I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Frist..lost?
digby's been hitting some homeruns lately
Look, we've lived in the greatest society that ever existed while we were growing up. To see it going down the tubes hurts all the more. But I think the sheeple are proving it's broken and the clock can't be turned back.
Change happens. Good or bad.
yeah, if digby posted more often I'd just retire.
For the Greeks, a Pyrhic victory was winning but having their docks on fire.
For Republicans, a Pyrhic victory is winning but having their Dockers on fire.
there's a rumour going around that the next round of dirty ads will be a set of ads by "doctors" aimed at lawyers like John Edwards
Unfortunately, it DOES matter, but in bushworld, nice guys do finish last, fucking shame!
Have faith. The course of history is long, but it bends toward justice....and November 2nd is about to introduce a bent motherfucking smackdown of massive proportion of the whining wingnut brigades
as I said below, this bears repeating.
I'd have to agree that to continue to discuss Jenna Bush's abortion that Jenna Bush recently had to get performed on herself, that is, the abortion that Jenna Bush got, well, to discuss that specific abortion of Jenna Bush's would be totally irresponsible of us to discuss Jenna Bush's abortion at this time.
please resume your current blog enjoyment, although I must remind you that the topic of Jenna Bush's recent abortion is totally out of line.
No it soesn't matter that we are not, if we are not perceived to be.
I persoanlly believe that we should sort out our "principles" once the election has been won.
4 more years will potententially do a generation's worth of damage. I do not want my son to grow up in a country that is perceived as the real "Evil Empire" by 80% of the world.
Thanks to shrub for ushering us into the 21st century, no more pussy, nice guy stuff...
The wacky right would love for all of us to climb into the gutter with them, it would justify their warped view of the world.
What the fuck IS wrong with Kansas
What the fuck IS wrong with Kansas
So, Digby and Atrios admit the "neocons" have won?
I love hearing White House spokespersons using the word "inauthentic." Are there any mirros in that building?
I love hearing White House spokespersons using the word "inauthentic." Are there any mirrors in that building?
I bought a typewriter today.
What the fuck IS wrong with Kansas
What is "the Wurlitzer"?
So, Digby and Atrios admit the "neocons" have won?
So, Digby and Atrios admit the "neocons" have won?
We have winner in the nonsequiter division!
Thanks. That was an depressing read. All the more so because it's true.
There's one little question nagging at my brain, however. This doc has a listing of Dubya's military career, typed up by the White House, I assume.
Why isn't his stint in Alabama listed?
/crickets chirping
Yeah, I thought so.
tow
nope usama, we are all taking our honorary seven minutes of silence repeatedly today in observance of the preznut's failure on 9/11
Well, someone woke up from his nap feeling a bit saucy.
So, Digby and Atrios admit the "neocons" have won?
Usamabinlazy | Email | Homepage | 09.11.04 - 8:01 pm | #
Nope. It's just recognizing where that nasty smell is coming from and just who's shittin' in the roses. Your "neocons", as it were.
I blame Michael Dobbs and the Washington Post for another false headline that helps Bush
funny how he could make a judgement on these documents (falsely it turns out) in less than 24 hours and without seeing the originals or even the copies on which CBS experts based their analysis and where is the apology and the retraction from the post as their experts turn out to be less than...
CBS joins Americans Smeared by Bush the fastest growing voting bloc in the US
Agree..this has been media brainwashing 101 and nore than 50 % of the world is asleep at the switch BECAUSE of the media's bias....only question I have is is where is Daschle and Gephardt and Lieberman and all the other "supposed" heavyweights" of the pussy willow democratic party in this whole "hate fest" ?
We celarly have a "one party system" in place and it's only going to get worse...
You atch..in 4 years, all the sheetheads that voted this criminal administration on for another 4 years will be calling for the head of the keymaster...
Kerry in my opinion just fuckin blew it...He had a chance but "said THE WRONG THINGS" and did not hit ONE hot button that would wake people up so may as well get used to another 4 years of neo con scandels...
I'll still vote for Kerry but may as well acept the fact that the likes of the Ape man Hannity and Fat ass Rush will rule the airwaves with hyperbolic propoganda for another four years...
We are witnessing history and are in a repeat of how Rome fell....may as well let the asswipe who put us in the situation take the blame...to be honest...if I were Kerry..I wouldn't want to inherit this clusterfugg we have right now...let the AWOL pissant drunk get the blame...
We have winner in the nonsequiter division!
def
No, .....we have a moron (you). I simply asked a question.
"What the fuck IS wrong with Kansas
tommy"
I'm reading Tom Frank's book, and apparently every fucking thing is wrong with Kansas.
I'd have to agree that to continue to discuss Jenna Bush's abortion that Jenna Bush recently had to get performed on herself, that is, the abortion that Jenna Bush got, well, to discuss that specific abortion of Jenna Bush's would be totally irresponsible of us to discuss Jenna Bush's abortion at this time.
In case anyone tries to discuss Jenna Bush's abortion on this thread, I wanted to pre-emptively warn everyone that Jenna Bush's abortion is off limits.
The Role of 3rd Parties in American Politics
In 1992, Ross Perot ran as an idependent on a platform of fiscal conservatism (balancing the budget) and social liberalism (he was pro-choice, among other things); in 1996, Bill Clinton ran for reelection on a platform of fiscal conservatism (balancing the budget) and social liberalism (he was pro-choice, among other things). One could thus say that Perot's movement took over the Democratic Party in the 1990s, at least policy wise.
With this in mind (and the many other other instances of this in my post) I'd say that third parties have played a major part in our political process, do today, and will continue to in the future. As long as they are able to tackle significant issues not previously handled by the two major parties (whether it was slavery in the 1850s-60s or balancing the budget in the 1990s or whatever else in the future) they will always be an integral part of America's political system.
more here
In Soviet Russia the kind of thing which is happening around Bush was referred to as a "Cult of Personality". We've never seen anything like that here, except possibly with Reagan. But Reagan had a little humility; Bush has none.
Sure does take up the news right after the conventions...
Hurricane's are great to cover news now that the Kobe trial
and Scott Peterson trial are no good for cover.
Hrm.. Hurricane control. What do YOU think?
http://www.bariumblues.com/storm.../
storm_fury.htm
* Odd there wasn't any terrorist chatter or threats during
the Republican Convention but there was during the Democratic
Conventions.
Ahh Rovie you are a genius...
Wait the Federal Reserve Bank is privatized!!!
George W. Bush is no Cincinnatus...
If you mean the rest of the rational world sees the US as the true "axis of evil", then yes the neo-cons have won.
If you mean that in the race to see who can be the most shameless lying hucksters scraping the slime off the bottom of the barrel, then yes the neo-cons have won.
Hey everybody, sundance channel has "unprecedented", about the 2000 election, I'm gonna settle in for this..
Andy, blame John effin Kerry.
He "reported" for duty at the DNC. Although after Vietnam, he stabbed the "brothers in arms" in the back. John effin Kerry fucked himself. I wasn't Rove, Bush, the neocons, nor anyone else. It WAS John effin Kerry who melted himself down.
I still ask one question, "Is the a time in the history of John effin Kerry that he has stuck with a position....ever? Instead of taking every side of every issue?
We are witnessing history and are in a repeat of how Rome fell....may as well let the asswipe who put us in the situation take the blame...to be honest...if I were Kerry..I wouldn't want to inherit this clusterfugg we have right now...let the AWOL pissant drunk get the blame...
Andy | Email | Homepage | 09.11.04 - 8:05 pm
it's call heavy lifting, andy ... this is what it takes to get an incumbent out of office no matter the level of government and the presidency is the hardest one to conquer - but we haven't yet hit the debates and the home stretch -- i see the panic in the GOP campaign and nothing less than hard work in the democratic column; what else does the GOP have? rumors of doctors against lawyers like Edwards? more vietnam era bullshit? as long as the dems stay in the game and fight their way forward, we will win this thing - people are turned out against iraq and the silent part of the electorate is just starting to tune into the events ... so for a bunch of people this is all brand new to them
Thanks for cheering me up, you guys.
"What the fuck IS wrong with Kansas
tommy"
Well, I think they were essentially a one trick band. Their melodies were hackneyed and trite, their songwriting pedestrian at best and usually simply elephantine, and their production values made the studio obsessiveness of thier musical followers Asia seem twee and amaturish.
But mostly, they just sucked.
Andy, blame John effin Kerry.
He "reported" for duty at the DNC. Although after Vietnam, he stabbed the "brothers in arms" in the back. John effin Kerry fucked himself. I wasn't Rove, Bush, the neocons, nor anyone else. It WAS John effin Kerry who melted himself down.
I still ask one question, "Is the a time in the history of John effin Kerry that he has stuck with a position....ever? Instead of taking every side of every issue?
"We've never seen anything like that here, except possibly with Reagan. But Reagan had a little humility; Bush has none."
No..we have NEVER seen anything like this in american history EVER....this is uncomaprable just like the stock market bubble of 2000 dwarfed the mania of 1929 yet Alan Greenspan "never saw it coming" but I schmuck like me did in 1999 ...this political situation is flat out a mind bomb done on the great unwashed...no one has a clue as to what is really happening...
In summation...we are sheep...Bleat!
kid, I thought you had a date...
Stabbed his comrades-in-arms in the back? I don't think Sen Kerry did anymore than the soldier who leaked the photos of Abu Graib stabbed his comrades-in-arms in the back.
Perhaps Usamabinlazy is scared by the truth? Freepers do tend to lie a lot when faced with the ugly truth of their ugly actions.
Hear, hear, Digby!
BTW: Digby was an early and important linker to The World's Shortest Blog.
We may not like it, but we have to be tough -- and part of that is forcing tough questions to be asked.
So Here: Ask George W. BushOne Simple Question and you'll get -- at last count -- $1852.62.
White House reporters won't do it.
Someone needs to.
In summation...we are sheep...Bleat!
Andy
If you believed the 60 min. II story, yes you are a part of the sheeple.
GOB,
now that was funny....
"Is the a time in the history of John effin Kerry that he has stuck with a position....ever? Instead of taking every side of every issue?
Still asking stupid rhetorical questions.
Get over yourself and get back to FR where your own "brothers in arms" will massage your ego.
I love usama for this one simple reason: never has one person ever been more the definition of self-humility.
I gotta love someone who can sit home and judge a veteran's actions without getting his panties dirty. gotta love an armchair fascist who hasn't got the balls to do anything but type out a couple of insults
and then he takes the "usama" name because he knows it will catch people's attention -- i have a feeling that usama loves bush because he, too, is a narcissist with a genuine rupert pupkin tendency -- if you have ever seen "The King of Comedy" it reminds me of usama -- so wanting to be noticed that he would risk anything to get his 15 minutes of attention
enjoy your idol, dubya, never has a flaming pedophile risen to such ranks!
I still ask one question...
And I still ask one question, but fortunately mine isn't one that's unanswerable due to pure, flat-out wingnut gooberishness. Here 'tis:
Just who are you voting for come November 2 and - this is important - why? I need a name, now, not just a random party (such as "Whoever the Libertarian/Constitutional/Other Random Party candidate is"). And if you say "Anyone but John effin' Kerry" I will personal put some very bad gris-gris on your doorstep.
You don't like John Kerry. We got that. Jesus, I've heard LPs cleaned with a sand-blaster that make more progress in reaching a destination than you.
Jonathan Singer
If you or that dipfuck at the Ward Report Blog blogwhore here one more fucking time, I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious
anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers!
I'm serious, dickweed, you make melanie over at a boob on the beltway look subtle. If anyone wanted to read your lame opinions, we would. Your constant whoring is annoying and yes, shrill, and not in a good way, either.
I am really sorry. I was about to say something about Jenna Bush's abortion and GW Bush's cocaine use and the abortion that he paid for and his sex with underage girls and then I realized that it would be wrong to mention Jenna Bush's abortion and George W. Bush's use of illegal drugs and Bush not taking his flight physical because he was on probation and he would have had to go to jail if he failed the drug test, and all kinds of things that it would just be wrong to mention, like George W. Bush using cocaine at Camp David and doing coke while he was supposed to be training with his national guard unit. But mentioning Jenna's abortion and all that other stuff would be wrong so I for one will certainly never mention it.
wonder if rove is taking notes; but then that assumes there are equivalent reporters doing their jobs in the u.s.:
Second Beslan reporter drugged
Nick Paton Walsh in Moscow
Saturday September 11, 2004
The Guardian
Concern over Russia's treatment of journalists covering the Beslan siege increased yesterday after a toxicologist revealed that traces of a tranquilliser had been found in a reporter who was arrested on her way to the school.
Nana Lezhava, from Georgia's independent Rustavi-2 TV station, described how she slept for 24 hours after drinking coffee in a holding cell. She had been accused of violating visa rules.
Gela Lezhava, the head of the oversight board at a Georgian drug research institute, told a news conference that urine samples taken from the reporter showed traces of tranquillisers. He said he suspected that the journalist was drugged by the Russian authorities.
The revelation came two days after the renowned Russian investigative reporter Anna Politkovskaya claimed she had been drugged while on a flight to Beslan from Moscow.
She said she became drowsy after taking tea on the plane and woke up in hospital, where a nurse told her she had been drugged, but that the records had been destroyed.
"If you believed the 60 min. II story, yes you are a part of the sheeple."
Spoken like a true goose steppin wing nut..
See what I mean ?
syntallic, you effin rule. The The quotes and Rupert Pupkin on the same afternoon. Killer.
THAT'S ENTERTAINMENT!
Colin Powell Powell in neo-con row
A furious row has broken out over claims in a new book that the US Secretary of State described neo-conservatives in the Bush administration as 'fucking crazies'.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/i.../international/
Although after Vietnam, he stabbed the "brothers in arms" in the back.
No he didn't. There are a lot of people alive today who would have died needlessly in Vietnam if Kerry hadn't helped get the US to change it's policy and leave.
A lille advice, if all you do is listen to the squeaky wheels, you'll get a thought scrambling headache.
[One of] Digby's greatest hits Wednesday, January 29, 2003
Lemmings
[Vonnegut] What has allowed so many PPs [pathological
personalities] to rise so high in corporations, and
now in government, is that they are so decisive.
Unlike normal people, they are never filled with
doubts, for the simple reason that they cannot care
what happens next. Simply can’t. Do this! Do that!
Mobilize the reserves! Privatize the public schools!
Attack Iraq! Cut health care! Tap everybody’s
telephone! Cut taxes on the rich! Build a
trillion-dollar missile shield! Fuck habeas corpus and
the Sierra Club and In These Times, and kiss my ass!
[Digby] This gets to one of the most frustrating
aspects of dealing with this administration. We keep
expecting that they will be held accountable for
lying, or breaking their promises or misrepresenting
their policies or any number of other things we can
file under the heading of WTF? But, because they are
moving so fast and with such focus we simply cannot
assess the damage before they are on to the next item.
They execute, they don’t plan. Their vision is a
laundry list. They do not reassess their policy goals,
ever, because they do not really have goals. They have
an itemized agenda. And, they just keep moving. Like
sharks. They don’t have regrets and they never
question. They have faith that whatever their team is
doing, it must be right and the most important thing
is to GET THE JOB DONE.
That’s why this administration is so irrational and
incompetent on every single level
These people are not natural leaders. They are natural
followers. Like lemmings, they are following their
instincts without knowing that they are all jumping
off the edge of a cliff. Unfortunately they are taking
us and the rest of the world with them.
i agree, we should never mention jenna's abortion to anyone
cervantes as balzac, bond as k,
need I remind you that I'd have to agree that to continue to discuss Jenna Bush's abortion that Jenna Bush recently had to get performed on herself, that is, the abortion that Jenna Bush got, well, to discuss that specific abortion of Jenna Bush's would be totally irresponsible of us to discuss Jenna Bush's abortion at this time.
please resume your current blog enjoyment, although I must remind you that the topic of Jenna Bush's recent abortion is totally out of line.
Stabbed his comrades-in-arms in the back? I don't think Sen Kerry did anymore than the soldier who leaked the photos of Abu Graib stabbed his comrades-in-arms in the back.
(Apples and oranges. I commend the actions of those who reported the Abu Graib hazing. Do you commend John effin Kerry for being a WAR CRIMINAL?)
Perhaps Usamabinlazy is scared by the truth? Freepers do tend to lie a lot when faced with the ugly truth of their ugly actions.
Tom -Daai Tou Laam
(The truth according to Dan Blather and CBS? move-on.org? Michael Moore? The only truth that is ugly, is that that slaps you back to reality.)
... the kind of thing which is happening around Bush was referred to as a "Cult of Personality". We've never seen anything like that here, except possibly with Reagan ...
Be sure to include two fundamentalist Christian demagogues - Robertson and Falwell (preceded by Baker and Swaggert). They're completely disconnected from the teachings of Jesus and represent full-on cults of personality. If anything, they're examples of the moneychangers he threw out of the temple.
See... usamabinlazy is scared of the truth. Wants people to trust the freepers and the radical right liars more than trusting their own eyes.
Either that or to come in to see their doctors to ensure that any free-minded Americans become well-adjusted to seeing what the radical right liars want them to see.
That's the true terrorism of the American people and media by the radical right liars. By the way, Bush stated that he was going to wait for the Survey Groups' Report on WMD in Iraq before commenting. The report is out and there are no WMD. Who'll be the first reporter to get Bush to comment and actually stick to his position that he'd accept the Survey Group's report?
Now's not the time for battle fatigue. Regardless of the results in November, the political power struggle in this country is going to have all the civility & decorum of a gazelle-haunch rugby grudge match between two packs of starving & rabid hyenas. I can feel my teeth growing longer and my jaw growing strong. My laugh is also getting louder, more hysterical and a hell of a lot more menacing.
Political forecast - Agressive front moving in. Morning patches of severed limbs followed larger crowds of freshly stumped wingnuts. Women calling request radio stations and dedicating Yellow Rose of Texas to George, YROT playing on a thousand boom boxes outside every function he hold between now and the end of his term.
Usama-
Where was John Kerry during the time he said he was in Cambodia?
GOB, righteous reference yourself to the famous Pulp Fiction stripmine of the Bible
rock on -- iconoclastic nirvana for sure
So, Digby and Atrios admit the "neocons" have won?
Usamabinlazy
neocon
\Ni"o*kon\, n. [Cf. Old Ger. schweinhunde. See Dickhead.]
Nebulous name for a variety of beliefs packaged together at random. Employed by people too fucking stupid to devise a coherent philosopy but who pretend to have one anyway.
[syn: racist, greedhead, egoist, Pharisee]
Hazing???? Maybe in your frat ... but repressed homosexuality goes hand in hand with cowardly little young repub white boys.
Jeepers H. Christmas, but the trolls are in never-neverland! I cannot believe my eyes sometime when I read the drivle they write.
Kerry has been a man of character and conviction his whole life and the Chimp has been a snotty worm living on the coat-tails of others who do the hard work.
Never doubt the power of denial.
Although after Vietnam, he stabbed the "brothers in arms" in the back.
No he didn't. There are a lot of people alive today who would have died needlessly in Vietnam if Kerry hadn't helped get the US to change it's policy and leave.
(Yes, he did. Just who the fuck got us INTO Vietnam? JFK. Who the fuck got us OUT of Vietnam? Nixon. John effin Kerry had NOTHING to do with US policy during the Vietnam War. You can thank Nixon for REDUCING casualties after taking office, something JFK AND LBJ didn't give a fuck about. Facts suck, huh?)
A lille advice, if all you do is listen to the squeaky wheels, you'll get a thought scrambling headache.
Bliekker
What the fuck is "lille"?
Speaking of squeaking wheels, I hear John effin Kerry again....
Whine Johnny effin Kerry, WHINE!
dunno about atrios and digby admitting to anything lately ... like I said earlier, digby's been hitting some homeruns lately, and atrios is stealing some bases
makes you wonder who's reading eschaton and hullabaloo because I see stuff show up in the news and comedy central the next day
Don't blow your tops, moonbats!
Bwaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
You morons are so easy to piss off.
It's going to be a long couple of months for John effin Kerry supporters! HA!
Although after Vietnam, he stabbed the "brothers in arms" in the back.
i dunno, but anyone who shows up in Nixon's enemies list is a friend of mine, and you, John Effin Kerry, are a friend of mine
Thinking about the *real* soldiers over in Afghanistan and Iraq, who are actually getting their asses shot at (unlike Coward Chimp) and you gotta love Kerry for having real guts. Something no Bush ever had.
WTF does this little rant have to do with anything?
Someone forged documents and fed them through a biased media outlet in an attempt to swing the election.
And you guys (yes, this means you personally, "atrios") try to defend the lie/smear/election stealing effort.
And then you snottily pretend to take the high ground?!?!?!
Amazing.
Usama-
Where was John Kerry during the time he said he was in Cambodia?
Swimming to Cambodia
Answered, goodbye.
Justice will not triumph in this country until we come up with a method to counter the rightwing propganda machine. From talk radio, to fundie pulpits, to Fox News, to corrupt mainstream media outlets there is a healthy and screaming array of people spewing lies and distortions into the ears of the ignorant. We need no more evidence of their success than recent polls: it is truly stunning that Dubya is getting more than 15 percent support. He is without a doubt the worst president in our modern history, with a record of malfeasance that would make the Mafia proud. That he is getting near 50 percent demonstrates how far we have to go if we are to save America from the clutches of fanatics.
We can whine and bitch all we want about the thorough corruption cable television and almost-as-bad behavior of mainstream outlets, but even if they suddenly see the light and begin doing their jobs we still won't be safe because the rightwing machine will still be there preaching the gospel of hate to receptive ears and ears that simply don't realize how they're beinglied to.
I see a lot of Democrats bemoaning the fact that most people do not agree with them, by claiming that the masses are stupid sheep for not seeing the Democratic light. But that's a bogus argument to cover the tracks of a political party that is completely incompetent.
If Democrats were so smart, they would be able to promote their own ideas, sell people into contributing into their version of society, let alone win elections. That Democrats can't do any of these things shows that its not the people that are stupid, it's you.
If the neocons win, what do they win?
The husk of a once great country.
With Walmarts as far as the eye can see...
and the sure and certain knowledge that the rest of the world is laughing at them.
I will not sink this haloscan board into a moral morass by committing apophasis and bringing up Bush's alleged pedophilia... WILL NOT! No one else better either, there is no proof Bush ever had homosexual sex with a new recruit on the Texas Air National Guard base. So shhhh...!
Thinking about the *real* soldiers over in Afghanistan and Iraq, who are actually getting their asses shot at (unlike Coward Chimp) and you gotta love Kerry for having real guts. Something no Bush ever had.
Usamabinlazy
Better monkey trolls please.
If John Kerry was a war criminal, as you accuse, then how was he hired as a prosecuter and subsequently elected to the US Senate a buncha times?
And while John Kerry was doing all that, might I remind you that George Dipshit Bush was self-admittedly drunk.
You guys are such assclowns. Willing to lose everything just to keep your ideology, which Bush doesn't even really share, in power. Total tools.
I'm gonna sign out for now, syntallic, you're in charge 'til I get back.
Actually, we had "advisors" in Vietnam "assisting" the French way back in the '50s. That was Ike's baby, I believe. Kennedy didn't get us into Vietnam so much as he failed to get us out before he got whacked. And Nixon didn't get us out so much as we got thrown out when, after way too many years and way too many lives, the war pigs had to put their dicks back in their pants because the war was finally and truly unwinnable.
And I still wanna know who you're voting for and why. You gotta have something going on in that two-stroke weed whacker engine of a brain of yours apart from a massive hatred for the Junior Senator from Massachusettes. Man... did he still your girlfriend or something?
usama... Kerry followed orders when he participated in "Free Fire Zones" in Vietnam. This makes him like the Air Force Pilots who drop bombs on civilian homes and weddings in Afghanistan and Fallujah. (And Kerry came back afterwards and spoke out against the parts of the war policy that made more enemies among the Vietnamese (actually assumed the people we were supposed to be liberating were the enemies, like in Iraq and Afghanistan.).
This makes him different than Bush, because Bush refused orders for him to report to see a doctor. (Talk about being a wimp. Bush is toooo skurrrred to see a doctor. The mean doctor might make him cry? Has anybody checked between the toes of Dubya for needle marks?)
And Bush understanding policy? Not in his cocaine-addled youth and not when he is supposedly sober.
Bush and the freepers only understand robbing America blind and holding a gun to its head to make sure it doesn't say anything to the authorities about the robbery.
Just who the fuck got us INTO Vietnam? JFK.
We started our involvement in Vietnam in the 50's, under Eisenhower. Man you really are dumb.
"Kerry has been a man of character and conviction his whole life and the Chimp has been a snotty worm living on the coat-tails of others who do the hard work."
But the media makes sure no one knows it....I told Tena before the right wing hate fest this would happen and it is....I hate to think of all the wated energy and work form those 400,000 who protested before the neocon purple heart bandaude brigade hit town...or Atrios's fine work going by the wayside, or Air America being a voice shoved aside, but it's happening...
and there ai't a damn thing you can do bout it unless those that live in housing projects or boxes under a viaduct get out there to vote...
The rich many rules this world and it's beyond control of the common people until they revolt which is what will happen...eventually...but there just isn't enough pissed off people to make that happen...
Everyone bemoans the "right wing propaganda machine", as if, followers of the right wing are mindless sheep. We aren't. We are smart, we work hard, and we stay focused and organized to achieve our goals. The left wing does none of those things. We offer a vision of an ownership society, the left wing offers "republican light".
40 years of Democratic rule did nothing to lift the world out of party. 20 years of Reaganomics has created a world where Indian villagers own cell phones and Chinese people can afford their own cars. Democratic state centralism may have put a man on the moon, but Republican capitalism put information everywhere and fundamentally changed the world.
Ahhhh...hat's back. Old sock, where have you been. Ya know, ya don't have to write "atrios" anymore; the A-man's outted himself. Name's Duncan Black, feel free to use that. Course, the rest of yer little screed shows you've got about two neurons to rub together, anyway, so maybe I'm asking a bit much of you.
Why are you idiots responding to Usamabinlazy? I mean, learn a lesson every once and while, would you?
Islam is rising
The Christians mobilising
The world is on its elbows and knees
It's forgotten the message and worships the creeds
It's war, she cried, It's war, she cried, this is war
Drop your possessions, all you simple folk
You will fight them on the beaches in your underclothes
You will thank the good lord for raising the union jack
You'll watch the ships out of harbour
and the bodies come floating back
Well, frankly, the more I see it, the more I'm convinced that the only thing that will really matter at the end of the year is who will have stocked guns and ammo at home.
Jonathan Singer If you or that dipfuck at the Ward Report Blog blogwhore here one more fucking time,
Says the guy who has spammed the threads today with a repeated post.
Should be needless to say, though I'll say it anyway, GOB doesn't speak for everyone here.
Usamabinlazy/ether/thug/gb/ on and on.
This troll has been writing ths same tired shit for months. Can we please ignore him?
Fuck You Losers,
I look to the right o this website and I see y'all pouring $77,654.98 dowen a losing hole.
Bush/Cheney will get reelected and we (Republicans) will increase our lead in the House and Senate.
Enjoy 4 more years!
hey, can we get a thread on literature or science? They're always troll proof.
A thoughtful piece is posted up at ZNet right now about the "Kerry Meltdown". I don't know how to do a tinyurl (yet) but here's the link to copy and paste: http://www.zmag.org/content/show...=87&
ItemID=6201
This piece explains, to me at least, why Kerry's campaign seems to be sandbagging itself.
The statement that vietnam began under Eisenhower is a total lie
The historical record shows clearly that Eisenhower not only thought Viet Nam was stupid for Americans, he also thought that Viet Nam was stupid for the French. Eisenhower REFUSED to supply the French with nuclear weapons to fight the Viet Namese. Eisenhower REFUSED to send US forces to help the French surrounded at Diem Bien Phu. So you can blame the birth of French animosity towards the US on Ike, but not Viet Nam.
stork:
You're right about the ineptitude of the Democrats, but that isn't the biggest issue we face. There is no way to view the Rethug convention, hear the remarkable rate of hate and lies and dissembling that came off that stage, and see the near psychotic and jubliant reception the rhetoric received, and then map out some strategy by which the Democrats can sell their programs to those people. The rightwingers have been out there for over 30 years selling their lies,a nd no single campaign is going to overcome that advantage.
Must be good Kool-Aide, dork, er, stork. Usama your supplier?
Why are you idiots responding to Usamabinlazy? I mean, learn a lesson every once and while, would you?
Deerhoof | Email | Homepage | 09.11.04 - 8:32 pm | #
*Shrug*...slow Saturday night. Besides, it does the ego good to shoot at the slow targets from time to time. However, this stork cut-and-paste character...well, that'd just be downright cruel.
Backslider,
Good point. Duncan Black is *new* information.
i actually enjoy usama's pathetic rumblings because it reminds one of the utter failure of our education system that produces such closet Rush Limbaugh fiends
i already know that rush is the sunny face of fascism; what is your excuse, usama?
just like an osama video that pops up from time to time, we can expect our "usama" to piss on himself from time to time
stork,
You are incorrect.
Oh, hell...seconds on the science/literature thread. The Blue Sperm character's here. Giving this boy access to a typewriter is like giving LSD to a four year old. It's too uncomfortable to watch to be funny and flat-out nothing's gonna make a lick of sense.
The great irony is that Democrats, are against globalism and free trade. Democrats always talk in terms of rich and poor and how the rich should give to the poor, and how jobs should be decided based on seniority and need and not merit, but are quite willing to oppose the creation of a chinese middle class via free trade with the US. Is the US hurting because of this process, to some degree yes, but, from a world perspective, isn't the world overall richer than it has ever been? Haven't we learned that turning off the spigots to trade is what starts wars? If Democrats are so concerned about the state of the US in the world, then why would they shut off the spigots of trade?
I don't know how you people can sit around making jokes about Jenna's abortion while poor Barabara Olson is sucking giant black dicks in Hell.
Photo caption contest.
" I wonder if I can blame this fart on that little girl"
Our trolling friends are just tetchy because we were right all along about the documents being genuine.
Plus my very own special admirer's behind the scenes attempts at haXoRi|\|g were laughable predictable and impotent...
They're just going through some hard times at the moment, so let's all show them some liberal sympathy, hmm?
"Everyone bemoans the "right wing propaganda machine", as if, followers of the right wing are mindless sheep. We aren't. We are smart, we work hard, and we stay focused and organized to achieve our goals. The left wing does none of those things. We offer a vision of an ownership society, the left wing offers "republican light"
I agree with the republican light but the rest of your comments are full of shit...there are millions of people out of work collecting .75 % interest on their fixed income paying increased health care costs using their house as an ATM fucked by this admistrations whacked out views of prosperity,,,
maybe you arew one of the lucky ones and I myself "for the time being" am but if you are looking forward, the neo con ideals are so fucked up it can't help but end in civil unreast at some point in the future...
Your "guy" will probably win, but his "ideals" are going to get shoved so far up your ass the next four years you won't know what hit you..
He doesn't reperesent me nor what I beleive in...never...
And yes...you are a sheep...
So usama, hat, and Blue Sperm are one and the same.
Busy boy.
Its all useless. Sadly, we are are witness to the ending of the great American experiment. It is over folks.
losing barbara olson in the crash was about as heart-wrenching as losing goebbels at the end of WWII
Backslider,
Good point. Duncan Black is *new* information.
NYMary | Email | Homepage | 09.11.04 - 8:36 pm | #
Didn't it happen back during the Democratic Convention? That's been a month. No excuses. Hell, if he was able to read the last fax on the "Amazing Unkearned Memos of Doom" from Wingnut University, he should be hip to the A-Man's no-longer-secret identity.
Nope. Sad fact is our boy hat's dumber than a beagle on opium.
Ivor,
We Republicans and our free enterprise arguments were the distinct minority in the early 1970s. But we stuck to our guns and our message, and in doing so have witnessed the world make good on the promise of free trade in a way that no socialist revolution ever could have. The moral of the story is that we did not seek to do what we wanted to because we thought we could win, we knew we would lose, over and over again, and we did. But we kept at it, because we thought it was right, and, for that reason, our "stubbornness" that your side routinely mocks is what keeps us winning. Its your attitudes that need to change, not ours.
Andy, the
Worst. President Ever
is not going to get another four years.
Thanks for playing.
When I read that news story about Nixon and Kissinger talking about how we couldn't win in Vietnam, but we had to stay because they would be hurt politically, it just comfirmed everything I have ever felt about Kerry's testimony. Somebody had to tell the truth--it was Kerry. Somebody alway has to pay for telling the truth. It sure wasn't going to be Dick or Henry. Kerry's still paying, but I tell you--I remeber that testimony. I cheered my television set that day. Somebody finally told the truth. Kerry's had huge cred with me ever since, even if he's not the most astute politician on the block.
anyone check out that picture of Ted Olson with the preznut today?
He starting to look like gilligan after years of absinthe abuse
"we knew we would lose, over and over again"
But alas not often enough. Or at least, not definitively enough, last time.
Usama, Blue, stork, etc. All you cheerleaders for Georgie Cheerleader, One last "Chimpo Akbar" then:
Take one pompom, shove it down your throat.
Take other pompom, shove it up your ass.
Hey! You have both hands free!
Now, strangle yourselves, because you ain't going to able to stand the humiliation on the morning of Nov. 3rd.
Thanks
T.K. | Email | Homepage | 09.11.04 - 8:40 pm | #
The name stealing troll (our beloved friend, hat) is working overtime.
Because of the Bushies, he probably won't get paid for it.
Sad.
Its all useless.
Sure. Everything is pointless. Stop resisting. Do not work for change.
Your best effort should be expended on accepting the defeat that is your due, given the regime's obvious and inevitable path to glory.
Best to give up this very second.
"we knew we would lose, over and over again"
But alas not often enough. Or at least, not definitively enough, last time.
syntallic, you can make absinthe out of coconuts?
Criminy, does anyone else hear Wagnerian strains and synth-produced heavenly choirs while reading stork's excerpts from The Holy Book Of Conservatism? It's like reading a high school filmstrip on the steel industry.
>you can make absinthe out of coconuts?
wormy coconuts.
Pie...yes he will ...and he will be impeached...
aWol is such a likeable guy, kindda like Ted Bundy, you know, a sociopath.
Bring back Rep Robert Wexler he can scream with best of the nutty right.
We have screamers bring them out
let the dawgs out...
I really hate to use esoteric language, but sometimes the oldies are the goodies:
Martin Buber:
Seeing the prosperity of the wicked daily and hearing their braggart speech has brought him very near to the abyss of despairing unbelief, of the inability to believe any more in a living God active in life. ..Their relation to the world of their fellow-men is arrogance and cunning, craftiness and exploitation. But their life was 'set in slippery places' it was so arranged as to slide into the knowledge of their own nothingness. Their life has been a shadow structure in a dream of God's. To overcome that, eveything in the nature of inclinations, of indolence of habits, of fondness of possiblities which have been swashbuckling within us must be overcome, not by elimination, but by suppression, for genuine wholeness can never be achieved without that. (I hope he means direction of political parties, because I'm not quitting smoking!)
Without keeping to the one direction, man has the life of the soul, the life of the spirit, in all fruitfulness and status - existence there is none for him without it.
Hey, has everyone else heard about Jenkins turning himself in? I'm kind of curious to see how the issue of desertion is dealt with, given how close to home it hits with the current administration.
Though based on this quote:
"Video footage provided by the army showed that Jenkins later changed into a short-sleeved army uniform and signed some paperwork for standard in-processing back on to active duty while his military defense counsel, Capt. James Culp, looked on."
I suspect he'll be redeployed to Iraq as soon as the ink on the paperwork dries.
>It's like reading a high school filmstrip on the steel industry.
hey, but backslider....people in India have cellphones!
It does matter. What is all too obvious is that our press has been deeply punked and they like it.
Absinthe (Bluehouse Recipe)
1.5 oz Wormwood
1/3 oz Hyssop
1/3 oz Calamus Root
1/8 oz Fennel Seed
1 tsp Mint *
1 tsp cloves *
1 tsp coriander *
1/2 tsp Nutmeg *
(oz measurements are by weight, not liquid volume!)
First, Grind the Fennel Seeds, Coriander, and Cloves with a mortar and pestle.
Mix with the rest of the dry ingredients (wormwood, hyssop, calamus, and mint) and pour them into an airtight container. Mix with a bottle of Everclear (750ml, 190 proof). Actually, if you want to end up with a full 750ml of Absinthe, you'll need to use about 1000ml of everclear in order to compensate for the alcohol that is irrevocably lost to absorption by the mash. You should allow mix to steep for at least two weeks, but I usually allow for 1-2 months. This is most likely overkill, but I don’t drink absinthe on a regular basis so I’m not generally in a big hurry to finish my next batch. And since it generally only drink 3-6 shots in a night, a bottle will last for quite some time.
KERRY IN A LANDSLIDE!
We started our involvement in Vietnam in the 50's, under Eisenhower. Man you really are dumb.
Bliekker
True, yet who committed the "regular GI into the mix in Vietnam? JFK. Who sent more troops to Vietnam? JFK and LBJ. Under what administration did we lose the most troops? JFK and LBJ.
An analogy, who was it who wanted regime change in Iraq? Bill Clinton and the Iraq Freedom Act of 1998. Which, John effin Kerry was FOR back then...
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahaha!
My knowledge of American history is a might fuzzy, but as I recall, heads rolled after Pearl Harbor. Jobs were lost, careers wrecked, responsibility assessed.
Even as we went to war against the aggressor.
Families of the victims of 9/11 in New York are reportedly angry with the "whitewash" of the 9/11 Commission, precisely because no one was held accountable. And it's a fair question: is the entire Bush Administration simply not responsible? Was 9/11 an "act of God," as the law says, for which no one has blame? Was it a hurricane that hit New York and the Pentagon, and drove a 4th plane into the ground? A tornado?
Or an act of human beings.
Richard Clarke was openly mocked for taking responsibility for the crimes of that day. Such is the moral stature of our "leaders."
But morals, as Aristotle understood, are just community standards. Either we uphold them, or we don't. Richard Clarke was mocked, and the decent people of this country did not tell the mockers: "At long last, sir, have you no shame?" We didn't turn our backs on them, we didn't shun them, we didn't spurn them.
Instead, to speak up about what George W. Bush has done in office, is to be called a "Bush-basher." And any evidence of his perfidy is assaulted at once, and dismissed by even those apparently committed to the cause of justice (I'm looking straight at the spinelessness of Josh Marshall and Kevin Drum right now, and yes, I mean the Killian memos).
What is wrong with us? Not just the people who support Bush, but the ones who think they are "objective"? Even those of us here, who bitch and moan and complain and argue and point out the error after error, lie after lie? Are we all simply determined to sink to the lowest common denominator, to say that might=right, and power is the only cause worth fighting for? That when it's a question of power or justice, only power can assure justice?
Are we the people inspired by Ghandi, and Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.? Or by Stalin?
So usama, hat, and Blue Sperm are one and the same.
Busy boy.
pie
Liar.
No, Andy. He won't.
He will ride his horse (nope, doesn't ride)...
his segway (doubtful)...
his mountain bike (best not mention that)...
How will he get into the sunset?
"KERRY IN A LANDSLIDE!"
Yahoo to 1000....
Landslide!? Is *that* the terrorist attack that Kerry is going to unleash on the U.S. if I vote for him?
I mean, if Cheney said it, it must be true. He's part fucking cyborg - no human can live through 4 heart attacks. He's half-synthetic. He's like the Terminator - "vote for me iff you vant to liff."
hey, but backslider....people in India have cellphones!
Nancy Richardson | Email | Homepage | 09.11.04 - 8:49 pm | #
Christ, hasn't the Western World been cruel enough to those people? Hey, Invisible Handers: "progress" isn't made because a few people in one country have some extra toys when the rest are starving, okay? Shit...it's like saying a country's cutting edge because they have flush toilets.
And y'all don't fuck with absinthe. Shit will turn you blind. I've have some of the world's nastiest bathtub gin, radiator moonshine and home-brewed beer, but no liquor ever rattled my cage like absinthe did. Damn goth assholes.
usama and hat,
Spewing hate and vitriol.
Too stupid to live.
Mollusks have no circulatory system.
Anonymous
Hand on belly explained
We started our involvement in Vietnam in the 50's, under Eisenhower. Man you really are dumb.
Bliekker
Bliekker is absolutely correct; we even offered the French two nukes to take care of the problem.
If you've ever seen the documentary, "hearts and minds," it's on film with one of the French diplomats who was there.
but according to retards like usama, they were french which is why we had to go into Vietnam
stork obviously doesn't know shit about free trade policy or the Chinese middle class. Bush and the freepers don't favour free trade. Bush and the freepers have been pushing trade sanctions on Chinese TVs and furniture and clothes as fast as his little free-trade hating bones can pander to poor workers in Ohio and the South.
And for those of us who live in the HK SAR of the People's Republic of China. Today is LegCo election day. Get out and vote, preferably pan-democratic.
KERRY IN A LANDSLIDE!
That's Right, Landslide!
You forgot to add one word, buried.
KERRY BURIED IN A LANDSLIDE!
Look, I'm not a fan of CBS. But it appears they do HAVE adequate proof the docs are real. The issue here is being so missed it almost gurantees that some action on the part of rove & Co. and big media have succeeded in accomplishing this.
They KNOW the documents are real. Yet they also know they can sustain a 3 or 4 day news cycle on them being ALLEGEDLY fake that they have won. Drop the fucking document bullshit. EVERYONE KNOWS they are real because history backs them up.
Georgie DID NOT take that physical. Notice how they are NOT denying this. The letters don't show that he never showed up. HIS FUCKING PAYSTUBS DO THAT! These letters only show us the state of mind that the Chimperor-to-be WAS IN at the time, only clarifying his character, or as we all know, lack-thereof.
This is ALL about character and NOT about Vietnam because the repugs KNOW the documents are real and only serve to destroy the seemingly granite image of Fearless Leader (at least in the White House and on the set of FoxNews)
By claiming the documents are a fake, EVEN IF that claim is a fraud itself (since as I mentioned, FACTS back up the BASIS behind the documents if not the actual events DESCRIBED in the document) Rove has STILL one.
Kerry and Edwards have done well to let the media play this out but not by much. Bush has fucked up the nation and a majority of Americans DO SEE THIS. Approval ratings are STILL below 50% in some polls.
They KNOW he's fucked up but they are so distracted by RoveCo's mis-direction they can't focus on the fact that they are LESS SAFER, 1100 Americans are dead that should not have been, the economy is doing well (if you're a CEO) but not well if you're not and you're paying DOUBLE at the pump than you did 4 years ago and you can't travel overseas.
Get the FUCK BACK ON MESSAGE.
THEY LOSE ON THAT!
Liar.
Coming from you, that's so amusing.
People who live in glass houses...
Usamabinlazy,
Dude, I asked you a question. Who are you voting for and why? It's obvious that civility is beyond your grasp, as is logical thought, but it is a fairly simple question.
Give us a name and a reason, bubba. I'm genuinely curious.
I was feeling a little down....
and these trolls just lifted me up, and back into GOTV mode.
Thanks little fellas, I needed that.
What is all too obvious is that our press has been deeply punked and they like it.
But this can come as a surprise to no one who has been paying attention.
Some people have been saying for years that the Democratic challenger will have to unseat the boy king DESPITE the media.
The chumps are the same institutionalized fucking chumps they've been for years.
I am sick unto fucking death of people being surprised by the behavior of the media and the outrages aplenty during this political campaign.
Jay-zus!
Get the FUCK BACK ON MESSAGE.
THEY LOSE ON THAT!
Jack
Yes Jack, back on message. Except for one minor detail;
Man named in Bush memo left Guard before document was written
AUSTIN, Texas - (KRT) - The man named in a disputed memo as exerting pressure to "sugar coat" President Bush's military record left the Texas Air National Guard a year and a half before the memo was supposedly written, his own service record shows.
An order obtained by The Dallas Morning News shows that Col. Walter "Buck" Staudt was honorably discharged on March 1, 1972. CBS News reported this week that a memo in which Staudt was described as interfering with officers' negative evaluations of Bush's service, was dated Aug. 18, 1973.
That added to mounting questions about the authenticity of documents that seem to suggest Bush sought special favors and did not fulfill his service.
Staudt, who lives in New Braunfels, Texas, did not return calls seeking comment. His discharge paper was among a packet of documents obtained by The Dallas Morning News from official sources during 1999 research into Bush's Guard record.
.........
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thes...004/
9633814.htm
Moonbats.
Kevin Drum has better trolls.
"Let me be clear, the vote I will give to the President is for one reason and one reason only: To disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction, if we cannot accomplish that objective through new, tough weapons inspections in joint concert with our allies.
In giving the President this authority, I expect him to fulfill the commitments he has made to the American people in recent days--to work with the United Nations Security Council to adopt a new resolution setting out tough and immediate inspection requirements, and to act with our allies at our side if we have to disarm Saddam Hussein by force. If he fails to do so, I will be among the first to speak out."
John Kerry, ON THE SENATE FLOOR
October 9, 2002
stork and blue sperm,
Just dick sucking thugs for Bush.
Too stupid to live.
and these trolls just lifted me up, and back into GOTV mode.
Thanks little fellas, I needed that.
Nancy Richardson
I couldn't agree more -- i have many converts already because I am a recognized conservative going for kerry
give me ten minutes with an uninformed bobo voter and I have them in our camp when you confront them with the facts
Wasn't it great when we just had the Commies to fight? Man, those were the days...
Andy | Email | Homepage | 09.11.04 - 8:53 pm | #
Forgot to change your screen name, dude.
So...if you're supporting Bush, would the revelation of forged memo work lessen the impact of him ducking his physical? I mean, that's not involved in this dispute at all.
And I still want a "Moonbat" t-shirt.
Dude, I asked you a question. Who are you voting for and why?
No answer = not old enough to vote.
Heads didn't roll at Pearl Harbor. The local commanders were sacked, Kimmel and Short, but, the big questions were never asked. And there were some doozies:
a) Why was the US Navy positioned so foward without adequate air cover.
b) Why didn't the Roosevelt Administration, knowing that the talks with the Japanese were doomed, put the Navy on a wartime footing?
The bottom line is that Roosevelt manipulated the US into getting into World War II, but history shows he was right to do so. So yes, Franky egged the Japanese on into Pearl Harbor and probably knew about it, but the Japanese were being real assholes in China and we HAD to stop them.
Pie, you never answered the question in the other thread; What are you basing your accusations upon...?
Because Blue Sperm and Usama almost certainly are the same person (their style is identical), but "hat" you should know full well obviously isn't. Hat always posts once, under his own name, to make a personal insult against Atrios, and never checks the thread again.
Let's be frank, shall we? It appears quite often that the name "Pie" is making deliberately over inflated, even ridiculous claims of troll identitification; so much so that it leads to suspicion that it's simply AM, with his pie-hole obsession, trying to discredit you: If he can't hide from seasoned troll watchers, he'll discredit the effectiveness of the troll alarm by ringing it as many times as possible.
So put my mind at rest "Pie", and do explain why you linked the mordant, pathetic "hat" in with the violent and over-inflated ego of Usama/Blue Sperm...
(I've also been suspicious of "Woot"'s claims too recently, with both a non-existant proof, and a clearly invalid IP address match, so it's not just you, "pie")
So, just put my mind to rest here, what makes you so sure
Give us a name and a reason, bubba. I'm genuinely curious.
Backslider
Who I vote for is my business.
I will tell you I would never vote for John effin Kerry.
Although, I have admitted to listening to John Edwards message during the democratic runoff and debates. He was the ONLY ONE who had a message. The other eight only bashed Bush. Like John effin Kerry keeps doing. Oh and talking about how he is a Vietnam Vet.
WE FUCKING KNOW YOU ARE, JOHN EFFIN KERRY, WE KNOW!
Actually that should be "The Truth Buried In A Landslide of Freeper Bullshit"
Freepers think of themselves as smart. They are so smart that Bush convinced them the Nigerian forgeries were the real deal. They believed that there were WMD in Iraq. They believed that Saddam was an imminent threat to the United States.
These are also the guys who tell foreign governments trying to convict real terrorists, like Germany and Indonesia, that our friends can bugger off when trying to get access to information in US hands. This means that real terrorists go free because the Bush administration is weak on terror.
Yes, Bush and the freepers stay focussed and on message. They try to bury the truth under a landslide of bullshit (like releasing bad numbers when no one is looking or stopping the collection completely of embarrasing numbers or going to the Supreme Court to keep our illegally-held prisoners' voices from getting off of Bush's message.)
What did conscientious Germans do in 1932 Germany?
in many ways, kerry is a far easier sell than clinton was in 1992 - who ever quoted kerry from October 9, 2002 - that is one of the facts that needs to be pushed
the senator is on record having said it just the way you put it
it gives him room to open the iraqi debate
i also say it gives the democrats more ammunition for tightening the restrictions found in the war powers act
Usamabinlazy = Gourdhead.
As far as Bush and the national guard memos go, it's a non-issue. Bush already has proven himself a capable commander in chief as he's taken out much of the Taliban and Saddam.
"KERRY IN A LANDSLIDE!"
Is he okay?!?!
Usama stole my joke, though, which is too bad, since I thought it was a good one... Usama, just cause I've always wondered, what's the etymology of "moonbat"? Does it have to do with Kucinich? Where did it come from? As it stands it's not a very effective, uh, insult because we have no idea what it pertains to so we're not offended or put out by it. Sort of like if I called you a "pulpo del sol," which means sun octopus... How could you be upset?
syntallic, out of curiosity, what is it about Bush that most bothers you? I ask because I have conservative friends and a very conservative brother who hate him, and it's become a kind of hobby collecting the reasons conservatives are sick of him.
yes usama, on message. If Rove wants to shout about forged documents (even though they are NOT) by all means do it. It only focuses on georgie and his "missing time" a bit longer before it MUST be discussed.
Georgie STILL loses on the economy, jobs, foreign policy, the war on terror, the deficit, environment, education.
You can have your "tax" issue. I'd love to be there when georgie tells you it won't hurt a bit when he gives the single largest tax increase in American history to start to pay for the debt AND the triple military expenditures he's going to have to undertake to occupy 11 more countries.
I'm sure you'll be right there at the front lines.
Usamabinlazy, hat Blue Sperm, Andy:
You're sad. You're flailing.
Better get used to the idea that georgie is history.
Worst. President. Ever.
Freeperville has the best trolls.
syntallic, out of curiosity, what is it about Bush that most bothers you? I ask because I have conservative friends and a very conservative brother who hate him, and it's become a kind of hobby collecting the reasons conservatives are sick of him.
"john effin kerry." Usama, I love it. You don't even bother to remove the "Copyright 2004 (c) EIB" stamp off those sharp rhetorical barbs of wit!
'The statement that vietnam began under Eisenhower is a total lie'
Not so..I was born on an AirForce Base in Japan in the 50's my father was to be sent over to Vietnam as an "advisor" but my birth prevented it. During the 60's he told me that aid to the French was being sent under the guise of "American Advisors". That's how America got emeshed in Vietnam in the first place, we were making commitments before Kennedey ever toke office.
Are we the people inspired by Ghandi,
and Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.? Or by
Stalin?
Robert M. Jeffers
You and I are inspired by people of reason
and character. These thugs think Ghengis
Khan was cool.
Slash and burn, kill anything they don't
understand... anything for power and
privilege. Anything to enrich their own.
I saw footage earlier of rummy placing a
wreath at the pentagon- I was wishing the
wreath would come to life and strangle
his fucking incompetent neck.
Not a one of them have admitted fault, or
paid any price for the incompetence and
stupidity that led to the death of my
friends. I hope they burn in hell.
Hey, if you pretend you're four people, can you be drafted four times?
I hope you're a cat. Better not make up any more names.
Who I vote for is my business.
Sure, but I'm still curious to know. We know you hate John Kerry's guts. We know you're not voting for him. Fair enough. I just want to know who you are voting for and why. If Bush, then why. If Nader, then why. If some other third party character, then why. See, I want to know what you believe in and I want to know why you think what you do. Part of it's just a general interest in the Great Meme, but most of it's an attempt to get an overall clearer picture of the modern electorate.
But so far, all you've given is pure, unabashed Kerry hatred. And you hate liberals with a passion. And you think the media - apart from Fox News and, I suppose, sites like LGF and Free Republic - is hopelessly liberal. It's tedious, dude. You are boring. Give us some depth, man, show a sign of humanity. All we're seeing is a twisted little man full of hate and loathing.
Frankly, it's starting to look like you're just pissed you didn't get to Teresa before he did.
Kerry Senate Speech
The problem with that speech is, he should have put the language in the goddamned bill, or else not voted for it.
Guy from Hong Kong
If you think Bush is against free trade, you've not seen what Howard Dean would have done. Believe me, there's plenty of political support for cutting you people off from your 400 billion dollars a year in trade. So shut the fuck up about not getting and maybe start taking some of that cash and creating your own consumer markets. Maybe the Dems are right, hell, maybe the Republicans were right in 1940 and we should have just let the Japanese have their way with you. Fucking ungrateful bastards!
Haven't we learned that turning off the spigots to trade is what starts wars?
stork
I got your spigot right here, drama queen. Have a nice long draught.
I'd say recent history teaches us that incompetent, insecure leaders who rely on suspect intelligence and rightwing fundementalism to form their weltanschauung start wars. "Spigots of trade" had shit-all to do with it.
-
If you've ever seen the documentary, "hearts and minds,"
Excellent film...I own it on DVD.
"Usamabinlazy, hat Blue Sperm, Andy:
You're sad. You're flailing.
Better get used to the idea that georgie is history.
Worst. President. Ever"...
To be re-elected due to brainwashing...
syntallic, out of curiosity, what is it about Bush that most bothers you? I ask because I have conservative friends and a very conservative brother who hate him, and it's become a kind of hobby collecting the reasons conservatives are sick of him.
nobody's pet goat
i turned on the conservatives in general after the bullshit with clinton; but what really gets me about bush is that he is so far to the right, he's to the left of the democrats
true conservatives -- real, fire breathing conservatives -- care about the environment, economic nationalism, managing our deficit, smaller government initiatives and a strong military
bush has cowered and failed on all of these fronts, no matter how you look at it; and kerry is closer to a true conservative with respect to these values than the preznut is
there are other issues, too, but those are my basic tenets for a good conservative --- if you want an example of a great conservative -- try old Howard Baker from Tennessee, who was a great one
The latest "aura of inevitability" crap is classic Bush propaganda. Remember the 2000 election fiasco?
No fucking way I give in. Go back and work for the next 2 months. Make sure your family and friends know about the job losses and Alan Greenspan's call to cut SS/Medicare because of huge deficits.
We are registering loads of young people who don't want to be drafted. And there are lots of true conservatives who will stay home or vote Kerry.
The media is despicable. So act locally, bitches!
stork, uh oh. You're up to five lives.
In case you can't subtract, you have four to go,
wow, stork....
Believe me, there's plenty of political support for cutting you people off from your 400 billion dollars a year in trade. So shut the fuck up about not getting and maybe start taking some of that cash and creating your own consumer markets. Maybe the Dems are right, hell, maybe the Republicans were right in 1940 and we should have just let the Japanese have their way with you. Fucking ungrateful bastards!
way to show your true colors! very impressive!
Usama... I haven't bothered with the Staudt info, but whether he was in the Guard or not is irrelevant. As Dubya's and Bentsen's entry in to the TANG proved, the TANG was all about political connections in Texas. Period.
As far as Dubya and China policy go? Bush has left foreign policy in Asia to the Chinese. How bad is getting in to Iraq for the US? Australia may have sent troops to Iraq in support, but this same government has ditched US policy in Asia and is planning on forging military connections and planning with the Communists for policy in Asia.
The freepers love to flex their muscles and love to see a little ass whooping, but the Bush Doctrine has actually led to the exact opposite of what it wants (not that the Democrats are suprised that a Bush policy would result in the exact opposite.) Instead of the world's only super power, the Bushies and freepers have diminished America's world power to the point of being second-rate at best in Asia.
If you think Bush is against free trade, you've not seen what Howard Dean would have done.
The fuck does that mean? You got a way to look at collapsed waveforms from other quantum possibilities, cause I know of some theoretical physicists who need your phone number.
As for the rest of the post...ahhh, the wingnut concept of America's place in the world: "You owe us, bitches, so do whatever we say and shut the fuck up about it. Wouldn't want to get on the bad side of an Axis, now would you."
Shit...you sound like a bad stereotype of a Scicillian mob's leg breaker.
More:
"I would have preferred that the President agree to the approach drafted by Senators Biden and Lugar because that resolution would authorize the use of force for the explicit purpose of disarming Iraq and countering the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction.
The Biden-Lugar resolution also acknowledges the importance of the President's efforts at the United Nations. It would require the President, before exercising the authority granted in the resolution, to send a determination to Congress that the United States tried to seek a new Security Council resolution or that the threat posed by Iraq's WMD is so great he must act absent a new resolution--a power, incidentally, that the President of the United States always has.
I believe this approach would have provided greater clarity to the American people about the reason for going to war and the specific grant of authority. I think it would have been a better way to do this. But it does not change the bottom line of what we are voting for.
The administration, unwisely, in my view, rejected the Biden-Lugar approach. But, perhaps as a nod to the sponsors, it did agree to a determination requirement on the status of its efforts at the United Nations. That is now embodied in the White House text."
"moonbat"? Does it have to do with Kucinich?
Now that is funny (and cruel). We always thought that like so many of their tags, it had to do with an abstraction or retroactive embrace of dada (reactionaries love new cultural phenonmena once they gather dust-witness the co-opting of rock and roll). But Dennis really does look like...shall we say he could get away with unique Halloween costumes.
'stork, uh oh. You're up to five lives.
In case you can't subtract, you have four to go,'
Ahem. Pie. My question above. Answer it please.
And Stork, with homepage "Storkyak" is not Usama either. At least, he's been here before, been a few months since I last saw him post, but it's at least a name with recallable providence.
so Usama-bin-lazy...care to explain to us what your name means?
does it mean you think Osama binLaden has actually been lazy?
should he get busy and ramp up attacks on the U.S. ?
would that make you wet yourself with glee?
Said it before,I'll say it again.....
Junior and OBL = love at first sight.
Larry King:
"Thanks, Secretary Ridge, and always great seeing you."
Losing barbara olson in the crash was about as heart-wrenching as losing goebbels at the end of WWII
So good it had to be repeated.
Y'all know what a jenny haniver is? That's the first thing I thought of when I saw a picture of Dennis Kucinich.
"Moonbat" as dadaism. I like it. I always thought it sounded like a Transformer, personally.
The origin of the word moonbat, I have found, is simply that moon = luna = root of lunatic, and bats are ugly and fly at night, under the moon.
That's pretty lame, actually. I'm disappointed.
You are boring. Give us some depth,
man, show a sign of humanity. All we're
seeing is a twisted little man full of hate
and loathing.
I think that's a pretty true picture of reality,
except he's not a little man, he's a little teen-ager.
Simply too stupid to live.
Stork, who the hell hates Hong Kong? You are one nutty little bushie, you know that, right?
And thanks, syntallic.
The media is despicable. So act locally, bitches!
Rage against the Noise Machine
And just to shamelessly keep the question open, I of course meant to type "recallable provenance".
*taps pen on desk pointedly*
Word to stork... Rockets red glare, bombs bursting in air in Kabul. Taliban reported as responsible. US appointed President of Afghanistan can't even secure the capital from the Taliban let alone the borders to prevent the flood of heroin to our steadfast allies in the UK. Can you say, FAILED STATE?
As for al Qaeda... ask the Indonesians blown up in front of the Australian embassy. Check out the travel warning issued a few days before hand at the US State Dept. The US knew something was coming and the US couldn't stop it.
It's protection like this with Bush that leads to him paying for illegal abortions.
Anyone who praises Nixon for having brought the peace to Vietnam has no right to call someone else a liar, Stork.
Stork, who the hell hates Hong Kong? You are one nutty little bushie, you know that, right?
And thanks, syntallic.
To be re-elected due to brainwashing...
Andy, the majority of Americans are not brainwashed. Let's make a list of those who aren't:
the young who worry about war and the draft, those who have lost jobs or have seen a decrease in their quality of living, those who have lost health care or have watched it eat up more of their income, the seniors who are worried about health care and prescription drug coverage, those who are angry about 9/11, lies about WMD, the military that has been screwed by Bush, those who are furious about the deficit, no child left behind, the trashing of environmental regulations, the loss of support from our allies, the scorn and anger directed at us because of his policies, the mishandling of the war, AbuGhraib, the secrecy, the lack of accountability, those who are dismayed at his fundie leanings, the Arab-Americans, and other minorities that he's screwing.
Shall I continue?
Conservatives still don't know diddly squat about dada neologisms. Moonbat has prosaic explanation. In case you want the whole story. As I said before, I'm real disappointed. I had hoped it was just some pseudo-onomonopeia, or a quote from a famous conservative, but no...
RE: Moonbat
What was it they used to call Jerry Brown in California? It wasn't moonbat, but it was something like it...
I always thought Moonbat cam from the Little Green Freak crowd, not the freeper crowd (allowing for overlap of course).
More like:
Larry King: "Mmmm. Secretary Ridge, you taste like Asparagus today. A bit salty but good. I'd loooove some more."
My name means I want Usama to stop being lazy and attack the U.S.!
THAT would mean Bush in a landslide! ! !
Bwahahahahahahahaha!! ! !
Down with America! up with Bush!!!
Republican trade policy is like every other
kind of republican policy. Incoherent unless
you factor in which personal friends they're
trying to pay off.
The world would really be a better place if
the rapture came and took away all the people who think they should get
raptured.
Good fucking riddance.
>It wasn't moonbat, but it was something like it...
Gov. Moonbeam, because he thought the state should have a satellite program.
Stork, actually the Americans were sending military advisors to the French long before Dien Bien Phu. They saw it as a way to check out what there enemies - the Soviet Union and Red China were doing militarily.
I know because my father was in Vietnam then.
So, you're wrong, again.
NYMary - Governor Moonbeam. Showing my age.
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Thanks Nancy. Similarly dismissive, obviously.
This is scary, but something you should've seen coming considering where Putin got stars...
Recall that Stalin's purges had nothing to do with racism or sick ideas about superiority: they were practical measures against pernicious spies, saboteurs, and terrorists taking advantage of the Soviets and hiding in plain sight. In other words, a near-perfect cognate for the war on terror (or it would be ideally: actually, ours really is about racism and superiority).
I cannot imagine that CBS is going to just take this..
I agree that any discussion of Jenna Bush's recent abortion would be totally out of line.
But any discussion of Cheney's early onset dementia / "pump head" would not be.
The Quiet American by Graham Greene was written in 1955.
It is set in 1952.
Long story short for the middle of the roads undecideds- at least the ones I know in Pa. Where was Kerry during Vietnam-Vietnam in the line of fire. Where was Bush during Vietnam-somewhere in the US safe and sound. Any mention of Bush's so called 'sevice' -fonts or forgeries notwithstanding-just reminds the Undecided that Bush was hiding from the fighting. They don't care about forgeries, they care about leadership. More they care about the FUTURE, move on and talk about DOMESTIC ISSUES! HEALTH CARE COSTS!DRAFT! DEFICIET! I'm AARP (almost) age myself-my health, my retirement (non-burden on my kids), My kids and grandkids future-That's what matters. Not 1968. Been there, done that, don't want to go back.
Digby, Atrios, grow the fuck up. This isn't over yet.
So, just put my mind to rest here, what makes you so sure
AN, it's always interesting to see these trolls appear at once.
(Are you really hat? Why do you care?)
Actually, never mind.
None of Kerry's protests about the world hating us change this fundamental truth:
The entire world is essentially hooked on exports to the USA, and so we Americans can do whatever the hell we want. Our balance of trade is so bad that economic sanctions and cutting off trade with us would doing us a favor.
Yeah, let's see the Chinese protest the war in Iraq, or Syria, or wherever we choose to go. What will happen? We start making TVs in America again. Let's see the Germans bitch about our attitude towards the world. That's right, stop those BMWs and Volkswagons from leaving the ports in protests, and we'll make more Cadillacs.
stork, the Communists have already started to create their internal consumer market. Perhaps you missed the memo on GM building new plants in China to produce cars solely for the Chinese market, cuz the US market sucks due to Bush's economic policies. No jobs = No demand for goods.
And US freepers would have to pay two or three times the price at their favorite store, Wal-Mart, if trade with China were disrupted. Walton would take all his money from the freepers and give it to somebody who actually kissed mainland ass.
And finally no-nothing, if the Communist Chinese have been debating taking their foreign cash inflow to further develop their local market. This would be BAAAAAAAD for the US, because most of this money currently goes in to propping up US Treasuries. If the Communists went away, interest rates in the US would skyrocket because nobody would be around to fund the Bushies' budget fiasco.
Stork, actually the Americans were sending military advisors to the French long before Dien Bien Phu. They saw it as a way to check out what there enemies - the Soviet Union and Red China were doing militarily.
Plus there was 'the tungsten and tin we value so much.' (see Hearts and Minds)
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Krist almighty, you beat me to it.
I'm OK with dharma though, so knock yourself out.
"I agree that any discussion of Jenna Bush's recent abortion would be totally out of line." -Moonbat.
Atrios: please delete posts like this. There is no evidence that Jenna may have had an abortion recently, we just don't know. We have no right to speculate.
Right. CBS has so much integrity that Dan Rather lied last night while defending the documents in question.
A hat full of stork shit and a handfull of blue's self-abuse on this thread tonight.
d
Tom -Daai Tou Laam,
I have to say...Good job.
The entire world is essentially hooked on exports to the USA, and so we Americans can do whatever the hell we want.
Good Lord.
You are a fucking absolute idiot.
Frightening, if you represent anyone other than yourself...
"My name means I want Usama to stop being lazy and attack the U.S.!"
Well, Usama, the revolution begins at home, I always say. Kill yourself after sending a note to FAUX News claiming your death was the result of a terrorist attack. You KNOW they'll be all over it like flies on stink. So, take one for the Gipper. Like you said, your death could help Bush win in a landslide.
stock,
You ain't selling nothing but a huge pyramid scheme.
wow, Usama i had no idea you're love of George "Spotty" Bush had grown to such extremes that you would actually wish for Osama to attack America.
I think your unnatural love of our president has clouded your judgement.
No, Brian, we are not going to go to your stupid blog.
If you can't defend your position here, then don't bother posting.
I cannot imagine that CBS is going to just take this..
Liars for Bush
I think they made a very bad mistake trying
to attack Dan Rather. He's old and he's rich
and I'm thinking at this point he probably
doesn't give a fuck if he pisses off the
Bushies.
The entire world is essentially hooked on exports to the USA, and so we Americans can do whatever the hell we want.
This is such stupidity I don't know where to
begin.
You really are just embarrassing yourself.
We'll just make more cadillacs? Please go
fuck off and die immediately.
It is not up to us to try and decipher Jenna's ramblings, especially given her history. Clearly the only answer is bombing and a massive troop commitment, as soon as she fails to provide us with proof that she has never had an abortion against her own tissue.
I don’t get the whole bwahahaha over the socalled pushback, everybody grokked it when it came, everybody knew the Bushies would push it with everything they had, we all know that, yawwn.
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A flashpoll on the issue, with all the usual riders yadda yadda showed 81 % believe Kerry is telling the truth about his record, only 8% believe Bush is telling the truth, this is supposed to be good for Bush .
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Heh heh heh.
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We are just too bored to sit around and pay attention for us, the issue was resolved long ago, we don’t believe Bushie period, if he said it was raining, we would check ourselves, if there is the least little disputation, we believe non-Bush 
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Ha, ha, ha, totally unimpressed by the so-called push backeroni, it sounds mainly goofy, we think Dan Rather refuted all the items and basically the issue is moot and many others did too and basically the records just confirm what everyone figured all along, which is Bushie got strings pulled to duck outta Vietnam by getting into the guard and then he had strings pulled to get him outta flying and his responsibilities.
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What is so complicated about all that.
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Whoo hoo.
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I think your unnatural love of our president has clouded your judgement.
And Usama is a minor, right?
How am I an idiot, Thersites, when, you know what I am saying is true. You could say that I'm being a dick, which would we be true, but I'm certainly being a realistic one.
Do you seriously believe that the leaders of China would really do anything to disrupt 400 billion yankee dollars a year pumping into their country? Tell me, really, whose going to walk away from that kind of money? Answer, no one. The world needs jobs, and America is providing them.
I remember my 8th grade science teacher. Big time Christian, always had a forced prayer every morning. Anyway, one day he taught us that all life on Earth was created around 5,000 years ago. I asked him how he could explain the dinosaur fossils. He said, "God put them there to test our faith."
I am reminded of this whenever I see someone trying to apply reason to those on the 'right'.
My name means I want Usama to stop being lazy and attack the U.S.!
Psycho = A Bush supporter.
You trolls sure make me want to vote for junior (NOT)
What is the function of your being here? Your prescence here is ONLY to disrupt and create chaos.WHY?
The entire world is essentially hooked on exports to the USA, and so we Americans can do whatever the hell we want.
Still trying to process the stupidity...
Yes, it's the junkie, not the pusher, with the Whip Hand...
Frightening, if you represent anyone other than yourself...
Thersites
Sadly, I think he represents the home-schooled movement.
Or perhaps he was dropped on his head as
a child. Repeatedly.
Every time Goober speaks, all I can think is thank goodness we will soon have President Kerry .
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There is no evidence that Jenna may have had an abortion recently
I humbly accept the smackdown. You are absolutely corrent. There is no evidence that Jenna Bush may, indeed, have had an abortion recently.
My apologies to Jenna Bush for ANY inference that she may recently have had an abortion.
That being said, an argument can be made that Cheney has pump head, but unlike Jenna Bush, could never have an abortion.
wow, it's pretty easy to get trolls to go away isn't it?
You and I are inspired by people of reason
and character. These thugs think Ghengis
Khan was cool.
ah, so that's why they are pissed at kerry. probably don't like the way he said Ghengis, either.
i really could care less about bush's TANG service or obvious lack there of. i did hear pat cadell say he thinks he knows who fed the memos to cbs. he is "very concerned because it could hurt my party" then he derided terry mcaullife for calling bush a liar. on that one i have to agree with pat. terry is a putz but of course terry is right, bush is a liar. sort of a howard dean moment, you know saying stuff that's not politically correct, but it's still true.
now what's this about jenna's aborted love child? do we know who the lover is? and bleiker, if your still around, i listened to peace frog again, and you were so right that song is definitely about abortion, of course now i don't like it any more.
Fuck Walmart, that's what I say. The best way to support American workers is to buy only those goods with an American flag on them.
So that's right, Cadillacs over BMW, any goddamned day of the week.
But honey, Rummy really wants to invade Iran.
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You know, I resent these tabloid-trash comments about Jenna having an abortion. Abortion is legal and it's a private matter despite what her father might say about it.
>Sadly, I think he represents the home-schooled movement.
I was gonna suggest if his parents paid for his education, they should demand their money back.
Look, we've lived in the greatest society that ever existed while we were growing up.
I didn't know we all lived in the Netherlands!
Jenna's abortion was performed at George and Laura's urging!
Repug Convention Bounce=Dead Cat* Bounce
Live Kitty(Kelley)=Kerry Landslide
*Dead cat courtesy of Bill Frist
stork, the US is hooked on foreigners buying US treasuries because of the deficit. The US consumer market is hooked on low interest rates to keep everyone massively in debt from going in to bankruptcy.
Why do you think that Bush has been unable to accomplish diddly-squat on the Korean peninsula, besides having to remove troops defending against the guys who do have weapons of mass destruction to move them to Iraq.
And if the freepers believe that the US could recreate their manufacturing base, when the rest of the world tells the freepers and Bushies to take their long walk off the short pier, then they are snorting and drinking as hard as Dubya did when he had to take the back seat in the training planes just before he was grounded. All that would be left after a policy like this is high inflation and high interest rates and high bankruptcy rates.
This is why it's so important to put the economically-responsible John Kerry in the White House. The US will not last as a world's economic power for another four years with Bushie at the helm.
kei as langley, yuri as rei, I agree, now that the accusation that Jenna Bush had an abortion is out there the burden of proof is really on her to prove she didn't. I mean, if she's got nothing to hide why won't she just offer up some evidence in her favor??? And if forged medical records or a sign-in sheet with her name and the letterhead of an Austin-based abortion clinic appeared, the Republicans would finally get to rightfully disprove evidence and the whole thing would be cleared up instantly...
The world needs jobs, and America is providing them.
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Yeah, at the expense of jobs here in America. But I suppose you're of the type that feels out-sourcing is a good thing.
Dear hearts, this is what happens when someone takes jokers like Limbaugh seriously on matters of economics. Did it ever occurr to you, chucklehead, what might happen to the U.S. economy if China decided they could do without that $400 billion and switch to maybe Euros? Global economies ain't a one-way street, Luther.
Jenna and my coathangar- true love.
Um, in reference to my statement, "if forged medical records or a sign-in sheet with her name and the letterhead of an Austin-based abortion clinic appeared..." :
I just want to say right now: NO, DON'T.
Sweet Christmas...do people really think Caddies are produced and manufactured solely in America?
I dare the Chinese to stop buying US treasuries. This will automatically lead to another round of devaluing the dollar, making imports from around the world way more expensive than they are today, spurring domestic job creation.
Kerry is live on C-SPAN.
Kitty Kelley is going to say that Laura Bush SOLD marijuana while in college, not that she tried it.
Check the link.
The best way to support American workers is to buy only those goods with an American flag on them.
What if the american flags that said 'Made in USA' were made in China? I happen to think that by the end of the next century China will be calling the shots and we will be marginalized.
We didn’t believe all the hooey about fonts, they told us the font had been around since 1931 or something and that typewriters that could do superscript were there in the 60s and that some of Bushies own other documents had typewriting that had superscript as well. So we are really not buying the yadda yadda and thinking it is more in the likes of the usual Bushie duck and dive and that Bushie pulled strings to get into the guard and then he pulled strings to duck out of his obligations, that is the good ole Bushie we know, the ducker and diver and hey what’s new.
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He can do whatever he likes when he is back on his Daddy’s ranch in Maine starting January 2005. .
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Most of the parts are made either in US or Canada. But if the Canadians didn't want to build them, there are plenty of people in Michigan that will.
spurring domestic job creation.
Ha! Just like the Bush tax cuts, huh?
Boy...I bet stork got really horked off when Bush screwed over American steel industries in order to placate international companies.
This will automatically lead to another round of devaluing the dollar
I wonder what this will do to the price of gasoline?
Thanks supernaut for the headsup, I can see Kerry on C- Span live .
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The next President of the United States, John Kerry .
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Pump head = cognitive impairment after bypass surgery. Speculate and laugh about Cheney having it. Speculate that Clinton might get it too, and cry.
Stork,
Irrational worship of Milton Friedman is just plain wrong.
You know, I actually was pissed off that Bush caved on steel. I'm not in love with the guy, and I'm seeing that the free market experiment is closing in on its end, but I've not seen any Dem other than Howard Dean that really has the brains to see what's next.
This will automatically lead to another round of devaluing the dollar, making imports from around the world way more expensive than they are today, spurring domestic job creation.
I dare you to rip your nuts out with a pair of pliers. This will automatically need to an increased price of bottled sperm if you were ever to attempt to reproduce.
Kitty Kelley is going to say that Laura Bush SOLD marijuana while in college, not that she tried it.
The cheap bitch's bags never weighed, and it gave schwag a bad name. Plus, once she sold it to you, she hung around until you got her stoned. I would've asked her to leave, but I worried she'd try to hit me with her car.
I dare the Chinese to stop buying US treasuries. This will automatically lead to another round of devaluing the dollar, making imports from around the world way more expensive than they are today, spurring domestic job creation.
Couldn't be any more stupid if someone cut your head off....
Man, Unka Karl's really scraping the bottom of the barrel for brownshirts these days... is it really so hard to get someone to sign on to a sinking ship? Apparently...
If nobody (K/E) is going to bust BushCo. on the *9/11 = Iraq* meme they continue to push (George did it again today), the suckers are going to just buy into it and it's game over. It's a transparent attempt to rewrite history under our noses, and they're counting on opponents being too imtimidated to call them on it.
I dare the Chinese to stop buying US treasuries.
Ya do, do ya?
Impressive!
Fuck Walmart, that's what I say. The best way to support American workers is to buy only those goods with an American flag on them.
our entire foreign policy has a feel of walmart all over it
By the end of the next century, North America and Europe will be a single country, equal in population to China, vastly more wealthy, and we will be calling the shots.
Well, at least you're somewhat consistent in your ignorance. I'll give ya credit for that.
And hey, speaking of goobers, where'd Usamabinlazy go? Seems he got right testy when I asked him if he had anything in his soul but hate. Just a simple question, who are you supporting and why. I thought I was quite polite, too.
what's this about jenna's aborted love child? do we know who the lover is?
I heard it was The Kenosha Kid. Wisconsin is a swing(in') state, right?
Actually stork, China is discussing changes this coming week at the top that could hurt the US badly (such as paving over bad feelings and history to forge closer economic ties with Japan. They've already shut down an ultra-nationalist website preaching hate against Japan, so it seems Hu and Wen are serious on this matter).
This wouldn't have happened if the Bushies weren't such pricks bent on retribution and kicking ass, if anybody crosses them. Unfortunately for the US, the rest of the world has more balls than Terry Moran and Martha Raditz. (And I do get to see Peter Jennings in the morning here. Right before the Chinese Communist Party's World Wide Watch. Mr. Koppel should take 30 minutes to watch an edition and think hard about John Stewart's criticisms of American journalism.)
By the end of the next century, North America and Europe will be a single country, equal in population to China, vastly more wealthy, and we will be calling the shots.
Does that mean I'll be part French?
Alright boys and girls. Time to go pick up the wifey.
Let's review.
Some wingnut joker makes an assertion that is patently ridiculous (when you think about it): "They didn't have proportional fonts or superscripting until Microsoft Word." Utterly stupid...but at first blush half-believable, especially to folks like Josh and Kevin, who weren't even born when the documents were written.
The rest of wingnuttery jumps on the bandwagon, and chant "Forgeries! Forgeries!". More assertions are spun around the originals, building an entire case that Kerryor the DNC conspired with Dan Rather to frame Bush for insubordination. In four days the alleged forgery becomes an priori truth -- an urban legend kinda like Al Gore's lies. Meantime Josh and Kevin, like so many other wusses in the party, are left cowering in their corners, waiting for the other shoe to drop. For the second time in two months, the Dems allow themselves to be tarred and feathered by lies.
Spineless Dems: You lose! Nice guys finish last. Welcome to four more years.
Speculate that Clinton might get it too, and cry.
See, the damn thing is, Bill Clinton isn't in office, a heartbeat away from "the button". But Cheney is. And he's been acting awfully bizarre recently, wouldn't you agree?
More bizarre than if he had an abortion, unlike Jenna Bush, of course.
By the end of the next century, North America and Europe will be a single country, equal in population to China, vastly more wealthy, and we will be calling the shots.
What makes you believe this? You really are stupid. I didn't even mention another country that will be projecting it's influence in that region...care to guess which one?
By the end of the next century, North America and Europe will be a single country
Holy cow. We got a guy getting economic theory from Issac Asimov here. Will we finally have those damned flying cars they promised us, too?
What a robust and forthright way Kerry has of speaking, Thank goodness, God bless America, what a wonderful President .
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Thank you, such a contrast from the Goober.
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This is the most important election of our lifetimes.
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Everything that keeps faith with our principles.
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Everything is on the line.
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The stakes are high, the choice is clear.
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We are gonna restore and reclaim our Democracy in the United States of America.
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John Edwards and I are going to fight and show every day the difference between the tired old politics and the America we deserve.
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Beautiful .
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Pump head = cognitive impairment after bypass surgery. Speculate and laugh about Cheney having it. Speculate that Clinton might get it too, and cry.
Don't worry, the idea that it exists as a phenomenon, especially permanently, is starting to fade away as the research that helped initiate it as a fear is dissolved. Seems they didn't exactly weed out simple old age and dementia as a source of the cognitive impairment. Lots of bypass patients are old, after all. There was no real, substantial, or reliable control source. "Pump Head" is overblown and/or a chimera...
So, Clinton should be the same ol' Rhodes Scholar...
Time to go pick up the wifey.
Size 'D' Duracell?
What's astonishing to me is that the trolls are so willing to be fleeced by this administration. At least our side is screaming about it. 30% of the tax cut is going to the richest 345 families. I would think even the freeper brain could figure out that they are not included in that group; they are subsidizing these elites with their taxes. I guess that's the mindset. Dear leader deserves all of our gold, and we gladly give it to him because he is "our guy."
Dudes. He's emptied the Treasury (your money) and given it to his friends. Doesn't that bother you, like, at all?
By the end of the next century, North America and Europe will be a single country
This I gotta see.
We'll be closer to great food and good wine. Hurray!
(I don't think the Europeans are gonna like it much. Oh well, who cares what they think, right?)
"I dare the Chinese to stop buying US treasuries."
Stork, if the Chinese decided to stop buying T-Bills and went to Euros, the U.S. economy would completely implode, resembling a scenario that happened in Argentina in the late 1990's.
Your interest rates would skyrocket, your life's savings in the bank and stocks would be devalued to, oh, say, a couple of dollars (good luck trying to draw it out before the crisis hit) and your $20 Wal-Mart jeans and $100 TV would not even be comprehensible.
But on the upside, you could visit a third world country without even leaving your house.
Robust, strong speech by John Kerry, rock on
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>Time to go pick up the wifey.
>Size 'D' Duracell?
from her liberal boyfriend's.
Kerry is live on C-SPAN.
supernaut | Email | Homepage | 09.11.04 - 9:40 pm | #
Thanx-
-RF
"congratulate ourselves for having integrity" Do you have any idea how dumb you sound? Here's a clue...take a look at that photo of Bush from today and multiple times 10!
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Time to go pick up the wifey.
Size 'D' Duracell?
Priceless.
I hope you got a chuckle, pie. I'm heading home.
G'bless JFK.
Testify, brother.
Welcome to four more years.
Nah. Might wanta use one of your wringing hands to get a grip.
We don’t have a broken budget in Washington, we have a broken Values system.
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John Kerry socks it to Bush, shows leadership on the issue of communities, housing, cities, schools, economy.
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John Kerry at the Congressional Black Caucus Awards Dinner, live on C-Span.
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Jenna had an abortion,thats a given.But what about Junior's pedophelia?
And when you're pointing out "chumps," please don't leave out Drum and Marshall, who got as happily, willingly snookered by the most racist, paranoid bunch of cybergeek misfits on the planet as they did last year by the transparent lies of the neocon chickenhawks in their build-up to the war. Even now, with the "forgery" lies well and firmly exposed as a bunch of right-wing bullshit, they're still wringing their hands (I esp. like Kevin's tongue-clucking over that non-backpedaling backpedaling from Hodges that Digby obliterates.) And we all know we can count on the same response when they're proven wrong from these idiotic moderate appeaseniks as we got when they were proven wrong on the war: bupkis.
Frankly, if I were Atrios, I'd delete the links to their webpages and connect directly to LGF. Why bother with a middleman?
Wow, this is strong stuff, John Kerry is rocking strong .
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Of all the catastrophic wrong choices Bush made, the biggest one is in Iraq.
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Wow, listen to him, gosh.
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watching kerry on CSPAN -- yep, he's going after the iraq policy -- $200Bil not put into our homeland security, our health care, our "no child left behind" [principles] and now he's kicking the job performance
Jenna had an abortion,thats a given. But what about Junior's pedophelia?
What about the abortion Junior paid for when he was Jenna's age?
Christ, you can't keep things straight without a scorecard these days...
A FUN TEST!!
See if you can spot any inconsistencies in the following:
1)The great irony is that Democrats, are against globalism and free trade.
stork 09.11.04 - 8:38 pm
2)The best way to support American workers is to buy only those goods with an American flag on them.
So that's right, Cadillacs over BMW, any goddamned day of the week.
stork 09.11.04 - 9:36 pm
Is the writer:
a) A moron?
b) Different trolls?
c) Senile?
d) All of the Above?
John Kerry:
52 days from now, we’re going to move America in a new direction, in the right direction.
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Rock on .
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The entire media(including NPR/PBS)is shilling for Bushco and John Kerry is still within the MOA. Amazing.
Do you have any idea how dumb you sound?
The person you're addressing is not here.
Do you have any idea how dumb you sound? Here's a clue...take a look at that photo of Bush from today and multiple times 10!
Yes, Bush is ten times dumber than Digby.
MinnieB9 says "Wow, listen to him, gosh." HAHAHAHAHAHAH!
usamabinlazy, bush is a pedophile cuz the info is on the net. i already read bout it.
bwaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
I mean MOE
Sorry
Fielding Mellish,
allow me to propose an e) twelve.
Nobody gives a fuck about Jenna's abortion, you idiot.
America can do what it wants. Heh, heh. Just wait till the Chinese call in what the States owes. Then we'll see who's got who's dink in a vice.
Something tells me Stork drives a beamer.
Tom -Daai Tou Laam has it 100% right. stork is just an uneducated and obviously poor American if he thinks that it is us that make the world go around. You know what our largest export is right now outside of perhaps military weaponry? Debt. Lots of it.
That's right. We export DEBT. China and Japan are our biggest customers. In return, we buy all their crap that our factories built in their countries produces. So when you say "well we'll just stop buying all their crap! That'll show 'em" That "crap" is OURS mother fucker!
You obviously DON'T KNOW SHIT. So you would want to pay $145,000 for a Cadillac? You would if it was made in the US. The very "capitalist" system you repugs have created is the very system that will destroy our economy or at the very least our current standard of living within a generation.
You little bitch repugs don't realize it's going to take an army 10 times the size of what we have now for us to "liberate" and occupy every nation that doesn't want to export what we so vitally need if they stopped. The EU is it's own economic zone.
The far east is another. Russia and China are growing so fast they couldn't care less if we pulled out. They have their own problems feeding their own demand.
Just wait until Russia and China start developing their own mutual oil fields while we, who lack anything but ANWR, which BTW would only supply us during it's entire lifetime with what Venezuela supplies to us in a year.
You really think the planet trembles in fear if we stopped "buying" their "crap"?
Man Stork, get fucking real.
It's not about Bush's service records, It's about the lying.
Robert M. Jeffers: Instead, to speak up about what George W. Bush has done in office, is to be called a "Bush-basher." And any evidence of his perfidy is assaulted at once, and dismissed by even those apparently committed to the cause of justice (I'm looking straight at the spinelessness of Josh Marshall and Kevin Drum right now, and yes, I mean the Killian memos).
I don't have any opinion on the Killian memos one way or the other, simply because I don't think they're all that relevant in making a case that Bush sluffed off his duty. The official military records suggest that well enough, already.
If they're forgeries -- and I'm not saying they are or are not -- wouldn't you be looking at a guy who planted a "bug" in his own office, first? I sure would.
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i couldn't read 'em all but you guys are being funny. especially minne.
Parts aren't made in Canada. The factories have gone to Mexico. Now the Mexicans have been pushing closer relations to the Chinese because it would suck if Mexico lost these jobs to China after losing the Mexican agricultural sector to heavily-government subsidised US agri-business. (Which like ADM then proceeds to turn the money flow back in to donations to the Repubs.)
And the US and Europe (throw in Canada and Mexico for good measure) don't have the population the Chinese do. And after pissing on Germany and France and Spain, do you think they really want to get too close to the US? Why do you think Bush's bottom-boy in the UK, Tony Blair has been trying to gain favour with JF Kerry? BTW, Europe is ready to tell the US to screw itself on China policy as well.
The freepers and Bushies aren't world leaders despite thinking that they are. In fact the rats are jumping ship and smart people would blame the Captain and crew of the ship. (Remember Captain Wrong-way Peachfuzz from Rocky and Bullwinkle? That's W. and what used to be the good ship USA.) If freepers (and littlegreennutjobs) were smart instead of sheeple, they'd give up on the Bushies like Pat Buchannan and vote for Kerry or Bednarik. Instead they delete posts that run counter to their mindset as the only way they can stay on message, like having sheep dogs make sure that nothing might distract the sheep from running where their owners want them to run. Freepers=0wN3d!
usamabinlazy-
you really are dumb as a fucking bag of bricks.
True, yet who committed the "regular GI into the mix in Vietnam? JFK. Who sent more troops to Vietnam? JFK and LBJ. Under what administration did we lose the most troops? JFK and LBJ.
Actually '67 through '70 (two years of which one of your heros - nixon - owns) were the hieght of the deaths in 'nam.
I seem to recall Kennedy being DEAD by Nov. '63, at which time, fewer than 200 TOTAL U.S. soldiers had given their lives.
I know it's a lot to ask, but please don't try to take your head out of your ass anymore. People will wonder why you have shit in your ears...
$
Kerry very strong on healthcare, slammed them hard for shutting the minority health office at the CDC, slammed them hard on underfunded schools and unequal schools.
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1 more reason why this is the most important election:
The Supreme Court.
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Slammed them hard on voting and Florida.
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We will fight tooth and nail to make sure Every Vote is Counted and Every Vote Counts.
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I came here to see what folks on the left have to say about different things, and was horrified.
All I ever hear about the righties is how they hate, and how evil they are. Then I come here and see the preceding comments about Barbara Olson, Jenna B, and how people wish Rumsfeld dead.
It seems to me that you lefties are far more hateful than the worst dittoheads on the left.
Plus, you act like Bush is the Supreme Being of All American Life. As if the Congress and Supreme Court have nothing to do with the operation of the government.
I'm sure there will be lots of counterposts from the Tin Foil Hat Brigades, but jeez, get a grip.
So if you are wondering "what's wrong with Kansas", maybe you ought to have a look in the mirror. The folks in the middle that you have to win over aren't going to buy into the bile.
I came here to see what folks on the left have to say about different things, and was horrified.
All I ever hear about the righties is how they hate, and how evil they are. Then I come here and see the preceding comments about Barbara Olson, Jenna B, and how people wish Rumsfeld dead.
It seems to me that you lefties are far more hateful than the worst dittoheads on the left.
Plus, you act like Bush is the Supreme Being of All American Life. As if the Congress and Supreme Court have nothing to do with the operation of the government.
I'm sure there will be lots of counterposts from the Tin Foil Hat Brigades, but jeez, get a grip.
So if you are wondering "what's wrong with Kansas", maybe you ought to have a look in the mirror. The folks in the middle that you have to win over aren't going to buy into the bile.
Here, here, brother Jeffraham! We have been fed such upside down ill-logic and untruth it makes a head spin. I will not shut up or play dead. I know fact from fiction and will not be ignored or bullied from picking fact from fiction.
That would be the work of the wingnuttery.
Heywood,
It seems to me like folks here on Eschaton have consistently agreed that it would be in bad form to imply that Jenna Bush had an abortion. I mean, what do you want?
I already know what's wrong with Kansas - it's not in Colorado.
Get your snowboard on, dude.
Fins up!
John Kerry:
They want to divide America into Red States and Blue States, I want to unite America as one America, red, white and blue.
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I already know what's wrong with Kansas - it's not in Colorado.
Actually, most of Colorado used to be a part of Kansas.
FYI
>It seems to me that you lefties are far more hateful than the worst dittoheads on the left.<
Hey, everybody. Please don't upset blue sperm/thug/ether/osamabuttfuckme/alan
I didn't say anything about Satan/Ted Olsen or his wife blowing the horned one in hell. That would be wrong. As far as Jenna's abortion, well that's between her and what ever sloppy drunk she screwed in a puke soaked whore house.
It seems to me that you lefties are far more hateful than the worst dittoheads on the (right). - Heywood Jablomie
Why is it that every few threads, some poor lamb from "the right" comes over here to "the left blogs" to "check things out" and then is SO APPALLED with HOW MEAN the lefties are? Is this some kind of trollbot program? I can almost set my watch to these.
And when you're pointing out "chumps," please don't leave out Drum and Marshall, who got as happily, willingly snookered by the most racist, paranoid bunch of cybergeek misfits on the planet as they did last year by the transparent lies of the neocon chickenhawks in their build-up to the war. Even now, with the "forgery" lies well and firmly exposed as a bunch of right-wing bullshit, they're still wringing their hands (I esp. like Kevin's tongue-clucking over that non-backpedaling backpedaling from Hodges that Digby obliterates.) And we all know we can count on the same response when they're proven wrong from these idiotic moderate appeaseniks as we got when they were proven wrong on the war: bupkis.
Frankly, if I were Atrios, I'd delete the links to their webpages and connect directly to LGF. Why bother with a middleman?
dave | Email | Homepage | 09.11.04 - 9:57 pm | #
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Ha, ha, ha .
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You tell them.
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Yeah, send them "middle people" over to Freeperville...
that ought to hold them.
n the interest of non-twitism, th's keyboard/computer is responsible for:
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 09.11.04 - 10:00 pm |
As far as Jenna's abortion, well that's between her and what ever sloppy drunk she screwed in a puke soaked whore house.
Now Chance, get your facts straight.
It was a puke-soaked frat house.
Plus, you act like Bush is the...
Worst. President. Ever.
And we're not acting.
'AN, it's always interesting to see these trolls appear at once.'
It is indeed. But part of that is because of the syncronistic nature of modern day life cycles, part because of the "pile on" effect... and yes, a very large part of it is the efforts of a few individuals to multiply them enormously. However...
'(Are you really hat? Why do you care?)'
Hmm. That's odd. If you asked the far less well known, and far less committed Eschatonians, how many of them do you think could answer that question for you?
But let's give a more specific reason for now. It's the one I gave above. AM actually tried to use the "You are paranoid, you think I'm everywhere!" argument in his little Malkin mental-collapse thread. He's also tried some pretty spoon-handed attempts at trying to make me become paranoid, by making up new identities and attacking me with them, whilst denying it's him, as well as hinting he's actually other trolls in disguise. (He was dropping veiled references to Toby Petzold in the Malkin thread, for instance... he also tried to use on of Toby's lines, about "Head injury", during his recent breakdown) And then he makes a complete fool of himself when he loses control of both identities, but that's neither here nor there. The point is, I've always caught him out by either prodding him until he reveals himself, or by watching and picking up on his little tells... but that our usual obsessive friend at the very least has been trying recently to push the "paranoia" button with regards to who is behind a particular troll.
And either "Pie" has lost her tolerance of trolls, and has started out onto the lowlands of fury and rage that AM long ago climbed, or there's something squirrally afoot, because I'm getting a distinct whiff of "paranoia" from "pie". And Woot recently too, as I mentioned previously. Very illogical paranoia. And that makes me suspicious.
Why illogical? Well, the paranoia appears there again in your reply: 'Are you really Hat?'.
But you'd know full well who'll be stealing my name if the previous comments under my name were false, and he's never gone by the name of 'hat'. 'hat's one of the most consistent, and consistently boring, trolls here... and he long ago proved he doesn't even have the ability to make a second post, much less troll endlessly under someone else's name. And he's still calls our host "Atrios" too, for that matter. He's not exactly the sharpest Hat in Oddjob's wardrobe. If you are using posting pattern recognition, you are way, way off in linking 'hat' to anyone else.
And there's another problem. What first caught my eye and drew attention to the concept that there might be something squirrelly, was a post where "Pie" mentioned using IP addresses to link two posters together... Except, as I've quoted before, I've heard from Atrios that sometimes America's Memory would spend hours every evening continuou
Come clean, backslider - is your last name Ivins?
hey woot,
nice ascii porn there, buddy.
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And there's another problem. What first caught my eye and drew attention to the concept that there might be something squirrelly, was a post where "Pie" mentioned using IP addresses to link two posters together... Except, as I've quoted before, I've heard from Atrios that sometimes America's Memory would spend hours every evening continuously chosing new proxies to get around IP banning. The real "Pie", as part of Team PHAT, and indeed, if she actually had access to Haloscan IP logs today, would see not the same IP, but two different IP addresses, at least over small timescales... because whether it's one asshat, two, or legion, they've all likely already had their main IP banned, and have no resorted to mutliple IP work arounds to keep posting here.
It's obviously not IP information with regards to this name that makes you suspicious I'm 'hat' anyway, because I've used a static IP address without a single banning for approximately 3 years or so. A quick IP look up will reveal that it's a UK IP too. And seasoned Nemmy watchers know (unless they are mentally retarded, eh AM?) that I'm British. It's actually very, very easy to spot which posts are genuinely me, if you have IP access.
You don't use the IP argument above however... So it has to be a character judgement you've made as to why you think I might be 'hat'. Do you think a troll, under this name, is trying to use the tactic I outlined above to discredit your troll-spotting abilities by ringing that bell over and over, this time about "Pie"? It's possible, of course it is; I'm wondering the same myself. It's also possible that both you and I are being overly suspicious. This is another reason, of course, why Registration can't come soon enough... But for now, all we've got is the watchful eyes of the posters here, under which we can try and moderate claims with regard to reality. And your claims have seemed way off just recently. Suspiciously paranoia encouraging off. And if I become too over-eager to see patterns everywhere, I hope someone will haul me up sharp too and say 'hold on, are you sure about this?' Because if no one does, we've made it much easier for trolls to disrupt debate here; And the real "Pie" and I can both agree that's not a desirable future for Eschaton, yes?
>It was a puke-soaked frat house.<
fourlegsgood, sorry I was thinking about the free market economy.
Heywood don't refresh without closing the window dumbass.
Come clean, backslider - is your last name Ivins?
iago | Email | Homepage | 09.11.04 - 10:21 pm | #
No, but it is Thompson.
it's lose-lose for the republican party come nov 2. either they will fail to steal the election despite underhanded methods and w will find his ass on the street come 1/20, or w will soon find himself in an impeachment trial that will dwarf what happened to nixon.
coming from a republican family and a conservative city (san diego), it is very obvious that the g.o.p. is imploding. i did not think i would see so many kerry-edwards stickers in s.d., but even military folk are brandishing them. just goes to show that you can't really count on the people you screwed on voting you back in so you can screw them some more.
the desperation of the neocon trolls is palpable. the only way w will win is if he manages to bilk americans out of their voting rights by mislabeling them as felons. or if some voting machines happen to "malfunction" by all rights w, cheny, and rummie should be in jail.
It seems to me that you lefties are far more ha--
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Yo, woot, is that really you???
Is this some kind of trollbot program? I can almost set my watch to these.
MisterX
This Heywood loser pulled the exact same routine a couple of months back. Apparently he's shocked, SHOCKED to find out that we still think chimpy is a lying crook.
America's Nemesis, I was kidding. Give it a rest, for crying out loud.
I wrote *never mind* for a reason.
Yowsa.
John Kerry:
They want to divide America into Red States and Blue States, I want to unite America as one America, red, white and blue.
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Thats strange coming from one of the most divisive candidates ever to run for office. A man so divisive he came back from war and stabbed his fellow soldiers in the back, and then tried to run on Vietnam 30 years later. Oh yeah, he is a real uniter.
What a choice this country faces...the moron or the traitor.
Sigh 
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Yo, woot, is that really you???
Don't try to pretend, you guys, that you're not just a little bit disappointed when the real woot posts his boobies.
WHO IS STIRLING NEWBERRY?
Errrrr... bad troll steal America's Nemesis' handle.
SHOOO, bad troll! We're all SO MEAN here!
dave, I doubt it.
Could somebody please link to biographical detail and a picture of Stirling Newberry.
Thats strange coming from one of the most divisive candidates ever to run for office. A man so divisive he came back from war and stabbed his fellow soldiers in the back
Keep lying, moron.
Wingnut Logic 101:
Our balance of trade is so bad that economic sanctions and cutting off trade with us would doing us a favor.
stork | Email | Homepage | 09.11.04 - 9:25 pm | #
Er...so, is this guy in favor of our massive trade deficit (which by definition means that this country's wealth is being transferred to other countries) or is he against free trade? He can't have it both ways, it's one or the other.
I'd just like to go on record as being among those here who think discussing Jenna's abortion, Georgie's pedophilia, or Laura's physical abuse of her on-again, off-again lesbian lover are just really, really out of line.
Pie, what do you know about Stirling Newberry? Is he 'anonymous' like Atrios once was?
Checking in, and glad to see none of your have brought up Jenna Bush's abortion or Laura Bush running over her ex-boyfriend a week after he dumped her or Bush's youthful experimenting with homosexuality. Let's stay above this gutter politics and fight the clean fight. Who cares if Bush was doing blow off a hookers ass while Kerry was in Vietnam?
Anonymous, why the interest in Stirling Newberry?
I ain't keen on the Digby post, and I'll tell you why.
Even if I did believe that the odds were so stacked against sanity that the outlook was hopeless, I certainly wouldn't go down without the fight of my life. Because I love this country and its Constitution.
That being the case, why on earth would anyone determined to fight with all their heart and soul signal to the troops that doom is on the horizon? That's just nutty. It's one thing to point out what we have to fight against, and I don't think there are many people here who aren't already aware of the deck being stacked.
On the other hand, nobody would have said "in their right mind" that a few angry rebels could wrest the colonies away from King George either, or that Gandhi could toss out the Brits, or that Nelson Mandela would one day emerge from the racist, fascist prison he was held in to be leader of a new South Africa.
So, Atrios, I'm really sorry you linked to this article. It's just dragged a bunch of Tokyo Rose types over here to demoralize us.
I agree,we should'nt be talking about juniors desertion either.
It's bad form to talk about ones youthful indescresions.
anyone watching carville on CNBC with russert?
gotta love that SOB -- he can spin like nobody's business.
No, but it is Thompson.
Oh, well, take it as a compliment. (You can't be THE Thompson - too polite by half...)
Worst. President. Ever.
And we're not acting.
It is a fact that will go down in the history books, along with the fact that his supporters became known as the most vile, visious, propagandists since Soviet Russia.
Kate, no one was demoralized by that bunch of morons.
The trolls have gotten really pitiful. Not surprising really. They can't defend the indefensible.
chris/tx
I find it really offensive that you would even mention GWB's homosexual experimentation. That's not fair. In England boy's try that shit all the time and you wouldn't think that Tony Blair was a flaming panzy boy, would you?
Pie, I enjoy his political writing but his forays into intellectual history strike me as fanciful. I'm curious about his formal qualifications.
Fourlegsgood,
How's your cat?
Swingvote Sam: A man so divisive he came back from war and stabbed his fellow soldiers in the back
Do you perhaps refer to his representing a group of veterans to the U.S. Senate, as he was asked to do by that group?
If not, please provide reference.
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After viewing recent pictures of Laura Bush I can certainly understand how all
the talk about Ibogaine abuse got started, and I'm not here to take a position
one way or another, except to say that it's really not an appropriate subject
for speculation.
Ibogaine wouldn't have been prescribed except in cases of severe
narcotics withdrawal and I think it's unfair and unkind to focus on certain
side effects which a person can't help. Can we just talk about something else
for a while?
Not Jenna's abortion, however. That's strictly off limits.
Seymour Hersh on Cspan now, from thursday........
Good good.
Wandering back after the screed with a more level head (frustration is a killer):
I don't have any opinion on the Killian memos one way or the other, simply because I don't think they're all that relevant in making a case that Bush sluffed off his duty. The official military records suggest that well enough, already.
If they're forgeries -- and I'm not saying they are or are not -- wouldn't you be looking at a guy who planted a "bug" in his own office, first? I sure would.
I agree. They aren't relevant. They add nothing to the proof that Bush is a liar. Oddly enough, even the Boston Globe has independently concluded the memos are authentic.
But Josh Marshall and Kevin Drum have both climbed on the Dem-driven bandwagon that "Kerry's campaign sucks" (and why don't Republicans ever opine to the press about campaigns? Is it any wonder Dem. presidential elections have become uphill spectacles?). Then things turn about, and maybe it'll be okay. The Killian memos come out, they agree that this is another brick in the wall for Bush.
But a rumor starts floating on the Web (not even the first whiff of grapeshot; a Web-based rumor, for pity's sake!) and they immediately disavow any knowledge of the memos, and start tut-tutting about how bad this is for Kerry.
Bulls pizzles, the both of them. Spineless mush-mouths with a handful o' gimme, a mouthful o' much obliged. They fail to have even the courage of their convictions. The most elementary response to the rumors, that CBS's experts had most likely examined the original documents, not pdf's, didn't even occur to them. Nope, it was turn tail and head for the hole!
Bah!
Thats strange coming from one of the most divisive candidates ever to run for office.
hahahaHoHoHoHAHAHAHAHA...!
Troll humor! Keep it up, guys!
SwingVote Sam, we know that freepers suffer from multiple-body personality disorder. (This is where multiple-bodies repeat verbatim the exact same talking points.) I hear it a lot from freepers and living in Hong Kong, I hear it a lot from the Communist Party of China.
When you follow the Instaparrot and repeat verbatim things that have already been discredited in a thread, you only prove that you've been 0wN3d!
I'm with you, RMJ, but Rather said the other night CBS was working from photocopies, too. Earlier generation photocopies, but not originals.
Robert M. Jeffers,
Drum/Marshall = Brave Sir Robin
'Nuff said.
Do you have to be completely free of ethics and morals to uphold the current condition of the GOP? Sure!
Must you deny reality to justify
affiliation to that party? You betcha. Hate the real *values*
of our founders? Check!
Will it last? Not long. The damage
will far outlast the selfserving
benifit of personal gain the
short-termers took to coruppt the USA. Shame on you.
"i heard it was the kenosha kid."
i have it on good authority that he never did.
the kenosha kid.
damn.
she never did.
the kenosha kid.
Kate,
how's your dog?
We found our signs--they'd been thown into the cow pasture across the street and are now covered with manure. Great. So whoever took them just chucked them someplace close by.
Chance the Gardner - You are so right, every boy I ever knew experimented with homosexuality. In my college dorm we would all get drunk, get a little randy, and, well, you know, things happen. I am sure that is what happened to GWB at Andover, and poodle boy did the same.
GWB should just go on national TV with Laura at his side and let it all out - The drugs, desertion, his homosexuality, how he fucked up in ignoring terrorism before 9/11, just get it all out George and we will forgive ya.
Greetings from the fun state of Colorado! Silver City opened Thursday in downtown Colorado Springs (yes, that city, home to Focus on the Family)! Things are looking up simply becuase only about 1 in 50 vehicles have Bush/Cheney bumper stickers. Compared to post- 9/11 flags and "United We Stand" bumper stickers* that festooned just about every car in the city I am heartened that "the base," ain't all that enthusiastic! I will throw a block party November 3rd if Colorado goes to Kerry/Edwards!!
PS I have actually seen a few Kerry/Edwards bumper stickers on Peterson AFB!!! Granted it's still probably 80/20 Bush over Kerry among military folk, for reasons I cannot understand, it has been nice.
Love,
Steve in CO
* Ironic now isn't it?
I'm with you, RMJ, but Rather said the other night CBS was working from photocopies, too. Earlier generation photocopies, but not originals.
Thanks. I've never been clear on that.
Still, "experts" opining from what had to be little more than internet photos, or at best fax copies, had no business giving opinions at all. And they knew it.
It was all for publicity. To not recognize that immediately, is to put one more spin on the ball as it goes by.
Objectively, of course.
Steve in CO - Did you wave at Tom Tomorrow?
Bulls pizzles, the both of them.
Yup.
I mean, for fuck's sake, it was a discussion of document authentication over the internet.
Over the fucking internet!
Josh and Kevin showed us they are pretty confused over what game they're playing and what team they're on.
If they had just remembered the "team" part they would look less stupid now.
The homework is done. There will be no more real elections you dumb bastards. You will either have to shoot or move.
"What the hell are you talking about?" Yossarian shouted at her in
bewildered, furious protest. "How did you know it was Catch-22? Who the
hell told you it was Catch-22?"
"The soldiers with the hard white hats a clubs. The girls were
crying. 'Did we do anything wrong?' they said. The men said no and pushed
them away out the door with the ends of their clubs. 'Then why are you
chasing us out?' the girls said. 'Catch-22,' the men said. 'What right do
you have?' the girls said. 'Catch-22,' the men said. All they kept saying
was 'Catch-22, Catch-22.' What does it mean, Catch-22? What is Catch-22?"
"Didn't they show it to you?" Yossarian demanded, stamping about
in anger and distress. "Didn't you even make them read it?"
"They don't have to show us Catch-22," the old woman answered.
"The law says they don't have to."
"What law says they don't have to?"
"Catch-22."
Democrats always think they are losing. I remember Clinton's first run.
Lose lose lose lose.
The the election and he won. The most surprized people of all were Democratic partisans.
by the way: Go Dean! ( RATS)
Jeepers H. Christmas. What's next?
Viet Nam was worth 58,000 U.S., 100,000's of dead Cambodians and Viet Nam citizens, North and South?
Oy! Spare me the macho crap! It was the same kind of bullshit we hear now about democracy in the Mid-East.
It's a meat grinder in search of a reason for neo-con artists with nothing but death on their hands.
Damned.
Now I've got to find my copy of Heller.
And I need to be re-reading The Good Soldier.
Which is still the saddest story I've ever heard.
But that's some catch, that Catch-22.
It's the best there is.
New post - Positively discussing that Bush, flipping the finger.
GWPDA,
I tried to get tickets several days before, and they had already sold out a week before! As disappointed I was to not get any tickets, I was pleased that people are paying attention since it wasn't advertised at all in the "mainstream local media."
PS I was pissed to find out that the whole gang repaired from the movie (Kimball's Twin Peaks Theatre) to the Phantom Canyon Brew Pub across the street... I would have gone to visit if I had known they were going to hang for while in the neighborhood.
Regards,
Steve
Why all this despondency? Nobody ever said that it would be easy to get rid of the wingnuts. If it doesn't happen this year, then it happens the next year, or the one after that and so on. There is no alternative to continuing the fight, because we are fighting for the basic shape of the world, for the basic rights that we are going to have, for not repeating a past history of horrendous events. There is simply no alternative.
Giving up is not possible. It's as simple as that. Rest, if you need, take time off, if you need, and then get back. This is one of those jobs that just has to be done, like shoveling shit or getting a cancer operated on. There is no choice about it at all. We must win. It's as simple as that.
Hi Steve in CO. Not only are there few to no signs of support for B/C 04 in CO Springs, B/C stickers and signs up here in right leaning Littleton are as difficult to find as those weapons of mass destruction.
Conti, Salazar and Kerry in a landslide!
Catch 22 is a classic for modern times.
Go get your Heller on!
RMJ,
Ah, The Good Soldier. Packed full of the kind of wacky American protestantism to which we owe our current administration. The great evil is that Whore of Babylon, the Catholic woman--Leonora, I think her name is?
Echidne!!
Thank you!!!
Steve
Steve adds his 2 cents worth:
"Digby ended a post with the following and it pissed me off. Now, I like the guy's site and he's usually right, but this is some wrongheaded bullshit. And Atrios chiming in doesn't help matters."
http://stevegilliard.blogspot.com/
I think I see Sam's point, and all the wingnut's points!
It goes like this: No, we should be angry at Kerry. He, he spoke up. He saw something immoral, and...dare I say un-American in the way the government was conducting the Vietnam war and he took an unpopular stand and tried to make people see what was happening. And that is, of course, simply not to be tolerated. He spoke out, dissented, bucked the system out of principle and that is the real sin. You can't just go around pointing it out when the government or the military is breaking the law or lying to the American (and world) public! That's not supporting the troops! When you see a wrong it is your PATRIOTIC DUTY to turn away and pretend like nothing is happening. We should all shut our traps and do whatever we're told. When one of us sees something immoral, unethical, or dishonest being done in our name by our elected officials, by God close your eyes and hurry away!
So, do I have it about right guys? Usama...Sam...anybody?
Why all this despondency? Nobody ever said that it would be easy to get rid of the wingnuts.
i don't sense a give up, i am sensing people catching their breath and resting a bit for the last big wave
the next 52 days are a litmus test on iraq and the common sense surrounding it; why did we have to go there to get AQ when we had the moral right to land in afghanistan and fight the war from there?
it's a simple math question: was the $200Bil we spent worth giving up health care, a reasonable economic policy, education and deficit control?
that's the question and the answer is nothing but a resounding "NO" .. watch the sy hersh's of the world keep pounding the circuit and the challenger picking up on his themes going into the last 52 days
I owe you one parachute...
Yup.
chose it to read with a current English class. Marvelous depths of resonance. The liabilities of social status among the British upper class; the social climbing of Americans who ape the British upper class; the clueless naievete of the narrator, who isn't nearly so unreliable as he is often thought to be; the empty lives of the extremely wealthy, filling their time with affairs and the energy needed to hide them from everyone else.
And all told in a way that loops back upon itself like a Celtic design, an Escher embroidery, a revelation that is a mystery wrapped in a riddle surrounded by an enigma.
If it isn't a perfect representation of the modern condition, I don't know what is.
No one in the class will understand a word of it.
Ah, well.....
Just for the record-I'm in Alabama and there are NO B/C 04 signs anywhere. None on cars, none in front of houses. Nothing. The only B/C sign I've seen was on a truck from Texas. I live in an area on the way to the coast and I walk my dog near a hotel nearby. There are cars from everywhere-NO Stickers on any cars. In 2000 they were everywhere here, not now.
stevelaw,
May I copy that to my winger/friend e-mail list? Should elicit some angry retorts (which I love to respond to)!
Sincerely,
Steve
that's the question and the answer is nothing but a resounding "NO" .. watch the sy hersh's of the world keep pounding the circuit and the challenger picking up on his themes going into the last 52 days
Yeah...as someone said above, referencing Dr. King, if I recall: the universe bends toward justice.
Just gotta keep up the struggle.....
I think I have a solution to your problem of what question to ask, or how to ask it. Try out the following, which I composed about a week ago- this one is actually original (not passed to me by someone else). Feel free to post it and pass it on to your e-mail list.
PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE QUESTIONS FOR DUMMIES
The Presidential debates are not going to be compelling television. Everybody knows that President Bush can't handle simple questions at a press conference, so getting a coherent answer out of him in a debate will be well nigh impossible. Which is why I have come up with an improvement on our system of panelists asking open ended questions and candidates misunderestimating (joke!) them, ignoring them or sidestepping them. Here is my new, improved, debate format for dummies: multiple choice questions. I have 10 sample questions for the debate panelists to ask President Bush during the upcoming debates. Answers to the questions are at the end. (Hint: you won't go wrong with the second letter of the alphabet.)
1. Mr. President, on June 7, 1981, Israel sent a strike force of eight F-16's which destroyed Saddam Hussein's nuclear reactor in Osirik just before it came online and started enriching the plutonium necessary for Iraq to manufacture nuclear bombs. I'm not going to ask you to say the word "nuclear," so you can relax. When President Ronald Reagan, whom you recently declared is one of the greatest presidents in history, learned of Israel's pre-emptive strike on a country which was determined to wipe Israel off the map, he:
(a) Praised Israel's courage and initiative in removing an imminent nuclear threat from the arsenal of a genocidal madman who would assuredly have instigated a nuclear war in the Middle East.
(b) Angrily condemned the Israeli raid and cut off American arms sales to Israel because it had used American built jet fighters on the raid.
2. Mr. President, on December 20, 1983, Ronald Reagan sent special envoy Donald Rumsfeld, who is now your Secretary of Defense, to Baghdad to meet with Saddam Hussein. When Mr. Rumsfeld met with Saddam, he:
(a) Informed him of the United States' displeasure with Iraq's starting a war against Iran to seize its oil fields and then condemned Saddam's horrible human rights record, including Iraq's use of chemical weapons against Iranian soldiers in violation of international law.
(b) Shook hands with Saddam, renewed U.S. ties with Iraq, and asked Saddam what assistance in addition to military satellite intelligence and other support the United States could secretly provide to Iraq.
3. Mr. President, in 1990, four days before Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, after Saddam had gassed tens of thousands of Iranians and Kurds, your father, President George H. W. Bush, and his Secretary of State, James Baker, had our ambassador to Iraq, April Glaspie, tell Saddam:
(a) "Kuwait is a sovereign nation and our country will not allow Iraq to wage aggressive war to invade Ku
i don't sense a give up, i am sensing people catching their breath and resting a bit for the last big wave
keep writing the battleground papers with questions the bush handlers protect him from. with challenges to independants to answer...even if no response the void is noticable...
Robert M. Jeffers: Bulls pizzles, the both of them. Spineless mush-mouths with a handful o' gimme, a mouthful o' much obliged. They fail to have even the courage of their convictions. The most elementary response to the rumors, that CBS's experts had most likely examined the original documents, not pdf's, didn't even occur to them. Nope, it was turn tail and head for the hole!
Well, I won't defend Marshall and/or Drum. Were I them, I would not have "reported" on the Killian memo story at all, seeing that they add so little to a nearly-complete picture of Bush's dereliction.
.
PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE QUESTIONS FOR DUMMIES (continued)
3. Mr. President, in 1990, four days before Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, after Saddam had gassed tens of thousands of Iranians and Kurds, your father, President George H. W. Bush, and his Secretary of State, James Baker, had our ambassador to Iraq, April Glaspie, tell Saddam:
(a) "Kuwait is a sovereign nation and our country will not allow Iraq to wage aggressive war to invade Kuwait's territory or seize its oil wells."
(b) "I have direct instructions from President Bush to improve our relations with Iraq. We have considerable sympathy for your quest for higher oil prices, the immediate cause of your confrontation with Kuwait. As you know, I lived here for years and admire your extraordinary efforts to rebuild your country.... We have no opinion on your Arab - Arab conflicts, such as your dispute with Kuwait. Secretary (of State James) Baker has directed me to emphasize the instruction, first given to Iraq in the 1960's, that the Kuwait issue is not associated with America."
4. Mr. President, during the 2000 campaign you said that you wanted to return a large part of the surplus in tax cuts targeted towards the wealthiest taxpayers because it was their money. If most of the surplus belonged to the rich, then your Administration's policies indicate that you think the biggest part of the $500 billion annual deficit and the $7 trillion national debt belongs to and should be repaid by:
(a) The wealthiest Americans.
(b) Our children and grandchildren.
5. Mr. President, your position on government funded national catastrophic health insurance that would cover little children who need to raise tens of thousands of dollars for life saving operations is:
(a) We need to provide catastrophic health insurance for the children who are uninsured, because if we can afford to spend $100 billion a year rebuilding Iraq, including its hospitals and health care system, then we certainly can afford to take care of helpless children who need money for lifesaving operations.
(b) They are on their own, and their family and friends can try to raise the money for a life saving operation by putting out penny jars in local stores.
6. Mr. President, your economic policies and tax cuts for the wealthy have resulted in:
(a) A booming economy which has lifted all boats and brought unparalleled good times to the American people.
(b) A net loss of jobs for the first time since Herbert Hoover's administration, the largest trade deficits in history, the highest gasoline and oil prices in American history, the largest annual deficits in history, a large increase in the numbers of Americans without health insurance, and the collapse of huge corporations such as Enron and Worldcom.
7. Mr. President, in your last State of the Union speech you proposed an amendment to the Constitution which would:
(a) Eliminate the electoral college and allow the direct election of the President
Robert,
Do you always write that way? Damn, your insight, if off of the cuff, I stand awed!
Steve
(final chapter in the trilogy- PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE QUESTIONS FOR DUMMIES)
7. Mr. President, in your last State of the Union speech you proposed an amendment to the Constitution which would:
(a) Eliminate the electoral college and allow the direct election of the President by the popular vote so that the candidate with the most votes will be elected.
(b) Prohibit States from determining which of their citizens may legally enter into marriage contracts.
8. Mr. President, on August 6, 2001, you were given a presidential daily brief with the title "Bin Laden Determined To Attack Within the United States." Upon receiving this news that the world's most wanted terrorist, who had orchestrated attacks on our embassies in Africa in 1998 and on the U.S. Cole near Yemen in 2000, intended to attack inside the United States you:
(a) Convened a meeting of the National Security Council, discussed plans for protecting Americans from terrorist attacks within our borders, then ordered the FBI and CIA to take every measure to coordinate their efforts and step up intelligence gathering operations.
(b) Left on August 7, 2001, for a month long vacation at your ranch in Crawford, Texas and took no action to protect the American people from the attacks which occurred on September 11th.
9. Mr. President, three years ago, on September 17, 2001, you said that you would get Osama bin Laden, "dead or alive." After making that promise you:
(a) Kept American forces focused on catching Osama bin Laden and brought him to America to stand trial for murder.
(b) Removed American Special Forces and their air support from the hunt for Osama in Afghanistan and sent them to Iraq to try to find an elusive Saddam Hussein.
10. Mr. President, the morning of September 11, 2001, after your chief of staff, Andrew Card, informed you that the nation was under attack, and during the time that two large buildings in New York were struck by airliners and were burning, the Pentagon was about to be hit by a third hijacked airliner, and a fourth plane was flying over Pennsylvania heading towards Washington, your reaction was to:
(a) Immediately get as much information on the situation as you could, find out what targets had been hit, how many more planes were reported hijacked or missing, what their potential targets were, and make the hard decision to have Air Force fighters divert or shoot down hijacked planes attacking American cities.
(b) sit on a stool in a 1st grade classroom for seven minutes and listen to a student read My Pet Goat.
ANSWERS: The answers to 1 through 10 are all (b).
You guys dorealize I'm the head of Halliburton now, right???
Steve in CO,
RMJ is one of our resident genu-wine intellectuals. A smart, hip guy.
Well, I won't defend Marshall and/or Drum. Were I them, I would not have "reported" on the Killian memo story at all, seeing that they add so little to a nearly-complete picture of Bush's dereliction.
Agreed.
The memos added nothing to what we already knew. The claim of "forgery" was clearly meant as another distraction. Sadly, it worked, if only for one news cycle or so.
Helping it work, is what annoys me.
Milo,
And you're the vice president!
Patti: Just for the record-I'm in Alabama and there are NO B/C 04 signs anywhere. None on cars, none in front of houses. Nothing. The only B/C sign I've seen was on a truck from Texas. I live in an area on the way to the coast and I walk my dog near a hotel nearby. There are cars from everywhere-NO Stickers on any cars. In 2000 they were everywhere here, not now.
I think there's a good deal of... trepidation, on both sides, to display one's partisanship in the current environment. A bumper sticker could get ya fired, these days.
.
Robert,
Do you always write that way? Damn, your insight, if off of the cuff, I stand awed!
Steve
Thanks.
I still think of myself as the educated version of Eeyore. "These things that with myself I too much discuss/too much explain," as Eliot put it.
You and NYMary are entirely too kind. Makes it a pleasure to be allowed to blather here.
Stop whining.
Get to work. No one ever told you that the Bushies were going to rollover and act like decent folks.
So F-cking what.
Repeat: Get to work and leave the whining and complaining (if any) for after Nov. 2nd.
ps. Don't let the people who died on 9/11 have died in vain by giving up so easily on your democracy.
Jeesus, some of you people are bipolar, I swear.
This entire episode is nothing but a pathetic reminder of how easily they manipulate perceptions.................................This is the American Rashomon.When Bush claimed that it is futile to tax the rich since they have accountants who can dodge the tax and return the burden to the middle class,the rubes loved it.This kind of mindfuck has no precedent.When the Stupids,the sheeple accept the idea of the rich slathering their bounty upon the little people,we will look more like Mexico than a shining city on the hill.At the end of Rashomon,everyone has the facts,distorted and twisted,nobody knows who is guilty,everyone confused.
Howdy, a troll here, pumping my fist, listening to y'alls theme song (courtesy of Iron Maiden), to be played November 2nd:
RUN FOR THE HILLSSSS!!!!!
RUN FOR YOUR LIIIIIIIIIIVVVVEESSSS!!!
Seriously though, my prediction for the 2nd:
Bush wins narrowly, GOP adds two seats in Senate, 5 or 6 in House.
Yeah, 4 more years of the guy y'all hate, but it should set y'all up nicely for 2006 and 2008, as the structural problems in the econmoy could lead to elctoral disaster for the party in power (us Republicans) if a couple of things (real estate crash, inflation/deflation, equity market meltdown) break the wrong way. If that happens, 2006 could be 1994 in reverse for the GOP. Ah, the Beta Band (love iTunes party shuffle), too bad those blokes are calling it quits...
i cant wait to hear mark hymen's THE POINT pounce on "kerning".
i agree that we should not be mentioning jenna bush's abortion. abortion is safe and legal, and if she got knocked up by lynndie england's little brother, and wanted an abortion, who could blame her?
so, hands off jenna bush's abortion. i'm sure she will deny it and put our minds at ease. of course, dubya still hasn't denied the pedophilia allegations.
hey, is it true that dubya and jeb and kneel were so "close" as young men (in that special way)that dubya avoided vietnam because he didn't want to leave his little brothers behind?
Steve in CO, you can copy it and send it to whomever you like. Go nuts!
ps. Don't let the people who died on 9/11 have died in vain by giving up so easily on your democracy.
Now there's a bit of wisdom worth sloganizing!
At the end of Rashomon,everyone has the facts,distorted and twisted,nobody knows who is guilty,everyone confused
Sounds like one of my classes at the end of a philosophy lecture.
(Sorry, it's getting late, I couldn't resist it. I know you were serious; and you were also right. Scary, but right.)
Win,
Damn, the most lucid troll I have ever read...
Steve
PS I know, I know. Don't feed ém...
A bumper sticker could get ya fired, these days.
Not where I work. A "ReDefeat Bush in 2004" bumper sticker is de rigur and a sign that you're a "company guy".
Win,
It is funny that you are listening to a song that describes genocide and manifest destiny in the US. Menifest Destiny gone global is what we are dealing with, and I doubt we are going to push all who oppose our grotesque foreign policy onto reservations.
Steve
Steve In CO,
Lucidity is a foreign land right now, as the vast quantities of Bass Ale consumed while my Georgia Bulldogs were escaping with victory in South Carolnia today are still sloshing 'round my stomach/brain. But I'm tryin'.
I'm not on y'alls side, but I love politics, and like to think of myself as a "happy warrior." I can always count on this site to get my blood pressure up, so it is a useful substitute to caffine, when needed.
RMJ...oh, yeah...I'd hit it
Steve In CO,
Lucidity is a foreign land right now, as the vast quantities of Bass Ale consumed while my Georgia Bulldogs were escaping with victory in South Carolnia today are still sloshing 'round my stomach/brain. But I'm tryin'.
I'm not on y'alls side, but I love politics, and like to think of myself as a "happy warrior." I can always count on this site to get my blood pressure up, so it is a useful substitute to caffine, when needed.
i hope you get a chance to watch Sy Hersh on CSPAN .. very enlightening when he gets a chance to speak his opinion fully; he is speaking to Syria and Israel; how even the Israelis regard this administration as narrow-minded
we are seriously in trouble in iraq, no matter how you cast the spin from bush or kerry
to get out of this mess is going to take a serious shifting of our policy; that if we do not do something soon we risk being left as the soviets leaving afghanistan; we are creating another series of beiruts in iraq that may not heal for another generation
we are once again left with generals who think we are winning and reporters who feel we are losing; no one can dispute that our actions in iraq are going to tear our country apart again - it's just a matter of which side you fall on --- bush or kerry; against the war or for it --- iraq is NOT the war on terror; it's an abnormal growth based on nothing organic
and we are going to wear the memory of abu ghraib for at least 20 years everytime we speak to human rights in the world
I am not sure that even kerry can repair this damage -- it's that bad, but we can at least start moving in the right direction again and do what we have to do on 11/2
my entire company (advertising) is anti-bush in a major way. I have no political postings in my office but man do these people really get it out in the open!
catch-22...
if you haven't read it, read it.
if you have read it, read it again.
My name means I want Usama to stop being lazy and attack the U.S.!
THAT would mean Bush in a landslide! ! !
Bwahahahahahahahaha!! ! !
Down with America! up with Bush!!!
Usamabinlazy
Nothing like a troll to admire you.
When did I EVER support Bush?
OH! You cannot prove that point, can you?!
Bwaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahaha!
My name means I want Usama to stop being lazy and attack the U.S.!
THAT would mean Bush in a landslide! ! !
Bwahahahahahahahaha!! ! !
Down with America! up with Bush!!!
Usamabinlazy
Nothing like a troll to admire you.
When did I EVER support Bush?
OH! You cannot prove that point, can you?!
Bwaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Needed: An Activist Media
Over the past two months, the right-wing echo chamber -- a hideous place where the likes of Rush Limbaugh, FOX News, and the wingnut blogosphere prance about stripped of any sense of shame -- have catapulted two stories to national prominence. Both the Swift Boat Liars and the purported "forgery" of the Lt. Colonel Killian's TANG memos have been permitted to penetrate the mainstream media stream and stand atop very large band boxes, shouting their nonsense to TV, radio, and newspaper passers-by.
As deplorable as the attacks are, however, one must also cast a disapproving eye at those setting up the band box and handing over the bullhorn. The mainstream media has descended into a familiar pattern: unfounded accusation gestate in the belly of the right wing, are delivered without scrutiny to the American public, and only after damage has been done does the press bother to check for defects that could have been arrested at birth. It's a rather easy malpractice case that wouldn't require the considerable courtroom talents of John Edwards to win.
But rather than learn from their mistakes, the press seems intent on embracing shorter and shorter gestation periods. Most recently, it took all of one-half day for the wingnut blogosphere to push-poll the media into fronting there unfounded attacks on the Killian memos to feature status. Having turned on the high-powered fans as the wingnuts hurled the s--t, it took the press another day and a half to do what they should have done up front: do at least a superficial vetting of the forgery claim. Had such a vetting been done before disseminating the right-wing's assertions, easily answered nonsense like whether a typewriter of the relevant era could superscript a "th" would have been answered, and, once resolved against the wingnuttery, could have led to meaningful assessment of the other now-debunked assertions about the state of typewriter technology. We're not talking astrophysics here; sufficient review could have been easily accomplished in the time it took to swallow whole the echo chambers claims.
Instead, the media again -- as they did during the swift boat debacle and, more gravely, during the buildup to the Iraq War before that -- uncritically distributed false claims, with explicit (NYT on Iraq War) or implicit (swift boat) mea culpas coming only after eminently preventable damage had been done.
In the world of law, the right often rages against so-called "activist" judges who depart from the righteous path of "strict constructionism." Of course, intellectually honest lawyers and non-lawyers alike know when the right calls for "strict constructionism," they are promoting their own outcome-oriented agenda as much as any judicial "activist." But the facade of "objectivity" is rhetorically useful nonetheless. By pretending that the "conservative" path is but a slave to immutable interpretations of text and not concerned with outcomes, a ri
By pretending that the "conservative" path is but a slave to immutable interpretations of text and not concerned with outcomes, a right-leaning jurist can assert that he or she is merely a "neutral" arbiter.
The press should stop pretending that parroting the echo chamber is "neutral," and that objectivity means unflinching regurgitation of right-wing attacks. Ethical reporting requires that the media take an active role in vetting a story before it hits the airwaves, the internet, or newsprint. It's not so hard. Websites like SpinSanity and FactCheck.org, and books like All the President's Spin, make it clear that activist reporting is merely applying a critical mind to what you hear, and then exploiting the unprecedented information resources currently available to assess if and how an assertion should be presented.
Intellectually honest news organizations already know that there is no such thing as an entirely "neutral" presentation of news. "He said, she said" reporting elevates baseless claims, and demeans valid ones. Such an approach is not neutral, but rather caters to corrupt intentions – and corrupt outcomes.
An activist media will spare neither side. And once both sides know that they are being held to account, neither will feel as free to spin, deceive, and lie. Without timid media "neutrality" as a shield, wingnuttery everywhere can more frequently die by the sword.
Of course, none of this will likely ever come to pass. But at least there are a few starting to fight the good fight.
http://ptuty.blogspot.com/
See ya later, suckers....
From Digby:
"One of the keys roles that we in the blogosphere could play is to keep hurling the negative crap out there, build on good stories from the widely read blogs like Atrios and kos and just keep up a relentless pace."
To that end:
http://americablog.blogspot.com/
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Jesus, what the fuck is up with this thread? I leave for a couple of days, and everybody is crying about the Republican slime machine.
Then I look at the most recent polls and they seem to be trending Kerry.
Look, the right wing has been planning this putsch for 40 years. This is the first time I've noticed any significant fight by liberals in at least 20 years. Yet, we're playing these guys to a standstill. Ultimately, we are not going to win the slime battle over these guys. We are going to win the idea battle. The years that American liberalism were ascendant, from the late 30s to the mid 70s were the greatest, most prosperous time for our country. We became a world power, we created a huge prosperous middle class and educated them with the GI bill. We expanded and continue to expand civil rights for all classes of citizens. We brought environmental reforms that cleaned our rivers and air and protected wilderness and wildlife. Still, there is a lot more to do.
Look, Bush may win this election. But if that happens we can't withdraw like a tortoise for another 20 years. We have to keep fighting. What can we do about our expanding health care crisis? How do we get away from middle eastern energy dependence? How can we factor the environment into our economic decisions? We have to go beyond the political theatre if we want to see progressive ideals to become the center of American political culture again.
Jeez, what's is up with this thread? I leave for a couple of days, and everybody is crying about the CBS slime machine.
Then I look at the most recent polls and they seem to be trending Kerry losing by 20...
Look, the right wing has been screwed by the networks for 40 years. This is the first time I've noticed any significant fight by the silent majority in at least 20 years. And, they're playing those guys to a standstill. Ultimately, they will win the slime battle over those guys. They are going to win the idea battle. The years that American conservatism was ascendant, during Reagan's terms, were the greatest, most prosperous time for our country. We became the only real world power, we created a huge prosperous middle class and educated them with the GI bill. We completed the expansion of civil rights for all classes of citizens. We brought environmental reforms that cleaned our rivers and air and protected wilderness and wildlife. Still, there is a lot more to do.
Look, Bush will win this election. That will happen and the left will withdraw like a tortoise for another 20 years. What can we do about our expanding health care crisis? (Make sure Mrs. Clinton does no get near it)How do we get away from middle eastern energy dependence? (Drill in Alaska fools)How can we factor the environment into our economic decisions? How can we make sure we're still alive when crazed terrorists want to kill every American? Easy...keep leftist nuts out of office.
Look, the right wing has been planning this putsch for 40 years. This is the first time I've noticed any significant fight by liberals in at least 20 years. Yet, we're playing these guys to a standstill.
couldn't agree more, AB. democrats have to get past the ADD they have with politics; if you want change you have to work for it and not be armchair analysts; you can't put on a kerry/edwards button and say bush is bad; you have to be prepared to fight for your candidate -- why your guy needs to be elected and quit the "i'm here to do what I can to win this thing and get bush out of office" stuff -- the undecided voter sees through that line of shit quicker than the used car salesman "what kind of payment are you looking for?" routine
christ, quit crying and go after it -- this preznut, a wartime preznut no less, can be taken down right here, right now. the problem isn't the candidate or his message; the problem is getting enough people out there supporting him hard
you think every rethug likes bush? hell no, but they work for the ticket because being in power is far better than pissing on the outside of the tent
and one more thing --- if we allow bush to spin this N.K explosion thing to his advantage, we have to be prepared to write the DNC and the campaign itself en masse
north korea is the real danger; iraq is a corporate agenda disguised as something else
Then I look at the most recent polls and they seem to be trending Kerry losing by 20...
Hmm... I don’t see any 20-point trend at electoral-vote.com...
Another Bruce - Thank you for showing up and kicking ass. Everyone needs to take a deep breath.
Bruce is right - we can't just lay down and quit. If Bush steals another election then it will be more important than ever to be up to bringing the fight to him. It has always looked to me as if we weren't going to get any help at all. Not from the media, not from anyone. We're the ones who have to keep this country from going down the stupidity road and ending up another failed idea. Or at least, know that we tried. I couldn't forgive myself if I didn't try.
Even as the Bushies keep themselves tied up trying to discredit the Killian memos, several papers -- including US News and USA Today -- have him by the nuts.
Check this out from US News:
The service question
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A review of the regulations governing Bush's Guard service during the Vietnam War shows that the White House used an inappropriate--and less stringent--Air Force standard in determining that he had fulfilled his duty. Because Bush signed a six-year "military service obligation," he was required to attend at least 44 inactive-duty training drills each fiscal year beginning July 1. But Bush's own records show that he fell short of that requirement, attending only 36 drills in the 1972-73 period, and only 12 in the 1973-74 period. The White House has said that Bush's service should be calculated using 12-month periods beginning on his induction date in May 1968. Using this time frame, however, Bush still fails the Air Force obligation standard.
Moreover, White House officials say, Bush should be judged on whether he attended enough drills to count toward retirement. They say he accumulated sufficient points under this grading system. Yet, even using their method, which some military experts say is incorrect, U.S. News 's analysis shows that Bush once again fell short. His military records reveal that he failed to attend enough active-duty training and weekend drills to gain the 50 points necessary to count his final year toward retirement.
The U.S. News analysis also showed that during the final two years of his obligation, Bush did not comply with Air Force regulations that impose a time limit on making up missed drills. What's more, he apparently never made up five months of drills he missed in 1972, contrary to assertions by the administration. White House officials did not respond to the analysis last week but emphasized that Bush had "served honorably."
Some experts say they remain mystified as to how Bush obtained an honorable discharge.
Hmmmmm, been thinking about the tactic our multiple personality disorder troll is using here. UsamaSpermWedgieAssHat or whatever its name is. It's trying to convince us that what is happening is some kind of conservative swarm on this board. Musta learned this tactic from Karl himself, who probably had this brain storm during a masturbatory session.
'Nother Bruce, good words. But I take issue with one sentence you wrote: "Bush may win this election."
If we all keep the faith, keep talking up our side, keep handing out buttons, handing out bumper stickers, handing out voter registration forms, reminding everyone we know that there's an election coming up, and we do our damnedest to make sure everyone we can reach VOTES, Bush can't win. Not even if his side tries to steal every state. Nope. If we do our part, it's Kerry in a landslide. All we have to do is our part.
I for one don't want to wake up on November 3, read a headline that features the word "re-elected," and then think I didn't do everything I could to defeat the bastard.
Just a snapshot of wingnut desperation: I work in Chicago, which is damn near perfectly solid Dem. So I'm cruising north on the Kennedy expressway the other day about noon, just west of the Loop, and there in the other lane is a mid-sized box truck with a brightly painted box. I see the name Kerry-Edwards. Then I look closer. It's an enormous bloody picture of a fetus, and anti-abortion slogans slamming K&E -- the ampersand was a skull&bones. I swear. I couldn't believe it.
Now get this. Someone thought they had a good enough chance of picking up a vote *in Chicago* that they spent the money to rent a truck & paint it up & hire a driver (all this at Chicago rates) to tool around town all day. Now that's freaking insanity.
I've also seen one, count 'em, one Alan Keyes poster, stuck into the side window of a car parked in the Opus Dei church lot. Now that's freaking insanity too.
Nother Bruce, good words. But I take issue with one sentence you wrote: "Bush may win this election."
I agree with every thing you say, but one way or another, the world will go on after November 2. We have to continue to fight for progressive ideas.
Me, I'm making my plans to help the Kerry campaign (and others) for the next two months.
Dewey Defeats Truman!
Usamabinlazy
Better monkey trolls please.
If John Kerry was a war criminal, as you accuse, then how was he hired as a prosecuter and subsequently elected to the US Senate a buncha times?
And while John Kerry was doing all that, might I remind you that George Dipshit Bush was self-admittedly drunk.
You guys are such assclowns. Willing to lose everything just to keep your ideology, which Bush doesn't even really share, in power. Total tools.
I'm gonna sign out for now, syntallic, you're in charge 'til I get back.
re some comments above, i live in dallas, which is like conservative central, and im not seeing a lot of bush cheney signs. i dont know what this means, i expect dallas and texas will still go bush like 55-45, but it seems to indicate that at least the repubs will have to hold their noses when they vote for him. also, josh marshall does some good work, but it seems like he occasionally has a bit too much sympathy for the neocon point of view. i remember him writing admiringly of some neocons and how cogent and persuasive their vision was, especially since they had been right about bankrupting the ussr! funny i dont remember that. but hes come a long way. as far as the election, this is gonna be a long grinding struggle, whether we win or lose. if kerry wins he is going to be facing the same kind of opposition clinton did, but even more entrenched, and just as fanatical. when youre in a dark alley fighting a mugger for your life, you dont get to follow Marquis of Queensbury rules if you want to survive. we have to get down in the dirt with them, cause they are dragging us there. slightly ot, i wonder what happened to that little slimebag that kicked that demonstrator--anybody wanna bet that rove didnt notice that? i bet hes already been contacted, and it wouldnt surprise me a bit to see him in some reprise of the faux election riot by tom delay clones. if hes got a brain, he might be destined for loftier assignments, like coordinating the 2012 smear campaign against edwards or whomever. but this is how they think, and we need to be 2 moves ahead of them, ready with our responses and our leaks depending on what happens.
And when you're pointing out "chumps," please don't leave out Drum and Marshall, who got as happily, willingly snookered by the most racist, paranoid bunch of cybergeek misfits on the planet as they did last year by the transparent lies of the neocon chickenhawks in their build-up to the war. Even now, with the "forgery" lies well and firmly exposed as a bunch of right-wing bullshit, they're still wringing their hands (I esp. like Kevin's tongue-clucking over that non-backpedaling backpedaling from Hodges that Digby obliterates.) And we all know we can count on the same response when they're proven wrong from these idiotic moderate appeaseniks as we got when they were proven wrong on the war: bupkis.
Frankly, if I were Atrios, I'd delete the links to their webpages and connect directly to LGF. Why bother with a middleman?
dave | Email | Homepage | 09.11.04 - 9:57 pm | #
Ha, ha, ha, appeaseniks, good one .
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And don’t forget Vichy panter and moaner Kenny Boy Pollack. .
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Hey I'm a Republican dood but claiming that drilling in Alaska will solve our oil independence is retarded. There's not enough oil there to make up for our demand. Estimates from geologists estimate about 15 billion barrels, which is at most a years supply based on our present rate of national consumption. It's simply not worth destroying that habitat to get the oil. What we need to do is build more nuclear power plants, use the electricity to build fuel cell cars, and shift to hydrogen.
Another Bruce - Thank you for showing up and kicking ass. Everyone needs to take a deep breath.
Bruce is right - we can't just lay down and quit. If Bush steals another election then it will be more important than ever to be up to bringing the fight to him. It has always looked to me as if we weren't going to get any help at all. Not from the media, not from anyone. We're the ones who have to keep this country from going down the stupidity road and ending up another failed idea. Or at least, know that we tried. I couldn't forgive myself if I didn't try.
Tena
Worth repeating.
Imagine Susan B. and Eliz. C. S. saying
- "Oh, dear, on me. Forty years and still no votes for women, and they don't even seem to want the right to vote."
- "I know. Guess we should throw in the towel and cultivate ourselves. Too bad about votes for women."
Or Fredrick D. answering Ida W.
- " I've been struggling against racism my entire adult life and things are as bad as ever. Now they're lynching us in larger numbers than ever. I give up. I'm too tired to give another speech."
Or any of thousands who died securing the rights of workers.
- "But I might lose my job."
Good grief, people. Freedom is a constant struggle, not a hobby you give up on. The alternative is to lie down and be destroyed by the oligarchs and their minions.
This is the result of the Republicans getting away with preventing the teaching or our real history in the schools.
IT'S YOUR HERITAGE, YOUR ABSOLUTE, BOUGHT WITH THE BLOOD OF THOUSANDS, RIGHT TO STAND UP AND TELL THE TRUTH! You can cower if you want to but I'd rather die on my feet and yes, with a gun in my hand if I have to.
Just because they speak English with an American accent doesn't mean that they won't kill us all if it suits their purpose.
The big problem with North Korea is not North Korea, it's China. Even in 1950s when China was much weaker they went to war with us to protect North Korea. Democrats demanding action against North Korea should do well to consider the consequences. Do you really want an all-out war on the Korean peninsula? I'm "warred-out". I want to see elections in Iraq in Jan and then our troops get the hell out and let the chips fall where they may.
Democrats demanding action against North Korea should do well to consider the consequences. Do you really want an all-out war on the Korean peninsula? I'm "warred-out".
But, but, but... evil... axis... bring 'em on... with us or against us... dead or alive?
Mushroom cloud!
We don't want a mushroom cloud!
Bad mushroom cloud! Bad cloud!
Smoke 'em out of their holes!!!!!!
Me: (Foams at mouth)
Republican Friend: Yeah, I know Bush covered for the Saudis and there were no WMD. He hasn't been a very good president. All I know is that Kerry would be even worse.
Me: Worse? What makes you think he'll be worse?
RF: Well, uh, I heard he denegrated Vietnam Veterans.
"Look, we've lived in the greatest society that ever existed while we were growing up"
This fundamental conceit should be examined by every American. A critical eye reveals that the myth of a great and benevolent US has a pernicious and bellicose underside. While the US no doubt has advanced some key elements of the enlightenment such as notions of tolerance, equality, and (formerly) the rule of law, a look at the short history of the US is decidedly not all rosy. The genocide of Native Americans and the unrestrained exploitation of the environment by corporations are just two notable standouts. American has many such "dark side" achievements that should temper the American tendency to unjustified self-aggrandizement, but don't seem to.
And now we have the Bushliar regime, which could ultimately record the US as a major setback to the progress of man, if not the destroyer of humanity.
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Good grief, people. Freedom is a constant struggle, not a hobby you give up on.
Yes it is. And people get the government they deserve, and all that jazz. Agreed.
But there is a big difference in this chunk-o-history, and it "changes everything" worse than 9.11 was supposed to.
When you have the hundreds of millions of citizens this country has, and a number close to 50% of the electorate are appalled and outraged by a corporate fascist takeover that nearly 50% on the other side have been seduced into, you can no longer say that the 50% who still want their Constitutional freedom "get the government they deserve". They become, by a matter of a comparatively few votes, a *technical* minority.
43-48% of the electorate is one hell of a minority, when you're talking about governing the world's major power in an entirely radical new way.
In our current system, real Constitutional amendments cannot be effected by means of a technical majority. What we see happeening now is an end run around the super-majority requirement for radical sea change in our form of government, by means of statutes, court decisions, and presidential decress. Yet most of the Stupids don't even know it's happening.
There is a big differences we're experiencing now, from the era of the suffragettes and the civil rights activists. If you lost a battle, say, over a woman's right to vote, you could regroup and live to fight another day.
But why permit that nonsense to happen, if it's only going to interfere with your power to rule absolutely?
Immediately after 9.11, in a pseudo-patriotic panic, Congress moved to pass the Patriot Act, a suspiciously elaborate sea change in the way we do do Constitutional business, that just happened to be all printed up and ready to fly (?).
I think we here can all agree, it was the first step toward a major rewrite of everything from rights of the accused, to the ability to seek justice in a court of law, to the right to protest, to state-sponsored religion... all of which and more have been signalled by the Bush administration as ripe for overhaul.
It's not tinfoil hat to extrapolate that once enough dmaage has been done; once enough wealth has been transferred permanently to the wealthy; once all mass media is somehow required to use the same playbook and deliver the same message to the public; once "free speech" becomes a slogan whose real application is qualified by a hundred requirements... it will no longer be possible simply to organize and try again.
This is IT. We lose this one, and the networks of power are not about to make the same mistake twice. "Loyal opposition" may be an inspirational and uplifting slogan about the amazing wonders of Democracy, but anyone as amoral as the forces we face today are not about to blow the opportunity to go through the rest of history, unencumbered by the threat of losing ground again.
Swimming in enforced ignorance, drowning in an unbalanced econom
Swimming in enforced ignorance, drowning in an unbalanced economy, and living in a permanent state of war, millions of Stupids will be taught that they live in the "freeest country in the world", and they will believe it. But they'll never even notice that, except on half-ripped-off stickers on lampposts in New York City, never will be heard a discouraging word. And they'll be totally convinced that the system they're living under is called "freedom".
Conspiciously absent from the multitudes of troll posts:
Any defense of Bush's actions or policies. Or even any mention of "plans for the future".
Conspiciously ubiquitous:
Ad hominem attacks and straw man arguments.
How refreshing!
So Digby re-imagines the world as relentlessly controlled by demonic right-wing Star Chambers blithely dictating the futures of a weak-minded majority.
Has it ever occurred to any of you people that you simply may be wrong, you know, incorrect? That maybe you have simply misapprehended the way the world works? That maybe human beings aren't Masters of the Universe™ you've imagined us to be, with the power to intentionally produce every outcome that we observe?
Maybe, just maybe, what everyone intends is changed when it encounters the actions and intentions of everyone else, and when it encounters the constraints of nature and the world as it is, and what results are generally unintended by anyone.
Or does George W. Bush and the Republicans really really want that alcoholic standing at the intersection to be poor and homeless?
Remember, what the world actually is and what we think the world is are two different, independent things.
:jackson
1. Bush Inc. having only a 5% lead at this point, with all their advantages of incumbent power AND a complicit news media, does not at all mean that they will win--especially since their so-called "internals" (job approval; issues) are so weak. The Kerry campaign just has to figure out how best to overcome Swiftboat Liar-type dirty tricks, and how to communicate strongly to the people through heavy filters. They haven't done badly at all, staying so close through all this.
2. True, Ike did not overtly make war in Vietnam, but he did two things to set up the war--wouldn't recognize Ho Chi Minh's legitimate election as leader of Vietnam; permitted CIA machinations --setting up a US puppet government in the south. JFK was changing his view of "US advisers" in south Vietnam but didn't live to stop that bad policy. I tend to doubt he would have escalated to 58,000 Americans and over a million Vietnamese dead. LBJ's war policy was really an economic policy--how to keep the WW II war economy (huge corporate welfare) going. We have not solved that problem even today--which is why even anti-war Democrats go along with this crap. There is no alternative except a real and total re-tooling of our economy toward peaceful ends. Nixon did not stop the Vietnam war--half the casualties occurred on his watch--he got beaten by those little brown people with no air force and no shoes who loved their country. OBL et al could be dealt with much better as criminals, than as a "war opponent". War means killing innocents and making more "terrorists" (as is happening in Iraq). With the economy on a more peaceful basis, and hard work on alternative enegy, we could easily stop "terrorism" without hurting anyone but the "terrorists."
3. Re-thinking and re-building our country is a long term project, not dependent on one election. What Bush Inc. is doing is pushing bitter division and potential bloody revolution. Very unwise. The last "robber baron" era (1890-1920s) drove the whole financial structure right off a cliff (the Great Depression), and nearly resulted in a communist revolution in the U.S. of A. FDR's "New Deal" was the compromise--public works, Social Security, labor unions, and a safety net for the poor. To mess with that compromise--as Bush Inc. is doing (and for no good reason--the rich are already very rich) is to risk, a) a 2nd Great Depression; and b) a really rough reaction--no compromise this time. There is also a new element in the panic of the rich--damage to and even total loss of our planet's biosphere, due to their greed. The 1920s was a panicky time, the rich going nuts with too much unearned wealth (holding "Hobo Balls" in the Waldorf Astoria--jeez!). This is similar, but the nutsiness is somewhat different: an odd mix of Christian Dooms-Day-ism, conspicuous consumption and expensive security for the rich amidst growing poverty and insecurity below them, and moralistic precepts for the poor, w
[cont'd]...while corporations sell salaciousness and violence. I think the Christian Dooms-Day-ism derives from the environmental time-bombs we have set ticking, not from the more visible "terrorist" threat, or the threat from our own nukes. Our days our numbered and we all feel it. Why we are not doing anything about it is the question. The answer has to come from us citizens. The wealthy and their apologists are not going to do anything--they are in panic mode (grab everything you can get--your riches will save you).
Personally, I think they re-install Bush Inc. at their peril. But whether it's Bush Inc. or Kerry, they had better start compromising with the rest of us--a la FDR--and start taking vigorous action to repair the planet's ecosystem, or they will lose everything, one way or another.
Kerry offers the best hope for a compromise. I'm all for compromise. Bloody revolution and planetary collapse are the pits.
Do heed the saints among us--people like Granny D and numerous good citizens rising to the challenge, including many blogsters. American democracy is amazingly alive, despite every effort to kill it. It is a beautiful thing to behold! A year ago, I thought our democracy was a-goner. I'd say we're in a U-turn back in the right direction now. And I really don't think that a Bush Inc. "win" (by whatever means) can stop the momentum of an awakened citizenry. Many, many people have had their eyes OPENED. Bush Inc. will be hamstrung with scandals and increasing dissent. They are on the wrong track, even for their own narrow purposes.
Thank you, Peace Patriot. Amen.
what a bunch of assholes!!!!!!!!!!
too bad as a country we could not round up all you worthless lib's and send you to another country to fuck it up!!!!!!!!!!
This site is hilarious. The ridiculous religion of liberalism would make great parody if it wasn't perfectly clear that you take it seriously. That makes it even more funny. Keep up the laughs, guys.
I sent this to Digby's site, and I'll send it here too:
I guess I'm another one of those Democrats who doesn't believe Bush is a total and complete evil liar, as I saw referenced above (at Digby).
There is one reason and one reason only the press picked up so quickly on this story: the evidence is absolutely overwhelming that the memos are forgeries. You can go back and forth among yourselves all you want on that, and I won't go into details. But check out Mickey Kaus and Josh Marshall - they've accepted it. There are simply far, far too many things that would have to be in play for these things to be genuine.
The constant blather about how this just shows the all-powerful nature of the right-wing conspiracy is pathetic; more than that it's incredibly sad. You have to deal with reality. You're making yourselves look like fools, and in your small way you're as damaging to politics as the worst right-wing haters.
I sent this to Digby's site, and I'll send it here too:
I guess I'm another one of those Democrats who doesn't believe Bush is a total and complete evil liar, as I saw referenced above (at Digby).
There is one reason and one reason only the press picked up so quickly on this story: the evidence is absolutely overwhelming that the memos are forgeries. You can go back and forth among yourselves all you want on that, and I won't go into details. But check out Mickey Kaus and Josh Marshall - they've accepted it. There are simply far, far too many things that would have to be in play for these things to be genuine.
The constant blather about how this just shows the all-powerful nature of the right-wing conspiracy is pathetic; more than that it's incredibly sad. You have to deal with reality. You're making yourselves look like fools, and in your small way you're as damaging to politics as the worst right-wing haters.
Oops.
Incidentally, the existence of a group of people who believe the word "sheeple" is clever and enlightening is one reason I would even consider voting for Bush.
Does it occur to any of you that irrational hatred for all things conservative , combined with mind-numbing condescension for the average person in the US, may not in fact be a winning political strategy?
Okay, as long as everyone has gone into hiding, let me add another observation: when I hear the word "sheeple," it feels to me like one of those gleeful, denigrating insults the Germans might have come up with for Jews back in the 20's and 30's. That's not an observation on precise parallels between the situations as it is on parallels between mindsets.
If by "sheeple" you mean those who believe the most ridiculous nonsense under the influence of a lot of unexamined, harsh commentary and peer pressure, something along those lines, my guess is that you're projecting. Consider that a friendly suggestion.
Dear Peace Patriot:
In your comment above, you stated "a year ago, I thought democracy was a goner", Can you explain. I live in New Orleans, not one scheduled election was cancelled. Not one protestor was jailed and executed. No anarchy on the streets what so ever, well not counting Mardi Gras. Been going to work, taking care of my family the same as the last 25 years of marriage.
Maybe you have a different definition for democracy? (although we technically live in a republic).
I am curious.
Your history of the Vietnam war is pretty funny. Nixon didn't stop the war. Humm, again, what is your definition of ending a war? Does not sending further troops, bringing home US personell or signing the Treaty of Paris mean anything? Or do you mean, he didn't end the war because the NV "beat us". Or are you arguing that we really should have escalated the war and nuked em? Total war? So if LBJ would have recognized the "rightfully" elected Ho, NV wouldn't have executed the 2 million SV when they took control. After all, they had no shoes and no air-force but no qualms about murdering anyone who they felt could be against them.
You are very funny. So if the above was all satire, I apologize for not getting it. If you are serious, explain to me how democracy was almost dead and please more on military history. I am anxious to know if we realy won WWII. How about the Civil War, did the South actually win????
Danjo
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