I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Let me finish!
hello earpiece, and possibly erste
Kerry/Edwards In A LANDSLIDE!!
to the inevitable people who say the voice is his as an electronic echo: it ISN'T
I wrote the script for this clip, and the voice is the speech delivered perfectly, and bush stumbles and adds several words.
the pauses in both give him time to hear and repeat.
he is the milli vanilli of presidents.
I'm watching Bush's rally in Minnesota. It's clear that he thinks his audience reflects America. This is why he is so befuddled at these debates.
bubble boy.
Well, we don't know what the rectangular bulge was in Chimpy's back (a backwards codpiece?).
But we do know they lie about it.
Is it important to them to lie? What's the advantage?
Sxith.
transcript. First line, bush, second line, the voice:
the parameters of security(pause)
lays out (pause)
of the security cooperation in iraq(pause)
the parameters of security (pause) in iraq (pause)
and this is a positive step forward(pause)
of the security cooperation in iraq (pause) and this is a positive step forward
ok?
He's on a hotline with God. I think Republican Jesus is going to hold a press conference on this later.
My mom mentioned that the channel she watched last night's debate on kept showing Bush's back.
Maybe his feed really WAS a codpiece this time?
"The rich hire lawyers and accountants for a reason." -Bush at his rally
So they don't have to keep track of their lumber interests?
Promptergate part Deux:
Break out your tinfoil hats
Democrats.com found this photo on Yahoo.
I looks like a extra powerful transceiver/ this time.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news...0/
pd13510090242
I still think that Bush's dismal performance at the first debate was because his signal was lost or (cough) jammed.
Maybe Bush is a humpback. If so it's a micro hump. He doesn't even do that very well though. But I like the image of him being chased through a French village by a lot of peasants with pitchforks.
wasn't there a question about Bush having an earpiece when he did that press conference earlier this year.
I know that I have seen Asscroft and Ridge wearing earpience in the fear mongering... errrr... terror warning announcements.
Does anyone have a link to the blog that quoted Bush mixing up the words commensurate and commiserate. That's the one I want to read again. It's not getting enough attention in the earpiece controversy. Right in the middle of it he says "not commiserate."
I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Rove is whispering the answers to him.
But I thought radio transmitters were alot more sophisticated these days, like implants.
I also assume there's someone planted in the audience to give Bush signals, like stop figiting, stop smirking, give a wink, etc.
Our press is complicit in the coverup. There is no way they will even entertain the thought that our President is an empty suit.
Sorry to go off topic but how far has the discourse in this country fallen when the president of the United States uses the same tone to speak to a fellow American who happens to be running against him that he would use if he were talking about Osama bin Laden?
Bush, today and last night, in reference to Kerry:
"You can run but you can't hide."
The Bush team has officially reached the height of dirty politics and desperation. The least Bush could do is acknowledge that Kerry is a fellow American who wishes to get rid of the terrorist threat as much as himself.
Yet he stoops low without second thought, it would seem. That's not the American spirit, nor reflective of the attitude a president should have. Kerry, to my dismay, will at least refrain from comparing Bush to an international terrorist. And that's the right thing to do.
Labeling John Kerry, Democrats and Democratic supporters the same way you'd label a terrorist is not a way to unite people, Mr. Bush. It's not how a president is supposed to carry himself. You and your handlers have shown yourselves to be lacking in proper respect and dignity. The office of the presidency is bigger than you, Mr. Bush. I hope you realize that on your long bus ride back to Crawford.
Dipshit.
"The world is seeing what's going on in Afghanistan." -Bush, at his rally. This morning.
Bush started to smirk at one time early in the debate, and all of a sudden, he sat straight up as if suddenly alerted and then started writing.
"There is no way they will even entertain the thought that our President is an empty suit."
-David (Austin Tx)
I'm not sure his suit is empty? "Nothing up my sleeve".
Maybe Bush is a humpback. If so it's a micro hump. He doesn't even do that very well though. But I like the image of him being chased through a French village by a lot of peasants with pitchforks.
bebe rebozo
bebe, that would explain the irrational hatred of the French -- as well as missing his latest physical... hmmm, me thinks you might be on to something here!
OMFG. Is anybody here paying attention to the commenter "anon"??
anon, old buddy, maybe you're a fraud. But maybe you're not, and speaking for myself, I just love tinfoil hats, so why don't you give us just a teeny bit more background on who you are *and why you're doing this*?
Specifically, *why would someone involved with Bush speeches want to bust the whole scam in the first place*?
Be advised, before you answer: we're pretty hep to the jive, around Eschatonland. We understand that it was Karl Rove himself who told the late Jim Hatfield that his number one client was a blow monkey. We pretty much suspect that ol' Karl had something to do with introducing tainted documents to CBS News (remember... Tinfoil Hats 'R' Us!).
So this fucking better be good.
I think it was a bullet proof vest. I was looking at one today and there is was a square spot of material high up in the back. The one I was looking at was made for wearing under clothes and not your typical Cop issue. I think they are afraid to admit that he was wearing a vest. I would be if I were him.
I don't know what to think about this now. When I first saw the vidcap showing the bulge between W's shoulders, I thought, "Oh, it's just body armor. (You know, the stuff those poor kids in Iraq need and have to buy themselves?) That's the plate that goes over the heart." But it's too high up to be a heart-protecting ceramic plate. Still, I really don't want to be seen in a tinfoil hat.
As my husband remarked this morning, if he was wired for the first debate, let's hope he's wired for the last one, because he obviously does a lot worse when he's hearing The Voice.
Lie, cheat, steal, repeat. It works!
Victoria in Mass.
his performance in the first debate is consistent with his being prompted by someone who could hear, but not see the debate.
If you watch Bush when he is not speaking his head is tilted as if he is listening to something. There are also pauses during his speach where he has to sync up his lines. I think the moderator had a bug in his ear as well.
There is a picture on the front page of the S.F. Cron. today that looks as though Bush may have been wearing shoes that had enhanced heels.
Perhaps to make him look taller?
But why would he have it so high on his back?
Maybe so the sound guy wouldn't find the transmitter while placing the backup wireless lapel mic battery pack on his belt...
CNN poll has been turned by the Freeps.
Go HERE
his performance in the first debate is consistent with his being prompted by someone who could hear, but not see the debate.
The bulge is just a cut of the jacket. Modern bugs are not that big.
BTW, the link to Is Bush Wired? doesn't seem to work... try this:
www.isbushwired.com
Hmmm. Karl Rove tells Sean Hannity about 'October Surprise' he's working on. "We've got a couple of surprises that we intend to spring," says Rove.
"Modern bugs are not that big."
Exactly. I have seen a transmitter smaller than a lipstick tube. Also it would be on his belt so the jacket would always be loose over it.
How fucking paranoid do you need to be to wear a bullet proof vest in an event where all of the attendees are background-checked and where there's guaranteed to be a very large and tightly controlled security perimeter? I doubt the Secret Service would insist on such extreme measures, if he was wearing a vest it's because he has extreme paranoia. IMO, Bush needs to be institutionalized, since he's clearly a danger to himself and others.
The photo of his back looks as though he has neatly folded angels' wings under his jacket.
Maybe he really does believe that he's one of the heavenly host.
I think it was a bullet proof vest. I was looking at one today and there is was a square spot of material high up in the back.
The Times reported that the campaign said he wasn't wearing body armor.
Bush spends several thousand for each suit -- they do not come with bulges like ones from K-mart.
Bush spends several thousand for each suit -- they do not come with bulges like ones from K-mart.
Regarding the body armor theory, this from Is Bush Wired?:
A former Special Forces officer of my acquaintance who served in Iraq during the first Gulf War says that the photos of Bush's back are not body armor. Bush often appears in shirtsleeves at public rallies with no visible bulges. Think about it: If you were George Bush, what would you fear more, going into a debate with John Kerry without body armor -- or without your prompter? Take a look at this device.
Hear it for yourself:
Real audio clip is still available at the White House site. Here is the info from the www.isbushwired.com site:
On the Real audio link of the Bush/Chirac press conference, the phantom voice occurs at 22:40.
Posted by: IGrantius on October 4, 2004 at 12:32 PM |
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/r...20040605-
6.html
"...The Times reported that the campaign said he wasn't wearing body armor."
Since they lie about everything else why should we believe them on this?
Bush spends several thousand for each suit -- they do not come with bulges like ones from K-mart.
refering to the twin photos at democrats.com,
the " bulges ' have to be an aspect of a
kevlar vest. there is no way these people would
be so-o obvious, unless it was to create a
distraction, a side show, so to speak, to eat
up time and energy during the news cycles.
DISTRACT! DISTRACT!
Also it would be on his belt so the jacket would always be loose over it.
Too visible and easily accessible. They attach the TV mic apparatus there.
From the Times:
When the online magazine Salon published an article about the rumors on Friday, the speculation reached such a pitch that White House and campaign officials were inundated with calls.
First they said that pictures showing the bulge might have been doctored. But then, when the bulge turned out to be clearly visible in the television footage of the evening, they offered a different explanation.
"There was nothing under his suit jacket," said Nicolle Devenish, a campaign spokeswoman.
"It was most likely a rumpling of that portion of his suit jacket, or a wrinkle in the fabric."
Ms. Devenish could not say why the "rumpling" was rectangular.
Nor was the bulge from a bulletproof vest, according to campaign and White House officials; they said Mr. Bush was not wearing one
"...too visible and easily accessible. They attach the TV mic apparatus there."
Hmmm...didn't think of that.
I hear Bob Schieffer is studying tae kwon do for the next debate, just in case...
Oh he's wired alright... damn... he almost bit poor Charlie's head off last night.
Bush spends several thousand for each suit -- they do not come with bulges like ones from K-mart.
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Spending more money doesn't mean a better suit. Just like spending money on a national security policy doesn't mean we are any safer. Have you ever been to K-mart? They don't sell suits.
Watch the first debate. Watch the second. Tell me something isn't roten in Denmark.
The second time I watched Kerry looke really good.
Fudging facts is just a bit sleazy,
And little fibs make some of us queasy;
But for those with less ruth,
There's no need for the truth,
When a lie is so quick and so easy.
..
there is no way these people would
be so-o obvious,
But they had specifically stated in the debate rules that there was to be NO camera shots from the back. A strange detail if you think about it. Another odd detail was that the podium microphones had to be hardwired and not wireless.
Ok, I was saying this early this morning and I'll say it again now that there is a post up on it. Bush last night had to have had some kind of aid because more times than I can count, he stood up to answer a question, stalled, stuttered - and then all of a sudden an unbroken stream of talking points came out.
There is just no fucking way that someone wasn't feeding him answers.
And look, I am not a conspiracy nut - I think Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. But I am convinced that Bush had an earpiece last night. I'm convinced.
If someone can show me a reasonable explanation for why he started answers with halting, stuttering and stalling and then launched into a stream of shit, then I'm willing to listen. But it's going to have to be good.
Well it's obvious from the Chirac Bush press conference tape. I am surprised I had not thought of it before.
There is a translator for Chirac and one for Bush. Bush does not understand standard English. He speaks a crude dialect called Texas twit.
So he needs a translator (listening to Rove presumably) to allow him to mouth normal English.
Bush started to smirk at one time early in the debate, and all of a sudden, he sat straight up as if suddenly alerted and then started writing
That's the clue I was missing, patriotboy! They put him in one of those remote controlled doggie stop-bark collars and every time he smirked, they give him an electric shock.
Oh, to take a turn at pushing that remote button! Just for a few minutes, please!
Warning to the unobjective : You are being setup for a fall.
The supposed speech in France where it is claimed that someone whispered in Bush's ear can be found at the following places:
www.canofun.com/videoclips.asp
philbrittin.com/news/Bush-Chirac.zip
An objective look at the video shows that the voice is simply Bush's voice in some type of feedback loop. The voice speaks in the same tone as Bush and says EXACTLY the same thing in the same way. If someone has proof to show otherwise than PROVE it and stop mucking up Kerry's progress with these stupid UFO theories. I replayed the videos a dozen times and they speak the same things in the same tones IMHO.
Look what you are setting yourself up for. Check out the quote below from this link:
http://www.mediachannel.org/
view...falert273.shtml
So the official denial is now on the record. Any readers or viewers who think they can prove otherwise please do so. Any bloggers or chatters who can offer more than conspiracy theories -- see dailykos.com (Sat Jun 5th, 2004 at 18:43:30 GMT) and rense.com as well as postings on Salon.com and the Washington Monthly online -- please do so immediately.
Notice that non-conspiracy theorists are being asked to provide proof to a UFO conspiracy theorist website (rense.com) in the same breath as the respected dailykos.com. Fortunately Kerry has the good sense not to jump on this like some of these other boneheads before he checks the facts.
Be objective people... check your facts before you open your mouth and get your foot shoved in it.
CNN Poll mentioned earlier is not doing well for Kerry at all. No way can the debate I saw last night which was generally given to Kerry be 10 points down even with you guys hitting it, unless Freepers are sweating this bigtime.
If the Dems can't be objective and stop allowing their chain to get yanked by the puppeteers they're going to end up getting Kerry discredited like Rather.
As mentioned before, if they wanted to wire Bush for sound they'd know where to go for advice. This is a well known technique for "faith healers". Randi has snuck recievers into their mass bilkings and recorded them being fed information from "prayer cards" that were filled out beforehand.
It could explain a lot about his alarming behavior.
I have it on good authority that the rectangular bulge was caused by an unsecured plate covering the battery pack supplying power to his brain.
This would account for those moments when he appeared to be shorting out or experiencing sensations unconnected with his immediate environment: his power supply was intermittent due to the dislodged plate.
/
Alright...I'm all finished my Photochopping mastapiece!
Yosemite Bush and Bugs Kerry at the Debate
Thanks to Miranda and aReader for the suggestions that put this in my head. 
"If someone can show me a reasonable explanation for why he started answers with halting, stuttering and stalling and then launched into a stream of shit, then I'm willing to listen. But it's going to have to be good."
Tena I agree with you but I still come back to the feeling that he is an alcoholic that has never received treatment. He has been isolated for 4 years from any and all tough interviews and questions. I think the simple truth is that he may be just easy to rattle. If he is being prompted why is he doing so badly?
An objective look at the video shows that the voice is simply Bush's voice in some type of feedback loop.
Wrong. But you keep spinning.
And best to Unka Karl!
Wow. Frightened trolls. Now I'm even more convinced that there may be a there there.
Bush may have had an earpiece, but there's no reason for any part of it to be strapped obviously to his back.
Fortunately Kerry has the good sense not to jump on this like some of these other boneheads before he checks the facts.
Guess what? It's not about whether these charges are true or not.
This is about smearing Bush personally and planting the seed of doubt by spreading this rumor around -- and I'm all for it.
Unfair? You bet. Nasty? Of course. A good idea? Definitely.
If the Dems can't be objective and stop allowing their chain to get yanked by the puppeteers they're going to end up getting Kerry discredited like Rather.
Confirmation: the brownshirts are scared shitless of this.
Wouldn't there have to be a tiny earpiece in one of his ears? I looked real close last night and all I could see was light from the other side...
It's not about whether these charges are true or not.
This is about smearing Bush personally and planting the seed of doubt by spreading this rumor around -- and I'm all for it.
Bingo. Count me in.
Though the outraged sputtering this rumor is generating makes me think there actually is something to it...
Thanks, Anonymous. We aren't going to get anywhere with this. There is too much work to do to spend time and energy on this kind of speculation. And if he is wired, so what? Is that going to lose a single mainstream vote? I don't think so.
Wow Anon, you make it sound as if a bunch of people talking on a comment thread are endangering all that is good and holy.
I don't know if I'm up to having that kind of responsibility.
The voice was described elewhere as somewhat western sounding and slightly bored. Not like Karl Rove. It would have to be someone who could think much quicker on his feet than Dumbya, and have a reasonably good command of a relatively wide range of facts-also unlike the Chimpster.
So let's see, much smarter than Shrub, seen it all, faint western accent.
...Why that could only be one person...THE REAL PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES...DICK CHENEY!!!!
BTW, long time, no see, Bing!
Bing - Well, I often think too much is made of Bush's alcoholism as an explanation for every damn thing he fucks up. But that's beside the point. About 2/3 of the way through the debate last night, I said: "he's wired." And I will stand by it. I'm not one to jump on crazy theories, but he would start out as Bush - stammer, stutter, say something for time and then suddenly, I mean suddenly, he'd just deliver an unbroken stream of talking points. It was very obvious to me.
I'm serious. This man is the Commander in Chief of the most advanced military in the world. You don't think he could get a hold of a reciever that would be undetectable upon a cursory visual inspection?
He may have had an earpiece, but the rectangle is poor evidence for it.
Warning to the unobjective : You are being setup for a fall.
Warning to the professional shills: In spite of your best efforts to the contrary, the Chimperor has no clothes.
Wouldn't there have to be a tiny earpiece in one of his ears? I looked real close last night and all I could see was light from the other side
I read an interview with a bug expert somewhere and he says the good models are implanted inside the ear canal.
Barry Champlain:
When I said I wrote the script i meant the transcript that i printed, from listening the clip over and over and over. Of course I'm just an armchair reader like you. Doh!
but a lot of people think when they hear that clip that the voice and bush are saying the same things so it is an electronic echo. It is not.
Sorry for the misunderstanding, if I could edit holocrap comments to remove the suggestion i was deep throat, i would have.
If you people don't stop talking about this, all of the puppies in the world will die.
Jesse,
You're probably long gone, but in response to this:
"Labeling John Kerry, Democrats and Democratic supporters the same way you'd label a terrorist is not a way to unite people, Mr. Bush. It's not how a president is supposed to carry himself. You and your handlers have shown yourselves to be lacking in proper respect and dignity. The office of the presidency is bigger than you, Mr. Bush. I hope you realize that on your long bus ride back to Crawford."
This IS precisely the GOP strategy, that's why they use the likes of Savage/Limbaugh who call liberals terrorists without blinking. This is why the Democrats are so incredibly outgunned against an enemy that not only wants to win, but needs to annihilate the enemy to win. It comes from that freak Horowitz, and his pamplet called something like "The art of political war."
It's not about country. It's about party. Period. The Dems just can't believe it, and it's hurt them. The Europeans smelled it from a mile away, because they've smelled it before. A smell you don't quickly forget.
That's why we have neighbor against neighbor and family member against family member. We're not all pulling in one direction anymore. We're pulling apart. Just how the GOP likes it.
Wouldn't there have to be a tiny earpiece in one of his ears?
Apparently, the way these things are designed these days is the "speaker" is placed close to the collarbone, where the body's bone structure acts as a megaphone to the ear...
can somebody see that this was another man at the 2nd debate
or all you are blind
CNN Poll mentioned earlier is not doing well for Kerry at all.
-Anonymous
I hit it a couple of times and it didn't record my vote.
can somebody see that this was another man at the 2nd debate
or all you are blind
Well Tena you may be right. But I doubt very much that they would have wired him with a large square object on his upper back. He has access to the best spy toys in the world. I still feel that the picture shows a kevlar vest. They can make these vests very thin now. The body armor used by troops is very different. I don't think any denial by his people means anything.
Though the outraged sputtering this rumor is generating makes me think there actually is something to it...
Agreed.
I'm about 50/50 on the Killian memos being planted by one of Rove's surrogates. I find it remarkable that that guy on FreeRepublic "Buckhead," who turned out to be a paid GOP hack, zeroed in on "proportional font spacing" of all things within 30 minutes of the 60 Minutes airing.
I don't put anything past Rove.
And I am more than willing to go down in the gutter to beat Bush. So fuck them. Bush is wired.
After all the "it's hard work" and "let me finish" crap, I've taken to referring to our Dear Leader as the Whimperor instead of the Chimperor. It has the added benefit of beginning with W.
ot, but favorite quote from last nite:
"When a drug comes in from Canada, I wanna make sure it cures ya, not kill ya. ... And what my worry is is that, you know, it looks like it's from Canada, and it might be from a Third World."
he's such a fucking idiot.
We aren't going to get anywhere with this. There is too much work to do to spend time and energy on this kind of speculation.
Well, Unka Karl had to assign a couple of his brownshirts to run interference on it here. To me, that's worth the minimal trouble we've gone through.
And the rumor's appearing in "mainstream" publications. More resources diverted from the re-election campaign into damage control. Ha ha!
jon: hair color? The bulge picture makes him look like a haggard Nixon.
Robotics was perfected to some degree with Reagan. Unfortunately it was mostly tube technology (Nancy liked the big long ones). Bush was yanked out of his National Guard unit because he was brain dead from alcohol and becoming an embarrassment to his family. He then got fitted with enough bionic shit to get him to work a few days a week. If the DNC had had any sense they would have had him go through a metal detector.
Apparently, the way these things are designed these days is the "speaker" is placed close to the collarbone, where the body's bone structure acts as a megaphone to the ear...
And it's been around for thirty years!
BTW, anyone else watching "Dr. Strangelove" on TCM right now?
I watched a replay of the debate last night and if you watch Little Boy Bush while Kerry is speaking, he just kind of stares off into space with his head slightly cocked. Now, if you're debating someone on national television and your job as PRESIDENT OF THE U.S. is on the line, wouldn't you be listening real close to what your opponent is saying?
Does anyone have the exact words Bush uttered about the FARM economy being great? My farm friends and I about fell over when we heard that one. It was mixed in with a confused defensive rant of Bush's and I want to be sure I heard him correctly. This is potentially a big lie and disconnect with reality in rural America. I don't know if urban people realize how much the price of oil impacts the cost of production of their food but I know farmers and rural people do. Now I know farmers are a small percent of the voters but a large number of rural people farm after work or are affected by the farm economy. This is crazy if Bush said what I think he did. The farm economy is never good and right now it is terrible.
Quote anyone?
I'm totally objective about this - I am basing my position on it on Bush himself and the way he comported himself last night. Something very strange was going on. I know Bush is more than capable of giving a stump speech in a Town Hall setting and I didn't go into the debate last night thinking that he was wired. It was the way that things happened that has completely convinced me that he was being fed information. I just don't see another explanation for what I was seeing and hearing.
About the transmitter being on his box. It occurs to me that when they put it on him and he stood up straight then did a little twirl for his handlers, they didn't see then.
They didn't plan on the contingency that Bush would slump forward and hunch over the podium in a pout when he was actually criticized in the debate. They also believed they had better control over where the cameras would be and when during the debate than they did.
And finally, because the device was wireless, it may have needed to be as close as possible to the receiver to get a clear signal.
I don't think this is the most important thing, and was an early nay-sayer. But, they first response was that the picture was doctored, followed by what box? I don't see a box. Which says to me he was wired.
I'm all out of tinfoil.
Dave,
I'm not a Bush supporter. I'm a Kerry supporter worried that some of you can't be objective and keep buying into disinformation campaigns by BushCo to discredit you. If you are going to claim Bush is being read lines thru an earpiece then PROVE it.
www.rense.com is a UFO site. Period. Go there and look for yourself! And now your cause has been linked to it on multiple web sites and in connection with dailykos.com. If you don't understand where this is going then you are naive.
Bush has probably used an earpiece many times... but in order to taint the whole subject it is being associated with a UFO/BIGFOOT/MARTIANS site.
At some point when the stink gets big enough all the Repubs have to do is point to rense.com to discredit the whole thing in the public's eye.
Kerry is a smart man and won't touch it unless he knows the truth.
So the official denial is now on the record.
Ooooooh! Bush "officially denied" being mic'ed? Well that settles it!
Every word coming out of the White House is a lie, including "and" and "the."
"can somebody see that this was another man at the 2nd debate
or all you are blind"
-jon
My point exactly. Bush had help last night that he didn't receive during his previous debate. Prep my ass.
What is Kos doing linking to Rense? He's smarter than that.
My point exactly. Bush had help last night that he didn't receive during his previous debate. Prep my ass.
help? my money is on coke, speed, or ritalin. or the man is just bipolar.
I'm not a Bush supporter
Zzzzzzzzzzz . . .
www.rense.com is a UFO site. Period.
The New York Times is not.
The White House straight up lied to Blumiller in that article. Twice/. First, they said the bulge wasn't there, that it had been Photoshopped. Then they claimed that it was a "rumple" in the cloth. Which plainly makes no sense. They're hiding something, like the had something to hide about Iraq, WMD, Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, McCain in South Carolina, Medicare, the "Mission Accomplished" banner and a million other things. These people lie about everything. Why should anyone give them the benefit of the doubt now?
I'm a Kerry supporter worried that some of you can't be objective and keep buying into disinformation campaigns by BushCo to discredit you.
No one's "buying into" it - it's all about forcing Unka Karl to waste time and resources denying a pesky story that keeps popping up like a mole in a game of "Whack-a-Mole."
I don't give a shit about rense.com, whatever the fuck that is - I care about this story appearing in the Times, and Salon, and anywhere else it can turn up, along with detailed pictures of the mystery bulge.
We all know the US mainstream media is lame so Kerry will personally drive home the point of what's really going with Bush 
Kerry Drives "FURIOUS GEORGE" Meme
I'm with VictoriaB on this one: the bottom line is, if Smirk's trying to cheat, let's hope that he does it again!
This exercise is a waste of time that makes us look as desperate as the fucking freepers arguing over kerning and superscripts. I'm not saying it isn't possible, or even likely; these guys would rape their own mothers to hold onto power another day. I'm just sayin': let's put our energy into getting the motherfuckers out, and then let the investigations begin! That's when we'll be able to prove a ton of this shit that the sheeple and the 4th Estate bobbleheads will never believe by Nov. 2.
To the Hague, bitches!
Oops.
That was meant to be about the transmittor on his BACK, not his box.
Jeesh, what would Freud say?
The voice on the Chirac video does sound like Bush's voice--but the voices don't say the same thing. When I watched the video, the Voice came first, and Bush was repeating after it--and at the point cited by the first anonymous above, Bush skips a phrase and then goes back and adds it in.
It could be that Bush recorded his own speech ahead of time and had it played back to him--but there's no doubt he's being fed his lines, by whatever means.
The quote from the Reuters editor at Is Bush Wired? makes it clear that the media has known about this all along, and has, as in so many other things, failed to call him on it.
Those of you with TiVo or VCRs who want to check this out, there's another alleged sighting of contraband wiring from last night's debate. This post describes the incident, but doesn't have the video linked.
Around 30 minutes into the debate, she says she spotted a black wire under Bush's tie as he adjusted it. If any of you still have a recording of the debate, take a look and let us know what you think . . .
Well, I'm no pro shill, I'm jes sayin that if he's found out to be wired, it would be a big yawn outside the left blogosphere, like the AWOL story, which has far more documentation.
Kerry can win whether the bumbling moron is wired or not. Meanwhile there are editors to write, reporters and anchors just waiting for us to point out that Bush has a hair-trigger temper with his finger on the nuke button.
Meanwhile, there are door *on which* to knock, there are get out the vote drives, there are news clipping teams, there are poll monitoring teams, there are ads to run, there are congress critters starving for a few good wo/men to help out with taking this government back.
If my bushie-loving family memebers found out their king was wired, they would shrug. However, those temper tantrums on VIDEO TAPE give them pause.
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Dave is correct-too much of this borders on the UFO nonsense.
We were watching last night on a fairly large flatscreen TV and it looked like there was a wire under his jacket. We noticed it repeatedly through the debate, so I don't think it was "bunching." Weird.
Does anyone have the exact words Bush uttered about the FARM economy being great?
This?
We've been through a lot together as a country. Been through a recession, corporate scandals, war. And yet think about where we are: added 1.9 million new jobs for the past 13 months. The farm income in America's high. Small businesses are flourishing. Home ownership rate is at an all-time high in America. We're on the move.
in? is?
I think it's perfectly okay to run with this for a while. Remember how the other side tried to get mileage out of Kerry's "crib sheet" at the first debate? If having some written notes is considered unethical, then being wired would be, what... a capital offense?
And, of course, we want Dem spokesmen on TV shaking their heads sadly and intoning "we just don't know!"
OT, but good to know our campaign to get the Times to correct the Wilgoren/Keller article from Thursday actually worked:
Dear ******,
Thank you for the message.
I include below a correction The Times printed regarding your concern.
http://www.nytimes.com/ref/
pageo...orrections.html
Corrections
Published: October 9, 2004
An article on Thursday about the place of religion in the presidential campaign misstated the results of a Pew poll last weekend that showed President Bush favored over Senator John Kerry among white Roman Catholics. The showing was 49 percent to 33 percent in that group, not 40 percent to 33 percent. The article also drew a flawed comparison between the recent poll and the actual balloting in previous races. An October 2000 poll showed that white Catholics favored Al Gore over Mr. Bush by 44 percent to 42 percent. (Comparisons with presidential election results from 1960, 1996 and 2000 were invalid because those results reflected the votes of all Catholics, not just whites.) (Go to Article)
Thanks for writing.
Sincerely,
Arthur Bovino
Office of the Public Editor
The New York Times
At 01:17 PM 10/7/2004, you wrote:
Dear Mr. Orkent:
Apparently the New York Times needs to be reminded -- repeatedly -- that journalism is not a "close-is-good-enough" profession.
Ms. Wilgoren, who has embarrassed your paper and her profession by her sloppy coverage of the Kerry campaign has done it again, comparing apples and oranges by contrasting Kerry's current support among white Catholics with Al Gore's exit poll support from all Catholics on election day in 2000.
Wow. And this time she even had Executive Editor Bill Keller helping on her report . . . Perhaps if the Times executive editor's standards were higher, they would "trickle down" to reporters on staff.
I hope that standards regarding corrections and retractions are still such that the Times will at least inform readers that it has made yet another mistake.
Sincerely,
*****
Actually, regarding the video, if the video is being played back on a recorder that has both a playback head and a recorder head, it is possible to hear a split-second pre-aural crosstalk on audio or videotape.
Hey Dave,
You should care about your cause being linked to www.rense.com. Maybe you're a troll.
If Kerry took his coat off in the last debate, right at the beginning, what would Bush do? If he were wired?
Jesse, very good point.
And, nobody seems to mention that Bin Laden can hide, because GWB hasn't caught him.
Republican Operatives Have Turned The CNN Poll!!!!!!
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLIT...main/
index.html
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!URGENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Absolutely - once they start denying something, then by god, you know it's true.
And please. Anonymous, define "objective." I've already said my position on this is objective. It is based on the evidence of my eyes and ears. It is completely based on his performance - his delivery. It has nothing to do with how I feel about Bush or who I'm supporting in the election. It is completely based on what I saw and heard.
And now we have a picture of Bush as Captain Queeg, ball bearings and all.
Meanwhile, there are door *on which* to knock, there are get out the vote drives, there are news clipping teams, there are poll monitoring teams, there are ads to run, there are congress critters starving for a few good wo/men to help out with taking this government back.
Well put.
But ya gotta have a little fun...
If someone can show me a reasonable explanation for why he started answers with halting, stuttering and stalling and then launched into a stream of shit, then I'm willing to listen.
This was more pronounced in the first debate, when Bush goes, "Let me finish!" TO NO ONE IN PARTICULAR.
With all the subsequent snark about that particular Bush embarassment, the idea of him forgetting that he was actually answering back to a phantom earpiece voice, puts it all into perspective... DOESN'T IT?
Last night, I watched the debate about 15-20 feet away from a giant screen (at Crobar in NYC, during the Air America broadcast). I actually was making an effort to look for the earpiece! What I observed: Bush's right ear (on the viewer's LEFT) appeared to have some depth and darkness, as an ear canal would.
His other ear, on our RIGHT, appeared to be more flesh-colored, and to be reflecting more light than the other one. And there was no way, in that format, for him to have kept an "incriminating" ear faced away from the camera. But there were no closups which might confirm an earpiece (I asked my neighbors if they could see an earpiece, but I just got assorted "mmmfwf?"'s).
I guess the difference between me and the Kerry campaign is that I would have ASSUMED that all this evidence of an earpiece is real. There was enough lead time so that a talented tech geek with an official job that would grant him access to the debate could have swept the airwaves in the first debate for every IFB frequency in the room.
Now, in the SECOND debate, it would have been a piece of cake to bury in any legitimate piece of sound equipment a circuit that would have produced RF on the same IFB frequency. The possibilities are endless: you could blank out chimp's prompts from Rove or whomever, transmit quick bursts of overmodulated square waves (OUCH! EeeeYAHHH!), or added a few "prompts" of your own ("You lying, smirking little coked-up, warmongering sonofabitch son of privilege, YOU'RE GOING DOWN, you drawling puke!!!").
The beauty of this is, if the Kerry camp got busted... so what?!? Bush would get busted first, for wearing the fucking thing in the first place! And boy howdy, would the sight of W holding his ear in pain, looking enraged and tossing an earpiece at the moderator would have been a timeless internet video classic!!
(Have we heard back from "anon", yet?)
Jonah Goldberg at The Corner, the National Review's discussion forum says that none of the crowd at the debates laughed at any of Kerry's jokes.......but then observes that Kerry didn't make any jokes.
I saw Bush winking twice on yesterdays debate. Maybe that was signal to Karen Huge that wire is working smoothly.
Or perhaps they were playing him some western soundtrack classics like Bonanza theme to keep him focused.
Well, I'm no pro shill, I'm jes sayin that if he's found out to be wired, it would be a big yawn outside the left blogosphere
I don't know. It plays straight into the perception that he's a puppet, just like Carter's "killer rabbit" episode served as a metaphor for his foreign policy. I think it will resonate with the public
It would be fully wireless, folks.
I don't know about the first debate, but the yahoo photo someone cited above,
http://tinyurl.com/5ow7u, is definitely a bulletproof vest. Follow the line of his coat down from his neck; you can see the square neck opening, you can see the shoulder pieces.
I suppose they lie about because the SS wants people aiming for the chest and not the head.
I saw the press conference in France live on CNNi (my gut tells me it was on the morning of the day that Reagan died, though I can't be certain) and the 'pre-echo' was just as the clip shows it. I thought for the first couple of minutes that it was a technical thing, but realised that it wasn't a precise echo of what the Chimp was saying...
He had an earpiece that day, ostensibly for translation.
Shrub was very self-conscious about his mouth and bite: maybe he was wearing a false tooth as a receiver, using bone conduction to pick up the sound!
f Kerry took his coat off in the last debate, right at the beginning, what would Bush do? If he were wired?
pie | Email | Homepage | 10.09.04 - 5:26 pm | #
Get someone to turn off the air-conditioning for the next one, so it's hot and stuffy. Watch what happens.
I like it.
"The voice on the Chirac video does sound like Bush's voice"
-Leslie in CA
I don't think so. The first voice sounds older and almost presidential (Cheneyish). The second voice which the video lips match is the lithium voice we usually hear from Bush Jr.
Great! Pie
I suppose they lie about because the SS wants people aiming for the chest and not the head.
The head's empty. Not a good target.
You should care about your cause being linked to www.rense.com. Maybe you're a troll.
Hey troll,
Like you should care about your cause being bankrolled by the rev. Moon?
I voted for Kerry in the CNN poll and when I hit "refresh" the circle for President Bush was filled in.
One more thing to recall.
Just about everyone described Karen Hughes as furious after the first debate. She was not the cool bitch you see on the talk shows, all spin, all the time. Rather, she was uncontrollably angry (seems to be in the wheaties with these guys).
I thought then that Hughes was angry at Fox for having provided the split screen. Realistically, that is what lost Bush the debate, people seeing smirky chimp in all his glory.
Note, too, that the next day was when Fox started publishing faux stories (well, I mean deliverately false ones). So that could have been payback, Fox trying to make it up to Karen.
But if Karen realized, too, that they had filmed from behind, revealing Bush's hardware (no, not his wood, sillies, his functional hardware), then she would be really really furious. It's bad enough that Fox might have cost Bush the election because of the split screen--but if they also give us the evidence that there is no wizard behind the curtain, it will be huge.
didn't millie minielly get fired for this kinda thing?
Jonah Goldberg ... says that none of the crowd at the debates laughed at any of Kerry's jokes.......but then observes that Kerry didn't make any jokes.
Yeah. The part that he is thinking but dare not say is that those disloyal, America-hating bastards didn't clap and cheer during Chimpy's applause breaks either.
Tena's right, though. He's usually not paying attention to Kerry. He's very deliberately making notes (though not minding what his opponent is saying!) and fooling with his teeth.
Tena,
In the first debate it appears GWB is totally off the mark compared with his performance last night. That make's me think he might have been wired when you consider that pic with the thing on his back. That being said, I played those online video tapes at home a million times last night and wrote down what Bush said and what the voice said. And they each seem to say the same thing in the same way. Very hard to do for 2-3 minutes straight. It is bush's voice saying the same thing. The question is whether or not it is a red herring thrown out to discredit the recent talk about what was going on with GWB on the first debate.
Be objective or pay the price.
Think about what happened with Rather's story? Whether or not it had truth to it or not it has been discredited in the public's eye because someone couldn't get the facts straight.
Can't anyone find the type of audio transmission equipment that would match the physical properties of the "bulge"?
Bush may have had an earpiece, but there's no reason for any part of it to be strapped obviously to his back.
Spy movies to the contrary, receivers and battery packs (especially batteries that have to last in continuous use for some time) do still have to have a bit of size.
Especially two-piece units with a wireless earpiece. The main unit has to be a receiver and a transmitter, which require a larger unit.
Now, odds are that it was something innocuous like odd lighting catching a fold of the jacket the right (wrong?) way, but I can see reasons why, especially on a debate with a lot of up-and-down sitting and standing, you'd go for a back mount. I wear a radio and/or a pager because I'm on a volunteer fire department/ambulance unit and you are always aware the radio is there, especially if you aren't used to wearing it on your belt. There's a natural urge to keep touching it to make sure it's still in place, especially when getting up and sitting down.
If it's on your belt in front, it can be seen if you open your jacket. If it's in back far enough so that isn't a risk, then it's in the small of your back. A nice, secure place to keep it out of sight is on a harness higher on your back. It doesn't interfere with natural motion and is still out of sight if you open your jacket.
Like I said. it's more likely a trick of light. But there's one way to make sure. When Kerry and Bush shake hands in the next debate, Kerry should give Bush one of those manly pats on the back between the shoulder blades.
If President Maverick McFlightsuit reacts like he's a vampire suddenly introduced to a crucifix, he's busted.
Bing Crosby--several self-professed Kevlar experts have posted that it's not a vest.
However, one plausible theory is that it's a back brace. Someone over at dKos posted a pic of Bush in his pickup, in a t-shirt, and there appeared to be something under his shirt at the same approximate place. So maybe he has back problems, and they don't want word to get out. This would also fit in with his postponing his annual physical until after the election.
But even if the bulge is a back brace, I think there's still abundant evidence that he uses a wire. It just means he has more than one secret--hardly surprising.
peon--I don't have a recording of the debate, but I know the moment you're talking about--and Bush definitely said, "The farm economy is doing great" (or "wonderful" or an equivalent word).
patriotboy, Kos himself didn't link to Rense, only to the Salon story. But Is Bush Wired? links to Rense, and some of the diaries at dKos also did.
Bing - Where did I say the bump in the first debate was part of the apparatus? I didn't. I'm not at all convinced that that is so. I think it is wireless and far less detectable. But based on Bush's performance last night, I believe he is being fed answers. It was just plain as day to me.
Read the Salon article. The expert explains what it could be.
Maybe it's a medical device.
Maybe the Kerry campaign knew about the wire and interfered with the feed, leaving a frustrated Pres.
Anonymous - what price? You make a lot of broad statements: "be objective or pay the price." What price? And you still have not defined objective for me. I am waiting.
BTW, anyone else watching "Dr. Strangelove" on TCM right now?
Missed it: didn't Edwards give the introduction? I'd want to hear that...
Prosthetic ear or tooth. It has to be invisible to visual inspection because Kerry and several other opponents will be within a few feet of him. Kerry patted him on the back last night.
It wouldn't need to transmit--there was an entire crew of camera and sound people taking care of that.
"Be objective or pay the price."
-Anonymous
Who are you? Alan Colmes?
A in NC,
I just found it. Too bad it's almost over.
Actually, mein Fuhrer, we must...err, I mean Mr. President...
Be calm, cool, collected and objective like Kerry or be led around like a fool and end up getting discredited (think Dean, Rather).
That's all.
More Tinfoil Hat Mania
http://community.democrats.com/f...&
topicid=139646
Enjoy
From Salon:
So what was it? Jacob McKenna, a spyware expert and the owner of the Spy Store, a high-tech surveillance shop in Spokane, Wash., looked at the Bush image on his computer monitor. "There's certainly something on his back, and it appears to be electronic," he said. McKenna said that, given its shape, the bulge could be the inductor portion of a two-way push-to-talk system. McKenna noted that such a system makes use of a tiny microchip-based earplug radio that is pushed way down into the ear canal, where it is virtually invisible. He also said a weak signal could be scrambled and be undetected by another broadcaster.
I watched it Thursday night. I missed Edwards introducing the movie, but he was on again at the end for a short discussion with the host.
who is going to discredit me? Are you barking mad? I'm stating my opinion about this on a comment thread. I'm not Dan Rather. I don't have broadcasting standards that I have to live up to. I'm just me and I have every right to my opinion on this. My opinion, based on what I saw and heard last night is that Bush is being fed answers.
what is your problem? Worried that people are getting a little close to the truth?
www.rense.com is a UFO site. Period. Anon said :Go there and look for yourself! And now your cause has been linked to it on multiple web sites and in connection with dailykos.com. If you don't understand where this is going then you are naive.
Bush has probably used an earpiece many times... but in order to taint the whole subject it is being associated with a UFO/BIGFOOT/MARTIANS site.
You doth protest too much.
The simple fact the the story HAS been linked to a non-credible UFO site is further evidence of a Rovian hand in the mix.
geez anon, if you are not a shill then you have really missed the point.
bad news for Bonzo is simply bad news for Bonzo,.,,
This is not a setup by Rove ,,, it's clear Bushco didn't want to get caught with this, Why would they? It doesn't fit with the game plan.
Now they are back peddling and trying to find a way out... so they go to Rovian Rule #1 - smear the messenger.
So, if you are not a shill , get with the program,
ATTACK,,Don't get paralized by the Rovian Fear.
I missed Edwards introducing the movie...
Well, you didn't miss much. I mean, what's he gonna say?
It just finished up an engagement on the big screen in SF, so it might be coming to a rep house near you (I hear the full-length "Heaven's Gate" is coming around soon, too).
Rove is whispering the answers to him
Rove = Chimp Whisperer ***
*** credit: Holden
I want to see President Earpiece jammed during the next debate.
Hilarity ensues!
Wouldn't the people sitting behind Bush at the debate have gotten a good look at his back?
John Kerry patted him on the back. He certainly would have felt something. Bush is vewry often in shirtsleeves at his campaign stops, and he certainly doesn't wear anything. Why is it necessary at the debates?
what is your problem? Worried that people are getting a little close to the truth?
Bingo.
Remember kids - it's all about making them deny it.
And getting pictures of the mystery bulge as widely disseminated as possible.
At the very end John King is shaking his head in a disbelieving manner. What is that about?
It plays straight into the perception that he's a puppet, just like Carter's "killer rabbit" episode served as a metaphor for his foreign policy. I think it will resonate with the public
-patriotboy
You may be right, patriotboy; I gauge the inexplicably pro-bush positions on a colleague who in every other way but this is a lovely lovely person, and an acquaintance who is an o'neill-like vet. more chance to change my one colleagues vote, and the wired thing wouldn't phase her at all.
After all, they had to rationalize prison torture, massive budger deficits, intelligence failures, hemorrhaging jobs, lies about iraq and wmds, and the character assassinations for trusted public servants. This wired thing wouldn't faze them a bit.
John Kerry patted him on the back. He certainly would have felt something
I thought it was a subtle frisking.
Ever been with someone thats wearing a pair of headphones and realize they're yelling at you because (to them) they've got to speak OVER the incoming sound to be heard - even though YOU can't hear the sound at all... hmm.... one more nail in another vampires coffin...
Time for the Kerry campaign to invest in jamming equipment. Or figure out how to overpower the signal and substitute there own lines to feed to Bush.
Tena,
Don't have a cow. It wasn't personal. You can believe in UFOs, aliens, martians, bigfoot, whatever and you are under no obligation to prove the existence of any of this crap to anyone.
Peace all and beware of trolls in Dem clothing!
'Need some wood?"
"No thank, asshole - my name's not Putin or Blair?"
Well Bush was sure yelling last night. I half expected the audience to rare back in their seats. Every time he talked he got louder and louder. I don't know if he was yelling over the voices in his ear, but he was definitely yelling.
Or figure out how to overpower the signal and substitute there own lines to feed to Bush.
"Jesus Christ strung up by the Jews, you're damn right I'm an illiterate redneck. Tell your daughter to have an abortion, I am converting to Islam."
If the Kerry campaign believes that Bush was wired, and they want to take advantage of that, I suspect that we will see something happen in the last debate.
It has always seemed that Kerry just wants to be the grownup, explain his positions to the people as best he can, and stay above the fray and the conspiracy theories.
I, for one, love that about him. But I would like to see that moron Bush trip up, because his campaign has been run exactly the opposite of Kerry's. He's an immature coward who has to cheat to have any chance of winning.
Loathsome.
You can believe in UFOs, aliens, martians, bigfoot, whatever and you are under no obligation to prove the existence of any of this crap to anyone.
You forgot Iraqi WsMD.
"There's certainly something on his back, and it appears to be electronic," he said.
Oh, my timfoil hat is dancing a jig over there in it's little Faraday Cage, but.....WTF?
OK, I have a lump on this plate here. It is a lump of mashed potatos. Does it look electronic? No? Hmmmm, how about if I stuff this old BIOS chip in it, and an old AAA battery. There! Now it looks electronic, right? I mean, it must! It is!
OK, I would love to be wrong as all shit on this, and maybe I am, but I just can't see the Bushites being that slipshod. Arrogant, evil, wrong as can be, yes. But this is amateur hour, of it's really a wire.
That they're lying about it isn't really a surprise; they'd lie about the time & date if they felt like it.
Oh, well, stay tuned...
Yah, and you would just end this by saying "Believe in Martians," as if believing that Bush is wired is akin to believing in Martians. Cute, Anonymous. That's an old trick and a stupid one.
There is a world of difference between believing in Martians and believing that Bush is being fed answers.
Anyone who comments under the handle "Anonymous" has no business telling other people to "beware of trolls."
It's not about whether these charges are true or not.
This is about smearing Bush personally and planting the seed of doubt by spreading this rumor around -- and I'm all for it.
Count me in too.
Have now listened to the debate three times. First time I thought the chimp did okay, not good, but not bad. Then I listened on the internet (thanks to White Rose Society which archives Mike Malloy for those of us who have to get up too early in the morning)and started to squirm each he opened his mouth. By the third time on tv, the guy just sounded demented.
Peace all and beware of trolls in Dem clothing!
-Anonymous
Oh yea, and one more thing. Ask yourself who broke the rules and shot the pool footage of Bush from the back that shows this box thing which started this whole crap conspiracy:
Fox News.
Real big Kerry supporters.
I still say it reeks of a setup.
Peace.
Given the repeated rumors about his bad back and his evident tendency to slouch, the best guess is that the bump is due to something like:
http://www.orthopedicquestions.c...re-
clavicle.htm
or
http://www.orthopedicquestions.c...ooknloop-
bg.jpg
Either of these could account for both the bulge and the "wire" curving up the back, which is just a shoulder strap.
A well-fitted suit and custom Kevlar vest would not crumple like that, and even with the assumption that the earpiece is the product of a small circle of staff, without the help of the NSA or CIA, the bulge is ludicrously large and misplaced.
President Codpiece. President Earpiece.
Worst. Bionic. President. Ever.
I watched debate #2 again on CNN today and I was converted from not believing the rumors to real suspicion. #1: in raking light, when the camera angle is right, you can sometimes see what appears to be a lump beneath Bush's suit, between his shoulder blades, several times. #2: you can see what appears to be the outline of a wire snaking down from that same area and toward his left side, again, throughout the debate. A picture from the debate in today's Washington Post (bottom of page A21) seems to show this wire and also the indistinct outline of something mid-back. My wife saw the outline of a wire snaking down from the left shoulder blade, very clearly, several times. #3: in reaction shots, Bush frequently looked off, distractedly, and blinked rapidly, pursed his lips, and seemed to focus on something. Admittedly I can't be certain that this adds up to anything. But if the media doesn't look into something this potentially outrageous - well, I guess that wouldn't be too surprising. They sure as hell should look into it, though, and I hope that after today's NYTimes article that someone can be convinced to review the tapes and do a follow-up. Atrios?
I still say it reeks of a setup.
Peace.
Anonymous
Please...if you can...
explain the purpose of the "setup"
I can't think of one good reason to create this kind of mess at this kind of time.
your turn anon
To determine whether the "two" voices are from the same person or are those of two people: can anybody use the various voice diagnostic tools used by police departments etc. to check this? The results could settle this issue, no doubt. Any techie bloggers out there with access to the tapes and to such technology?
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
Josh Marshall says the NYT is on the case
"Please...if you can...
explain the purpose of the "setup""
To draw attention away from Kerry's gains on the stuff that matters and then yank the carpet out from beneath the conspiracy by discrediting it. It has already happened (Rather).
And of course that is just piling conspiracy ontop of conspiracy. The whole think reeks.
sgo - No fucking kidding. Why ever would there be a set-up about Bush being wired? That makes not sense - how would that help Bush/hurt Kerry? It wouldn't.
I didn't believe it after the first debate. Now I'm convinced.
What I like about the wired accusation is that no one can disprove it.
And whether Bush's behavior in the debates is due to wireless prompting, alcoholism, or cocaine abuse (recent or historical), every iteration remakes the point that Bush is weak, unstable, prone to cheat, and an altogether piss-poor Commander-In-Chief.
Try again anon,,
That makes no sense,,
how would you "pull the rug' from under them,,?
your turn again
the video is leading the audio in this clip by a fraction of a second. not enough to explain what's being alleged, but enough to indicate that it's been fucked with. I've often seen this kind of violence done to lipsync on video passed through, for example, Adobe Premiere.
I guess it's plausible that Bush is getting audio prompts. What's the big deal? How is this different from a teleprompter?
(BTW charlie gibson's teleprompter was clearly on camera at the end of last night's debate.)
Man that CNN poll is totally been freeped. 41% Kerry , 56% Bush , go out and vote, because the righties sure have been !
I can't think of one good reason to create this kind of mess at this kind of time
why, for the same reason Rove set up the document thing.
so that he could knock it down.
Out of touch with reality, Bush is living in OZ. He's the Scarecrow, Tinman, and Cowardly Lion all rolled into one -- no brain, no heart, no courage.
document thing is different.
that discredits Rather and gets rid of the REAL question of Bush's guard service.
This does nothing but Open a Can of worms,, and doesn't cover any kind of ass at all.
Here is how I see this as a possible setup:
Rather claimed that there was evidence that Bush shirked his national guard duty. Then all of the sudden these magic papers turn up claiming to resolve the entire controversy. Rather is suddenly attacked by everyone including people who were on his side in the beginning. Now he and the papers are discredited and Bush's service is OUT of the news.
***
Some people claim that Bush has been wired on many occasions and people whisper in his ear what to say. Suddenly there is this big noise about CNN tapes that claim to have audio being read to him. Some say it MUST be Cheney. Objective people will come in and say it is Bush's own voice apparently saying EXACTLY the same words in the same way(my opinion). People will complain that everyone got this crap off of UFO sites like Rense.com or whatever or just made it up and it will be discredited and AGAIN OUT OF THE NEWS. Whether or not Bush uses an earpiece to be prompted will be untouchable in the news.
Of course who knows WTF the truth is. Just a thought.
The teleprompter comparison misses the whole point. The debate was not a public stump speech. Two men went head to head, asking voters to judge their character, honesty, record, competence, and ability to protect America in perilous times. If one man - unknown to the voters watching the debate - needed some else to prompt him with answers, does this not reflect on his honesty and his competency? Who are the voters electing - that candidate, or his shadow prompter? If it is a two-for-one deal, should we not know before the votes are cast? Or are voters expected to vote for the Bush/Cheney/Mr X ticket as compared to the Kerry/Edwards ticket?
Theodoric:
"why, for the same reason Rove set up the document thing."
Amen.
That is one of the dumbest rationales I've ever heard. It was very much in Rove's interest to discredit Rather, since Rather had the goods on Dubya's TANG desertion and the goods on the Niger yellowcake documents.
But this? It's just bizarre to imagine the Rove would make it look like Bush was wired on purpose so that someone would say the obvious and then Rove can discredit them. Huh?
Rove bugged his own office in Austin and blamed it on the other side. So, what, Anonymous, you saying Rovester is going to claim that Kerry bugged Bush?
Anon said AGAIN OUT OF THE NEWS. Whether or not Bush uses an earpiece to be prompted will be untouchable in the news.
Nope,, because it wasn't in the News in the first place.
The Theory that it's Rovian Setup is based on a fact not in evidence.
Namely, Before the 1st debate Bush WAS NOT being accussed in any tangible way of being Wired (weird may be). Off kilter ,, yes,, stubborn,, yes,,,stupid ,,,yes,,,but using an ear piece NO,,, (save for the old french story that was long dead long ago,,, it only resurfaced BECAUSE of the HumpBack)
try again Anon, and this time let's try and focus a bit.
Purpose , remember- Rove moves with a purpose...
Tena,
I've made it pretty clear what I thought. Theodoric got it. So why do you keep rewriting the answer and throwing it back at me?
Let me restate it one last time:
It might be possible that you are being setup with a red herring by someone(not necessarily Rove) so that any valid point you may have had can be discredited later. Very simple. Ask Dan Rather.
Agree with those who say the point is to make them deny it.
After all, the point then becomes that a story such as this would never have any chance of being believed if it were about any competent president. Just the fact that it is believable enough that the press will ask the White House about it is the point.
For example, one time I stopped in the corner 7-11 to buy postage stamps from the clerk, an elderly man with whom I was friendly and who was a big time Republican. The stamps had some fantasy spaceship type illustration, so I said to Glen, you know what this is? It's an artist's rendition of what Ronald Reagan envisions the Star Wars system will look like. Really?? says Glen. Well, no, I said, I just made that up. But the fact that you thought that it could possibly be true says it all, doesn't it?
Same thing here.
So how do we get someone to hack into the wire and feed him some new material? You know, like the truth? After all, it worked on Auric Goldfinger:
http://tinyurl.com/5us5u
But Anonymous, if no one brings up the issue, it won't be in the news, anyway - so WTF?
And please, people, find an initial to comment under. I inherently distrust anyone who comments as "Anonymous."
No one can tell if it is the same Anonymous as yesterday; no one can tell if it's the same anonymous as the thread below. And since we've experienced some really dreadful trolling by people calling themselves Anonymous, it just adds to the problem.
Ok, go ahead and make a snarky reply, because invariably all Anonymouses do.
anon again It might be possible that you are being setup with a red herring by someone(not necessarily Rove) so that any valid point you may have had can be discredited later. Very simple.
think man... Think about it.
This implies that BushCo intentionally put a LUMP in his back at the first debate in hopes of getting seen, to thus then claim they had no earpiece to discredit someone?
you have to be kidding me,,,
the other view is much more possible and even probable.
think man for god's sake think,,,
try again,,,
I didn't say it was bad to bring it up in the news. My point is that if you want to nail the story then be damn sure you disconnect the story from UFOs(meaning disinformation) or its gonna get dropped and to the general public it will become a non story.
"We've got a couple of surprises that we intend to spring," says Rove.
Rover says attack your opponents strenght. He has the mind controlled believing Kerry is a traitor. Since Bush's strenght comes from the so called "religious" that was where to strike but we are are afraid.
This has been staring everyone in the face for 25 years and it is ignored.
That link explains why we have these theofascist freaks taking over our country.
It is why even Kerry being elected will only slow our demise.
Yet, no one will talk about.
Oops.
That was meant to be about the transmittor on his BACK, not his box.
Jeesh, what would Freud say?
awab | Email | Homepage | 10.09.04 - 5:24 pm |
-- Let's compromise and say it was in his Bush.
-- That was Data in the first debate; this time it was Lore.
I guess it's plausible that Bush is getting audio prompts. What's the big deal? How is this different from a teleprompter?
Since when were TelePrompters allowed in the debates?
Answer: They weren't.
SGO,
At this point I'm not making the point that I know ANYTHING. My point is that it would be nice that if this story has some legs we don't kill it like the National Guard story by allowing it to get mixed up with "UFOs." That is my only point.
Just an FYI. It is well know that the best way to kill an idea is to link it with another disliked idea. They do this when they slip things into budgets people dislike, and the government does it when they want to lead snoopers off the trail of top secret govt. projects. etc. It's a well worn tactic. Fortunately Kerry is smart enough to see the traps coming in advance.
If Kerry had made a big stink about those NG documents he would absolutely be toast right now.
OT
strange shit here
testing, testing, this is only a test
sorry
Take me to your leader.
As usual, The Rude Pundit has a good, though possibly offensive, take on the entire debate.
Maybe Bush's pre-debate prep consists of Bush pre-recording answers to "healthcare" or "the environment".
The answers are on a CD, and when Rove backstage hears the question, he punches in the number for that issue.
Then Bush just says what comes into his implanted earpiece. He can mute it with a hidden button if he needs to.
I remember seeing the clip in qustion and hearing the words being fed to Bush and at times him messing them up. I thought at the time: wierd. Now I think he's wired and even dumber than ever.
anon,
I understand your position. you beleive that the spin is started to discredit the truth by the Rovian linking of the story to a UFO site.
correct?
I don't dispute that.
our job is to point out how "convenient" that was from that nice Righty site to do that linking.
the base Idea that BushCo wanted this mess to come to the surface is not correct, however BushCo will go thru their standard playbook to knock it down.
Our job is to Attack Back at that Bad Dog Karl
Little Brother - "That was Data in the first debate; this time it was Lore."
LOL, but isn't that being exceptionally unkind to Data?
Anonymous, I haven't even looked at any links that Atrios provided. I haven't looked at rense.com. I'm basing my opinion solely on what I saw and heard.
This has nothing to do with UFOs as far as I'm concerned. But I still fail to see that Rove would make Bush look wired on the off chance that a bunch of UFO buffs would pick it up and go with it. Apply Occam's Razor here - what you are saying is far too complex to make any sense. The simple answer is that Bush is being fed answers. I don't know that that will become a public issue. But I know what I believe.
personally, I think it's a back brace.
But why would the Bush people say that there's NOTHING on his back?
another possibility: anyone ever read Heinlein's THE PUPPETMASTERS?
SGO,
I basically agree. I'm just taking the position that if you want to close the deal you have to be careful not to let the other side be the one yanking your chain.
I just get pissed some times because it seems a good story(like the NG stuff) comes out and then gets killed because someone didn't check the facts and the public once against gets shafted and we never really know what the truth is. I believe that the Rather thing must have been a setup because it was so effective in killing the entire controversy.
Here's what kills the set-up idea. Either Bush was wired or not. The only way to prove it is to prove the apparatus was in place. Once that is proved, there is no more question about it - there can be no set-up. We aren't talking about documents that can be altered. We are talking about something that can only be proved in one way. Therefore, if it is proved, it is proved, if not, then not. But in the meantime, I fail to see where anyone could be discredited for speculating that this is true. It isn't as if an entire theory rests on it - like it does with documents. This is either/or. The TANG documents, not either/or.
To the people who say that voice is Bush's, and it's some sort of strange "feedback" on the video... wouldn't that be feedFORWARD. And I don't think such a thing really happens. We have mystery voice saying A. Followed by Bush, in sync with the video image, saying A.
As far as the bulge, I thought it was a figure 8 brace because he probably broke his collarbone in a bike accident. But I like the hidden wire theory better.
The TANG documents were evidence. The wire is the issue here - see the difference?
The TANG documents were evidence that Bush went AWOL. The wire is evidence that Bush is wired. I doubt that this will be proved one way or the other. I likewise doubt that Kerry or anyone connected with his campaign is going to waste time on it.
But here, at Atrios' house, I think time is well spent on this. As Jennifer points out - the very fact that people could believe this makes a statement.
Tena,
You are completely missing my point:
There may truly be something to the stories about Bush being told what to say in his ear.
My point is that those two videos above do not prove it to me. Maybe we looked at different videos. In the one's I saw, Bush and the Voice appeared to say exactly the same thing but the voice came first. The tone of the voice and timing and everything was the same in my opinion.
Because of irregularity in the audio though, the volume of the voice get louder and then quieter but they say the same things in the same pacing and way. If someone has a video that nails this then please post it.
As for rense.com, I don't think it is a rightwing site linking to it. Just normal sites that haven't checked to see that rense.com is a UFO site. But to an undecided who linked to rense.com it is a turnoff. And having dailykos.com next to rense.com in the same breath may cause them lump them all together.
Tena,
And yes maybe I am taking it too seriously. Just thought I'd be a voice of caution. That's all.
For christ's sake...pick a fucking handle!
I didn't even look at the rense sight or the videos. I am basing my entire position on this - and I've said this maybe 5 times now? - on what I saw and heard last night during the debate.
No bulge, no funky video, no UFO site. Just my perception of what the hell was happening while it was happening.
'sconi:
Feel Better?
Last night Bush didn't seem as jumbled. If he had a wire it would have been in the first debate.
My Bad,,, no right wing linkage the linking of loneyness is from the author himself
http://www.roryoconnor.org/blog/
and it looks like it was just a very poor choice of a secondary URL he picked.
Looks like we may have jumped the Rovian gun here...
not surprising since we have to be so aware and alert for that Bad Dog Karl
loneyness arrgg
loonyness (spelling?)
loonieness (?)
sgo - lunacy; if loonyness just fits better, I think it's up to you how you spell it, if you see what I mean.
Yes, I do feel better. Thank you. I'm sick of all the anons especially if a particular person posts frequently w/o a handle.
Tell you what, Effin (which tells me a whole lot,) let's make a deal. If this subject dies before the election, let's meet here and take it up when it doesn't matter anymore, because I find your entire line of reasoning very -- interesting.
And I do think this will be talked about for at least the next year or so, perhaps. Certainly if the suspicious grows.
So this may be posted in the thread, but I didn't bother looking through all posts...
Yesterday's electoral-vote.com had their own version of the picture. They admit they did enhance with imaging software. What strikes me about it is that the rectangle has a cord running from the top of it to his shoulder. Then another bulge appears which looks like the spiral spring cord that you often see on news anchors and talking heads.
Here
Tena,
Deal.
I just wrote a comment in an older thread -
does anyone else think that they had bush on amphetamines last night ??
he showed all the symptons - aggressive behavior, talkative, jaw clenching ....
"CNN Poll mentioned earlier is not doing well for Kerry at all. No way can the debate I saw last night which was generally given to Kerry be 10 points down even with you guys hitting it, unless Freepers are sweating this bigtime."
Uh, fellow sweating-the-loaders, please chill -- those online polls are essentially meaningless games, no ones give them much credibility. Picture a bunch of repug cyber-nerds sitting in front of their computers picking their noses voting over and over again, as if it made any difference -- pathetic.
What y'all should REALLY be worried about are the "October surprises" Rover Boy is smirking about -- what on earth could he come up with now? Anybody got a guess? I can't afford to lose much more sleep between now and Nov. 2, it's worse than waiting to find out who shot JR!!!!
What is John King frowning and shaking his head about at the end of the clip?
AUDIO ANALYSIS OF THE BUSH VIDEO
So I make music in my spare time, and mess around with digital audio quite a bit. I loaded the Bush video into Vegas Video, put the audio on solo, and rendered it as a wav. I took that and loaded into the sound forge and and checked out the waveform.
My initial guess was that the effect is what you might call a slap-back preverb. This is a time of reverb with an early delay. Easy enough to do on purpose in a studio, and easy enough to trigger by glitch at CNN.
If this were true, the wave forms for the repeating words should appear in identitical shape and in perfect symetry based on the duration of the pre-delay. But they are not. The shape of the wave forms are extremely different on "security", "parameters", and "co-operation".
And before you say distortion - Distortion does occur here, and appears like a fuzz of hair on the preverb waveforms. Distortion makes lots of linear marks, waveforms are big and organic.
I'm positive the distorted voice is Bush's. But I am also fairly sure it is not an audio artifact or glitch, and recorded at a different time.
Given Strange and the best argument against offered by somebody (theodoric?), it appears uncontested that Bush, rather than receiving "live" instructions from, say, Cheney's cave, could easily have pre-recorded his answers (compare foreign language students tape-recording themselves) and have been going off his own practice. Someone might object that this presupposes Bush knew what the questions would be, but it does not: Bush's strategy (and indeed the Republican SOP going back long before him) has been to recite meaningless talking points that do not actually answer the question. He has stock phrases and might need at most a little selection from Cheney's cave of which stock response to go off of, but he certainly would not and did not tailor his responses.
He's very deliberately making notes
One of his "note taking" exercises was visibly nothing more than drawing large circles on the paper, with nothing written immediately before those circles. I suspect that a lot of the "note taking" was doodling, just from what I saw of it.
Yesterday's electoral-vote.com had their own version of the picture. They admit they did enhance with imaging software. What strikes me about it is that the rectangle has a cord running from the top of it to his shoulder. Then another bulge appears which looks like the spiral spring cord that you often see on news anchors and talking heads.
That picture pretty much makes it look innocent.
The left side of the "object" on his back, the border between the lighted part and the part in semi-shadow, falls down the midline of his back where you'd expect cloth to fold. The "spiral wire" on the shoulder is actually the edge of the shoulder pad fitted in the jacket (you can almost make out the bottom of the pad and the right side of it at the shoulder seam). The top of the "object" is a fold caused by the fabric being stretched sideways (because his shoulders and arms are forward) but compressed vertically because he's slumping. You can see smaller folds just above it.
It really does look like a trick of lighting. That said, if the meme spreads that Bush is so incompetent he can't handle a debate without help, well, that's no all bad.
Gore Lawsuit Challenges Australian Election Results
(2004-10-09) -- Just hours after the polls closed across Australia, and Prime Minister John Howard headed for his fourth term, former U.S. Vice President Al Gore filed a lawsuit in international court at the Hague alleging "irregularities" in the balloting.
The election was seen by many as a referendum on Australia's participation in Operation Iraqi Freedom and the subsequent efforts to bring democracy to Iraq. Mr. Howard's opponent, Mark Latham, had promised to withdraw Australian troops from the Coalition.
"Somebody was disenfranchised or coerced down under," said Mr. Gore, now an itinerant professor. "John Howard betrayed his country. He played on their fears. There's no way they could have re-elected him legally. We'll fight this result all the way to the U.N. Security Council if need be."
Democrat presidential contender John Forbes Kerry expressed displeasure at the Australian election outcome.
"This is the wrong election result, in the wrong place at the wrong time," Mr. Kerry said. "Think of the precedent this sets."
A movie theater next to an Afghan restaurant in the Little Kabul area of Fremont, Calif., displays a sign thanking President Bush for the elections in Afghanistan.
I'm running so this will be a hit and run... but I just want to weigh in.
I think that Bush was wearing a wire in the first debate, for sure, and if this can be proven it will have a HUGE impact. It is no small thing that the POTUS needs information fed to him through a wire to get through a debate. I think a lot of voters (even pro-Bush ones) will think it stinks to high heaven.
If we keep up the questions and demand an investigation we will have an impact.
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It's very amusing to me that on the several occasions I've seen Bush with a pen in his hand, it's always a "Sharpie" marker, which seems an odd choice. I like those pens for labeling and graphics, but to use one as your regular writing tool is pretty peculiar.
I also agree with Tena in her perception that Bush was most likely also wearing an earpiece for last night's debate. His mode of answering questions was just all over the place and he suddenly became verbally fluid each time, after a very slow start. I just don't think he had it in him to do that without help. IMO.
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This is proof of nothing, but an interesting data point. A few years ago (?) Conan O' Brien did a sketch on his show where Alan Alda was pretending to feed lines to Conan, and then President Bush. They had a TV showing footage of Bush doing a press conference, and then Alda was on the phone saying each line before Bush did. It was funny because it looked just like Alan Alda was giving him the lines. Perhaps the sketch worked so well because Bush actually was being fed the lines by someone else, and so his expressions and the rhythm of his speech reflected that.
Seriously, can you imagine taking notes with a Sharpie? Does the former pilot have bad eyesight or something?
Fox news is setting us up. They provided the back shots. They want us all to attack Bush and then they will show us to be biased against Bush. it was probably a tens unit or something. If the media was smart they would drop the wired angle. I believe it is a setup by the Rove/FOX axis.
Besides Bush's performance was so bad that the wired aspect will probably be used as an excuse.
Forget about any new info that appears between now and election info that appears to be against Bush. Run on his performance and his record and avoid side issues.
With some luck that will be enough to win.
BTW Fox should be commended on one thing--Juliet Huddy.
JC
I don't know if anyone has mentioned it here, but I suspect he was wearing some kind of audio signal amplifier for both "debates". If you noticed him shouting in the one last night it was probably because the volume was turned up high. You've probably noticed yourself doing the same thing when you're listening to music while wearing headphones. If someone asks you a question, you reply "WHAT??" because your own voice sounds muffled to you. It also signals that he was having trouble hearing his "feed" during the first "debate", which would explain his dazed and confused look throughout it....he was like a bad student unprepared for a test when his *cheat* failed him.
canofun is my site and I did the clip, it's not doctored. It is a little out of sync from going from PVR to DVD to a conversion utility-so I added the disclaimer about the out of sync at the beginning. Reason I recorded it in the first place is I was amazed at the voice being recorded first BEFORE chimp opened his mouth and repeated it. At the end of this CNN clip, John King is caught shaking his head in disbelief-I like to think it's because he's also disgusted that Bush can't give a speech without remedial help.
Can anyone else verify or disprove the findings of Strange Currency above re his audio analysis of the waveforms? If both voices were Bush's, but he was listening to a recording he made previously of his speech, then this becomes the audio equivalent of using a teleprompter for a speech, and so no big deal for the 911 speech. But it does not disprove that (1) Bush was using a taped message through an earpiece on that occasion (the NYT should ask about this occasion specifically and get an official response). (2) nor does it disprove that he might have been wearing an earpiece and received help (from his own earlier recorded answers or from another person) during the debate(s). Getting such help during a national debate for the office of President is an entirely different issue than using an audio teleprompter for a public speech. Any other techies out there who can help shed light on the waveform analysis?
God, I hate to sound like I'm defending the Preznit, but I have bad hands, and Sharpies are my main writing instrument. They make an ultra-fine model with the same body as the fatty. They require less effort to write with than a ball-point, and unlike most Flair-type felt-tips, the ink doesn't run.
But I don't think Bush has bad hands. He just likes them for TicTacToe.
This is just a set up. Drop the issue and focus on, um, health care. Yeah, that's it. Besides, even if it were true, it means nothing and nobody would care anyway. It'll just make you all look bad. Really. This is just advice for your, um, I mean our benefit.
Uhh, why y'all lookin' at me like that?
KARL, THEY'RE NOT BUYING IT! I WANT A REASIGNMENT.
What's wrong with ufo's? Humans send technology up in the air all of the time. Satellites, space labs, shuttles, probes, etc.
What makes you think we are so unique in the galaxy that no other being could possibly exist that also has technology out there?
What is so tinfoil about thinking that Bush may have worn a wire? Think. You're Karl Rove, Prince of Darkness. You're trying to market a candidate who is deteriorating mentally and emotionally. You have to do whatever you can to maintain the illusion that Bush is a rational human being. It's not exotic technology. It's not farfetched to think Rove would pull it out now.
If proven it would matter. The guy who attacks his opponent for being unable to handle the hard work and pressure of being president is revealed to be unable to get thru a simple debate - already slanted in his favor by a rigid format - without assistance. It would make a reality of every Edgar Bergen-Mortimer Snerd joke and cartoon done on Bush.
Anyway, it would be a better alternative to the other plausible explanation - that Bush is listening to the voices in his head.
Do not touch this story. The whole memo thing set us back nearly two weeks. I repeat do not touch this story. We don't need it to win and the attention needs to be on Bush's record.
It's an orthopedic back brace. I wasn't sure based on early pictures, especially from the first debate, but the one posted way upthread shows it goes the full length of his back.
It wouldn't surprise me if he needed a brace to stand up straight. He might have back injuries we don't know about, also.
Mystery solved: Bush wears a Bible. That way he can hear God more clearly.
CuriosityKilledTheCat and Strange Currencies,
I believe what you hear in the clip is foldback being sent to the reporter in Paris. During remote satellite interviews, stations like CNN send the audio portion of the clips the viewers see to the correspondent in the field via an IFB (interruptible fold back). It allows the reporter to tell when the clip ends and follow along. Usually the IFB feed is sent over a phone line, and so it is almost never in perfect sync with the satellite feed. When the two feeds get intermingled, you hear what sounds like a pre-echo. I've experienced this myself during a satellite interview I was involved with.
That said, there is some interesting audio on the White House's site that clearly isn't foldback at
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/r...0040605-
6.html#
If you listen to the real audio clip (not the video) starting at 22:40, you hear a voice that clearly isn't the President's saying things slightly differently than the president does, just before he says them, during a Q&A session with Chirac. Unfortunately its not as clear as the CNN clip, so listen closely.
If you want to prove he was wearing a wire, don't use the CNN clip, it's too easily refuted.
CuriosityKilledTheCat and Strange Currencies,
I believe what you hear in the clip is foldback being sent to the reporter in Paris. During remote satellite interviews, stations like CNN send the audio portion of the clips the viewers see to the correspondent in the field via an IFB (interruptible fold back). It allows the reporter to tell when the clip ends and follow along. Usually the IFB feed is sent over a phone line, and so it is almost never in perfect sync with the satellite feed. When the two feeds get intermingled, you hear what sounds like a pre-echo. I've experienced this myself during a satellite interview I was involved with.
That said, there is some interesting audio on the White House's site that clearly isn't foldback at
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/r...0040605-
6.html#
If you listen to the real audio clip (not the video) starting at 22:40, you hear a voice that clearly isn't the President's saying things slightly differently than the president does, just before he says them, during a Q&A session with Chirac. Unfortunately its not as clear as the CNN clip, so listen closely.
If you want to prove he was wearing a wire, don't use the CNN clip, it's too easily refuted.
Hey, who cares if the story is true? It's just great that the New York times is running it, with the incriminating picture! They even are so kind as to point out that the Bush campaign's first explanation, that the photo was doctored, is not plausible. So there can be not cry of "faked documents" in this case that will make the whole thging backfire. Looking closely at the picture, their second explanation, that it was a trick of the light, does not seem too plausible either. So it looks like they're hiding SOMETHING. The Kerry campaign, of course, shouldn't touch this with a pair of blast furnace tongs, but they don't have to. If the NYT is using its precious column inches to talk about this, that's just dandy for them. All they have to do is grim smugly and say "no comment". That and bring one helluva powerful radio jamming device to the next debate, just in case!
To Gordon the Moronificent,
One poll shows your guy up by a statistically insignificant margin and you think this is raising the smell of fear around here? He was 4-12 points up in every single poll two weeks ago! Why don't you stop wasting all out time commenting here and just go back to crashing your toy trucks together?
I didn't find the tape from canoefun.com very convincing.
Somebody as dyslexically challenged as Bush wouldn't be assisted by somebody reading things to him simultaneously with his speaking. It would make more sense to use a teleprompter or else to have a human prompter speaking during pauses between paragraphs.
I think the most damning piece of evidence is something nearly everyone on this thread has overlooked with the exception of brooklyn boy, matt2f, & dac76, the reactions of John King. Immediately after the clip of Bush's speech, King stutters slightly, and has a surprised look on his face. Then, after King finishes his exit dialogue, and thinks the camera is no longer on him, he begins shaking his head in disgust, as if he cannot believe that Bush had to be fed his lines. Check out the video again, and you will see what I mean, especially from the surprise evident on King's face, right after the speech clip, it is clear he knows what he just accidentally overheard, and he doesn't look happy about it at the end.
During the second debate: As Bush enters the arena and shakes hands with Kerry, there is a rectangular bulge in his right-hand lower pocket. (C-SPAN has the video. The evidence is within the first 30 seconds.) It's about the same size as the debate-one bulge, but without the crease.
I am not a conspiracy theorist, really, but the migrating bulge sure is intriguing.
As to why Bush wouldn't go state of the art and wear a better concealed wire, I'd argue ly oking that he's ticked off the FBI and CIA too much that they won't give him the good stuff! More likely, this is a Rove-Hughes scheme in which they want to limit the chances of exposure. So the campaign sent somebody to Sharper Image and paid cash.During the second debate: As Bush enters the arena and shakes hands with Kerry, there is a rectangular bulge in his right-hand lower pocket. (C-SPAN has the video. The evidence is within the first 30 seconds.) It's about the same size as the debate-one bulge, but without the crease.
CNN headlines their article on Bush wired? 'Aides deny etc etc'
the actual words of the aides are of course classic 'non denial denials'
they don't deny Bush is wired for the debates -- they say the idea is ridiculous, that it sounds like conspiracy theorists etc etc
in other words they don't say he isn't doing it -- just that it would be a silly thing to do
of course it is not silly if your candidate is in pre Alzheimers or is incompetent to think and speak
in the second debate, we could see Bush head down pausing waiting for his talking points - even more sock puppet than the 'let me finish' blurt in the first debate
we should be hammering CNN on this
Immediately after the debate I posted on every web page that had comment threads, that there was a box and that someone was interrupting him when he cried "let me finish." I posted everywhere. But I'm a small-time blogger. WHAT CAN I DO TO SHED MORE LIGHT ON THIS?
If it were Kerry, Drudge would have his head so far up this story's ass he'd never see the light of day again. WHAT CAN I DO?
I am not sure if anyone else noticed this but during the debate there was a panned shot of Karen Hughes mouthing the speach that George was giving before he gave it. Thoughts?
Looks like Bush has his own Swiftboat smear to deal with.
Who cares if it's true or not- all we need is for him to be hounded by the press until he catagorically denies he was wearing any electronic assistance. By then, it'll be too late as the seeds of doubt will have taken root.
Just think- what would Karl Rove have done if it was Kerry!
Looks like Bush has his own Swiftboat smear to deal with.
Who cares if it's true or not- all we need is for him to be hounded by the press until he catagorically denies he was wearing any electronic assistance. By then, it'll be too late as the seeds of doubt will have taken root.
Just think- what would Karl Rove have done if it was Kerry!
My wife suspects Rove is the pusher on this just to prove the charge is unwarranted. He once started a nasty rumor about his candidate then used the rumor to attack his opponent. She says that Rove's candidate won helped by this very dirty trick.
If this turns out to be true, then the focus should be held on the White House and why they did not immediately explain the reason. However, by then with the very slow uptake of the press it will be too late.
I spent a few minutes looking around the Web for high-tech under-clothes earphone listening devices (for sale), and I found a couple of possibilities...
http://www.vegasspywest.com/audio.html
(look about halfway down page for the
"VHF Transmitter Receiver")
and:
http://www.ace-surveillance.com/...om/MISCDevices/
(look for the "Wireless Earpiece" about 1/3-way down page)
These could be similar models to the one Dubya was probably using.
And, by the way, you can see a wire coming up toward Bush's right ear above the square shape you can see in this article's featured picture, when magnified:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/ameri...cas/
3730364.stm
A little more diligent searching than I did would likely yield even more possibilities.
I hope somebody else is willing to give it a try as well as I.
I just saw a Newsworld International (Canadian based) about this. It is definitely getting some play
I just reviewed added scene to the Fahrenheit 9/11 of Bush's Rose speech after the 911 interview. Guess what you see on his back when he turns to leave. Yeap the magic square!
as per the mystery bulge:In Minnesota, officials at the state's Division of Homeland Security are worried about another kind of election threat. The agency recently issued a flier telling poll workers how to spot a "homicide bomber" in the line. Among the things to look for: "Unusual shapes or bulges protruding from a person's mid-section" and "May be seen praying fervently to himself/herself, giving the appearance of whispering to someone."
I first noticed that Bush was wired during a 12/15/03 news conference. During this conference, one of his few 'unscripted' meetings with the press corp, he was asked a very easy question that related to 9/11, and a comment from Ed Gillespie of the RNC. Bush stammered with his answer, and then came up with: "its an absurd assinuation." The fact that Bush did not really come up with the phrasing of his answer is quite obvious. I wrote an article on the Circa 75 blog about this, with a link to the video clip, located at:
http://www.circa75.com/showArtic....php?
article=89
I'm not a Bush supporter, but I have a theory I haven't seen anywhere else: a wireless ear prompter. Usually these are wired, placed in the actor's pocket, and operated by the actor -- but it would be unseemly for the President to reach into his pocket to press buttons before starting a speech.
For those who have never done corporate video, an ear prompter is a small tape recorder in which an actor will read their lines, in their own voice and in the desired pacing, from the script. They then play the tape back, and recite each line as the next line is played into their ear.
In corporate video-type situations, this allows actors who are working with machinery demos to keep their eyes on the machine instead of on a TelePrompter. It also costs less than a TelePrompter rig rental, and makes for faster prompter edits and more consistency over multiple takes. The downside is that it requires training to recite one line while listening to the next one.
It would not, in any way, shape, or form, surprise me to learn that Bush is using an ear prompter for his speeches (a) because he has a hard time reading (dyxlexia?) and/or (b) it makes it appear as if he has memorized the speech -- or is speaking off-the-cuff.
Also worth noting: if he is using a wireless prompter, a bout of interference that interrupted the playback briefly would leave him completely lost while the operator rewound the tape a bit to replay the lost portion.
I'm not proposing this as the "bulge" from the debates, mind you, but I do propose it as a theory to potentially explain what happened during the D-Day ceremony.
Hey all, well two years later the "Bush Wired" story amounted to NOTHING. Just like the national guard fake documents story.
Those who can't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. cya
p.s. - told ya so
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