I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
frist?
DRUNK!
I hope every single last appointee assumes Bush meant *them*. Heheh.
One of the true marks of a sociopath.
I figured Bush meant people he appointed who subsequently disagreed with him publicly.
Kerry wins 2 out of 3 so far...
Bush is indeed batting 0 for 2.
2 down, one to go.
Write your LTE in support of this fact.
Don't let the SCLM spin this away from us
online polls arent enough by themselves.
I've thought for years that Bush is a sociopath. Now there's just no denying it.
I like the image of Bush as a "Lawn Sprinkler of Blame" laying the mistakes on everyone but himself. Truly stunning. I made mistakes in the people I surrounded myself with. I won't embarrass them by saying their names on TV. Talk about circling the wagons. The Blues Brothers against the world.
3rd: yeah it's never his fault because it's not his decision. He believes that everything he is doing is ordained from above and therefore can't be wrong. God does not make mistakes.
Actually I think the giraffe was an omnipotent blunder from the Supreme Being, but that's just my opinion.
First debate -- drugged Bush.
Second debate -- raving Bush.
Who will be the third?
Here's the Billion Dollar question:
Today, under the conditions of the moment, can the American people see the value of substance?
In a normal campaign year, Bush's winks and jokes would win this debate decisively with the American voter.
In a normal year, Kerry did not connect with the people enough.
Now--this is not a normal year. Maybe this is the year voters get through the bullshit and grasp substance.
God, I hope so. If so, then I can go with all of you who thought Kerry kicked Bush's ass. He certainly did kick his ass on substance.
But is that a winning tactic?
Maybe, this one year, it is.
So far, poll responses I have seen are encouraging. Maybe substance will fly this time.
How hard could it have been to prepare at least one minor thing that you could have done differently?
Bush was blindsided by that question once, and, you know, as they say in Texas, fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice, get ready to move back to Crawford.
Exactly.
Bush got this "name your mistakes" question before, remember? And the fact that he couldn't even fob and dodge around it is incredible.
The failure to answer is more than just a personal failing, but..an incredible example of staff incompetence. The fawning sycophants didn't even dare to force Bush to do some introspection.
and then, to top things off, Bush wouldn't even shake the questioner's hand. He avoided offering his hand to her. AND THAT:S PETTY, UNPRESIDENTIAL and just plain nasty.
Terror threat will be raised by noon. Mark my words.
I just figured out why Bush didn't know about that lumber company on his tax return. Laura invested in that lumber company. She needed the wood.
I figured Bush meant people he appointed who subsequently disagreed with him publicly.
wysiwyg
definitely.
Christie Todd Whitman, he's talking about you.
I can't find the ABC poll once I get on the website. Can anyone tell me where to find it?
I agree.
Bush's appointment by the Supreme Court was a mistake.
That is all.
I had the same thought all night watching this maniac, every single disaster that has befallen this presidency, and thusly this country, was somebody else's fault, Kerry smacked his ass down, period.
fuck my 8 yr old niece can hold more than at least 7 different concepts in her little wonderful head- the leader of the free world seems capable of 5-6
including poland-
oh and ron silver thinks bush won?
The woman wanted to know if he had learned anything during his first term that he would apply in the next fours if he wins and he can't think of anything.
Thresholder, I'll change one word and quote you:
"In a normal campaign year, Bush's winks and jokes would win this debate decisively with the American voter.
In a normal year, Gore did not connect with the people enough."
And of course we all know that Gore _did_ win.
I think the "appointments" comment could be played up. Which appointments? And why can't YOU take responsibility for anything?
the idiot on MSGOP sayinfg kerry won;... but somehow bush won too?
i need another nonoffensive word for whore?
I've made some mistakes: appointing people without making them sign the loyalty oath—we started using them way too late in my administration.
I won't make that mistake again.
On the name a mistake thing:
It isn't about incompetence.
The absolute foundation of the Right Wing claim to privilege is the assumption that they are holy and correct in all things. It's like the Papal claim to infallibility.
They cannot EVER admit to error.
If they did, the house of cards would collapse.
It would be like a Democrat admitting that he didn't like unions.
Thresholder, in a normal year, people would be choosing between two typical politicians. This year, Kerry is a typical politician (and is getting slammed for it), but Bush is a bizarre life-form of which Mother Nature should be ashamed.
Now goodnight, all. It's past midnight and my computer is starting to change back into a pumpkin (and my mouse to a... mouse).
Ann Coulter is the KETTLE FOR SATAN'S TEA BAG!
paul o'neill needs to get back out there and remind everybody that shrub was deadset on going to war with iraq, and this "the CIA fooled me" nonsense is just that.
kerry should've said, "we can't afford to wait for historians to judge shrub's mistakes. we must judge them now and hold him accountable on november 2nd. and don't forget poland."
i thought that this was a huge slam dunk opportunity for kerry to exploit, but i think he missed it. what he should have said, in my opinion, is that a) the preznit once again refused to answer the question
b) a president who fails to admit to ANY mistakes is not fit to lead this country...
or something to that effect... but instead, Kerry went on to his standard campaign talking points...
now granted, i realize that the election is in the hands of our fellow dumb americans... so he HAS to stick to simple talking points that the average obese american can understand.... but still, i feel like he was given a huge softball straight over the plate, and he hit a single...
What did Bush mean during the question about the Supereme Court appointments - - "I hope they vote for me"
Was that a hint at another Presidential Selection?
I thought he meant he had missed meetings! Like calendar appointments! And that's a really lame mistake to admit to. I'll have to go back to the transcripts.
Dear Leader does not make mistakes. He was appointed by God Almighty, and to say Dear Leader has made a mistake is to say God Almighty has made a mistake, which is impossible as you know.
The most astounding thing of all, to me, is that of those bad appointments whom he is not willing to identify because he doesn't want to embarrass them (finally some compassion) not one has been fired.
Says all you need to know.
Dear Leader does not make mistakes. He was appointed by God Almighty, and to say Dear Leader has made a mistake is to say God Almighty has made a mistake, which is impossible as you know.
Any guesses on Bush's appointments that he now views as mistakes?
Paul O'Neill?
Colin Powell?
Is my time up yet?
keqrops--interesting point!
He did win.
By a hair.
And not enough to overcome the Republicans' larceny.
This year, the larceny will be much vaster than it was in 2000.
If Kerry doesn't win by a lot more than Gore did, Bush will steal it again.
I'm going to take a moment and write Charles Gibson a thank you note. Really, the questions he picked were better than I expected.
After hours is pulling out Ron Silver again?
Who next? Tonya Harding?
Bush got this "name your mistakes" question before, remember? And the fact that he couldn't even fob and dodge around it is incredible.
Oh, it's worse than that. If you listen closely, you'll hear him come close to saying some cliche phrase that involves words like "failure" or "shame" or "mistake"...and then he'll pause for a few seconds, and something else--something unexpected or even nonsensical--will come out.
I thought that was the case with his "fool me once" flub...he simply could NOT bring himself to say "shame on me," not even in that context. I thought my suspicion was kind of a stretch at the time, but I've heard him stop dead and back away from similar phrases so many times...the simple fact is, he's crazier than a shithouse rat.
i thought that this was a huge slam dunk opportunity for kerry to exploit, but i think he missed it. what he should have said, in my opinion, is that a) the preznit once again refused to answer the question
b) a president who fails to admit to ANY mistakes is not fit to lead this country...
or something to that effect... but instead, Kerry went on to his standard campaign talking points...
now granted, i realize that the election is in the hands of our fellow dumb americans... so he HAS to stick to simple talking points that the average obese american can understand.... but still, i feel like he was given a huge softball straight over the plate, and he hit a single...
You can't get the wood you know...
The way he turned that "3 mistakes" question around and started yelling defensively was bizarre. He could actually have given a decent answer to that, but he is constitutionally incapable of admitting on any level that he made a misjudgment about anything.
Appointments? Yeah, he thinks his big mistakes were Larry Lindsey and Paul O'Neill because they dared to tell him the truth.
Bush didn't make those appointments.
He nominates people, and the senate gets advice and consent.
In other words, "I haven't made a single personal mistake. Not one. No ever. I am inspired by God!"
When will Dr. Krathhammer diagnose him as delusional? Any bets?
Punditstan's trying to be "fair and balanced" with a too-quick tendency to award this one to BUsh. The gaggle I saw most of the debate with (wide age-range and circumstance-range) saw the pRez repeat his usual stuff only at a higher volume and with more belligerence -- not really a selling point for people coming to the discussion later than firmly decided voters.
Repeating that Kerry's a librul ... BOO! ... and following Kerry's specificity with more head-bobbing Tuff Chimp crap was more desperately aimed at hanging onto his base. Kerry seemed more at ease, more grounded in reality, more comfortable with himself and his position.
Chimpy sounded whiny and pleading in followups. "But but mah opponent's ... he's a librul!! WHo'll lie, I tell ya!" when just proven to be huge liar himself would make any undecided voter with half a brain recoil at the thought of four more years of this moron. That moment of snapping at Gibson was the debate in a nutshell.
Unhinged. Wild-eyed. Vascillating. Losing his cool. Chimp, heal thyself.
grytpype said:
"Dear Leader does not make mistakes. He was appointed by God Almighty"
But Ann Coulter is still THE KETTLE FOR SATAN'S TEA BAG!
The man has a patholigical need to push all blame outside of himself. I suppose his is a dependent personality disorder. Not surprising considering he had a long sucessful career as an alcoholic and addict.
(This is my letter in response to the latest Bush thing on mistakes): Hearing George Bush fumble and stumble when asked to identify his mistakes was painful, especially when his mistakes are so painfully obvious to so many of us in this country and around the world.
Ask any family who lost a loved one on Sept 11, and they'll say that his lack of a sense of urgency after briefings on the terrorist threatwith George Tenent and receiving a briefing entitled "Al Quaeda Poised to Strike WIthin the U.S." How could he not see that his failure to address this briefing was a catastrophic mistake. From there the mistakes are many. He has placed our great nation into a negative vortex which is going to be very difficult to rise above. My hope is that we have the greatness of heart to see that there is only one viable choice for president at this time, and that is John Kerry. Another 4 years of the Bush White House would be a this country's greatest mistake.
The most astounding thing of all, to me, is that of those bad appointments whom he is not willing to identify because he doesn't want to embarrass them (finally some compassion) not one has been fired.
How about Jay Garner? Or Paul O'Neill?
I figured Bush meant people he appointed who subsequently disagreed with him publicly.
That was my immediate reaction, too. It just made Bush look even more petty. He was basically saying the only mistakes he ever made were in picking people who weren't yes-men.
Karin--you are correct.
Gibson was much better than Lehrer. I didn't see Ifill, though she normally sux.
Gibson picked damn good questions.
But then, the voters asked great ones!
Like Mark Crispin Miller illustrated in "The Bush Dyslexicon", w is in incapable of admitting to a mistake, in any capacity.
It will be his downfall.
This man's arrogance is unbelievable. He cannot admit a single mistake. WE all deserve a better President than this.
In some far flung and unlikely utopian society the people in general would see bush's complete inability to even acknowledge his own fallibility, his own humanity, would be enough to discredit him utterly.
But sadly, the sheeple want to believe the preznit is always right and admitting humanity only makes their god mortal, therefore, quite undesirable since it means owning up to their humble existence.
Fucking sheeple.
Kerry won. Nuff said.
"I asked my Generals, "do you have enough troopps? I asked Tommy Franks. They all said yes."
Now coming in an ad next week:
Pissed Generals for Truth
Completely agree. Wish Gibson had followed up the comment about bad appointments. No one has thus far been fired or made accountable for bad decisions. What has he done about those bad appointments?
This guy externalizes responsibility for everything. In his so called major policy speech he said that Kerry made him make the faces in the first debate. In this debate he said Kerry almost made him grimace. So if I've got this right, Bush doesn't control his own facial muscles, Kerry does? Damn, that's some powerful Voodoo!
I'd like to admit a mistake:
I should have gotten out of this country the minute the Supreme Court turned the country over to a rich murdering idiot.
There are about 100 countries where I'd have felt as good or better for the last four years, countries that haven't slaughtered thousands of people for NO GODDAMN REASON.
Peace.
ALL KERRY HAS TO SAY TO WIN:
1) HEMP BIOMASS
2) THERAPEUTIC MARIJUANA
IF HE DOES, HE WINS.
IF HE DOESN'T, BUSH WINS.
SIMPLE.
Kerry missed a HUGE opportunity re the last question about the three Bush mistakes. Instead of zeroing in on Iraq and other Bush mistakes that our fearless leader refuses to acknowledge, Kerry should have said something like "I work my heart out to do what is right for this country and the American people....but I can't promise you that I'll never make a mistake...but I will promise you that I'll level with you and be honest with you and take responsibility for my decisions both the right ones and the wrong ones, if any unlike Mr. Bush who even right here refuses to acknowledge the many many policy mistakes from Iraq to the economy we all have seen these last four years."
Speedy,
It ain't over 'till it's over.
Not that I haven't had the same thoughts, but hang tight for a bit.
A classic line, verbatim:
BUSH: Embryonic stem-cell research requires the destruction of life to create a stem cell. I'm the first president ever to allow funding -- federal funding -- for embryonic stem-cell research.
'Nuff said.
Poncho and Lefty, the giraffe is a noble and graceful animal. The mosquito, on the other hand...
What are "battling green eyeshades"?
Pleasant surprise: review clips gleaned from DKos:
Mort Kondracke: "... I think Kerry won this debate as he won the first debate I don't think... I thought that Kerry was much more aggressive and the president was basically on the defense and didn't have new arguments didn't have...wasn't as facile as he should have been." [Fox News Channel, 10/8/04]
Bill Kristol: "I guess I think if you think the President was doing okay and didn't need a win in this debate, he did fine, but I think, if one thinks that Bush missed an awful lot of opportunities to go after Kerry in the first debate he had to make some of them up in this debate, I'm not sure he really succeeded in doing so." [Fox New Channel, 10/8/04]
Brit Hume: "Is it now fair to say that in each of these debates in terms of marshaling arguments, and remembering them and presenting them that this is something John Kerry has proved he is very good at. And that it doesn't play to the president's strong suit." [Fox News Channel, 10/8/04]
Mort Kondracke: "I thought [Kerry] was very effective. I thought that he was also on the attack a lot and frankly I thought that the President seemed to be on the defense a lot and trying to explain things and not explaining them all that well." [Fox News Channel, 10/8/04]
Tim Russert: "John Kerry, also, energetic, forceful." [NBC, 10/8/04]
Jonah Goldberg: "On the question of whether Bush did everything he needed to tonight, I don't think so. I think he helped himself, but Kerry leaves these debates energized." [National Review Online, 10/8/04]
Mark Shields: "He just absolutely, I thought, demolished the President's claims about the coalition in Iraq." [PBS, 10/8/04]
James Fallows, Atlantic Monthly: [Kerry's best moment] "I think his best moment was at the series of new lines. Again like this Missouri line of saying that that I was able to do with some of my votes in the Senate what you have failed to do, which is balance the budget, so I think it was the general vividness of his approach." [CBS, 10/8/04]
Perry Bacon: "I actually was struck that Kerry was pretty strong, I thought, in the foreign policy section, actually, and sort of hit the president hard on that." [CNN, 10/8/04]
No, it's even worse than that. It means that the people who disagree with him and have resigned are mistakes of his - he only wants people who agree with him.
So now Kerry can ask the obvious question:
Mr. President, regarding your arguments for invading Iraq, based on your own administration's intelligence: was it a mistake, or a lie?
Want some wood? I've got it right here in the trunk of my hydrogen-generated car. That's reality. But I'm not going to tell. Because I really haven't thought about who I'll appoint. Because that was my only mistake. And besides, I want them to vote for me. And not vote for Dred Scott. So that water complaints will be down. It's a balance of science and ethics. I hear about it a lot on the internets.
Pleasant surprise: review clips gleaned from DKos:
Mort Kondracke: "... I think Kerry won this debate as he won the first debate I don't think... I thought that Kerry was much more aggressive and the president was basically on the defense and didn't have new arguments didn't have...wasn't as facile as he should have been." [Fox News Channel, 10/8/04]
Bill Kristol: "I guess I think if you think the President was doing okay and didn't need a win in this debate, he did fine, but I think, if one thinks that Bush missed an awful lot of opportunities to go after Kerry in the first debate he had to make some of them up in this debate, I'm not sure he really succeeded in doing so." [Fox New Channel, 10/8/04]
Brit Hume: "Is it now fair to say that in each of these debates in terms of marshaling arguments, and remembering them and presenting them that this is something John Kerry has proved he is very good at. And that it doesn't play to the president's strong suit." [Fox News Channel, 10/8/04]
Mort Kondracke: "I thought [Kerry] was very effective. I thought that he was also on the attack a lot and frankly I thought that the President seemed to be on the defense a lot and trying to explain things and not explaining them all that well." [Fox News Channel, 10/8/04]
Tim Russert: "John Kerry, also, energetic, forceful." [NBC, 10/8/04]
Jonah Goldberg: "On the question of whether Bush did everything he needed to tonight, I don't think so. I think he helped himself, but Kerry leaves these debates energized." [National Review Online, 10/8/04]
Mark Shields: "He just absolutely, I thought, demolished the President's claims about the coalition in Iraq." [PBS, 10/8/04]
James Fallows, Atlantic Monthly: [Kerry's best moment] "I think his best moment was at the series of new lines. Again like this Missouri line of saying that that I was able to do with some of my votes in the Senate what you have failed to do, which is balance the budget, so I think it was the general vividness of his approach." [CBS, 10/8/04]
Perry Bacon: "I actually was struck that Kerry was pretty strong, I thought, in the foreign policy section, actually, and sort of hit the president hard on that." [CNN, 10/8/04]
lets see if i can spell this word correctly this time. Bush is an abject, pusillimanious, coward.
Kerry could have had a stronger performance, but bush looked insane. I don't know if he is insane, but he is clearly out of touch with reality. I thought he was going to physically accost Charlie Gibson.
yeah, and what Speedy said.
Hey, REALITY,
Can I have some of what you're smokin'?
Pleasant surprise: review clips gleaned from DKos:
Mort Kondracke: "... I think Kerry won this debate as he won the first debate I don't think... I thought that Kerry was much more aggressive and the president was basically on the defense and didn't have new arguments didn't have...wasn't as facile as he should have been." [Fox News Channel, 10/8/04]
Bill Kristol: "I guess I think if you think the President was doing okay and didn't need a win in this debate, he did fine, but I think, if one thinks that Bush missed an awful lot of opportunities to go after Kerry in the first debate he had to make some of them up in this debate, I'm not sure he really succeeded in doing so." [Fox New Channel, 10/8/04]
Brit Hume: "Is it now fair to say that in each of these debates in terms of marshaling arguments, and remembering them and presenting them that this is something John Kerry has proved he is very good at. And that it doesn't play to the president's strong suit." [Fox News Channel, 10/8/04]
Mort Kondracke: "I thought [Kerry] was very effective. I thought that he was also on the attack a lot and frankly I thought that the President seemed to be on the defense a lot and trying to explain things and not explaining them all that well." [Fox News Channel, 10/8/04]
Tim Russert: "John Kerry, also, energetic, forceful." [NBC, 10/8/04]
Jonah Goldberg: "On the question of whether Bush did everything he needed to tonight, I don't think so. I think he helped himself, but Kerry leaves these debates energized." [National Review Online, 10/8/04]
Mark Shields: "He just absolutely, I thought, demolished the President's claims about the coalition in Iraq." [PBS, 10/8/04]
James Fallows, Atlantic Monthly: [Kerry's best moment] "I think his best moment was at the series of new lines. Again like this Missouri line of saying that that I was able to do with some of my votes in the Senate what you have failed to do, which is balance the budget, so I think it was the general vividness of his approach." [CBS, 10/8/04]
Perry Bacon: "I actually was struck that Kerry was pretty strong, I thought, in the foreign policy section, actually, and sort of hit the president hard on that." [CNN, 10/8/04]
If Kerry can make Bush's facial muscles move from seven feet away, why doesn't he make Bush's head spin around and spew green vomit.
And what happened to the crispy bacon, the kind we had before the war?
prez iz a punk
It really was an answer on the lines of: "I thought I'd made a mistake once. But I was wrong."
What are "battling green eyeshades"?
Folks breed them and bet on them down in Mexico. You might say it's a small business.
Or he's talking about some journalism awards...
Oh bankers! Yeah, it's a bad bankers joke. I get it.
Donut, I think you're right, Big John did miss an opportunity there. I think he could say, "yes I'll make mistakes, but I will never hold on to a stupid decision just to show I never made a mistake...
I was again wowed by John's restraint, not running circles round Bush and showing him for the incompetent feckless fool he is.
Still, I do wish John had answered that he made mistakes in the last 4 years himself-- like falling for the doctored intelleigence reports and thereby voting to give an incompetent President power far beyond his wisdom & ability; like not responding more forcefully on the Swift Boat attacks; like not recognizing sooner that the biggest threat to American security was in fact the man across the stage from him...
In all I'd say John got across his competence, his calm, his deep earnest commitment to serving this country. I'm glad he did all that! Nevertheless, your idea was the best I've seen so far.
Georgie Bush is the result of that one load that his mama should have swallowed
i need another nonoffensive word for whore?
no whore is good, and WTF is Ben Ginsburg doing on that panel? i didn't use WTF but i did email hardball asking that question. cmon he's a total political hot potato, and it's not that he's a conservative, but c'mon, sbvt.
by the way been posting this as much as i can all the All the Media Addresses it's really quite exhaustive. pass it around, use it.
He's fallen in the wah tah!
How could Bush pick just three? What has he ever done right? I honestly think the National No-Call list is about the only good thing the man has ever done and even that has plenty of problems.
Does anybody know which appointments are the mistakes he was referring to?
For a question about mistakes, Shrub sure spent a lot of his answer on Iraq of all things.
Is He catching on?
Nah.
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this was a squandered opportunity.
How hard would it have been to answer this question? Especially for someone who has had basically everything he touched turn to shit?
The caliber of man we have come to expect in this office would have been big enough to admit some errors of judgment, some lessons learned from the four years he has spent as president. I can imagine Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, or Bill Clinton answering this question in ways that would have been reassuring in that thet exhibited the capacity to learn from experience.
This guy, no. All he can do is demonstrate once again his obvious detachment from reality.
And I don't see the bit about appointments so much blaming others as sincere regret for what turned out to be tactical political errors. No doubt that's been weighing heavy on his mind this week.
It's not too hard to construct that list of people he regrets appointing: Jerry Bremer obviously tops the list, followed closely by David Kay and Charles Duelfer. The man cannot see beyond avenging his own embarrassment.
he
(way excuse me)
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Anne in WI -
YES, YOU CAN!
WE ALL CAN!
THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF IT!
HEMP LIBERTY!
MARIJUANA THERAPY!
ASK ISRAELI SOLDIERS!
ASK MAYOR DALEY!
thanx thresholder, maybe there is hope yet. or the media is reading the handwriting on the wall. the few seconds i saw of MSNBX was still way to much bush spin for me. CNN was more ballanced, but i've been avoiding the whores lately.
no whore is good, and WTF is Ben Ginsburg doing on that panel?
no i mean that whores provide a useful service... these fucks are only for themselves, no return.
re-watching now on c-span with the sound off. Damn, smirky blinks alot.
On the mistakes question, I was half hoping Kerry would sieze the moment and say how Bush was incapable of admitting a mistake, so he can't learn from them, etc, but let me tell you somethat I've learned from. I know it's running a huge risk of the KERRY ADMITS MISTAKES headline, but I wonder if the humility shown would have helped, especially in countering the (bogus) claims of his "lecturing" style.
the green eyeshades reference had to do with accountants (aka 'bean counters') what struck me about it was how sort of old school ceo that remark was -- like, thats a discussion for those bean counters... (the 'scribes' who record data for the pharoah, perhaps..)
Georgie Bush is the result of that one load that his mama should have swallowed
And with that horrific image corroding my neurons, it's bedtime.
Kerry won. Sleep tight, all.
It was clear from this debate that Kerry respects others opinions and beliefs, whereas Bush does not.
I wonder if Bush talks to foreign leaders in the harsh, lecturing, condescending tones he employed this evening in order to look strong and manly.
Who the fuck is Perry Bacon?
This hardcore MSNBC fan has blocked channel 23 on the cable receiver. I was insulted by the inclusion of Ginsberg on the debate coverage panel.
His appearance discounted any effort at "truth" before they even started.
Debate One: Bush smirking, eyerolling and confused.
Debate Two: Bush screaming, incoherent and histrionic.
Why doesn't Bush know who he is? What's next, EARTHTONES?
debate one:
lot's of ganja.
debate two:
a line or two of the blow.
a nonpejorative term for "whore", which more accurately reflects their valued function in society (and is used in public health circles, by the way) is
"commercial sex worker"
This hardcore MSNBC fan has blocked channel 23 on the cable receiver. I was insulted by the inclusion of Ginsberg on the debate coverage panel.
i can understand your convictions, but to watch these rethugs go "deer in the headlights over their fearless leader" and then have the online poll make them look stupid is worth watching the whole debate; this class of pundits have to be the laziest group of scumbags i have ever seen; they don't even go to the uncertain place (how it's playing out there in the country); they harken back to the base of voters who have already made their choice which is a cozy and boring place ... some of the new blood on the panel (and I'm discounting ron silver from all of this, who should be sent on the next beheading express to najaf) are making all the right points - they are cutting it right down the middle and dissecting how it's playing out in the undecided turf -- why? because this new blood remembers the hard work for little money fetching coffee in spin rooms and buying donuts for the focus groups -- it's so obvious watching fineman, mitchell, matthews, buchanon, etc, that they are so lost they'd need a flashlight to find their own assholes at this point
"battling green eyeshades" is a mistranslation of what he heard in his earpiece. There should be a contest to determine what they wanted him to say.
"I didn't do it"-- check out this site! 
www.cafepress.com/GeorgeWBart
Has an hysterical cartoon of Bush as Bart Simpson, and Cheney as Montgomery Burns.
Kerry could have said one mistake he has made has been underestimating the depths to which the Bush campaign would go to smear him and the degree of complicity the media shows in spreading the smear.
I can't stand it anymore.
If Bush's team is too stupid to come up with some mistakes for W to 'fess up to, then he doesn't deserve reelection.
How hard is it to come up with a single mistake in the months since the press conference?????
I'm physically and mentally exhausted but I came up with these costless mistakes fairly easily:
Treating Sen. Jeffords so poorly that he forced Jeffords to leave the party, thereby giving control of the Senate to the Dems.
Failing to insist on the child tax credit for the income group that got left out by the House.
Failing to insist on a larger "rebate" in the summer 2001.
Calling the Afghan invasion a "crusade."
Joking about not being able to find WMD.
How hard is it to think of mistakes that won't cause less damage than never admitting mistakes in the first place????
I swear these people couldn't pour pee from a boot with instructions written on the heel.
In a normal campaign year, Bush's winks and jokes would win this debate decisively with the American voter.
Bullshit. His behavior tonight would not have won him dick, this year or any other.
This was not the same type of performance that let the 2000 spin doctors call the debate two days later for Bush over Gore.
Tonight, Bush was Captain Queeg, no doubt about it, and anyone who says otherwise is lying. This was scary.
That is to say, the only mistake he made is some other folks screwing up their jobs.
He proved with "geometric logic"...
Bush's Three Mistakes:
I thought maybe I made I mistake once, but I was wrong about that.
Sure, I made some mistakes: I appointed some people who said I make mistakes.
That's all I got...
Spin how Bush looked angry and petulant again.
Georgie Bush is the result of that one load that his mama should have swallowed
MmmmHmmm. I think I opined oncet before, if Barbie had given a better blowjob, or at least a few more of 'em, we wouldn't be in this mess.
How can Bush admit he was wrong about anything when he is God's appointed instrument on earth? Don't you know His Hineyness cannot make an error? He is incapable of a mistake because he is filled with the spirit of God.
Now y'all go sit in the corner and read your Bibles. Read the part about the antichrist.
Did anybody find him likeable?
I don't get all this talk about how he's so cool to hang out with. He's so full of himself how could he be good company?
The fact that he would not obey his own rules for the debates shows that he thinks he is better than anything or anyone. I find that a real turn-off.
BUSH IS QUEEG
I really wish Kerry had seized the opportunity to hit the "Bush is out of touch with reality" theme. I mean, I was just waiting for it and it never came.
Bush said this week that knowing what he knows now, he would have done everything exactly the same in regards to Iraq.
Oh, really?
You wouldn't have sent more troops, Mr. President?
You wouldn't have done more to stop the looting, Mr. President?
You wouldn't have armored the Humvees or given enough body armor for our troops?
I'm telling you, this theme is a winner. it needs to be pushed even harder. Bush hasn't got a clue about what things are really like.
One of the great things about this debate, and I don't know if anyone else has noticed, is that Kerry successfully debated as a Democrat. I was reading the Op-Ed on the NYT by Purim (sp?) about the debate, and he said something like "Bush was speaking to his base while Kerry was reaching out to Republican voters." Actually, Kerry was speaking directly to his base, it's just that alot of people seem to have forgotten what a decent honest Democrat sounds like. The fact that he was able to do that (with his Abortion answer, for instance) and appear as reaching across the divide is a testament to how good he is, and how much his politics resonates with the rest of America.
Gordon the Magnificent: ruler of an alternative universe!
Gordon the Meconium:
Thanks for dropping by here.
On the evidence of your inane double-posted note, your self-congratulatory handle, your retarded website, and your picture there, it's clear why you are so strongly attracted to the smirking chimp. Mindless good-ol'-boy juvenility and immaturity loves company. I just hope you aren't as morally, psychologically and chemically fucked up as he is.
So let's get this straight once and for all.
Bush's MO
"It's hard work but I didn't do it!"
i thought the way kerry should have responded to this question when it was his turn to respond would have been to address the questioner directly. ask her whether she wanted him to name 3 mistakes bush had made, or 3 mistakes he himself had made. it could have been interesting.
i haven't seen anyone pick up on this, but i would have loved to have been a fly on the wall at that meeting he had with the generals on the ground in the basement of the white house.
First time post, long time lurker here. This forum keeps me sane. As catharsis, I thought I would share the letter I submitted to the (Portland) Oregonian this evening:
Perhaps the most telling moment of the second presidential debate was Mr. Bush’s refusal to acknowledge any meaningful mistake he has made during his tenure in office. His deflection of the question demonstrates a crippling weakness that makes Mr. Bush unfit to lead. In such a precarious time for our nation, we cannot rely on a president whose arrogant blindness prevents him from recognizing the vital lessons learned from failure. If Mr. Bush believes that taking no action after receiving a briefing on August 6, 2001 entitled “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.” does not represent an error in judgment, how can we trust him to have the wisdom to prevent another terrorist attack on our soil?
To me, this was a huge point in the debate. Bush completely dodged the question. He didn't even come close to answering the question. I really wish Kerry would have jumped on it and mentioned that Bush avoided the question and then pointed out 3 mistakes that Bush has made (which is incredibly easy to do).
The fact is, this administration has never admitted a mistake and it seems to be their strategy to never do so, no matter what. No matter how bad things get.
Why does he seem to think that the only people qualified to judge the mistakes of his administration are historians? It's always, "historians might say, 'well, they could have done this or that.'" He gives the impression that he thinks no one else is qualified to tell him he f'ed up.
Anyway, we all know that three names sprung to mind -- O'Neill, that faith-based initiatives guy and probably David Kay.
sekmet writes:
"If Kerry can make Bush's facial muscles move from seven feet away, why doesn't he make Bush's head spin around and spew green vomit."
While Kerry might not do either, Haldol can do both.
That is, Haldol can cause tardive dyskinesia (facial contortions, working of the jaw, rapid blinking); and in the case of W's father, Haldol apparently did cause his vomiting into the lap of Japan's Prime Minister.
So you're ahead of the pack in suspecting a common cause of the two phenomena.
Sinclair Group to air Anti-Kerry film on even of election
I think we have big things to worry about here.
thought the way kerry should have responded to this question when it was his turn to respond would have been to address the questioner directly. ask her whether she wanted him to name 3 mistakes bush had made, or 3 mistakes he himself had made. it could have been interesting.
I liked the fact that Kerry did not request a follow-up. Bush dug his own grave by so obviously dancing around the question and blaming anyone but himself. If Kerry had admitted mistakes the right-wing-spinners would turn that into attack ads and say that the listed Bush mistakes are just a liberal smear campaign.
On the other hand, it's not at all clear that enough Americans realized Bush's shortcoming in dodging this question.
I was cheering when the woman asked that question, because I knew Bush wouldn't be able to answer it. He should have been; he should have known it was coming. Someone in his campaign should have remembered all the discussion about that question in the news conference, and come up with something that he could have said.
I'm wondering, in fact, whether he didn't have something to say to that question. I'm thinking they would have prepared it for him, but in the end, he just couldn't say it. He couldn't admit to making any mistakes, making any errors. He couldn't even answer theoretically what he would do if he ever did make a mistake, how he would correct a mistake (which was also an important part of her question, IMO). There you saw the soul of the man: he hasn't made any mistakes, he never will make any mistakes, he's never even considered what he might do if he did make a mistake.
NYTimes has an article today on the bulge in Bush's back during the first debate. Best line, in response to the Bush camp saying it must have been a "rumpling" in the fabric: "(Bush rep) could not say why the 'rumpling' was rectangular."
They also deny he was even wearing a bulletproof vest.
NYTimes
He also tried to turn the question on the woman who asked it, making it seem as if she were a plant trying to GOTCHA him: "That's really what you're -- when they ask about the mistakes, that's what they're talking about. They're trying to say, "Did you make a mistake going into Iraq?" And the answer is, "Absolutely not." It was the right decision."
Yeah, Poppy, I forgot that part. It was as if anyone who could consider asking a question like that had to be someone sneaked in by those damn liberals to catch him. She didn't even mention Iraq; he could possibly have gotten out of that question without mentioning Iraq, but he had to make it about Iraq, to answer the question he assumed she was asking.
Bush is toast:
(from CNN)
A CNN/USA Today/Gallup snap poll taken immediately after the presidential debate Friday night found that respondents gave a slight, statistically insignificant edge to Sen. John Kerry over President Bush, 47 percent to 45 percent.
The respondents included 515 registered voters who watched the debate. Their political affiliations broke down as 38 percent Republican, 32 percent Democratic and 30 percent independent.
In other words, even in polls with 40% GOP, and a FIVE POINT advantage over Dems, Bush still loses the debate.
As JMM points out, the appointments he considers mistakes are likely the ones who criticized him.
So Bush is saying that his biggest mistake was appointing people who criticized his mistakes!
Talk radio hosts on "K-Babble" discuss the "I Didn't Do It" Kid (The Simpsons, "Bart Gets Famous"):
Marty: Say, speaking of one-trick ponies, whatever happened to that "I didn't do it" kid?
Bill: Boy, did THAT get old fast. Whoa! You know, if you want to last in this business, you've gotta stay fresh! [a slide-whistle and clown horn play]
By the "appointments" he made that were his only mistakes, I took that to mean the people who have now written books about him that expose him and his administration for what it is.
Good on Gibson for saving that question for last. Final impression of Bush: a man who can't admit a mistake.
Why won't Bush take his physical? Would that demonstrate some mistakes that he's made over the course of his life?
And why doesn't he want to hurt their feelings on national TV? Not only does no one pay any price for their actions in this administration, we musn't hurt their feelings either? Some leader Bush is.
Think about the only thing he pointed to as a mistake: appointments. That is to say, the only mistake he made is some other folks screwing up their jobs. Even his single mistake is someone else's fault.
It's a variant the textbook answer to the question on the Harvard B-School admission application, "What is your greatest weakness?" According to legend--or maybe it's a genuine statistic--something like 75% of the respondents answer with some version of "My greatest failing is that I tend to be impatient with the inadequacies of others."
All those B-schoolers, thinking they're so clever at being the one who figured out the shrewdest dodge around this trap-question. 75% of 'em.
Exactly what Kerry should have said but didn't.
Along with Bush, there was something else discredited last night - it was the MSNBC post-debate coverage.
Chris Matthews ran an ugly and biased
show.
Was Gordon the Asshole watching the same debate the rest of us here on planet Earth were watching?
I've said in prior posts that anyone who supports Bush is an even bigger asshole than Bush is.
Gordon proved my point!
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