I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
where do I vote, dammit!
Atrios rocks, btw
Dude those gallup guys are fucks
Let's make sure that this is the story that we still have a week later.
Don't worry, to half of Americans, the "fact" that Kerry won the debate will be just more proof of a "liberal media."
Drudge has a Joe Lockhart comment that it was a "draw." Subways didn't close, etc.
Chimpy was wounded by loyalty oaths. Kerry was strengthened by hecklers.
Kerry kicked motherfuckin' ass.
WAT Messing doess it send 780 million supplemental ????
anwser ms kcarey??
I'm very happy right now, but it's true that we must keep the pressure on the media. They're already gearing up to announcing a draw. A draw! Between someone who is a master debater and knows his facts and someone who may be or may not be able to pull up his own pants.
I made some specific notes during the debate. It's admittedly pro-left, but I tried to be as thorough as I could.
If interested, you can find them here.
In a way, the best thing Kerry did tonight was to feminize Bush. Kerry was the Dad to Bush's confused and mixed-up teenage son. As politically incorrect as it sounds, that kind of feminzation sells this electoral year.
To be blunt: Bush got bitch-slapped.
Yep "draw" seems to be the big word.
No, Atrios means the REAL poll, not the wanky online check-the-box kind. The numbers are JK 53, Chimpy 37.
He kicked his ass into next week.
The Freepers have this one under control, 60-40 when I voted.
So far. Go there.
Where do I go to find the Gallup poll
You bet your ass Kerry wins.
Kerry fucking dominated that little twit.
It's over georgy boy, get the fuck out.
Good riddance.
In a way, the best thing Kerry did tonight was to feminize Bush. Kerry was the Dad to Bush's confused and mixed-up teenage son. As politically incorrect as it sounds, that kind of feminzation sells this electoral year.
So teenage sons are now women? I guess you don't want us women voting on your side of the issue.
Tavis {:-} has John Dean et al. on now on PBS.
Heh.
It's a mighty time.
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Where's the Foxnews poll?
I couldn't find one.
Seems suspicious to me.
Did they take it down when they realized that all the dittoheads who frequent their site would see the poll results and start getting frantic?
MYOB'
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fuckin killer pearl jam on letterman.
Drudge has a Joe Lockhart comment that it was a "draw." Subways didn't close, etc.
Drudge needs to get laid more. Not that anyone will oblige.
In the words of Mr. Wolf in "Pulp Fiction"....
This is good, but we've got to keep fighting.
fuckin killer pearl jam on letterman.
Seeing them next week. Looking forward to it.
This week will be a great opportunity to make inroads into conservative and right-wingers that you may know at work, church or whatever. Word of mouth and personal reputation (yours) will make more difference to an "undecided" or someone leaning to dump Bush and vote Kerry.
Don't be afraid to brush up on your talking points and hammer at those cracks in the walls of people's minds.
The internals on that Gallup poll show some of the same over sampling of Republicans. Look at the percentages who trust Bush on Iraq, etc. Not that I think the internals on Gallup mean too much these days.
speaking as a confirmed pessimist, pessimism is not the way to go here. we dumped his father, we can dump him. there really are undecideds out there, and they're not stupid, they're just confused. so say that kerry won, and smile when you say it.
much as i hate to be positive, i just don't see any other choice. goodbye, george.
The worm has officially turned, the wheels have come off the car, the sun has set, the end is nigh.
GOTV.
Was it me or was Mrs. Greenspan very upset at Kerry?
Bush was wrong and misleading about 100,000 Iraqi Police having been trained. On Tuesday, I think, Caspar Weinberger admitted on the On Point radio show that this was simply the number of rations we hand out. No proof they go to police, much less trained police. Reliable estimates (try Google) are only 20,000 trained.
Keep the heat on or they'll steal it.
Here's the link to the Gallup poll:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/pol...debate-
poll.htm
Big John spanked GWB into next week. He absolutely tore him up. Man, I loved every minute of it. Got to keep it rolling -- preach the gospel where you can, peoples. Tonight was a beautiful night for democracy.
It's over. Bush was a balloon and now he's popped.
I thought Kerry seemed a little stiff, but also very clear and in control. Bush seemed peevish, flustered, immature. He really is a man-child, just like he was all those years ago when he couldn't bring himself to go fight in Vietnam. Oh, and the laughable quote of the night was: "You can't lead if you send 'mexed missages.'" Yeah, and you can't lead if you can't TALK. No wonder our allies are abandoning us in droves.
Sha na na na hey hey goodbye Mr. Bush. Can'tsay that it has been a pleasure.
I hate Charlie Rose. He gets interesting people on his show, however.
my undecided freind(WTF), just emailed me, he said kerry is two flips of a coin up.
kerry kicked the petulant little president's ass. but the whore media, because they really are whores, will do what they can to save bushies ass.
personally i was hoping for a gutting, i don't think we got that, but via jon stewarts secret kerry note detector we know kerry crushed him.
John Kerry Kicks Ass!!!
Kerry ripped 20 new Bush assholes. No way around it. DON'T let the sold-out media spin this into some kind of a "prez resolute on message blah lie etc." The alledged prez looked like a monkey on Zoloft and made NO sense. He repeated the same lies and non sequiters (sp) from his stump scripts, ad nauseum, really pathetic. I felt sorry for him, and our country. It is so sad for the greatest country to be mis-lead by such a feeble-minded moron.
Kerry was good, at times really good, almost great. He has VISION, a clue how to lead, rather than mouthing talking points from corporate lobbyists. The guy has heart.
Bush is a zombie vampire from hell, no soul.
God Bless and save us all.
Was it me or was Mrs. Greenspan very upset at Kerry?
just another one of the whores.
i used to respect her, they are all whores. i don't know if they started out that way, or if it's the ridiculously exorbitant salaries they are paid. ah, money changes everything.
Tomorrow many plain dummies will say "I'm still for Bush because he sticks to his guns", but they will be ashamed and embarrassed, and we must encourage their shame until they are too ashamed and red-faced to show up Nov 2, just stay home and watch it on TeeVee.
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Mrs Greenspan knows that there are going to be two fewer incomes in the house, come Jan 21.
Good.
I can't stop torturing myself. I keep listening to the callers at CSPAN. Generally most everyone (D&R) who calls in sounds like a moron, but the R's who call in are just about the stupidest fucks I've ever heard.
I'm not sure how anyone could have watched this debate and come away with the belief that JK wouldn't be an intelligent president.
Coldhearted Truth has a Poll going. Scroll down and it is on the right. So far 7 people have voted. I do believe is is a rightwing site.
http://coldheartedtruth.com/blog.../blog/
index.php
The only way you could feel positive about Bush's performance in the debate was if you didn't see the split screen. If you watched Bush while Kerry was talking you saw the shifty little chimp for what he really is.
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/polls/
This is the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, that right-wing rag that Teresa doesn't care for so much. Show 'em what you think of the debate, only 26 votes so far.
On a roll, but have to keep it going. The SCLM is going to want to find a way to undo tonight's damage.
George W. Bush: Wrong to be certain, certain to be wrong.
My friends and family know my party affiliation and tease/mention my vote. I want you to know how difficult it is to put on a republican face and attempt to defend my party knowing that when I go into the voting booth I will cast my vote for Mr. Kerry.
It also pains me to contribute to Mr Kerry's victory. I have to admire his dedication but do not understand why in the world anyone would want to take on the "Iraq" disaster. This speaks volumes about his courage. With my vote I would feel responsible in giving John Kerry the duty and task of cleaning up "W's" quagmire....and there again, someone is cleaning up another one of "W's" mess.
For the first time, as a voter I see my responsibility to choose wisely on four years of facts rather than on past allegiance or ideology.
Thank you,
Grace, Colorado
Just a portion of an opinion of a registered Repub. from the MSNBC blog.
So, Gallup used the same biased methodolgy as usual, and Kerry still won?
absofuckinglutely great!
keep up the pressure folks, send thos e emails, call cspan tomorrow AM.
Let them know we're not going to stand for any of their SCLM crap this time.
Once Sir Blinkalot ran out of talking points, things got ugly and Kerry trounced him.
I mean, I was impressed. I was among the crowd that wasn't too enthusiastic about Kerry, but after tonight, I'm impressed. Kerry did what Gore never did. Kerry went on the offense and kicked Bush's ass.
Bush couldn't stop stammering and repeating the same damn thing over and over again.
Wouldn't surprise me if this is the first and last debate.
Just to bring it up again because I have not heard it repeated by the talking heads but Kerry's quote about DeGaulle and the Cuban Missle Crisis was the icing on the cake. Is there any leader in the world that trusts the President when it comes to foreign policy initiatives and fighting the war on terror. Deep down the repubs know this too.
preznit two-year-old looked tonight like he did on 9-11...scared shitless.
Frank Burns is our President.
Condi is our Hotlips.
Hell since the Chimpster managed to not trip over his own dick on the way to the podium, I am surprised they are not calling him the winner.
Hell since the Chimpster managed to not trip over his own dick on the way to the podium, I am surprised they are not calling him the winner.
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It's "weiner." And it's late.
He rolled his eyes repeatedly. He sighed audibly (5) times. He would have checked his watch but his eyes were out of focus. Not Al... this was George.
Kerry in a KO... not a TKO... a KO. Bush was unconcious and the crowd cheered Kerry and Teresa as they left the stage.
"W" needed a cut man, but like Tyson in Japan, his corner guy was so overconfident that they didn't have the cold steel handy to stop the bleeding.
Beyond any expectations. The SCLM will try hard but it will be hard to ignore the President's collapse tonite.
The Kerry comeback meme starts rollinbg tonight.
Kerry wins, I'm voting for him, and I wasn't undecided going into this debate (though I did vote Nader the last three elections--so sue me),
but will someone please tell him to stop saying that 90 per cent of the casualties over there are Americans?! I know what he means, but 90 per cent of the casualties over there are human beings known as Iraqi civilians. Sure, he may be keen on downplaying how nuanced he is, but Christ, what about a fucking qualifier?
Which is a better caption for a poster showing a picture of Bush?
a) CERTAINLY WRONG
b) CERTAINLY CONFUSED
c) CERTAINLY MISLEADING
Has anyone heard information about the number of people who watched the debate tonight? The media's attempt to diminish Kerry's victory should be neutralized somewhat if they're saying "it was a draw," but 50 million people know what they saw and heard with their own eyes and ears.
The debate showed that we have a weak man in office now. A weak, inarticulate man running the most powerful country in history. But the debate also showed what a real president looks and sounds and acts like.
Keep the momentum going. Get out the vote.
choice line that flabergasted even me, and one we should hear more about than we are:
Mr. Kerry Well, first of all, I appreciate enormously the personal comments the president just made, and I share them with him. I think only if you've - if you're doing this, and he's done it more than I have in terms of the presidency, can you begin to get a sense of what it means to your families. And it's tough. And so I acknowledge - his daughters, I've watched them, I've chuckled a few times at some of their comments. And -
Mr. Bush Trying to put a leash on them.his own daughters? no wonder it ends up as policy
Mr. Kerry Well, I know - I've learned not to do that.look where your paternal pervness got us, chimp And I have great respect and admiration for his wife. I think she's a terrific person -
I wish that Kerry had mentioned Musharraf's statement that the US invasion of Iraq made the world more dangerous, called Bush on the bogus 100,000 trained police number (truth- about 9,000, and not trained), mentioned the Iraqi dead, and made the point that the Taliban was back in control of Afghanistan, and not flubbed the Pottery Barn line, but damn.
I'll take it.
The way the polling broke down:
85% Republican
10% Democrat
4% Shut Ins
1% Out of Thier Ass
"George Bush is pretender..."
Wes Clark, C-SPan SpinRoom
Go Wes!!
In case anyone hasn't noticed, the DNC put up ads on the front pages of some of the major news websites.
CNN, MSNBC, USATODAY
Looks pretty good.
John Kerry finally showed America what he's made of in his first debate with George Bush. While the President evaded most of the questions, stopped and stuttered, and stumbled over his talking point notes, Senator Kerry presented a clearcut case as to why he would do a better job at winning the war on terror. The best judge of this interpretation would be President Bush himself who proved Senator Kerry right in his assessment that Iraq was a detour in the war against Al Qaeda when he couldn't even remember Osama bin Laden's name.
Drudge needs to get laid more.
He's gay.
Again, last time, Gallup poll is garbage. Kerry won, but that's no need to look to them for confirmation. They suck ass.
rat bastard: I hate giving Sully any props, but his line is a keeper:
No president who has presided over Abu Ghraib should ever say he wants to put anyone on a leash. That's all.
I know what he means, but 90 per cent of the casualties over there are human beings known as Iraqi civilians. Sure, he may be keen on downplaying how nuanced he is, but Christ, what about a fucking qualifier?
Kerry gets to say that, alas, only after November 2nd. That's when Iraqis become humans again.
But I don't doubt that he will say it.
Bush was so bad I'd be surprised if they show up for the other 2 debates.
Expect a terralert that forces Chimpy to postpone the other debates.
"Drudge needs to get laid more.
He's gay."
Uh, excuse me, but gays get laid too -- wanna come over and let me prove it????
Kerry got Bush's goat.
Yeehaaaa
I can't wait for Inauguration.
"The Deserter has left the building."
Right wingers are obviously crashing this poll:
http://www.vote.com
It needs some balance 
Google news already picked up this ridiculous article:
http://hundredpercenter.blogspot...won-
debate.html
Bush said: Let me first tell you that the best way for Iraq to be safe and secure is for Iraqi citizens to be trained to do the job.
And that's what we're doing. We've got 100,000 trained now, 125,000 by the end of this year, 200,000 by the end of next year
From MSNBC September 24
"The Pentagon also said on Monday that only about 53,000 of the 100,000 Iraqis on duty now have undergone training.
The documents, obtained by Reuters, show that of the nearly 90,000 currently in the police force, only 8,169 have had the full eight-week academy training. And it will be July 2006 before the administration’s new goal of 135,000 fully trained police is met."
Please repeat this to every living being for the next 72 hours.
Thank you.
""""Drudge needs to get laid more.
He's gay."
Uh, excuse me, but gays get laid too -- wanna come over and let me prove it????
everyman """
you're right - I was just sayin'
I had the feeling the poster was'nt thinking that
Kerry is a "details" man. He may not be pretty, or hugely charismatic, but he knows how to read up on a subject. He is obviously the kind of man who would base his leadership on knowledge.
This type of person tends to be very poor at campaign politics simply because they tend to believe that "all truths are self evident" and are often oblivious to the need for presentation.
The solution, as I see it, is this: arm Kerry with the facts and just have him repeat them over and over. No fancy stunts, no "cult of personality", just the facts.
This is what worked so well lest night.
And in theis poll they oversampled republicans only by 15%. Who knew that GOPers could tell the truth?
Ok, who knows what their sample was. Frankly, if you thought Kerry did anything but kick ass tonight then you are trying to hard to "look objective" or you are snorting the Kool Aid.
Kerry got Bush's goat.
lol!
Now I remember where I had seen Bush's "deer in the headlights" look before!
Gallup now has the breakdown of the 53% Kerry vs. 37% Bush debate poll on their website (this may be the permalink, but I don't know if it'll be available only to paid subscribers after today or not).
I kept humming "Idiot Son of an Asshole" while Bush spoke.
My summation of the debate:
John Kerry: Straight talking intelligent commentary
George Bush: You're a flip-flopper!
John Kerry: Well placed jab, nice anecdote.
George Bush: You're confusing me
John Kerry: Simple sound-bite worthy truth.
George Bush: Won't someone please think of the Children (okay, he said troops and allies, but it felt the same).
I was most heartened when I flipped through the major networks and saw a group of undecideds in Ohio who all gave the debate to Kerry in a walk.
Right now-NPR doing fact checking on the debate. They are trying to be balanced, but Bush sounds pretty bad.
Clip and save to use to beat back the attempts to Gore Kerry on this!
REVIEWS KEEP COMING IN:
CNN / GALLUP POLL ON WHO WON DEBATE
Kerry: 53
Bush: 37
CBS POLL ON WHO WON DEBATE:
Kerry: 44
Bush: 26
Tie: 30
ABC POLL ON WHO WON DEBATE:
Kerry: 45
Bush 36:
Tie: 17
Mort Kondracke: “This is the President's turf, this is the place
that the President is supposed to dominate, terror and the war in Iraq.
I don't think he really dominated tonight. I think Kerry looked like a
commander-in-chief.”
Kate O'Beirne, National Review Online’s the Corner: "I thought the President was repetitive and reactive."
Jonah Goldberg, National Review Online's the Corner: "The Bush
campaign miscalculated on having the first night be foreign policy
night."
Bob Schieffer: “The President was somewhat defensive in the beginning”
Mark Shields: "The President showed a few times obvious anger"
Bill Kristol, Weekly Standard: “I think Kerry did pretty well tonight, he was forceful and articulate.”
Bob Schieffer: “Kerry got off to a very good start.”
Joe Scarborough: “It was John Kerry’s best performance ever…As far
as the debate goes, I don’t see how anybody could look at this debate
and not score this a very clear win on points for John Kerry.” (MSNBC)
Andrea Mitchell: “This is the toughest we’ve ever seen John Kerry.
He attacked the very core of the President’s popularity. He’s basically
saying, who do you believe?” (MSNBC)
Tim Russert: “Tonight he seemed to find his voice for the Democratic view of the world.”
Fred Barnes on FNC: "Kerry did very well and we will have a Presidential race from here on out."
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Re: those "trained" Iraqis.
The "training" (for, say, cops) is done by Beltway Bandit companies - gummint contractors sucking on the Pentagon's teat. Sometimes they hire competent people to send to Iraq, oft times they just get warm bodies.
I personally know of one of those people now in Baghdad "training Iraqi police." He's an ex-cop from a rural Alabama town who quit his small town police job after getting himself and his town sued for -- while on-the-job -- sexually harassing and assaulting young women. He's scum. The cases (there were several) have recently settled.
Now, either his employer didn't even bother to check this creep's background OR (just as bad, if not worse) it *did* check his background and just didn't care.
THAT'S an example of some of the people over in Iraq "training" Iraqi police.
God help us all.
BenGoshi
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Bush was wrong and misleading about 100,000 Iraqi Police having been trained. On Tuesday, I think, Caspar Weinberger admitted on the On Point radio show that this was simply the number of rations we hand out. No proof they go to police, much less trained police. Reliable estimates (try Google) are only 20,000 trained.
Any of these 20,000, by chance, the same police/troops that have a disconcerting habit of siding with the "wrong people" at embarrassing moments?
The things a fustercluck, and the country hates us. Allawi is a U.S. puppet (and having Dubya's speechwrtiters write his speech here confirmes this). But that's immaterial; what matters is what the Iraqis think of Allawi, and he's dead meat there. Any real popular leader there will be anti-American, and we can either have an indefinite and bloody occupation/puppet-regime or we can have a more democratic regime that's a sworn enemy (those are the good alternatives; the bad ones include outright civil war and worse). Thank you, Bush. You made this possible.
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