut him off saying, "90% Republican." I said, "really." The other interjected, "You can't be in the military and not be Republican," while showing true angst in his face. He continued to write. The other pressed the raise issue again, and how the Dems want to cut pay. I told him how I would support any help for the troops that they need. The younger looked at me and under his breath he said, "I know." The other walked off again and the other told me,"Do not believe anything that he said, He is wasted." The other returned and asked me to join them at Applebee's for another round. The other hidden behind him gave me an unmistakable signal to say no. He cut his hand under his throat and silently said, "You don't want to go." The other walked off after I declined, and the first again tried to buy me a drink. The other returned, and the younger handed me the card on which he had been writing. It was written sloppily, I think maybe in hopes that the other would be unable to read it. From what I can decipher he wrote, "thank you for the care and interest for me
SOLDIERS IN A BAR PART III
It was written sloppily, I think maybe in hopes that the other would be unable to read it. From what I can decipher he wrote, "thank you for the care and interest for me and my men, Lt. Marquess. S IC Edwards (Pretty sure it says SIC, but I am not positive, the elder did a number on the ranks). We got your drinks all night." Now i read it and was not sure what it said at first. I am an attorney and felt that I could not accept his buying my drinks when he is risking his life for money for college. I told him that was unnecessary. The other grabbed the note and attempted to read it. He said, "this guy lied about our rank. We are equals." He proceeded to change the rank on the card to Sgt Marquess, and Sgt Edwards. He then told me that he would rewrite the note so I could read it. His reads, "To Shaun, Thanks for the stiff drinks, don't forget us, Sgt. Marquess, Sgt. Edwards, RECON!!!" I began to see a weird body language from the younger. He again said under his breath to not listen to ANYTHING that the other guy said because he was wasted. He tried to sneak 5 bucks around the bar to me for my drinks. I refused. I continued to ask about Iraq, and asked if he had been in the Kurdish North. He said that he had, but the other cut him off and he began spouting his message. He told me to keep that card and to think of how he and his men would be in Iraq soon. He again made the younger to bum cigarettes from the ladies at the next table. He returned and the other left and he told me how he wanted to buy my drinks. I told him that I was going to buy theirs. He said that he was so happy with my interest in what they were doing. I said, "I bet you guys get drinks bought for you every night." "We are lucky to have one bought each night," he replied (shocking coming from Republican Mississippi). I told him that I hoped that he knew that every Democrat was thankful for what he was doing. That we wanted to give them everything that they needed. That his job was safe since we are obviously with insufficient troops at this time in the world. He told me that he knew. He again told me not to listen to anything that the other said. The other returned and ask, "What did he say to you." I told him how he told me that Republicans were the ones who would give the military raises. It had become apparent that he was there to monitor what he was saying. The body language of the younger guy made it clear that they were not particularly on the same page. Several times he would cut his hand under his chin. Or give me strange eyes. The other left again, and I said to him, "Is this what I think it is?" He didn't ask me what I was talking about, he didn't ask me what I thought that it was. He made a face and said that I should not believe ANYTHING the other guy said because he was wasted. I said, Is this what I think it is. I said, wink at me if this is what I think it is.
SOLDIERS IN A BAR PART IV
Or give me strange eyes. The other left again, and I said to him, "Is this what I think it is?" He didn't ask me what I was talking about, he didn't ask me what I thought that it was. He made a face and said that I should not believe ANYTHING the other guy said because he was wasted. I said, Is this what I think it is. I said, wink at me if this is what I think it is. He never denied my suspisions.He simply said with a blank face, "It's not what you think it is." I laughed, figuring it out more and said, "wink at me if this is what I think it is." Again, he never acted surprised by my comment which I thought would make a stranger question what the hell I was talking about. He again said, "It's not what you think it is." Again he told me to disregard everything that the other said. As they winded up their final drinks, I told the bartender to put their drinks on my tab. The younger walked off. When he returned they were about ready to go. He thanked me agian for my interest. The older out of shape soldier hugged me in a freaky kind of way and kissed my neck. I made a face at the younger and he responded with his own. The younger of the two shook my hand about 5 times. The first continued to press on me not to pay attention to the other guy, while telling me that hopefully I would see him at the bar at a later date. Thanking me. I thanked them both and told them that I wished them a safe tour and a quick return. As they began to leave, a lady in the bar began calling them out for the martini glass. The older gave the younger a stern look, and he looked to the ground as he smuggled the glass out at the behest of his superior. It was so sad. I hope that the soldiers are not afraid to vote Dem on their ballots. Threats of Falluja could possibly sway my vote. If that is the case, what a freedom they are fighting for. THe older had told me how he worked at the Sheriff's Dept in TN with the younger guys mother. Immediately I had thought that this was possibly another way to control him. I am not the type to freak out about somehting like this, but I trembled after the encounter. I came immediately home and began to write notes about my experience. One that I know that I will never forget, but I didn't want to lose any of it. I don't know what was being surpressed. I assume it is the general conditions over there. Maybe he had a reputation of telling things. Maybe he saw things that are not wanted to be known in the public. Regardless, It was obvious that the other guy was there monitoring him. I got the younger guy's email. I hope to receive a response from him, but don't know if that is monitored as well. At the end of the night, my drinks were paid for. Obviously not somthing that I would expect from someone if they didn't appreciate my opinions. If I learn more, I will share. Now, Does anyone know if this is commonplace? Am I crazy?
SOLDIERS IN A BAR- Conclusion
Please email me if you have information or questions or similar stories. This is the most horrible realization that I ever had. The extent the government will go to suppress the truth. I just need some help with figuring this out. I also have no medium to get this word out if it is not already well known. Please let people know what is going on. Thanks for your time!!!!!
Sincerely
Shaun Cade
Wouldn't it be funny if bin Laden was found, and no one cared? After all, our pResident stopped caring about finding him over 2 years ago. He said so!
They're setting us up for that.
I'm in Sarasota, Florida. I've been hunkered down mentally for the last four hours with choice DVDs (Tarzan and His Mate, Pygmalion, Jaws),
and to see this storm moving at a mere 5-7 mile-per-hour, really irks me. Nature! You Inconvenience me!
Ok really O.T. but important news...
Isn't this an open thread?
Dances With Donkeys --
Thank you. My best friend in high school, Ricky, was drafted weeks after his 18th birthday. Killed in Action right after his 19th birthday.
It is because we remember those fine souls that we want to spare this generation more of the same.
It's what John Kerry knows, too. And why we need him now.
We cannot TRUST George W. Bush
Bush is a "FAILURE" as President
"The president and the Republican Party will say anything and do anything in order to try and get elected..."
- John Kerry
Over the past 4 years George W. Bush has distorted the truth with deceptive wizardry. TRUST is the basis of all relationships and Bush has been misleading the public, distorting fact, and contriving false realities on virtually every major issue.
His legacy on the U.S. economy is a MOUNTAIN OF DEBT. Since Bush took office in January 2001, the US economy has lost a net 1.1 million jobs and Bush is first Pres. since Herbert Hoover to have a net negative in jobs over 4 yrs. There are 44 million Americans without healthcare. The reasons for going to war with Iraq were based on lies and deceptions. Bush is worst environmental Pres. in history. You get the picture...
We gave him the benefit of doubt in 2000 but Bush has been dishonest and has NOT earned nor does he deserve the TRUST of the electorate for another 4 years.
George W. Bush is a "FAILURE" as President of the United States of America.
Reality Check: Gore/Leiberman almost beat Bush/Cheney in 2000. They won the popular vote by 583,000 and it came down to Florida...we know the story.
Now Bush/Cheney with an abysmal record of performance and lack of TRUST are facing a more talented and stronger ticket of Kerry/Edwards who can execute and deliver on a much better plan for America and Americans.
Have you heard the news? Ben Barnes, former Lt. Gov. of Texas, has come forward and taken responsibility for getting George W. into the Texas Air National Guard. You can find the article in the Washington Post. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp...9-
2004Sep3.html
Or see the video yourself at http://www.austin4kerry.org/Barn...arnes/
index.htm.
Shaun,
Thanks for telling us about your evening. I have no idea if that's common or not, but it doesn't surprise me.
TOW
Standa: I worked the Aug 31 elections as a part of Election Protection. There are still numerous voting irregularities going on in Florida. Election Protection needs more volunteers to make sure that what happened in 2000 doesn't happen in 2004.
I worked with a Puerto Rican woman from NY. I asked her about the stat that Hispanics mostly vote Republican. She said it was mostly Cubans who voted Republican in Florida, to support American pressure on Fidel Castro. Politics in Florida is a strange beast.
Wow! Mary Garth was on yesterday, and now Fred Vincy. At this rate, it's only a matter of days before Edward Casaubon shows up (ick!) or Will Ladislaw (yummy!)
i know this sounds cold, but the one positive of the 24/7 hurricane coverage is that it prevents the endless dissection of the newsweek/time polls by the gasbags.
She said it was mostly Cubans who voted Republican in Florida....
Yeah Mike, and w fucked himself there, "big time."
Advice from Susan Estrich??????
Let's see, her last major foray into national politics was as campaign manager for Michael Dukakis against you know who. Oh Yea, that worked out really well. It's a real good idea to take advice from that bitch.
Does anyone know if this is commonplace? Am I crazy?
Shaun Cade | Email | Homepage | 09.04.04 - 11:04 pm | # ......................................If you arent a soldier,you are not one of them.Get it through your head firmly.They consider your opinions mere pap(and with some justification) compared to their experiences.Welcome to the new america:Militarism and Merchantilism,all others will be ignored for now.
Graham book: Inquiry into 9/11, Saudi ties blocked
By FRANK DAVIES
fdavies@herald.com
WASHINGTON - Two of the Sept. 11, 2001, hijackers had a support network in the United States that included agents of the Saudi government, and the Bush administration and FBI blocked a congressional investigation into that relationship, Sen. Bob Graham wrote in a book to be released Tuesday.
The discovery of the financial backing of the two hijackers ''would draw a direct line between the terrorists and the government of Saudi Arabia, and trigger an attempted coverup by the Bush administration,'' the Florida Democrat wrote.
And in Graham's book, Intelligence Matters, obtained by The Herald Saturday, he makes clear that some details of that financial support from Saudi Arabia were in the 27 pages of the congressional inquiry's final report that were blocked from release by the administration, despite the pleas of leaders of both parties on the House and Senate intelligence committees.
Graham also revealed that Gen. Tommy Franks told him on Feb. 19, 2002, just four months after the invasion of Afghanistan, that many important resources -- including the Predator drone aircraft crucial to the search for Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda leaders -- were being shifted to prepare for a war against Iraq.
Graham recalled this conversation at MacDill Air Force Base in Tampa with Franks, then head of Central Command, who was ``looking troubled'':
``Senator, we are not engaged in a war in Afghanistan.''
''Excuse me?'' I asked.
''Military and intelligence personnel are being redeployed to prepare for an action in Iraq,'' he continued.
Graham concluded: 'Gen. Franks' mission -- which, as a good soldier, he was loyally carrying out -- was being downgraded from a war to a manhunt.''
Graham, who was chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee from June 2001 through the buildup to the Iraq war, voted against the war resolution in October 2002 because he saw Iraq as a diversion that would hinder the fight against al Qaeda terrorism.
He oversaw the Sept. 11 investigation on Capitol Hill with Rep. Porter Goss, nominated last month to be the next CIA director. According to Graham, the FBI and the White House blocked efforts to investigate the extent of official Saudi connections to two hijackers.
Graham wrote that the staff of the congressional inquiry concluded that two Saudis in the San Diego area, Omar al-Bayoumi and Osama Bassan, who gave significant financial support to two hijackers, were working for the Saudi government.
Al-Bayoumi received a monthly allowance from a contractor for Saudi Civil Aviation that jumped from $465 to $3,700 in March 2000, after he helped Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdhdar -- two of the Sept. 11 hijackers -- find apartments and make contacts in San Diego, just before they began pilot training.
When the staff tried t
Clinton faking heart trouble???? Anybody in LA can hear this now by Wayne Resnick on 640 KFI. He can't be alone. Has there been other wingnuts implying this??
I've heard people on AM radio claiming that their minds were being read by radar operated by the NSA, but only when I was driving through the radio desert of central Indiana, where there was nothing else to listen to.
Surely in LA you can do better than that.
Any kind of asshat who would suggest that someone would have bypass surgery for an imaginary problem can be safely ignored. You know about the bones they have to break to do that, don't you?
When the staff tried to conduct interviews in that investigation, and with an FBI informant, Abdussattar Shaikh, who also helped the eventual hijackers, they were blocked by the FBI and the administration, Graham wrote.
The administration and CIA also insisted that the details about the Saudi support network that benefited two hijackers be left out of the final congressional report, Graham complained.
Bush had concluded that ''a nation-state that had aided the terrorists should not be held publicly to account,'' Graham wrote. ``It was as if the president's loyalty lay more with Saudi Arabia than with America's safety.''
Saudi officials have vociferously denied any ties to the hijackers or al Qaeda plots to attack the United States.
Graham ran unsuccessfully for the Democratic presidential nomination and then decided not to seek reelection to the Senate this year. He has said he hopes his book will illuminate FBI and CIA failures in the war on terrorism and he also offers recommendations on ways to reform the intelligence community.
On Iraq, Graham said the administration and CIA consistently overplayed its estimates of Saddam Hussein's threat in its public statements and declassified reports, while its secret reports contained warnings that the intelligence on weapons of mass destruction was not conclusive.
In October 2002, Tenet told Graham that ''there were 550 sites where weapons of mass destruction were either produced or stored'' in Iraq.
''It was, in short, a vivid and terrifying case for war. The problem was it did not accurately represent the classified estimate we had received just days earlier,'' Graham wrote. ``It was two different messages, directed at two different audiences. I was outraged.''
In his book, Graham is especially critical of the FBI for its inability to track al Qaeda operatives in the United States and blasts the CIA for ``politicizing intelligence.''
He reserves his harshest criticism for Bush.
Graham found the president had ''an unforgivable level of intellectual -- and even common sense -- indifference'' toward analyzing the comparative threats posed by Iraq and al Qaeda and other terrorist groups.
When the weapons were not found, one year after the invasion of Iraq, Bush attended a black-tie dinner in Washington, Graham recalled. Bush gave a humorous speech with slides, showing him looking under White House furniture and joking, ``Nope, no WMDs there.''
Graham wrote: ``It was one of the most offensive things I have witnessed. Having recently attended the funeral of an American soldier killed in Iraq, who left behind a young wife and two preschool-age children, I found nothing funny about a deceitful justification for war.''
Thanks, dharma, that's good to know. Lots of voters wanted to know how to vote for all the Democrats. As part of EP, we were non-partisan, and just handed them the voting Bill of Rights. Interesting trend in voting, though.
I just got news of tornado warnings and big storms headed my way. I'm heading into the bathroom with the critters. Stay safe folks!! I'm outta here....
The 60 Minutes web site only lists 2 stories for tomorrow and Wed. They always do 3. My guess is Sunday will be Barnes, Wed will be Linda Allison, talking about how Little Boots got his Alabama campaign gig.
Good luck, Mike.
Between Barnes and Kitty Kelley, September may not be a good month for shrub.
American liberalism faced the possibility of defeat last week. The forward march of John Kerry has been halted by a cynical and mendacious campaign against his war record and by the asinine populism of George W Bush. Even before last week’s text-book Republican convention, Kerry’s lead in the opinion polls had been erased. It’s not over yet, but the world must now face up to the possibility of four more years of George W Bush.
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It’s too late to change horses in mid-stream, and the Democrats are stuck with their strategy and candidate. But the danger is that, come November, Americans will be presented with a choice between a war-monger who at least knows what he stands for and a politician of mixed messages who doesn’t. In a country which has a fetish for grit and determination, and a penchant for emotionalism and simplistic moralism, this could be a losing formula.
Kerry’s attempt to beat Bush to the draw on Thursday night, launching a rebuttal even before the President had finished his convention address, looked like desperation. The Democrats see it all slipping away, and the Republicans know exactly how to exploit self-doubt.
You have to hand it to the Republican Party: when it comes to winning elections, nobody does it better. The New York Convention was a master-piece of misrepresentation; a character assassination of Kerry; a cynical marriage of folksiness and jingoism. In other words, mission accomplished.
Bush’s people certainly didn’t trouble themselves with nuance. There was no serious attempt to explain why 1000 American soldiers and 10,000 Iraqis had to die in a war that should never have happened. Never apologise; never explain. Republican speakers showed no hint of contrition for the absence of weapons of mass destruction, for the systematic torture and abuse in Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay or for squandering America’s affection in the eyes of the world.
You might at least have hoped for a few won’t-happen-agains. But Bush just doesn’t do regret. In Madison Square Garden, truth itself was mangled to fit the perspectives of American neo-conservatism. “Saddam himself was a weapon of mass destruction,” said ex-New York mayor Rudolph Giuliani, in a breath-taking exercise in double-think. Removing Saddam he said, was “a wonderful thing”.
http://www.sundayherald.com/44528
Cantor Fitzgerald is suing Saudi Arabia over 9/11. Excellent.
The Pentagon responded to a request filed by judicial watch on the kerry medals --no government agency has endorsed or given credibility to the judicial watch request which is why it is only on newsmax and fox ..judicial watch funded by William Mellon Scaife
Got to get off the dead horse or you will drown in the middle of the stream...
FWIW, my wife unknowingly went to Chagrin Falls, Ohio today while The Jerusalem Candidate was having an appearance there. Chagrin Falls is a somewhat isolated and quaint town SE of Cleveland. Good schools, high property values and lots of restored victorian homes. There were nothing but Kerry signs in the yards. No Bush signs anywhere.
Cops said they bussed in Shrub's supporters from elsewhere!
All along the road side were people standing with Kerry signs.
Guess they can't hide Kerry supports from him forever.
Good luck and prayers for Floridians.
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Stay safe folks.
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My brother lives in Canton and he said they bussed in people for the rallies there too --which leads me to think there is a bi convoy of bush buses jsut roaming around Ohio looking for rallies
I’m guessing dear ole Kerry is surging and Bushie is flatty flat flat.
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Mo Do as usual behind the curve and behind the lizzie likudniks 
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We cannot TRUST George W. Bush
Bush is a "FAILURE" as President
Over the past 4 years George W. Bush has distorted the truth with deceptive wizardry.
TRUST is the basis of all relationships and Bush has been misleading the public, distorting fact, and contriving false realities on virtually every major issue.
His legacy on the U.S. economy is a MOUNTAIN OF DEBT. Since Bush took office in January 2001, the US economy has lost a net 1.1 million jobs and Bush is first Pres. since Herbert Hoover to have a net negative in jobs over 4 yrs. There are 44 million Americans without healthcare. The reasons for going to war with Iraq were based on lies and deceptions. Bush is worst environmental Pres. in history.
You get the picture...George W. Bush is a "FAILURE" as President of the United States of America.
We gave Bush the benefit of doubt in 2000 with his compassionate conservative spin but Bush has not lived up to this expectation and has proved time and again that he has been dishonest with the American people for the past 4 years.
Bush has NOT earned our TRUST and has FAILED as a leader of America with his abysmal record of performance
Bush DOES NOT deserve a second chance as President for what would likely be more of the same misleading of the public, distorting fact, and contriving false realities on virtually every major issue.
Reality Check....
Gore/Leiberman almost beat Bush/Cheney in 2000. They won the popular vote by 583,000 and it came down to Florida...we know the story.
Now Bush/Cheney are now facing a more talented and stronger ticket in Kerry/Edwards who have the proven experience to execute and deliver on a much better plan for America and Americans.
There is NO WAY that the American electorate will be DUPED by the pro Bush US mainstream media, post RNC poll numbers, and most important by Bush/Cheney false hopes and platitudes and their ABYSMAL RECORD OF PERFORMANCE and LACK of TRUST with most of the electorate.
Kerry/Edwards will win on Nov 2 ( predicated of course on a reasonably fair election tally )
Maybe we should just realize that this country is gone and not enough people have the will to fight the fight it would take to get it back.
Most people are put out to go vote let alone get off their asses to actually do someting to change things.
Pray for a depression that will sink America lower than the 1920s. That's about the only thing that will motivate the masses is this country. Till then, they are content to be robbed, tied and have their kids sent to die for nothing...so long as they get their TV and can hate faggotts and have some idiot waving a flag in their faces.
I just love the Hurricane Coverage, but wow, it must be real scary for the folks out there.
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I think the DC lizzies are also superstitious as all heck and they are morosely linking the hurricanes in Poppy’s time and Poppy’s defeat and seeing the signs.
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Whatever woiks folks.
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Waist Deep in the Big Muddy
Word and music by
Pete Seeger
It was back in nineteen forty-two,
I was part of a good platoon.
We were on manoeuvers in Louisiana,
One night by the light of the moon.
The captain said, "We've got to ford the river",
That's where it all began.
We were knee deep in the Big Muddy,
And the damn fool kept yelling to push on.
The Sergeant said, "Sir, are you sure,
This is the way back to the base?"
"Sergeant, I once crossed this river
Not a mile above this place.
It'll be a little soggy but we'll keep slogging.
We'll soon be on dry ground."
We were waist deep in the Big Muddy
And the damn fool kept yelling to push on.
"Captain, sir, with all this gear
No man'll be able to swim."
"Sergeant, don't be a Nervous Nellie,"
The Captain said to him.
"All we need is a little determination;
Follow me, I'll lead on."
We were neck deep in the Big Muddy
And the damn fool kept yelling to push on.
All of a sudden, the moon clouded over,
All we heard was a gurgling cry.
A second later, the captain's helmet
Was all that floated by.
The Sergeant said, "Turn around men!
I'm in charge from now on."
And we just made it out of the Big Muddy
With the captain dead and gone.
We stripped and dived and found his body
Stuck in the old quicksand.
I guess he didn't know that the water was deeper
Than the place where he'd once been.
For another stream had joined the Muddy
A half mile from where we'd gone.
We were lucky to get out of the Big Muddy
When the damn fool kept yelling to push on.
Well, you might not want to draw conclusions
I'll leave that to yourself
Maybe you're still walking, maybe you're still talking
Maybe you've still got your health.
But every time I hear the news
That old feeling comes back on;
We're waist deep in the Big Muddy
And the damn fools kept yelling to push on.
Knee deep in the Big Muddy
And the damn fools keep yelling to push on
Waist deep in the Big Muddy
And the damn fools keep yelling to push on
Waist deep! Neck deep! we'll be drowning before too long
We're neck deep in the Big Muddy
And the damn fools keep yelling to push on
TRO © 1967 Melody Trails, Inc. New York, NY
Glad Teresa is OK and released from the hospital.
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Rock on, stay well, she is the next First Lady of the United States .
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They have been trotting out the "OBL about to be captured " story for 2 years now.
Whenever the stock market starts to tank the floor of the NYSE starts passing around OBL nearly captured stories to stop the selling.
Last winter a Turkish paper claimed he has been in custody quite a while and was being held for an October Surprise.
If he hasn't been in custody then he has had 3 years to plan more attacks on the US while Bush was after Saddam. Kerry needs to pound that message home if they do produce him.
Personally I think he is probably dead. Now that Bush has seen to it that Al Qaeda has good recruitment propaganda it matters little anymore anyway.
Mike,
I spent a hairy night encamped in a hallway waiting out Andrew in 92. We were evacuated from our place in South Miami and had a choice: Homestead or Hialeah. We went to Hialeah, just because there would be fewer people there. A great Cuban immigrant family, with plastic covers on the furniture and an obeah altar in the closet. Hung out, listened to Jello Biafra, ate goodies from the bakery (which was selling them off cheap). It was an awful night, but worse was the news coverage, with Rick Sanchez, talking about devastation. Don't take them too seriously, sit tight, it'll be fine. (The house we'd been invited to in Homestead lost its roof, by the way.) God speed.
dogbreath, Kerry is gonna win, .
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Hi -- Sorry for just jumping in, but am wondering if anyone has read the text of Mike Ruppert's address to the Commonwealth Club of California. Pretty interesting and provocative introduction to his book, due for general release in Oct., I think.
Here's the link: http://tinyurl.com/5dlf
Here's JFK's next talking point:
W has been touting how the world is now "safer" due to his leadership and unwavering action.
I suggest that 340 families near Chechnyia would whole-heartedly disagree. Especially in light of the fact that several of those involved were al-k-da (misspelling intentional) operatives.
When gee-dub had the chance to eradicate al-k-da, he chose to pull back and begin a build-up to an ill-conceived war in Iraq and diverted resources there. Resources that could have once and for all, eliminated that particular threat to ALL nations. He instead chose profiteering over substantive action. For that, he should at a minimum lose the job he has failed us all at.
More importantly, he should not be so easily forgiven.
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Shaun Cade,
What do you think was really going on?
I mean, I read the whole thing, and honestly I don't see what was so weird.
What I think you saw was some bully and his bitch. I really can't figure what you are reading into this.
And dude, I you're a an attorney, thanks for the warning.
Dogbreath,
I'm angry at Kerry for not playing hardball, but I'm still going to work my ass off for him for the next 60 days. Don't you dare give up; we will win this.
Pray for a depression that will sink America lower than the 1920s. That's about the only thing that will motivate the masses is this country. Till then, they are content to be robbed, tied and have their kids sent to die for nothing...so long as they get their TV and can hate faggotts and have some idiot waving a flag in their faces.
dogbreath | Email | Homepage | 09.04.04 - 11:47 pm |..........................I agree.Liberal FDR policies delivered the greatest prosperity any nation in any era has experienced.It was my baby boomer generation that grew fat on its merits and then grew to be greedy bastards on its bounty,much to my regret.The Left delivered,the people ate,and the people became constipated.Time for a financial enema.
Why does the media fail to point out that 911 was the first terrorist attack by Al Queda on U.S. soil since the first WTC bombing 7 years prior? All we hear from Republicans is how there has not been another attack since 911 (they fail to mention the Anthrax Attacks, I guarantee that if caught they will be charged with terrorism). We are merely waiting on them to pick their time. There is no proof that the U.S. is any safer now than our postal system is since those attacks.
Maybe we should just realize that this country is gone and not enough people have the will to fight the fight it would take to get it back.
It's not over yet; and complaining about the stupid, lazy Americans doesn't help at all. I know how you feel, but there is still hope.
Just look at some of the posts on this site. People are out registering voters, talking ReThugs and undecideds into voting Kerry and writing media outlets to express disgust in the partisan media coverage.
I don't worry about Kerry losing, I worry that the vote will be so close that the GOPpers will steal this one too.
Bottom line: it used to be you couldn't complain if you didn't vote, now you can't complain if you're not doing what you can to help out.
Why does the media fail to point out that 911 was the first terrorist attack by Al Queda on U.S. soil since the first WTC bombing 7 years prior?
Corporate-Run American Press = CRAP
Bill Maher on the imminent capture of OBL: It will have the same impact on terrorism that Ray Kroc's death had on McDonald's. The franchises have already been built.
Or something like that.
I figured out who Bushie was hilariously trying to channel on his speech day, gosh, to me it looked like that actor dude who is from a family of actors who stars in that FBI series I think it is called without a trace.
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I think he was trying to channel his mannerisms et al, thinking maybe the chicks like the dude so they will like Bush too, ha, ha, ha. .
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I think that is pretty hilarious.
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Bushie just came off looking lame and moronic, whoo hoo. .
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Bottom line: it used to be you couldn't complain if you didn't vote, now you can't complain if you're not doing what you can to help out.
hoary cripple | Email | Homepage | 09.05.04 - 12:02 am | # ............................Sometimes I wonder that those who do not vote know more than I do and I am merely being played for a sucker.
Kerry is gonna win
Although my family has lived here since 1741, fought under Washington, fought under Lincoln, attended the Gettysburg address, fought in WWI, WWII and vietnam, this place does not feel like home any more. This is the only (so-called) democracy in the entire world where bush could win re-election. Where else does lying, cheating, stealing and killing get rewarded with such loyalty, besides pre-war Germany, that is.
If this was an election, I would agree that Kerry would win, but it's not an election. It's a fucking fraud, can't you see? Just like 2000. If they have to, they will kill Kerry, but he will never set foot in that white house.
Shaun Cade
The last I heard, the Feds had only one person of interest in the anthrax mailings and he is an American citizen with no known ties to any terrorist organization. If he is charged it will be domestic terrorism, but it's got absolutely nothing to do with AQ, Iraq, Iran or any Arab/Muslim terra-ists.
Omigoodness, I got the actor confused with somebody else, it is Anthony LaPaglia, ha, ha, very sorry about that, I am a doofus about the entertainment field.
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But that is the actor I was thinking about and I think that was the low key one Bushie was trying to channel, he was turning his head and making throat noises just like him, really. .
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Hoary Cripple
You didn't thouch that 7 years argument. I was making a point, and that person of interest has not panned out. Honestly we aren't positive who did it, and that was a large part of my point.
I figured out who Bushie was hilariously trying to channel on his speech day, gosh, to me it looked like that actor dude who is from a family of actors who stars in that FBI series I think it is called without a trace.
Do you mean Anthony LaPaglia? LaPaglia's great. Did you see him in So I Married An Ax Murderer? One of the best comedies ever.
picked up a book today that i recommend to you...
inside the Pentagon Papers. isbn #0700613250.
The convention bounce numbers are amusing when you consider in 1996 Bob Dole had a 15% bounce and Clinton only had a 5% bounce.
In 1992 Bush Sr. had a 16% bounce and lost.
In 2000 Bush had a 11% bounce and lost the popular vote.
this is the dude I was thinking of, I guess I got him mixed up with Billy Baldwin, but that is the guy it looked to me Bushie was channeling, but it came off pretty hilarious .
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Not like Anthony LaPaglia of course who comes across very nicely but of course that is the character.
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When Bushie tried to do it, it just looked hi-larious and way lame and moronic.
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What is it with Bushie and his Walter Mittyesque fantasies, is he always trying to channel somebody?
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"..so long as they get their TV and can hate faggotts and have some idiot waving a flag in their faces."
dogbreath
At the risk of offending, along with the TV, as I remember it, Americans really thought they had achieved Utopia when any constraints, social or legal, were removed on co-habitation and divorce. Free speech, of course, was perfected when Penthouse could show vaginas, and "fuck" could dominate the dialogue in movies. Add easy consumer credit, and all was for the best in this best of all possible worlds.
Makes me sound like a winger, doesn't it. Fooled me, too. I also thought for a long while that an abundance of personal freedom was the same as political freedom.
Not that there's anything wrong with personal freedom !
Why are Kerry/Edwards drawing campaign crowds of more than 20,000 in Akron, Ohio today, 25,000 in Tacoma WA, 50,000 in Portland and Bush/Cheney can only draw crowds of 5,000 tops ?
Do the local news and media in the Battleground States have a better depiction of the REAL story on this election ?
How much longer can the US mainstream news and some major polls put up a facade ?
Bush has been avoiding discussing the REAL issues up to now but the coward can no longer hide.
Kerry was saving his end game for right after the RNC. In fact, both Kerry and Edwards are great closers.
The pounding of the Bushie Boy has begun at precisely the right time !
Watch and Learn...
There is NO WAY that the American electorate will be DUPED by the pro Bush US mainstream media, post RNC poll numbers, and most important by Bush/Cheney false hopes and platitudes and their ABYSMAL RECORD OF PERFORMANCE and LACK of TRUST with most of the electorate.
Kerry/Edwards will win on Nov 2.
freelove, Clinton was ahead right after SOTU and he stayed ahead all the way through, there was only a small bounce because he was Already Ahead, ha, ha, ha .
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On top of which, the economy was booming and he had not gotten us into a bog down and sucking sound with 1000 casualties.
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Freelove, thanks for those stats. For the life of me, I can't understand why so many people here are panicking. An incumbent, even one as appalling as dubya, always has the advantage. The fact that the shrubster's only polling around 50% isn't good for him at all and looks very favorable for our guy.
If this was an election, I would agree that Kerry would win, but it's not an election. It's a fucking fraud, can't you see? Just like 2000. If they have to, they will kill Kerry, but he will never set foot in that white house.
dogbreath | Email | Homepage | 09.05.04 - 12:12 am | # ................................This is not a time when the best ideas win in the political arena.This is a time when those who grasp and fight for power will win.It has always been my contention that political dominance is gained by blood stained snot,in the street,suffered by some,reclaimed by many.Civil rights in the 60s were not won by talking alone.The bush regime has certainly ignited my 60s radicalism.
This election is not about policy. It is about whether we will be governed by the Constitution we all grew up with or whether the US will continue down the road to a full-fledged fascism. Arguing policy is like debating whether traditional German Social Democrats had a good idea with their social policies or if Hitler's Strength-through-Joy program was better. It's missing the essential point. If it were about policy, we would win hands down. Gore campaigned on policy, and look what the rethugs did to him. Bush and his cabal are not your usual politicians. Gore campaigned in the belief that Bush and crew were, despite everything, committed to the good of the United States and its people -- that they just disagreed on policy. That was his fatal mistake and the reason he could never quite believe what was happening to him. He as much as admitted that in his speech earlier this year when he talked about why he didn't fight harder in the Florida recount.
Kerry must not operate this election cycle like a normal campaign. This campaign needs to be turned into a prosecution of Bush before the court of the American people. Build an irrefutable case point by point, with the documentary evidence posted on his website, against Bushco for negligence, malfeasance, "perjury" (in that they have lied before the court of the American people), and corruption. It might not have traction at first, but an unrelenting prosecution of Bushco would sway even a lot of Bush supporters in the end. Kerry's been a prosecutor so I know he can do this. It's what I'm hoping his campaign is beginning to do after what I saw of Thursday night/Friday morning in Ohio.
Convict Bush at the polls -- and sentence him to exile in Crawford. Further convictions, with more restrictive penalties, I hope will follow.....
And, Cheney myself, but I feel better now for having said this.
What is it with Bushie and his Walter Mittyesque fantasies, is he always trying to channel somebody?
More like Zell-ig. Ha.
God help Florida, indeed. A second hurrican and two bushs responsible for their welfare.
Shaun Cade
You misunderstand me. I wasn't attempting to touch, or squelch, your seven years arguement. Just pointing out the fact there is no evidence to suggest foreign ties. And investigators are focusing on Americans due to the quality of milling and the strain. It was almost assuredly manufactured in a US military lab. That's it, I'm not questioning your point.
Every opportunity that I get to have a real discussion about the election with a right leaning individual, I have started to ask them about their reasons for supporting this President. My newest approach is to state that an incumbent is supposed to run on their record, and not talk about all of the deeds that they will do, but usually talk about continuing what they are doing. The difference this time is that there is no record to run on, no continuation of programs because none have been implemented that are successful. I then point out that should seem unusual since the Admin. also has a majority in both houses of congress, and a right leaning Supreme Court, which should enable them to put forth almost any legislation that they would want to pass. If I have the opportunity after that, I then ask them what has been President Bush's greatest achievement in the last 3 1/2 years, and why should I, a liberal, vote for George Bush. If I am able to ask the last two questions, either the other person stomps off, or makes some lame reach for something positive from this Admin., or they just sort of freeze up. Then I try to point out how John Kerry will help this country, and although he is not perfect, he is so much better an alternative to Bush and will be a smarter, more positive leader, and will push forth legislation that will actually help the citizens of the US, not just the Corporations. When ever I can, I also call into a local radio talk program, if the subject is about national politics. I am also checking into see about volunteering with the local Democratic party as well. The odd thing is, I have never done any of this for any other election before, but I feel I have to something, even if it is not much.
strange that 5.4% unemployment during the Clinton re-election is characterized as a 'booming economy' by minnieb9 -
Whatever
THe thing on my mind is that Atrios was the only Kerry blog that posted a 'get well soon' thread.
The rest of the kerry blogs gave it a no show. -
Ignoring a former President going in for a life altering surgery shows the class of the current Democratic party.
Still it is lightyears better then you gave Ronald Reagan.
Before you pretend how off base my comment is do this one thing.
Show me a thread on a Kerry blog about the 400 Russian schoolchildren who were cut down by terrorists just yesterday.
After you can't find one, look in a mirror and ask yourself why.
dumass librual change you screen nane to smartass librual or just smart librual.
WaPo: did George Bush miss the
lessons of Vietnam
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It has always been my contention that political dominance is gained by blood stained snot,in the street,suffered by some,reclaimed by many.
I think all it would take is a massive stike. Most unionized workers vote Democratic. Hell, so do huge blocks of the working class in general, both white and blue collar. A European-style general strike for a day or two would hit the regime where it's most vulnerable and be much more effective than violence and bloodshed. Always remember, money is what's most important to these goons. Cracking skulls will only get your ass thrown in the can. On the other hand, they can't come to everyone's house and force them to go to work. Yet.
Hey Papertiger lucky I'm here to address your smart ass remarks.
In wake of school siege, Arab media denounce Muslim terrorists
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spa...ges/
473355.html
Ha'aretz runs an AP piece on media reaction to the carnage in the Muslim world. Its finding? Media, clerics and officials in the Muslim and Arab worlds have overwhelmingly condemned the terrorists, and are asking painful questions:
Muslims worldwide are the main perpetrators of terrorism, a humiliating and painful truth that must be acknowledged, a prominent Arab writer and television executive wrote
"Our terrorist sons are an end-product of our corrupted culture," Abdulrahman al-Rashed, general manager of Al-Arabiya television wrote in his daily column published in the pan-Arab Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper. It ran under the headline, "The Painful Truth: All the World Terrorists are Muslims!"
Ahmed Bahgat, an Egyptian Islamist, wrote in his column in Egypt's leading pro-government newspaper, Al-Ahram, that hostage-takers in Russia as well as in Iraq are only harming Islam.
"If all the enemies of Islam united together and decided to harm it ... they wouldn't have ruined and harmed its image as much as the sons of Islam have done by their stupidity, miscalculations, and misunderstanding of the nature of this age," Bahgat wrote.
An editorial in the Saudi English-language Arab News put some blame for the bloody end to the school siege on Vladimir Putin, saying the Russian president couldn't afford to lose his "tough-man image." But it added that "the Chechens, with the choice of their targets, had put themselves in a position where no one would shed tears when the punishment came. They reached a new low when they chose toddlers as bargaining chips."
Heads of state from Egypt, Lebanon and Kuwait offered their sympathy Friday to Russian officials and to the families of people caught up in the hostage drama. A prominent Muslim cleric also denounced it.
"What is the guilt of those children [in Russia]? Why should they be responsible for your conflict with the government?" Egypt's top Muslim cleric, Grand Sheik Mohammed Sayed Tantawi, was quoted as saying during a Friday sermon in Banha, 50 kilometers (30 miles) north of Cairo.
"You are taking Islam as a cover and it is a deceptive cover; those who carry out the kidnappings are criminals, not Muslims," Tantawi, who heads Al-Azhar University, the highest authority in the Sunni Islamic world, was quoted by Egypt's Middle East News agency as saying.
Hey Papertiger please respond to this...
Pro-Bush Booth Angers Many U.S. Muslims
By RACHEL ZOLL, AP Religion Writer
http://tinyurl.com/5qzd6
ROSEMONT, Ill. - At the largest annual convention of American Muslims, a pro-Bush booth has stirred anger among attendees who believe the president's actions since Sept. 11, 2001, have hurt more innocent Muslims than terrorists.
They stop abruptly when they see the 5-foot-tall photo of President Bush (news - web sites), with "muslimsforbush.com" above his head.
Then come the outbursts.
"Disgusting," said one onlooker. "Take that down," said another.
"I think President Bush has misled not only the United States, but the world," said Noor Maciael, an educator who called the booth "disgusting" and planned to vote for Democrat John Kerry. "He has put us in a situation where the whole world is hating this country."
Kerry must not operate this election cycle like a normal campaign. This campaign needs to be turned into a prosecution of Bush before the court of the American people. Build an irrefutable case point by point, with the documentary evidence posted...
In 60 days? How the hell do you do that in 8 weeks, when Bush has the ability to shift the ground, or pull the rug out from under your feet? And the biggest amplifier and echo chamber in the world.
But people much smarter than me say a week is an eternity in politics.
This election is much, much too interesting. Even though I have no question which levers I'll be pulling.
(all the ones marked D)
Let’s also remember that Chirac is a veteran too and that too of Algeria.
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Please let's ignore the brownshirts just for this day. We haven't had an Ignore the Brownshirts Day in awhile. Yet they really are effective.
That would be a massive strike, not stike. Too much vino.
queencrab, yes, it was Anthony LaPaglia, I guess our posts crossed and I had already googled and found out that it was him.
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I first saw him (I think) I better not be too sure because I get mixed up in the entertainment field, I first saw him in a movie where he acted as a overly polite and courteous Mafia operative who tries to take out a girl.
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This however looked wonderful to me, he had flowers and reservations and all the rest of it.
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I thought that was terrific.
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Of course, that was the character, but still that particular part was what caught my eye.
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I don’t remember the rest of the film or how it turned out, but that part was very sweet.
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We are all sending peaceful happy thoughts for President Clinton’s quick and safe recovery .
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Once, when I was Florida resident, I was in in behind Jeb Bush at the bank machine. He's weirdly tall, but then I'm short and my standards are skewed. Also he was wearing a peach polo shirt, which is always a mistake. But most notably, he took and kept his receipt, which has clear implications for the voter fraud currently being planned in Florida. My current ATM is made by Diebold; have you checked yours?
Re standa's posting upthread:
Arab media does not = CRAP
from http://blog.johnkerry.com
KERRY-EDWARDS STEUBENVILLE OHIO RALLY
Saturday 9-4.
REPORT----We just got back from Steubenville Ohio EDWARDS-KERRY RALLY and let me tell you folks do not, do not be overly concerned over the polls ! It is in OUR grasp and WE can do it. Anyone who was there I am sure realizes this. Senator Kerry repeated that theme again and I am 100% convinced we are now UNSTOPPABLE ! Were probably had around 5,000 on had in Steubenville and Super, super energized for Senator Kerry. All cylinders.....
About 5,000 of us lasted about 3 hours thru humidity, very dark skies and heavy and I mean heavy downpours ! There were also lightening strikes hitting the surruonding hills mostly on the West Virginia side of the Ohio River. I'm talking huge lightening sky streaks. With the very loud thunder claps cascading down the mountains. So we are talking MAJOR storm but most of us hung tuff and I heard one person say that "The only thing gonna stop him from seeing Senator Kerry was a direct lightening strike !" I think he was kidding...? But anyway this is what we endured so 5,000 was fantastic. Before the impending storm, lines of people were stretched from 3rd and Market Bridge all the way back to near the Spot Bar on 4th...
Probably near 1/3 of the people left particularly after the lightening strikes and DRENCHING rain. Someone in the crowd shouted out, "Hey, should have wet T-shirt contest" ! I think that was the group coming out of the Roma Bar ! Hahaha What I am saying is that the crowd under these circumstances was phenomenal ! Could of easily been 10,000...
We had to walk past some small anti abortion groups but they were very organized and polite mostly college students. This was expected because we have two Catholic universities in the area. Franciscan University in Steubenville and Wheeling Jesuit in Wheeling W,Va. But was done nicely and the students very polite . No problems there. Very, very few dubya backers and they were not very vociferous.
cont.
Jefferson County Sheriff Abedella did the MC work. Many Lbor Unions well represented. In attendance Fingerhut, Kucinich, Didinato, Steubenville Mayor Mucci, Union Leader John Balzano ISG, Rep Greg DiDinato, Sen Ted Strickland and Legend fomer Ohio Senator John Glenn. With energized opening comments by Fingerhut, DiDinato, Mayor Mucci, Ted Strickland and John Glenn.
Crowd was whipped up and ready to rock the OHIO VALLEY when Senator Kerry took the stage. John Kerry is amazing and hitting on all cylinders right now. Senator Kerry talked about the issues and about everthing the republicans avoid. They have nothing they can defend for the past four as they have done nothing...I think the Senator hit just the proper balance between issues important to American families and exposing the absuridty of the smoke and mirror programs put forth by the republicans. He also LASHED OUT against the negative attacks about his ability to perform as commander and chief. He laid it out again that he volunteered and he was there when others choose not tooo ! ! I think a perfect balance. Senator Kerry knows exactly what he is doing and from crowd reaction to his two rallies I belive he is right on track.
I repeat--It is there and with Senator Kerry leading us we can take the WHITE HOUSE--NO QUESTION ! Senator Kerry again repeated that he needs our help and I see it out there--People are volunteering, donating money, making signs, whatever...
All the lies, all the negative attacks, no matter---It is blowing in the wind, conservative media, no matter ! THIS IS GONNA BE THE LARGEST GRASS ROOT WIN OF ALL TIME !
Posted by carolforkerry at September 4, 2004 11:56 PM
queen crab | Email | Homepage | 09.05.04 - 12:44 am | #.......................................The political mind of america is a difficult place to navigate.You cannot get a general strike or boycott.So it it falls on the literal backs of a few brave and intrepid individuals to sacrifice themselves so the larger whole sees them as martyrs for a cause,and the mainstream admires the cause.It works only during political distress,like now.
MinnieB9, Anthony LaPaglia was also in a wonderful movie called 29th Street, based on the true story of the winner of the first New York state lottery. The movie also starred Danny Aiello. It's a little-known flick and I think it went directly to video. I recommend it highly. Also So I Married An Ax Murdered, if you haven't seen it yet. Totally silly, with no redeeming social value at all, but side-splittingly funny.
Just got this link from a colleague--a good news source, looks like.
http://newstandardnews.net/
The political mind of america is a difficult place to navigate.You cannot get a general strike or boycott.
A year or two ago, I may have agreed with you. But I think today with the degree of anger out there along with the power of the Internet, it can happen. Look at the hundreds of thousands of people who demonstrated in NYC the past week. Can you imagine how many other people will be ready to take to the streets if Bu$hCo steals another election? Even a society as overfed and complacent as ours can be pushed too far.
KERRY-EDWARDS STEUBENVILLE OHIO RALLY
I was there, and this is absolutely true! The rally was amazing.
I was shocked when WPXI (NBC) local Pittsburgh news reported "hundreds" attended the rally. KDKA (CBS) reported approx 5 thousand.
There were THOUSANDS of us there, and Kerry was fabulous.
Posted by gimmeabreak at September 4, 2004 11:59 PM
Here's hoping that the hurricane will destroy whatever building they are storing the diebold voting machines in.
Well,as my goodbye post.the left will have to determine if the squeeky wheel gets the oil,or the nail that sticks out gets hammered down.
you have to understand what the manipulated polls are intended to confirm...
when the intell services steal this election for their boy, gwb, the time, the newspeak will confirm the theft by relating the false polls.
that is what the false polls are for - to provide cover that the sheep will accept.
make no mistake. the fix is in.
and whether they be electronic voting machines or hand-written ballots, the vote will be counted as if tammany was price waterhouse. hell,come to think about it, i think tammany was price waterhouse.
Cheney is having his company, Halliburton, unnecessarily endanger US soldiers' lives so their subsidiary KBR can save a few bucks (none of which get passed on to you, the taxpayer.)
American troops want the practice of Cheney's company forcing them to ride shotgun in KBR trucks to end.
American troops want the practice of Cheney's company forcing them to ride shotgun in KBR trucks to end.
George Johnston
If Bush gets back in they'll be doing similar things in at least one more country, Iran or Syria. North Korea is possilbe but not very since it doesn't have what Bushco wants.
My sympathies are with anyone in Florida. This is shaping up to be a real nightmare year down there. I just hope there is money left to help after Bush gave it away to the rich and squandered the rest playing Caligula.
couple of points:
1. if osama bin ladin was really about to be captured, the rethugnicans would have used their convention to whip up a 4 day hate. i see absolutely no advantage to ignoring him during 4 days of intensive media if they have him in hand. KE can use bin ladin in this manner; "some media reports indicate that osama bin ladin may be captured soon. but why has it taken three years? why are we fighting al qaeda in iraq if he is in afghanistan?"
this way, if he's captured, it will look like a case of putting out the fire after the house has burned to the ground. if he's not, why not?
2. i promise you that "no retreat, no surrender" is a far better campaign theme song that "beautiful day". lyrically, it's far more relevant and musically, it's far more dynamic.
3. the folks at the kerry rally in steubenville, OH were real, grass-roots American working people, as opposed to the potemkin audiences georgie buses in to his "ask the preznit" rallies. rep. ted strickland introduced JK at the rally, but first, he told JK "let me introduce these folks to you, senator. these are the people who built our country. they made our steel, they mined our coal, they paved our highways, they raised our children and they fought our wars." mighty damn effective.
he told of a woman at a food bank who broke down in tears and explained that, when her husband was alive, they used to donate to the food bank, and now she had to depend on it to get through the month. and he asked the crowd: "do you think president bush knows a woman like this?"
then he spoke of a retiree whose pension had been reduced from $1700/mo to $900/mo and stripped of his health benefit. his insurance for him and his elderly wife costs $1400/mo. "i've sold my car, and i've emptied my savings. i don't know how much longer i can last" and again he asked, "does president bush know a retiree like this?"
people in the crowd were literally weeping. a chant of "kerry - kerry - kerry" arose. and you could hear the reporter for the local station chanting on his own mic, caught up in the moment.
hey, i've survived four years of the chimp, and i suppose i would survive four more.
BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WON'T. my vote for kerry is a vote for them.
hart
ALERT!
Be on the lookout for the latest disguise of the criminally unpatriotic troll, lurking through these threads. The new disguise of this low form of life is called the "oh woe is me - what's wrong with the Kerry campaign, o my god, we're gonna lose" style.
Appearance of troll: above all, concerned! Furrowed brow, much handwringing, panicked breathlessness.
Typical behavior: Pushes meme of Democratic "helplessness." Promotes sense of "hopelessness." Tends to disappear when repeated posts remind everyone how John Kerry has many, many thousands of people thronging to his open, exciting campaign events. Flees when instructed to read blog at johnkerry.com, where powerful pictures abound showing evidence of a great patriotic movement building all around the country.
Security against this dangerous, disguised troll: Awareness of this scurrilous tactic. Frequent visits to http://blog.johnkerry.com. There you can see for yourself (pictures and text) the evidence the mainstream media doesn't want you to see.
There you can also sign up, so you can take part in the blog to join the campaign as it happens, offer your suggestions to campaign staff, hear the suggestions of others. There and on other parts of the johnkerry.com website, you can connect with other supporters in your own neighborhood, and discuss what you can do to right now, every day to ensure a Kerry Landslide.
WE ARE THE CAMPAIGN.
Defeat Bush. Defeat the trolls. Defeat Tokyo Rose.
finni
Ali Abdullah, an Islamic scholar in Bahrain who follows the ultra-conservative Salafi stream of Islam, also condemned the school attack as 'unIslamic'. However, he insisted Muslims were not involved and revived an old conspiracy theory: 'I have no doubt that this is the work of the Israelis, who want to tarnish the image of Muslims.'
Thats the more typical answer from muslim clerics.
I hope some of them have found shame.
The incidents in Russia were enough to damn even a noble cause. Chechyan Muslims disgruntled about an election not going their way, does not rate high on my scale of noble causes.
Killing people who would do things like murder kindergardeners, rates high on that list.
I hope the Russians join the coalition. Nepalese are begging to get in.
Hurricane blogging
Stay safe Floridians
stay safe Floridians:
A friend of mine, a republican actually, and a Christian, presented the theory that Florida is actually being punished by God for it's dirty dealings on the 2000 election.
When I asked her why God would punish all the innocents that did not take part in that disgraceful theft, she replied that God often punishes the innocent along with the guilty, just because they are in the vicinity. I checked the Bible and this is actually true in a number of instances.
She said, "God makes it up to them in the end." So there you have it. Woe be unto Florida if another election is stolen.
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