I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Am I Frist?
Frist
I am
That freaking showed that Bush is not paying attention to other people. He's supposed to, isn't that one of his fortes? It also shows that he was quite confused at that point. A confused president makes me very worried.
What a goddamn asshole. If Kerry woulda done that, the media woulda ripped him a new asshole.
Very presidential.
And I'm a booby's left nut.
Boring, no?
msnbc tried to spin that it was a good thing.
fricking facists
"I'm a people person, dammit! That's what I do! I'M GOOD WITH PEOPLE!"
Do the Internets in Poland need any wood?
I got plenty, baby.
Wolcott:
Kerry is grinding Bush into such fine pencil shavings that even Peggy Noonan will not be able to sweep him up and make him whole.
Truly, had that outrageous display been from Kerry the chattering heads would never let it go. Not watching the post-debate spin, but is anyone even talking about it?
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That was a fucking meltdown. MSGOP is saying that Bushies will admire it, while non-Bushies will be repelled by it. And I suspect that uncommitted voters are repelled.
How dare anyone question me. Same as the last time.
"Look... I'm a people person damn it! What the hell is wrong with all of you?!?"
Sure, Bush was rude and possibly psychotic, but damn it- he didn't forget Poland!
Oh, and Fineman is a fucking whore tonight.
I'm trying to avoid the post-debate spin. It's pissing me off too much. Bush did not humiliate himself like last time, but he still came off as angry, ill-tempered, and desperate. Kerry looked calm, likeable and, dare I say, presidential.
And Bush really does need to be called on treating the moderators like they're his staff.
George's forte is chugging from a beer bong without blowing vomit out his nose.
Which was useful in the last job he did well, being a frat president.
Caption should read: Here! Here's the guy who should be president... He can write!
HEMP BIODIESEL
MARIJUANA THERAPY
PUT IT OVER THE TOP, KERRY
OR PUT IT TO REST
He shoots, he scores:
Criticizing the president's decision to invade the Persian Gulf nation, the Democrat said, "If we'd use smart diplomacy, we could have saved $200 billion and an invasion of Iraq and right now Osama bin Laden might be in jail or dead. That's the war on terror."
Meanwhile, what the fuck is this:
One questioner asked Mr. Bush whom he would pick if there were a Supreme Court vacancy. "I'm not telling you," the president said. "I really haven't picked anybody yet." He added lightheartedly, "Plus I want them all voting for me."
This fucking scumbag is going down big.
Just heard on CNN. GWB walks like he is waiting for his Right Guard to dry.
Ha Ha Ha!!!
Do you blame Bush for freaking? I mean, does Bush have to spell it out every time? Jesus Christ, we got Italy AND Poland on our side!
Name one president who has managed to do that? You want alliances, I give you freaking Italy AND Poland. Not just Italy without Poland, or Poland with no Italy, but both of them; together; at the same time.
Now that's something to shout about.
The pundits are basically admitting it: they want to call it for Bush to make the domestic debate the rubber game, and extend the whoredom.
Chuck Todd, at least, is calling it as he sees it: Bush is angry, and will lose the spin war.
CNN is effectively saying "it's a tie but the victory goes to Bush." Bush lied his fucking teeth out by saying innumerable times that Kerry was the most liberal U.S. Senator, according to National Journal. That estimate is only based on the ratings of one year when Kerry was out campaigning for president and had to miss many votes. The lifetime score says Kerry ranks 11th when you look at lifetime ratings.
Bush lost the debate, and he lied while he laughed in the public's face. Now CNN, MSNBC and the networks are declaring him the winner because he was able to complete a sentence and "assured his base." All the polls out so far show the public thought at least by a little that Kerry won. But the press is spinning it to manipulate public opinion in favor of Bush.
We have to write in and attack these media fucks right now! Atrios, can you please help us do something about this coverage? We have to act en masse to fight the media's pro-Bush biased coverage. If we don't, then, by the weekend, these media people will spin Kerry into the loser of the debate.
I hope this is the defining moment of the campaign.This is how junior deserves to be remembered.
Junior is a mentally challenged sibling of disfunctionality and should be reguarded as such.
I deal with the terra-ists so you Americans don't have to... Don't you get it!? I'm a people person god damn it! What the hell is wrong with you!?"
Hey, guys:
On second viewing Mr. Kate has discovered the Bush must have been wearing an anti-smirk dental device. We watched him speak, and react when Kerry was speaking (on C-Span's split screen) with the sound turned off. Try it, and watch his jaw. He keeps moving his jaw from side to side, and his lips barely meet when his mouth is closed. I mean, he may be able to close his lips, but it's obvious that his teeth are not touching. The repetitive jaw movements are also just what you would expect if you had an unaccustomed "appliance" or other dental device in your mouth.
Can you believe it? They actually installed anti-smirk hardware, because the man cannot control himself.
Take a look at video of him at this debate, and see if you don't think Mr. Kate is right about this.
Bush: "liberals create government-sponsored healthcare...that's what they do."
OH man I'm so ashamed now to be a liberal. How dare we want to have universal healthcare? That's sooo socialist and Canadian.
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As usual, Gilliard nails it:
...I was surprised that Bush didn't get overtly nasty, but his lies were bad. He even lied about owning a timber company.
What was even more amazing was that Kerry repeatedly called Bush a liar. Not once or twice, but directly and to the audience. He kept saying "Bush is lying, here's what the rest of us see" . And the Bush campaign doesn't ever respond. They don't even argue the point. Bush seems to think merely inhabiting the office of the presidency makes him more honest and more right.
What undid Bush in this debate was his arrogance. He still thinks of Kerry as a lesser being while Kerry kicks his ass like a soccerball at Old Trafford. He defends his decisions as disagreeing with him is somehow the mark of idiocy instead of common sense. Kerry calls him a liar with every answer and Bush tries to belittle him like a bully. And it doesn't work. Isn't even coming close.
I think it will take time to set in. Also he was less angry towards the end. But replay his angry moments often enough...
I think we can all now start calling GWB "Ole Yeller."
When Bush is talking about Iraq, it's all Berlusconi and Tony and Alexander. When it's Kyoto, it's them capitols in Europe.
fantasyland! Where does he think his good buddies work all day long?
The name of my new band:
Battling Green Eyeshades
Very presidential.
And I'm a booby's left nut.
wÒÓ†
And wÒÓ† knows from boobies!!
Kerry also made it a point to refer to previous questions and the names of the person who asked that question. I remember Bush tried to use the guy's name who asked the current question he was supposed to answer and he forgot.
Thank God, though, that the idiot knows who that Ted Kennedy is the most liberal Senator in the U.S.
He must have read it on the "internets" while he was checking on his lumber stock!
Say Good Night George!
Did anyone notice Bush's 30 sec rebuttal in the three mistakes question?
"Saddam Hussein was a risk to our country, ma'am. And he was a risk that -- and this is where we just have a difference of opinion.
The truth of the matter is, if you listen carefully, Saddam would still be in power, if he were the president of the United States, and the world would be a lot better off."
Yes, Mr. Bush, the world would be a lot better off if John Kerry was President.
Ron Reagan and Pat B on MSNBC. They asked a young female Kerry supporter what she thought Kerry's best point was. The lady mentioned the Supream Court nominations and completely nailed it. Good job. Cute brainy chicks are so hot.
Pat found a Bush supporter. Ron asked if she supported the war with Iraq: yes. Would she go herself: no.
Bobby
As anonymous in nc mentioned earlier, I too believe that the pundits will give this one to Bush. They want a horse race.
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PO-FUCKING-LAND GODDAMIT MUTHAFUKKAS!!
anyone else notice the way Bush was standing on the sides of his feet towards the end as if to deliberately make himself look bowlegged? That was just silly.
If all the wood is Kerried from a forest,
all that is left is Bush.
That the presnit clears
for turkee
Apeshit. Yes, that's word for that.
I thought it was weird when Chimpy made the comment that "Senator Kennedy is the most librul senator". I think he was trying to say Kerry, but he couldn't even get that right.
By the way, did anyone else feel physically ill when Bush asked if anyone wanted some wood?
Eew.
A rabid dog - that was my impression. Thought he might bite Charlie Gibson any second. GRRRRRR.
Very presidential.
DAILYKOS INSTA-POLLS, but still the spinners spin it for Bush. WHY?!
Colorado (511 adults who watched entire debate)
42% Bush
41% Kerry
16% No Clear Winner
California (510 adults who watched entire debate)
38% Bush
48% Kerry
13% No Clear Winner
Oregon (532 adults who watched entire debate)
38% Bush
47% Kerry
15% No Clear Winner
Washington (498 adults who watched debate in full)
36% Bush
49% Kerry
14% No Clear Winner
New Bush slogan:
In your heart, you know he's FUCKING BAT-SHIT CRAZY!
..
The big moment is the freak out on Charles Gibson. Do we really, really, truly want a man with so little self control controlling our nuclear arsenal?
Rove saw this and knows it's a problem. He spun so fast when Alan Colmes asked about Bush "losing his temper" that he became invisible.
We must emphasize, emphasize, emphasize this major character flaw confirmed tonight for all the country to see.
Since I'm not savvy with handling pictures on the computer, is anyone interested in testing the anti-smirk dental device theory by comparing pictures of Bush at the debate with prior pics of him? His jawline definitely looked different, and his cheeks looked more puffed out, and he couldn't properly close his mouth (with teeth meeting).
Jeebus, I'm pundit-surfing the networks and Fox News is STILL running with the "Your Children Are Going to DIE" computer disk story...
Didn't they get the memo?
Re: Dubya running over Gibson -- an apt metaphor for his style of diplomacy: "I'm always right, so shut the fuck up and listen."
Um... Kate... I saw him smirk several times...
Are you guys kidding me? When Bush said, "Unmanned vee-hickles" I knew he had won!
Go, Jethro W. Bush!
And those new-fangled internets they got now! Has Kerry even heard of them? Or these, um, napkin rings! What a world!
And I'm a booby's left nut.
wÒÓ†
You sure you still got a left nut? I hear those Republican garage doors are brutal...
*runs away*
can someone PLEASE make a torrent of this? the oliverwillis site is slow as all hell. if no one does it, ill post back in 15 minutes with one.
Also he was less angry towards the end.
Yeah, that's when the creepy fundamentalism started to seep out.
Tomato Observer
Ha! "Ole Yeller!" Good one.
Daniel -
You're right that he managed a coupla smirks, but I think that's only because his mouth was in manic turbo mode, enabling him to overcome or work past the obstruction in his mouth.
The repetitive jaw movements are also just what you would expect if you had an unaccustomed "appliance" or other dental device in your mouth.
They are much more indicative of a few good lines of blow. I wonder if he's being supplied with pharmaceutical coke, or if he has Nicole Bush score for him down on the corner.
I hope the media plays the GWB-Gibson episode over and over again.
There's already a video and just seeing it for a second or a third time...it is way worse than anything he did at the 1st debate. Plus, you could tell it was a release for him; he was holding in his tantrum but it overflowed and landed on Charlie.
The formats are bothering me, though. The VP debate was like 90 minutes of MtP, and this one was like a 90-minute Oprah. Is the next format a recreation of the Regis & Kelly show?
Also he was less angry towards the end.
THats when the dope started wearing off.Must have been some really good shit.I wish we all could get a shot of super dope on demand from our handelers right at the right moment of our lives.
That answer made me wanna scowl.
Kate-
As someone who has worn various dental appliances once upon a time (I was a geeky teenager. Big shockeroo, right?), I think I can say with some authority that if you aren't supposed to move your jaw in a certain way that the appliance is meant to stop, you won't be able to.
Don't forget, folks, email email email...all the news organizations which will be discussing this all weekend. The online polls are just a start, and I think they are ignoring them more now.
Then call your local talk radio shows, or CSPAN, whatever it takes.
The Ausies are voting to-day. The polls are favoring the incumbent Neocon Bush buddy Howard. It will be interesting to see what happens.
re msnbc commentariat, keep in mind that general electric just got a big fat wet kiss from congress in the form of a rewrite of corp tax law this week:
"It also cuts taxes for companies operating internationally such as General Electric Co. and Citigroup Inc. by $42.6 billion over the next decade.
JFK All The Way!!!
Even if he was raised by homosexual french billionaire socialists.
Me wants internets.
On intrade.com, Bush futures lost 2.5 to 57.5 and Kerry futures gained 4.5 to 44.5
[i]The Ausies are voting to-day. The polls are favoring the incumbent Neocon Bush buddy Howard. It will be interesting to see what happens.[/i]
Not as interesting as the new civil war that'll most likely erupt in Afghanistan after their election.
Damn it... this is blogspot, not vbulletin. Stupid tags.
just had ephinany
msnbc: bush won
foxnews: kerry won
HELLO!
THEY ARE TRYING TO INCREASE VIEWERSHIP!
The guy is unhinged.
The SCLM has to see this for what it is. Bush looked nuts.
wÒÓ†, are you a cyclops or a left nut?
make up your mind. 
(you don't want to confuse baby woot)
Also, one suggestion for Kerry's debating points:
When Bush mentions the votes Kerry's missed while campaigning, Kerry should
TALK ABOUT ALL THE VACATION TIME BUSH HAS TAKEN AS PRESIDENT!!!
Bush has taken over a fifth of his time as president on vacation. Even ignoring Bush's regular imcompetance, no one can doubt that his laziness as president has contributed to the poor state of our national security and economy today.
The end is coming faster than we imagined. That was an astonishing moment. The press will have to catch up with the blogs on this.
What really struck me was w rattling off the names of the leaders of the coalition, and then acting proud, as if he should get credit for remembering the names and pronouncing them correctly.
Whoops, leaders = members.
When can we start calling undecided voters just what they really are? Uninformed and lazy.
When are these people going to make up their firggin minds?
Do we need to sit down and read to them?
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He keeps moving his jaw from side to side, and his lips barely meet when his mouth is closed.
Oh, Jawbone, when did you first go wrong?
Oh, Jawbone, where is it you belong?
Three time loser, you'll never learn,
Lay down your tools before you burn.
Ya keep on runnin' and hidin' your face,
spreadin' your heat all over the place.
I bet international translators could tell us a lot about Bush's performance tonight.
Anyone know any?
Snip from Salon article tonight: "Kerry's intelligence failure"
The American people should be clearly told and retold that it was the Bush administration itself, and its lap dog CIA head George Tenet, who were responsible for the bogus intelligence that it used to sell the case for war.
So why isn't Kerry pointing this out? Why didn’t he respond Friday night by telling Bush, “Yes, I saw the same intelligence as you, Mr. President – after your administration cooked it.”
He's come close to doing it on the campaign trail, saying that Bush "misled" the American people on Iraq. But he failed to do it in either debate -- and Friday was his last chance to do it before a huge audience.
It was a big mistake.
Kerry may fear that the answer is too complicated and might confuse people. But I suspect there's a political reason: he fears that accusing the president and his administration of lying, even if the accusation was only implicit, about something as crucial as the reasons we went to war would go beyond the bounds of acceptable political discourse. In other words, he doesn't want to be Howard Dean.
That cautious calculation may have some pragmatic truth. And certainly a debate in which that explosive point was raised would have a completely different, and brutal, dynamic, which Kerry may have feared would be too unpredictable. But Kerry would have been better off to call a spade a spade.
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Daniel -
I had to wear a couple of them, too, although not in the back of the mouth, and I think the type of device would make a big difference. What I have in mind is something that merely prevents his back teeth from meeting when he closes his mouth -- I think separating his back teeth would make a smirk more difficult, but not impossible. In other words, his face would not be able to fall into the most "comfortable" or "natural" position for him (i.e., the smirk), but when really worked up he would be able to manage it (a facial expression that would be hugely grotesque without the device, an exaggeration of the normal response).
And the best way to figure out if this idea is nonsense or not is just to look at his face carefully (esp. on C-Span's split screen) while re-watching the debate. That's how we noticed it. Whatever he was doing, his jawline was certainly different tonight. Of course, we could be completely offbase about what the phenomenon is, but it's clearly something noticeably different.
I emailed Aaron Brown. He interrupted Joe Klein's analysis, to call Bush a gunslinger. Heard him say it at least twice. As a Stephen King fan, that remark offended me.
This is just more evidence that Our Glorious Leader needs to fire Dr. Nick.
Dismissed!!!
Apparently, this person watched a different debate than I did tonight.
TimBERRRRRRRRR!
Where's the Dean Scream press now...Bush flipped...let's see it over and over again
No pundit spinner has mentioned that Bush claimed Al Qaida has no place to hide on the very day Al Qaida attacked in Egypt! How is Bush winning the War on Terra??? How has he routed Al Q?
I think this needs to be a talking point over the weekkend.
bush: i appreciate your question (and will have the IRS audit you should i have the privilege of stealing this election... damn, osama's dead. ashcroft's no good without osama. damn.)
Aaron Brown just shook his head and said "I don't know why we talk to these post-debate spinmeisters, anyway."
Simple answer? THEN DON'T FREAKIN DO IT!
Brown for CNN President. I'd give the left one to never have to see Karen Huge trying to make a statesman out of that stupid, arrogant ne'er-do-well again.
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Wow...Bush is going to make automobiles from hydrogen, he's going to make coal clean, he's going to make more land and more clean water? He's a good steward of the land?
Either there's something to this whole messiah thing that Mr. Coulter keeps talking about or the man's so completely delusional that I'd recommend thorazine and a straightjacket immediately.
I loved that part.
Again with the Poland crap!
Do you think Bush and his campaign team figured Kerry wouldn't have the guts to challenge him on these facts?
I wonder if they figured Kerry would pull the wimpy liberal act of trying to be 'respectful' of the office of the president by not contradicting him on his coalition numbers?
The bullshit gloves are finally off.
MYOB'
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that was pretty early on, too. i was expecting him to completely melt down by the end. maybe next week.
Did Kerry ever have the opportunity to see the 12,000 page Iraqi arms declaration that Bush put on ice?
Common symptoms of psychomotor stimulant use/abuse: irritability, aggressiveness, grinding/clenching teeth, increased verbalizing, inappropriate/poorly controlled social behavior, grandiosity.
Psychomotor stimulants: cocaine, amphetamine, methamphetamine, methylphenidate (Ritalin), and others.
Atrios, this question is worth pushing.
There's a SLIGHT chance he did it on purpose. If you listen to what Charlie Gibson wanted to follow up with, he wanted to follow up with a question about stop-loss.
By frothing, W might have saved himself from having to answer that unpleasant question.
He might not be as stupid as I think he is. I think he purposefullly went off so he didn't have to address the military families.
Been watching the re-run on C-Span with the sound off. When Kerry's talking, Bush is blinking like his eyes are the warning light on a bomb about to blow. And he looks REALLY nervous, like he knows that Kerry's telling his mom who really crashed th car. Kerry, while Bush is talking, has this slightly amused, patient look on his face, and you know he's thinking "Georgy, you sad litle man..."
The formats are bothering me, though. The VP debate was like 90 minutes of MtP, and this one was like a 90-minute Oprah. Is the next format a recreation of the Regis & Kelly show?
joshowitz
No: "Jerry Springer," I think.
First guy gets to hit his opponent with a chair, then the other guy rebuts with a stool.
Maybe a game show?!: "You are the Weakest Link... good-bye!!"
They're spinning this horribly on MSNBC.
Imagine if Kerry had done it.... they would be replaying that video over and over like the Dean scream, claiming that Kerry became unhinged, perhaps had psychological issues, etc.
Instead, there is just silence.
Common symptoms of psychomotor stimulant use/abuse: irritability, aggressiveness, grinding/clenching teeth, increased verbalizing, inappropriate/poorly controlled social behavior, grandiosity.
Psychomotor stimulants: cocaine, amphetamine, methamphetamine, methylphenidate (Ritalin), and others.
Atrios, this question is worth pushing.
Honestly, does anyone still believe the man really choked on a pretzel or fell off the untippable Segway because he wasn't paying attention? The man is so dopey he could be one of the seven dwarves.
Two words:
DEAN SCREAM.
This has the potential to become a similar media phenomenon. It's just got to be really pounded. Keep getting it out... make this Bush's "Dean Scream."
Or could it be that Gibson didn't use the list of questions and questioners that Rove slipped into his jacket pocket before the debate?
This was a great night even with Pat Buchanan. I just realized why it was so pleasant, Joe Scarborough was not there. Maybe he slipped in the shower and needed hip replacement surgery. Thankyou God!
You're looking at me like my clock is up! WooWooWoo! Tin foil hat! Three more weeks!
It's been said but I'll say it again...the putznits on cable in particular are nearly to a man cowards, creeps and scumbags. When I say "to a man" that includes Andrea Mitchell. What the hell is going on at a journalistic latrine like Mathews Hardball when you have the wife of one of the most powerful Republicans in the country playing the part of a journalist, Pat Buchanan, who despite his common sense on the war is angling for another Scalia on the Supreme Court and spinning hard for Bush, that miserable little shit Ginsberg, the Swift Boater's attorney matched up against genial Ron Jr., who is a decent guy but a lightweight in the face of that much right-wing overt and covert spin. Mathews himself is just dreadful. And that's the LIBERAL show ? What the fuck is this shit ?
Also, one of the creepiest things Bush said, if you really stop and think about all of the implications, was "I wasn't happy when we found there weren't weapons". That means he would have rather been able to rationalize his stupid war than for the world to actually have been safer from Saddam and all of the dire scenarios Bush had drawn for all of those years. It also means he would have rather that our soldiers had faced an enemy armed with poison gas and chemicals and that he would rather that there be nuclear materials hidden in Iraq that al Qaeda or whomever might have gotten their hands on. He would also rather that sanctions and inspections turn out to be less effective than they in fact turned out to be. Bush would put his personal credibility and re-election bid over the safety of millions of people, including our troops. Does that qualify him as a traitor or just a fool ?
Gordon, you can post your blog entry a million times and it still won't make it true. Your boy was toasted.
By the way, did anyone else feel physically ill when Bush asked if anyone wanted some wood?
he's just looking for people other than war widows that he "can love them as best he can".
Monkey good...
Daniel -
That Gordon person is a well-known troll in these parts. Why he wants to hang out here when everyone laughs at him is a mystery, but then life is full of all sorts of little mysteries, eh?
Also: I suppose you know what your last name means in German...that'll come in handy here when dealing with the presence of trolls.
Kate-
My last name has brought me no end of trouble from German-speakers who were around when I lost my temper.
[on the question of how we can get the rest of the world to not want to saw our heads off]..I thought Kerry missed a perfect opportunity to say 'after 911 the whole world would have done anything we asked. But when butt brains here insisted on Iraq the rest of the world gave us the finger.
one thing i've learned, 56k and debate nite are not compatible.
yes, bush totally lost it. if our media had any sense this is what they would be honing in on. bush is out of control. of course i've known that since the axis of evil speech.
Bush/Cheney-Evil in 04
heh, today i was cleaning my room. remember that online make your own Bush/Cheney poster. mine said 'Cause We Know Where the WMD Are. ding dong.
Transcript up at CBS.
How come no one's mentioned "the great nexus"?
Is there another link to this video of Bush? This one comes up on Windows Media in minature. I want to get the full effect of Georgie's arrogant side.
"the repetetive jaw movements are what you would expect if you had an unaccustomed appliance in your mouth."-kate
or if you were wigged out on speed.
How come no one's mentioned "the great nexus"?
Well I, for one, had no idea what the hell it meant.
shrink -
Now I'll have to go back and watch yet again the jawline situation and think about whether it's a stimulant side effect.
Still, the fact that he seems to be barely able to close his lips suggests something else. Hmmm. Gotta think about it.
Billmon (back from the dead):
Anger Management:
If Kerry and the Dems can't make an issue out of the fact that the president of the United States is utterly incapable of controlling his hairtrigger temper, they don't deserve to win this election.
I mean, the man is a walking time bomb.
Posted by billmon at October 8, 2004 11:28 PM
I am now the Ephedrine President!
The FAUX News panel came out for Kerry.
Murdoch has made the call.
If there's any doubt that Bush is toast, let it be stilled. We still need to work our arses off, but when Murdoch makes the call -- like he did when the UK papers went from the Tories to Blair -- it's a sign that the tipping point has been reached.
wÒÓ†, are you a cyclops or a left nut?
I've always been kind of a left nut... but that doesn't distinguish me from anyone else here.
I love the smell of moronic brownshirt fucks crapping in their pants.
It smells like - victory!
Holy hell, Billmon 
I wonder what Dubya did to piss Rupert off? Probably promised to give him the Sunni Triangle as a personal plaything and then reneged on the deal.
Daniel -
You could perhaps suggest to them that your name is a reminder that they themselves should practice that virtue...
While muttering "verdammt noch mal" under your breath.
BTW, the best part of that whole exchange wasn't Tipsy freaking out - it was when Kerry looked straight at him and said "I would make a better Commander-in-Chief."
Choke on it, brownshirts.
It's hard work driving a hydrogen generatated vehicle to the nexus of the internets.
brucds--well played old chap
also,ginsberg is indeed a 'little shit'
On the 'mistake' question -- I couldn't help but notice that Dubya talked about 'tactical' mistakes regarding the war in iraq -- he doesn't even know that tactics are not his job -- that's the job of the military (am i right? tell me I'm, right on this one, someone-- )
Bush too--
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...
" lips suggests something else. Hmmm. Gotta think about it."
Extreme thirst
Rove to drill it into Bush's head to not smirk, staked him out on an ant hill covered in honey. The ants didn't but Coulter did.
This so called librul media piled on Al Gore for a mere -- but Bush actually losing it and lungeing at at the debate moderator is ... um ... er ...
Well, he's fucking crazy. (And not in a Howard Dean "I'm actually correct in saying Saddam's capture didn't make us safer" kind of way)
holy awesome showing, batman!
Kerry kicked ass.
Librarian has just bid goodnight to her debate viewing guests--one 40-ish Psych Prof, and one late 30's actor...and, woah...even if i tried EXTRA hard to have sympathy for Bush--Bush blew it.
medium-to-big time...
i dunno, but how any semi-rational person could have watched that encounter, and not felt that Kerry was the better candidate...
THIS is the Kerry i watched, working those little town-hall gigs in Iowa, right before they voted in January. spot-on, at least 80% of the time, and Bush? woosh--where the heck WAS he? it was like he wasn't actually physically in the same debate...
now, that's just Librarian's take (and my two guests.)
but wow.
no frickin' contest.
-L.
I got my ass "whupped" tonight.
Incomplete paste of:
This so called librul media piled on Al Gore for a mere sigh --
Gregory,
I am watching C-Span, too. I agree with you about Bush's behavior, its like he's on speed or something like it. Last week he was lethargic. Tonight he's "up". He keeps blinking and winking and making weird faces again. Scary.
Kerry is cool and calm. How can anybody be "undecided"?
Peanut has it absolutely right. Don't compare it with the Dean Scream, compare it with the Gore Sigh... then show how the sigh that 'lost' Gore the debate was so much less than Dubya proving he really is an ape.
msnbc tried to spin that it was a good thing.
I distinctly heard someone there say that MEN would LIKE what he did with Gibson. I guess rude = alpha male? GAAARRRGH.
Here's something nice, though:
CNN Poll
Excerpt:
A CNN/USA Today/Gallup snap poll taken immediately after the presidential debate Friday night found that respondents gave a slight, statistically insignificant edge to Sen. John Kerry over President Bush, 47 percent to 45 percent.
The respondents included 515 registered voters who watched the debate. Their political affiliations broke down as 38 percent Republican, 32 percent Democratic and 30 percent independent. [snip]
The respondents were polled before the event and 50 percent said they planned to vote for Bush while 46 percent favored Kerry.
So a weighted-Republican group goes two points in favor of Kerry.
(BTW, I think Ol' Yeller is gonna stick.)
The "Bush Scream"...
"Tell Tony Blair!..."
("We're going to California, and Texas...")
"Tell Berlusconi!..."
("and Oregon, and Washington...")
"Tell Poland!..."
("and Wisconsin, and New York...")
Yeeeeeaaaaaahhhhhh!
("Yeeeeeaaaaaahhhhhh!")
I don't think we have to worry what the media spin. If they give Bush any rope it's because they want the horse race.
They want to set up a big third debate and they know Bush is insane. This is good TV to them.
Bush is done.
"No pundit spinner has mentioned that Bush claimed Al Qaida has no place to hide on the very day Al Qaida attacked in Egypt! How is Bush winning the War on Terra??? How has he routed Al Q?"
In the last 48 hours:
Add to this the explosions in Paris (Indonesian Embassy) and Istanbul (Greek Orthodox patriarchate), the rockets that struck a hotel housing journalists and foreigners in Baghdag and the two dozen rockets that were fired in Kabul in a 24-hour period just before the election.
Bush has no plan to win this and yet he comes out tonight and pledges that he'll spend what it takes to win. Wth?
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and HEY--nice to see Sir Woot of the Boobies is in the house tonight!
-L.
Yes, dave, that was a choice moment. We were cheering that Kerry said it while looking the Pretender straight in the eye.
Whenever Kerry recited his criticisms of Bush while looking straight him, it made the Boy King squirm, and look like he wanted to lunge.
wÒÓ† Wood!
Wood!
Wood!
Wood!
Nice line from the NYT:
And the president was utterly incoherent when asked about whom he might name to the Supreme Court in a second term. His comment about how he didn't want to offend any judges because he wanted "them all voting for me" was a joke - but an unfortunate one, given the fact that the president owes his job to a Supreme Court vote.
They might need to provide a protective barrier for the moderator next time, or a choke chain for Boy George. Or maybe, one of those animal control people could have a tranc dart waiting for George if he wigs out again.
Kerry: "This is where the president and I disagree -- "
Bush: "GRRR!! Growl!! Snarl!! Yipe!!" (bites questioner)
This is just more evidence that Our Glorious Leader needs to fire Dr. Nick.
Gen JC Christian, patriot
so does that mean that rove is the colonel now that we are dusting off the dysfunctional elvis comparisons? really nice take, patriotdude, i was wondering how this performance was playing out in graceland this evening .. for real ... you win the first strike!!
ROFL ... Dr Nick medical bags and shit
Buy Presidential Wood on eBay
(Shamelessly lifted from Kos)
He might not be as stupid as I think he is. I think he purposefullly went off so he didn't have to address the military families.
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he's not. took me to awhile to realize it. bush is at least as smart as me. which ain't all that dumb but way below the requirements to be president and leader of the free world.
it cleared things up for me tho, 'cause sociopaths generally are fairly intelligent. until my epiphany, i had not considered him intelligent enough to be a sociopath, now i know better. combo of rove and bush is deadly. i swear i know if he get's in by duping the stupids, we are in real trouble. in fact i think we already are, obviously.
In a funny way, I feel sad for the preznit. Except for drunken, coked up frat boy, Bush has pretty much failed at everything he has ever tried.
Sad.
It seemed like the audience laughed at all of Bush's lame jokes, which was disturbing. Were they just trying to be polite or what? I thought it was sickening.
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Paul Begala's take on the debate:
"Good debate. The press will say it's a draw, but I think Kerry bested Bush -- or rather Bush made a few errors. Two words for President Bush: anger management. He spent much of the debate nearly yelling at the audience.
About two-thirds of the way through he calmed down, used a little humor. But overall he hectored more than visited with people. Kerry was much more conversational, certainly not the pedantic, pompous senator some expected."
Paul Begala's Debate Blog
one thing i've learned, 56k and debate nite are not compatible.
Well, that all depends on which one of the internets you're surfing!
56k = hydrogenated vee-hickle with training wheels?
I'm starting to like Fox. They tell it like it is. Bush lost. MSNBC, on the other hand, is pandering. It really hurt Tweety when the RNC started boycotting him briefly when grew some stones and said Bushie was distorting what Kerry said about the war. Tweety is nuts. Brit Hume, though, sees the writing on the wall. After the third debate, if Bush blows that one too, I bet even fucking O'Reilly will announce that he is no longer undecided, he's for Kerry. He'll be trashing Kerry on Jan. 4, but he'll be able to say -- hey, I voted for the guy. It's all bidness. Bush is damaged goods, and these people smell the stink of shit on him. The load is in his pants.
Woot, that is hysterical! Love the questions. 
The jaw movements are a typical side-effect of several kinds of psychiatric medications, ranging from anti-depressants to (especially) anti-psychotics. I'm not a doctor, but I know this from experience with several friends. I'm surprised noone has mentioned the hyperrapid blinking Bush did when Kerry was talking.
I don't know if that could have been another drug side effect---maybe some MD can comment.
Given that Bush has avoided his physical this year (see talkingpointsmemo.com, thursday posts for a link), the press and public need to start asking some urgent questions.
I think the most likely reason he is avoiding the physical is that the report would reveal what medications he is on. If they can wean them off of the meds after the election, he could take a physical later.
This is a very dangerous situation if I'm correct.
As a matter of non-partisan public interest, the White House needs to be pressured to present a report on Bush's medical conditions, including esepecially a list of medications he is taking, certified by his personal physician.
Nobody has said anything about it yet, but when asked about his Supreme Court Justice, Bush said he wouldn't "appoint anyone who didn't believe in the laws of this nation" -- so he won't nominate anti-abortion activist judges?
That should be explained, via an ad, and run in the wingnut state starting tomorrow. Lets see if we can't unwhip the frenzy of the base a little...
See this new web site:
www.securitymomsforkerry.com
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Jenny-it was kind of like when someone's 5-year-old son or daughter comes out and does a dance routine or tells a joke because they've learned they can have everyone's attention. Then everyone gets on with their life as adults.
bruce, i noticed speedy's remark about not being happy that they didn't find wmds. it was right before he finished too, and kerry should have started right off by saying that he was happy that there weren't any. lost opportunity.
Kerry should have won the entire election on the answer to the abortion question alone. If any woman votes for Bush after Kerry's answer and Bush's response she needs to be rescued as soon as possible.
woot, that's excellent. "somebody give me a board so i can smack charlie, stupid fuck, how dare he question my autority"
AP -- After the second presidential debate, President Bush was asked about his strategy for the upcoming debate in Arizona on domestic policy.
Bush said, "John Kerry, I'm coming for you man. My style is impetuous. My defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious. I want your heart. I want to eat his children."
President Bush was then escorted to his white padded presidential limo by his select medical staff.
Haaaaa! From the link to eBay, selling presidential wood, is this great photo of Bush (fast work)
underwhelm -
ahh. i see. i guess i was just hoping for dead, embarrassing silence, which is what he deserves.
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I think Bush was concentrating so hard on preventing the dreaded smirk that he started blinking ~8.5 times a second. Either that or he was in a deep REM state. Oh yeah, that's his modus operandi
Speaking of facial expressions, what's up with Greta Van Susteren's upper lip? It doesn't move a millimeter. She's like one of those animated Jib Jab Media head cut-outs.
of course i've known that since the axis of evil speech.
OMG, almost forgot that he repeated that tonight. Has there been any phrase more disasterous to American foreign policy, or more derided? And he repeats it. Another stellar performance by W.
okay--so, other people, at least HERE, did notice that Bush refered to Kerry as SENATOR KENNEDY--has any Bobble Head mentioned that yet?
AND, he attacked Gibson--yeesh! yeah, THERE'S a guy you really want to be handly international "diplomacy" !
Bush tried at least THREE times, to make dumb jokes for the audience, and got total silence...
and my choice soundbite would have to be Kerry talking about WHO would pay a higher tax under his plans: there are 3 people here tonight, me, President Bush, and, i'm sorry, but you, Mr. Gibson.
PRICELESS.
Librarian is WAY pleased.
-L.
you are correct, kim or cym. the president does not make tactical decisions. if he does he should stop.
Actually, I think the audience wasn't laughing at any of Bush's heavily-scripted leaden jokes.
It was more of that sympathy laugh you give to the annoying drunk telling you jokes. One of those mercy laughs you give someone because they're floundering in their own flop sweat.
Thank God for George Bush! I'm glad to know he was against the appointment of Chief Justice Taney! Damn cracker....
The Kennedy moment was a freudian non-mistake mistake.
CybSCryb, I agree. That Bush can't empathize with a teenager who has been raped by her father and now has to ask his permission for an abortion makes him a monster in my eyes. If I hadn't thought so already, naturally.
FRIENDS OF BUSH RECEIVED SADDAM'S OIL FOR FOOD KICKBACKS.
New web site:
www.securitymomsforkerry.com
Send us your story and we'll put it on the site!
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Echnide you stupid cunt, he never said that.
Wish all of you could have been with all 12,000 of us in downtown St. Louis at the America's Center tonight. We watched the debate together and then waited for the candidate. He was great and really had fire in his eyes. I believe that he is ready to go for the home stretch. JK was obviously exhausted but the crowd and it's enthusiasm fired him up.
One item of note, the crowd actually laughed out loud in unison as some of Bush whoppers, espacially his response to the environmental question.
I'm fired up and ready to go. I really did feel that the Atrios bunch was there tonight in spirit.
didn't you like it when bush said "that's not what the constitution says, the constitution says......" we won't get fooled again! man that was funny, dipshit hasn't ever read the damn thing.
The only thing that irked me about Kerry was that he didn't invoke Bush 1 and powell in talking about the need for strong coalitions. Bush would have busted a nut right there on the stage.
It doesnt matter that Bush told lies. All the pundits want are zingers to replay in 2008. Tweety and others who normally dont seem to have a conservative bent get too focused on style and memorable lines and forget they are supposed to get to the bottom of what each candidate says. The winner of any debate should be who was the most honest and compelling, not just the most compelling. BTW, I missed the part of the debate where Bush basically told Gibson to fuck off; if God is a liberal that will be the tape playing tomorrow.
go give Kerry an A. Novak cals the debate for Bush, oddly.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004...ts/
results.html
NyPress on Novak, in the Wimblehack article:
Nonetheless, Novak advances. He advances because of that dreary purse-lipped sadist's face of his. (You've seen that face before: the prison warden meets high school vice-principal of your nightmares, shitting on your wife's back.) He advances because his outing of Valerie Plame is suddenly being upheld as a free-press issue. He advances because he recently told an audience of Penn State students that he is only able to stand James Carville because "CNN pays me a lot of money."
But here's the worst thing about Novak. Six years ago, Novak's column was the favored destination of anonymous leakers from the office of special prosecutor Ken Starr. They gave him such nuggets as the revelation that it was their "educated guess" that Hillary Clinton would be named as an unindicted coconspirator in the Hubbell case ("Clinton's Woes Far from Over," Nov. 26, 199
. At the time, Novak had no problem being the submissive love-slave of an overzealous independent prosecutor seeking, in a clearly inappropriate manner, to try his case in public.
Now Novak is going to sit back and let people like William Safire blast special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald for going too far in hammering Novak for his sources in the Plame case. Live by the leak—die by the leak, you fucking dog.
awesome
NOW! BUY SOME WOOD ON THE INTERNETS! CHEAP!
Great eBay Item from debate!!
Giorgi Dobje Boooosh would never forget Poland.
But is Berlesconi's (sp?) first name Silvio, not Serbio? Unless I got beans in my ears...
Dred Scott?
Gordon, I say this with all due respect:
Fuck the FUCK off.
Bush's freak on Gibson shall be know as "The Lunge." Also, re the "Internets" - I bet Bush didn't know that Gore had invented all of them!
geniuses! get your wood over to the fox poll ... freeperization underway
http://www.foxnews.com/
Silleigh,
Did you just frak out? How super freaky.
Seems all you Moonbats are a bit testy and up in arms this evening. I guess I would be too if I knew I just lost the campaign.
New definition of chutzpah:
Listing as your only mistake the political appointment of people who have pointed out your other mistakes.
Keep hittin' that F5 key, Gordo - maybe it will magically alter reality like it does in your fantasy gaming on the internets.
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Well, after that outburst, we know why Tony Blair needed heart surgery last week.
Gee, Gordon, since you're copying and pasting the same comments into every thread here--sometimes multiple times on the same one--I'll post my response. Maybe you'll even read it. I doubt you'll have an answer.
Gordon, apparently you share a trait with Bush: when Kerry gave an excellent answer about the difference between private religious beliefs and public duties, Bush admitted he couldn't understand what he was talking about.
I'm sure that if you processed the actual content of the debate, rather than style points (or RNC spin points), you'd see that Kerry actually answered questions substantively, including the "how will you pay for this" query from Gibson (close corporate loopholes, etc.).
Bush had nothing to say. He's a man so insecure, so over his head, that he couldn't admit to one tiny mistake. "Let history judge," he said. Some accountability. After we're all dead and gone, it'll be OK for history to make its judgements. In the meantime, let's just be consistent!
Please, please, Gordon, if you're not getting paid for being an RNC shill, ask for some money. At least you'll salvage a few bucks, if not your self-respect, from what any thinking being could see was a complete disaster for Bush. Did you miss the bizarre Dred Scott statement? His frightening answer about the PATRIOT Act? His complete lack of any plan whatsoever for dealing with Iran?
Go look at the post-election online polls. Hell, even the Fox poll has Kerry ahead, 51 to 49. Everyone else responding has said that Kerry crushed Gore. I know, lots of Democrats and Republicans are rushing to get their votes in, but Kerry is STILL crushing Bush.
By the way, the day Bush takes the high road on anything is when he tells Coulter to stop writing books that call anyone who doesn't agree with the Republicans (or, to be more precise, a very extreme faction in the Republican Party) a T-R-A-I-T-O-R. I'm sick of seeing that every time I go to a bookstore, or even Costco, and if Bush wants to do more than pretend he doesn't approve of this garbage, he'd actually get off his can to denounce it. High road? Not in this debate, and not in his entire time in the White House.
Shorter George Bush:
"I would be winning the war in Iraq and everyone would have jobs and the world would like me if it weren't for that nasty ol' John Kerry! It's all his fault!"
I'm sending one more email to MSNB-assholes and then I GOTTA go to bed. I haven't had much sleep this week...
I'm going to send MSNBC that clip (or link therein). EVERYONE should send it! Right now! Bombard them! Download it from oliverwillis.com and put it directly into the email so their servers are overloaded completely with the weight of that clip. Label it "the difference between John Kerry and George W Bush."
Goodnight folks, thanks for your hard work. We'll win this if we keep working at it - after all, we won with Tweety and MSNB-hack the day after the veep debate too.
I guess I would be too if I knew I just lost the campaign.
Gordon the Magnificent
Wow. That makes this the 477th time that Kerry has lost the campaign in the last three months! Not bad!
Ever hear the one about the boy who cried "wolf"? You should check it out...pretty interesting stuff, and most versions have lots of pictures.
Shorter Gordon:
"Who are you going to believe, George Bush, or your own brain?"
Who the hell is Serbio Berlusconi?
the trolls are full of false bravado--as-fuckin-if the campaign ended for EITHER candidate (grow up, gordonthemediocre) --which probably means Bush did worse than we realize.
here's an easy form to send letters to your local papers:
http://www.democrats.org/media/
he's on speed or something like it - Bush knows the value of a well timed pharmaceutical.
Who the hell is Serbio Berlusconi?
Kate et al--my Psych Prof neighbor also commented on the strange chewing, jaw grinding motion of Bush...but he was, as a professioanl, unwilling to say exactly which drug might be causing that...
irreverant me, i suggested Lithium.
-L.
The funny thing..and this no joke..Blair might be out of a job BEFORE election day. This latest beheading isnt helping his poll numbers...Bush is such a dunce...Its like anything he says is the kiss of death.."You forgot poland" 2 days later they split...
Well, Gordon, Bush doesn't have to say it. This is what happened:
Kerry:Secondly, with respect to parental notification, I'm not going to require a 16- or 17-year-old kid who's been raped by her father and who's pregnant to have to notify her father. So you've got to have a judicial intervention. And because they didn't have a judicial intervention where she could go somewhere and get help I voted against it. It's never quite as simple as the president wants you to believe.
Mr. Gibson And 30 seconds, Mr. President.
Mr. Bush It's pretty simple when they say are you for a ban on partial birth abortion? Yes or no. And he was given a chance to vote. And he voted no. And that's just the way it is. That's the vote. It came right up. It's clear for everybody to see. And as I said, you can run but you can't hide. It's reality.
"Kerry should have won the entire election on the answer to the abortion question alone. If any woman votes for Bush after Kerry's answer and Bush's response she needs to be rescued as soon as possible."
worse yet for bush, he said he was against abortion, that was a really pointed question from this conservative woman, I almost think she was planted by the republicans, but I think Kerry did OK.
Who the hell is Serbio Berlusconi?
Seems all you Moonbats are a bit testy and up in arms this evening. I guess I would be too if I knew I just lost the campaign.
Dream on, asswipe. We're feeling fine, as you can clearly see from our posts. However, you don't come HERE and call Echidne a cunt. You're showing your execrable manners in public -- just like your petulant, out-of-control hero. You have zero class and less than zero significance. So again, I extend an invitation to you to FUCK OFF.
BUSH SKIPPED HIS PHYSICAL THIS YEAR!!!!!!!!!!
He is probably on psychiatric medication, and the White HOuse is keeping that secret. Those weird jaw movements are a dead give-away---very typical of anti-pyschotic meds.
I'm not an MD, but I would like an MD's opinion on this. I don't believe Lithium has that effect; I think anti-depressants might, by making his mouth dry.
The jaw chomping bit was scary.He looked like a psycho who just murdered someone and stole his suit.
Shrub going after Gibson was like mini-me in the 2nd Austin Powers, when he lunges for the chocolate, and Dr. Evil reels him in like a mackeral...
Echnide you stupid cunt, he never said that.
Gordon the Magnificent
People like you should be baled together and used as protective armor for hummers in Iraq. Your fat carcass might stop a few bullets that'd otherwise kill or injure someone whose life is actually worth something.
Bush said: "I would pick somebody who would not allow their personal opinion to get in the way of the law."
Bush SAYS he will not nominate anyone against abortion, then, since abortion is legal?
That should be hammered.
Silleigh, thanks, girlfriend !
But it's sort of an honor to be called a cunt by someone like Gordon. Then I know I'm on the right track.
World Citizen--what i heard Bush say was:
Sergee-GULP, Bulra....ahhh--ACK!
you know, that guy in Italy...
-L.
Who the fuck is Servio Berlusconi?
I'm a pinhead....least I must be.
I for the life of me cannot figure out why the hell he was prepped with the Dread Scott decision. Whomever is responsible for that should be flogged.
Subtle point to be made, but that was one of the worst tactical flubs I've seen.
Gordon is on fire tonight! Gordo, you aren't on those same drugs that guy Bush is snorting are you?
You know it shrinks your penis. Now, honestly, that's not something you can really afford to risk is it?
(Shh, Gordon's penis is tiny, but don't let him know you know - it'd embarass him terribly, as you might imagine. Miniscule...)
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so does anyone know what happened to Stewart tonight? i thought he was going to be live at 11:00...but he wasn't...
-L.
BTW, Gordon...that protective armor comment was yours truly, Philalethes. So kindly direct your childish abuse my way, OK?
Great comments tonight! Again, I offer a link to this photo of Bush at tonight's debate
It's Log! Log!
It's big, it's heavy, it's wood!
It's Log! Log!
It's better than bad, it's good!
Who the fuck is Servio Berlusconi?
It's a country in the Balkans.
I, for one, am happy all the off-road deisels are off my property.
WTF was he talking about?
Loved the comment by the guest on Aaron Brown: I would never vote for anybody I could beat in a spelling bee.
Don't listen to TelltaleHeart, Gordon. Two inches is normal dammit. God gave us enough for a thumb and a finger and that's enough. Don't let anyone tell you different.
First, I listened (more) to tonight's debate and watched it (more) the second time around. Big difference. I think Bush was way stronger than last week, but Kerry -- after a little early over-excitement and just a little wonkiness here and there -- did significantly outperform Bush.
Bush was in top form and still he can only modulate to about two different attitudes: snippy disbelief and faux stoic heroism. And he's good at playing these back and forth for maximum effect.
But Kerry is a real leader, a real thinker, a genuine person. The only reason he's not ahead by 20 points in the polls is that the GOP is so good at manipulating the media and playing to people's fears.
Bush scored points with certain constructs -- making "unpopular decisions" because it's "right for America" etc. -- but if people were really watching and listening, this debate should build on Kerry's momentum.
PS - I'd like to see some of Bush's "strict interpretation" of the constitution applied to all the anti-gay marriage measures being floated in the country; someone I know got a piece of mail today where our Speaker of the House in Oregon said the writers of the constitution believed marriage was between one man and one woman. Please. If that was the case, we wouldn't have to amend it, would we?
I see the trolls have not neglected to visit here tonight, and are discoursing in their usual high-minded fashion...
i'm watching this again, and bush is on drugs, trust me, i know.
it's not lithium, it's probably speed. it would explain the jaw crunching and the hyper agressiveness.
then again maybe he just knows he's goin' down and he can't believe it.
sort of like gordon.
Bush kept saying tonight during the debate that Kerry looked at the same intellence that he did, and I'm wondering why the hell isn't Bush outraged about receiving such fucked-up intelligence?
He doesn't give a damn that no WMD's exist. That's crazy. Bush is insane and a liar!
You know damn well that special Cheney group of neo-cons cooked up all those lies about Iraqi weapons and Powell took it right up the ass like their bitch. It's so sad to see someone used so badly.
Powell is truly the Bush house nigga!
oh poor little Gordon--come to mama, and maybe we can finally make a man out of you...
(i know, troll-baiting is wrong...but jeebus! what is this guy smoking? he needs the kind of help we can't give him here.)
-L.
But it's sort of an honor to be called a cunt by someone like Gordon. Then I know I'm on the right track.
Echidne
You're on the right track whether he calls you that or not. The only saving grace here is that Gordon has offered up another heaping helping of peabrained right-wing ugliness to a country that's getting pretty goddamn sick of it. He and his pals really are their own worst enemies.
The four silliest things our president said in yesterday's debate, in order of increasing silliness:
1) "Want some wood?"
2) "hydrogen-generated automobiles"
3) [I have] "...increased the wetlands by three million."
three million *what,* Mr. President?
4) "Battling green eyeshades."
There are two Bushes and niether is emotionally fit to be Commander in Chief.
First, there is the Bush who took seven minutes to come out of a daze after being advised his country was under attack (imagine the mornign zoo and latenight comedian jokes that would be spread id the dame were to be said of the leader of France). His behavior later that day, and the fact that Clinton made it to NY from AUSTRALIA before goergie arrived wasn't really very heroic either. Combine that with his Viet Nam era conduct and you have a pretty big wimp.
On the other hand there is the raging autocrat diplayed so dramatically in the last two debates.
Anger and flying off the handle at the mere questioning of his positions were displayed in different ways in each. He is not at all a man of conviction but a man consumed by fear of failure.
But it's sort of an honor to be called a cunt by someone like Gordon. Then I know I'm on the right track.
Yes, m'dear, you have a point. One must also consider that, assuming Gordon's hetero, a man of his apparent charms would need an illustrated tech manual (with pop-ups) and extensive training to be able to recognize and identify an actual cunt.
Who the fuck is Servio Berlusconi?
Badddoggie
in the preznut's mind i'm sure that means an italian butler or something along those lines ... maybe a barber
I see the trolls have not neglected to visit here tonight, and are discoursing in their usual high-minded fashion...
rorschach
And with the poor out in the frost, digging turf out of Glencullen, begob.
That crowd is nor good to me nor to you nor to anybody else, nor ever will be.
Ladies and gentlemen, the right war was Osama bin Laden and Afghanistan. That was the right place. And the right time was Tora Bora, when we had him cornered in the mountains.
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the next President of the United States.
speaking of Superfreaky...
i nearly fell off my chair when Bush
said the UN Weapons Inspectors failed
because they did not remove Saddam
Hussein from power!
What an idiot.
so glad Kerry immediately corrected
him.
he's goin' down and he can't believe it.
sort of like gordon.
From what I read, Gordon knows when he's going down, he just doesn't always know who he's going down on.
But hey, prison can be like that sometimes...
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Begob indeed, Phila.
And I don't know whether this has been mentioned, as I just returned from a debate-watching party, but did Bush actually say he'd appoint a SC justice who would vote for him?
And how does he get away with that?
wow. the Bobble-Heads amaze me. what debate were THEY watching?
were they this bad over the first one?
i mean, this is the first chance i had to watch one live, with no pundit (of either variety) telling me first what i should think about it, and they are now telling me that while "Kerry won the first one", this one was CLOSER? huh? wha? you gotta' be smokin' crack, kids!
or was Kerry, live, even THAT much better in round one?
yeesh.
-L.
the PBS online poll is the most sophisticated of the lot:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/vote...es/
ballot2.html
(CNN) -- There was no clear winner of the second presidential debate, a poll taken late Friday suggests.
A CNN/USA Today/Gallup snap poll taken immediately after the presidential debate Friday night found that respondents gave a slight, statistically insignificant edge to Sen. John Kerry over President Bush, 47 percent to 45 percent.
The respondents included 515 registered voters who watched the debate. Their political affiliations broke down as 38 percent Republican, 32 percent Democratic and 30 percent independent.
Even a slanted poll gives Kerry the edge, yet of course the headline and spin call the results "even."
E-mail these clowns and let them know what you think of their respondent pool composition.
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Effeedreene. Now there's a safe non-Canadian import.
Where is my wood Pickles?? Didja see me get all up in Gibson's face? Didja??
I'm a War President!!
contact all media outlets with this message:
You've never seen a candidate as angry, rude and unhinged as Bush when he shouted down Charlie Gibson.
This is the story of the debate.
A few online debate polls:
CNN
Kerry 78% 241k
Bush 20% 63k
Yahoo
Kerry 64% 143k
Bush 33% 73k
Faux
Kerry 50% 150k
Bush 49% 145K
CBS
Kerry 88%
Bush 12%
Kerry crushes Bush on all but Faux News; even there he has a slight lead.
fuck you gordon.
go perch on your thumb and twirl.
"it's not lithium. it's probably speed."-charley
i think you are right. obviously the barbituates they gave him last week weren't doing the trick so they switched.
but did Bush actually say he'd appoint a SC justice who would vote for him?
Nah, I think he meant he didn't want to say who he'd pick, 'cause then the other people wouldn't vote for him. That's how I heard it.
On topic for just amount, though...seeing that wild lunge by Bush, nothing's gonna convince me that he wasn't pumped full of some kinda speed. It reminds me of Manson's lunge when he was on trial. Crazier than a shithouse rat, I tell ya...
All that jaw action was probably repressed rage at not being able to let his feelings show. Probably sitting there reminding himself "don't fidget! sit still! eyes front!" and hating every fucking microsecond of it.
Gordo the FAGnificunt has been kicked out of bed by his little boy friends and is now trolling for more.
Sorry Gordo, no kiddie porn here. You'll have to go beg your sugar daddy, John Ashcroft for more.
Just amount = just a moment. I'm getting sleepy, obviously.
On CNN International, they're showing the Bush freakout against Charlie Gibson.
The die is cast.
Listening to a rerun now. Anyone catch Kerry's reference to "Orwellian names" for programs like No Child Left Behind, etc.?
You'd almost think... naaah.
rorschach: And I don't know whether this has been mentioned, as I just returned from a debate-watching party, but did Bush actually say he'd appoint a SC justice who would vote for him?
He also said: "I would pick somebody who would not allow their personal opinion to get in the way of the law."
Which apparently means he'll be nominating a whole slate of people who won't want to overturn Roe v. Wade. What an amazing slip. I wish we'd jump on that with two feet...
Okay, Phila, I'd have to see it again to know with certainty what he said or meant.
overall my response is about the same as last week. the president did an outstanding job. bush never had a chance against him.
duus-we caught there here, too--
so Bush has increased the wetlands by three million...
inches?
quatloos?
uh?
he was just plain lost in the wilderness, i thought.
-L.
I told you all... he shot up a freekin' speedball before he walked on stage!
If anyone (besides those mindless publican drones) votes for this wacko after that marvelous moment, I'll be damned surprised!!!
so Bush has increased the wetlands by three million...
inches?
quatloos?
uh?
Score, mama. I was wonderin' that meself.
TK--Yeah, I'm sure that's what Bush means. His answer on that question was just amazingly disjointed and bizarre, as the Dred Scott post below points out.
Bush has no idea what the constitution says, nor does he care.
Bill Maher is ridiculing Bush tremendously, by the way, and now Michael Moore is on, from the U of Minnesota.
he increased wetlands by 3 million acres of dust.
Chris Amanpour rocks.
A few online debate polls:....
Oh, yeah, I'm believeing a bunch of that. Yessiree, there's nothing quite so open, aboveboard, and honest as an online fucking poll. By golly, I'm convinced...
Atrios, I sure hope your Grand Strategy for the Ultimate Elimination of All Online Polls succeeds......RSN!
Gordon,
Your blog sucks, Bush sucks, you suck.
Give it up and go to bed. You can cry yourself to sleep if you feel the need.
If my candidate looks as deranged as yours did tonight, I'd be cryin'.
what station is maher?
Rorshach, THANK you, I didn't know that was on! [exit, stage right]
I was really impressed with nearly all the questions that were asked. Much better than most of the questions I've heard from the two previous moderators.
It's hard to gauge the amount of meth needed to counter the effects of alcohol. So, he used too little last time and too much tonight. Big deal. He didn't pull out a piece and shoot up the place. I respect him for that. That's why he has my vote.
Chris Amanpour is reporting from Kabul that people are being turned away from voting BECAUSE THERE IS NOT ENOUGH INDELIBLE INK FOR THUMBPRINTS TO PREVENT FRAUD.
Thousands are being turned away from voting booths in Kabul.
So much for Bush's FREE AFGHANISTAN ELECTIONS!!!
HBO, on his show Real Time.
so Bush has increased the wetlands by three million...
inches?
quatloos?
uh?
Score, mama. I was wonderin' that meself.
Silleigh
Skeeters, dang it! I mean, what could be more obvious?
Not frogs, they's all moved to Canada, I hear.
Silleigh--yeah, we were a little worried here about that "Orwellian" comment...you know, there goes Mr. Grad School again--but maybe by now that has settled into the common parlance?
how can this even BE a contest now? Librarian is confused.
I'm certain I saw Bush glaring at Kerry as K. went to sit down. Twice. I mean, Bush stared hard right at him and followed him until he sat down.
Neither time shown in close up unfortunately.
Anyone else catch that?
Aaron Brown w/'Tomorrow's Headlines -
Washington Times: "Bush Hits 'Global Test' "
Bush missed his cue on this one I guess.
It's hard to gauge the amount of meth needed to counter the effects of alcohol. So, he used too little last time and too much tonight. Big deal. He didn't pull out a piece and shoot up the place. I respect him for that. That's why he has my vote.
Gen JC Christian, patriot
Hell, if that bozo drew down, the safest place in the auditorium would be on stage, right in front of him.
Fielding, thanks for the CNN link. Here's what I sent 'em:
"I'm curious why your sampling methodology favors Republican respondents by six percent. It certainly doesn't match voter-turnout statistics from the last couple of presidential elections. I'm also curious why you call Kerry's lead--garnered despite willful oversampling of Republicans--'statistically insignificant.'
"It seems very odd to me. I'd love to hear an explanation."
Bush and Cheney send mixed messages regarding Subchapter S corporations.
Cheney: While you [Sen.Edwards] were in private practice in law and as a senator, you had the advantage of a special tax loophole, Subchapter S corporation, which you set up so you could avoid paying $600,000 in Medicare taxes that would have gone into the fund.
Bush: Most small businesses are Subchapter S corps. They just are.
Afghanistan elections turning foul in Real Time.
Silleigh, I noticed the Orwell reference, too, especially as I've been rereading 1984. It was a nice little touch; not anything that would confuse anyone who hasn't read it, but a nice nudge for those who have.
Okay, Phila, I'd have to see it again to know with certainty what he said or meant.
rorschach
The moment burnt itself into my brain because it was so embarrassing. He essentially said he couldn't name any names because he wanted all the potential jurists to vote for him. There was a slight pause like he expected his normal army of loyalty oath-signing zombies to erupt in hilarity, but all he got was a kind of patronizing, muted "golf chuckle."
Actually, he couldn't name any names cause his leading candidate got knocked out of the running due to the JD torture memo.
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Haven't read all the comments -so if someone else said this I apologize for the redundancy, but, my cynical reaction to Bush going off on Gibson was that it was planned to be a Reaganesque "I paid for this microphone" moment & he just didn't pull it off very well. I think he was coached to be more assertive, a stronger presence-hence the shouting & I think they may have had him watching old Reagan tapes (possibly ala Clockwork Orange)to get the warm, humorous style (as evidenced by the winks & somewhat inappropriate laughs when Kerry was on the attack). Bush has two problems there - he's not much of an actor & he's not comfortable with a crowd that isn't providing constant positive feedback.
It was a nice little touch; not anything that would confuse anyone who hasn't read it, but a nice nudge for those who have.
Echidne, you mean we can have a president for smart people again? *sighs happily*
I just saw the flip out again, and yeah, that's gonna get some air time over the weekend and on the comedy shows come Monday. I think Tweety might just have his snippet for 2008...
but seriously, this was not a bad "debate"--i mean, the time flew by, we weren't even bored! and it was, honestly, FUN to watch!
(and i guess we even scared poor little Gordie away! and what--he was the only one? no one else here for scoring tags on the enemy? have they all retreated? incredible.)
-L.
Bush was everything I'd hoped he'd be tonite. Evasive, snarley, nonsensical, defensive, surley and JUST PLAIN FUCKING NUTS!
Yes, I'm shouting
Kerry was also everything I hoped for. Knowledgeable, factual, personable, likable and tough. Now I see why he is called the "Closer".
The only thing missing was my fantasy daydream of Kerry sucker-punching him and having bu$h carted off by the s. service.
Hell, if that bozo drew down, the safest place in the auditorium would be on stage, right in front of him.
G Goober Goober, EFB , HSG
If Chimpy'd been wearing holsters, as cranked up as he was tonight, he would've shot his pecker off while drawing.
Got wood yet?
he couldn't name any names because he wanted all the potential jurists to vote for him. There was a slight pause like he expected his normal army of loyalty oath-signing zombies to erupt in hilarity, but all he got was a kind of patronizing, muted "golf chuckle."
Okay, that's what I heard, too. So, it Phila right or is FM right? Other people's take on it?
On CNN International, they're showing the Bush freakout against Charlie Gibson.
The die is cast.
ferris
Be nice to think they'd make this Bush's "Yawp heard round the world".
Not gonna happen, though. Well, maybe it will be...heard round the world, but not over here where it counts. Where the voters live.
It seems Bush has himself become the freaky sideshow of these debates.
Instead of comparing Bush to Kerry they are comparing the "angry Bush" of tonight
to the "comatose Bush" of last week. Kerry was smart and crisp and Bush just carried
on being a total nutcase. I was disgusted when Bush treated Gibson like he was irrelevant.
TANTRUMS ARE NOT PRESIDENTIAL...and not even amusing.
personally I thought the biggest bombshell was when bush said he had a mistake "hiring some people" but he didnt want to name names. franted I have had a few rum and cokes but I was sure surprized he said this and it did not seem to be picked up by any pundits. My first thought was Colin Powell maybe Brennor. After several moments I guessed maybe it was Temet. Later I again thout it might be his previous economic advisors. I missed the obvious Cheney and possibly yjay puppet they were pushing as the first Iraqi president. Anyone have a take on this?
Bush looking bad internationally
The magic words that made Bush flip out on Gibson came in the Kerry speech beforehand -- "your father." Mention Bush 41 and little Bush freaks.
I've got to turn in, but I just want to leave you with one thing to ponder:
The SCLM are discussing the debating skills of a president whose handpicked CIA director just got slapped down for selecting a convicted shoplifter to be his third in command.
Despite what you think, Goober - Bush has cast his own die and he has hung himself with his own actions.
You cannot spin this. Bush is toast.
yeah i was disappointed Kerry didn't mention Poppy more. It's obviously W's hot button.
I did like the way Kerry addressed Bush - challenging, goading him. Did you folks notice Bush's tics and twitches? He was trying hard to control himself and not always succeeding. He gulped water but not quite as much.
I have this bitch on tape. And, trust me, Bu$h is even worse this time. He was just plain crank yankin.
He was like a windup toy spouting nonsense while Kerry actually answered questions.
an aside--but even my very religious, conservative, rural PA parents were already arguing, before tonight, about what it means if one candidate is "better at debating" than the other, which, i HOPE, means that one of them (probably my dad) is about to go off-res, and either not vote at all, or vote for Kerry.
talk about a spit-take!
-L.
he couldn't name any names because he wanted all the potential jurists to vote for him.
See, that's what I heard, too. He wanted 'em to vote for him in hopes they'd get picked for the job.
Sorry if I didn't make that clear!
bush just has this horrible, slimy exterior. he's cocky, arrogant, and opinionated. how can someone so religious be so "mightier than thou"? shouldn't this guy be a bit more subtle? kerry's poise and willingness to ADDRESS issues automatically gives him my support.
Aside from the total lunacy act of charging down Charlie Gibson, Bush's constant rabid blinking made him look like an utter freak.
The Duelfer Report justified the invasion of Iraq.
Josh Marshall is tentatively calling the debate a draw. What the hell is he drinking tonight? Fire up the TIVO Josh and take a closer look.
but seriously, this was not a bad "debate"--i mean, the time flew by, we weren't even bored! and it was, honestly, FUN to watch!
I'll give it that. this format beat hell out of the first "standard" type debate. Both candidates were much more alive this time, giving each of them a boost. Bush's boost is probably enough for the SCUM to award it to him, unless popular opinion makes itself known loudly enough to dissuade them. Still, if they feel they have to even things up, Kerry can still kick ass in #3, and I'll bet they have plans for just that.
He's so not used to having to share the limelight or have anyone contradict him.
I wonder if anyone has looked closely at the effects his bursts of anger and inability to admit to any mistakes goes over with women. I'd like to think it's costing him votes.
I wish Kerry had pointed out that the "buck stopped" with Truman but Bush blames everyone else (CIA and generals tonight) for any mistakes
So, it Phila right or is FM right?
rorschach
Actually, I think we're kinda saying the same thing in slightly different ways - please don't make Phila turn his laser-beam intellect on me. Yipes, I don't want to get troll-fried.
"Never go up against a Sicilian with DEATH on the line!"
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And did you notice how rude Bush was... he would leap up to standing while Kerry was still talking. It was distracting. Kerry never did that.
Bush is always like the kid in grade school with his hand waving in the air..."me, me, pick me, ooh ooh, ooh".
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didn't numbnuts say something tonite about repairing those intl relationships. well, france ain't buying:
Report on Iraq Arms Deals Angers France and Others
By STEVEN R. WEISMAN
Published: October 9, 2004
WASHINGTON, Oct. 8 - The Bush administration's handling this week of a report on Saddam Hussein's attempts to purchase weapons and buy influence has angered French officials and set back a year of American efforts to repair the rupture caused by the Iraq war, French and other European officials said Friday.
The anger of France and others is focused on the assertions in the report by Charles A. Duelfer, the top American arms inspector in Iraq, that French companies and individuals, some with close ties to the government, enriched themselves through Iraq's efforts to gain influence around the world in the years before the war.
[...]
French officials say that the report's charges, based on documents and interviews in Iraq, have been denied in the past, but that Mr. Duelfer's report did not contain the denials. They also complain that France was not given more than one day's notice before the report was issued.
They were incensed that the report also mentioned Americans in connection with similar charges but that unlike the French they were not identified because of American privacy regulations.
"You protect American citizens, but you put in danger a number of private citizens in other countries who may be innocent people," said Jean-David Levitte, the French ambassador to the United States. "These names are from an old list, published months ago, and those mentioned denied it flatly."
A European diplomat said the damage to French-American relations was so great that it could disrupt a new spirit of cooperation with France on other fronts, namely the joint American and European efforts to put pressure on Iran to dismantle its suspected nuclear weapons program and to organize an international conference next month on Iraq.
"This report does great damage," Mr. Levitte said. "There really is a sense of outrage in Paris. We don't want to create a situation that will put us back to one year ago. But these are dirty tricks at the expense of France, with the White House putting the finger on the name of France."
Glee city over with the Kerry campaign.
Terror threat level raised by noon tomorrow!
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Josh Marshall is tentatively calling the debate a draw. What the hell is he drinking tonight? Fire up the TIVO Josh and take a closer look.
Marshall has been doing this sort of thing quite a bit of late, it is odd.
Jenny--I did notice that. He once again tried to steamroll the debate, and to me he came off looking like a petulant child, yes.
Did you folks notice Bush's tics and twitches? He was trying hard to control himself and not always succeeding
Yes, indeed. Early on, after his every remark, he sniffed, yanked his head in self satisfaction.
Kerry hit him hard and smacked him down and told that bitch to sit down, so to speak. Kerry killed him.
I think Marshall may not have watched the debate. The post says he listened. THat would make a big difference.
By the way, I think a terror alert is quite justified---Bush might do something dangerous tomorrow!
All your internets are belong to us!
You guy got it all wrong about the jaw -- he had BLOWERS CRAMPS from sucking on Cheney's limp little trouser trout. Probably not the best way to prepare for a presidential debate -- but they if you were a spoiled, lazy, rich, party-hardee frat-boy type, it might be preferable to really doing the intellectual work that Kerry obviously did
You cannot spin this. Bush is toast.
Ferris
Which of my posts gave you the impression I disagree?
Not my intention, Mellish, just trying to straighten out what happened. Yes, you and Phila do agree. No need for strife.
Glad I'm not the only one who thought Our Preznit was *really* CRANKED tonight.
"Artificial Energy
Is loose in my mind"--Roger McGuinn
The Oil for food sections of the Duelfer report are a cut and paste of slanders from Ahmad chalabi. They are totally unproven. This nonsense does not belong in a professional report. A true statesman would wait for Volcker's findings before casting slanders at our allies.
I did like how he said the Duelfer Report justified the invasion. Like, sure, there was nothing, but within 10 years, had Hussein kept at it, there MIGHT have been the beginning of almost sort of possibly starting the beginning of starting a new weapons program...
Bush: Good enough for me!
"angry Bush" of tonight
to the "comatose Bush" of last week"
Of course then, there is the why?
If this were a prize fight, the discussion would be covering the training, the psyche, the vices and so forth.
But this wasn't a prize fight. Bush being so strange on debate one and now was far cooler, though still odd in debate two should be open for serious discussion. No one said he had the flu, the only thing I heard was he was visiting the hurricane victims and was tired. That is a pretty lame excuse. We expect a leader with some stamina and discipline in being prepared. So how can a leder of this magnitude appear so differently between two very important events.
President Bush was unsteady on this at the start, then Kerry absolutely knocked Bush clean over the ropes with his response.
Frank Rich on Maher right now. He's so wonderfully humorous and erudite.
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so, this is kind of seriously OT, and i will mention it here again on the dayside next week, but, if any of y'all are in the PGH area, there will be a TV crew here from the main (or, well, pretty much ONLY,) network in New Zealand, working their way through a few cities, looking to talk with--and this is what THEY said to me--"so-called 'real' people"- doing a story on the election.
they will be in PGH on Friday and Saturday, October 29 & 30. they are also going through Miami, Nashville, and DC.
you can reach me at the email link below in my sig, and i will let you know where & when they will be around town here.
i do NOT want to stack the deck or anything like that--they are trying to get a balanced picture of what people here care about & what they are thinking.
but since Atrios is a real player in the whole political scene now, i figured it would be good to see if Atriots wanted to talk to NZTV.
it's a wild world, no lie.
-L.
The Duelfer Report justified the invasion of Iraq.
Anonymous
Not even close. Duelfer just threw in the cloudy nonsense about "intent to resume development of WMD in the future" so Condi and her wife could spin the latest "why we really invaded Iraq" lie.
He knows where his bread is buttered.
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You perople are unbelievable, critisising that Bush guy's performance tonight. Anybody can have an off-day (or an off-term in his case...). And this meme about him being on a cocktail of drugs that would have killed the few still-living parts of Rush Limbaugh (his reptilian hind-brain, bile duct, and asshole) is just plain mean.
Shame on you. And you over there too. Yes, you.
I think it's much more likely that Bush's tertiary syphillis is playing up again, the poor insane wretch.
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> biggest bombshell was when bush said he had a mistake "hiring some people"
I couldn't tell if he meant Richard Clarke, Paul O'Neil, etc. or Cheney, Pearle, etc. Or Joseph Wilson and Sibel Edmonds.
good quote from the NYTimes, where Bush's flashes of anger did not go unnoticed:
Mr. Bush, whose uneven performance last week had stirred concern among Republicans, particularly as post-debate polls showed him losing his lead to Mr. Kerry, seemed hesitant and spoke loudly when he took the stage. But the president, who seemed distracted and fidgety in the Sept. 30 debate, grew increasingly comfortable through the night, though at times he flashed glances of anger at Mr. Kerry that were reminiscent of his demeanor the week before. At one point, Mr. Bush mistakenly referred to Mr. Kerry as "Senator Kennedy."
Mystery bulge in Bush's jacket in 1st debate makes it into mainstream media.
I sure hope this story gets pushed HARD, not something that we don't hear much about until after the election.
Yeah, it's about time that Bill Maher started crucifying Bush. He owes us for all the pandering he's been doing this year. I really lost some respect for him when he jumped on the bandwagon against Dean for "the scream." In recent weeks, he's devoted most of his show's airtime to bashing Kerry for being a supposed wimp.
New Nickname for ChimpyMcExPresident:
"Mystery Bulge"...
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The NYT nails Bush for his inability to admit a single mistake.
Aside from the total lunacy act of charging down Charlie Gibson, Bush's constant rabid blinking made him look like an utter freak.
Tres Politicool | Email | Homepage | 10.09.04 - 2:35 am | ........................Id like to see Animal Control at the next debate.Bush might go totally atavistic on Kerry.
I'm of the opinion the president might have a mild case of tourettes. Not as bad as screaming out obscenities or anything (although after his tangle with Gibson, that could be debated.) I had a friend in high school who had it. When he was talking or focused on something it subsided, but when he was sitting calmly these tics and twitches would show. Also some mild grunts.
Three of the dumbest voters on the planet:
Three voters in the audience said after the debate that they were unmoved by the candidates' answers and that they remained undecided.
"I'm no more near a decision now than I was this time yesterday," said Linda Grabel, a 63-year-old legal secretary who asked Mr. Bush at the end of the debate whether he could name "three instances where you realized you made a wrong decision and what you did to correct it."
She said it appeared that Mr. Bush misunderstood her question and believed she was talking about the Iraq war when she was, in fact, speaking far more generally.
"We all have said 'Ooh, that was a dumb decision, here's what I have to do to fix it,' " she added. "I wanted to know: Give me some of those decisions, what were they, and how did you fix them?"
Jenny, as always, you come up with an apt description--it was like Bush was afraid he wasn't going to get his cookie before nap-time if he didn't show how enthusiastic he was (that, or his mommy didn't tell him about being polite while someone else is talking...)
"Bush is always like the kid in grade school with his hand waving in the air..."me, me, pick me, ooh ooh, ooh"."
-L.
Tony Blair, your going it alone.
The expectations game.
Bush always will win on this one. How any professional politician can perform so miserably in front of an audience is mind boggling.
So, Bush did not spit up all over himself again, big deal. The guy is still the biggest doofus around.
The joke is on us, you can see that every time he smirks at his audience.
Americans everywhere are having to defend themselves against the charge of having this nincompoop as our leader, how could we let it happen. If he gets elected again, we'll have no place to hide and no excuses.
Saying we didn't vote for him will not be enough.
So give the debate to Kerry despite the spin, but he better deliver in the next three weeks, or else.
Tony Snow is destroying Bill Maher.
Hey, back for one sec 'cause I was reading some coverage...and I'm noticing that Kerry's line about the tax cuts going to himself, Bush, and Charlie don't seem to be getting much play. The audience seemed to like those lines from what I could tell. And it's a good argument. But I'm not seeing much of it out there. Weird. Maybe.
Anyone else notice this?
I'll take my answer off the air!
All your Justices are belong to us
And the president was utterly incoherent when asked about whom he might name to the Supreme Court in a second term. His comment about how he didn't want to offend any judges because he wanted "them all voting for me" was a joke - but an unfortunate one, given the fact that the president owes his job to a Supreme Court vote.
about frickin' time, renato!
( At one point, Mr. Bush mistakenly referred to Mr. Kerry as "Senator Kennedy.")
and he did NOT catch his mistake!
-L.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/0...ign/
09tube.html
I like this line:
"The arena was round, but Mr. Bush acted as though he were cornered."
Thanks guys
Poll has dropped 10 points for Bush since I mentioned freeping up-thread
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Mike Hatch for Governor.
In Josh Marshall's defense, he had the right instinct about the CBS matter. As much as it pained him, as things turned out...
The guy that asked Kerry to look in the camera and promise not to raise taxes was a republican plant.
Actually the CBS matter has not been satisfactorily resolved. The documents seem likely genuine, but Burkett is covering for a source---probably Conn
Josh Marshall is losing me. Over the last month or so, he has been losing me as a regular reader.
The guy that asked Kerry to look in the camera and promise not to raise taxes was a republican plant.
Probably true. But Kerry would have been presented with that direct question sooner or later and he most likely was prepared for it. He didn't seem to be caught off-guard. Still it stunk up the room and I hated hearing him have to give that kind of definitive answer. Everyone knows these are perilous and unpredictable times...
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The guy that asked Kerry to look in the camera and promise not to raise taxes was a republican plant.
You could tell because he all but asked Kerry to "talk stupid so I can understand."
"he wanted all the potential jurists to vote for him."
well, 5 of them, anyway.
GWB was excessively cranked tonight, just as he was too zonked and out of it for the first debate. He's either shouting at or hiding from his own demons, not dealing with the real world that the rest of us share. As a previous poster implied, it looks like George is riding the same uppers/downers rollercoaster that Dr. Nick put Elvis on (each generation gets the Elvis it deserves, I guess). Maybe, gawdhelpus, Capitol Hill Blues actually got it right with its infamous "Bush on anti-depressants" story. And why did George skip his physical? Because they couldn't come up with the right mix of meds so that he would neither be curled up on the floor in the fetal position nor trying to rip the doctor's head off with a scalpel during the exam? Inquiring minds want to know. There's enough here to make Bush's mental stability and medical history a real issue. Surely the blogosphere can come up with enough expertise (drawing on medical or rich personal experience) to pursue this question.
The right instinct about the CBS matter was that it was meaningless. Marshall acted like he was leading liberals to acknowledge the truth. It was a bullshit posture on his part.
Phila--
that was totally OUR pick for sound-bite witty remark of the debate...the audience seemed to love it, they reacted--how any pundit could miss this, is beyond me...it was the "you, sir, are no Jack Kennedy" or "there you go again" remark of this match, i thought, hands down!
"and I'm noticing that Kerry's line about the tax cuts going to himself, Bush, and Charlie don't seem to be getting much play."
-L.
Another thing that struck me about this debate was that Gibson was the one who chose the order of the questions--I was getting very riled up that what I thought would be the last two questions were about 1) stem cells and 2) abortion.
And then the last question was about Bush's 3 mistakes!
I was really rather shocked by that.
Did anyone notice that after 25 minutes, Bush had the same look on his face that he did during those 7 minutes when he sat and went "gaaa gaaa" when told that America was under attack? I wish I had the digital imaging skills to create an animation of George on 9/11 and George at tonight's debate. Any takers out there?
Got Wood? | Email | Homepage | 10.09.04 - 2:52 am
Ay-men. I have been seriously hacked off at Maher lately because of the Kerry-bashing... and I missed the very beginning of the show tonight, but he didn't let up on Bush for a second tonight. It was HARSH. Catch the rerun, y'all. And thank you again, dear Rorschach, if you're still up.
And while I myself have an invisible sky-friend (whose exact nature is unknown to me), it was very nice to see both Maher and David Cross lay on the smackdown regarding morality NOT being the conjoined twin of religion. I thought Tony Snow and Steele were never gonna let up on that-- it was as if the idea was unconceivable to them until Cross finally nailed the point.
Mellish, thanks for the link, i fired off an email, close in substancs to Philas but with this closer:
One wonders what sort of "tie" would have resulted if the poll had been more evenly weighted.
I know it sounds naive to say this, but can't CNN just go back to giving us the news, and leave the spinning for the political operatives?
also, re: gordo the moron,
haven't seen his shitty ass in here since he came through one night bragging about his military service, then got punked hard by 2 Atriots who had actually served.
yeah, he stayed away for a while after that.
(of course, there's a rumor that he's Kevin, but thats still unproven)
Or "inconceivable." It's like 3:20AM here.
the woman who asked the abortion question was a republican plant too. it's ok. kerry can handle them.
Karen Hughes: Kerry looked defensive and angry. Bush looked happy, even winking at people.
Karen is ten minutes from normal, not counting the long, tedious stretches of batshit crazyland.
republican plant is probably the wrong word. likely republican voter, i guess.
And while I myself have an invisible sky-friend (whose exact nature is unknown to me), it was very nice to see both Maher and David Cross lay on the smackdown regarding morality NOT being the conjoined twin of religion.
Yes, that was good to see, I have to say. the repubs were just dumbfounded at the very thought! And watching the whole thing end with Steele saying there were laws against adultery? Priceless...
I'm an atheist myself, so Maher's harsh position on that, while a bit beyond what I think, is gratifying. Atheist have no voice in this country. (Kerry actually said the word "atheist" in the debates tonight, though! I was amazed! We exist!)
And you are welcome, Silleigh.
And thanks for the e-mail. All has turned out more or less for the better on that front, thankfully.
May I just say that I can't wait for them to haul their ugly asses out of our White House. I'm sick to death of every last one of them... Good fucking riddence.
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Karen Hughes: ...Bush looked happy, even winking at people.
Facial tic. Tardive dyskinesia from all the pharmaceuticals. That was my first flippant thought. Hell, the guy can't ride a bike or chew a pretzel, he isn't coordinated enough to wink intentionally.
somebody give us the David Cross line about morality vs religiosity, please.
some of us have no Showtime.
All has turned out more or less for the better on that front, thankfully.
NOW I will go to bed really, really happy. Drop me an E.
Nigh-nigh, all.
Silleigh--
I actually did think it was a massive tic at first! It was just so odd.
OT, if there is one anymore, it seems US oil companies made some massive profits off of that evil, corrupt UN oil for food program...
thanks for mentioning the time--it is EXACTLY like 3:30AM here, and Librarian's Invisible Sky Friend says that this is bed-time, even on a Friday night.
as ever, thanks for the wonderful space of sanity y'all provide.
guess we'll find out tomorrow what the Spinsters say we saw...
'night.
-L.
I have to agree. I almost stopped reading John Marshall too after the bogus memo non-story -- the "proof" that was circulating on the internet was bogus. I have to give the evil Rovest credit, however, beautiful propaganda. You know, Hitler was actually just a nut that was a front for Prescott Bush and his band of thieves. It was a sad day when I realized the Nazis lost WWII, but then came over here and took over the US governmemt!
Good night Silleigh and Librarian! Sleep well and dream of Nov 3.
"I'd be willing to bet that the abortion question lady spends all of her free time plotting to blow up abortion clinics and sticking needles through the condom packs at the drugstore. She was absolutely putrid.
That's worth repeating:
Bush might have Tardive Dyskinesia.
I know that this could never happen in a debate, but when it comes to people like that woman, asking for assurances that no gov't money would go to abortion, I just want to say, okay, does that mean that I can refuse to pay taxes because I don't want any of my money to go to bombing Iraqi civilians in the thousands?
Kerry struck the right note, saying that if it's okay for the rich, it's okay for the poor. Good for him on that.
it's nuts that people even need the dog and pony show of a debate in order to make up their minds. bush's record isn't enough? toddler terrorists being bombed and getting liberated to kingdom come isn't enough? people need stylistic impressions in order to make up their minds? impressions that might be misleading because people don't see how heavily bush was coached to even get him where he is.
who are these people?
arghghgh
When I was a kid, one of my friends stole his dad's box of condoms. A couple of months later, his mother got up in church and told everyone that God had blessed her with a miracle. She was pregnant.
And while I myself have an invisible sky-friend (whose exact nature is unknown to me), it was very nice to see both Maher and David Cross lay on the smackdown regarding morality NOT being the conjoined twin of religion.
sounds like hectate, but whoever, i second the emotion. mind you in the earely eighties i was a born again christian, a true believer, these days i am just a very drunk patriot hoping hope against hope that john kerry is the nesxt president of the united states of america. i revered this man since i was 12 years old, when he came back from the last wrong war and spoke truth to power. yeah, that would be nixon.
delivered newspapers, the evening capital, and i remember nixon falling, and my fear, and my anxiety about vietnam. kerry made me realize i was a man 'cause it didn't matter if i didn't want to fight a war that i thought was wrong, it was not necessarily my obligation to fight for my country if it was a wrong action.
i also want to say if after 9/11 my president said al qaeda attacked us charley, we need you in afghanistan, we need you to confront the terrorists to protect our country. i would sign up in a heart beat. even today at the age of 45. but god dammit man, to have your dick blown of in the wrong war, at the wrong time. what kind of god damn sense does that make.
we all have a 9/11 story. it's like that day kennedy was assisinated. one day i mean to write it out here. it involves a window washer (me) a vetran from ww2, a ret. gen.(vietnam) and two veitnamese fry cooks. it's no big deal but in an anectodal way it is.
finally i want to say Fuck George Bush he's a god damn war criminal and an enemy of the state. harsh , i dont' think so. i cant even believe we are having these debates, if we had a competent media, and a responsble congress, we all know, he would be facing articles of impeachment.
i'm charley mcmahon, and i approve this message. Fuck you asscroft.
any mangled syntax or mis spelling is due to the fact that i am drunker than rummy on blood.
Silleigh & Rorschach - You're right, Bill had some excellent comments about religion. The religion issue is one that Maher has always been pretty consistent about. That's one of the reasons why I never seem to be able to stay mad at him. (I am an Atheist, which as we all know is worse than being a Devil Worshipper!)
I still don't understand what he thinks he was accomplishing by trashing Kerry these last few weeks. It was sickening.
Bush freaks on Charlie Gibson.
Loosing it with the foot man is bad form, old boy. Charlie Gibson has been a loyal servant of the Bush family for at least as long as he's been Diane Sawyer's morning "news" date. Really shouldn't have taken it out on him . Though I'm sure your uncle Prescot would understand. You remember when he was thinking of taking up that seat in congress, was told he needed a hobby. Remember how they made a mountain out of that moll hill. When he said that he liked immegration because it was so hard to find help these days.
Servants, a burden that the best people must carry. But don't go rough on them.
There's a good chap.
(I am an Atheist, which as we all know is worse than being a Devil Worshipper!)
Of course, at least people who believe in the devil still believe in God.
I still don't understand what he thinks he was accomplishing by trashing Kerry these last few weeks. It was sickening.
I also was utterly confused and annoyed by Maher's repeated assertion that the GOP convention was a "better show" than the Dem convention. The GOP con was produced as well as a high school film project.
And while I myself have an invisible sky-friend (whose exact nature is unknown to me), it was very nice to see both Maher and David Cross lay on the smackdown regarding morality NOT being the conjoined twin of religion. I thought Tony Snow and Steele were never gonna let up on that-- it was as if the idea was unconceivable to them until Cross finally nailed the point.
I don't think they nailed it as well as they could have. I've had this argument with religious friends alot. They seem to think that a person can't have strong morals without Jeebus to lead the way.
Bullshit. I don't need the bible to tell me I shouldn't throw the dog off the roof or set my neighbor's house on fire. Or murder the postman. And I'm about as non-religious as you can get.
That's the fundie argument- somehow society will devolve into chaos without churches. Complete and utter nonsense.
know that this could never happen in a debate, but when it comes to people like that woman,
she was kind of hot, i'd like to give her some rude pundit action. jebus, she really pissed me off.
but you know what, john kerry, a true patriot, gave the appropriate responce. i understand your values mam, they are my values, but they are not everyones values. when exactly did america, stop being america.
silly me. after 9/11, and george dick head was president.
I don't need the bible to tell me I shouldn't throw the dog off the roof or set my neighbor's house on fire.
Or blow up bullfrogs? Oh wait...
charley, you were born again???
thank god you recovered!
Before I stagger off to sleep, I just want to say that Frank Rich is my hero. Fuck I wish they'd put him back on the op-ed page. He's worth 4 of brooksie and saffire. 4 each that is.
hell, just let him fucking write everyday. Better yet, Frank!! start a blog!
i haven't read josh "lite" marshall for over a year now, and am no less informed.
here's some food for thought.. is it true that Bush claims to have "increased wetlands by three million" unspecified units?
I thought it took thousands of years to create wetlands. So Bush can snap his fingers and create brand-new wetlands just like that?
That must be hard work.
Shorter spin from his enab-liers (the state sympathtic media)-
Rabid, yes, but hey... this time he looked like he was havin fun spreading lies. SO HE WON! YAY!
sunzoo -
I am a fan. You are just precious.
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sunzoo -
that night you were going on and on about the asshats, you just had me laughing... glad i can tell you that now.
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When I was a kid, one of my friends stole his dad's box of condoms. A couple of months later, his mother got up in church and told everyone that God had blessed her with a miracle. She was pregnant.
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That sounds a lot like the impotent Christers who get a team of doctors to implant them with a litter of someone else's embryos and then say that god wanted them to have six brats that they can't afford to feed. Blech.
PS I really love your site patriotboy. It's one of my favorites. You are one funny mothafucka!
spoked in forked tongues and the whole nine yards, four legs, but if you are truly spiritual you go beyond it.
ah, fuck it, who am i kidding i'm just drunk on rum. seriously, i was, teen challenge, the whole nine yards.
Maybe Maher comes up with his talking points when he's high. I can't see any other explanation for some of the shit that comes out of his mouth when he should know better.
jenny: aw, shucks!
charley - good to hear ya.
Maher needs to read William James on religion. His position is just ridiculous. He confuses fundamentalist with all religion.
> when exactly did america, stop being america.
When the GOP declared a culture war on us. That's when. Its been all downhill from there. Angry religious based hate. Anti-secularism is mainstream. Thomas Jefferson is officially a state enemy.
I think we saw a rare glimpse into the difference between the two parties and what we call conservative and "liberal."
In conservative land shouting and screaming is a type of argument. Appealing to a religious authority and being shameless about turning religion into law is being conservative. Refusing to play by the moderator's rules are conservative. Refusing to admit error is conservative. Putting money before lives is conservative. All classics.
In liberal/moderate land having a good answer is the only good argument. Appealing to facts, not authority is common. Having some respect for the rules is common. Putting lives before money is very liberal. Erring on the side of freedom and western enlightenment is liberal. Not pissing on the social safety net that gave you a leg up at one time is a liberal idea. War as a last resort is a very liberal idea. Not too long ago in western history war as a last resort was laughed at.
There you go America. Pick your man. Pick your party. The cronyistic theocrats vs. the western enlightenment. Retro vs. metro. Scaife vs. Soros. etc
Well said, skallas.
Does anyone know where I should stop the counter on the debate video at C-SPAN to see the Chimp's tantrum?
> He confuses fundamentalist with all religion.
Oh give it up already. That's a bullshit strawman and you know it. You should be angry at the ultra-religious in this country because they are making all believers look bad. And the inability of responsible religious people who dont want theocratic elements in their government to hold these people back makes them part of the problem too.
I simply cannot believe the way this is being spun in the SCLM. Are my lying eyes deceiving me?
Eh-xcellent!
(scroll down a bit towards the bottom and see whom Edwards was debating last Tuesday)
next time bush trots out that: "Quit denigrating the sacrifice of Poland" BS I want to hear Kerry go on the attack, but good.
"No mr. resident, I'm not denigrating anybody. But the American people know they are the ones paying for this war, and they know it is our American sons and daughters dying in a foreign land. Do you really believe that Poland or Uzbeckistan’s sacrifice in young men and women is the same as ours? Do you really think that the impact on Poland’s economy for the costs of war are the same as ours? It’s our people dying over there, and you better believe I’m going to note their service every chance I get.”
Maybe Kerry should just remind the simpleton of the fact that Poland wants out.
I was even more hyped up after this debate than the first one and felt a need for really rough sex afterwards.
KERRY IN A LANDSLIDE!
Krauthammer....."OF COURSE THE TERRORIST WANT KERRY TO WIN. HOW CAN ANYONE PRETEND OTHERWISE?"
i think Kerry did an excellent job of pointing out that countries are fleeing the coalition of the bribed and coerced. Bush got punk'd, just not as badly as last time.
ST. LOUIS, Missouri (CNN) -- There was no clear winner of the second presidential debate, a poll taken late Friday suggests.
A CNN/USA Today/Gallup snap poll taken immediately after the presidential debate Friday night found that respondents gave a slight, statistically insignificant edge to Sen. John Kerry over President Bush, 47 percent to 45 percent.
The respondents included 515 registered voters who watched the debate. Their political affiliations broke down as 38 percent Republican, 32 percent Democratic and 30 percent independent.
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The respondents were polled before the event and 50 percent said they planned to vote for Bush while 46 percent favored Kerry.
Why is this poll weighted toward Republicans???
Why is this poll weighted toward Republicans???
It didn't want all of the other slanted polls to make fun of it?
In conservative land shouting and screaming is a type of argument. Appealing to a religious authority and being shameless about turning religion into law is being conservative. Refusing to play by the moderator's rules are conservative. Refusing to admit error is conservative. Putting money before lives is conservative. All classics.
jebus christ, what are all you insane mothefuckers doing blogging at 4:47 in the morning.
man, we are all so anxious, this GW dickheads fault. i hated reagan, but i didn't vote for him, or against him. earlier today i posted pictures of goebells(sp). i feel bad about that, but it's reality man. it just is.
i've said it so many time before, i hate repeating it. but this is a crisis. i have never been one of those "proud to be an american types" yet i smoke marlboros and drink budweieser (which by the way are hosting the debates, ie anheueser busch) so i am an amrerican, god dammit. but i have always been glad i was born in this country. not any more, the more i fear for democracy, the more i love america. i could never imagine myself writing such maudlin shit. which tells me it's true.
in the end it comes down to revolution or move, because i am determined i will not live under the dictates of what skallas asserts above, and he is right.
i predict both, mass immigration of america's best and brightest, and revolution if bush is reselected. i know those are my options.
I caught this at the time, and then watching it again I remembered: Bush was naming off the "Coalition" members, said "Blair, Berlusconi, and whats-is-Polish-name", and then said, "That's 30 countries." So, lemme get this straight: 1+1+1=30? What a genius.
I've been trying to watch these debates through the eyes of an undecided (I practically have to give myself a lobotomy with a butter knife in order to do so)and I think our man Big John clearly won tonight. The other guy behaved strangely again, and was not one iota more presidential than he appeared last time, whereas Kerry was every bit and more. The overall vibe was that of an obvious leader vs. a desperate, yammering bully.
It's worth remembering that W's father, Bush 41, was on Haldol — which apparently caused his vomiting in the Japanese Prime Minister's lap.
And one possible side-effect of Haldol use is... tardive dyskinesia.
This poll needs help El Paso Times
Click on "Rate Bush and Kerry in the Debate"
I was very impressed with John Kerry. He was calm and collected. He remembered the names of the people asking the questions. And he was respectful of those who (obviously) were not going to vote for him or had very different views.
Kerry looked like he could do the job.
Not much to say about President Bush--he was a bit whiney, and sounded despirate and unconnected.
Someone, anyone; What to make of Josh Marshall? Debate a draw?
I was very impressed with John Kerry. He was calm and collected. He remembered the names of the people asking the questions. And he was respectful of those who (obviously) were not going to vote for him or had very different views.
Kerry looked like he could do the job.
Not much to say about President Bush--he was a bit whiney, and sounded despirate and unconnected.
Hey, Gordo...fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son.
Over at Slate, Saleton is off his nut. He's micro-analyzing wonky substantive gaps he perceives that were made by Kerry and totally missing the point. THIS WAS A TOWN HALL (albeit a contrived, de-balled one) and it was all about style. Kerry projected confidence, intelligence and a firm grasp of factual information. Bush was petulant, angry and peevish... you could see him stifling his frustration and then bursting out with some odd, bizarre reactions.
Urgh. The spin zone is a horrid place absent of the truth.
I thought that little chuckle Bush made as he said he wanted to stay on the good side of the Supreme Court, "cause I want em to vote for me", says a LOT about the man. Rubbing people's faces in what yr rich daddy's friends can do for you is kind of sick when you're talking about electing a president.
Raven-what is haldol for?
Who gives a flying fuck about Josh Marshall
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I need to get a video copy of last nites debate. Unfortunately. every place I've tried uses the Real Player media. When I get directed to the site for the free download, they want my credit card number. Hell, I have 2 media players already, so why do I need a third?
If anyone knows of a site that I can use the on-board Windows Media Player to view the debate, please speak up.
Thanks
regards from the edge of the point of no return.
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did bush know the questions ahead of time?
from the transcript:
PRESIDENT BUSH: Well, we'll talk about the tax cut for middle class here in a minute, but yeah, I'm worried.
Well, we'll talk about the tax cut for middle class here in a minute, but yeah, I'm worried.
I noticed that too, and had a moment of, "does he know the questions?"
But he knew domestic issues were coming up soon, and even he isn't stupid enough not to know that tax cuts and the middle class would be central.
Not even he is that stupid. Score one for Bush! Plus he knows Osama attacked us!
I sensed that the audience was frightened of Bush, or of what he was saying. He has never received treatment for his alcoholism and I think that half of the country and most of the press are his enablers.
"The most delicate eggshells of all have been those walked on by the members of the press. Throughout Bush's first term, the news media have followed a "don't ask, don't ask" policy, treading carefully and lightly around Bush's alcoholism-as evinced by their handling of the DUI revelation-and avoiding any tough question that might sound like a confrontation. Whether they fear that pressing too hard might send him off on a bender, provoke a tantrum, or simply get them excommunicated from further access, the nation's press has maintained a distance similar to what a child would accord an alcoholic father whom direct questioning might push over the edge into collapse or retaliation. Whatever its impetus, their silence rings loudest and clearest of all, like the stubborn denial of the family's most outspoken child; it doesn't prevent anyone else from speaking up, but it doesn't encourage it either."
Dr. Justin Frank from --Bush On A Couch
It seemed to me that his meglomaniacal treatment of JFK was profound. It's like we are witnessing the insanities of King George, before the American Revolution and as much as we banter here and the tiny bit in the press, there is an elephant in our living room, or in other words, THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS FUCKING CRAZY.
THE FUCKING PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS FUCKING CRAZY
i feel better now but please somebody, get the elephant out of our living room. (how ironic-an elephant)
Does anyone know what the tv ratings for the debate were? Because I didn't even know a debate was on. I thought I was a reasonably politically-committed person before this. In some way, I kind of hope that the ratings aren't too big so that most people will continue to go on Bush's self smackdown in the first debate. And isn't that what usually happens, like when does a candidate recover from a negative first impression, sadly, like in life, maybe. Nixon didn't, Gore didn't, I don't know who else. It seems impossible to recover from severe damage. I just can't imagine that there's usually any buzz or anticipation for any of the debates after the first, because that's too much helpings of politicasse than is often portioned out or their is interest and patience for.
Well, anon, it was a freaking sideshow if you missed it. You know you can catch it on C-span stream. I've seen it twice already.
Had a great time last night... was part of group of Kerry supporters giving Kerry an enthusiastic send-off as his motorcade left and then saw him afterwards at a post-debate rally. There were scores of people!
My fav debate moments were W saying "internets" and fighting Charlie!
wingnuts are hammering this poll:
http://www.foxnews.com/
it needs some attention
One of the biggest moments that I haven't seen mentioned is when Bush said "I'm trying to decipher that" (or summat) after Kerry gave the answer to the woman asking about abortion.
Kerry had just said that he has his own beliefs about certain matters, but as president he would have to represent and stand for the beliefs of everyone (including atheists, yay!), just like it says in the constitution.
Bush didn't even get it.
We gotta make ABC's The Note ashamed of this garbage:
"KERRY REBUTTAL: "I've never changed my mind about Iraq. I believed Saddam Hussein was a threat... But I would have used that force wisely... Not rushed to war without a plan to win the peace."
THEN KERRY SAYS IRAQ WASN'T A THREAT: Says situation has gotten worse in Iran while Bush was "pre-occupied with Iraq where there wasn't a threat.""
It's obvious that in the second statement Kerry is talking about Iran's nuclear program, and referring to the absence of an Iraqi nuclear threat, and in the first statement, he's saying that in an overall sense, Saddam was a threat.
politicalunit@abcnews.com is the address. E-mail them until they blush. Yes, I still think people at ABC can blush.
The real crime of our media is they won't talk about our looming bankruptcy.
This is why Bush can be "proud" of his tax cuts and why Kerry can't talk about the fatal tidal wave of red ink we are spilling.
This is beyond serious, now. We have descended into begging Communist China to bankroll our debts and so we reached our debt ceiling of 7.4 trillion and even if Congress votes to raise it, we have to peddle the increasing debt to someone and that someones are Japan and China, both of which do this ONLY to keep our trade deficit roaring along, this deficit is even more dangerous than the government red ink in the long run.
But we can't talk about this because too many rich Americans are this way precisely because of these twin red ink flows. They think, this can hemmorage forever and they will remain billionaires or even more! Trillionaires. And who cares if America spirals down the drain? They plan to leave, anyway.
I thought his pauses for laughter after his little "jokes" were kind of funny in a pathetic sort of way. He is so used to hand picked audiences that he just can't perform in front of anybody else
george bush cannot speak english.
A TalkLeft commentator wrote this.
Can someone verify?
Does anyone have a copy of the debate with a good shot of bush at 39 min, 40 sec. My friend and I think that Bush says “fuck” under his breath while Kerry says that Bush said “I think that makes sense, I think that’s a good idea.”
I also love when he asks if he’s out of timeyet.
I think Bush turned off women voters (and I heard a commentator on CNN saying this, although he was putting it that Bush's performance would appeal mainly to men.) Women just don't like to be shouted at, and they don't like angry. I was afraid in this format Bush would play his awshucks home boy side. Instead he just looked angry. That's red meat to his male hard core base, but not with the female swing voter.
i wonder what the invisible cloud being would think of this rather unchristian behavior by preznit halo?
msnbc tried to spin that it was a good thing.
In other words, "Thanks for raising your voice at one of us."
Why does the media hate itself so much?
Jeeze, that NYT editorial. Were they playing a drinking game when they watched it?
My impressions going in were that Bush was down in "likeability" against Kerry by 5 points, and I'd heard that Bush was going to go "on the offensive."
To me, it all played out as that would suggest.
Bush's idea of "going on the offensive" means to be offensive in his posture, demeanor, attitude. He did that handily.
I mean, AL Gore sighed four years ago. Let us compare that to Bush's impressive array of facial contortions from the first debate. Add in the fact that he charged the moderator and demanded time...
Once again, shall we say, rather less than presidential.
Bush, on Gibson: "Fuck him. I'm taking him out."
Now, the Lump can suck cock with the best,
But the Chimpster said, "Give it a rest.
The Lord's made it known
That I shouldn't be blown.
I must seek out some goats to molest."
This is all about who keeps the power. The pundits, and the media "scorekeepers" just can't come out and say how much more presidential Kerry is. If they do their game is over. There's no horserace. They have to keep banging away about how "Kerry just held the line" 'cause if they don't they concede power to the people they are supposed to answer to. They "have" to control the news cycle or their very existence is irrelavant. The internet is changing the news cycle (thank-you very much) and "they" just can't deal with it. .....Oh and about Josh Marshall....he just wants to be one of the "big boys." You can see it in every post almost. It's kind of pathetic, 'cause I don't think "they'll" ever let him into the "club" 'cause he's one of "those internet people, doncha' know?"
Bush was on a drug!
Just because something is deemed a 'threat' does NOT mean unilateral war and occupation are necessary. How stupid are people. They call Kerry inconsistent and then the conversation turns to N. Korea, Iran etc. where there is debate about what to do about 'threats' and how to handle them where neither side is speaking of unilateral war. To call Kerry inconsistent on this is mind boggling. The rhetoric that Kerry and Clinton used regarding Hussein was designed to KEEP THE NO FLY ZONES and sanctions in place.(the rhetoric bush sites as agreeing with him.) Unilateral war was never really on the table. In a sane world a real debate would have been between No fly and sanctions versus lifting the sanctions outright.
Do we really want to think about the twitching index finger attached to that hair-trigger temper hovering nervously over the big red nuke button in the Presidential War Room?
Begala or Carville should run this clip, as is, without comment, all week long next week on ``Crossfire.''
Every day.
Same clip.
No comment.
And what did Bush call his good chum Silvio Berlusconi?
Serbio? Servio?
I love the smell of moronic brownshirt fucks crapping in their pants.
It smells like - victory!
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No, it still smells like shit, it just makes you think of victory.
Maybe that's the key for Kerry to sweep Bush out with the trash...pose the nuclear question to the audiances.
Do you trust this man with his finger poised over the button that can launch the world's largest and viable nuclear arsenal on a hunch or whim?
regards from the edge of the point of no return.
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What network station is Charlie Gibson on?
regards from the edge of the point of no return
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Why doesn't Bush pay a political price for the kind of behavior he showed last night? If Kerry had dissed Charley Gibson that way we would never hear the end of it: "bad manners! Shocking disrespect! Not Presidential!" Andrea Mitchell would have a cow. Yet Bush is given a pass.
And here's what is actually happening in Afghanistan, the nation that Bush trots out to prove his success in sprrrdin demmmocrrrcy and so forth:
All 15 candidates running against interim Afghan leader Hamid Karzai have signed an agreement boycotting the vote because of what they say is widespread fraud.
The candidates said they would not recognise the election results.
Morning Wood -- The Debate in Pictures
---The SCLM are discussing the debating skills of a president whose handpicked CIA director just got slapped down for selecting a convicted shoplifter to be his third in command.
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Ohmigod, I didn't even know Winona Ryder was IN the CIA!
I can certainly see why Bush would like it; if all his opponents quit in protest , it'd be so much easier than last time, when they had to stage the boozhie riot and all that.
He'd love a protest boycott. To him, that just means everyone's a bunch a quitters, right?
Nothing like blogwhoring early in the morning, attaturk?
We have to hammer on the Afghanistan vote fraud. Both Chimpy and Darth made such big deals out of it, and it's all going to hell.
Nothing like blogwhoring early in the morning, attaturk?
Not with morning wood.
filkertom--yes, we do. And it is just there for us to take and use. The link I ju st posted shows it for the sham it truly is. We're spreading something, but it ain't democracy.
Morals: why do Christians think gluttony is not one of the seven deadly sins?
For that matter, rage?
Seems that in their hurry to use Christianity for morals, they forgot quite a few things.
Too much information.
Oh, and you know that evil, corrupt oil for food UN program for Iraq? It made a number of US oil companies a pretty penny.
Just so you know.
Attaturk, wish you'd posted that blue balloon picture again with your 'morning wood'!
Once again, stellar!
Despite a roomful of Chimpster shills,
John Kerry provided the thrills.
Chimpy tried to make sense,
And in his defense,
He didn't shit out a pile of blue pills.
I read the debates, so the only thing I've seen is the link to Oliver's excerpt. Amazing.
But it was calculated on Bush's part. He's playing the role of the cowboy who won't be bound by them city rules. His base likes that.
Attaturk, wish you'd posted that blue balloon picture again with your 'morning wood'!
Phredd, that's a great idea. I'm doing that and attributing you!
And on that note, I am to bed.
Lime Rickey--there is a thing called meter...look into it!
Here'e to a grand Nov 3!
Nice:
"And the president was utterly incoherent when asked about whom he might name to the Supreme Court in a second term. His comment about how he didn't want to offend any judges because he wanted "them all voting for me" was a joke - but an unfortunate one, given the fact that the president owes his job to a Supreme Court vote."
NYT Editorial. Most of which have been fun reads lately, all shrill and whatnot
Bush-Cheney 04: "utterly incoherant"
When Bush shouted down the moderator, my draw absolutely dropped to the floor. "He just lost any chance of winning the election," I thought.
OT: Sinclair Group to Broadcast Anti-Kerry show in primetime
http://tinyurl.com/5p35s
You know what to do.
hey don't forget to go to cnn.com and grade the candidates' performance
Make Novakula cry!
The Boston Globule has it that Chimpy's anger was rehearsed. It's supposedly part of the whole tough guy image crafting. Personally, I find the guy totally repulsive but supposedly there's a dueling esthetic out there. Yuck.
Oh, the little pissant did better last night - as far as being able to walk and talk at the same time goes. But he's still Bush and that's all we're ever going to get with him. There isn't any more.
I loved it that Big John kept naming Repugs who agree with him. Like I said yesterday, the GOP moderates and deficit hawks are all voting for Kerry. And he's actively courting them - which is brilliant. But when Kerry really got going last night, man was he talking like a good old-fashioned liberal.
And anyone who is still claiming to be "undecided" is smoking crack.
That was Jr. reliving Poppy's moment with Dan Rather.
And all it did was make him look petulant, and open the door for Kerry to point out that Missouri has more soldiers in Iraq than anyone outside the U.S. and Britain. Which was an absolutely brilliant repost.
And it also underscored that Bush was all but screaming his insistence that he was right. When Bush has no other response, which seems to be often now, he screams.
Not exactly an inspiring behavior in a President.
Let's keep pushing this "Bush is too angry to be President" theme. Example of the kind of message that should be pushed in comments, letters to the editor, friends, co-workers, etc:
I couldn't believe it when Bush flipped out in last night's debate!
This guy needs anger management classes BADLY.
Do we really want a President who can't control his temper? This is two debates in a row that Bush wigged out.
This is the man with his finger on the button.
The fact that the Republicans control the media (and it is NOT about wanting a horserace for their ratings-- it is manipulation on behalf of special interests) makes the Democrats look weak.
Kerry and Edwards gave the media everything they asked for in the Senate. And while it payed off for them in campaign contributions, it did not pay off for our country or for the Democratic Party.
'The Suicide of an Iraq War Veteran
Another Casualty of Bush's War'
By MARK CLINTON and TONY UDELL
Jeffrey Lucey is not a name that will not soon be
forgotten by the more than 100 people who attended a
memorial service for him at Holyoke Community College
(HCC) in Western Massachusetts. Lucey, a Marine
veteran of the Iraq war and a student at the college,
committed suicide on June 22. He was 23.
As his father Kevin said at the memorial, Jeff's
death, while not officially listed as such, is another
casualty showing the human costs of the war. Lucey
joined the Marine Reserves at 18 because, as his
parents told Amy Goodman of the left-wing radio
program Democracy Now! he wanted to get the training
and earn money for college.
He was called to active duty with the 6th Motor
Transport Battalion in early 2003. By February, he was
in Kuwait. One day after he celebrated his 22nd
birthday, the invasion of Iraq began. Trained as a
clerical specialist, he was reassigned to serve as a
driver.
On April 18, 2003, Jeff wrote to Julianne Proulx, his
girlfriend since 1997, that he had done "immoral
things." On his return to his parents' home in July,
however, he had seemed normal, and everyone was too
happy to see him to suspect that something was
terribly wrong. With those who knew him less
intimately, Jeff maintained the facade of the good
Marine until the very end.
Things really began to fall apart on Christmas Eve.
While drunk, Lucey took two handmade Iraqi dog tags
from around his neck, threw them at his younger
sister, and told her that he felt like a murderer.
He never did tell his family the whole story of his
experience in Iraq, only bits and pieces. It was
horrific enough. He spoke of elderly people killed as
they tried to run from Marines rolling into Nasariya.
He spoke of a small Iraqi boy, bloody and prone in the
dusty street, shot in the head and the chest and still
holding a small, bloodstained American flag in his
hands. He spoke of his horror as an American tank
lumbered down the street, how he had bolted from his
own vehicle and, as gunfire rippled the sand around
him, moved the tiny corpse to the sad sanctuary of a
nearby alley.
He spoke of how he had been ordered to shoot two Iraqi
prisoners. He remembered how he had looked into their
eyes and hesitated, watching as they shook in terror,
and thinking of their families. He remembered that an
officer had shouted, "Pull the fucking trigger,
Lucey!" He remembered shooting the soldiers and
watching them die. He told his father that there were
"other things" he did not want the family to know
about.
For its part, the Marines dismissed Lucey's allegation
that he had been ordered to shoot Iraqi prisoners as
"without merit"--but didn't offer an explanation of
how that conclusion was reached. Marine spokesperson
Capt. Pat Kerr, however, has confirmed that Lucey's
battalion was engaged in transporting prisoners o
When Bush shouted down the moderator, my draw absolutely dropped to the floor. "He just lost any chance of winning the election," I thought.
He was playing to his base.
But the people in the room were clearly unmoved. That's not the way to inspire a St. Louis audience. They are conservative, but they don't care for that kind of belligerence. And yeah, from the comments on Kos and elswhere this morning, that may be the moment everyone ends up talking about. And not in the way Bush intended.
My hope is they also remember his refusal to acknowledge he could ever make a mistake. A little sensible humility in a President is a good thing. It's why people still like Clinton. Kerry was in a spot, responding to that. Should have been put to him, too, so he could do the humble bit and underscore how brittle and shallow Dubya is.
That, would have clinched it for Kerry. Still, I think Kerry is sewing it up now.
Bush is toast. Powdered toast.
I thought Kerry won, but that he was a little off his game last night. Would have liked to see a bit more passion and humor. However, no question he's better informed, smarter, and more human. It's good that he kept saying he has a plan for each issue, but he shouldn't say it so much that it becomes something folks can parody. Please tell me after all the money I've sent that man that he didn't really say he favors faith-based initiatives. Please.
Bush still has nothing but sound bites. I thought he completely blew the last question about his mistakes, and you'd think that Auntie Karen would have given him an answer to that one in case someone ever asked him again. I hate the way he yells at us and acts exasperated that anyone dares to question him.
The rudeness to Gibson was bizzare. So much for the moderators enforcing the rules. I think Bush started asking for extra rebuttal on the first or second question.
Honestly, while I haven't been to the transcript to look at the exact language, I thought his answer about western forests was his worst. Forest fires aren't caused by bad federal policy. They're caused by nature and actually serve an important purpose. The reason they are a problem is because we've overpopulated the planet and moved into areas that should have been left alone.
The questions about his medication make his refusal to take a physical even more important. Can't we push this over the next few days?
Chimpy's manners are uncouth
time to yell from the top of each roof
"The American people
are smart enough to know
Bush has already been buried by the truth."
Well, maybe my wish will be answered. From the NYT lead editorial:
One of the uncommitted voters in the audience sensibly asked President Bush to name three mistakes he'd made in office, and what he had done to remedy the damage. Mr. Bush declined to list even one, and instead launched into an impassioned defense of the invasion of Iraq as a good idea. The president's insistence on defending his decision to go into Iraq seemed increasingly bizarre in a week when his own investigators reported that there were no weapons of mass destruction there, and when his own secretary of defense acknowledged that there was no serious evidence of a connection between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda.
Let there be a pile-on.
Charlie Gibson is hardly the reincarnation of I.F. Stone -- I don't think most viewers cottoned to Bush's shouting him down like that.
meter is very important when attempting limericks... don't try it at home! Leave it up to the stunt professionals
Did it seem to anyone else that Bush was reading from a teleprompter? He was pretty quick with the (non)answers, didn't stumble as usual AND...He kept looking out in far left field.
Which candidate made the best case for his domestic agenda?
3.8%
Bush (3295 responses)
96.2%
Kerry (82754 responses)
86049 total responses
Which candidate was most successful in projecting the image of being a strong leader?
4.0%
Bush (3441 responses)
96.0%
Kerry (82291 responses)
85732 total responses
Which candidate was just plain more likable?
4.7%
Bush (4008 responses)
95.3%
Kerry (81202 responses)
85210 total responses
Which candidate benefited the most from this debate?
5.2%
Bush (4473 responses)
94.8%
Kerry
From the Sun-Sentinal
and it is NOT about wanting a horserace for their ratings-- it is manipulation on behalf of special interests
Oh, it's not the ratings....it's the power.
No teleprompter but he may have been wired a la Peter Popoff (via thismodernworld).
Magnum: So right...the moment Kerry finished his answer on abortion, my 15 year-old daughter remarked "good answer" a second before Bush said he was still trying to decipher it. I figure many in the audience there and at home also completely understood Kerry's answer (even if they didn't agree with him), and here's W telling the world that he didn't get it.
Bush is a rude, arrogant little pustule who is used to being able to bully people. I'd be curious to see how his little tantrum played with his supporters. To me it seemed desparate and immature, like a 13 year old arguing with his dad.
Yoshimi - I try not to indulge my inner tinfoil hat wearer, but last night convinced me that George is getting answers fed to him. He started to answer most questions very slowly and haltingly and then he'd pause and then a stream of rapid-fire points would come out of his mouth.
Something was going on...
I have no idea if what I am going to say has already been mentioned so sorry if this is a repeat.
The anger-filled, unglued, unhinged tirade that Mr. Bush unleashed on Mr. Gibson (as well as any person asking a question Junior didn't like) was quite alarming. Simply put,Junior blew a head gasket over a simple question. Big Mistake! Plus, how many times after answering a question did he glare at JFK who ignored him and this seem to anger him even more.
Now contrast this belligerent and boorish behavior at the debate to the deer in the headlights inaction for at least 7 minutes in that Florida classroom on 9/11. This emotionally inept reaction was despicable due to the fact he was told that the Nation was under attack! Not only that he still did nothing while he posed for photos afterward. Amazing.
Both of these bizarre and extreme reactions by the President of the United States proves that he is clearly unfit for command.
Someone needs to do a commercial highlighting these two distinct extreme behavioral reactions.
FREEP THIS FOX POLL - KERRY NEEDS HELP!
http://www.foxnews.com/
Night and day, we heard the "Dean Scream."
Why conceal W's "Spastic Routine"?
They should play it nonstop,
And like a hygienic mop,
It will clean out this fucking regime.
What about John Marshall -- I don't want to judge his intentions, but he is still a media whore. Maybe it is because he is part of a larger, corrupt system; maybe he just loves the attention he gets by playing the "insiders" game (just look at the photo on his frontpage -- isn't that special). Perhaps he is a fool. Maybe he just defines a debate "WIN" as being louder and more forceful, regardless of facts. The best answer to the question, "What's up John Marshall's ass? might be that "John Marshall just IS!"
KERRY IS THE BEST DEMOCRAT TO RUN FOR OFFICE IN 30 YEARS.
I am listening to Cspan callers this morning. I cannot understand those folks who say they are undecided and then proceed to tear Bush down. The evidence is absolute, the president is not effective, has reversed many positive trends and has nothing to bring to the table. How can they say they are undecided?
...wired a la Peter Popoff and John Belushi.
Michael Tomasky of TAP has a good analysis of Bush's behavior last night, and how it played to women, here.
Rising to defend JMM--
What Marshall says is, the debate was a draw. And clearly, it was not the knock-out that the first debate was.
But JMM goes on to say that means Kerry won, because Bush didn't steal back the momentum. The NYT lead editorial notes much the same thing: Kerry has the momentum now, and that's not a good thing for Bush.
More and more, glancing around the 'net this morning, I think Kerry is winning the pundit-momentum, and the voter momentum.
And Bush is on the back edge. Look for him to flail even worse than he did last night. Expect more moments in the third debate when he attacks the moderator to make his point.
Bush is being pushed into the corner. This will not help him.
With all those interets out there, it is entirely conceivable that Al Gore could have invented at least ONE of them!!
The shouting and yelling at the moderator might have just been to prepare us for the bullying and angry responses that are going to come from the Whitehouse after Bush STEALS ANOTHER FRAUDULENT ELECTION! Perhaps he know that the undecided voters are not who is really going to decide this election. I hope I am wrong, but nothing will surprise me now!
WAAAAH!! My puter won't load the tantrum...can somebody give me a blow by blow on what the Chimp did?
Bush will have three weeks after these debates end to manipulate the media any way he wishes.
didn't you like it when bush said "that's not what the constitution says, the constitution says......" we won't get fooled again! man that was funny, dipshit hasn't ever read the damn thing.
He was about to quote the "all men are created equal" line which was from the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution.
Reagan never charged at Sam Donaldson.
Clinton never confronted Rush Limbaugh.
Bush and his allies would rather bully than finesse.
ZuZu, here's the transcript. I don't recall exactly how long the crosstalk lasted, but it was rather amusing.
GIBSON: Mr. President, let's extend for a minute...
BUSH: Let me just -- I've got to answer this.
GIBSON: Exactly. And with Reservists being held on duty...
(CROSSTALK)
BUSH: Let me answer what he just said, about around the world.
GIBSON: Well, I want to get into the issue of the back-door draft...
BUSH: You tell Tony Blair we're going alone. Tell Tony Blair we're going alone. Tell Silvio Berlusconi we're going alone. Tell Aleksander Kwasniewski of Poland we're going alone.
Robert M Jeffers - you're right. Last night was not a stunning victory for either Bush or Kerry. And just because that was so, it means that Kerry still have the momentum and that Bush is still on the ropes. Furthermore, Bush was the one who charged the moderator, struggled for composure and yelled throughout. Kerry was Kerry - calm, resolute, clear-eyed (and Bush was very wild-eyed; I'd love to know what he was on last night), and very presidential. I thought when Kerry a couple of times looked at the audience and said: "Ladies and Gentlemen, I want to work for your interests," he brought the audience to him.
I also now believe that Bush is getting fed answers. Repeatedly last night, Bush would start to answer a question very very slowly and haltingly - as if stalling - and then a rapid stream of talking points would all but fall out of his mouth.
The little pissant is wired. I really do believe that.
Bush is unhinged. Seriously. Unhinged.
Last night would have been harder for Bush to do wired. First, people were looking for it and I, watching CSpan didn't see any bulges. Second, he was closer to the audience and sometimes turned his back to them (to walk back to his stool), while at the first debate the rules were supposed to prevent views of him from behind.
But I'm becoming increasinly convinced that he was wired for the first debate. And has been throughout much of his presidency. Where on earth is our press? This should not have been on page 27 of the WaPo -- it, along with his refusal to take his physical, should be front and center.
Bush is unhinged. Seriously. Unhinged.
I think Bush's interrupting Gibson with his rant was a rehearsed moment. He was attempting to have a Reagan "give me this microphone" moment and it back-fired. I think the next 48 hours will prove that this will be the defining moment of the debate - the president is "unhinged" - and erase any debating points he may have scored.
when i watched this, i was talking with my ex on the phone about both men's performance - and then the meltdown happened. we were both shocked to see his behavior finally be "real" in front of potentially millions of voters.
but after the debate, from the spin assholes, nothing. not a word. not even a replay of what was clearly the most unhinged portion of the event.
it makes you wonder - are the wingnuts just ready for bush to pick up a gun and start firing against his rivals? have we gone that far, that aberrant behavior is lauded as "standing up for what you believe" instead of what it is - aberrant behavior?
to me, that meltdown should be shown in ads over and over again. if it's red meat to his base, so be it - they're lost anyway. but as noted above, women won't like it, nor will thinking people.
over and over, show it again! "LET ME FINISH!"
Can the Amazing Randi get some equipment into the next debate the way he did with that phony faith healer? It would be so interesting to hear someone giving little Bush the answers.
I'll bet it's how he got through Andover and Yale, probably well practiced with it.
Not wired, Hecate? See "Bush's Bulges" @ thismodernworld.
EVERYBODY !
PLEASE WE MUST ALL DO THIS !
Last night, it was obvious that Kerry completly, but I mean completly dominated Bush in the debate. Kerry did not lose a single exchange from start to finish, yet the punditry called it either a tie or a moderate win for Kerry. This is simply outrageous ! It is outrageous because every single one of these pundits, despite their political leanings, know Kerry won with flying colors. The explanations for this phenomenon are numerous : desire to appear fair and balance, interest of the media in having a close race, in deference to the presidency etc.
THIS IS SCANDALOUS.
WE MUST ALL WRITE TO NEWSPAPERS, CALL THE RADIO STATIONS ETC. TO ASK WHY THE PUNDITRY IS NOT BEING HONEST. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT. CAN YOU IMAGINE HOW LUCKY THE REPUBLICANS ARE ? THEIR PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE WAS OUTCLASSED AND YET THE MEDIA CALL IT A TIE OR A MINOR WIN FOR KERRY. WE CANNOT LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT !
Do as much as you can before the third debate ! Talk to your friends, neighbors, tell them to read the debate transcripts etc. and don't give the media a free ride !
From the LA Times:
http://www.latimes.com/business/
la-na-sinclair9oct09,1,4817545.story?
coll=la-home-headlines
THE NATION
Conservative TV Group to Air Anti-Kerry Film
Sinclair, with reach into many of the nation's homes, will preempt prime-time shows. Experts call the move highly unusual.
By Elizabeth Jensen, Times Staff Writer
NEW YORK — The conservative-leaning Sinclair Broadcast Group, whose television outlets reach nearly
a quarter of the nation's homes with TV,
is ordering its stations to preempt regular programming just days before the Nov.
2 election to air a film that attacks Sen. John F. Kerry's activism against the Vietnam War, network and station executives familiar with the plan said Friday.
Don't you just love it when someone like "Richie Rich" Bush tries to act like a bad ass?
A WHOIS of Gordon the Cocklicker's dogsnot.net domain suggests that whoever pays for the DNS lives at
23 Preble St
Gorham, ME 04038
You're not as anonymous on the internet as you might think, asshole. Consider that the next time you call an Atrios regular a cunt.
Tena, I think I'd like to believe Bush is wired (and my tinfoil hat is nodding at me, from the little Faraday cage I've been storing it in), because that means the bush campaign has no actual brains behind it. (Hi, Karl!) That wire would have an idiot on both ends, if what we're seeing is any indication. I just can't see it, though. Way too risky, if it were uncovered. That bulge? Nah. Wires just aren't that big & bulky anymore, unless you shop at Radio Shack. I think they could afford better than that. And the confusion we think we see, that might be the result of voices in his haid? I think that would be a very real concern, and If I were rove, I'd veto it on those grounds.
Still a fun idea, though, and I'd love to be wrong...
Last!!!
Might as well make it official.
Digby nails it:
America's Ex-husband
Angry, hectoring, condescending and loud. Very loud. He yelled at John Kerry, he yelled at Charlie Gibson, he even yelled at at the questioners. He yelled in short, punctuated bursts. He looked like he wanted to walk up to a couple of the questioners and jab a finger in their chests as he lectured them like children.
He's the dad who is always mad. Surly, unpredictable, spoiled. You know the type. "I'm the commander in chief, see. I don't need to explain ... Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody an explanation."
Last night, the only mistake he admitted to making was appointing some unnamed officials at whom he was obviously peeved.
This is a man who treats women like servants and men like lackeys. And last night he angrily yelled at America as if we were his long suffering, abused wife.
I think it's time for divorce.
Gordon, if you hadn't noticed, this is a forum for debate, not for you to drop a rhetorical load and run. You could have had your pick of people to whom you could respond, but instead you posted a link to some polls and ran.
Figures. You're just the type of wannabe bully who trolls on the message boards of the blogs: cowardly, when it comes to real debate.
And I don't mean a screaming match on either side. I mean real engagement. Make a point, hear the other person's response, show that you understood, respond in turn. Respectful, diligent, thoughtful, and ultimately enlightening. And you can't do it.
Again, I hope that stipend check from the RNC is in the mail, or else you're a world class chump.
bush reminded me of the priest who abused young boys in seminary...and America is the church in denial...
The site link for this video is no longer accessible. I'm hoping that it's only temporary. Anyway, does anyone have an alternative site, or a copy of it? We need to spread this as much as possible this weekend.
For just how deceiptful the media is in reporting the debate polls, check out this series of pictures I've taken exposing media fraud:
http://novogate.com/exco/thread....&
threadid=71917
We must get pictures like these out to the mainstream. We must expose the lies of the press.
well, i've been surveying the tube, and i cannot find a network that cares to air the bush outburst[s].
how is it that bush has all their peckers in his pocket?
You're not as anonymous on the internet as you might think, asshole.
I think you mean internets...
I feel like a crazy person suggesting this - but after the boxy bulge Bush had last week, I had my eye out during the debate last night. Obviously it's a trickier format for wearing some kind of device under a jacket...did anyone else notice his extra-long tie, the way it kept bunching up over his jacket? As if something was pushing it up? I noticed this, and if you look at any side-angle pictures of him last night, his suit is pushing out, like there's something under there. And it certainly wasn't of the flight-suit type. I might be crazy, but really, he was wearing a device again, just very carefully positioned around his waist.
After volunteering as a student at Wash U in St Louis I was able to get one of the last seats and watch this live. This moment was the most memorable, there was a collective gasp from the crowd as the president really behaved so much like a child. I thought this would be all over the cable news shows... Was it?
Hi, here is a mirror of Bush flipping out... scary. link
"unconceivable to them until Cross finally nailed the point.--Silleigh"
Er, Cross nailing the point? 'Unconceivable' ?
I see a trip to Rome in your future.
--
When JK answered the question about tax dollars for abortion, he did a really lovely gesture.
He was saying he's a Catholic, it's important to him, he respects her point of view, etc., and he's looking her right in the eye, with his hand on his heart, and he very slightly bows while he talks directly to her.
Looks her in the eye, hand on heart, bows to her, talks directly to her. That's a man who treats people who disagree with him with respect. And that calls those people to respect him in return.
Alternative explanation for the Gibson shout-down: Bush decided this was a good opportunity for a Reagan Moment. Remember in New Hampshire in 1980 when Ronald McReagan shouted down his debate moderator saying, "Listen, I PAID for this microphone"? That was seen as the turning point in his quest for the White House.
I think McShrub may have been looking for such an opportunity and decided his pre-packaged riposte would be good to insert here. He may even have thought his demeanor expressed conviction and righteous indignation, despite looking merely rude and pissy.
Or maybe his ear started to respond so he automatically jumped in even though he was completely out of line. Gosh, there are so many different theories about why and how Bush is an inadequate human being; I think I need an index.
Alternative explanation: They had him on amphetamines to improve his performance.
Last debate he could not think of enough to say to fill up his 2 minutes - this time he could not stop talking - or to start talking again.
If he watch him closely he kept clenching his jaw - a symptom of amphetamine use.
Other sypmtons:
- feeling of euphoria
- enhanced self confidence
- hightened alertness
- greater energy
- hyperactove, talkative, excited, irritable, restless.
all displayed by bush in 2nd debate -
am I the only one who noticed this ???
(http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/other/
alc_c10.htm#alcohol%20hbk%20ch10%20EFFECTS%20OF%
20AMPHETAMINE%20USE_
Alternative explanation: They had him on amphetamines to improve his performance.
Last debate he could not think of enough to say to fill up his 2 minutes - this time he could not stop talking - or to start talking again.
If he watch him closely he kept clenching his jaw - a symptom of amphetamine use.
Other sypmtons:
- feeling of euphoria
- enhanced self confidence
- hightened alertness
- greater energy
- hyperactove, talkative, excited, irritable, restless.
all displayed by bush in 2nd debate -
am I the only one who noticed this ???
(http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/other/
alc_c10.htm#alcohol%20hbk%20ch10%20EFFECTS%20OF%
20AMPHETAMINE%20USE_
Gore Lawsuit Challenges Australian Election Results
(2004-10-09) -- Just hours after the polls closed across Australia, and Prime Minister John Howard headed for his fourth term, former U.S. Vice President Al Gore filed a lawsuit in international court at the Hague alleging "irregularities" in the balloting.
The election was seen by many as a referendum on Australia's participation in Operation Iraqi Freedom and the subsequent efforts to bring democracy to Iraq. Mr. Howard's opponent, Mark Latham, had promised to withdraw Australian troops from the Coalition.
"Somebody was disenfranchised or coerced down under," said Mr. Gore, now an itinerant professor. "John Howard betrayed his country. He played on their fears. There's no way they could have re-elected him legally. We'll fight this result all the way to the U.N. Security Council if need be."
Democrat presidential contender John Forbes Kerry expressed displeasure at the Australian election outcome.
"This is the wrong election result, in the wrong place at the wrong time," Mr. Kerry said. "Think of the precedent this sets."
A movie theater next to an Afghan restaurant in the Little Kabul area of Fremont, Calif., displays a sign thanking President Bush for the elections in Afghanistan.
On Josh Marshall, I hear you.
What to make of it? "The god of
political analysis" must have
a very different perception of
Kerry than I do.
I agreed with the polls in the
beginning that were reading
11% Bush
80% Kerry.
Bush was awful. Of course Kerry
missed a lot of chances to zing
him but there were so many. How
could he defend against the
RNC smears, Bush's debate lies,
give some idea of his plans
and respond to town hall questions
all in one debate?
Folks, if you play this video again, you'd see that rectangular patch on W's back. Just pause when W started to turn away from Gibson, and said, "You tell Tony Blair we're going it alone!" There it is a 3x6 patch.
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