I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Maybe eric's finished all his water early & has to piss.
Tell Eric not to be so grumpy - we're winning this one!
Curiously, John Kerry looks more presidential than the president.
he said leash! oh god Bush said "put 'em on a leash"
And colonel mustard in in the conservatory.
Why so grumpy? Kerry kicks ass.
mexed missiges or tex mex or something like that
To control nukes they shouldn't make more...
Way too logical.
Put those blasted women on a leash!
Nice to see the "core values" come out.
Bush is improving -- I think he's pronouncing it "nookeelar" now.
Name dropper.
Bush sounds like he's waiting for messages from beyond.
Hey, it beats Candy Croweley standing in your kitchen edition.
Candy, step away from those circus peanuts!
Seems like Kerry certainly wants this more than Bush. Bush is tired and wants it to be over.
Unfortunately, there are others besides Bush who are ready to spring into action and make his performance worthy.
Tell Eric to buck up, Kerry's doing okay, which is more than I expected tonight.
this daughter leashing stuff is sexy. But illegal! Shame on you Mr. Bush
AQ Khan again.
What a pathatic joke.
.
Why are there like fifty threads?
'transshipment' of weapons??
What the hell is transshipment????
Just look at how it's being spun already:
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/...LIVE/
index.html
Pick your "favourite" Kerry criticism there and expect to hear a lot of it tomorrow.
Did he just say, "in the long worm"????
Less missles?
NO!
Fearless leader says more missles!
Grumpy not in order...swing voters are being Kerry-ized right now.
Please, please note C-SPAN split-screen feed adjusting Bush's podium to make him look as tall as Kerry!!!
What an utterly bullshit news org!!!
Bush's hair colorist did a nice job.
Scorpio
Eccentricity
VOOOOOOTEEEEEE
VOTE VOTE
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Is someone in the media going to check on the administration's actual record on nuclear proliferation? Why do I doubt it.
Thank heavens we'll get a missle shield, though.
Tell Eric to cheer the fuck up, Chimpy looks more annoyed and jumpy then Presidential. He's playing to the base, sure, but I wouldn't say it translates well.
Tell Eric to help GOTV.
This debate is like watching a train wreck. If there is another 2 debates I would be surprised. Talking to some people that are not nearly as left as myself, they can not even imagine another 4 years of this clown.
Somebody ask chimp why the talks will fall apart.....
Soooo the U.S. needs China?
Interesting.
preznit had four years to do something about it, and hasn't done squat. nice
Kim Jill Uhl? Who's she?
Oops now she's Kim Chung Ill.
I'm with grumpy Eric. Bush is doing well enough. And Kerry is not simple enough. You always have to recall that most people KNOW NOTHING.
"Kim Chung Il"
"kim chun il" ????
JIM LEHRER JUST SAVED BUSH
After a 3 years.. .BUSH DID NOT SAY TERRORISM WAS OUR BIGGEST THREAT..
and Jim Lehrer gave him another chance..
SCLM
"checks and balances in a Democracy"? What a concept!
Kim Chung Eel
Kim Jung Il
Bush is all over the map with the pronunciations.
I am dancing right now. Kerry does look more presidential.
Fact check--the stuff about the uranium and spending...does anyone know the answer? Did Bush spend less or more?
I think if Kerry's goal was to appear definitive, and presidential, he did.
Bush looked like he was on the defensive or he'd swallowed a lobster whole.
Kerry looks so calm and collected and secure. I don't think Bush flopped, but he looked strangely uncomfortable throughout this whole thing.
My theory is, he needs an audience. If he just has Jim Lehrer's dark eyes boring into him, he doesn't quite know what to do. He needs some adulation, laughs, some sort of feedback...
and HE:S NOT GETTING ANY!
Bush is rambling.
Polls are supposed to be at the following-
http://www.abcnews.com/
http://www.cbsnews.com/
http://www.cnn.com/
http://www.foxnews.com/
http://www.msnbc.com/
http://www.usatoday.com/
And be sure to check the websites of your local newspapers and TV stations for online polls. It is crucial that you do this in the minutes immediately following the debate.
Bush is drooling
Damn you, give me a NON-MSNBC POLL!!!!
Captain McSlouchy (pause) is (pause) out of his (uh) league.
did you catch the relief on Bush's face when Jim said this is the last question? He can't wait to get off this stage
Vladamur.
Kerry looks Presidential
Chimpy looks inconsequential
Nukular perliferation
Lotsa perspiration
Stammer and smirk
This guy's a jerk!
Dubya is toast
I don't wanna boast
But
KERRY WHOMPS ASS!!!!
Did I hear GWB call Lehrer "Ted"?
Vlattamir Butin
This is godawful. I apologize for telling people to shut up about how Bush is drinking again or is on meds or anything. He sounds freaked out, and fried.
A.
was in a meeting so only seeing/hearing since 9:10pm.
When shrub was talking about N. Korea...was it just me, or did he sound like a whiney five-year-old trying to get his way (in his one-minute rebuttle)?
"i got a good relationship with vladimur?"
Lone Ranger:
It's not C-SPAN doing it.
Fox is shooting the debate and providing their images to all the other networks.
He's losing it. His speech is deteriorating more by the minute. He is not standing up well under scrutiny and all the better. His dementia is shining through. MORE DEBATES!
Fladimir
There's something about the desperate way Chimpy™ is panting that is making me feel funny in the pants.
Is that wrong?
Eric - i think kerry is flubbing it. Keep it Simple Stupid should be the rule here. Am I wrong?
Chimpy is getting his little red ass bitch slapped.
Damn you, give me a NON-MSNBC POLL!!!!
I have a good relation with Vladimir?
wtf?
Spinning Bird Kick!
Putin is wrong! But I'm his friend, sssooo... words and words and more words follow.
Cicero reborn!
THIS IS A SLAUGHTER..MY HEART SNOOPYDANCES
The split shots are not controlled by the networks
Bush my man, lie like KGB, say my name on TV, not care what I do
and Jim Lehrer gave him another chance..
Jim Lehrer can be counted on to do that. That's why Jim Baker always wants him. You know someone's a Republican whore if Baker approves him or her (hear that Gwen is next, now that should be an embarassment before the world).
The split shots are not controlled by the networks
Just because the President says it can't be done, doesn't make it so.
Jim Lerher needs to get W's balls off his chin
GOOD ONE!!
Just because the President says it can't be done, doesn't mean it can't be done.
Please, please note C-SPAN split-screen feed adjusting Bush's podium to make him look as tall as Kerry!!!
It makes him look like he's got a Giant Freak Head. You can see the lights on his podium, not on Kerry's.
Don't blame CSPAN, the agreement between the parties said that Bush's podium will have a 5 inch step because he knows Americans prefer to vote for tall over short.
Shorter Bush: I may do what Putin did
I like Eric's writing, but he comes across as a childish person, esp. ehen someone criticizes his lame musical taste--cool people did not listen to CCR, neither did academic types like me.
Go here and vote NOW
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Smirky mentioned AQ Khan twice, Chi Trib slams him on AQ Khan tomorrow. A leading American newspaper has criticised the Bush administration for letting go Pakistan so easily over the AQ Khan affair.
In an editorial on Thursday, the Chicago Tribune said President Bush did not try to persuade President Musharraf to allow US or IAEA officials to question Dr Khan. Wrote the paper, “Bush can’t let Musharraf off the hook. International authorities need to know everything Khan knows. Without direct access to Khan, the world can have little confidence that his entire network is being rolled up, that black marketers across the world are being arrested and brought to justice. In many ways, that’s as crucial to the war on terror as finding Bin Laden...” - Chicago Tribune, Oct 1 2004, via login-free Daily Times of Pakistan
He keeps saying "we looked at the same intelligence".
Did Kerry also get a copy of the August 6, 2001 PDB?
Somehow, I don't think the title "bin Laden Determined to Attack In US" would have escaped Kerry.
OMG, Anyone who says after this debate they are not voting for Kerry just against chimpy, must be braindead.
Kerry in a Landslide
.
Out of the PARK
Really, they have an agreement that talks about the podiums
Good, he's looking directly at the camera!
I know Puty Put; Puty Put is a good friend of mine.
That's why Puty Put said, "Fuck you, I'm taking Chechnya out!"
Well, if the twenty minutes I saw are any indication, Kerry did everything but "pants" Bush and steal his lunch money.
Good on you, Big John. I wasn't sure you had it in ya...
dammit did Kerry CHOOSE the first closing statement?
he GAVE bush the last word?
oh...that's gonna make Eric look grumpy.
Kerry brilliant on nuclear proliferation. Thank you for saying you'd kill the nuclear bunker buster program!
Kerry is making sense, and the chimp is drooling
PRESIDENTIAL. He is so presidential. GoddAMN.
A.
Chimpy looks more annoyed and jumpy then Presidential.
To me he always looks that way when responding to questions. Like he's pissed off that he these peons are taking up his time instead of obediently accepting whatever he does without question.
This Chimp has the soul of a dictator.
>and Jim Lehrer gave him another >chance..
Lehrer at least once didn't give Kerry his 30 sec. and didn't let Kerry call for a rebuttal when Bush got many Rebuttal calls...
Damn. Kerry's looking mighty good in this final statement.
Anyone who says after this debate they are not voting for Kerry just against chimpy, must be braindead.
humm: half of the population is of below-average intelligence, by definition.
Rove understands this.
This is going to be the strangest civil war in human history: the stupid vs. the informed.
Vladimir, I looked into his eyes and saw his soul... remember that one.
he's up past his bedtime. he's ready for his warm milk toddy and bedtime story from the library lady!
Kerry's closer was weak.
Current CNN Poll question:
What do you think will influence the election more?
The debate
The post-debate campaign spin
The post-debate media spin
Freedom NOT FEAR
i love it
Excellent closing statement by Kerry.
FEAR.
FEAR.
FEAR.
BUSH.
VOTE.
BUSH.
FEAR.
Kerry's looking at the camera, addressing people directly. I was waiting for it to happen. I think talking to Jim during the debate and to the camera at the close was the right approach.
Bravo Sr. Juan!
could his paused be any airier?
Bush looks nearly exhausted and a little depressed to me.
Bush just said no draft in closing statements.
"This is going to be the strangest civil war in human history: the stupid vs. the informed.
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I get to play Sherman!
Fear, fear, fear, vote for me!
Oh Shit, he just ruled out the possibility of a draft!
In closing comments from W, was that a promise not to have a draft?
"It will be an all-volunteer army."
Can we hold him to that, please?
well, below the mean actually, but you get the drift.
Tex-Mex Missages.
An all volunteer army - he threw that throw away in under the radar
Kerry did a great job, very direct especially early on (a little verbose towards the end, but a good close)
There should be esteemed judges who could handle each round like a prizefight. Points awarded for the best hit on the electorate.
It would have been no contest. Screw the spin, it'll jump on the one missstep -- global test.
America saw this, the polls will shift. Now, the anti-media bias works toward Kerry's favor.
Is Bush going to start singing?
We've climbed a mighty mountain...OF BULLSHIT!!!
valley below....jesus speak!
The Bu$h team has to cancel the other two debates. They just cannot take two more night of this.
I predict a terror level alert rise tomorrow, then something else will need to come up to make preznit too busy for another chat.
Rove has to have a contingency plan to shut down the other debates. More of this and they can't even swing it with the media softening the blow.
religious language in B's closing statements
Barf barf barf. Bush makes me puke.
CLIMBED THE MIGHTY MOUNTAIN????
WTF, is he Moses or something? WHAT A FUCKTARD!!!
quoting scripture ... you know he's out of things to say when he turns to scripture
My wife: 'Unfortunately, Americans only respond to fear.'
I hope not.
Chimpy,
Don't appreciate. Because I wasn't listening.
To you.
> FEAR.
> FEAR.
> FEAR.
> BUSH.
> VOTE.
> BUSH.
> FEAR.
Arc, I may use this in an art project. Is that ok with you?
How many lines of coke is Bush going to need to snort after this arse KICKING?
I say 4.
Bullet the blue sky.
The tv, versus the radio. On the radio, it sounds an awful lot like Bush is handing Kerry his ass.
Kerry failed to respond to Bush's lies, failed to dent Bush's credibility, and overall sounded on the radio like he was running for the job of carrying Bush's suitcase to the train for him.
I have it TiVo'd from CSPAN, so I'll look and hope to see what my ears didn't hear.
--
Kerry in a KO baby!!!!
A real cowboy has the bullshit on the OUTSIDE of his boots.
I can hear the bells ringing like at the end of the 1812 Overture...or maybe it's the Hallelujah Chorus...
KERRY KICKS ASS
FILM AT 11
"Climbed the Mighty Mountain"
WTF... The fundamentalists won't be enough to save your sorry simian butt, George.
"we've climbed the mighty mountain"
and i've got a mighty bad headache...
I swear to God, Lehrer, there's a time and a place for the Special Olypics of Oratory, but this isn't it.
I went into this debate expecting Bush to come out on top, but - by damn! - it looked to me like Kerry kicked some serious ass.
I just can't believe that anyone who doesn't work for Fox will say that the chimpy fool won.
Quick get Teresa off stage now!!!
Can't esplain it but I always get an urge to urinate when chimpy's on a roll...
Maybe it's a literal somatic interpretation of getting Bush out.
In the howling wind comes a stinging rain
See it driving nails
Into the souls on the tree of pain
From the firefly, a red orange glow
See the face of fear
Running scared in the valley below
Bullet the blue sky
Bullet the blue sky
Bullet the blue
Bullet the blue
In the locust wind comes a rattle and hum
Jacob wrestled the angel
And the angel was overcome
You plant a demon seed
You raise a flower of fire
See them burning crosses
See the flames higher and higher
Bullet the blue sky
Bullet the blue sky
Bullet the blue
Bullet the blue
This guy comes up to me
His face red like a rose on a thorn bush
Like all the colors of a royal flush
And he's peeling off those dollar bills
Slapping them down
One hundred, two hundred
And I can see those fighter planes
And I can see those fighter planes
Across the mud huts where the children sleep
Through the alleys of a quiet city street
You take the staircase to the first floor
Turn the key and slowly unlock the door
As a man breathes into a saxophone
And through the walls you hear the city groan
Outside is America
Outside is America
Across the field you see the sky ripped open
See the rain through a gaping wound
Pounding on the women and children
Who run
Into the arms
Of America
what did laura just say to teresa?
Did Kerry juss get expolosive cheers at the end or did I imagine it?
THE CROWD KNOWS KERRY KICKED ASS
listen to the send off!!!
SteveLG:
Kerry pantsed him and took his lunch money just before you got here. Dude, it was sweet... too bad you missed it. 
sunzoo:
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers.
Judging by the 2000 presidential election percentages, damned near half of Americans are stupid. That's a large number.
"what did laura just say to teresa?
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"Nice outfit!"
"Call me."
Couldn't contribute to the other threads as I had a cat sleeping on my lap.
WAAHOO! I am very happy.
I'm getting sad as I see Andrea Mitchell talking up Kerry's performance, but already saying "I don't know if the American people will buy it."
The crap-shovelling is already in full steam at MSNBC. Didn't take 90 seconds.
"what did laura just say to teresa?
Where are the cigarettes?
Paul,
They musta bleeped out the 'hominahomina' and 'transshipment' and other, similar drool-cup locutions dribbling from Chimpy's puss, 'cause he sounded like a gibbering mass o' Jello to me.
Tim Russert just blessed Kerry & said he did a good job. No one seems to mention how awful Bush was.
"It will be an all-volunteer army." Can we hold him to that, please?--Billy Batson"
Sure thing. It's on the list, right after not being a divider.
--
Kerry kicked ass so they'll call it a draw.
Bush was scary and incoherent.
How can anybody honestly want him to continue to be responsible for protecting their children?
Scarborough giving it to Kerry nice. Mentioned Bush said hard wqork 11 times. said it's cowboy v professor.
"what did laura just say to teresa?
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"Nice outfit!"
"Call me."
Mitchell can fuck the fuck off.
Glad to see I'm not the only one who heard Bush utter, "all-volunteer army" -- it was just beginning to get drafty drafty drafty in here...
Joe Scarborough said Kerry won.
"John Kerry's best performance ever!"
Okay, who just said that?
JOE SCARBOROUGH, MSNBC.
Have a drink. G'nite and thanks for playing!
Wow- if the reactions on Cspan are any indication, the reactions of the Republicans are going to be sad sad sad.
What's the frequency (current thread)? kenneth
Kerry looked good, Bush looked confused. Democrats should give disenchanted Republicans another choice and stop the media blackout on Michael Badnarik. Badnarik can take votes from Bush much like Perot did for Bush 1.
Scarborough does it again, a big surprise just like he did at the dem convention: "I don't see how anyone could score this anyway but that for KERRY on points"!!!!!!!!!!! Amazing...
Meacham juss called a Bush a king and said he was monarchial in tone. Bush pleading according Tweety.
matthews "from kerry I heard an INDICTMENT, from Bush I heard a PLEA"
amazing!
Mitchell: your husband is a cunt, and you are a whore.
Point of note:
Bush broke the rules first. He spoke directly to Kerry early on, when he was whining for 30 seconds to rebut a good point Kerry made.
God almighty, Tweety and his stooges have absolutely no shame. Bad news when Scarborough is the most coherent. Mitchell and the other creepo (not Ron R.) are saying he still didn't clarify his Iraq position.
Kerry had Chimp on the ropes for 90 minutes. I expected him to blow any minute, and that he didn't was the only positive thing he took away from this pitiful performance.
MIXED MESSAGE? AIIIGH!!! Who are these people???
Gwen Ifil SUCKS. She is tossing puff balls to Brooks about Bush's "laurels" as a "strong Commander-in-Chief."
She is so fucking lame.
Wolf Blitzer: Kerry was poised during cutaways, Bush smirked.
Greenfield: I hate to say it, but Kerry looks almost more presidential than Bush.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
Who's listening in to the conf call?
And Bush bullied Lehrer. Lots.
Mitchell said Bush was impatient and smirking a bit. Off to McCurry. MSNBC a good performance.
Kerry looked like someone who's been debating all his life. From Yale onwards.
Kerry kicked Chimpy in the groin and took no prisoners.
Chimpy was flustering up there, and started to lose his temper.
I cannot wait for the debate on the economy. Chimpy will be in big trouble.
Big John RULZ!!!
Crowly doesn't miss an opportunity on CNN to repeat the "Kerry is a flip-flopper" meme, and John King chimes in with "Kerry has had so many positions on Iraq." He also remakes points that Bush didn't make well (re: world leaders) to shore up the White House position.
Nice.
Kerry did so well Greenfield can't hamstring him, though Blitzer's trying to blame Bush's eye-rolling on Kerry (!) and yet again reinforcing the erroneous "87 billion dollar" quote.
Oh, and they also emphasize how masterful Bush was with regard to details of the government.
Who are these people and what are they watching?
NPR is doing its best to defuse Bush bombing. They've really become disgusting.
did bush say he tried to love that widow the best he could?
God almighty but Meacham is a toad.
How's it playing with Howitzer Explosionguy, et. al.?
Methinks Paul is a troll. And very cool people did listen to CCR from 1969 through 1971. Fortunate Son helped turn the tide of public opinion against Vietnam. I hope that we find a song that accomplishes as much today.
Andrea Mitchell immediately after the debate claimed that Kerry attacked a "very popular president."
Wipe the fucking GOP shit off your lip you goddamn whore!
McCurry humble in what he has to think was a brilliant performance.
Chimpy McSmirk LOST.
RESOUNDING LOSS.
KERRY WON. NO IF's, AND's or BUT's.
Kerry WON.
>Who are these people and what are they watching?
Their paychecks.
McCurry makes great point: Prez is chief diplomat, not just commander-in-chief.
Yes but the www.msnbc.com "Who Won" question shows 66% saying KERRY.
Too excited to go use that great website to learn how to link. Sorry.
He said it was "hard work to love a war widow as best he could."
Kerry kicked the Chimp's smirking, slurring ass.
Karen Hughes coming up. Get your freak on.
CNN is dead. Unfortunately they have sumpin resembling an audience. Anyone stomaching FOX?
He said it was "hard work to love a war widow as best he could."
He needs to get an OB/GYN to share some of his love with the war widows.
Olbermann will be on this like a shot.
Although the whole thing was fundamentally bullshit, it was less painful than I expected. Lehrer gets a good grade. Banning crowd reaction was an excellent idea. Kerry sold out, but he did so with dignity and skill. Chimpy appeared idiotic. Not the end of the election 2004 story by any means, but an acceptable chapter in my view.
Vamos a ver lo que sea.
Insider Leaks to Reporters Spread as CIA Turns Wary on Iraq
Working again at Rand, Ellsberg managed to
procure, photocopy, and return a large number
of classified papers regarding the execution
of the war. These documents later became
collectively known as the Pentagon Papers.
They revealed the knowledge, early on, that
the war would not likely be won and that
continuing the war would lead to many times
more casualties than was admitted publicly.
Further, the papers showed a deep cynicism
towards the public and a disregard for the
loss of life and injury suffered by soldiers
and civilians.
McCurry: the Bush 'that's going to cost a lot' re: Homeland Security is the BIG FUCKING GAFFE.
Homeland Security on the cheap: vote Bush.
fucking Scarborough. Who would've thunk it. Hopefully he'll stop fellating John O'Neill next time.
It's eerie but I'm on hold for the GOP conference call starting in a few.
Man these fuckers are just going to pucker their asses and LIE THROUGH THEIR TEETH!
KERRY KICKED THEIR FUCKING ASSES!
Fuck off Andrea Mitchell.
She's come out as a GOP cock-choker tonight.
Kerry looked and sounded great.
Chimp looked and sounded terrible.
Chimpology 1-1. Kerry beat Bush, call in and claimfli-flop on CSpan.
Bush wins every debate, Kerry wins tonight. WHat a flip-flop slam dunk.
Jordan Style no less. Michael J, his airness, not James Jordan the recount whore from Houston...
Whoah! Mitchell calling Kerry "accomodationist" to Iran! The sheer face!
Game, Set, Match for KERRY!!!!
It's over baby, we just saw the fat lady sing tonight.
"It's hard work."
"It's hard work."
"It's hard work."
"It's hard work."
"It's hard work."
"It's hard work."
"It's hard work."
"It's hard work."
"It's hard work."
"It's hard work."
"It's hard work."
"It's hard work."
"It's hard work."
"It's hard work."
"It's hard work."
"It's hard work."
"It's hard work."
"It's hard work."
Iranian MOOLAH$!
Bush values tax cuts for the rich more than Homeland Security.
Call your friends.
My previous post about how I could see the podium/height adjustments on my C-SPAN split-screen left out the fact I know Fox was doing the camera work.
I apologize for insinuating C-SPAN is a bullshit news org; I was a bit excited at seeing so clearly the blatant propaganda, and so left out the fact Fox had the cameras.
While I'm at it though, I would like to ask others to pay attention to Libertarian Brian Lamb's C-SPAN, especially C-SPAN2/BookTV, to see if it isn't rather definitively right-wingish, as I, perhaps prejudiced, believe is the case...
I'll let you all know tomorrow what the consensus is among the Air Force personnel with whom I work.
I can tell you that *none* of the young residents (I work in a USAF hospital) I've talked to support their CinC.
My sister and brother-in-law are career Air Force - my sister just passed 20 years; my brother-in-law hits 20 in April - they can't stand Bush.
Matthews and Meacham saying Bush didn't want to be there, Meacham espesh (the Newsweek guy)
Young G-man and the Moolahs.
Oh yeah -- and tell Alterman that he had a brain fart when he wrote that political musical projects are rarely artistically successful. He knows that isn't true, he did not mean to say it, and it is never an appropriate response to critics to assert that one is the world's leading authority on a subject and that no-one has a right to take exception.
Kerry will be President on January 20, 2005, or the American democratic experiment will be over.
whomever that was that posted bullet the blue sky lyrics, thank you.
joshua tree: greatest album of the 20th century. followed closely by OK Computer
Now, kids, think strategically.
Kerry won. But what's the running campaign clip.
None. Rules of Engagement.
GOP spin: Flip-flop comes back. Global Test. Pacify North Korea. But it won't hold.
In other words, the gap is closed. Noticeable poll shift to Kerry. But nothing is over.
Sasso's got to stay on and time the accelerator. Take it to the finish.
In other words, it's a race. Kerry avoided getting closed out. But it's wide open; Game 7 tied in the top of the eighth.
Scarborough: Bush connects with idiots.
Matthew Dowd spinning away. Bush spoke from the heart. So touchy-feely.
Having conceded the foreign policy debate to Kerry, Scarborough is now saying that 'all anybody all around the country is talking about is: taxes.'
Really? Taxes? That's what people are talking about? Really?
So much for Scarborough. He's now saying that Chimp's awkwardness, clumsy pauses, &c, means he talks "like me. He talks like my pastor." AAAIIIIII!!! Despite a Chimp near-meltdown, Ham-face Joe manages to resurrect the Kerry-is-stiff meme.
It's hard work."
"It's hard work."
"It's hard work."
"It's hard work."
"It's hard work."
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"It's hard work."
"It's hard work."
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"It's hard work."
The Liberal Avenger
*RCSanders dies from smoke inhalation*
how did Dowd NOT come away with the plan Kerry has.
Anybody notice the little moans Georgie was giving out before speaking?
the whores on NBC are in fine form: of Hughs: "what was Bush's best moment?" of McCurry:"What was Kerry's worst moment?"
Bush looked small, real small tonight, he continued to shrink the whole evening under Kerry's onslaught.
The question is, will the Republican enablers in the press turn some of Kerry's statements (not mentioning Poland, when North Korea acquired nukes) into Ford `76/Gore `00 gaffes?
GOP call is saying that kerry widened the credibility gap.
They called Kerry "incoherent"
Did they watch the debate or the last SOTU?
Ken Melman is now saying that kerry was not clear.
Man these people ARE DESPERATE!
David Brooks called it a tie tonight. He wants to go all out for Kerry but doesn't have the balls.
They've really got all the whores working the joint tonight, don't they? They're really turning tricks at an amazing rate.
They'll try to save it for him but I've got a feeling that their boy just got beaten.
I've got a feeling that the national mood is turning, looking for a leader not a drinking buddy.
Bush sounded like a....
BROKEN RECORD
BROKEN RECORD
BROKEN RECORD
BROKEN RECORD
BROKEN RECORD
Scarborough pretty much gave it clearly to Kerry, problem is when he gets back on his show or the RNC gets a hold of him he'll be snapped right back in line.
I tried real hard to watch this as someone undecided might have seen it (hard as it is for me to imagine how anyone could still be undecided). My take, with the caveat that I watched it on C-SPAN, with the split-screen throughout:
-- First half-hour, narrowly to Bush. On message of course, but Kerry's main problem was he missed some opportunities to absolutely nail Bush to the wall. That said, Bush clearly seemed annoyed while Kerry spoke -- something that quickly got into the AP updates, and was so noticeable that a couple minutes ago even Wolf Blitzer said something like "some would say Bush was smirking." (he definitely used the word "smirking.")
-- roughly the second half hour, Kerry did better, with the clear highlight being when he called Bush on the suggestion that Iraq "attacked us" on 9/11. Bush, Cheney et al previously had been quite deft in making that false connection in a way that allowed themselves to say they weren't really making the connection. Bush was not nearly as artful tonight and Kerry. Kerry still missed other opportunities, though -- especially in not pointing out Bush's many flip-flops.
-- last half hour I thought Kerry did well while Bush grew increasingly flustered. Kerry's firm answer "nuclear proliferation" to the "biggest threat" question was very good, and left Bush unable to do much more than agree with him. Kerry the ex-prosecutor also delivered a forceful closing statement, much better than Bush's.
ABC just reported quickie poll, 46% say they thought Kerry won, 35% thought Bush did.
I thought Bush was particularly effective when he threw out random bits of information. It left me really impressed with his knowledge.
GOP call is saying that georgie "spoke clearly and plainly"
Man they are DESPERATE!
Flipped over to CNN during the MSNBC commercial. Puked when I saw that punk Hemmer working a "focus group."
Uck. "Focus group" saying Kerry didn't lay out a plan or say anything convincing.
Who are these people???
I really liked how Kerry called Bush on it when Bush started conflating Iraq with 9/11, saying he invaded because we'd been attacked -- AWESOME stuff.
And I LOVE his line about certainty - "You can be certain, and still be wrong." Man, did that pop the tires on *that* Bush talking point.
Kerry took this debate. He came off great.
Just how the media will spin this, though, is another issue. They're going to be absolutely crushed under a tidal wave of bullying from GOP spinners to interpret it their way.
Marc Halperin just said that the president looked "angry."
I think a better word for it is "peevish" or "huffy"or "sullen".
Why was the president so huffy in the debate?
I wonder if Michelle Malkin's feelings were hurt that she wasn't given orders to spin on the television tonight? She just isn't in the same league as the other talking heads.
Kerry in a landslide. He looked presidential. He sounded presidential. He had a good grasp of the facts. And he LOOKED GOOD. He got rid of that orange crap...
Bush scored some points too, but overall no one can deny that Kerry is the clear winner tonight and this changes the entire complexion of the campaign. No pun intended.
Question and Answer session of GOP.com
2 for 2 callers saying that KERRY WON.
Joe Biden crucifying Chimp on MSNBC! GO JOE!!!
Bill Kristol, of all people, on Fox, of all places: "If you're a Kerry supporter, you're heartened tonight." Also Bush looked small tonight--Kerry filled the screen!
David Brooks called it a tie tonight.
Baghdad Bobo can suck his own ass.
GOP call is OVER.
They are RUNNING AWAY after realizing THEY LOST.
THEY CAN'T SPIN IT. THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING BUT RUN AWAY.
A RESOUNDING FAILURE ON BUSH!!!!!
clarification: I meant Bush was "on-message, of course," which also could be translated as "terribly repetitious." But again, I tried to assess this as an undecided voter might. Bush made his points forcefully, which I think plays well. Bush weakened over time though.
ABC now saying CBS instant poll also finds people thought Kerry won. yeah, weird sourcing, I know.
Leherer was fine. Kerry Won, hands down. Bush was weak. He was a wimp.
Scarborough pretty much gave it clearly to Kerry, problem is when he gets back on his show or the RNC gets a hold of him he'll be snapped right back in line.
Wolfe is hamering Karen Hughes on CNN!
Puked when I saw that punk Hemmer working a "focus group."
That Rush wannabe can go Cheney itself.
cbs quickie poll shows Kerry a strong winner...it's a happy night. bring on the glen fiddich.
MSNBC---Halfway decent
CNN---sucks
Bill Kristol also said that Bush didn't bring up 9/11 enough.
Is there a live DAily Show?
I've been drinking Maker's Mark.
And Kerry made his mark.
BGK, just remember, focus groups brought us "New Coke."
Has anyone else been somewhat surprised by the actual quality of this debate? I think it has been a pretty good presentaion of each side's arguments with a reasonable chance at rebuttal. I think both candidates are staying within the rules ( which by the way, do not seem nearly as onerous as they were described before the debate).
In short, I think we just had a pretty OK quality debate. This is good because in dsuch a format we win hands down because the facts are on our side. Bush is looking bad and he has absolutely no "unfairness' cover to hide behind. It was all better than I thought it would be. I'm watching PBS and I really don't have anything to bitch about in terms of camera angles, etc. Bush seems to look at the camera a little more but that seems to be on his initiative.
Powell position v Cheney/Rumsfeld position. Never the twain shall meet.
45% Kerry 36% Bush on ABC
The question is, will the Republican enablers in the press turn some of Kerry's statements (not mentioning Poland, when North Korea acquired nukes) into Ford `76/Gore `00 gaffes?
Kerry was strong and Bush was off point. Dems are going to win this one big time !!!!!!
NBC just had a panel of six undecided voters (schooteacher, student, Gulf War vet, small business owner) on and ALL of them said Kerry won the debate. The "security mom" said Bush was "running on fear" and the vet said Kerry had a better plan for Iraq.
FEC deadline is coming, don't send Kerry to the white house without a Democratic House!
www.ginnyschrader.com
Bush was the one playing the refs. Demanding extra time from Lehrer. And when he got that time, he said even dumber things.
My wife says (like Scarborough) that too many people will respond well to Bush's idiocies, because it validates their own. Gah.
Powell position v Cheney/Rumsfeld position. Never the twain shall meet.
DAILY SHOW!
Powell position v Cheney/Rumsfeld position. Never the twain shall meet.
Big ups to Dr. A !!
Kerry is gonna win. Big!!!!!
unfortunately, the national media is working overtime to do its very best to make the case that W won (and with a straight face!)-- and that's probably what the local press will report... WE all know who ruled the debate, but will the "heartland"...?
I watched the debate with a Democratic voter in Colorado.
We got a HUGE laugh out of the two-faced boy king repeating his line about how "hard it is."
It's hard. Did anyone consider the fact that the decisions the president has to make -- even if he is not king -- are hard? O! My god! Those were the best parts of the debate -- even apart from the boy king making a nuisance of himself and boldy demanding a repetiitive response.
It was fun to see Lehrer set up the two-faced boy king by asking for a response to a particulaur Kerry point. The king could only say, "Well, I can't add to what I've said already."
O! The king well displayed his lack of clothing tonight.
Even still, on local NYC NBC -- maybe it was national? -- the spin was provided by Giuliani. Jee-zus!
YOU GO, JON!! (Just make the endorsement already! stop keeping us in suspense!)
Kerry more factual, Bush more emotional--his body language fip flopped between smirky affability to grimacing pissed off.
But did Bush slip a Kerry punch with a non sequitur? Kerry came out and said al-Qaeda was using Iraq as a recruiting tool, and I though I heard Georgie boy riposte with a befuddled "We don't take policy direction from Osama." Or did I mishear?
"Methinks Paul is a troll."
There may be two on this thread, but I am not a troll. I'm a protester, and a lifelong liberal Democrat.
Kerry's refusal to call Bush a liar, his insistence that Bush loves his country, his high-roadism doesn't play that well on the protester end of the equation.
But, as I said, I heard snippets on the radio, and didn't WATCH it. Looking at the TiVo'd version from CSPAN, Bush looks like the chumperator he is, weak and stupid, and uninformed, God, uninformed.
Few people would have heard this on radio, given the time. But I called two friends who were listening in their cars, and they said the same thing: they were shouting at their radios, because Kerry wasn't taking it to Bush on his persistent lying.
So what I'm saying is that the televisuals helped slant the debate more toward Kerry than the audio component, which favored Bush. That's probably predictable.
Bush's soundbites'll play better on Rush than his image plays on Scarborough.
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David Brooks called it a tie tonight/
Hi Eric!
This is good because in such a format we win hands down because the facts are on our side.
For many people, it's NOT facts...it's what's in their gut that matters. That's why this administration relies so much on the fear of terrorism. Don't think about the facts, just think about your fear. I won't worry about facts, I'll just worry about protecting you. That's Bush's message. It's stupid, of course, but it's appealing to a great many people.
The Daily Show with Jon Stewart is again always the best ever.
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Hnh. HaloScan punk'd me.
Anyway, we changed the channel after we heard Bobo on PBS introduce a point by saying that "Kerry missed an opportunity."
I listened on NPR, and it seemed clear to me that Bush was strained, tight, and whiney. He also seemed to be out-of-sync with Lehrer's questions and responses.
Kerry sounded on task, clear, rested, and pounding home some pointss that he hasn't had the opportunity to get through the stenography of the campaign reporters. I was vastly relieved and impressed.
NPR's wrapup was shameful in its tilt to Bush. EJ Dionne was the only speaker who sounded as if he had heard the same debate I had.
Oh, and BTW, why should Alterman be looking so glum?
We're working our asses off here, and he has the luxury of looking dour.
Unacceptable.
I've been catching glimpses of Kerry solely via CNN and the occasional bit of local news footage about the election that's shown down here in Brasil. As rabidly anti-Bush as anyone, I still can't say I've ever found Kerry particularly endearing. The motherfucker always came across as stiff. Fake, even. Ugly, too, which I guess counts with the Paris Hilton vote.
Tonight was fantastic. Not only was CNN international fairly balanced, both before and after the debates, but I actually found Kerry damn impressive. Solid, no bullshit, even likeable. The line about "we [me and Bush] don't need a tax cut--and we're the ones that are getting one" was terrific. He's still pretty damn ugly, especially when he smiles. Well shit, what can you do?
The democratic party could take a page out of the GOP playbook and go with one word repetition. It's effective, sadly. I say, "stubborn." The guy stubbornly refuses to look at reality. Stubbornly refuses to admit a mistake. Hell, maybe "stubborn" ain't the word. But somehow, take Bush's "certainty" and use it against him. It is his weakness. The Dem's talking points man opposite Karen Hughes (name?) was the first to hit it. They gotta milk it. Make him look bullheaded, foolhardy. That even plays psychologically on Americans' fears of another attack. I think Kerry got at it a little bit, tonight. He could have hit it more.
Is that the Eric who said we shouldn't demonstrate in New York at the RNC? If so, he can go fuck himself.
To Whom did Bush say Let me finish and why did he say it. His green light was on a he still had a minute left. Does anyone know what that was all about?
Was someone really rushing him or is it just an ingrained habit from his interviews and press conferences?
Someone answer. It was weird.
Anyone wanna suggest one-worders to counter the GOP's onslaught of over-simplified tagging? (Tonight it was mixed signals--I guess they found out flip-flop is trademarked or something.)
I like the following:
-stubborn
-repetitive
-unrealistic
-overconfident (cocky won't work)
-simplistic
-dishonest
Hurricane John just leveled Texas.
Do you all remember when Bush stopped talking at one point, turned to someone and very irritably said "Let me finish."
Who was that directed at?
He had one minute to go.
Why did he say that? It was bizarre. Someone please respond.
Kerry kicked ass. Hands down. He had a plan, was in command, didn't dither, looked and sounded Presidential. A couple times his self control failed and you could see he thinks Bush is an idiot. But otherwise, great - and only looks better standing next to Bush, who was at his stupidest.
Spin THAT ONE assholes.
what Nameless Bob said at 11:02.
YYZ, no comparison between Kerry's omission of Poland from the "coalition" and Ford's gaffe in '76. The other day I saw a reply of that, and not only did Ford volunteer the "Poland is not in the Soviet sphere of influence" comment but when the moderator followed up with, in effect, "WTF?!?!?!?" Ford didn't say he misspoke but he went on to DEFEND the remark.
Did Bush's indecisiveness in Fallujah come up tonight? I'm here in São Paulo, where they televised the FOUR HOUR (!) debate between all 12 candidates for mayor tonight, and I had to concede a a few minutes to my girlfriend, so perhaps I missed it.
As the media's been starting to talk about this, I thought it would've been opportune of Kerry to counter the "mixed signals" jibe (fuck did Bush get his money's worth out of that--anyone count how many times?) with Bush's mixed signals in Fallujah, which even the despicable Andrew Sullivan calls one of the turning points in the war.
I just caught the last 30 mins. but what amazed me is how Republican pundits (not campaign staffers but people like David Brooks) on the major networks expected Bush to stumble over everything he said.
President Mushmouth in the house.
I think it was Brooks who said that he was relieved that Bush didn't make big gaffes and could name foreign leaders.
From what I saw, he probably insulted Putin by mispronouncing his first name. "Vladmur. "
Go to Cleveland.com
for the Plain Dealer Poll!!!!
Kerry @ 61%!!!!
One off topic comment: Chris Jansing on MSNBC has been one of the best commentators/interviewers I've seen this election season. She actually has been challenging both Dem's and Repug's on their talking points. Also I thought Kerry won, but narrowly, and that it probably wasn't enough to hold up to the spin over the next few days.
Carl
Alterman was right about the RNC demonstrations. Except for the first one, with all the caskets, the demonstrations hurt the cause and made us all look like crazy people. Sneaking into the convention and yelling - A Really Not Good Idea.
One off topic comment: Chris Jansing on MSNBC has been one of the best commentators/interviewers I've seen this election season. She actually has been challenging both Dem's and Repug's on their talking points. Also I thought Kerry won, but narrowly, and that it probably wasn't enough to hold up to the spin over the next few days.
Carl
Re the "Let me finish," I noticed that too. Maybe he paused too long and was trying to think of something to say, and Lehrer started moving to the next question. It wasn't quite a Perot-ian "Can ah finish? CAN-AH-FINISH?" but it made him look impatient, whiny...and stupid, given that he still had a minute to go.
Over at CBS @ 11.34PM:
Who won the presidential debate?
John Kerry:
91.55%
President Bush:
7.63%
Neither man. It was a draw :
0.81%
(sample size undeclared)
Go vote!
Alright fellow Atriots, we can't let the SCLM change the story on us overnight!
How about some pre-emptive e-mails to them?
anybody got any email addy's?
Bush values tax cuts for the rich more than Homeland Security.
I'm glad I'm not the only who noticed Bush's "how's he going to pay for it?" when Kerry was talking about Homeland Security. The Dems should run with that one big time.
Eric's right in that Kerry left soooo much unsaid. Bush mentioned 100,000 trained two times and that's an out an out lie. There were just so many chances to obliterate Bush and Kerry either went too easy or didn't have his thoughts in order.
It was still a good night but it coulda been a HUGE night.
Former conservative Republican Congressman Joe Scarborough says that this was John Kerry's best performance ever. Strong words. "I don't know how anyone can see this and not say that this was a very clear Kerry win on the issues." Wow!
CBS Poll national poll- Kerry win 44, Bush 26!!!! This is great.
CBS Poll of uncommitted voters on a clear plan of Iraq- Kerry has a clear plan 51%, Bush has a clear plan 38%
CBS Poll of uncommitted voters on how the debate changed view of Kerry- improved view of Kerry 52%, worsened view of Kerry 14%
If you want to talk on a smaller post-debate thread, you can come over here.
Just got home from a debate-watching party with a lot of other DFLers, so didn't manage to read all the previous threads... did anyone else see, on CNN, less than 5 minutes before start time, behind the talking heads, someone held up a red sign bearing the One Simple Question: "How many times have you been arrested, Mr. President?"
i was kind of surprised that bush didn't mention his plan for a manned mission to mars.
Is HaloScan broken? There was a post debate thread that dissapeared! What's happening?
In tonight's debate, Bush's emphasis on avoiding 'mixed signals' suggests that his conception of leadership requires steadfastness above all.
This helps to explain his inability to acknowledge unpleasant realities. It's leadership by hucksterism--the Ken Lay method.
Steadfastness has it's place among the qualities we expect of a leader but along with vision, skill and the capacity to make good decisions.
Steadfastness in the service of bad decisions is no virtue.
He said, "Kid, we only got
one question. Have you ever been arrested?"
And I proceeded to tell him the story of the Alice's Restaurant Massacre,
with full orchestration and five part harmony and stuff like that and all
the phenome... - and he stopped me right there and said, "Kid, did you ever
go to court?"
And I proceeded to tell him the story of the twenty seven eight-by-ten
colour glossy pictures with the circles and arrows and the paragraph on
the back of each one, and he stopped me right there and said, "Kid, I want
you to go and sit down on that bench that says Group W .... NOW kid!!"
And I, I walked over to the, to the bench there, and there is, Group W's
where they put you if you may not be moral enough to join the army after
committing your special crime, and there was all kinds of mean nasty ugly
looking people on the bench there. Mother rapers. Father stabbers. Father
rapers! Father rapers sitting right there on the bench next to me!
Kerry wiped the floor with the pResident!
In this month's Atlantic Monthly an Joseph M. Price, MD, writes a letter commenting on James Fallow's forward-looking piece about these debates (When George Meets John, July/August). The doctor concludes by speculating that Bush is showing symptoms of "presenile dementia". He goes on to suggest that Bush immediately seek a diagnosis and begin treatment with drugs that "offer the possibility of retarding the slow but inexorable course of the disease."
What did we see tonight?
abc news
cbs news
nbc news
usa today
fox news
Hey, was Bush wearing a wire? Looked like it from the back. And he kept tipping his head down like he was listening to something.
Is it possible he could have done so badly, even while getting the exam answers fed to him by a wire?
The evidence is there--all you need (i.e., the same amount they use for anti-Kerry smears: none). At this point I think the onus is on the president to come clean or deny it.
Are we having a whisper campaign yet?
Did Bush's indecisiveness in Fallujah come up tonight? I'm here in São Paulo, where they televised the FOUR HOUR (!) debate between all 12 candidates for mayor tonight, and I had to concede a a few minutes to my girlfriend, so perhaps I missed it.
As the media's been starting to talk about this, I thought it would've been opportune of Kerry to counter the "mixed signals" jibe (fuck did Bush get his money's worth out of that--anyone count how many times?) with Bush's mixed signals in Fallujah, which even the despicable Andrew Sullivan calls one of the turning points in the war.
OT
U.S., Iraqi troops enter Samara
http://www.washtimes.com/upi-bre...00518-
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As Tweety said he'd heard tonight, while talking to Wesley Clark.
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So much for character. John McCain just talked at the end of Hardball, and he is full of shit. He has sold out completely.
Tell Eric I said hey. And Rich, earlier, cool people DID listen to CCR back in '68, when I used to see them at The Shrine in L.A.
Plus, (name drop alert) I've been to John Fogerty's house, he's a nice man.
can you imagine how people overseas view this seriously fucked-up nation? quite simply, george bush is an imbecile.
I'm already bracing for the new talking point to make the rounds starting tomorrow: "Kerry won the debate but it's not going to have an effect on the election." Regardless, I think it's true that Kerry actually gave people a reason to vote for him on his own merits. And the best damn thing he did all night was to continually say portray himself as more can-do than Bush. "Just because Bush says bilateral talks with NK won't work doesn't mean that it can't be done." Excellent way of exposing Bush's incompetence by putting the ball in his court (and of course he can say nothing substantive because he is in fact incompetent as the last 3.5 years have shown).
mexed missages
clear speakly
John McCain just lost his bipartisan respect. I hope it was worth it.
george bush cannot speak english.
Did Bush's indecisiveness in Fallujah come up tonight? I'm here in São Paulo, where they televised the FOUR HOUR (!) debate between all 12 candidates for mayor tonight, and I had to concede a a few minutes to my girlfriend, so perhaps I missed it.
As the media's been starting to talk about this, I thought it would've been opportune of Kerry to counter the "mixed signals" jibe (fuck did Bush get his money's worth out of that--anyone count how many times?) with Bush's mixed signals in Fallujah, which even the despicable Andrew Sullivan calls one of the turning points in the war.
Fox News, John Cameron says a Fox Poll shows Kerry won by 10 points. Now you all can start laughing, and I am changing channels.
Please dump and warm drink on Alterman's head! I ain't been right with that fool since he asked what he was going to do with a black man and called Barak Obama oh too good to be true! SUPREME ASSHOLE! I'd like to find a black man to find something to do with his white ass.
Peace
Jazzy
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Big John was superb tonight. A picture of strength coupled to wisdom. There was no knockout punch. He just glowed, so strong was his presidential aura. Bush stuttered out bumper sticker slogans, Kerry laid out the facts.
Kerry is topping almost all instant polls, very significantly in most cases. And the Freepers are publicly tearing their hair out over how insufficient W looked.
I really think Big John caught third gear tonight. Soon, all Georgie will see is taillights!
Billy Batson: "It will be an all-volunteer army."
Can we hold him to that, please?
"Read my lips."
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Did Bush's indecisiveness in Fallujah come up tonight?
Kerry mentioned Fallujah in passing, saying something to the effect that unlike Bush he would not flinch in taking out the terrorists/insurgents, closing the borders, etc.
"it will be an all volunteer army."
based on that statement from preznit punkass, i expect a draft.
Kerry should have turned Bush rhetoric around on him, and said "America doesn't need a permission slip from any other country to talk to North Korea."
frankenstein v. dracula
I have two 20-something daughters. Neither is vey political. Prior to the debate they were undecideds; despite, or perhaps because, my ranting a raving about W. Tonight they swung into the Kerry column. The reason: W. putting his daughters on a leash. Ha!
Did this sway other young women?
I don't care what anybody says:
Kerry kick the holy shit out of the presznit tonight, and this debate was supposed to be Bush's strength. Can't wait for the town hall and the economy.
KERRY 2004
WHAT, LIKE YOU NEED AN EXCUSE!
Murph - I was in Sao Paulo about 8 years ago with a performing artist, and I fell in love with the city.
we were coming down through a bank of clouds in the American Airlines DC-10 when I noticed it wasn't clouds at all, but factory emissions.
We had to drive miles and miled through shantytowns to reach the city outskirts propoer. Even then it took an hour to reach the city center, through mile upon mile of winding city streets, garage-front businesses, street vendors and bumper-to-bumper traffic.
I remember going to the top floor of our hotel in what must have been the most affluent sector of the city, and having a 360-degree view.. spinning completely around, the horizon of skyscrapers and shanytowns would not end in any direction. Being from New York, i'm not used to seeing such things.
Walking through the streets of San Paolo in 1996, native women with children at their feet offered to read my palm on the sidewalk; acquiesing, I sat down to 30 seconds of Portuguese which I did not understand, followed by an outstretched hand for more dinero.. grown men, inebriated, urinating in the streets, wandering forgotten in the middle of highway medians.. shirtless, shoeless children begging for food or money outside the Kentucky Fried Chicken, McDonalds advertisements on every street corner while the rural Indian poor flocked in masses to the city center, no skills to trade, throwing themselves at the mercy of the banking capital of the nation, sleeping huddled in the subways.
God bless Brazil.
Kerry kicked fuckin' ass!!! Bush looked bewildered and baffled...I mean more than usual. Atrios, what exactly was Alterman's problem? Even the pundit paps are saying Kerry won. Hell, Joe Scarborough admitted Kerry stole the show! FTW?
re Brazil; and I mean that wholeheartedhly. I fell in love with the people of Sao Paolo like you would with someone you wish you could take under your wing and nurse back to health. Lucky me, I had a ticket out of there..
Long list of media emails at my blog. Click my link and scroll down a bit.
Old Gold30 I have a 20 yr old daughter and she is a complete Kerry fanatic. She carries voter registration cards with her. She is terrified about the Iraq war, and will stop at nothing until Kerry is elected. I wish they had mentioned the draft tonight, and put her mind a little at ease, because that is her biggest fear. She has no friend that isn't supporting Kerry. Unfortunately this is Calif and not a swing state.
I predict a terror level alert rise tomorrow, then something else will need to come up to make preznit too busy for another chat.
I heard a brief mention of a major US offensive in Samara(ph). What a coincidence that it's happening the same night Smirky the Chimp got whupped on national TV.
"It's hard work."
explains all the freakin vacations. maybe.
-J.T.
WIRELESS RECEIVER-SHAPED BULGE UNDER BACK OF BUSH'S JACKET?
Did you notice the square-looking bulge tonight underneath the back of Bush's jacket? It looked like the outline of a wireless receiver. His odd eye movements and unnatural pauses at points also suggested that he was getting prompts through an earpiece (not that it helped him much tonight.)
www.dailykos had some speculation about a Bush earpiece in July, and published a photograph of Bush that showed another odd bulge on his back under his suit jacket (as he stalked away from reporters questioning him about Kenneth Lay.)
In March, I wrote about this on my occasional blog, www.filmbitch.com:
Sunday, March 14, 2004
BAD ACTOR
Watching Bush perform I've often wondered if he is being fed prompts through an earpiece, the kind news anchors use. His speech patterns seem unnatural, not in the stumbling, inarticulate way of a dyslexic jock (the way Bush talks when he's really talking), but in a politician-under-remote-control way. His delivery lacks the whole-body involvement of speech that's actually being produced by the speaker.
Lately the effect seems more pronounced. Bush speaks entire sentences, sometimes whole paragraphs, with serial points and subordinate clauses, that are mysteriously punctuated with unnaturally long pauses, as if he's waiting for the next prompt to come through an earpiece. Or he'll pause for a protracted moment and then suddenly blurt out a few more words -- big words, sometimes. He looks abstracted, disengaged from his own language, almost like a simultaneous translator (if you can imagine Bush as a simultaneous translator). Maybe he's just learned his lines by heart, since he says the same things over and over every day. But there's a weird effect of delay in his delivery, like a bad actor's. And how is that he can suddenly speak English?
I asked a language scientist who studies dyslexia what he thought of my notion. He told me that having a speaker reproduce phrases fed through an earpiece is a much-used experimental device called "shadowing." Contrary to what I assumed, that it would be hard to speak with someone else's voice murmuring in your ear, the scientist said it's easy; it's only difficult if it's your own voice that you're hearing.
We all already know that Bush is a puppet in every way except perhaps literally, that what comes out of his mouth on public occasions was put there by others. Yet it would be an enormous fraud perpetrated on the American electorate if it were literally the case that Bush is Rove's dummy, and that he doesn't dare to speak to reporters without an aid/e in his ear, a la Broadcast News. Why haven't reporters written about this or asked the question directly in interviews and at news conferences? Television news people wear earpieces and must strongly suspect it if the president is doing so.
Meet the Press executive producer Betsy Fischer r
address for the July (yahoo?) photo of Bush with back-bulge
http://www.dailykos.com/story/20...7/8/152851/
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And I proceeded to tell him the story of the Alice's Restaurant Massacre,
with full orchestration and five part harmony and stuff like that and all
the phenome... - and he stopped me right there and said, "Kid, did you ever
go to court?"
You can get aaaanything you want
at Alice's Reeeeesturaaant!
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