I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
blah blah blah.
sez you.
oh yeah, first yada yada yada.
Is it 9/11? Top five stories on Yahoo as of 9:50AM -
•Families mark third anniversary of 9/11
•Bush, first lady observe 9/11 anniversary
•General: Bin Laden still issuing orders
•Port Authority joins 9/11 suit vs. Saudis
•Afghans observe 9/11 with mixed feelings
What should I pick from the Texas GOP Party Platform for today's reading? There's just so much to choose from; I just can't decide. Isn't that tragic?
You'll have to check my homepage to see. Yada yada.
I really like that catchphrase Kerry is/was working into his stump speech --
blah blah blah "and that is W -- Wrong"
i could see that catching on real quick. it could be the OK of 2004.
Remember 9/11; not for what happened in New York and Washington, but for what it did to the people of the country and the world. For a brief time, we were all together. There was no partisanship, there was just -- us.
Is everyone talked out or what?
Don't know if anyone mentioned this about our SCUM, but I tuned in Tweety the other night to see what he was saying about the evidence of Bush's AWOL surfacing.
Tweety instead was interviewing yet another group of veterans who hate John Kerry and are about to run ads against him, claiming that his words to the Senate were used to torture them while they were being held prisoner.
Uh-huh. Yeah.
So, I thought, I guess Tweety will talk about this in the second half of the show.
No dice. Instead, he had Joe Scarboroough on to talk about his new book.
Tweety, thy name is "whore".
Oh, yeah...
yada yada yada
Oh, and CNN's wet kiss to the Bush Campaign O' Fear is coming up Sunday night, when CNN does their best to scare the bejeebus out of the sheep with a program about how terrorists are likely to get nukes and kill us all.
Apparently we're a nation that prefers living on our knees to dying on our feet.
Yeah, I remember 9/11 alright. What I remember most about it is that a criminal gang that seized control of the presidency allowed it to happen, because they were more interested in protecting their Saudi friends and enriching themselves than they were in protecting the country; used the emotions raised by the event to manipulate the country into a catastrophic folly of a war with a country that had nothing to do with it and posed no threat to the U.S. or anyone else; failed to capture the people who were actually responsible because they were busy with their insane war of conquest elsewhere; and are now running for reelection on the basis that only they can assure national security. Meanwhile the mass media ignore all issues that matter and yammer endlessly about trivial nonsense when they aren't channeling the gangsters' lies. That's what I remember.
Well when the campaing performs like this what do you expect?
Didnt we hear this three weeks ago?
"While Mr. Kerry's longtime friends from Boston privately express frustration that they have been unable to get Mr. Kerry to stand up for himself more, one senior Kerry aide said obliquely that the campaign still planned to address the attacks on Mr. Kerry in a dramatic way."
"You have not heard the last from us on this subject," the aide said."
Hey, I hope the strategy works, but why didnt they go negative when they had the lead. Now Rove will just convicne people that Kerry's is desperate. Mark my words-you will hear this line from the repubs really soon. It stills seems like nobody is in charge of that campaign
My letter to the WaPo about their coverage of the Bush TANG Docs.
Dear WaPo:
Well, I guess the Post can't see the forest for the trees.
By allowing Howie Kurtz to lead writer Mike Allen around like he's got a ring in his nose, the Post again sinks to new journalistic lows.
Anyone with a scintilla of intelligence knows that Bush did not fulfill his obligations in the National Guard and has lied about it ever since. Where in Heaven's name has the Post been on this story? The point is not so much whether the documents in question are authentic, but the much larger one of Bush's honesty.
How about some journalism? How about getting your collective heads out of the sand? How about getting Kurtz out of your newsroom?
Suckers.
Just so everyone stays on top of things:
The reward for asking W One Simple Question has ballooned to $1730.62!
All you have to do is ask the President a question. How hard can that be?!
The World's Shortest Blog
The weather here today is identical to that day 3 years ago and I remember precisely the paralysis I felt for weeks afterwards. Sometimes I feel like we're still stuck on that day, gazing heavenward, stopped in our tracks. How else to explain the inability of the American people to stand up to the Bush regime?
Since this is an open thread -
A weird thing happened last night and I am not computer savvy enough to know what might be going on. I'd appreciate some input. I sent an email last night to CBS, thanking them for standing up for the truth.
I saved a copy in my sent file. As I often do,
I went back sometime after I sent it, and read it again. An hour later, I went back again. The email was still listed in my sent file, but when I click on it, I am taken to a blank compose page. The other email I had stored in that file is still there, and when I click on it, it opens. It's like someone got into my email and altered the program so that I can't access the CBS mail.
Any thoughts?
Tena, sounds like spyware
I saved a copy in my sent file. As I often do, I went back sometime after I sent it, and read it again. An hour later, I went back again. The email was still listed in my sent file, but when I click on it, I am taken to a blank compose page.
Something you did improperly after the first reread.
Dan Blather lied. Get over it.
Nothing like looking up a dead horse's ass forever, right Atrios?
Bwaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahaha!
After a couple of days of IBM Selectric and handwriting analysis it appears that CBS had copies of real documents, probably taken from microfilm. Where does this leave Sandra Ramsey Lines, the expert who flaunted her membership in the American Academy of Forensic Sciences. And where her colleagues telling her to shut the f*** up? More over at Corrente.
Shit, Tena, that's freaky. It could be a random glitch, but isn't sad that it's actually MORE plausible that something nefarious happened?
Yo Usamabinlazy, get a fucking life...asshole
I wish we'd get off this National Guard stuff. I'd like to hear some simple commercials endorsing Kerry, like...
I'm Lee Iacocca. You may know me as the former Chief Executive of
Chrysler Corporation.
As a businessman, I learned not to make the same mistake twice. Four
years ago, I voted for George W. Bush. Not this time. We need new
management in Washington. I'm voting for John Kerry.
...I'm John Kerry and I approved this ad and I thank the American people for their support.
Or Steve Jobs. Or any number of former military leaders and national security experts who support Kerry. Get 'em on the damn TV in simple endorsement ads.
This would be a perfect time for the Bush admin to release Bush's Guard records. It wouldn't get noticed by anyone...
Tweeeeeety only likes lies about John Kerry he is afraid of the truth about George Bush
NBC nothing but crap and lies for Bush
Dan Blather lied. Get over it.
Nothing like looking up a dead horse's ass forever, right Atrios?
Bwaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahaha!
Usamabinlazy - 10:12 am
Scintillating analysis. You've convinced me I'll vote for Bush.
Did anyone happen to see Bill Moyers piece on NOW last night about the 9/11 commission report?
Outstanding!!
I don't see how anyone could vote for GWB after watching this.
Incompetence, incompetence, incompetence!!!
The documents are authentic:
After CBS News on Wednesday trumpeted newly discovered documents that referred to a 1973 effort to ''sugar coat" President Bush's service record in the Texas Air National Guard, the network almost immediately faced charges that the documents were forgeries, with typography that was not available on typewriters used at that time.
But specialists interviewed by the Globe and some other news organizations say the specialized characters used in the documents, and the type format, were common to electric typewriters in wide use in the early 1970s, when Bush was a first lieutenant.
Philip D. Bouffard, a forensic document examiner in Ohio who has analyzed typewritten samples for 30 years, had expressed suspicions about the documents in an interview with the New York Times published Thursday, one in a wave of similar media reports. But Bouffard told the Globe yesterday that after further study, he now believes the documents could have been prepared on an IBM Selectric Composer typewriter available at the time.
Analysts who have examined the documents focus on several facets of their typography, among them the use of a curved apostrophe, a raised, or superscript, ''th," and the proportional spacing between the characters -- spacing which varies with the width of the letters. In older typewriters, each letter was alloted the same space.
Those who doubt the documents say those typographical elements would not have been commonly available at the time of Bush's service. But such characters were common features on electric typewriters of that era, the Globe determined through interviews with specialists and examination of documents from the period. In fact, one such raised ''th," used to describe a Guard unit, the 187th, appears in a document in Bush's official record that the White House made public earlier this year.
http://www.boston.com/news/natio...bush_documents/
There is a chronic problem with the Left when they are so easily thrown off their game by a bozo like Matt Drudge.
The Left needs to follow Open Attack here and drop some stones -- it's real simple:
THE CHARGE
Bush got special treatment to get in the Guard to avoid service in Vietnam, Bush went AWOL for a 9-month period from that Guard duty, and Bush failed to fulfill his commitments to the Guard and, therefore, to the nation.
OLD CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE FOR BUSH'S ACCUSERS
Gaps in military records, stonewalling from Bush, evasive and non-responsive statements from Bush and his aides, rumors without attribution.
OLD CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE FOR BUSH
A supposedly dispositive "honorable discharge."
NEW DIRECT EVIDENCE
This week CBS, AP, and the Boston Globe all come forward with stories about Bush's dereliction of Guard duty. The stories are all based on various new pieces of direct evidence, including (1) witnesses who had direct evidence of the events and (2) documents in excess of four pages, some of which the AP had to litigate to get their hands on and which are incontrovertable.
All the evidence corroborates what we already knew was the case -- Bush got special treatment to get in the Guard and duck a trip to Vietnam, Bush went AWOL, and Bush failed to complete his service requirements and obey orders.
All of this comes from a variety of sources, not just four pages, and it contradicts what Bush and his protectors have stated or refused to state about the issue.
THE VERDICT
Bush and his protectors lied.
POST-VERDICT REBUTTAL
Matt Drudge and some right nuts posit some easily refutable questions about typeface and superscript and ink blots, trying to get a feckless press to switch the story from "BUSH LIED" to "FOUR PAGES MIGHT BE FORGERIES." And what do you think happens?
Let's check this ... the only evidence presented to cast doubt on the authenticity of four of the documents are some half-assed questions pushed by Matt Drudge and other right nuts about the technical capabilities of 1970s IBM typewriters.
Matt Drudge, who routinely spews rumors without checking accuracy.
Matt Drudge, who begins the RNC talking points cycle each morning in 48-point Courier Bold.
Matt Drudge, who circulated a baseless story about an alleged Kerry affair with an intern which was thoroughly and dispositively debunked.
And this is enough to move the media off the story that "BUSH LIED" and to "FOUR PAGES MIGHT BE FORGERIES"?
SAD FACT
The media really never got to the "BUSH LIED" story -- even prior to the Drudge bait-and-stick.
In short, the multiple new sources of evidence on this topic -- named witnesses giving contemporaneous accounts and more than four pages of documents, including uncontested official Guard documents -- did not rate against the inferences drawn from a single "honorable discharge" paper.
However, we spent the month of August listening to the press give ample a
Hey Biblio,
My weather is also exactly the same as three years ago. It's a stunningly quiet and beautiful morning. Both doggies are sleeping in their chairs and we're listening to some Mozart.
As for further insights to 9/11 one need not look beyond the brilliance of Juan Cole this morning. I'm no good with tiny url stuff so you'll have to go find it yourselves.
Peace to everyone.
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That's all there is to it.
1.Does any know about Bush campaign plans to start handing out Yard signs today 9.11.
2.Bush campaign plans to have all their
people vote absentee.
3. How to keep Bush's AWOL story on the front Pages.
4. How to Keep the new book "The Family" front page news.
The thought of turning on a news channel today makes me nauseous. First, because the horrific images I saw three years ago are plenty fresh in my mind, thanks much. Secondly, because I can't even imagine the profound grief 9/11 those who lost loved ones on that terrible day still feel.
The thought this day has turned into some Republican love-fest is also just sickening. I'm sorry, but the reality is Bush went for a month long vacation after getting a memo that said "Bin Laden determined to attack US", and then sat staring blankly in a classroom reading a children's book while Bin Laden was attacking our country.
I'm sickened at the RNC delegates gaping at the WTC site and waving their flags while they savage "libruls" in the blue America that is Manhattan, malign union members who comprise our police and fire fighters, and demean our military by covering their vile faces with purple heart bandaids and making a joke about a combat veteran's injuries while young men and women are bleeding and dying in Iraq.
Count me out as a participant in the ghoulish, partisan, divisive bullshit now marks this tragic anniversary.
Count me out as a participant in the ghoulish, partisan, divisive bullshit now marks this tragic anniversary.
Steve gilliard has a great piece on the 'celebrations' of this day.
The mainstream media was only to happy to pile on CBS and distort the story..I guess they didn't learn the lesson..."When they smeared CBS I didn't care because I worked at ABC..."
Please. All past and future trolls refer to the following:
To quote the Boston Globe today, for example,
After CBS News . .. trumpeted newly discovered doucments . . . the network almost immediately faced charges that the documents were forgeries, with typography that was not available on typewriters used at that time. But specialists interviewed by the Globe and some other news organizatios say the specialized characters used in the documents, and the type format, were common to electric typewriters in wide use in the 1970s . . .In fact, one such rasied 'th', used to describe a Guard unit . .. appears in a document in Bush's official record that the White House made public earlier this year."
What is most important about this, of course, is that "Killian appeared to write that he had counseled Bush about his commitment to the Guard . .. and the group's commanding general had sought to have Killian 'sugar coat' Bush's annual fitness report -- even though Bush had apparently not trained at his Houston airbase during the year in question. But reporters and political figures focused most of their attention yesterday on the suggestion that CBS might have been the victim of a hoax."
Precisely. Bush gets a pass on the facts at issue because of a smokescreen of nonsense raised by Karl Rove -- using as his tool blogs maintained by psychopathic extremists no less, who are now able to force their ravings into the corporate media.
Dan Rather hasn't often impressed me in the past, but he did last night. Kenneth definitely knows the frequency now. Bush is a liar, a coward, a thief, a war criminal, a hypocrite. It has been proved again and again. Let us rise up and drive the murderous gangsters from power.
This morning reminds me exactly of 9/11 three years ago. A beautiful, crisp morning. I had just come back from walking my dog at the beach and turned on the TV...
The next day, taking the dog again for a walk -- I looked south and could see billows of dark smoke in the sky.
And, I live in Rhode Island. 200 miles away.
That sight still haunts me to this day....
But Bouffard told the Globe yesterday that after further study, he now believes the documents could have been prepared on an IBM Selectric Composer typewriter available at the time.
Shit. We figured that out within hours.
Who the hell are these "experts"?
Now Rove will just convicne people that Kerry's is desperate.
Yes Libertarian, you are right. That is the talking point they had Rudy trot out, which, because of the 9/11 anniversary, he got to say on all the talk shows this week.
Libertarian and Captain Biblio -
The reason I think it might be some kind of spyware is that I used the email account that accompanies my comments. However, Capt. B, I could have screwed up when I reread the email the first time. Possible.
But I was nonplussed, to say the least.
covering their vile faces with purple heart bandaids
Stinky,
amen
At Bush's convention 9-11 was the recurring theme. Does this mean today marks the third anniversary of his greatest achievement?
Hey Tena, if I were you I would be plussed. Computers do all kinds of weird shit.
when CNN does their best to scare the bejeebus out of the sheep with a program about how terrorists are likely to get nukes and kill us all.
CBS has it wrong. Terrorists are actually more likely to get ahold of assault weapons, courtesy the good ol' U.S.A., and start shooting anything that moves.
But Bouffard told the Globe yesterday that after further study, he now believes the documents could have been prepared on an IBM Selectric Composer typewriter available at the time.
Shit. We figured that out within hours.
Who the hell are these "experts"?
Grand Moff Texan - 10:26 am
The "experts" see more nuance and "gray", us amateurs see "black and white".
We were right this time, but next time..
OPEN ATTACK;
AUSTIN, Texas - (KRT) - The man named in a disputed memo as exerting pressure to "sugar coat" President Bush's military record left the Texas Air National Guard a year and a half before the memo was supposedly written, his own service record shows.
An order obtained by The Dallas Morning News shows that Col. Walter "Buck" Staudt was honorably discharged on March 1, 1972. CBS News reported this week that a memo in which Staudt was described as interfering with officers' negative evaluations of Bush's service, was dated Aug. 18, 1973.
That added to mounting questions about the authenticity of documents that seem to suggest Bush sought special favors and did not fulfill his service.
Staudt, who lives in New Braunfels, Texas, did not return calls seeking comment. His discharge paper was among a packet of documents obtained by The Dallas Morning News from official sources during 1999 research into Bush's Guard record.
...........
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thes...004/
9633814.htm
Dead horse's ass meet OPEN ATTACK and Atrios.
Bwaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
go here:
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail...artid=370&
row=0
sorry for being lazy, you'll have to copy and paste. But it's worth it.
Re: Bill Moyers' indictment of Bush on NOW last night.
Let us suppose Clinton's term had extended into 2001, during which he demoted Richard Clarke from Cabinet status, and held no principals' meetings on terror for the first eight months of his term. Let us suppose further that he had taken the month of August off, while the system was "blinking red" to schmooze with the liberal elites on Martha's Vinyard. Let us suppose that Tenet had even told him of Massaoui's arrest
(I do not believe Tenet when he says he did not mention this to Bush). What would have happened? IMPEACHMENT, that's what.
Spirit,
You have a good point. Why did the dems not say that these 'experts" are republicans?
The Swift Boat liars have NO documentation to back up their lies, which are obviously just hearsay and smears - but our media treats their claims as having merit and authenticity.
NOTHING the Swift Boat liars have said can be backed up with any documentation, anywhere.
The fact remains that Bush's failure to fulfill his TANG obligations can be backed up by official records, the most damning of which, were mysteriously "lost" by the Pentagon.
Real shocker over at southknoxbubba.com
No sarcasm, fun and games today. Took my breath away.
cervantes - Ok, I'll work on being plussed.
And did y'all hear that George W Bush is denying that he is actually a pedophile?
Um, Usama, how do you rationalize the Swift Boat Liars claims when they have NO documentation to substantiate their case, and the official records and previous testimony among their members glaringly contradicts their current claims?
Before posting more bullshit, please address this question. Thank you.
It turns out that 9/11 is a forgery!
I don't know if he's a pedophile or not.
But I do know he's a punk. He's always been a punk; he'll always be a punk.
America: don't let yourself get punk'd by a punk.
Republicans are rabid. They call us traitors and unpatriotic.
Part of this pure hatred for Kerry and his supporters comes from Bush's quote
" You are either with us or against us" Fighting is breaking out at the rallies and the
accusations are intensifying. Three years after 9-11, one side has claimed America.
History shows us how very dangerous this is.
Kerry has retaken the lead in the electoral college for the first time in weeks.
God Bless America.
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Call it "bullshit" all you want to "Stinky" (quite fitting name, by the way.) Still stuck on the Swiftboat Vets, huh?
Face it. John effin Kerry will lose larger than McGovern did! John effin Kerry falling in the polls across the nation and you want to tell me what I can, and cannot, talk about.
Bwaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
The other news organizations go after CBS because it keeps KICKING THEIR ASSES with scoops (Bush AGN, Abu Grhaib...sorry about the spelling, Israeli spy case). CBS has long been the leader in hard reporting on television and they beat their competition once again.
(Brownshirt U), how do you rationalize--
He doesn't. He just spews out whatever Unka Karl tells him to.
He has no "argument". He's not here to "debate". He's here as a paid agent.
Ignore him and his ilk.
Grand Plan
Imagine. For months analysts have asserted that the American military is spread too thin, and used pejorative terms like "backdoor draft" to refer to the deployment of National Guard and military reserve forces in Iraq. Many have had the temerity to suggest that the unpopular deployments are another consequence of the Bush Administration's failure to contingency plan for an extended post-war occupation.
As it turns out, President Bush is merely applying an oft-overlooked lesson from the Vietnam War. Namely, the active armed forces of the United States military might do in a pinch, but if you want the job done right, look no further than the National Guard. In a 1988 interview with Connie Chung, President Bush foreshadowed his preference for National Guard forces:
CONNIE CHUNG: The problem, though, would be is if, indeed, made several phone calls or some people made phone calls on his behalf to get him into the National Guard. I mean, did that happen to you? Were you...
GWB (interrupting): No. I don't think so. But in those days, people were going into the service all different branches. And if you want to go into the National Guard, I guess sometimes people make calls. I don't see anything wrong with, a matter of fact I'm glad he served his country. And serving in the National Guard is serving in the military. They probably should have called the National Guard up in those days. Maybe we'd have done better in Vietnam.
Having had a unique opportunity to assess the effectiveness of active duty soldiers while assiduously manning his posts in Texas, Alabama, and Massachusetts, then Lt. Bush made his eagerness to be sent to Vietnam to relieve young men who had been drafted in his place known to his superiors. In a memo entitled "CTA" recently released by the RNC from the files of a Lt. Colonel Killian, Lt. Colonel Killian wrote that Lt. Bush had suggested that he and his TANG unit be sent over to Vietnam to "cover their asses," referring to active military forces. Although desperate liberals have pointed out that the authenticity of the memo, which was written on Bush White House stationery, was in doubt, media outlets have noted that FOX News has vouched for the memo and "that's good enough for them."
This new information should put to rest any lingering questions about President Bush's leadership in the War in Iraq. Indeed, President Bush's only regret is having not sent the National Guard in earlier. "If I had followed my gut and let the National Guard take the lead from the beginning instead of those damn military regulars," President Bush recently remarked, "we'd be in Tehran by now."
Hey Usama, where was Kerry when he claimed to be in Cambodia?
Usama, just answer the question.
Spirit,
You have a good point. Why did the dems not say that these 'experts" are republicans?
Libertarian - 10:36 am
Could have, but it would not have been very persuasive. Argument that they were pubs would have as much force as "They attacked us because they hate our freedom".
It needed a technical rebuttal, so that us amateurs could follow along with their points.
Was at the Kerry rally in Allentown yesterday.
About 30 lame protesters were there (have to give the guys who made the giant foam flip-flop costumes some credit though - they must have a boatload of time on their hands)
The crowd must have been on the order of 10,000 (my estimate) and super-enthusiastic. They went wild when Kerry showed up and really rocked the grandstand throughout his speech.
Kerry is going to KERRY Pennsylvania!
What Stinky said.
elkal - Good news. And it seems that all the good Kerry news comes straight from the people and the media is out of the loop, so to speak.
Strange days in America.
Troll= Sheep; Sheep are led around by dogs and shepards, easily frightened. They depend upon any form of fear and intimidation to lead them, whether it be human or animal. They begin braying in unison when their senses are stimulated.
Remember 9/11; not for what happened in New York and Washington, but for what it did to the people of the country and the world. For a brief time, we were all together. There was no partisanship, there was just -- us.
No. There was us, and then there were those morons in Washington who were already planning to invade Iraq.
From CNN, today
"Bush acknowledged Kerry's vote for the congressional resolution giving him the power to invade Iraq, but contrasted that with the Democrat's opposition to an $87 billion aid package for Afghanistan and Iraq. "
I'm sorry, can you read that again?
Is it Bartcop's birthday tomorrow or was it yesterday? It's one day off September 11, but I never remember which way.
I think that it's time for us all to very strongly consider the possibility that this latest Bush-National-Guard document is a leak from Bush supporters.
Bush needs defense on his military record right now a lot more than Kerry does on his- it's actually one of Bush's weak points. On the other hand, a 'smoking gun' document *against* Bush on this doesn't really add anything for Kerry- there's plenty out there already so that any honest person can get the gist of what Bush's military service was really all about.
But is the Bush people send a 'strawman' out there (you pretend to fight it, but it's easily knocked down, because it's only a dummy opponent)- if they leak a faked document of this kind, which purposely contains signs of forgery, then when the document is effectively assailed in public, it casts a pall of doubt over *all* of the previous evidence of what Bush did in the National Guard, while avoiding the arduous task of having to dispute that which is true.
This is how the scenario would go. The Bushies put different font characters in there, mistakenly believing that such font characteristics are much newer. This is their first attack on the document, but it doesn't work, because they messed up. But, they already have other things in there, other inconsistencies, to attack it on.
The reason they let it out one at a time is this: if the press and Kerry supporters keep getting a chance to defend the document, but then subsequent things keep coming out to disprove the document, then the Kerry supporters are publicly wrong more times, and so appear to be more unreasonable.
Incidentally, I'd doubt that most people who are publicly disputing the authenticity of the document were involved in 'leaking' it. It would be smarter for the leakers instead to make suggestions to other people who *will* check the document and *would* bring objections about it to the press, if they noticed what the 'hint' was supposed to spur them on to notice.
What everyone needs to understand is that by combining politics and religion, Bush is not running for President but Messiah. Carl Yung said that a base component of the human psyche is the need for his/her life to have meaning. When a Sept. 11th happened the three emotional reactions of the public were fear, nihilism and humiliation. Bush's War on Terror gave the public the devil to hate "terrorism", the way to strike back (revenge for humiliation) and a purpose for the pain (the US suffered 911 so we would get the evil doers and save the world), and most importantly the political Messiah who would protect us (Bush). The Dems were painted as the do-nothings Chamberlains. The Republican Convention was a revival meeting that played on these themes of fear with savior Bush coming in at the close. The Dems watch a good hunk of the public vote against their interests and shake their heads-why does so much of the public place emotional needs over practicle needs? The Dems keep thinking that the public will be won over by logic-forget it the average IQ isn't that high. The lower your IQ the more a person feels the answers not thinks the answers. Kerry has to fight fear with fear-he has to define in simple terms what it is he is saving the voter from. Draft, Deficit, Poverty and Death from lack of Health Care. "Four More Years" means your Middle Schooler will be drafted and their blood splattered in a far off desert. Think of your daughter in her Prom Dress in May and lying in a pool of blood in August in Iraq. Four more years of increase Deficiets and the interests on loans will be too high for your kids to go to college or buy their first house or retirees to live on their savings. Four more years of spirailing health insurance costs and your paycheck will be worth less and less. Keep the message simple, keep the message personal, keep the message emotional.
Greg Palast
Juan Cole
Jon Stewart
Condi Rice
I had a consultant from Ohio here working with me this week. She is still "undecided" but her husband is rabidly Republican. She was and is very much against the war in Iraq. So I asked, "how can you still be undecided?"
She said, "I don't feel like I really know John Kerry." So my response was, do you feel like you really know George Bush? After all the times they've been caught changing the facts to portray him in a better light? I said, I'm not sure if I really know John Kerry either, but I know he's not George Bush, and that's enough. She kind of agreed with that.
So then she says, "well, who is Kerry going to appoint as defense secretary? We knew all that with Bush in 2000." I responded that it was almost unprecedented that we knew who Bush was going to appoint, and asked her to recall why it was that his campaign released all that info - it was because he was such an obvious lightweight, particularly on foreign affairs, he'd never been out of the country, and his campaign kept telling us "it doesn't matter if he's stupid because he's going to surround himself with good advisors" and that, of course, we've learned that the advisors are batshit crazy and W himself turned out to be too stupid to tell the difference between good advice and bad. So that while I don't know who Kerry will appoint as Sec. Defense, I know it won't be Donald Rumsfeld, and that's good enough. And that it was significant that the one appointment he didn't tell us about in advance was Ashcroft. And again, she agreed.
I finally just wrapped up by saying I didn't see any possibility that anyone could possibly do a worse job as president than Bush has, unless it's Bush himself in a second term, unrestrained by the need to campaign for another term. And again, she agreed.
So I asked again, how can you be undecided if you feel that way? She just said she needs to know more.
Beats me how to reach these folks, particularly when they can recognize the facts as clearly as the nose on their face and still can't make up their minds.
Hey Usama, where was Kerry when he claimed to be in Cambodia?
Swimming to Cambodia
As he told to the Boston Herald 1979
"I remember spending Christmas Eve of 1968 five miles across the Cambodian border being shot at by our South Vietnamese allies who were drunk and celebrating Christmas. The absurdity of almost killed by our own allies in a country in which President Nixon claimed there were no American troops was very real. "
----------------------
As told in his Biography
Christmas eve, 1968, turned out to be memorable....the crew headed their Swift...only miles from the Cambodian border. Because they were only an hour from that country, Kerry began reading up on Cambodian history.
Ask John effin Kerry. He has even flip-flopped on this issue!
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaha!
An Idea: On september 11,2001, a special congressional election was held in Massachusetts congressional district encompassing south side of Boston (southie, Dorchester, etc, and South Shore. Gov. Jane Swift (R) insisted election go on.
Good idea (her only one). Turnout of traumatized citizenry was 50 percent higher than normal for by-election in one party (D) district. In pain, people wanted to do something for their country. So they voted.
As a tribute to the United States, constitutional democracy, and the fallen of that wretched day, why not make Sept. 11 National Election Day? Wouldn't that have more resonance than first Tuesday after first Monday in November?
An Idea: On september 11,2001, a special congressional election was held in Massachusetts congressional district encompassing south side of Boston (southie, Dorchester, etc, and South Shore. Gov. Jane Swift (R) insisted election go on.
Good idea (her only one). Turnout of traumatized citizenry was 50 percent higher than normal for by-election in one party (D) district. In pain, people wanted to do something for their country. So they voted.
As a tribute to the United States, constitutional democracy, and the fallen of that wretched day, why not make Sept. 11 National Election Day? Wouldn't that have more resonance than first Tuesday after first Monday in November?
I went back sometime after I sent it, and read it again. An hour later, I went back again. The email was still listed in my sent file, but when I click on it, I am taken to a blank compose page. The other email I had stored in that file is still there, and when I click on it, it opens. It's like someone got into my email and altered the program so that I can't access the CBS mail.
Hard to say without knowing more about your email client, but what sounds most likely is that you inadvertently
deleted the text of your copy of the message after it had been sent.
Highly unlikely to be the result of spyware, although you could easily have some kind of spyware on your machine without knowing it.
This Sunday at 5 PM I will be introducting the Double Feature of the Century at the American Cinemathque here in Los Angeles:
Click for deatils
Performance and The Devils
The first by Donald Cammell and Nicolas Roeg stars James Fox and Mick Jagger. Shot in 1968 but not released until 1970 it is the seminal British gangster film and the ultimate statement about what the 60's REALLY meant. Controlled substances aren't really necessary for full cinematic appreciation, but what used to be called an "open mind" certainly is.
The second (a 1971 release) is Ken Russell's film based on Aldous Huxley's historical study i> The Devils of Loudon concerning a 15th Century priest who was burned at the stake for witchcraft -- having, it was claimed, raped an entire convent of nuns in collaboration with the Devil. This was all stage-managed by Cardinal Richelieu in order to take over and control the strategically valuable city.
Richelieu is played in the film by the poet Christopher Logue -- who also wrote the screenplay. The sets by Derek Jarman are the greatest ever created for a film. Yes, greater than the ones made for Intolerance. Their construction marks the beginning of his career as a filmmaker. Oliver Reed stars as the priest with Vanessa Redgrave as his chief accuser -- a hysterical hump-backed nun.
Parallels to the anti-Clinton jihaad are plentiful (Redgrave suggesting a cross between Lucianne Goldberg and Peggy Noonan), as are ones to Dubbya's desire to bring church and state together.
In other words this is the greatest political film ever made.
I shall be on hand to explicate, and I hope Eschcatonians in the greater Los Angeles area will be there too.
Hey Usama, where was Kerry when he claimed to be in Cambodia?
Swimming to Cambodia
Swimming, Usama is a bit thick to get your point. The answer to your question is Viet Nam John Kerry, if he wasn't in Cambodia, was in Viet Nam, a dangerous place where he volunteered to go to serve his country. That part always confuses the trolls.
Beats me how to reach these folks, particularly when they can recognize the facts as clearly as the nose on their face and still can't make up their minds.
Because it's not about rational debate. The Bushies are running on emotion and identity, not on policy. Kerry needs to break this bond down somehow, or to figure a way to bypass it, like Clinton did.
I would suggest running a parallel anti-Bush campaign that does nothing but portray him as an asshole.
Here's a question: was John O'Neill lying when he said there were no American forces in Cambodia or was he lying when he told Nixon he had been in Cambodia on a swift boat? Or both?
Today, we should remember the other John O'Neill, the one who isn't a lying sack of shit.
Damn, here's the O'Neill link
I hope CBS doesn't wimp out in the face of all of this --or inspite of the fact that other media breathed life into the right wing claims despite no evidence and let the Bushs
bully another old man for a story
the left media makes me sick
That part always confuses the trolls.
flatulus
Thank you flatulus. I'm well aware that Kerry was in Vietnam. Usama has an obsession with Cambodia, but he never seems to want to answer the question.
I'm not asking John Kerry, Usama. I'm asking for your opinion. I'll ask you again Usama: where was John Kerry during the time he claimed to be in Cambodia? I'll give you a multiple choice list:
a)failing to report in Alabama
b)missing a required physical exam
c)lounging with "ambitious secretaries"
d)Vietnam
Good John O'Neill link:
http://tinyurl.com/3ddxy
damn firefox (or VRWC, you tell me)
David E - I read Huxley's book about 4 years ago I think - I'll never forget it for the rest of my life; it made a huge impression for so many different reasons. Wish I could be there to hear you explicate. I've never seen the film. I'm not sure I could see it because I know how it ends and god, that has got to be one of the worst auto de fe's ever - you know, tying him to the iron stool because he couldn't stand up anymore - how humans could do such things to other humans...
Why does Chimpy want to allow blue state voters to purchase assault weapons?
Rather than go over to kos and relate my remembrance of 9/11 (I hate that comment system!) here's what I remember: first, the phone call from my sister. Turning on the TV and the initial shock, and close on its heels, when my mother called, me saying to her: "shit, and we've got this moron in charge."
And then the next thought: "Damn it, now they're going to be playing that Lee Greenwood shit all over the place," which was basically the dawning of my realization that a stampede of sheep was going to happen. All of this in the first 20 minutes or so.
What makes those of us whose shock and grief were compounded by the Bush hagiography that followed rather than soothed so different? Is it just that we're the only adults in the country?
I would suggest running a parallel anti-Bush campaign that does nothing but portray him as an asshole.
Such a campaign already exists. Bush calls it "running the country."
David Ehrenstein, i love you more than ever for loving ken russell.
Jennifer - On September 12, I remember telling someone that I don't want to live with some kind of perpetual war going on. I knew, too, what was likely to happen.
It's funny, not ha-ha, that for the next couple of weeks I had conversations with people who felt as I did - that we needed to look at what we were doing that would cause a group to attack us like that. And then those conversations just died with "With us or against us."
That just killed any reasonable discourse in this country about what was actually going on here and in the rest of the world. It set up the black and white vision of the world that has solidified now into hatred. I don't know anymore of our country will ever be what it was meant to be. I worry that George Bush and al Qaeda have destroyed it all.
The major news in CBS anchorman Dan Rather's defense of the alleged Bush National Guard documents is the revelation that CBS News does not have the original documents purportedly written by Bush's commanding officer Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian. Rather reported tonight that the network's document consultant "believes they are real, but is concerned about exactly what is being examined by some of the people now questioning the documents, because deterioration occurs each time a document is reproduced, and the documents being analyzed outside of CBS have been photocopied, faxed, scanned, and downloaded, and are far removed from the documents CBS started with, which were also photocopies." That last clause is critical. Document experts say it would be relatively easy to determine the authenticity of a typewritten original; a typewriter makes a small indentation into the paper with each strike, and those indentations can be studied in great detail. But a photocopy is another thing. There's no way to analyze the physical aspects of the typewritten words, nor is there a way to analyze the actual signature. In fact, an image of a legitimate signature could have been placed onto a computer-generated document and then printed out and photocopied. The news is that CBS based its report on photocopies, making it difficult to determine whether or not the documents are in fact authentic.
Trolls - get over it. Bush didn't do his duty to his country. That much is absolutely clear and that's the only thing that matters.
STFU now. It's a distraction.
The New York Times interviewed CBS documents expert Marcel Matley, who confirmed that the documents the network gave him were photocopies -- and poor ones at that. According to the paper:
"Mr. Matley said the documents the network sent him were so deteriorated from copying that it was impossible to identify the typeface." '''It's sheer speculation to say that you couldn't have done that until a computer came along,'' he said."
"As a result, he said, he focused on the signatures. CBS sent him the four newfound documents, as well as others that have been verified as signed by Colonel Killian. 'There were significant similarities and the differences were insignificant,' he said in the configuration of letters and the angle of the writing."
Meanwhile, the Washington Post reported that, "Matley said last night that a '60 Minutes' executive had asked him not to give interviews."
Omigod! Using an old piece of parchment and Microsoft Word I've just recreated an EXACT facsimile of a page from the GUTENBERG BIBLE!
THE GUTENBERG BIBLE IS A FORGERY!!!!
Printed type was NOT invented before Bill Gates started Microsoft!
I take great solace in the fact that everything the Usamabinlazy's of the world have forecast for the past three years has not come true and that every assertion has proved to be a lie. Doubt that this latest one is any different.
Beats me how to reach these folks, particularly when they can recognize the facts as clearly as the nose on their face and still can't make up their minds.
Jennifer
Because it's not about rational debate. The Bushies are running on emotion and identity, not on policy. Kerry needs to break this bond down somehow, or to figure a way to bypass it, like Clinton did.
Christopher
Jennifer, upthread I suggested simple advertisements endorsing Kerry featuring famous business leaders like Lee Iocacca and Steve Jobs, and former military brass and national security experts. In our hype-drenched culture, where facts are so often obscured or ignored - undecideds may simply need the comfort of hearing "someone famous", "someone important" - saying that Kerry is THEIR choice.
Christopher: Right. A headline the other day read "Kerry Links Iraq to Economy". Sounds abstract. Clinton would be able to connect the dots in a way that made people feel the impact personally.
But it'll be tremendously hard to break through to people: 9/11 and the "war on terror" hype has gotten so many people to actually believe they oughta be more worried about terrorism than the economy, as if there's a greater chance that your workplace will be attacked than that you'll get layed off!
Ever read a speach delivered by Mr Bush to crowd of supporters and then immediately read a speach by John Kerry to his supporters? Only one of the canidates is connecting with the voters. Perhaps Kerry should take his message "down a notch", put aside his perfect English for just two months and talk to voters like they were family.
http://www.phonyfighterpilot.com/
This may have been posted on Eschaton before, but I've been reading some of it this morning. Whew. The author's a Reagan lover, but jesus, does he rip Shrub a new one. Take a look. And send it to as many people as you can. Pretty damning stuff.
This guard story was killing Bush. I hope this forgery mess does make us lose momentum.
Comparing the swift vet story to the guard story, I think we come out on top. The guard story shows Bush to be a liar who avoided his duty.
The swift vet story only showed that Kerry was willing to game the system for medals. He might have really exaggerated his exploits but he was plenty brave. A little embarassing considered the way he bragged on his exploits but no big deal. The experience he gained shooting up the countryside for four months greatly prepared him for the job of Commander in Chief.
Don't feed the trolls please
The CBS show 60 minutes II and Dan Blather lie. The moonbats eat it up, like a shit-eating dog!
Bwaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
The Devils is one of the best films I've ever seen. I've actually seen it about 1-2 months ago.
I couldn't help but think of Bill Clinton while watching Olvier Reed play Father Grandier, a flawed, all-too-human man who nonetheless gave all he had to defend his city in the name of tolerance.
So I asked again, how can you be undecided if you feel that way? She just said she needs to know more.
Beats me how to reach these folks, particularly when they can recognize the facts as clearly as the nose on their face and still can't make up their minds.
Jennifer
jennifer -
you planted a seed. it will sprout between now and november 2nd.
Moonbats, here are your orders from the head of the sheeple brigade;
Dear [Supporter],
Back in February, President Bush sat down in the Oval Office for an interview with Tim Russert and spoke about his service in the National Guard. Bush told us, "I put in my time, proudly so." He said, "And I'm telling you, I did my duty."
But now we know that Bush dishonored the Oval Office by lying to the American people.
New investigations from multiple media sources have revealed the truth about President Bush's service. New military documents show that Bush disobeyed a direct order from his commander to take a flight physical and "failed to perform to U.S. Air Force/Texas Air National Guard standards" -- and was grounded as a result.
New evidence supports claims that Bush missed months of service and that he never showed up for service with the Alabama National Guard.
New evidence shows that Bush received special treatment. His supervisor wrote that he felt pressured from above to "sugar coat" Bush's records.
And Ben Barnes, former Lt. Governor and State House Speaker of Texas, has come forward to say that he pulled strings to get Bush a coveted spot in the Guard, which directly contradicts Bush's claim that he received no special treatment.
............
http://www.cnsnews.com/
ViewNatio...T20040910c.html
Ben Barnes lies.
CBS lied.
Dan Blather lied.
The DNC is still lying.
You are to keep lying as well.
Have fun lying, sheeple!
Bwaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Dan did not lie. He stands by his story.
If the memos are forgeries Joe Lockhart has already denied that Kerry was involved. That leaves Karl Rove. Terry McAuliffe has alread fingered Rove so this Republican dirty trick didn't work!
Die troll.
"Oliver" Reed, that is...
I think there's a mosquito in here.
Uptown Ruler at Scrutiny Hooligans has a nice 9/11 writeup.
Good news at electoral-vote.com: Kerry 273, Bush 233.
FL and NV too close to call.
photo in nyt shows a rethug pulling the hair of a female protester at aWol's colmar pa appearence...this
seems to me to be assualt and battery
...this asshole along with the infamous "kicker" should be hunted and brought before justice...
Usama, for once you've provided a service.
Let's do it - let's make an ad that starts out by showing a picture of one of the many accused by the Bushies of being liars. We can flash them quickly and arrange them into a mosaic on the screen. There are hundreds of people accused by Bush and his right-wing media conspirators of being "liars". Have the picture mosaic form a composite dot-matrix image of George W. Bush. The voiceover would simply be saying, "every time one of these people has come forward with embarassing information about the Bush administration, the Bush administration has accused them of being liars." As the mosaic fills in to reveal the image of Bush, the voiceover asks, "how likely is it that all of these people are lying, and only this one person is telling the truth?" Maybe the tag line could be something like, "George W. Bush: it's only a lie if it makes him look bad."
Jennifer - go to Kerry's blog and float your ad idea - it's great.
http://www.nydailynews.com/front...9p-
197785c.html
"Kitty smells a rat at CNN
Kitty Kelley thinks she knows why Larry King hasn't asked her to discuss her new book.
Don't mess with Miss Kitty.
You might get scratched.
Scandal impresario Kitty Kelley is suggesting that CNN's Larry King won't let her on his show to promote her upcoming book, "The Family: The Real Story of the Bush Dynasty," because he's a toady of the Bush family."
We need to write Larry King and ask him why he won't let Kitty on his show.
Tena - I'd love to, but I never have been able to log on to Kerry's blog - even sent them an email asking how to register, get a password, etc. Never heard a word back.
And actually, that ad needs a revision - picture of Bush and voiceover saying something like "Bush told us Saddam had WMD, links with al-Quaeda, etc. - things we now know to be untrue. But when these people (start flashing the pictures of Richard Clarke, Paul O'Neill, Joe Wilson, et al) said this wasn't true, and when these people (start flashing photos of everyone else they've slandered on a wide variety of topics and bases) revealed embarrassing information about the Bush Administration, the Bush Administration accused them of being liars."
Then run the rest of it as previously described.
Ugly ole ex-druggie,alchie, shriveled up has been Imus said last week he won't have Ms Kitty on, but didn't say why. Anyone wanta bet the old Republican fart was told by papa Smirk not to put the bitch on his shhow?
I remember exactly where I was that morning-- in Houston, preparing to present a paper at a controls engineering conference. My presentation began at 10:00 am-- one of the best sessions I've ever done, and no one there will ever remember it. I remember walking back out into the hall after answering the after-questions, to find that every TV in the convention hall was tuned to the news coverage.
The show was cancelled the middle of the next day. I remember hearing that all the Allen-Bradley guys had commandeered their rental cars and driven home. I remember wondering how I was going to get home.
I remember the long drive (I managed to get a rental car, one of the last left at Houston Int'l)... listening to coverage on NPR every single one of the 1200 miles I drove... stopping for gas, and seeing other people who were in the same boat, just trying to get home. I don't know how, but somehow we all recognized each other-- every single time I stopped for gas on that long, lonely drive.
Dammit, I wanted Osama's head on a pike outside the Capitol building. I could give a rats ass about Saddam.
I was just wondering if anyone else has seen a Bush/Cheney BILLBOARD? Coming home from the Kerry rally in Allentown, I saw a billboard on rte 309 in Quakertown. It said Boots or Flip flops? Bush Cheney 04.
Jennifer - gee, that's odd. I've sent emails to the senator through Kerry's blog - I have no idea what the problem could be.
"The major news in CBS anchorman Dan Rather's defense of the alleged Bush National Guard documents is the revelation that CBS News does not have the original documents purportedly written by Bush's commanding officer Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian. Rather reported tonight that the network's document consultant "believes they are real, but is concerned about exactly what is being examined by some of the people now questioning the documents, because deterioration occurs each time a document is reproduced, and the documents being analyzed outside of CBS have been photocopied, faxed, scanned, and downloaded, and are far removed from the documents CBS started with, which were also photocopies." That last clause is critical. Document experts say it would be relatively easy to determine the authenticity of a typewritten original; a typewriter makes a small indentation into the paper with each strike, and those indentations can be studied in great detail. But a photocopy is another thing. There's no way to analyze the physical aspects of the typewritten words, nor is there a way to analyze the actual signature. In fact, an image of a legitimate signature could have been placed onto a computer-generated document and then printed out and photocopied. The news is that CBS based its report on photocopies, making it difficult to determine whether or not the documents are in fact authentic.--Walter Crankcase"
Blah, blah, blah, blah.
No. The major news is that Bush DID NOT COMPLETE HIS TANG DUTY! The CBS documents don't change that fact.
The major news is that Bush got preferential treatment in getting into the TANG. The CBS documents don't change that fact.
The major news is that Bush is a spoiled, privileged, underachiever who misled us into war, is responsible for a million lost jobs, has divided this country, and has lost us respect worldwide.
The CBS documents don't change that fact.
What do the French and Hans Blix say about the memos? Do they think they are real?
They have a much better record on this thing than the freepers, or anyone in the media.
What do the French and Hans Blix say about the memos? Do they think they are real?
They have a much better record on this sort of thing than the freepers, or anyone in the media.
Kitty, you go girl.
I can't believe CNN is screwing her. I thought they were on our side.
Will Kitty's book have details on Bush's NAMBLA membership?
Now let's remember to get a grip here folks -- the CBS documents are AUTHENTIC. I agree that it doesn't really matter, the facts of Chimpy's dereliction of his duty are irrefutable either way, but you know damn well that as long people stay defensive on the subject of the documents that's all we're going to be talking about. The documents are absolutely, 100% real. Period. That does not require further discussion. Please let us not hear any more argumments conceding otherwise, even for the sake of discussion.
Let us discuss the substance.
George W. Bush is a liar. George W. Bush is a coward. George W. Bush is a thief.
And oh yeah, George W. Bush is a psychopathic killer.
George W. received a commission during the Vietnam War without any officer training, grounded himself by failing to take his annual flight physical, went AWOL in Alabama to work for the GOP, boozed until age 40 instead of preparing for national leadership, lied about his missing Guard service to get elected and tried to ruin the reputation of primary opponent, Senator John McCain.
You will never see a troll who is able to address or refute these facts.
They just come here like dogs, rolling on their backs and pissing themselves. I can't help but pity them. I'd do the same, if the only candidate my party could offer me to vote for was a man who set the new standard for unthinking mediocrity in America.
Jeez, told you the trolls would never stop lying about this one. They can't the true, heroic, story of their boy-god-king is the entire basis of their own personality. It's like what happened on Dr. Who with Zoanon (don't know how to spell it) the computer who took over The Dr's personality when he tried to fix it. Try to make them face reality they go ape.
You think it gets any deeper than that with these brownshirts? No. Nothing deeper than a puddle of lies, greed and hate.
An additional note on the forgeries flap, and why such an over-the-top reaction from the right. Magicians call this misdirection.
The concept isn't new, but what you’re seeing with this "forgeries" uproar, fed to the mainstream through eager partisans and fueled by hundreds of comments by official sounding self-credentialed names on all the blogs -- comments by people we've never heard of before in addition to all the regular "trolls" (though we used to call professional plants “shills”) -- is one of the largest, most urgent coordinated broken wing strategies yet. The forgeries flap is similar to setting fire to the grocer while you rob the bank.
But why save the communications room overtime for this issue when it’s already been so heavily worked? Why not keep the same Old News tack that’s worked so well prior? What gets lost in all the chaff thrown up, by design, is an innocuous detail among the memos that had never been discussed before. This small detail is less important for what is says but more so for the question that [republican leaders] desperately don't want dug into: Why was Bush 'ordered' to take his physical when he was?
This doesn’t seem like a large point but there is significance, lost if the question is kept off radar.
Bush was specifically ordered to take his physical two months before his birthday. This becomes key because physicals were just expected in the normal course of events and Bush was still two months shy of bringing any attention to his not having taken his physical. To be given a SPECIFIC order to take his physical two months ahead of schedule meant that there was a SPECIFIC REASON his commander wanted that physical taken.
But let’s talk about Times New Roman and kerning until the general public gets bored with it.
. . . 5 . . . 4 . . . 3 . . .
These memos are devastating or the Bush minions wouldn't be going crazy trying to descredit them.
If only Terry McAuliffe would shut the hell up denying Kerry had anything to do with the forgery. That asshole is working for Hillary Clinton for sure.
I'm so tired of hearing this bunk that Hillary is trying to hurt Kerry's campaign. Yes she wants to be president but she can run in 2012 after Kerry's second term.
She will be a few pounds heavier and few hairs grayer, but the public will have had time to forget some of the Clinton scandals. Maybe BIll will be dead by then which will add to the sympathy vote.
She's a lock.
"These memos are devastating or the Bush minions wouldn't be going crazy trying to descredit them."
The whole thing looks as if there was a set plan of what to do if they ever got out. Rove knew about these documents and must have known that there were likely more copies than he could make sure were destroyed. As mentioned, the military loved carbon paper. Police records are probably not as duplicated. It came out, what, about a minute after the report was filed? And in that detail. This was a fully developed lie campaign which was probably invented many years ago. It wouldn't surprise me if the rest of the missing pieces are out there too. If any of them come to light watch how fast a very detailed distortion camapign is launched. Maybe by Bozell the clown or some other professional liar.
Reading these documents I get the feeling that Killian was keeping stuff to protect himself. He must have known that Bushco would go after him if any of this became a problem for them. That and he obviously hated the spoiled little toerag.
It's over, people. Bush will be elected. I say that with such certainty becaue I've watched the campaign. Kerry's is utterly incompetent. Given the advantages he started with, he makes Gore look like a political genious.
So the point now is to focus our efforts on the House and Senate. Bush can't be the *sshole he wants to be if either chamber is controlled by the Dems. Also, we have to look at what happened in Texas and start sending money to candidates in state legislature races. But forget Kerry. He's toast. Just another stiff, arrogant guy like Dukakis.
And by the way, I HATE Kerry. I hate him because he played tougher and dirtier against Howard Dean than he is willing to do against George Bush. Fine, smear a decent man with push-polling in Iowa, if you feel that you are the only one who can beat Bush. But how come Bush is getting kid gloves treatment from Kerry? How COME Kerry was tougher aginst Dean than he is against Bush? Hmmm? Think about it, boys and girls. Think about it.
Check out the Top Headlines from our "news" networks:
CNN
Category 4 Ivan slams Jamaica
4 Iraqis killed, family kidnapped
U.S. soldier jailed in Iraq prisoner abuse case
Clinton released from hospital
'Deserter' surrenders at U.S. base
Russians set for U.S. Open showdown
US Air bids to avoid bankruptcy
Convicted teacher, former student want to marry
MSNBC
Intel specialist pleads guilty to Iraq abuse
Official: Bin Laden still issues attack orders
Newsweek poll: Bush's lead over Kerry shrinks
Saudi Arabia to hold first elections next year
Europe sets Nov. deadline for Iran on arms
Accused U.S. Army deserter surrenders
Where are the CBS memos? Did they give up already? If so, Rove and the freepers have won again.
Has anybody ever questioned whether the superscripts were hand lettered in? I used to do this all the time when I was working on my thesis (especially with greek symbols and such). I blew up the GIF and JPG images with GIMP and only see vague pixels that kind of look like a "th". A secretary often does this by adding extra spaces, intending to fill them in later. Often times I will run across documents where blank spots show where the secretary forgot to go back and do the lettering.
The other weird thing is that the superscript "th" is much lower on the LGF Word replica than on the CBS one.
Jennifer -
Don't know what your trouble is with the Kerry blog.
However, you don't need to post it there if you can't get in.
On the contacts page, you get the phone number and fax number of the main campaign headquarters.
So, you know what to do.
I have a tumor in my brain the size of a tangelo!
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
From Zymphora this morning: "I've said it before, but apparently it is worth saying it again:
Rove is on his game here. By holding back the military records he has made the military records the issue, and has managed to divert the media from the real issue, which is the community service. If those legal files ever get out, showing that Bush was convicted of a serious drug offence, his political career will be finished. The real reason that Bush went AWOL was that he couldn't afford to take a drug test. The real reason he couldn't afford to take a drug test was that it would have been a condition of his sentencing that he remain clean. If word of the failed drug test had filtered back to the court, he would have gone to jail. His fear of the criminal legal consequences is why he went AWOL, and that's why the community service is the key to understanding what is going on here. By concentrating on the military records, the media is walking right into Rove's trap."
At some point the Democrats are going to have to get it through their thick heads that Bush's shoddy military record is not a winning issue for them. Bush's supporters have digested the fact that Bush had help from high places in his short military career, and can live with it. What they can't accept is the fact that Kerry came back to campaign against the war, and thus, as far as the Bush supporters are concerned, committed Hanoi-Jane-style treason against the United States. Every time the Democrats bring up Bush's war record, it just reminds Bush supporters that Kerry is a traitor. The details of Bush's service, or lack thereof, will always be buried in the selective releases of laundered records released by the White House and the Pentagon (isn't amazing how each release is described as all the documents, only to be followed by more releases when specific new points require a response?). Those who want to believe in Bush will always be able to fool themselves into believing what they want to believe. At this point, with all many documents available, and the new allegations of forgery from Bush's true believers, undecided voters will just throw up their hands in disgust at the whole issue. If Democrats want to win, the only way they can do it is to get information on what happened in that Texas court room in 1972. The person brave enough to do this would be on an a suicide mission, as Rove and Cheney would have him or her killed (a 'suicide' consisting of three shotgun blasts to the head). There is also an ethical issue involved, as anyone who talks to the suicidal investigator would also be killed. Nevertheless, the drug conviction issue is the only thing that will register with the American electorate. Do the Democrats really want to win, or are they just going through the motions again?"
I haven't even heard anyone bring up the name of the guy who had uncovered all the stuff about Bush and drugs and community service 4 years ago: James Hatfield. You know, the guy who then "committed suicide" in a hotel room in Springdale, Arkansas.
Maybe he really did. Just like that Enron guy.
Thurber - though you may be right, unless Kerry already has the mojo on Bush, he needs to let this whole military service thing go - in my opinion. Like you say, Bush supporters could care less and NOTHING he can say or do will ever be enough for them to forgive him for making the stand that he did, even if it was 30 years ago. I think that he would be better off to ease off the topic and onto Bush's incompetence on the war in Iraq and on terror and the affects on our life here in the US.
PS - I think that the guy or gal who knows about Bush is probably already dead as I doubt that Rove would even take the chance that this person even MIGHT squeal.
Forget Bush and Kerry,
here's who we need as our president:
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...Bun_4_President
Re the idea that the memos were created on MS Word.
Some people, eg Steve Hayes, Weekly Standard, have noted that a feature of Word is to take a "th" following a numeral, and automatically convert it into a superscript. But the Killian memos have both superscripted and non-superscripted numeral + th's, sometimes in the same document. If a forger was using Word, wouldn't all of these instances have been automatically converted into superscripts? A better theory is that the typer had a superscript 'th' key, but didn't use it consistently.
The whole forgery argument is ridiculous anyway. Plenty of letters in the documents float above the line, something that doesn't happen in computer-generated documents. The memos are obviously type-written. The so-called experts getting airplay challenging the Killian memos get an "F" on professional competence.
...when CNN does their best to scare the bejeebus out of the sheep with a program about how terrorists are likely to get nukes and kill us all
Of course, a likely source for such nukes is Pakistan, who Bush is currently appeasing with his bizarro world stance on nuclear proliferation("Inspection? We don't need no stinking inspection!").
remember, you can't spell "gossip" without "g-o-p"!
Tena,
If you haven't done so already, download Ad-Aware or Spy Sweeper (both free), and let 'em deep sweep your hard drive. If it's a spyware problem, this will take care of it..
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