HULK SMASH!!!
pwn3d.
It's like the German Imperial intelligence service in the first world war!
[laughing maniacally & historically]
Oh, don't tempt me.
Me:...ummm hi, is this where we can speak to the "penis-that-walks-like-a-man?"
Lt Gov Steele: Oh, its for you, Mr. Gillespie.
NICE!!!!
LMAO
I'll be there! 
Baba booie!
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Fucking A. What Old Hat said.
Woo-hoo! Consider this passed on!
Meanwhile: OT, but important --
From http://www.salon.com/books/int/2...tt/index3.html:
Salon:The right is incredibly disciplined in having everyone close ranks and stay on message.
Wolcott: I think part of it is that the left doesn't have the proper infrastructure of opinion that the right has. Like with the Swift Boat thing, it bubbles up. First you've got the ads, then the pictures get leaked to Drudge, then talk radio starts talking it up, then it moves into Fox, then the other people in news outlets feel that they've got to cover it. I think the left is beginning to put that infrastructure together. Through the blogs, through Air America. They're beginning to make more of a link-up.
There's a kind of a freaky admiration that media biggies have for the right wing; they sort of admire the nastiness. They consider people on the left wimpy. And even though Democratic senators have actually served in uniform, the swagger is on the right. A lot of this is masculine mode. If you look at the way Chris Matthews talks about certain people, he gets turned on by a certain kind of machismo in politicians. It could be a totally false machismo, but that is often what people get turned on by.
Also, one of the things they like to do with liberals is call them whiny. They like to portray them, in effect, as women. There's a lot of sexism involved, not to mention there is also a tremendous amount of racism. That's where I think the liberal, the neoliberal press needs to do some real examination.
Salon: Can you give an example of racism?
Wolcott: The way they talk about Al Sharpton. They write about him in a dismissive way. They never write about racial issues. You go through those neoliberal writers who came up through the New Republic -- racial issues have never really been much of an issue for them, and women's issues have never really been much of an issue for them. There's a real white-guy solidarity. I believe people think that he's nuts, but I think Norman Mailer was right when he said that the kind of wars we're having now are the last stand of the white male ego. There is a lot invested in that white male ego. Even in the media, even people who don't like politics, they somehow feel that, "Well, Bush embodies that better than these liberals with their flip-flopping and their equivocations and their nuances." You've got people who went to Harvard and Yale who sneer at nuances, and at being articulate!
Great job Atrios!! I'll be there. Of course, they'll have to re-schedule.
MORE LIKE THIS!!
The Dangers Of Tort Reform
By
Jason Gooljar
The current administration products of big business and the stock markets would have you believe that we are under siege. They disliked FDR and Truman during the stock market crash because of their New Deal crooked business busting practices. Many years later some things never change. The products of a class system which believes that public and fiscal policy should only be made by the men who are bred to lead, men from Ivy League schools, secret societies and family blood lines, aim to protect and change laws to demolish any impediment to revenue.
From the people who fostered the environments of Enron we now have tort reform. Woe to the Doctors and large conglomerates that have to deal with the frivolous lawsuits brought by Joe Public. Tell that to the parents who had to say goodbye to a child that was injured from a seatbelt malfunction in a vehicle. They waited but “activist judges” for the elite took it upon themselves to rewrite the law. They waited, but alas the money never came to help pay for the child’s care as the company threatened to drag the case out until the child passed away.
There are reasons we have government regulation and venues for people to go through. When doctors, businesses and government make errors or neglect rules and regulations the courts are a person’s last resort. When you allow companies to govern themselves they are only concerned with the bottom line and making money not the people.
If I sat in on that call I'd likely find the FBI at
my doorstep the next day.
Or alternately, I'd find my self in the
emergency room that night with a severe
case of projectile vomiting.
So you guys report back to me, okay?
OT: anyone know what's up with this two faces of bush thing? there's a flash movie up at the site now, sponsored by the dnc. but no content other than the brief movie & ubiquitous two-face graphic.
is this just the 1st chapter?
Phoenix Woman,
Thanks for the link, interesting stuff.
best time to have posted this would have been a bit closer to the event. would have made rescheduling a bit tougher.
wtfwjd-
Looks promising.
wtfwjd-
I should say that it looks promising, particularly because Atrios, KOS, DU and some others leaked the meme a couple days ago, with the same graphic.
I sense a major offensive coming, Tet style.
Big shocker: Bush conspired with insurers to boost their profits
Robert Pear has the scoop in tomorrow morning's edition of the New York Times. His story entitled "Inquiry on Medicare Finds Improper Limits on Choices" has the details about how the Bush Administration enabled various insurers to reap huge profits by overcharging the elderly. Here's the lead:
Federal investigators said Monday that the Bush administration had improperly allowed some private health plans to limit Medicare patients' choice of health care providers, including doctors, nursing homes and home care agencies.
more here
Phoenix Woman, thanks for that Salon article. It looks interesting and agrees with much of my analysis. It's really time to bring these hidden motives out into the open, but I don't see it happening in the SCLM.
Hmmm, maybe Atrios should pull this and repost at about 5 pm Wednesday?
What Jim E. said. Let's not tip off Ed the Joker.
Atrios -- should have waited until 6:45 on Wednesday to post this. Now they have time to switch it around.
Gee Mr. Lt. Governor Steele...Weren't you in the movie Spy Hard? And I'll bet you had a front row seat when our favorite speaker Zell was up, being lt. governor and all. Gosh, how do I get to be lt. governor too?
nah, people, this isn't a real conference call, just a briefing with muted phones on the other end....
Atrios -- should have waited until 6:45 on Wednesday to post this. Now they have time to switch it around.
It went out to a billion people, they won't switch it around on account of little ole' Atrios.
Plus they're Republicans. Changing conference call times is a sign of homosexual French weakness.
You guys are unbelievable. You co-op a conference call and think you are great but you lose an election and it is stolen from you. Get a life.
new krugman is up
lede:
Let's face it: whatever happens in Thursday's debate, cable news will proclaim President Bush the winner. This will reflect the political bias so evident during the party conventions. It will also reflect the undoubted fact that Mr. Bush does a pretty good Clint Eastwood imitation.
Jim E., anonymous in nc, Sage, Hollywood: you don't think that there isn't more where that Team Leader stuff came from? As Old Hat said: pwn3d.
Seriously, if they cancel this one, you don't think it wouldn't get out that it was cancelled because some leftie blogs got the info and posted it? Not only that, how is the GOP gonna find the leaker? There must be dozens, if not hundreds of them.
I do think this event will be locked down tighter than a drum...but I surely do hope someone gets to ask Ed if the ban the Bible / allow gay marriage flyer will be making appearances in other states besides West Virginia and Arkansas.
Dave,
The words you are looking for are "co-opt" and "win an election".
wtfwjd-
The whole 'two-faced Bush' meme that was dropped in unison in the liberal blogosphere a few days ago wasn't an accident.
And now the DNC has this website that is under construction, featuring the exact same graphic, just days before the 1st debate on foreign policy.
John Kerry is bringing an aluminum bat to this debate. Shrub is bringing a goddamn plastic trash can lid.
What did Rummy learn from Nixon?
Take the poll:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/20...9/28/04833/
6328
Dave,
How about 12943 to 14997 lives?
Wasn't Michael Steele the bass player for the Bangles?
Safi,
I suspected the DNC was involved when that graphic appeared all over the place last week. I seem to remember reading somewhere a week or so ago that the DNC was scheduling a call or something to coordinate tactics with the left blogosphere -- just wondering what the strategy is behind this campaign -- right now, they're preaching to the choir. Wondering if they're planning to bubble the "Bush is two faced" meme up to the major media, and if so, when?
Will this be a major theme for Big John on Thursday?
So, uh, does any one know for certain if Kerry has a trick up his sleeve for Thursday? He can't bring a picture of that lousy pixelated Janus/Bush w/ him since outside materials (except paper and pen) are banned. So there goes that. I suppose he could unveil "two-faced" as the new insult, but that prickliness and sneering would lose him the election pretty quickly. His media person seemed to hint at a surprise of sorts, but (a) I sort of doubt there is and (b) I can't imagine what it would be if there was...
John Kerry's message to his base should be this, and only this:
"Bush is gonna wish he were choking on a pretzel when I'm done with him"
To the electorate, his message should be, (paraphrased) "You stupid son of a bitch, *how* in the fuck could you fuck up the greatest nation on the earth (and world peace) so goddamn bad?? I AM MUCH BETTER THAN YOU!"
Which, I do think, the two messages have been coming into focus.
Huzzah!
Safi,
I suspected the DNC was involved when that graphic appeared all over the place last week. I seem to remember reading somewhere a week or so ago that the DNC was scheduling a call or something to coordinate tactics with the left blogosphere -- just wondering what the strategy is behind this campaign -- right now, they're preaching to the choir. Wondering if they're planning to bubble the "Bush is two faced" meme up to the major media, and if so, when?
Will this be a major theme for Big John on Thursday?
Well, I'm a cornfed hick, a nobody in a swing state, working in retail. So what do I know? But its easy to connect the dots on the timeline.
I do believe that it will be John Kerry at bat. An aluminum bat. Swinging at a plastic trash can lid. Held by junior.
So, I had to look it up. And once I did, I was glad I didn't know what it meant.
pwn3d: http://www.urbandictionary.com/d...?term=pwn3d&
r=f
Dave, You fucking Pig,why dont you take you sorry ass home to mama george,surely he has a tit for you to suck on.You would just as soon see this country come crashing down than admit you are wrong.Take your communiust ass to Russia.I'm sure President Putin has a nice comfy home for you in his gulag,just like junior has for everyone of us here that disagree with him.
OT Naomi Klein's piece in Harper's- a must read has been put online here
So, uh, does any one know for certain if Kerry has a trick up his sleeve for Thursday?
Why Thursday? What's your hurry?
Isn't the Team Leader thing dead as of late. Jeez, they make it sound like it is a french fry convention for McDonalds.
(Er Freedom Fries).
As I'm sure you know, Thursday is the debate. If Kerry doesn't do something that grabs headlines (w/ a positive reaction, one would hope) then the post-debate coverage will basically be "It's a tie... but BUSH WON ANYWAY! HOORAY!" And that meme of "It's a Tie in the Bush Win Column" will carry over to the next two debates.
So, I'm hoping Kerry does something, or reveals something, or at the very least resoundly beats Bush so badly that we can maybe, MAYBE, get an unqualified "it was a draw" out of the SCLM...
FairVoteInOhio,
Please in the future, don't post long series of unbroken text.
It makes the Baby Jesus cry.
It also blows out haloscan's crappy formatting.
Thanks!
If the SCLM has decided that Bush wins, then nothing that Kerry does would make any difference. That's why there are all those digesting issues afterwards where pundits can point out irrelevancies which then become what actually happened.
To the electorate, his message should be, (paraphrased) "You stupid son of a bitch, *how* in the fuck could you fuck up the greatest nation on the earth (and world peace) so goddamn bad?? I AM MUCH BETTER THAN YOU!"
Which, I do think, the two messages have been coming into focus.
Safi the cornfed hick | Email | Homepage | 09.28.04 - 1:43 am | #
Safi, you may be a confed hick, but you are OUR confed hick!
Funny.
What is interesting about the debate format rules that the press are reporting on (local SF TV) all seem to be disadvantaged to Kerry and negotiated by Bush. Podiums 10 feet apart so Bush won't seem smaller, no direct questions to each other. No follow ups, No cool temps so Kerry doesn't seem to sweat.
Things I would love to hear.
"Would you wipe that smirk off your face! This is not a damn game! People are dying because of your incompetance!
Has anyone seen the online trailer for the film "Going Upriver"?
Seems to capture the mess that was going on in USA regarding Vietnam.
Hope this will help John Kerry when it is released Friday and starts getting noticed.
Oh Great. I just heard that Karl Rove
has arranged for Mt Saint Helen's to
blow right before the election.
Is there ANYTHING that man can't do?
I happened to watch NOW last weekend and they talked specifically about the debates.
We're all a being fooled a bit here. Originally, the debates were hosted by the independent League of Women Voters until 1987, when both parties ditched them in an effort to create the "bipartisan" Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD) (http://www.debates.org). This is really just a place where both parties can agree on what to talk about, set rules and preview questions for study.
Isn't a debate supposed to be for the two candidates to box each other verbally? I'm sad that this will be the first year that I will watch a presidential debate. But, I'm glad I'm not going in on it naive. I think it would serve the country if Kerry went off script for a moment and really railed Bush. He deserves it.
Can't confirm this since I'm a couple of degrees removed from the apparent source, but I'm passing it along...got it as a forwarded email from a close friend.
> Worth reading--from a friend whose husband works at the Times.
>
> To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 12:45 PM
> Subject: Fw: From Baghdad
>
> Everyone knows about my politics. So you can believe it or not, but I
> didn't decide to pass this on b/c of my politics.
>
> I don't read much coverage of the war. But it's Andy job to read it,
> and he's read a LOT. He doesn't pass on or discuss much of it with
> me, because as he notes, it upsets me. (The e-mail below is actually
> the first thing he's ever sent me about the war.)
>
> Most of you probably know that Andy's views on the reasons to go to
> war in Iraq were much more nuanced and balanced than mine; he wasn't a
> "supporter" but he acknowleged at the time and later that there were
> valid reasons to take the action the Administration did. You probably
> also know that Andy had a well-developed sense of integrity and that
> he remains one of the increasingly rare journalists who takes
> seriously the responsibility to review information as objecitvely as
> he honestly can. In the context of his profession, he does not use
> words like "incredibly powerful," "terrfying" and "depressing" to
> desbribe information or events lightly. But he used them to describe
> the following e-mail.
>
> Which is why I'm passing it on to you. Do with it what you will.
>
> Take care. Mary Beth
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Andrew Rosenthal
> To: Mary Beth Rosenthal
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 11:19 AM
> Subject: FW: From Baghdad
>
> Sweetie, I don't want to depress you, so advance warning that this is
> an incredibly powerful email from a Wall Street Journal reporter in
> Baghdad. it's not gross or anything, just terrifying and profoundly
> depressing. It's worth reading. Feel free to pass it on to anyone
> you'd like.
>
>
> From: "Farnaz Fassihi"
> Subject: From Baghdad
>
> Being a foreign correspondent in Baghdad these days is like being
> under virtual house arrest. Forget about the reasons that lured me to
> this job: a chance to see the world, explore the exotic, meet new
> people in far away lands, discover their ways and tell stories that
> could make a difference.
>
> Little by little, day-by-day, being based in Iraq has defied all those
> reasons. I am house bound. I leave when I have a very good reason to
> and a scheduled interview. I avoid going to peopleÕs homes and never
> walk in the streets. I canÕt go grocery shopping any more, canÕt eat
> in restaurants, canÕt strike a conversation with strangers, canÕt look
>
CONT
I canÕt go grocery shopping any more, canÕt eat
> in restaurants, canÕt strike a conversation with strangers, canÕt look
> for stories, canÕt drive in any thing but a full armored car, canÕt go
> to scenes of breaking news stories, canÕt be stuck in traffic, canÕt
> speak English outside, canÕt take a road trip, canÕt say IÕm an
> American, canÕt linger at checkpoints, canÕt be curious about what
> people are saying, doing, feeling. And canÕt and canÕtÉ.
>
> There has been one too many close calls, including a car bomb so near
> our house that it blew out all the windows. So now my most pressing
> concern every day is not to write a kick-ass story but to stay alive
> and make sure our Iraqi employees stay alive. In Baghdad I am a
> security personnel first, a reporter second.
>
> ItÕs hard to pinpoint when the Ôturning pointÕ exactly began. Was it
> April when the Fallujah fell out of the grasp of the Americans? Was it
> when Moqtada and Jish Mahdi declared war on the U.S. military? Was it
> when Sadr City, home to ten percent of IraqÕs population, became a
> nightly battlefield for the Americans? Or was it when the insurgency
> began spreading from isolated pockets in the Sunni triangle to include
> most of Iraq? Despite President BushÕs rosy assessments, Iraq remains
> a disaster. If under Saddam it was a ÔpotentialÕ threat, under the
> Americans it has been transformed to Ôimminent and active threat,Õ a
> foreign policy failure bound to haunt the United States for decades to
> come.
>
> Iraqis like to call this mess Ôthe situation.Õ When asked Ôhow are
> thing?Õ they reply: Ôthe situation is very bad.Ó
>
> What they mean by situation is this: the Iraqi government doesnÕt
> control most Iraqi cities, there are several car bombs going off each
> day around the country killing and injuring scores of innocent people,
> the countryÕs roads are becoming impassable and littered by hundreds
> of landmines and explosive devices aimed to kill American soldiers,
> there are assassinations, kidnappings and beheadings. The situation,
> basically, means a raging barbaric guerilla war.
>
> In four days, 110 people died and over 300 got injured in Baghdad
> alone. The numbers are so shocking that the ministry of healthÑ which
> was attempting an exercise of public transparency by releasing the
> numbers-- has now stopped disclosing them.
>
> Insurgents now attack Americans 87 times a day.
>
> A friend drove thru the Shiite slum of Sadr City yesterday. He said
> young men were openly placing improvised explosive devices into the
> ground. They melt a shallow hole into the asphalt, dig the explosive,
> cover it with dirt and put an old tire or plastic can over it to
> signal to the locals this is booby-trapped. He said on the main roads
> of Sadr City, there were a dozen landmines per every ten yards. His
> car snaked and swirled to avoid driving over them. Behind
CONT
His
> car snaked and swirled to avoid driving over them. Behind the walls
> sits an angry Iraqi ready to detonate them as soon as an American
> convoy gets near. This is in Shiite land, the population that was
> supposed to love America for liberating Iraq.
>
> For journalists the significant turning point came with the wave of
> abduction and kidnappings. Only two weeks ago we felt safe around
> Baghdad because foreigners were being abducted on the roads and
> highways between towns. Then came a frantic phone call from a
> journalist female friend at 11 p.m. telling me two Italian women had
> been abducted from their homes in broad daylight. Then the two
> Americans, who got beheaded this week and the Brit, were abducted from
> their homes in a residential neighborhood. They were supplying the
> entire block with round the clock electricity from their generator to
> win friends. The abductors grabbed one of them at 6 a.m. when he came
> out to switch on the generator; his beheaded body was thrown back near
> the neighborhoods.
>
> The insurgency, we are told, is rampant with no signs of calming down.
> If any thing, it is growing stronger, organized and more sophisticated
> every day. The various elements within itÑbaathists, criminals,
> nationalists and Al QaedaÑare cooperating and coordinating.
>
> I went to an emergency meeting for foreign correspondents with the
> military and embassy to discuss the kidnappings. We were somberly told
> our fate would largely depend on where we were in the kidnapping chain
> once it was determined we were missing. Here is how it goes: criminal
> gangs grab you and sell you up to Baathists in Fallujah, who will in
> turn sell you to Al Qaeda. In turn, cash and weapons flow the other
> way from Al Qaeda to the Baathisst to the criminals. My friend
> Georges, the French journalist snatched on the road to Najaf, has been
> missing for a month with no word on release or whether he is still alive.
>
> AmericaÕs last hope for a quick exit? The Iraqi police and National
> Guard units we are spending billions of dollars to train. The cops are
> being murdered by the dozens every dayÑover 700 to date-- and the
> insurgents are infiltrating their ranks. The problem is so serious
> that the U.S. military has allocated $6 million dollars to buy out
> 30,000 cops they just trained to get rid of them quietly.
>
> As for reconstruction: firstly itÕs so unsafe for foreigners to
> operate that almost all projects have come to a halt. After two years,
> of the $18 billion Congress appropriated for Iraq reconstruction only
> about $1 billion or so has been spent and a chuck has now been
> reallocated for improving security, a sign of just how bad things are
> going here.
>
> Oil dreams? Insurgents disrupt oil flow routinely as a result of
> sabotage and oil prices have hit record high of $49 a barrel.
>
> Who did this war exactly
CONT
>
> Who did this war exactly benefit? Was it worth it? Are we safer
> because Saddam is holed up and Al Qaeda is running around in Iraq?
>
> Iraqis say that thanks to America they got freedom in exchange for
> insecurity. Guess what? They say theyÕd take security over freedom any
> day, even if it means having a dictator ruler.
>
> I heard an educated Iraqi say today that if Saddam Hussein were
> allowed to run for elections he would get the majority of the vote.
> This is truly sad.
>
> Then I went to see an Iraqi scholar this week to talk to him about
> elections here. He has been trying to educate the public on the
> importance of voting. He said, ÒPresident Bush wanted to turn Iraq
> into a democracy that would be an example for the Middle East. Forget
> about democracy, forget about being a model for the region, we have to
> salvage Iraq before all is lost.Ó
>
> One could argue that Iraq is already lost beyond salvation. For those
> of us on the ground itÕs hard to imagine what if any thing could
> salvage it from its violent downward spiral.
>
> The genie of terrorism, chaos and mayhem has been unleashed onto this
> country as a result of American mistakes and it canÕt be put back into
> a bottle.
>
> The Iraqi government is talking about having elections in three months
> while half of the country remains a Ôno go zoneÕÑout of the hands of
> the government and the Americans and out of reach of journalists. In
> the other half, the disenchanted population is too terrified to show
> up at polling stations. The Sunnis have already said theyÕd boycott
> elections, leaving the stage open for polarized government of Kurds
> and Shiites that will not be deemed as legitimate and will most
> certainly lead to civil war.
>
> I asked a 28-year-old engineer if he and his family would participate
> in the Iraqi elections since it was the first time Iraqis could to
> some degree elect a leadership. His response summed it all: ÒGo and
> vote and risk being blown into pieces or followed by the insurgents
> and murdered for cooperating with the Americans? For what? To practice
> democracy? Are you joking?Ó
>
>
> -Farnaz
>
>
>
>
>
>
Wow.
On more trivial matters: The Daily Show is doing a live post-debate wrap-up at 11pm ET on Thursday.
I so want Jon Stewart to be the one who sets the tone for the media spinning.
Here's a lovely little tableaux,
for those wondering what Christianity
is all about:
Fistfights broke out yesterday
between Christians gathered on the
site of the crucifixion and burial of
Jesus Christ.
"There was lots of hitting going
on. Police were hit, monks were hit
... there were people with bloodied
faces," said a witness in the Church
of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem, reputed to be Golgotha where Christ
was crucified, and the site of the
tomb where he was buried.
The punch-up erupted during a
procession to mark the discovery in
327 by Helena, mother of Constantine,
of the True Cross.
A Greek Orthodox cleric said
Franciscans had left open their chapel
door in what was taken as disrespect.
Priests and worshippers hit one
another at the doorway dividing
Orthodox and Franciscans, said a
police spokesman.
anon - You should post that email as a diary over on Kos. They're being picked up by Google News now, so it has a shot to make a splash there.
These are the calls where everybody listens and nobody can talk or ask questions.
This is like a horror movie.
Hey! I'm a team leader, I always knew it would pay off
Anyone got any doubts who people truly would rather have a beer with?
Haven't seen an Atrios thread this dead in a while...
Well, here we go, my 1st post ever. And quite early in the a.m. on a thread that seems like it may be dying out. Maybe I can give it an itty-bitty shot of a chance a longer life, maybe not. Oh, and this is gonna be OT as well, but I have a question youfolks maybe able to help me with.
Any of you know exactly how the Secret Service operates with respect to a sitting presidents properties? I am thinking that they would only vist and secure the places when the prez, or someone in his immediate family, is actually there. And not maintain a full security, probably only a ske;leton crew, if that, at these places when no-one in the family is there.
Haven't seen an Atrios thread this dead in a while...
Yeah. Late night lurking is no fun when Incognito isn't around.
I saw a gentleman presented as a very savvy Moslem scholar on Tina Brown Topic A (CNBC Intenat'l) last night saying he had just got back from Bagdad-Mosul where he's talked to people from ordinary folk up to generals. Thank you very much sir, etc.
So there's a ever-widening, yawning gap between what the Administration and the media - MOST of the time is preenting as what's happening in Iraq. I guess we just have to continue scrutinizing for more and bigger cracks in the facade, writing in occasionally. I mean how long can they keep spinning this horror?
Answer: until 11/02.
When Abu Ghraib broke, I actually phoned into the IHT here in Paris and asked the news editor if this wasn't significant - he mumbled something about 'isolated cases'. They only put in on front page 3-4 four days later when it broke worldwide. Just shows to go ya.
Yeah. Late night lurking is no fun when Incognito isn't around
Heh.
Can't argue with that. Not to say that it is much fun when he is.
I'm missing Philalethes, my own self.
And NY Mary and Thersites.
Q: What time is it?
A: It's time to get shrill!
Q: What time is it?
A: It's time to get shrill!
Barry Freed
Barry
I don't get it....
Atrios, I hope you can comment on anon's post. Is this reliably sourced? What do Bush's beloved insurance companies have to say about this?
Safi,
I suspected the DNC was involved when that graphic appeared all over the place last week. I seem to remember reading somewhere a week or so ago that the DNC was scheduling a call or something to coordinate tactics with the left blogosphere -- just wondering what the strategy is behind this campaign -- right now, they're preaching to the choir. Wondering if they're planning to bubble the "Bush is two faced" meme up to the major media, and if so, when?
Will this be a major theme for Big John on Thursday?
Well, I'm a cornfed hick, a nobody in a swing state, working in retail. So what do I know? But its easy to connect the dots on the timeline.
I do believe that it will be John Kerry at bat. An aluminum bat. Swinging at a plastic trash can lid. Held by junior.
Accidentally sent my post before I was finished, and then my connection severed for some reason, am on a dial-up.
I supposed my question is kinda boring, perhaps even quite silly, but I'm trying to get the facts about an email I received earlier today concerning the "great expense' it would take to provide SS protection to Kerry, as compared to W, seeing as John and Theresa have 5 different "Mansions", blah, blah, blah. I don't want to get boring with the details, since it looks to me as tho the email is fairly amateur propaganda. But the person who sent it to me seemed to believe it, or a good bit of it, and I'd like to be able to quote the SS's actual practices to this person.
So if anbody is still out there this morning, thanks in advance for any assistance. I've learned quite a bit from the posters here, a lot of intelligent and thoughtful commentary to my hopefully not too-dead or hypnotised mind
Bush has taken this country from a 4 trillion dollar surplus to a 5 trillion defecit -or so- and this person is worrying about SS expense....
Good night all.
anon-
Farnaz Fassihi
From a quick google.
Well, here we go, my 1st post ever. And quite early in the a.m. on a thread that seems like it may be dying out. Maybe I can give it an itty-bitty shot of a chance a longer life, maybe not. Oh, and this is gonna be OT as well, but I have a question youfolks maybe able to help me with.
Any of you know exactly how the Secret Service operates with respect to a sitting presidents properties? I am thinking that they would only vist and secure the places when the prez, or someone in his immediate family, is actually there. And not maintain a full security, probably only a ske;leton crew, if that, at these places when no-one in the family is there.
regards the debate rules. Rule made to be broken.
Does Jesus' General know about this??? lol...
Well, here we go, my 1st post ever. And quite early in the a.m. on a thread that seems like it may be dying out. Maybe I can give it an itty-bitty shot of a chance a longer life, maybe not. Oh, and this is gonna be OT as well, but I have a question youfolks maybe able to help me with.
Any of you know exactly how the Secret Service operates with respect to a sitting presidents properties? I am thinking that they would only vist and secure the places when the prez, or someone in his immediate family, is actually there. And not maintain a full security, probably only a ske;leton crew, if that, at these places when no-one in the family is there.
The Man with the Red-Eyes
I wonder how hard it is to provide Jenna and Not-Jenna with proper security at the dozens of bars they visit monthly.
I also wonder if the Secret Service would cover for them in Iraq, considering they are looking for a job and all.
How about presidential yachts? Doesn't George Senior have a yacht or two? Does the Secret Service provide coverage on all those presidential yachts? Secret Service benefits don't die when you are booted from the 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
How about you stop parroting asinine Newsmax-type gossip on a liberal weblog?
How about that?
Bullshit smells like bullshit. You have a nose, use it.
O'Reilly's viewers are more doped up an AP article says:
The folks at Comedy Central were annoyed when Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly kept referring to "The Daily Show" audience as "stoned slackers." So they did a little research. And guess whose audience is more educated?
Viewers of Jon Stewart's show are more likely to have completed four years of college than people who watch "The O'Reilly Factor," according to Nielsen Media Research.
O'Reilly's teasing came when Stewart appeared on his show earlier this month.
"You know what's really frightening?" O'Reilly said. "You actually have an influence on this presidential election. That is scary, but it's true. You've got stoned slackers watching your dopey show every night and they can vote."
Comedy Central executives realized, and O'Reilly acknowledged, that he was poking fun. But they said they didn't want a misconception to persist.
"If the head of General Motors was watching O'Reilly's show, that could be very important to us," said Doug Herzog, Comedy Central president.
"If you listen to O'Reilly, you get the sense that it was crazy longhairs behind the show," he said. "And it's not. It's great, smart television that attracts a well-compensated audience, most of whom are voting age."
Relax, said Fox News Channel spokesman Rob Zimmerman.
"Comedy Central must have lost their sense of humor," Zimmerman said. "Without Jon Stewart, Comedy Central would turn into the Great American Country Channel."
Comedy Central also touted a recent study by the University of Pennsylvania's National Annenberg Election Survey, which said young viewers of "The Daily Show" were more likely to answer questions about politics correctly than those who don't.
Comedy Central had no statistics on how many people watch "The Daily Show" stoned.
Although seemingly taken aback by repeated "stoned slackers" references while talking with O'Reilly, Stewart was ready with a joke.
"This election is going to rely on the undecided," he said. "And who is more undecided than stoned slackers? Ice cream or pretzels? Ice cream or pretzels? What's it going to be?
Whether it's the slacker or no-slacker zone, O'Reilly is entering it Oct. 7, when he's scheduled to appear on "The Daily Show."
So if Stewart's audience is comprised of stoned slackers, how would Herzog describe O'Reilly's audience?
"I'm not getting into that game," he said.
___
September 27, 2004 - 6:12 p.m. CDT
Anyone think O'Really's blotches are a product of pot allergies? I've often thought his paranoid style reflects some sort of substance abuse.
Just wanted some more specific details of the Secret Services SOP to throw back in the face of the person who sent me the e-mail. Couldn't find the detail I wanted on their website. Yes I thought the email was complete bullshit.
The yacht info was nice. Thanks for that
OT, but Hunting of the President is out on DVD today...
Brothers in Arms is also out...
I got an e-mail from Mrs. Cahill
yesterday;
"George Bush is a very good debater. In fact, he has never lost a debate in his political career."
Actually, George Bush has never WON
a debate. He was creamed by Anne
Richards, but the power of homophobia
prevaled in Texas and GW won.
He was creamed by Al Gore (remember?)
and they had to steal the election.
Before then, he lost his other races
for office, so how the hell can
anyone say that he has "never lost
a debate." JOHN KERRY, on the other
hand, has truly NEVER LOST a debate.
If he loses this race, it will NOT
be because Dubya outsmarted him on
that stage.
Bush did lose the debates in 2000. More Americans voted for Gore than they did for Bush. The SCLM however thought it knew better than the electorate and persisted in calling white black.
Since everything this morning is OT, a question and a comment:
The Question: What's this with embedding "tinyURL"'s? It foiles "mouse overs" and allows subtle trolls to hide their right-wingery.
The Comment: God damn Thomas Nast. He drew Republicans as elephants. Elephants are noble, sensitive, and intelligent creatures. Not one of those adjectives apply to modern Republicans.
.
AHahahahhahaha
ruester -
shhhh....You know that, and I might know that, but remember, John Kerry told it to Jon Stewart, too...Bush has never lost a debate...
Cahill and others are repeating this and need to repeat it to counter the "gee if he can manage to stand upright and not drool too much, he's doing great" meme.
So remember, GWB has never lost a debate. Pass it on...
Kate
Fucking genius. I love it!
George Bush is such a good debater,
if he loses by even a hair it means
he's suffering a mental breakdown!
Krugman has it right:
"Let's face it: whatever happens in Thursday's debate, cable news will proclaim President Bush the winner. This will reflect the political bias so evident during the party conventions. It will also reflect the undoubted fact that Mr. Bush does a pretty good Clint Eastwood imitation."
http://nytimes.com/2004/09/28/op.../
28krugman.html
The Question: What's this with embedding "tinyURL"'s? It foiles "mouse overs" and allows subtle trolls to hide their right-wingery.
Long URLs break Haloscan. Newspaper sites have long URLs. Breaking Haloscan is worse than any of your downsides.
Holy shit,
Edwards just called Bush a liar. He said the L word
angela:
shrillblog
check it out.
ack, my html embedded link didn't work. click on my hompage link for the shrillblog
I've been away for a while and unable to follow the stories leading to Thursday's "debate."
Can anyone tell me why the meeting between Kerry and Bush is being called a debate?
From what I've read recently, what will happen on Thursday will most certainly NOT be a debate.
Why did the Kerry people agree to this sham?
I think this is probably a mistake to post this here--I could be wrong, but they will probably cancel now and reschedule. Better would have been to e-mail about 50 friends directly, and then post what happened during the call. That's what I want to hear.
Shaw,
Kerry will just have to end each answer with a sharp question to bush
Edwards just called Bush a liar. He said the L word
where?
stupid is swayed by pretty colors or 'swagger'
america is mostly stupid
stupid is EASILY brainwashable - "iraq is going well"
stupid wins here
this is why europe seems soo alien - intelligence wins there!
From the LA Times editorial page today: GEORGE BUSH IS A COWARD
[skip]
"As this page noted during the second Swift boat attack, the Vietnam antiwar movement (or at least the part of it Kerry was associated with) was the essence of patriotism, trying to rescue our country from a terrible mistake and to prevent the waste of any more young lives. Those who attack Kerry today for opposing the war back then overlook the fact that the country came to agree with him. If Kerry and others had refrained from criticism out of a crude notion of patriotism and a misguided "respect" for American troops, many more of those troops would be long dead today."
"Kerry's position on Iraq is not a model of clarity and consistency. His critique of the Bush policy has the tang of opportunism. But he is more right than wrong, certainly more right than Bush, and in any event more within his rights to make the argument than Bush is in trying to suppress it. And, as with Vietnam, the nation's policy is gradually shifting Kerry's way. Would Bush have made even the halfhearted efforts of recent weeks to share the burden and direction of the war with the United Nations if he hadn't been looking over his shoulder at the Democratic candidate for his job? To accuse Kerry of aiding the enemy while taking his advice is despicable."
"Compared with Kerry, George W. Bush is a coward. This is not a reference to their respective activities during Vietnam. It refers to the current election campaign. Bush happily benefits from the slime his supporters are spreading but refuses to take responsibility for it or to call point-blank for it to stop. He got away with this when the prime mover was the shadowy Swift boats group. Will he get away with it when the accusers are his own vice president, high officials of his own administration (Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage) and members of Congress from his own party (House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert or Sen. Orrin Hatch)? The answer is yes: Based on recent experience, he probably will get away with it."
"Team leader doesn't mean anything, mate."
"Excuse me, it means I'm the leader of a team."
"No it doesn't -- it's a title someone's given you to get you to do something they don't want to do, for free. Right? It's like making a div kid at school milk monitor. No one respects it."
"I think they do."
"No, they don't, Gareth."
"Er, yes, they do, because if people were rude to me then I used to give them their milk last, so it was warm."
--The Office
Wow, Shaw!
That's one hell of an editorial! Was that the one written by the whole editorial board (no specific author)? I'm very impressed. Although I believe the answer to the last question, on election day, will be a resounding No, mofos, no!
Based on recent experience, he probably will get away with it.
He'll only get away with it if the media allows him to.
If the Rovian strategy is to attack the opponent's strength, wouldn't it make sense to attack bush's strength?
And what's bush's real strength?
Rove.
another excerpt from kitty kelley's THE FAMILY
on gwb, page 423
[QUOTE]
After five years of dry holes and middling wells, George wqas in trouble. He decided to rename his company and shwcase the family name so that he could attract more people to limited partnerships. He wanted to go public, expand his company, and raise $6 million. Hence, Arbusto became Bush Exploration Company, but George failed miserably. He raised only $1.3 million. Worse, he drilled only dry holes, and his investors lost 75 percent of their money.
"I really realized I had made somewhat of a strategic error," he admitted later.
"I was called in to handle the name change," recalled the Midland attorney Robert K. Whitt, "and I jumped at the chance. I wanted to get to know George better. That was in May 1982. He was already throwing around that vice presidential stuff. To really impress us, he'd say 'When Dad and the President...' or 'When the Vice President and Reagan get together...' That was pretty heady stuff in a little Texas town of about seventy thousand people.
"After I did the name change for George, he called and asked us to prepare an agreement to sell 10 percent of his company for $1 million to Phillip A. Uzielli...'Keep it bland,' he said. 'Phil will bring in the money.' I've never done a deal like that...The deal smelled.; it really smelled., but it wasn't illegal. Still, I couldn't figure out why someone would spend $1 million to buy 10 percent of a company that was worth only $382,386. In other words, Uzielli paid $1 million for assets that were worth $38,237.
"I became even more suspicious when Uzielli walked in, slid a blank check across the table for $1 million, and said 'Where do I sign?' He had no attorney. he asked no questions. He requested no information. So strange for a $1 million tranaction, even in the high-flying oil and gas business.
"'Don't you want to read the agreeement?' I asked
"'It's not my money,' he said. 'I'm not concerned.'
"The stock was issued in the name of a Panamanian corporation named Executive Resources, of which Uzielli was chairman and CEO...George didn't want me to include wording in the legal papers that stated the corporation was organized under the laws of Panama and the sale was consummated with a cash purchase of $1 million, but I had to."
George, who gave everyone a nickname, called the lawyer "Dim wit." When Robert Whitt, then with the law firm of Cotton, Bledsoe, Tighe, and Dawson, asked George why he was doing business with a Panamanian corporation, he replied: "Dumb question, Dim wit."
Phillip A. Uzielli was James Baker's best friend at Princeton. He went into business with George L. Ohrstrom of Middleburg, Virginia, who also had known the Bush family in Connecticut and went to the Greenwich Country Day School with George Herbert Walker Bush. Earlier the Ohrstroms had invested fifty thou
omg did i just break haloscan????
i am so sorry!!!!
RRC
(Rapid Response Corps)
Key to information warfare is
1) SPEED
2) Organization
3) Talking Points
4) Consistency - Staying on message
We should get the willing people to form the Rapid Response Corps (RRC).
These are willing Bloggers/Readers/Volunteers who are going to go out and spin as soon as the debate is over. We have to fight fire with fire.
They've got money, we have numbers, conviction, and hunger for revenge.
We don't necessarily have the connections people like J.Carville, J.Lockheart or the Bartlett/Dowd duo, but we can write letters to the editor, and influence local media outlets.
Reader opinions DO INFLUENCE the papers, especially if they come from NUMBERS. Moveon guys have it, ACT guys have it, the GOPers were the first ones copy/incorporate/implement the strategy on a grand scale.
The info war is on. Do WE have what it takes?
Here's what I think we can/should/will do for these debates:
SPEED - Whatever we are planning on doing on Thursday night, we need to have it done in advance. Letter templates, easy to copy, short to the point and most importantly consistent. Get the talking points and disseminate.
Organization - This should be a concentrated strike. Any readers/bloggers from the battlegrounds and beyond have precedence, although every media market is fair game.
Talking Points - Meat of the matter, here's some web resources (some from KE04 site)
KE 04 Rapid Response team
http://www.johnkerry.com/mediacorps/
Examples:
- Bush did not follow the rules of the debates
- Bush was disrespectful, did not answer questions succinctly.
- Make his prime attacks on Bush's character, not just his decisions:
- poor judgment
- lack of curiosity
- living in fantasy land
- dishonesty
- Memorable line - call Bush the Tinkerbell/Failure Presidency
4) Consistency - No straing off message "playing Moses" (Carville term), everybody repeats the same ideas. We create our own echo chamber...the Beast (the media) will follow.
And REMEMBER, Their money will never surpass our voracity and hunger to win!
(cont)
Phillip A. Uzielli was James Baker's best friend at Princeton. He went into business with George L. Ohrstrom of Middleburg, Virginia, who also had known the Bush family in Connecticut and went to the Greenwich Country Day School with George Herbert Walker Bush. Earlier the Ohrstroms had invested fifty thousand dollars in Arbusto. Uzielli, who became on of the three directors of Bush Exploration, told /THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS/ that he had met George in 1979, "after his father was director of the C.I.A." George claimed he did not meet Uzielli until he stepped forward in 1982 with his $1 million. He also claimed he knew nothing of Uzielli's Princeton friendship with Jim Baker.
"Very hard to beleive George on that," said Whitt,"but I don't know why he would lie. It's as much a mystery to me as why Uzielli would invest a million dollars in a company with no earnings potential, no profit, and very little value. And why a Panamanian partner, I don't know. Some people might use a Panamanian corporation as away to cover drug money and drug dealers...The whole transaction was very odd. No one else in Midland had a Panamanian corporation, but then George was the only one whose father was a former CIA cheif serving as Vice President of the United States. Tat made George such a bug deal in Midland that everyone wanted to get close to him. Our law firm even halved his bills." Whit pointed to a large black leather-bound book. "That represnts $50,000-$100,000 worth of work, but George was only billed for half the time. The firm wanted to do business with him, so they kept their bills lower for him than anyone else."
Showing my ingnorance - what does SCLM mean?
Actually the password isn't "Team Leader."
It's "Mannschaftführer."
SCLM=So-Called Liberal Media
Shaw, Thanks - makes sense.
Thank you for posting the excerpt from Kitty Kelly's book, n69n. The media whores seem to be trying to bury it now that it's been out a couple of weeks.
Prediction: Tey won't list her in the credits or footnotes but many, many writers and papers and books on the Bush II junta will go to Kitty first. Then they'll look for the same information in more up-market sources, probably the same ones she dug out first.
Kitty's books on the period will live on despite their best efforts.
omg did i just break haloscan????
i am so sorry!!!!
n69n
"Breaking" Haloscan refers to blowing out the l-r margins, like when
somebody posts a long URL or string of characters without spaces. That was
done in this thread at... lessee... 12:59 AM. You didn't "break" Haloscan,
you just went over the individual message limit and it truncated your
message. You just have to post the rest of it, if you're so moved.
But bless you for givin' a damn. 
Man, who put the starch in the Times' undies? And yeah, that's an unsigned sense-of-the-paper editorial... kinda makes you nostalgiac for the days when they printed Conrad on the actual editorial page instead of the facing op-ed section...
"this is why europe seems soo alien - intelligence wins there!"
From your mouth to God's ears, son.
This just goes to show how important it is to have good pr. Having a bumbling misunderestimated cowboy for preznit will not endear your nation to the obscure intellectual elites of Europe, but maybe that is just the point: bumble the world into submission.
What a headline to wake up to in the morning.
Bush Administration takes heat for a CIA plan to influence Iraq's elections
President Bush and interim Iraqi Prime Minister Iyad Allawi insisted last week that Iraq would go ahead with elections scheduled for January, despite continuing violence. But U.S. officials tell TIME that the Bush team ran into trouble with another plan involving those elections — a secret "finding" written several months ago proposing a covert CIA operation to aid candidates favored by Washington. A source says the idea was to help such candidates — whose opponents might be receiving covert backing from other countries, like Iran — but not necessarily to go so far as to rig the elections. But lawmakers from both parties raised questions about the idea when it was sent to Capitol Hill.
In particular, House minority leader Nancy Pelosi "came unglued" when she learned about what a source described as a plan for "the CIA to put an operation in place to affect the outcome of the elections." Pelosi had strong words with National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice in a phone call about the issue.
Rice spokesman Sean McCormack says, "I cannot in any way comment on classified matters, the existence or nonexistence of findings." But, McCormack says, "there have been and continue to be concerns about efforts by outsiders to influence the outcome of the Iraqi elections, including money flowing from Iran. This raises concerns about whether there will be a level playing field for the election. This situation has posed difficult dilemmas about what action, if any, the U.S. should take in response. In the final analysis, we have adopted a policy that we will not try to influence the outcome of the upcoming Iraqi election by covertly helping individual candidates for office." A senior U.S. official hinted that, under pressure from the Hill, the Administration scaled back its original plans. "This was a tough call. We went back and forth on it in the U.S. government.
Juan Cole and David Corn are on it too.
These people really have a profound respect for democracy. Bastards...
ok, my offering for the morning Jon Stewar vs. Bill O'Liely
“You know what’s really frightening?” O’Reilly said. “You actually have an influence on this presidential election. That is scary, but it’s true. You’ve got stoned slackers watching your dopey show every night and they can vote.”
as a college educated, stoned slacker, i just want to say what's really frightening are dipwits like o'liely. and this time i'm voting.
time for the reasonable to take this country back from the ignorant cretins.
Man, who put the starch in the Times' undies?
Kinsley.
“You know what’s really frightening?” O’Reilly said. “You actually have an influence on this presidential election. That is scary, but it’s true. You’ve got stoned slackers watching your dopey show every night and they can vote.”
You know what's really cool? Jon Stewart's take on the first debate may be the one that sets the tone for the next day's coverage.
"This was a tough call. We went back and forth on it in the U.S. government..."
"And finally decided that it's much easier to influence our OWN elections instead.
Next question.
Really interesting poll. Any Kerry Staffers out there?!?
OT: American's Terrorism Fears Decline.
http://tinyurl.com/5j5ql
"Joining the call is easy! Simply dial the call-in number above and use the pass code "Team Leader". Hope you can join us and thank you for your continued support. Please encourage your friends and family to join the call!!"
Just $.99 for the first minute, and .75 for each minute thereafter...
Dude, you can do better than this.
anonymous in nc -- Edwards called BushCo liars in NH yesterday at a wonderful town hall meeting in Manchester. He said, "They will absolutely lie about everything." The statement has gotten good press coverage. Kristen Breitweiser (9/11 widow) spoke to noting that she voted for Bush in 2000 and apologizing for it. She was amazing in her assessment of how Bush has not made us safer and how the admin "stonewalled" on absolutely everying regarding the 9/11 commission's work.
Big shocker: Bush conspired with insurers to boost their profits
When are people in America going to wake up and realize they are living in a fascist state?
I wish I typed better -- that's spoke "too" and "everything". Sorry.
God damn Thomas Nast. He drew Republicans as elephants. Elephants are noble, sensitive, and intelligent creatures. Not one of those adjectives apply to modern Republicans.
They also consume vast amounts of resources and leave great piles of shit in their wake.
His media person seemed to hint at a surprise of sorts, but (a) I sort of doubt there is and (b) I can't imagine what it would be if there was...
Maybe that is because you are not as smart as Kerry? Just kidding...well, not really. Look, they say Kerry is a good closer and that is true but the reason for that is because Kerry is very, very smart; smart enough to be able to come up with strategies that allow him to be a good closer. So if anyone can come up a good surprise, it is him.
Good point, Romdinstler. A lousy closer would be someone whose pitch was predictable.
Here's the Edwards calling BushCo "liars" story.
http://tinyurl.com/537uv
He also refused to cross a firefighter's union picketline. Cost the campaign $500K?
Just for once, I'd like to see firefighters and police put a picketline outside a BuchCo rally. Have they? Are do they just put the Dems on the spot?
Things I would love to hear.
"Would you wipe that smirk off your face! This is not a damn game! People are dying because of your incompetance!
Media Whore: "My question is for Mr. Kerry. Mr. Kerry, you've said in the past that...(blah, blah, blah)"
Kerry: "I'll answer that in a second. Now, Mr. President, as we both know, one of the current rules for this debate is that we are not supposed to ask each other questions. I suggest that we suspend that rule for this debate so that you and I can have a direct dialogue in front of the American public on the foreign policy issues facing the country. Will you engage in this dialogue with me tonight?"
Possible Bush Response #1: "No."
(That looks bad, Bushie!)
Possible Bush Response #2: "Hey, that was a question, you're not supposed to ask me questions!"
(Kind of whiny, don't you think, Bushie?)
Possible Bush Response #3: "Yes."
(Game, set and match, Bushie).
And then next day in the media, if the Bushies complain about Kerry breaking the rules, they look even more whiny than in #2.
Dave sez:
They also consume vast amounts of resources and leave great piles of shit in their wake.
I concede the point.
.
Romdinstler -
Now I'm really starting to like the way you think!
Kate,
Well, good, I guess but Bush might be able to come up with a good response. Something like:
"You agreed to the rules but now, like on so many other things, it sounds like you want to flip flop."
That's the best I can come up with. Would that work for Bush? Maybe but I'm not so sure. Kerry could come back with, "Yes, but will you directly debate these issues with me tonight?!?"
Angryfinger
from the repug convention, arguments about the war are fine, but we are not safer from terror, and the repugs are responsible for this.
Romdinstler -
Are you by any chance an attorney?
Lt. Gov. Steele will discuss his personal experience at this year's convention and how to get more involved in the upcoming election
I guess this involves tips on firing up the hate machine, 101 ways to steal the election and new and exciting ways to exert mind control over hapless sheep. Otherwise known as Bu$h fans.
Who the fuck keeps
breaking haloscan?
new and exciting ways to exert mind control over hapless sheep.
Actually, I think it must get very boring. And this is the point in the process when they feel pure disgust for the sheep.
Isn't it interesting that O'leily attacks The Daily Show right after they've won two Emmys (ies?) (which O'leily never did.) Stewart is the most credible "news" person on TV (or anywhere else for that matter) and if you couldn't laugh at these people we would all go insane. Bill better watch out, Jon is much smarter than he is (and also a nice Jewish boy.)
O'Really's blotches are probably caused by some type of narcotic. he's really opened himself for scrutiny wih that comment.
The debates should be very interesting even if Bush can't be asked a "cold" question. Now America will never know if Bush can put 4 words together on his own. I personally know he can't. It takes his right lobe ( Karl Rove ) and his left lobe, ( Karen Hughes ) just to know if his nose is itching.
Paul Krugman's article this morning is right on. Bush will be the winner. I am just hoping that Kerry sways a few minds, even if it doesn't show up in the polls, it will hopefully show up in the voting booth.
I watched the 2000 Gore/Bush debates last weekend on C-Span. In retrospect, Gore was so annoying with the "lock box" reference all thru it. Kerry needs to avoid anything that "cute". Kerry could take all his campaign ads from that 2000 debate. It was a revelation listening to Bush's plans, knowing how it turned out 4 yrs later. That part is very sad, since so many people out there don't remember.
Krugman's article
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/2.../
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After reading Naomi Klein's piece in Harpers,
I recognized something I should have seen before:
we're not being led by Republicans, but by Ferengi.
Instead of being POTUS, Bush really wants to be
Grand Nagus, and run the country by the Rules of
Acquisition, not the Constitution.
So the proper address should either be Pres. Quark
or Grand Nagus Bush.
Wonder if Laura enjoys stimulating his lobes?
Let me put it this way:
if GWB wins, you're not welcome here in any capacity.
if JFK wins, I'll make you a really nice dinner if any American shows up at my doorstep, anytime.
I'm feeling the need to do a little rat-fucking on Wednesday!
What is interesting about the debate format rules that the press are reporting on (local SF TV) all seem to be disadvantaged to Kerry and negotiated by Bush.
Well, it ties into the great lib hope/graveyard-transit-whistling that Lurch is a "closer." Since his campaign has been in absolute free-fall for the past month, and the only thing he'll be good at closing are Dem offices all over the country, Lurch has had to bet ever-more on the debates. The current lib screeching point is that Lurch needs as many opportunities as possible to contrast himself directly with the president, hence his trading away everything that might've played to his dubious advantages to secure the crucial third debate. Despite Vernon Jordan's reputation in lib circles (which is no reputation worth anything at all, really), he was so constrained by the three-debates-demand that James Baker effectively robbed him blind. Lurch will be sweating like a pig, twisting in the wind, flip-flopping for his very life, desperate to cram his droning War and Peace-length answers to the simplest of questions into his allotted two minutes. I would love to start a pool on what percentage of Lurch's "answers" get cut off by the on-stage timers. My conservative guess is 90%.
I'm so proud to be a progressive...thanks for the work, dudes/comrades.
I guess the trolls do not even have enough energy or brain cells anymore to even pick a name to use.
Hmmm...password noted....
Long URLs break Haloscan. Newspaper sites have long URLs. Breaking Haloscan is worse than any of your downsides.
If you embed a URL, the length doesn't matter. Long URLs break haloscan if they aren't embedded. Either embed or use TinyURL, not both.
I guess the trolls do not even have enough energy or brain cells anymore to even pick a name to use.
Kerry: "I'll answer that in a second. Now, Mr. President, as we both know, one of the current rules for this debate is that we are not supposed to ask each other questions. I suggest that we suspend that rule for this debate so that you and I can have a direct dialogue in front of the American public on the foreign policy issues facing the country. Will you engage in this dialogue with me tonight?"
Better idea: Kerry shouldn't do this, what he should do is simply ignore the debate rule that says he can't address what Bush said or ask him questions. Instead, he should just address Bush at will and ask him any damn thing he wants. What's Bush gonna do, cry "foul" right up their on stage in front of the entire country? He'd look exactly like the coward he is. And if the Bushies protest the next day, they'll still come of as a bunch of whiners. Sure, they might decide to pull out of the remaining debates, but they'd have to give a reason, they'd have to say "Well, Kerry doesn't play fair". Whiny! And besides, Kerry going off-base ballistic on Bush during this first foreign policy debate would do him a world of good come Nov 2 even if there were no more debates.
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