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i couldn't read it all, it's just too nutty. but i think it supports my claim on thread below, before this election is over someone is going to be hurt, possibly ...
At BartCop:
Subject: Cheney's words about Kerry
Mr. Cheney, I was shocked and disturbed by your words about Senator Kerry. Saying that if the nation
makes the "wrong" choice on Election Day that it faces the threat of another terrorist attack as a result,
was a horrible thing to say. For some reason, I took that as a direct threat from you and President Bush
to every man, woman, and child in the United States of America.
How dare you and the rest of the Bush administration spend your days and nights scaring us with these types
of threats in order to further your own agenda? How dare you undermine the very liberties this country was
founded on by using such gestapo tactics to intimidate the good people in this country? You and President Bush
have done nothing but lie, threaten, and bully your way through the last four years. And frankly, I'm sick and
disgusted with both of you. I've been a Republican all of my life. One of the greatest Republicans, and the finest
men I've ever know was Barry Goldwater. He'd turn over in his grave if he could see what you and your ilk have
done to the Republican party. You've turned it into a group of greedy, power hungry, war mongering, fascist thugs.
You should all be ashamed of yourselves. You've even managed to turn John McCain into a rhetoric-spewing idiot.
I'm ashamed of the whole lot of you.
The American people aren't fools, and we will vote you out and try to repair the damage that this administration
has wrought. May G-d help us all. And don't you ever threaten me or the people of the United States of America
ever again. You don't scare us. We'll vote you out of office come November and I hope to G-d, as President Kerry's
first order of business, he has the whole lot of you arrested.
Marguerite S
that girl is inbred.
can't read it anymore either. was fine before though
"i think it supports my claim on thread below, before this election is over someone is going to be hurt"
I'm afraid it's the Amurican peeple gonna be hurt. Before and after the election.
Its not nutty at all, from her perspective of fear, intolerance and supersition.
Nothing that a few trips overseas to experience other cultures wouldn't cure, or maybe getting a library card and actually reading a book cover to cover, or learning another language to gain insight into people just like herself.
She's scared folks. And scared people do strange things.
In order to minimise the number of soft targets, all Amerikaans will be required to attend four step aerobics classes a week.
Atrios? Now that everyone's figured out that you're a Scottish recovering economist, you might want to change over to the Scottish exclamatory glottal - "och aye" pretty much covers it. Unless of course you're a Jewish Scottish recovering economist. Whatever. See how it works for you.
Is it a weakness in me that I feel compelled by a know-thy-enemy ethic to read this shit? How does it help me? It's 9:26 on a Saturday morning, for crying out loud, and I'm already pissed off and depressed.
Of course, what day during the last four years _hasn't_ that been the case?
Perhaps if I put a few more Kerry/Edwards signs in my front yard...
ok in memoriam
An open letter to Dick Cheney on the anniversary of my daughter's murder:
Thank you for warning me about my vote for John Kerry. In this version of America, the one you all have crafted, clarity is very difficult to come by. Let me make myself perfectly clear: my daughter was murdered on 9/11/2001, on an absolutely clear, late summer morning. She was four months pregnant and, that morning, five minutes after the first of two planes hit the World Trade Center, she was told she was "safe." She was told to "stay at her desk." She was found whole and intact ten feet from an alley between Towers IV and V. I cannot tell you how I would have appreciated such a clear warning before September 11th, or even on September 11th. Before that day, there were warnings, clear warnings, but they only reached the desk of George W. Bush. And I note he did nothing to stop the events of 9/11.
But know this: I will never again watch my values, and the values of my fellow Americans be trampled on by so much corruption, so much duplicity and so much unadulterated hate without speaking out. You are not a Republican. You have shamed Republicans. And many of them, I pray, will be voting with me, in hope as well as fear, for John Forbes Kerry.
Donna Marsh O'Connor
Mother of Vanessa Lang Langer, WTC, Tower II, 93rd floor
Create national ID cards. Include biometric information. Include religion on the ID card.
Include religion on the ID card?!?!?
WTF?!?!?!?
National identification and registration of religion combined with concentration camps for muslims? Please please please can we call them Nazis now?
I'm suffering from wingnut fatigue. I can't believe that there are people running around this country who would just hand back to the government all control that our Constitution gives the people. It is a recipe for destroying our democracy. Nothing like that is ever "temporary"and in this instance, of course, we will always be at war with Terra. *sigh*
These freaking idjits are dangerous.
And getting their message out each and every day...I find those mega churchs not amusing
Bio of a wingnut:
Tamara Wilhite graduated from the University of Texas at Arlington with a B.S. in Industrial Engineering and was an officer in the Conservative Students’ Association for three years. She currently works for a defense contractor as a Process Engineer.
What measured approach does she advocate?
Anyone who registers as Muslim should be required to take a loyalty oath. The U.S. or Islam.
Anyone who chooses the U.S. shall be registered with the government. If they continue to show loyalty to this nation, they may stay.
Anyone who chooses Islam is to be considered a threat to this country and put in confinement. Call it a concentration camp. Guantanomo Bay is more comfortable than Afghanistan, and I’m not suggesting we send them all to Cuba. Old Japanese interment camps work.
Yes, and I'm sure all those old Japanese would agree with her.
thudfactor - Yes, they are Nazis.
And did you hear that George W Bush is a pedophile?
Does any of Ms. I-Wanna-Fuck-a-Nazi's suggestions for rounding up terrorists apply to the types of people who actually have committed acts like blowing up buildings, shooting up schools, and killing people who don't conform to their religious beliefs in this country - you know, Christian white guys?
Didn't think so.
Ha, ha, GWPDA.
Anyone who refuses to "stepper-cise" will be considered an agent of our enemies and will be confined to the nearest available maximum security health club.
I think you get a special exemption if you want to kill/maim your fellow countrymen in the name of Jesus. I mean, it's not like you're an extremist or anything.
On Donna's letter:
Why isn't that in the NY freakong Times?
Someone also ought to sign her up for an ad? Texans for Truth perhaps?
Tena,
"hebephrene" is more accurate than "pedophile".
That is, assuming the charge is true.
I'd like to propose that all wingnuts who propose rounding up folks of a certain skin color and/or religious belief and incarcerating them, be themselves rounded up and incarcerated for a period of not less than five years.
It's the least we can do to preserve our freedom and liberty.
Never mind. hebephrenia is also right for bush, but irrelevant. I was looking for the word that means you are attracted to teens, not children.
Something gentler and sweeter for remembrance of three years ago....
Random, useless thoughts on Tamara Wilhite' column:
I like it. If my Muslim cleaning woman doesn't do a good enough job cleaning (I happen to know that she and her friends and family and community think Bush knew, and had more to do with it than we think), I can threaten to send her to Gitmo, or better yet, back to Afganistan. Of course, she's from Trinidad.
They rape non-Muslim women at will;
I wonder if I can get my cleaning woman (she is really hot) to rape me, a non-Muslim man.
Juan and Jacob have a fair chance of pulling out conceal and carry weapons and killing the evil men where they stand
Jacob? There are Jews in Texas? Wow, I need to get out more.
The big wingnut talking point that is coming out of the "Kerry forgery scandal" is that the mainstream news cannot be trusted at all. Limbaugh yesterday explained that it was only the "new media" - himself, Fox, CNS, NewsMax, right-wing bloggers - that had found out "the truth". All the other news outlets - CBS, New York Times, WaPo, etc. - has been "conned".
So the wingnuts are now encouraged to ignore all evidence, facts, sources, etc. that come from any other sources than their "new media". It doesn't matter what gets proven to the rest of us through facts and evidence - the wingnut position is that it's all lies, forgeries, doctored material, unless it comes from one of "their" approved sources.
We're entering the realm of the flat-earthers here, the Bizarro world in which support of Bush isn't a political opinion, but a tenet of religious faith. And if they win - we will all have to mutter, "But still, it moves!" under our breath.
Congrats, wingnuts! You've managed to all move back to the 16th century.
The mere fact that we're supposedly not "allowed" to call them Nazis (lest we me marginalized) itself tells you something.
I'm sure the relatives of those killed on 9/11 will be comforted by the fact that their loved ones died in the furtherance of a National Socialist state.
Jacob? There are Jews in Texas? Wow, I need to get out more.
uh, Kinky Friedman, haven't you heard of him?
I thought Kinky Friedman was passing.
Did IQs just plummet one day while I wasn't looking?
And hey, all you Eschatonnian fans of Charles Pierce (and I know you are legion) - I emailed him to tell him of the formation of his new fan club here in Eschaton. His reply:
"Jeepers. Thanks."
Did you ever think you'd see the day when Pierce was rendered nearly speechless?
Pithy patriots for Pierce!
I think all Bush supporters should sign a loyalty oath. Christianity or the United STates, if they choose christianity they should not be allowed to vote. How do you think Tamara would feel about that?
Congrats, wingnuts! You've managed to all move back to the 16th century.
Hey, let's not leave out useful idiots like Drum, Marshall, and that idiot Ezra. The hard work of the Capitualting Moderate Bloggers who immediately rolled onto their backs and started pissing all over themselves the moment the brownshirts started looking at them sternly should not go unrewarded!
Okay, here's my little word game for the day - try it, it's fun!
"If Dad thinks he has a right to blow up (Jews, abortion clinics, gay bars, federal buildings in OK City) for the sake of (Christianity, assorted militia groups), odds are that Junior does, too. Remember: (conservative Christians) are equal opportunity (bombers) these days."
Fascinating that Eric Rudolf, Tim McVeigh, and Ted Kaczynski would have passed this woman's "loyalty" test...
I propose that anyone who was kicked in the head by a horse as a child be banned from coming anywhere a computer. Harsh, yes, but less severe than rounding them up into internment camps.
George W. Bush is not a pedophile! Stop the baseless rumors. Kerry should condemn these awful attacks on our presidents integrity.
One day Ms Wilhite will be running for high office, and someone will bring up these remarks. But it won't matter, because she will have been born again in the meantime, so this won't count.
We all know that Republican talking points show up simultaneously in the teleprompters and columns of a legion of right-wing spokesliars.
I was mindful of that several months back, when David Brooks in the NYT attempted to characterize all critics of the neocons (or, for that matter, anyone who even dared to use a term such as "neocons") as "anti-Semitic".
Brooks was, at the time, met with howls of "Foul!", and he immediately backed off, claiming, "Eet vass a CHOKE! I vass KEEDING!" And that pretty much ended it.
Oh, the hubris. It's back (see World O'Crap link, in the article by neocon Frank Gaffney). They're taking this shit out for another spin, and five'll git ya ten that this time, on the run-up to the coronation, it will have legs in the mainstream media. Diss a neocon; get expelled from the B'nai Brith. Lovely.
But do note: See? It WAS a right-wing talking point, and Brooks WAS dutifully parroting a blast fax. Whore.
Eh, sorry for the lack of close italics.
George W. Bush is not a pedophile! Stop the baseless rumors.
Until George W. Bush speaks out on these rumors, we just can't be sure.
That's ok, eagle, George W. Bush is poised to deny that he is actually a pedophile.
Armed to the teeth, we crawl,
Through our local Wal-Martian mall.
If a darkie gets flip,
Unload your clip.
Just the unholy will fall.
The hard work of the Capitualting Moderate Bloggers who immediately rolled onto their backs and started pissing all over themselves the moment the brownshirts started looking at them sternly should not go unrewarded!
dave
Now that's some god damned shrill! Lovin' it!
Hey, let's not leave out useful idiots like Drum, Marshall, and that idiot Ezra. The hard work of the Capitualting Moderate Bloggers
Why do people expect centrists to behave as left-ish liberals or leftists? Where is the value in expecting people to be other than what they have shown themselves to be? Centrist bloggers have shown themselves willing to take up the right's crusade from time to time. There is no surprise in that.
BUT, I do think that either Drum or Marshall easily could pick up a phone and "place that call." They both cite their sources as a matter of course. Pick up the phone, gentlemen.
Omar: I believe the word you're looking for is ephebophilia.
http://tinyurl.com/49rxc
uh, Kinky Friedman, haven't you heard of him?
Uh, no. Sorry. I have to admit I am not as truly hip as the others around here. I'm just some schmuck.
I thought Kinky Friedman was passing.
Gas?
And we can all bask in the glory of our Fearless Leader's complete and total victory against the forces of darkness:
Three years after the Sept. 11 suicide hijackings, the military does not have a fix on the whereabouts of Osama bin Laden and his top deputy, but they are believed to still be issuing the orders for al-Qaida attacks, a top American commander told The Associated Press on Saturday.
Maj. Gen. Eric Olson also said that an al-Qaida linked group was suspected of being behind a deadly car bombing at a U.S. security firm in the Afghan capital last month. He said it was a suicide attack.
"There are senior leaders of al-Qaida that are working through operatives in Afghanistan," Olson said in an interview. "They are involved in planning and in some cases directing attacks inside of Afghanistan."
Olson, the operational commander of U.S.-led forces in Afghanistan, said the military did not know where bin Laden or al-Qaida No. 2 Ayman al-Zawahri are located. But the involvement of well-trained foreign fighters in attacks near the Pakistani border convinced him that the fugitive leaders were pulling the strings.
"What we see are their techniques and their tactics here in Afghanistan, so I think it is reasonable to assume that the senior leaders are involved in directing those operations," he said.
Mission accomplished! Now watch this drive...
"George W. Bush is not a pedophile! Stop the baseless rumors."
Look, where was George Bush on 9/11? At an elementary school. Even after being told the nation was under attack, he sat with the children.
It's VERY odd that the president considered a group of children more important than national security.
Only a pedophile would think a room full of children was more important than two burning skyscrapers in Manhattan that were just hit by two airplanes.
I do think that either Drum or Marshall easily could pick up a phone and "place that call." They both cite their sources as a matter of course. Pick up the phone, gentlemen.
Absolutely goddam motherfucking right.
"Jacob? There are Jews in Texas? Wow, I need to get out more.
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 09.11.04 - 10:42 am | #"
Methinks her constant use of "jews" as both victims and gun-slinging good guys in her hypotheticals is to assure us that she is not actually a Nazi, 'cause Nazis killed jews, see, and since some of Ms. Wilhite's best friends know people who have eaten in Schlotsky's, she can't possibly be a Nazi.
Pre-emptive logic, winger style.
She just wants to get rid of the EVIL semites, not the good ones, you know.
Absolutely goddam motherfucking right.
ABC beat them to the phone. Hodges says, Huh? No. No. Don't know about those documents. I was duped!
Well I wonder what religion (or sub-religion) Ms. Whilhite belongs to. If one of her cult went postal in a shopping mall would she turn herself and her family in at the nearest internment camp?
Really good one there, Lime Rickey. It's becoming true art as you develop. Bravo!
I request an autographed copy of the best of Lime Rickey as soon as said volumes are available for purchase.
OT: I've really been hitting the blogs hard n heavy lately. One question: Is it a bad thing to dream in Haloscan?
Some peculiar article in the B Globe this morning about contact between the Taliban and the State Department after the cruise missle attack in 68. Believe it or not, Mullah Mohamed Omar told the state department that it was necessary to "get congress to force Clinton to resign" before any progress could be made by the Taliban to control Al Qaeda. This is apparently a reference to the Lewinsky-impeachment scandal.
Sooo, all those people died on 9-11 because Clinton wouldn't resign when the Taliban and the Republicans wanted him to. Nice?
dave - I'm still pissed at Josh and Kevin for jumping on the smear Joe Wilson bandwagon before checking the sources. Always take their stuff with a grain of salt, I say.
Ahhh, marching forward into the past...Hell, if Texas wants to secede, that's fine with me...Just kidding Tena and all you other Texans who visit this blog...
OT, but when will the Kerry campaign take the gloves off and start exploiting the USS Abraham Lincoln aircraft carrier stunt where fearless Dear Leader struts around in a flight suit with the Mission Accomplished banners in the background?
Tamara Wilhite
"the name's an anagram"
await ma hitler
hmmmmmm....
My Muslim cleaning lady said George Bush is a pedophile.
She's very honest and truthful.
So he must be a pedophile.
Anyone who registers as Muslim should be required to take a loyalty oath. The U.S. or Islam.
Anybody who registers as a Catholic should be required to take a loyalty oath. The U.S. or the Vatican.
Anybody who registers as Jewish should be required to take a loyalty oath. The U.S. or Israel.
Anybody who registers as "Evangelical" or "Chistian" will be immediately airlifted into Mecca with a suitcase full of Bibles and an armfull of gay pornography.
Ricardo - well, fuck it man, I'll just move to New Mexico. They like Democrats there.
jews and typewriters, who cares? what i want to know is did george really do a baby goat. i'm sure that i heard that somewhere. if true, that could be very damaging. i certainly could not vote for someone who was into satanic bestiality. that's just wrong.
GWPDA that was really nice, why can't we have more nice people?
Still no refutation of the pedophilia charges?
This has got me really concenred. Why doesn't George W. Bush put these awful rumors to rest once and for all?
It's got me concerned and concenred. But mostly concerned.
Evidently, many countries, even poor impoverished countries issue national ID cards that include religion as a field... It makes it a lot easier if you want to engage in rwandan style genocidal activites
Evidently, many countries, even poor impoverished countries issue national ID cards that include religion as a field... It makes it a lot easier if you want to engage in rwandan style genocidal activites
rickme
The old Soviet Union used to require that you register as a Christian or a Jew or (I'm assuming) a Muslim.
I wonder if they still have the same kind of national IDs in Putin's Russia. That would shut Tamara up pretty quickly.
A little makeover, and Ms. White is on FOX while Hannity nods, makes approving noises and bats his eyelashes at her.
Tena - Actually Ruidoso or Las Cruces wouldn't be a bad place to start...
Just sad. She has been scared shitless by this worthless administration. She has a better
chance of choking to death on a
pretzel than getting shot at the mall.
stranger, will Bush pay off his victims a la Michael Jackson?
Ricardo - Ruidosa - nice. Las Cruces, not as nice.
I'm thinking around Espanola.
Sorta OT. This is damn creepy.
A university president and a Democratic state lawmaker said rules put in place this year to protect conservative views on Colorado campuses have led to death threats against professors and a harmful effect on free speech.
Republican lawmakers responded that conservative students still are being harassed and more needs to be done.
A handful of college officials and students went before the Legislature's Joint Education Committee on Thursday to report on efforts to enforce the Academic Bill of Rights. All state-funded colleges adopted the policy this year under pressure from Republican lawmakers.
[...]
Colorado State student Heather Schmidt, an Army veteran whose husband is serving in Iraq, said one of her professors criticized former President Reagan and drew a caricature of President Bush. She said when she complained, she was told to find another class.
Sen. Ken Gordon, D-Denver, said he called the professor involved in that complaint and was told he had been forced out of the classroom by death threats.
"He said he sleeps with a shotgun under his bed," Gordon told the panel. The professor did not return a call from The Associated Press.
story here.
“…Anyone who chooses Islam is to be considered a threat to this country and put in confinement…”
“…Remember, extremism is a belief system. If Dad thinks he has a right to blow up Jews for the sake of Jihad, odds are that Junior does, too…And all children should be interred with the parents. All relatives of those in internment should be interred as well…”
-- words of Tamara Wilhite
All I can say is WOW!
I have never been a person who thought of violence as an act to be condoned in any circumstance. However, after these past few months of making myself read or listen to the words and try to comprehend the thought process (or total lack thereof, as is evident) of the wingnuttery of this country – particularly among their young spawns, I see that the future is daunting. JK and JE will have a very difficult task ahead of them when they take their oaths of office in January. Maybe it is a good idea that the ban on assault weapons has been lifted, it looks as though the blood-thirsty spawns of the wingnuttery are looking for a show-down. They will force us to take arms and on that day their fate will be sealed, because we all know that the majority of the wingnuttery use words, fear and intimidation tacts best, but when they are confronted physically, their cowardice flourishes and they will run and hide like the vermin they are (my apologies to true vermin everywhere).
Create national ID cards. Include biometric information. Include religion on the ID card.
Cool. I'm putting down ""Jediism" on my card.
May the Force be with you.
"I'm thinking around Espanola."
Tena,
excellent choice, there are so many cool, wide open areas to live out there. if you don't mind taking a drive (for your work) it's a good idea to stay away from the major towns. i lived there about a year, in sante fe (YucK). pecos, was in the midst of being developed, but i bet there are some nice things around there too.
me, i'll be head for the rockies, where hopefully i'll be able to set up a camp and not have to see anyone.
I don't think twits like these are scared of anything. I think they're overjoyed that they have a leader who implicitly(and, at times, explicitly)assures them that it's okay to be a self-centered racist homophobe.
tacts = tactics
A Satanic Knighthood in the U.S. Army.
I can't believe our President would be involved in something like that. I just can't.
It's difficult for me to understand the fears these wing-nuts seem to have. I suppose when you realize it's fear that drives them, you can't help but pity them. However, it is this fear which seems to make them as dangerous as a cornered animal.
This fear is all consuming and danger lurks around every corner for these people, driving them to extreme measures. Projecting these fears on anyone or anything outside of their protective sphere.
Generation after generation of frightened people... maybe they're not as different from their enemies as they think...
charley - well, I've already got my hideaway in the Rockies, but be careful, charley. There are a whole lot of extreme wingnuts already up here.
yes, put them in DEATH CAMPS...
ooops, did I say "death camps"?
I meant HAPPY CAMPS!!!
Cool. I'm putting down ""Jediism" on my card.
May the Force be with you.
jobobojo | Email | Homepage | 09.11.04 - 11:58 am | #
If they ever implement an ID system like this, the solution is for all of us to register as Muslims and pretty much make the system unworkable through volume.
Tena - Espanola, not bad either...Near Los Alamos, eh?...Just kidding 'bout TX, but I do find its politics strange, a fair portion of the populace strange (like the scared and confused woman in the linked article) as well as a place of contrasts (i.e. lots of churches and lots of strip bars)...I do like some of the music (i.e. the late great SRV)...
stranger,
damn that david horrorwits. these fuckers have to be stopped, like i said someone is going to get hurt.
it also occurs to me that a lot of this is happening because of bush's immoderate polices. "were goin' to smoke em outa their holes and whoop em" is not a very sophisticated foreign policy, and i have noticed that type of rhetoric has set an increasingly dark tenor in the national dialougue. yea, i'm basically saying it's bush fault. it's called poor leadership.
Bush-Cheney Cabal:Pedophilia, Arms Dealing, Murder.
It is absolutely appalling to see this kind of malicious slander go undenied.
I'm ashocked. Shocked.
If they ever implement an ID system like this, the solution is for all of us to register as Muslims and pretty much make the system unworkable through volume.
Exactly.
Some people say that "the current pedophile ticket of BUSH/CHENEY represents a threat to the national security of these UNITED STATES".
From the
If they ever implement an ID system like this, the solution is for all of us to register as Muslims and pretty much make the system unworkable through volume.
What's the food like? That's the first question I ask about any religion.
It's why I vacilitate between being a Greek Orthodox and a Jew...
The American Patriot Friends Network.
(Don't know why the link got cut off.)
Anyone notice that the wingnuts all put up their Bush Cheney yard signs late yesterday afternoon/this morning?
Hmmmm....I wonder what on earth the significance could be? It's very creepy, that's for sure.
monica_nyc & SWR - excellent idea vis-a-vis ID cards.
as an example of the poor leadership,the moral relativism of Donald Rumsfeld
Tena, don't go to Taos that's where rummy has a ranch. it's actually a nice area.
What's the food like? That's the first question I ask about any religion.
It's why I vacilitate between being a Greek Orthodox and a Jew...
I could never become a Muslim because of that stupid no alcohol rule but nothing would stop me from registering as one if they implemented a rule like this.
I don't know if it's an urban legend or not, but the King of Denmark supposedly put on a six pointed star when the Nazis occupied Denmark.
That would be the way to grind the system to a halt.
I guess I would have to register as an "atheist" if they did this which wouldn't make me much popular than a Muslim.
Of course I could produce a baptismal certificate and records saying I'm a Lutheran if I ever wanted to run for office.
I wonder what would happen for anybody who registers as an "Episcopalian" and runs for office. "Hey. We can't vote for you because you have gay priests?"
Still no refutation of the pedophilia charges?
For sure. We had to hear all about Clinton's rapes why is Bush's scandal hidden? Clinton raped that woman while at Oxford. He raped a woman at Yale. The Juanita Broaderick rape ... we dodged a bullet there. But the press covered them all the same.
The press must cover Bush's NAMBLA membership!
Stranger, re: the story you link
That's the scariest thing I've seen yet. To protect conservatives they get to violate the free speech rights of their professors? This is worse than McCarthyism.
charley,
The thing that struck me most about that article is the insistence that conservative thought somehow needs to be 'protected.'
And I'm amazed that on one hand the wingnuts in this country can be so brazen with their hatred of all things not them, and at the same time whine that they're being 'stifled' or 'censored.'
I guess the same principle, whatever it is, comes into play nicely for portraying a deserter as a great leader while portraying a decorated war hero as a wimp.
My head would explode if I tried to hold such polar opposites as beliefs. Weird.
National identification and registration of religion combined with concentration camps for muslims? Please please please can we call them Nazis now?
does anyone know mike godwin? maybe if he granted us special dispensation from Godwin's Law
I guess I would have to register as an "atheist" if they did this which wouldn't make me much popular than a Muslim.
heh, if you did that, even the Muslims would look at ya funny. You might get the time a day from a Unitarian, though. They're pretty tolerant.
Some people say the
I wrote a very respectful, civil e-mail to Josh Marshall asking when he was going to get around to eating shit. Meanwhile, he has yet to address the credibility of the charges regarding Bush's pedophilia and bestiality.
Anybody who registers as "Evangelical" or "Chistian" will be immediately airlifted into Mecca with a suitcase full of Bibles and an armfull of gay pornography.
they should also be wearing clothing made entirely from ham.
Damn haloscan.
"the Bush family is a haven for pedophiles".
I guess I would have to register as an "atheist" if they did this which wouldn't make me much popular than a Muslim.
heh, if you did that, even the Muslims would look at ya funny. You might get the time a day from a Unitarian, though. They're pretty tolerant.
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 09.11.04 - 12:26 pm | #
I don't think most Jews have a problem with atheism either (as long as you support Israel).
But it would still be the kiss of death as far as running for office goes. All my opponent would have to do is "prove" that at any time in my life I "registered as an atheist."
That's why, for me, registering as a Muslim would actually be better than registering as an atheist. It would cover my religious ass. For all anybody knows in 20 years, I registered as a Muslim as an act of protest and was still a good Christian.
ya' know, it's not so much the homosexuality that bothers me, even though i object to his self loathing and hypocrisy. and we all know that drug addiction is a disease, so i suppose he needs treatment rather than punishment. but this pedophilia issue is the last straw. vote for kerry. DO IT FOR THE CHILDREN!
I could never become a Muslim because of that stupid no alcohol rule but nothing would stop me from registering as one if they implemented a rule like this.
Well, I'd do it, too... and I guess the good thing about being a muslim is it incorporates so many countries, you should be able to find something good to eat. I already like Afghan food, and Middle Eastern, in general, so I guess I'm OK.
Oddly enough, I'm officially an Episcopalean, which means a strict diet of white bread and mayonnaise. The good news, though, is you wash it down with an extra-dry martini...
Oddly enough, I'm officially an Episcopalean, which means a strict diet of white bread and mayonnaise. The good news, though, is you wash it down with an extra-dry martini.
Nah. That's more white trash Anglo Saxon from the red states. Your elite, east coast Episcopalians usually have pretty good taste in food.
For me, the litmus test as to whether or not a Christian sect is civilized is what they use in their communion. A few low church Baptist types won't use wine so they use grapejuice instead.
Blah. Didn't Jesus even make wine out of water? How do they get around that one? How do the Muslims get around that one. If an esteemed prophets making wine out of water, than isnt' it OK to drink?
hart - I have to agree. Bush's homosexuality wouldn't even be an issue for me if it wasn't for the hate amendment and the hypocrisy. But of course, pedophilia is a crime.
To hell with ID cards and loyalty oaths! Make 'em all sew crescent shaped patches on their clothing so we know who to glare at on the airplane.
stranger - It's amusing...The right tries to portray itself as the party whose members are strong, masculine, and independent, but I suspect a fair number of them suffer from a persecution complex and consider themselves victims for their minority views...I think this belief is amplified even more so in conservative Christians...
We need to push the pedophilia issue. I'm sure Bush paid the kids off just like Michael Jackson.
Jackson is now in deep do do. We need to get the kids to come forward and accuse the president. Kerry has deep pockets, he can afford it. Hell I don't care if the kids aren't telling the truth. We would be doing the world a favor.
"Didn't Jesus even make wine out of water? How do they get around that one? ... If an esteemed prophets making wine out of water, than isnt' it OK to drink?" SWR
Yeah, but....wine makes you drunk which makes you dance, and the Baptists can't dance because dancing leads to sex which leads to pleasure. And pleasure is out of the question for any God fearing human bean.
Got it?
It's all about control.
Bush bones kids? That is just wrong.
Another reason to hate the chimp.
Make 'em all sew crescent shaped patches on their clothing so we know who to glare at on the airplane.
Who needs a patch?
Bob Harris didn't need one.
The food in Las Cruces is better than in Espanola, but the climate of Espanola is better. Still, Chama would be my pick in NM if I were going to move anywhere.
I have to agree. Bush's homosexuality wouldn't even be an issue for me if it wasn't for the hate amendment and the hypocrisy. But of course, pedophilia is a crime.
tena -
do we know whether that's one of the things for which he has been arrested?
Yeah, but....wine makes you drunk which makes you dance, and the Baptists can't dance because dancing leads to sex which leads to pleasure. And pleasure is out of the question for any God fearing human bean.
Got it?
It's all about control.
I guess that's why Catholics go right for the jugular on sex. They're cool with booze as long as it doesn't make you fuck outside of marriage with birth control.
Then again, every Catholic I know uses birth control.
Is there something going on with this site? Suddenly I'm getting the rolling ball cursor and it's hard to navigate, etc. I'm on an Imac.
Sera - some people on macs are having trouble due to the ProjectBillboard ad. I'm on a G4 powerbook running OSX, and I'm not having any problems.
hart - well, you know, George W Bush could clear up all this speculation about his pedophilia if he'd just tell us what the arrests were for.
CrazyCajun - Chama is gorgeous. Therefore, Chama is almost as expensive as Santa Fe and Taos.
What's the food like? That's the first question I ask about any religion.
I guess that rules out Satanism.
stranger - thanks. Not enough for those poor Colorado YRFs that they can turn on FOX, MSNGOP, or one of a multitude of Clear Channel blather streams and get their hate on 24-7. They've got to be 'protected' from scary critical statements on St. Ronny or icky cartoons of the chimp - through legislation (so much for that small government theory they like to wear on their sleeves). I honestly wonder if these goons ever experience a moment of self-examination.
Okay, I get that George Bush is a pedophile. I actually read those stories in the Moonie Times back in 1989, when they originally ran. My brother and I used to glom each day's revelations and wonder when the Post would pick the sordid details up. We're still waiting.
What I wanna know is this: Are both George Bushes, pere et fils, baby-raping scumbags? Or is it just one of them who is a charter member of NAMBLA? Blame their dang fool mamas for naming 'em the same thing.
Really not sure if the king of Denmark wore the Star of David during the nazi occupation, but it is a fact that tens of thousands of non-Jewish Danes did wear the Star in support of their fellow countrymen..."We're all Danes," was the slogan...Unfortunately in the U.S. we have a tendency to fuck and take advantage of other Americans economically, socially, racially, etc. in our greedy dog-eat-dog mentality of social Darwinism...
Thanks for the info, Tena. I love this site so the problem is very frustrating.
LOL. Bush is a homosexual and even the Log Cabin Republicans won't endorse him. I'm not bashing homosexuals or NAMBLA, nothing but respect for these folks. Just enjoying the irony.
A POLL
Who among the people who are posting on this comment thread could actually get through that whole thing?
I couldn't. I got about mid-way through the second psychotic rant (where the loon writes that Kerry's for "killing womb babies" (first it was "partial birth abortion," now look for "womb baby" as the new Right Wing meme) and couldn't bring myself to go on.
These people are the psychiatric 1st cousins of David Koresh, David Duke, Jim Jones, Marshall Applewhite (of "Heaven's Gate" fame, remember him?) and Robert Novak. Really, really unstable.
But, again, the poll: who could actually read ALL of this claptrap?
Queequeg
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I have decided that my son will no longer have to attend history classes in school.
I figure why bother learning about the nazis in Germany during WW2 when we have all our own nazi-wannabes exhibiting the finest qualities of aryan power here at home?
man I love nazis, I really do. They give me the complete and utter freedom to use my guns on them without fear of actually harming another 'human being'.
At least now I know why the Israelis are spying on us.
They can see the writing on the wall. They know what's coming.
If we're their biggest, greatest ally then why would they spy on us?
I think it's obvious. They see the nazis who are only now targeting muslems but once they've murdered off the arabs(the poor ones), put the niggers back in our fields and white boys back on the BB courts, and kicked the wetback taco benders back to their third world hellholes then it's only a matter of time before they start rounding up the jesus killers.
But of course they'll have the Arnold/Mel Gibson administration in office by that point.
I'm really worried that if I do move my family to New Zealand that eventually nazi-america will target them for not being christian or white enough.
White people suck!
MYOB'
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The evil-doers hate us because of our freedom!
To protect ourselves we must do away with our freedom!
This message brought to you by liberty-loving small-government conservatives for a totalitarian police state.
Queequeg,
I got about two paragraphs in and hit my limit.
My tolerance for wingnut spew is way down nowadays. Usually it's good for a laugh, but lately I'm just not in the mood for it.
I've had it with these scurrilous charges of pedophilia against our President. I happen to know for a fact that on Christmas Eve of 1968, he did NOT commit a pedophilic act on a Swiftboat in Cambodia.
Well, I guess it is no wonder the Christofascists are so confused since they are so much like their fun new enemy, the Islamofascists.
Both think America is degenerate and decandent.
Both think women need to be covered up, shut-up and set to attending to their lord's (husband's) needs 24/7.
Both hate queers.
Both have martyrs willing to die for the cause.
Both have instigated horrible terrorist attacks on the US (anyone remember Oklahoma City?).
Both want more such devastation (recall Pat Robertson praying for the destruction of Orlando? and don't tell me they all wouldn't cream their pants should San Franciso be attacked).
So, this is why these wingnuts keep suggest we fight the evil-doers by becoming more like them.
Cameron,
How do you know that? Have you ever been to Cambodia asshole? The sex trade in children is big over there.
I wouldn't put it past Bushie.
Cameron - well we are trying to be fair about Bush's homosexuality and pedophilia. We really wish that Bush would just come out publicly and make a statement so that we can move on.
His arrests were 30 years ago, as far as we know, so chances are he has gotten help. I'm sure that America will forgive Bush his pedophilia, if he just admits it and asks for forgiveness.
Does anyone know mike godwin? maybe if he granted us special dispensation from Godwin's Law
Godwin's Law has been suspended, pending the removal of the neo-fascists from the US government.
Chuck,
Somehow I have a very, very hard time picturing Dubya placing himself anywhere within 10,000 miles of Cambodia in 1968.
Tena,
Nobody better hold his or her breath waiting for the Maximum Leader to have a Jim McGreevey moment. Current WH procedure is to never admit anything about anything. Lie and deny, that's the ticket.
They're NOT Nazis, folks. Nazis were a feature of a particular milieu, the products of a particular age and condition set.
That dose NOT mean they aren't FASCISTS: Fascism, especially in its early stages, is obliged to be antitheoretical and frankly opportunistic in order to appeal to many diverse groups. Nevertheless, a few key concepts are basic to it. First and most important is the glorification of the state and the total subordination of the individual to it. The state is defined as an organic whole into which individuals must be absorbed for their own and the state's benefit. This “total state” is absolute in its methods and unlimited by law in its control and direction of its citizens.
A second ruling concept of fascism is embodied in the theory of social Darwinism. The doctrine of survival of the fittest and the necessity of struggle for life is applied by fascists to the life of a nation-state. Peaceful, complacent nations are seen as doomed to fall before more dynamic ones, making struggle and aggressive militarism a leading characteristic of the fascist state. Imperialism is the logical outcome of this dogma.
Another element of fascism is its elitism. Salvation from rule by the mob and the destruction of the existing social order can be effected only by an authoritarian leader who embodies the highest ideals of the nation. This concept of the leader as hero or superman, borrowed in part from the romanticism of Friedrich Nietzsche , Thomas Carlyle , and Richard Wagner , is closely linked with fascism's rejection of reason and intelligence and its emphasis on vision, creativeness, and “the will.”
Summary:
Friendly Fascism - by Bertram Gross - quote
"Don't think that modern fascists are like Hitler or Mussolini. Today's Big Government-Big Business tyrants are just as willing to use violence. But they do it more efficiently than the old-time fascists-- with higher tech and lower costs to them. They have the best looks, poli- ticians, celebrities, and control mechanisms that money can buy. Yes, their own conscience tells them that true democracy would be nice. But suppressing their conscience, they under- mine the rights of the working and middle classes. Their operating principle is "Might, Money, Male, Murder-- and also White--Make Right." They wreck the environment. They fool you, rule you, use you, abuse you--and make you like it. They divide you by race, sex, class, and nationality. But they fear the power of the powerless. They're afraid of what you could do if you get off the boob tube and drugs, out of the night clubs and cut-throat competition--and work with others for equal rights."
One of my favorite movie moments has always been the scene in Spartacus when every man claims to be Spartacus... I'd be proud to stand up and do that!
(I absolutely love World O'Crap - it is truly the Mystery Science Theatre 3000 of the blog world!)
"Anyone who registers as Muslim should be required to take a loyalty oath."
Oath, schmoth. I seem to remember some asinine yahoo named George, with his right hand on a bible, in front of millions of people, swearing to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
It's kind of like the oath school children are forced to recite. If you're just mouthing the words and have absolutely no comprehension of their meaning, the point of the oath taking is lost.
Anyone who registers as Muslim should be required to take a loyalty oath. The U.S. or Islam.
What gets me about her rant, even more than the blatant disregard for human rights and simple decency, is the COLOSSAL FECKIN' STUPIDITY she displays.
Wouldn't a terr'ist on a mission to smite the infidel simply lie about religion? Wouldn't Al Qaeda simply start recruiting some Aryan-looking types to carry out their attacks?
Stranger --
yep, that's about as much as I could do, well, into about the 2nd graph of the second Nut Highlight.
At first the drek gives mild, guilt-laden entertainment: like slowing down at a car accident. Then it just gets creepy, sad and maddening, and tiresome to read or listen to . . .
Queequeg
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Lie and deny, that's the ticket.
And slime and defend.
That should be his left hand on a bible.
I think I was watching the horrible scene in a mirror because looking at it directly was hurting my eyes. The evil emanating from my TV was like heat waves coming off the highway.
Actually World O'Crap is the only place I CAN read winger spew, thanks to s.z.'s hilarious commentary. To expand on something Charlotte Smith said, it's sort of like watching the gang from Mystery Science Theater sit through a screening of "Triumph of the Will."
But this stuff is highly corrosive, and only safe within the confines of s.z.'s heckling. For the sake of my increasingly fragile sanity, I never click through and read the source articles unMST'd.
Till Laura moved a bit this year I thought maybe Bush was an example of Pygmalionism.
He likes sex with kids? Wouldn't be surprised, many of the more decadent Ceasars were. Droit du junior.
Too true, Scott, too true. No-one should have to suffer through the right-wing nutters alone or without a filtration system. S.Z. and Atrios are two of my heroes for braving the shitstorm on a regualr basis.
Nah. That's more white trash Anglo Saxon from the red states.
Well, I'm in a blue state, but the white trash angle fits. Don't be dissing my family heritage!
2+2=4.
up is up.
down is down.
Fire is hot.
water is wet at room temperature.
Wingnuts are vile.
Any questions??
You want to know the truth about those evildoers?
That actually hate us because of
our reality TV.
Deal with it, America!
That actually hate us because of
our reality TV.
Deal with it, America!
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Well, if that's the case, where do I fuckin' sign up, man?
Deism for me!
I got as far as "thank god the assault weapons ban ends next week."
These are the same folks who accuse Hollywood of corrupting the moral fabric of our nation.
Yet, by an odd coincidence, all their fantasies of self-defense seem to come from the big shootout scenes in old westerns.
Go figure.
Zymphora was a beauty this morn: " I've said it before, but apparently it is worth saying it again:
Rove is on his game here. By holding back the military records he has made the military records the issue, and has managed to divert the media from the real issue, which is the community service. If those legal files ever get out, showing that Bush was convicted of a serious drug offence, his political career will be finished. The real reason that Bush went AWOL was that he couldn't afford to take a drug test. The real reason he couldn't afford to take a drug test was that it would have been a condition of his sentencing that he remain clean. If word of the failed drug test had filtered back to the court, he would have gone to jail. His fear of the criminal legal consequences is why he went AWOL, and that's why the community service is the key to understanding what is going on here. By concentrating on the military records, the media is walking right into Rove's trap."
At some point the Democrats are going to have to get it through their thick heads that Bush's shoddy military record is not a winning issue for them. Bush's supporters have digested the fact that Bush had help from high places in his short military career, and can live with it. What they can't accept is the fact that Kerry came back to campaign against the war, and thus, as far as the Bush supporters are concerned, committed Hanoi-Jane-style treason against the United States. Every time the Democrats bring up Bush's war record, it just reminds Bush supporters that Kerry is a traitor. The details of Bush's service, or lack thereof, will always be buried in the selective releases of laundered records released by the White House and the Pentagon (isn't amazing how each release is described as all the documents, only to be followed by more releases when specific new points require a response?). Those who want to believe in Bush will always be able to fool themselves into believing what they want to believe. At this point, with all many documents available, and the new allegations of forgery from Bush's true believers, undecided voters will just throw up their hands in disgust at the whole issue. If Democrats want to win, the only way they can do it is to get information on what happened in that Texas court room in 1972. The person brave enough to do this would be on an a suicide mission, as Rove and Cheney would have him or her killed (a 'suicide' consisting of three shotgun blasts to the head). There is also an ethical issue involved, as anyone who talks to the suicidal investigator would also be killed. Nevertheless, the drug conviction issue is the only thing that will register with the American electorate. Do the Democrats really want to win, or are they just going through the motions again?"
For those who didn't have the stomach to scroll all the way to the bottom, sure enough, neocon Frank Gaffney is squealing "anti-semitism" over the investigation of Pollardism in the Pentagon.
And he's repeating the disingenuous mantra that "neocon is a code-word for 'Jew.'" Just like Jesse Jackson starts squealing "racism" louder than ever when he (or one of his sons) gets his hand caught in the cookie jar.
I owe myself a beer.
My Freak-Out-Meter went nonlinear when I read she wanted the national-ID card to include your religion.
That scares the shit out of me.
Not that it will happen.
...will it?
you gotta hand it to them, though. being an effective liar is hard work. i have clients who lie even when the truth would do them more good. and even though they practice lying every day, they aren't terribly good at it.
rove and company, however, have raised lying to an art form. on the rare occasions when they are called out on a lie, they just tell another lie, and the SCUM swallows it hook, line, sinker, rod, reel and bass boat.
and on the rare occasions when they don't lie, they just clam up. and the media sits still for it. absofuckinglutely amazing.
why no physical? of course, he was drugged up, but nobody will even ask the question. i weep for the state of journalism.......
Funniest thing we ever heard Lovitz say since Master Thespian did Macy's Santa Claus:
[John Lovitz's character has just defrauded all his stockbrokers, then tricked the man who gave him room and board until he got back on his feet into taking responsibility for his deliberate fleecing of the company. He is asked by Marge Simpson, a woman he once tried to date rape:]
Do you understand why people don't like you?
Lovitz's charcter: Anti-Semitism?
Did anyone else notice her Freudian slips on the keyboard? When she meant "internment camp" she wrote "interment camp" (you know, a camp where you get to bury people -- inter them), and when she meant "the children should be interned with their parents", she wrote, "interred."
Just bury them... Right. That's a great policy for a country that preaches democracy and human rights to the rest of the world.
Interesting, isn't it, that those who claim to be such proud, such true, such REAL patriots are the first to suggest doing away with everything that supposedly makes the country worth defending in the first place?
What was it Ben Franklin said upon leaving the constitutional convention? "You have your Republic -- if you can keep it"?
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