I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
first
second?
fucking bastards.
oh...turd.
Terra, terra, terra, terra, TERRA!
Kobe!, Martha!, Laci!
Terra! Terra! Terra!
VOTE BUSH OR YOUR CHILDREN WILL DIE!
do we need any more proof that these people creamed their jeans over 9/11?
that the very first thing on their mind was, 'how can we play this to our advantage to the max?'
disgusting.
I'm scared. Please protect me, Mr. President. You're my only hope.
This is a bunch of BS. My question in regard to safer schools. Is why did it take nearly 3 years to take measures to protect our kids? To me this just points out how unsafe soft targets are in this country and it takes a tragedy in Russia before they move on it. This administration and homeland security have failed to think outside of the box.
Is it just me or is it fucking amazing that this president could single-handedly rescue Ronald Reagan from the ignominy of being the worst president in US history? I don't even want to go piss on Ronny's grave anymore. He is a pathetic joke next to the current sociopathic assclown.
to security moms
VOTE for Bush or your children will DIE
i am George Bush and i approve and ENCOURAGE this message
The insurgents will just go to ground and pop back up later. Hopefully, on Oct 31.
And, just for your entertainment, MSNBC reported that the "plans" found in Iraq were for particular schools in particular states. Now those states are (where did I put that battleground state list??) Oregon, Michigan, New Jersey, Florida, and CA. Gee, maybe I should check the polls in CA again, is bush closing?
There are a couple of other states they listed but aside from CA, they were all battleground states. Can it get any more blatant than that?
My opinon? NO.
josh, it's not just you. I couldn't imagine a more detached from reality President than Rocket Ronnie, but the fratboy coward makes him look positively Churchillian by comparison, to use the favorite meme of the shit-for-brains talking heads.
About a week ago, HBO showed the movie, Masterminds at around 6:30 am. It is about Patrick Stewart and goons taking over a school for ransom and a hacker kid fighting them.
My 10-year-old liked it and went merrily to school after it was over.
And of course, the Iraqi dude in question probably was looking at the plans to see how to improve the schools (THE SCHOOLS!) in Iraq: put the teacher's lounge over here, the bathrooms over there...
OT:
I was reading The Art of Worldly Wisdom, Baltasar Gracián (1601-165
, and this entry jumped at me. This is exactly what BushCo did not do:
59: End well. If you enter the house of Fortune through the door of pleasure, you will leave through the door of sorrow, and vice versa. So be careful of the way you end things, and devote more attention to a successful exit than to a highly applauded entrance.
This entire school terror alert ploy is the most outrageous, disgusting and blatant attempt to fear monger I've seen in practice since I saw tape of Joe McCarthy trying to scare Americans shitless with the threat of the big Red Commies.
On another note - I was just looking outside, and down the street, there is a pickup parked in front of a house. The pickup is doing car blogging - there is a huge "W stands for Wrong" on the back window, where traditionally one would see a gun rack. Heh.
josh,
I can't wait to piss on Bush 43's grave.
Note to Secret Service: this is not a threat; bush is 30-40 years older than me, I can afford to wait. Unless he deploys my sorry, draft-eligible ass to Iran or Syria sometime in the next few years...
I'm wondering if all this fear mongering won't have serious blow back on B/C '04.
Too many cries of wolf, too close to an election.
If we do take a terror hit before Nov. 2, the public might not be so understanding having been held in fear for so long.
I'm not so sure if reeling in OBL before the election is going to matter so much anymore. It may look too conveniently timed for even the most ignorant of voters.
And no, the media will not hold these people accountable. Not their job. Their job is to take down the Kerry administration.
Our school actively teaches "respect" and, in essence, pacifism. Not my favorite part of the curriculum but it is giving my kinds practice at skepticims and cynicism!
But in any event what are we going to DO about this "alert"? Give our pacifist principal an M-14 and 2000 rounds of ammo? Station National Guard troops outside every school? Oops - can't to that - they are in Iraq. 9mm Glocks for all boys over the age of 8 (girls too in red states such as ours)?
Help me on this one.
Crankyh
int argc, you could phrase it differently. I can't wait to toast his life by pouring a bottle of single malt scotch over his grave, after straining through my kidneys first.
...in which case I'll probably be dead even before his dissolute life style catches up with him.
Realized I could use some clarification there (!)
The districts mentioned are in Georgia, Florida, Michigan, New Jersey, Oregon and California. The officials said last month FBI agents in charge of those areas alerted local education and law enforcement officials about the finding.
Ohio and PA not mentioned. I guess that would make it too obvious.
Kenneth Bigley beheaded...MSNBC just confirmed.
Not sure if this is the same story, but check this out. Ridge says that the disk finding had nothing to do with the your kids are dead alert?
WTF?
Iraq Disk Mentions U.S. Schools
By ERIC LICHTBLAU
WASHINGTON, Oct. 7 - A computer disk found in Iraq with diagrams and photographs of some American schools has prompted the F.B.I. to contact several districts around the country, but officials said Thursday that they saw no immediate threat.
"We are unaware of any information that indicates a specific terrorist plot toward any school in the United States," said Brian Roehrkasse, a spokesman for the Department of Homeland Security.
American military officials in Iraq discovered the computer disk several months ago. It had photos of schools in about a half-dozen states, including New Jersey, Florida and California, as well as diagrams and emergency information for the school districts that had apparently been downloaded from government Web sites, officials said.
In what officials described as a precautionary move, the F.B.I. several weeks ago began contacting school districts to alert them to the material found on the disk and determine where the information had originated.
"We don't know what any of it means, and we don't have any information on actual threats to U.S. schools," said a federal law enforcement official who spoke on condition of anonymity. "But we take everything seriously these days, and we wanted to ascertain where this information came from, so the schools could help us with that."
The existence of the computer disk was first reported by The San Diego Union-Tribune after a school district there was contacted by the F.B.I.
Homeland Security officials said the alert issued by the Education Department was not related to the discovery of the disks in Iraq.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE implement a button for these comments. Please?
Cranky
This morning on our weekly public radio political talk show, the Republican shill stated that a CD had been discovered that had the layouts of six US schools. He went on to say that we need to worry about a Breslan-style siege of our schools. Looks like the rethugs have their talking points for the day.
Oddbit
So since the only way we can have a plan is to have Kerry, why not just elect the guy. If Kerry isn't running, Bush has no plan, and no plans to get a plan; when Kerry's running Bush tries to get a plan (or clue in his case). And Kerry himself has a plan.
So to get a plan for Iraq, we can either hope Kerry will continue to run in a perpetual election campaign, thereby forcing Bush to try to make a plan, or we can elect Kerry. And since we can't have a perpetual election campiagn, the only way to continue to have a plan is to elect Kerry.
Bush logic.
We needed tax cuts because there was a huge surplus and we needed to get money back to the people. Now that we have a deficit, that only proves that we needed the tax cuts because the deficit would have been much worse had we not passed them.
We needed to invade Iraq because Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. Now that we know he did NOT have them, that only proves that we were right because we stopped him from developing them.
We need to vote for George Bush because he has kept us safe from terrorist attacks since 9/11. Should there be an attack before the election, that only proves that the terrorists hate George Bush, and therefore we should still vote for him.
News from Off-Topicistan:
and apologies in advance for pollution the great nation of Eschatonia with an Andy Sullivan quote.
I'd say a clear and decisive Kerry win is now the likeliest outcome of this election. Bush's only hope is to tear Kerry apart. He can't defend his record. Every day, the news undermines it. He is losing this campaign in the final stretch. So he needs to attack. And when a Rove candidate needs to attack to survive, it's going to get ugly. Real, real ugly.
Over at Litte Green Freakout, the natives are certain this proves Iraqi terrists are planning to attack US schools, drawing up lists of local mosques and fantasizing about killing arabs. Charles 'Squeaky' Johnson keeps them nicely stoked up, which is what he does. I don't doubt that his rabble-rousing is going to get some innocent citizens badly hurt or worse one day, if it hasn't already. If you've ever been curious about what a slavering far-right fascist nut-job looks like, here is a picture of Squeaky: http://tinyurl.com/6qzbv
Smarty luvs kitties and Paul Krugman!
Ignorance Isn't Strength
By PAUL KRUGMAN
I first used the word "Orwellian" to describe the Bush team in October 2000. Even then it was obvious that George W. Bush surrounds himself with people who insist that up is down, and ignorance is strength. But the full costs of his denial of reality are only now becoming clear...
Security Moms FOR KERRY:
http://bigpath.net/politics/
Secu...msforKerry.html
I know who you are. I have a CD with pdf's and gif's. Put $300,000 in a trashbag and leave it in the dumpster at Walnut and Main. Or I implement plan x.
Here are the results of a 2 second google search. These are the blueprints of the Greater Nanticoke New Lincoln School in Nanticoke PA.
http://www.gnasd.com/
kenlincblue...cblueprints.pdf
The Crayon of Death is prepared.
You rugrats had better be scared.
That goddamned pet goat
Might be a cutthroat.
Chimpy's fortitude must be repaired.
media trash:
For the extraordinary state of Ohio, Bush made an extraordinary effort. On Sept. 1, two executives and a reporter from the Columbus Dispatch were ushered up the front steps of Air Force One -- a treatment unheard of for journalists.
The White House suggested the venue after the newspaper asked Bush to meet with its editorial board. The front-page headline that emerged from the 45-minute interview was a quote from the president: "The Country's Getting Better."
OK, let me try again with the Irony sign blinking:
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE implement a Preview functionality for these comments.
Cranky
cranky...you own your typos. tough luck.
We need to vote for George Bush because he has kept us safe from terrorist attacks since 9/11. Should there be an attack before the election, that only proves that the terrorists hate George Bush, and therefore we should still vote for him.
Twisted logic, but you nailed it on the head. If we were attacked, it would backfire since most repubs I know still feel the number one reason to vote for Bush is because He
has kept us safe.
Personally I think we are safer. They will try everything in the power to make sure nothing happens before the election because they know it WILL backfire. Do I believe we will be safer in the long run-ABSOLUTELY NOT! This administration has created a lot of new enemies and Kerry may have to carry the burden of
Bushco mistakes.
OT but Bush is winning in this poll. Please take care of it. Url is in my homepage.
Actually I think it's more disgusting that they're admitting to launching a military offensive because the president finds it politically necessary to do so.
"Your son died a hero, ma'am; his sacrifice just might help the president get a half point advantage in Iowa."
What I can't figure out is that it takes a horrific incident and a suspect terror threat to make people think, schools could be a vulnerability.
Why wasn't this a big deal 24 hours after 9/11? It takes no leap of imagination. When we were attacked, we should have been talking about all the soft spots, not just a few.
The discs are of "recent vintage"? If it is true (doubtful) seems like it pokes holes in the argument that we are not breeding more terrorists by our aggressive militaristic approach to the war on terror.
The few security moms that are out there (its a myth) have got be wondering if we do have a boy who cried wolf president.
Smarty,
Ahem, you didn't respond on the previous thread about "your problem".
Smarty luvs kitties - SJ
With proper asurances about your vote....
What will the filly think of you if she sees HREF="http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/albums/
album25/horse_and_cat.jpg">THE PICTURE.
I'm thinking if Junior's numbers continue their free fall I should schedule, days before the election, a smallish dirty bomb explosion someplace dramatic within the continental US. In the panic our man with the bullhorn climbs fake rubble and declairs martial law...sweet, huh?
Oops meant to say, scroll down to where the band says live poll.
kp, here in Columbus, Ohio, some of us are still hopeful that the Dispatch will endorse Kerry. We shall see. It's traditionally Republican.
BBC reports that another wedding party was bombed... this time in Fallujah. Of course, the U.S. is saying its a precision strike against terrorists.
What I can't understand is why anyone would imagine that a preview button means that there will be error-free posts.
A preview is only as good as the proof reader reading it.
You can proof read your comments before you hit OK now. Just read it over before you hit the button. It's the same damned thing.
Look folks: Get over it, get used to it. More blood will be shed, more damage will be done...
I am reminded of G.C. Scott's character in Strangelove describing the chances of a b-52, with a good pilot, doing 500 knots,just off the deck, getting through to drop his weapon and trigger the Doomsday machine: NOTHING can prevent a well-planned, well-organized, well-equipped attack on ANY so-called 'soft' target.
Nothing except: Removing the pretext.
I am pretty sure that if the US govt stopped fucking around in the lives of the billion or so Muslims on the planet, whatsoever threat they represent to the peace and security of the average Murkin would pretty soon dissipate.
Now that would do nothing about stopping the Tim McVeys and Terry Nichols's of the country, of course.
BUT: As long as the US continues to engage in militaristic colonialism among the starving, ill-housed, diseased millions, we can expect to pay a price for it...Gay-RON-teed, cher...
There's no way the CD of floorplans could have been intended for use in building Iraqi schools. As we all know, the U.S. hasn't given Iraq any money to actually build schools, so it had to have been for terrorist purposes.
Karl, I frankly wasn't following the post. Its a cute photo, though.
Are you saying my filly will get jealous that I like cats?
Question about cloning... are cloned kitties destined for hell? where's my bishop when I need him?
Not to change the subject, but does anyone know about this "Bush wore and earpiece" story? This would explain how his handlers actually allowed him to enter the debate.
tena...
I think he wants to check his inline HTML tags before posting.
THe MSNBC poll has been at the same percentages for over 24 hours. I don't trust it.
Wanna see bush not only lose it but possibly freak out on national tv tonight?
Someone has to get Kerry to use Georgie's daddy in a rebuttal or response!
It just ATE THE CHIMPEROR UP when Kerry mentioned it. Dowd wrote an op/ed about it and everyone knows bush has an almmost maniacal freudian thing about his daddy.
Kerry, you have to zing him with something like
"when your father led a true coalition with broad international support to expel Saddam from Kuwait he did it in a way that satisfied what I referred to as a global test. International cooperation in an effort that turned out to be for legitimate reasons. Mr. President, you have failed that test and failed the same test of leadership that your father showed in the gulf war."
Assuming there actually is a CD for floor plans.
strangelove
Check www.bushiswired.com
Jack,
I would stay away from bringing up the Gulf War in such a manner. Kerry voted against it. Chimperor has even been using that line in his stump speeches: "Even a broad coalition like the Gulf War wouldn't have passed his 'global test'" and so on.
Lime:
You are one talented MoFo.
Atrios:
After the election, can we look forward to a retrospective featuring the works of the esteemed poet, L. Rickey?
"Personally I think we are safer."
Anonymous
You are as Lewis Black would put it "delusional"
You are not safer, not by a long shot.
What do we do with the people who say they are going to vote for Bush because there have been no more terror attacks here?
I propose that these people have to register their home addresses. If the Chimp wins and we are attacked again, we can then go to their homes and kick them in the ass.
Either that or hold a referendum vote.
I just heard some disturbing news. You won't believe it.
See, what y'all don't understand... wedding parties 'n' terrists... same thing really. God said marriage was between man and woman... fer... makin' babies and what not. Let me finish! So one day they have a baby, the OBGYN practices his love and it's a healthy boy. Now, my anti-terra policies are sure to radicalize this boy, and make him a terrist himself. So what I'm doing, see... is pre-empting this terrorist threat. We can't afford to wait until a threat has emerged to pre-empt it. Thank you and god bless.
</hail to the chimp>
more Bush campaign lies.
Nina Tottenberg had a piece this am about the screening of people who attend Bush events. Mehlman says oh we don't screen people, we're thrilled to have everyone attend.
Followed by a lengthy segment with clips of multiple people describing how they've been denied attendence and threatened with arrest.
see link at HOMEPAGE url in my sig line
Well, I guess now we see the shape of October surprises to come....
BBC reports that another wedding party was bombed... this time in Fallujah. Of course, the U.S. is saying its a precision strike against terrorists.
We have accurate intelligence that the members of the wedding party were planning to consummate their relationship later on that evening, and we have reason to believe that the offspring of this consummation could very well have become an arch-terrorist mastermind who may very well have planned to plan a Beslan-like attack on US schools at some point within the next 20-35 years. Quite frankly, we had no choice but to attack that wedding.
This story is suspicious. Job numbers were released today. No weapons to be found anywhere in Iraq. Bush's poll numbers are tanking.
So what do they do? They plant a story, place the heart of it in Iraq (see! those disks are weapons!), and see where it will go.
I'm so tired of this administration.
Honesty and integrity? Yeah, right.
Dave J.,
Great minds, eh?
Their game was given away almost immediately when 9/11 was viewed as an 'opportunity'.
Now the crazed wounded animal the Republican Party has become is thrashing around, fear-biting anything it can get near.
Expect more.
Assuming there actually is a CD for floor plans
...You can find school blueprints all over the internet.
Here is Addison Elementary in Hatford WI...
Click Here
This isn't at all shocking. Terrorists don't really need Blueprints of a school to drive up and blow it up any more than you need the blueprints or pictures of the World Trade Center to hit it with a place. This more Bush using innuendo to make people fearful.
Lime Rickey: That was one of your most chilling limericks.
And just to show how slow I can be, it wasn't until I typed the comment above that I got the joke in your name. Duh...
Guess that qualifies me to be a Republican preznit!
NTodd--
what's worse, John Kerry voted for pro-asteroid legislation over 489 times while a Senator--more than once per minute, according to our calculations*!!!
***calculations may or may not be accurate
Terror threats against schools in swing states, huh? Clearly then, the Republicans who believe that Dubya is a man of honor and vision whose only aim is to protect the Amerc'n people, then by all means, they should take the man at his word.
Stay home on November 2! If you believe and stand by our president, Your Life Is In Peril and you must Stay Home!
The rest of us may proceed as usual.
I ntoiced that the article mentions "a person in Iraq" not "an Iraqi"...we are being led around by the nose again, folks
There is something very suspicious about that MSNBC live vote poll.
It is exactly were it was 2 days ago.
***calculations may or may not be accurate - Dave J.
But they're our calculations, so ya better believe 'em - W, Bubble Boy
If the DHS is putting out terror alerts it's not helping Bush and the Times knows it (unless these articles are getting emailed as examples of "that darn liberal media"...)
Terrorists don't really need Blueprints of a school to drive up and blow it up any more than you need the blueprints or pictures of the World Trade Center to hit it with a place.
It'd certainly help, though, to have blueprints if you were planning to do a takeover ala Beslan, particularly if you wanted to do it during a particular event and minimize the chances of people escaping to maximize the impact.
The key would be to see if the states mentioned have polling places in schools. PA and Ohio were not mentioned and I know living here in NE PA we do not vote in schools, but other public places like fire stations.
what's worse, John Kerry voted for pro-asteroid legislation over 489 times while a Senator--more than once per minute, according to our calculations*!!!
Oh shit, I'm so pissed I cast my absentee ballot for that pro-asteroid asshole yesterday.
I have very, very little respect for security moms in general - at least the ones that are voting for Bush.
On the one hand, you have the 9/11 widows, who lost their husbands to terror in the biggest city in the United States. They're supporting Kerry.
On the other hand, you have Mrs. Smith from Ann Arbor, Michigan, who is so worried that the terrorists are out to get her and her family despite being thousands of miles removed from the nearest terror target that she's willing to completely sell out any other beliefs she once had. She's voting for Bush.
click here to become a terrorist
www.electoral-vote.com/
They have been down all morning. What's up with the site or is it me?
were is where(typo)
Of course, we don't watch this stuff, but
ev's
Kerry 280
Bush 239
www.electoral-vote.com
Don't know, but it's up now.
Kerry 280, Bush 239.
LANDSLIDE, BITCHES!
How many Bush officials does it take to change a lightbulb?
None. "There's nothing wrong with that light bulb. It has served us honorably. When you say it's burned out, you're giving encouragement to the forces of darkness. Once we install a light bulb, we never, ever change it. Real men don't need artificial light."
The height of irony... my town south of Boston is in the news this week because a 16 yr boy was arrested for allegedly planning a Colombine-type attack on the public high school here. There apparently was enough evidence to hold him without bail, while a grand jury is convened. Who is handling the investigation? The town police and detectives. Not to denigrate them, but I seem to remember the FBI usually get involved in these cases....hmmm.
I became a security mom when George Bush took office. I turned to my husband when the Supreme Court installed Bush and said he was going to ruin this country.
How I wish I had been wrong.
This security mom is for Kerry.
Buckle your seatbelts. It's going to be a bumpy 24 days. Terror is all they got and they're not going to lose because they weren't willing to use it all up.
However, Note to Bush:
I'm voting on Nov. 2nd if it's the last thing I do. Now, please go fuck yourself.
OT
Odd, no trolls on this thread - Troll activity has been suprisingly low as of late.
Are they discouraged? Are the professional Trolls busy helping Rove with some yet-to-be-revealed nastiness? The amateurs staying in freeperland where they don't have to read inconvenient facts?
I don't mind the relative peace, quiet, and discussion quality, but I'm curious.
NTodd--also, we have documented footage of John Kerry*** speaking a known asteroid language* at a pro-asteroid rally**!
*asteroid language may or may not be Klingon.
**pro-asteroid rally may or may not have been a Star Trek Convention.
***person identified as John Kerry may or may not have actually been John Kerry.
It'd certainly help, though, to have blueprints if you were planning to do a takeover ala Beslan
...That is not an al Qaeda tactic. That was a Chechan warlord. al Qaeda favors quick deadly strikes coordinated to hit many targets simultaneously.
int argc, jinx!
none of the claims this administration makes are ever true. maybe they are always lying, maybe they are always mistaken. it doesn't matter much to me which it is.
All of a sudden, I'm afraid that Bush might do exceptionally and unexpectedly well in the debate tonight. Why? Well, he's the kind of guy who likes to chat up people and hobnob and shmooze and that sort of thing, right? The kind of guy you'd like to have a beer with, supposedly. Well, perhaps he'll get a chance to do that kind of schmoozing in the town hall format tonight, where he meets "real" people face-to-face. And perhaps the presidential mein that Kerry held the other night won't do as well in this forum. Someone absolve my fears, please.
Falstaff: Ah. That did occur to me after I had hit the OK button myself.
All right punks, listen up. Vote for us or I make a call you get hit. Understand? HIT. YOU. Dirty bomb in YOUR chimmney. At YOUR church, during bingo. YOU. Got it? Don't make me call back.
on the debate:
via WaPo and 1st Draft:
The president has stopped taking questions from the small pool of reporters who cover his photo opportunities, and he has answered questions from the White House press corps twice since Aug. 23, both times with interim Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad Allawi at his side. His last prime-time news conference was April 13.
The tradition of the White House news corps shouting questions at the president has largely faded during this term because Bush reacts testily and does not answer, and his staff typically sets up events so he does not have to walk near reporters.
So, what happens when Bush glares and pouts at an ordinary American for asking a tough question?
Actually, that happened to his father at a town-hall style debate. The right covered for him by just trashing the guy's haircut.
So I guess it's a wash.
defib--
No, I think you are right. John Kerry is aloof and out of touch, and can't understand the concerns of the average voter. George Bush is a man of the people who is able to transcend snooty Washington politicspeak with his simple command of the everyday parlance of average citizens. We do have much to fear about the debate tonite--my only prayer is that John Kerry can somehow escape without having a mental fit and urging everyone in the audience to defect to France, or North Korea.
Don't you love how CNN made sure to scare the crap out of the easily rattled with its bold font beginning and then appeared to be calm and reassuring later on in the article? The predictable response from the paranoid is, "bullshit I am keeping junior home from school!"
We don't really give a damn about our children being safe. When we deem them worthy of springing for seat belts in school buses I'll believe we care about anything other than money in this country.
Quite a few people seem to be missing the point here. This is from the AP story on the "disk of terror":
The downloaded data was found by the U.S. military in July. All of the information is publicly available on the Internet and included an Education Department report guiding schools on how to prepare and respond to a crisis, said one of the officials, who spoke Thursday on condition of anonymity.
The person who possessed the disk was described as an Iraqi national with ties to the Baath Party that ruled Iraq under Saddam Hussein (news - web sites), according to a senior law enforcement official who spoke on condition of anonymity Friday. The person was not part of the terrorist insurgency being directed by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.
The official declined to describe the person further or discuss the person's current whereabouts or possible intent.
The material on the disk appeared to be randomly downloaded from the Internet and included such things as manuals on workplace safety, crisis management studies and building security diagrams.
In other words, some Iraqi person was interested in school security issues. That seems like a pretty reasonable thing for Iraqis to be interested in at the moment. The anonymous "senior law enforcement official" refuses to say what this person's intent may have been, where he is now, or what he does for a living (e.g., school administrator?), except that he is not, in fact, a terrorist nor does he have anything to do with terrorists. If he is in fact a school administrator, then he would pretty much by definition be required to have "ties" to the Baathist party because all government officials did. Oh yeah -- the disk was found in July. That was, hmm, three months ago.
Bottom line -- total, unmitigated, unadulterated, pure, distilled, righteous and honest horseshit. Disinformation, ugly and evil propaganda, lies, lies, lies.
Well, I guess I've always been a security mom: security of equal opportunity, security of free speech and free press, security from fear, social security, job security . . .
Can't understand how Bush could EVER be considered legitimate for real security moms.
"There is something very suspicious about that MSNBC live vote poll.
"It is exactly were it was 2 days ago."
meme 10.08.04 - 1:38 pm
I think that it went down for a "repair" or something last night.
Anybody know why KE04 isn't touching the issue of how the administration repeatedly failed to get up to speed on counter-terrorism before 9/11?
Isn't the chronology of delay laid out in the 9/11 commission report absolutely clear? Bush's complete lack of response to the now-famous 8/6 PDB? Cheney's task force that met only once, a few days before 9/11?
Imagine what a Rep challenger would do with this against a Dem incumbent.
What's Kerry waiting for?
What is really insane is that the Bush nutters are still yapping that Saddam had weapons and that he threw the weapon inspectors out. I have been checking out papers around the country and the letters to the editor are still pushing this loony crap. It's scary how out of touch with reality these people are.
And, of course, a key swing vote demographic is....married, suburban white females...
Folks who would be worried about their kid's safety and prone to manipulation by such inflated security assessments.
hmph.
The elves are angry.
Pardon my ignorance, but from the article: What the hell is a "kinetic strike"? Is that the same as "Kill 'em all"?
dave
*Looks up from cleaning rifle*
How about 180 grains of accountability?
Hey check out the idiotic rumormongering in my home state of South Dakota...
I Heard A Rumor
I had one person tell me they heard it on Sean Hannity. I had several others email me with the rumor. I don't know if it is true. Take it for what it is worth. Some of the people heard it on Sean Hannity, apparently. Some heard it elsewhere. One person heard it from a damn reliable source.
The rumor is that the last attack of the Swifties will be video of Kerry burning an American flag.
Again, I don't know if it is true. You'd have thought in the past twenty years Kerry could have bought all the footage of something like that.
Erickerickson.com
Lots of fun, eh? Hey, I heard a rumor, ok? There's a video out there of Jenna and Barbra Bush blowing W. I heard it from a damn reliable source (this guy who live under a bridge near my house).
WAY OT, but:
Quick idea for a debate Draft "Zinger"
"Bush lied about why we went into Iraq, NOW, he's lying about how we're gonna get OUT of Iraq."
Hey, if they can play the 'scare America' card, why cant we? Im gonna put this up at dailyKos as soon as the site comes back up, so any additional comments/suggestions?
Frankly, there is absolutely no difference between how Bush and Kerry would handle asteroids. They've both become exactly alike. I'm the only one who truly understands how best to stop asteroids: equipping the earth with a giant seatbelt.
I'm voting on Nov. 2nd if it's the last thing I do. Now, please go fuck yourself.
Hecate
You are solid gold, Hecate! Love your attitude.
defib, dispel those worries. Cop a Hecate attitude! Bush may do better tonight than last time, but Kerry will not stumble the way Bush did.
Go Get 'Em, Big John! Sending positive energy your way!
BTW, as regards the electoral-vote site:
I agree, we shouldn't be watching it. But if you must try and use it to persuade somebody, please consider linking the cartograms, instead of the main page...
for example this one.
the cartograms show the size of the states as proportional to their population, and it makes the situation in real fly-over country (WY, MT, et al) look like less of a threat.
Why am I much more afraid of the Bush Administration than I am of Al Qaeda?
I had one person tell me they heard it on Sean Hannity. I had several others email me with the rumor. I don't know if it is true. Take it for what it is worth. Some of the people heard it on Sean Hannity, apparently. Some heard it elsewhere. One person heard it from a damn reliable source
I think an idiot did call in to Hannity, saying that this footage was used against Kerry when he lost a House race 20 years ago. In a rare moment of lucidity, Hannity pointed out that if this footage existed, we would have seen it already.
Station National Guard troops outside every school? Oops - can't to that - they are in Iraq.
Some of them, my son included, are still in high school.
A kinetic strike just means smashing something into the target. It just means the projectile is not explosive.
Oh yeah -- the disk was found in July. That was, hmm, three months ago.
Hold the information back until it can be used for political purpose.
Regarding Bush's change in strategy in Iraq -- I'd love to see Kerry take credit for it during the debate tonight -- if Bush's people are admitting Kerry's criticisms got the ball rolling, Kerry should claim this one right out from under Bush -- it wouldn't have happened without Kerry's dogged insistence that our post-war Iraq policy is a failure. He could also site it as an example of the wholly salutary effect of vigorous political debate/dissent.
Curious as to how many people here have offered to work as poll watchers, assisting the ACLU or others in making sure voters have all the info and the access they need to vote, or offered to drive people to to polls?
Interesting stuff from nytimes today:
POLITICAL MEMO
In New Attacks, Bush Pushes Limit on the Facts
By ADAM NAGOURNEY and RICHARD W. STEVENSON
Published: October 8, 2004
WASHINGTON, Oct. 7 - From the beginning of the year, the White House has charted new ground with the sweep of its negative campaigning, starting with an $80 million wave of attack advertisements directed at Senator John Kerry that began the moment he effectively won his party's nomination last spring.
But the scathing indictment that Mr. Bush offered of Mr. Kerry over the past two days - on the eve of the second presidential debate and with polls showing the race tightening - took these attacks to a blistering new level. In the process, several analysts say, Mr. Bush pushed the limits of subjective interpretation and offered exaggerated or what some Democrats said were distorted accounts of Mr. Kerry's positions on health care, tax cuts, the Iraq war and foreign policy.
To cheers in Michigan, Mr. Bush asserted that under Mr. Kerry, the nation would have to "wait for a grade from other nations and leaders'' before acting to protect itself. Mr. Kerry has repeatedly said that he would not give up the right to act pre-emptively "in any way necessary to protect the United States,'' but has suggested that any president would need to demonstrate legitimate reasons for such an action.
To laughter, Mr. Bush said that Mr. Kerry would impose "Hillary care'' on America, a huge national health care program that would impose increased federal control over the health care decisions of citizens. Mr. Kerry's health care plan is significantly larger than the one Mr. Bush has offered, and it includes increased reliance on Medicaid and state health insurance programs for the poor. But unlike what Mrs. Clinton proposed in 1993, it would not create any big new federal bureaucracy and would retain the current employer-based system, and Mr. Kerry said he was averse to any kind of national health care plan.
To boos, Mr. Bush said that Mr. Kerry had set "artificial timetables'' for pulling troops out of Iraq, which the president warned would embolden the enemy and endanger the troops. In fact, Mr. Kerry said that he could envision beginning to withdraw troops in as little as six months, but only if he succeeded in moving Iraq toward stability, and has decline repeatedly to set a timeline.
Mr. Bush's aides defended Mr. Bush's statements, saying that the president had fairly spotlighted positions Mr. Kerry has taken over the years. "The campaign's criticisms of John Kerry are meticulous and p
kid oakland here
This is THE most despicable thing I've seen in my lifetime. It's all the more despicable because it's so "dutiful" and "protective" on it's face.
The CNN article lays it ALL out:
-the Department of Homeland Security controls the information here
- they know there is no threat, and say so
- they know that this information is not related to any threat in ANY way
- and yet they RELEASE that information, including specific details, and go on the record talking about this "threat that isn't a threat"
- in effect, they are using our CHILDREN and terrorism as political tools
This is SICKENING. It is, in point of fact, the use of terrorism to TERRORIZE the American Public for political means.
Simply put, Bushco can't win this election on the merits, so now they are going to play off the safety of our children? Nauseating.
Well, I for one am glad that the
Bush administration is letting President Kerry direct its Iraq policy.
All of a sudden, I'm afraid that Bush might do exceptionally and unexpectedly well in the debate tonight
They'll call this one for Bush no mater what. Sometime in the first 18 minutes. Have to keep the horserace going. It's ok. Kerry can lose this one as long as he wins the last one. Bush is, as I've noted before, a master 'bater.
Questions for Bush: Are you wired or wearing an earpiece?
Why won't you take your annual physical?
Yay security Mom!
defib: I am absolutely terrified of the same thing. I try to remind myself that Bush simply can't handle being confronted with his abysmal record, but I still have butterflies going apeshit in my belly.
When we deem them worthy of springing for seat belts in school buses I'll believe we care about anything other than money in this country.
It's money that matters
Hear what I say
It's money that matters
In the USA
- Randy Newman
cervantes: In other words, some Iraqi person was interested in school security issues.
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The weird thing to me was the CNN report that said a person in Iraq working on civic issues. To me, this sounds like a foreigner working on reconstruction.
Wouldn't it be Rovian for Halliburton to download all this stuff (for legitimate purposes), and then make a copy of it and have the govt. pass it off as nefarious?
I think Kerry should hit W. again with his old man. How about this one:
"Whose life would be on my hands as the commander-in-chief because I, unilaterally, went beyond the international law, went beyond the stated mission, and said we're going to show our macho?" he asked. "We're going into Baghdad. We're going to be an occupying power -- America in an Arab land -- with no allies at our side. It would have been disastrous.
"George H. W. Bush, explaining why he left Saddam in power.
http://tinyurl.com/4gwlj
"The military retrieved the disks in Iraq within the last couple of months..."
Odd that the first public awareness just happens on the day of the second debate whereit is said Bush will attack Kerry as not being capable of handling security.
Would I be correct is assuming that Bush is playing with peoples' fears to satisfy his political goals?
regards from this side of the point of no return.
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LGF Charles "squeaky" said he was a "liberal who was mugged by reality" (not his most original moment). Now he is nothing but a cheerleader for a cowardly chorus of neo-kkk, advocating mass extinction of islam, and by their own logic, anyone (american or otherwise/) who disagrees with this "final solution". For them, 9/11 didn't "change everything", it just justified their -isms.
This would be poetic justice:
1) People who are afraid of another terrorist attack tend to favor Bush.
2) The DHS pumps out terrorist threat warnings to control the news cycle and drive Bush's approval numbers up.
3) They play up the whole "attacks on election day" meme so much that
Bush's base is afraid to vote.
4) Bush gets less than 20% percent of the popular vote.
5) I drink 5 bottles of wine and laugh and laugh and laugh.
Assuming, for the sake of argument, that the disks found in Iraq are terror-related, that only shows that Bush has left us less safe, by creating a vacuum in Iraq that's friendly to terrorists. Iraq wasn't a terrorist haven before we started the war, but it appears to be now.
Bottom line -- total, unmitigated, unadulterated, pure, distilled, righteous and honest horseshit. - cervantes
"Blogger voices an mild uncertainty" - Fox News.
oh, you forgot "categorical".
If the country is hit with another 'terra' attack, the Constitution's history, the Republic is done, and the fascists will have won...
If it happens before the election, the Bushistas will declare martial law, suspend the Constitution, and postpone the elections for the 'duration of the crisis.'
If it happens after the Bushistas have been deposed, the GOPukes will impeach Kerry, who will be forced to resign, taking Edwards with him, and leaving (that's the word for it) Groper Denny Hastert as nominal Chief Exec.
And it is gonna happen, folks...Gay-RON-teed, as ol Justihn Wilsohn usta say...
Yeah...like they were ever really gonna lose?
If I were leading parts of the "insurgancy" in Iraq, I believe I would just go underground for, oh, say 2 weeks. Let the US believe that they had managed to quell the "terrorist activities".
During that time, I would strengthen my forces, set up hidden caches and barricade stronghouses. I would look towards building cooperation with other groups and I would plan traps and strategies to maximize damages against unwary opponents.
With this I could turn a seemingly significant win for the occupiers into a full rout, showing that their invicibility and accomplishment was no more than chaff in the wind.
I'm sorry, but brown skin doesn't equal stupidity, and treating them like this will only delay the payment that will be coming for tis administration's hubris.
And perhaps the presidential mein that Kerry held the other night won't do as well in this forum. Someone absolve my fears, please.
defib
The fact is, anything Bush can do, Kerry can do better.
It's fine to pretend you're folksy and homespun, but at some point you have to discuss the issues and your record. Bush can't do that positively without lying. He's got nothing. The "Do Not Call" list is the only thing in his presidency that's widely popular and works reasonably well. Everything else has been a complete disaster.
Bush is painted into a corner. More of the same won't win anyone over, and he's got no new ideas, and he's already taken his best shots at Kerry and seen them fizzle. So what's he gonna do...spend ninety minutes talking about bar-b-q sauce or football to prove what a regular guy he is? No one cares about that.
The best Bush can hope for is a draw, but I don't think he'll get it. Look for a Kerry sweep on all the issues, as well as likeability.
They made a huge mistake painting Kerry as such a complete ogre...that's why they're trying to backpedal now by talking about their "respect" for him. They'd created such a bad image for Kerry that there was no way the reality could match up. That Karl Rove...some genius, huh?
OT: scaredy cat
From invite letter from host cte member for a Specter/McCain event in Phila: "Senator Specter was forced to spend $15.3 million to win the Primary Election this spring. As a result, he must raise considerable funds this fall -- $3.5 million in the next month prior to the election. Democrats still out-register Republicans by over 500,000 in Pennsylvania and an ultra-conservative Lancaster county third party candidate threatens to take votes away as well. Needless to say, the Democratic National Committee is targeting Pennsylvania because of the Presidential race, which will undoubtedly increase Democratic turnout. The closeness of the Primary shows just how close this General Election may be. "
Somebody may have mentioned this above, but . . .The Atlanta paper is reporting that one of the schools mentioned is here in Georgia--Gray, Georgia, to be exact.
Gray, Georgia ain't exactly Atlanta.
Why terrorists would be interested in attacking a school in Gray, Georgia is beyond me. I mean, of all the places they might attack and make an impact, Gray, Georgia is in their top six?
To borrow from John McEnroe, "You CANNOT be serious!"
Squeaky Johnson needs to be cockpunched for attempting a reference to The Maxx, one of the coolest cartoon series of all time.
For my part, I advocate mass extinction of LGF-ers.
A Bush adviser said the president hopes to change the dynamics of the race with more biting attacks on Kerry's record and trustworthiness and on what Bush charges is Kerry's reluctance to use U.S. military force to defeat terrorism. The strategy is aimed at stoking public fears about terrorism, raising new concerns about Kerry's ability to protect Americans and reinforcing Bush's image as the steady anti-terrorism candidate, aides said.
Washington Post
i read somewhere if you know about these scare tactics, they don't work, i think it was on CNN, it's just getting too strange.
Chimp lovers media responce to WMD report:
"It was a slam dunk"
Heard it on every news program last night and this morning.
Good Catch Newton, though I suspect it's been caught many times before. Wonder why Kerry hasn't pressed it? Maybe ATRIOS should press it (again)?
"Whose life would be on my hands as the commander-in-chief because I, unilaterally, went beyond the international law, went beyond the stated mission, and said we're going to show our macho?" he asked. "We're going into Baghdad. We're going to be an occupying power -- America in an Arab land -- with no allies at our side. It would have been disastrous."
-George HERBERT Walker Bush, Feb. 28 1999.
oh and the invite letter was dictate by specter's campaign of course.
I've offered to drive people to the polls on 11/2. I'm taking the day off and working with ACT.
Why am I much more afraid of the Bush Administration than I am of Al Qaeda?
Cue David Bowie:
Georgie's in America
Low techs at the wheel
Nobody needs anyone
They don't even just pretend
Georgie's in America
CHORUS (x2)
I'm afraid of Americans
I'm afraid of the world
I'm afraid I can't help it
I'm afraid I can't
I'm afraid of Americans
Georgie's in America
Georgie wants a brain
Georgie wants to suck on a Coke
Georgie wants a woman
Georgie wants to think of a joke
Georgie's in America
CHORUS (x2)
I'm afraid of Americans
Georgie's in America
Georgie looks up at the stars
Georgie combs his hair
And Georgie wants pussy in cars
Georgie's in America,
Georgie's in America, uh-uh-uh uh, uh, uh-uh uh-uh-uh
CHORUS (x2)
I'm afraid of Americans
God is an American
God is an American
CHORUS (x2)
Yeah, I'm afraid of Americans
I'm afraid of the words
I'm afraid I can't help it
I'm afraid I can't
I'm afraid of Americans
Georgie's an American
Georgie's an American
Georgie's an American, uh-uh-uh uh, uh, uh-uh uh-uh-uh (repeat)
BBC reports that another wedding party was bombed
When oh when will these terrorist wedding ceremonies be stopped??!
Konopelli, have you been talking to Incognito again? Take some deep breaths and a Zanax.
These guys are fascist fucks, all right, but there are limits to what the people will tolerate.
Phila -- Oh wow, I forgot about the do not call list. That was an important accomplishment. I'm considering changing my allegiance . . .Oh yeah, and you can now pay your income taxes by credit card.
Assuming there actually is a CD for floor plans.
this smells like more bush sr. bull shit - isn't july when they found the cache of reems of incriminating doc's in a special forces secured area, why havn't these been turned over for senate intel committee oversight?
and its funny that the schools being threatned are in battlegrounds except the obviuos herrings cal/dem & georgia/repub
never prove only accuse keep them confused- fuck them to hell!
The sad truth is, all of this fighting is making it worse.
Good job, Mr. President and PM Allawi! Two Strong men if you ask me...
set the basement lower...
yet another new low fromm the idiots
OT -
Banana Republican Fall '04 Catalog
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3) They play up the whole "attacks on election day" meme so much that
Bush's base is afraid to vote.
That is why I believe the Bush base is voting for him. They have no need to worry about healthcare, jobs, but the one thing they have no control over is terrorism-and it scares the shit out of them. Keep up the good work Bushie-Repubs are scared to come out. The dems have nothing to lose-Bushie is worse right now than terra itself.
The video of aWol getting a blow-job from his daughters is not such a difficult thing to believe...I'd bet dollars to donutholes he was abusing them while he was still an active drunk...
Anyone know what Cheney was talking about when he talked about safe harbor(s) for terror?
Can terror be stored? I thought it was a fleeting emotional state.
so howie fineman shares a secret handshake with jr and finds insight into his soul (c/o beta theta pi):
Newsweek correspondent and Beta Theta Pi member Howard Fineman says President Bush may have once given him the Delta Kappa Epsilon handshake. "But I sure didn't give him the Beta grip," he adds. "Understanding the role of fraternity in American life is important and relevant. It has helped me to understand George W. Bush. I appreciate him more and understand him better because of my fraternity experience."
I wish people wouldn't quote song lyrics. I know they will anyway, no matter what I say. But I wish they wouldn't. But if they MUST do it, I wish they'd edit 'em down to the relevant portion, instead of printing every fucking appearance of every chorus, even if the chorus consists of the same fucking line over and over again.
I know they'll do it anyway. But I wish they wouldn't.
Compare WE HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR BUT FEAR ITSELF to I HAVE NOTHING BUT FEAR. One confident, upbeat, positive...the other whiny, negative, strident.
Tom - "Why am I much more afraid of the Bush administration than I am of Al Qaeda?"
Great comment. And me too, in spades.
in part to counter criticism from President Bush's Democratic challenger,
Holy mother of god. I am so sorry for our soldiers and the people of Iraq.
Disgusting people. Pure evil.
I was appalled to hear the radio news first thing this morning (on a conservative Clear Channel station) lead off with the story about terrorists planning attacks on U.S. schools. These Bush people are shameless. As the details dribble out today that prove how blatant this attempt at manipulation is, it must be demanded of the media that they report this for what it is.
On a more upbeat note, I live in one of the most conservative cities in the country, and beyond what I ever would have believed possible, Kerry/Edwards signs have been blossoming in almost every neighborhood I've been through in the past week. I believe they outnumber Bush/Cheney signage at this point. It's a movement and it's gaining in momentum.
I appreciate him more and understand him better because of my fraternity experience."
bkny
You know, I always try to make a distinction between utter vapidity and active evil, but it gets harder all the time. I understand that you can't force moral imbeciles to understand evil, but you also can't let them blithely coddle and promote it. Something's got to be done about these goddamn pod people.
I wish people wouldn't quote song lyrics. I know they will anyway, no matter what I say. But I wish they wouldn't. But if they MUST do it, I wish they'd edit 'em down to the relevant portion, instead of printing every fucking appearance of every chorus, even if the chorus consists of the same fucking line over and over again.
I know they'll do it anyway. But I wish they wouldn't.
Philalethes | Email | Homepage | 10.08.04 - 2:07 pm | #
Sorry Philalethes. Here, is this better?
Georgie's in America
Low techs at the wheel
Nobody needs anyone
They don't even just pretend
Georgie's in America
CHORUS (x2)
I'm afraid of Americans
I'm afraid of the world
I'm afraid I can't help it
I'm afraid I can't
I'm afraid of Americans
Newsweek correspondent and Beta Theta Pi member Howard Fineman says President Bush may have once given him the Delta Kappa Epsilon handshake.
I'd give Bush the secret Phi Beta Kappa handshake, if I thought for one moment he'd have the slightest clue how to do it.
They got hold of these disks "several months ago"??!! What have they been sitting on them for, if children are at risk?
If those computer disks were known to law enforcement agencies when the Bush talking point was "oooh look at the Iraqi schools we're rebuilding!"
Why weren't parents warned then that their children were ALL GONNA DIE!!!!!!!!
hmmmm?
Why am I much more afraid of the Bush Administration than I am of Al Qaeda?
Because you're intelligent?
I've said it before - terrorists can't destroy this country. They can kill people, they can destroy property, and in the worst-case nightmare scenario, they could make areas uninhabitable...but they can't destroy this country. Our leaders, on the other hand, can destroy this country with the stroke of a pen.
And George W. Bush seems awfully quick with that pen...
Hecate,
I just called the Commission on Presidential Debates to ask if they know what bush was wearing between his shoulder blades. The receptionist admitted to being aware of it, but "couldn't tell me anything more, and we're really busy around here today". She allowed me to leave a message on vm.
Also, did you all notice that cheney didn't even bother to call it terra....it was simply the one syllable, "tear".
The video of aWol getting a blow-job from his daughters is not such a difficult thing to believe...I'd bet dollars to donutholes he was abusing them while he was still an active drunk...
Konopelli
OK, you people are making it really difficult for me to not divulge information I had access to when I worked for Blue Cross/Blue Shield of Texas while Bush was Governor (and had BCBS health insurance, along with the rest of his family).
I won't talk! You can't make me!
Tease.
"His New Attacks, Bush Pushes Limit on the Facts." - Nagourney & Stevenson, NYT
Damn it! Cut the bullshit you two and just say it, "Liar!"
kid oakland sez : ..."This is SICKENING. It is, in point of fact, the use of terrorism to TERRORIZE the American Public for political means. "
Mark Sheilds had an article, Bush campaign's contempt for 'people of faith', on CNN's web-site on 4 Oct....."Bush's own RNC did a mass-mailing to churchgoing voters in Arkansas and West Virginia warning that if churchgoers did not vote Republican in November, the godless "liberals" (read: Democrats) would ban the Bible from American life"
Mr. Shield further states..."...the Bush-Rove team must be convinced that the churchgoing folks of West Virginia and Arkansas are so gullible and so ill-informed that this baseless charge could scare them into voting Republican for Bush-Cheney in order to keep their Bibles."
And the zinger..."Yes, the direct-mail smear is both dirty politics and the ruthlessly deceitful manipulation of religion for selfish and base reasons. But what remains long after the outrage is the sickening realization of the pervasive cynicism that moved the Bush political operation to write, produce and distribute this letter that so totally disrespects the intelligence and judgment of the Christian, churchgoing voters to whom it was sent. Let us hope that this is not an extension of President Bush's "faith-based" campaign."
Personally, I don't see a difference between telling the church-minded they could lose their bibles if they don't vote for Bush and familys that a vote for Bush will save your children from becoming victims of terrorist acts. It's all one in the same. The sign of a sign and depraved mind.
And his hand is just a finger tip away from the world's largest and only nuclear arsenal.
Makes one wonder if he really does hear voices in his head.
regards from this side of the point of no return.
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Bush has the House on his side.
Bush has the Senate on his side.
Bush has the Supreme Court on his side.
Bush has the Media on his side.
And he's still going to lose.
Great comment. And me too, in spades.
Tena
Uh oh, Tena. You know what this means, don't you?...
DRUDGE REPORT EXCLUSIVE, MUST CREDIT DRUDGE!!
PRO-KERRY WEBSITE SAYS BUSH WORSE THAN OSAMA!! DeLAY CALLS FOR INVESTIGATIONS, EXECUTIONS. WORSE THAN PEARL-HARBOR?!? DEVELOPING...
These guys are fascist fucks, all right, but there are limits to what the people will tolerate.
int argc
Limits to what USers will tolerate?
If there are, there is no evidence that we are even approaching 'em...I'd sure like to know what they are...
Look, brother...there is NO limit to what the terrified, whitebread, security-mom/dad-fascists will do to preserve their advantages, privileges and perqs. That is the thing the GOPhascists have relied upon forever. Up until now it only involved prostituting their principles. But let there actually be a suburban '9/11' and the Swastikas will be up in seconds...
The mass of people in the USA--the fat, feculent, fatuous, comfortable, complacent fascist facilitators with their bottomless cravings for grease and carbohtdrates--have an endless propensity for self-delusion.
Else they could not have tolerated the Dim Son to begin with.
BBC reports that another wedding party was bombed
When oh when will these terrorist wedding ceremonies be stopped??!
Well, Weddings are for the purpose of making families which make babies. If we are there for the long haul, babies might become terrorists, and could arm themselves with WMD. There is no evidence that these potential 'babies' will avoid using WMD, and they have not even disavowed the use of terrorism.
These potential babies must be stopped!
Now, that's preemption.
I think the thing that gets me is that there is always this common assumption that any real or perceived terrorist threats within the US borders is somehow an automatic gimme for W.
Why not Kerry? W has done nada to protect us, and arguably has made things much worse than they had to be, yet there still exists this bizarro idea that only W, out of all the humans in existence, can protect us. Why does this not reek of the old gangland Protection Racket to everybody with a little horse-sense?
My bet is it DOES reek to most Muricans; we only think they're buying it because the media tells us that they are.
That's better, Anon. Thanks!
I won't talk! You can't make me!
Ve haff vays...
philalethes -- seriously, once bushco is gone, the next step is to get rid of the wdc chattering class. but how? (i'm torn between just putting them up against a wall or homecare duty for the wounded).
Its pretty much guaranteed that if W can manage to make an ass out of himself - as opposed to a complete ass - the media will say that W won the debate.
How many times will we hear something like this from media whores:
"By refusing to let the urge to scowl get to him, the president once again showed why the American people truct him to lead the war on terror"
However, I really don't think it will matter very much. By continuing to show the people that he has a clue, Kerry will win this election.
W's lost touch with reality, and the media will not be able to whore W back into office.
iago's right, of course.
Like many of you, I was at least as shocked and surprised at the over-the-top reactions of our fellow countrymen/women as I was at the two towers falling.
And much, much more worried. I mean, if those towers had been in SF, and an earthquake knocked 'em flat, killing the same number of people, would our economy have crumbled? our jobs disappear? our Constitution be assaulted? our men and women in the armed forces be put in harm's way? our international friends and allies humiated and alienated? our genuine enemies given such opportunity to do us real harm?
I mean, WTF?
Yet, all those things have happened because the buildings were in NY, and a handful of criminals did it on purpose.
How sadly pathetic our Great Nation has become.
philalethes -- seriously, once bushco is gone, the next step is to get rid of the wdc chattering class. but how? (i'm torn between just putting them up against a wall or homecare duty for the wounded).
Beats me. But I agree with most folks here that blogs like this one, and groups like MoveOn, are going to have to work twice as hard after Kerry wins. The media already get really negative reliability ratings across the board, so at some point it should be possible to drown 'em in Grover Norquist's bathtub (hey, he won't be using it after January!). In the meantime, anyone who can pull the plug on cable or cancel subscriptions should do it. I canceled my cable, and I feel much, much better for it. I also got off Comcast as my ISP and chose a nice little local provider with no links to BushCo or the defense industry or any of that. Divestment is definitely in order...from each according to his or her ability, yadda yadda.
"...in part to counter criticism from President Bush's Democratic challenger..."
Hummmmmmmm......
Let me see if I got this right. The people in those towns in Iraq are going to suffer and die because Bush wants to counter the critism leveled at him by Kerry.
WHERE"S THE HELL IS HIS CHRISTIAN-CONSERVATISM !!!!!!
sorry.....
Just because innocent people died in New York, the Pentagon, and on that single flight where the passengers fought back, doesn't give us, we Americans, the right or privillege to decide who shall live and who shall die.
That this President has taken this path, he does so alone. It is a path this Nation should not take willingly without a fight. To do so would forever discredit our good name in the eyes of all Nations of the World.
Enough said
regards from the edge of the point of no return.
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I think we are finally at the tipping point in this election. It is clearly unraveling. They got away with hoisting the terror alert two days after the Dem convention (remember the Bush daughters defying the terrorists in that photo op in the Citibank bldg lobby?)
Now we have the schools alerted.
Won't work anymore. This reminds me of that scene from the Wizard of Oz. Dorothy and friends cowered by the impressive bluster of the Wizard. Then Toto pulls the curtain aside and all is revealed.
Well, folks, the curtain is now being pulled aside with 3 weeks to go. About time.
Yes, there will be more ugliness ahead, but the curtain is open, the emperor is naked. Kerry in a landslide: 320 electoral votes with or without Florida.
Mr. Shield further states..."...the Bush-Rove team must be convinced that the churchgoing folks of West Virginia and Arkansas are so gullible and so ill-informed that this baseless charge could scare them into voting Republican for Bush-Cheney in order to keep their Bibles."
The same line has kept the same bag of wackos firmly in the GOPhascist camp for 75 years when it was "guns" and not 'Bibles' that were the object of the lesson...
Nobody ever lost money underestimating the intelligence of the average American...Truer, perhaps, now than in the 1930s when Mencken first coined the observation...
CODE RED ALERT! CODE RED ALERT! Kerry ahead! Code Red Alert! Threat imminent and probable-Kerry likely to win tonight's debate.
Take these precautions quickly:
1. Put masking take over your eyes so you won't see how unpresidential Bush looks at tonight's debate, scratching himself (no podium), rubbing his ass, or picking his nose.
2. Put, depending upon the size and shape of your ear canals, a AAA, AA, C, D or 9-volt battery in each ear so you won't hear your President's dumb answers and Kerry's good ones. (Ann Coulter, please note that you might need two of those really big, half-pound alkaline jobs that go into the $5 flashlights from Home Depot for your particular ears).
3. If you have a basement, lock yourself in the basement until the threat of Kerry winning and your hearing about it past the Sunday talk shows is well is over.
4. If you do not have a basement, go to the nearest red-neck bar and drink enough bad whiskey so that you don't wake up until next Monday.
5. If you do not have access to either a basement or a red-neck bar, Dick Cheney's ass will be available for you to put your head up into.
Your Impartial Homeland Hysteria Director, Tom Ridge.
More schools under attack, this time specific towns.
http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/
in...16073126760.xml
I won't talk! You can't make me!
Give him......the comfy chair!
When Kerry wins--IF there's an election--the job (of reminding him he's not the people's choice but the people's only alternative) starts in earnest Nov 3...
And if he parades the same motley array of portly, porcine party hacks as potential cabinet members--especially if he should include that odious, bloody-minded, murderous harridan Albright in ANY capacity--my opposition and all my venom and spleen begins in that moment to flow in his direction...
On Thursday evening, the boom of Israeli Merkava tank cannons and the staccato crackle of heavy-caliber machine-gun fire ricocheted through the concrete alleyways, heralding the 10th night of Israel's most lethal incursion into the Palestinian territories in nearly 2 1/2 years.
Ninety-four Palestinians and five Israelis have been killed, according to statistics provided by each side in the conflict, since Israeli forces entered the northern Gaza Strip in an operation aimed at preventing Palestinian guerrillas from firing rockets and mortars at Jewish settlements and Israeli towns over the border. The fighting has pitted a sophisticated, high-tech military force against guerrillas using assault rifles, grenade launchers and weapons crafted from common explosives, construction site scraps and party balloons.
hey... any trolls out there that would explain how this Iraq school disc story is being presented in your circles...just asking?
Differing accounts
On Thursday morning, Israeli intelligence officers watching video beamed from an unmanned surveillance aircraft saw two militants trying to launch a rocket into Israel, according to a military spokeswoman. Palestinian doctors and nurses peering out a window at the same two figures said they saw something very different: two boys playing with pipes and sticks in a sandy lot next to a school.
Seconds later, a missile tore Suleiman Abu Foul, 12, and Raed Abu Zeid, 15, to shreds
Manar Farra, director of the Al Awda Hospital on the northern edge of the Jabalya camp and one of the witnesses to the incident, said the younger boy was brought to the hospital "without a head. Even his family could not recognize him. It made us hate our profession. We could do nothing."
Well, folks, the curtain is now being pulled aside with 3 weeks to go. About time.
Karma's a bitch, and has impeccible timing.
Yesterday there was either a troll or an idiot saying if he had kids, he would pull them out of school.
Well, I am happy to say that my kids went to school today and they will continue to go to school.
I don't believe this bullshit and I refuse to live in fear, because folks, that is exactly what Bush and Cheney want, a populace so entrenched by fear that they will not stand up for things like Freedom of Speech, Freedom from Religion, Freedom period.
If we live in fear as Bush/Cheney want, they win this election and there might never be another one.
When Kerry wins--IF there's an election--the job (of reminding him he's not the people's choice but the people's only alternative) starts in earnest Nov 3...
Konopelli
You are pushing it with this bullshit. Kerry is my choice wholeheartedly for President, I believe he will make an excellent president and commander in chief. You and Incognito need to get together and just off each other.
Konopelli,
Surprised to find someone who hates Albright as much as I do travelling in these circles. I respected her for being the first female US ambassador to the UN, but when I heard her dismiss the 500,000 Iraqi children reportedly killed by sanctions as "worth it," I recognized her for the realpolitiking scum she is. When was your "I hate MA" moment?
krsaz: Don't get all optimistic. There's no guarantee there'll be an election this time. None at all. I fear the last election was actually our last chance, and that things have advanced so far now that even f the formailities of election are followed, the results will be what the fascists want, and we'll have no way to prove otherwise...
Iow, it is probably already too late...
From Jay's link:
The downloaded information found in Iraq included an Education Department report instructing schools on how to prepare for and respond to a crisis, one official who spoke on the condition of anonymity told the Associated Press.
The official said it was not clear whether the discovery represented a threat.
It was possible, the official said, that the person collecting the information in Iraq was someone involved in civic planning or school construction.
Ah, the truth of the matter.
int argc:
same as yours...the '500,000 dead iraqi kids are worth it' line did it for me. Why Clinton didn't fire her murderous, blood-thirsty, flaccid ass on the spot I'll never understand nor forgive...
tripias.com
Has Kerry up by 2 electoral votes without Florida being one of them.
This is starting to look positive.
Konopelli:
Done with you, don't trust your posts and you sound a lot like Incognito. Go post on a doomsday site, you're not helping.
I felt the same way about Reno.
Lets hope Kerry can come up with some competent people-Cause we sure to hell need them.
Konopelli, Blogger is free, and pretty painless to set up, you won't be limited to 1000 characters, can use colors, upload graphics. You don't even need to give them your real name, or any information about yourself.
And you'll feel better about yourself in the morning, when your comments don't appear on rightwing blogs with the tagline; "on Eschaton they say..."
krsaz:
Not helping?
GO Cheney yourself, dipstick.
I been registering voters, canvassing neighborhoods, writing letters, donating money, and motivating like a motherfucker...I am precinct leader in the MOVEON No-Vote-Left-Behind locally.
But it does not prevent me from being realistic. It is very possible that the 2000 vote was our last chance, and possible that there will NOT be an election this year, and probable that if it is held, it will be stolen again, like the last one, tho not by the same expedient.
Are you perhaps one of those who believe "it can't happen here?" If so, then your 'being done with' me is of less than no concern...
Let's just say that Jenna and Not-Jenna have both been treated for internal hemorrhoids prior to their 18th birthdays.
Mooser, i have not posted a word today which would or should give aid or comfort to the fascists. Quite the opposite, I should think. But thanks for you solicitude...
U.S. Said to Develop Strategy for Iraq
http://tinyurl.com/4e2og
By TERENCE HUNT, AP White House Correspondent
WASHINGTON - The Bush administration has developed a formal written strategy for Iraq that envisions using a mix of diplomacy and military force to try to wrest control of dozens of key cities from insurgents before planned January elections, a senior administration official said Friday.
HOW STUPID AND GULLIBLE DOES KARL ROVE THINK AMERICANS ARE ?
YOU DON'T DEVELOP A STRATEGY FOR IRAQ 18 MO. AFTER BUSH STATED "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" ON THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER. THIS IS JUST MORE SPIN TO TRY AND COUNTER THE KERRY ASSERTION THAN BUSH DID NOT HAVE A PLAN ( AND STRATEGY ) TO WIN THE PEACE.
IN THE DEBATE TONIGHT KERRY SHOULD SLAM THIS WEAK AND FEEBLE ATTEMPT AT DISGUISING BUSH'S MISERABLE FAILURE IN IRAQ.
"AMERICA DOESN'T NEED A PRESIDENT WHO GOVERNS IN THE LAND OF MAKE BELIEVE"
Anonymous, 1:18PM-Actually, I'm more worried about the Bushies than the terries in terms of something happening before the election.
You got me curious about what the right wing nuts are saying about the school threats. Don't ever suggest that again. I feel like I am going to puke. This was one summation of the debate with Kerry-the face thing is funny though.
Last week in our debate, he once again came down firmly on every side of the Iraq war. He stated that Saddam Hussein was a threat and that America had no business removing that threat. Senator Kerry said our soldiers and Marines are not fighting for a mistake — but also called the liberation of Iraq a "colossal error." He said we need to do more to train Iraqis, but he also said we shouldn't be spending so much money over there. He said he wants to hold a summit meeting, so he can invite other countries to join what he calls "the wrong war in the wrong place at the wrong time."
He said terrorists are pouring across the Iraqi border, but also said that fighting those terrorists is a diversion from the war on terror.
You hear all that and you can understand why somebody would make a face.
From
Blogs for Bush 04
Thomas Jefferson said that we would need a revolution every twenty years, but he didn't say it would be easy.
You know, some days I kind of miss Adrian.
Our soldiers and marines are NOT fighting for the liberation of Iraq.
That may be what they think they are fighting for, but the truth is completely other: They are fighting 1) to preserve US/Global energy hegemony, 2) to provide a diversion for Israel (behind which Sharon can continue his policies of ethnically cleansing Gaza and the West bank), 3) to build a military and political stem-wall against inevitable Chinese influence in the region (since China is even MORE energy hungry than the West, having less of it domestically), and 4) to line the pockets of GOPhascist capitalist cronies with the blood-saturated profits of this illegal, immoral, imperialist war...
That is what they are dying for (1062 today, to date...)
You know, some days I kind of miss Adrian.
steve simels
Frightening thought, but I fully understand.
If you want to truly scare the base let them discover that we are going to build government schools in Iraq that look exactly like government schools in Swing State America.
I guess they couldn't find any plans for a home school, or they haven't started broadcasting This Old House: Baghdad.
Yeah, Konopelli but what about me? If you had a blog I could come and read it, which I am sure I would like.
Adrian I can live without, very easily. I miss Ricky Vandal (and the Church of Fandel) I'll never forget going to his site and listening to his music. Man, that kid could rock! (not)
Konopelli - I beg to differ with you on that "peoples' alternative" bullshit. Kerry is my choice, thank you very much.
You find me a perfect preznit and we'll talk. And don't you dare say "Ralph Nader."
Kerry is far more liberal than Bill Clinton, and I loved Bill Clinton as president. That was the best 8 years all around that I can recall the U.S. having in my life. Even with all the shit they threw at Bill, he did a hell of a good job.
Quit the hell trying to speak for me with your anarchist bullshit. I am a capitalist and I happen to believe that it is a good a valid system of government when it is administered judiciously by people with hearts and brains and good will for the country.
I am not in favor of any kind of extremism. It is dangerous and just flat wrong, no matter whether it is far left extremism or far right.
Atrios,
This computer disc story was on the news in San Diego several weeks ago and seems to have been forgotten.
I'm a Kerry supporter, and like Kerry I want to see the U.S. succeed in Iraq. So if the pressure of the campaign has somehow forced the Bush administration to come up with a strategy that actually is going to work, go for it!
What they are implementing sounds a lot like the Compustat system that Guiliani used in New York City with great success. If so, that would be highly ironic, as Kerry has been trashed for supposedly saying at one point that the response to terrorism would require more of law enforcement and intelligence effort than a war. So wouldn't it be rich if a system designed for law enforcement turned out to be the answer.
Tena, et al...
The skepticism quotient here is pretty low; too low, I fear, withal... I think you all have way too high-much expectations. Kerry is no saint, he's truly the lesser of two evils. He's not as bad as Bush (pending his cabinet selections), but he's not the progressive answer to the problems of America...
If i had a wish-list candidate, probably it was Dennis Kucenich. HE was/is a progressive and a liberal, but even he isn't unbesmirched by the taint of corporate influence.
Kerry will govern (IF there's an election, which is not stolen or otherwise invalidated) from the right of Richard Nixon.
That's hardly good news for this old librul, VVAW-scarred hippie, dear; one who fought Tricky Dicky his whole tenure.
Unlike Bush, Kerry will find it necessary and convenient to appease his critics.
He will not end the war this year or any time before 2006 at the earliest (which time is the earliest that either House of Congress can be snatched back from the hell-spawn GOPhascist pricks).
Kerry, too, will be compelled to support Allawi, who will be 'elected' prime minister if/when there are show-elections in Iraq in January. Allawi will merely be a replacement dictator, a more malleable, more indebted, more frangible version of the one whom we spent now almost 1100 lives to supplant.
Kerry will NOT be able to reverse, reign in, or even substantially alter, the regime of US militaristic expansion across the globe. He will NOT kill star wars. He will NOT reverse the PATRIOT ACT (because if he did, he would be pilloried by the fascist press).
He will NOT stop--or even much interfere with--the development, introduction and distribution of gm-foods (frankenfoods) into the US food supply.
He will HAVE to select conservative, Federalist Society judges, because any he selects who do not meet the approval of the DeLay/Frist/(Jeb)Bush axis of evil will simply never get to the floor.
I am working to elect John Kerry, and to elect a Congress which may have some sympathy for progressive policies and plans. I will vote for John Kerry (indeed, I already did, absentee).
But Kerry's sole charm to me is that he is NOT one of the Busholini fascisti, which, for now is enough...
sorry 'bout the bold-face overload...musta mista tag...
The modern cowardice of the media originated in the Reagan years when conservatives began linking "liberal" and "media." Whether it was true or not no longer matters. The mainstream media's reaction to the charge was to refuse to look into conservative malfeasance. The result is a president who was given a pass four years ago, and is still not challenged by the press. It was a brilliant move by the scorched-earth conservatives who can now act with impunity. WE NEED A PLAN TO COUNTER THIS. It should be obvious that truth is secondary to winning. Let's get some ideas generated.
ummm...alternative media...good blogs that are not allergic to research or logic...getting more and more "ordinary people" into altmed...that's actually kind of been happening, though...
OK, that Banana Republican Catalog is today's winner! Too freekin funny!
FBI-Newark says no threat
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/
news...olconcerns.html
"A spokesperson for Newark's FBI office now says there was never a specific threat against any of the schools, and he adds that the photos and floor plans found on the computer disc belonged to an Iraqi doctor who was doing research on education policy."
Read the school terror article and thought: Birch Run, MI? Why the hell would terrorists attack Birch Run, MI? Are they angling for gift certificates from the outlet stores? Better they should try nearby Frankenmuther, where they could get good chicken dinners and freebies from Bronners, the ultimate Xmas store.* Plus it's one of 11 cities in the running for the Beer Hall of Fame. Of course that wouldn't be a draw for non-drinking Islamic terrorists, but might pull in lots of Irish or German.
BTW, watched a program on ancient Sumeria (now Iraq) and it mentioned that among the earliest artifacts are recipes for beer. In fact, there indications of beer production at all the earliest human sites. Seems to be the mark of human civilization.
*I know Muslims don't see Jesus as the Son of God, but they revere him as a prophet; I understand the Koran contains Nativity stories. Or they could just have a weakness for kitsch.
So isn't it curious that these schools only happen to be located in swing states or states that BushCo think they can swing?
And I gotta be honest with you--considering how well-armed our kids are these days--I'd be a little worried for the terrorists--especially since the assault weapon ban has expired.
We already had this alert in San Diego on sept 30th
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