I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Frist!?
benevolence – n – the disposition to do good; good will; kindness; charitableness; the love of mankind, accompanied with a desire to promote their happiness
So Bush's answer is, telling the truth is bad for our troops, vote for happy talk.
Like Atrios says, go back to bed now.
Quite the soothsayer, that Nedra.
Am I in some alternate universe? When did telling a lie get you rewarded? We are experiencing major S-N-A-F-U in the United States. Remember when smart people voted and ran the government? We're fucking jokes to the rest of the civilized world.
Happy talk, keep talking happy talk
Talk about things you like to do
You got to have a dream, if you don't have a dream
How you gonna have a dream come true?
Talk about the moon floating in the sky
Looking at a lily on the lake
Talk about a bird learning how to fly
Making all the music he can make!
Happy talk, keep talking happy talk
Talk about things you like to do
You got to have a dream, if you don't have a dream
How you come not have a dream come true?
Talk about the sparrow looking like a toy
Picking through the broaches of a tree
Talk about the girl, talk about the boy
Counting all the ripples on the sea
Happy talk, keep talking happy talk
Talk about things you like to do
You got to have a dream, if you don't have a dream
How you come not have a dream come true?
our great leader! he can time-travel, too! incredible!
it's the titanic presidency. forge ahead, caution be damned! and the band played on.
It doesn't occur to these numbnuts that the contradictions and pessimism originates with them.
Fantasy: Iraq Liberation=We'll be greeted with flowers.
Reality: 1,000+ dead and Iraq dissolves into anarchy. No good outcome in sight.
News from Iraq:
U.S. jets have repeatedly targeted cranes and bulldozers on the edge of the city after intelligence showed they were being used by militants to build fortified positions.
Commentary:
This is one hell of a way to reconstruct a country.
And how the hell does this person know all of this? It's fucking 7:00 am in Las Vegas! (Lord, they done got me cursin'so early in the morning!)
I think when Bush is kicked out of office, there should be a marble slab engraved with the name of every soldier who died in his Iraqi disaster. By law, he would have to have that slab in his place of residence, in plain sight, for the rest of his life.
Consistency like deciding we are going to [url=http://www.suntimes.com/output/novak/cst-edt-
novak20.html]pull out within in one year - Ready or Not??[/url]
(see homepage link to for more info)
It's already late Monday here... almost time for bed. My how time flies.
And Baghdad Bush has to learn that the contradiction in Iraq is between the reality on the ground and the la la land that Baghdad Bush consistently preaches.
The country, the soldiers and the world cannot resolve this contradiction until someone slaps Baghdad Bush back in to reality.
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I have complete faith in the mission.
Why would the results change now?
Everthing is going well in Iraq
- George Dubya Bush
Classic guerrilla war forming in Iraq
Democracy: our cause, Iraq's sacrifice
The acid test of Bush's Iraq folly
After Abu Ghraib
Must be nice. She should consider being a stock market analyst instead.
Like Kos said a couple of weeks ago, do you give the keys to the guy who drove us into a ditch, or do you take them away and let a grownup do the driving?
Drunkee, like anthing could get through the incredibly thick barrier of stupidty around the head of the fratboy coward.
He does not care how many people die for his war in Iraq, on either side. They're not actual people to him, be they Iraqi, American, or ally. They're all peasants whose lives are expended to amuse him.
He's a fucking monster, and his followers are cretins.
Hey,, don't bother voting either, no way THIS election can -directly- effect you
I will let the grammar word useage wizards figure out if I used affect/effect appropriately...
Oh! Now I understand how Scott was able to predict the future:
Today: September 20, 2004 at 3:28:12 PDT
President Bush Defends Iraq Policy
By SCOTT LINDLAW
ASSOCIATED PRESS
At 3:28:12 (I'm assuming AM)everything, including time travel, is possible with the help of some alcohol. Note to Scott: Tequila after 1:00 AM will cause hallucinations.
"We won't need to have a draft. Everything is fine in Iraq"
- George Dubya Bush
Britain to cut troop levels in Iraq...consternation in Washington
How much air time will this get? How about in the non-swing states? If it wasn't for blogs, I'd have no idea that Kerry was fighting back.
Keep yearning for the days of fairness in the media, its the only way this country can get back on track.
Our troops deserve as commander in chief this rather than having a true war hero.
As a sign of good will and graciousness towards his opponent,
John Kerry should let voters know that his first appointment as President will be:
US Ambassador to Iraq: George W Bush
So, wait (says Kerry).....you mean the way to get elected in this country is to start a war nobody wants on false pretenses....and then claim we can't change the President in a time of war..???????
Tell it to the dead thousand, Mr. President.....
Hammer it. Hammer it. Hammer it.
Close your eyes, clap your hands and everything will magically be OK. Who needs body armor when you have optimism?
Papa Bush used Don't Worry Be Happy in 1992. May his son have as much success with the idea as his father had.
"We won't need to have a draft. Everything is fine in Iraq"
- George Dubya Bush
Britain to cut troop levels in Iraq...consternation in Washington
Oh My God!
Where is the SCLM???
I just fired of an email to the managing editor for this rag (my mom lives in Vegas and she claims this is the worst newspaper she's ever read.) If I get a response, I'll post it. Let's bombard the dumbass with email until we get a satisfactory answer. His name is Michael Kelley.
kelley@lasvegassun.com
Ok, I know it's important to keep cool, but after today's performance in the GOP Flea Circus, I am so mad I could tear a phone book in half with one hand.
"The fact is, we're in deep trouble in Iraq ... and I think we're going to have to look at some recalibration of policy," Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska said on CBS's
"Face the Nation."
Think so, Chucky? Don't say it like it's a bad thing. We are gonna have to look at some recalibration of policy. It's called an Election, and you will be very lucky to have a job when it's all over.
"Sen. Richard Lugar, an Indiana Republican and chairman of the Senate
Foreign Relations Committee, also criticized the administration's handling of Iraq's reconstruction.
Only $1 billion of $18.4 billion allocated by Congress for the task has been spent, Lugar said. "This is the incompetence in the administration," he said
on ABC's "This Week."
You have swindled and lied the American people out of THREE and ONE
HALF TRILLION DOLLARS. That's our money, for our country, for things like our healthcare, our jobs, our schools, and our social security, you MORON.
Yes, Richard, "this is the incompetence in the administration" all right; THAT'S WHY WE, THE PEOPLE NEVER ELECTED YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE.
"McCain said Bush had been "perhaps not as straight as maybe we'd like to see."
GrrrrrrrrrrrrrRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!
It's called LYING, John. Go ahead, sound it out: L-Y-I-N-G. Remember? That's what you spent 3 YEARS trying to say was so awful about Clinton's BLOW JOB: that he LIED about it. Or don't you remember that now???
If lying about a Blow Job was THAT bad, Senator, the HOW BAD IS LYING ABOUT THIS ????????????????
"Sen. John Kyl, like McCain an Arizona Republican, said, "Allowing the Iraqis to make the decisions not to go into some of these sanctuaries, I think, turns out to have not been
a good decision, which we're going to have to correct now by going in with our Marines and Army divisions."
The decision that "turns out to have not been a good decision" was to TRY TO STEAL THE PRESIDENCY, John. We are "going to have to correct now " by getting RID of the UNELECTED CRIMINAL JUNTA that CAUSED this entire CLUSTERFUCK to BEGIN with.
Jeeeeeeeeeeeeez! For a party that whines on and on and on about
PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, and "accepting the consequences of one's actions, they SURE have a TOUGH TIME when it comes to actually ACCEPTING ANY RESPONSIBILITY AT ALL.
Read Our Lips: You STOLE the last election, You FUCKED UP our country,
and NOW you are FIRED. GAME OVER.
Fuck you fuck you fuck you Chimp!
The coward that couldn't even complete his pussy-ass Guard duty is making a meat grinder of the men and women in Iraq. Our Alice In Wonderland Preznit is worthy of his moronic red states.
Fools!
I don't understand Atrio's problem with Nedra's report. She is a AP wire reporter. Campaigns leak/give advance drafts of speeches to get early coverage on radio/cable TV/afternoon papers during the day before the speech happens. Standard practice.
I am sure if you look at Reuters wire,
there is probably a similar report now.
Let us not waste time on the process.
Message is the key.
Let us not waste time on the process.
Yeah but... never pass a chance to "work the refs". It is a lesson the GOP learned long ago.
I wrote Ms. Pickler an email asking where those four points went in her article. The title says Kerry lays out a plan, and she starts the article saying Kerry laid out a four-point plan...then poof! On to some other topic, without any four-points described.
If I wrote that article for a high school journalism class, I'd get a C if I was lucky, with some red ink at the top "Stick to your main point; where are the four points of the plan?"
I heard the same sort of thing on Hardball; Kerry has no plan, even when he has a plan, and GWB has a plan, even though he doesn't.
It almost makes you wish we had Putin.
As a sign of good will and graciousness towards his opponent,
John Kerry should let voters know that his first appointment as President will be:
US Ambassador to Iraq: George W Bush
His primary job will be public relations and getting to know the people of Iraq.
YOU ARE DRUNK ON KOOL-AID: WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE.
THE TRUTH YOUR LEADERS & MEDIA DO NOT WANT YOU TO KNOW.
How They Lie To You: Rove's Media Machine.
Bush & Bin Laden Make Billions in the "War on Terror".
Bush, 9/11, and Deep Threat; The Patriot "Act".
Enron-Cheney-Taliban-Who They Really Are.
The Plan: Bush-Rove-Schwarzenegger Nazi Nexus.
How Kerry/Edwards Will End The Real Terrorist Threat.
Mad Yet? : Holding Them Accountable.
You guys may mock Nedra and Scott's prophesying, but I just got a copy of the racing results from that paper...
I'm headed to the track now,you suckers!
"Quit your bitchin' and follow along,"
The Chimpster said to the throng.
"I'm just not the kind
Who changes his mind,
Even when I've been proven wrong."
And how the hell does this person know all of this? It's fucking 7:00 am in Las Vegas! (Lord, they done got me cursin'so early in the morning!)
Uh...the campaigns release the speeches to the press, to be sure they get coverage by the evening news, if not earlier (24 hour newscycle, ya know).
The terrorists have won.
Hahahahaha
Rove is trying to muddy the water so people can't decide on the issues.... only their guts.
Sure Kerry has a 4-point plan... but Hell!, why should Nedra tell you any more than that?? That would spoil the nice cozy "Kerry doesn't have any alternatives to Bush's obvious genius" meme!
"Our troops deserve better than to hear Kerry's campaign pushing pessimism and lack of faith in the mission," Stanzel said.
Ah yes. What they really deserve is for Bush to lie to them!!
I guess the bush people missed 60 minutes last night and their grisly report on the battle of the cemetary.
I wish I could go back to bed. I'm sick of this garbage.
And we all know that nothing changes in 24 hours?
"increasing pessimism"?
Oh, I get it. Senator Kerry's supposed to be go around blowing sunshine up everyone's asses, like Bush is.
DUMBya's apparently hitting the bottle pretty heavy!
NYT BIG STORY:
CBS was WRONG about the memos.
Rather was WRONG about the memos.
They were FAKE and they KNEW IT.
And your little crusading whistleblower hero, Bill Burkett, is IMPLICATED.
Eat that, Bush-haters. Take that, terrorist-huggers. Four more years of standing up for freedom and justice, all because your backstabbing, lying candidate's cabal couldn't resist sinking to FORGERY.
Enjoy the next few decades... oh, wait, you hate freedom and progress. Never mind!
kerry's on msnbc.
And actually, I rather liked the "data" in this post.
Kerry is cited twice as having a "plan," even a "four-point plan," and Bush's only response is "Don't switch dicks in mid-screw." (Shades of Nixon in '72!).
Or, rather, "consistency." Let us consistenly ignore reality and consistently march into disaster. The theme of this campaign is beginning to be "The Charge of the Light Brigade." Or Napoleon's march on Russia. Or Hitler's.
Excellent historical examples of "consistency." If that's all Bush has to offer, Kerry is winning. Especially as the press is, more and more, reporting what is happening in Iraq, not what the Administration wants to have happen.
We used to have a name for girls exhibiting Bush's behavior (going around making everyone happy.) WHORES!
At this point any speech Kerry gives about anything is only going to be heard by the people in attendance, and the people who watch cable news (mainly right wing war lovers and my masochistic lefty breathren). With GOPers like McCain and Hagel now admitting the situation in Iraq is deteriorating Kerry has the perfect opportunity to tear into the Moral Coward in the debates the way Dean was doing last year. If Kerry can find his "inner Howard Dean" he will sway what undecided voters are left.
Jayzus Dem,
that is brilliant.
"Mr. Bush, I'll pardon you for any crimes that you personally might have committed while you were in office, however, there are certain conditions you must fulfill, or prosecution will begin immediately. The first condition is that you are the new Ambassador to Iraq. The second condition is that you have to stay in Iraq. For the next eight years. Give that brush back in Midland a chance to grow back a bit. "
I don't care that they gave an advanced item about the upcoming speeches/remarks, but I hope that they flesh out these stories once the events actually occur.
BTW, Atrios, any comment on the UK pulling 1/3 of its troops by Halloween? I have one; oh, fuck.
Bush's 4 point plan:
1) we will be greated as liberators with flowers.
2) It will only cost 1.7 billion
3) The war will pay for itself
4) Don't switch horsemen in the middle of an Apocalypse.
Famous actors, who are Repugs. Did anybody know she was? What happened, little girl?
"We're waist deep in the Big Muddy, and the big fool says to push on."
"Our troops deserve better than to hear Kerry's campaign pushing pessimism and lack of faith in the mission," Stanzel said.
Damn straight! Pushing pessimism and lack of faith in the mission has become the job of the senior staff cadre at the Pentagon, and the CIA.
I love news stories written in the future perfect.
Atrios
OT but you should link to Orcinus this morning. A very pertinent post about the fascist tendencies of the Conservative Movement. Scary too.
This is the first time I hear this story:
Osama Bin let go,
sez U.K. playwright
British Prime Minister Tony Blair seems to be in no hurry to pick up his free tickets to a play that alleges British troops had Osama Bin Laden in their sights but were told to stand down by the greedy-for-glory Bush administration. Celebrated playwright David Hare ("Plenty," "The Blue Room") has beckoned Blair to "Stuff Happens," which opened last week in London.
So far Blair hasn't accepted the invitation. That may have something to do with a scene in which an actor playing Blair calls the Oval Office:
"Just a few days ago, we found Osama Bin Laden," Hare's Blair tells an impassive President Bush. "We tracked him. ... When we found him, our special forces received a request from the U.S. special forces. We were ordered to pull out."
Hare maintains that the "events within [the play] have been authenticated from multiple sources," but acknowledges using his imagination to surmise what world leaders say behind closed doors.
His Blair readily bows to Bush, explaining, "In the world as it is, the British army capturing [Bin Laden] would not ring the same bells as if you had caught him. I accept that."
"Stuff Happens" takes its title from Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld's response to U.S. troops' failure to stop the looting of antiquities in Baghdad.
The White House and Blair's office didn't return calls.
"Our troops deserve better than to hear Kerry's campaign pushing pessimism and lack of faith in the mission."
Gee, do you think this is going to a certain key demographic?
Bush is trying to bullshit his way through to the elections. With his fundy base, this will work fine: if they were on the Titanic, they'd be waist-deep in water yelling to others to get back on board, everything's just fine, and don't be so negative.
With undecideds, it will work for a while, and then stop cold. It's the taxi driver that tells you quite confidently yes, this is the way to the airport, just a little bit more, and you believe him since he's so confident. After a point, you realize that the airport's the other way, this guy has no idea, and you're furious. For the undecided voter, it depends on how long it takes to get to this point.
Things aren't going to get better in Iraq. It's a race between bullshit and reality.
I hope CBS is pulling some sort of sensational switch with the memos. Something like "These memos are false, but HERE (waving a sheaf of handwritten docs) are the REAL ones!"
I mean, Killian's secretary typed up similar memos so they have to exist somewhere right? Maybe this was the plan all along; get a whole bunch of juice flowing from some fake docs (cuz you know the wurlitzer is going to spin mightily on the forged docs) and then produce the real ones now that you have everyone's attention.
Cuz if you think about it, if they were real, you know that news would've been squashed quickly by the Repub Noise Machine.
I have not seen much coverage of Lugar and McCain's comments in the mainstream press. This should be big, Republican senators with negative comments on the administration's handling of Iraq!
Also this story in the NY daily news gossip page today:
New ad: W partied hardly
First it was his military service. Now Dubya's record as a former boozehound is being impugned. A group calling itself "Pleasure Boat Captains for Truth" (www.pleasurecaptains.com) charges in a series of anti-Bush commercials that Bush, far from being a party animal, was "Unfit for Cancun."
In one of the waggish Web ads, one "Sonny Wallace," captain of the "Sonny Pleasure Dome," says: "He claims he was a reckless, irresponsible drunk? The truth is, the man couldn't hold his liquor."
In another bit, the skipper of the "The 'caine Mutiny" claims that "With George Bush, there never was a happy hour."
The brainchild of Brooklyn comedy writer & filmmaker Frank Lesser, 24, the site has had more than 175,000 hits. He tells the Daily News' M. George Stevenson that even Republican Web pages are linking to his site, despite its pro-Kerry bent.
"I guess they see it as more of a parody of smear politics," says Lesser, "which nobody is happy about."
Once in a while I'm involved in a conversation with freepers about the Iraq war and someone will say "Since you are against the war, you would rather have Saddam still in power". To which I answer, "hell yes, if it would result in getting back the 1,000 American lives squandered on this fiasco by Baghdad bush"
Watching Kerry give speech. God! He is Presidential!
...the nation needs "consistency" in its leadership - not a change in the middle of the war...
Subtle: "middle of" makes it sound like the war's going to end in a couple years.
There's no "middle of" an endless war against an undefined enemy.
Bush's massive Iraq spin and Lies will be his undoing.
Kerry found the weak spot and he will soon draw blood.
The proof is, republican senators are getting nervous and moving away from the president's "Good progress in Iraq" rhetoric already.
Bush is toast,
KERRY IN A LANDSLIDE !!!!
Cuz if you think about it, if they were real, you know that news would've been squashed quickly by the Repub Noise Machine.
More to the point, if the information in the memos weren't real, the White House would have attempted to refute it.
They have made no such attempt.
Draw your own conclusion.
Man alive. Monday went fast.
When do we learn about Tuesday's speeches?
Helios
your link didn't work for me
"our credibility in the world has plummeted"
"Bush's 'miscalculations', greatest understatement ever."
Watching Kerry right now.
"This president was in denial..."
"hell yes, if it would result in getting back the 1,000 American lives squandered on this fiasco by Baghdad bush"
and don't forget the 10,000 plus innocent Iraqis estimated to have been slaughtered by the mighty US military.
Cut, paste, and email the following to everyone in your email program address book. Then, print it out, make a 100 copies, and put it on every windshield on your block. If everyone that reads this message does BOTH of these things, we've got an issue. It's called viral marketing, folks. GOP is beating us at our own technological game.
I write to you as a concerned parent regarding a disturbing subject.
Two bills to revive the military draft (H.R.163 and S.89, "Universal National Service Act") are currently before the U.S. Congress, awaiting action right after the election in November. If your son or daughter or niece or nephew or grandchild is 14 years or older, it is very likely they will be drafted into military service before the next election four years from now (a 14 year old child will be 18, draft age, before the next election). Many news reports have made it well known that if George Bush is reelected, his administration intends to restart the draft as soon as possible.
This is a cold, hard reality of the upcoming election.
There are many issues in the 2004 election that are important to each of us individually. But of all the issues that could impact YOU AND YOUR CHILD in the next four years, the DRAFT ISSUE is clearly the most important.
So, regardless of how you decide to vote, you need to cast your ballot with the clear understanding that IF GEORGE W. BUSH IS RE-ELECTED, THERE WILL BE A MILITARY DRAFT WITH NO DEFERMENTS. If your son, daughter, niece, nephew, or grandchild will be 18 before 2008, and you vote for George W. Bush, you will have NO ONE BUT YOURSELF TO BLAME when they receive their callup notice.
JOHN KERRY has publicly gone on record stating that he DOES NOT SUPPORT A DRAFT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. John Kerry will allow you and your child to decide your child's future, even if that choice would be volunteering for military service.
George Bush will not. GEORGE BUSH WILL DRAFT YOUR CHILD INTO THE MILITARY.
I write to you as the concerned parent of a 17 year old daughter and 24 year old son, because mothers and fathers throughout the country are losing their children daily to the unending and worsening war in Iraq. When I served in the Vietnam war era, many people my age sought deferments, chose an alternate form of service, or fled to Canada. None of those options will be available this time around. ANYONE WHO IS DRAFTED WILL HAVE TO SERVE. So the DRAFT ISSUE ALONE is enough for me to ignore any and all other issues this election year.
I DO NOT WANT MY SON OR DAUGHTER DRAFTED - and that is why I am voting for JOHN KERRY.
Your 14 to 17 year old child can not vote. But you can. If you are not registered to vote, register quickly. Time is running out.
THREE DEBATES! THREE DEBATES! Tentative Agreement! KERRY IN A LANDSLIDE!!
Oooh, do tell about the speech. Those of us without TV today need the play-by-play. 
A.
This Kerry speech is really really good. I can't believe how aggressive he is. Someone is reading our calls for taking it to Bush and he sure is listening. Be sure you read the transcript!
Let's do the time warp ageh-ehn.
DUMBya's apparently hitting the bottle pretty heavy!
Terry C
Amen! The slouching, bloated, podium hugging fraud is losing it. And what is up with the sneering, snarley mouthed DICK? IMHO they are folks we should pray for so that Jeebus can have mercy on our souls.
"Our troops deserve better than to hear Kerry's campaign pushing pessimism and lack of faith in the mission," Stanzel said.
This guy sounds just like the HAL 9000:
I know I've made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal. I've still got the greatest enthusiasm and confidence in the mission. And I want to help you.
My latest Blog Post:
Flypaper Theory
According to the latest "Flypaper Theory of Iraq", the Iraq war is a success because we are drawing all sorts of international terrorists into Iraq to fight our troops, rather than trying to come to our country and cause all sorts of terrorist mayhem.
Yet, we are supposed to be also be bringing peace to Iraq. Y'a know, peace, liberty, freedom, democracy, all that good stuff. This is supposed to be the "honorable" reason we invaded Iraq.
So how do you think the average Iraqi feels when we tell him that we are bringing him democracy, then we also tell him that we are drawing foreign terrorists into his country to blow up things and shoot up his city blocks while fighting the Americans?
You think this might give us a credibility problem over there?
Kerry is giving an outstanding speech. Finally!
When do we learn about Tuesday's speeches?
Tuesday's speeches happened last Thursday.
We all read them a week before that.
Try to keep up.
Watching Kerry give speech. God! He is Presidential!
WOW He is Awesome right now.
Go GET 'EM KERRY !!!!
Our man is bringing the heat. Impassioned, well reasoned, combative. Even Faux is carrying it.
We got flowers in Iraq. Funeral flowers.
Our man is bringing the heat. Impassioned, well reasoned, combative. Even Faux is carrying it.
Nothing but strikes, Big John. Whoo!
A.
Right is Right, Left is Wrong,
Yawn...That story still has legs??? That was so Swiftboat ago. Obviously, you watch FOX. Anybody else talking about it?
Let's talk about Iraq. 
About the speech: The tone is perfect. Critical yet confident and hopeful. Very balanced and focused. And specific.
Help! Can anyone provide me with the link to the mother of a slain soldier who was taken away in handcuffs and put into the police wagon while speaking to the press outside of a Laura Bush event?
I'm trying to write a letter about it. Still shaking from outrage.
American Media = Psychic Network
Bush was countering by saying the nation needs "consistency" in its leadership - not a change in the middle of the war
I thought we "turned a corner"?
Shorter Bush campaign response:
John Kerry is fully unhinged. His aggressive rhetoric in NY today is further proof that the Democratic campaign is desperate and has jumped the tracks.
The above RNC talking point will be recited by Wolf Beardster beginning at 12:01PM today.
i'd be careful about that draft letter. two democrat sponsors from jan. 2003. backfire potential would seem pretty high.
LAS--
Google "Sue Niederer." That's the woman's name.
I wish Kerry and Edwards would start calling Bush Baghdad Bob Bush. But they probably won't so all of us should push this phrase. Baghdad Bob Bush. Baghdad Bob Bush.
Repeat after me: Baghdad Bob Bush.
Baghdad Bob Bush.
Baghdad Bob Bush.
Google it 12 times a day.
Hey, Kerry is sounding pretty good... watching speech.
The only story in Iraq continues to be "THERE IS NO 'COURSE' TO STAY."
LAS -- Maureen Dowd wrote about it today in the NYT.
Got my MoDo workin'
@LAS - here.
I don't get what the complaint is about reporting advance texts of speeches. (There was a lot of this during the DNC as I recall.) What, if the campaigns give news organizations the advance texts, reporters are supposed to sit on them until the speeches are delivered? And of course sometimes it's interesting to see what the speaker leaves out or adds, compared to the prepared text.
The news business has worked this way for a long time. Advance texts get speech coverage into newspapers whose deadlines otherwise would have passed. (For example, Obama's DNC keynote would not have gotten into many of the next day's papers if not for the advance text.) The only thing that's changed now is newspapers have web sites so people now can see advance texts in real time rather than waiting for the fishwrap to hit the streets.
I realize it may seem like a bit of a time warp but I don't see why it's a problem.
This Kerry speech is really really good. I can't believe how aggressive he is. Someone is reading our calls for taking it to Bush and he sure is listening. Be sure you read the transcript!
Kerry in a Landslide !
backfire potential would seem pretty high.
Makes no fucking difference. It meets the Karl Rove Truth Standard.
From the NYT:
Bush's mistakes, Kerry said, ``were not the equivalent of accounting errors. They were colossal failures of judgment -- and judgment is what we look for in a president.''
At last!
Has Kerry said his four points yet? I'm going to the TV right now.....
Bush's argument seems to be,
"Hey, Kerry can't clean up the mess I made any better than I can! So why should anybody vote for him?"
I mentioned this a few days ago and some misshapen subterranean creature emerged from its hole to doubt my truthfulness, i.e. that a poll in June found only two percent (that's 2%) of the Iraqi Arab (i.e., non-Kurdish) population supported the occupation. I gave a link, of course it was some surrender monkey French newspaper because we aren't allowed to know stuff like that here in the U S of A.
Here's another dang furriner, Patrick Cockburn, discussing that factoid among other interesting matters . . .
murder and mayhem in the week the peace was lost
Damn, Kerry is giving the best speech EVER at NYU as we speak on CNN re Iraq. Wolfie and Bill "Kneepads" Schneider's heads are exploding.
Congratulations. Less than 60 days before the election your candidate takes a position on the most important issue.
Um, just one problem. His position is idiotic:
1. Get more help from other nations. Since when is the U.K. not a nation? And france pulled out of enforcing the no-fly zones ion 1996, do you really think they want to help now?
2.Provide better training for Iraqi security forces.
Better? What does he think the marines are doing now, keeping secrets?
3. Provide benefits to the Iraqi people.
Benefits? Like welfare, healthcare, etc? So now I have to pay for poor families here and abroad?
4. Ensure that democratic elections can be held next year as promised.
Isn't this actually Bush's proposal?
What a dud this guy turned out to be...
THEY CALL ME PASTABAGEL
LAS, this dKos thread should help:
http://tinyurl.com/4wma8
The text of Kerry's speech is up on his website right here
Re: memos, isn't the mea culpa not "They weren't Killian's, they were forged and we fell for it" but instead "We don't know where they came from, and it may not have been from Killian's files"? In other words, there may have been a fuck-up, but it doesn't have to have been the specific kind of fuck-up that is a forgery.
Just starting the four points -- he's laying down the law, and if the dumbfuckwits on TV News don't get it now, they never will. I guess Tweety will be our first test case behind Wolf.
"the president should start behaving like we REALLY are at war"
Kerry is on FIRE!
WOW this is awesome!
The president is a failed leader. Foremost, he has failed to unite the citizenry. In fact he has enabled the divisions seen today by his inability to step forward and establish truth and fact. The contention seen daily in the news and editorials serves no one but the Admistration and their ability to be re-elected. It does not assist the avarage American one iota. Yet this president wil not attempt to intercede and diminish or even remove it. He simply allows it to happen, occasionally tossing on new tinder as it burns.
Speeking of Kneepads, did anyone see Bill Schneider on American Morning, this morning?
I was waiting to see if he would say anything about the emails from last night, but I did notice he was very subdued this morning, and looked somewhat upset.
I wonder if he received a stern talking to by CNN management this morning?
THEY CALL ME PASTABAGEL-
To your face maybe. Behind your back, they call you other things!
"THEY CALL ME PASTABAGEL"
And I call you asshole!
this should have legs, if not americans are dumb brutal fucks, oh wait.
Kerry has given some great speeches this campaign. Really. Starting with, but by no means ending with, his acceptance speech in Boston. I saw the damn thing and it was sharp. Yes, sometimes he gets bogged down -- in the sense he talks his way through an issue -- but it really takes a fatalist to continually recycle the "Kerry's a stiff, but he's my stiff" canard.
I'm sick to death of this kind of kneejerk gnashing over the guy. He's the toughest Progressive candidate the Democrats have had in an election since, what, Johnson? And it's STILL not enough for some of you.
A little history lesson: It seems that now, Clinton could always charm anyone, but he was known for a LOOONG time as a wonkish bore. Even on the campaign trail.
Winning will make Kerry's campaign look brilliant. Losing will cause the Long, Whiny Knives of the Democratic Party to come out yet again.
Get more help from other nations. Since when is the U.K. not a nation?
Actually, I think Kerry is looking to get NATO involvement. Nato will probably not get involved under any Bush plan.
Provide better training for Iraqi security forces. Better? What does he think the marines are doing now, keeping secrets?
When Richard Lugar a R member of the Senate Foregn Relations Commitee, calls the Bush Administration "incompetent", I'd say, that, yes, Kerry probably COULD have a better plan at training Iraqi security forces.
David, I saw him in the UK reporting that 33 of 37 European nation prefer Kerry over his HoneyBear. And yeah, he didn't look like he was enjoying it nearly as much as he did telling us about Friday's Gallup poll.
What's going on here? Republicans comdemning Bush's policies, and Zell and Daschle trying to hug up on Bush - literally. WTF?
The text of Kerry's speech is up on his website right here
What's going on here, Peter, is that there is no such thing as a Democratic Party any more. Just a bunch of individual politicians who use the label to run on. No significant organized mass base, no coherent policy agenda, just a mechanism for self promotion. If it works for "Democrat" politician A to align self with Kerry, it shall be so. If it doesn't work for $10-trick-Daschle, it will not be so.
JHC! Last night on 60 Mins. gave the real *poop* on what is going on in this admin.
Our country deservrs WAY better.
Since when is the U.K. not a nation? And france pulled out of enforcing the no-fly zones ion 1996, do you really think they want to help now?
In case you hadn't heard, the U.K. is pulling 1/3 of their troops next month. We need a leader who can make a logical appeal to allies for why we need help, not Bush who has a demonstrable record of intransigence and extremely poor judgement.
2.Provide better training for Iraqi security forces.
Better? What does he think the marines are doing now, keeping secrets? Read the news. The U.S. has placed only half of the personnel that are required for training security personnel. They have not moved the rest of the planned staff to Iraq. Again, poor judgement and mismanagement. Where does the buck stop?
3. Provide benefits to the Iraqi people.
Benefits? Like welfare, healthcare, etc? So now I have to pay for poor families here and abroad?
How about letting Iraqi firms participate in rebuilding their own country? Reducing the massive unemployment and speeding restoration of the countries infrastructure would help reduce the incentives to attack our troops. Do I have to repeat... poor judgement and mismanagement?
4. Ensure that democratic elections can be held next year as promised.
Isn't this actually Bush's proposal?
Bush proposes a lot of things... he's proposed getting both bin Laden and al Sadr's heads on platters? How's that working out? He's proposed the idea that his tax cuts would generate 350K new jobs a month... how's that working out?
Bush's track record on proposals is one thing... his record on actually achieving them... well, reality seems to suck for him.
Here's another good quote from today's speech:
Saddam Hussein was a brutal dictator who deserves his own special place in hell. But that was not, in itself, a reason to go to war. The satisfaction we take in his downfall does not hide this fact: we have traded a dictator for a chaos that has left America less secure.
"Our troops deserve better than to hear Kerry's campaign pushing pessimism and lack of faith in the mission," Stanzel said.
The only thing that pisses me off more than chickenhawks trying to squelch dissent with fake patriotism is seeing Veterans allowing them to get away with it. How much longer are honored Vets going to debase and cheapen their "professed" values just to get even for a perceived 30-year old grudge? They are quick to demand proper reverence for military sacrifice, but don't bat an eye when returning bodies are treated like cargo to be hidden in warehouse shadows, lest we start putting a human face to Bush's folly. (Where is "their" memorial?) Is the momentary visceral satisfaction of "sticking it to those damn hippies" really worth living what they know deep down is a lie? Is supporting a private vendetta and stuffing cash into corportist pockets really worth sending kids out to die? Are those the freedoms they fought for? How can they conscience the vilification of true soldiers like McCain, Kerry, Clelland (and any of several Generals who disagreed with Bush) by an administraton that hasn't seen 2 minutes of active duty (save Powell). What a flexible set of values these people possess! When did patriotism -- REAL patriotism (not the simplistic flag-waving of the Bushies) -- ever include unquestioned obedience to a pResident who misled, shaved truth and lied outright to start an elective war against a tyrant of little military consequence? When are the people who actually fought for the country going to start putting ITS interest above Haliburton?
So the Pickler and others are writing all the political plays of the day... almost a day in advance, based on the faxes and press releases of the political parties.
Can these people get any more lazy? What an awful service they are providing the American people.
And where, oh where, have I heard this before?
In fact, the only officials who lost their jobs over Iraq were the ones who told the truth.
General Shinseki said it would take several hundred thousand troops to secure Iraq. He was retired. Economic adviser Larry Lindsey said that Iraq would cost as much as $200 billion. He was fired.
Can I just say, throwing this out there, that Danielle Pletka is a cunt. And Richard Lugar is a disingenuous asshole, for speaking out for face time on Sunday shows, then pulling his punches on Monday morning. Unfuckingbelievable. What will Kerry have to do to show these shitbags that he has a plan? I think anything he says, they will continue the flip flop meme. Shitbags.
whatever you think about kerry, you have to admit he's smarter than george. really, that has to be a prerequisite to being president.
flipped to cnn to see responce and they had that horrid bitch pletka. back to msnbc and the two stunning models touched the hilites, no content and then pres. chimpies speech tonite and then the UN.
no, the freakn' media better realize the import of this speech.
I agree with you about the Barbizon Modeling School graduates on MSNBC. This was a great speech and they did nothing but skim the top. Pletka! How does this woman keep getting work?
Wow, it looks like a new douchebag is born: Pastabagel (easily the dumbest handle yet) - The four points are so completely self-evident that it would take a complete idiot not to have proposed them from the beginning. Enter the Bush administration.
1. Yes, it would have helped immensely if we hadn't alienated most of the rest of the world by invading Iraq, while we were trying to get the job done on global terrorism and Afghanistan. Yet we did. Why? (P.S. The world is bigger than France too.)
And moron, help from MORE nations doesn't mean we haven't gotten support from ANYONE. Therefore the U.K. can still be considered an ally in Iraq, even though they're downgrading their support as we speak.
2. It's possible to Iraqify this war, but I agree that it's futile. Still, to blame this on Kerry is perverse. Your boy botched EVERYTHING about this. It's a neat trick to think Kerry's solution is a dud, when Bush won't even talk about the war execpt to say it's going well. How inane is that?
3. It's ironic, your tax money is being spent NOW on "Iraqi benefits", whether you like it or not, but not well, or smartly. In fact it's being held up in channels while electricity is poor, sewage is swamping the cities and reconstruction is lagging. Once again, Bush fucked up something as simple as helping out the people you're claiming to liberate. First, get some professionals running the reconstruction and not AEI interns and political hacks whose complete faith in the free market has ensured that the government will be rendered useless. For you to bitch about rebuilding the country and helping the people on your dime, even as our "catastrophic success" helped usher in this misery is a typically shortsighted view of the Republican Party.
4. Bush has done everything he possibly could to game the elections in Iraq, making them next to useless. Having real elections would be a start, even as it might mean trading in a Tyrannical Kleptocracy for a Tyrannical Islamic state. Again, well done.
So if you think Kerry's a dud, Bush has to have been a nuclear meltdown. I'll leave it to your small imagination to figure out which one is more benign.
3.
Thank you, Syd!
the Barbizon Modeling School graduates on MSNBC
I'll never watch them again without remembering this phrase. (Un)fortunately I hardly ever watch them. Thank you Monica A.
My head has officially exploded.
The dumbest, most incompetent nitwit in the history of the USA enjoys a majority in the red, stupid, wingnuttery states.
I will not cheer them on when they make me breathe foul air or create jobs that earn less than living wages. Their lack of overtime wages or help with college tuition is not my concern.
Dumbasses in the red states: You deserve the abuse you have garnered.
the Barbizon Modeling School graduates on MSNBC
Who needs them? We all speak English and are perfectly capable of understanding what Kerry said today and every day. Great speech.
Bush, on the other hand...
Let's try to understand the Bush argument for "staying the course".
So here we have a quarterback who in the game has managed to fumble twice, has been intercepted five times, has been sacked for a safety, hasn't put a point on the board, and has left the team down three touchdowns in the fourth quarter. And for every problem he's blamed his offensive line.
What do you do? Why stay the course by all means!
elkal - How about letting Iraqi firms participate in rebuilding their own country?
Amen... I don't understand why the trolls are so ready to have their tax dollars go as "gubmint welfare" to Bechtel and Halliburton but not Iraqi companies?
And just finished the late evening news (in case you need more insight from the future)... elections in Indonesia... pleas on al Arabiya by the Brits for someone to drop a dime on the hostage takers... and PM Singh tells Tony Blair that India won't send troops to Iraq, though they'll train their police back in India. 3 minutes to Tuesday.
You are welcome. I can't stand to watch Bush for the simple fact that I can't follow what he is saying. He gets on one track and then he will say "ya see" or "look" and I know he's going to go on a rant.
"The first and most fundamental mistake was the President’s failure to tell the truth to the American people".
Ka-pow! The gloves are off...
Kerry said EVERYTHING we've been asking him to say on Iraq/terror with Straight Talk
He called Bush incompetent which is so TRUE !
How can anyone say they don't know where Kerry stands? They are not listening.
A Great Speech! A presidential speech.
New slogan for Bush/Cheney campaign:
Americans-Everybody hates you and we don't care!
http://www.criterionco.com/asp/r...on=essay&
page=1
"As Fellini himself wrote in an essay-interview entitled “The Fascism Within Us”: “I have the impression that fascism and adolescence continue to be . . . permanent historical seasons of our lives . . . remaining children for eternity, leaving responsibilities for others, living with the comforting sensation that there is someone who thinks for you . . . and in the meanwhile, you have this limited, time-wasting freedom which permits you only to cultivate absurd dreams . . .” "
Sekmet-
Wonderful quote!
Call it Pseudo Fascism. Or, if you like, Fascism Lite. Happy-Face Fascism. Postmodern Fascism. But there is little doubt anymore why the shape of the "conservative movement" in the 21st century is so familiar and disturbing: Its architecture, its entire structure, has morphed into a not-so-faint hologram of 20th-century fascism.
Bush/Cheney 2004: Because Hitler Wasn't Subtle Enough
does anyone know if there is a timetable for unveiling the "L" word?
example:
what he said: "The first and most fundamental mistake was the President’s failure to tell the truth to the American people."
what he should have said: "The first and most funamental mistake was the President's LIE to the American people."
the fucker is a lying liar who lied and lied and lied some more.
cut the sugar-coated bullshit and call a lie a lie.
"Dumbasses in the red states: You deserve the abuse you have garnered."
And blimey, they sure do bloody well hate the poofters! (Gays, for all you yanks.)
Wow -- you guys are giving me chicken skin (Hawaiian for goosebumps -- whoops! Guess I just revealed my location), I haven't seen Pres. Kerry's speech, but sounds like he's finally closing!
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-HAH!!!!
Don't forget to watch him tonite on Letterman.
Oh, and please, Mr. Pres. Almost, do NOT sigh during the debates or roll your eyes, okay? Otherwise you'll do great!!!
The Bush Underwear Gnome Plan for Iraq
Step 1: Invade Iraq.
Step 2: ummm...
Step 3: Democracy in Iraq!!!
If you accept it as true that Bush's plan for Iraq doesn't differ from Kerry's, then you should vote for the person who you think can best execute it. Based on the current situation, Bush is incompetent. He has been called so by a senator in his own party. He seems to expect an election to work like magic--any kind of election, even one that shuts out millions of eligible voters. Why on earth should we expect magic at this milestone any more than we found at many others (Mission Accomplished, capture of Hussein, transfer of sovereignty)? It reminds me of the joke where two professors are looking doubtfully at another professor's long, complex equation. In the middle of it the author has written "A miracle occurs."
There is NO VALUE in consistent failure.
and lack of faith in the mission,
Man: Lord, i was your most faithful servent, I prayed to you with perfect confidence in your love that you would save me, and yet you let me drown!
God: WHAT DO YOU MEAN, I SENT THREE BOATS
All of your criticisms of my post are fine, but they missed the point. I don't think Kerry's proposals are bad ideas, I think they are empty rhetoric.
Of course we should get other countries on our side. How exactly, does Kerry expect to do this? His brilliant negotiating skills?
As for the U.K. pulling out troops: are you kidding me? Where did you hear that?
for the record, I expect us to start pulling out troops after the january elections. There's no justification for keeping them there after that, unless the government of Iraq wants them there.
As for the benefits thing- no absolutely not do you give the people of iraq jobs, healthcare, etc. That's for iraq to create for itself. A good start would be to mandate that all US company's operating there have 50% iraqi employees. That would be a good start, and I can't for the life of me figure out why they don't do this. Of course, Kerry isn't saying this, is he?
This war was basically inevitable, given the situation before even 2001. For Kerry to suggest otherwise is a lie to his supporters. I he thought it was a mistake, then why the hell did he vote for it? Because he was playing politics.
If you guys are all against the war, why didn't you nominate Howard Dean? At least he had integrity. This guy shifts with the political winds.
And to the genius who
Exactly what they told us during the Vietnam War, Stanzel -- only if we'd listened, the war would have gone on another umpteen years and another ten thousand troops would have died.
Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.
About the U.K. troops, I found it:
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/
i...1308007,00.html
But it isn't a cut by a third, only a particular unit of 5000 is cut by a third, and that's part of a troop rotation. there are 8000 troops total.
If you are calling this a withdrawl, then we've withdrawn troops too.
THEY CALL ME PASTABAGEL
Reminds me of Betty Bowers' bumper sticker:
"Don't Change Horsemen in the Middle of an Apocalypse."
Everything they say is a lie or distorted enought that it is, really, functionally speaking and among adults, a lie. Yes Britain is trying to sneak out, looking at a projected reduction, although the only troops withdrawing are the---yes, not anything important, just the COMBAT ELEMENT. Right. From the Guardian article linked above:
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Currently there are 8,000 British troops in the 14,000-strong 'multinational division' in southern Iraq, which has responsibility for about 4.5 million people.
The cuts will occur in the combat elements of the deployment - the 5,000-strong infantry and armoured brigade that is committed to the provinces of Basra and Maysan. Four Royal Navy ships will remain in the Gulf.
However, the incoming force will leave its heavy armour, mainly Challenger tanks, behind, but will be equipped with a unit of Warrior armoured troop carriers.
Senior officers say the scaling back of the British commitment in Iraq is a sign of their success in keeping order and helping reconstruction. But both Basra and Maysan have seen heavy combat recently, with some units sustaining up to 35 per cent casualties, and remains restive. The al-Mahdi army, which was responsible for most of the fighting, remains heavily armed.
'Whatever they say, fewer troops mean less capability,' a military expert told The Observer . 'You need as many boots on the ground as you can get for low-intensity warfare and peace-keeping operations.'
"
Some people call it flip-flopping. I call it learning from mistakes.
Drunkee, like anthing could get through the incredibly thick barrier of stupidty around the head of the fratboy coward.
He does not care how many people die for his war in Iraq, on either side. They're not actual people to him, be they Iraqi, American, or ally. They're all peasants whose lives are expended to amuse him.
He's a fucking monster, and his followers are cretins.
Gary Frazier
Nail....head...well hit.
Even in the 200 campaign, just seeing the sociopathic dweeb on Letterman, during a commercial break look around for something to wipe his glasses clean, see an assistent of Letterman leaning over his deska and grab her sweater without asking, as if it were his kingly right. She was SO obviously a peasant to him.
That one little vignette sealed it for me. Can you imagine anyone you admire or think well of doing that?
He has a scrumpled up little black soul. He didn't stand a chance actually, with parents like George Sr. and Barbara, and that silver spoon and that cold Bush manner...no wonder he's all screwed up. I would feel sorry for him, in any other circumstances, except it is truly hard when he willy-nilly just causes pain and death, and really just plain doesn't give a shit. Like all that suffering...like the arrogance to decide he didn't need to even try to understand what he was getting into. Hell the man has advisers up the yin-yang, he didn't need to even really do readin' or anythin HARD for gods sake...just fucking listen to a few of the folks that hadn't drunk the coolaid and see if they made sense with their warnings. But nope...the dope just wants to puff up and make important decisions...he wants to play without paying, without doing the actual WORK of being a leader.
He isn't a leader, and it is scary that we are so quickly (so many of us) fooled by swagger.
Form has replaced substance in almost everything.
This is the age where people like Rumsfeld "takes responsibility" for torture of Iraqi prisoners, without any advers effects AND IT IS ACCEPTED.
Nobody in the Bush administration is accountable. He can claim things are better in Iraq at the same time as he claims the bad things there are all because the fighters there "want Kerry to win"... and no one says "wait just a second there..."
Cheney can basically make up any batshit thing that pops into his head and sneak off to his undisclosed location....
What a world. Maybe it IS time to laugh even though this is damn serious.
As I predicted, or prognisticated, or mumbled during a seance or trance, Bush,aware of this is gonna jerk the rug out from under Kerry's attacks on his Iraq policy. And then, good 'ol amnesia kicks in to erase all the crimes and treason leading up to the war. And then on to Iran!
Gott in Himmel! I hope the smirk-in-chief isn't re-selected! I've followed this election much to closely for my own good.
But Bush and the ilk keep up an optimistic narrative! That's all that matters.
Pastabagel - The US has specifically targeted the water supply and electrical grid for destruction in Iraq. You specifically target for destruction the old Iraqi currency (because you get in a snit over whose face is on the bills). Now that you've ripped the economy to shreds and made sure it has to be rebuilt from scratch by GE and Bechtel and Halliburton and american mercenaries, all you have for the conquered is "maybe 50% of jobs" on US projects and tell 'em it's not our responsibility to help rebuild your economy and give you jobs and electricity and water.
To paraphrase the old man talking to Jeb Bush in the aftermath of Hurricane Ivan, "you can't be patient when you don't have water!"
Perhaps Kerry should put a CFL-like rule in to place that limits the number of imports (for specialist players). Maybe 5% or less and leave 95% of the jobs to locals, which also dries up the pool of foreign civilians that are targets of kidnappings.
"Our troops deserve better than to hear Kerry's campaign pushing pessimism and lack of faith in the mission,"
[Lord Vader]"I find your lack of faith distirbing Admiral."[/Lord Vader]
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