I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Frist
Frist
"Hey, look, we're bombing Iraq..."
Nellie is fabulous.
Is Atrios drunk?
OT: wtfwjd memo post #347 Here's a good Kos diary that shows how the memos might be genuine.
And here's my diary entry (under a different pseud) for those who want to consider, if they are forgeries, who may be behind them.
"Dog Song" is the only one I've heard, and it's pretty dang funny; what're the other songs like?
dog song's okay, there are better
More importantly, Hem is coming out with a new album soon.
And Shivaree is due out with a new one at the beginning of next year.
Seraphiel,
The Shivaree album comes out at the same time as Hem, I think. Rounder just sent me their list of October releases and both were on it. (I run a website/streaming audio station here.)
Michael Moore More Popular Than Jesus
I'm coming out with a hot new typeface next week.
It's called -- wait for it...
Times New Roman.
It will be The Shit, and will instantly render anything previously written in similar fonts irresponsible forgeries.
It's that good!
She is absolutely amazing. I got to meet her at the March for Women's Lives this past April, and hear her play, she was absolutely amazing - actually much wilder and more interesting than her playing at the Planned Parenthood benefit in NYC. I highly recommend folks check her out, truly truly truly wickedly wild music. I'd say a bit of The Roaches and the Indigos Girls influences, with other female vocalists thrown in.
She is absolutely amazing. I got to meet her at the March for Women's Lives this past April, and hear her play, she was absolutely amazing - actually much wilder and more interesting than her playing at the Planned Parenthood benefit in NYC. I highly recommend folks check her out, truly truly truly wickedly wild music. I'd say a bit of The Roaches and the Indigos Girls influences, with other female vocalists thrown in.
For admirers of feminist rock, Mary Prankster is a must-have. Her anthem "Tits and Whiskey" is too cool for words.
Seraphiel,
The Shivaree album comes out at the same time as Hem, I think.
Aha! I thought the same thing, but my better half (who is far more a music geek than I) said that the earlier Shivaree release is an EP, and the new full album is due out a few months later.
I haven't checked to be sure, but he usually keeps up with this stuff pretty well.
Seraphiel,
Right you are. But with Eno, Cale and Waterboys covers, it should be an interesting ep.
Right you are. But with Eno, Cale and Waterboys covers, it should be an interesting ep.
Everything they do is interesting. 
So far I've only managed to introduce tbogg to them, but I'l working on the rest of blogland. Heh.
RCSanders, great link:
"Michal Moore More Popular than Jesus" -- HA! But speaking of musical artists, wasn't that a line that got John Lennon in lots 'o trouble? Ah, that he were with us still, especially now.
Atrios... why the MMFA notes in the bio? Just a joke? Or did they threaten you or something over something you posted?
Atrios... why the MMFA notes in the bio? Just a joke? Or did they threaten you or something over something you posted?
McKay also has a song about the Kerry-Edwards ticket; listen here.
There are compelling arguments on both sides re the 60 minutes documents. Seems to me it could be a pretty straightforward exercise to compare the 60-minute TANG memos to other typed documents coming out of that office during the same period.
Miss McKay is 19, very talented and a devoted young Democrat. God bless her little soul.
I was just at a Kerry fundraiser tonight in Los Angeles. Macy Gray, Lili Hayden and Patton Oswalt were the featured talent. Terry McAuliffe was there also. Apparently 250K was raised for Big John. Don't despair-- help is on the way!
Help will be on the way when Bush and Cheney choke each other to death on Nov. 3.
--
If we're doing music, I would recommend "Sonia dada's new c.d. Test Pattern" The DVD that comes with it is great too!
Could this document have been typed with the same typewriter in 1972?
http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc2.gif
It is Bush's request for a transfer.
it has proportional type. Looks like it is in Times Roman (New? I don't know) and the letters are kerned.
Also it has the same closed 4.
Why couldn't Killian have used this typewriter to make those docs?
How many dead & wounded in Iraq by the end of a 2nd Bush term?
By extrapolating the casualty rates posted at
http://icasualties.org/oif/
one might reasonably expect the following totals by the end of a 2nd Bush term:
Killed....approx 4,560
Wounded....approx 25,580
Data indicate that 15% of Vietnam Vets came home with chronic Post Traumatic Stress Disorder ..so expect the same frequency from Iraq ...unkown number will have it but it will be in the thousands.
The GWB Pro Forma.....
PJB
You know, I just want to thank all the idiotic moderates out there - Drum, Marshall, Ezra, Yglesias - who rolled over and pissed all over themselves at the first sign of the moronic brownshirt fuck "disinformation" campaign regarding the Killian memos. There is absolutely, positively not a hint of a shred of a clue of credible evidence that these memos have been "forged," but as soon as the brownshirt stormtroopers started typing in their scripts, the Capitulaing Moderate Blogger Brigade had their usual panic attack and fell all over themselves trying to kiss up to the right. Instead of asking any questions regarding the ridiculous and easily disproved (hey, "bloggers" - ever heard of "Google"?) claims regarding the state of typewriter art at the time of the memos' production, they started wringing their hands and getting all nervous and flushed in the face and, instead of standing up to the incredibly ridiculous conspiracy theories of the right-wing bully boys, they did what they usually do and started goosestepping right along.
Thanks for fucking nothing, you pricks. You pulled the same shit when you all went along with Bush's most excellent Iraq adventure, and not a fucking one of you has ever acknowledged the blood on your hands, much less apologized to the huge numbers of your readers who had the balls to say "bullshit" and hit the bricks in protest while you sat in Starbucks with your laptops clucking your tongues and giving handjobs to the likes of Ken "I'm Getting It As Wrong As I Can" Pollack.
As far as I'm concerned, you've given aid and comfort to the enemy for the last time. You can all go fuck yourselves. You're no better than the media whores you pretend to replace, and from this point forward, will be treated as such.
Fuck you moderate sell-outs in hell.
It's little-known that Bob Marley worked as Jerry Killian's secretary in the 70's to make a little extra cash.
I typed in serif
But I had to type it manually
I typed in serif
But I had to type it manually
IBM was the first then
Ugly fonts they tried to stem
They said they wanted it to be pretty
Still you had to type it manually.
I had to type it manually.
(Reposted from the assault rifle thread, where they're still arguing about guns.)
Dogberry -- thanks for the link to All Songs Considered. Interesting stuff.
I'm not sure I see the proportionality in that gif. Is there a detail, x, y line numbers you could point out perhaps?
(I so far accept the CBS case and think President aWol should be impeached and imprisoned. And I typed up many a military form during that period and honestly cannot see how this forgery bs gets spouted, as if Shrub passed his physical with flying colors and continued for fly for several years in the Guard.)
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Tanita Tikarim is working for me tonight..... It doesn't get much better than that, IMHO.
to
At 9:05, Andrew Card tells Bush the US is under attack.
At 9:12, Bush finally gets out of the chair.
At 9:35, (ex)freeper nails it:
Osama bin Ladin is my guess***
Maybe, but GB wants ground troops in Iraq so I guess Sadaam is going to get the blame.
85 posted on 09/11/2001 6:35:37 AM PDT by The Documentary Lady
dave,
Thanks for saying it. I feel that way about those guys alot. (espes. Drum)
dave, I agree to.
OT, but what kind of world is it where fucking Karl Rove and Cheney are still drawing breath and my cat isn't?
dave and gumchewer - D'accord.
DAVE! I and I'm sure many others agree with you! I get so sick of this fair and balanced BULLSHIT when we're dealing with the creeps that they are! I want people to go out and slice and dice them. It seems like some of these fair people might be thinking that they could be the next round of sell-outs,ass kissers,and boot lickers we have now! FUCK A LOT OF PEOPLE! WHERE'S MY WHISKEY?
Dave's right. Like it or not, he's right.
Loyalty is a virtue, too, and sometimes it beats fairmindedness. We can be objective later. Now, we fight.
hey, you know where that Bin Ladin fella is? You know, the one who has been running around in Afganastan for what, 3 years now? The one responsible for killing 3000 Americans? Hey, weren't we gonna git im, isn't that what the Chimpy was gonna do, dead or alive or somethin? WTF? 3 years? Why aren't all our troops in Afganastan turning over the rocks for this guy? ohhhhhh, Iraq.
And so went the conversation I had with a right wing fucktard today in East Tennessee, and it was a lot of fun. Everyone should try it.
I'm with Dave on this too.
They (Drum, Marshall), didn't wait twenty-four fucking hours to see how this would play out before they folded and went home.
I never had any doubts, but I guess that's just me.
OT, but what kind of world is it where fucking Karl Rove and Cheney are still drawing breath and my cat isn't?
fourlegsgood
Did something happen to your cat?
Dave is right.
Psychotic, but right.
I'm sick of this whole thing- we all know that Bush skipped his flight physical and was grounded.
And he was discharged from the Texas National Guard only, not from the rest of his obligation.
The documents, the undisputed ones, are clear about that.
Why can't the press pull their heads out of their collective asses and get a clue? And a pox on everyone who wanted to buy into the winger nonsense.
Incognito, yes.
I had to put him to sleep earlier tonight.
Here's what I want to know:
Why was dipshit chosen to be the antiChrist in 2000 instead of Obviously smarter and less entangled (that I know of) Jeb?
I've yet to figure that shit out.
Boston Globe: Authenticity backed on Bush documents
I'm sorry to hear that four legs. What the hell happened?
Sorry about your friend fourlegsgood, that hurts
More Bush TANG details
Why was dipshit chosen to be the antiChrist in 2000 instead of Obviously smarter and less entangled (that I know of) Jeb?
I think chimpy got elected governor first, probably because texans are more idiotic than people in florida. Jeb lost his first run for governor.
Jeb's a right wing nut too. He's just not as stupid as chimpy.
I can understand if you don't want to talk about it.
fourlegsgood -- I am really sorry to hear about your cat. Had it been sick long?
My condolences, flg.
Thanks guys. He was really old and he had chronic pancreatitis.
He's gotten really really thin and his kidneys were failing. He was miserable- he had almost 18 good years though, he lived a really good life. I just couldn't stand to see him suffering.
Now he's an angel kitty. Maybe he'll get god to do something about fucking chimpy.
Wow, 18 years old is amazing. We have on that's 15 and three that are about 9. I've had lots of cats in my life but never ones that made it so long until we moved to the country. It's strange how even their faces age, just like people. Yours must have been well loved and cared for to have lived so long.
Wow, 18 years old is amazing. We have on that's 15 and three that are about 9. I've had lots of cats in my life but never ones that made it so long until we moved to the country. It's strange how even their faces age, just like people. Yours must have been well loved and cared for to have lived so long.
He lived the live of riley alright.
Here's proof.
It's sad that their lives are so short.
Vindication
Philip D. Bouffard, a forensic document examiner in Ohio who has analyzed typewritten samples for 30 years, had expressed suspicions about the documents in an interview with the New York Times published Thursday, one in a wave of similar media reports. But Bouffard told the Globe yesterday that after further study, he now believes the documents could have been prepared on an IBM Selectric Composer typewriter available at the time.
I agree with Dave's sentiments -- it's hard to understand why people were discussing the intricate mechanical details of 60's era typewriters all day today, and saying, "Gosh, are they forgeries?" instead of saying, "Yeah, this asshole who had the nerve to smear Kerry's war record by proxy, is the same one who weaseled out of his commitment to the National Guard. Here's proof."
Over and over again.
P.S. All cats go to heaven.
I'll never love anyone or anything again. Hurts too much if something happens to them.
It is a fearful thing to love what death can
touch. -- Unknown
Nellie rules, as does Jolee Holland.
I've heard of her, but not heard her. Listening to the new Guided By Voices, Twilight Singers and Drive-By Truckers these days. If you haven't heard "The Dirty South" by the latter band, go over to iTunes and check it out. "Puttin' People On The Moon" just chokes me up whenever I listen to it:
PUTTIN' PEOPLE ON THE MOON
Mary Alice had a baby and he looked just like I did
We got married on a Monday and I been working ever since
Every week down at the Ford Plant but now they say they're shutting down
Goddamned Reagan in the White House and no one there gives a damn
Double Digit unemployment, TVA be shutting soon
While over there in Huntsville, They puttin' people on the moon
So I took to runnin' numbers for this man I used to know
And I sell a few narcotics and I sell a little blow
I ain't getting rich now but I'm gettin' more than by
It's really tough to make a living but a man just got to try
If I died in Colbert County, Would it make the evening news?
They too busy blowin' rockets, Puttin' people on the moon
Mary Alice quit askin' why I do the things I do
I ain't sayin' that she likes it, but what else I'm gonna do?
If I could solve the world's problems I'd probably start with hers and mine
But they can put a man on the moon
And I'm stuck in Muscle Shoals just barely scraping by
Mary Alice got cancer just like everybody here
Seems everyone I know is gettin' cancer every year
And we can't afford no insurance, I been 10 years unemployed
So she didn't get no chemo so our lives was destroyed
And nothin' ever changes, the cemetery gets more full
And now over there in Huntsville, even NASA's shut down too
Another Joker in the White House, said a change was comin' round
But I'm still workin' at The Wal Mart and Mary Alice, in the ground
And all them politicians, they all lyin' sacks of shit
They say better days upon us but I'm sucking left hind tit
And the preacher on the TV says it ain't too late for me
But I bet he drives a Cadillac and I'm broke with some hungry mouths to feed
I wish I'z still an outlaw, was a better way of life
I could clothe and feed my family still have time to love my pretty wife
And if you say I'm being punished. Ain't he got better things to do?
Turnin' mountains into oceans Puttin' people on the moon
Turnin' mountains into oceans Puttin' people on the moon
fourlegsgood -- Nikki was one stellar cat and that is a truly amazing photograph.
fourlegsgood,
I'm so sorry to hear about your cat. I've gone through that with two dogs and it's very hard. He was such a great-looking cat; all that hair!
He had a great life. Eighteen in cat years is very old, and he head you to fetch and carry. But it's still very hard. I will be thinking about you.
I'll never love anyone or anything again. Hurts too much if something happens to them.
It doesn't work that way, more's the pity. If you try to keep the hurt out you keep everything else out, too. So then you are a robot. I tried that, and it doesn't work. It's better to pay the price that is demanded of us.
Bush and Zell Miller are saying that if Kerry had his way, Saddam would still be in power.
If John Kerry had his way, there'd be 1003 more Americans enjoying their families.
Shameful! Bush and Miller are a disgrace.
I went to a psychic back then and she told me: "If pain and sorrow didn't dig holes in your heart, there would be no place for joy to later reside."--old Greek psychic.
She was full of shit.
Hurricane Ivan, Jamaica me crazy!
sorry to hear about your cat fourlegs, its especially hard when you have to be the adult.
We gettin poundin' by bumbaclot Ivan,,,,, still got power though.
fuck Bush!
Link to: Boston Globe: "Authenticity backed on Bush documents" -- Posted by Anonymous 09.11.04 - 2:51 am
Thanks, Anonymous, I needed that!
Now, dammit, I want 60 minutes to give another run at it on Sunday.
I'm off to the CBS/60 minutes site to congratulate them and urge them to flaunt their righteous vidication on the weekend where the ratings are better that their Wednesday show.
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/.../
main3415.shtml
"Contact" at the bottom of the page opens message window.
Don't know her music but I sure like these words.
She should write a song about that wonderful new word "squeaming". That's something liberals can really beat themselves up over and it might
actually do them some good.
We tend to be nervous nellies and to think that we've got to just accept that our opponents will get away with their lies. That only can happen if we allow them to. Self doubt when the evidence is on our side is silly and counter productive.
When have conservatives relied on real, not-produced-to-specification-for-profit information? Just about never. Our media is saturated with it but that doesn't mean we have to lie down and let it soak us.
gotta say, I'm with dave. it was the pussy brigade.
Check out my record, done entirely on an IBM Selectric, in 1975:
http://www.finemusicrecords.com
here's another interesting Nellie McKay song, called "Mickey Mouse" (not on her album, I'm afraid):
have you heard it tonight
have you cured your addiction
they're both damaged and white
wanna cure your affliction
soybeans help women with menopause symptoms
but there it is on tv, tv
it's
john john's in the house
he draws a crowd
he's got his medals gleamin
john john's got the move
he's got the groove
he's got me soothed and screamin
john john's got the brawn
he's taken over my lawn
broke my blender
ralphie is the one
but i must live with john john till november
do you feel like a liar
do you feel like a hypocrite
you're torn by desire
wanna go to both benefits
run for your life
it's the heat of july
and then there it is on tv, tv
it's
john john's in the house
he's gettin down
he's tried his hand at bakin
john john's got the glow
he stole the show
his hand is sore from shakin
john john plays the part
he's chowin on tofutti
dent my fender
ralphie has my heart
but i must live with john john till november
i hate to watch debates
you cut him out
you cut him out
and in the florida race
you cut them out
you cut them out
but
john john's in the house
he's spoutin proust
he's got good elocution
john john's walking tall
he's got the drawl
won't be no executions
john john looks above
he's talking of being returned to sender
ralphie's the one i love
but i must live with john john till november
I'll never love anyone or anything again. Hurts too much if something happens to them.
You can't think that way. He was such a joy- and it's natural that he had to go sometime. My llife would have been so much poorer without him.
It's hard to let them go though. Thanks everyone for the kind thoughts.
BigShemp - how is the new GBV album? Ever seen them live? They are excellent.
I am a pharmacist
Prescriptions I will fill you
Potions, pills and medicines
To ease your painful lives
I am a lost soul
I shoot myself with rock & roll
The hole I dig is bottomless
But nothing else can set me free
Dave,
You are the man!!!
I have never heard it put better, Drum, Marshall, eic. are a bunch of fucking Zell-outs.
After this election the Left is going to have to take a long looks at itself and purge all these fucking Zell-outs and Leiber-losers.
Shotta - thoughts and prayers with you and everyone there.
By the way Dave's rant against Drum, Marshall et al is spot on.
They caved in based solely on early reports spoon-fed to the mainstream media by Freepers.
Some lefty bloggers are so scared to be on the wrong side of an issue (afraid of the wrath LGF nutters) and give the Right far too much credit for staking out the "right" position. Marshall was wrong about Iraq and he is wrong about typewriter gate.
Josh Marshall, let us know when your balls drop, will ya?
Dave; you right---
If you are a true Liberal, you should have seen through the Republican spin and shit by now. Like some of us have said before, some of the SCL's secretly want W for 4 more.
Sorry dave,
Didn't mean to step on your toes over at Drums
"Bush is conservative like a butcher is an animal lover" - Priceless
Hey, fourlegsgood. Long time no blog ...
Sorry to hear about the cat. Ours have gone off and hid, or just sat in the basket as they go.
Kinda weird they only live about 8 to 20 years, that's a long time to us humans too.
We used to take them to PA and bury them in the front yard, hope your one gets a good send-off.
Many mice,
- jonku
damn fourlegs, reminds me of my first cat, chessie. she was a bad ass. peace on you. get another one, you know, after an appropriate period of mourning.
i don't care, forgeries or not, dan put it to 'em. hell i thought he might pull his revolver and say look any you rattlesnake motherfuckers want a piece of me "bring it on."
but lets face it this election will not be decided by the war that happened 35 years ago. i'll say this, none of my freinds have been wild about kerry, but they are all still voting. for kerry, of course, or they would no longer be my freinds.
as for the music chick, is that the really attractive girl i see on cable adv. sitting on a stool, playing guitar? she's good.
Hey, fourlegsgood. Long time no blog ...
Sorry to hear about the cat. Ours have gone off and hid, or just sat in the basket as they go.
Kinda weird they only live about 8 to 20 years, that's a long time to us humans too.
We used to take them to PA and bury them in the front yard, hope your one gets a good send-off.
Many mice,
- jonku
okay, now I'm pissed. Echoing a previous poster, can hell-o-scan please fix the duplicate posting bug.
DUPLICATE POSTIMG BUG.
Sorry for shouting. And put a line break in overly long URLs. Take a look at Slashdot for inspiration, I think they call it the "lameness filter."
Honestly I can't fathom it. I hardly even want to post this now, I just want to rewrite hellascan and get A. to use my version or else can I just fix the one that's there?
What happened to the guy who kept advertising tiny URL? Is he their rep or what? Fix this please.
Bush or Kerry, what's the difference to us on the bottom? flg..get another kitty.. there is one that needs your love right now!
why does it matter?
quit brow-beating your idealogy.
just because more than 50% of the slime (people) in this country, ruin it.
just because you want to be with the winners not whiners?
the path of righteousness has never been paved!
where is the outrage; absolute and determined at the undermining of america by the right-wing machine?
what about plame, yellow-cake, guantanamo, abu-ghraib, osama, afghanistan, iraq, north korea.
china dictating our monetary policy?
what about drilling in arctic refuge for SUVs?
what about arsenic in water - or sulfur for clean skies?
what about legislating hate?
what about attempting to undermine a woman's right to choose?
what about jeebus-freek judges?
what about the economy and the lack of job creation...smack 'em on how the economy is good for the richest of the rich - only!
fuck security - it is what the thugs stand for - we cannot hope to meet them there...hit the points that WE are good at!
Goddam friggin a-hole dam-fa-crats!
Sorry about your kitty, 4legs. I know how much it hurts.
Hrm.. Hurricane control. What do YOU think?
http://www.bariumblues.com/storm.../
storm_fury.htm
Sure does take up the news right after the conventions...
Hrm.. Hurricane control. What do YOU think?
http://www.bariumblues.com/storm.../
storm_fury.htm
Odd there wasn't any terrorist chatter or threats during the Republican Convention but there was during the Democratic Conventions.
Ahh Rovie you are a genius...
Sure does take up the news right after the conventions...
Hrm.. Hurricane control. What do YOU think?
http://www.bariumblues.com/storm.../
storm_fury.htm
Odd there wasn't any terrorist chatter or threats during the Republican Convention but there was during the Democratic Conventions.
Ahh Rovie you are a genius...
Dave is right. Psychotic, but right.
What the fuck happened to the blogosphere I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts, huh? "Ooh, we're afraid to go with you, dave, we might get in trouble." Well, just kiss my ass from now on!
OK- WFT is up with Kerry's campaign? It looks like the pussies are back in Kerry's campaign. Explain to me this:
From the NYT:
Mr. Kerry's advisers concede that the drumbeat of attacks from Mr. Bush has been effective. But divisions have surfaced in the campaign and in the party over how best - and how far - to take on Mr. Bush.
adn then:
Officials said these attacks were being made through the party and not the campaign to provide a measure of distance from Mr. Kerry, who is described by many officials as reluctant himself to impugn the president's character.
Now, the more difficult question, officials say, is just how the Kerry campaign - even if Mr. Kerry does not take part directly - should go after Mr. Bush. Some of Mr. Kerry's closest friends and longtime political operatives from Boston, who have now set up shop at Democratic headquarters in Washington, are pressing for more, saying the campaign and the candidate must go on the offensive, to restore Mr. Kerry's own character as a political asset and to hold Mr. Bush accountable for attacks on Mr. Kerry.
These friends and former aides, led by David Thorne, a Yale classmate, fellow Navy veteran and brother of Mr. Kerry's first wife, are agitating for the candidate himself to answer what they called the character-assassination attacks of people like Vice President Cheney and members of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. They are pushing for Mr. Kerry to make a dramatic statement of his own to settle voters' doubts about Mr. Kerry's Vietnam War period.
Officials in the campaign, however, including both longstanding consultants like Bob Shrum and new additions like Joe Lockhart and other veterans of the Clinton administration, have balked at such a move, saying it could be a disaster and alienate too many swing voters who would view such an approach as mean-spirited. They said Mr. Kerry would do better to concentrate on issues where he outperforms Mr. Bush in polls, like jobs and health care.
Didnt we hear this three weeks ago?
"While Mr. Kerry's longtime friends from Boston privately express frustration that they have been unable to get Mr. Kerry to stand up for himself more, one senior Kerry aide said obliquely that the campaign still planned to address the attacks on Mr. Kerry in a dramatic way."
"You have not heard the last from us on this subject," the aide said."
Hey, I hope the strategy works, but why didnt they go negative when they had the lead. Now Rove will just convicne people that Kerry's is desperate. Mark my words-you will hear this line from the repubs really soon. It stills seems like nobody is in charge of that campaign
Repukes don't need proof to be swayed.
They have orders which must be obeyed.
Compared to grownups,
They're blind little pups,
Who are in need of a fucking nursemaid.
Lime Rickey - the Woot of the written word.
(And where the fuck is woot?)
NYT has an excellent and thorough report today on CBS docs. Spoke to IBM and other typewriter experts. IBM spokesperson said they had proportional spacing since 1944. Lexmark (IBM's printer division sold to Lexmark in 80's) person said there was custom-fitted superscripting in those days.
In any case, superscripting should not be an issue anymore, since CBS and others have shown other TANG Bush docs
had same kind of superscripting.
NYT - CBS Defends Its Report on Bush Military Record
Wapo's Howard Kurtz didn't advance the story. Some drivel warmed over from yesterday.
Wapo - Rather Defends CBS Over Memos on Bush
Boston Globe supported CBS. Link upthread. Guardian has an AP story
which found it odd
Bush's use of training planes in '72 after flying F-102s for 18 months.
Something really odd here. Link upthread.
Do you ever plan to explain to us why you will vote for the Democrats, "Libertarian", or are you just going to endlessly repeat how weak they supposedly are?
Even "Stunt Woman" got a new act eventually; although that was probably because we caught Dr Obsessovus using her name. It's quite the monomania you've got going there, "Libertarian"
Lib,
I acknowledge that you are the unrivaled expert in running successful presidential campaigns, but one thing you might include in the calibration of your recommended response is the fact that the vast, vast majority of voters do stuff other than read and post on blogs, and so are not quite as well versed as you and I are in the exquisite details of of moral corruption of the chimp and his minions. I think the big dog is right when he advises Kerry to give people a reason to vote FOR him.
ecoast,
You did not get the memo? The whole story was made up by the swifties. Face it- Rove pulled off a masterfull subterfuse. On CSPAN, even the undecides were confused. That was the point to create confusion-not prove to people that they are forgeries. If only the Kerry team could be this good. Instaed they let charges float around for months.
Phredd,
Then why is his campaign in chaos? Why is he hesitent to attack Bush? Why are the libertarians who have questions about bush (I'm not the only one)think Kerry is weak and Bush is strong. Why are they questioning hte authenticity of these docs? I am a sceptic, but this is beyond me. I want Bush to lose, but I don't see him losing if hte Kerry campaign stays in the same mode for the next 57 days
Here's a good one from Marshall:
Kevin Drum asks exactly the right question in this post. Who in the press will place the call?
Umm, gee, Josh, aren't you in the press? Why don't you pick up the fucking phone?
Why are the libertarians who have questions about bush (I'm not the only one)think Kerry is weak and Bush is strong.
'Cause they're fucking idiots?
Just a guess...
Then why is his campaign in chaos? Why is he hesitent to attack Bush? Why are the libertarians who have questions about bush (I'm not the only one)think Kerry is weak and Bush is strong.
Well, IM very, very HO, it is because you are buying into to Rovian spin. What makes you believe his campaign is in chaos?
Meanwhile, here's Josh's soul mate, Drum:
It's increasingly clear that President Bush has no idea what to do in Iraq. He'd like to turn it into a democratic beacon for the Middle East, but he doesn't know how. So all he can do is chant "stay the course" and hope that no one catches on to how bad things are on the ground before November 2...
Wrong war at the wrong time indeed.
Gee, Kevin, too bad you couldn't figure this out a year and a half and over 1000 American casualties ago. But no, then you were waving your flag and strutting your stuff and pissing all over those pussy leftist appeaseniks who had the audacity to challenge Fearless Leader's crusade.
Moderate motherfucker...
Sure does take up the news right after the conventions...Hurricane's are great to cover news now that the Kobe trial and Scott Peterson trial are no good for cover.
Hrm.. Hurricane control. What do YOU think?
http://www.bariumblues.com/storm.../
storm_fury.htm
Odd there wasn't any terrorist chatter or threats during the Republican Convention but there was during the Democratic Conventions.
Ahh Rovie you are a genius...
Wait the Federal Reserve Bank is privatized!!!
George W. Bush is no Cincinnatus...
Sure does take up the news right after the conventions...Hurricane's are great to cover news now that the Kobe trial and Scott Peterson trial are no good for cover.
Hrm.. Hurricane control. What do YOU think?
http://www.bariumblues.com/storm.../
storm_fury.htm
Odd there wasn't any terrorist chatter or threats during the Republican Convention but there was during the Democratic Conventions.
Ahh Rovie you are a genius...
Wait the Federal Reserve Bank is privatized!!!
George W. Bush is no Cincinnatus...
Sure does take up the news right after the conventions...Hurricane's are great to cover news now that the Kobe trial and Scott Peterson trial are no good for cover.
Hrm.. Hurricane control. What do YOU think?
http://www.bariumblues.com/storm.../
storm_fury.htm
Odd there wasn't any terrorist chatter or threats during the Republican Convention but there was during the Democratic Conventions.
Ahh Rovie you are a genius...
Wait the Federal Reserve Bank is privatized!!!
George W. Bush is no Cincinnatus...
To a wingnut, the world is a puzzle.
Each day brings fresh cumloads to guzzle.
His masters decide
Whom to deride,
And which assholes he now must nuzzle.
Phredd,
These are people talking to the NYT-friends of Kerry saying this, not Rove. Each that goes by, I become angrier at Bush and his lies. His lies are old, but somehow the Kerrry campaign cannot blunt them. The last 2 elections are best that it is going to get with regard to the issues. Gore: good economy, peaceful world. Kerry: big deficit, bad job market, quagmire, etc.. But somehow Kerry is struggling to find a strategy. If Bush wins and hte economy recovers, then how wil Dems win the nextn prez race. The problem I see with the campaign is that every few weeks they come out and say "just wait, we are really going to attack bush". Then I hear W is for wrong. That is not an attack. Another problem is that rhe repub strategy has been to ridicule Kerry, while Kerry only wants to talk about day to day policies.
I can't find copies of the Killian's memos, but weren't at least a couple of them labeled "Memo to File?" If so, Killian wrote those memoes to himself to document what he was seeing and doing; they were probably not meant to be circulated. They were CYA. His widow's and son's claims that he would never have written them is ridiculous. He could still have been confronting the issue overtly, but written the memoes to cover his tracks.
Sure does take up the news right after the conventions...Hurricane's are great to cover news now that the Kobe trial and Scott Peterson trial are no good for cover.
Hrm.. Hurricane control. What do YOU think?
http://www.bariumblues.com/storm.../
storm_fury.htm
Odd there wasn't any terrorist chatter or threats during the Republican Convention but there was during the Democratic Conventions.
Ahh Rovie you are a genius...
Wait the Federal Reserve Bank is privatized!!!
George W. Bush is no Cincinnatus...
Sure does take up the news right after the conventions...Hurricane's are great to cover news now that the Kobe trial and Scott Peterson trial are no good for cover.
Hrm.. Hurricane control. What do YOU think?
http://www.bariumblues.com/storm.../
storm_fury.htm
Odd there wasn't any terrorist chatter or threats during the Republican Convention but there was during the Democratic Conventions.
Ahh Rovie you are a genius...
Wait the Federal Reserve Bank is privatized!!!
George W. Bush is no Cincinnatus...
Hate to break into the weather report, but in honor of fourlegsgood cat (see way above), everyone should go here.
well looks like this link to the gadflyer will fit right in here. a taste of waldman after interview confrontation with that readhead bearded prick, brent bozell.
WALDMAN: What part of it?
BOZELL: You're a liar!
WALDMAN: What are you talking about?
BOZELL: That stuff about Kerry!
WALDMAN: What, about atrocities?
BOZELL: He called them war criminals!
WALDMAN: He didn't accuse any individuals of anything.
BOZELL: You're a liar!
WALDMAN: He never accused those guys of anything.
BOZELL: John Kerry is a liar, and you're a liar!
WALDMAN: What are you talking about?
BOZELL: Fuck you!
i read somewhere bozell is related to buckley, i don't see how that could be. buckley, is kind of smart.
Lib, I just don't put much stock in what the NYT has to say about Kerry.
But here's an idea! Why don't you form a Libertarians for Kerry group? That way you could do something constructive with all that energy and frustration. I hope you can recruit my 'libertarian' colleague who is a federal disease investigator for the CDC. (heh!)
Bush was awol --even without the Killian documents not that there is anything wrong with them but there is enough other evidence to support the questions of his service and where was he in 1972 and what was Bush doing
CBS now joins the ranks of Americans Smeared by Bush...and the rest of the media was only to happy to pile on forgetting the lesson of history
When they came for CBS --I worked at ABC and thought I would pile on...
Libertarians for Kerry. Hmmm.....
What am I supposed to say? I don't agree with most of Kerry's positions but Bush is so incompetent and such a liar and so dangerous that it is ABB for me. Let me tell you about what the main complaint is from my liber friends. I hear it daily. It is that Kerry does not fight back. That he is wimpy, and at least Bush seems "strong" This has nothing to do with issues but is more of a gut and viceral feeling. This is what Kerry does not understand. He thinks issues are going to win it for him. that is what Gore thought. Even some bush strategist have admitted in the past that if they had to run on issues, that they would lose
I prefer a fightin' Kerry myself, but none of my newly registered friends give a damn about that. Most of 'em don't even watch the news. All they care about is that they want Bush gone. I'm convinced there are many new voters out there with similar views. They don't watch TV, they don't answer polls and they don't visit sites like this, but they will turn out to give Bush his pink slip.
I just posted this over at Drum-shit's site:
Hey guys, I’m starting to like this rational, agnostic and moderate way of thinking, and I am considering joining forces with your gang, but first I have a few questions to get out of the way.
Since it wouldn’t be rational, agnostic or moderate to change Presidents during a time of war, what is going to be the rational, agnostic and moderate take when the ReThugs start talking up invading Iran in 2005?
What is the rational, agnostic and moderate response going to be to Patriot Act II?
Since nuclear weapons are soon going to be a dime a dozen thanks to Bush reversing Clinton’s irrational, atheistic and radical plan to stop North Korea from proliferating these weapons, what is the rational, agnostic and moderate response going to be to Al Qaida detonating atomic bombs in the US?
What will the rational, agnostic and moderate response be to the Safe Haven Act of 2007 that calls for “protection centers” to be built for all US Muslims, protestors, and homosexuals?
Since we know the Right will collaborate and the Left will fight to its last man, what will be the rational, agnostic and moderate response to George W. Bush, in early 2008, cutting and running on his country for a second time and signing an unconditional surrender document in the presence of Osama bin Laden?
Get back to me soon guys.
Let me tell you about what the main complaint is from my liber friends. I hear it daily. It is that Kerry does not fight back. That he is wimpy, and at least Bush seems "strong".
Glad to see someone from the inside confirm that "libertarians" are as idiotic as your standard issue wingnut.
So we should listen to this just-as-stupid-as-Republicans group because why??????
Even some bush strategist have admitted in the past that if they had to run on issues, that they would lose
well duh, look it ain't over till it's over. kerry has proved more than once, that when he gets pissed he can deliver. other than that i kind of agree with you, but it's not over. and frankly bush is so bad i could go for sharpton, hell i'd vote for reagan ABB is damn right.
Meanwhile, regarding the home front: on Jan. 31, 2001. – Hart and Rudman appeared on Hardball, with some warnings: “One of the things we have concluded, and this is serious Americans for two and a half years, that the national security of this country is threatened by the lowering of the caliber of appointed officials. It's a serious...”; Rudman also said that there was little coordination betw agencies; we’re unprepared.
margie burns a list of failures and incompetence.
Lib,
I feel your pain, I really do. There is no shortage of advice for Kerry anywhere you go. I'm also glad that you are ABB, and I really commend you for your political awareness and your commitment.
I think one of the most important thing that any of us can do if we want to save ourselves from the Bush administration, is to understand how in holy hell almost half the nation can still give positive approval ratings to this catastrophic administration.
I did a little project for the Kerry campaign, and it was extremely enlightening. I think the answer to that is extreme media bias in the small markets; television especially and also the small newspapers.
Maybe you libs would like to organize to do some media watch in small markets. You can go to Media Resources to find all the information you need to start a project like that.
Please, Repukes, spare yourselves further pain.
Experts say that the Chimp's gone insane.
Sure, you revel in swill,
But there's hope for you still.
With some practice, you might grow a brain.
Lib,
To illustrate my point above, this clip from WVEC Channel 13 in the Hampton Roads/Newport News, VA area could use a good dose of media watch. I'm watching my own local stations a continent away, and sometimes feel like a voice in the wilderness, but actually, I have seen this kind of thing work. A little balance in the local TV markets can only be a good thing.
People can't form rational opinions when they only see garbage like this.
Dave,
The reason why you should listen to my conservative/libertarian friends is because they are leaning Kerry. They are not as sophisitcated as the blog community, they read headlines. After the Dem convention, they were strongly for Kerry. Now they don't know anymore. I know it sound crazy, but these are how undecides make up their minds. Dont shoot the messanger
The Republicans in power do not stand for "Security"; any more than a Wolf guards a Henhouse.
This is precisely the echo-chamber meme we need to puncture, and simply replace with a crystal-clear view of the unvarnished truth regarding their actions, and the consequenses those actions have had, and will have for our country.
Exhibit A: The US and the world is a whole lot less secure on their "watch", which they had to steal in the first place.
What kind of upstanding representatives of "Law and Order" disrespect the People Of The United States enough to steal an election?
I never in a million years thought I would agree with Patrick Buchannan, of all people, but I guess desperate times reveal fundamental truths:
As Mr. Buchannan himself pointed out in a recent editorial, what Mr. Bush actually does have is a talent for projecting a belief in his own ideology.
Mr. Buchannan (an arch-conservative of the old school) goes on to point out that the fact that Mr. Bush's ideology is dead wrong is entirely beside the point.
What they are "great" at is portraying themselves as "conservative", at wrapping themselves in the Flag, and at using all sorts of dishonest nonsense and dirty tricks to manipulate the American people, whom they view as rubes that deserve to be fleeced.
But the truth is, as one blogger recently put it so well, that the current crop of Republicans are actually "Conservative like a Butcher is an Animal Lover".
The reality is that these particular "conservatives" are dangerous, loose cannons who believe in nothing but taking whatever they can get, wherever they can get it.
"Federally Protected Arctic Refuge?" they say with a straight face to the American People, "Nonsense! We're gonna drill out the oil. That's our land, not yours."
Responsible?? To whom??
To the Oil Interests, that's who.
Allowing the overwhelmingly successful ban on assault weapons to lapse after it has saved thousands of lives over the past 10 years, especially at a time when we are in the midst of dealing with an extremely severe rash of terrorists, is simply not the behaviour of a responsible party that is truly concerned with the best interests and the actual Security of the men, women, children, and infrastructure of our country.
The police (who are not, generally speaking, flaming liberals) agree that allowing assault weapons back into the mix is not merely a bad idea:
since it will almost certainly make it easier for terrorists to access these weapons, it is actually an awful idea.
How on God's earth is allowing an all-time-record Surplus to transform itself in 4 years into an all-time-record Trillion Dollar Deficit an example of "Responsible" behaviour on the part of anyone with the actual "Security" of this country at heart???
Carrying a few bags of ice and writing a nice fat check with our red ink doth not a responsible "Leader" make
continued
Let's talk about what is actually "conservative".
Let's talk about what is actually "responsible".
GET OUT THERE AND REGISTER VOTERS.
That is all.
After the Dem convention, they were strongly for Kerry. Now they don't know anymore.
You know, I just don't have the patience to deal with complete and total morons. It's simple as that.
cheneyis a dick
that's what the boston globe says, i agree.
According to Clarke and other insiders, Bush, Cheney, and their colleagues often appeared to dismiss the threat from Al Qaeda purely because that threat had been a primary concern of the Clinton administration. Indeed, Bill Clinton has said he tried to warn Bush that bin Laden would demand attention as the number one danger to US security.
how these fuckers could be running on this issue, and leading, is beyond me. but i do think we will be attacked again, sometime some how. it's not like they have actually done anything to protect infrastructure. well, the beggining of a police state. i guess that's something.
don't know about a terrorists attack but from what i've seen on the campaign trail i predict there will be a fatality or more, at least physical casualties, connected with one or both of the campaigns.
back to typwriters.
Lib,
I know it sound crazy, but these are how undecides make up their minds.
Then your mission, if you choose to accept it, is to demonstrate categorically how the bush administration is the very antithesis of libertarianism/conservatism. There's plenty of fodder there for you to use. How do they like the PATRIOT acts? How do they like Ashcroft? Ya know, getting rid of Bush means getting that whole group of looneys out. They may not like Kerry or Democrats, but libertarians, of all political people, should despise and fear John Ashcroft.
Phredd,
We do fear the Patriot Act. That is why we are happy the assault weapon ban is going to be lifted. we will need them to protect us from the "tyranny of hte majority".
how these fuckers could be running on this issue, and leading, is beyond me.
I've noticed that in areas with good quality newspapers, anti_Bush sentiment is strong: Chicago (Bush 38%) Los Angeles (Bush 42%) New York (Bush 37%) DC (Bush 9%) Massachusetts (Bush 30%).
However, most people don't live in areas with good quality newspapers, and get their news from biased little rags and two-bit local channels, as I cited above. (GUESS who owns most of those?)
I've watched and read a lot of news from these kinds of venues, and from my observation, the coverage of Bush is glowing to the point of adulation; Kerry getting perfunctory, if not hostile, coverage.
You know, I just want to thank all the idiotic moderates out th--
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Hey, Atrios. I recommended Nellie McKay to you months ago.
"Hari-kari"? WTF? That's hara-kiri, dammit!
Kerry must start a class warfare populist attack on Bush.Did I say "Class Warfare"?Heavens me,I must be a commie beatnik.The "Two Americas" bit is good but needs a little more pepper to get the sheep,the rubes and the drones to grow a spine.That Bush line about the rich and their accountants is ripe meat ready for roasting.But Im just a commie beatnik,right?
Four Legs Good:
I am very sorry for your loss. You were a good cat parent to stop the suffering.
Angel kitty will now thank you for the many wonderful years with which you provided him and wipe the smirk off of the chimp's face with a lightening-like swipe of the claws out cat paw.
Be well.
I'm way ahead of you (for once). I got it months ago, after Air America interviewed her.
Just to tie together a few elements on this thread, perhaps fourlegsgood you might consider the advice of Nellie McKay:
"My cat died, so I quickly poured myself some gin/did she die of old age or was it for my sins?"
I'll have myself a gin in your cat's memory - after breakfast.
A really great CD!
FLG- I managed to get my 2 previous friends to within spitting distance of 19. One died naturally in my arms, and the other was put to sleep with me there. It's been 7-8 years and I still think about them everyday.
My sympathies.
Bush and Zell Miller are saying that if Kerry had his way, Saddam would still be in power.
If John Kerry had his way, there'd be 1003 more Americans enjoying their families.
If John Kerry had his way, at least 11,000 Iraqi civilians would still be alive.
If John Kerry had his way, the United States would still be respected by our friends and allies.
If John Kerry had his way, no innocent people would have been tortured by US prison guards.
And on, and on...
There is a special place in Hell for the likes of Zell.
When they came for CBS --I worked at ABC and thought I would pile on...
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I just think that needs repeating.
CNN this am is still playing forgery clips that are worthy of the segregationist press of the fifties, integrity-wise. Maybe in forty or fifty years someone will buy them out and similarly issue an apology.
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As for the memos!
Their authenticity stands, having survived all the ridiculous arguments about kerning and fonts.
We all knew already that Nero was getting special treatment, starting with his admission into the National Guard ahead of many more qualified people.
We already knew that he had refused to take a required physical examination.
This just adds more evidence, and the new twist of flagrant insubordination.
The only question now is: what was Nero's punishment for defying a direct order?
For a second, I was hoping Atrios had been talking about Nelly and the whole crazy crew from St. Lou. Or Nelly Furtado. Sigh...Get with it, Atrios!
Fourlegs, I'm sorry about your kitty. I've been there, cried 'til there were no more tears in me. My 3 are getting up in years, 13, 10, and 4. Nothing like your four paws friend on your lap while you do the crossword or lying across the keyboard while you read Eschaton.
Peace.
Sorry to hear about your cat, fourlegsgood. It's always very sad when your cat or dog dies.
Thanks again everyone for the kind thoughts.
Just got in, haven't read the whole thread, but... Nellie McKay ROCKS!! The album is incredibly addictive and didn't leave my CD player for weeks. Awesome talent in one so young; can't wait to hear what she does next.
Here's my own #1 choice for president:
http://www.81x.com/GuitarRanger/
...Bun_4_President
Mr. Bushy says: "I'm the President.
I have lots to say. Hey, hey, hey!"
Click goes the remote.
There you have my vote.
Catchin' the next boat out of here.
I recently met Nellie (she did an on-air interview at the station where I work). Wonderful gal. Drove all the way down with her mother. And frighteningly intelligent for her age.
re: the Nellie CD:
Crying for Wellstone?
http://plan.thewoottons.com/
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