I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Fristula!
Kerry has to directly ask the American people -- will they let Bush run from his record? Write to the editors:
This debate again made the choice clear -- you can vote for further fantasy, or you can recognize reality.
If you really believe that everything is going well in Iraq, where, every month, more Americans are butchered than the month before, vote for George Bush.
If you really believe freedom is on the march in Afghanistan, where heroin production is at record levels and the Taliban and warlords control much of the country, vote for George Bush.
If you really believe that the economy is doing great, where not enough jobs are created even to keep up with population growth, vote for George Bush.
If you really believe that those earning over $200,000 a year were abused by the tax code under Bill Clinton, and that trillions of dollars in new debt don't matter, vote for George Bush.
If you really believe that a microscopic clump of frozen cells deserves more moral consideration than Michael J. Fox, Christopher Reeve, and millions of other children and adults, vote for George Bush.
If you really believe that the current administration truly cares about the millions of kids who now live in poverty who didn't in 2000, that they care more about seniors than the drug companies, and that they care more about the environment than the oil, coal, logging, and mining companies, vote for George Bush.
If you really believe that yelling at and ridiculing those who disagree with or question you is the best way to lead, vote for George Bush.
But if you recognize that America has done better in the past, and can do better in the future, vote for change. Vote for John Kerry.
I think an important difference between Bush and Kerry came during the
very last question of the debate. Kerry said "President BUsh always
wants you to think things are as simple as yes or no. I am against
partial birth abortion, but only if there is a clause to protect the
life of the mother. In the bill there was no protection, that is why
I voted against it." Bush responds, "Yes it is. You are either for or against it." That was it. The President really sees things like this. Yes or No; good or evil; with us or against us; up can be down but not in between. It is really a stark contrast.
Who on Bush's staff (I'm guessing Manhands) thought that was a great line?
Just makes him sound more juvenile than ever.
"...or, you can just wait for me to give up looking."
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We're trying to find him with forces that are lighter, quicker, more fassel.
wtf? Its bad enough that he talks up Rummy's failed vision to revolutionize our military into the A-Team, but he just makes up words to do it too.
Anyone else waiting with baited breath for him to say, "Make my day,"?
He could eat a rat on camera and the press would give him a pass.
A characteristic of addictive personalities is seeing things in black and white; no middle ground is allowed.
The "W" stands for "wood."
jps
I think he said 'facile' which is a word, but doesn't make any sense the way he used it. It actually adds to the rumor that * is using an earpiece. Isn't it possible that whoever's giving * hints gave the stage direction, "More facile!" which means, "Say it easygoing, relaxed!" but Chimpy thought he was supposed to repeat, "More facile"?
If you had to run on their record, you'd smear all the time, too!
Reposted and updated from a thread below:
Kerry should at some point go over Bush's job creation record and say:
"You can't hide from that record. You can't even run."
See, I think Bush using the "run, can't hide" line was a way calling Kerry out, so to speak And Kerry's going to need something similarly tough/macho sounding to reach NASCAR dads.
Who on Bush's staff (I'm guessing Manhands) thought that was a great line?
I've heard Wez is working on his ad libs now. If Chimpy asks to be introduced at the next debate as "The Lord Humungus! The Warrior of the Wasteland! The Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla!" we'll know it for sure.
See, I think Bush using the "run, can't hide" line was a way calling Kerry out, so to speak And Kerry's going to need something similarly tough/macho sounding to reach NASCAR dads.
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Forget it, he has already blown that voting bloc. NASCAR dads don't windsurf.
Slightly OT - Was there anything conclusive about the square thing on Bush's back? Did you see his facial expression during the time Kerry was talking? It seemed like he was listening to something else. Paranoid? Maybe. Possible? Yes.
I repeat:
It sounded childish every time he said it, like a 13-year-old discovering an obnoxious turn of phrase for the first time-- a tittering teenager saying "Female Body Inspector," or some such.
Come to think of it, that's the problem with what passes for country music on the commercial stations-- the "musicians" point at their own cleverness with just a wee bit too much glee.
Around these parts-- central Arkansas-- there's a fast food chain called Sonic Drive-Thru that has an ad campaign that basically tries to appeals to morons. Much of the same, I suppose.
Is Bush actively courting the non-clever? Ah, I already know the answer to that....
His clock is up.
See, I think Bush using the "run, can't hide" line was a way calling Kerry out, so to speak And Kerry's going to need something similarly tough/macho sounding to reach NASCAR dads.
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Forget it, he has already blown that voting bloc. NASCAR dads don't windsurf.
"FACILE" is a terrific word, much like "MOOT", which, depending on the context, can mean one thing or its opposite.
"MOOT" means "debatable", but is often used to mean, "good ONLY for debating purposes".
"FACILE" means, as an adjective, "effortless" but also "arrived at without due care".
So, this facile President has become facile at making excuses.
I've given up the word, because too few people know both definitions, and I've tired of being stared at.
We're trying to find him with forces that are lighter, quicker, more fassel.
wtf? Its bad enough that he talks up Rummy's failed vision to revolutionize our military into the A-Team, but he just makes up words to do it too.
jps
as I said at the debate watching party I was at last night when someone else said "Wtf?"
"facile, it was on his 'word of the day calendar'"
Avestus,
A stupid comment does not somehow become intelligent just because you post it twice.
Run and hide indeed. It was Bush, after all, who just last night refused to give a straight answer to a very simple question in a nationally televised debate:
Please give three instances in which you came to realize you had made a wrong decision and what you did to correct it.
Anyone else waiting with baited breath for him to say, "Make my day,"?
Don't take the bait, RMJ!
Bushie’s resort to final ploy, finding Osama 
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Makes no difference, Bushie still goes thuddy thud thud and has his sorry butt bounced to Kennebunkport.
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Wait, folks, isn't Atrios saying that bush used the same line about Kerry that he used about bin Laden and the terrorists? It sure caught my attention when bush used that line.
This is just the same thing as saying that a vote for Kerry is a vote for the terrorists. It's an attempt to be subliminable about it, that's all. Expect to see him use it a lot more in those scripted stump speeches where you can see him flipping the laminated pages in the binder.
Pathetic.
Sure, the Chimpster is fast on his feet,
But he's ill-equipped to compete.
He's got a glass jaw,
And a flip-flop forepaw,
That'll lead to his fucking defeat.
"Mein Crap"
---- By George W. Bush
October 9, 2004
DCorps Post-Debate Panel Survey Gives Kerry Solid Win (from Ruy Teixeira @ DonkeyRising )
Democracy Corps, which has been conducting the most extensive post-debate surveys, using larger and more representative national samples than the other public polls, finds John Kerry a solid winner in last night's debate. Here are their key findings:
· Kerry wins debate by 8 points (45 to 37 percent).
· Kerry moves up his vote margin over Bush by 2 points.
· Kerry makes significant gains in personal favorability.
· Kerry made his biggest gains on likeability, giving people confidence, and having clear plans.
· Kerry won especially strongly in the swing electorate -- independents, the undecided, and battleground state voters.
OK, at the risk of becoming one-note Lyndon, let me ask this again - how has the topic of anthrax not come up? I was so so sooooo waiting for Kerry to pounce when the woman asked the question about how there haven't been any terrorist attacks since 9/11.
"Well, let's start wtih the premise of the question - there haven't been any beyond those who died after receiving anthrax through the mail. The president has made much of how his administration has been 'on the offense' in fighting the war on terror. Yet, we've heard not one word from them about the OTHER terrorist attacks of the autumn of 2001."
Bushie’s resort to final ploy, finding Osama .
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Makes no difference, Bushie still goes thuddy thud thud and has his sorry butt bounced to Kennebunkport.
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heeeeeere’s Osama .
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Gentleman, we found him.
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Oh yeah, where is Jerry Bremer now.
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heh heh heh, in a kvitchy retirement wondering how the hokey palokey still got their sorry tuchas bounced.
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Just saying. 
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"Mein Crap"
---- By George "Wood" Bush
(with apologies to "fear is the mind killer")
anon is me
New York Times is carrying the article on "The Bulge"
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/0...gn/
09bulge.html
anon was me, but I am shore the dots already helped figure that out .
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Todd Purdum, creeping back slowly into the Dem tent .
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"anon is me"
MinnieB9,
Your style gave you away.
Kerry/Edwards In A LANDSLIDE!!
why can't we find Abu Musab al-Zarqawi?
Bush: "He hides"
Bahrain Times:
"Twelve people were killed and 17 injured in a US airstrike in Fallujah early yesterday which struck a wedding gathering, witnesses and doctors said. Among the dead were the bridegroom, hospital doctors said. The bride was also said to have been injured in the airstrike which destroyed two buildings where witnesses said the wedding celebration had just concluded."
Making America safer, one wedding party at a time.
God help us.
Stuff I dug up from the print media this morning:
NYTIMES "At the outset, Mr. Bush seemed a bit strident and on edge, as if over-eager to avoid a repetition of his pained performance eight days ago."
"Mr. Kerry generally seemed to be more in command of his brief, more confident in demeanor and more intent than Mr. Bush to reach across partisan boundaries as he invoked the leadership of Ronald Reagan and Dwight D. Eisenhower and talked of the importance of balancing budgets. Mr. Bush seemed more content to play to his conservative base."
"Mr. Bush addressed members of the live audience by name and the television cameras directly, doing his best to suppress the frowns and squints so widely remarked on in his last performance. He declined an offer to list three mistakes he had made in office, but offered a fresh formulation in defense of his decision to invade Iraq"
"Both men recycled lines from their stump speeches, but some of Mr. Bush's seemed to fall flat without the supportive applause he can count on at partisan rallies."
"After Mr. Bush insisted that he had listened to his generals and supplied all the troops they sought in Iraq, Mr. Kerry countered, "Military's job is to win the war; president's job is to win the peace.""
"the latest employment figures released yesterday confirmed Mr. Bush's status as the first president since Herbert Hoover to face re-election with fewer Americans at work than when he first won."
More NYTIMES::
"Mr. Bush, whose uneven performance last week had stirred concern among Republicans, particularly as post-debate polls showed him losing his lead to Mr. Kerry, seemed hesitant and spoke loudly when he took the stage. . . . at times he flashed glances of anger at Mr. Kerry that were reminiscent of his demeanor the week before."
"By contrast, Mr. Kerry seemed assured and comfortable for most of the night"
"At one point Mr. Bush practically talked over Mr. Gibson after Mr. Kerry asserted that the president had gone to war without the support of much of the world. "I've got to answer this," Mr. Bush said, adding, "You tell Tony Blair we're going alone." "We've got 30 countries there," he said. "It denigrates an alliance to say we're going alone, to discount their sacrifices." Mr. Kerry responded tartly: "Mr. President, countries are leaving the coalition, not joining. Eight countries have left it.""
"Mr. Bush was asked to name three mistakes that he had made, and how he had addressed them. Mr. Bush, who had been unable to name a single mistake when asked a similar question at a news conference in March,
Lyndon, they are holding the anthrax arrest for the last week of October supposedly.
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Some upstate NY ER doctor or something .
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That is what they say.
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Hmmm...Kerry better do a lot better the next debate. At best he got a "tie" on this one, and that is as effectively bad as a loss. Not a good time to be losing momentum, and that is what he did last night.
Actually I think at one point Bush flubbed his line (again) and said:
"You can run but you cant hide your record."
I think it's a great slogan for Kerry's campaign.
Oh yeah, they are gonna ***find*** Zarqawi too, or somebody they say is Zarqawi, ha, ha, ha.
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He’s already grown a leg, hey, if he shrinks or grows a few inches or changes his appearance, who is to know anyway.
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will it make any difference to the thuds and kabooms.
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no.
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do we still need President Kerry.
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yes.
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ha, ha, ha.
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Bush's incredible shrinking lead
Boston Globe, October 9, 2004
NATIONAL POLLS show presidential race unchanged. But state polls tell another story.
Very red states. On Los Angeles Times interactive map (www.latimes.com), red (Republican) states are really red. George Bush way ahead in 21; average margin: 22 points. He's got 40-point cushion in Utah. (Must've been that Mitt Romney speech at RNC.) Bush has 177 electoral votes, with 270 needed for victory.
John Kerry's big blue states are California, Illinois, and New York, plus eight others in Northeast, good That's 153 electoral votes.
Upswing in swing states. Kerry has to win every tossup state that Al Gore carried four years ago. Kerry's moving up in all of them. In Washington, Kerry's up by 10 points; Oregon, up 10; New Mexico, up 3-11; Minnesota, up 8; Michigan, up 10; New Jersey, up 3-8; Iowa up 7; Wisconsin, up 2 1/2; and Pennsylvania, up by 5-7. If Kerry runs the table on these, he'll have 255 electoral votes. To get to 270, he needs to pocket Ohio (20).
http://www.boston.com/news/polit...shrinking_lead/
"Hmmm...Kerry better do a lot better the next debate. At best he got a "tie" on this one, and that is as effectively bad as a loss. Not a good time to be losing momentum, and that is what he did last night."
-Anonymous
Hmmm... No. Bush, because of his utter failure in the previous debate, is the one who couldn't afford a tie. Kerry at a minimum needed to tie to keep the momentum going and polls show that Kerry tied or did better. Make sense? Don't worry Kerry has wind in his sails.
If our press corp. (hehe)had an ounce if decency, they'd quit tiptoing around the fact that we have a dangerously stupid and incompetent man in the WH and expose this fraud.
About the bulge in Bush's coat, from his campaign:
"First they said that pictures showing the bulge might have been doctored. But then, when the bulge turned out to be clearly visible in the television footage of the evening, they offered a different explanation.
"There was nothing under his suit jacket," said Nicolle Devenish, a campaign spokeswoman.
"It was most likely a rumpling of that portion of his suit jacket, or a wrinkle in the fabric."
Ms. Devenish could not say why the "rumpling" was rectangular.
Nor was the bulge from a bulletproof vest, according to campaign and White House officials; they said Mr. Bush was not wearing one."
Errr, it's a, um, a wrinkle in his coat, yeah, that's it.
Words fail me.
"I Think This Keeps The Game Open. … I Do Think That Bush Certainly Came To Play Tonight, Certainly Put In A Strong Performance."
"The President Actually Did Better, Did Stronger, And Put Kerry On The Defensive On The Domestic Section."
Facile is the perfect word to describe Bush, but is a disturbing word to be used for our military!
facile - performing or performed easily, without great effort || easily won, a facile success || fluent, even if lacking in qualities of greater worth, merely superficial
"I Think President Bush Was Most Effective, Is When He Brought People Into The Oval Office, Talked About Meeting With The Iraqi Finance Minister, Talking About Going To The Situation Room And Talking To General Tommy Franks, And Then, Finally, Also, Bringing Up Senator Kerry's Senate Record. But You Did See, I Think, A Lot Of Skill Out There Tonight."
mmm...Kerry better do a lot better the next debate. At best he got a "tie" on this one, and that is as effectively bad as a loss. Not a good time to be losing momentum, and that is what he did last night.
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 10.09.04 - 11:51 am | #
Couldn't disagree more. An election is a referrendum on the incumbent. People have been wanting to vote out Bush for a while (look at the "wrong track" polls) but only if the guy who takes over can make a believable president. Kerry passed that hurdle in the first debate, so every draw from here on out - every time he doesn't do something unpresidential (e.g. yell at the debate moderator) - he comes out ahead.
I just watched the debate on CSPAN. Intense. I'm glad we have Kerry as our candidate. He's solid.
"The President Did Well" And Exuded An "Air Of Confidence."
Big Sista Karen was sendin' messages to BushiePoo through the square bulge like standup straight stop twitching,stop grinding your teeth like a cow chews cud, okay go juvy" ("Want some wood?" his old pickup line reborn again)
anon is me
MinnieB9, your style is unmistakable.
I thought they had their eyes on a guy in NJ for the anthrax attacks, but when I checked the article it's actually the same guy.
"The Guys In Western Pennsylvania, Working Class Guys In West Virginia, Ohio, These Guys Who Are Concerned About Their Lost Jobs, They Like A Tough Customer As President, And The President Came Off As Tough, Assertive, Confident, Even Defiant."
Kerry winning, Bushie thuddy thud thud .
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Awwww, Chris, you MUST use spaces to break up the link! Ya broke haloscan, dude.
Better yet use html a href thing.
Press Release: TIME Campaign 2004 Poll
Presidential Race Deadlocked: Kerry Now Beats Bush on "Likeability"; Kerry Recaptures Large Lead Among Female Voters, 50%-38%; 68% Say Vice Presidential Debate Had No Impact
Liberals, you can run but you can't hide. Game on. See you November third.
Aaron McGruder is the only guy so far with enough guts to go on tv and say what everyone knows: Bush is stupid. Our president is a fucking moron.
Cheers to McGruder. (Hope I'm spelling his name right.) Cheers to The Boondocks.
Internets! Want some wood? Is my clock up already?!?
On the "wanna buy some wood?" retort -
This is what struck me so vividly last night.
Kerry offered up the "$84" line at the very end of his answer as he was returning to his seat.
It occurred to me that Kerry was demonstrating something here. Namely, using a baseball analogy, Bush is incapable of holding himself back from swinging at every pitch tossed his way. He will swing at high fastballs and the low & away sliders alike.
Looking at it another way, Bush is no brighter than those fish he has stocked in his pond on the ranch...almost any bait will do.
Why is this relevant? Because it shows the difference between a disciplined and clever mind versus a vastly inferior and reactive mind.
Bush was just too stupid to realize that something as oddly thrown out there like the $84 income parting shot, had some basis in fact. Too stupid to realize that Kerry would not use it if he had not done his homework in advance.
Kerry was smart enough to understand that the timing of the remark and the way he stated it would be irresistable to Bush's instinct to swing and miss at the pitch he had been tossed.
By the time Kerry uttered the comment, Bush was already too fiesty for his own good...too swept up by the emotion of defending his own position.
Bottom line - Kerry was showing us why Bush just isn't smart enough to be President. If Bush had any real awareness about him, he would have laid off the pitch. The fact checkers would have still found the 2001 tax return, and everyone would be saying, "$84!...what's the big deal? Why did Kerry even mention it? Is this what Kerry is hanging his tax plan on...$84?!"
Instead, knowing that Bush would take the bait, Kerry ensured that we will remember..."Wanna buy some wood?"
It is THE difference between the candidates. One has a brain, one doesn't.
STOP BLOWING OUT HALOSCAN BY POSTING LONG LINKS!!@!@
if you want to post a link, do it like this, replacing the [] with .
[a href="http://www.yourlink.com"]name the link here[/a]
or go to tinyurl.com
thank you.
I'm surprised that people haven't focused much attention on the two-faced, thin-skinned boy king's particularly poor response to one man's question regarding his civil liberties and the USA Patriot Act.
As the boy king was responding to that question, those of us at the debate gig I was at thought he would lose more independent voters with every word.
Karin, it’s the same guy.
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The giveaway was Judy Miller dweebing over him and singing sad songs, this was a shore giveaway that something was a foot.
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She has such rock bottom creds, whatever tack she takes, the troof is prolly in the opposite direction.
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dammit, replace the brackets [] with greater than/less than symbols < > (shift ,) (shift.)
Mo Do must be lying on the floor and howling at the Moo-oo-ooon. .
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Everybody's forgetting "battling green eye shades." Don't forget battling green eye shades.
damm you Hal O'Scan!!
"Hmmm...Kerry better do a lot better the next debate. At best he got a "tie" on this one, and that is as effectively bad as a loss. Not a good time to be losing momentum, and that is what he did last night."
-Anonymous
Pundits: Bush Mad, Kerry Composed
“Kerry was very aggressive in this debate. In some of those two-shots it looked like Kerry was the prosecutor and Bush was the defendant,” said Alan Schroeder, a presidential debate historian at Northeastern University. “Bush was better than last time but he seemed rather shrill to me and not terribly articulate.
“Bush’s jaw was set. He was chomping his mouth,” Schroeder said.
Ha, ha, glad you posted under your true name, Tokyo Rosie .
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We ain’t running, except forward, ha, ha, and why should we hide, our guy is gonna be in the White House, your guy is going to Kennebunkport.
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Battling green eye shades! Want some wood? Internets! Damn, is my clock up? I did the right decision!
Everybody's forgetting "battling green eye shades." Don't forget battling green eye shades.
That was so fucking funny. It was one of those: What did he just say? moments.
isn't the quote:
I didn't do it.
I don't know why I did it.
I don't know why I'll do it again.
George Bart Bush
Oh, oh, shocking, Afghan election ink was the kind you can take off.
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Imagine that.
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Good ole Afghan elections .
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Battling green eye shades! Want some wood? Internets! Damn, is my clock up? I did the right decision!
Magnum, you forgot Poland.
Dont forget the "Bubbles for Bush" (because he is full of hot air?)
From AP article, At debate watching parties, cheers and scowls
The Republicans provided children's' entertainment, from face painting to blowing "Bubbles for Bush" and springing onto a big "Bouncing for Bush" air-pillow trampoline.
Liberals, you can run but you can't hide. Game on. See you November third.
TokyoRose
Karl? Karen? Is that you?
What about: "Tell that to Tony Blair!"
And he's already used it THREE TIMES this morning!
Ha, ha, trying to show Bushie being Positive on the Draft.
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He was just as positive about the Uranium, remember.
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We don’t believe him about the draft.
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When he said it, I thought he was talking about batting green eyeshadow. He was talking about dressing in drag.
Any notice that Bush does not know how to use a handheld mike? He kept dropping it down lower and lower, and the poor sound guy had to keep turning up the volume. Most of Bush's 'humorous' statements were so low I could hardly hear them.
Re: "you can run but you can't hide."
I would have liked to hear Kerry say:
"There's nothing in my record that I need to "run" or "hide" from. There are a few things I wish I had done or said differently, and unlike the president, I'm able to recognize my own mistakes and admit to them rather than try to blame them on someone else or insist in the face of facts and reality that no mistakes were made.
But even if that were not the case, past events have shown us that it is all too possible to "run" and "hide" from this president, thanks to his short attention span. He promised to get Osama bin Laden "dead or alive", then 6 months later said it really didn't matter if we got him or not. He diverted the troops and resources needed to kill or bring bin Laden to justice in his fixation on Iraq. And the anthrax terrorist - remember him? - he's still at large also. This president is 0 for 2 in capturing or killing the people responsible for the terrorist attacks in 2001. I'm sure they got the message loud and clear - you can run and you can hide, and if you succeed in hiding for just a few months, this president will lose interest and instead attack someone who had nothing to do with killing our people."
See ya later, my sweet babies .
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I like that - "Tell that to Tony Blair!"
I'm sure the soon-to-be former PM of Britain will appreciate the reminder.
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned that this was most likely another Reagan reference:
"These young Americans sent a message to terrorists everywhere. . . . You can run but you can't hide."
~ Ronald Reagan
As anyone who a) has a good memory, or b) is familiar with Def Leppard's Hysteria album, will recall.
Liberals, you c--
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Why George should stick to his jogging, and not the bicycles and Segways:
He can run, but he can't ride.
"It is THE difference between the candidates. One has a brain, one doesn't."--PJB
Yes. And it is a terrible, frightening indictment of the people who support him. They are not able to discern this simple truth. They believe his religious posturing and his deadly stubbornness are indicative of compassion and strength. It never occurs to them that these traits are what moral cowards use to cover their inadequacies and failings.
He has no convictions except that he is blameless and always right. And those are based on self-delusion.
When he said it, I thought he was having a drug induced flash back to the 70s. What else could it have been?
Sorry 'bout that. (Breaking HaloScan with my link.) To learn me good, I'll re-post as an embedded link. I'm assuming HaloScan uses standard link tags. Here goes:
Bush's Incredible Shrinking Lead
You know, I miss the days of the brownshirts that at least had a portion of a brainstem in their head. This latest batch of 4th-stringers who couldn't even make the cut at the local Jack-in-the-Box job fair depress me so...
This piece by Joyce McGreevey on Salon is hilarious.
Getting all pissy,
excerpt:
Man asks Bush about the draft. Between convulsions, Bush distracts draft-age demographic by revealing the existence of a second Internet. Kerry says that using stop-loss policies to keep people from getting out of military service amounts to a back-door draft. Bush jumps off stool, barking and grinding his teeth. Moderator tries to pet him, sustains lacerations. Bush snarls: Tell that to the Italian guy and the Brits. Hey, we've got 30 countries helpin' us out. Kerry says: You forgot Poland. Smoke coming out of Bush's ears spells out these words: "Poland can kiss my grand coalition."
Woman tells Bush, speaking of getting all pissy, my mother and sister caught holy crap during their overseas summer vacation because YOU just had to invade Iraq. Bush jeers, Well, I hate that poncho, so now we're even. Adds: Don't worry, they're just a bunch of dumb foreigners who don't understand my plan. Kerry says there is no plan. Bush says, 'member I was sittin' in the office, the oval one, lookin' at generals? Well, then I went down to the basement, where there was more generals, and I looked at every darn one of 'em. That's what a president does.
Man asks Bush why he blocked importation of cheaper drugs from Canada. Bush explodes: You can't handle the drugs! Anyway, I didn't, not yet, and when I do it'll be to keep you safe. Drugs'll kill you, man. Sorry about the Parkinson's. (Wuss.)
Did you all see how when he was talking about the stem-cell he got all contrite when he finished his statement and said, "thank you" like he's a humble man? Playing to his freaky fundie base? How fake. This coming after all the belligerence prior. The first debate could be summarized as petulant. The second from him as belligerent.
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned that this was most likely another Reagan reference:
"These young Americans sent a message to terrorists everywhere. . . . You can run but you can't hide."
~ Ronald Reagan
As anyone who a) has a good memory, or b) is familiar with Def Leppard's Hysteria album, will recall.
*rubs eyes blearily*
I was just about to say exactlythe same thing; I'd even just rummaged up a cite for the quote rather than rely upon Hysteria as a source. Bleh... I blame staying up late to read the real time blogging goodness of the 6 acts of "Chimpy The Second: A Tragedy Of Enormous Proportions" here last night. Surprised myself no one else recalled that quote or spots the obvious Reagan reference... (The female samples on "Gods Of War" are Margeret Thatcher if I recall correctly)
Facile is the perfect word to describe Bush
Disgusted in St. Louis
Facile is almost the perfect word to describe Bush.
"Facile" without the "F" is perfect.
Pundits agree - Bush was angry!
Andrew Sullivan: "There were moments early on... when he seemed to me to be close to shouting; and his hyper-aggressiveness, having to respond to everything, went at times over the line of persuasiveness."
Ron Forunier, AP: "As he fought to keep his emotions in check in a testy, personal debate with Sen. John Kerry, the president asserted 'That answer almost made me scowl.'... Several answers brought Bush's emotions to the surface, for better or worse, as he sought to curb Kerry's momentum.... Bush was the most aggressive, at one point overrunning moderator Charles Gibson's attempt to pose a question.."
David Niven, political science professor at Florida Atlantic University in Boca Raton (from the above article):"Bush seemed wound a bit too tight. He was a little like Nixon sort of jumping out of his suit... He looked bad on the TV close-ups.""
Jonah Goldberg, National Review: "WHY DOES BUSH... Sound like he's angry at the guy asking about making drugs cheaper?
Paul Begala, CNN: "Good debate. The press will say it's a draw, but I think Kerry bested Bush -- or rather Bush made a few errors. Two words for President Bush: anger management. He spent much of the debate nearly yelling at the audience."
John Whitesides, Reuters: "An angry Bush at one point cut off moderator Charles Gibson to upbraid Kerry for criticising the size of the coalition backing the United States in Iraq, saying it denigrated allies like Britain and Poland."
Beth Gorham, CBC News: "It all added up to a major challenge for the president, who appeared angry and defensive during attacks from Kerry in a tense sparring match on Sept. 30 that was watched by some 62 million Americans."
(From DailyKos)
...Kerry's going to need something similarly tough/macho sounding to reach NASCAR dads
The come back is easy.
Bush:
"A leader need to lead if he wants to show leadership in leading the war on terra!. You can run, but you can't hide."
Kerry:
"I'm right here Mr. President, right in front of you. I've never run from anything in my life. When my country called, I didn't run. I hear my country calling again and I'm standing, right here, to say, HELP IS ON THE WAY!"
Battling green eye shades! Want some wood? Internets! Damn, is my clock up? I did the right decision!
Magnum, you forgot Poland.
Don't forget me.
I'm the sop to the Trent Lott/Strom Thurmond wing of the republican party.
"You can run, but you can't hide."
It's obvious. Bush was talking to his tiny, squeaking brain.
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That Salon thing is hysterical
a few more excerpts
10:15 p.m. Man comments on expansion of the PATRIOT Act, asks Bush why his rights are being watered down. Bush says they aren't. Not at all. Don't be such a baby. Shut up. We can have you arrested for wearing the wrong T-shirt and you want to get all up in my ass about the PATRIOT Act?
Woman asks Kerry, Why use embryonic stem cells? Kerry says not letting people die could be a viable way to show respect for life. Bush says, I can say the word "ethical" more times than he can say it. And I'm louder.
Speaking of vacancy, a man wants to know how Bush would fill one on the Supreme Court. Bush says he's not tellin', then recounts mangled version of the Dred Scott decision. Kerry fast-forwards from 1850s to 2000, when Bush declared, "What we need are some good conservative judges on the courts." Oh, yeah, that, says Bush.
Ooohh, don't forget this:
Bush: "The first part of the question was how come we haven't found Zarqawi? We're looking for him. He hides."
The thing about "Run, but can't hide" is that it's not going to work terribly well when the guy you're accusing is sitting not 10 feet away, calmly taking notes, not even breaking a sweat, let alone running or hiding.
Everyone thinks GWB lost the debate, but IMHO, here are some demographics Bush was trying to reach out to last night.
- to the wife abusers, the road rage-aholics. At least the ones who haven't been convicted yet and can still vote.
- to Supreme Court Justices as well
- to the African Americans with his support of anti-slavery decisions by the Supreme Court
- people doing home renovations who find they are buying a lot of lumber
He's decided he doesn't care about:
- moderators or would-be moderators of presidential debates
- Americans who travel abroad and who find they are being spit on by foreigners
- people who jog (you can run but you can't hide)
The present course in Iraq would
necessitate a draft RIGHT NOW if
it weren't for stop loss. What is
Bush going to do, give a really
really good pep-talk to the troops
and convince them all to re-enlist?
He can't even address his poilitical
opponents without losing his temper
and screaming! If we don't change
course soon, rumors of the draft are
perfectly justified.
"You can run, but you can't hide. You don't have a dialysis machine to hide behind."
The present course in Iraq would
necessitate a draft RIGHT NOW if
it weren't for stop loss. What is
Bush going to do
I have found Bush's secret plan to avoid a draft.
Like father, like son,
Terms? Only one.
Still, it is a shame to watch the greatest nation in the world become an international laughingstock, albeit small, careful, in-your-sleeve laughs, in case the drug-addled "leader" of that country decides to invade.
The Bushies were hoping that would be a knockout line. Both Mehlman and Gillespie repeated it in the post-debate spin.
"WHY DOES BUSH... Sound like he's angry at the guy asking about making drugs cheaper?
I"LL TELL YOU when you need cheaper drugs, you fucking peasant. Until then just SHUT THE FUCK UP and empty your wallet into Mr. Lilly's basket over there.
Might have worked for wolfcastle, but bunnypants ain't no wolfcastle.
Sigh, if you clowns would have chosen me for a candidate we would already be 10 points ahead. But nooooooooo.... you had to pick a Mass liberal and then have him try running around denying he's a liberal.
The landslide we are going to lose by is going to be all you guys fault because you morons were to dumb to learn from histoy. And of course those that fail to learn from history.....
What IS it about Rethug memes, that they always have to be so goddamned groaningly heavy-handed about it? Christ, they sent their minions EVERYWHERE last night!
Okay, so Michael Moore's watching the debate with thousands of students at a U of MN auditorium last night on his "Slacket Tour":
Randy Wanke, communications director for the Republican Party of Minnesota, disagreed.
"President Bush won tonight's debate and that is a reality that Michael Moore can run from but can't hide from," Wanke said.
You know what? It's all us lib'ruls' fault. We raised these jabones on such progressive fare as "Sesame Street" and "The Electric Company". They learned the power of REPETITION, and now we can't shut the little fuckers up.
Hell, you could have even chosen me and I could be winning right now by a wide margin. What kind of delusional retard thought that nominating a cheap Ted Kennedy knockoff would work? He can win every debate hands down and he will still lose the election.
YEEEAAAARGGHHH!! THAT LIMP WRISTED PUSSY LET BUSH DESTROY HIM LAST NIGHT!! I WOULDN'T HAVE PUT UP WITH HIS CRAP, THATS FOR SURE!!!
Oy
Well, I thought Kerry looked very dashing and manly. But then nobody gives a shit what I think 
I have seen a couple references to Bush skipping the annual physical but not the reasons he gave for not taking.
anybody know?
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[a href="http://www.yourlink.com"]name the link here[/a]
Just seeing if I understand this -- sorry for any incovenience
Mr Bill - NOT square brackets. You want the ones that are the uppercase on the Comma and the Period keys.
Preznut Versus Presidential
Shuster over at MSNBC offered a clear statistic from the Kerry vocabulary last night, mentioning the word "president" no less than sixty times while the guy holding the office cackled around the red carpet like an angry, aimless chickenhawk. Once again, the challenger standing beside this display of connect-the-dots lunacy looked stable, focused, informed and generally .... well .. presidential.
Can we start emailing CNN, MSNBC, Fox and others to demand that the obvious 'wiring' of the president be investigated? He was OBVIOUSLY taking direction last night -- pausing head down to 'listen' to his directions before proceeding.
His debate preparation was obviously aimed at helping him use the sock puppet device more smoothly.
OT,
Re: that bulge in Bush's jacket, I thought radio transmitters were alot more sophisticated that that these days.
Seems to me if Rove were really smart he'd plant someone in the audience who could give Bush signals, like slow down, stop figiting, you're smirking again, etc.
I just looked at the replay of that debate, and Bush didn't give one straight answer.
All he did was talk in circles and try to trash Big John.
Bush is such an asshole, and anyone who votes for him is an even bigger asshole.
MICHAEL BADNARIK ARRESTED
October 8 — 8:38PM CT The first report from St. Louis is in - and presidential candidates Michael Badnarik (Libertarian) and David Cobb (Green Party) were just arrested. Badnarik was carrying an Order to Show Cause, which he intended to serve the Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD).
I have seen a couple references to Bush skipping the annual physical but not the reasons he gave for not taking.
Supposedly, with the campaign, he is "too busy" to take it until after the election.
Okay, have therebeen any other presidents who were running for re-election who were "too busy" to take their annual physicals? Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, Carter? Anyone before this idiot? Why is anyone taking this as a reasonable answer?
Why is anyone taking this as a reasonable answer?
It's not against the law to refuse to go to the doctor.
I'm also not aware of any law that requires the president to undergo any kind of a medical exam. Presumably they'd have found Clinton's cardiac condition sooner if they'd been looking for it.
Making America safer, one wedding party at a time.
I wrote about this on my blog. I totally agree, and I wonder where American media is with this story? Nothing in Canada about it either, last I looked. The closest the story got to Brooklyn was Britain.
Badnarik was carrying an Order to Show Cause
and he didn't hire a process server because?
The GOP and the DP have hijacked the presidential "debate" business. Everyone knows that.
Everyone also knows that the "debates" are really intricately choreographed collusive joint appearances by the two major party candidates, not debates.
It's pathetic, but it's not illegal.
Cheap publicity stunts are no substitute for the hard work of building a political movement.
The Libertarian Party used to know that.
It's not against the law to refuse to go to the doctor.
this is not what theodoric meant, but just to swat any morons, this is for humans, not military personnel, whose peeing has to be supervised (this is actually how the modern drug test works; you have to pee while someone watches to make sure you aren't contaminating the test. There are many military members who find this to be the hardest thing to do). But there are also civilian ways of making a doctor's exam mandatory, by refusing a job without a drug test and so on. But we doubt a Peresident would face the same problem as an applicant to a service industry job (while we also find it suspicious that he isn't taking the exam, given all that free time).
this is actually how the modern drug test works; you have to pee while someone watches
I've had a couple of clients require me to take drug tests in recent years, strangely enough. I've never had a lab techs insist on watching; they give you a bottle and instructions, guide you to a toilet (with a closeable door), and leave you alone.
I suppose it might be different in the military, or that the lab might have a camera installed, but I'd think that that would not be a good idea, from a liability-to-litigation point of view.
Hell, you could have even chosen me and I could be winning right now by a wide margin. What kind of delusional retard thought that nominating a cheap Ted Kennedy knockoff would work?
yeah, shit, what were we thinking? why don't we just go to the Supreme Court and ask them who they'd like to see as president?
Or we could just ask Ayad Allawi. I'm sure he's got some idea.
go away, stalinist fuckhead.
"Hell, you could have even chosen me and I could be winning right now by a wide margin. What kind of delusional retard thought that nominating a cheap Ted Kennedy knockoff would work?:
Choose YOU?
The Repugs are running a moron......why do WE want to run one?
Rent a brain, will you?
theodoric-you kind of missed the point. The military can violate all of your person up to anal cavity exam, ending your privacy for four years at a time, rummaging through your belongings, reading letters to your sweetie, etc, because it's the military and involves a partial surrender of humanity. A private lab would never even think about trying it and if they did they would never get away with it.
Someone ought to tell Bush that the movie character that first uttered that line came to an untimley and unpleasant end.
Maybe we should chip in and buy John Kerry and old school bus?
Gore Lawsuit Challenges Australian Election Results
(2004-10-09) -- Just hours after the polls closed across Australia, and Prime Minister John Howard headed for his fourth term, former U.S. Vice President Al Gore filed a lawsuit in international court at the Hague alleging "irregularities" in the balloting.
The election was seen by many as a referendum on Australia's participation in Operation Iraqi Freedom and the subsequent efforts to bring democracy to Iraq. Mr. Howard's opponent, Mark Latham, had promised to withdraw Australian troops from the Coalition.
"Somebody was disenfranchised or coerced down under," said Mr. Gore, now an itinerant professor. "John Howard betrayed his country. He played on their fears. There's no way they could have re-elected him legally. We'll fight this result all the way to the U.N. Security Council if need be."
Democrat presidential contender John Forbes Kerry expressed displeasure at the Australian election outcome.
"This is the wrong election result, in the wrong place at the wrong time," Mr. Kerry said. "Think of the precedent this sets."
A movie theater next to an Afghan restaurant in the Little Kabul area of Fremont, Calif., displays a sign thanking President Bush for the elections in Afghanistan.
I read today that Bush is emphasizing his "You can run, but you can't hide" attack on Kerry from last night's debate. Although most have sought to undermine the argument by pointing out that Bush used similar language re: the still-at-large Bin Laden some years ago, I think there is a better retort.
Bush has spent his entire life running and hiding, and Kerry should have quite easily turned that line on Bush last night. Something along the lines of "I have not run from a fight in my life. I didn't run and hide from service in Vietnam. I didn't run and hide in the Mekong Delta. I didn't run and hide as a prosecutor. I didn't run and hide from public service for most of my adult life. And I don't, Mr. President, run and hide from the truth." There are, of course, many more possible formulations.
Particularly on the Vietnam angle, the run and hide attack is so easily reversed that I don't know why the Bushies dare use it. Kerry should be prepared turn it around at the next debate (if not sooner), because Bush is sure to use it there again. Bush is a coward across so many dimensions -- Kerry should not waste the opportunity to highlight it, and Bush's line is a great opportunity to do so.
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