I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
And thus a media myth is born.
Remember that grade-achool game called "telephone", where a sentence would be passed along verbally and sound nothing like the original by the time the last kid heard and repeated it?
As far as I am concerned, a liberal trying to win the die-hard nascar fan voters is like Clinton trying to win the evangelica christian voters. It's a lost cause so why bother?
MYOB'
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I winced when I heard the alleged Kerry quote about Nascar because I think it sucks.
Let's let little Miss Perfect know that she screwed up.
Does someone have to point out again that the reason that Dowd and Gerth and Safire and Miller and Connely etc all have jobs is NOT because their employer's product is honest journalisim?
They are there because they can write what sells papers. If it happens to be true and accurate, fine. If it happens to turn out to be a lie, well, it only matters to the extent it hurts circulation.
Dowd got a Pulitzer, didn't she? The Times "reputation" is based on having "the most Pulizter writers" or some mark like that. They aren't hurt by having the most hacks on board as well.
So, they say Kerry only won the debate because of "style" so it doesn't mean he'd be a better president, but they'll also use "style" -- "speech patterns" -- to make him look bad, even though they have to fabricate it.
Who amongst us does not think Dowd is hacktacular?
I don't understand why it's so bad, besides being utterly fabricated. I would have to be told not only what he said, but why people think it's at all noteworthy in order to have an opinion about it one way or another.
Sulzberger should resign.
Kerry only won the debate 'cause bush was tired from lov'n them fla. hurricane victims so hard.
Hurricane Charley Kicked Ass!!!
Fire Dowd, really though she's on our side a lot, she is often times a horrible hack.
BUT BOBO must GO too. Just for being horrible.
D'ya think Howie can maybe find 30 seconds for this on "Reliable (sic) Sources" by Sunday?
Or is that a bit too, too relevant to the TITLE OF HIS DAMN SHOW!?!
Unerwhelm, I think it was supposed to be bad because Kerry was speaking english instead of Amurkin whilst referring to NASCAR.
Everybody knows Kerry would have said "amongst," not "among."
thank god al gore invented the internet so that we can all be made aware of this.
and when thinking about manufactured quotations, don't forget that carl cameron's wife worked for bush-cheney in 2000. probably doing so again.
underwhelm, they are upset because they remember things like earthtones, and wishy washy, that gave us a strong, decisive, resolute war criminal for a president. but your right, it's underwhelming.
I was at first confused as to why this quote makes kerry look bad, but then if you say it to yourself in a sorta queen victoria voice, you can see the image they are trying to paste him with, in order to make the news more exciting (at the expense of his vote).
Who amongst us does not think Dowd is hacktacular?
Blue Demon
Dowd cuts both ways --- but if you add it up she's gone more at the preznut than she ever did with big john.
I actually think her stuff is pretty funny with kerry, but downright nasty with the chimperor.
in the mean time big john has found his message and he looks really comfortable with it -- he's got the wind at his back now and the preznut couldn't put him away at the debate (which is what the media was prepared to write, by the way) - so to give kerry "style points" or any points for that matter is earth-shattering to the corporate media cogs, no matter their level. the local outlets did some of their own sampling and they reveal a groundswell for the challenger; if edwards gets cheney rattled and kerry follows up this first performance with another great performance - we will be taking the battle directly to the preznut and he'll be spending a lot of time defending from here on out.
the other factor is that the battle is being fought tactically on our turf, so the uphill climb is going to be difficult, but not nearly impossible - we just have to hold serve in those states and pick off just one other state - watch colorado and missouri and really watch arkansas -- those are the keys
BILLIONAIRES BEFORE THE ENVIRONMENT
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It doesn't have to be real, it's factesque.
seem's to me, if there's that many
quotes of it - it must be true!
Who gives a shit about some NASCAR quote? If this campaign was anything other than a spectacular farce, silly bullshit like this would not matter.
First it was "swift boats", now we're up in the air over "who does not love NASCAR?", or whatever.
What I want is at one of these (gag) "debates" for some asshole to have enough backbone to ask Bush and Kerry both to answer a real question about anything.
Who gives a shit about this stupid crap about silly quotes? It serves no purpose but to distract people.
if ever there was a symbol for the need of a new generation of journalists, it's the need for the daily howler.
i remember in the early 80s, when i was in college, and the school i attended shuttered its journalism school -- too "trade-oriented" was the tag (this was UCLA).
i have many friends at the LA Times, who for years have been wearing their "the world operates in the middle of the road" veil that allows them to discount wingnuts on both left and the right.
but with this election cycle, they are all finally convinced that there is a pervasive bias in the media against liberalism / mainstream thought and for creeping fascism.
the creation of quotes like this - where the tainting is as faint as the use of high-brow diction and word choice - are but one indication of creeping fascism.
Remember that silly 80s miniseries V? the first thing those fucking lizard invaders did was villify the scientists and intellectuals because they were the first to identify the creeping threat.
same thing here - including the use of lizards.
Speaking of "silly me", washingtonmonthly.com appears to be down because they forgot to re-register their domain name. Has anybody else been able to get the site ?
Please don't feed the nolls*.
Thank you.
*Nader trolls
honestly, i've never understood the hold modo has over people. if you saw any of her recent appearances while pimping her book, bill maher and charlie rose were all giggly and squirming -- reminded me of little puppies waiting to get their ears scratched.
These stereotypes are silly. I don't give a crap if Kerry said he doesn't follow Nascar or He does. If someone is basing their vote on their hobbies and not the issues, I wouldn't want their vote. I can not associate with wind-surfing, but I think its nice to see a candidate enjoying what he likes to do. I am a nascar fan, I have no choice since Pocono Raceway is my back yard and I enjoy it. It by no way influences my vote. Kerry could say he Hates Nascar and I would still give him my vote. Journalists are so juvenile to make this an issue.
brucds, i got in, but i don't like it.
attaturk calls it on someone i just wont read, ever. big waste of time.
All of us...right, center, left, are cranking out material of a higher quality, for free, than that for which David Brooks is getting paid six-figures, and given the imprimatur of "pundit".
Somerby consistently does fine work. As for Mo, I could never understand the adulation otherwise intelligent people have for her. I find her annoying myself. Last week on Real Time, she spent most of the hour batting her eyelashes, tossing her hair in that spastic way she has, and pimping her "book parties." And making shit up for laughs is for stand-up comics and novelists, not alleged journalists. Her yammering about Gore's earthtones, Love Story connections, etc. helped put Bu$hCo in the White House, so please don't tell me she's "on our side."
And our youth, oh youth, are being seduced/By the greedy hands of politics and half truths/We're being sedated by the gasoline fumes/And hypnotised by the satellites/Into believing what is good and what is right
"There isn’t one of us here who doesn’t like NASCAR," which Kerry actually said, is roughly equivalent to "Who among us doesn't love NASCAR?"
I'm wondering why saying "we all like NASCAR" is considered more flattering to Kerry than the false quote.
It's pretty certain that Kerry doesn't spend his Saturday afternoons riveted to coverage of the Bubba 500 while popping open PBRs, and I, for one, am darn glad of it. It's kind of amusing that he'd throw any sort of kudos for car racing out there.
This seems like a tempest in a teapot. Can someone show me how the misquote is worse than the actual quote?
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we live in a country fucked up by our insane media...
anyway, at least the NYT has a monster article up now (16 web pages) for tomorrow's lead story about the skewed intelligence. Judith "I am a War Whore" Miller's by-line is nowhere to be seen, and there is some devastating stuff about the lies about the aluminum tubes... they fucking knew they weren't for nuclear weapons!
It was in this past week's Time magazine also. The writer was giving advice to both candidates and he recommended Kerry not use "who among us" and "nascar" in the same sentence.
brucds,
There's a post two or three down (the "Oops" one). The deletion has'nt propagated to my DNS yet.
Try http://64.62.196.6/.
Oh, for crying out loud. Is nothing too trite for MoDo? Why don't op ed writers every get in trouble for making stuff up? An opinion is one thing, but flat out lying (like Safire, Brooks, etc.)is just wrong
Urban legends are bad enough when they circulate by email, but the NY Times? Come on, this country deserves better than that.
tow
Her is the email address to Daniel Okrent, the Ombudsman for the Times: public@nytimes.com. Email him as much as you possibly can.
Please don't feed the nolls*.
Thank you.
*Nader trolls
Atilla the Nun
Shouldn't that be "Nulls"?
That should be here is the address.
Here's one George Bush was distinctly heard to utter in a recent meeting with Dick Cheney:
"Who among us, Dick, is not an AWOL theiving coke-sniffing nazi puppet of the Oil&Nukes Boys Club?"
And those were his EXACT words.
anyway, at least the NYT has a monster article up now (16 web pages) for tomorrow's lead story about the skewed intelligence. Judith "I am a War Whore" Miller's by-line is nowhere to be seen, and there is some devastating stuff about the lies about the aluminum tubes... they fucking knew they weren't for nuclear weapons!
You just made my day. Miller should get the pink slip along with her Dear Leader.
if you are looking for modo's email address, it used to be posted (but no longer) and was: liberties@nytimes.com
i used it recently and it didn't bounce back. so presumably still active.
You know, when I was at University of Denver, studying to be an Ink-stained Wretch, they taught us a few things. One of those things was "ethics". You know, essentially reporting the news, sourcing, confirmation, telling the truth. Little things like that.
These idiots have all of the professional technique of small-town gossips. The ones who burn through a bottle of "cooking sherry" at a rate not unlike that of one lap of NASCAR racing. More like NHRA racing, actually.
Are there no longer ANY consequences for reporters authoring and getting into print bald-faced lies? Is that what we have come to?
Fromt the NYT article about the liars occupying the WH:
"The [aluminum]tubes quickly became a critical exhibit in the administration's brief against Iraq. As the only physical evidence the United States of Mr. Hussein's revived nuclear ambitions, they gave credibility to the apocalyptic imagery invoked by President Bush and his advisers. The tubes were "only really suited for nuclear weapons programs," Condoleezza Rice, the president's national security adviser, asserted on CNN on Sept. 8, 2002. "We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud."
But before Ms. Rice made those remarks, she was aware that the government's foremost nuclear experts had concluded that the tubes were most likely not for nuclear weapons at all, an examination by The New York Times has found. As early as 2001, her staff had been told that these experts, at the Energy Department, believed the tubes were probably intended for small artillery rockets, according to four officials at the Central Intelligence Agency and a senior administration official, all of whom spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the information.
"She was aware of the differences of opinion," the senior administration official said in an interview authorized by the White House. "She was also aware that at the highest level of the intelligence community, there was great confidence that these tubes were for centrifuges."
Ms. Rice's alarming description on CNN was in keeping with the Bush administration's overall treatment of the tubes. Senior administration officials repeatedly failed to fully disclose the contrary views of America's leading nuclear scientists, The Times found. They sometimes overstated even the most dire intelligence assessments of the tubes, yet minimized or rejected the strong doubts of their own experts. They worried privately that the nuclear case was weak, but expressed sober certitude in public.
The result was a largely one-sided presentation to the public that did not convey the depth of evidence and argument against the administration's most tangible proof of a revived nuclear weapons program in Iraq."
I am pretty certain that that motherfucker Rice told us point blank that she was not aware of the expert's view that the aluminum tubes were not nuclear-weapons related b/c they were only stated in the footnotes of the NIE and she did not read them.
Makes me fucking angry!
Perhaps MoDo shares a talent with Nancy Reagan?
Helios,
Funny. I heard that too. Why hasn't Dowd&Co. picked up on it?
May they forever rot in whatever heinous realm that they squat.
Only slightly OT:
This is what happens when media hacks are left to their own devices:
Guiliani Wins Lands' Ends Votes For Bush
Undecided Voter Calls Speach [sic] 'Incredible'
http://tinyurl.com/6qsam
... and THIS is what happens, after they get CALLED ON IT:
Lands' End Employees Say Tricked Into Seeing Giuliani
Employee: 'Not All Lands' End Employees Support Bush'
http://tinyurl.com/5zr9y
See? Same news outlet; 180-degree opposite spin, the next day.
IT CAN BE CONTROLLED! Vigilance!
My fellow Bloggers in Pajamas:
We must not merely complain to each other. Let's put some pressure on those who continue the hacktacular. We did it with Luntz. Don't you think we can do it with Cameron, Myers and Dowd? We have strength in numbers!
wow -- just reading the nyt article. interesting how it's published just in time for tomorrow morning's talk shows.
tell me the spooks aren't out to bring down bushco. i'm beginning to wonder if he'll even be able to make it till january when kerry is sworn in.
Smarty,
The times also has an article in today' paper about the "viciousness and vindictiveness" of the WH toward the CIA.
I hope the CIA starts leaking their asses off.
its unbecoming for media types like Lisa Myers, Carl Cameron and MoDo to soil themselves. Its kind of stinky, too.
BTW, great job tracking that quote down... as Alex Trebek would say, "well done!"
Kerry beats Bush ... in US marine latrines
Some of the graffiti from the US Marines toilet stalls in the Al-Asad Airbase in Western Iraq:
If you are a retard, vote Bush. He is too!
Here I sit cheeks a-flexin'. Bout to make another Texan.
You're not fighting for America. You're fighting for fucked-up politics. End of story Cinderella.
By the way, from now on as soon as anyone disparages Kerry for being lockjaw, staid, patrician, wordy, etc, just throw it back in their faces saying Kerry's style doesn't matter. He only won the debate against Bush on his 'style', right?
Unfreak'nbeleivable
i've always hated rudy. he may have cleaned up new york city, but he'll always be a filthy pig to me.
We distinctly remember hearing about the tubes coming up under Clinton and being dismissed as bullshit, then coming up later and being dismissed again (this time as bullshit), and our thinking when we heard Bush trying to push this was, "this is like Nixon trying to claim Ho Chi Minh is in league with Tojo-don't they know that's ridiculous and fucking BEEN DISPROVED YEARS AGO?!"
Somerby did some work tracking all that down; kind of like having to wade around in the sewer to find where the break in the pipe is.
Thanks, Bob.
Barry Champlain - thank you for that story about Lands End. We can make them change. They didn't get this way by themselves or overnight. They got this way through relentless right wing pressure, including lots and lots of bitching by wingers in letters to papers and media outlets. We're turning the tables on them. We cannot let up.
bkny, bigvic,
yeahm there is war being waged within our government.
The WSJ editorial weirdo's said that Bush had to put down two insurgencies in order to win the war on terror. The insurgency in:
1) Iraq and
2) a rebellious CIA that is undermining the president.
After Bush loses, I say the CIA rounds him up and parachutes him into Baghdad and see where he lands.
smarty, you know what's incredible, i read about those contrary reports long before the war started, don't know where, but i'm sure it wasn't the times.
That NYT article about the CIA and the WH turned up in the Dallas paper, too. I dunno - I watched and waited for the CIA to really pull the plug on this administration for a year. It hasn't happened yet. I'm not depending on the spooks for anything any more.
It's up to us, and we're actually making it happen. Kerry in a landslide, baby.
As far as I am concerned, a liberal trying to win the die-hard nascar fan voters is like Clinton trying to win the evangelica christian voters. It's a lost cause so why bother?
I know NASCAR fans who are going to vote for Kerry.
I also know evangelical Christians who voted for Clinton, and will vote for Kerry. (hint: evangelical Christians are not all white, and they don't all live in the South. But even if they were, they wouldn't vote for Bush as a monolithic bloc.)
But intelligent human beings, whether they're NASCAR fans, evangelical Christians, or whatever, usually know when they're being pandered to by a lying politician.
On the other hand, there is utterly no point to gratuitously making ignorant comments such as this one, which can serve only to alienate any evangelicals or NASCAR fans who are thinking about voting Democratic.
Much ado about nothing.
i've always hated rudy. he may have cleaned up new york city, but he'll always be a filthy pig to me.
charley
The repuke establishment has told him if he doesn't back Bush 110%, he'll never have a chance at being president running as a republican, same with McCain--not sure what Dole was all about. But those are three I will never vote for anytime the rest of my life.
In black magic marker, a soldier scrawled a maxim from Plato that rings true whoever wins the November election: "Only the dead have seen the end of war."
I gotta leave it to my Marine Brothers - for they know the true score.
(from the yahoo Marine story)
Semper Fidelis
I seem to remember reading an article at The Bulletin of Atomic Scientists that pretty much scoffed at the idea of the aluminum tubes being used to construct gas centrifuges. And they would know.
smarty, you know what's incredible, i read about those contrary reports long before the war started, don't know where, but i'm sure it wasn't the times.
charley
I think what is new here is that Rice and everyone else knew at teh time that they were scaring us to death is that our own lead experts concluded that the tubes were not for nuclear purposes.
Of course, shortly after Powell's embarrasing speech before the UN the IAEA concluded that the tubes were for artillery or other purposes as they were ill-suited for nuclear weapon production.
But what was that asshole's response:
Shock and Awe, baby!
Shock and Awe!
This seems like a tempest in a teapot. Can someone show me how the misquote is worse than the actual quote?
First of all the misquote, "Who among us doesn't like Nascar?" is a question, and by standing alone it seems to imply that Kerry is offering some sort of challenge. The real quote is a trivial statement and was embedded in another sentence in which Kerry was trying to make a much larger, more important point: Bush was having a good time watching a car race while a war is raging in Iraq, jobs are being lost, etc.
The second problem comes into play with the word among. Although it's a two-syllable word, it's used mostly by educated and literate people. You don't often hear Joe Sixpack using the word among. Hence, it makes Kerry look pretentious among the common folk.
Although this tempest in a teapot does indeed appear quite silly and inconsequential, you have to think back to 2000 when made-up stories about very trivial matters helped Bu$hCo get into the White House.
Rudy Giuliani is totally delusional if he thinks for a second that he has any chance in hell of being prez or vice-prez. Please. He has more problems in his background than anyone next to the Chimpster himself.
McCain - wants it bad. I hope to hell he never gets elected to anything again - he has ended up looking like the biggest whore out there. Talk about anyone who'll say anything at all for political gain - it's McCain. Fucking little twit.
But then, the ONLY TIME Condi Rice is ACTUALLY DOING HER JOB is when she is shilling lies for the administration. Apparently.
Rudy Giuliani got something for it but we'll never know what he was promised or what they gave him.
Tena:
It's not just Land's End! More importantly, it's this WISC-TV; some local, cornfed, blow-dried TV news department, getting a woody over Bush and Rudy.
But given a little feedback (it's obvious that's what happened, after the first story hit), they amend their story to reveal that oh look, it's yet another case of a Republican company forcing its wage slaves to toe the company line.
Which, for my money, is a bigger story than "Campaign comes to Mayberry; fans of Our Leader kvell deeply!"
Media outlets like this need to be instructed (read "bitch-slapped") that if "lib'rul bias" is unacceptable, we sure as shit are not gonna put up with antics like this.
Fuck Land's End; beat up every local TV station that pulls this crap, until they do the right thing!
Much ado about nothing.
Al Gore said he invented the internet!
Al Gore said he was the inspiration for "Love Story."
Al Gore claimed he discovered Love Canal!
This is much ado about something!
jeez, so what? aren't there more important things to waste time over?
Bad timing, lea-p.
Why do our press hacks, who protest so much about the importance of "balance", care so little about simple truth?
MisterX, I think you're in the wrong thread 
.
I was at a celebrity event the other day and Tiger Woods told me that he was disturbed by a conversation he had with Big Pharma. Tiger said that Big Pharma casually let it drop that he was rounding up 3 new recruits for Scalia's orgy club, and asked if Tiger would be interested.
I said that was sick, and that he should talk to MoDo. We'll see if she goes with it.
Jim in LA,
and Americans are exporting fascism to other countries. The national Canadian newspaper is the Globe and Mail, which is usually conservative fiscally but middle-of-the-road socially. They have an American columnist who is on a mission from God to repeal socialized health care! (this is after dropping the mantra that the Iraq war was a good thing!)
Sorry, I just can't describe the feelings of revulsion this illicits in me. And, when we look at who in Canada is pushing this kind of right wing crazy agenda, it's often Americans who have taken up residence in this country.
I can't imagine what these rightist wing nuts must be doing in places like Bolivia or Tajikistan! Bringing the world back to the 16th century no doubt.
And, this is the way the entire world increasingly views all Americans.
the senior administration official said in an interview authorized by the White House.
cough
i forwarded the rudy story to the local nyc tabloids. doubt the post will do anything with it. but the daily news might be interested.
I can't imagine what these rightist wing nuts must be doing in places like Bolivia or Tajikistan! Bringing the world back to the 16th century no doubt.
That's right. The fundies want to take us back to the 16th century when they were at the height of their power and the Islamic fundamentalists want to take us back to the 6th when they were at their height of theirs.
MisterX, I think you're in the wrong thread .
Magnum
Weird synchronicities, man.
Haha. Thanks, Barry, for posting about Lands' End. They say there's always two sides to a story. heh.
When Guiliani's involved, look for deception. He can't be trusted.
Why on earth did they think they'd be able to get away with this? Shows you want they think of the intelligence level of their employees, doesn't it?
(Why do people have such a hard time correctly spelling *speech*? It was misspelled in the other article, too.)
Windsurfing requires skill, strength, and stamina. Have you ever tried it?
And let's not forget that Kerry's 60.
He also snowboards, and plays hockey. I've seen him play hockey and he's pretty good on the ice. He's in great shape for an older guy. Why is he being mocked for doing things that 90% of the population couldn't even attempt at any age? He's cool get over it.
Incognito sez:
Islamic fundamentalists want to take us back to the 6th when they were at their height of theirs.
More like 12th century. Islam didn't exist in the 6th.
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I read somewhere recently that the ultimate source of "who amongst us does not love NASCAR.." was a humorist's article.
Why is presenting a forged quote without verfiying it less serious than what Dan Rather did?
i read a study a few years back claiming that red hair dye causes brain cell degeneration. maybe this explains one maureen dowd.
Why is presenting a forged quote without verfiying it less serious than what Dan Rather did?
Someone should ask Carl Cameron.
Incognito sez:
Islamic fundamentalists want to take us back to the 6th when they were at their height of theirs.
More like 12th century. Islam didn't exist in the 6th.
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spork_incident
You're right. After I posted that, I had one of those thoughts, like, that was totally wrong but it's too late, now. It's out there. (Should have posted a correction.) I was thinking about the 10th or 11th century for the Islamics. Anyway, for both religious fanatics, it would be a bad idea for us. But you'll have to agree that both want to take us back to the zenith of their power.
JFK - Yes, let's put Kerry windsurfing next to the Prez falling off his bike, his Segway, his couch and refusing to take his physical.
Hmmm...
Hey, I'm just waking up! Had a rough night. Haven't had enough caffeine yet! Ahiiight?
PS - On Bush falling off of stuff and not taking his physical - Mr. Tena, and apparently this idea is rumbling around just under the surface all over the place, is of the opinion that Bushit is drinking again.
The results of the president's physical is always made public. Bush didn't take his physical. The most simple explanation for that failure is that there is something that the administration doesn't want the public to know.
That may not be the reason, but it makes sense. Why isn't there more in the media about Bush's failure to take his physical? There should be and there would be if this was Clinton we were talking about. In fact, the press whores would all be speculating that Clinton missed his physical because he has syphilis from all his sexual indiscretions.
JFK - Yes, let's put Kerry windsurfing next to the Prez falling off his bike, his Segway, his couch and refusing to take his physical.
Don't forget oafishly dropping his poor doggy on the ground. What animal lover among us was not utterly appalled over that one?
Maybe the x-rays show that Bush's brain has withered to the size of a walnut.
Either that, or he's got the Guinea Worm!
tell that maureen dowd that John F. Kerry is most like my character Mr. Darcy in Pride and Prejudice, not like Mr. Collins at all
queen crab - Jeez, I didn't know Bushit had dropped poor ol' Barney. Is Barney ok?
Can you say "copy and paste", kids?
***************************
To: retrace@nytimes.com
Maureen Dowd misquoted John Kerry (3/18/04) as saying:"Who among us doesn't like NASCAR?"
John Kerry's actual words were: "There isn't one of us here who doesn't like NASCAR and who isn't a fan."
Sound clip at http://www.slate.com/id/2107251/
...ContinueArticle
Perhaps the Times and/or Ms. Dowd might consider, you know, apologizing for the misquote and Ms. Dowd's subsequent caricature of Senator Kerry as "Mr. Collins, Elizabeth Bennet's pretentious cousin in ''Pride and Prejudice''"?
Sincerely,
Tena, I brought up the possibility of Bush being back on the bottle yesterday. He sure looked a bit in the bag on Thursday night. Another commentator here, however, poo-pooed that notion while offering the possibility of some psychoactive medication, eg, antidepressant, antianxiolytic, antipsychotic, etc. Either explanation certainly seems plausible.
Okay...the final results areon Thursday's debate in:
"More people, by about a 3-to-1 margin, bought toilet paper Friday emblazoned with the president's face from the online company justtoiletpaper.com. Co-owner Marc Polish said that really was a win for Kerry..." (from Knight-ridder)
"the final results are in on...." sorry - my typing is getting as bad as my handwriting
Tena,
Yes, the pooch is fine, thank goodness. A couple of kids who witnessed it looked a bit traumatized, though. Link to picture and story:
http://tinyurl.com/3mxr8
Maureen Dowd has a hollow middle. She has not ethics at all. That's why she is like one of those rusty rooster weathervanes, trying to predict where the power might be tomorrow and turning her butt to reflect that. It's really very sad.
I wouldn't be surprised if Kerry does like NASCAR. Kerry obviously enjoys sports and NASCAR is, after all, car racing, an invention of (gasp!) the French! I can see why an American car racing fan would embrace the working class adoption of the elitist Grand Prix to our own, more plebeian version of the sport.
Why isn't there more in the media about Bush's failure to take his physical? There should be and there would be if this was Clinton we were talking about.
I even tried to find a atory about this yesterday and couldn't. Perhaps I was typing the wrong keys words in Google.
Still, if there were a good reason for this, surely they'd say. Not good. Wonder if there's something seriously wrong with him, besides the fact that he acts like there's something seriously wrong with him.
Is Barney ok?
Tena
Those are stupid little dogs. Figures Bush would pick that breed.
Pie - It's not a trivial story and it's not a trivial matter - this is the preznit, after all. The public has every right to know if the preznit has something going on with him medically that makes his performance suffer (ha ha! How could one tell, right?) If this was a real presidency, with a real media dedicated to its real position in a representative democracy, then we'd already know the answer.
Who among us has not invented the Internet?
Who amongst doesn't thing wee w gave the worst performance in a presidential debate . . . ever.
Other than Ross Perot's batshit crazy appearance, I can't think of any that came close.
It was so bad the (w)hore's haven't been able to spin it into anything but a solid ass kicking.
It has apparently driven the local brownshirts to desperation. The Kerry/Edwards sign in our yard disappeared as did a friends'.
I take it as a victory.
Incredible. Sad. Yet so typical.
I'm so embarassed for my profession. So often.
queen crab - thanks for the tinyurl link.
count me among those who think Bush is heavily medicated - I think they all are. Hell, Colin Powell said so some time back. That doesn't preclude Bush also drinking; it doesn't preclude any of them from also drinking and Cheney is well known to be a two-fisted drinker in his own right.
he's drinking, maybe no one else see's it but anyone who has lived around alcoholics or been one and then went back on the bottle would know. let's put it this way, if i were his sponser he'd be getting a call, which he would probably rebuff.
yea, i see what you mean smarty, i didn't really catch that. then again i knew they were lying from the get go.
Who amoung us doen't love chichi humourists?
Kerry doesn't need to pander to win the vote of the blue collar worker. I live in Worcester, MA. Worcester is considered a blue collar kind of place. When Kerry ran against the popular governor, William Weld, for the senate seat, it was Worcester who came out in force to rally behind him. We turned out the vote bigtime, and helped put Kerry over the top to win. In 1999 Worcester had a terrible fire at an abandoned cold storage building. We lost 6 of our firefighters that night, because they thought that a homeless couple might still be inside. One of the men was a member of my church, and my son's boy scout leader. Kerry came to the aid of the families immediately and stayed until the last body was recovered - about 2 weeks. Have you ever wondered why the firefighter's union backed Kerry? Kerry's a rich guy, but he's a man of the people, too. It's been frustrating for me to watch the press mock him on a daily basis.
Bush took us to war for no reason, and the people, in their hearts, know it.
I go with medication. Drink shows up on the breath. I bet he's medicated six ways from Sunday. Won't go near a physical again.
I am so sick and tired of a country that lives by sound bites.
Are Americans' attention spans THAT short?
I can remember when intelligence was respected in this country...not viewed with suspicion and derision.
Incidentally, we have a lot of NASCAR fans in the town where I live - and they DON'T like Bush!
I've said it before and I'll say again,
I saw Kerry say the NASCAR quote on TV
after the Daytona 500.
He was responding to a question about Bush
showing up at the Daytona 500.
It was a throw away video bite on local news to counter the Bush coverage.
"Those are stupid little dogs. Figures Bush would pick that breed."
There are no stupid dogs...or bad dogs...just stupid...and bad....owners.
If this was a real presidency, with a real media dedicated to its real position in a representative democracy, then we'd already know the answer.
Hmm. Would we, or should we, have known the details of Kennedy's Addisonism? His STDs? His liberal use of various prescription drugs?
How about Nixon's Dilantin habit? Eisenhower's Crohn disease? Whatever it was that put FDR in the wheelchair? How about the hypertension, anemia, hemorrhoids, malignant melanoma, GI trouble, and cardiac problems that kept his doctors busy for most of WWII?
How about the fact that Calvin Coolidge slept eleven hours a day?
What this NYT story does (Even though much of it is a rehash with some new stuff) is bring the faulty and made-up intel back into the forefront, especially before Edwards-Cheney debate.
That sob never answered the country for his role in the war.
What we lost due to CBS's withdrawal of the niger story, NYT brought it back with a different angle.
Edwards-Cheney debate was going to be a low key domestic issues kind of debate.
Now, I can see it coming up a "World against Cheney" kind of debate.
Edwards should knock him out, like there is no tomorrow.
Regarding Chimpy's probable current state of chemical imbalance:
I might be the person Queen Crab remembers. I don't pooh pooh people who think the primate has been enjoying the products of fermentation, but as we all know he's very heavily managed and it just seems unlikely to me that they would let him get his taste. But in order to keep him from freaking out, they have to medicate him, which in this situation would mean tranks, basically. So then they have to jack him up to appear in public, which could be ritalin or even dex. So he's really getting jerked around between the meds and the sociopathy and the brain damage.
It's hard, as we all know, it's hard work being the president it's hard work to love all those widows of men you have murdered. It's only natural for a guy to want a drink once in a while.
Drink shows up on the breath
Who, other than his enablers, gets close enough to Bush to know?
Who among us doesn't love Bob Somerby and the Daily Howler?
chimp hater: Sorry, false memory syndrome at best. It's on tape, as quoted by Atrios above.
charley - If you're still here, I'm betting the article you read in the run-up to war which expressed scepticism about the aluminum tubes was a Knight-Ridder article. They were the only ones to express scepticism, consistently, about the WMD claims.
if you are looking for modo's email address, it used to be posted (but no longer) and was: liberties@nytimes.com
How appropriate. As in "taking liberties."
Kate, Knight Ritter was indeed one of the few skeptical news orgs. I also recall that the European press was all over it too. I referenced the foriegn press and the IAEA when giving a speech critiquing Powell's presentation- he presented so many lies it was a wonder that the Security Council wasn't booing him outta' there.
Dowd is a hack. She's sharp witted, but soulless. Those of us with memories longer than a couple of years know she's an opportunistic poisoned-pen-for-hire. She's been eviscerating the Bushmasters quite skillfully lately, but never forget, she's a fairweather friend to the Left. MoDo's a material girl, and her only real loyalty is to MoDo.
I just wish that Somerby were a bit less repetitive/ranting. He is so freaking awesome; he really nails the Kool Kids, and his outrage at their smarminess and incompetence is spot on and thoroughly justified. I just think he could cut almost every other paragraph and his point would be stronger for it. Of course, it wouldn't be the Howler, then, would it? Flame away, y'all.
Dowd obviously thinks she's a liberal but her bizarre and obnoxious moralizing about other people's behavior -- who among us wasn't nauseated by her vicious attacks on the Clintons? -- and her fixation on personality as destiny, feed and support the radical Right's PR themes. Like the radical Right, she diverts attention from the outward empirical truth of policy, behavior, and outcome, and towards some unknowable inner "truth" of (virtuous) intention and personality.
Of course she makes stuff up. She's a self-righteous prig. Like a broken clock, once in a while she's right (for example on Bush). But that's entirely accidental, since what the columns are really about is her.
I'm not a NASCAR fan.
And I don't love Raymond either.
Oh well.
And I don't love Raymond either.
Raymond story line template.
Ray acts like 12-year-old.
Wife gets angry.
Mother interfers. Insults wife.
Wife gets angry.
Ray acts like 12-year-old mama's boy.
Wife gets angry.
Father comes looking for food, says something offensive.
Mother gets angry.
Wife tries to understand how this fits into the article she read.
Ray wants sex.
Wife gets angry.
Brother comes looking for food....
On the other hand he made fun of Dr. Laura in an early episode. But it's gone on way too long.
Oh, yeah, Dowd and co. Typical establishment assholes lying for profit, not fun. NYT style, WaPost style is similar but has some local features. This is "haaarrd work" of the type Bush whined about in his speech. She'll say something mean about Bushco to "balance" this out. Funny how those Bushco digs seem to be so much heavier than the mountain of Digs for Democrats. Takes one of the former to balance hundreds of the latter.
You don't think he meant for the troops do you?
We remember catching Romano's stand-up and some appearances on the aggressively mediocre, unanimated, low-concept stand-up template "Dr Katz", and have seen a little more than we could stand of his show. There was never any possible indication from talent or material that this man is a comedian or that he has any business attempting to be funny. Since his style is whiny nebbish and Danza's is intellectually challenged asshole, he actually makes Tony Danza look...well, he's worse than Danza.
Yeah! Damn that MoDo!
And Thomas Friedman wants to go get daquiris with her! There ought to be a law!
At this point, all you can do is smack Bovino around with it, not that he'll care any more than anyone else in the Press will that has used it. As John Ford "said" in "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance" -
"Print the legend..."
Shorter NY Times:
Hey, Fox News, when we make stuff up it is harder for people to figure out!
Lazy journalists. They cherry pick Dowd's erroneous comments. The media sucks ass.. something needs to be done about it. Thank you Media Matters.
Give us a break. Maybe Kerry didn't use 18th century verbiage, but he did try to appeal to the beer and noise crowd -guys with Confederate flags on their pickups that Dean lusted after. Your partisanship is getting in the way of common sense. If this is the worst scandal you can find, how lucky we are. The real scandal is that Kerry tried to out hawk Bush in the debate.
The source of the quote, Sheryl Gay Stolberg, recently wrote a complete suckup piece about Right Wing lunatic sterilizer OK Sen. candidate Coburn: "A Senate Race in Oklahoma Lifts the Right" (9/19/04)
/query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?
res=FB0E16F83F5D0C7A8DDDA00894DC404482&
incamp=archive:search
Not hard to believe she'd doctor a Kerry quote to make him look bad.
I have Kerry's actual quote right here:
"NASCAR F*CKIN' RULES!"
Cheers,
DMCG
Who among us doesn't like the liberal media bias?
Everyone should email these objective reporters to ask them to be a little more objective next time.
Especially this Aaron Zelinsky: "Don't speak in elegant sentences. ...He also needs to connect with rank-and-file Americans. ...He ditched the Brahmin lilt a while back..."
"Brahmin lilt"??? Come on, Zelinsky, don't you think that's a little over the top of "rank-and-file Americans"? Why don't you take your journalist ass and do some real reporting, and throw in some analysis there if you can. Please, stop spouting the same old tired commentary on Kerry.
Who would Americans rather have as a President? Someone who can't put two sentences together, let alone one without making up words, or as Zelinsky says, someone who speaks in elegant sentences? I think most Americans would welcome an elegant speaker in office.
Yikes. It seems like all that was missing was 'purple monkey dishwasher'. I will stick up for Harper, though - he's usually pretty good.
EPT - brilliant Everybody Loves Raymond template. He was OK as a stand-up, but the sitcom format sucks the life right out of almost all stand-up comedians. I never much liked the show because it seemed like they all bloody well hated each other, even Raymond!
I must recommend the show Corner Gas to any and all Canadians here (& maybe a few Americans, if you get the right channels). I can't go a week without it!
NASCAR dad neighbor put a Kerry sign in their yard. Good folks want none of Bushco.
He knows it costs more to live now, and his tax rebate was nothing compared.
NASCAR dads, like security moms, are worthless characterizations meant to reduce the hopes, dreams, fears and aspirations of millions of hard working Americans to a sound bite. This is how heartless marketeers work - they create a "persona" which is really just a caricature. A shorthand for trying to figure out how to get people to vote against their interests.
Send EMails people.
The EMail IDs of these people are:
"Maureen Dowd"
"Daniel Okrent"
"Columbia Journalism Review"
stolberg@nytimes.com,ombud@globe.com,fornat@thesta
r.ca,readerep@courant.com,foreign@newsday.com,dham
ill@edit.nydailynews.com,news@edit.nydailynews.com
That didn't come out right. liberties@nytimes.com is Maureen Dowd.
liberties@nytimes.com,
public@nytimes.com,cjrtips@jrn.columbia.edu,
stolberg@nytimes.com,ombud@globe.com,fornat@thesta
r.ca,readerep@courant.com,foreign@newsday.com,dham
ill@edit.nydailynews.com,news@edit.nydailynews.com
I don't know.
"Who among us does not love NASCAR?"
doesn't seem to be too awful far from
"There isn't one of us here who doesn't like NASCAR and who isn't a fan..."
I guess I don't see why this particular thing is such a big deal.
I mean, really, there's so much else to nail them on...
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