I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Who?
frist?
who
Hands up if you ain't a boy [though you need not necessarily be a man] and you believe in a Promised Land.
Oh, is that where you've been? How were REM and Bright Eyes?
Poland, bitches!!!
Willis?
Friends, if you were to interview Margaret Carlson--hypothetical for you, not so for me--what would you ask her? I'm especially interested in nailing her hackish complicity of the Bush administration's sins against democratic institutions and norms.
Respond on the thread or email me.
What's up with Scarborough and Ron Reagan Jr. hangin out together all the time on my teevee?
They look awful, um, chummy.
Hands up if you ain't a boy [though you need not necessarily be a man] and you believe in a Promised Land
Uh, no.
Fear the Boom-Stick.
URGENT!! Are their any Texas bloggers out there that would be interested in a FREE TRIP (And lodging) to Florida to canvass next weekend???? You must depart from Austin one week from today and we need people who realize you must work to win.
PLEEEAAASSSEEE!!!
PS i'm going to continually post this so I apologize in advance.
Rock. On.
URGENT!! Are their any Texas bloggers out there that would be interested in a FREE TRIP (And lodging) to Florida to canvass next weekend???? You must depart from Austin one week from today and we need people who realize you must work to win.
PLEEEAAASSSEEE!!!
PS i'm going to continually post this so I apologize in advance.
The highway's jammed with broken heroes on a last chance power drive.
Well, Alex, it might help if you gave an e-mail address and some indication of what organization you work for.
And why only Texas bloggers will do for Florida.
Everybodys out on the run tonight but theres no place left to hide
How's The Boss, Hmmmmm?
Now to the important stuff. Someone explain this for me.
BUSH: That's a loaded question. Well, first of all, I admire Senator Kerry's service to our country. I admire the fact that he is a great dad. I appreciate the fact that his daughters have been so kind to my daughters in what has been a pretty hard experience for, I guess, young girls, seeing their dads out there campaigning.
[...]
KERRY: ... I acknowledge that his daughters -- I've watched them. I've chuckled a few times at some of their comments.
[...]
BUSH: I'm trying to put a leash on them
_____________________
Have the Kerry daughters bailed out Jenna and Barbara from some kind of trouble? The way Bush phrased his thanks made it sound like something of this kind had happened.
Jack the Rabbit and Weak Knees Willie, you know they're gonna be there
Ah, sloppy Sue and Big Bones Billie, they'll be comin' up for air
We're gonna play some pool, skip some school, act real cool
Stay out all night, it's gonna feel all right
So Rosie come out tonight, baby come out tonight
Windows are for cheaters, chimneys for the poor
Closets are for hangers, winners use the door
So use it Rosie, that's what it's there for
Did The Boss follow advice offered here ages ago (I confess) and do a dynamite rewritten number called Meet Me At Kerry's Place?
PS i'm going to continually post this so I apologize in advance.
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I think once per minute might be a tad excessive, don't you? How about some credentials? Or maybe hit a few thousand other sites before reposting.
OK: we have the Boss in the house
Baby, we were born to run!
That concert was the hotness. Fuh rill.
Most apropos Bruce lyric:
Oh, some hazard from Harvard was skunked on beer playin' backyard bombardier
Yes and Scotland Yard was trying hard, they sent a dude with a calling card,
he said, do what you like, but don't do it here
Well I jumped up, turnedaround, spit in the air, fell on the ground
Asked him which was the way back home
He said take a right at the light, keep goin' straight until night, and then boy, you're on your own
Hmm...Harvard? Beer? Backyard Bombadier?
Written in 1973?
Hmm...
Goodday, Bruce!
Oh, Hello Bruce!
How are yer Bruce?
Bit crook, Bruce.
Where's Bruce?
He's not here, Bruce.
Blimey, s'hot in here, Bruce.
S'hot enough to boil a monkey's bum!
That's a strange expression, Bruce.
nah, no song rewritten for kerry. bruce sang with rem for 'man on the moon' and stipe sang with bruce on because the night..
Bush vs. Kerry: Toody and Muldoon together again
Car 54 Where Are You?
Well Bruce, I heard the Prime Minister use it. S'hot enough to boil a monkey's bum in 'ere, your Majesty,' he said and she smiled quietly to herself.
She's a good Sheila, Bruce and not at all stuck up.
Ah, here comes the Bossfella now! - how are you, Bruce?
Goodday, Bruce, Hello Bruce, how are you, Bruce? Gentlemen, I'd like to introduce a chap from pommie land... who'll be joining us this year here in the Philosophy Department of the University of Woolamaloo.
Goodday.
Michael Baldwin - this is Bruce. Michael Baldwin - this is Bruce. Michael Baldwin - this is Bruce.
Is your name not Bruce, then?
No, it's Michael.
That's going to cause a little confusion.
Mind if we call you 'Bruce' to keep it clear?
I was bruised and battered and I couldn't tell
what I felt
I was unrecognizable to myself
Saw my reflection in a window I didn't know
my own face
Oh brother are you gonna leave me
wasting away
On the streets of Philadelphia
I walked the avenue till my legs felt like stone
I heard the voices of friends vanished and gone
At night I could hear the blood in my veins
Just as black and whispering as the rain
On the streets of Philadelphia
Ain't no angel gonna greet me
It's just you and I my friend
And my clothes don't fit me no more
I walked a thousand miles
just to slip this skin
The night has fallen, I'm lyin' awake
I can feel myself fading away
So receive me brother with your faithless kiss
or will we leave each other alone like this
On the streets of Philadelphia
Skillz.
The Wingers HACKED Ginny Schrader
Is this what happens after Atrios endorses????????
Well, Gentlemen, I think we'd better start the meeting. Before we start, though, I'll ask the padre for a prayer.
Oh Lord, we beseech thee, have mercy on our faculty, Amen!!
Amen!
Crack the tubes, right! (Third Bruce starts opening beer cans) Er, Bruce, I now call upon you to welcome Mr. Baldwin to the Philosophy Department.
I'd like to welcome the pommy bastard to God's own earth, and I'd like to remind him that we don't like stuck-up sticky-beaks here.
Hear, hear! Well spoken, Bruce!
Now, Bruce teaches classical philosophy, Bruce teaches Haegelian philosophy, and Bruce here teaches logical positivism, and is also in charge of the sheepdip.
What's does new Bruce teach?
New Bruce will be teaching political science - Machiavelli, Bentham, Locke, Hobbes, Sutcliffe, Bradman, Lindwall, Miller, Hassett, and Benet.
Those are cricketers, Bruce!
Oh, spit!
Howls of derisive laughter, Bruce!
Have the Kerry daughters bailed out Jenna and Barbara from some kind of trouble?
Maybe they gave them something...
Like condoms, or an ecstacy test kit.
oh. THAT Bruce.
Springfield n' Stipes on the same night.
I'm envious.
In addition, as he's going to be teaching politics, I've told him he's welcome to teach any of the great socialist thinkers, provided he makes it clear that they were wrong.
Australia, Australia, Australia, Australia, we love you. Amen!
Any questions?
New Bruce - are you a pooftah?
Are you a pooftah?
No!
No right, well gentlemen, I'll just remind you of the faculty rules: Rule one - no pooftahs. Rule two, no member of the faculty is to maltreat the Abbos in any way whatsoever - if there's anybody watching. Rule three - no pooftahs. Rule four - I don't want to catch anyone not drinking in their room after lights out. Rule five - no pooftahs. Rule six - there is no rule six! Rule seven - no pooftahs. That concludes the reading of the rules, Bruce.
This here's the wattle - the emblem of our land. You can stick it in a bottle or you can hold it in your hand.
Amen!
TalkLeft is requesting a concert update from Atrios.
Ah the memories- saw the Boss at the Vet (me and 66,000 others) back during the Born in the USA neverending tour in geez, maybe August 1985? (Almost twenty years ago? Damn!) 2nd row, on the field right in front of the stage owing to some extremely fortuitous timing in the ticket line. My friend and I had an extra ticket, so we invited then Philadelphia Inquirer columnist (and HUGE Bruce fan) Clark DeLeon to come with us. He took us out for a wallow at Dirty Franks and wrote up the show in his column (presumably so he could deduct the beer). As I recall, Bruce et al. kicked some serious ass. Yo!
Everyone was waiting for a big "gaffe" last night. Something silly and slanderous we could focus on in the debate.
Instead, "Campaign Carl" Cameron of Fox News inadvertently provided the gaffe FOR US the next morning.
I hope everyone is sharing this story with their friends and web-neighbors:
www.talkingpointmemo.com
I'm sure Dan Rather is emailing this to everyone HE knows. 
Gentlemen, at six o'clock I want every man-Bruce of you in the Sydney Harbour Bridge room to take a glass of sherry with the flying philosopher, Bruce, and I call upon you, padre, to close the meeting with a prayer.
Oh Lord, we beseech thee etc. etc. etc., Amen.
Amen!
Right, let's get some Sheilas.
OK.
Ah, elevenses.
This should tide us over 'til lunchtime.
Reckon so, Bruce.
Sydney Nolan! What's that!
Lets make that Springsteen.
Too drunk to type. G'night.
The Wingers HACKED Ginny Schrader
Campaign Solutions allegedly involved. Aren't they the ones that put together the anti-Mike Moore website/ boycott thingy? Or am I mistaken? All these shadowy think tank groups have similar names.
Can't wait till Tuesday night.
It will be Awesome entertainment.
I want to see Cheney unglued.
python interlude over...bruce.
Rick Perlstein -
I think I would ask ol' Marg' to elaborate on how her reporting of Bush was colored by the fact that the Bush campaign served better food. That's not made up, that's straight from her auto-biography. That particular line made me want to puke.
Regret for the things we did can be tempered by time; it is regret for the things we did not do that is inconsolable
I have no idea how Cheney is in a debate. Haven't seen one. Any ideas or views?
Fish are not food.
Fish are our freinds.
Greenfield on Aaron Brown replay now, talking again about how Kerry may have won the debate but he's still way behind, uphill battle, practically hopeless, etc. etc.
Rick,
Maybe it's not totally on point, but I've always wanted to hear her answer questions about her autobiography that came out a year or two ago. In it, she traces her "liberal" background. Yet the very same book recounts the shallowness of her own interests once she made it into the media elite. She falls asleep listening to Hillary talk substance during her trip to Africa, she thinks it was more fun to mock Gore's small mistakes rather than Bush's big mistakes during 2000, and she made a point of ripping how Gore's plane didn't serve the reporters food that was as fancy as on the Bush plane. How are these concerns of a so-called liberal? Are these the issues that matter? Is this why she went into her profession? Isn't Bush the antithesis of all of that -- and shouldn't she CARE??
In short, I'd like to hear her explain how she isn't a media whore.
Bush vs. CIA: Round One! FIGHT!!
WASHINGTON, Oct. 1 - James L. Pavitt spent 31 years at the Central Intelligence Agency, the last five as head of the clandestine service, before retiring in August. But never, Mr. Pavitt said Friday, does he recall anything like "the viciousness and vindictiveness" now playing out in a battle between the White House and the C.I.A.
The tensions have simmered for years, mostly over intelligence about Iraq, including whether Iraq posed a threat. But in the last few weeks, they have surged into the open in a remarkable way, in a struggle in which both sides believe they have much at stake.
Already, the contents of classified intelligence estimates about Iraq have been leaked by people sympathetic to the C.I.A., to the considerable embarrassment of the White House. In response, the White House associated the documents' authors with "pessimists and naysayers," and President Bush initially dismissed one particularly damaging forecast as nothing more than a guess. And in newspaper columns in recent days, Republican partisans have variously described what is now afoot as part of an insurgency or vendetta being waged by the C.I.A. against the White House.
Maybe they'll collide like matter and anti-matter and destroy each other.
Hullo, my name is Bruce. It has been three weeks since my last fish -- on my honor -- or may I be chopped up and made into soup.
-- You know it's the same guy that does Dame Edna doing that voice?
.
Just saw a poll on CNN international,Quoted who was more believeable?
Bush 50 percent
Kerry 45 percent
Gallup.
650 voters.
Where did this poll come from?Why was it not on American television?Is this (RN)CNN's way of pissing off the international community?
I ain't a boy. No, I'm a man. And I believe in a promised land!
Sydney J. Harris
Dude, I'm guessing that even after being dead for 18 years, you still write better than most of the hacks out there calling themselves journalists! Thanks for the reminder of one of my favorite columnists.
John Kerry must hit a home run in this debate. And if he does, and if ... if Bush does not come as prepared as he should, we could see this race tighten considerably ... we could see him turn this thing around ... what? What's that? The debate's over? Yes, yes, well, well let me say something ... unfortunately for John Kerry, one victory in one debate does not a president make.
EkCenTrik -
I like Al Franken's idea of how one should debate Cheney. Franken was really peeved that Lieberman did not nail Cheney when he crowed: "the government had nothing to do with my [corporate] success". To which Franken would have replied: "Are you joking?!" Cheney was not a seasoned corporate exec when he took the Halligrafton job, he had been a life-long bureaucrat/legislator. We are to believe that Hallideath's spike in government contracts happened because Cheney was a bad-ass executive and not because of massive crony capitalism.
I'm working on a list of people and groups Bush has alienated or otherwise pissed off:
Democrats
Congress
His Dad
Europe: Romance Language Speaking
Europe: Teutonic Language Speaking
Europe: Slavic Language Speaking
Atrios
China
Hippies
North Korea
Homosexuals
South Korea
Iraq
Jews
Japan
Muslims
The CIA
Arabs
The FBI
The Southern Hemisphere
Mother Earth
The Ghost of Babe Ruth
Bill Clinton
Speaking of journalists who are sorely missed.
Old Hat,
I have to believe he's pissed off the Basques as well.
I have to believe he's pissed off the Basques as well.
Europe: Other/Misc.
Old Hat
Toss in Galatic Overseers.
If he hasn't, he will.
Of course by that time, if Bush is re-elected, they will figure we are too stupid to be allowed to expand into the Galaxy and they will destroy the planet.
But not before being called un-American and naysayers.
I have to believe he's pissed off the Basques as well.
You did forget one,
The smalfish household.
If the 2000 VP debate had been a boxing match, and if Lieberman was a fighter paid by the mob to "take a fall," the boxing match would have borne a startling resemblence to the debate.
I'm just saying, is all.
and inkblots of all shapes and sizes.
I'm working on a list of people and groups Bush has alienated or otherwise pissed off ...
You forgot:
People arising from their slumber who have detected the aroma of fresh coffee in the air
Old Hat,
Add:
Actual real genuine Christians who try to live by Jesus' example
Overheard on the subway after the concert:
Blond, pink-faced man: "Man, what the hell was wrong with REM?"
Gray-haired, polo-shirted friend: "Yeah, they have a problem... what are they so political for?"
Yes, there shouldn't be politics at a political rally/concert.
If the 2000 VP debate had been a boxing match, and if Lieberman was a fighter paid by the mob to "take a fall," the boxing match would have borne a startling resemblence to the debate.
What was that tooth-rattling line that Cheney got off on Lieberman? It was almost nice to watch the Putz get smacked down that hard, even by Vader himself. I hate Cheney but that one liner was very good...anyone remember?
wtfwjd?
Define Christian, because they will if you do not.
Actually I keep running into this, it is not explicitly said, but there is a tone with the true believers that anyone not backing Bush is not really a Christian.
Rick Perlstein,
I don't have a question for Margaret Carlson. But I've read "Before the Storm" and recommend it often. Good work!
Old Hat-
There are going to be lots of homeless vets on the "Streets of Philidephia" soon. PTSD for this crop of returnees is going to be very severe.
And I'm pleased to see, Dick, from the newspapers, that you're better off than you were eight years ago, too.
(LAUGHTER)
CHENEY: And most of it and I can tell you, Joe, that the government had absolutely nothing to do with it.
(LAUGHTER)
(APPLAUSE)
SHAW: This question's to you, but…
LIEBERMAN: I can see my wife, and I think she's thinking, "Gee, I wish he would go out into the private sector."
CHENEY: Well, I'm going to try to help you do that, Joe.
Can you say, "straight man"?
Actual real genuine Christians who try to live by Jesus' example
Tw of the most memorable kids in high school were two "real" Christian classmates of mine. Cynthia and Gabe, I remember their names. Not pious at all and they didn't talk about they're faith very much. I was deeply impressed with the way they practiced their religion. Good people.
This thread has put me in mind of a quote from Paulo Freire, which fits Bush and those who follow him perfectly:
Men and women rarely admit their fear of freedom openly, however, tending rather to camouflage it--sometimes unconsciously--by presenting themselves as defenders of freedom.
more springsteen lyrics in honor of shrimpy chimpy's debate performance:
you know that tilt-a-whirl out on the south beach drag
i got on it last night and my shirt got caught
it kept me spinnin round
didn't think i'd ever get off
I confused a friend the other day that noted a coworker with an "I vote the Bible" button. My friend pointed it out to me and asked what I thought. I told I certainly hope he does vote the Bible. My friend never got it.
LIEBERMAN: I can see my wife, and I think she's thinking, "Gee, I wish he would go out into the private sector."
CHENEY: Well, I'm going to try to help you do that, Joe.
Yeah, that was it! Man, that hurt. I remember it took a few beats for Joe to pick himself up off the ground after that one. He looked dejected...I'm wincing just thinking about it.
Cheney's very quick and smart when he's not telling people to go fuck themselves. I hope Edwards can spar with him on Tuesday.
So I caught The Daily Show's rerun of their live (!) debate coverage. Just about died laughing at Giuliani trying to spin Bush's Waterloo into some kind of great victory.
Finally the country sees for themselves that the Chimperor has no clothes.
Consider who Edwards has had to go up against in his career. Little cutting one liners will probably be a breeze. Fun part would be after Cheney debates Edwards, Cheney is indicted.
Just about died laughing at Giuliani trying to spin Bush's Waterloo into some kind of great victory.
Did you see Giuliani's eyes physically dislocate out of their sockets when he got excited?
hey all, I just got my electionprotection.org assignment, and I'm off to poll observing in...Phoenix! Anyone else volunteering for EP there?
I'll be compiling election-related data on Arizona over the next few weeks, so any resources will be greatly appreciated.
(BTW, EP is 100% nonpartisan, and is all about raising voter empowerment, combatting intimidation techniques.)
I've been wondering about his eyes? Contacts or a medical problem?
re giuliani--yeah, that was really really weird, it was like whenever he started to respond to a question.
What's up Tucker?
Anyone see Tucker Carlson on his PBS show tonite? I usually don't watch him because he needlessly infuriates me on Friday nite each time I try. But tonite I wanted to see how he'd spin that amazing display of incompentence last nite. The show was eerily balanced-seeming and everyone was talking up Kerry's points - it seemed. The freeper machine is so manipulative one gets overly suspicious, but I watched it with 2 other folks and they were of the same opinion: it didn't sound like Bushspin irreality...
Define Christian, because they will if you do not.
Golden Rule, love your enemy, turn the other cheek, blessed are the peacemakers, let him who is without sin cast the first stone, when you give a feast invite the poor, he that is least among you, stuff like that.
You know, stuff that's in the New Testament. These biblethumpers only seem interested in Leviticus.
seattlebird, you a lawyer?
Penn Jillette w/Aaron Brown
Last nite Aaron McGruder and tonite Penn Jillette, talking politics.
I just tuned in to the end of Penn. Any see the full segment?
not a lawyer, just an observer
seattlebird, I couldn't get off work, but my mom and sister are representing the family in Las Cruces, NM, doing get out the vote stuff ...
seattlebird, I'm doing Election Protection in Phoenix (I live in Mesa). I went to a live training last week.
I still can't believe this (EP) is something that has to be done. *boggle* No more Floridas!
great! Yeah, i'll be going a few days early to do gotv, and then on election day poll observing.
I was surprised--I expected PA or OH. I don't thing AZ is expected to be a battleground state this year, but apparently voter intimidation advocates plan for the long term.
Deana Holmes, seattlebird,
Are Az counties using electronic machines? And, more importantly, is the state using the central tabulator? If so, how do you plan to monitor?
Fox faked metrosexual quotes on CNN
Aaron Brown just did a footnote minute or two about it. Is anyone else who matters reporting this?
Deana--wonderful! (BTW, my real name is Sella Rush)
Am I right to assume I should brush up on my spanish???
(Also, if you've got any recommendations re hotels, it would be greatly appreciated!)
I didn't know EP was moving observers in from other states. I am in a bit of a quandary as I volunteered with them, but haven't done my training yet. Meanwhile, MoveOnPAC called & want me to do voter mobilization in my neighborhood. I think I will see if I can do some MoveOn work up front and EP on election day, if they think they will need observers here in Philly.
Don't know if anyone has mentioned this but Bruce has what seems to be a new compilation CD out that I found on the end display at BestBuy...it was 20 bucks and I thought it was the least I could do to show the man some support.
Please go out and buy Bruce's CD!
Has anyone ever heard the original Brinsley Schwartz (sp?) version of "What's So Funny About Peace Love and Understanding?" written by Nick Lowe (who played bass)? It's an ironic send-up of naive hippy-dippyism; only years later did Elvis Costello cover the song without irony and with anger (with Lowe producing).
There are very few songs that started out ironic, then became unironic; the only other example I can think of offhand is the Byrds "So You Want to Be a Rock-n-Roll Star," which they did as a joke, but which Patti Smith covered as a heroic prophet.
hoary--I don't know anything yet.
However, as a non-legal advisor, I at least don't expect to be observing counting processes. What I'll be doing is observing the polling places themselves, looking for problems or illegal practices, such as polls opening late or closing early, running out of ballots, people being denied a chance to vote, etc.
I am real proud of what we all are doing. Give yourselves a pat on the back.
Remember, it's not enough for Kerry to squeak by. He needs to have long coattails and a solid enough win to claim a mandate.
31 days.
We can do it.
There are very few songs that started out ironic, then became unironic
In a slightly different way, "Born in the USA" started off ironic and became an anthem for the kind of Nationalism it was protesting.
And we come full circle.
wt--I bet they could use help in or around Philly. I said I'd go whereever they needed me, but they may have sent me to one close by instead of east coast.
I live in such a lefty neighborhood, no one needs help there.
What will it take to convince these people that this is not a year, or a time, to be dicking around? Americans are patrolling a front line in Afghanistan, where it would be impossible with 10 times the troop strength to protect all potential voters on Oct. 9 from Taliban/al-Qaida murder and sabotage. We are invited to believe that these hard-pressed soldiers of ours take time off to keep Osama Bin Laden in a secret cave, ready to uncork him when they get a call from Karl Rove? For shame.
The difference between wingnuts and progressives? Wingnuts only know the words to the chorus or hook (i.e., BOOORRRRN IN THE USA!) while progressives know all the lyrics, understand the meaning of the song and generally take the wingnut's woman off for a night of sex that turns all the switches and dials to 10.
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You should really look into Diebold Central Tabulators. They're not voting machines, they are totalers: they receive absentee and mail-in ballots, and have all other voter info. entered.
If you're serious about (somewhat) honest elections, you should look into this.
Everyone must read this and pass it around and quote it whenever any idiot claims that we are only looking at the dark side of Iraq, that things are stabler there and that "freedom is on the march":
Despite President Bush's rosy assessments, Iraq remains a disaster. If under Saddam it was a 'potential' threat, under the Americans it has been transformed to 'imminent and active threat,' a foreign policy failure bound to haunt the United States for decades to come.
Iraqis like to call this mess 'the situation.' When asked 'how are thing?' they reply: 'the situation is very bad."
What they mean by situation is this: the Iraqi government doesn't control most Iraqi cities, there are several car bombs going off each day around the country killing and injuring scores of innocent people, the country's roads are becoming impassable and littered by hundreds of landmines and explosive devices aimed to kill American soldiers, there are assassinations, kidnappings and beheadings. The situation, basically, means a raging barbaric guerilla war"
christianity - like any other belief - live your life as you'd like others to live theirs - free from hypocrisy, gluttony, hatred, etc.
Europe: Slavic Language Speaking
er, add
"Europe: English-speaking"
to that. Really. Tony Blair's heart was fine a few years ago. And the whole Carol Coleman thing pissed off the Irish, along with the security idiocies during his overnight stay.
Confirmation
Sorry, the WSJ reporter is Farnaz Fassihi.
She has confirmed that she is indeed the author of the email.
(Thanks to BOPnews
oops. above was me.
Overheard on the subway after the concert:
Blond, pink-faced man: "Man, what the hell was wrong with REM?"
Gray-haired, polo-shirted friend: "Yeah, they have a problem... what are they so political for?"
Yes, there shouldn't be politics at a political rally/concert.
Zeus M. | Email | Homepage | 10.02.04 - 1:36 am |
fuckin' frat boys. almost makes me wish they broke up after "life's rich pageant".
since 1981 r.e.m. has always been a punk rock band.
how much more obvious do you have to get than mike shouting the "at long last, have you no sense of decency?" speech through a megaphone??!!
-- r@d@r
p.s.:
well they're still racin' down at the trestle, but the blood it never burned in their veins...
"Born In The USA" is like the American "Jerusalem": it's sung loudest (at least, during the chorus) by people who absolutely, completely misunderstand it.
I'm sure Blake's grave in Bunhill Fields throws up earth every Last Night of the Proms...
Rick Perlstein, what about proceeding from Carlson's 1995 Time article, in which she quotes Limbaugh as saying that the right intends to wipe out liberals. Now eliminationist rhetoric is everywhere, with the "Democrats are traitors" meme. Ask her to connect dot one and dot two and project to dot three.
p.p.s. -
and for all of you non-springsteen fans out there:
put pepper in my coffee,
i forgot to bark on command...
Off to see Death Cab For Cutie and Pearl Jam this wednesday... looking very much forward to it. Just in time for the NC voter registration deadline, too...
I'm working on a list of people and groups Bush has alienated or otherwise pissed off
I'd say his performance last night pissed off Hughes and Rove.
I got 4 things to say tonight:
Atrios, the Gods love you, hope you enjoyed a well earned night of rockin in the USA
if there's anyone out there who has a spare ticket to one of the Springsteen/Fogerty shows...yeah, I know, fat pluckin' chance, and I know how Bruce hates bootlegs, so I can't even hope for that, so please, if one of you folks gets to one of those shows, would ya just listen real hard and come back and tell us about it?
I'm a staunch REM fan from the glorious Radio Free Europe single on, and while I think they jumped the shark the second Bill Berry left the band, these lyrics are very appropriate:
You're beautiful more beautiful than me
You're honorable more honorable than me
Loyal to the Bank of America
It's a sign of the times
You're sharpening stones, walking on coals
To improve your business acumen.
Sharpening stones, walking on coals,
To improve your business acumen.
Vested interest united ties, landed gentry rationalize
Look who bought the myth, by jingo, buy America
It's a sign of the times
'Let us not assassinate this man further Senator,
you've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir?
At long last, have you left no sense of decency?'
Enemy sighted, enemy met, I'm addressing the realpolitik
You've seen start and you've seen quit
(I'm addressing the table of content)
I always thought of you as quick
Exhuming McCarthy
(Meet me at the book burning)
Exhuming McCarthy
(Meet me at the book burning)
old hat, you can add:
The Irish. well, at least the Irish in the Republic, both English and the Gaelic speakers. I've got nothing but grief from Irish citizens even with my protests that I didn't vote for him, just wait until '04. Sure hope I'm right, or I can never set foot in several pubs in Kerry, Dublin, Donegal and a couple of other counties ever again.
Oh, and Teachers.
and Librarians.
I'm working on a list of people and groups Bush has alienated or otherwise pissed off:
Old Hat
Bruces.
The only thing I have to add to this is that I saw Bruce on The Rising tour and it was a great show.
To anyone going to a different state to do volunteer observation or legal work during election week: Be careful. Use a local car if possible. Obey ALL traffic laws and then some. There is no such thing as a "LA Left" or "Yellow means go faster" to a sheriff who wants to disrupt civil rights work. Don't take anything you wouldn't want John Ashcroft to find in your pockets. If you're driving, make sure it's not going to expire in the time you have planned to be in another state. Have a easy to use calling card, and make sure you left contact info back home with a reliable friend who could deal with getting you bailed out if needed. Update that contact as needed while working. Take a cell phone, borrow one if you don't have one. Be fearless. You are doing a great service to our democracy.
Who is doing coke at Camp David now?
..
"Friends, if you were to interview Margaret Carlson what would you ask her?"
I would want to get the quotes out of her book about how 'attacking Gore was easier' than going after Bush, and ask her when she realized she wasn't interested in the truth, when she lost her sense of responsibility to her readers.
She suggests that the WaPo wealth, and the come-on of rising in the economic scale deteriorated her values. But she thinks it's some kind of achievement, to whore herself.
You will definitely want to review the MC stuff over at Daily Howler.
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Stupid analysis from home, Atrios.
http://www.philly.com/mld/philly...lly/
9806488.htm
From a guy who isn't typically conservative. Just a moron.
and four:
Keep on rockin' in the free world - for the free world... This next month is going to be _so_ strong, I feel it in my old Gaelic bones...
bonus"
saw The Rising tour in Dublin in June of '03. By the time B&EsB got to "Into the Fire", people around me were raising their hands as tears fell down their cheeks.
er I should have said:
'If you're driving, make sure _ your license_ is not going to expire'
adrenaline high finally wearing off I guess
Who is doing coke at Camp David now?
Bandar Bush perhaps....
Damn you old hat! You forgot Poland!
On Scarborough Country tonight Joe cut off the woman from The Nation when she finally answered the question he kept patronizingly asking. I believe her last word was "occupation," the next thing I heard was Joe directing a question to someone else ,saying he "believed they had some airtime." Thank goodness the troops are fighting for Joe's right to cut off mikes!!!!!!!
Snap, crack, Bush-whacked
...and that was in 1992
The ragamuffin gunner is returnin' home, like a hungry runaway.
He walks through town all alone--"He must be from the fort," he hears the high school girls say.
His countryside's burnin' with wolfman fairies dressed in drag for homicide.
The hit-and-run plead sanctuary, 'neath a holy stone they hide.
They're breakin' beams and crosses with a spastic's reelin' perfection.
Nuns run bald through Vatican halls, pregnant, pleadin' immaculate conception.
And everybody's wrecked on Main Street from drinking unholy blood.
Sticker smiles sweet as Gunner breathes deep, his ankles caked in mud.
And I said, "Hey, gunner man, that's qucksand, that's quicksand, that ain't mud."
"Have you thrown your senses to the war, or did you lose them in the flood?"
That pure American brother, dull-eyed and empty-faced,
Races Sundays in Jersey in a Chevy stock super eight.
He rides 'er low on the hip, on the side he's got "Bound for Glory" in red, white and blue flash paint.
He leans on the hood telling racing stories, the kids call him Jimmy the Saint.
Well, that blaze-and-noise boy, he's gunnin' that bitch loaded to blastin' point.
He rides head first into a hurricane and disappears into a point.
And there's nothin' left but some blood where the body fell, that is, nothin' left that you could sell.
Just junk all across the horizon, a real highwayman's farewell.
And I said, "Hey kid, you think that's oil? Man, that ain't oil, that's blood."
I wonder what he was thinking when he hit that storm, or was he just lost in the flood?
Eighth Avenue sailors in satin shirts whisper in the air.
Some storefront incarnation of Maria, she's puttin' on me the stare.
And Bronx's best apostle stands with his hand on his own hardware.
Everything stops, you hear five quick shots, the cops come up for air.
And now the whiz-bang gang from uptown, they're shootin' up the street.
And that cat from the Bronx starts lettin' loose, but he gets blown right off his feet.
And some kid comes blastin' 'round the corner, but a cop puts him right away.
He lays on the street holding his leg, screaming something in Spanish, still breathing when I walked away.
And somebody said, "Hey man, did you see that? His body hit the street with such a beautiful thud."
I wonder what the dude was sayin', or was he just lost in the flood?
Hey man, did you see that, those poor cats are sure messed up.
I wonder what they were gettin' into, or were they just lost in the flood?
*
just looking in on my way between work and the road...
Bruce & REM in Ohio tomorrow.
-Librarian
""Who is doing coke at Camp David now?""
Bush: I'm trying to put a leash on them.
Atrios, Please change your site. I haven't been able to get on for the last couple of days because of some items that choke the browser before it can finish displaying the text of the posts.
One item comes from tux.democrats.org
Another item I think it might be choking on comes from echoditto.com.
I'm still able to read your posts by viewing the source code. But that's all I can do right now.
I hope you read this.
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Old Hat, for your list:
Scientists, including Nobel winners
Former diplomats
Foreign policy advisors
the State Dept
CIA
Nancy Reagan
Patrick Fucking Buchanan, for chrissakes....
many many more
seen REM a couple of times in the mid 80's, but never saw Bruce, so I'm looking forward to that.
apologies to those too young to recognize that was Bruce...oddly, that was my first favorite Bruce song. kinda' song that sticks with you, i guess.
been listening to Nebraska all day, so maybe that explains it? (good thing i ain't drivin'!)
oddly,
Librarian
wow
"I haven't been able to get on for the last couple of days because of some items that choke the browser"
Clear your browser cache, Dumbo.
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Old Hat:
The UN
Massachusetts
Hollywood
Iran
The Red Cross
Doctors Without Borders
Human Rights Watch
Cuba
Women
The Olympics
The European Union
International Criminal Court
someone needs to start the spin that the Bush is an impatient hothead
imagine if Kerry had made those facial expreesions... Rethugs would have spun it in no time?.. remember the shit they did with Dean ... we need to use this
May be Bush has Tourette's Syndrome?
anon--where exactly is the *spin* in that?
I'm not a particularly big fan of either REM or Bruce (flame away)
So, just what do you have against good music?
all right y'all mentioned the boss... and all I's got to say is;
hell just a little touch up and a little paint; you might need something to hold on to, when all the answers they don't amount to much, someone, that you can just talk to, and a little of that human touch, just a little of that human touch... (solo)sittn here in a world without pity,
reference last night:, ; don't know the correct hyphen..
f*^k that was great! Bushy looked insanely silly! and his supporters only looked more silly championing his supposed victory. Ha Ha!!! We've got him right we're we want him! Man, he looks, he looks, I mean no disrespect, but god almighty he just looks plain stupid!
Kerry performed well last night, c'mon right-wingers, admit it, and hope your candidate performs better the next time around. In fact, you may better serve yourselves acknowleding your defeats, your faults, your misgivings... frankly, I believe us American folks just want to know the truth, talk the truth, and prevent war.
I never want to feel....
I never want to know war...
Hulk ticked off that no one at Atrios mention Hulk.
Hulk knows that Hulk no like Banner. Hulk hate Banner.
But Hulk still recovering from bad press from last year. Hulk take all help Hulk can get. Even puny Banner.
Hulk on comeback. Hulk making progress. Hulk is strongest commenter there is.
HULK SMASH!
I'm Batman.
How about Turkey? They are ready to invade Iraq to fight the Kurds because of this mess.
Old Hat --
Don't forget the following V.I.P. for your list:
God
is Kevin Drum's site down?
These “Faux quotes” must be recognized and dealt with as part of a larger GOP strategy to “faggotize” John Kerry. Any use of the quotes without being counteracted by highlighting Kerry’s alpha male performance in the debates is just promoting this Republican meme into political discourse. We saw it first with Drudge's $200 haircut stories, and as Bush precedes to get his ass kicked in the upcoming debates, an increasingly desperate GOP will only escalate the Kerry is a bit faggy meme. Besides, we all know Fox is biased, repeating it ad infinitum is like proving 2+2=4. The debatable tactical gain of again proving Fox unfair is hardly worth the strategic disaster of polluting the airways with malicious Republican propaganda.
I will leave it to others to decide whether Josh Marshall is just a naïve moderate stooge or an undercover GOP operator. Kenneth Pollack, the CBS memos, and now the Faux quotes; to me he is too often pushing things the GOP way. Whatever the case, one thing is sure, he took obscure quotes that only the Fox website reading, Bush loving, Neanderthals would have seen, and he put these destructive quotes into the mainstream where they will now influence moderate voters. We are seeing here a slight twist on the case of the fundamentalist preacher who protests a film and ends up helping to promote it, increasing ticket sales with his hysterical condemnations of smut. Marshall didn’t help matters either by needing to call the Kerry campaign to see if the quotes were real, adding to the meme that Kerry is a little limp in the wrist.
Two can play this game; if the ReThugs want to get dirty so can we. I’d say George W. Bush loolked more like Barbara W Bush at the debate. Kerry was clearly the dominant male in the room, even W's wife was drawn by Kerry’s animal magnetic attraction as documented by the picture of Laura Bush and Theresa Heinz Kerry, in their matching white outfits, struggling to stand closest to Kerry. Bush’s grimaces and sighs during the debate can certainly be called less than manly, as is his tendency to tire easily. I mean, come on now, this guy is in his mid-fifties but has the stamina of an eighty-year-old woman. He also sure does seem to come unglued at the slightest criticism, what’s up with that? Weak, fragile, emotionally delicate are all adjectives that fit Bush to a T.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
Liberals need to do a much better job at putting to rest the right-wing mantra that it's not ok to criticize the war because it lowers the morale of the troops. That's simply BS
On the Mclaughlin Group last night, Lawrence McDonnell and John M. tried to smack down both Pat Buchanan and Tony Blimply when they tried to imply, as Bush does constantly, that people who dare to critcize the war are hurting our troops and giving aid and comfort to the enemy. It's simply garbage.
Listen, my husband is a veteran from the first gulf war and I posed this question to him:
Would you rather be in Iraq and hear reports from home that your country is in fantasy land saying that Iraq is going well, they are making progress, while you are getting your ass shot at 20 times a day?
Or would you rather there be a debate in your country about how to do a better job and get you the hell home quicker?
He said, of course the latter.
Now, put yourself in a soilder's boots, you are in Iraq, it's a fucking mess, chaos surrounds you and the news you hear from home is how great things are there. Wouldn't that make you feel hopeless and alone? Wouldn't you wonder what Americans are smoking and why they don't know the true cost of this war? Wouldn't you be pissed that no one, no one was questioning the debacle, no one was even discussing how to fix the mess, and how best to proceed to hopefully prevent you from getting killed or maimed? Wouldn't you feel like a rat at an experimental lab? Wouldn't you feel like a pawn in a political game knowing that nothing will change in Iraq UNTIL after an election and that an election outcome is more important than your life?
IT IS NOT UNPATRIOTIC TO QUESTION OR CRITICIZE A QUAGMIRE! But what is unpatriotic is to pretend that everything is roses while your soldiers die for a mistake.
Excellent point, Erika.
The wing-nuts on my blog blame John Kerry et al for losing the Vietnam War and causing 58,000 American lives to be lost in vain in Vietnam. (No mention of the 2 million Southeast Asians killed there, however.)
I've been trying to come up with a simple, two column list of WHAT WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT and WHAT WE SHOULDN'T
Suggestions?
And I have to say, if Kerry takes any of Maher's blitherings to heart as strategy, he is doomed.
So the new spin is that 1)kerry was lying and flip-flopping so much that bush was flabergasted, therfore the perplexed look, 2)Bush was so tired from helping people with the hurricane, while kerry had time to get a manicure and a tan, and 3) This shows Bush is a regular guys, as opposed to the polished kerry who has been practicing all his life for this.
And it's all bollocks. Too stupid even for Americans.
And it's all bollocks. Too stupid even for Americans.
I mean, what's the big fucking deal?
So I smirk, and I squirm, and I squeal.
What makes Kerry so great?
He's never tasted jailbait,
And he has no war widows to feel.
SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT:
bush thinks americans are simpletons so he pretends the affairs of the U.S. and the world are simple and therefore offers only simple solutions. we know better - americans are smart enough to know the world is big and complicated. they're smart enough to know applying simple solutions, "HARD WORK" that it is, will not solve complicated problems. perhaps we need a president who is willing to work EVEN HARDER.
too long for the list, huh?
FWIW, i'm a huge fan of bright eyes. here's a great quote from one of the best songs on the 2002 album LIFTED, or, The Story Is In The Soil, Keep Your Ear To The Ground, a song titled "LET'S NOT SHIT OURSELVES (TO LOVE AND BE LOVED)":
My teachers, they built the retaining wall memory, all those multiple choices I answered so quickly. And got my grades back and forgot, just as easily, but at least I got an A. So I don't have them to blame. I should stop pointing fingers: reserve my judgement for all those public action figures, the cowboy president. So loud behind the bullhorn, so proud they can't admit when they have made a mistake.
While poison ink spews from a speechwriter's pen, he knows that he don't have to say it, so it don't bother him. 'Honesty' 'Accuracy' are really just 'Popular Opinion'. And the approval rating is high, so someone is going to die. ABC, NBC, CBS: Bullshit. They give us fact or fiction? I guess an even split. And each new act of war is tonight's entertainment. We are still the pawns in their game. As they take eye for an eye, until no one can see, and we must stumble blindly forward, repeating history. Well I guess that we all fit into your slogan on that fast food marquee: Red-blooded, White-skinned, oh, and the Blues. I got the Blues! I got the Blues! That's me! That's me!
conor oberst is one of the best songwriters of this generation. he wrote that in 2002, well before the war in iraq. did i mention he's from omaha, nebraska?
THE NEW BREAKING NEWS FROM CNN:
RNC Headquaters broken into. Three laptops with strategy missing. Repubs are blaming dems. Could they be any more pathetic?
You guys mind if I become the 1,000,000th person to rip Bobo Brooks a new one?
another excerpt from kitty kelley's THE FAMILY
on david dreier & doro bush, page 492
Barbara Bush was more determined than ever to see her daughter re-marry. She believed that only through mrriage could Doro and her children find their safest haven. To that end Barbara encouraged Doro to date.
"We spent a weekend up at Camp David with the Bushes...They had two dogs up there at the time and the divorced daughter," recalled one congressional wife. "Barbara told me she was concerned because Doro had dated Representative David Dreier for a year and he never touched her...'Never laid a hand on her,' said Barbara...I think Doro had better luck when she started dating a Democrat."
OT:
I have been having a heck of a time actually opening atrios up for the last several days. It is really hit and miss. Anybody else having this prob?
Car 54 Where Are You?
Oo! Oo! Oo! Oo! Oo!
Sorry for "off topic," but is anyone else having periodic trouble the past few days loading page? I seem to hang-up waiting for "echoditto." 
Sorry for "off topic," but is anyone else having periodic trouble the past few days loading page? I seem to hang-up waiting for "echoditto."
"Friends, if you were to interview Margaret Carlson what would you ask her?"
how come your brother got all the brains in the family?
IT IS NOT UNPATRIOTIC TO QUESTION OR CRITICIZE A QUAGMIRE! But what is unpatriotic is to pretend that everything is roses while your soldiers die for a mistake.
second that, especially when the one accusing dissenters as undermining troop morale is a lying war criminal, and a coward who refused to serve his country when asked. and is lying about that too. bastards!
RNC Headquaters broken into. Three laptops with strategy missing. Repubs are blaming dems. Could they be any more pathetic?
Well, Karl can't fake the 'debate prep book' as in 2000, because we know that it's blank this time round.
people, i don't want anyone to stop coming here but make sure you have good internet security. lot of mean, dumb ass trolls in here. you don't see 'em, but they are here.
These bastards stole their power from the victims of the us v. them years,
Wrecking all things virtuous and true.
The undermining social democratic downhill slide into abysmal
Lost lamb off the precipice into the trickle down runoff pool.
They hypnotised the summer, nineteen seventy-nine.
Marched into the capital brooding duplicitous, wicked and able, media-ready,
Heartless, and labeled. super u.s. citizen, super achiever,
Mega ultra power dosing. relax.
Defense, defense, defense, defense. yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. ignoreland. yeah, yeah, yeah. ignoreland.
The information nation took their clues from all the sound-bite gluttons.
Nineteen eighty, eighty-four, eighty-eight, ninety-two too, too.
How to be what you can be, jump jam junking your energies.
How to walk in dignity with throw-up on your shoes
They amplified the autumn, nineteen seventy-nine.
Calculate the capital, up the republic my skinny ass.
T.v. tells a million lies. the paper's terrified to report
Anything that isn't handed on a presidential spoon,
I'm just profoundly frustrated by all this. so, fuck you, man. (fuck 'm)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. ignoreland. yeah, yeah, yeah. ignoreland.
If they weren't there we would have created them. maybe, it's true,
But I'm resentful all the same. someone's got to take the blame.
I know that this is vitriol. no solution, spleen-venting,
But I feel better having screamed. don't you?
They desecrated winter, nineteen seventy-nine.
Capital collateral. brooding duplicitous, wicked and able, media-ready,
Heartless, and labeled. super u.s. citizen, super achiever,
Mega ultra power dosing. relax.
Defense, defense, defense, defense. yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. ignoreland. yeah, yeah, yeah. ignoreland.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. ignoreland. yeah, yeah, yeah.
How about Turkey? They are ready to invade Iraq to fight the Kurds because of this mess
that's how i thought it would start, oh well, they'll get around to it. how could we have such a clueless administration. oh, that's right they don't give a shit.
it was a mistake, a really big mistake of 'collasal proportions'.
ugh ...
REM - ignoreland lyrics...
perhaps we need a president who is willing to work EVEN HARDER.
perhaps we need a president for whom minimal competence at the job is not such a struggle.
REM - ignoreland lyrics...
and to think i hate 'em, but i like those lyrics. spot on.
Has anyone ever heard the original Brinsley Schwartz (sp?) version of "What's So Funny About Peace Love and Understanding?"
That's "Schwarz" and yes, I have...
RNC Headquarters broken into
Hoooo!
Could the (underpaid, overworked, no-union-for-you) janitor have forgotten to lock the door?
dusty,
I can't remember what post it is, it's been in the last 2 or 3 days but someone else encountered that problem, some computer geek (sorry) and he told people what to do about it. He also said he wanted a copy of the file or program or something. Charley is so right: Get yourself some internet security. Norton costs about 60 bucks or so but it's worth it for your peace of mind.
Go over to Patriotboy. That guy is too much - give yourself a bellylaugh today.
Interesting how the dynamic has shifted! Bruce & Co. were expected to give Kerry a push. Turns out Kerry has his own motor purring along just fine and suddenly the concerts, though no less pleasurable, are much less relevant politically.
This top level journalist's article is now on google: "Bush won the Debate". Maybe we should remind her that she's the only person in the world to believe that.
Erica, thanks for the info; I agree that lots of malicious things are being attempted by "brow-shirt" trolls. I do in fact have Norton, (all current/updated) home as well as office. Have same problem office (university) server as with home ISP.
n69n -- ouch! but funny.
This top level journalist...
Saunders is a well-known bought-and-paid-for hack of the highest order.
For those of you with problems loading the site, delete your temporary internet files and clear out your cookies.
Start -> Controlpanel -> Internet and network connections ->Internet Options ->Temporary Internet Files
dusty,
I can't remember what post it is, it's been in the last 2 or 3 days but someone else encountered that problem, some computer geek (sorry) and he told people what to do about it. He also said he wanted a copy of the file or program or something. Charley is so right: Get yourself some internet security. Norton costs about 60 bucks or so but it's worth it for your peace of mind.
Let's state the obvious: Kerry was Born to Run.
Atrios isn't a fan- let's hope Alterman doesn't hear about this!
Some of the hanging at those points is simply due to high traffic, tho
Sorry for double post, eshtupid refresh button.
Consider me a big Springsteen fan, and fan (though to a lesser extent) of REM.
people, i don't want anyone to stop coming here but make sure you have good internet security. lot of mean, dumb ass trolls in here. you don't see 'em, but they are here.
"Good internet security", by which I assume you mean some sort of firewall, will protect you from people who have already targeted you and are trying to break into, disable, or compromise your machine.
The only way you can, by visiting Atrios' comment board, make yourself vulnerable to anyone other than Atrios and Haloscan is to inadvertently (or intentionally) release information about yourself, including an email address and a hyperlink, in your comments.
The email address and home page link may appear to be invisible, but they are not. Haloscan does not, as some services do, preserve your anonymity and serve as a middleman for email; it merely serves up your email address as part of the message so that the recipient can email you if s/he wants to.
The address is obfuscated to make it slightly more difficult for spambots to harvest, but it's readily available to anyone who wants it and knows how to get it. (The easiest way is to click on the Email link, which opens a new message and decodes the obfuscated address, which you can then kill.)
Reasonable caution with your personal information is warranted, but paranoia about 3v1L h@cK3Rz is not.
THE NEW BREAKING NEWS FROM CNN:
RNC Headquaters broken into. Three laptops with strategy missing. Repubs are blaming dems. Could they be any more pathetic?
Live Free or Die - 8:14 am
What irony. Running on a platform of "National Security" and can't keep their own offices, computers secure.
i think atrios posted the other day that some one was messing with his site. i don't know.
i hate politics, i'm only voting because bush is a war criminal, much is always made of the two parties being the same, but they aren't. democrats have their issues but repugs are in general mean, vicious, my way or the hi way types. they march in lockstep, and that has been the key to their success. look at this campaign. kerry talks of hope and american values. bush and co. pretty much just deride kerry with usually meaningless and petty ridicule. when they do have a good point against him, they exagerate, manipulate, and down right turn it into a lie.
well, i'm voting, because because like i said bush is a war criminal. also, because i believe terrorists really do seek to do grave damage to this country. i don't think play'n politics with terrorist threat is an effective strategy to prevent them from attacking again.
if we're successful and kerry gets in, there are going to be a lot of hearings. i've always enjoyed the hearings.
Speak Truth to Power.
We're going to the Bruce show tonight in Cleveburg. Little or no mention of John Fogerty in the early reviews. Hmmm. Curious. I'm more interested in some of his treatments as I am of the songs by the Boss and/or Stipe.
Regardless, I'm sure it will be a rousing good time.
I am rewatching the debate and I noticed 2 new things; 1) Bush keeps breaking the rules, cheating as often as he can and, 2) He is smirking even when Jim Leher is asking questions.
Republicans just aren't good at war. Can you name one war they have won...?
IRAQ is still ongoing.. While the Democrats have Wilson WWI, FDR WWII, Truman Korea, Clinton Kosovo, Truman dropped the bomb first yet held back in Korea. Johnsons was really a Republican from Texas and was in the Vietnam war holding the line. Lincoln was also previously a Whig and is arguably a Democrat as the support of abolishment of slavery and the Civil War.
Why is anyone voting for Republicans unless you are part of the club cashing in?
Even Clinton brought the free market WTO, NAFTA as it is cept the pharmas and oil held back by Repubicans. CNN/Money remported a study that the markets gain on average 9% more duing D presidencies and are more steady, which investors like.
Environmentally we protect our world and FDR implemented programs that helped make us one of the best countries with the "New Deal". He also took us from 16th strongest military to the #1 military in the world.
Democrats brought civil rights and fnished the job of the Consitution and Bill of Rights. They make our world safer with groups like consumer groups that have put seatbelts in our cars, safety checks and accountablilty for those with power.
Ask yourself, what would Jesus be a Democrat or a Republican?
Theodoric of York,
well i know nothing of computers, but that virus alert goes off a lot when i check in here. and more than once i have had my browser(?) hijacked.
if i had you knowledge base i might feel more comfortable, but i agree i might be a little paranoid. on the other hand, as HST has noted, there is no such thing as paranoia in the 21st century. it's far worse than you could ever speculate.
This the first thing I saw in the letters to the editor in the Dallas Morning News:
http://tinyurl.com/3m3lb
Re: "Great Debate – Bush wins by not losing," Friday Editorial.
"Bush wins by not losing?" Is this what America wants or needs: a pass/fail presidency?
John Kerry was specific and concrete with facts and figures, to which George Bush's only answer was: "Well, it's hard work." Mr. Kerry made it clear that he's a straight-talking man concerned with our security. He made it clear that he understands the implications of strategic foreign policy in ways that George Bush does not now and never will.
And the best The Dallas Morning News can do is surrender to the soft bigotry of lowered expectations. The president won the debate by not losing? I certainly don't feel safe having a president whose only success is avoiding utter failure.
Tena Hollingsworth, Dallas"
Yeah, Tena!
Internet security and trolls: anyone making sarcastic comments about Bush-Cheney had better have a good fire wall. I learned the hard way. Not just here but anywhere on the net.
Tena,
You go girl! Great letter!
Why is anyone voting for Republicans unless you are part of the club cashing in?
because they are ignorant, racist, don't care and are truly not actualized persons...
I cannot believe in the 21st century that ignorance is accepted and that few understand Maslowe's pyramid!!!
The Repukes gathered outside the pub:
There might be women to kick and to club.
They blocked all the doors,
As they squeezed at their pores.
But they left for the monthly hog scrub.
You think that after all the breakins over the last 50 years that they might cough up a few extra dollars to have a guard at night. Just maybe huh? I mean a museum is guarded day and night.
good firewall?
how about running openBSD or any of the other UNIXes?
"I run UNIX because I can!"
When I am unable to connect to a particular thread, I get what appears to be a Blogger error page, which I have up to this point assumed to be authentic.
I admit that I have not looked at the RSS to see whether that is actually the case. It would be theoretically possible to publish a spoof RSS feed that could redirect threads to some hostile server harvesting information on Eschaton readers; so it might pay to make sure your RSS feed is authentic.
Even if somebody reaps my IP number, though, I don't trust software firewalls (and I recommend that you don't either); all of my machines here are behind a Linksys router. If you want to crack them, you need to be out in the woods within fifty feet or so of the house, in which case I wish you the best of luck with my Republican neighbors and their firearms.
I still think it's more likely database overload at Haloscan than malicious activity.
Tena iz teh bomb
I mean a museum is guarded day and night.
Not that it does them any good.
THE NEW BREAKING NEWS FROM CNN:
RNC Headquaters broken into.
jeez, is karl recycling old tricks... bushco must be really gettin nervous.
John Mellencamp and Babyface in Kalamazoo Sunday night. Yay!
Where are the reviews of that show? I flew in from LA for it and it was worth it: REM and Springsteen. A-mazing.
Bruce in top form, REM one of the great bands (could have done a few hits)... and Sprinsteen laying out in about a minute exactly why everyone should vote for Kerry.
"My name is Michael Stipe and I approve this concert" Hilarious.
Highlight of the show? Enormo-Patti Smith fan Michael Stipe and Bruce singing "Because the Night"... what can I say? That ALONE was worth the price of admission.
the first Church of Rock & Roll and I am one of its parishoners...
BRUUUUUCE!!!
Pardon me for being off-topic here, but I haven't seen anyone mention the latest ballot mess in Ohio.See this article.Thousands of absentee ballots are being mailed with Ralph Nader's name still on, even though he has been officially ruled off ALL ballots in Ohio.I'm not sure what can be done, but in a close election, this means dozens of NULL AND VOID votes will go to Nader, that would otherwise very probably go to Kerry!!!
Go fix this Repub poll at;
http://www.kerryoniraq.com
Right now it's running:
Fully Befuddled 64%
Less Confused 8%
More Confused 28%
Let's CONFUSE the Repugs by freeping their poll!
the president's charges won't stick
'cause senator kerry's too slick
he ignored all the hacks
and stuck to the facts
while chimpy just played with his dick
So who are you a fan of, huh, huh?
"john kerry has not made a strong enough case for..."
those questions from undecideds, etc. have been in the airwaves for months...
"kerry can't seem to connect with voters..."
I GOT IT!
kerry can't seem to connect with the multitudes of idiots who call themselves americans!
I'm sorry - if you cannot read a basic list of talking points, and hear one or 2 speeches and NOT make up your mind - in this bland and boring campaign - you need a brain transplant!
if you listen to the liar in chief say things are going well in iraq - right after a news program showing dead and wounded EVERY DAY...I want you out of my country - you are shit and I do not want to speak with you!!!
"The president won the debate by not losing? I certainly don't feel safe having a president whose only success is avoiding utter failure.
Tena Hollingsworth, Dallas"
So good, it had to be repeated.
Thousands of absentee ballots are being mailed with Ralph Nader's name still on
anybody who's enough of a dumbass to vote for Nader can write him in.
Ken Blackwell's feet have been held to the fire, and this is a good thing. It sounds though like we need to watch and make sure that Hamilton County follows through on distributing new ballots.
>Three laptops with strategy missing
Uh, if they were laptops, why would anyone leave them at "work?"
what did you old timers think of bright eyes
seattlebird, Deanna Holmes -
I still am at a loss to understand why EP imagines that poll watching to combat voter intimidation is valuable within Arizona. As a state, we are receiving attention from the foreign election observers - because of the statewide public funding of elections and because of the Clean Elections process which has been ongoing here for some years. Not for vote fraud however. We are using OCR machines and those machines, as you know, retain the paper ballot.
Further, from the EP website, they seem to have decided that both Phoenix and Tucson - which contain roughly 80% of the statewide vote - need to be monitored. But, since EP seems to be sending out monitors according to that same list being used by the foreign election observers ("The election monitors, invited by the San Francisco activist group "Global Exchange," will be deployed in five states watching for evidence of "disenfranchisement."
The five states include Florida, Ohio, Arizona, Missouri and Georgia, according to Global Exchange. Florida was selected due to the controversy that erupted there in the 2000 elections; Georgia because it is one of only two states where voters will use only touch-screen voting machines. Arizona was picked because elections there are publicly financed, while Missouri was the scene of widespread reports of Republican efforts to suppress the black vote in 2000. Ohio was also of interest because it is expected to be one of the most hotly contested battleground states in this year's election. World Net Daily 20 Sept 04), and not bothering with say, California or Texas or South Dakota where there is strong and recent vote suppression, this concentration on Arizona just baffles me.
I mean, welcome to Arizona and all that, but....?
Republicans just aren't good at war. Can you name one war they have won...?
Although it is subject to debate by some, Abraham Lincoln managed to "win" the Civil War -- if anybody really ever wins a civil war.
THE NEW BREAKING NEWS FROM CNN:
RNC Headquaters broken into.
link?
novak slipped and broke his hip!
oldhat:
please add oldwhitelady and her cats to your list.
Someone sent me an email with "support our troops" supposedly from some company in Iraq telling us to be glad for what we have and to be thankful we are not over in Iraq fighting for our freedoms the way our troops are. It also has pictures embedded of what the troops are going through.
I emailed the sender back a little note stating he didn't have to send me anymore emails like that. I was not the one that sent them over there. I marched against the war and isn't it funny how millions of marchers across the world were ignored.
Am I bitter, or what?
Arizona was picked because elections there are publicly financed
Aren't all elections publicly financed? Also, it sounds like the Intl observers will have a token presence. EP will have thousands of monitors.
I was at the show last night with my 18 yr old daughter, I want to make sure my kids see a Bruce show with me before I go - It was a GREAT one.
CNN just reported it as rock's FORMER biggest starts getting together... How can a guy who can sell out a 70,000 seat stadium for a week be a FORMER biggest star ? Aaaarrrgghhhhh
How can a guy who can sell out a 70,000 seat stadium for a week be a FORMER biggest star ?
tell it to the Rolling Stones.
novak slipped and broke his hip!
good thing he's a worm.
L.A. Weekly has learned that CBS, NBC and ABC all refused Fahrenheit 9/11 DVD advertising during any of the networks’ news programming. Executives at Sony Pictures, the distributor of the movie for the home-entertainment market, were stunned. And even more shocked when the three networks explained why.
“They said explicitly they were reluctant because of the closeness of the release to the election. All three networks said no,” one Sony insider explains. “It was certainly a judgment that Sony disagrees with and is in the process of protesting.”
Republicans just aren't good at war. Can you name one war they have won...?
IRAQ is still ongoing.. While the Democrats have Wilson WWI, FDR WWII, Truman Korea, Clinton Kosovo, Truman dropped the bomb first yet held back in Korea. Johnsons was really a Republican from Texas and was in the Vietnam war holding the line. Lincoln was also previously a Whig and is arguably a Democrat as the support of abolishment of slavery and the Civil War.
Why is anyone voting for Republicans unless you are part of the club cashing in?
Even Clinton brought the free market WTO, NAFTA as it is cept the pharmas and oil held back by Repubicans. CNN/Money remported a study that the markets gain on average 9% more duing D presidencies and are more steady, which investors like.
Environmentally we protect our world and FDR implemented programs that helped make us one of the best countries with the "New Deal". He also took us from 16th strongest military to the #1 military in the world.
Democrats brought civil rights and fnished the job of the Consitution and Bill of Rights. They make our world safer with groups like consumer groups that have put seatbelts in our cars, safety checks and accountablilty for those with power.
Ask yourself, what would Jesus be a Democrat or a Republican?
Early Friday morning, the day after the first presidential debate in Coral Gables, Fla., Novak slipped in in his Miami hotel room shower and broke his hip, a source told reporters.
The source said Novak will require a partial hip replacement, but had no estimate of how long that will keep him off the campaign trail, or at least trailing far behind it.
I'm sure everyone is with in wishing Mr. Novak a speedy recovery so he can quickly return to his job defending the noble profession of journalism.
I hope your bedpan is ice cold you rat bastard.....
I've been to 2 Springsteen concerts and left both long before they were done. His songs, lumped together, don't have a lot of variety and I've never bought into his stage personna.
REM and Michael Stipe are even worse re: the sameness of their songs: there isn't a lot of tune in a song, a single phrase over and over and over. And Stipe's voice sounds like a 1920s school marm.
Karin - that's kind of my point tho. AZ used to fix votes quite regularly - William Rehnquist was kind of the poster boy. But we haven't done in years - and no, all elections are not publicly financed in the same way as those in AZ are - it's a singular process that is being attacked by the right wing hardliners. But there is simply no reason I can figure out as to why EP would think sending in observers to prevent something that happens so seldom is a swell idea. And not, say to South Dakota where the Native American population was well and truly targetted, or into South Texas where there are serious problems. Still. What may be involved is the presence of a ballot initiative concerning illegals voting - but again, that's not illegal voting, but undocumented residents....
So, since I cannot get an answer out of EP about this, I'm curious as to whether anybody has an explanation as to why the resources would be directed to AZ? Other than for the nice weather we're having.
tell it to the Rolling Stones.
The stones have been stagnant (and perhaps pickled) since the middle 80's.
Bruce has stayed relevant - both politically and socially. All 3 of my kids (14-22 yrs old) loved The Rising.
Anybody know where to send the Rot In Hell cards?
GWPDA--I live here, in Mesa.
Apparently there have been problems in the past, particularly in heavily Hispanic precincts, with election officials turning people away for not having (for example) a picture ID when one is not required. (At least right now, I think that changes if the PAN initiative passes 
.) The precincts EP are going to cover have a history of voter intimidation. I was a bit disappointed that EP wasn't going to be working in areas like West Mesa, which is now so Spanish-speaking that the latest Target to be built has completely bilingual signage. *But* it's Mesa, and the political power base here is overwhelmingly white, Republican and conservative. However, EP will have a toll-free number, a bunch of attorneys, and people can call in to report problems in those areas.
Hispanic voter intimidation goes back a long ways. Remember, William Rehnquist was involved in voter intimidation in South Phoenix in the early 1960s. (To our shame, this man is the chief justice of the Supreme Court, instead of toiling in obscurity somewhere.) There's so much prejudice in some Anglo circles towards Hispanic participation in the electoral process (hell, what am I saying, *just living here* to wit, the PAN initiative), the use of Spanish-language ballots and so on that I think there is a need for observers.
Dionne in today's WaPo:
Bush fares very badly when he is forcefully challenged. It makes you worry about his strength in circumstances he does not completely control. Since Sept. 11, 2001, the president has received a remarkably free ride. He rarely faces the media. He speaks only to partisan crowds; critics risk arrest if they show up. There is little evidence that Bush is challenged by his staff or his Cabinet. He is most comfortable when he sticks to talking points.
But suddenly, when Bush was confronted for 90 minutes by an opponent willing to go straight at him, he fumbled, he hesitated and he scowled. The Bush Scowl is destined take its place with the Gore Sigh and the Dean Scream.
The Bush forces will no doubt try to find some way to spin this debate into a Bush victory. I could be wrong but, honestly, I think that may be beyond the talents of even Karl Rove. That's why Democrats, finally, are smiling.
I think in a year or two when people talk about this debate, what they'll say is that, if you'd turned the sound off, or if you didn't know who was the president, you'd have picked Kerry as the president. He looked more presidential.
We've still got the Sunday talk shows, but I agree with whoever it was yesterday who said that the spin cycle is shorter today than it was in 2000 and Kerry has won this debate and the debate spin cycle.
I'm not quite as sanguine, BTW, about the VP debate as others are. Cross examining a witness is a different skill from debating an opponent and Cheny is evil, but not stupid. Gwen is not, IMHO, as fair and nonpartisan as Jim Lehrer was. Edwards needs to come off as serious and mature, willing to use force if necessary.
I was perusing Google news and saw the title, "Bush wins debate with Kerry," from the San Francisco Chronicle at the top of the page.
I'd like to know how Google ranks it's articles.
I've been to 2 Springsteen concerts and left both long before they were done. His songs, lumped together, don't have a lot of variety and I've never bought into his stage personna
To each his own, I suppose.
I consider Bruce to be the Dylan of my generation. No one else has (except maybe Bono)addressed the issues of life (in my timeframe anyway) as clearly.
As far as the stage show - Wow - next time you leave early can I have your seat ? I've been to the Center maybe twenty time for concerts and it has NEVER rocked like it did last night. Even in the Bruce shows a few years ago. And Bruce doesn't really have a stage persona. I've been paying to see him since about 74 and thats just Bruce.
>The stones have been stagnant (and perhaps pickled) since the middle 80's.<
If Bruce is still relevant in 2020 then we can discuss this.
I'd like to sample some of the drugs you are on. Perhaps we could take the entire collection of Rolling Stone albums over 40+ years and compare it to the "Boss".
I'm sure everyone is with in wishing Mr. Novak a speedy recovery so he can quickly return to his job defending the noble profession of journalism.
I wouldn't wish a broken hip on anyone, but I will say that I certainly hope he will take his time and recuperate fully before showing up on the tv or at speaking engagements.
Unfortunately, he can probably write columns on a laptop in his bed.
The stones have been stagnant (and perhaps pickled) since the middle 80's.
Whatever you personally think of them, they're still as good at filling stadiums as Springsteen ever was.
Sky News reports today that Charlie Watts has recovered from throat cancer, and that the Stones will be touring again soon.
Jagger is quoted as saying that he and Richards are working on songs for a new album.
Lehrer and Ifill have Republican bias
Lehrer admitted he was too stoopid to question Bush in the run up to the war. He should have resigned. Ifill --thinks she is helping black women by supporting Condiliar's boss.
Democrats need to view all mainstream media as enemies and treat them accordingly. We should not act as if we have Stockholm syndrome and be greatful for small favors The media has done a terrible job and should be treated accordingly.
Lehrer is a moron who doesn't even vote. And Ifill thinks she can use the facade of PBS to appear above the fray. Load of Crap
I think Edwards will call Cheney on his lies. Don't underestimate Edwards, especially when seated next to one of the most evil looking people around. Cheney does not look like a nice person, I don't care how anyone tries to spin it. And Edwards has that folksy thing down pat. People love that (witness Dubya, although his is phony). All Edwards has to keep saying is Haliburton, Haliburton, Enron, Haliburton, Enron, ..and he wins. Cheney can't spin that stuff no matter how hard he tries.
excellent line from ej dionne's column this morning:
"At times, he looked like he was ransacking his mind for stray facts."
GWPDA, I was curious too, so I went and Googled Arizona election fraud, and found this.
Apparently Repugs think that advising people of their rights is a form of voter fraud.
Deana, I am volunteering with EP too, perhaps the reason they are not in Mesa is a shortage of Spanish speaking monitors. I know they've been begging for more Spanish speakers and lawyers.
Of all the excuses given for Bush's terrible, but honest, debate performance, it seems that the "consoling hurricane victims" excuse is going to be a major crutch for BC 04 spinners. Here are three little words to take that spin and flush it down where it belongs: "biking and fishing". Although Bush was in Florida Wednesday afternoon with the victims, he was "biking and fishing" that morning in Crawford. In fact, the Bush Campaign seemed to really go out of it's way to announce that Bush was to be "biking and fishing" that morning. I guess that they felt that this emphasis would either convey confidence that Bush was completely ready for the debate (in fact, Press secretary Scott McClellan said Bush was ready for Thursday night's debate with Kerry. "He's looking forward to it," McClellan said), or that Bush was just a regular guy, or both. Well, here's a headline: "Typical "C" student goes biking and fishing instead of prepping for final exams, and fails." Do you really want someone for President who goes biking and fishing instead of concentrating on important matters of the State (Aug 6 PDB), even if it is "hard, hard work"? Hasn't this President had enough vacation time (more than any other) in the last four years? Also, when will they stop exploiting innocent victims for their own corrupt political gains? When will you make them stop? November 2nd, I hope.
Of all the excuses given for Bush's terrible, but honest, debate performance, it seems that the "consoling hurricane victims" excuse is going to be a major crutch for BC 04 spinners. Here are three little words to take that spin and flush it down where it belongs: "biking and fishing". Although Bush was in Florida Wednesday afternoon with the victims, he was "biking and fishing" that morning in Crawford. In fact, the Bush Campaign seemed to really go out of it's way to announce that Bush was to be "biking and fishing" that morning. I guess that they felt that this emphasis would either convey confidence that Bush was completely ready for the debate (in fact, Press secretary Scott McClellan said Bush was ready for Thursday night's debate with Kerry. "He's looking forward to it," McClellan said), or that Bush was just a regular guy, or both. Well, here's a headline: "Typical "C" student goes biking and fishing instead of prepping for final exams, and fails." Do you really want someone for President who goes biking and fishing instead of concentrating on important matters of the State (Aug 6 PDB), even if it is "hard, hard work"? Hasn't this President had enough vacation time (more than any other) in the last four years? Also, when will they stop exploiting innocent victims for their own corrupt political gains? When will you make them stop? November 2nd, I hope.
My ferrets could write Novakula's columns.
They have much same routine as that party hack:
Lap up praise from owners.
Rub head indiscriminately upon keyboard, hitting "send" almost by accident.
Roll on floor, hoping to look adorable enough to score treats.
Sleep.
Repeat.
A.
"I was perusing Google news and saw the title, "Bush wins debate with Kerry," from the San Francisco Chronicle at the top of the page."
Maybe the Chronicle scewed up and picked up their story from The Onion.
Lehrer and Ifill have Republican bias
On Friday nights I have a three-hour drive home through the mid-South; yesterday I was forced to stoop to listening to Michael Savage and Bukkake Boy to keep myself awake.
Savage really tore Lehrer a new asshole, asserting the exact opposite.
I've come to not really take all these media bias charges too seriously. What the media are mostly biased in favor of is not working very hard, and let's just face it; the GOP is better at feeding them talking points than we are.
OT: good though depressing interview with Juan Cole (last half of show) by Joe Vecchio on his internet radio show. (see homepage for link)
Blu - That Google article has been there for hours. I've already sent the author the link to http://mysterypollster.typepad.com/
and asked why she's the only person on the planet Earth who thinks Bush won.
E-mail Debra J. Saunders at dsaunders@sfchronicle.com and bring her down from outer space.
Is this the reason Oregon was pretending to be a swing state for awhile? I would love to see the Boss in Portland or Seattle!
Robert Novak breaks hip in Miami....
http://www.broadcastingcable.com...m/
CA457867.html
The Chimp grabbed his shiny new bike.
He decided to take the shunpike.
When he slipped in the dirt,
He tore off his skirt.
For a moment, he looked almost manlike.
Morning all - Hee hee! The letter I wrote to the Dallas Morning News yesterday about their editorial that said Bush won the debate by not losing got published this morning. And it was the first letter on the page!
The News also had a story that said they got over 500 letters for Kerry, most of which had been mailed en masse as part of a planned Democratic mailing after debates.
I couldn't be happier about being organized and starting to lean on the media systematically to get ourselves heard.
it seems that the "consoling hurricane victims" excuse is going to be a major crutch for BC 04 spinners.
It's HARD WORK loving all those hurricane victims the best I can when the wind is blowing 110 MPH.
I think Edwards will call Cheney on his lies. Don't underestimate Edwards, especially when seated next to one of the most evil looking people around. Cheney does not look like a nice person, I don't care how anyone tries to spin it.
For a sneak preview of the Vice Presidential debate, click here.
You will need your sound on and the videos may need time to load.
The stones have been stagnant (and perhaps pickled) since the middle 80's.
Borrowing a phrase from Greg Lake, "you just couldn't be more wrong". I first caught the Stones in '75. I saw them twice on their 97 tour and they were the best I'd ever seen them. Those two concerts were two of the best I had ever seen. The Bridges to Babylon album was good also, as was Voodoo Lounge.
Sorry but the boys ain't anything close to stagnant.
The Stones haven't been worth it since Some Girls, and that was 26 years ago. As much as I despise Springsteen, I would sooner see him and The E Street Band than watch Jagger shout lyrics for 2 hours.
I'm still disappointed that Kerry didn't mention hurricanes while hammering Bush on the Kyoto accords.
Even Aaron Brown hadda admit Kerry won 
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I'm seeing Jackson Browne tonight in Cincinnati. Looking very forward to how he might change the lyrics to "cocaine".
I'll take Jenna and Laura too
Ain't no difference
between the two
cocaine
runninn' all 'round my brain.
Now I'm sittin' here at camp david
and I'm almost out of blow
so many fine lies
hey, where did Poland go?
cocaine
runnin' all 'round my brain
My apologies to the Rev. Gary Davis
"Hispanic voter intimidation goes back a long ways. Remember, William Rehnquist was involved in voter intimidation in South Phoenix in the early 1960s.... There's so much prejudice in some Anglo circles towards Hispanic participation in the electoral process ...and so on that I think there is a need for observers."
Deanna, Rehnquist was involved in the vote suppression of 1960, 1962, 1964.... I live in Phoenix. I'm not now seeing anything like the kind of suppression that's being suggested, and haven't done in thirty years. The reason I haven't seen it is because of massive efforts which have taken place in AZ to prevent and stop it. Thus "Clean Elections" and the use of county-hired elections workers, rather than party members. The fact that there's a California imported ballot measure up for grabs is hardly evidence of state-sponsored intimidation or suppression - any more than would be a group of Protest Warriors turning up, or indeed the great Mormon pressure groups which do indeed attempt to enforce ballot discipline out in Mesa.
Thus, my puzzlement - the fact that forty years ago Arizona fell victim to rightwing pollwatchers seems to be stretching it a lot - while not monitoring South Dakota where there was apparent state-endorsed exclusion of Native Americans. Indeed, it's going to be interesting to see how the EP monitors Maricopa County - the Recorder reminds us that they will be enforcing
"POLLING PLACE CONDUCT
1. 75-foot rule. (A.R.S. § 16-515, 16-1017 (2) and 16-1018 (1))
No person is allowed to remain inside the 75-foot limit while the polls are open except for the purpose of voting, and except for the election board and officially appointed representatives. The only exception is for kids voting and necessary activities by the property owner. No news media or exit polling or checkers within the 75-foot limit. In addition, electioneering is prohibited within 75 feet of the polls from 6:00 am to 7:00 pm on election
day. No campaign related signs, buttons, literature, shirts, bumper stickers, advertisements, endorsements or written materials may be located nor be visible or audible within the 75 foot limit designated by the election board. If you intend to distribute any items to voters as they
enter the 75 foot limit, please also advise the voter that the item must be secured from view while the voter is in the 75 foot limit and in the polling place."
I saw Sean Hannity along with Bill Bennet on Fox and I started chuckling to myself .
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2 holy humbugs together, what a hilarious sight.
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Bush blaming his poor debate performance on being emotionally upset about hurricane victims is another reason this man should not be president.
A president needs to be extraordinarily emtionally mature, with the ability to compartmentalize. Tragedies occur across this country every day - police officers, doctors, nurses and EMT workers deal with trauma as a matter of course and it doesn't seem to affect their ability to carry out their professional responsibilities.
It's not as if Bush were there during the hurricane - it's not as if he actually experienced the destruction first-hand. Bush is clearly not up to the job if he is knocked off his game so easily just by simply meeting with natural disaster vicitms.
They are simply hallucinating, everyone knows Kerry won.
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America saw our next President and we shore liked who we saw .
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Hurray, Tena!
Pass-fail presidency: loverly.
Novak broke his hip?
Too bad. At least, his ugly mug won't be ruining the teevee picture for a while.
A knife, a fork, a bottle and a cork. That's the way we spell New York.
Whole lotta,whole lotta cocaine, running around Dubya's brain.
Keep the pressure up, we need the momentum all the way upto November 2.
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Louisianans, please go register and if you have already registered, rock on .
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October 4 last day to register.
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I want a President who isn't afraid of hard work. I want a President who doesn't whine about hard work.
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The dude who was on the late, late show showed a small segment of Bushies stammering, yammering performance.
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Hilarious .
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Anyone see where NewsHounds has possibly caught Fox with a doctored photo of Bush and Kerry. Making Bush look taller?
You can see their story here
Long awaited karma visits Novak in the form of a "hippie".
MinnieB9 - I was just saying that we need to keep the pressure up to someone else. You are so right - we have 30 days and we need to keep the momentum going.
Tena, we saw your letter. Congrats!
Early Indications of a Kerry Debate Bounce
The 2 key must win battleground states- Florida and Ohio
Florida
Kerry 45% Bush 31%
Ohio metropolitan areas
Cleveland OH
Kerry 51% Bush 26%
Cinninati OH
Kerry 37% Bush 35%
Other observations:
Des Moines Iowa
Kerry 50% Bush 30%
Colorado
Kerry 39% Bush 39%
can Kerry win Arkansas ?
Kerry 46% Bush 34%
interesting that Kentucky ( a solid red state ) saw Kerry as winner
Kerry 40% Bush 38%
I heard a while back that part of the Change tour would include the Louisville band "My Morning Jacket." I've seen them live twice -- don't miss them.
The letter I wrote to the Dallas Morning News yesterday about their editorial that said Bush won the debate by not losing got published
Tena,
Your letter rocked! Way to go.
On a different topic, I keep wondering how we could have changed history if we'd been this organized and energized when they started to beat up on Clinton! Oh well, fool me once, ... won't get fooled again.
Congratulations to Tena!
Too bad we can't get organized and get news like this out (from Juan Cole):
I have it from insiders that in April, 2003, Jay Garner let it slip to some of his staff that his charge was to turn Iraq over to Ahmad Chalabi within six months. The staffers were shocked and some contacted the State Department to see if this was known there. It was not. So they blew the whistle on Bush with Colin Powell. I was told that Powell then made a coalition with Tony Blair and that the two of them went to Bush and got him to change his mind.
The plan to put Chalabi in charge of Iraq was frankly idiotic. Chalabi had no grass roots. He was the one who had the bright idea to throw thousands of ex-Baathists into unemployment (which encouraged them to join the guerrilla resistance). It later came out that some of the Neoconservatives in the Pentagon had let it slip to him that the US had broken the Iranian diplomatic codes. Chalabi is chummy with Tehran and let his friends among the Ayatollahs know this tidbit. As a result, the US can no longer closely track the Iranian nuclear program.
But neither, of course, are we prosecuting Chalabi on that. Or chasing down the leak. Too busy being "steadfast" and "working hard," I guess. Back to Juan:
This is the man to whom Bush-- and I underline Bush-- was planning originally just to hand Iraq over. An Iranian asset. This was why, as Kerry noted on Thursday night, Bush had done no real planning for the period after the war. He thought he had everything sewn up because Chalabi would handle it.
Of course, it doesn't fit in a soundbite. And the "mainstream media" would go out of it's way to say Kerry wasn't very stylish in the way he discussed this, or some such. But can we just take Bush's performance Thursday as the concrete proof of complete incompetence? Maybe if we relied on the "right wing media," we could.
Salon notes that the "right wing media" said Bush got slammed Thursday night, while the "mainstream media" was falling all over itself to say it "wasn't that bad." Fair and balanced, ya know.
I received this email from a friend who was truly on the fence (or if was going to vote or not) in the upcoming election. The debate changed his mind. By the way he is a Marine.
BERRY MANILOW CONCERT WAS OUTSTANDING.
FUNNY I COULDN'T STOP THINKING ABOUT GEORGE BUSH PSYCHOLOGY LISTENING TO BARRY...........NOW A MULTI MILLIONAIRE IT IS APPARENT HE IS STILL TORTURED BY HIS YOUTH EXPERIENCES. HIS SONGS ARE HIS DAYDREAMS OF HIS YOUTH IN WHICH HE WAS A TORTURED, INSECURE OUTCAST. RIDICULED BY PEERS HE CREATED A "MIND WORLD" IN WHICH HE BECAME ALL THE THINGS NORMAL TO OTHERS IN ORDER TO SURVIVE HIS TORMENT.
HE STILL LIVES IN THAT WORLD AND EVEN ON STAGE YOU CAN SEE THE TROUBLED, SCARED LITTLE BOY OF YESTERDAY.
MAKING HIS DREAMS COME TRUE HAVE BY NO MEANS SILENCED HIS PRETEEN DEMONS, THEY FOLLOW HIM EVERYWHERE.
MY POINT..............GW'S WORLD BECOMES MORE FRAGILE AS HE CAN NEVER GO BACK AND UNDO COWARDICE. HIS RANDOM STRUGGLE TO ERASE PERSONAL FAILURES CAN ONLY MAGNIFY AS HE STANDS BEFORE A MAN (KERRY) WHO REMINDS HIM OF HIS FATHER, A TESTED HERO AND NATURAL LEADER OF MEN.
BUSH CANNOT LOOK HIM IN THE EYE, AND WILL BECOME EVEN MORE DANGEROUS IF SOMEHOW HE STAYS IN OFFICE. GOD FORBID.
PERSONALLY I WILL NEVER GET OVER 70% OF HUMV'S (TROOP CARRIERS) WITHOUT ARMOR BECAUSE IT WAS TOO EXPENSIVE! WHAT MOTHER CAN VOTE FOR SUCH A MAN.
Is this the reason Oregon was pretending to be a swing state for awhile? I would love to see the Boss in Portland or Seattle!
Finally an explanation of why NJ was pretending to be thinking about voting for Bush!
Poor Ifill looks like she is still trying to salvage Daddy Lugar’s agenda. .
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I really don’t know what that is all about and why Daddy Lugar thinks we should be in a bog down for a gazillion years but basically it is not flying.
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They keep showing these hilarious clips of him saying nonsense and it seems like the second clip had the word nonsense even louder than the first, I don’t know, that was my impression.
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But nobody is paying attention, we are not mean or anything, he is a sweet dude, we like him, he’s fine, if Gwennie likes him, that is fine too.
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We don’t have any prollem with any of that.
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We don’t have any prollem with Daddy Lugar having his opinion, it’s a free country, honey.
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Ha, ha, ha.
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Just saying.
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It’s just that, Daddy Lugar’s line is not flying these days, that’s the only thing.
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I'd like to know how Google ranks it's articles.
A foreign journalist passed the link to
this article to me on the Google News ranking controversy. Seems as if Rove/the Freepers have been working on ways to goose the system. (I was thinking about writing on this after reading Digby's response to Kevin Drum on bloggers as an echo chamber.)
I received this email from a friend who was truly on the fence (or if was going to vote or not) in the upcoming election. The debate changed his mind. By the way he is a Marine.
BERRY MANILOW CONCERT WAS OUTSTANDING.
FUNNY I COULDN'T STOP THINKING ABOUT GEORGE BUSH PSYCHOLOGY LISTENING TO BARRY...........NOW A MULTI MILLIONAIRE IT IS APPARENT HE IS STILL TORTURED BY HIS YOUTH EXPERIENCES. HIS SONGS ARE HIS DAYDREAMS OF HIS YOUTH IN WHICH HE WAS A TORTURED, INSECURE OUTCAST. RIDICULED BY PEERS HE CREATED A "MIND WORLD" IN WHICH HE BECAME ALL THE THINGS NORMAL TO OTHERS IN ORDER TO SURVIVE HIS TORMENT.
HE STILL LIVES IN THAT WORLD AND EVEN ON STAGE YOU CAN SEE THE TROUBLED, SCARED LITTLE BOY OF YESTERDAY.
MAKING HIS DREAMS COME TRUE HAVE BY NO MEANS SILENCED HIS PRETEEN DEMONS, THEY FOLLOW HIM EVERYWHERE.
MY POINT..............GW'S WORLD BECOMES MORE FRAGILE AS HE CAN NEVER GO BACK AND UNDO COWARDICE. HIS RANDOM STRUGGLE TO ERASE PERSONAL FAILURES CAN ONLY MAGNIFY AS HE STANDS BEFORE A MAN (KERRY) WHO REMINDS HIM OF HIS FATHER, A TESTED HERO AND NATURAL LEADER OF MEN.
BUSH CANNOT LOOK HIM IN THE EYE, AND WILL BECOME EVEN MORE DANGEROUS IF SOMEHOW HE STAYS IN OFFICE. GOD FORBID.
PERSONALLY I WILL NEVER GET OVER 70% OF HUMV'S (TROOP CARRIERS) WITHOUT ARMOR BECAUSE IT WAS TOO EXPENSIVE! WHAT MOTHER CAN VOTE FOR SUCH A MAN.
And I really don’t know what is going on with Ifill and Warner.
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They look like they are just trying to keep their long standing relationships going, not necessarily romantic ones, just social ones too.
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They are not gone flaming cuckoo like poor Cokie.
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Poor Cokie had all the right antecedents but somewhere the poor chick went flaming cuckoo and made up some fantasies that she then proceeded to project on ole Dubya.
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Stammering, yammering Dubya, not able to think through a thought Dubya, reiterating the same ole, same ole Dubya, yeah, that Dubya.
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She has a perfeckly nice husband, but for some reason she projected some whole flaming bodice ripping fantasy on poor ole Dubya.
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That is how it looks.
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Whereas everyone knows that in poor ole Dubya’s case, if anybody gets their bodice ripped, it will very likely be poor ole Dubya, beset by all these lizzies with their pent up notions about him, they will take him and roll him if they get them half a chance, that is how it looks from here, go figure.
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Why they would project on him I really can’t figure it out.
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When will they stop exploiting innocent victims for their own corrupt political gains?
Of all the excuses given for Bush's terrible, but honest, debate performance, it seems that the "consoling hurricane victims" excuse is going to be a major crutch for BC 04 spinners.
"Typical "C" student goes biking and fishing instead of prepping for final exams, and fails."
Do you really want someone for President who goes biking and fishing instead of concentrating on important matters of the State (Aug 6 PDB), even if it is "hard, hard work"?
"biking and fishing". Although Bush was in Florida Wednesday afternoon with the victims, he was "biking and fishing" that morning in Crawford. In fact, the Bush Campaign seemed to really go out of it's way to announce that Bush was to be "biking and fishing" that morning.
Early Indications of a Kerry Debate Bounce
The 2 key must win battleground states- Florida and Ohio
Florida
Kerry 45% Bush 31%
Ohio metropolitan areas
Cleveland OH
Kerry 51% Bush 26%
Cinninati OH
Kerry 37% Bush 35%
Other observations:
Des Moines Iowa
Kerry 50% Bush 30%
Colorado
Kerry 39% Bush 39%
can Kerry win Arkansas ?
Kerry 46% Bush 34%
interesting that Kentucky ( a solid red state ) saw Kerry as winner
Kerry 40% Bush 38%
standa | Email | Homepage | 10.02.04 - 11:34 am | #
Standa, thanks for the info, that is my feeling too.
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This wishful yearning by the Tokyo Rosie and Axis Sally bloggers just sounds ludicrous.
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Todd Purdum in the NYT sounded ludicrous and yearning.
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Borrowing a phrase from Greg Lake, "you just couldn't be more wrong".
I'll try to get over my revulsion for Greg Lake long enough to agree.
To recap the argument:
"how can anyone call Springsteen a FORMER biggest star when he can fill a stadium?"
"The Stones probably have the best claim to the title of "biggest stars", objectively speaking, if that's your criterion."
"I don't like the Stones. Besides, they're not doing anything any more."
"The Stones still fill stadiums around the world, wherever they go. They're working on a new album and another tour."
"I don't like the Stones."
Whatever. I'm not dissing Springsteen, but the Rolling Stones were billed as the "World's Greatest Rock & Roll Band" for years before Springsteen released his first album. They're still touring and still recording today.
And Keith Richards has learned how to tune his guitar.
She has a perfeckly nice husband, but for some reason she projected some whole flaming bodice ripping fantasy on poor ole Dubya.
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That is how it looks.
Minnie,
You're great!
Salon notes that the "right wing media" said Bush got slammed Thursday night, while the "mainstream media" was falling all over itself to say it "wasn't that bad." Fair and balanced, ya know.
Robert M. Jeffers | Email | Homepage | 10.02.04 - 11:37 am | #
It depends on who you call Mainstream, ha, ha, ha, but the point is well taken.
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It was the freepers who got truly shocked by the yammering, weirdo performance by Bush.
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Poor Toddie was going all wishful, chugging along drearily, saying, in the end it was this or that, no, it was not, baby, it was a Rout.
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Yeah, that’s what it was, it was a Rout.
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It was a decisive blow, Kerry took Bush and smacked him clear across the room.
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Kerry was on super-charge, Bushie was on watered down.
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He should ask Dee Dee, she could tell him what really happened, just saying .
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Standa, that is a beautiful link, oh yeah.
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Gosh, the Tokyo Rosies and Axis Sallies are just living in their own world. .
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interesting that Kentucky ( a solid red state ) saw Kerry as winner
Kerry 40% Bush 38%
Indiana and Alabama are "solid red states" - in that nobody can imagine either of them going Democratic in a presidential election anytime soon - although even they have had Democratic governors within the last decade (and Indiana's current governor is a Democrat).
Kentucky, on the other hand, went for Clinton in '96.
while the "mainstream media" was falling all over itself to say it "wasn't that bad." Fair and balanced, ya know.
mm hmm. You should have heard Bukkake Boy last night.
Anyone who is filling arenas/stadiums in this economy is a star.
I saw Hannity and Bennet together, they made such a cute pair .
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I'm just crazy about Minnie
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Have been waiting for a morning thread to post this item but it looks like Atrios is enjoying a well deserved rock and roll hangover this morning.
I am incredibly envious.
To the point. With sll the debate hubbub, I've not noticed any comment on this one -
The despicable "Bible Banned/Gay Engagement Approved" pamphlet that the rethugs first floated in Arkansas is now being widely distributed by the RNC in West Virginia.
Bob Byrd took his outrage to the senate floor and called for an apology. (Not nice to piss off the old guy.) The RNC's official comment was, "It was an issue that was already out there. It was obviously on the minds of voters.''
Is anyone else inclined to ask the RNC exactly who put bible banning "out there" into anyone's mind?
Novak breaks a hip! Woo-hoo!! I feel no compassion for this fuckwad. Here's to a staph infection setting in with a side of gangrene and a dash of foot fungus.
Don't worry...men without souls don't feel pain. They're like the un-dead. All they want to to feel a tastet of the life force which escapes them.
Don't pity the beast...just stab it through it's little tiny black heart.
I'm posting this here because I want to clue the Kerry campaign into a fact they seem to be unaware of.
BUSH DID NOT CUT TAXES! HE POSTPONED TAXES WITH LOANS.
25% of federal spending is now financed by borrowing money.
THE LOANS PLUS INTEREST MUST BE PAID BACK WITH 'TAX' MONEY
It's a nice scam. Give money to the wealthy, then borrow it back from them. Leave it to the middle class suckers to pick up the bill
THIS IS LIKE PICKING UP THE TAB AT DINNER BY PAYING FOR IT WITH YOUR GUEST'S CREDIT CARD
Make a great TV ad, wouldn't it?
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http://www.cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm?i...uence=2&
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"Friends, if you were to interview Margaret Carlson what would you ask her"
Does dressing like that plain girl on Scooby Doo make you feel smarter?
"Why they would project on him I really can’t figure it out."
Guess you've never seen a coke whore, Minnie?
Hey, I went to see Patti Smith here in (divine) Providence last night, and SHE played "Because the Night" and finished with "The People have the Power". It's a librul conspiracy, alert Faux News!
Patricia Wilson @ Reuters prefaces
Kerry's comments today this way:
A Boston millionaire who has served in the U.S. Senate for two decades, Kerry said he shared the middle class's "frustration that this administration seems to be in a constant state of denial that neglects the needs of these Americans."
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He portrayed Bush, a fellow Yale graduate with a similar privileged upbringing, as unable to empathize with the middle class and a man who could neither see nor fix the country's economic problems.
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Here is her contact info:
patricia.wilson@reuters.com
Phone: (202) 898-8300
Hey, I went to see Patti Smith here in (divine) Providence last night, and SHE played "Because the Night" and finished with "The People have the Power". It's a librul conspiracy, alert Faux News!
"Friends, if you were to interview Margaret Carlson what would you ask her"
How much did it cost you to get Tucker that job?
I'm posting this here because I want to clue the Kerry campaign into a fact they seem to be unaware of.
BUSH DID NOT CUT TAXES! HE POSTPONED TAXES WITH LOANS.
He cut taxes (actually, Congress cut taxes, but they magnanimously give him the credit).
He happened to do it in a year in which the federal government ran a deficit, which means that it borrowed money, net.
This was fairly standard practice before 1998. The last year prior to that in which the federal government broke even was 1969, when the government ran a surplus of $3 billion.
Go read Keynes' General Theory.
If anybody's interested, here's a link
to a piece I did about (among other
things) my first Bruce show in 1973.
Be sure to scroll down a bit...
http://
search.barnesandnoble.com...isbn=0380976196
"Better ask questions before you shoot."
- from Lonesome Day, also performed last night.
We had a great, great time. Even the non-political attendees had to have been affected.
Old Hat--
For your list, add...
Mexico
Canada
--Dags
Don't like Bruce *or* REM? One wonders why Alterman chose to hang out at your house for the debate. Does the good Dr. know of your Bruce ambivalence?
Aha. So that's why Eric Alterman was visiting Atrios in Philadelphia.
Cheney's very quick and smart when he's not telling people to go fuck themselves.
Ha. He's more clever than Shrub, but he just barely held his own with Joe Loserman, who kissed his ass and let him get away with that self-made man whopper. Edwards has a lot to prove and Cheney has felt entitled for so long that I don't think he'll be up to the task.
More to the point, Cheney has absolutely nothing to recommend him. His congressional record is beyond a joke, and his few significant votes are embarrassments to him that he understandably wishes everyone would forget. The past four years have been a disaster. And on 9/11 he cowered in the bunker with Condi while Clarke ran the anti-terror folks, then afterwards he had to punt to Powell because he had not clue one on how to handle the Taliban.
I have my doubts about Edwards, but at best he can hold his own with Cheney. It will be easy to rattle his cage, no matter how much Ambien Colin slips him in advance.
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