I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
This Myers woman has a LONG history of being a hack.
I will not say first!
why... it's hack-o-rific !
Oh, I'm glad I'm not Lisa Myers' weiner.
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Why isn't NBC being raked over to coals too?
regards from this side of the point of no return.
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Misrepresenting quotes, taking things out of context and just making shit up - this is classic Lisa Meyers.
Lisa has a RSVP for the duck pit come January.
"Oh, I'm glad I'm not Lisa Myers' weiner."
No possible. You're Anatomically Incorrect for her.
The journalists are too busy bitching the bloggers to do their job correctly!
Candy Crowley was on CNN a little while ago doing pre-debate spin for the Veep show on Tuesday (paraphrase): what a contrast it will be between the Elder Statesman and a guy who's only been in politics for 6 years; but Edwards was a successful trial lawyer, and knows how to cleverly use words [smirk].
Oy.
Kerry said: "The American Dream is on the ballot". I agree.
P.S. Not sure if that is an accurate quote..
I've notice a new theme developing in the media's depiction of the first debate: Kerry won on style, but Bush won on substance. Candy Crowley just made a statement to this effect, and I have heard it from others elsewhere. Each time I hear this assessment, it is stated as a fact, and no supporting details are provided. What the fuck? What substance are they talking about? I suppose one could say that Bush's demeanor and presentation were even worse than the substance of the ideas that he was trying to get across. But what the hell were those ideas - what was the substance of what he was saying? If individuals in the media want to say he won on substance, fine, but those making this proclamation should also identify and defend the specific substantive ideas that Bush "won." This won't happen, of course, because what is happening here is a manifestation of the assumption that Bush had to win on *something* in the debate. He couldn't lose on *everything*, could he? If Kerry looked better, then his ideas couldn't also be better, could they? No one can win both style and substance - the two are clearly mutually exclusive. This much is clear if you are a fucking troglodyte like Candy Crowley or the others who will soon spread this theme far and wide.
yet another hack waiting to be outed.
I have never seen my Republicans friends so down.
They were riding so high thinking Bush was a strong tough debater.
Boy they seem scared.
I assume Myers lives around NYC? It's interesting that she apparently wants her tax cut more than she wants not to get killed through Chimpy's sterling incompetence in everything having to do with preventing another 9/11. She's like a drowning woman unwilling to let go of a gold bar.
I've notice a new theme developing in the media's depiction of the first debate: Kerry won on style, but Bush won on substance. Candy Crowley just made a statement to this effect, and I have heard it from others elsewhere. Each time I hear this assessment, it is stated as a fact, and no supporting details are provided. What the fuck? What substance are they talking about? I suppose one could say that Bush's demeanor and presentation were even worse than the substance of the ideas that he was trying to get across. But what the hell were those ideas - what was the substance of what he was saying? If individuals in the media want to say he won on substance, fine, but those making this proclamation should also identify and defend the specific substantive ideas that Bush "won." This won't happen, of course, because what is happening here is a manifestation of the assumption that Bush had to win on *something* in the debate. He couldn't lose on *everything*, could he? If Kerry looked better, then his ideas couldn't also be better, could they? No one can win both style and substance - the two are clearly mutually exclusive. This much is clear if you are a fucking troglodyte like Candy Crowley or the others who will soon spread this theme far and wide.
see the Delay story to the left?
it made crossfire comments.
later Carlson said "watching bush speak was like watching a drunk cross an icy street". that was funny but he's still a dickhead.
Meyers has a long history of not merely distorting facts, but of fabricating stories and altering evidence to bolster her biased reporting.
Yet, she still has a job and is held up as an exemplar by NBC.
Feh!
i'm beginning to get a sneaking suspicion that the oligarchs down at General Electric don't want to see John Kerry win this thing.
(but first let's cut away from lisa myers and joe scare-borough to mrs. greenspan for some breathlessly skewed and garbled horsebleep...)
I just noticed that MMA allows for posting comments.
One person posted this in the comments to the linked Lisa Meyers piece:
Everyone,
Back off, I know for a fact she is on our side.
by JT - Friday October 1, 2004 11:41:39 PM EST - reply
Howzat?
Lisa is from Webb City, MO, in the heart of the 7th Conbgessional Disctrict, perhaps the most rock-ribbed Conservative Republican districts in the US. She is from a strong Repub family, and thus expresses the political philsophy she has been exposed to all her life.
"This much is clear if you are a fucking troglodyte like Candy Crowley or the others who will soon spread this theme far and wide.
Mike"
Candy Crowley and Lisa Myers: Whoring for Bush in the face of contrary evidence.
It's the corporatism, Baby!
With the ReThugs in charge of all three branches of government, most of the governorships of the states and the corporate media, this is a monumental battle.
CBS did the same thing.
Write and complain. It worked against Luntz.
The most recent Rasmussen Electoral Vote Predictor tally: Kerry 238 Bush 296!
otoh, laura rozen at war and piece has links to stories that will warm your hearts. one speculating that tom delay's days are numbered and the other a link to abc's story on the sleazy neil bush. a choice quote from the abc story: "But Sharon knew from the beginning, indeed on her wedding day, that politics came first.
While in her wedding dress, she said she was asked by her new mother-in-law to step out of certain family photos. Barbara wanted only her sons to be photographed with her, Sharon said."
I really believe in the value of trying to dig up the truth. The SCUM is trying to bury the truth. It's really disgusting. Give me something to break! If not, some e-mail addresses, please!
Lisa Myers, Juanita Brodderick's bestest friend. Good times, good times.
I wrote to the Today Show and asked the wtf they were thinking. Follow the links on the MM story and tell them we're watching them!
If you care to email, here are some the NBC and MSNBC email addresses:
abramsreport@msnbc.com,campbell.brown@nbc.com,davi
d.gregory@nbc.com,imus@msnbc.com,today@nbc.com,ton
ightshow@nbc.com,hardball@msnbc.com,chrismatthews@
msnbc.com,thetonightshow@nbc.com,andrea.mitchell@n
bc.com,feedback@msnbc.com,WORLD@MSNBC.COM,lisa.mye
rs@nbc.com,cable@msnbc.com,dateline@nbc.com,today@
nbc.com,videonews@msnbc.com,countdown@msnbc.com,mt
p@nbc.com,joe@msnbc.com, neal.shapiro@nbc.com,Erik.Sorenson@MSNBC.com,night
ly@nbc.com,bob.wright@nbc.com
Sent them your feelings.
Damn! I broke Haloscan. Sorry guys, next time I'll insert breaks. My bad.
Hey Mike -- space bar, bud.
Mike - spaces between the e-mail addresses would be great. Won't fuck up Haloscan. Thanks.
See this is why I get really pissed when the media starts whining that it isn't biased and presents both sides of everything. It's a big fucking lie and the media either knows it or should by now and treats us like we are idiots. Or, what is scarier, doesn't recognize it and is comprised of a bunch of idiots. Probably some from column A and some from column B is the true state of affairs.
Certainly newspapers were much better when there was more than one per major metropolitan area and they each freely admitted their bias. Consolidation is absolutely killing this country. I wish the anti-trust division of the DOJ wasn't in a coma.
Still a short thread.
*klik* START AGAIN
[/JohnCleese]
Mike - no worries. Just reminds me of an Electric Six song:
I wanna take you to a space bar,
I wanna take you to a space bar,
I wanna take you to a space bar, space bar, space bar.
Let's start a war, start a nuclear war,
At the space bar, space bar, space bar.
Wow!
Is Lisa Myers married?
anybody know candy crowley's e-mail address?
http://www.cjr.org/tools/owners/
I've probably posted this before, but the above link takes you to the Columbia School of Journalism's page on "Who Owns What" in the media. Very enlightening....
I saw Myers report last night and was upset at Myers' distortions. Thanks, Media Matters for setting it straight. I hope they can get a response from Myers and NBC for a supposedly researched news report that was more of a distortion than anything Kerry said during the debate.
President Bush was defeated not by Senator Kerry, but by "the absence of audience" during the first Presidential Debate.
Perhaps you have noticed how Mr. Bush speaks "directly to" yet, with his words and body language ~ persistently begs the listener(s) to respond in some way. This is the characteristic not of a speaker but of a seller: he doesn't know "where he is"... rather he is focused upon "where you are" -- and defines his Self by what he sees in the Other.
Without the Self's feedback / reinforcement of The Other, Mr. Bush "lost himself". It was that deafening silence, that black hole of unknowable obervers, out there, somewhere... watching... judging.
Couple the obvious angst that The President was experiencing during the debate experience with the reflected un-reality of his highly vetted audiences over the past six weeks -- it is no wonder that the poor fellow became so distressed -- anxieties that he expressed as anger.
This need to define one Self by the Other is one of many characteristics of the sociopathic personality, which also include: incapacity for introspection into The Self; and, inability to feel or express real empathy for The Other.
Since this is the hacktacular thread, did anybody catch any of "Washington Week in Review" last night? With the exception of Karen Tumulty, they all looked mighty pissed that they couldn't follow the "a stiff Kerry sealed his doom" script. David Broder-the Dean!-said that at least Bush showed genuine emotion while Kerry was cold. He was referring to the moment when Bush tried to look sad and said that he doesn't know how to love the war widow! Are these people all nuts? My guess is that Broder is trying to outdo Hugh Sidey as haigiographer in chief to the Bush dynasty, but the idea that he should be the dean of anything but a state run insane asylum blows my mind.
Lisa Myers obviously would be happier working for FOX. Its time for NBC to help her on her way.
Ok. I have e-mailed a lot.
Now what could I break?
It is really bad when your "Fact check" does not survive a "Fact check".
Echidne,
No breaking, please. When goddesses start breaking things, it can get serious. 
Man, is haloscan f*&ked up!
OT but can you say "copy and paste", kids?
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To: retrace@nytimes.com
Maureen Dowd misquoted John Kerry (3/18/04) as saying:"Who among us doesn't like NASCAR?"
John Kerry's actual words were: "There isn't one of us here who doesn't like NASCAR and who isn't a fan."
Sound clip at http://www.slate.com/id/2107251/
...ContinueArticle
Perhaps the Times and/or Ms. Dowd might consider, you know, apologizing for the misquote and Ms. Dowd's subsequent caricature of Senator Kerry as "Mr. Collins, Elizabeth Bennet's pretentious cousin in ''Pride and Prejudice''"?
Sincerely,
Dear Ms. Myers,
I have set up a Truth Squad on my home computer that fact checks the various media "truth squads". I am sorry to inform you that you suck. You have have a love affair with inaccuracy and obviously get off by deliberately misleading the public. You are a media pervert. So clean up your act or get off the air.
Well, thanks for telling us, Mikey...I was cursing my POS computer!!
Whew!!
Oh Hecate, you're ruining
my fun 
. Maybe I can
break something in Karl
Rove's head?
Is the Chimp really sociopathic,
Or does he just have an empty attic?
I guess you could say:
Don't let him play
With things that resemble a stick.
Oh yeah, Echidne!
If you can find
anything inside
Uncle Karl's
big empty noggin,
please break it
bigtime! Boy
am I going to
be glad to say
bye bye to that
big evil twerp!
Can someone elaborate on "the substance"
of Bush's comments that the GOP found so
significant?
Liesa doesn't embarass them, they're beneath shame. If they dumped everything this bad they'd have no "news" division at all. Probably a big improvment.
Maybe that's the fall back position. If we can't make them have real news keep them from having phony news. They'd have a half hour free and could begin prime time earlier. They'd probably go for it.
Spirit of Howard Beale,
No one seems to have any. They just keep repeating this over and over hoping it will become "truth." Bush sucked on substance, as well as style. Howard Fineman said Bush brought 30 minutes of content to a 90 minute debate. All he had were the same old tired talking points we've heard over and over and Bush kept repeating them over and over, along with "hard work" -- the talking point that first surfaced during last week's press conference.
Kerry won on style and substance.
I agee with the substance of what GW of Media Matters is saying, but could we get them to go back and correct all the references to Iran when I'm sure they meant Iraq? It's really annoying when the fact checker criticizing the fact checker checking the facts of the candidates makes this mistake so many times.
The deep problem with way too much of our press, especially our TV "press" (which I can only use in scare quotes), is that they are way too dumb for their jobs.
It's not really hard to keep track of, and unravel the vast majority of the statements of our national politicians. Many commentors on this very board do a perfectly good job of it. It requires, though, a certain level of attention to policy, and an ability to absorb new information at a reasonable pace.
But our press just can't seem to do it for the life of them. Our TV "press", who have to handle the complexities of looking pretty, seem far too overwhelmed to do even half the job of the print press.
I keep wondering, we have 300 million people in the US, some of them pretty damn smart. How was it, exactly, that, say, Lisa Myers was one who managed to rise to the top instead of the millions of sharp ones amongst us?
At this time we are unable to confirm rumors that Lisa Myers writes General Electric's SEC filings.
I've notice a new theme developing in the media's depiction of the first debate: Kerry won on style, but Bush won on substance. Candy Crowley just made a statement to this effect, and I have heard it from others elsewhere.
McCain said that yesterday on Hannity radio and even further to say that's how it will come out in the next couple of days and Sunday talk shows. So this is an approved Rove's talking point and it is already spreading.
Expect this tomorrow.
But Dana Milbank in Wapo is doing his best to inoculate against that.
Can someone elaborate on "the substance"
of Bush's comments that the GOP found so
significant?
Actually, they've been referring to "substance abuse".
Whatever "substance" Bush had, It ran out 30 minutes into the debate.
I'm posting this here because I want to clue the Kerry campaign into a fact they seem to be unaware of.
BUSH DID NOT CUT TAXES! HE POSTPONED TAXES WITH LOANS.
25% of federal spending is now financed by borrowing money.
THE LOANS PLUS INTEREST MUST BE PAID BACK WITH 'TAX' MONEY
It's a nice scam. Give money to the wealthy, then borrow it back from them. Leave it to the middle class suckers to pick up the bill
THIS IS LIKE PICKING UP THE TAB AT DINNER BY PAYING FOR IT WITH YOUR GUEST'S CREDIT CARD
Make a great TV ad, wouldn't it?
*
http://www.cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm?i...uence=2&
from=0*
I thought a good skit for SNL tonight would be Bush pooring Vodka into his water glass as Kerry was speaking.
Dana Milbank in Wapo
Reaction Shots May Tell Tale of Debate
Can someone elaborate on "the substance"
of Bush's comments that the GOP found so
significant?
The Spirit of Howard Beale
I dunno about the GOP, but the "substance" I found in Bush's words can be described as "brown" and "sounds like a bell."
Incidentally, this is why we must "change horses," mid-stream or no. The horses' diapers are full of Bush's horseshit.
Can someone elaborate on "the substance" of Bush's comments that the GOP found so significant?
[In the spirit of Bush's "substance"]
The substance of Bush's remarks came through in his words. Lots of words, important words. Words of substance, delivered in an honest and impassioned manner. And reinforced, repeatedly. It was substance layered on more substance as he talked at length about how important what he was saying was. That he's not changing anything was almost as substantial as his pledge to do even better.
Shall I continue to elaborate?
What I don't understand is that Meyers would surely make a lot more money if she dropped her professional posturing and hire on with Fox.
Maybe she's simply not that bright.
I'm posting this here because I want to clue the Kerry campaign into a fact they seem to be unaware of.
Good point. Please go to the Kerry webpage and send it to them directly. We can't count on their ability to comb through all the comments threads on all the liberal blogs. They have a place to send suggestions right on the web page.
Can someone elaborate on "the
substance" of Bush's comments that the
GOP found so significant?
Pete and Repeat: Hard Work and Mixed Messages
That's about all they have.
Isn't she the one that got blood tests done on a prostitute's baby in Arkansas during Operation Destroy Clinton?
I'm glad that somebody is fact-checking the fact-checkers.
syntallic:
Your "ad" on your website is too
weird. You are one sick SOB. I loved it!!!!
Cheenee finally looks like the
demented old wuss he really is and the Bush Boy looks like he's getting goosed with a cattle prod.
My mother used to torture me with the Pete and Repeat story.
I love the fact that these fools are trying to pass the Bush Boy's miserable performance as being substantive. They just won't quit. Even with the whole god damn world watching the slaughter, they still continue to blather on. I didn't
think these jackoffs could look any more foolish, but again, they've proved me
wrong. This is entertaining.
This need to define one Self by the Other is one of many characteristics of the sociopathic personality, which also include: incapacity for introspection into The Self; and, inability to feel or express real empathy for The Other.
Absolutely. These are also characteristics of narcissistic personality disorder. So is a brittle and fragile inflated sense of self--like a brittle balloon, empty inside. The smallest insult, injury, or, particularly, humiliation, causes uncontrollable narcissistic rage. Like a balloon pricked with a pin.
Whether he has some neuropsychological problems, I can't say for sure, but as someone living in Texas I can tell you he's been like this for a long, long time. I don't mean to play "dueling diagnoses", because in reality his presenting symptoms are probably sufficient to qualify him for a diagnosis of both personality disorders. And he is sociopathic as all get-out. But the particular behavior I saw during the debate was a near-heroic effort to control the uncontrollable--narcissistic rage.
I hesitated to say, because I'll have to vomit if I hear anyone anywhere in any way insinuate that because he's so desperately impaired, he therefore really won the debate.
Crap. I forgot to put in the line breaks there. Sorry.
Actually, whatever substance they had Bush on, its affects ran out 30 minutes into the debate.
I hope they double the dose next time - he may really come completely apart then.
It's great that those of us who hang out on sites such as this get a regular update on the fictional reporting of our scribes, but it would be nice to extend that knowledge to a much larger audience, and to have some large costs associated with inventing news. Maybe the Daily Show could do a bit where they mock Lisa and Carl for intruding on their turf and doing it badly? A bit of mockery by Jon and colleagues for every fictional item might go far to stem this garbage
For what it's worth, I e-mailed a withering compalint re Ms. Meyer.
How else is candy and lisa going to make a buck. They can't fuck their way to the top.
she looks like a female impersonator impersonating a female impersonator.
Succinct response re: Bush supporters' claim that Bush won the debates on "substance":
WHERE'S THE SUBSTANCE?
If there really is any, they should be extremely forthcoming about naming, specifically, the "substance" they are referring to.
Bush lost on style. He lost on substance. He lost, period. And he's going to lose it all, very soon.
If there was a drug involved in Bush's behavior, one of its side-effects is blinking. That DNC laff-fest, in fact, showed far more blinking by Bush than scowling and eye rolling. And I'm pretty sure Bush stifled a yawn as well.
The Idiot supposedly has bad knees and back pain, so he is probably usually hopped up on something (and since he isn't supposed to booze after Jesus fixed him)...I'll bet he didn't take his pharma for the debate to be "sharp" and that made him more pathetic and irritable. If there is a 2nd debate (which media will announce Bush victory just for not chickening out), they should have him flying high, he couldn't be any worse than Thursday night!
sorry- didn't realize
somebody broke halo...
"It's a nice scam. Give money to the wealthy, then borrow it back from them.
Leave it to the middle class suckers to pick up the bill"
yup.
1. Cut taxes 5% from the upper bracket.
2. Make it up with bond sales to these same people.
THEY'RE SUBSTITUTING ASSET SALES FOR TAXATION!
(but we're too stupid to see it)
My 70 year old mother really likes Lisa Myers. We've discussed Myers a few times over the past few months. Mom is somehow convinced that Lisa is one of the good people.
It mystifies me.
Mom found Keith Olbermann's Countdown all on her own and watches every night. She was the first person I ever heard call Matthews Tweetie. She has me print out every E.J. Dionne column for her. Once I showed her how to find the Comedy Channel, she watches TDS religiously. She gave her "funniest man in the world" title to Jon Stewart over Bill Maher (barely) a couple of weeks ago. She has actually blocked FOX News from her TV. It is not like she doesn't get it.
Having said all that. Mom told me last night that she was really disappointed in the way that NBC (she made a point of differentiating between NBC and MSNBC) handled the post-debate stuff, she's pissed at Couric and Russert. So far so good. I agreed and said something about Myers and that report. She said, "I didn't mean her. Lisa was being just being nice. We should be worried if she ever talks nice about Kerry."
Now, I'm not exactly sure how to take that but I think it means that Mom thinks that Lisa is "so nice" that her assigned role is to make excuses for the loser.
Still can't tolerate Myers but it makes it easier to take.
Kay, your mom sounds like a very special person and it sounds like you love her a lot.
Kay, your mom sounds terrific and I had a father that would come up with the same gut instinct observations that later proved to be right. Maybe Lisa is a hooker with a heart of gold. Who really knows.
Rosalind Jordan on CBS Evening News tonight just said Bush had criticized Kerry's statement that he would "use a global test" yada, yada.
Can't they get anything right? Does everything have to be 2-3 words long for them to quote accurately?
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