I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Frist
When is the Stonecutter's conference call?
If you want to talk on a smaller debate thread, you can come over here.
Chimpy just conflated Saddam and 9/11 AGAIN.
Call him on it, Lehrer! Got balls?
When is the Stonecutter's conference call?
After the Skull & Bones chat ends.
Can we ask questions?
Yes Al Qaeda attacked us. Drive it home Big John!!!
Nice catch, Atrios! Although I don't think I'd be able to stomach the crap they're gonna be serving on that conference call.
Good catch Kerry.
Now hammer it
Lehrer no got balls.
"I know that."
But not much else, chimpy.
Kerry hitting conflation right on. Hammer it, Big John.
What was Bush's rejoinder?
That Saddam attacked us? Did I hear incorrectly--I was typing.
"Unfortunately, President Bush's best is not good enough"
Say it!
SAY IT!!!
I'm doing a bong hit every time Fratboy says "hard work".
I need more weed.
I just got in... have I missed anything?
Saw Basque accordianist Kepa Junkera and his band at the Smithsonian... bet it was a shitload better than the debate.
I have to go iron. Ironing is zen. This is just too damn hard. Being a citizen is just too damn hard....
Who rigs every Oscar night, we do, we dooo.....
I think Kerry is hitting a home run tonite.He has accomplished all the "concerns" the media had IMO.
I don't think I can stomach that- you guys give us a report, eh?
Right to the crotch with the DeGaul story. Go JFK!
All Kerry needs to say is- 'Mr Bush didnt protect you on 9-11, I will'.
Did he just call Bush a LIAR?? Go Big J!!!
Bush is getting smacked down and he knows it, and he's really starting to get pissed off.
Watch him self-destruct.
Damn, RC, by the time this is over, you're going to be higher than the International Space Station at the rate Bush keeps spitting out hard work.
Any multimedia people out there? Put together a montage of Bush saying "Uh" or "Ah" or "buh" or "ngn".
Would be brilliant.
"my opponent" is a very disrespectful way of talking about the senator. The president is such a fucking punk.
and inarticulate too.
I'm not going to make decisions that are wrong for America, Quoth Chimp.
Well, uh, okay.
the fuck?
A.
jon gee men?
HUGH long Bush sigh before answering this question. (Now using attack the international court notecard.)
Will the press mention Chimpy's sigh?
C'mon, Lehrer, give Kerry opportunity to reply to CHimpy's idiocy, dammit.
I want to drop kick that pursed little mouth of his from here to the moon.
Bush is a character out of George Ade.
oh wait, diplomacy would work with north korea.... oh right.
Chimpy, "I decided"
only a moron could be persuaded by this idiot.
Is bush getting shrill???
jon gee men?
NUCULAR ! HE SAID NUCULAR AGAIN!
The great spin machine is getting ready to go. They are going to say..... "Kerry was too angry......he did not show King Bush enough respect........the voters like Bush, they don't like him made fun of"
Well, it's still not a real debate but it's not as bad as I had feared.
"doing injustice?
China panderer?
George? George? Wake up, George.
Wow - those pauses are getting longer and more distracting.
Iranian mooolahs?
GOOD LOD HIS ORANGE IS RUNNING!
"moolah's"
is that like a goombah?
HAHAHAHA!
Moo-las.
I've never heard him say "mullah" before.
He pronounces it "moolah".
ROFLMAO
Moolahs.
Mullahs, bitchass.
A.
Noo-clear! I think it's about time to switch over, George.
Oooh! I like all that "moo-lah" he's talking about.
Bush knows a lot about "moo-lah."
kerry's smoking the chimp!!!!!
Bush is hammering Kerry and staying on point. Kerry's performance is disappointing. He should have facts at hand and hammer them back. Bush keeps saying there are 100,000 trained Iraqi troops - in his DREAMS! This is an outright lie. Lie after lie and Kerry doesn't respond.
It's a sorry sight.
The [fabulous] Moolah's of Iran.
The "moooooooohlas."
*snicker*
Moo-lah's are nukular. WTF?
Holy Shit, he just keeps saying nuk-ya-lar! It's nu-cle-ar, you moron!
MOOOOOOLAS!
I hope that somebody will take the time to put together a video of nothing but the expression on Bush's face while Kerry is speaking. No audio, no nothing else- just his arrogant, dismissive and juvenile facial expressions. That would be priceless.
you know, we see this and see kerry win, bush being an idiot.
The media will call it a triumphant performance by bush.
"That happened on this president's watch." Excellent.
I couldn't pay attention to his China/NK thing.
Uh, what's Bush doing with his facial expression toward Lehrer? Working the ref?
"Librul"
Go away. You're fantastically wrong. Troll Central is looking for you.
he went over!!!!!!!
stop the clock
Bush: jim, i dont understand that
Bush sighed, people died.
So, Bush can interrupt but Kerry can't.
And Iran is fully sanctioned? This sounds like an fact-check item.
Darfur....Talking while people are dying .
BACKDOOR DRAFT!!!
Ah, good one, John just busted him on sliding by a question.
they are going to go into the draft.
Wake up young voters!!!!!
The whole "making Bush look as tall as Kerry" thing really pisses me off.
Go John, calling the Chimp on the sanctions mislead
here's why we needed a senator, rather than a governor (and i was a deaniac) - kerry knows this stuff - he deals with all of it, regularly
Chimpy sounds like Eddie Haskell after he's been busted
Well, my thirteen year old daughter who was hoping to be able to argue against her parents (so hoping to like Bush) is in front of the tv laughing out loud at Bush's stupidity.
Diogenes,
I'm not sure that seeing all that podium makes him look tall, so much as like a kid standing on a booster seat.
Did he just mispronounce Darfur?
Sharkbabe, I'm shouting at the TV now that this person is a -teenager- not an adult. His presentation is that of a fifteen year old - there's nothing there. Scary.
I hope the rainy season ends in America soon.
I want to drop kick that pursed little mouth of his from here to the moon.
Here you go, David,Bush on the Moon.
Kerry rocks!!!! The De Gaulle thing was amaaaaazing!!!!!!
))))
"Hoooo that's a loaded question!"
And he didn't get it in advance.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6092...6092749/
#survey
vote now!
So how do you think the presswhores will spin this for bush?
I admire that he doesn't molest children every day. Or that he quit beating his wife.
My letter to CNN, a little while ago:
"How are you ever going to spin this thing in favor of Bush? On the C-SPAN split screen, he looks jumpy, fidgety, and scared to death. He seems to have two or three buzz lines -- "it's hard work" -- while Sen. Kerry is displaying excellent grasp of the issues.
"I'm really anxious to see how you are going to call Bush the winner of this travesty. I'm sure you'll find a way, but it will be quite a challenge."
Mexed missages?!?!
BAGAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHA
what the hell kind of question is that - dealing with "character issues." Say it monkey! Flip-flop!
"I won't hold it against him that he went to Yale"
Chirp, chirp, chirp....
Stumbling all over the place trying to make nice....
Much faster when he's on attack. Nothing like a weasel...
"You cannot lead if you send mexican mixed drinks."
earlier when bush said "How's he going to pay for these things" Kerry should have had "By taking away the wealthy tax cut..YOU and I are going to pay to keep america safe"
Jesus, if what's going on backstage is anything like what's going on onstage, right about now Teresa has Laura in a figure four leglock.
Kerry is beating him badly. Worse than I expected.
I am half expecting the Apollo clown to come out and sweep Bush off the stage.
don't send mexed missages!
Give that man a refill!
"I know how the world works"????
Funny for someone who'd never left the country before he was president.
DAH-FOOR.
God.
A.
Get Lindy England if it's leashes you want on your daughters, George.
Kerry's not gonna bring up the character question....
HAHAHAHAHAHAH!
But... but... DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND? He CHANGED HIS POSITION!!
Is it me, or whenever Bush comes up with nuthin', he goes back to this main talking point? It's like, "Gimme a second while I figure out where the hell I am..."
Bush sounds like he's trying to kiss Kerry's ass.
Will the Bush line of putting his daughters on a leash track?
Kerry is playing the intellect card and he's playing a winning hand.
certainty can get you in trouble.
Oh baby ain't that the truth.
Bush wants to put his daughters on a leash.
(Spread the word: Bush thinks his daughters are dogs.)
YES!!!!
We get a Bush cackle laugh! Great!
Egh egh egh
Will the Bush line of putting his daughters on a leash track?
Bush just said he won't switch positions based on politics:
9/11 COMMISSION, GEORGE. YOU FUCKING MONKEY ASSHOLE!!!
A.
My C-SPAN split-screen shows Bush raised several inches and/or Kerry's podium lowered several inches TO MAKE BUSH LOOK AS TALL AS KERRY!!!
I appreciate the reality of the import of the height difference in telegenics, but a supposed news organization adjusting cameras for height???
Fox and Foxies are so fucking insecure!!!
Good, keep reinforcing your points John!
It is like everytime Kerry responds or even speaks for that matter, somebody in the background is hitting bush in the head with a sledgehammer. Bush's responses are getting worse and worse and what is it with these long 'sighs'?
I'm sorry, but the kerry campaign has failed in challenging the "certainty and resolute" theme.
Funny coincidence -- seven years ago, Bush READ a book.
Lone Ranger, Fox knows that the taller candidate wins, so they're trying to instill the belief in voters minds that Bush is the taller of the two.
did you guys catch that crap where Shrub said: "I won't hold it against him for going to Yale,"
lovely little barb there, he gets to come off graceful in the debate and still gets to stick in a coded dig to the mullet-heads who don't know/care that Shrub is also a Yalie.
that's Rove, baby!
Great job by Kerry of linking the issue of nuclear proliferation to terrorism.
Very fast response by Kerry -- no hesitation at all. Hitting on the mixed message of the nuclear bunker busters... Very nice.
WHY IS HE DRINKING SO MUCH H20?
Big John HAS KICKED THIS PUNK BITCH ass all over the stage - GO JOHN
IN A LANDSLIDE BABY!!!
Bush's eyes are watering, what's up with that?
It's ridiculous, but you can throw all the facts you like at Bush's "resoluteness"... it won't work.
Kerry needs to be as obstinately, obnoxiously "resolute" as his opponent. More so, even. That's how we win. Take a tip from Howard Dean!!
did the chimp just say that he was trying to keep the sluts on a leash
They'll praise W up and down for staying on message.
I like this nuclear material line.
did the chimp just say that he was trying to keep the sluts on a leash
Kerry said the biggest threat is "nuclear proliferation" solely in order to force Bush to say it.
And Bush obligingly butchered it.
Dear god, is he dumb.
Bush has given up on the word nuclear...he's just calling it "proliferation" now.
shorter debate:
nuclear proliferation
vs
nukuler prolifrashun
I am most amused at how Kerry was supposed to be the one running over his time, but it's Nero constantly asking for more time to respond.
a proliferator out of pakistan...
Kerry's right--why aren't we keeping the most dangerous weapons in the world out of the hands of terrorists?
Why are we developing these small "bunker busting" nuclear weapons--Terrorists would LOVE one of these! Why are we doing their research and development FOR them?
Kerry is kicking ass.
In what universe is a terrorist going to develop and launch an ICBM? And a missile shield is so 1980. And, um, it doesn't work.
Bush has calmed down a little. 20 minutes ago I was afraid he was going to start banging his head on the podium.
It's hard work listening to this f**king asshole.
sorry guys, but in the eyes of the stupid electorate, Bush is back on his feet. They go fuzzy when they hear all these confusing details. They don't care about that, they want to FEEL secure. Bush's stubbornness works..
strategic defense initiative is, by definition, September 10th thinking. No one cares, though. Missiles didn't hit the towers or the pentagon.
think Bush wants to go another 2-90 minute rounds????
Shit, here comes the WMD BUllSHit again.
Nice move by Kerry to take over the 30 second question.
did the chimp just say that he was trying to keep the sluts on a leash
Bush has learned lessons in Iraq. He wants to put leashes on his daughters!!!!
kerry is making a mistake talking about "talking to N Korea"..
Ooooh Here comes Pooty Poot
actually, i'd love to have lehrer's face up there too. what can he be thinking about this performance?
The freepers are losing it.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I've had a few drinks--I can't think of anything more constructive to say than--"Kerry Rocks!"
Lehrer: "Mr. Pesident, this is the last question..."
And Bush smiled.
He had good relations with Vladimir?
vladimerrr?
Vla-di-mir! Vla-di-mir!
We're like THAT, the two of us
Bush's Vladimer is Zell's metafer.
JIM LEHRER JUST SAVED BUSH
After a 3 years.. .BUSH DID NOT SAY TERRORISM WAS OUR BIGGEST THREAT..
and Jim Lehrer gave him another chance..
SCLM
Last question.Nothing about the whole cause of terrorism...
Isrealli - Palestinian conflic.Typical that this one is left out.Bush sucks on this issue and has no plan anymore.
On NBC, the cameras keeping moving up and down to keep Bushs head at the same height as Kerrys. Funny as hell
Wow, slammin' finish for Kerry.
Listen to Bush's monomania.... I, I, I, I. Not we the people, not this administration. Me, my, I. Why doesn't someone stomp on that? Bush would blow up trying not to say it again...
NAILED IT on N Korea right at the end! YEAH!
mission accomplished...oh no he din't.
That word truth again?
Listen to Bush's monomania.... I, I, I, I. Not we the people, not this administration. Me, my, I. Why doesn't someone stomp on that? Bush would blow up trying not to say it again...
Apologies for the double post. Can't listen and type...
he waited to look in the camera...
Cheney says "they haven't seen the intelligence I've seen."
Bush says Kerry did.
The future belongs to freedom, not fear!
great closing statement
The future belongs to freedom, not to fear.
Bush is reading now. Or recalling from memory rote.
Look at him there blinking like a goddamn lying fool.
Notice, how on c-span *'s podium top is higher than Kerry's? They are actually trying to make * look as tall as Big John.
Bush is stumbling. He is hammering those tired ass talking points.
bUSH....kERRY SAID THE SAME THING i'M NOT GOING TO GO AROUND THE COUNTRY CALLING HIM A LIAR. I'm just going to go around the country saying YOU'LL DIE IF KERRY WINS.
The future belongs to freedom, not fear!
valley has an idiot watching it.
Bad luck, Kerry doesn't get the last word. Sadly, this is the biggest boost Shrub could have gotten.
Damn. Bushes smirking visage should get him fired, instead it will be forgotten.
Never mind the drinking, my friends. Get up early and help out with GOTV. Its the only way we (not just JFK) can win.
Be steadfast, resolute and strong. Behold the Valley of Peace.
Kerry won
Bush better than '00 and good enuf for the morons that will re-elect him next month
Oh god. An entire half hour of spin.
Teresa and Laura are wearing the same outfit! What a faux pas! Now which one will we vote for???
mexed meeseges
Timmy just said both were polished!!!
You know they got a problem when the rethug spinmeister says I'm not sure we'll know tonight whether Kerry won.
Just turned to CNN to take in a spot of media ho spin. "Yeah kerry destroyed the little bitch, but it doesn't mean much....bush stayed on message, that's impressive"
mack-in-the-box, Krry SO won that debate.
Play it again if you doubt it.
Our next president is John Kerry.
Bush looked to me like he was stammering and blushing most of the time.
ABC saying Bush got main point through-9/11 changed everything, US forced to project power worldwide. Got flip-flop meme out, but not as effectively as RNC might have wished.
By the way, Bush is the flim-flam man.
Tim Russert said they both were very polished. Bush polished?
Blinking George!
The last mini-speech of George showed him blinking at every phrase.
Blinking George. Please!
Giuliani on saying Kerry gave mixed message. Says Kerry lectured to the American people (they need it!!!).
test
All right! Who's calling into the number Atrios posted!
I can't get onto any of the polls. I guess everyone is trying to vote.
Andrea Mitchell laying into Kerry here talking about Iran and getting nuclear material. Andrea so wants war with Tehran.
Mitchell should've used more Clearisil in high school --
I am NOT missing Frank Luntz a bit.
Being as objective as I can, I think Kerry did a very good job. Probably his best move was when he subtly invoked Vietnam to draw parallels to the current situation in Iraq, which actually dovetailed nicely with his mention of his military record. Also, you could tell Bush was totally out of his element by his constant facial twitching: this is what happens when you isolate yourself from any meaningful criticism and then dive into a debate head-first.
John Kerry kicked neo-con ass!!!!!!!!
ja, ze buush is a girlie-man.
I'm on the call!
Ken Mehlman first about Kerry's credibility
The 20x repeat of wrong war wrong time
lies, lies, and lies
I just phoned in. Republicans are bashing him. They're saying he didn't do a good job. Shit!
I dialed the # at 10:45 East Coast time and have been waiting for an operator for 5 minutes so far.
g-friend is on call right now. apparently there is a credibility gap( as in Kerry is not). spin spin spin.
hammering the whole "hard work" bs...
jfk wilts and wavers under pressure (dubya' doesn't)
apparently a lot of "interlopers" on the call!!!!
2 of 3 questioners just praised kerry..
all questions hijacked!
Viva Atrios
TOTALLY HIJACKED
NICELY DONE
Good work Atrios. The three callers who got through to ask a question appeared to be Kerry supporters. Totally threw the Republican faithful off guard and they ended the call early. Delicious!
correction_ 3 of 3 questioners basically were anti-Bush!!!
please god tell me someone recorded that. that was the best thing i've ever heard.
YEAH! WE DESTROYED THEIR CONFERENCE CALL!
I got the operator at 10:55pm East Coast time. She told me the call had just ended; that it went very quickly.
I called in at 10:52. I was able to get right through (say you are a Republican.) The callers I heard were not very happy with the Shrub.
Call questions:
'young republican' female plant who's actually a kerry supporter
jennifer lewis WA state rep, says she'll vote for kerry
republican party dude who said 18K al qaeda members still on the loose
reply: 'we welcome discerning democrats'
Call 1: I don't think there is a crediblity gap for John Kerry
Call 2: Thinks Kerry could be legit commander in chief
Call 3: Would it be a bad idea for Bush to mention all the members of Al Queda that are still at large.
At which point they appologized to the Republicans on the line and quit taking questions.
AWESOME!
Bwaaaaa!!!! Three questions. All pro-Kerry. I didn't get mine in:
"Why was the President blinking so much?"
Say you want a revolution,
We better get on right away,
Well you get on your feet,
And out on the street.
Singing power to the people,
Power to the people.
Power to the people.
Power to the people, right on.
A million workers working for nothing,
You better give 'em what they really own,
We got to put you down,
When we come into town.
Singing power to the people,
Power to the people.
Power to the people.
Power to the people, right on.
I gotta ask you comrades and brothers,
How do you treat you own woman back home,
She got to be herself,
So she can free herself.
Singing power to the people,
Power to the people.
Power to the people.
Power to the people, right on.
Now, now, now, now.
So what was this call supposed to have been, anyway?
HAHAHAHA!!!!!! Drinks all around, great job to all those who posted questions!!!! That was by far one of the best things I have ever heard. Atrios, if possible, please post a copy of this on your page, that was better than I hoped for!!!
i got transferred to some stupid recording of ken mehlman blabbing on about kerry's credibility gap. it just reminds me that these guys have no bearing on reality. never mind the president's credibility gap, we'll fabricate one for kerry.
and wtf is with karen hughes getting several minutes on cnn to spin away, while mike mcrurry has "technical difficulties" and is not allowed the same amount of time. the post-debate spin is blizzardly.
on msnbc, even joe scarborough was saying that on the points kerry won, but bush may have scored some points on style--um, whatever. kerry won. there's no getting around it.
Really, help me out. Who sponsored that conference call?
Hahahaha. Conference call, chimp style.
It's 11:08 and I just tried to get on this conference call and it's already shut down. I'm guessing it wasn't going as well as they'd hoped.
Something really good happened for America tonight.
The utter failure of their conference call has to have -- HAS TO HAVE -- rattled the GOPers. If the Anti-Bush folks can get their sh*t together like that on election day -- and get out the muther f*cking vote -- we will kick Bush's freaking ass.
The utter failure of their conference call has to have -- HAS TO HAVE -- rattled the GOPers. If the Anti-Bush folks can get their sh*t together like that on election day -- and get out the muther f*cking vote -- we will kick Bush's freaking ass.
Sorry about the double post -- too many cans of post-debate Highlife.
God bless John Kerry and God bless the United States of America.
Bush "won on style" because he is a CHIMPANZEE. Don't forget, our media whores are orangatangs. They hate humans.
Sorry about the double post -- too many cans of post-debate Highlife.
God bless John Kerry and God bless the United States of America.
Kerry handed Bush his lunch. He kept Bush on the defensive all night and CLEARLY won the debate. MSNBC just asked several undecided Ohio voters who won and every single one said Kerry.
The repubs spin - Kerry was "desperate." Hahahaha, good try!
Fineman just said Bush "had about 35 minutes of material for a 90 minute debate." He also said the Repubs looked "grim" when they entered the spin zone. Hahaha...
Multi pronged. That is all.
Hi Everyone,
Big "Thank you" to Atrios for posting the conference call information. I was questioner #3. That was the single most enjoyable post-debate experience I have ever had. My favorite part was immediately after "question" 2 (which was basically someone calling to say that Bush did a lousy job) when the spokesman had to acknowledge that the call was full of Democrats and Kerry supporters. I was laughing, and so I didn't hear them call on me. They had to ask me twice for my question.
Thanks again, Atrios.
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