I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Looks close. I don't know....
Show me.
New Polling posted at Kos
http://tinyurl.com/6n6nq
From Talkleft - a mother's irate letter describing how the site to hold protestors during the RNC was leased by the RNC. They plan ahead, those Republicans!
http://ming.tv/flemming2.php/
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Ye gods. What are we in for now? New Poll from newsweek is out... shows that the swift boat ads did more to positively affect Kerry than these latest Bush Guard developments... that's a good sign
We're headed upriver!
We're headed upriver!
A friend in Kansas City, MO tells me he knows three staunch Republicans who are voting for Kerry. I know it's anectodal, but I've heard lot of stories like that (and few about Gore voters now supporting Bush).
We should be taking the whole 50.
On Oct 10, 2001, in the wake of 9/11, the White House released a list of 22 most-wanted al-Queda terrorists.
Three years after the attacks, how many have been captured or killed?
14 points behind in Missouri.
Bwaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Hope so. I wish Farmer was doing better against Bond, though.
Another one of my many crack-pot theories is that in the current FEAR EVERYTHING!! climate, Kerry's support is underestimated in the polls by 2-4% because some timorous souls are reluctant to admit they're actually gonna vote for him. There are examples of this in many third world elections, but I think this is a unique situation for us.
Oh, yeah, frist. How could I possibly let that go?
Another example of the slow deterioration of journalism in this country:
It may be the case that a poll conducted entirely over the weekend picked up a few more Republicans than it should of.
Umm, Kim? Even a librul half-wit like me knows that it's 'should have.'
Sheesh.
Senator Talent said, "I've always tended to, in my races or other races, to concentrate on the final poll, which is election day and that's the one that matters."
Meanwhile, work hard to elect Kerry as if your life depended on it.
It does.
Missouri will go to Kerry. We have the judges there.
When Bush's pedophilia starts to get traction the election will be in the bag.
I hope so. I was in St. Louis, MO for the first time ever last week, and didn't feel like I was in "Kerry Country". I just didn't get a great feeling, but WTF do I know about Missouri anyway. When I go to offices around here (Philadelphia area) and in NJ, NY, etc. I see many different races and nationalities working in the technical skill positions of the companies I am visiting. In St. Louis, the company I visited reminded me of the Republican convention - the only blacks I saw were working in the cafeteria, cleaning the place up, and at the security desk. I didn't see a lot of Indians, Russians, Chinese immigrants - maybe a few, but far less than I see around here.
And isn't that supposed to be one of the more Democratic areas of MO?
I hope so. I was in St. Louis, MO for the first time ever last week, and didn't feel like I was in "Kerry Country". I just didn't get a great feeling, but WTF do I know about Missouri anyway. When I go to offices around here (Philadelphia area) and in NJ, NY, etc. I see many different races and nationalities working in the technical skill positions of the companies I am visiting. In St. Louis, the company I visited reminded me of the Republican convention - the only blacks I saw were working in the cafeteria, cleaning the place up, and at the security desk. I didn't see a lot of Indians, Russians, Chinese immigrants - maybe a few, but far less than I see around here.
And isn't that supposed to be one of the more Democratic areas of MO?
My dear mother-in-law lives in Missouri. She's a Southern Baptist but has been known to vote for democrats. I'm sure she's planning on voting for Bush because of what he tells these folks he thinks about abortion. She knows I'm avidly pro-choice, we've agreed to disagree on this subject and generally avoid discussing politics. But I have a secret plan when we go to visit her next week...
My 16-year-old son is very interested in history and his hatred for George Bush is supported by his understanding of history and current events. (These gen-y'ers are a different breed, folks, thank God some of them can vote this year.) Today he asked me to pick up the 9/11 commission report when I was at Costco and he's been watching a lot of 9/11 coverage today.
I commute daily on the train and work for a financial exchange--what one might consider a terrorist target. While he realizes it is extremely unlikely, my son is concerned that I could be a victim if there is an attack. He knows I had several former colleagues who died 3 years ago today.
So...the plan is to have the grandson talk to grandma. Tell her about his concerns and tell her why he thinks Bush is making terrorists more likely to strike, not less likely to. Who knows if it will work--she won't listen to my hysteria about our fiscal health--but my little guy is quite articulate, it's worth a shot!
I hope so. I was in St. Louis, MO for the first time ever last week, and didn't feel like I was in "Kerry Country". I just didn't get a great feeling, but WTF do I know about Missouri anyway. When I go to offices around here (Philadelphia area) and in NJ, NY, etc. I see many different races and nationalities working in the technical skill positions of the companies I am visiting. In St. Louis, the company I visited reminded me of the Republican convention - the only blacks I saw were working in the cafeteria, cleaning the place up, and at the security desk. I didn't see a lot of Indians, Russians, Chinese immigrants - maybe a few, but far less than I see around here.
And isn't that supposed to be one of the more Democratic areas of MO?
I hope so. I was in St. Louis, MO for the first time ever last week, and didn't feel like I was in "Kerry Country". I just didn't get a great feeling, but WTF do I know about Missouri anyway. When I go to offices around here (Philadelphia area) and in NJ, NY, etc. I see many different races and nationalities working in the technical skill positions of the companies I am visiting. In St. Louis, the company I visited reminded me of the Republican convention - the only blacks I saw were working in the cafeteria, cleaning the place up, and at the security desk. I didn't see a lot of Indians, Russians, Chinese immigrants - maybe a few, but far less than I see around here.
And isn't that supposed to be one of the more Democratic areas of MO?
When Bush's pedophilia starts to get traction the election will be in the bag.
Lurker
Desperate?
Bwaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Saying it over and over, does not make it so, moonbat.
sorry for the double post
sorry for the double post
Aargh
Aargh
moonbat.
The true sign of a LGF freak.
look what else is clinton's fault:
Clinton Spurs Men to Get Hearts Checked
By MARILYNN MARCHIONE
AP Medical Writer
Published September 11, 2004, 6:00 AM CDT
As former President Bill Clinton checked out of the hospital where he had bypass surgery, people across the nation were rushing to hospitals, seeking to have their own hearts checked out.
Many places around the country are seeing cases of "Clinton syndrome" -- worried, middle-aged men wanting tests for chest pain and other possible heart disease symptoms.
[...]
The "celebrity effect" also boosted emergency room visits.
At St. Luke's-Roosevelt Hospital in New York City, eight or nine people came in with chest pains each day this past week compared with the usual five, said Dr. Patricia Carey, director of emergency medicine.
"I asked the triage nurse, `What's wrong with this patient who just arrived?' She said, `Clinton syndrome.' It's a way of saying it's a middle-aged man with chest pains who's really worried," Carey said.
Usamabinlazy,
Why the discrepancy between the polls?
"Jay Leve, editor of Survey USA, believes it's because the Gallop poll was conducted over the Labor Day weekend, a couple of days before Survey USA's poll, "Gallup does excellent work and I don't want to say anything that disputes that. We've made the judgment not to poll anywhere over the Labor Day weekend anywhere, including Missouri."
Keep thinking that you are way ahead kid.
It would have been better if I had wrote: The true sign of a Little Green Freak. I need more coffe.
I live and blog in Saint Louis, and the amazing thing about this is that other than 2 visits by Kerry since the Convention, he isn't doing anything here. I don't see any TV ads at all, from either candidate.
It is a frustrating feeling, because we feel abandoned, although Kerry keeps coming here.
So where are the ad buys by Kerry? I assume MI, OH, PA, FL?
The Ward Report
I should have wrote 'coffee' the lack of which caused me to miss-spell it.
The whole 2000 election came down to Florida.
Read it here frist, err, first: The whole 2004 election will come down to Missouri.
Either that or it'll be a blowout for Kerry -- low-300 EC votes for Kerry to low-200 EC votes for Bush.
One or the other. Haven't made up my mind yet. But you'll be the frist, err, first to know...
You're welcome,
Saying it over and over, does not make it so, moonbat.
Well, you dipshits thought it worked with Juanita Broaddrick.
I'm sure if Bush would just be honest and addess the issue, we can put it behind us.
Yet he continues to avoid the issue. Why is that?
"Saying it over and over, does not make it so, moonbat."
So true. Please pass that on to Mssrs. Bush and Cheney re: any connection between al-Queda and Hussein's Iraq.
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Saying it over and over, does not make it so, moonbat.
Usamabinlazy
Thinking of all the times you've repeatedly cited the same bad poll data and the Swift Boat Liars Meme of the Moment and then considering this statement has given me a good giggle. Don't know if that's your intention, but thanks.
Here's another anecdote, so I know it isn't one of those stories with sources, etc. But...
A friend of mine up here whose house is next to a campground was telling me that she was talking to some of the campers the other day and that most of the people in the campground from Texas were saying they were voting Democratic this time, but seemed to be afraid to admit it, and would only say it out loud in whispers.
My friend who told me this is a Republican.
Texas used to be a solidly Democratic state. There are still a lot of us and there are also a lot of Repugs in Texas who are very quietly planning to vote Democratic this time. I know a number of them personally.
Much as I had like to believe this, I remember SUSA putting Kerry up on bush by only 4 points in California early in the season...
Usamabinlazy,
The pedophilia will stick. People won't stand for this, as Michael Jackson's problem have shown.
Start sweating. The headlines will soon be "I was groped by the Chimp".
Clinton was only able to dodge the rape charges so long. It finally stuck.
Besides, a lot of Texans are already aware that George W Bush is a pedophile and that it is probable that at least one of his arrests was for possession of kiddie porn.
Besides, a lot of Texans are already aware that George W Bush is a pedophile and that it is probable that at least one of his arrests was for possession of kiddie porn.
Call CBS!
I know many thoughtful republicans (I know you will say this is an oxymoron), but really they do exist, and most of them are deeply disillusioned with Bush and plan to vote for Kerry.
Despite the polls and press babble, I think Kerry will win in a landslide.
My great hope is that after Kerry wins, the republicans begin the hard work of moving back to the center.
In addition to getting Kerry, we might see the demise of the conservative movement, at least, for the foreseeable future.
Comes Mr. Hersh now... and the DOD issues a press release on Sat., Sept. 11.
http://tinyurl.com/42ble
Hersh is this year's Walsh.
Read it here frist, err, first: The whole 2004 election will come down to Missouri.
you're close keanu -- it's actually five states we'll be watching
MO, PA, NV, CO (yes, for real, because of the proportional EV ballot question) and FL
you could also add VA and NM for very different reasons,
You're our kind of guy, Usamabinlazy!
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Sure I talked to that nice Gallup man who phoned last weekend. I'm 85, broke my hip last January, all my friends are dead, and my rotten kids haven't visited or called me for four years; what else do I have to do on Labor Day? Why can't I have a son like that nice President Bush? I'm sure he'd let me live with him at his ranch in Texas.
The Texas Truth ads are doing their job:
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/0409.../
nysa006_1.html
From OTC's link:
If any of Mr. Hersh’s anonymous sources wish to come forward and offer evidence to the contrary, the department welcomes them to do so. There are several open investigations, and we would certainly investigate their allegations without prejudice or hesitation.
Hahahahahahahaha! Sure you would. The Bush administration and all connected to it are known for their sense of fair play and lack of prejudice against any who criticize it.
hersh is on MTP this weekend, and there is going to be something of a debate on iraq during the show
get ready .. it's gonna be a roller coaster from here on out til november 2nd
Besides, a lot of Texans are already aware that George W Bush is a pedophile ...
Where can I go to read up on Bush's pedophilia? I want to have the facts to throw in the faces of those Swift Boat supporters at work.
My life is hell listening to those jerks smear Kerry about his fake medals and abbreviated service.
I thought there would be more ad buys in MO...we're seeing them here in Michigan. The one I like the best features Bush speaking about the strength of the economy played over and over like a broken record. It's effective. Especially because we keep hearing that more layoffs are coming in the manufacturing sector.
I honestly don't know how anyone can make an intelligent decision to vote for Bush. That will be the question that I ponder for the rest of my life, I'm afraid.
Gotta go back to the swim meet. Bye.
We're gonna take Colorado, too. I'm going to one of several dozen Kerry neighborhood organizing parties this evening. In 2000, in my precinct, only 51% of registered Dems showed up to vote. This year, we will NOT let that happen. 2000's GOTV was lame (I know as I was part of it).
Colorado polls show the state tied. We Dems in CO are working as if we were 502 votes behind. If you know a Democrat or undecided voter in CO, please call/email them. We WILL win here, but the margin will be razor-thin.
If every Gore state voted Kerry, and FL and OH still went to Bush, and CO goes Kerry, we have President Kerry.
On the Clock -- whoa, that's pretty funny, the DoD denying allegations that haven't even been made yet. I am looking forward to next week . . .
Another anecdote--
A really thoughtful, intelligent conservative boy in one of my classes (pro-same-sex marriage, favors curbs on the Patriot Act, actual anti-government intrusion type) told me he switched his party affiliation from Republican to Democrat when I asked him if he was enjoying the RNC (I live in NYC).
Another one saved from the dark side.
There are ongoing investigations, and there will be more information disclosed. Thus far these investigations have determined that no responsible official of the Department of Defense approved any program that could conceivably have authorized or condoned the abuses seen at Abu Ghraib.
Would that be "developing," then, dear DoD?
Tena is all this talk about the pedophile thing a real rumor or just crap? I thought it was crap but now you're repeating it too.
Chuck - well, unfortunately, Bush and his people just will not admit the pedophilia or the homosexuality. You are going to have to get most of the information about it here, because there is a huge cover up in the administration of the pedophilia. And of course, the homosexuality. (not that there's anything wrong with that.)
Besides, a lot of Texans are already aware that George W Bush is a pedophile
That would make some sense with how frigid Mrs. Bush seems. She's not getting any to soften her up. What's going on with all that?
Christopher - well, as to whether or not it's crap, (Bush's pedophilia, that is,) - you'll just have to decide for yourself.
Thanks Tina.
I was hoping there was a website tracking documents or recording testimony. Not too many sexual predators are "cured". So there has to be some hard evidence out there.
Christopher,
I think it refers to Bush being "too Junior" to be a pilot in Vietnam.
Read it anyway you want. Bush really needs to clarify what he said.
If every Gore state voted Kerry, and FL and OH still went to Bush, and CO goes Kerry, we have President Kerry.
themulls
it does appear that the GOP is running out of ideas that work for the western part of the country and the preznut is really vulnerable in CO and NV, albeit for some different reasons
i do think kerry is gonna take CO, but he'll end up with a proportional number of EVs due to the ballot question
NV is there for the taking too - in both the CO and NV polling "trends" i have seen, and trends are a far better prognosticator (sp), the momentum is moving in the challenger's direction
I'm thrilled about Colorado. Just thrilled. I hope it goes for Kerry.
And of course, the homosexuality. (not that there's anything wrong with that.)
Tena
There's something wrong with it when you're sucking dick and proposing a Constitutional ban on gay marriage.
I've lived in St. Louis for nearly 5 years now, and before that, John Kerry was my Senator. MO is a southern state - and InsultComicDog is exactly right (and it does bear repeating). I work in a major university, and man - the segregation by race is crazy big. And the rightward tilt of the state seems inescapable to me - Kerry is only going to squeak through if there is a massive, massive effort to get out the vote, and the election problems so frequent here don't rematerialize.
I hope you're right, Atrios, but I ain't optimistic.
Tena--but what's the evidence? Is it going to be in that Kitty Kelley book?
Is Bush diddling little boys or little girls?
i do think kerry is gonna take CO, but he'll end up with a proportional number of EVs due to the ballot question
I thought the proportional count was on the November ballot in CO, so would not take effect until the next election, were it to pass.
Is that incorrect?
There's something wrong with it when you're sucking dick and proposing a Constitutional ban on gay marriage.
didn't j edgar hoover do the same thing, in essence, when he was knocking down hollywood actors in the 1950s?
Ah, to be able to throw the fact that Bush is a fag in their faces. I can't wait. They are supporting a mud packer for president.
Too delicious.
Kerry's going to take Arkansas too.
For those of you obsessing over the big EV states, let me just remind you that if Gore had turned Clinton loose in Arkansas for just 2 weeks in 2000 (for god sakes, no way Clinton could have "hurt" him here), Florida would not have mattered.
Big John won't be making that mistake. Look for Clinton to show up in Arkansas in mid October, after fully recuperating from his surgery. A week, or even 3 days of Clinton campaigning in the Delta will put Arkansas securely in Kerry's column, because it will GOTV.
I'm sorry I don't have any web sites I can direct people to regarding Bush's pedophilia. It would just help so much if the WH would go ahead and tell us what the 4 or 5 arrests were for...
Gotta go. Y'all will have to dig up the truth yourselves.
i thought the proportional question in CO is inclusive of this election, if I am wrong , my apologies, but that's what I've heard
You know, many queers consider themselves straight although they're homosexuals because the congnitive dissonance is so strong.
Swing State Project: Colorado EV-Splitting Initiative is on the Ballot
Via Kos, it looks like the Colorado initiative to split its electoral votes proportionately has succeeded in getting on the ballot for this fall. If the measure passes, it would apply starting this election. As we've discussed here before, this move - while a short-term boon for Kerry - would likely be bad for the Dems long-term. That's because it would start an arms race where Republicans lean or safe Dem states would try the same thing. I could easily imagine a similar initiative getting on the ballot - and winning - in California.
And as the article indicates, it may not even be so great short-term. There would almost certainly be legal battles over the initiative if it proves decisive in the election. The most obvious avenue of attack is pretty simple: The U.S. Constitution provides that state legislatures choose the method that electoral college members will be appointed. Though my understanding is that the CO constitution defines the legislature's will pretty broadly - ie, the legislature created the ballot initiative system, hence it can choose to delegate its authority - I could easily imagine a big fight over this.
Colorado has nine EVs this year. This measure would pretty much automatically give us four of those votes. While the possibility of the initiative passing will surely make Bush sweat in search of four new EVs, we don't want to win this way. Obviously, we want to win as big as we can. But if it's going to be close - and I still think it will be - we want Kerry's election to be as "legit" as possible. Yes, Bush won a stolen election that was about as illegitimate as it gets. But we all know that, thanks to the GOP and their media abettors, there's a huge double-standard that overlooks this kind of thing when it decisively benefits the Republicans but excoriates the Democrats if it even appears to benefit us in the slightest.
P.S. Gotta love the name of the GOP-backed group opposing this measure: Coloradans Against a Really Stupid Idea. They happen to be right, but they have no idea why.
Those Bush girls (Jenna and Not Jenna) seem pretty dysfunctional to me. I suspect their dad messed with them when they were litttle.
Ah, to be able to throw the fact that Bush is a fag in their faces. I can't wait. They are supporting a mud packer for president.
Too delicious.
Chuck
Instead of "mud packer" or fudge packer, we prefer the term, 'boody bandit.'
Oh, and just a reminder: go google a national or your state's voter registration form and download a few to carry with you this weekend. I'm getting ready to go to the store, and I have mine in the car in case the clerk isn't registered.
It's easy to sign up new voters, get out there and sign up a few as you go about your daily routine.
If CO news reports are correct, the EV proportioning question is inclusive of this election. Many progressives in CO are opposing this one (and many are supporting it too--it's the hot topic in CO progressive circles right now). There are compelling arguments that this should only be done at the national level.
i thought the proportional question in CO is inclusive of this election, if I am wrong , my apologies, but that's what I've heard
You're right, syntallic.
I googled it: Colorado proposes Proportional Representation
June 15, 2004: A well-financed ballot measure would change Colorado's winner-take-all allocation of electoral votes to one allocated by proportional representation.
The wealthy president of a Brazilian university is bankrolling an initiative to end Colorado's winner-take-all presidential electoral system. ...
... If approved Nov. 2, the constitutional amendment would affect this year's choice for president by immediately permitting the division of Colorado electoral votes. And it would mark the most ambitious Electoral College reform yet in the nation. ...
Call CBS!
pie
Why not call them? Liars seem to stick together, pie.
Oops. Ya beat me to it.
I don't undestand why so many guy think the twins are hot. I find them ugly as hell. Bush with tits. And it will only get worse with age.
syntallic wrote: "MO, PA, NV, CO (yes, for real, because of the proportional EV ballot question) and FL"
If you're gonna list the states that appear to be close right now, then let's not overlook WI, IA, OH, AR, and WV.
However, I think it's quite reasonable (for demographic reasons, reasons of historic precedence, and reasons of sheer corruption) to expect PA, WI, and IA to go Kerry, while NV, CO, AR, OH, WV, and FL go to Bush.
If all of this comes to pass, then we'll be facing a Bush-263 Kerry-264 tie in EC votes. Thus, it would all come down to big MO. Missouri, by the way, has voted for the winner in the previous 11 presidential elections (starting in 1960) -- the longest winning streak of any state in the union. But more important than that, while MO's EC votes went to Adlai Stevenson in 1956, that's the only time in the entire 20th century that MO didn't pick the winner -- 25-for-26 counting the 2000 election. That's why MO is the state to watch.
If Kerry can pick off any other states such as Florida, Arkansas, Nevada, West Virginia, and some or all of Colorado's EC votes, that'll just mean it's a blowout rather than a repeat of 2000.
You're welcome,
Those Bush girls (Jenna and Not Jenna) seem pretty dysfunctional to me. I suspect their dad messed with them when they were litttle.
susan
Far cry from a very poised Chelsea. Look, most of us came from the typically dysfunctional American family, but something more weirdly dysfunctional is going on there.
sorry, keanu, i wish it was that simple - I truly do, because the end game strategy would be a warzone in MO for the vote, and each camp has a heavy GOTV process to get underway
but ... there are tons of scenarios in which the MO vote can be marginalized in any number of EV scenarios
while it is always best to get MO in your column, there are going to be a couple of surprises in this election - we are already starting to see movement in VA (towards Kerry) and a heavy tightening of the race in NC and Arkansas -- so, the beat goes on I suppose
I don't undestand why so many guy think the twins are hot. I find them ugly as hell. Bush with tits. And it will only get worse with age.
Libertarian
Me neither. Like Mexican women and men. They're hot when they're in their mid-twenties, but go sharply downhill after that. I think it's the diet. Too much Tex-Mex cheese.
And isn't that supposed to be one of the more Democratic areas of MO?
InsultComicDog
Your'e spot on about your feelings, but that's just a general lack of kindness and humanity. St. louis has been found to be anywhere from the 4th to the 10th most segragated city in the nation, and in pockets, it's no Paradise.
Believe it or not, it really is a strong Kerry area with pockets of people buying the Bush fear or Bush "conservative wedge issues". Prior to this year, some people have followed the Repubs here because they thought it was best for the economy...ha. If you want to live like a Republican, Vote Democrat.
Now, the ones that are hanging on to Bush are either too stubborn to admit a mistake, really mean people watching thier own $88,000 dollar tax cut in the tradition of Cheney, or are plain stupid. By the way, that last category is huge nationwide!
the bushtits. they should start a band.
Those Bush girls (Jenna and Not Jenna) seem pretty dysfunctional to me. I suspect their dad messed with them when they were litttle.
susan
a kinda harsh conclusion -- i tend to look at jenna/not jenna as a downstream product of a priviliged upbringing -- like the kids of the idle rich who have no boundaries and no real world experience; call it being raised in a world of excess and double standard
If it's about catching people at home...when will they postpone polls due to unemployment? Or are they figuring the new homeless will counter that variable.
Put your money where your mouth is:
Nancy Farmer for U.S. Senate
3232 Laclede Station Road
St. Louis, MO 63143
(http://www.nancyfarmer.com/)
CNN.com - Hate in America - Sep 9, 2004
file this under hypocrisy -- bob nov-hack lecturing us on hate in american politics; if this wasn't so absurd I never would have linked it here
I have covered every national political convention since 1960 and never before encountered so unpleasant an atmosphere. Not even the infamous 1968 Democratic convention in Chicago approached last week's level of animosity.
The irrational loathing expressed daily on the Internet by passionate, though poorly informed, bloggers was transferred into the streets. While Sen. Zell Miller's old-fashioned stemwinder inside Madison Square Garden was upbraided by news media critics for being too harsh, they largely ignored the real hatred in the streets.
i tend to cut things evenly in my assessments, and it comes down to something this simple: maybe all the hate has something to do with the preznut? keep flaming the laws of religion and playing divide and conquer and you'll get enough resentment in time
Those Bush girls (Jenna and Not Jenna) seem pretty dysfunctional to me. I suspect their dad messed with them when they were little.
susan
"a kinda harsh conclusion..."
I was kidding!!
for sure, susan ... i wasn't going after your comment, just the numbnuts contingent who come in here from time to time
With the new revelations of Bush's pedophilia, you have to wonder if he abused his own daughters. He appears kinda creepy around them.
A man who would diddle his own daughters is sick. I'm all for NAMBLA but this is worong.
Kerry can still easily win Electoral College
Survey USA polls have Kerry leading in important swing states - Penn, Mich, Maine, Fla, Washington and Iowa
- he is tied in Colorado (a place he's supposed to have no chance in)
and he's within the margin of error 4% in MO, Ohio, NC(!), Arkansas, Virginia(!), Nevada(!), and TN -
So there are plenty of states on the table to bring about an Electoral College vicotry for the Dems -
There's more - The states that lean Bush do so heavily: Indiana 60-36 - KS 60-35 - KY 56-39 - Alabama 58-37 - TX 58-37 - SC 53-42 - OK 57-38 - AZ 53-41
- On average thats 18 + pts per state - Kerry has no such lead in the states that swing his way - Ill 13 pts - MD 11 pts - Cal 10 are tops - everything else is close - almost all within margin of error - so if Bush's national lead is only somewhere between 4 and 7 points then he's probably losing the electoral college and they don't want to talk about that -
Here's the link to the Survey USA poll - via kos - via Ruy Teixeira
http://surveyusa.com/
currentelec...ctionpolls.html
With the new revelations of Bush's pedophilia, you have to wonder if he abused his own daughters. He appears kinda creepy around them.
i agree, he's creepy around them. But he's creepy with everything in my view - even before the pedophile rumors
LipZit,
That link was the least user-friendly EC website I've seen all year.
Try these instead:
http://www.electoral-vote.com/
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/...ege%
20Table.htm
http://online.wsj.com/public/
res...leground04.html
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/
vote...s101_ecmap.html
You're welcome,
If CO passes the proportional Electoral College Vote and it would affect the national election result, count on the US Supreme Court overturning the initiative if CO would have gone all to Bush otherwise, and leaving it alone if CO would have gone all to Kerry otherwise. All for reasons completely grounded in Constitutional law. Of course.
The Republicans job now is to discourage Dem's from voting - and they're doing it with polls that say a Bush win is inevitable - it is not! That supposition is more BS from an administration that is busy setting world records for mendacities -
And speaking of BS, why when Kerry says this administration can't tell the truth does no one pick up on it?
- Why is it when Kerry attacks (as well he bloody should) Bush's record it's desperation?
It's not desperation and don't let the SCLM say it - It's campaigning and laying out the differences in how he's do things - After the dirtiest campaign in history Kerry has the duty to strike back now that the campaign is in the home stretch
And if you're arguing with someone and he says Kerry is all over the map regards Iraq - He's not! Point your friends and would-be converts to the speech Kerry gave Oct 9 2003 - He's a very consistent fellow - don't buy into any meme you don't believe - here's the link - go make converts - we're closer than it feels to being rid of the meanest and crookedest people since Nixon -
http://www.independentsforkerry....kerry-
iraq.html
As a denizen of a solidly Red State, I have decided to travel to some swing state and volunteer my time to do whatever. I can only do this the week preceding the election. Any suggestions where people like me could do the most good based on present indications?
"I agree, he's creepy around them. But he's creepy with everything in my view - even before the pedophile rumors..."
Rumors? Are you sure they are rumors? I have it on good authority that people signed affidavits.
Liars seem to stick together
You've just described the Bush administration and its lapdogs.
Congratulations!
here's another one -- a great map with some historical perspective with trending polling results
Bush or Kerry? What the polls say now, and an interactive map to test your own scenarios.
you have to bring some data to this analyis, but it's very interesting
Rumors? Are you sure they are rumors? I have it on good authority that people signed affidavits.
susan
if they signed affadavits, then I hope the right people have them and are prepared to use them; I have heard this story as well, and having daughters myself the very idea of this crap makes me want to puke
i can't imagine a father of any kind doing that type of shit -- i consider it immediate grounds for execution, in my view
What's starting to piss me off is that if there is a terrorist attack, it will probably happen in the big cities on the coasts. We have all these dumb ass bible thumping Bush lovers in the middle of the country deciding the election. Their boy king the chimp has his dick in a middle east hornets nest pissing off Bin Laden wanabees and the blue states are going to be the targets.
Couldn't agree more with Syntallic. It's just like that Max Cleland and all those (well founded) rumors that he was in favor of the terrorists. Makes my blood boil. But this pederasty thing, Jesus. How could such a disgusting pervert become President of the United States?
Read the numbers and rejoice, boys and girls.
Kerry is flailing - and failing.
The Bush campaign just keeps on rolling.
And that's a good thing, because :
It's time start focusing on how we can achieve victory over Islamic fascists who blow up trains and buses, tear down towers, chop off heads, and bayonet children. All the while, hijacking a great religion. Islamic fascists who *plainly* are trying to destroy us and our way of life.
Actually, it's past time. We have some catching up to do.
Kerry simply has proven he's not serious about this world-wide conflict of cultures. As imperfect as Bush is, he has shown that he is serious.
So let's put our energies into keeping America free and open, and laying these murdering terrorists to rest. The whole world will be better for it.
Zender
Unkle Karl has to be down to his last 10 cents. You are the dumbest troll in a I've read in a month.
i was waiting for a troll like Zender to show up with a stilted view of world events:
if you think Bobo is serious about terror what is he doing in iraq?
what is the chimp doing about the IRANIAN insurgent movement in iraq?
why does bobo allow our troops to stand down at the request of the Iraqi governing authority in fallujah?
why are we bogged down in afghanistan?
what about somalia?
what about improved border security policy and an immigration policy that reflects our security vision?
this isn't a serious policy in any shape or form, and the preznut is devoid of ideas
Oh, Incognito.... You just can't help yourself can you?
Try this old Mexican lady. Or this one. Or even this one.....
You may just be thinking of the effects poverty, ill health and hard work have on the human form generally...
In a poll taken earlier this week of 660 likely voters, 48 percent of those polled would vote for President Bush, 46 percent for John Kerry.
However, the results are quite different in a CNN/USA Today Gallup poll. Registered voters in Missouri favored President Bush at 55 percent and John Kerry at just 41 percent.
Someone please explain to me how it is that these two polls forecast a Kerry victory. I don't see it.
Unkle Karl has to be down to his last 10 cents.
not sure about 10 cents, but the rethugs are starting to get cornered and that's when they get dangerous and even more scandalous
kerry and the dnc have to step up the daily attacks and aim them at the "fortunate son" who has been out of touch since birth and can't relate to average people because of his life of excess -- play the nero card over and over and over again
the attack at the rethugs over the repealed assault gun ban is one of those steps; it's a nice wedge issue for most police officers and people living in cities
"Islamic fascists who blow up trains and buses, tear down towers, chop off heads, and bayonet children."
I -swear- i last read that meme in an analysis of English propaganda concerning Belgium in 1915. Not the Islamic fascist bit, but all the rest. Funny isn't it, that this stuff is never innovative? Let's see, the next wave should include the destruction of churches, violation of nuns, valiant working class youths saving the day.... Old, old playbook.
It's explained in the link. Gallup polled when they would get mostly Republicans. The Survey USA poll shows a dead tie, considering the 4% margin of error. MO is within our grasp, particularly since 75% of the undecideds usually break for the challenger when they cast their ballot. Voila!
Also,
Also,
Sweet jumping Jesus, another moron who's figured out how to:
carpet-bomb a mindset,
invade a religion,
take, hold and occupy a historical movement.
I'm waiting for the victory parade against a mass pychosis, when thoughts are led in chains down the canyons of Manhattan.
>Someone please explain to me how it is that these two polls forecast a Kerry victory. I don't see it.<
Thank You. Now everyone here is going to vote for GWB. When does the rapture start? I'm tired of paying my car payment.
Freeperland has boiled over they are so rabid. Smell that? Fear.
Davis, very poetic sentiment.
whichever troll feels safe with the election outcome and points to any battleground poll as definitive, I say go home and lay to sleep in your comfy bed
the election must be over then, right?
man, are you in for the surprise of your lifetime then. I work in a national company with folks in many of the battleground states, and a conservative company too
i am hearing kerry, kerry, kerry in every state except KS, TX, OK and IN - the grass roots in dem circles is working this go-round, and some of the states are MI, WI, OH, MO, NV, IL and AR (not scientific, but the word of mouth is Kerry over and over)
So if Kerry has an accident in no way related to the White House, is a succession set up?
dang, and I forgot to mention CA, which I did not have to do because it's 10-12 percent tilting for Kerry
You may just be thinking of the effects poverty, ill health and hard work have on the human form generally...
GWPDA | Email | Homepage | 09.11.04 - 3:27 pm | #
You ain't kiddin'. I grew up in a fairly poor part of the country (though Northeast Mississippi isn't as bad as the Delta or the central area as far as economic woes go), and that life beats the living shit out of you. Tying into the thread below about the Texas utility shell game, just trying to get by eats you from the inside out. In my own case, I know I've spent enough money on my beat-to-shit Mustang to buy a decent used car, but I can't afford $6000 at one. I can, however, afford to drop a hundred here and two hundred there on minor repairs.
When I went to college in Gainesville, Fla., I learned that UF was the school rich Florida kids go to, much like UGA is for Georgia kids. In a weird twist of fate, I wound up dating mostly girls who came from well-off families. Not by design, mind you; I just think they liked slumming with a crazy country boy who was living in co-op apartments. I'd meet their moms and it always struck me how good these fifty-plus-year-old women look. My pappaw was consider a handsome older gentlemen in our county, but even at his best he didn't look half as good as some of these girl's grandfathers.
Life's tough on poor folks, and the system is gamed so it's tougher than hell to just get by, much less get yourself out of that situation. The miles may be good ones overall, but the mileage definately shows.
whichever troll feels safe with the election outcome and points to any battleground poll as definitive, I say go home and lay to sleep in your comfy bed
the election must be over then, right?
-syntallic
We're gonna take Missouri.
-Atrios 1:25 PM
Stop calling Atrios a troll.
This is one of the most damning indictments against the Bushies:
The public face of Operation Ignore would be an antiterrorism task force led by Vice President Cheney. Its mandate: to pretend to develop a plan to counter domestic terrorist attacks. Bush announced the task force on May 8, 2001, and said that he himself would "periodically chair a meeting of the National Security Council to review these efforts." Bush never chaired such a meeting, though. Probably because Cheney's task force never actually met. Operation Ignore was in full swing.
Dickie, what were you doing instead?
We know georgie was on vacation 45% of the time pre-9/11. What were you doing?
wow, an anonymous troll .. i wish i could say i was surprised.
actually you are right -- the dems are going to take missouri this time and they may even pick off arkansas too
Don't believe the GOP spin about MO for a minute... An important point to remember is that DNC and Kerry-Edwards ad buys are not one and the same... plus who knows what those "shadowy" 527s will decide to do? The GOP would like you to believe that MO is a lost cause because of the decision of one of those various groups deciding to leave MO off their list of ad buys (for now). I guarantee you, MO is and will continue to be a battleground.
Just went to a MO DNC organizational meeting this morning. We are still in early the early stages folks, and we have over 300 volunteer team leaders in the St. Louis area alone! These are not just motivated voters, these are very very motivated voters... who are going to go out and find more motivated voters in the next 52 days.
There are so many people coming in for yard signs they can't keep them in stock! You literally have to call in ahead of time and try to "reserve" them.
Is the GOP also motivated here? Yup. Are they working hard? Yup.
But, MO is definitely a battleground, and will continue to be.
If you live in the St. Louis area and want to help out. Here is some useful info:
Maplewood (HQ)
3234 Laclede Station Rd
St. Louis, MO 63143
314-645-1449
South County
7321 Lindbergh, Suite 320
St. Louis, MO 63125
314-416-8250
Kirkwood
439 S. Kirkwood, Suite 205
St. Louis, MO 63122
314-821-3400
St. Louis City
300 S. Grand Blvd.
St. Louis, MO 63103
314-533-3245
Jefferson County
110 Main St.
Festus, MO 63028
636-933-9700
Wrong thread. Sorry.
with respect to Gen JC Christian, patriot
i say in memory of 9/11 we all observe seven minutes of silence to honor our Idiot in Chief
and now a musical tribute to our iraq policy courtesy of The The, a killer band:
Sweet Bird Of Truth lyrics
6 o'clock in the morning & i'm the last person in this plane
still awake
Y'know I can almost smell the blood washing against the shores,
Of this land that can't forget its past.
Oh the wind that carries this plane, is the wind of change,
heaven sent and hell bent!
over the mountain tops we go, just like all the other GI Joes
EE-AY-EE-AY----adios!
CHORUS
This is your captain calling--"with an urgent warning"
We're above the Gulf of Arabia--"our altitude is falling"
& I can't hold her up--"there's no time for thinking"
All hands on deck--"this bird is sinking"
Across the beaches and cranes, rivers and trains
all the money I've made--bodies I've maimed.
Time was when I seemed to know,
Just like any other GI Joe
Should I cry like a baby, or die like a man
While all the planets like wars start joining hands,
Oh what a heaven--what a hell!!
Y'know there's nothing can be done in the whole wide world.
I don't know whats wrong or right,
I'm just a regular guy, with bottled up insides,
I ain't ever been to church or believed in
Jesus Christ
but I'm praying that Gods with you when you die!!!
"I'm sorry I don't have any web sites I can direct people to regarding Bush's pedophilia. It would just help so much if the WH would go ahead and tell us what the 4 or 5 arrests were for..."
I saw those web sites with my own eyes. Now they have been scrubbed. Funny, eh!
Where is Four Legs Good? I am worried about his cat.
this sounds like conspiracy theory, but there are tons of links out there like this one:
George Bush, The CIA, Mind Control & Child Abuse : IMC Santiago
Re: the pedophilia comments.
As conservative mouthpiece Denis Miller once said, "If you ever feel need to abuse or harm children for whatever reason, it's time to put the revolver in your mouth, lean into the strike zone and take one for the team."
He was saying that about Michael Jackson about 10 years ago, but it's just as applicable today!
t's time start focusing on how we can achieve victory over Islamic fascists who blow up trains and buses, tear down towers, chop off heads, and bayonet children. All the while, hijacking a great religion. Islamic fascists who *plainly* are trying to destroy us and our way of life.
Actually, it's past time. We have some catching up to do.
Gosh, what the fuck have we been doing the past three years? Why aren't we where we should be? Could it be the failure at the top?
Sounds like it's time to clean house! Kerry all the way!!
Thanks for straightening us out, brownshirt!!!
Shouldn't we start calling it the Oral Office what with the Clenis and Bumper Bush Baby? At least the Clenis waited for the age of "informed consent".
Tena -- I am seeing the same thing in Houston (hell). Lots of people quietly have said they will be voting for Kerry. By way of my non-scientific anecdote, i was at the post-office and some good old boy stood behind my car for five minutes swearing at my Kerry-Edwards bumper sticker. When I got into the car, he was still screaming and swearing at me. (I waved and sent him kisses... I figure people that bitter need air-blown kisses) But then, I was on Westheimer heading for the beltway and some guy kept giving me the peace sign; I duly responded likewise, but then he drove in front of me and I realized he had the Kerry=Edwards sticker on his car too. The stories like this in Houston, where Poppy Bush lives, go on and on.
And the last time I checked, Kerry was within the statistical margin or error, tied with Bush for this county (48-50); Kerry is ahead in the city itself. We won't win Texas overall, but we can make the state increasingly competitive. More competitive means more external funding for Dem candidates.
The bonus point is that we can damned well make all those wingnuts crazy by voting for a northeaster liberal (and that's worth it).
NSF -- a earlier SUSA poll for California showed Bush trailing only by four points, however, the last SUSA poll shows a 10-point advantage for Kerry. So no worries.
As conservative mouthpiece Denis Miller once said, "If you ever feel need to abuse or harm children for whatever reason, it's time to put the revolver in your mouth, lean into the strike zone and take one for the team."
the big question I have is why do conservatives feel like the only place they can go is the GOP?
the GOP is so far to the right now that they are left of the democrats - the deficit and these nation-building exercises are all evidence to the issue
Delilah
I live in the heart of wacko republican CO (Arapahoe County). I have seen maybe three bush bumper stickers and one lonely yard sign. Very, very eerie given the politics of this area.
BTW, For those who don't know, here are 2 web sites that you don't want to miss.
http://badattitudes.com/MT/
http://jameswolcott.com/
I think, come Nov. 2nd, the media will be shocked, SHOCKED, I tell you when Kerry wins it in the El. Coll. And they will be that way because they did their damndest to play down his popularity by showing next to nothing of substance that he says.
That being said, I also think that the administration is well aware that Kerry went after BCCI and Reagan both and will damn sure be gunning for them and their criminal wrongdoing if he gets into office. A Kerry win would likely disgrace and destroy the entire Republican leadership (and possible put some in jail). For that reason, they will stop at nothing--including outright fraud--to prevent a Kerry win.
Don't take your eyes off them until the inauguration is over.
Synyallic -- kind of like the parent of a person found guilty of an awful crime but continues to "support" him/her, even though the abundant evidence made clear the degree of guilt?
delilah -- damn good analogy I suppose. Maybe I, being a conservative, have less loyalty to things GOP
but i am wondering if there aren't more closet conservatives-for-kerry out there this go-round -- and I mean A LOT more
Syntallic -- you know, my husband who is a reformed Republican is a conservative on fiscal matters and libertarian on social issues. He changed his registration to Democrat in 2000 (he just couldn't bring himself to vote for a moron). Since then, he has become a rabid ABB type because he is horrified at the GOP direction. I really don't know how many people are out there like you, my husband, several friends etc. We simply go by anecdotal evidence, I suppose.
http://jameswolcott.com/
susan
love the walcott take on kerry, because from my past exposure to kerry, the senator is not one to sit back in the home stretch -- he actually gets better when the race is close
the reference to William Hazlitt, "On the Spirit of Partisanship," is pure genius in digby:
They beat us in courage and in intellect, because we have nothing but the common good to sharpen our faculties or goad our will; they have no less an alternative in view than to be uncontrolled masters of mankind or to be hurled from high---
"To grinning scorn a sacrifice,
And endless infamy!"
They do not celebrate the triumphs of their enemies as their own: it is with them a more feeling disputation. They never give an inch of ground that they can keep; they keep all that they can get; they make no concessions that can redound to their own discredit; they assume all that makes for them; if they pause it is to gain time; if they offer terms it is to break them: they keep no faith with enemies: if you relax in your exertions, they persevere the more: if you make new efforts, they redouble theirs. While they give no quarter, you stand upon mere ceremony. While they are cutting your throat, or putting the gag in your mouth, you talk of nothing but liberality, freedom of inquiry, and douce humanité. Their object is to destroy you, your object is to spare them---to treat them according to your own fancied dignity. They have sense and spirit enough to take all advantages that will further their cause: you have pedantry and pusillanimity enough to undertake the defence of yours, in order to defeat it. It is the difference between the efficient and the inefficient; and this again resolves itself into the difference between a speculative proposition and a practical interest.
check out the complete piece in the attached:
Hullabaloo : this is what we're up against
Hazlitt was right. And never more than today when the stakes are so high.
As I said, we have been fighting this beast forever. Conservatives are just more inclined to fight and more serious about winning. But, I have seen the Republican agenda change from conservative to radical in the last 30 years and their candidates from steady, stolid leaders to firebrands and incompetents. America is the most powerful nation on earth. If the modern GOP boasted prudent, tested leadership and a simple desire to avoid radical change, I would still oppose them but I would not be worried. But, these people want to wildly experiment on a global scale and their track record of the last three years is devastating. History proves that bad things do sometimes happen. Being barely left standing to say "I told you so" will be no compensation.
Wasn't Gore 14 CNN points behind Bush just before the 2000 vote?
The DNC/Kerrion are a laugh. Desperate little twitches who suckle at Susan Estrich's engorged member. Yeah, be sure to go with the slanderous nonsense, ladies. Nobody's buying it because they know that a vote for Kerry is a vote for those who hate America.
Four more years, you rectal probes.
syntallic - that goes along with that old saying, "would you rather be right, or happy?"
Personally, I'd prefer to be both. Although I know that experience holds a dear school but a fool will learn in no other, the thought of being able to chastise my foolish fellow citizens should Bush get actually elected or allowed to steal the office again and inevitable catastrophe follows really pales in comparison to the havoc that would be wrecked upon those of us who are blameless in the process.
We have to do some serious asshole intervention in this election to make sure we don't find ourselves in that situation.
Wolcott simply sparkles. Here are two gems from his over flowing treasure chest.
"Watching Cheney in inaction, a snapshot phrase popped into my head: "broken-down sidekick.
That's what our vice president is, a broken-down sidekick ready for a lawn sale."
and
"This Sunday's Arts and Leisure section of the Times (Farts and Seizures, as it's known in the trade)"
http://jameswolcott.com.
i just hope you folks in the battleground states are doing everything you can to move the electorate to our column
i am in cali and the news out here is great for kerry -- he is actually gaining out here and the trends are looking up (possibly beyond a 10% lead)
I don't know about AWOL and pedophilia.
However, I am looking forward to Kitty Kelley's sexposé. She's never wrong, you know. Especially looking forward to accounts of fabulous backrubs...there's gotta be something in em, cause the Chimp made his masseur ambassador to Poland? Does the Pope approve?
Fabulous, just fabulous. The fantabulous Kitty's book is already what?...6 in amazon? I smell Pulitzer here. At the very least. To say nothing of NYT number 1 for weeks and weeks.
Four more years, you rectal probes.
Toby Petzold
wow .. you can actually formulate an opinion while so overtaken with hate? what is it gonna feel like when you have to admit that the preznut has been sucking for quite some time with the Ambassador to Poland?
a vote for bush is a vote for the destruction of a free and prosperous america .. plenty of conservatives like me have figured it all out by now ... we aren't to be taken for granted, by the radical right of the GOP
go back to your bombshelters and bunkers and ham radios -- and if you need some more ammo to blow your own brains out, I'm sure the enraged masses will cut you a check, you friggin little pinhead
"I don't know about AWOL and pedophilia..."
You don't? Lord, everyone else does! It's common knowledge.
Hey Toby, how's your boody buddy Adrian doing?
No it isn't common knowledge. If it's not in Kitty's book, it's not true.
MSNBC - Bush's Bounce Back: Bush's Bounce Back - As the presidential race heats up, the spread between the two campaigns narrows.
Here it comes -- momentum riding into the debates -- where I come from that's called "a perfect storm".
Four more years, you rectal probes.
It's your boy who is the rectal prober. How does it feel pulling for a pedophile? An AWOL pedophile.
On the other hand, susan, maybe you have the common knowledge details? Let's have them.
another great blog: Tom Watson -- President, Vice: Dick Cheney's main role in life is to push the shame envelope. He speaks sonoriously, in a seemingly mild baritone, and his words creep closer, closer, closer to that area we define as beyond the pale of American mainstream politics. Like a playing card castle, he stacks ace upon king upon jack of calumny, lies, and moral cowardice - higher and higher until he goes too far, the house collapses, and he picks up his playing cards and starts again. Cheney did this throughout the Iraq build-up, the invasion, and the aftermath. He will not give up linking 9/11 to Iraq and the mythical WMDs."
from Howard Dean, no less
"The Republicans have the best propaganda out there since Lenin, and they just make stuff up and they keep repeating it, and hope people are going to believe it."
SCLM update -
it burns me when i see a headline like on yahoo say "Bush Maintains Small Lead" after 2 weeks of ballyhooing Bush's "11 pt bounce"
wouldn't a "Kerry Narrows Gap" headline be more appropriate. rot rot rot in hell
syntallic -
Did Howard Dean get to utter those words in front of a tee vee camera? To a newspaper reporter? Where'd he say it? It's great!
susan? details?
Purely anecdotal so take it for what's worth. We just got back from two weeks in semi-rural PA. At the county fair I talked to the two ladies manning the Dems booth. They told me the county was very Repug, but that many Repugs were talking of either switching or sitting out the election. On the Friday before Labor Day, with the fair slated to run through LD, they were already out of buttons, bumper stickers, etc. And no balloons for the kiddies! We ate dinner facing the Repug booth and while we did see people stopping by, there were no lines and the stoppage was not steady.
In our travels we spotted only 3 or 4 (okay maybe 5) lawn signs for B/C. None for Kerry, but we did see 3 Kerry bumper stickers.
At dinner with neighbors, the conversation was very lackluster, until the son mentioned that he hated Bush and ticked off the many reasons why the chimpster in chief should be booted. Everyone at the table breathed a sigh of relief and the conversation really became animated.
My take on all this. Kerry in a landslide. While cinc's support is there in his base, a lot his supporters are unenthusiastic and may just decide to stay home rather than vote on Election Day. Meanwhile the Dems are on fire.
Personally, everyone I meet who claims to be undecided I grab and won't let them get away until I convince them of one or two reasons why they should oust the pretender. You'd be surprised how many people will vote with you just because they see how knowledgeable and determined you are, figuring that you must know something if you are so fired up. And I live in New York where it doesn't really matter since we are something like 80% pro Kerry!
I live in a red county outside of St. Louis. I've lived in MO for 34 of my 38 years, so I can tell you that, yes, there are Dems here, lots of them. People in my state tend to keep their political views to themselves. The Dems here are conservative Dems, not liberal. My county, unfortunately, is pretty red, but as an anecdote, I went to a large festival here a few weeks ago and there were K/E and B/C people passing out stickers, yard signs, etc. I walked around quite a bit and was surprised at the number of people wearing stickers and they seemed to be evenly divided. I knew that latest Gallup poll was an outlier and the more recent SurveyUSA that was cited earlier seems to be much more in line with other polls. One other anecdote, my father is 66 and has never voted in his life. He registered to vote last month and is voting for Kerry. My yard sign lasted a whole two days, the rat bastards. I'm having a hard time finding another one. But the next one will be anchored with bricks and covered with vasoline. Any other ideas on how to deter the thieves?
HOneyBun 4 President:
http://www.81x.com/GuitarRanger/
...Bun_4_President
The latest Time poll claims Bush is up by 11%.
It also claims Bush won the election of 2000 by 12%.
"Outlier" doesn't begin to explain this. The pollsters are either incompetent or corrupt.
Moral: don't get frustrated with the polls. Remember that there are people in positions of influence who are quite willing to use their influence to try to tilt things in Bush's favor. Don't get angry with them and don't argue with them. Discredit them. Aggressively.
blue in mo -
I just thought of a really nasty way. Instead of vaseline -- do you have a dog? Put on disposable gloves and smear dog-poo around the edges.
On the other hand, take my off-the-cuff suggestion with a grain of salt.
We got an anonymous note in the mail this week threatening our dog.
So maybe you shouldn't do this unless you DON'T have a dog, and just go to the park to get the biscuits.
To all you relentless information hounds out there:
The Bush twins performed 'Elvis white panty parties' when Prince Bandhar came to visit Crawford. Google Bandhar and Elvis. And if you want to know what 'Elvis white panty parties' are, google that too.
I won't sully my 'puter with links.
Desperate little twi--
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"On the other hand, susan, maybe you have the common knowledge details? Let's have them."
My goodness, they're as obvious as the noses on your face. The Bush girls are exhibit A and B: conclusive proof that their mentally disabled (among other things he is a DYSLEXIC!) dad has been messing with them. Plus, it IS common knowledge that Dubya is strangely attracted to little kids and goats. What more evidence do you need?
Did Howard Dean get to utter those words in front of a tee vee camera? To a newspaper reporter? Where'd he say it? It's great!
Kate
dunno where he said these comments, but the report was online, and his quote was just thrown in for effect
Rutland Herald
Dean blasts Bush at Brown - AP
Former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean addresses an audience on the campus of Brown University in Providence, R.I., Thursday. Dean, a former Democratic presidential hopeful, spoke about the presidential campaign and criticized policies of the Bush administration.
PROVIDENCE, R.I. — One-time Democratic presidential contender Howard Dean Thursday accused President George W. Bush of dishonesty that the former governor says has led to the deaths of 1,000 soldiers in Iraq.
"The president has said a lot of things that are untrue," Dean said in an interview before addressing a crowd of about 800 at Brown University.
"The Republicans have the best propaganda out there since Lenin, and they just make stuff up and they keep repeating it, and hope people are going to believe it," he told The Associated Press.
Dean also charged that Bush has "totally mismanaged" the military.
"I think that George Bush is certainly going to have a draft if he goes into a second term, and any young person that doesn't want to go to Iraq might think twice about voting for him," he said.
Where is Four Legs Good?
I love the enthusiasm about Kerry possibly winning all these battleground states, and I sincerely hope he does. However, my enthusiasm is tempered by the fact that Diebold, AccuVote, ES&S and other voting machine vendors will have their
Bushgeeks helping to tally the votes, since most of the election officials can't seem to figure out how to do it.
That is an important factor, because as most of you know, the totals are very vulnerable to tampering. Most of them use Microsoft Access to do it. If you haven't yet visited www.blackboxvoting.org/ take a minute to see what can happen, and think about voting absentee if your county is using electronic machines without paper receipts.
Another Show-Me State Anecdote:
My wife and I attended the St. Louis Arts Fair this afternoon in Clayton, Missouri. Saw lots of K/E buttons and numerous bumper stickers in the garages. Did not notice any B/C activity. Now, I realize the K/E supporters are more likely to support visual and performing arts, but just saying.
Another observation, I'm seeing K/E yard signs in places where you would not expect to see them given the neighborhood demographics.
My pessimism is going away and my passion is returning. Friends, it's time to go to work. Is there really any alternative? Let's keep our eyes on the prize.
BTW, please send more campaign materials to St. Louis.
The state that gave us that piece of shit, Rush Limbaugh, and that even bigger piece of shit, John Ashcroft?
Hmmmmm, don't know................
Rick:
I've come to the conclusion that Time and Newsweek are stodgy rags that cater to middle-class, white, rich Repugnicans, who are going to vote for DUMBya no matter what.
So when a magazine polls morons, they're going to say stupid shit!
Just as there is no evidence suggesting that Bush will run away with Missouri, there's not enough to say that Kerry will win for sure either. Looks too close to call.
Dammit, my conservative buddy from Missouri went offline. I wanted his input.
What is this "Bush is a pedophile" bullshit? Where's it coming from?
*sigh* Is this the type of shit that matters anymore? What about the issues?
Whoever is making these charges better have tons of compelling evidence, otherwise it will backfire big time. Look at the 1996 election to see what happened. The liberal base was inspired even more, and the moderate swing voters disgusted by the charges that they voted Clinton.
syntallic -
Thanks for the follow-up on Dean. Great speech.
To Zender@ 3:19 pm
Reductionism is one of our most powerful tools for understanding the world. It can also be one of the best routes to a profound misunderstanding of the world. Unfortunately, with your arguments you are demonstrating the latter.
If they moved the Iowa-Missouri border one county farther to the north, it would raise the collective I.Q. of both states.
The only Midwest joke I know.
In SW Missouri the big news is that Roy Blunt, majority whip, and Jim Newberry FINALLY squared off in a "candidates forum" yesterday at the Ozarks Press Association conference in Springfield MO.
It's a start, although it was a hasitly planned event that was engineered by Roy Blunt on Tuesday after he repeatedly turned down debates offered by Drury University and appeared to be trying to avoid the whole "debate" thingy altogether. Conveniently, it was not open to the public. Although, KY3 was allowed to televise it after protesting the original plan that was to not allow television cameras.
Here are links to news stories about the debate:
Springfield News-Leader:
http://springfield.news-leader.c...ffe-
177183.html
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Joplin Globe:
http://www.joplinglobe.com/story..._id=131100&
c=87
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KY3 TV:
http://www.ky3.com/newsdetailed....led.asp?
id=6708
This was only round one: the next debate is October 1st at SMSU.
i live right in the center of missouri. this is a very conservative state, but its history is democrat voting. i don't know what will happen this election, but i would like to point out what seems to be missed in the referenced poll: the people who are voting for bush are voting for bush. over half the people who are voting for kerry are not voting for kerry, they're voting against bush. that's not a real strong endorsement of kerry, now is it?
we don't have a candidate.
what the hell happened to the democrat party?
m: "i live right in the center of missouri. this is a very conservative state, but its history is democrat voting."
Missouri has voted for the winning presidential candidate 25 of the last 26 elections, and that includes Truman as well as Nixon as well as both Bushes. Put another way, with the exception of voting for Adlai Stevenson in 1956, Missouri has sent its Electoral College votes to the eventual winner every four years in the 20th century, including 1900 and 2000.
If you think this is and should be significant in any way, you should be watching Missouri above all others. With the slightest possibility of Wisconsin, Kerry shouldn't lose any states that Gore won in 2000. Thus, if Kerry wins every Gore 2000 state plus New Hampshire, which looks likely, he would still need one more state to win the election. Look to Missouri. If you've been tracking the state polls, you know that other possibilities are Colorado, Florida, Ohio, Arkansas, Arizona, and West Virginia. But Missouri has an amazingly winning track record for whatever bizarre reason.
Watch big MO.
You're welcome,
Congratualtions Newschannel 5, on mispelling the name of a major gubenatorial candidate.
5, 1 indeed
A state that votes 71% in favor of a constitutional amendment defining marriage as one man and one woman, which even a strong majority of the Democrats in the state legislature supported, is not going to go for a Democratic candidate for president. Especially not this one.
Toes: Of course you'll see K/E signs at the arts festival. Come out to Ballwin, Manchester, Oakville, Mehlville, Florissant, or St. Charles. There's a big difference farther out from the city.
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