I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
WAR IS PEACE
Let me vent:
[ expletives deleted ]
Thank you.
Makes my widdle head hurt. 
Nice touch with the two faces.
FYI - For those who haven't seen them, the pictures of the PHL Drinking Liberally event are here.
(Click on picture to enlarge.)
Bushspeak...Kerry voted for MY war.
Sullivan has an interesting piece up - saying that if Bush is re-elected, he might wind up having to take responsibility for the cluster-fuck in Iraq, maybe the first time in his misbegotten life he has to take responsibility for something.
If Kerry inherits it, he inherits a mess - and of course the right will try to stick him with the blame for Bush's original screw-up.
It's just like I've been telling my Republican friends: A vote for John Kerry is actually a vote for George Bush.
But diplomacy failed.
He should be asked "How exactly did diplomacy fail?"
I'm a California Democrat and mostly liberal too... and my son is in the Army.
When will the Bush twins (or any Bush clan member) sign up and serve in the military? Huh?
Bet all you far-too-right republicans are thinking "He was so stupid to join the military now."
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Heh. This arguing with myself is actually pretty fun!
Honestly, if the collective "We" vote for this fool, we probably deserve every bad thing that will happen. There is a choice. A clear choice and it is up to you to make that choice Kerry. Whatever you think of him as a person, he looks like George Washington compared to George Bush
He forgot to say it was a vote for a peice of Iraq.
Send the Chimp back where he came from.
And I don't mean Texas... because he didn't. We just enabled him.
OT -- Google News front page right now has DailyKos article on TANG memo forgeries -- "It was ROVE"
I remember the last press conference he had with Kofi Anan, probably a year ago, when he said Iraq refused to let the weapons inspectors in and Kofi's eyes bugged out.
This administration sets policy like Bush talks, out of his ass.
Bush is angry with Kerry because he's led a life where people have prevented him from getting too deep into messes like this, or at the very least bailed him out. Well, GWB, your bailout's coming.
i'm so phucking confused
Watch the language, Atrios, or the guvmint will declare Eschaton to be a porn site.
Love the two-face graphic, will we see that with every post?
Shit, I can't get javascript to work at Salon blogs. I must have my coder's head up my ass.
The whole "diplomacy failed" thing is totally laughable. It was transparently clear to the most causal of observers that the Bush diplomacy effort was completely directed toward getting a UN rubber stamp on his war of agression and not getting Saddam to comply to UN resolutions. I can't imagine why an organization founded to promote peace didn't violate its own charter and rubber stamp georgies war.
1. Why didn't our candidate's advisors identify this some time ago?
2. "But diplomacy failed." I guess this is technically true, not that most americans will recognize that its failure was due to Chimp&Co.
Goddamned fucking lying piece of shit maladministration. I so plan on voting for Kerry and so do my DEAD mother and father. I'm that desperate to see this nightmare end.
Junior,and this current reality, remind me so much of the Omen trilogy.It is very very disturbing the connections reality has to that series of movies.
Martin Buber:
He who prefers the lie to the truth and chooses it instead of truth intervenes directly with his decision into the decisions of the world conflict. But this takes effect in the very first instance at just his point of being; since he gave himself over to the being-lie, that is to non-being, which passes off as being, he falls victem to it. He effects factually a downfall of being. The sould pledges itself to the truth or the lie. Human truth is a verification by man's being true.
diplomacy did not fail....
HE NEVER GAVE IT A FUCKING CHANCE!!!
The sad part is that nobody cares anymore that Bush is giving the game away. That is, he's all but admitting that everybody knew his "vote for peace" BS was, in late 2002, just that: BS. In fact, didn't MMfA report that Fred Barnes is saying exactly that?
Anonymous @ 5:04 - do give yourself some sort of name & phony e-mail addy. 3/4 of the trolls that hit the site post as Anonymous.
Thanks
If Bush had been honest, voting for the resolution would have helped keep the peace. The U.N. responded by getting inspections going. If Bush had waited until they actually found WMDs we would still be at peace and know Saddam was disarmed.
Bush lied to us about a matter of life and death.
Bush's trouble with reality is well established you know. And if you're real bored, you can watch George's fluffers try to deny it.
Or you could watch college football on a Thursday night.
Can I get an amen?
Owwwwwwwwie.
I'm surprised you wrote that without getting confused.
Good job.
Well, let's see:
On the "use of force" vote, Bush says war is peace.
When honest criticism is raised in Iraq, Bush says the truth weakens our troops and we have to not say anything bad about what happens to avoid emboldening our enemy, so clearly he is suggesting that ignorance is strength.
And he tells us that a foreign imposed dictatorial government with vast emergency powers, to have its handpicked successor validated by voting only in areas it itself deems "safe" is "liberation" -- so freedom really must be slavery.
But it would be shrill to suggest that this administration is "Orwellian".
If Bush had been honest, voting for the resolution would have helped keep the peace.
The problem here is that the fratboy coward seems to be congenitally incapable of telling the truth at any time. He simply cannot do it.
Kerry has explained his vote many times. Anyone with half a brain can tell the difference between authorizing the use of force and compelling the use of force. (Suppose Congress declared war but the President chose not to wage the war that would be grounds for impeachment would it not?)(While I digress, suppose McClellan had won the election of 1864 but the Republicans had retained the Congress.) The worst case that can be made against Kerry was that he did not have the foresight or fortitude to see Bush as lying and incompetant (as some others did) at voted for the resonable argument that the threat of force might prevent war. The choice comes down to this: vote for Bush the guy who lied and fucked up or Kerry the guy who gave him the benefit of the doubt. If that brands Kerry as the lesser-of-two-evils in some peoples eyes so be it. That is a distinction with a huge magrin.
That was good. That was VERY good. Bush = flip-flop? Bush said it was a vote for peace. Now he claims it was a vote for war! Which is it, George? Was it to authorize force, or to USE it?
Should not Kerry now really zero in on the cost of this Iraqi disaster?
I mean we must be up to £200 billion by now. How long before Bush is asking for more money? And where has all this money gone, apart form into Big Dick's bank.
One of the reasons why it is failing in Iraq, is because Bush's puppet masters are getting rich off the back of this mess.
How long before Bush is asking for more money?
41 days.
(and the Pentagon's spending its emergency fund until then)
Look, this is very simple. Diplomacy worked just fine. Saddam allowed the UN weapons inspectors into the country, they were doing their work quite effectively, had only minor complaints about access. Their major complaint was that all the leads given to them by the U.S. turned out to be horseshit.
This is extremely simple:
Iraq did not have any banned weapons.
Iraq was in fact in compliance with the UN resolutions. The inspectors did find some missiles which could be construed as having a range exceeding the 90 mile limit, although that was debatable, but in any case, the Iraqis immediately began to destroy them all, without even a single day's argument.
They found no evidence of nuclear, chemical or biological weapons, or programs or facilities to manufacture any. That is because there weren't any. The inspections worked. Diplomacy worked. Bush invaded anyway.
That is what happened. Period. No ambiguity. To say that Saddam was not complying with UN resolutions and the Security Council would not enforce it's own resolutions and therefore "we" had to invade is a fabrication with no basis in reality. It is a lie.
end of story.
Hey Dre,
Here's your guy, in his own words. Spin this if you can. Flip-Flop.
Dec 14, 2001- He told CNN's Larry King: "I think we clearly have to keep the pressure on terrorism globally. This doesn't end with Afghanistan by any imagination. And I think the president has made that clear. I think we have made that clear. Terrorism is a global menace. It's a scourge. And it is absolutely vital that we continue, for instance, Saddam Hussein."
In the Democratic presidential primary debate May 3, 2003, he said: I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein, and when the president made the decision, I supported him, and I support the fact that we did disarm him."
On Jan. 11 of this year, NBC'S Tim Russert asked Kerry: "You said this about Howard Dean, and this is, I think, at the core of your candidacy against Howard Dean.' ... those who believe we are not safer with [Saddam Hussein's] capture don't have the judgment to be President, or the credibility to be elected President.
Last Month - asked by a group of reporters.“knowing what we know now," would he have voted to give the president the authority to go to war in Iraq.
"Yes, I would have voted for the authority," said Kerry. "I believe it was the right authority for a president to have."
Yesterday - "Yet today, President Bush tells us that he would do everything all over again, the same way. How can he possibly be serious?" asked Kerry at New York University. "Is he really saying to Americans that if we had known there were no imminent threat, no weapons of mass destruction, no ties to al-Qaida, the United States should have invaded Iraq? My answer is resoundingly no because a commander in chief's first responsibility is to make a wise and responsible decision to keep America safe."
RLS doesn't know the difference between the authority to do something and actually doing it.
On 9/19/02 at a photo op/interview in the oval office (http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/09/
20020919-1.html), right after repeatedly saying "keep the peace," he responds to the following question:
Q Will regime change be part of it?
THE PRESIDENT: Yes. That's the policy of the government.
So, he's arguing for peace and sneaking in a "Aww, hell. You know were gonna kick his ass," at the end.
This is clearly what is meant by the old slogan,
"Fighting for Peace is Like Fucking For Virginity".
And of course 'diplomacy' did not fail as weapons inspectors were let in - read this about Bush's ongoing tall tales by Robert Parry - and Parry's book about GWB and Co. sounds very interesting as well:
http://www.consortiumnews.com/Pr...004/
092304.html
"... one seemingly small but almighty important point he learns, if he does much speechifying, is that you can win over folks to your point of view much better in the evening, when they are tired out from work and not so likely to resist you, than at any other time of day.
Zero Hour, Berzelius Windrip."
"Sure, we all knew in October what this vote was really for, and Kerry should have too. But, it wasn't what Bush said."
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Bush betrayed the nation's trust. Kerry knows this because he first betrayed his trust. Kerry has started to make this clear, and should demand an apology from Bush point blank.
"George, you asked me to trust you to do the right thing, and I did. You've not only betrayed that trust, but are now using it to cover up your own mistakes. I can never trust you again."
Hard to mix this message (none / 0)
Photographic evidence that compassionate conservatism doesn't lie, Iraq has been freed, and democracy on its way for those islamo-savages!
If you aren't outraged, you haven't been paying attention
Yeah, baby!
Note: this has been posted on LGF here. They're flipping out of course, but please only comment if you have something intelligent to add. We don't need to increase the animosity any more than it already is.
Actual quote from Dubya: "When we talk about war, we're really talking about peace."
http://tinyurl.com/4g77a
Stop you puny resistance...weak humans
Continous War is Peace.
As I said, rls, Kerry can be faulted for giving Bush the benefit of the doubt.
It is bad judgement to give a lunatic a butcher knife, but that does not mean you should let that lunatic keep the knife.
From those quotes I don't see a flip-flop (but I really hate that shit he pulled with Dean. We ain't safer.), I see something that only a conservative could miss: Saddam should be disarmed. Something that it appears Clinton did.
Nowhere in these 'flip-flops' did I notice anything about giving the Prez carte blanche to lie and bungle his way into a quagmire. Kerry was among those in the Senate who decided to give Bush the authority -- with which comes responsiblity -- and Bush, like everything else in his miserable life, he took the authority granted to him and ran the effort into the ground.
So suck on your flip flops and look in the mirror, Bush and his cronies are the ones who got us into this mess. Simply put, they just flop.
many of us who opposed the war knew beforehand about the pnac/pax americana agenda.
kerry must have know all about this and more. i find it hard to believe that he would have been unaware of ulterior motives of neocons that would have warned him to be leary of their intentions. i find it hard to believe that he didn't know beforehand that 9/11 was being used as a pretext for iraq. with rand beers as an advisor and graham for a collegue, he probably knows more pre-war, foreign policy related, skullduggery that we are not even aware of yet.
i don't believe for a minute that kerry was mislead. or that he really held bush in good faith to carry out any promises. kerry is not a simpleton nor is he naive.
"leery", not timothy.
You know, this "vote for peace" for war doesn't even make sense as a puppet cartoon.
Yes of course Kerry's vote to authorize the war was a major failure of judgment, and a moral failure on his part. But the choice is not between Kerry and Paul Wellstone, it is between Kerry and he whose name I cannot speak. So we'll have to leave that question for the history books and deal with what must be done now. And obviously, aborting the neocon regime is essential to the future of civilization. Please save the recriminations for a brandied evening in 2005.
I think what the Republicans are saying (which is a compelling argument, in my opinion) is that you have to question the judgment of anyone who would believe what George Bush tells him.
y,
yes that is probably true, but one could argue a precedent that any president ought to be given that authority in circumstances like those whether the president at the time actually deserves the benefit of the doubt to use the authority correctly. If a president misuses the authority he will pay for it in the election which is what we hope will happen now. Kerry might have been looking out for his ability to govern if elected rather than merely his electability.
I really liked Dean and was at first disappointed by Kerry, but the more I examine his statements the better nuanced positions. I want to thank the trolls for constantly pushing these Kerry quotes that they think are flip-flops. Careful reading of what he actually said shows that he knows that governance requires than politics alone.
Just came on to the site and don't know if there have been other complaints or requests, but please, Atrios, take off the fucking ugly photo at the bottom of the entry. I can't stand to look at that bastard. Okay? Thanks!!!
Aaahhhhh. I was wondering when someone would whip out the Buber.
Bush: War=Peace
In aHUD speechBush said that "I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking about peace."
So, there you have it. War is peace. Bin Laden is Saddam. And Bush won his last election.
Sure, Bush said it was a vote for peace, but anybody who believed him was deluding themselves. I listened to Senator after Senator make hypocritical statements about why they were voting for the resolution. They were all afraid of the political consequences of not voting for it. Only a fool would vote to give Bush a blank check. Sorry, but with the exception of a few brave souls in the House and Senate they all betrayed us.
Of course if Bush were a real conservative, and respected the Constitution, he would never have asked Congress to delegate its war making responsibility to the president.
Everything Junior has ever done in his entire life has been a failure.
Will he ever admit that the invasion of Iraq by which he defines his whole presidency was the most collossal failure of all? I doubt it. *WHY* do we allow him to continue! It's never too late to start impeachment procedings! Impeach now!
OK, so Kerry windsurfs and I can't afford, I think. I guess I wouldn't mind going windsurfing, but does it really cost that much? I'm going to check it out. What gets me is why do you have a ranch with no cattle? What is the purpose of having a ranch with no cattle? Curious; why are you terrified of horses and cattle? You've lived in Texas all your life and you don't ride? I thought he rode horses, but he has none? Rides mountain bikes and takes spills. His sorry ass can't even ride a damned Segway without falling off! And he has the nerve to talk about somebody windsurfing! And that damned troll Cheney, what does his ass do? SNEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. I would say he's pretty expert at it. Is his face frozen that way? Well, at least if Kerry had to get out of the way of danger he could run. Would bush just sit there like the dumb monkey that he is and take the bullet? Lol. Maybe he would deflect it with a knife! Hehehehe!
Peace
Jazzy
Ride em cowboy!
November 2! A citizens Impeachment of George W. Bush and the whole Republican majority.
Hmmm, this sounds familiar . . .
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
-George Orwell, 1984
On Jan. 11 of this year, NBC'S Tim Russert asked Kerry: "You said this Tabout Howard Dean, .' ... those who believe we are not safer with [Saddam Hussein's] capture don't have the judgment to be President, or the credibility to be elected President.
Hey rsl,
The fact that Saddam belonged in prison and the world is better off
with him not in power, doesn't mean that the Iraq war was the wise thing to do in the middle of our war on terrorism. It was a distraction, just ask Bin Laden.
The world would also be safer without Kim Jong-il of North Korea, the Mullahs in Iran, Bashar Assad of Syria and many other dictators.
So I guess Bush should re-institute the draft and take care of all of those evil dictators, one at a time in his second term, right?
Some of those nations and leaders cooperated with international terrorists to a much greater degree and actually pose more of a threat to our national security as well as world stability. (Much more than Saddam ever could or would have even in his wildest dreams before we invaded Iraq)
Isn't failure to deal with all these nations militarily a sign of weakness? Isn't that what Bush's pre-emptive strike doctrine is all about?
Of course if Bush were a real conservative,
Will you guys cut this crap. Real conservatives have been demonizing liberals for over 30 years. Real conservatives are behind the current "movement conservatism" that is trying to control the media and destroy the Democratic party. (Or as they all say now "The Democrat Party.") Real conservatives have stood by and cheered as Bush has ruined the economy, blown up the budget, lied to us about medicare, and screwed up every stage of the Iraq war. It's time to treat the word "conservative" as the dirty word it has become.
BTW, where are the conservatives who care about the constitution outside of the 2nd amendment? They sure are not supporting the ACLU. Why aren't conservatives in the forefront in denouncing the Ashcroft roundups? How many of them are jumping down Lulu's throat for her newfound love for mass internment? I haven't heard a peep out of these conservatives.
If you enjoy getting DUPED about living in a land of MAKE BELIEVE vote for Bush.
But if you prefer living in the REAL WORLD vote for Kerry.
OK, so Kerry windsurfs and I can't afford, I think.
the gear is cheaper than a decent set of golf clubs, or all the gear, clothes, etc. that you need for snow skiing. waaay cheaper than a bass boat. and there are no greens fees or lift tickets to buy.
it's not an elitist thing, it's a living near a beach thing....
Watch the language, Atrios, or the guvmint will declare Eschaton to be a porn site.
They're just warming things up for the next 4 years, Holden.
i remember spending an entire day on a windy lake trying to stay up on the board === and i'm 15 yrs JFK's junior-- windsurfing is hard work for some..
Okay, let's not talk about if Bush were a real Conservative.
Let's talk about if he were a real American. You know, the kind of American who was brought up to understand the American system of government, the whole checks and balances thing, the amendments to the Constitution and what they mean in terms of the government's relationship to individual citizens. The sort of American who's familiar with American history, including the things we Americans have done wrong (the Spanish American War, anyone? Vietnam, anyone?). The kind of American who has respect for the natural beauty of this country and doesn't want to see it all trashed so some rich bastards can get richer off the rape of the environment.
If Bush were a real American, he wouldn't govern the way he does. He wouldn't have taken America's moment of unity after 9/11 and used it for cynical partisan gain. He wouldn't have immediately upon assuming office backed the United States out of treaties that the country had already entered into. He wouldn't have lied the country into an unnecessary war. He wouldn't have put the foxes in charge of the henhouse when it comes to the environment and to the safety of Americans. He wouldn't have equated dissent with treason. He wouldn't have used our grief and pain on 9/11 as the basis for trying to rip away our rights as Americans. He wouldn't have decided that a category of people are completely outside the law and therefore not protected by the Geneva Conventions or the U.S. Constitution.
If he were a real American, we wouldn't be in this position.
America needs a real American. Vote Kerry.
"The fact that Saddam belonged in prison and the world is better off
with him not in power, doesn't mean that the Iraq war was the wise thing to do in the middle of our war on terrorism."
--aJesusDemocrat, 7:59pm
I'd like to amplify your response.
Removing Hussein didn't happen in some insular, arbitrary bubble: the fact of the matter is that the cost of removing Hussein is measured by increased terrorism, the destruction of US credibility abroad, sparking Iraq into what appears to be the preface to civil war (with the US caught in the middle), Islamic anti-US sentiment fueled by the Abu Ghraib atrocities, tens of thousands of Iraqi deaths, over a thousand US deaths, an unwinnable war costing the US $1 billion per week, et fucking cetera. All in the name of arrogant morons grafting 'democracy' and 'freedom' onto the birthplace of civilization.
Considering the cost, and the likely ramifications, I'd say the US, the Iraqi citizenry, and the world would be a lot safer if Hussein had not been removed. At least not via the path taken by Bush, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz et al.
Hey y'all - I sent a letter to the editor of the paper of the small conservative, private university in the heart of Dallas whose Trustees are maneuvering to get the GWBush Prez Library (or "Libary," perhaps).
I work in one of the IT depts. on campus. They published my letter.
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To the Editor:
To the person or persons who scraped the “Greens for Kerry” bumper sticker off my car while it was parked near fraternity row sometime on Monday.
Since you were too cowardly to confront me directly and engage me in an adult discussion of political differences, you must realize that you have only served to confirm my assumptions about the shoddy ethics and lack of integrity of so many supporters of the current administration in Washington. Too bad.
I had to laugh at the irony, however. It seemed like just the kind of thing Dubya would have done during his “young and irresponsible” days.
I have no doubt you will continue to follow in his footsteps and perhaps even go on to destroy the environment, launch illegal invasions and lower the level of public discourse and American credibility at home and abroad. I’m sure he would be proud of you.
Cheers.
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Better start checking my tires...
Yee Haw!
On the Outer Banks of NC, there is a place called "the canadian hole". A bunch of them spend most all year wind surfing there. I have never been there, but have read a few articles about them.
Last time I was at Cape Lookout, there were a bunch of Kite surfers. Those boards move very fast.
To the Editor:
To the person or persons who scraped the “Greens for Kerry” bumper sticker off my car while it was parked near fraternity row sometime on Monday.
Since you were too cowardly to confront me directly and engage me in an adult discussion of political differences, you must realize that you have only served to confirm my assumptions about the shoddy ethics and lack of integrity of so many supporters of the current administration in Washington. Too bad.
I had to laugh at the irony, however. It seemed like just the kind of thing Dubya would have done during his “young and irresponsible” days.
I have no doubt you will continue to follow in his footsteps and perhaps even go on to destroy the environment, launch illegal invasions and lower the level of public discourse and American credibility at home and abroad. I’m sure he would be proud of you.
Cheers.
Way to Go!
Kim/Cym!
Are you at...the big red university with the neo-classical white trim? I go to the American Research Center on Egypt lectures there every so often.
Man, we need to have a North Teschaton party or something.
Kim/Cym!
Are you at...the big red university with the neo-classical white trim? I go to the American Research Center on Egypt lectures there every so often.
Man, we need to have a North Teschaton party or something.
(Ack. My first double post.)
Since all of the Bush ads have John Kerry as "flip-flopper" as their central theme, wouldn't it be real effective to show an ad that lists all of the Bush flip-flops, or as many as can be crammed into a 30 second spot? The Bush flip-flops are much more clear-cut (no nuance) than the ones they have saddled Kerry with. It just seems like this would put a stake right through the heart of the Bush smear campaign, if it was done right. I sure hope it's coming soon.
Since all of the Bush ads have John Kerry as "flip-flopper" as their central theme, wouldn't it be real effective to show an ad that lists all of the Bush flip-flops, or as many as can be crammed into a 30 second spot? The Bush flip-flops are much more clear-cut (no nuance) than the ones they have saddled Kerry with. It just seems like this would put a stake right through the heart of the Bush smear campaign, if it was done right. I sure hope it's coming soon.
Kerry supported the Prez, and the Prez took advantage of him, and everyone else, including the American people. The Prez betrayed our trust. Is that how the Prez treats his friends?
Journalists are finally starting to analyze and debunk the "flip-flop" label. There was just a story in the Washington Post, and now Marc Sandalow has a story in the San Francisco Chronicle: Kerry Flip-Flops Are Fiction (I got this link from Josh Marshall). Sandalow makes the same point that Atrios does: Bush said that voting for the resolution was not the same as voting for war.
It's too bad that it's taken this long for the media to write anything sensible about the "flip-flop" smears. Hopefully more journalists will follow in Sandalow's footsteps.
Great point Atrios.
Hey Dorothy -
The same Dallas Univ. in which our beloved 1st Stepford Lady learned to bogart her joints? Yes indeedy.
If it weren't for the petrodollars spilled onto this campus, there would be no archeology dept at all.
(ABD-Anthro-Middle East Studies-'97)
heavy sigh..
North Teschaton party- I like the sound of that. Will you be attending the 9/30/04 Kerry v.Chimpy debate watching-drinking party at Gilley's
on Lamar? Perhaps we could connect there.
To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete
truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies,
to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled
out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in
both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate
morality while laying claim to it, to believe that
democracy was impossible and that the Party was the
guardian of democracy, to forget, whatever it was
necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory
again at the moment when it was needed, and then
promptly to forget it again, and above all, to apply
the same process to the process itself-- that was the
ultimate subtlety: consciously to induce
unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become
unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just
performed. Even to understand the word "doublethink"
involved the use of doublethink.
George Orwell
Is Lou Christie still around?
Brother Moore says it nicely on his web site. Mr. President, Kerry's vote on the resolution was a vote for YOU, Mr. President. And you let us down.
I don't think we should try to hang Bush with the flip-flop label.
Everybody's got the idea that Bush will "stay the course", and "be resolute". At the same time, polls show that the majority of those asked think the country is headed in the wrong direction.
So, most people think things suck, and people think Bush won't change a thing. Makes you really want to vote for Bush, doesn't it?
He wants to be Mr. No Turning Back, and Mr. Stay the Course, let him. Most people don't like the course.
I agree with RichK. "Flip-flop" is for practical purposes copyrighted. When you juxtapose two versions of Bush, "this is resolution for peace", "Kerry voted for this war", the tag should be "Bush lied."
Lies and lying liars. No reason to abandon this theme.
If Kerry inherits it, he inherits a mess - and of course the right will try to stick him with the blame for Bush's original screw-up.
as much as it pains me to admit, that's a very valid worry I have. we all know the right will launch all-out war on kerry if/when he is elected, and unlike democrats, whether their material to attack the president is justified and genuine or merely utter garbage based on lies means nothing to them.
and we all know iraq can do nothing but get worse. there's no way this ship is turning around. when you consider outside nationals flooding into the country to fight, the poverty situation in that country, the death, there's just no way it's turning around.
I you don't suport a resolution then don't vote for it and if you do vote for it don't whine like a little girl later.
http://blogspirator.blogspot.com...trios-
goes.html
You betta check yourself before you wreck yourself, as The Blogspirator's hip-hoppin brethren say.
Check your sources once or thrice, too.
Sheesh... Hatrios cut off one quote in the middle of a paragraph. The rest laid to rest the meaning Hatriot tried to impart.
It must be some sort of newfangled decontextualized post-modern deconstructionist fad sort of thing. Come to dada!
Call me a troll if you like, I call myself a spark of light in your little sewer-tunnel of a blog.
Decontextualized, or just taken from a paragraph that contradicts itself by also saying the exact opposite thing?
It's funny, but I don't think laying out a complete thought, affirming it as your belief, and then negating it later in the same paragraph should be interpretable as always true and good because either one half or the other is true.
If you say, "this is a vote for peace, but yeah, it's a vote for war" then you might as well be held accountable for saying something that is always at least part false.
Heck, even wacko statements such as "I am male and all males are ninjas" are always part true (i.e. I'm always male)...
...but if I were to seriously say that I should be held accountable for the part that's obviously misleading, not complimented for whatever part's true.
So, I concede, Adam, that these quotes are negated by saying the exact opposite (or close to it) later in the speech. You're right. Bush also says, in his what-this-resolution-is speech, that it's a vote for war (if necessary, blah blah, ok.) But... that's not exactly a rhetorical strategy worth celebrating.
"You're an idiot, except you're not except in the remote possibility that your knowledge of rhetoric exceeds your knowledge of common sense..."
I think the story goes like this=
Bush stuck his head in a meeting by Rice with others on strategy with the U.N. and he asked her what she was doing or working on, he sadi fuck the UN, we're going in
George, consider this.
Atrios wrote:
"He claimed then it was a vote for peace. He told Congress it was a vote for peace. He then says that the vote for peace that he asked John Kerry to make was actually a vote for war."
What John Kerry voted for was called "Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq."
Here is a link to the resolution: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/r...20021002-
2.html
How the heck do you get "vote for peace" from this?
He also wrote: "Sure, we all knew in October what this vote was really for, and Kerry should have too. But, it wasn't what Bush said."
What the heck does that mean? Is Kerry too dense to know what it is he's voting for? That's about the most I could garner from that statement.
Consider some of quotes of Kerry's from the same timeframe, and you will see that his recent statements that he"urged against a rush to war" are a load of crap. In fact, he supported the goal of regime change 100%.
In fact, I challenge the whole lot of you to provide even ONE quote from Kerry where he says "rush to war" from before the Iraq conflict. If you can't, shove it, as they say.
JUST ONE.
Lying douchebag
http://blogspirator.blogspot.com...trios-
goes.html
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