I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Not that there's anything wrong with that...
These Repubs never fail to amaze me.
This is just a ploy to get an uptick in the polls. The guy is under 25%, he's gotta do something!
so because the info is on her website you feel compelled to spread it around? bad form.
I predict this stunning development will be fatal to the Alan Keyes campaign.
oh wait ...
Yeah, but what about her dad?
I may not have state-of-the-art gaydar, but I think Alan K. might be a Friend of Dorothy.
Mr. Keyes definitely needs to have a heart-to-heart with Dick Cheney.
More power to her. Too bad you can't pick your parents.
Wouldn't having a gay daughter be a positive in 'liburl state' like Illinois. Very shrewed on Keyes part I think
Yo, Atrios-
What's the deal with your archives? I just tried to look for one of your posts from this past summer but every archive link I click on produces the Bush two-face image?
Damn, holoscan hid my sarcasm tag!
Who cares? Keyes is currently polling 17% (really!). He's useful as a figure of fun and a general laughing stock, but let's not waste time discussing him, his values, or his family seriously.
How could you vote for a guy who hates his daughter? I feel bad for her.
so because the info is on her website you feel compelled to spread it around? bad form.
samlex
Yeah, why make public information more public? That could lead to people knowing things and other dangerous developments! Dogs and cats, living together, total mass hysteria...
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The paranoid in me wonders if the website's not a hoax by the Republicans, which will soon be "exposed" thus allowing the Rethuglicans to rolll their eyes every time someone brings up the issue and go "oh, you know that was a hoax."
Hey, it worked when they wanted to discredit CBS.
Boy, that Keyes fella, what a moroon, huh.
good form. I'm gay. Let it rip. her dad is a nut and made crazy comments about gay people not to mention mary cheney without mentioning that is own kin is gay.
Let it rip.
seems like she's cool enough to take it.
I agree with cervantes.
But definitely wake me when they catch Jenna or NotJenna in a girl-girl tongue-kiss in the back of some bar after eight or nine mojitos. Not for the prurience of it (heavens, no!), but for the fun of watching President Ward and First Lady June try to explain it away....
The fruit doesn't fall far from the tree. Isn't that what they use to say about Chelsea . . .
Breaking News.
Obama's lead over Keyes has grown sharply. New polls show Obama at 89% and Keyes at 9% support among likely Illinois voters.
The Illinois senate race may just hand the republican party the biggest defeat of a candidate for an open US Senate seat in US History.
Hey, why not?
so because the info is on her website you feel compelled to spread it around? bad form.
samlex
I don't think so. I can understand older gays 50 and over with what little they could understand about it available. But not her age. And not Chenny's daughter, either. Both are pure sell-outs for whatever.
Jeepers H. Christmas, that is too sweet.
So she's a lesbian. So what? Who cares?
The first thing that came to my mind was "Wow, what a beautiful girl--how sweet she and her lover look together."
Then I remembered it was evil.
"New polls show Obama at 89% and Keyes at 9% support among likely Illinois voters."
-AJesusDemocrat
Ok. I'm ready to collect. Who was the yutz who said I didn't know what I was talking about when I said 3 months ago that Obama will win in a landslide? [waiting]
At first this made me laugh, but I just looked through her posts and her girlfriends. They are pretty young and probably going to have to deal with a whole lot of shit coming their way soon.
Yes, it was reckless of her to post her blog and the pictures. Yes wearing raibow bracelets to your Dad's campaign events, is a form of rebellion. Yes, she seems to be as pro-life as her dad.
However, I don't think good will come of this.
U can never have too much donut bumpin'.
She is also a pagan of some sort! :D
"So, by candlelight, we helped them begin the ceremony by calling down the elemental spirits, and then the goddess and horned god to bless their union."
why is Keyes so quick to attack the children of others? Why is he so virulently anti-homosexual? Why does it seem that every high-profile anti-gay figure has a gay child?
Cause the queers is everywhere, I tell ya. That's because the liberals have forced their homo agenda so hard that good *christians* are falling into the evils of man-on-dog sex and all the rest.
Daddy-W, protect all our tykes,
Except for the queers and the dykes.
They can go it alone,
They'll have to atone,
For doing shit that the good Lord dislikes.
I don't know. I say who cares? you can't pick your parents. It's not her fault her old man is a nut-case.
If she's not part of the campaign I say leave her alone. Just think of the thanksgiving dinners she has to endure. Can you imagine being trapped in a room with Keyes for hours at a time?
I think that the Illinois Republican Party did everyone in America a favor by selecting Keyes to run against Obama. Hopefully eveyone in the country now knows what kind of a nut Keyes really is. This will be Keyes last race for public office. Thank you IL GOP.
It's not only "public" (with scare quotes), but PUBLIC (as in giant neon sign).
And, uh, I'd hit it.
There, I outed myself as a lesbian.
Mickey,
The point isn't that we care, the point is that her father cares. Gay bashers with gay relatives are fair game.
Just to clarify:
I meant the gay basher is fair game, not the gay relative.
Shorter Alan Keyes:
It's your family's private life that should be judged, not mine.
Come to think of it, that may be a plank in the Republican platform.
Does Keyes have a son, and can I see pics of him kissing? Those type of pics make me hot, and make me think of my dog.
Good god, what next? Is Alan gonna go all Nancy-Boy? Throw himself into a mosh pit?
According to a The New Republic and Chicago Media, the Dupage County Repugs wrote off the Senate camapaign against Obama. Keyes's wing-nuttery was suppose to appeal to Repub base in Iowa, Missouri, Kentucky, Wisconsin, Indiana
by using the Illinois campaign money in cross market media buys. Guess Rove and Delay helped push this regional "strategy".
Keyes has little media presence in Chicagoland. But now that he is a national joke I say the rest of the strategy is going to fail as well.
Keyes is destroying the rest of Rpublican Party in this state. With all the job loss in Dupage County he has no plan to deal with Outsourcing.
He does not even think it is an issue.
She's cute, and so's her girlfriend. They make a good couple.
But for all the homophobes out there, it's okay, because according to her dad, they can't really have sex, since only heterosexuals can have sex by definition.
Now if that's the case, then what's the hubub?
I pity her having a crazy dad like that, but if she's out and out there helping her dad's campaign, knowing his positions (i.e. psycho rantings), then something stinks.
.
It's not her fault that her father is a batshit crazy nutcase. I feel sorry for her -- NOT HIM THOUGH.
"So she's a lesbian. So what? Who cares?"
Well, her father, presumably, since he's a virulently homophobic Senate candidate.
If his -own daughter- is a member of a group he vehemently and caustically reviles, well...does he really believe what he's saying? And if he does, is he saying it for personal and not policy reasons?
Maya Keyes isn't the issue; if she's out and happy, more power to her. It's about her father, and whether he really supports policies and beliefs that would harm his daughter. And if he does, why?
I'd love to hear someone say, "Senator Santorum, your statements about men and dogs says far more about your proclivities, than it does about the nature of gay relationships."
Can someone please please say that to him.
If she's not part of the campaign I say leave her alone.
She is part of the campaign, four legs good. She postponed entry into college so she could campaign with Daddy.
so because the info is on her website you feel compelled to spread it around? bad form.
Yeah! I outed myself on my website, and Atrios has yet to spread that around. Double standards! I cry foul!!
If only my dad was a crazy homophobe running for public office!
Steve M.
President Eddie Haskell, you mean.
feeling smug?
don't.
remember that it only takes one moron like this guy to cancel out your vote:
"Benjamin was a real good kid, but beyond that, he understood the true reason for this conflict, and he supported it wholeheartedly," said his father, Robert Isenberg, a U.S. Army lieutenant colonel. "I'm very proud of him."
Robert Isenberg said he believes that his son's death is part of God's plan, that his son "is where he is supposed to be."
"It's the ultimate sacrifice to lose your son, but it has not changed my view," he said. "This is not a war between the U.S. and Iraq. This is a spiritual war that going on. That's something that non-Christians can't understand."
I seriously doubt this will affect the outcome of this lopsided contest, so why bother posting this?
Wonder if Keyes will come in 3rd? I'd like to see Jerry Kohn come in 2nd just for the novelty of his name being a dyslexic version of John Kerry. And is someone chronicling Lime Rickey? His stuff is too good to be lost forever.
is the pagan hedonist voting for kerry?
That's because the liberals have forced their homo agenda so hard that good *christians* are falling into the evils of man-on-dog sex and all the rest.
Oh come on! Man-on-dog sex is _so_ 2003! I hear that this year they're doin' box turtles!
so because the info is on her website you feel compelled to spread it around? bad form
Some people are in dire need of a perspective transplant.
Last week I put up an image of Valerie Plame on our blog, a photo that had been taken at a very public event which had also already been published by The Hill. Yet I still received a critical e-mail from reader who thought it was "bad form" to circulate her likeness.
Like I said, some people are in dire need of a perspective transplant.
doubt this'll make a difference to anyone here in my little vortex of conservative hypocrisy-land.. LOTS of Keyes yard signs out in my neighborhood,(Champaign area)
Barack means "blessed"
How much more blessed can he be in his US Senate run? This is unbelievable.
Yo, joshowitz -
That Bush Boom you found belonged to someone else.
Let me know if mine turns up, would ya'?
Every conservative I have ever known loves girl-on-girl porn. But God Damn those homos!
Hey,
What's your folk's problem? Alan Keyes is staying the course. It's what a good Republican does.
so because the info is on her website you feel compelled to spread it around? bad form.
Dear $DEITY, why do you stupid people not just go away?
WHAT ELSE THAN PUTTING YOUR INFO ON A PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE WEBSITE IS "SPREADING IT AROUND"?
Or do you think being a lesbian is something to be ashamed of?
But definitely wake me when they catch Jenna or NotJenna in a girl-girl tongue-kiss in the back of some bar after eight or nine mojitos.
What if they caught Jenna and Barbara in a girl-girl tongue-kiss in the back of some bar? 
Well, whatever.
Keyes is a joke who's going to lose anyway. I still say who cares.
I mean really, a republican who's a hypocrite? That's news? I think not.
"This is a spiritual war that going on. That's something that non-Christians can't understand."
-Anal Roberts
I'm not sure about that. Does he realize that Al Queda understands it completely?
Idiot!
Off topic... but Jimmy Carter is now warning of potential election problems in Florida. Read about if here.
what if they caught Chimpy in a "private conference" with the ambassador to Poland?
What if they caught Jenna and Barbara in a girl-girl tongue-kiss in the back of some bar?
Dave in NYC
How's this?
She looks happy and self-assured in those pictures anyway. And she had an anti-Nero button as well. So she turned out okay, in spite of her nutjob dad.
I hope people don't feel that it's necessary to use her as a weapon against her father's disaster of a campaign. As far as I know, she hasn't tried to exploit the gay community on behalf of a virulently anti-gay beer company, or some such thing. Like someone else's lesbian daughter...
So I'd rather not go that route in this case. It's not even politically expedient, since Keyes is on track to fail so dramatically anyway.
Know that early Christians burned Rome to try and provoke Armageddon? Which the Christian Dominionist are once again trying to do? Know that the Roman Empire existed pre-eminent for a thousand years and homosexuality was commonplace but only with the ascendancy of Christian Emperors did Rome begin to decline? Know why monotheistic fundamentalism results in a decline of any civilization? It's because there begins a lack of separation of reason and faith. That's what led to what we now see with Islam in the Middle East and eventually in newer areas of monotheism in Asia. They were the most advanced society on the planet at their zenith. But then became fearful of ideas and knowledge that was none too supportive of their faith and they began to turn inward mostly with aggressive violence. Eventually, they enforced the belief that anything anyone should every know or was required was contained in their religious text.
America will decline now after the Iraqi War. America is an idea. We lost the idea of America to this administration. The idea of Islamism is winning. You can't fight ideas with bombs.
According to her blog, she did not want to become part of the public debate. In addition, life with daddy can't be too easy, and it sounds like she's having difficulties on that front. Finally, she talks about possibly getting college funds revoked because of her sexuality.
So spreading this information around the political blogosphere (and potentially the mainstream press) has the power to destroy their family and her life. I'd rather not do that for political reasons or for a chuckle at the irony of the situation.
Besides, Keyes is going to lose in a landslide, so what's the point?
America could have won had Bush not been in there....
IT'S ALL NIXON'S FAULT!!!!!
Cynthia Nixon.
News Flash! Republicans are hipocrits.
(I know that she claims to be voting for nader. This could easily be a smokescreen to divert young and hip votes away from Kerry into the Nader bucket. Republicans have supproted nader to dilute the left's vote elsewhere. Why not here as well? Alternatively: She's just a silly twit.)
Similar to what Sen. Kennedy said about Bush being in there during the Cuban Missle Crisis.
As a gay man, I'm 100% behind any attempts to call friends and family that support people like Alan Keyes into accountability. Saying "I love my father, even if he thinks I'm a selfish hedonist" is different from saying "I support fully my father's run for election..."
mmmmmmm, box turtles.
CNN Poll:
Is there time to make Iraq safe enough for free and fair elections in January?
Yes
No
No is kicking Allawibutt.
"America could have won had Bush not been in there...."
-Incognito
I'm not sure about that. Sure, I admit here that I made a few mistakes but there are forces out there that are larger than myself. I just happen to cater to them because they can get me re-elected. I guarantee that the Christian Coalition, the NeoCons, and the Heritage Foundation have plans to keep up the good fight once I am gone.
The anti-abortion garbage makes her sound like a really stupid cunt. She and her father deserve each other.
According to her blog, she did not want to become part of the public debate.
Maintaining a public face by writing herself publicly about being a lesbian AND CAMPAIGNING FOR HER NUTCASE FATHER seems to be counterproductive somehow.
In addition, life with daddy can't be too easy, and it sounds like she's having difficulties on that front. Finally, she talks about possibly getting college funds revoked because of her sexuality.
By whom? By Atrios? By me?
Or rather by her idiot religiously-challenged parents?
So spreading this information around the political blogosphere (and potentially the mainstream press) has the power to destroy their family and her life.
Probably her family. So what?
She can walk away and be better of because of it. She'll be fine. Maybe she'll even lose the "Abortion is Lynching" idiocy some time.
I'd rather not do that for political reasons or for a chuckle at the irony of the situation.
Why not?
in the back of some bar after eight or nine mojitos
Please don't tell me the mojito has become the next cosmopolitan (e.g. the drink of the fey/postmodern/tragically hip).
Point of political taxonomy:
It is no longer the Republican Party. It’s the Falwellian Party
WASHINGTON — The Rev. Jerry Falwell boasted Friday that evangelical Christians, after nearly 25 years of increasing political activism, now control the Republican Party and the fate of President Bush in the November election.
"The Republican Party does not have the head count to elect a president without the support of religious conservatives," Falwell said at an election training conference of the Christian Coalition.
Falwell said evangelical Christians are now "by far the largest constituency" within the Republican Party, their route to dominance beginning in 1979 with his founding of the Moral Majority, a precursor to the Christian Coalition.
"I tell my Republican friends who are always talking about the 'big tent," I say make it as big as you want to, but if the candidate running for president is not pro-life, pro-family ... you're not going to win," he added.
Hey, pass Felix Deutsch the wok.
'Cause he's cookin'.
Keyes has no chance to win, so I don't see the point in bringing this up. There's no reason to drag his daughter's sexuality into this. That's what Republicans do.
In case anyone was wondering, I'm a lesbian trapped in the body of a man.
You're all a bunch of idiots. There's no such thing as lesbians. Ladies can't have sex with each other because they don't have little soldiers.
Falwell is dead right, bo.
People like Susan Collins, Olympia Snowe, John McCain, Richard Lugar,ad naseum, need to shit or get off the pot.
In case anyone was wondering, I'm a lesbian trapped in the body of a man.
commie atheist
Funny, I always figured you for a practicing heterosexual.
You're all a bunch of idiots. There's no such thing as lesbians. Ladies can't have sex with each other because they don't have little soldiers.
The interwebnet thingy tells me otherwise.
That's what Republicans do.
Jason Hartley
I'm crying in ma beer.
10 seconds of search on google yields:
http://www.renewamerica.us/
archi...prior+to+speech
Wow!
Following the above OT link about Carter's concerns about voting in Florida is this BBC story. This is a BIG deal. The WORLD is indeed watching.
If W were to win, the USA will have no friends in the Free World (and few even in the not-free world).
In case anyone was wondering, I'm a lesbian trapped in the body of a man.
commie atheist
That's a tired 80? year-old statement from an ornamental machismo heterosexualist culture but I don't care most straight males are homophobic, we're all in this together.
The irony is that this will probably increase his poll numbers.
Billmon is back! Right on.
Geez, Obama really does lead Keyes in the latest poll by 51 percentage points.
Ouch! Now if only the humiliating defeat would shut the nutcase up for good. Too much to hope for, I know.
NYerinPhila--
DON'T post long URLs.
It messes up the comments.
Use tinyurl.com.
The Supreme Falwellian hard at work
Link here
........
Also, some churches and pastors try to cleverly skirt IRS rules that prohibit churches from endorsing or opposing individual candidates or using church resources for political campaigns. Thursday's appearance of the Rev. Jerry Falwell at Central Christian was a case in point.
Mr. Falwell didn't specifically endorse President Bush by name, but he all but did. He identified two "main issues" for Christians -- constitutional bans on gay marriage and abortion -- and said that deciding whom to support for president was a "no-brainer."
.............
In other words, voting for Bush is a No-brainer’s descision.
I'm sorry but I just love this. this is no accident. I know dykes and she is OUT on purpose. she knew this would happen. She's being a little activist. all there is to it.
Of course she's a lesbian. What did Alan Keyes expect when he named her Maya?
"But Alan Keyes is making sense!"
Say those who come to his defense.
They can say whatever they like,
But clearly Alan made a dyke.
Keyes has no chance to win, so I don't see the point in bringing this up. There's no reason to drag his daughter's sexuality into this. That's what Republicans do.
Because of this story Atrios is trying to elect Obama with 81% of the vote rather than 78%. Fortunately, this story (highlighted here or on dkos) will make no difference in this race.
________________
Meanwhile, in other news:
Carter, in the WaPost today, had some interesting things to say about Florida's election situation - he predicts a repeat of 2000 and blasts JEB Bush good.
There is also a reminder from AP that the next POTUS will pick a hundreds of federal judges and likely 2 or 3 SCOTUS Justices.
Naw, it is more interesting to talk about girls kissing.
commie atheist - You and Eddie Izzard. He always has said that he is a transvestite lesbian, 'cause he likes to dress like a woman but he likes sex with women too.
Her website is getting scrubbed pre-Senate run. Links to her site are getting removed.
"But Alan Keyes is making sense!"
Say those who come to his defense.
They can say whatever they like,
But clearly Alan made a dyke.
"There's no reason to drag his daughter's sexuality into this. That's what Republicans do."
Ever notice that they now control the House, the Senate and the Presidency? By all means we should take the high road because we enjoy getting our balls stomped on.
I just read the story about Carter delivering the verbal beatdown to Florida.
And I don't give a rat's ass if Alan Keyes daughter is gay or not. I do care if Alan Keys is, as most republicans do, holding everyone else to a higher standard or attacking others in a hypocrical way.
Well, whenever anyone talks about how bad the Swift Boat Vet lies are, the usual smug Repub response is "well, John Kerry made Vietnam the center of his campaign.." The implication being that therefore everything's fair game.
Well, sauce for the goose, fuckers. Alan Keyes made homophobia a central issue in his campaign, so all's fair, especially the truth. Right?
Her website is getting scrubbed pre-Senate run. Links to her site are getting removed.
True. I just looked, and the entry with the photos is gone.
EXCLUSIVE TO ECOAST! MUST CREDIT ECOAST!!
NOVAK OUTS ANOTHER CIA AGENT!!!
Okay, okay, it is not that dramatic. But it looks like Novak outed a CIA briefer-on-background today, just because he wrote that pessimistic CIA estimate.
Novak - Is CIA at war with Bush?
Well, obviously Alan Keyes hates his daughter...
17% is too high for someone that doesn't love his own daughter.
eocoast-
Always happy to give you mad props, as you deserve it.
Novak tried to indemnify himself, here:
This was not from a CIA retiree but an active senior official. (Pillar, no covert operative, is listed openly in the Federal Staff Directory.)
ecoast,
this administration is dysfunctional, to say the least.
i especially like it when Powell and Rummy completely contradict one another, but they say that they are in agreement with each other.
And here's a great article by a former Air Force Lt. Col. where she calls George W. a seagul.
What do you expect from the Party of "Do As I Say, Not As I Do."
Bottom line: these homophobes need to mind their own goddamn business.
Someone who's that concerned with what goes on in other people's bedrooms have REAL problems and are in DIRE need of lives!
The one morning I didn't read the Sun Times on my way to work. Is Novak at war with George Bush? He sure likes to stir the pot at CIA.
What I will never understand is how Dickhead Cheney could let Keyes badmouth his daughter and say nothing.
Had that been MY child, I would've gone Harry Truman on Alan's sorry ass!
Dickhead's telling the wrong people to go fuck themselves, and Alan's problem is that he probably hasn't been laid since Reagan was in office.
For what it's worth, my take on these blog posts is that she's fair game for fellow bloggers, but if I were a "real" journalist, I wouldn't bother to print this with Keyes so far down in the dumpster. He's being killed on the issues - why drag in his family/hypocrisy issues. On the other hand, if it was a close race with Keyes out there gay-baiting, I'd run with it. But all other things being equal - which they never are - if silly stuff like this is going to become public, I'd like to keep it on Dr. Phil, where it belongs.
"so because the info is on her website you feel compelled to spread it around? bad form."
And the RePUKEs wouldn't do that?
Get real!
Zell Looserman in USN&R via Wonkette:
Former vice presidential nominee Joe Lieberman says, "I disagree with Senator Kerry's look back" at his earlier views on Iraq. Lieberman says he doesn't quibble with Kerry's call for a multilateral approach but suggests that there isn't that much original in the pitch. "I don't find much difference between what he is proposing and what President Bush is doing."
Substantial chunk of the population? Well I suppose th 10% society right? 10% is a sizeable chunk.
According to Keyes and Cheney, one's own lesbian is better than someone else's lesbian. Moral relativism. Lack of standards. Disregard of family values. And aren't values a liberal creation anyway, to replace God?
I am shocked that people like Dick Cheney, Alan Keyes and Phyllis Schlaffley would have gay children. Shocked, I tell ya.
Is god testing them, or something?
I think it's fair to ask what kind of world Alan Keyes, who wants to be one of 100 senators, wants to create for his daughter.
While we don't want to misunderestimate anyone, is there any reason to believe Alan Keyes senatorial ambitions deserve any attention at all from anyone except his challenger?
I mean, yes, he's a nationally known wingnut, but he's not much more likely to win a Senate seat this year than I am.
Well, obviously Alan Keyes hates his daughter...
17% is too high for someone that doesn't love his own daughter.
Agreed.
A.
According to Keyes and Cheney, one's own lesbian is better than someone else's lesbian. Moral relativism. Lack of standards. Disregard of family values. And aren't values a liberal creation anyway, to replace God?
Right:
I am referring to the evacuation of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish people. This is one of the things that is easily said: "The Jewish people are going to be exterminated." That's what every Party member says, "Sure, it's in our program, elimination of the Jews - extermination - it'll be done!" And then they all come along, 80 million worthy Germans and each one has his one decent Jew. Of course, the others are swine, but this one, he is a first-rate Jew! Of all those who talk like that, not one has seen it happen, not one has had to go through with it. Most of you know what it means to see 100 corpses lying together, or 500, or 1000. To have stuck it out and at the same time - apart from exceptions caused by weakness - to have remained decent fellows, that is what has made us hard.
What I will never understand is how Dickhead Cheney could let Keyes badmouth his daughter and say nothing.
Terry C
----
Terry-did you watch the RNC? On the night of the nominations, the entire Cheney clan was on stage....ALL but one. Mary, who was in the hall at the time, who works for the campaign, was nowhere on the stage. They issued a statement that said she had made the decision herself, which may or may not be true. Any way you spin it, it sucks.
Either she erased herself, or they erased her and told people it was her decision, the point is, the candidate(s) stood up in front of their constituency, showed off their family values by dragging everyone from toddlers on up out on the stage, and Mary was ommitted. AND it was just fine with everyone. That's just how they think it should be:
We have a gay daughter. The entire world knows we have a gay daughter. She works for the campaign. She's here tonight with her partner of many years. But of course, don't worry, she wont' be seen on the stage. You understand, we understand, she understands.
They are sad, sad, sad, sad excuses for human beings.
Well, after Rush compared 13-year-old Chelsea Clinton to a dog -- with no criticism from his rethuglican pals -- I have to say that rethhug kids are on the table. And if Maya wants to campaign for a man who wants to marginalize her, f*** her. Really. No mercy anymore from this side. None. It's all fair game now.
From the Free Republic [sic], Sep. 4:
This week, in case you decided to ignore every news broadcast or paper in the country, Keyes unfortunately decided to become embroiled in an interview with a homosexual activist radio program, at the Republican National Convention no less. There he made his assertion that the basic reason for marriage is procreation and while men and women can accomplish this and thus enter into the sacrificial love of family, homosexuals cannot and their pairings must be a result of selfish hedonism. When asked if this meant Vice President Cheney’s lesbian daughter Mary is a “selfish hedonist,” Keyes decided fighting through this ambush was a better part than discretion and briefly admitted for argument’s sake that would be true, by definition. The ensuing national firestorm falsely portrayed Keyes as “lashing out” against the lesbian Cheney, right there at her daddy’s convention.
You see the pattern. Keyes speaks out on a hot-button topic with his Harvard Ph.D’s intellectual zest and his Christian conservative’s ideological zeal. Media lure him along. Keyes expounds upon his intellectual arguments. Media, with the intellect of Baghdad Bob lay in wait until they find a Keyesian illustration or assertion which they can twist and with their Weapons of Mass Depiction afflict both state and nation. Keyes sticks to his guns and shows his temper. Media claim him a “nut,” “crackpot,” etc.
Like President Bush, Keyes forthrightly relates Christianity as his basis for understanding life. Further, self-confident man of ideas that he is, Keyes presses the frontiers in Christian understanding of our political issues. As for homosexuality’s basis in selfish hedonism, at last night’s Party for Bush, Keyes professed: “The argument I have just given is the best argument, I believe, in support of the Republican position on the defense of marriage.” But, as with any Christian and any intellectual, this must pass peer review.
It is indeed a legit issue, both for Keyes and Bush (since Bush has endorsed Keyes).
"He's being killed on the issues - why drag in his family/hypocrisy issues."
BECAUSE I LOVE THE SMELL OF SCORCHED EARTH IN THE MORNING!!!!!!
My 6 year-old son likes to dance like a ballerina. No shock since his mom is an ex-ballerina. But my dad thinks he is "a nancy-boy" for doing it and thinks it's a bad precedent to set.
People are stupid, especially about other people. I blame the brain's need to categorize information. Sure, it helped when we were first roaming the earth looking for food and whatnot, but now it just gets in the way.
There are exemptions, however, but most of them relate to Boston Red Sox fans.
OT, but an Army Reserve unit is being sent to Iraq without weapons.
"This is a hard war and we, frankly, inside the Army Reserve have been not properly prepared for it,” said Lt. Gen. James Helmly, chief of the U.S. Army Reserve.
Wow, a troll stole my name at 11:06.
I've finally arrived. 
bo,
That Danzinger comic just lit a bulb in my head. Our opponents really act like a bunch of bullies. Does a normal person make fun of somebody windsurfing?
The GOP really is the Bully Party. Who likes a bully? Not me. I'm not sure if anyone does.
OT, but an Army Reserve unit is being sent to Iraq without weapons.
"This is a hard war and we, frankly, inside the Army Reserve have been not properly prepared for it,” said Lt. Gen. James Helmly, chief of the U.S. Army Reserve.
patriotboy
B-b-but, General, sir, as long as they are deployed to one of the 15 safe Iraqi provinces they will have nothing to worry about, right?
From the seagul link:
An absence of leadership qualities in our military leaders gives rise to terms like "Seagull" Colonels and Generals, a species known to swoop in, make a lot of noise, crap all over everything, and then fly away. But our seagulls had an advantage over Bush and Cheney. Regardless of the mistakes made and not remedied, regardless of the illogic, stupidity and sheer idiocy of our present unit's existence under a seagull commander, at least we could be 100% sure they wouldn't be around for long.
High level incompetence seems to be the natural sea-state of our militarized foreign policy, launching forth with the proud Guardsman George W. Bush at the helm and Dick "Other Priorities" Cheney as navigator.
This track record of sheer stupidity, hubris and other seagull qualities is marred only by the existence of rare officers, like retired Marine General Tony Zinni, who knew their job, led their men and women, and spoke the truth to power about the inanity of the plan to invade Iraq early on. Looking further for aberrations to the rule, we find retired Army General William Odom, conservative through and through, who speaks the truth about Bush's fantasy adventure in Iraq, politely but publicly calling it "a strategic error."
In Military Week. Wow.
Yoshimi,
I'm on a minor pedantic trip to rename the GOP. See my 11:06 post.
Is Novak at war with George Bush?
Ha! I hardly think so:
Modern history is filled with intelligence bureaus turning against their own governments, for good or ill. In the final days of World War II, the German Abwehr conspired against Hitler. More recently, Pakistani intelligence was plotting with Muslim terrorists. The CIA is a long way from those extremes, but it is supposed to be a resource -- not a critic -- for the president.
My emphasis. Novak: How dare the CIA criticize Dear Leader!
Asshole.
The right maintains being gay is a matter of choice, and choice is a function of upbringing.
Do the math.
watching cspan this morning. gay guy talking about a heavily populated gay area in the sixties (new york, i think) he was descibing their inability to get employment, arrests based on their life styles, and a generalized homophobic hatred that permeated society.
there is definitely something wrong with that. and if bush is elected or steals another one, we will certainly drift towards that tragedy.
Jason Hartley sez: Keyes has no chance to win, so I don't see the point in bringing this up. There's no reason to drag his daughter's sexuality into this. That's what Republicans do.
Well, a.) obviously Maya Keyes doesn't seem to have a big problem with making her sexual preference public - she talks about it on a blog, for crying out loud, and b.) publicizing this tacky little scandal-ette may bring down other Republicans (especially Dick "Mary who?" Cheney) a notch or two by association - they too, despite all their transparently phony "pro-family" blather, are revealed as part of the hate-your-own-children party.
My major pedantic trip is to get the GOP branded as the party of Reactionary Nut Jobs. As in Republican = Falwellian = BIGGOTED KOOK becomes an indelible equation in political discourse.
woopsie gotta fix that default posting name...
You know, outing is a relative tactic and is more appropriate in some cases than others. Keyes is a fringe lunatic that may get 20% of the "hold your nose and vote Republican no matter what vote". Bringing his daughter into it in this case crosses a line for me and indicates a lack of judgement. We do not live in a black and white world and we pride ourselves on being able to distinguish shades of grey. If Keyes was a greater threat, then maybe.
My heart broke when I saw the Nightmare Before Christmas scene on her page. It could easily have been my posted by my daughter.
Does a normal person make fun of somebody windsurfing?
...As they discussed on Bill Mahar, the goal of the RNC is to paint Kerry as a wuss. The windsurfing in tight pants fed right into their plans. The Kerry campaign needs to be very careful about how it let's Kerry get photographed. He should look tough and Presidential anytime the press is near. With the upcoming debates, I think there will be an opportunity to turn the tables on George a bit... Use a line like...
...You're in fairly land George. You were a cheerleader in college and now as a grown man you're jumping up and down with your pom poms shouting out rosy cheers while our men and women are in dire straits in Iraq. If you can't be serious about things, then step aside.
Does this mean Republicans are outing themselves as selfish hedonists? Same old story. Everyone always knew anyway.
out of shape? got too much junk in your trunk? not as healthy as you'd like?
move to the city and get your asses in motion!
New urbansim, bitches!
You know, outing is a relative tactic and is more appropriate in some cases than others. Keyes is a fringe lunatic that may get 20% of the "hold your nose and vote Republican no matter what vote". Bringing his daughter into it in this case crosses a line for me and indicates a lack of judgement. We do not live in a black and white world and we pride ourselves on being able to distinguish shades of grey. If Keyes was a greater threat, then maybe.
Repeat after me: NOBODY WAS OUTED.
Understand?
Her sexuality is fair game a.) because Keyes' talks about how horrible it is all the time and b.) he's representing a party whose dominant wind would have us queer folk locked up or worse c.) His party is supposed to be all about consistency with your principles: how does he react when it's not someone else's daughter?
So I respectfully disagree with Samlex. It's fair game. And with Mickey: who Keyes represents very much *do* care, and he says he cares, and it is public information, so it's very fair game.
I think these arguments against outing just play into Keyes' hand immediately and the hatemongering GOP's long term agenda.
We're way beyond niceties at this stage.
Out us all!
The reason I wouldn't touch this story in the "real media" world of political reporting at this point is because most people are completely turned off by this "expose" stuff when it's practiced on underdogs - and most particularly when their kids are involved. Whatever else you might say about Keyes, he is sure as hell the underdog in this race and while Maya may be a legal adult, she appears from this blog to be very immature and vulnerable. So it's a diversion that buys you nothing in the race between Keyes and Obama, assuming that's the measure. And it can't possibley impact the outcome, because there aren't any "swing voters" in this race, just raving ideologues versus relatively sane people.
For gay activists, it's great stuff. But hardly earth-shaking. (I can no longer count on just my fingers the number of high-profile Republican hypocrites who have gay children, which is the point at which it becomes a bit of a yawner).
She has just password-protected her blog.
publicizing this tacky little scandal-ette may bring down other Republicans
Its more likely to get people to tune out the people publicizing it, I'd think.
She has just password-protected her blog.
Too late. Hehe.
Increasing public awareness of a losing Republican senatorial candidate's out daughter - marginal value.
Calling widespread attention to an increasing number of gay Republicans and the gay family members of Republicans who support limiting the rights of homosexuals in order to drive down the fundie vote - priceless.
Meanwhile, in other news:
Carter, in the WaPost today, had some interesting things to say about Florida's election situation - he predicts a repeat of 2000 and blasts JEB Bush good.
There is also a reminder from AP that the next POTUS will pick a hundreds of federal judges and likely 2 or 3 SCOTUS Justices.
Naw, it is more interesting to talk about girls kissing.
Syd Barrett | Email | Homepage | 09.27.04 - 11:27 am | #
Taking it to the Streets
Democratic voters need to be assured that some of us won't take another coup lying down. And Republican dirty-tricksters need to start feeling the first shivers of fear. If all the people who are saying they're willing to hit the streets actually do so, there won't be a lot of people left indoors to wait tables, teach school, or pay taxes during W's second term.
i'm not really political, but god dammit, i'm not going to let these fascists bastards continue to ruin this country. besides, i like girls kissing.
"...You're in fairly land George. You were a cheerleader in college and now as a grown man you're jumping up and down with your pom poms shouting out rosy cheers while our men and women are in dire straits in Iraq. If you can't be serious about things, then step aside."
-Falstaff
shorter:
"George Bush needs to stop being a cheerleader."
-John Kerry (maybe)
I see that Teddy Kennedy just brought up the fact that it was a good thing W wasn;t at the helm during the Cuban Missile Crisis...
welcome aboard Ted! I've been preaching that for months now.
During the crisis, General Curtis LeMay, Joint Chief of Staff, told JFK to his face that he was an appeaser (just like his daddy was to Hitler) for not responding militarily to the Soviet action.
Being sane, JFK of course blew this off and found a creative solution to end the crisis.
If W were at the helm, he would have asked LeMay, "can we play boom-boom? We can? Wheeeh!"
The most salient argument I've read here about public discussion of Keyes's daughter's sexual identity is that since Keyes is getting a proper trouncing, there is no need to involve her.
People--these times are a fight for the future of this country. This is not about one man's political campaign. It is about deciding what we as Americans stand for, what we cherish, and what we will fight and die for. Keyes represents the darkness spreading like cancer through our people, and to hold his insanity up to the light for all to see is the right and proper thing to do. Regardless of how badly he is being beat in some election.
IT'S OFFICIAL - BE AFRAID, BE VERY AFRAID ! OUR INTELLIGENCE REPORTS INDICATE THAT BUSHCO IS PLOTTING ACTIVELY TO USE TERRORIST ATTACKS TO INFLUENCE THE U.S. ELECTIONS.
washingtonpost.com
Election Heightens Terrorism Offensive
Officials to Publicize Increased Disruption Efforts for Nov. 2 Vote
By Dan Eggen and Spencer S. Hsu
Washington Post Staff Writers
Monday, September 27, 2004; Page A01
Agencies across the federal government are launching an aggressive and unusually open offensive aimed at thwarting terrorist plots before and during the presidential election in November.
Numerous law enforcement and counterterrorism officials also warned last week that a heightened threat of terrorist attack will persist through the January inauguration.
The government's strategy will include heavy surveillance by the FBI, increased checks of terrorism watch lists by local police and heightened security at polling places on Nov. 2, officials said. At the U.S. Capitol, Police Chief Terrance W. Gainer has ordered a number of his officers to wear sophisticated new equipment to protect them from a biological or chemical attack.
Counterterrorism officials concede they do not have new or specific intelligence outlining plans for an attack, but they say they remain alarmed by indications that al Qaeda and other terror groups might seek to influence U.S. elections as they did in Spain last spring by setting off bombs on commuter trains in Madrid. By publicizing the government's disruption efforts, which will begin in earnest later this week, authorities say they hope to forestall any plans for similar attacks here.
If W were at the helm, he would have asked LeMay, "can we play boom-boom? We can? Wheeeh!"
Or invaded Mexico.
The main issue is Keyes's hypocrisy, which he most blatantly displayed when agreed to run in Illinois after excoriating Hilary Clinton as a carpetbagger for running in New York. I don't care who sleeps with whom. I don't even care that Miserable Failure sleeps with a ratty old teddy bear he calls Mr. Buggles. Someday, maybe, the American people will grow up and focus on issues that really matter, but today isn't the day.
(originally posted at JC Christian's Mens Club)
ALAN KEYES FAMILY DINNER BLUES
(spoken)
Last night I had dinner with Alan Keyes
With his beautiful wife
And his daughter...
Things went bad
(sung, sucker)
Pass me the butter
You lesbian whore
Pass me the taters
Don't ask for any more
Pass me the justice
That you throw out the door
Pass me an apple crate
So you can see me when you speak
Pass me the genital cuffs
For your friend the Greek
Lord, I sneak a peek
Once or twice a week
I am the best the Republican Party can do
I ain't no toy
I am the best they can do
In Illinois
Pass me the veggies
Pass me the bread
Wash out your dirty mouth
That gives Lesbian head
You heard me
Wash your pie hole
Wash your pie
Wash your hedonistic flange
Before I start to cry
Before I die
I am the best the Republican Party can do
I ain't no toy
I am the best they can do
In Illinois
If your ovum's in chains
If you spill your seed
If you do the rosary
With your anal beads
I got some news for you
Now. listen in
I got my mind on you
I got my mind on you
I got my mind on you
'Scuse me--whoa!
Pass me the veggies
Pass me the bread
Wash out your dirty mouth
That gives Lesbian head
You heard me
Wash your pie hole
Wash your pie
Wash your hedonistic flange
Before I start to cry
Before I die
+++
cmdicely,
no, I am pretty sure he would have wanted to play boom-boom... he could have brought on the rapture!
Cole, doesn't the fact that Keyes if fighting just to keep in the double digits in the polls some indication that his insanity is being held up to the light. People are rejecting his views. That's what matters - not the irony of his daughter's sexuality or whatever hypocrisy it may indicate. Frankly, I don't see Keyes as a hypocrite but as a true believer. I have no way of knowing what goes on between him and his daughter and frankly, I could care less. Keyes is down. His daughter strikes me a pretty mindless, but why bother with dragging her in when it's obvious that the overwhelming majority of people WHO ALSO HAPPEN TO BE VOTING AGAINST KEYES ALREADY AND REJECTING HIS EXTREMISM think stuff like this is total garbage. Don't think like a whining loser when you are actually winning on this one.
Atrios hasn't stepped over any ethical lines IMO. Speaking as a lesbian, since Maya's already out, it seems to me the story is about Keyes'hypocrisy---and has he paid enough attention to his own family to know what's going on. Is this a sign of strong Republican Family Values? (Good reporters might also ask Hastert how he feels about his choice now.) There are more important topics to be sure, but an article about all of the homophobic repugs with gay kids might also be in order for any newspaper or TV network interested in fairness. Keyes is already DOA for the election in Illinois, but he's part of a group that probably ought to be discussed.
Or invaded Mexico.
Well, you DO know that the commie-wetbacks infiltrated from Mexico and laid the ground for the joint Nicaraguan-Cuban invasion? YOU DO REMEMBER THAT, RIGHT?
Ooops, that was "Red Dawn" and just a movie.
brucds--so, basically, in addition to armed guards and police, we're to have mysterious guys in chem suits and pro masks intimidating voters?
I skimmed the comment thread so if this point was already made, sorry.
The key to Keyes' election doom is not his loss but a drop in voter turnout. With Bush running weakly (despite a modest bump, still down 49-40 in Chi Trib poll) and Keyes a monumental embarassment, some Republicans are going to stay home.
There is long shot potential for picking up one, two or (really long odds) three congressional seats.
Best opportunity is Phil Crane's seat but others to watch are Jerry Weller and Henry Hyde. All three GOP incumbents have credible, hardworking Democratic challengers. The districts are not favorable to Dems in normal conditions, but any significant drop in turnout caused by Keyes could put them in play on election day.
All honor to the girl for coming out in public, but if you are going to come out in public, then you can't complain if somebody notices.
For those clucking about outting Maya, she posted to her BLOG! The internet, like it or not is not her "diary".
People--these times are a fight for the future of this country.
All times feature a fight for the future of the country and the world.
And every bit of effort spent discussing the sexuality of the daughter of a marginal candidate is a bit of effort not spent mobilizing concern for the future of the country.
It is about deciding what we as Americans stand for, what we cherish, and what we will fight and die for.
Yeah, it is. So let us talk about that, directly and forthrightly.
Keyes represents the darkness spreading like cancer through our people, and to hold his insanity up to the light for all to see is the right and proper thing to do. Regardless of how badly he is being beat in some election.
Even granting that for the sake of argument, Keyes' daughter's sexuality is hardly the most convincing illustration of his insanity, in fact, its not any illustration of that at all.
For those clucking about outting Maya, she posted to her BLOG! The internet, like it or not is not her "diary".
From the Kos posting, I gathered it was from the "private" portion of a blog which allowed access restrictions on particular items, but whose operating software had an exploitable security hole that was deliberately (and probably illegally) exploited to gain access.
That is very much the same as a locked diary with an easily pickable lock.
commie atheist - You and Eddie Izzard. He always has said that he is a transvestite lesbian, 'cause he likes to dress like a woman but he likes sex with women too.
Tena
FAVORITE IZZARD LINE: But do you have a flag???
"...You're in fairly land George. You were a cheerleader in college and now as a grown man you're jumping up and down with your pom poms shouting out rosy cheers while our men and women are in dire straits in Iraq. If you can't be serious about things, then step aside."
-Falstaff
shorter:
"George Bush needs to stop being a cheerleader."
-John Kerry (maybe)
We need to start referring to the Chimp as the Tinkerbell President, i.e. "close your eyes and wish real hard and everything will be wonderful with the economy, Iraq, etc". Perfectly describes his pollyanna-ish approach of ignoring problems with sunshine speeches.
And he'd probably take it as an insult to his faux-machoism and lose his temper.
For those clucking about outting Maya, she posted to her BLOG! The internet, like it or not is not her "diary".
diary on the internet???? oh my, talk about a retard or something .. is she secretly getting even with daddy for not paying enough attention to her over the years??
Sounds like Dr. Phil is needed to corral this behavior.
Dear God, leave the poor girl alone. Yes, she put information about her personal life up on her blog, just like every other teenager in the country. Yeah, maybe not the wisest move if she wants to keep her personal life private. But my goodness, if you read any of it you can tell that she gets all sorts of hell from her parents already for being a lesbian. Keyes is perfectly consistent on this. He thinks his daughter's a selfish hedonist too. The only thing publicizing this does is pushing this family mess out into the open and probably making things a hell of a lot harder for Maya. She already has the misfortune of having to deal with extremely conservative parents-- I hope you all feel great about making her life worse. No, you're not outing her-- you're using her sexual orientation as a weapon against her father, who's already upset with her about it even without it having political consequences for him. We need to be better than this.
From the Kos posting, I gathered it was from the "private" portion of a blog which allowed access restrictions on particular items, but whose operating software had an exploitable security hole that was deliberately (and probably illegally) exploited to gain access.
Yeah, could be that you "gathered" that, but it doesn't matter SINCE YOU WERE WRONG.
Only TODAY she has made portions of the blog (including the posts where the photos came from) inaccessible.
Now the last visible post is from April 2004.
Still, this deals with her being a lesbian and her support for gay marriage.
So, she's still out there.
Repeat after me: NOBODY WAS OUTED.
Understand?
Felix Deutsch
Yeah, I get it but isn't that a little Rovian of you? We are 'further outing' her here. I say a candidate's kids should only be targets in extreme circumstances and Keyes just isn't worth it. The girl didn't pick her parents. Keyes is going down in flames anyway so why harm his kid?
Conservatives set goals.
from 2001
Charity Cites Bush Help in Fight Against Hiring Gays
The Bush administration is working with the nation's largest charity, the Salvation Army, to make it easier for government-funded religious groups to practice hiring discrimination against gay people, according to an internal Salvation Army document.
The White House has made a "firm commitment" to the Salvation Army to issue a regulation protecting such charities from state and city efforts to prevent discrimination against gays in hiring and domestic-partner benefits, according to the Salvation Army report. The Salvation Army, in turn, has agreed to use its clout to promote the administration's "faith-based" social services initiative, which seeks to direct more government funds to religious charities.
brucds--I suppose what I’m trying to say is that, for me at least, it isn’t about Keyes at all. Keyes mindset (and I’ll agree that he appears to be a True Believer) is representative of many or most of those claiming to be Republicans these days. Too many people are quick to dismiss those such as Keyes as bizarre misfits not to be taken seriously. His pathology, unfortunately, is not isolated nor even uncommon these days, and the more we can show that, the more readily we can combat it.
That said, I’ll concede that I’m not entirely aware of Keyes’s daughter circumstances, her connection to her father, or whether any of this is useful in educating people or not. In principle, however, I’m not agin’ it.
Sometimes I wish I were of the simplistic “good or evil” mindset that Dear Leader depends on for political survival. It must make decisions so easy.
Pie et al.
Re: Novak. I didn't read the column quite like that. I thought Novak ran into a tree and actually recognized the forest.
His pathology, unfortunately, is not isolated nor even uncommon these days, and the more we can show that, the more readily we can combat it.
What, exactly, does his daughters sexuality do to "show" his "pathology"?
And what does showing even more what a whackjob he is do to combat the trend in people seeing Keyes as being so far out on right field as to be nowhere close to unrepresentative of anything except Alan Keyes?
This whole attack seems fueled by Underpants Gnomes logic:
Step 1: Point to daughter's sexuality.
Step 2:
Step 3: Electoral benefit!
There is no credible mechanism posited linking the action to the suggested result, though.
Okay, I see that many are fixated upon this woman's sexuality and will not accept arguments this is actually an argument about Keyes the man, with only circumstantial involvement regarding the daughter.
Perhaps I am being too thick-headed, but I see this as an issue of a greater wrong (the republican/christian war on human rights) versus a smaller wrong (the furthering of already public information about someone's private life).
Yeah, I get it but isn't that a little Rovian of you? We are 'further outing' her here. I say a candidate's kids should only be targets in extreme circumstances and Keyes just isn't worth it. The girl didn't pick her parents. Keyes is going down in flames anyway so why harm his kid?
Again, how does that HARM HER?
She's OPENLY lesbian.
And she CAMPAIGNS for Keyes, so she's fair game, as far as I'm concerned (because a 19 year old should be asked how she could reconcile this).
Nope. Not convinced. I still maintain the point is not to humiliate or attack the daughter, but to expose yet more of the dangerous mindset of those in the modern republican party.
Seems to me we're talking different languages here. Perhaps I missed the part where it was disclosed that someone was harrassing or attacking this daughter?
Just to clarify, I do not believe we are attacking the daughter. As I stated, I could be totally off the mark as to what's actually going on, but it sure seems to me that the original post was directed at Keyes (and what he represents), not his daughter.
If, on the other hand, commentors such as cmdicely believe this to be a smear against the daughter, then I can certainly understand the outrage.
And she CAMPAIGNS for Keyes, so she's fair game, as far as I'm concerned (because a 19 year old should be asked how she could reconcile this).
Felix Deutsch
Ok, that does it for me. She's glued the target to herself.
Family ties don't excuse this kind of two-faced behavior. It's not our fault if her father's a hate mongering creep. She has the option of not participating in the campaign if she doesn't want to break with him. Hells bells, there are people getting killed in Iraq with his support and lots of them didn't want to be there in the first place.
She's fair game for comment.
I can't comprehend why you want to defend the closet, Britt.
If people post their personal information on public websites, then that information is "public."
Were you thinking of certain raw-muscled-gluted beach dwellers when you said that, Atrios?
I'm glad I'm not religious --
JERUSALEM (AP) Greek Orthodox and Franciscan priests got into a fist fight Monday at the Church of the Holy Sepulcher, Christianity's holiest shrine, after arguing over whether a door in the basilica should be closed during a procession.
Dozens of people, including several Israeli police officers, were slightly hurt in the brawl at the shrine, built over the spot where tradition says Jesus was crucified and buried.
Four priests were detained, police spokesman Shmulik Ben-Ruby said.
Does anybody remember what Limbaugh said about Clinton's daughter?
(Not repeatable.)
Anyway, all the attention Maya's gotten this morning from Atrior readers and others have cause her to go private again.
Okay, I see that many are fixated upon this woman's sexuality and will not accept arguments this is actually an argument about Keyes the man, with only circumstantial involvement regarding the daughter.
I'd be more convinced that this was about Alan Keyes "the man" and not Maya Keyes' sexuality if people made a more coherent argument than "Alan Keyes is the symbol of all evil, therefore trumpeting his daughters sexuality is good".
Then again, I'm not convinced Alan Keyes "the man" is useful as anything more than a distraction from real issues, anyway, so even if I bought that argument, I'd still think this is misdirected.
Perhaps I am being too thick-headed, but I see this as an issue of a greater wrong (the republican/christian war on human rights) versus a smaller wrong (the furthering of already public information about someone's private life).
The problem is that there is absolutely no reason to believe that the lesser wrong is actually doing anything to combat the greater wrong.
If anything, it probably helps it.
"Go Private"? You mean she's aborted her lesbianism ?
SHOCKING!
To the people moaning about posting her sexuality, which she made public to begin with: please spare me.
You're acting as if her sexuality is something shameful which should not be disclosed. Well obviously even she disagrees with you.
What's shameful is the number of Republicans who so willingly work against the rights of their own gay and lesbian family members. What is shameful is a man who would say that those like his daughter are "selfish hedonists" simply because they have love.
Alan Keyes is a snake who never should have been a father. Just like Dick Cheney. Just like Randall Terry. It's a shame the turmoil and self-doubt they have worked at planting in their children.
To the people moaning about posting her sexuality, which she made public to begin with: please spare me.
You're acting as if her sexuality is something shameful which should not be disclosed. Well obviously even she disagrees with you.
What's shameful is the number of Republicans who so willingly work against the rights of their own gay and lesbian family members. What is shameful is a man who would say that those like his daughter are "selfish hedonists" simply because they have love.
Alan Keyes is a snake who never should have been a father. Just like Dick Cheney. Just like Randall Terry. It's a shame the turmoil and self-doubt they have worked at planting in their children.
Atrios, those links are now down.
Just for the record, I'll reiterate that I've got no problem with the blogosphere running with this, since Maya Keyes chose to put her business in the middle of that domain.
But I don't think this is a story that mainstream media - or God forbid anyone associated with the Obama campaign - should run with because it's not going to impact the election and because there IS something distasteful about dragging candidates' kids into the conversation, whatever the circumstances. I'm not above ever doing it in order to win because I'm not a purist, but I'm not seeing this one as a biggie. Frankly, having watched Keyes on occasion, I'd be surprised if his family weren't dysfunctional - which is really about all we're learning from this episode.
For the life of me I will never understand the mindset of gay Americans who can support ideals which would completely invalidate their lives, take away their basic rights, and financialy punish them because of what they are. It's unimaginable to me.
What's shameful is the number of Republicans who so willingly work against the rights of their own gay and lesbian family members.
Whether or not that's true, I don't think that angle wins you any points with anyone not already completely on your side. If you support "gay rights", of course it is even more offensive that someone with gay children should oppose it; if you oppose gay rights, you probably think it is more laudable that someone with gay children would still refuse to demand "special treatment" for them.
It's a polarizing and divisive point rather than a selling point.
If Maya Keyes is campaigning for her dad, quietly snickering on the web about how she can flaunt her orientation and no one seems to notice or care, and also whining about being cut off -- well, she's just another dumb republican girl, who shouldn't be paid any mind -- except for the fact that her very own dad is a raging, frothy-mouthed homophobe complete with nutty hypotheses.
And she's apparently a pagan as well?? With Dad's crazy Jesus talk, and homophobia, and she campaigns for him? In fact, she's now scrubbing her website so she doesn't embarass him??
That's just not right.
OT --
Please don't tell me the mojito has become the next cosmopolitan (e.g. the drink of the fey/postmodern/tragically hip).
Anonymous
Um, okay, I won't tell you. But they line em up in rows, little glasses with sugar cane syrup and mint awaiting full transformation at the hipster dive bar happy hour nearest me. But mojitos have been fashionable here for a while. I imagine it's true anywhere with a large, well-established latino population (which would mean Texas as well, natch). But if they're making inroads into the midwest, I'm smelling fad.
"Go Private"? You mean she's aborted her lesbianism ?
SHOCKING!
-David Ehrenstein
Well, of course. We all know it's a voluntary choice, isn't it? You watch. She'll be straight as an arrow from now on!
/snark
Dozens of people, including several Israeli police officers, were slightly hurt in the brawl at the shrine, built over the spot where tradition says Jesus was crucified and buried.
They should set up wrestling matches.
I'd pay good money to see the big Judeo-Christian-Muslim vs. non-monotheistic religions tag-team cage-match.
At least the spectators would not get hurt.
For the life of me I will never understand the mindset of gay Americans who can support ideals which would completely invalidate their lives, take away their basic rights, and financialy punish them because of what they are.
Not everyone looks to validation of their life through realization of public policy.
Its quite possible, for instance, to be gay and to accept the idea that the public policy purpose of the civil institution of marriage relates to biological reproduction in such a way that it makes "gay marriage" inappropriate public policy.
If Maya Keyes is campaigning for her dad, quietly snickering on the web about how she can flaunt her orientation and no one seems to notice or care, and also whining about being cut off -- well, she's just another dumb republican girl, who shouldn't be paid any mind -- except for the fact that her very own dad is a raging, frothy-mouthed homophobe complete with nutty hypotheses.
And how does her dad being that mean she warrants more attention?
cm: you're espousing exactly what is so sickening about the self-hate dished out by Repuke wingnuts.
yeah, it's quite possible to be gay and yet reject equal rights out of an appreciation of the more superior straight union of man and wife. Sure it's possible, and it's sad.
Get bent.
Just think of the thanksgiving dinners she has to endure. Can you imagine being trapped in a room with Keyes for hours at a time?
four legs good
and here I thought homosexuality was genetic
you're espousing exactly what is so sickening about the self-hate dished out by Repuke wingnuts.
Your knee is obviously jerking so fast that it is inhibiting your reading comprehension.
yeah, it's quite possible to be gay and yet reject equal rights out of an appreciation of the more superior straight union of man and wife.
It's possible, but that has nothing to do with the scenario I presented.
It is important to distinguish between the public purpose of laws and judgements of superiority.
and what does Jack Ryan have to say about this?
Of course being gay is not shameful. Geeze, Louise. But its absolutely ridiculous to deny that we are living in a messed up world in which there can be personal consequences for coming out. There may be major consquences for her as this becomes more public now, partly because of who her family is and how that will affect Keyes base supports. Easy for me to say that Keyes is a jerk and she should not care. Harder to accept being rejected by one's own father or family, or feeling like who you are in the world and how you love will injure your father's career.
Her choices about making her blog were ill-advised if she wanted to keep this private. I am still not clear on her intention. But I can't help feeling for her. I wasn't always very wise at 19. And I think the affect on this human being is not something we should dismiss as unimportant.
The most interesting thing about
Alan Keyes is not simply that his
daughter is gay;
it is that he is a black man with a
gay daughter who enjoys the full
support of the KKK, a domestic
terrorist organization that openly
opposes both african americans AND
homosexuals...
Remember what the Repugs did to Mcgovern's Daughter Terry when they found out she was a campaign party where pot was smoked. The Repugs made a huge issue out of it. Terry never got over it. She ended with alcohol problems and was found dead 10 year ago in a snow bank at age 45.
4 Years later when Pres Ford & Carter's kids admitted to smoking pot nobody even cared.
I know it is not the samething, but GLBTs will reach out and accept MAYA. However this is a very sensitive issue.
Nontheless I think Democrats should not feel ashamed to make this an issue given the campaign the Repugs are running.
If the New Republic was right the reason Keyes got on the ticket was because Rowe and Delay & Hastert knew they could not beat Obama. Keyes has no presense in Chicagoland. They thought they would use the Keyes campaign to fire up the base in the surrounding states by exploiting cross over media markets .
if the definiton of insamity is somebody who keeps digging when he knwos he is in a hole. Keyes is totally off his meds.
Somebody needs to ask him about his daughter at every campaign appearance. He will go insane. Why is Maya Gay, was he a bad parent, is it the Liberal Mainstream Media's Fault, Heredity?? The Repubs will have find to repudiate him without exposing the hypocracy of their Gay Baiting Marriage Admendment
I have been doing phone banking believe me this could effect the election in Missouri and Wisconsin in the Democrats favor. Don't let the Repug get away with this.
Alan's God is falling down on the job, I see. Is he goin to call her a selfish hedonist?
Is any other Western Democracy as obsessed with gay issues as the US?
I remember back when the rant was "gays are so promiscuous" now it's "oh no they want to get married".
We must be a laughingstock.
"It is important to distinguish between the public purpose of laws and judgements of superiority."
And you're saying that straight superiority doesn't play into any argument against equal marriage rights regardless of sexuality.
How nice for you to live in that kind of world.
Ask Keyes. I did.
http://www.renewamerica.us/bb/vi...topic.php?
t=972
It now appears that Mr. Keyes' own daughter, Maya, is openly gay.
Where is Mr. Keyes on the subject of parenting? Is her unable to teach her right from wrong? Can he not convince her that she is living in sdin and should repent? Or will he disown or at least repudiate her, now that the matter is out in the open? Will Mr. Keyes take a position on his own family that is consistent with his public position on gays and marriage?
I went over to Free Republic (I need a shower). They're grappling mightily with cognitive dissonance. Either that, or they're all thick fuckwits, because they haven't bothered to read her blog entries.
They're bogged down trying to figure out the implications of the tame picture of her with her girlfriend (where they're just hugging).
And how does her dad being that mean she warrants more attention?
cmdicely
Because it's like the friggin' Jews who worked for the SS guarding the ghettoes, or the Indians that worked as scouts for the US to hunt down and kill other Indians. That's why.
And she's publically out. She's thumbing her nose at her dad on her blog when she thinks no one's looking but her friends, but now that people are curious because her father's running for the US Senate she's scrubbing this stuff off of her website.
You don't find that disingenuous?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focu...s/1228368/
posts
Latest post on the thread:
"If this turns out to be a hoax, it would be the newest low I have ever seen Democrats sink to."
Hmmm. And if it isn't a hoax?
For the life of me I will never understand the mindset of gay Americans who can support ideals which would completely invalidate their lives, take away their basic rights, and financialy punish them because of what they are--Dawna
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Dawna- for the record, neither will I, but how is that different from the mindset of the thousands of "regular" folks who support Bushco? The women, single and otherwise, who've had abortions but support a campaign that will outlaw all abortions, the working class families that are losing jobs right and left but will support a campaign that is hell bent on putting the lion's share of the tax burden on the backs of the poor and continue shipping jobs oversees, the Christians who work hard to live up to the tenets of their faith who are supporting a president whose picture should be in the dictionary next to "false prophet", etc.?
and of course,let's not forget the Texans who support a Connecticut born patrician who has appropriated their birthright identity for his own political gain.
How can anyone support these people and their agenda.
And how can anyone with a child, husband, wife, mom or dad in the military support an administration that puts them in harms way so the President's friends can make a few more bucks? How can you ask your child to die so you can keep putting cheap gas in your SUV?
How can a Christian support a man who takes this country to war based on a lie?
But they do, they do...
NPR had a report this morning about the father of a recent US KIA.
Man was declaiming that his son was a sacrifice in the spiritual war of G.W.B., a great forthright honest Christian.
Perfectly puke inducing.
David Ehrenstein sez: I can't comprehend why you want to defend the closet, Britt.
But he's not "defending the closet" because Maya Keyes is way, way out of the closet; not only has she told her friends about it, she's announced her sexual inclinations to somewhat in excess of one billion people by posting on the internet. Can't hardly get more "out" than that. Good for her, I might add. No, Britt, along with a couple other posters in this thread, is just faking outrage, the old Claude Rains act, merely more phony baloney sanctimony.
She published it and she's working for his campaign. It's fair for Atrios to blog about it. Not every thread on this board is about serious policy or matters of vital import; some are just silly, snarky, fun. Which, heaven knows, we need from time to time.
I'd love to live in a country where people treated sex as the natural function that it is. We don't. People misues it for political gain. That's what Keyes and others are doing. If the Republicans have to sit down in the cold dark days of February 2005 and ask them selves, "What the Hell happened?" I want them to say, "Gee, maybe since some of us are gay and some of our kids are gay, and since some of us like to swing, maybe next time we should not try to make such a big issue out of other people's sex lives. That would give the Democrats one less arrow to use against us."
Link to the Sgt. Ben Isenberg remembered audio is at:
www.npr.org/ rundowns /segment.php?wfId=4048547
(Crossing fingers against breaking Haloscan)
Dawna- for the record, neither will I, but how is that different from the mindset of the thousands of "regular" folks who support Bushco?
More to the point, how is it any different from the rich people who support the Democrats?
You don't find that disingenuous?
I don't find it noteworthy. I don't find it something that harping on is going to help advance any cause except for the cause of distracting from substantial discourse on matters of public import.
It is absolutely no tactical value, and strategically it helps reinforce the culture of political fights over the kind of guilt-by-association nastiness that favors the right because if you dig far enough, everyone has embarrassment in the family, but on substance the right usually loses on the issues.
Give me a break! This is a blog fer cripesake. I hardly think commenting on the shamefulness of Republicans who abandon their out gay and lesbian children is the same thing as making some kind of tactical mistake on the campaign level.
Get real about what your problems with this are.
Re the label 'selfish hedonist', I seem to remember you mentioning somewhere that you have no kids, atrios. You know - the same label has been popped on childless couples as well. From another childless couple ..
This is a blog fer cripesake.
Yeah, it is. Blogs can be a lot of things, from personal venting fora to powerful engines of political mobilization.
I hardly think commenting on the shamefulness of Republicans who abandon their out gay and lesbian children is the same thing as making some kind of tactical mistake on the campaign level.
Well, I think you are doubly wrong in both what you are saying (it is a tactical mistake) and on your description of what is being done, since no child has been abandoned, and that's not what's being pointed out.
Certainly its not like Atrios was commenting on how Maya was suffering because her father "abandoned" her. No, he was just trying to hang her homosexuality on her father as a political liability. It was nothing but a political campaign tactic, and that's exactly how most of the people defending it have defended it.
Get real about what your problems with this are.
Maybe you should pay attention to what people say more than to judge it against your preconceived notions of what they "really" believe.
Maybe you should state what your real problems with this are.
Maybe you should state what your real problems with this are.
You mean like this: "It is absolutely no tactical value, and strategically it helps reinforce the culture of political fights over the kind of guilt-by-association nastiness that favors the right because if you dig far enough, everyone has embarrassment in the family, but on substance the right usually loses on the issues."
Like I said before, only to have you tell me I wasn't "real" about my problems with it?
Does this mean Republicans are outing themselves as selfish hedonists? Same old story. Everyone always knew anyway.
Pudentilla
Sean HANNITY needs to outed. Have you heard the rumor that he likes getting BUKKAKEED...
Yeah, because this:
"It is absolutely no tactical value, and strategically it helps reinforce the culture of political fights over the kind of guilt-by-association nastiness that favors the right because if you dig far enough, everyone has embarrassment in the family, but on substance the right usually loses on the issues."
Is Bullshit. Oh wait...somebody call the Kerry and Obama campaigns and tell them NOT to run with the "Maya Keyes is Gay" strategy. It would be a tactical mistake! Hurry! Before it's too late! They may have already begun...Nooooooooo!
Hey joe,
Have you seen the Hannity bukkake video yet? Check it out, it is wild!
It was especially cool when they brought in the horse. Or was it a donkey, not sure.
I certainly hope the rumors about Hannity's strange personal life are true. He's not an unattractive man, and he has the potential to become a great star in gay porn. It would be unquestionably a far more honorable and dignified career than the one he currently pursues.
Have you seen the Hannity bukkake video yet? Check it out, it is wild!
Just Asking
Did someone secretly film Hannity in the act?
Do you have the link?
.
Hannity's new theme tune (NSFW).
that's hilarious
thanks anonymous in nc
Oh wait...somebody call the Kerry and Obama campaigns
Why do you think tactics and strategy of acheiving political change only apply to formal candidate campaigns?
They don't. They are relevant to anyone interested in advocating a direction for the country. Including, for instance, this blog.
Incidentally, "Come On!", you seem to be mistaking the fact that you disagree with an argument with a reason to believe that the person making it doesn't really believe it.
Maybe you need to be a little bit less self-absorbed a realize that there are lots of people in the world who honestly see things differently than you.
You see them differently, and in this case you see them incorrectly.
That, or you're lying about how you see them.
The shameful act here is Republicans who continue to abandon their out gay and lesbian children...be it Dick Cheney, Alan Keyes, or Randall Terry.
The fact that you find it more important to grumble about people who would discuss such a phenomenon on a blog shows what really bothers you here: not the sad acts of the homophobic politician-parents, but the mere discussing.
Fine, grumble grumble grumble because people are talking about something you'd prefer be left in the dark.
The shameful act here is Republicans who continue to abandon their out gay and lesbian children...be it Dick Cheney, Alan Keyes, or Randall Terry.
Strangely, until your post, I never saw any even accusation of Alan Keyes abandoning his daughter.
The fact that you find it more important to grumble about people who would discuss such a phenomenon on a blog shows what really bothers you here: not the sad acts of the homophobic politician-parents, but the mere discussing.
Well, yeah, that's what I said. What bothers me about this is the distraction from serious issues about the future of the country. I don't care that (or if) Alan Keyes --or Randall Terry or Dick Cheney or George Bus, the last for reasons unrelated to sexuality, of course -- are bad parents. I mean, I do in the same sense that I care if Ibrahim Hassan in Baghdad is a good parent.
But, ultimately, its not a concern worth discussing, for the most part, particularly in a forum which otherwise has some value for really energizing forces for real political change. I mean, its like worrying over whether Bill Clinton is a good husband. Somethind I'd rather leave to Hillary -- and the tabloids.
Not spending inordinate time pronouncing judgement on other people's families starts at home.
A Swedish friend the other day told me that no one knows anything about Swedish politicians' spouses or families. And they don't care to know. The issue is the candidate. I don't like people deciding who to vote for based on their spouse (THK, HRC), and I especially don't like people deciding who to vote for based on their children.
To me, the facts that a) she is not the candidate; and b) she is a minor say that it is not right to bring this up. And don't forget c) it won't make a whit of difference in the Senate race.
As far as the bigger issue of whether Keyes and the rethugs are hypocrites because they are anti-gay despite having gay family members, or employing gays, or even being gay themselves should be brought up, yes, but let's not get personal with children, whether they blabbed it on their blog or not.
Hmmm...I guess you don't consider working to ensure that his daughter is a second class citizen abandoning?
Nice to know what boat you're in pal.
Also, for someone who thinks it's a distracting issue and not worth discussing, you sure are spending a lot of time discussing why not to discuss it....which leads me back to wondering what about this issue REALLY bothers you.
Could it be that you see no problem with gays and lesbians being hushed up and kept secret, not to mention kept as second class citizens?
I thought something smelled.
It's Alan Keyes and the Republican party's hypocrisy, stupid! Geeze.
The current Republican party is control by bullies. All bullies are cowards. You hit them fast and hard a few times, all this garbage will go away. But as long as you turn the other cheek, they will keep using these tactics. Not only does it energize their flat earth society voters, it makes the Dems look weak to swing voters. If the Dems can't handle clowns like Bush, Keyes, Hastart, etc... independents and moderate voters aren't going to believe you can handle something dangerous like AQ. Turning the other cheek on this stuff is like Dukakis blowing off Bernie Shaw's rape question in the debates.
Obviously the objections have nothing to do with "outing" her. That's completely disingenous. The issues would be the same if she was writing on her Xanga about having premarital heterosexual sex and the blogs were playing it as Big News.
What it's about is blatant disregard for a 19-year-old girl's personal life, just because her father happens to be running for a Senate seat. It's about everybody pointing and staring, while a young woman in a hell of a hard situation who already has a troubled relationship with her parents (who, by the way, are completely consistent with Keyes's public statements; from what Maya says, they tell her they love her, and that she's a sinning, selfish hedonist and should pray and change her ways) has to deal with the details of her personal life becoming Political News and embarassing her dad.
Yeah, she screwed up by not making everything private the day her dad declared his candidacy. Yeah, you guys have every right to do this. It's just a question of compassion versus politics, and it's sad to see politics come out on top even when there's nearly nothing political to be won.
There is no blatant disreagrd. She made her private life public. She is campaigning for her dad. She is an adult.
Get over it.
Hmmm...I guess you don't consider working to ensure that his daughter is a second class citizen abandoning?
No, I don't.
I think its bad policy motivated by a twisted view of a number of things, including -- but not limited to -- the purpose of the civil institution of marriage, the role of religious values in public policy, and the proper interpretation of Holy Scripture.
I think Keyes is an insane lunatic nutball who embraces reprehensible policies in just about every area.
I don't think the fact that his daughter would be one of the people negatively impacted by his policies means he is "abandoning" her in any sense in which the world "abandoning" is entitled to any special impact with regard to the special relationship and expectations a child should have of a parent.
Also, for someone who thinks it's a distracting issue and not worth discussing, you sure are spending a lot of time discussing why not to discuss it....
Look at why I've said its bad to discuss it. That explains why its important to discuss discussing it; because its important, strategically, not to keep making this mistake.
which leads me back to wondering what about this issue REALLY bothers you.
Surprisingly, exactly what I've said, over and over again. There is no hidden message here.
The current Republican party is control by bullies. All bullies are cowards. You hit them fast and hard a few times, all this garbage will go away. But as long as you turn the other cheek, they will keep using these tactics.
Both sides have engaged in unrestrained slime flinging from the time I've been alive and paying attention to politics; from the history I've studied, that seems to go back to the founding of the Republic.
As yet, neither side has stopped doing it just because the other side did it a few times. In fact, each side claims they have to do it because the other side does it and if they don't, they'll be at a disadvantage.
I thus suspect that, while Republicans may or may not generally be "cowards", your interpretation of what that implies for their reaction to slime-flinging campaigning is, self-evidently, false.
Again, it's nice to know whose side you're on.
With friends like you and all that...
Again, it's nice to know whose side you're on.
It's nice to know that rather than thoughts, your brain is just full of convenient labelled cubby-holes that you need to stuff everything in, and that you aren't satisfied until you decide which one someone or something fits in.
"It's just a question of compassion versus politics, and it's sad to see politics come out on top even when there's nearly nothing political to be won."
You have zero understanding of either politics or compassion.
The bitch is a political animal like her father. She is entirely underserving of compassion.
And compassion for what, may I ask?
Compassion for diuscussing the fact that she's an out lesbian supporting a father who's diametrically opposed to out lesbians, and has just made that crystal clear with his recent statements concerning Mary Cheney?
I gather there's something about out gays and lesbians you're not really all that comfortable with dear.
Thanks cm, just keep on insulting and distracting from the so-called distration and discussing the discussion that should not be named all to cover up the fact that you have a big ole problem with gay equality.
Thanks cm, just keep on insulting and distracting from the so-called distration and discussing the discussion that should not be named all to cover up the fact that you have a big ole problem with gay equality.
I have a problem with gay equality? Really?
What precise policy of "gay equality" do I disagree with? I mean, if I've got a problem with it, you should be able to name one policy area where I oppose it.
David, I don't know about you, but I don't consider anyone undeserving of compassion. Especially a young woman who has to cope with her parents telling her that her sexual identity is sinful and terrible and hedonistic, who has to struggle through adolescence finding her way to a relationship with her parents. (Not to mention that, at age 19, she's also apparently seen more than a few of her friends die in the past few years.)
What takes that away? That she's campaigning for someone who opposes gay rights? That she's pro-life? Does that make her a "bitch"? What about her makes you despise her so, besides the fact that you don't like her dad's politics and the fact she supports his campaign?
We can disagree about whether the political importance of the issue makes it worth the consequences it will have for Maya. But when you try to tell me that if someone disagrees with you politically, they're undeserving of compassion... who are you to judge?
The richness of this story is to stay on the meme of the right living in fantasy land.
Alan Keyes=can't see his gay daughter
GWB=can't see he screwed everything up.
c.
I read part of that blog before it went private. She is passionately anti-choice, that is true. She is also very unhappy with the loss of life in Iraq. She knows homeless gay people and works with the homeless. She said her parents under-value the importance of global aid. She isn't voting for Bush. She argues in favor of gay marriage. She wrote about how she missed the 4th of July in Europe but then wondered what kind of independence did we have now with the patriot act enforced. She wrote about how stupid it was to lock people up for what they MIGHT do (She called it Minority Reportish, I believe) She seems to be a passionate and caring person really - even if I disagree on things.
Where the heck do people get off calling her a bitch?
I'd prefer not to make a huge deal of it. The Keyes campaign is dead. To put too much focus on this would be like twisting the knife and pouring acid into the wound.
There is a legitimate question to ask of the candidate though: why does he support policies that would deny his own daughter the equal protection of the laws that he Constitution guarantees every American?
Where the heck do people get off calling her a bitch?
Obviously, if you are related to and involved in the campaign of an opposing politician, you are inhuman slime and to be treated as such, all to highlight how bad the candidate is for "abandoning" you.
Or something.
""David, I don't know about you, but I don't consider anyone undeserving of compassion""....
If Hannity will admit to his Fox viewers that he likes getting Bukkakeed , I'll show the guy compassion - right after Fox kicks his ass out on to the street.
"Where the heck do people get off calling her a bitch?"
BECAUSE SHE'S TAKING DOWN THE BLOG!!!!!
IF SHE MEANT WHAT YOU'VE OBVBIOUSLY BEEN SUCKERED INTO THINKING SHE MEANS THE BITCH WOULDN'T BE CAMPAIGNING FOR HER PIECE OF SHIT OF A FATHER!!!!
RIP THE CUNT LIMB FROM LIMB!!!!!
(See how compassionate I can be?)
David, you are talking about a minor.
A little empathy would not be out of place.
TAKE NO PRISONERS!!!!!
As 'Exploding Heads' points out in another thread...
This just up on Alan Keyes site:
It now appears that Mr. Keyes' own daughter, Maya, is openly gay.
Where is Mr. Keyes on the subject of parenting? Is he unable to teach her right from wrong? Can he not convince her that she is living in sin and should repent? Or will he disown or at least repudiate her, now that the matter is out in the open? Will Mr. Keyes take a position on his own family that is consistent with his public position on gays and marriage?
LOL .. and I love these responses:
Somebody emailed me several pictures of the Keyes daughter that are floating around the Internet. Not only is she engaged in a blatantly homosexual kiss, but it is with a young white woman! And she is wearing a button that says our president, George W. Bush, ought to be "fired." I am disgusted. If Alan Keyes can't keep his own kids under control, then he no longer has the moral authority to speak to me.
A close observation of the pictures plainly shows that ir is not Alan Keyes distaff progeny illustrated in the illustrious photographs. The girl is a "ringer", a look-a-like insinuated into the picture by Democratic operatives to smear the good Mr. Keyes. Just like the infamous CBS memos, the women is a forgery! Just show to what lengths and depths the Dems will go to destroy decent white Americans! Don't be fooled.
Apparently David wants us to target the all-important "rip the cunt limb from limb" swing vote.
www.keyes2004.com is amusing: it was featuring a couple very recent anti-gay civil rights articles as late as mid-afternoon today. Now they've been pulled (as has been the FR thread on Maya). The words "gay" and "homosexual" still appear on the homepage, but the most recent reference is 9/2/04. And now Keyes wishes to turn the debate to tariffs!
Slightly off topic: a couple of posts above refers to her (Maya Keyes) as a "girl". But she's 19, right? That's not a girl; that's a woman. An adult. She can vote, serve in the armed forces, sign a legal contract, blah blah blah.
As a GenXer, a feminist (and a college prof) I'm really annoyed at the infantalizing of young adults that's going on as the Boomers get greyer and greyer. When they were 18, they're were all for being treated as an adult, but now for their offspring, 21 is just out of the cradle and too young to drink!
If she's 19; she's an adult; not a child. A woman not a little girl. She can make her own decisions, and deal with the consequences of them.
A:
you're usually succint. Why not just say, "Why does Alan Keyes despise his own daughter, who has done nothing to deserve it?
With a father like Keyes, no wonder...
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