I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
And Bush was completely defiant on O'Reilly, claiming he had fulfilled his TANG obligations, was ready willing and able to go to Vietnam if called, was proud of his service, blah blah blah.
I'm starting to think the debate don't matter, though I hope JK kicks his chimpy ass!!!! This is not a beauty contest election. I listen to all the pundits and realize they don't get it. This election is about saving our country from a corporate takeover of government. Don't forget that the dems have registered 10X as many voters!! Think about how you feel - what could keep you home on election day short of armed guards?
This Martin Kozloff guy just won't go away! Well actually I noticed on an earlier thread that horesfeathers has taken down all his postings...Very interesting.
So I wrote him back one last email that I wanted to share with you all...
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Martin, we've noticed that all references to your articles have been taken down. Gone but not forgotten.
Re our converstaion yesterday, whether you are or are not the person you claimed to be does not matter. What has been described in the email and on countless blog entries are what's important.
We can choose to do what is right or what is wrong but whether you are or are not the person you claim to be, all our actions will be met with reactions in all aspects of our lives.
So I learned from you that you were former military, as am I. I learned you DO own guns and in your own words "could kill from 400 yards" as could I.
Yet what we do with our lives is what separates us. If you are against all you wrote in your letter, so be it. If you are not (for I can never REALLY know) and if you do one day decide on acting out what you wrote against those you see as "enemies" (again, I can never REALLY KNOW) than all I ask is for you to know that there are many in this country who will stop you.
Liberals in this nation, now more than ever with proto-fascism on the rise in America under the bush regime, see clearly what is at stake for our future as the true believers in America, the Constitution and democracy itself, just as the liberal founding fathers in this country did against the tyranny of they fought.
And because of that, it is the liberals who will, in the end, fight harder and fiercer than anyone else to ensure that we do not lose what has been fought for so long and hard by our predecessors...For we have more to lose in this struggle than those on the right who choose to tear it down.
Good luck to you.
W was 'flying' back then, on cocaine and booze (and alledgedly volleyball pool secretaries).
Pollyana -- They do get it. They're in on it. Which is why we must deal with them after the election. And don't rule out the armed guards.
We will win. But we have to watch our asses against these snakes.
The only way wingers would make anything of this is if O'Lielly and his ilk started going "This guy is a bum and has been lying to us about flying and drug use, etc, etc. all along...he has NO character" and whats the chance of that happening?
Too bad these morons in the VRWC don't realize that they'd be MUCH better off in a Kerry presidency... they'd have ENDLESS crap to carp about and could stay red-faced with rage for "four more years"...
U.S. Effort Aims to Improve Opinions About Iraq Conflict
http://tinyurl.com/63u6f
Bush lying. Whodathunkit.
silly I know but MSNBC has a poll
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6092749/
silly I know but MSNBC has a poll
up chris matthews ass
Kinda OT: 4 car bombs have exploded in Baghdad this morning, killing at least 35 and injuring 120 - and CNN has mentioned it exactly once in 90 minutes, in the context of one American killed and no mention of the number of car bombs.
But hey, Vioxx has been taken off the market!!!
SCUM suckas.
Pretty much OT, but you gotta check out Juan Cole, as usual. Iraqi Prez gets uppity about U.S. military "collective punishment."; Cole starts to deliver what Marshall has been claiming he's got but can't tell us. No film at 11 though.
juan cole
Tim Russert just said that:
"John Kerry needs to speak clearly and understandably ..."
More tarring the Dem with the Rep stick!
c.
I'd love to see one of the debate moderators decide to make a name for himself by breaking all the "rules." Go ahead and ask questions not submitted in advance. Go ahead and ask follow-up questions. Show the world that you're a real journalist and not just a hack.
Barring that, I would like to see Kerry, in this debate, start breaking the rules. Let the moderator chide him a few times. Eventually, the moderator will get worried about having chided Kerry too much and will worry that he'll look biased for doing so. Then, he'll let Kerry get away with one or two and that's when Kerry should really open up a can of whup. Walk over to Bush's podium, tower over him, and give him what-for.
Actually, whatever happens, Kerry's going to do fine tonight and this debate isn't going to make or break him. GOTV will make or break him. Karl Rove's not a genius and George Bush and Karen Huges put their pants on one leg at a time, just like everybody else. So everybody calm down, relax, send good vibes to Miami, and get ready to help with the post-debate spin.
And, oh yeah, just to stay a little bit OT, Bush lied about his service in TANG!
If Kerry is the first to "break the rules", it'll be described as his "last desperate (pathetic, lame, weak, fill-in-your-favorite-right-wing-phrase-here) act to get back into the race." I think that if Kerry wants to break the rules, he'll have to wait until Bush does it first; then he can claim self-defense.
Jim Lehrer can be counted on to favor Bush but he'll do so more covertly than most of the other members of the DC press would.
First rule for 2008, no Lehrer.
Second rule, get the league back into the picture. The comission is a fraud.
This election is about saving our country from a corporate takeover of government.
Yes. This is the issue. Don't expect corporate media to report on the corporate takeover of government--they're all in on it through interlocking connections and ownerships.
It's a cancer eating away at our democracy.
Well, who's surprised by these Bush lies. This guy lies like the rest of us drink water. Of course, our delicate pundits, like Tim Russert, never call Bush on his lies.
OT: Scarborough flaskback:
Who's the first elitist to admit they were wrong about the war?
Now, do you remember the old "Happy Days" episode, where Fonzie just couldn't seem to let the words, "I was wrong," pass through his lips? Well, that hilarious scene is being replayed hourly in the late newsrooms, movie studios and on college campuses across America.
I just wonder, who's going to be the first elitist to show the character to say: "Hey, America, guess what? I was wrong." Maybe the White House will get an apology, first, from The New York Times' Maureen Dowd. Now, Ms. Dowd mocked the morality of this war.
Or maybe Johnny Apple will fess up that he's still stuck in a Vietnam-era time warp that leads him to write at least a column for war that declares American troops to be stuck in a quagmire -- "quagmire" -- what a great word. Maybe that's why Johnny uses that word so much. It's just too bad he never seems to fit that word into the right news story these days.
And while we're on the subject of the "The New York Times," columnist Nick Kristof declared a few months back that "Iraqis hate Americans even more than they hate Saddam Hussein." He also called our president "delusional" for believing American troops could liberate the good people of Iraq. I wonder if Mr. Kristof is a big enough man to admit that he was wrong. Probably not, considering that he spent this week comparing America's communication efforts with the propaganda machine in Communist China.
Then we have Scott Ritter - you know, the former chief U.N. weapons inspector who played chief stooge for Saddam Hussein? Well, Mr. Ritter actually told a French radio network that "The United States is going to leave Baghdad with its tail between its legs, defeated." Sorry, Scott. I think you've been chasing the wrong tail, again.
Now, I don't expect someone like Scott Ritter to ever apologize for providing comfort to Saddam Hussein's bloody regime. But who knows? Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe disgraced commentators and politicians alike, like Tom Daschle, Jimmy Carter, Dennis Kucinich, and all those others, will step forward tonight and show the content of their character by simply admitting what we know already: that their wartime predictions were arrogant, they were misguided, and they were dead wrong.
Maybe, just maybe, these self-anointed critics will learn from their mistakes. But I doubt it. After all, we don't call them "elitists" for nothing.
Um, Fonzie, I mean Joe?
Looks like maybe you were wrong.
When do we get to hear your admission?
At this point, whenever I see Bush open his mouth and hear words coming out of his mouth, I think to myself,
"This guy is lying."
Will the Fox News directors make the camera shake when pointed at Kerry? Be out of focus? Place JK slightly out of frame?? Are we ready for this??
i agree with you Hecate, GOTV is kickin butt, and there CAN'T be more people to vote for the Chimperor than there were in 2000, can there? This is ONE AMAZING piece of history we're watchin here...
Had The President been the hot shot fighter jock he was portrayed to be, perhaps the NG squandron commanders would have seen fit to retrain him in upgraded jets. Apparently, when the young Lt. let it be known it was not his primary ambition to fly jets, they were fine with his decision. I believe it is altogether likely that when the boss's son was no longer their lookout, they breathed a huge sigh of relief; just as we will, hopefully, come November 3rd.
I took the time to answer a poll yesterday. I hope it helps. No way in hell Maine ia red state. No Way in Hell.
Free New England!!!
Click here to see what Jimmy Carter is saying about Iraq.
Of course, our delicate pundits, like Tim Russert, never call Bush on his lies.
Apparently, its not acceptable for journalists to call a public figure a liar, although its perfectly acceptable for public figures to lie. In the case of the Bush Administration, the lies are a product that they manufacture daily.
On topic:
What about this one?
White House releases NEW Bush Guard doc:
Meanwhile, the White House on Wednesday night produced a newly unearthed document on Bush's Guard service, seven months after it said all materials on the subject had been publicly released.
The new document was a copy of Bush's resignation in 1974 declaring he was leaving the Guard because of "inadequate time to fulfill possible future commitments." White House spokesman Scott McClellan said the resignation was found in connection with a lawsuit brought by The Associated Press.
Note that the White House has managed to bury this in an AP story with a headline seeming to vindicate Bush.
You know what pisses me off?
In 1972, the Texas border was protected by 5-minute readiness fighter pilots.
In 2001, New York City and Washington were attacked by hijacked planes which had been in the air, unmolested, for up to 40+ minutes.
Although no admission is forthcoming, someone is obviously responsible.
I have an idea for the debates tonight that I think will help Kerry.
John Kerry should walk over to Bush at the beginning of the debate and shake his hand.
Why? Because Bush's handlers do not want him to appear on TEEVEE with the much taller Kerry (the taller candidate usually wins these days). If Kerry walks over to Bush and offers him his hand in friendship, Bush will be in a tight spot. He can either shake Kerry's hand and look really short to 50 million viewers, or he can refuse and look like an ass.
Either way Kerry looks good, and he might even knock the Bushboy off balance.
Shake his hand, John!
Off topic-I think Katie Couric's interview with President Carter on Today was very telling. Even if you watched it with the sound off. Couric's expression looked like she was sucking on a lemon-even though Carter was gentlemanly and intelligent throughout. It is President Carter's 80th birthday and they were supposed to honor him. I found her attitude very disrespectful, you should not interview a sainted ex-President with a look on your face like you're wading through manure. Of course she had to bring up the flip/flop Kerry thing.
More "progress": AP: Baghdad Bombings Kill 34 Children
More "progress": AP:Footage Shows 10 New Hostages in Iraq
The link to 34 children killed in Baghdad did not work...
"And Bush was completely defiant on O'Reilly ---cervantes"
That was a practice for the debate. They were testing Fox's camera angles to see which give his practiced sociopath lying-sack-of-shit performance the best light.
Kerry is going to get the lurch lighting, and shadows of bats will fly around behind his head on the curtain.
Lehrer is about four corncobs short of having put the last four years up his arse. And Gwen Ifil (doing the VP debates) is Riceliar's girlfriend, which apparently makes her Bush's menage a'toit. So that's real fair. Can't wait to see her mouthing 'blow me' to Bush during the debate, just to crack him up.
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Didn't you guys get the memo? George Washington says he never cut down the cherry tree. If he did it was because it was allied with the British and was hiding WMD "weapons of musket design." Anyone who says different is on the side of the lobster backs.
It is now public policy to lie retroactively about everything. It’s the American Way
If anybody wants a portfolio of views of the deteriorating situation in Iraq, I recommend a visit to Information Clearinghouse today. A parade of ghastly horrors. This is a great site, by the way, that doesn't get enough credit.
info clearinghouse
The link to 34 children killed in Baghdad did not work...
oops...try this one
I took the time to answer a poll yesterday. I hope it helps. No way in hell Maine ia red state. No Way in Hell.
Both districts will probably vote for Kerry but the second could go for Bush. Maine is one of two states, I believe, which can split its electoral votes. Maine is somewhat unpredictable, especially in special elections, but in general elections votes for the Democrat.
here is th link to AP pics:
http://tinyurl.com/4f9kc
we are making progress. Do senators even read the news/check these images? what a bunch of dumb shit we have in D.C
If you don't believe me, check this out
http://www.rowboatvets.com/intro.htm
Ugh, maybe Ifil's doing the VP.
Polident Cheney is going to try to slam John Edwards pretty good with that godlike condescension and naked aristocratic hatred. He'll threaten to gum him to death.
John's a trial lawyer, so he has to have pretty good defenses for such. And Cheney will probably be reduced to repeating his talking points and being insulting.
Maybe he'll wear a purple heart band-aid.
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I realize most of the public will be watching the "debate" on one of the major networks, but is the Fox feed the only one? Has anyone heard if C-Span will have its own cameras?
Something interesting sent to me yesterday (y'all might have seen it, I haven't been keeping up): NPR, Connie Rice, Top 10 Secrets They Don't Want You to Know About the Debates. Maybe a nice thing to send around to folks who don't keep up with politics in great detail.
"Although no admission is forthcoming, someone is obviously responsible.
busheconomy"
Donald Rumsfeld, traitor.
Changed NORAD's protocol's in Jul 01, which M Dowd outed this year (after two years of R claiming he had nothing whatsoever to do with 911, putting it off on the FBI).
Sat at his desk doing nothing until the X hit the Pentagon, which was also right after he told people he was meeting with that they were about to be attacked.
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Will Rogers never met Dick Cheney.
"I realize most of the public will be watching the "debate" on one of the major networks, but is the Fox feed the only one? Has anyone heard if C-Span will have its own cameras?"
Fox is the pool feed, so probably that's it.
They've already said they're going to play around with the cameras to try and make Kerry look bad.
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So if Bush drops trou & moons Kerry while he's trying to answer a question, the cameras can't show it?
Well that's the purpose of this whole memo fiasco.
They got the media saying "the memos are fake" therefore the info in them is discredited, and that gives these rat bastards the cover to out and out lie.
The evidence is out there, yoo hoo! media whores! I'm talking to you! get with the fucking program please.
(I know, it's wasted effort)
ot: echoditto
can't get atrios anymore at home because something called 'echoditto' is trying to load. anyone else experience this?
missile defense, bitches!
"When do we get to hear your admission?"
-wtfwjd?
Don't count on it. I'm still waiting for Scarborough's apology for killing that girl.
New Jobless claims spike to 369,000.
Blogwhore link
Non-Blogwhore link
If two pilots were training for the two open slots, and Bush jumped the line to take one of them, where did the one he pushed aside get moved to?
And, since there appear to have been problems with links to the latest from Eye Rak (as Chimpy would put it), this should work. But be thou warned, it's way, way, ugly.
wapo coverage
Shorter Bush TANG record:
Coked
Ditched
Choked
(I think those rumors of him ditching a plane have some basis in truth, and after too much partying, a few scary landings and being put back into two-seater training jets, he lost his nerve and was too afraid to fly again.)
Coked
Ditched
Choked
New Jobless claims spike to 369,000.
If they're admitting to that many one wonders what the real figure is. Wonder if it will be mentioned tonight.
"They've already said they're going to play around with the cameras to try and make Kerry look bad."
Gore made himself look foolish in the first debate in 2000 by audibly sighing and shaking his head when the Coward told a whopper. I think the Kerry people are going to be prepared for Fox and their visuals. Expect John to look serious and intent every time the Coward opens his mouth, so Fox won't be able to catch him in an embarrassing moment. That's not to say that Fox won't shine a sickly pale green light on Kerry's face to make him look like the host of Creature Features.
What does it matter, Bush has won. Kerry has all the appeal of an undertaker to swing voters. It's over. He can't even state a coherant Iraq policy. God Damn It, the Dems piss me off. Get a damned candidate next time we can beleive in!
Getting back on topic, we can all understand why the Bushies want to stonewall and stymie independent investigation of Dubya's National Guard stint.
What I don't understand is why the Kerries are denying journalists like Dobbs - who is trying to be impartial, IMO - access to _ALL_ Kerry's records. One would think that they would want to do that to contrast Kerry's admirable record to that of the draft and guard evader.
The Kerry folks should take advantage of every possible tactic to rid the world of Bush and his neocon controllers.
"Either way Kerry looks good, and he might even knock the Bushboy off balance.
Shake his hand, John!"
-Holden Caulfield
Agreed. It makes Kerry look congenial and Bush short.
not to change the subject (at least not TOO much) i hope you will all latch on to Steve Brozak, a retired Lt. Co. in the Marines who was an R and changed his mind. he is running for Congress as a D in a solidly Republican district and is giving Bush h,e, double L on the war and everything else. he deserves our support--particularly financial. Check out the article about him today on Salon.
If the post-debate coverage doesn't favor Bush then we should expect the administration to announce the deployment of a missle-defense system. This way the debate over the effectiveness of this system can push aside coverage which favors Kerry.
That's not to say that Fox won't shine a sickly pale green light on Kerry's face to make him look like the host of Creature Features.
uh, that would be an orange light
you know what with the revelations that have swept the media this week about Kerry's ORANGE! tan that they will not only close up on his face but actually distort it.
Don't you people get it! Forget the 34 killed in iraq today alone or the car bombings...
Kerry's tan is ORANGE!
It's not what happened in 1972 or 1968 that's salient. It's the neocon's lies for the Iraq war that Bush foisted on us. Will Kerry call him on it and call for bringing the troops home now? If he does, he has a strong chance of beating Bush. If he doesn't confront Bush on the war and stick to that position, he will likely lose.
Here's that Electoral Vote Predictor that used to be on this blog:
http://www.electoral-vote.com/
se...sep28.html#news
depressed, I have to laugh at anyone who has given up already.
There is a growing tidal wave of angry voters that is going to wash georgie out of the White House and deposit his sorry ass in Crawford, Texas, where, it appears, he's not well-regarded by all the residents.
Now go away and take your nonsense with you.
The morning shift blogwhore for the DCCC-F9/11 marathon...
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Oh. Shit.
Look, I anticipate the barrage of wingnuts asking why I wasn't as outraged over the photos of the people throwing themselves off the World Trade Center.
I was. I just don't see how this helps us. At all. I don't see how it brings those people back. I don't see how it cures terrorism. That little girl, when she looks at the mark in her back, will she do so thinking, "Well, it's not as bad as killing 3,000 people" or whatever justification the wingers have come up with these days?
No. She'll look at it thinking it's an ugly scar. That's all we're doing in Iraq right now, leaving scars. There's no context, or meaning.
I hate this war.
A.
So where to watch the debate?
MSNBC canned Luntz, which is great, but Tweety is still afraid of the big chill if he commits journalism. (Last night he mentioned, twice, that the White house would not send anyone to appear opposite Holbrooke).
CNN is full of insufferable shills. Our only hope is that their ratings crater so that Soros can buy them soon.
CBS is now officially a joke. Imus this morning said they were going to have people meters displayed in real time during the debate.
I'm thinking ABC or NBC, because they will probably have the largest audiences, so I can see what will influence the most viewers.
I guess I lean to ABC, in part because I find Brokaw annoying to listen to.
Any thoughts?
"What does it matter, Bush has won. Kerry has all the appeal of an undertaker to swing voters. It's over."
So, Depressed you've taken a poll of all the swing voters have you? They are more impressed by the Coward's corncob up the ass strut, sleeves rolled up, squinty-eyed West Texas stare are they? Go fuck yourself and go look for some land to build on in Northern Manitoba. Be gone troll crud.
Unfortunately I spoke with a neighbor this past weekend who is a fervant Bush supporter. He has only 1 child compared to my two, while his son is 17 and mine are all under 10 years of age. Yet he acts like Bush is some sort of f*cking Captain America going to come parachuting out of the skies dressed in the old red, white, and blue, carrying machine guns and rockets, shooting them upwards, backwards, leftwards and rightwards killing all sorts of swarthy turbin wearing shiekhs.
I tried to inform him that Bush has never shown any such bravery in his life other than his ability to snort that last line of cocain before going out on the road. Yet all of this seems to be ignored. I tell him the evidence about his AWOL status is far more awesome in number than the press is willing to admit, stating that they are afraid to reveal it because of fears of public backlash, and of being cut off from big stories should they happen. He didn't care. His argument was that lots of people avoided the war. In fact, he applauded Bush's ability to get away with it as proof of his cunning in dealing with terrorists.
I laid on the arguments but they didn't matter. He was not going to hear any of it. Then he, a man who has often times admitted his disdain for christians trying to push their religion on his son at school and elsewhere, said tht Bush was a christian. This took me by surprise in light of earlier attitudes, but then it became pretty obvious...
When things get bad, sometimes really bad, there are those who panic and hide away from danger waiting for someone else to save them. Then there are those who do not panic and hide away from danger, but are calm and collected enough to rise up over their apprehension and confront the dangers.
There are too many people who are the prior, and they think Bush is the later. These people may be decent human beings, but they are also sheep. They are followers, never leaders. They are spectators rather than doers.
And worst of all is that their simple mindsets prohibite them from deducing the truth about others other than who is out to harm them and who is out to save them.
MYOB'
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"Think about how you feel - what could keep you home on election day short of armed guards?"
That's the way it is for the people I know, but WAPO today points to an "enthusiasm gap" benefitting Bush. All part of the Wurlitzer pushing the Bush inevitability meme.
Remember, the perception of who won the debate will become the reality. That's why Bush was campaigning in California late in 2000 when he had no chance of winning. From now until the election, do not utter a discouraging word. Find persuadeables and tell them: Kerry did not "hold his own" in the debates, he kicked ass!
ot: echoditto
can't get atrios anymore at home because something called 'echoditto' is trying to load. anyone else experience this?
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no, but i've found if you are going to visit this site it's good to have a strong internet sec. system. i don't know if i do but the virus alert goes off like crazy sometimes.
i think if you look at pollyanna's post, #2, that's the case. i really don't see how a bag of shit couldn't beat bush. he does however, have support.
I wonder what the Post's (and other SCLM) strategy is. The Bushies will get even if they publish the bad stuff (for Bush) anywhere. They're the most vengeful folks since the Count of Monte Cristo. Burying the bad stuff at the end of the article won't mollify them.
If the Post is going to cross the Bushies, it would be more dignified if they did it on page 1, guns blazing. I wonder if they know that.
Kerry winning the MSNBC poll 56 to 42 right now.
Sounds about what I expect the general election numbers to be!
Lets all give Vernon Jordan a big hand for making a great deal with satan.
"I guess I lean to ABC, in part because I find Brokaw annoying to listen to."
Any thoughts?"
-Newton Minnow
C-Span if you've got it. Then The Daily Show for the after spin.
Maybe I missed something. Why would Bush submit a letter of resignation in November of 1974, when he was 'honorably' discharged in October of 1973? The most obvious thing I can think of is that October 73 discharge was the result of a much later attempt to backdate his discharge to cover for time he knew there were no records of him doing anything for the Guard, all the while having forgotten about the 1974 letter evidence.
Really, I know this is a screwball fantasy, but I would surely love to see a fistfight at the debate. Saw a Real Time rerun last nite...Aaron McGruder said the Repubs have put panties on Kerry. Kerry delivering a good sock on the beezer would sure take em off. Bush goes down like a sack of sh*t and never gets another vote. Murcans hate losers.
Lehrer: "Mr. President and Senator Kerry: Neither of you has signed the Standard Form 180 that would allow the press access to your full military records and dispel the suspicion that you are hiding facts that may be embarrassing. I have here two copies of that form. Will you sign them now, and if not, why not?"
MYOB -- I agree that the 'fear factor' has worked on many voters this year. (damn u Rove) And I wouldn't be suprised to find out that the fear factor had befuddled the judgment of as many average white guys as it has this year's media construct demographic, the 'security moms' (& what a load THAT is...)
Bush lied?
Alert the media!
Oh, wait, they know. They apparently don't want us to know.
"The new document was a copy of Bush's resignation in 1974 declaring he was leaving the Guard because of "inadequate time to fulfill possible future commitments." White House spokesman Scott McClellan said the resignation was found in connection with a lawsuit brought by The Associated Press."
We need an Iraqi Vets Against the War group to print up a form letter for all the National Guard callups who don't want to go to Iraq:
"I hereby tender my resignation from the National Guard, effective immediately. I find that I have "inadequate time to fulfill possible future commitments", including fighting and/or dying for my country. I'm sure President bush will not object, since he did the same thing when we were at war in Vietnam."
Get a few thousand signed, hand deliver them to the White House and invite the media to witness the delivery.
Really, I know this is a screwball fantasy, but I would surely love to see a fistfight at the debate
Now that's what I'm talking about.
To hell with civility. To hell with the press. To hell with the rules of the debate. To hell with the already decided Bush Boy voters.
I would love to see Kerry challenge Bush Boy straight up. If it means breaking the rules of said debate, then so be it. I think our man needs to pull out all the stops.
That being said, I imagine Kerry, who is a smart man, and Carville, et. al.,
have a well thought out, effective plan for the three debates. We are not dealing with Al Gore here.
Best idea I've heard in a long time, Newton. I'm sure a few thousand Guardsmen and other assorted military forces would sign also.
While Bush's elaborate, ongoing set of lies gets dropped at the end of an article without notice, the Repubicans are doing everything they can to talk about Kerry's "lie" about when in the day he made his "I voted for it before I voted against it" remark.
Which do you think will get out into the public more, thanks to our intrepid press?
Why the Kerry time-of-day outrage, of course.
"OT: Scarborough flaskback:"
He was probably drunk when he said that. "Say, whatcha got in that flask?"
zone_master...
Hmmm... you raise a really interesting point... off to googleland for me. This could be good.
ot: echoditto
can't get atrios anymore at home because something called 'echoditto' is trying to load. anyone else experience this?
Do a search on your computer for a file called hosts. Should come up with about 4 of them. Look for one that has been changed recently. Note the date. Open it with notepad. There should be some commented out lines beginning with # and then one line that doesn't that should read localhost 127.0.0.1.
If it has other lines, delete 'em. Actually, I would like a copy before you do that. Just curious.
If there is a redirect line in your hosts file, I would also run a search to see what other files were modified that day.
Consider protecting your computer with zone alarm and using a browser other than IE.
Besides being a rich Slacker, George W Bush was frighten. Read Baghdad Year Zero "Fear of Flying. A real pilot never stops flying. Only a heart attack and by-pass surgery grounded my Dad forever.
Lots of cognitive dissonance out there. Rove and the corporate media are frantically trying to surround C-plus Augustus with an aura of "inevitability". Yet, even in the redneck area where I live, only the most brainless knuckledraggers support the Giggling Murderer, and here, the trolls really don't seem to believe in the shit they spew.
Landslide for Kerry.
Selah.
Uh, hello? Weho gives a rat's tushy about f-102's in 1972. Focus people.
Enough of this liberal pussy backbench blather. Stick to the real stuff. Stay on message. Pick your five topics of attack. Put each of them on a three by five card, and toss the red herring aside. this is not a nuance fest.
Economy- travesty
Environment- soiling our nest
Health Care- bankrupting seniors
Iraq- living in a fantasy world of spin
Terrorism- Bush has energized the terrorists
no more. none. if you want to win that is. Yup, I;m an old repub, but i wouldn't vote for Bush if Ashcroft put electrodes on my nads.
I think the only book Bush ever read was 1984, excpet somebody put teh dustjacket of Harold and the Purple Crayon on it. (to get his interest)
You libs gotta toughen up. Too much thinking. It's time to put you heads down and chug your legs my friends.
Bush is more of a commie than a Repub of old. Clinton coppoted Repubs, Bush is just a far right reborn alchie. As in crazy. As in massively deluded. Praying to God each day. Expecting an answer?
Well, who's surprised by these Bush lies. This guy lies like the rest of us drink water. Of course, our delicate pundits, like Tim Russert, never call Bush on his lies.
John Stewart comes the closest. Last night he showed Bush "answering" O'Reilly's questions (about whether his campaign had co-operated with the Swift Boat Liars) by saying, "Not that I recall." Stewart's look was priceless as he made fun of Bush's non-denial denial.
It was a classic moment for those of us who remember Nixon on his tapes explaining to his capos that you can avoid a perjury charge by answering "Not that I recall" or "Not to my recollection."
"Bush - Big Liar"
Yes, but Bush is the candidate with "character".
How come I know?
Because Ann, Peggy, Michelle and TownHall say so, that's why.
Enough is enough! I AM FEED UP WITH ALL THE LIES, AND I KNOW I'M NOT ALONE. As an American citizen, I am calling for October 8, 2004, to be a NATIONAL DAY WITHOUT LIES. On this day, ALL PUBLIC OFFICIALS AND ALL MEDIA are being asked to TELL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE THE TRUTH. This will be a moratorium on lies, restrictions on information, exaggeration, hyperbole, and misleading statements. CAN WE JUST HAVE ONE F*CKING DAY THIS POLITICAL SEASON WHEN WE ARE NOT LIED TO? I'm not too naive or simple-minded to handle the truth! POLITICAL SPEECH WITHOUT TRUTH IS PROPAGANDA. SPREAD THE WORD!! MAKE OCTOBER 8 A DAY WITHOUT LIES!
It's a step up for the stenographers to include such information even in the last three paragraphs. After all, reporting anything other than "he said/she said" is a violation of the canons of professional objectivity!
"Shake his hand, John!
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And squeeze the fuck out of it, I say.
Actually, if Kerry makes a sudden movement towards Bush, won't the SS gun him down?
Bush's National Guard record.
*sigh*
We keep running around with thing like mice in lab, and Rove is the guy wearing the white coat, laughing at the little mice.
Cripes. We divert attention to this 30 year old stuff, treat it as a "controversy", as if it's an important issue compared to the scandals, the Big Lies, the atrocities, the gross mismanagement we've seen during his actual presidency.
I would like to see Kerry, in this debate, start breaking the rules. Let the moderator chide him a few times. Eventually, the moderator will get worried about having chided Kerry too much and will worry that he'll look biased for doing so. Then, he'll let Kerry get away with one or two and that's when Kerry should really open up a can of whup. Walk over to Bush's podium, tower over him, and give him what-for.
This was my idea as well (minus the walk over and open up a can of whup-ass thing). The arcana of the rules mean nothing to the TV viewer, as evidenced by the fact that the term "bumper stickers" has been used so often in describing what this debate will be all about.
It won't matter what the pundits spin, the next morning, if the visual/soundbite is radical enough to shock the viewer. If Kerry looks like he's constantly getting beaten up by the SCLM for reasons that are vague to the viewer, this is GOOD. Plus, he gets his points across to the viewers, right through all the "rules".
The biggest problem is that no one in the Kerry campaign is looking for OUR input. Remember, we in the blogosphere are always one curve ahead of the people who get paid good money to do this shit, when it comes to figuring out how politics resonate with real people. For the Democratic professionals, sad to say they're just reaching a comprehension level of realpolitik that approximates 1972.
Nowhere was that more apparent than on last night's Daily Show. They played a clip of Diane Sawyer asking John Kerry point blank "Was the war in Iraq a mistake?"
Man, I gotta tell you, he would have dropped dead in a pool of his own blood, before uttering "yes" or "no"!
This little fact was not lost on Jon Stewart, who made mincemeat out of Kerry.
Now, WHY? What kind of polling numbers are the Kerry people looking at, which indicate that the American people support the Iraq debacle so ovewhelmingly that he needs to waffle like that? He will never say "The war was wrong!" He feels he must say, "President Bush has HANDLED the war wrong, and Saddam Hussein should burn in Hell..." etc.
This position on Iraq is both a colossal misread of the mood of the nation, as well as a delayed reaction to George McGovern's 1972 defeat, where being "anti-war" was premature and unpopular on a mass scale (also due to the failure of mainstream media to tell the story... and less so than NOW!).
The pundits have made their psychological mark on the Democrats and the Kerry campaign. Which is why I say that we in the blogosphere "get it", possibly decades before THEY ever will. If any one thing is going to relegate our party to permanent Cubs status, you just read it.
"Actually, if Kerry makes a sudden movement towards Bush, won't the SS gun him down?"
Come to think of it, the SS (you'd think they would call them something else) has been conditioned to haul off anyone who criticizes Bush at any of his appearances. What if their conditioning takes over? The first time Kerry accuses Bush of misleading America, a couple of burly SS guys haul him offstage, in full view of the cameras. Bush then leads a chant of "4 More years"! Lehrer thumbs frantically through his copy of the 32 page Memorandum of Understanding to see if this is permitted, while the Wurlitzer marvels at how firm and resolute Bush looks and how helpless (not to mention Orange, or possibly even Yellow) Kerry appears. Wolf Blitzer and Judy Woodruff ask: "If John Kerry can't defend himself against a couple of civil servants, how can he defend America?"
They're the most vengeful folks since the Count of Monte Cristo.
There's a good name for Ashcroft - the Count of Monte Crisco.
I would surely love to see a fistfight at the debate.
Well, that would get all us hockey fans excited. We've been in some serious withdrawal. Throw down the gloves, John, and take him down!
Fucking, FUCKING Washington Post. The story isn't that they buried this latest load of crap in the last three grafs. The story is that this so-called latest load of crap was timely in 2000, and was available in 2000, and NOW they're getting around to looking at it?
I cannot believe what "journalism" has come to. I remember the Post as having been a newspaper. It wasn't that fucking long ago.
Newton--yep. I could see all that happening. And none of it breaks the "rules" as long as they don't show a wide shot covering both candidates together (wouldn't wanna reveal W's lack of height).
I suppose they can also show W's "reaction" to the hauling off--I mean, if Kerry leaves the stage, that's no fault of Dear Leader, eh?
(And I think the shortened "SS" has become pretty accurate these days)
Here's what i get out of that story:
We have uncovered some discrepancies of Bush's guard service, but instead of coming out with them in the lede where they belong, we're going to pretend that the story is really about how difficult it is to get anything out of either candidate. It's like pulling teeth!
It's so exasperating that we had to explain in great detail the process. And of course, we have nothing to report about Kerry's service records since a few weeks ago, we took them apart page by page to see if the Swift Boat Vets were being truthful and then we found out they weren't but we're still going to pretend that if we had access to all of them, by God we would find someting, and we're not finished with the orange-faced boy yet.
And you are probably finished reading this article by now because it's so boring and really petty so right about the point I think you'll stop reading, here's where I write the crap about all the lies Bush told about his service. And then because I haven't found any inconsistencies with Kerry's record, (and believe me if I had, that would be in the lede) I'll just finish it up now. And done.
I find it interesting that this new guard document comes to light on a day when all the media attention is focused on the debate. Maybe they are trying to slide this in under the radar while everyone's attention is diverted elsewhere.
A surprise attack on Alabama?
Thank God Bush was on the job back then, just as was on 9-11.
Mary- we'll be right behind you. That was the 9th, right?
The local NBC station announced the official W.H. story about TANG. That's it. No journalism just stenography. Then they did a story about those "you will be drafted" leaflets. They then put the word BUNK in huge letters over one of these leaflets. It's like watching Soviet tv nowadays. Our leader has spoken and the evil counter-revolutionary scum spread lies. Now the latest crap is Kerry uses skin bronzer. Man, it's like the media has been taken over by giggling snotty little junior high students. But then this is what the corporations want. Keep the population in perpetual adolesecence...impulsive, silly, materialistic, vacuous.
I was reading Rob's post, the scolding he gave to us Dems for not focusing on the facts and getting sidetracked by this Shit the Post writes and it occured to me.
How frustrated are REpublicans voting for Kerry that they have to rely on us Dems to win this election for them?
They are just as desperate as we are to get rid of Bush. They are afraid of his incompetence, too.
But they are used to having their surrogates fight nasty, dirty. They are used to the lies coming out of the mouths of their politicians. And the Republicans know how to win campaigns, let's be honest. Dems are far behind the Repugs on that issue.
So, I feel sorry for all the Republicans who so desperately want Kerry to beat Bush and have to rely on us. We have a lot of work to do, us Dems.
I just think it's crazy, and I can't imagine what it's like for people who HAVE to put their faith in us and are nervous as hell because of it.
LOL. Sucks to be them.
(This is not intended to be a knock on the Dems. I am proud to be one. I just find it all very fascinating)
Then again, the Republicans who are now nervous about having to rely on Democrats must take some responsiblity for this mess we are in. Had they demanded accountability of their politicians actions these last 3 years, they wouldn't have to be voting for Kerry. They could have had Bush impeached and have a shiny new candidate.
sekmet-we had exactly the same impression, that they are Soviet in their clumsiness.
"And because of that, it is the liberals who will, in the end, fight harder and fiercer than anyone else to ensure that we do not lose what has been fought for so long and hard by our predecessors...For we have more to lose in this struggle than those on the right who choose to tear it down"
Chills down the spine.
Nice one Jack.
John Kerry should walk over to Bush at the beginning of the debate and shake his hand.
From the review of the "rules" as I saw them, Kerry and Bush will start the debate with a handshake and that's the only time they would be next to each other.
So it's already built into the script.
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