I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
One of the better debate reviews I've seen.
Frist
Curses.
Damn, look at the RNC spin (as seen on Drudge) now being perpetrated upon the helpess masses:
"Bush inner circle suggests Bush visit with Hurricane victims earlier in day was emotionally draining, contributed to "tired" appearance in debate..."
Of, yeah, blame his ineptitude on being drained like Jesus helping the poor or something. Yeesh. Where's the friggin gin?
He IS the done job, laws yes.
Bush is so fucking incoherent. Did he make any sense whatsoever up there?!?!
Someone needs to transcribe the entire debate word for word so I can look at it and try to decypher what Bush was talking about.
And, I noticed that the blinking red light went off for Bush many more times than it did from Kerry.
I wouldn't worry BurritoBreakfast. Even the Republican whores (Joe Scarborough, Bill Kristol, Mort Krondrake, etc.) said Bush did bad. Plus the post-debate polls are so pro-Kerry that no amount of post-debate spin can really work this time.
Stop picking on him.
He's trying to love her the best he can.
if bush thinks it's hard for him to love that widow as best he can, he should remember how hard it is for all the gynecologists out there.
Incoherent. No other word describes Bush's performance last night. If Kerry had made the gaffe about "it's hard work to try to love her as best as I can...." the wingnuts would be delerious. Tick tock tick tock....time is running out on the Bush regime.
A commenter on Oliver Willis's sight claims he saw wires coming out of Bush's collar during the debate. He thinks Bush was wearing an earpiece. He mentioned Bush saying "Let me finish" at one point, when no one was interrupting him and he wasn't running out of time. I noticed that too and thought it was strange. Was someone feeding Bush answers?
Is there a subliminal sexual thing? Is Bush trying to appeal to women by continually talking about things being "hard"? Wouldn't surprise me.
He's talking about hard things and loving war widows?
Paging Dr. Freud...
Dudes,
I am so not retiring. I've found Jenna's stash and I've got me a new lease on life. Yippeeeee!!!!
The first debate response ad, and it's pretty cool: www.sistersspeakout.com
War? The President might have to take the country to war? No one prepped my ass for that.
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I've also heard another spin that Bush "talked just like the people" so it shows that he's more for the people.
No. He was inept.
Example #435 of how intellectualism is being disrespected in this country.
This is what desparation looks like.
Understand how hard it is to commit troops. I never wanted to commit troops.
right, which is why you pumped your petulant little president fists, and said "feels good" well mr. rolling stone, how does it feeeeeeeeel, now.
and then there is the obvious snark about the bereaved widow and how 'hard' it is to love her, but that's actually a pretty serious issue.
40% time off and it's still a tough job.
It's such "hard work," I guess that's why he spends so much time on VACATION! Too bad the troops don't have that privilege.
Maybe somebody should have shown Bush before and after shots of the last few presidents. There is no doubt the job shortens the lifespan. The job is more than great men can handle; it is overwhelming Georgie.
Could anyone help me out here? Is John Kerry a flip flopper or does he send mixed messages? I don't understand the nuanced difference between the two.
mary,
When the camera focused on Bush's rear, I thought I saw I wire (or some sort of a long, thin line) running up the back of his suit. I wouldn't be one bit surprised if he wasn't being fed some information. Although when he said "let me finish," he could have been talking to Lehrer or someone else, in all fairness. We just don't know.
everyone still on?india calling
Great undecided voter interviews on MSNBC just now.
An undecided registered Republican says: I expected to see my President acting Presidential. But he acted like a rookie. Kerry acted presidential. I also heard 3 major errors when he talked about foreign policy, and this concerned me.
Basically all but one says Kerry won.
Well, Georgie, the good news is that after 20 January your punk ass won't be whining any longer about what hard work it is to be President. The people will gladly relieve you of that burden...
"The Emperor Has No Clothes"-Kerry articulates the obvious.
What I don't get is that we're supposed to feel sorry for him because he's comforting the widows he's created?!
Isn't that just like a drunk - expecting sympathy because he has a hangover.
This is what desperation looks like.
Flip-flopper!
Wow, that's just pathetic.
Give George another drink!
YIKES OT!: I was channel surfing and saw tele-evangelist Oral Roberts and he looked and sounded just like Chief Dan George in Little Big Man.
feeling pretty great here on the other side of the planet, reading everyone's take on what must have been a wonderful show.....
i couldn't watch the debate live, and so i've been looking at a few of the clips online (while hitting the post-debate polls), but these little snippets are just not enough...yes, i'll be honest and say it: i want to gloat!
is there anywhere online to watch the entire debate? google of course is a nightmare right now with those particular search-words....naturally, i'd be satisfied with just the chimpy smirks and sighs, but i'd really like to see more than merely a few minutes of cut-and-dry splicing....
thanks in advance!
medaka
nara, jp
So much like his father twelve years ago. Self-pitying, exhausted, petulant, obviously doesn't want the job anymore. But the rules of manly manhood don't allow quitting, and he'd rather gnaw off his own leg -- or anyone else's -- than lose.
The mainstreamers (i.e. Russert, Jon Alter, etc.) couldn't quite bring themselves to admit what had to be obvious to most ... our President looked like a clueless half relative of Admiral Stockdale ..where am I? What am I doing here? As if he hasn't been president for the last 3.5 years.
On some level, it was frightening to see how incoherent, grasping, stuttering and stammering the leader of the free world is, but there it was. Stripped away of the fawning crowds, the poll tested applause lines, and the security of his political blankie (mr. rove), "43" (get it .. I fig'red out I'm the 43rd pres'dent ..) he learned what we have known for a long time, empty platitudes and talking points are not a foreign policy. You cannot just relentlessly say something and make it true.
If anything, Kerry was the one who let the Pres. off the hook. There were several lines of attack left mostly unmentioned (the recent NIE report that Bush apparently thinks is predicated on "guesswork", the redistribution of funds to fighting the insurrection not reconstruction, etc..) or mentioned in passing that really could have driven home the point. He mentioned Shinseki in passing, he could added the canning of Larry "Iraq will cost us $200 billion" Lindsey and Price of Loyalty O'Neill, not to mention the negative things Hagel, McCain and Lugar have all recently said.
All that aside, it wasn't even close. Bush was smirking from minute one (if you watched on CSPAN they had the split feed the whole time) and stuttering from the get go.
nothing more or less than I expected... Bush is consistent, ya gotta give him that.
The RNC thing I linked to above talking about how Kerry lied when he never said Bush lied is kind of like Nixon's "I am not a crook" line. They are really stupid to persue this line of attack. It only serves to make Kerry look strong (no mixed messages there) and associate "Bush" and "lied" in voters' minds.
But hey, what do I know?
Bring it on!
"Bush inner circle suggests Bush visit with Hurricane victims earlier in day was emotionally draining, contributed to "tired" appearance in debate..."
Um, weren't we told georgie took a nap yesterday afternoon so he could be fresh and ready to debate?
They make excuse after excuse for this man to try to save his sorry butt.
No more excuses.
Yeah, what was the deal with that "let me finish"? Chimpy's red light wasn't on and there's no way Lehrer was trying to interrupt him. It appeared to me that he was hallucinating.
feeling pretty great here on the other side of the planet, reading everyone's take on what must have been a wonderful show.....
i couldn't watch the debate live, and so i've been looking at a few of the clips online (while hitting the post-debate polls), but these little snippets are just not enough...yes, i'll be honest and say it: i want to gloat!
is there anywhere online to watch the entire debate? google of course is a nightmare right now with those particular search-words....naturally, i'd be satisfied with just the chimpy smirks and sighs, but i'd really like to see more than merely a few minutes of cut-and-dry splicing....
thanks in advance!
medaka
nara, jp
When the camera focused on Bush's rear, I thought I saw I wire (or some sort of a long, thin line) running up the back of his suit.
That was weird, huh? I think it must have been a bullet-proof vest. There was something under there. Weird how hunched over he was, leaning on the podium like he needed it for support.
wtfwjd? your link doesn't work.
-I believe you made a promesa a la virgin to change your handle if your prayers were answered? How about wtfwjb?, whothefuckwouldjesusbomb?
Hah.......Bush won the debate because we only expected Chauncy Gardener from him and he gave us Shemp Howard and Pee Wee Herman too!And poor Kerry,he only played Abe Lincoln.What saps we are.
In all fairness, Bush did a pretty good job of sticking to his talking points.
Quote from Howard Fineman: "Bush came with 35 minutes of material for a 90 minute debate."
So W had three days to rehearse the debate.
As far as I can tell Day 1 was learning "Iraq is hard work"+.
Day 2 "can't send mixed messages".
Day 3 was split between learning to pronounce vociferous and practicing hitting the podium in rhythm with his voice.
Priceless !!
PS don't forget POLAND
wtfwjd? your link doesn't work.
hmm...I posted 2 links...both work for me. try again?
i will change my handle if Kerry wins. don't want to send God any mixed messages.
Medaka -- likely C-span will re-run the debate. Go to www-c-span.org and take a look.
Scorpio
Eccentricity
Medaka--
You can watch the debate online at C-Span.
I watched it twice, it was even better the second time! 
"Bush came with 35 minutes of material for a 90 minute debate."
Not bad, Howard. I like it.
Where are our little freeper friends?
Waiting for their talking points?
I live in Florida, now affectionately known as the "Plywood State". We don't need another Bush coming down here at the taxpayer's expense to "assess the damage". Doesn't he trust his own brother to report the facts to him accurately? Aren't there enough things going on in Washington to keep him busy up there? These trips were nothing more than a transparent attempt to garner undecided votes from people distracted by the fact that their house isn't there anymore. I'm grateful mine is...now my biggest concern is that we are being forced to vote electronically. If a teenaged computer nerd can be a highly competent hacker, what hope do we have that any of this year's Florida votes will not be tampered with? Memo to W: Please stay out of Florida - in every way.
Yeah, I noticed him using that big fancy word...vociferous. I'm sure Karen-n-Karl thought that would put to rest any questions about the Chimp's intelligence. I'd put odds on one full day of "debate preparation" being spent on practicing the correct pronunciation of that one word. And he said it in the first 15 minutes. Kind of like getting the triple-axel out of the way early in a skating performance. Problem is, you can still bust your ass if you have no clue about how to do the rest of the program.
Gratuitous S&M post:
(Subliminability & Mendacity)
Remember how Dr. Phil asked Bush if he spanks the girls? And last night's leash comment?
Someone with video editing sofware and some free time needs to edit Dr. Phil's question with Bush's comment last night "I'm trying to put a leash on 'em" -- then the OB/GYN comment and last night's "You know, it's hard work to try to love her as best as I can."
"You know, it's hard work to try to love her as best as I can knowing full well that the decision I made caused her, her loved one to be in harm's way."
WTF? It sounds like he's having an affair with her. Anyway, it is a major gaff, and they'd be attacking Kery if he said something similar. Why aren't these bullshit so-called media outlets playing this? Can we please write in and get them to play this?
bout time for another bruise on the noggin...
Bush's tiredness was palpable. It was as if someone let the air out of a balloon. Once he couldn't keep up the anger, he just collapsed. I suddenly felt tired, too. Felt like putting a blanket around his shoulders and leading him to a video game, or a bar, and saying, "Let the big man take over. it'll all be okay, and you won't have to do any of that hard work ever again."
Quote from Howard Fineman: "Bush came with 35 minutes of material for a 90 minute debate."
StuTheSheep | Email | Homepage | 10.01.04 - 9:54 am
Fineman shoots - he scores! I noticed the clock at the 45 min mark, and Shrub was already a greasy spot on Kerry's road to Debate Domination, really pitiable, and I realized this was only the halfway mark, and President Stupid would have to go through it all again. So I began to worry about the sympathy vote.
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PS don't forget POLAND
that actually is interesting, isn't that what they say killed ford in the debates. something like "poland isn't occupied by the soviets"
in fact in light of putins recent hardline approach to russian govt. it becomes even more interesting.
bush blew this debate, pretty much what he's done with american foreign policy since 9/11. then again, he's been getting away with it.
George W Bush, The War Gigolo
"I'll try hard to love you the best I can"
NPR was playing the "It's ludicrous to think Saddam would have disarmed with more UN resolutions" Chimpy quote as one of their ledes.
It would be nice if somebody would...um...*point out* that Saddam didn't* have WMD's in the first place.
Anybody?
Bueller?
So I began to worry about the sympathy vote.
never misunderestimate the low expectations of soft bigotry.
After the debates I had a few too many ice cream bars and had a dream.
George was a large piece of suet sitting on the picnic table in my backyard. Unusually tho, the birds wouldn't eat it and focused on the peanut butter pinecones. Then a little later, a racoon swooped out of the tree and ran off iwht George the suet (looked just like him, I swear!). The racoon promptly threw up in the birdbath and the sky got dark. Then I woke up.
Don't know if it means anything...
Maybe I could use some therapy.
Scorpio and pixie -
many thanks for the link!!
such hard work, mr president. maybe you should take some time off.
Bobby, can't believe i've heard no one mention this! in previous thread i wondered if bush harbors secret desire to be ob-gyn so he can spread love with them too.
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Forgive me if I missed others coming to the same conclusion after last night's rout: Seems to me the likeliest explanation for W's extreme water consumption, agitation, spaciness, impatience, blinking, eye-rolling etc. last night is strong anxiety/possible depression, and he's clearly on meds for it.
Spread the word: the President is being treated for emotional instability.
bush blew this debate, pretty much what he's done with american foreign policy since 9/11. then again, he's been getting away with it.
Well, yeah, but as Harold Meyerson pointed out in the link wtfwjd posted at the top, this is because Rove has scrupulously kept Bush from any critics at all. (Recall how "brilliantly" Bush performed at the Allawi press conference. That was a harbinger, we can now see.)
Bush is now in the bind Gore was in after the first debate with Bush. Gore was criticized for being "stiff," so he loosened up. That got him slammed for "sighing." Bush is now in that "damned if he does, damned if he doesn't" category. If Kerry turns in the same performance again, Bush by contrast looks like a real putz, not an accidental one. If Bush changes, he looks "flippy-floppy."
Bush is screwed.
I was desperate last night to try to get someone to talk about why in God's name Bush said "Let me finish," when the green light was on and he had one minute left.
I turned to my husband and said, "Who is he talking to?"
He did not look like he was talking to Jim L.
It was so damn bizarre, and yet I noticed that no one has shown that clip on the news this morning. (Could it be because it makes him look nuts like he's talking to himself.
I wondered last night if it was such an ingrained habit with him at news conferences and interviews that it just weirdly slipped out.
But I believe that we should be discussing this more because it was clearly the most bizarrest moment at the debate last night and we should all start asking questions about who he was talking to and why he said it when his green light showed one more minute.
Seldom is the question asked, "Is our Republicans learning?"
Or are they going to put party before country and hold their nose and vote for Shrubya?
The ultimate Bush spin will be that sure Kerry won, but it was only a debate. An attempt to take the air out of Kerry's performance and demoralize his campaign.
Those wacky Canadians (from the Toronto Star):
Voices: Presidential debate winner
We asked you to pick the winner in the debate between U.S. President George W. Bush and Democratic challenger John Kerry. Here's what you had to say.
Kerry won by a landslide. Bush was unbelievably poor. Most of the time I couldn’t understand what he was trying to say, whereas Kerry was quite articulate. I truly feel for the American people if (Bush) is re-elected.
Brian Strachan, Bracebridge, Oct. 1
The debate showed the American people that Kerry is a more confident leader then Bush, who was lost for words and flustered. The clear choice should be Kerry for President.
Don Lawton, Mississauga, Oct. 1
I think that John Kerry won definitively. He presented an effective and honest strategy on dealing with the Iraqi war, and also the war on terrorism. I was especially pleased to see Sen. Kerry call out President Bush for once again trying to mislead the American people into thinking that Iraq or Saddam had anything whatsoever to do with 9/11, pointing out to President Bush that even the 9/11 Commission found no link between Al Qaeda and Iraq. Kerry has respect for the other countries of the world, Bush does not. Senator Kerry came across as decisive, thoughtful and steadfast. President Bush's facial expressions were petty and childish.
Fiona Williams, Grand Rapids, Oct. 1
I think there is no doubt about it. John Kerry won that debate hands down. Everything he did, from the points he made to the way he carried himself, outperformed Bush. I only hope that the American people see that and forget about the spin that Bush's people will put on it.
Andrew Rapsey, London, Oct. 1
John Kerry was the clear winner. Kerry spoke with confidence throughout and emphasized that the hunt for bin Laden was downgraded in order to invade Iraq. His emphasis on building a better set of relationships between the U.S. and other countries is also long overdue. If this is not done it will simply serve to bring about more threats to the U.S. I found George Bush to be an embarrassment, as he continually hesitated before and during the answering of questions. I hope the voters in the U.S. saw that he does not have a solid grasp of the issues. Bush was not able to articulate a vision for America. The U.S. can not afford to have four more years of George W. Bush.
Mark Savage, St. Catharines, Oct. 1
If it isn't clear to anyone that Senator Kerry was the winner he can join President Bush in returning to night school to brush up on his grammar. The president proved again that he is illiterate and came across as a frightened child when cornered by Kerry with legitimate statements regarding his decisions.
Caroll Thachuk, Windsor, Oct. 1
I can't imagine anyone thinking that George Bush won the debate.
Connie Cummins, Pickering, Oct. 1
Kerry won, partly by talking with fewer words than he usually pours out, and partly by telling Bush to his face what his in
Let's not forget how we're fighting this war against a ruthless "Group of Folks" and we can't count on the rest of the world 'cuz George knows how "These people think"--he's on the phone with them every day.
As John Stewart gleefully remarkd: "Group of Folks? A group of folks isn't an enemy, a group of folks are the people you see at the Olive Garden with the breadsticks and the soup..."
And my wife added "I couldn't help but imagine when he said he was on the phone all the time with world leaders, Little George in his feety pajamas in front of a Fisher Price play center with the phone and the steering wheel saying 'Okay, Germany, Okay come over, come over. Okay, bye!"
Beep beep. Tea party with the stuffed animals and Ayyad Allawi after lunch!
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Buchanan: "Kerry Won, and don't take my word, look at the faces of Bush's surrogates"
Unfortunately, this also points out a Kerry weakness.
After having heard the hard work "meme" six or seven times, he should have been able to figure out a devastating retort, such as:
"The president keeps mentioning that the war on terror and the war in Iraq is hard work. Well, being president is supposed to be tough, it's not a job filled with vacation days and the perks should make it clear that you're supposed to get to it and get it done."
Would have blown Bush out of the State and back to Crawford.
(Those wacky Canadians cont'd)
Kerry won, partly by talking with fewer words than he usually pours out, and partly by telling Bush to his face what his inner circle apparently never dares tell him, knowing they'd be shown the door if he happened to be listening when they spoke.
Jack Miller, St. Catharines, Oct. 1
John Kerry won the debate hands down. While he looked calm and collected, George W. Bush looked uncomfortable, bumbled around on his words and didn't make any compelling remarks to rebut points made by Kerry.
Steven Lee, Richmond Hill, Oct. 1
Although Bush did a far better job than he usually does, he said little of substance and when he did meander, had to stop, look at his notes, and resort over and over to the same simplistic default statements of "it's hard work" and "I don't change my position with the change of politics"(clearly the safety net provided by his "handlers" to ensure that he did not get into too much trouble). Kerry portrayed a concise plan, can think on his feet (at least more than Bush can) , and was superior in the debate. P.S. Don't you think the president of the U.S. could learn to pronounce the word "nuclear"?
Karen Sumbler, Toronto, Oct. 1
Hands down Kerry won the debate. He came off as a strong, focused and determined leader. Grace under pressure is what I was thinking watching Kerry. Bush on the other hand, looked like he just woke up and acted like the class clown in high school. I wouldn't want a guy like Bush, with his idiotic smirk, leading the worlds most powerful country ever again. He was joking before some questions and a few of his answers just didn't make sense. Fortunately for him, the election this time around may be rigged again and he has a chance to win it again. I don't know how you would pick Bush over Kerry.
John Smith, Milton, Oct. 1
Kerry won by a landslide. I can't believe Americans want Bush when they could choose a man with integrity. But then again, in 2000 they had a real leader in Gore and they blew that one.
Robert Graham, Ottawa, Oct. 1
Kerry won the debate but his message will go against the grain with the majority of brainwashed Americans. It is heresy to most U.S. citizens to suggest that troops are being sentenced to death for an unworthy cause undertaken under false pretenses. Americans just cannot handle the truth and Bush knowingly continued the brainwashing, his only shot at survival.
Jim Graddon, Oakville, Oct. 1
I think Mr. Kerry has won. The difference between two were very clear. Kerry was logical, information based and was to the point while addressing an issue. On the other hand Mr. Bush was found to be a little bit shaky, confusing and his answers were too far from logic and fact.
Aowrangazeb Chowdhury, Scarborough, Oct. 1
In my opinion Kerry is a winner. I am going to support him now.
Lakhbir Dhillon, Orlando, Florida, Oct. 1
Senator Kerry has totally impressed me. He seemed "in control" of the debate and
Bush claims that being president is hard work? How would he know? He's down on his photo-op ranch in Crawford most of the time. When he's not out campaigning.
I got a kick out of Shrub's comment that he meets with the FBI director daily when he's in Washington. How often has he been IN Washington?
"It's-and it's hard work. I understand how hard it is. I get the casualty reports every day. I see on the TV screens how hard it is. But it's necessary work."
The sheer gall it takes to say something like that!
That's like saying you know how awful the Holocaust was because you saw "Schindler's List". You could get an "impression" of what it was like but it's not exactly the same as living through it yourself.
Kerry, who actually fought in a war, has a better idea of what "hard word" it is than our little (p)Resident has from reading "Casualty Reports."
"Plywood State".
Plywood staters for Kerry!!!
i get the feeling we are going to win, the question remains will they try to steal it, actually not that big a question, 'cause we already know they are.
I'm sorry. I can't follow this transcript.
Is there a version available in English?
"A fresh start"
Senator Kerry used the phrase, "A Fresh Start", in one of his answers last night and it would be a good slogan for him until the election. Americans love the idea of throwing out old baggage and starting anew.
The debate was Kerry's; not overtly but his answers, for the most part, were concise and delivered with strength where Bush seemed nervous and kept repeating the same memorized tag lines his writers had given him. I think the most obvious difference were the shots of Bush as Kerry was speaking, many times he looked petulant, as if no one should be criticizing him.
Perhaps, I am mistaken, as I switched channels for a few minutes, and when I returned to the debate Bush was given his 30 seconds to reply to Kerry and he reacted as if he had not been listening. Please correct me if I am wrong; Bush said something about being a nice guy and began talking about north Korea when the topic had been Iraq.
Well, obviously, we have a president who is an idiot.
"Now watch this drive."
I'll say it again. I think that they can't win it, so they'll try to steal it. And if they find they can't steal it, they'll seize it.
Nov. 3 to Jan. 21 will be a very tenuous, dangerous time in these parts.
Vicki Stein,
Hey sweetie, when Bush said let me finish he couldn't have been talking to Jim L.
His green light was on and Jimmy would never ever interupt the President.
It was truly bizarre.
please let him finish...
and be gone.
Did anyone notice that during one of the final questions, they were talking about Korea and Bush got 30 more seconds to respond and he totally switched topics back to Iraq. My husband looked at me and said, Weren't they talking about Korea?
I said, "I thought they were."
"Bush is screwed."
Robert M. Jeffers
don't get me wrong, i definitely see a tide change coming, but don't misunderestimate the stupidity of a vast majority of americans. they like that cowboy.
after 9/11, i saw a redneck cruising in his pick up. on the tailgate was scrawled, in white paint on black, 'ATTACK IRAQ' i thought to myself WTF, that's not who did 9/11. then i realized if they wanted to do it they could. and they did. dipwits.
that: "I see on the TV screen how hard it is..." should be repeated endlessly. That's the kind of thing that got his father fired.
George knows he doesn't know shit about combat - he started getting squirmier than he already was when Kerry started talking about his service record.
"I see on the TV screen how hard it is..." Yah, that resonates with the families of the military.
Did anyone else think of Napolean Dynamite when he exclaimed in that whinny, petulant voice "Of course I know Osama bin Laden attacked us! I know that!" It would have been absolutely pitch perfect if he had only added a "Gosh!"
As for a wire--wouldn't they have tried for one of those new fangled wireless things? Here's an article from Deaf Today in which "Eden Prairie's hearing -aid pioneer" discusses fitting Bush with an earpiece:
"For the current president, Austin designed and fitted a piece that allows President Bush to hear the soft sound of a quail while he hunts, but which shuts down at the loud clap of his shotgun -- a way to protect the president's hearing." Sounds like a Rovian pre-emptive cover story to me.
YIKES OT!: "I was channel surfing and saw tele-evangelist Oral Roberts and he looked and sounded just like Chief Dan George in Little Big Man."
Incognito
YIKES, I guess!! That's pretty insulting to the memory of Chief Dan George.
If Bush did this bad and the topic was foreign policy and national security, just imagine how bad he's going to look in the domestic policy debate.
I wouldn't be one bit surprised if he pulls out of it.
The whole "hard work" thing would seem to add up to a play for sympathy and a not-so-subliminal admission that he is tired and wants to go home. I agree that Big John could have trashed it--he was impressively quick with the "I've learned not to try that"--but perhaps it's better to let it work by itself and not play into giving grounds for sympathy.
Bush's incoherence last night has strengthened my theory: he's hitting the bottle again. The phoney Texas drawl couldn't effectively mask his slurred speech. And his eyes looked a bit watery.
charley--
I agree. Dangerous to "misunderestimate" Bush. Especially chilling to me was his statement, early on, that he wouldn't even entertain a hypothetical Kerry presidency, because he (Bush) wasn't going to lose.
Echoed a statement by Kitty Kelley in her Salon interview. And she meant her statement to be scary.
But I don't think the Bush base that loves the "cowboy" is broad enough to win him the election. If he is shown against Kerry twice more, and twice more looks as pitiful as he did last night (and I honestly don't expect him to improve at all; Bush doesn't have it in him to change that radically), more and more voters will turn against him.
It won't be a Reagan landslide, or a Nixon rout of McGovern, but I'm beginning to expect a decisive shift toward Kerry. Bush has been defining him for weeks. It is now almost impossible to call Kerry "unfit for command" or a "flip-flopper." All but the most rabid GOP are going to doubt those claims now.
Yesterday afternoon, I came across a Yahoo slideshow picture of Bush taken during his Florida "comfort" trip. ("Bush comforts hurricane victims.") He looked very splotchy and also exhausted. I, of course, was heartened by this, seeing it as a signal that he was under stress--not from his "comforting" efforts but from dealing his months on the campaign trail where he's been repeatedly honing his "message". Suffice it to say, there's no real message, he couldn't master it, and he has exhausted his meager personal resources. He's done. Only potential problems now are Rove slime, terror alert, OBL find, electronic vote hacking, or an entirely new war.
---Now that I mention that, the Thugs still have a lot of cards in their deck that they would not be loath to use.
Will he try to "love her" as hard as those OBGYN's "love" their patients?
The Emperor has been exposed to the world!
Even the GOP spin whores were grasping to say something positive. Faux had some pimp on this morning stating the stock market went up just now, and since the market "always" goes up when Bush is ahead, Bush must've one.
Have these GOP mouthpieces no shame?
LANDSLIDE IN NOVEMBER! We WILL take back our country!
George Bush: Paragon of brevity
How much longer is it gonna take for the freeper trolls to get their talking points together? I'm waiting to hear how chimpy really won the debate because I need my morning chuckle.
Actually, that may be too far from reality even for the freeper crowd. I predict something like "the debates don't matter" or "there's still two to go."
C'mon hat - entertain us.
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Scorpio and pixie -
many thanks for the link!!
Someone on another board I post on just told me "I find it amusing how Kerry didn't outline his plans for Iraq; he just directed us to his website."
Duuuuurrrrr he only has 120 SECONDS to respond! He outlined it as best he could in that time, and told us where to find more information.
Bush didn't even mention a single plan on any topic. I challenged her to show me Bush's plan to get us out of Iraq.
I think the problem with the Republicans is that they don't see a problem with occupying Iraq without a plan to get out. Or at least, that's how Kerry made it look last night.
Yes indeed Fielding, the lack of trollery is telling, I feel.
Her husband, P.J., got killed-been in Afghanistan, went to Iraq. You know, it's hard work to try to love her as best as I can knowing full well that the decision I made caused her, her loved one to be in harm's way.
El Creepo. Now he's trying to move in on the widow, like Richard III.
And did you all notice how Kerry brought back the memory of G.H.W. Bush - comparing the Chimpeor's failings to his Daddy's success? And did you see that pained look on Bush's face?
Yeah!
It must be hard work.
At least for him cause he can't go a week or more before he has to go to Crawford and recover.
MYOB'
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i guess the new spin point is that bush was tired. no doubt from all the hard work he did earlier in the day trying to love everybody in florida as best he can.
another thing i wish kerry had picked up on: i don't think the morale of soldiers in the field is affected much at all by any vague "signals" the white house sends. it is affected more by the situations they find themselves in, which are awful due to bush's incompetence.
Tena--
I caught that whiny "I know that!" last night, but had forgotten about it.
I'd like to see TDS pick up on that Monday. The POTUS as whiny defensive adolescent trying to explain why he didn't study for the final exam.
As I say (ad nauseum, at some point, I know), people will see this in context: Bush v. Kerry. Kerry rattled Bush so badly he was whining and pouting on stage. I've seen him do it before (I recall a shot of Bush as the Winter Olympics, looking for all the world like a child who had been dragged to a theater show he didn't want to attend). So I don't think this as aberrant; it was completely in-line with his character.
That's why I'm so optimistic. If Kerry can maintain that same public persona, it will rattle Bush right down to the ground. He simply cannot respond to such well-reasoned opposition.
And only the hardcore fanatics will want such a person back in the Oval Office. And there really aren't as many of those as FoxNews imagines.
El Creepo. Now he's trying to move in on the widow, like Richard III.
Maybe more like King David. Where's Nathan when we need him?
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It's a well assumed theory that much of what Bush junior is doing has to do with a father-son dynamic gone awry.
The allegations in the Kitty book should discuss it more. Not that her book tells us anymore than we already had access to, but others have talked about how Bush only became president because it was a feat his father accomplished for which he must also accomplish and excell at by not only winning the war in Iraq and Saddam's removal, but winning a second term.
I wouldn't be surprised that if Bush loses in November then his life will be over. His quest to exceed his father's accomplishments will have been a failure.
MYOB'
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Aren't we glad Mr. Bush has finally realized Presidenting is hard work?
The reason it seems like such "hard work" to this President is that he's never before now had to actually work in his entire life. Maybe that could be pointed out. And, yes I know that Kerry comes from an equally, if not more so, privileged background. But that hasn't stopped him from achieving things based on his own efforts and not the handouts of family and friends.
Bush seemed drained and depressed. Those debate groomers must have worked dubya from dawn to dusk for days--he gave the impression that he was relieved to be finally 'getting over with it'.
Wan, unsteady, hestitant, vague, wandering, peeved, trembling...wow, Bush was a total wreck. With an audience of 50 million, calm and cool Kerry may have clinched the race.
Just reading that Michael Stipe of REM is doing a nationwide tour with Bruce Springsteen, John Fogerty, Jurassic 5, Dave Matthews Band, Tracy Chapman, Pearl Jam and 8 other stars for a Kerry victory. First stop is Philadelphia tonight! They'll be hitting all the purple states.
Quote from Howard Fineman: "Bush came with 35 minutes of material for a 90 minute debate
Yea, he said it, but is he going to write that in his column?
Another lie by GW when he said that he never expected to send troops into harms way when he took office. According to Paul O'Neil, they were talking about invading Iraq 10 days after being sworn in.
Kerry crushed. Absolutely crushed. Bush came off as a scared, blithering idiot. Kerry was hard-hitting, calm, cool, collected, masterful- came off as presidential material. If folks are still undecided, they're idiots- though I've never really understood how one could be undecided, what with the war, the economy, our debt, our lack of credibilty internationally, etc. I was truly elated with Kerry's performance- my friends and I were literally cheering when he made his points.
Kerry will be our next president.
Screw the media- Americans just aren't gonna swallow their spin.
If Bush doesn't back out of the other debates, Kerry is going to spank him, and then he's going to spank him in the election.
Yeah, I noticed him using that big fancy word...vociferous.
Someone at dKos said he actually pronounced it as "vociferocious".
Is that true?
The "hard work" meme first surfaced last week in the press conference. It's as close as he dares come to saying he screwed up. First it was a cakewalk, now it's "hard work." From a guy who never did a day of hard work in his whole life.
Hey, THK! Come to DC this weekend and let's go shopping at Rizik's for your Inaugural Ball gown! Then, let's go have an early dinner at Morton's on the patio and talk about how scared Laura Bush is of you.
Kerry's line about Laura last night was sheer genius. How shitty do the Republicans look now continuing to beat up on THK? Boy, I can't wait until the Kerrys throw that white Texas trash out of the people's house!!
Right on, Atrios! This is the attack I've been pushing to the media outlets since 10:35 last night -- stop bitching about your job, Mr. President! If you can't handle it, we have someone who can!
(worded much more professionally, of course)
You know what's really an easy job, George?
Baseball Commissioner.
Go for it!
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One of the best parts of this debate was when John Kerry said that nuclear proliferation was the top focus for him and Bush had to sheepishly say the same thing and then try to explain how his plan was better...
And he wasn't even able to explain himself... Incoherent mumbo-jumble.
John Kerry owned Bush.
ROTFLMAO -
OF COURSE BUSH looked tired - the debate prep time ran over into his nap time because he just wasn't getting it. (Dick gave strict instructions that Bush couldn't take his nap until he got most of his 30 to 80 second talking points right). I can't help but wonder if there was a heart attack in Colorado last night.
Someone at dKos said he actually pronounced it as "vociferocious".
Is that true?
I believe he said vociferously and he actually said it correctly. He must've been practicing all day. Maybe that's why he was so tired. All that hard work rehearsin' and all.
George Bush isn't a good Presidenter.
"John Kerry owned Bush".- Jesse
Damn straight. See Woot's link. Kerry kicked Bush's ass.
Vicki Stein,
Hey sweetie, when Bush said let me finish he couldn't have been talking to Jim L.
His green light was on and Jimmy would never ever interupt the President.
It was truly bizarre.
Erica
We need a picture of Bush's back to settle this thing to see if there was a wire hanging in the back.
Attaturk - we need some help please.
"Hard work"
"Hard work"
"It's hard work"
"Hard work"
"Hard work"
"It's hard work"
Someone (Jon Stewart?) needs to splice these all together to a rap beat to make him look like the silly chimp he is. Add a chorus of "wrong war in the wrong place at the wrong time" and play it ALL FUCKING DAY just like the Dean Scream got. Do that and you have seen the last of this preznit.
Anyway, that's an awful lot of hard work for someone who spends a third of his preznitcy on vacation. Or was he counting clearing brush?
Someone asked me this morning what I thought of the debate. I could only describe it as Thomas Jefferson vs. Yosemite Sam.
Sadly, there are an awful lot of people who would vote for 'Rootinest, 'Tootinest Preznit what ever occupied a ferrin country.
I went from an "Anybody But Bush" to an ardent Kerry supporter last night. He sold me. I can't wait for Tuesday night. I am so hoping that Edwards makes the BigTime Dick blow out the batteries on his defibrillator.
Who loved the face on Smirky McBlunder when Kerry quoted his own father 41 about Iraq...
I turned to my wife and said, I give him another minute to come unglued.
Cause its hard work not to send massed mixages...
WOOT: Thanks for the picture.
shrub did pronounce "vociferously" pretty close to correctly. it was a nonsensical word to use to describe what he was describing, but the pronunciation was pretty damn close.
"nuclear proliferation"
If Kerry had not been called on first, Shrub would not have known the answer (cf. no knowing how to answer what his biggest mistake/regret was).
What a fertile area for follow-up now with huge emphasis on Plame and her Bush-destroyed network. C'mon spinners.
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All those primary debates really helped KErry, I think. He stood there straight ramrod-like for 90 min, always alert, taking notes and really involved in the debate process. Bush was out of shape, slouchy, couldn't stand straight, looked small behind the podium, with his impish look the whole time. Kerry would start taking notes as soon as Bush started replying. Bush only pretended to take notes.
Also, Time's Karen Tumulty pointed out on Charlie Rose that those timing lights actually helped Kerry. He was forced to finish on time and his sentences were shorter and sharper.
Bush asked for extra time but didn't have much to say.
Kerry may have the Pres on the defensive, but there's a coup-de-grace out there just WAITING for the Dems to pull out, in my opinion...
Nothing would sink Bush & co. more decisively than their own words used to discredit their Main Line of Argument. MLoA: the impression they're now trying to give that they knew all along how hard it would be.
Ammunition that would blow MLoA out of the water: well, I don't have it to hand (after brief unsuccessful googling), but I heard it, a few months ago, on the local L.A. rad public radio station (KPFK)...either on Amy Goodman's show or another one.
It's an audio montage of administration figures, in the days leading up to the war, about a dozen separate snippets, ALL TELLING THE PUBLIC HOW SPECTACULARLY EASY...AND CHEAP...THE WAR AND THE RECONSTRUCTION OF IRAQ WAS GONNA BE.
My GOD, it's so damning...just put it right alongside Bush's words from last night, trying to portray himself as some tough-minded, grim Gary-Cooper-at-High-Noon type who knew, from Day 1, what we were in for. The audio includes Rumsfeld and other high-ups talking, in addition to the press-spokesman flacks.
I don't know who besides those pub. radio folks would have this montage in the form in which I heard it, but we need to find it and it needs to be USED, for God's sake. It's short & sweet, and utterly, utterly damning to this administration, that's counting on the appallingly short memory of the public to sneak by in November.
Dear George,
When you're passionate about what you do, it's not "hard work".
Sincerely,
a Kerry supporter
PeeJay's gone and we were a-cryin' and a-huggin' and a-prayin' and a-laughin'
And a-laughin'? Even the homily to the base got snagged on the flotsam of ole miserable's weary and disjointed gab!
For a man so against homo buggery
He's really into widow huggery
From his war in Iraq
Widows, he won't lack
A perfect case of neocon thuggery
Did anyone notice, during the gladhanding after the debate, that Laura Bush slid her arm around Theresa Kerry's waist and then for a moment wouldn't let go? Theresa started to step away and then had to step back.
I fantasized that she whispered into Theresa's ear, "Can I come home with you, please? Please?" Or, "Theresa, dear, do you know a good divorce lawyer?"
Bush is toast. Please pass the butter.
VictoriaB in MA
i also hope my hero picks up on that damn line bush keeps saying about how the world is safer since saddam is not in power. safer where? Iraq/Afghanistan/spain/russia/sudan/ n.korea/israel/cuba/iran? and that's just off the top of my head-imagine if i had john's obvious brain matter!
What is it with this guy and love and women.
"You know, it's hard work to try to love her as best as I can"
Maybe his next job will be as an OBGYN doctor. Of course with skipping medical school or ...OR having daddy get him into medical school then not attending classes and just think his very own prescription pad.
The possibilities!
"it's hard work to try to love her as best I can..."
Why do I sense a parody song is already being recorded somewhere?
I don't think he's hitting the bottle again. A prominent doctor has said that Bush behaves like an "untreated alcoholic", meaning Bush tried to go cold turkeee w/ the "born again" crap instead of a reputable 12-step program (where the first thing you do, in contrast to becoming "born again", is *admit you have a problem* and begin to atone for your past).
Daay-ummm! Preznit'n's harrrd! Cain I guh back to Crawford now? Mebbe Poppy, ah mean, Karl cain pull some strings and make it look lak ah wun ennyway.
For what every it's worth, I did find a Fox News Poll
http://www.foxnews.com/story/
0,2...,133316,00.html
JA
Go to our site if you want to hear the new Bill O'Reilly song "Shut Up" that's been featured on Air America.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/
Faces of Frustration
Don't miss this treasure at the DNC site.
The only thing it lacks, IMO, to make it air-ready is to cut away from the jazzy music right at the end then add that incredible deer-in-the-headlights clip that John Stewart used last night (where Bush agitatedly asks for more time, then looks slack-jawed into the camera for a good five seconds).
Kerry also came off as a nice guy with a big heart. Just when he could have jumped on Bush after body-slamming him, he put out his hand, helped him up and dusted him off.
Isn't true in the American male culture, everybody is always on the team and that the worse that should happen is being demoted to waterboy? Bush got handed the bucket.
I hope this played very well to the country, with 1/2 the voting population (btw, the half that actually goes to the polls) watching. Miss Blackheart Nur would have stomped him (metaphorically of course).
Vote:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004.../press.pundits/
Bush is toast. Please pass the butter.
I've got a fresh tin of Tiptree's Little Scarlet preserves I'm saving for election night.
Anyone else get the impression that when he says "the enemy attacked us", he means Satan?
Hey folks, I'm just dying to know what that "let me finish" was all about. Does anyone have a clue? It's only been discussed by low level blogospherians like ourselves, as far as I can tell. It may be a sign of serious neurological deterioration, unless there's a reasonable explanation.
Bush does seem to show signs of some psychoactive meds, whether anti-depressants, anti-psychotics, or anti-anxiety. Who knows. Judging by his listlessness and lethargic posture, with some slowness, I'd guess some mix of them.
It could also explain some of the "weight gain" look and agedness of the past 6 months. I think it was just months ago that Capitol Hill Blue reported that Bush was in fact prescribed "powerful" psychoactive meds. My guess is Effexor (new anti-depressant) and/or Zyprexa (anti-psychotic often used for schizoid symptoms).
Since there are no Freepers showing up, and I know you're all longing for a troll to skewer, I'll see what I can do.
Hmm. Okay, there's no question that although Kerry may have seemed to win that debate, it's not going to help Kerry's standing in the polls. The fact is, after four years of such strong, resolute leadership by Pres. Bush, Americans are tired of having a superman in office.
Anticipating this, Bush is now projecting a human, vulnerable, unfocused side. Looking all strong and determined is the kiss of death for Kerry. Americans are tired of strength. They want a man who, when confronted by difficuties, purses his lips, rolls his eyes, and lets petulance do the talking for America.
Geez, I should work for the RNC.
It's only been discussed by low level blogospherians like ourselves, as far as I can tell.
Low level? I resemble that remark. 
Maybe he was saying "let me finish" to the voice in his ear telling him what to say. Either that or he was talking to the voices in his head. In any case, I think this merits further investigation.
He feels so bad for the Gold Star Mothers, he has them thrown out of his rallies and arrested.
"let me finish"
I think KKKarl was trying for a Reagan "There you go again" or Mondale "Where's the Beef" line last night, and the two main contenders Shrub was instructed to hammer were "Let Me Finish!" and "Wait Just a Second!", which he pushed in his lame-ass way. This was supposed to show him standing up assertively against liberal media and opponents, like Raygun's "I paid for this microphone".
Didn't work.
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No, the freep spin is "Kerry is a master debater, but Bush is a LEADER!" Once again, reverting to the little president inside their head.
Anticipating this, Bush is now projecting a human, vulnerable, unfocused side.
Rove is projecting a new job.
Math is haaarrrd!
A friend of mine has made and is selling "Don't forget Poland" t-shirts. They're hysterical:
http://lennonreport.blogspot.com
Bush's remark about trying to "love" Missy reminded me immediately of his
earlier remark about OB-GYNS being able to "practice their love" on women. As a woman, these remarks sound condescending. I don't really care if my either my doctor or president "loves" me, what I need from both is that they do their very best work for me in a professional, responsible manner. I note that he hasn't spoken of trying to love our male fellow citizens, just us girls. Hey, don't pat me on the head, just do your job to the best of your ability!
Rove is projecting a new job.
I wonder if he's posted his resume on Monster.com yet?
It's a hard row to hoe, I tell ya, a hard row to how.
Yeah, what was the deal with that "let me finish"? Chimpy's red light wasn't on and there's no way Lehrer was trying to interrupt him. It appeared to me that he was hallucinating.
Silly rabbit, it was the voices that weren't letting him finish.
Someone needs to take and edit a clip that condenses the paragraph about hard work to this: "it's hard work...I see on the TV screens how hard it is," and run that clip to death. Ideally, it should be mated of footage from Going Up River of John Kerry walking the jungles and manning the SWIFT boats in Vietnam. Tagline: George Bush knows what war looks like on TV; John Kerry knows what it looks like from inside. Who do you trust to lead our troops?
I think they're just "master-debating" themselves.
I agree with the bazarness of Bush saying "Let me finish" when he still had lots of time left on the clock.
It looked to me that he had a COACH in the first row and he was saying that to him or her. Either that, or he was talking to himself, which is psychotic.
This needs investigating. If he DID have a coach (did you see him wink at someone in the first row near the beginning of the debate?), how were they communicating with each other????? Was it through an ear piece? Was it through signs? We deserve to know....
deja pesu & the whole "let me finish" thing--
besides being standard wingnut perceived-inhgerent-victimhood (the Big Time Reporters never let him finish!), he did this in that Irish interview where he tried to escape follow-up questions and then had his staff be nasty to her later.
Somebody needs to point out, publicly, that maybe the reason for Bush's failures in all of this hard work is that he's never experienced hard work before.
Dayum. Jerk.
Peace
Jazzy
It's one thing to be certain -- but you can be certain and wrong." -- John Kerry
"You know, it's hard work to try to love her as best as I can, knowing full well that the decision I made caused her loved one to be in harm's way." -- George W. Bush
"To be laughing at your president -- and it wasn't that he said anything funny -- that is not good," said [Bruce] Glazier, an independent who also came into the room undecided. "I wonder how he comes across to the rest of the world when he acts like that…. Is he making the world laugh at him too?" -- L.A. Times
"No president who has presided over Abu Ghraib should ever say he wants to put anyone on a leash." -- Andrew Sullivan
A more lucid debate post-mortem at Slate.
or here
-- Mr. Jeffers, you left out the "U" (for Usurper) in UPOTUS.
-- Bush's face was a morph of Humphrey Bogart as Captain Queeg in "The Caine Mutiny" and C. Montgomery Burns from "The Simpsons."
if bush thinks it's hard for him to love that widow as best he can, he should remember how hard it is for all the gynecologists out there.
well, it's not as easy as it used to be. King David could just have the widow brought to the palace.
These guys were under a LOT of pressure last night
One of the handled it well, remaining calm, unflappable, strong and on course. The other was rattled, defensive, jittery and barely able to contain his rage, much less make much sense at all.
Now which one of these do we want with their finger on the nuclear buttons, I wonder?
Laura Bush slid her arm around Theresa Kerry's waist and then for a moment wouldn't let go
Don't give me that shit, and get your hands off me.
I was hoping, while they were talking about Kyoto, that Kerry would point out the relationship between global warming and hurricanes.
Bush needed more cowbell...
"So W had three days to rehearse the debate."
phil anders
Actually I heard somewhere this week that his staff has been working with him for 3 months! And I heard yesterday that it was Kerry who had 3 days to rehearse. Somehow I think that's a little closer to the truth.
"It was so damn bizarre, and yet I noticed that no one has shown that clip on the news this morning. (Could it be because it makes him look nuts like he's talking to himself.
I wondered last night if it was such an ingrained habit with him at news conferences and interviews that it just weirdly slipped out.
But I believe that we should be discussing this more because it was clearly the most bizarrest moment at the debate last night and we should all start asking questions about who he was talking to and why he said it when his green light showed one more minute."
Erica
CNN showed it a couple of times overnight (early morning to you east coasties 5-7 am EST), saying it showed how upset Bush was since he usually reserves that for reporters. FWIW. And yes, just who the hell was he speaking to when he said "Lemme finish". I too thought that was high strangeness.
Cheers
there is little doubt after that ridiculous performance by preznit whistle-ass that the boy is in need of psychiatric care. And still people defend and worship this sorry motherfucker. the whole thing is beyond bizzare.
A bit of gold from one of Josh's readers.
From a reader: "The 'hard work' is not getting the casualty report. The 'hard work' is being the casualty."
i'm more and more convinced that Wrong had Wrelations with one and probably both of his daughters before he swore off the sauce; but like all dry drunks, he still has the cravings...
Hard Work??
You mean like flying for the TANG.
Apparently so. Check out the Russ Baker artilce over at www.thenation.com
Like Prof Brad Delong suspected last week. Bush was having a hard time flying and was sent back to flying trainers before washing out / going AWOL from the TANG.
"Lemme finish" is one of the lines he was told to say, to secure sympathy. Wrong's inappropriate timing of the remark is just another symptom of the radical dys-juncture between the world he inhabits--the dry-drunk's perpetual, consuming worry about booze--and the world of real life and time...i suppose he's to be pitied, but not til he's packed his sorry ass back to Crawfish...
We should relentlessly push this phrasing to spin the debate against Bush. It has the elements that appeal to the ignorami: ridicule, short and simple, easily repeated and adapted to any question. GWB says being president is too hard; so why doesn't he quit. GWB says being president is hard for him; yeah much harder than (insert Bush victim here). This could be made into a huge blunder if we spin it relentlessly.
Is anybody anywhere going to still say that Dubya is the kind of guy you would want to have a beer with? When I meet up with a stranger at a bar who starts running off at the mouth, slurring his words and repeating himself, I quickly turn around and walk away.
Give yourself some giggles: Copy and Paste that into Word. Replace "hard" with "effin' hard" or "hard effin'".
How's that for plain speakin'?
Bush's hardest job has been inserting all the gonna, woulda, coulda, dudn't bullsheet into his speech.
"I was hoping, while they were talking about Kyoto, that Kerry would point out the relationship between global warming and hurricanes."
Texmenbashi
I've kind of been entertaining the thought that God is taking Vengeance on Florida. Anyone else have that thought? Sort of poetic justice, no?
But of course Texmenbashi is correct and I was thinking the same thing during the debate.
Stand by for Mt. Saint Helens to blow again, and earthquakes all up and down the west coast. Yippee!
Another lie by GW when he said that he never expected to send troops into harms way when he took office. According to Paul O'Neil, they were talking about invading Iraq 10 days after being sworn in.
Bush better hope he wins the election. Imagine him as an ex-president. He is far too lazy and uncreative to find a useful public role like Carter or Ford or Clinton. There isn't much of a man in the suit: self pity would destroy him in a few years.
"Another lie by GW when he said that he never expected to send troops into harms way when he took office. According to Paul O'Neil, they were talking about invading Iraq 10 days after being sworn in."- HotinAZ
They were also planning to invade Afghanistan prior to 9/11.
Conjecture: Bush is in Iraq in order to create war widows that he can then "love."
Sounds like a cross between a Tom Clancy novel and a Thomas Harris thriller. Great, pulpy stuff!
Bush is toast. Please pass the butter.
Butter with toast?
I don't think so.
What goes better with toast, when one is in a celebratory mood? I'll spell it out for you.
M-a-r-m-a-l-a-d-e.
Marmalade, bitches.
I just realized that Bush now uses the euphemism "in harm's way" for "killed" or "dead".
Also, didjya all notice how Bush's wife went right over to Kerry's wife to compliment her on her dress after debate was over. I'd love to see *those* two debate! Hah!
mixed messages: being able to speak clearly and debate the merits of all the important issues
Bush is just jealous that while Kerry can speak so clearly, Bush bungles even the simplest talking points.
And I'm sure the timing of the major attack on Samarra isn't intended to bump or blunt the debate headlines.
They were also planning to invade Afghanistan prior to 9/11.
They pretty much s-canned that idea when they found out there wasn't enough oil under the Black Sea to make it worth their while.
He never completes a sentence with more than three parts of speech.
What we wind up with is an incoherent stream of unrelated words and phrases which is absolutely meaningless.
I really can't understand what it is that he is driving at.
Presidentin' is hard! It's HARD!!
[never dreamt he might have to go to war? wow]
Certainly, remember the neo-cons thought it was "The End of History"
Also, remember during Clinton, there was not only prosperity, but peace was breaking out all over the world.
Now he's trying to move in on the widow, like Richard III
Now has our glorious summer been made a winter of discontent by this son of a Bush.
He never completes a sentence with more than three parts of speech.
Three parts speech, four parts scotch.
Well, of course Kerry did better than Dumbass. Still, I thought Kerry missed two good opportunities to hit the nail out of the park, as they say in the Carpenters Softball League.
1) Bush tried to pin that stupid $87B business on him, and Kerry just said something about "speaking about the war in the wrong way." I thought the point was that everyone knows Kerry didn't vote against 87 billion dollars for the troops! He voted against a particular means of providing those funds. And Bush vowed to veto a different version of the bill. This was sparring over the specifics of the bill. There was never any doubt that the troops would be funded.
2) At one point, Bush smarmed something like, "Sure, he's got big plans, but what I wanna know is, How's he gonna pay for alla that?" Kerry should have hit him with, "By repealing the tax cuts for the super rich, you dope! They don't need it, and we can't afford to give it to them." (He could have substituted "Mr. President" for "you dope," as a matter of style.
Other than that, sure, he creamed him.
I've got a fresh tin of Tiptree's Little Scarlet preserves I'm saving for election night.
Oh, yum. Where can you get Tiptree stuff in the US? I've been missing it bigtime.
Is there any way to prove from the tapes of the debate that Bush was wired (literally, not figuratively)? Sure would be nice to know if he is hearing abd responding to things that aren't there, or what.
If there's a hell, surely this man has earned a place in it.
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