I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
What will we tell the children?
OT... I am hoping someone can help me with this.
The other day, the Eggman reported that John Edwards said the following in a speech, shown on Nightline on October 4:
"I'd say if you live in the United States of America and you vote for George Bush, you've lost your mind."
Now, a bunch of the lemmings have been repeating this, but they all source it only to Drudge, and we all know how reliable he is. Does anyone know where to find a transcript of the 10/4/2004 Nightline? ABC's new website is garbage - I can't find anything. I'd like to debunk this if possible.
Inceidentally, I checked the text of Edwards' recent speeches on the K/E site, and didn't find anything like this quote.
A transcript! A transcript! my kingdom for a transcript!
Unnatural and perverted?
What's unnatural and perverted about having a prostitute suck you off while you drive down a Maryland Expressway?
An idea:
How about we pledge to post a list of all the advertisers who run ads during the Sinclair anti-Kerry movie? We further pledge to boycott all companies on that list and the Sinclair affiliate for three months –three months because such a length of time is more believable than say, a whole year.
We notify Sinclair and some of its advertisers of our intentions, and with a little luck we can turn this thing around. If Sinclair runs the movie anyways, we follow through on our pledge and perhaps teach them a lesson for the next time they attempt such a stunt.
A simple one page website should do. With either a sign-up sheet or a form email that all pledgees could send to the various parties.
I don’t really know how to put up a website for this myself… anyone interested? Perhaps Atrios would be willing?
Bad idea.
There will be no advertising during the Sinclair anti-Kerry movie.
I'm shocked shocked, I tell you!
No I'm not.
Now if we can get that picture of Murdoch with a kangaroo.....
You just know they'll shill this as "the show the liberals don't want you to see".
Any ideas how to counteract this?
oral sex is bad...
*complete and utter deflation*
How does it move the debate forward to know that the head of Sinclair was picked up in 1996 for having sex with a prostitute?
If you want to say that Sinclair shouldn't be broadcasting the anti-Kerry movie on its stations, then make your case for that, Atrios. But digging up dirt on the guy doesn't convince me of anything.
"Is that your gun, cowboy, or you just happy to see me?"
Depending on what they're pre-empting, the sheeples won't be happy. If they take off Donald Trump or "Who wants to bang my dad" or whatever-such-nonsense they want to watch, they'll be po'd and change the channel.
ou just know they'll shill this as "the show the liberals don't want you to see".
Any ideas how to counteract this?
It would seem to be illegal. Someone should start screaming at the FEC. There is a law about doing this too close to election time.
We could get an email campaign going.
OT, but I just wanted to tell everyone that I am going to see the next First Lady tomorrow here in McAllen, Texas. She's coming really to support Lloyd Doggett in his congresional race and to get the locals out to vote, but I'm just really excited. I was just hoping they would send some sons and daughters but Teresa! Kerrry in a landslide.
I know some are worried, but when I heard about this stunt Sinclair is trying to pull, I laughed. Talk about desperation. Are the Bushies and their allies in the media so terrified now of defeat that they're willing to pull such a blatantly partisan move like this? This just confirms to me that they know they're losing and are frantically throwing any slime they can think of at Kerry to stop him. Sorry folks, it isn't working.
Frankly, if Sinclair has the balls to do this, I think it'll backfire in a big way. The Swift Boat crap is old news and pushing such a blatant hit job will only earn them ridicule and destroy any shred of being a fair and unbiased media outlet. Plus, they'll lose a bundle with lack of advertisement and likely anger viewers who are wondering why their favorite shows are being preempted for this. People can get really nasty when they can't see their favorite shows.
I would gladly join the boycott but here are some snags:
1) They might plan or be forced to run the anti-Kerry show commercial-free.
2) If you boycott all advertisers on the Sinclair stations, you probably will hit most of the products we all buy everyday with or without ever seeing their ads. We may be cutting off our noses to spite our faces.
PLease, please offer some creative solutions.
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How does it move the debate forward to know that the head of Sinclair was picked up in 1996 for having sex with a prostitute?
How does it move the debate forward to claim that one of the candidates is a "traitor" for protesting the Vietnam War? For two commercial free hours days before the election?
Ironically, if broadcasters were required by law to devote this much time to legitimate elections concerns or issues, they'd scream bloody murder and invoke the marketplace....
Contact info: here
And yes, they have a corporate policy regarding ethics.
Here's an interesting section:
C. Compliance with laws, rules and regulations
Directors and employees must comply with all laws, rules and regulations applicable to them or the Corporation, including insider-trading laws and FCC regulations.
Oh, one more thing. That David Smith fellow? Still their President, CEO and Chairman of their Board of Directors.
This is a temporary URL until the official www.stopsinclair.com website is active:
http://host01.ipage.com/~stopsinc/
Deflate gasbags wherever they appear. Smith is a partisan fat cat and he runs with the holier-than-thou crowd, hypocrites are always fair game. This needs to be a big piece of evidence (the movie thing not the bj thing) for reinstateing the fairness doctrine.
Did Smith even get fired?
hedgehog
you have to buy transcripts from ABC,,
Clever little bastard Rove is,, plant a quote from a place you can't check and then let it run to Drudge and BOOM,,, let it filter thru and then ABC will deny it but the damage will be done,,,
Bad Dog Karl ,,, Bad Dog
Atrios doesn't mention it, but Sinclair is the group that refused to air the Nightline episode that listed the soldiers who died in Iraq.
As for whether the sexual malfeasance is relevant, well, this is a huge media conglomerate with too much power. An endemic problem.
And dishing dirt on the guy is known as "assymmetric warfare."
OT
Have some fun and skew the LGF website debate poll:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/
Poll box is on left hand side a little ways down. Right now Kerry is under 18%.
People can get really nasty when they can't see their favorite shows.
that's my feeling too. kerry has lost what he's going to lose due to the swift heads, and he no doubt lost some.
what i do worry about, if they are this concerned what else might they do.
"And yes, they have a corporate policy regarding ethics.
Here's an interesting section:
C. Compliance with laws, rules and regulations
Directors and employees must comply with all laws, rules and regulations applicable to them or the Corporation, including insider-trading laws and FCC regulations.
Oh, one more thing. That David Smith fellow? Still their President, CEO and Chairman of their Board of Directors."
Apparently prostitution laws are not applicable to them.
IOKIYAR.
The Hummer Veterans for Truth meeting will now come to order...
Oh no! Kerry is losing a poll on a white supremacist site! Everybody go vote!
Watching the debate last night, Bush is both deranged and dumb and that's the worst combination because they're mean and unpredictable.
i'm not completely sure about the law, but my gut is that team kerry will seek a declaratory judgement in federal court that the film is political by nature and thus running it without giving kerry equal time would violate FEC rules. preliminary injunction, baby.
and if this fails, then perhaps team kerry and friends can make this a meta-issue, like a rathergate but for the left.
the most important thing is to be noisy and draw attention to the fact that the heads of the SCLM are slime.
Just Repugs linking trickle down and job opportunities
Anonymous sez:
It would seem to be illegal. Someone should start screaming at the FEC. There is a law about doing this too close to election time.
Does anyone know what the actual law is that's being violated? That would be helpful.
I loved the part in the debate when Kerry cracked a joke about how his and Gibson's taxes would be going up and both him Kerry was chuckling and here comes Bush, microphone in hand interjecting like a drunk deranged automothon, "It's not realistic, it's not realistic" and both Kerry and especially Gibson just leaned back and groaned, like, oh God, here he comes.
jungophile - OT: Have some fun and skew the LGF website debate poll:..
'Squeaky' Johnson is always checking over here, so they'll see your suggestion. Johnson is called 'Squeaky' because of his nasal, wavering voice, heard on wingnut radio a few times. (Jabbering on about fonts and such). His regulars are far too cowed to tell him he really ought to stay away from TV & Radio. I don't think any radio host has ever asked him back.
Annoyingly, Kerry is now well behind in that damned CNN poll. Go vote! Then delete teh cookies (come on, you know th eFreepers are doing it) and vote again!
http://www.cnn.com/
hedgehog,
what exactly are they saying about this quote? I mean, so what? it sounds pretty mild to me, and true.
the people that watch Fox and the like have already had their minds made up (for them)..these are not the folks who engage in discussions about the importance of secularism in government. I think Sinclair should be phoned and faxed by every one of us ( an earlier attempt found voice mail to be full, quelle surprise!)...so, while we may not be able to thwart their plan, we can certainly make them wish they had unpublished phone numbers....and again, read the article in the latest Atlantic Monthly about Rove...he is beyond bottom feeder
I wrote my local affiliate. The Sinclair website has all the links:
Sinclair TV Station Map
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Personally, I don't think contacting Sinclair directly will be much help. They aren't in this game for the short term, one-day advertising money. They are in it for the increasing number of stations they can own under the Republican FCC.
The only way to hurt them is to boycott their advertisers. If there were five to ten large advertisers that consistently advertise on those stations, and they were boycotted, that would have an effect. It may have the added bonus of keeping the situation quieter, since the companies wouldn't want to be associated wit the controversy. National companies could be boycotted even here in blue NYC.
Sorry for the long post, but this bugs the shit out of me.
Gather the info at Chicagodude's www.stopsinclair.com.
How can the FCC allow a convicted sex offender to own a whole string of TV stations?? The FCC should have forced Sinclair to sell all its TV and radio holdings.
I want a complete list of the national sponsors who buy time on Sinclair affliates. Corporations, etc. It doesn't matter whether they advertise during the broadcast. If they don't yank their advertising immediately, they need to be notified that sales will suffer.
There is an institutional investor list circulating and, for my own part, Putnam Investments, where I have some cash, will be getting a call or fax. Let mine not be alone.
Kerry still well ahead (62-3
in MSNBC poll:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/
The other day, the Eggman reported that John Edwards said the following in a speech, shown on Nightline on October 4:
"I'd say if you live in the United States of America and you vote for George Bush, you've lost your mind."-hedgehog
While the statement is not exactly unfactual, given Bush's numerous fuck-ups that would turn off the average eight-year-old child if he were able to vote, I would say the reason you can't find the transcript is because Edwards never made the statement.
The only place this quote exists is in the GOP rubbish bin of lies, along with "Who among us doesn't love NASCAR?" and "I invented the Internet" (not the "internets", referred to by Bush last night) and "I do nails, I'm a metrosexual" and so on.
It spins the mind to think of the ways the Rethulgicans must try to win an election because they can't run a campaign on issues since they'd lose.
Sorry, forgot about that little yellow devil in the sunglasses:
(62-38 )
OT,
but god I love Kate O'Beirne. That mousy old maid look is so incredibly attractive, as is her unfettered fellatio of Our Dear Leader.
Perfect. Maybe they will think twice about their antiKerry activities now that they know God is on our side
Way, way off topic, but of interest to philosophers and theory-heads:
RIP Jacques Derrida.
My favorite photo from last night's debate.
My Caption:
"Me?! Why ask me? I'm an idiot... ask that tall lanky fella back there."
People over at Kos have been on this for a while
http://boycottsinclair.blogspot.com/
If talking about Sinclairs' CEO picking up disease infested hookers helps, then we gotta do it.
How does it move the debate forward to know that the head of Sinclair was picked up in 1996 for having sex with a prostitute?
Easy. Copy and paste what Atrios posted, fax it to the Sinclair station closest to you, and write under it, "Don't be David Smith's new whores. "
OT-everybody go and vote on the CNN homepage. Bush "won" the debate by eighteen points over Kerry; let's change that tune.
This is off topic, but I wanted to mention that the CNN poll, which had Kerry ahead in the poll this morning has been massively freeped, and now shows Bush ahead by a significant margin. I know this poll isn't scientific, but it will still be seen by thousands of people.
OT,but god I love Kate O'Beirne. That mousy old maid look is so incredibly attractive, as is her unfettered fellatio of Our Dear Leader.
Yes, she is Ann Coulter in Raiders of the Lost Arc just as her face begins to melt.
"listen to me...
let me finish ...
i got nothing"
Derrida saw the debate last night. He murmured,"There is one truth. Bush is an asshole," then fell over dead.
A perverted sex act? Was there a box turtle involved?
Kate O'Beirn is making wacko arguments on the Capital Gang about who can be president. She seems to think that there is something in the air here so you get to be a TRUE citizen with 35 years of breathing it. Well, too bad for those US citizens who are children of soldiers and grow up overseas. I guess they are not as American. Then there is the case of the citizen Bush is deporting to Saudia Arabia who was born here but grew up there. Is he still eligible to run for the presidency? I think Kate's argument is that you become whiter the longer you are here. She seriously needs a lobotomy.
Get him Atrios. I want to have lots of fun with this son of a bitch. I want him to run for the fucking hills. I'm furious.
I'm really furious with all of these people who have no scruples at all - they don't give a shit about anyone - they are all perfectly at ease with sliming someone in any way necessary to reach the ends they want to reach. It's grotesque and it's just fucking killing this country that with every campaign this shit gets worse and worse.
Let's make this fucker howl.
Smith also seems to like dumb hookers.
She left the undercover car after telling Bowman that ``she had just seen her regular date driving in the area,'' according to court documents.
Police said DiPaulo ran across the street to a 1992 Mercedes, registered to Sinclair, and got in on the passenger side. Police followed the car onto the Jones Falls Expressway, where they said they witnessed the two engage in oral sex while Smith drove north.
What did she think the cop was going to do? Just ignore her? This is 1996, the car is a 1992 Mercedes, which probably looked the same as a 1996 since Mercedes does not change body styles very often. Of course the cop is going to follow and see what happens. Might get somebody big.
The Sinclair thing is important/interesting but let's not forget to play offense at such an important time. The "anger meme", and the wood lie (among other things) have to be beat into the ground over the next couple days. If we can gap the repubs then everything else is going to be easier. Like football, a "prevent defense" will only prevent us from winning. We don't want to get reactive, let the repubs do that...
Political Physics
Make him sqeal.....make him howl and sqeal. Ah he'd probably like it.
The other day, the Eggman reported that John Edwards said the following in a speech, shown on Nightline on October 4:
"I'd say if you live in the United States of America and you vote for George Bush, you've lost your mind."
Yes, just stating the facts. What was our question?
While the statement is not exactly unfactual, given Bush's numerous fuck-ups that would turn off the average eight-year-old child if he were able to vote, I would say the reason you can't find the transcript is because Edwards never made the statement.
I suspect strongly that he didn't make the statement - the only places it has turned up are Drudge (who reported it originally) and about 40 right wing blogs (who all source Drudge and Drudge alone).
If he actually had said it, I imagine every network plus the AP would have reported on it, and I am positive O'Lielly and the folks at Faux would be having a field day (I could not come up with a single reference to it on Fauxnews website).
Still, I have personal reasons to blow a hole in this one. My right-wing dad came to my house today just crowing about this. The evidence I have seen makes it about an 85% chance that it is bullpoopy, but I would love to have 100% certainty.
This is a, um, low blow.
Catch.com had a good post about the producer of this doc up a while ago. He's friends with Tom Ridge, a hacktacular Moonie defender and he won a contract to build a government web site for first responders that's way behind schedule. Great guy.
We consort, you deride.
lets think cost effective ways of dealing with this...
like announcing that we are putting on a fundraising drive to produce advertizing which will point out that the president of Sinclair Broadcasting was caught performing "unnatural acts" with an (alleged) prostitute in a company owned vehicle, and that we intend to run the ads in markets where Sinclair has TV stations.
The mere THREAT of making this guy the poster boy for right-wing sexual hypocrisy will result in the movie being pulled....
Bush's response to Kerry about his timber holding is the same as his response in the 2000 campaign as to who is the president of Pakistan.
"I own timber?"
"Pakistan has a president?"
Caleb,
You understand. Tell Atrios. Now is the time to be Drudgelike. Hammer one, maybe two themes.
I'd go with anger and, if more evidence, the earpiece but it don't really matter.
And I'd be ready to jump on what gets released against GWB in response to the upcoming Rove smear
I don't think it is appropriate to depict this as some rich guy getting a BJ. Think of the power dynamic here.
If he got his BJ in Amsterdam, that'd be one thing. Picking up a streetwalker reeks of exploitation to me, and as others have noted it is hypocritical in the extreme, as well.
I say it is time to twist the knife on this scumbag. Figuratively speaking, of course.
hedgehog, i have access to nightline transcripts. i just don't see what the issue is.
We need to find someone Farenheiht 911, more people will be convinced by that movei than Sinclair's anti-Kerry drivel.
"I'd say if you live in the United States of America and you vote for George Bush, you've lost your mind."
I don't see any problem with that statement. 
as someone who lived in baltimore a couple of years, i can say with full authority that the hookers there are yuuuuuckeeeee.
So, sinclair sucks in more than one way...?
Interesting how the current administration is more than happy to take its allies where it finds them - vladimir putin, conrad black, rupert murdoch - the degenerate media empires that the right wing is always whining about.
blogwhore alert...see homepage.
What demons haunt this Repuke's mind?
To say that he's warped would be kind.
To force this poor chick
To go down on his dick
Is a crime against righteous mankind.
"...you've lost your mind."
I suspect strongly that he didn't make the statement - the only places it has turned up are Drudge (who reported it originally) and about 40 right wing blogs (who all source Drudge and Drudge alone).
Note that a Google search reveals one real cite: NYT, including a bit of the quote. But when you go to the actual NYT story, the quote isn't there. And yet, if you read the second graf of the story, a Repub guy is quoted as saying Edwards' "remark" is "over the top". What remark? It really looks like the original NYT story used the statement, then removed it but failed to re-edit this part of the story.
Anybody have the print NYT for Oct. 6 to see what it says? And any progress on getting a transcript or video of Nightline from Oct. 4?
"This is off topic, but I wanted to mention that the CNN poll, which had Kerry ahead in the poll this morning has been massively freeped, and now shows Bush ahead by a significant margin. I know this poll isn't scientific, but it will still be seen by thousands of people."
Who says it needs to be freeped? A little jiggering by true believer weekend staff would do the job much quicker.
From a dkos diary:
EARNEST Partners is the Top Institutional Shareholder of Sinclair Broadcasting (5.77% of outstanding shares). The CEO is Paul E. Viera who we see has the following listings on OpenSecrets:
VIERA, PAUL
ATLANTA,GA 30309
EARNEST PARTNERS
2/17/2004
$5,000
Obama, Barack
VIERA, PAUL E
ATLANTA,GA 30309
EARNEST PARTNERS/CEO
5/20/2004
$2,000
Kerry, John
VIERA, PAUL E
ATLANTA,GA 30309
EARNEST PARTNERS
6/10/2004
$2,000
Obama, Barack
He appears to be a prominent member of the business community, and is certainly someone who might be sympathetic to our cause. Lets try and contact Mr. Viera, and see if we can't influence him to do something about this. Its one more avenue to provide pressure, and we need to apply as much as we can.
75 14th Street, Suite 2300, Atlanta, GA 30309
Phone: 800-322-0068
Facsimile: 404-815-8948
E-Mail: invest@earnestpartners.com
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news here, but it looks like Edwards did say that (I did a Lexis Nexis on 10/4 Nightline and read the transcript). Problem is, I think it was on video that ABC played, but I can't tell from the transcript. Here's the relevant portion.
BOB WOODRUFF
Voice Over) He has avoided the kind of negative attacks that can make national news, although recently, he has stepped up his rhetoric.
SENATOR JOHN EDWARDS:I'd say if you live in the United States of America and you vote for George Bush, you've lost your mind.
BOB WOODRUFFOff Camera) There's been criticism that you have been too soft.
SENATOR JOHN EDWARDS: Do I seem soft to you?
BOB WOODRUFF: (Off Camera) You do seem relatively soft, certainly compared to Dick Cheney.
SENATOR JOHN EDWARDS: I don't think so. You listen to what I'm saying out here on the campaign trail, I've been very, very critical of what this Administration has done. And I think they ought to be held accountable for what they've done.
I don't really think its bad news though, because, well, its true. Besides, Crashcart said we'd be attacked if we vote for Kerry, so fair game.
Well, look what's been circulating around some of the wingnut blogs today. Is this for real? Kerry cavorting with Satanists? I don't think it will bother many folks in the circles I travel in, but it ain't going to play well in Yahooland.
although the Fairness Doctrine is gone - there is a law called Equal Time Rule
Specifically
"Congress creat(ed) four exemptions to the equal opportunity law. Stations who gave time to candidates on regularly scheduled newscasts, news interviews shows, documentaries (assuming the candidate wasn't the primary focus of the documentary), or on-the-spot news events would not have to offer equal time to other candidates for that office. In creating these exemptions, Congress stressed that the public interest would be served by allowing stations the freedom to cover the activities of candidates without worrying that any story about a candidate, no matter how tangentially related to his or her candidacy, would require equal time. The exemptions to Section 315 have also served the interests of incumbent candidates, since by virtue of their incumbency they often generate more news coverage then their challengers."
This documentary is an anti Kerry documentary He is primary focus of docunmentary which is a violation of Equal Time Rule.
Kerry should be giving the chance to respond with Equal Time to this movie.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news here, but it looks like Edwards did say that (I did a Lexis Nexis on 10/4 Nightline and read the transcript). Problem is, I think it was on video that ABC played, but I can't tell from the transcript. Here's the relevant portion.
BOB WOODRUFFVoice Over) He has avoided the kind of negative attacks that can make national news, although recently, he has stepped up his rhetoric.
SENATOR JOHN EDWARDS:I'd say if you live in the United States of America and you vote for George Bush, you've lost your mind.
BOB WOODRUFFOff Camera) There's been criticism that you have been too soft.
SENATOR JOHN EDWARDS: Do I seem soft to you?
BOB WOODRUFF: (Off Camera) You do seem relatively soft, certainly compared to Dick Cheney.
SENATOR JOHN EDWARDS: I don't think so. You listen to what I'm saying out here on the campaign trail, I've been very, very critical of what this Administration has done. And I think they ought to be held accountable for what they've done.
I don't really think its bad news though, because, well, its true. Besides, Crashcart said we'd be attacked if we vote for Kerry, so fair game.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news here, but it looks like Edwards did say that (I did a Lexis Nexis on 10/4 Nightline and read the transcript). Problem is, I think it was on video that ABC played, but I can't tell from the transcript. Here's the relevant portion.
BOB WOODRUFFVoice Over) He has avoided the kind of negative attacks that can make national news, although recently, he has stepped up his rhetoric.
SENATOR JOHN EDWARDS:I'd say if you live in the United States of America and you vote for George Bush, you've lost your mind.
BOB WOODRUFFOff Camera) There's been criticism that you have been too soft.
SENATOR JOHN EDWARDS: Do I seem soft to you?
BOB WOODRUFF: (Off Camera) You do seem relatively soft, certainly compared to Dick Cheney.
SENATOR JOHN EDWARDS: I don't think so. You listen to what I'm saying out here on the campaign trail, I've been very, very critical of what this Administration has done. And I think they ought to be held accountable for what they've done.
I don't really think its bad news though, because, well, its true. Besides, Crashcart said we'd be attacked if we vote for Kerry, so fair game.
sorry about the repeat
You could drop CNN a line and ask if it's normal for an online poll to receive over a million votes on a Saturday afternoon.
Make liberal use of the word "hacked."
about the edwards quote: i just don't see what the issue is. people who are going to vote for b/c ARE fucking looneybins, IMHO. is that all they've got? jaybus!
like carville says - we'll be on this sinclair thing like stink on shit
Don't boycott them or write the board or call the advertisers.
Show up at the station following the brodcast and in a polite and business like manner ask for a copy of their Public File. By law they will have to comply with this. If not in the file,ask if any attempt was made to offer the Kerry campaign equal time to rebut this.
If this was not done,note the liscense renewel date for that station and file a complaint with the commission asking that that this be considered as grounds to denie the renewel.
Get enough like minded people together and possibly file a formal "Petition to Deny" with the commission.
From the the FCC’s “The Public & Broadcasting”
http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/
decd...ing.html#PUBLIC
Political Editorials.
Within 24 hours of airing an editorial where the station itself either supports or opposes a candidate for public office, it must transmit the following three things to the other qualified candidate(s) for the same office or to the candidate who was opposed in the editorial: (1) notification of the date and the time of the editorial; (2) a script or tape of the editorial; and (3) an offer of a reasonable opportunity for the candidate or a spokesperson for the candidate to respond on the air.
A CEO trolling for hookers on the corner? Once this hits the Street, their stock is gonna drop like a stone, boycott or no...
repug's are hitting the CNN poll hard,
http://www.cnn.com/
Little-Big John's remark about voting B/C makes you "out of your mind" is totally not a big deal. Most people would agree with him.
As far as the wingnutters saying the remark is "over the top" is really rich comming from the rabbid right. Pu-leeze!
RIposte
A CEO trolling for hookers on the corner? Once this hits the Street, their stock is gonna drop like a stone, boycott or no...
I'm guessing you say that in jest, since it happeded in 1996.
Peace!
OT: GO Twins! Yanquis go home! (xtra inning game)
OT, and I don't know if anyone else has posted this but Little Big John to be on all of the talk shows tomorrow.
http://www.komotv.com/stories/33436.htm
Democrats planned a busy weekend as well. Vice presidential candidate John Edwards planned back-to-back appearances on all five television network Sunday interview shows.
Sorry, that last anonymous was me.
ITT Technical School advertises on the websict for WCWB, the Pittsburgh, PA Sinclair station.
dave, that editorial was excellent!
George W. Bush has failed America on the economy, civil liberties, the environment, nuclear proliferation and, most unforgivable, on national security by leading us into a demonstrably unnecessary war in Iraq that has distracted our attention from and diminished our capability to fight a comprehensive global war on terror.
Kerry is intellectually and ideologically equipped to succeed where Bush has failed. The obvious prospects for that success lie in his military, congressional and international experience, his superior intellectual curiosity and willingness to consider dissenting opinions, his commitment to protecting the civil liberties of all Americans and his potential to surround himself with a broad coalition of competent Cabinet members, staff and advisers.
georgie and *curiosity*, *competent*, *intellectual superiority*, experience, military or otherwise will never be seen in the same sentence.
Bush sucks. He's a total embarrassment.
Worst. President. Ever.!!!!
Sinclair is basically owned by the four Smith brothers, Fred, David, Duncan, and Robert, as their father Julian Sinclair Smith founded it. They lived across the street from me when I was growing up. They were right wing nuts as teenagers (this was way before they were rich).
Why does everybody think Rove is a genius? He's just willing to do anything to get AWOL re-elected, that's not genius, he's just a scumbag. Do they really think, that movie will affect the election the JK jane Fonda thing is pretty well played out isn't it? Maybe he knows or thinks Michael Moore is close to signing a deal to get F911 on TV, and his plan is to pull the Vietnam movie after we make a big fuss and/or the Kerry campaign sues. Then they can come back and say, no fair you have to pull F911 since we pulled our movie. I don't know, you just never know what their up to.
Class act, "atrios". Real nice.
Please contact your Congress person, the FCC and the FEC regarding what you feel to be the violation of the spirit, if not the letter, of the regulatory requirements designed to protect the people. Also, contact people such as John McCain who has done a lot of work in this area as he didn't like the Swift Boat ads, and I doubt he will like these either.
hat, like anyone is concerned about your approval ratings...
georgie cheats, lies, and his actions kill innocent people. He's a stupid, incompetent, moron.
Nice role model, hat.
modus potus, doesn't it strike you as odd that the "scan" of the newspaper has the corner folded over the date, making it more difficult to debunk?
Why does everybody think Rove is a genius? He's just willing to do anything to get AWOL re-elected, that's not genius, he's just a scumbag
I've always felt that way too. There is no genius in being a manipulative, dirty politician, just a complete failure of ethics, integrity and decency.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/1...ne/
10KERRY.html
NYT Magazine cover story on John Kerry's "Undeclared WAr." Looks to be pretty good.
Well, this is wierd. My tag name shows up but it doesn't come up when I post. What's the deal.
That last anonymous post was me again.
I would have SWORN that somebody here last night posted the the language of a reg that prohibits broadcasting of certain political content... 30 days before a party convention, 60 days before a federal election, something like that -- I couldn't have DREAMED reading it, but I just Ctrl-F'd every thread from last night and cannot find it. It was posted 2 or 3 times, I thought, at least partly in boldface.
No WAY I went to bed and dreamed about reading posts here.
If it actually is illegal to do what Sinclair is contemplating, wouldn't the DNC be the ones to raise hell? Not saying that we shouldn't, but if a legal challenge is made, who could bring it?
sj
You must have some good stories about the Smith Bros...
no cookies on haloscan. last week or so.
We are having a brain freeze here. Could someone tell me who ran against Big Dog in 1996?
Class act, "atrios". Real nice.
Hat, I know you think it sucks for Atrios to hit below the belt like this but this Sinclair guy had got to use his head instead of blowing his job as CEO. It's sloppy and messy work but Atrios isn't getting paid 10 bucks per post or anything.
Dole
has anybody re-hashed the story about sinclair that they forced every anchor on their news stations, even sports anchors and weathermen, to end their segments by saying 'and we pledge allegiance to our great country and our great president'?
well, if you haven't, i just did.
Thanks Patriotboy, Was it Dole/Kemp?
mr. no-boner.
I've always felt that way too. There is no genius in being a manipulative, dirty politician, just a complete failure of ethics, integrity and decency.
lest we forget that it also says a ton about the type of person that would see his act first hand for years and years on end, and not only continue ton employ him but actually use him as his #1 guy his entire presidency.
i'm not saying any names, because i don't want to embarass him on a national internet, but i think you guys know who i'm talking about.
*winks*
jesus christ, these republicans sure love breaking the law, don't they? i wonder what they mean by law and order? can the code be true, can it mean kill the niggers?
Class act, "atrios". Real nice.
In case you haven't noticed, Dems have QUIT playing nice. We have finally learned it's time to take several chapters from the Rethug book.
You have only yourselves to thank. So sit back and be proud of what you've wrought.
MUST-SEE TV?: Michael Moore is thisclose to inking a deal with pay-per-view giant In Demand to bring Fahrenheit 9/11 to television on Nov. 1 — one night before the big election. According to Variety, The Michael Moore Pre-Election Special will consist of a screening of Fahrenheit 9/11 bookended by interviews with "politically committed" celebrities who'll discuss the charges leveled in the movie and the importance of voting. The three-hour anti-Dubya extravaganza will cost $9.95 and every purchase comes with a package of Ramen noodles, a pair of slightly used boxer briefs and a Clorox Bleach Pen.
Were those the 4 Smith brothers that used to peek in girls windows, picked their noses and ate it and never showered? Just asking...
Dole/Kemp, losers
Well, this is wierd. My tag name shows up but it doesn't come up when I post. What's the deal.
Someone else was complaining about the same thing the other day, maybe it was attaturk. Don't know how that's possible. Did you just clean out your cookies?
Another blow blow to the organ of Republicken spin.
esus christ, these republicans sure love breaking the law, don't they? i wonder what they mean by law and order? can the code be true, can it mean kill the niggers?
It means they are social darwinists. Bush and his "folk" have complete contempt for anyone without wealth. For people like Kerry he is a primate beating his chest to achieve dominance.
re: Derrida - Has POTUS been informed?? How is he taking it?
it also says a ton about the type of person that would see his act first hand for years and years on end, and not only continue ton employ him but actually use him as his #1 guy his entire presidency.
i'm not saying any names, because i don't want to embarass him on a national internet, but i think you guys know who i'm talking about.
Heh. I totally agree. The worst by far, though, is that these bastards have sold their souls for power and pass themselves off a devout Christians. Ya don't get any lower than that.
nevermore, hee. HEEE.
Fuck, maybe it's just that I haven't slept in like two days and I'm really whippy, but that was fucking hilarious.
A.
Forget contacting Sinclair. they could give a shit. They didn't knuckle under on the 'Nightline' thing, they won't
knuckle under on this.
Their ads are probably bought for at least the next six months, so a boycott for three months won't touch them.
My idea - contact their competitors. Tell them how outraged you are by this blatant electioneering.
Knowing the competitive nature of broadcasting, their competitors would love to hang a 'controversy' on Sinclair.
If you live in any Sinclair markets, write a letter to the editor. Get a couple of friends to do it, too. If a small station or paper gets 10 or 15 letters, they'll consider it representative of a large part of their audience/readership.
And the FEC restrictions are here. And yes, what they are proposing is against the law. Be sure and point this out in your letter.
Make this a market-by-market local fight, and Sinclair can't win.
That scan; when was the last time Kerry was referred to as a "noted attorney"? Been a while, methinks.
has anybody re-hashed the story about sinclair that they forced every anchor on their news stations, even sports anchors and weathermen, to end their segments by saying 'and we pledge allegiance to our great country and our great president'?
Please say you are kidding--just making this up.
The three-hour anti-Dubya extravaganza will cost $9.95 and every purchase comes with a package of Ramen noodles, a pair of slightly used boxer briefs and a Clorox Bleach Pen.
Ramen -- The Official Noodle Of The 2004 Preznitential Election. Too funny.
Reuters has a story (minus the noodles & boxers aspect). I guess some swing voters who haven't seen it yet might go for this, but by that time they'll have probably rented the DVD. Dunno, I don't do PPV.
According to my Netflix queue (I just put F911 in to see -- my kids bought it for me last week), there is a "short wait" for it, while there is a "long wait" for Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, Jersey Girl, and others.
Kevin Drum over at Political Animal Has the scoop on the Dred Scott refrence,and its not a pretty thing.
Seems as tho Junior was pandering to the anti abortionists.Dred Scott is being used as a code name for Roe VS Wade.
Heres the Google results Of Dred Scott and abortion.
Seems as if we are being played for fools from the right,here we are thinking junior was talking about slvery and really he was talking about abortion.
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wingnuts are messing with this poll:
http://www.cnn.com/
HIT IT!
What I'd like to know is if any of this (CEO's arrest for sex or Sinclair's partisan use of stations to broadcast Bush campaign crapola) would justify a suit to revoke Sinclair's broadcast license(s)?
Anyone? Anyone?
smalfish, someone caught the abortion reference last night, and it's taken off from there.
georgie bush. He's a disgusting human being.
Worst. President. Ever.
Well, Smallfish, we are not being played, but that was definitly the intent. I hate this admin. so much and cannot wait til Nov. 2 to celebrate its end.
Class act, "atrios". Real nice.
hat
hey ... no one said "we" picked the rules in this fight, and no one ever accussed politics of being fair
but when the opposition goes at kerry with swift boat slimes and smears and delays all kinds of investigations ranging from 9/11 to tom delay -- i think it's time we took the gloves off
i am not happy with having to reveal a man's dealing with hookers at the point -- sorry to pump up HBO on this one -- but if a local entity can plaster a regular guy's mug in the news paper for playing with hookers so can a webpage
Stranger, thank you. Were you the one who posted something on that last night? It reads exactly like what I remember reading.
georgie bush. He's a disgusting human being.
That fucker's human? I thought he was an ape!
Went and looked at Sinclair's profile and financials.
Appears they have about 90m shares outstanding, with almost 30m of those shares in family hands. That's a good sign because they have a lot less than 50% of their shares in "safe" hands.
The way to attach a corp like Sinclair is to go after them with bad news on Wall Street, give this story full play and watch investors sell. The stock is trading at about half of its 52 week high. At the same time go after the top twenty or so shareholders and board members which control around 50% of the company stock. Look at their other major holding and tar by association. These other guys will run from bad press.
The Smith brothers that are running Sinclair already look like they are running the company in the ground, year after year of increasing debt to meet operational cash flow. Almost all of their assets are intangibles as in licenses. If they do something to hurt the value of the "license", shareholders are not going to be happy.
Well, Smallfish, we are not being played...
Thanks for making that point. How anyone with any intelligence (unless he's greedy or a fundie) can support that piece of work is beyond comprehension.
hat, hat, hat....
You guys brought knives to the fight. We're bringin' guns.
It's *that* simple.
Am I missing something here? What happened to turning all of this around to defend Kerry's exercise of his First Amendment rights, rights that he knows are so precious that, as President, he wouldn't feel as threatened by opposing views as W obviously does? To me, that's a huge part of this story. While everyone has gone all wobbly because young Kerry spoke what lots of folks were feeling during the Vietnam War, there's a way to regain the offensive: repeatedly slamming the Bush administration for their documented censoring of anyone who disagrees, including moms who are arrested at rallies; for their unpredecented insistance on secrecy; for their "loyalty oaths"; for Bush's belligerence during the debates. Sure, the SBVT and their ilk are slanderous thugs, and that has to be countered, but that can become the side story if the issue is grabbed head on for what it really is -- freedom for all or just for conservative fascists.
In the Dred Scott case of 1857 the Supreme Court said:
"... a negro, whose ancestors were imported into this country, and sold as slaves. . . were not intended to be included under the word 'citizens' in the Constitution, and can, therefore, claim none of the rights and privileges which that instrument provides for and secures to citizens of the United States."
In the Roe v. Wade case of 1973 the Supreme Court said:
"The word 'person,' as used in the Fourteenth Amendment, does not include the unborn.... [T]he unborn have never been recognized in the law as persons in the whole sense."
a kind of evil connection to further polarize people on the issue of race while sneaking in the issue of abortion.
leave it to the rethugs -- they sure know how to spin the sociopathic stripe in almost any social issue -- if polarization was recognized as an artform, Rove and Hughes would be the Monet and Manet of their time; what a pack of scumbags
the funny thing in all of this is that the preznut couldn't articulate a damned thing or add any relevance/leadership to the discussion -- what a buffoon
More litigious thoughts:
Is the failure to disclose their intention to violate federal election and communication law in their SEC compliance reports (10Q etc.) and the risk to the company from adverse publicity/fines/ boycotts a material enough nondisclosure to justify a class action by investors? Surely some plaintiffs'lawyer in securities law might find this worth looking into.
The Smith brothers that are running Sinclair already look like they are running the company in the ground, year after year of increasing debt to meet operational cash flow. Almost all of their assets are intangibles as in licenses. If they do something to hurt the value of the "license", shareholders are not going to be happy.
Wow, chris/tx, you are Mr. financial wiz kid. I did not know any of that.
Well, Smallfish, we are not being played...
You might be able to claim that,but I have to say I am dumbfounded.I had no idea that was the point and I have to wonder how many swing voters are not clued in to this little secret?This is a powerful argument against junior.Something that can really be used against him.
I have to believe that most of the country is against making abortion illegal,most of the country then,folling that guide,is unaware of the reference.
Lets spread the message.
Junior will out law abortion in his second term
Spread the word,this is political dynamite.
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Gore Lawsuit Challenges Australian Election Results
(2004-10-09) -- Just hours after the polls closed across Australia, and Prime Minister John Howard headed for his fourth term, former U.S. Vice President Al Gore filed a lawsuit in international court at the Hague alleging "irregularities" in the balloting.
The election was seen by many as a referendum on Australia's participation in Operation Iraqi Freedom and the subsequent efforts to bring democracy to Iraq. Mr. Howard's opponent, Mark Latham, had promised to withdraw Australian troops from the Coalition.
"Somebody was disenfranchised or coerced down under," said Mr. Gore, now an itinerant professor. "John Howard betrayed his country. He played on their fears. There's no way they could have re-elected him legally. We'll fight this result all the way to the U.N. Security Council if need be."
Democrat presidential contender John Forbes Kerry expressed displeasure at the Australian election outcome.
"This is the wrong election result, in the wrong place at the wrong time," Mr. Kerry said. "Think of the precedent this sets."
A movie theater next to an Afghan restaurant in the Little Kabul area of Fremont, Calif., displays a sign thanking President Bush for the elections in Afghanistan.
"... a negro, whose ancestors were imported into this country, and sold as slaves. . . were not intended to be included under the word 'citizens' in the Constitution, and can, therefore, claim none of the rights and privileges which that instrument provides for and secures to citizens of the United States."
In the Roe v. Wade case of 1973 the Supreme Court said:
"The word 'person,' as used in the Fourteenth Amendment, does not include the unborn.... [T]he unborn have never been recognized in the law as persons in the whole sense."
Boy, it's appropriate Derrida died today. I mean, I oonce brought back an iguana from Mexico. Iguanas have never been recognized in the law as persons in the whole sense.
Not sure if it's been posted, but the Kerry/Satan thing has been debunked:
http://urbanlegends.about.com/
li...meets_lavey.htm
Not sure if it's been posted, but the Kerry/Satan thing has been debunked:
http://urbanlegends.about.com/
li...meets_lavey.htm
I enlarged a portion of the modus potus Kerry-meets with satanist phony picture and enhanced the contrast.
The true date of the newspaper scan is from February 200x, and a new date has been placed on the page with the article.
It's completely fake.
The Sinclair story is on enough blogs now that it's bound to be picked up by at least someone like Keith Olbermann. (And Atrios does hint at "more fun with them soon," so something's bound to be in the works.) Meanwhile we can help by following Stranger's suggestions (see 9:09), and calling for more media attention to it (and chris/tx's research up there will not have been in vain).
That whole Kerry/Lavey thing is a
A movie theater next to an Afghan restaurant in the Little Kabul area of Fremont, Calif., displays a sign thanking President Bush for the elections in Afghanistan.
twopiece
does that mean that little restaurants in Crawford should be posting signs thanking Jeb for Florida in 2000?
to think that the australian election is in any way tied to the US election is a joke - just because the opposition vowed to remove troops from iraq when they aren't taking the level of casualties we are?
maybe I missed the point - but yours was way off base to start with
mr. no-boner.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/1...ne/
10KERRY.html
NYT Magazine cover story on John Kerry's "Undeclared WAr." Looks to be pretty good.
Anonymous | Email | Homepage | 10.09.04 - 8:48 pm | #
thanx for posting that, tho if anyone reads it i might skip ahead to page 4 or 5.at least skip the paragraphs about bush.
hat?
Mr. President,
On Nov. 3, the whole country is going
to be looking at you like your clock is up.
DAMN! Why is Hell-o-scam eating my links?????
a HOAX, it was a HOAX.
Semi OT, but patriotboy, I love love love your Jesus' General site and I'm so glad it is easy to e-mail now so I can spread your manly heterosexual agenda. A true patriot, sir.
PS: the *comments* are a riot as well.
I read today that Bush is emphasizing his "You can run, but you can't hide" attack on Kerry from last night's debate. Although most have sought to undermine teh argument by pointing out that Bush used similar language re: the still-at-large Bin Laden some years ago, I think there is a better retort.
Bush has spent his entire life running and hiding, and Kerry should have quite easily turned that line on Bush last night. Something along the lines of "I have not run from a fight in my life. I didn't run and hide from service in Vietnam. I didn't run and hide in the Mekong Delta. I didn't run and hide as a prosecutor. I didn't run and hide from public service for most of my adult life. And I don't, Mr. President, run and hide from the truth." There are, of course, many more possible formulations.
Particularly on the Vietnam angle, the run and hide attack is so easily reversed that I don't know why the Bushies dare use it. Kerry should be prepared turn it around at the next debate (if not sooner), because Bush is sure to use it there again. Bush is a coward across so many dimensions -- Kerry should not waste the opportunity to highlight it, and Bush's line is a great opportunity to do so.
If the anti-Kerry movie is anything like that horrendous Bush Hero on 9/11 movie that played awhile back then Big J doesn't have a thing to worry about.
If any multi-millionaire wants to sponsor a show where one does a MST3K type show within a show with rude comments while the anti-Kerry movie is running it might make the stupid thing actually interesting.
Obvious commentators would be Barry Crimmins, Bartcop or any of those folks Atrios is on a first name basis with like Al or Randi or Janeane.
Don't boycott them or write the board or call the advertisers.
Show up at the station following the brodcast and in a polite and business like manner ask for a copy of their Public File. By law they will have to comply with this. If not in the file,ask if any attempt was made to offer the Kerry campaign equal time to rebut this.
Yes, this is the most effective technique. Then they know you know the law. But don't wait until the broadcast. Too late by then.
Do it now. Go as a small group of community activists and ask to reveiw the public file. Write a protest letter and ask them to put it in the public file. Then write to FCC/FEC etc.
Upthread at 8:10pm, I posted the contact info for the top inst shareholder for Sinclair. The CEO
(of this institution, not of Sinclair)
looks like he is a Democrat, since he contributed to Obama and Kerry.
Contact his office.
Thanks bigvic. The comments are often better than the posts.
QP: It's certainly become a trusim that whatever ihs campaign accuses others of, it's because they are the embodiment of that very criticism.
Maybe pointing that out publicly would render all their smears neutral.
I didn't hang out with them, which is why I can't recall any good stories from their teenage years. They did give me grief about an antiwar sign I put up.
More recently, Duncan Smith caused a little trouble in Maryland politics as he provided free helicopter transportation to Governor Ehrlich (R) when he was running for governor against Kathleen Kennedy Townsend. This caused a stir when it came out just before the 2002 election.
You ask Tony Blair if he needs any wood! You just ask him! You just ask him if the quality of the air is any cleaner! Ask him if I invented the hydrogen generated automobile!
We all need an incent to do more better on the environment, there's no question.
Fuck, I have no idea what I'm saying.
OT: When y'all get a chance, if you haven't already seen this pic (Bush's "wire"), check it out abd see if you see what I see, to wit; The lining of Bush's suit jacket is binding across the shoulders, creating a stretched, flat area. The "bulge" is actually the natural drape of the jacket, below the stretched lining. The "cord" is an artifact of the enhancement used. Any seamstresses/tailors out there? Am I full of it? Can I let my tinfoil hat out of the closet, where it's keening miserably? Help a guy out here. My inquiring mind wants to know...then you can go back to the Sinclair Follies.
Sinclair claims that they did indeed try to contact the Kerry campaign, but the Kerry campaign says that Sinclair never contacted them.
If the contact efforts were made, would they show up in the Public File?
Hey Laura, Want some wood in the oval orifice? heh heh Want some wood in the oval orifice? heh heh Want some wood in the oval orifice? heh heh Want some wood in the oval orifice? heh heh Want some wood in the oval orifice? heh heh Want some wood in the oval orifice? heh heh Want some wood in the oval orifice? heh heh Want some wood in the oval orifice? heh heh Want some wood in the oval orifice? heh heh Want some wood in the oval orifice? heh heh
Goober sure seems excited about this, doesn't he.
The lining of Bush's suit jacket is binding across the shoulders, creating a stretched, flat area. The "bulge" is actually the natural drape of the jacket, below th
Of course! That's genius. The man has no spine and the consequence is that the jacket does not fit correctly. It sort of "snakes" up his back.
I have a simple explanation for the bulge on Bush's back during the first debate. The codpiece from his "Mission Accomplished" flight suit cinched up and retracted to his back. That is why he was all hunched over during the debate.
Goober sure seems excited about this, doesn't he.
patriotboy
at the next debate, kerry should accidentally spill some water on the preznut and see if it causes a loud short circuit
PS: the *comments* are a riot as well.
bigvic
Are you making fun of the General's comments, bugpic? You must be one of those bed-wetting Commies that keep trying to drain us of our precious bodily fluids.
I'm watching you, son.
Thanks bigvic. The comments are often better than the posts.
patriotboy
High praise indeed, sir.
Harrumph
If you live in one of the markets, go to their station and ask to see their public file. Mention that the Kerry movie controversy prompted you to wonder about them.
I've done it a few times in the past. The general mamerger always comes out to ask why I'n doing it. It scares the hell out of them.
So,Jinor was wired for sound in Miami and just plain wired last night.
WHat will it take to get the press to notice ,our democracy has been hijacked and will be forevermore,should they not call out junior and his ilegalities.
You ask Tony Blair if he needs any wood! You just ask him! You just ask him if the quality of the air is any cleaner! Ask him if I invented the hydrogen generated automobile!
heh heh. That dumbass was trying so hard to appear intelligent and worldly, (I suppose to counter Kerry's actual worldly inetlligence)
that he mispronounced the name Berlusconi, Italy's PM at least 3 times. OY
Knew I shoulda kep' my freakin' mouf shet.
General,whats your take on dear leaders use of drugs to promote his point of view better in last nights debate?
Heh.
David Smith puts the *sin* in Sinclair.
Heh.
David Smith puts the *sin* in Sinclair.
yeah well who put the dick in bush?
Are you making fun of the General's comments, bugpic? You must be one of those bed-wetting Commies that keep trying to drain us of our precious bodily fluids.
I rest my case! SIR!
Anyone moving this around? The report on Bush's record on civil rights release is pushed back until after the election by GOP, but it's still available online here
NYT story href="http://nytimes.com/2004/10/10/politics/
campaign/10civil.html"> here .
Here's a taste:
"Voting Rights: Despite promising to unite the nation and improve its election system, the President
failed to act swiftly toward election reform.
• He did not provide leadership to ensure timely passage and swift implementation of the Help
America Vote Act (HAVA) of 2002. Thus, Congress did not appropriate funds for election
reform until almost two years into his presidency.
• The administration seated the federal election reform oversight board 11 months behind schedule,
resulting in delayed fund distribution to states. Consequently, states did not have the equipment,
infrastructure, or guidance they needed to meet HAVA’s deadlines, including implementation of
statewide voter registration databases, development of voter complaint procedures, and
installation of new voting equipment.
As a result of the President’s inaction, little will change before the 2004 elections, and the problems
that linger, unless resolved, will most likely disenfranchise some eligible voters."
Underwhelm -- I agree with you, very true. Still, the run/hide line seems too easily - and powerfully - rejoined to pass up. Bush will keep using it, and Kerry should turn the association around.
While Kerry's at it, he might also give a better answer on the $87 billion question. The "I made a mistake in talking about war, Bush made mistake in taking us to war" is OK, but he still seems content to allow Bush to give voters the impression he was against body armor for the troops. Tht's ridiculous. The Dems wanted to sever the troop support part of the $87 billion from the reconstruction grant part, because all the Dems supported the troop aid, but many either opposed the $20 billion reconstruction grant b/c of fear of waste and/or ineffectiveness of the funds and/or wanted the grant to be changed to a loan and/or wanted the aid to be paid for up front. Bush theatened to veto the bill if the reconstruction grant was changed to a loan. Kerry voted "for" the "pay up front" version, and then against the "grant" version, but never changed his mind about the troop aid provision.
Anyway, you all probably know all that. And I know actually answering the $87 billion votes question would require some time and "nuance." But the alternative -- willingly letting Bush paint Kerry as waffling on battle gear for the troops -- is absolutely ludicrous.
I can't believe this site, specifically Atrios, is so gutless about calling Kerry AND Bush on their support of Israel in its occupation of Israel. 'Nuff said?
I can't believe this site, specifically Atrios, is so gutless about calling Kerry AND Bush on their support of Israel in its occupation of Israel. 'Nuff said?
General,whats your take on dear leaders use of drugs to promote his point of view better in last nights debate?
smalfish
Everyone needs a little help now and then, little fella, especially when he has to stay up for 196 hours straight to guard the Homeland and comfort widows and whatnot. Those Commies, errr, terrorists never sleep, and there's a lot of them, let me tell you. Our Leader needs all the help he can get, what with that Kerry fellow attacking him all the time. It makes my patriotic blood boil to think about it, so if you'll excuse me I'm going to pay a visit to a certain Mr. Jack Daniels, if you get my drift.
Harrumph.
Mighty quiet here all of a sudden. Do the generals have your tounges or is everyone off looking at patriotboy's page. If so, I expect lots of pants wetting laughter is going on.
Whoopee we're all gonna die.
Bush is gonna bring back the back-room abortions. And with it? The shame and wasted lives of young girls who get "into trouble." The shunning, the shaming. The GOP'er's will love it, while sending their daughters to our enemy, France, for their abortions(those with money.) Those without money, will farm the girl out, and then see her as tainted when she returns. They'd love to see the "magdalena laundries" instituted in this country. Holy shit. (slapping self) No this is America... Remember???
What I find most offensive about the story is that Smith did his fun and games while driving on the flippin' freeway! I'd hate to be driving in the lane next to him. I'd have slapped him with an added ticket for reckless driving.
Anyone else get the suspicion that the hooker set Smith up to be caught? Maybe he was incredibly cheap and bargained for a discount price. That'd be just like a winger.
BTW, I see nothing unfair about an advertiser boycott. Isn't that how the righties got the Reagan movie off the air?
I can't believe this site, specifically Atrios, is so gutless about calling Kerry AND Bush on their support of Israel in its occupation of Israel. 'Nuff said?
Smalfish,
Our Leader has had a few problems getting the balance between the alcohol and the meth just right--too much booze the first time and too much meth the second. Next debate, he'll have Rush advising him. I think that will help a lot.
I can't believe this site, specifically Atrios, is so gutless about calling Kerry AND Bush on their support of Israel in its occupation of Israel.
I don't like it and I'm going to constantly work to get President Kerry to change his position.
I can't believe this site, specifically Atrios, is so gutless about calling Kerry AND Bush on their support of Israel in its occupation of Israel. 'Nuff said?
This is so stupid in so many ways that we are going to guess it's a sarcastic or hammed-up imitation of someone else.
he'll have Rush advising him. I think that will help a lot
Are you saying Leader is into poppers?
'Nuff said?
As a matter of fact, yes.
Whoopee we're all gonna die.
Bush is gonna bring back the back-room abortions. And with it? The shame and wasted lives of young girls who get "into trouble." The shunning, the shaming.
The wingnuttery are all about feeling superior while crying about the sins of others. They, of course, are just as sinfull as the rest of us but have no empathy for their fellow man.
Better answer on the $87 billion question:
Why did Bush threaten to veto the same bill?
Trying to explain the whole thing is too hard. It has to be short, easy, and make a strong point. Citing the veto threat leads right into the correct explanation - Kerry objected to specific parts of the bill, just like Bush did when he threatened the veto.
Stop feeding the bloated fish.
'Nuff said?
Ormond Otvos
To say the least.
I like Kerry's answer to the 87b thing. The gop attack machine has wasted so much of Kerry's time already (deliberately) on tripe like this, it's best to fling it back the way Kerry does and move on.
From Carville, via the KE04 campaign:
John Kerry versus George Bush. I can hardly wait for the second debate tonight. But for you and me, watching won't get it done. We've got to act by helping John Kerry and the Democratic Party reach a difficult goal by midnight.
It's the first of three critical "make or break" October deadlines for our campaign. If we want to win, we won't let the clock strike twelve without reaching our $5 million goal to put more ads on the air.
Tomorrow morning, key decision makers are going to sit down and figure out the next steps for our TV ads. I need you to make sure that they can make these decisions based on strategy and not financial constraints.
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In order to make these decisions based on strategy alone, the Democratic Party must raise that $5 million on the Internet by midnight tonight. We are almost there, so help put us over the top.
Look, I know that people like me ask you to make contributions all the time. But over the next few weeks, we have to pull out all the stops or we will live to regret it.
I'm not talking about a pinch of remorse or a brief moment of regret. I'm talking about four long years of kicking ourselves because we let George Bush, Dick Cheney, and the Republicans hold on to power.
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Right now, this election is closer than it was in 2000. Whichever side wants victory more, whichever party approaches the final weeks of this campaign with the clearer focus and deeper sense of determination will win.
Four years ago, we fell short of victory by only a handful of votes. Just a few more contributions from just a few more Americans, who meant to act but never did, could have carried Florida for Al Gore and written a very different chapter in the history of our nation.
Again, tonight is the first of three important deadlines and we need you to help get our ads on the air. Don't wake up on November 3 wondering if you had done enough.
but have no empathy for their fellow man.
this is of course the crucial point. They are not followers of Jesus or any other good person. Their leader is Ayn Rand or some similar type. Wacko neocon etc. No true kindness, no true love for fellow man, just the Ann Coulter Karl Rove hyper-Hobbesian nonsense that more resembles Hilter in his bomb shelter than a Lincoln or Roosevelt.
Police followed the car onto the Jones Falls Expressway, where they said they witnessed the two engage in oral sex while Smith drove north.
Either Smith's car has transparent doors, or I have rather a begrudging new respect for Smith, manliness-wise.
Unless the prostitute was broadcasting with a picture cell-phone. Driving north while one's passenger is "going south" is one thing, but using a cell-phone at the same time...
Off with his head!
Our Leader has had a few problems getting the balance between the alcohol and the meth just right--too much booze the first time and too much meth the second. Next debate, he'll have Rush advising him. I think that will help a lot.
foflmao. General, sir, you are correct. Rush would be a good sorce of intelligence on this vital matter of national security (must keep Dear Leader's meds in working order.
You are, indeed a true Patriot, sir.
their support of Israel in its occupation of Israel
Hurts a little, innit?
Employees of the Bush home town newspaper that endorsed Kerry are now receiving threats of intimidation and/or bodily harm. They've chosen to print all the emails they've received, both supportive and disgusted. Brave people, and we need a whole lot more just like them. This story would have gone exactly nowhere if not for that thar internets.
Ormond Otvos: Can you say "Priorities"? I knew you cou....what? You can't? Ah, well, then...Can you say "Eat my shorts"?
Wolcott knocks another one out of the park:
Empty Volcano: For much of last night's debate George Bush looked like a blister about to pop. Loud, mouthy, swaggering, interested only in hearing himself lay down the law, he behaved like a verbally abusive husband. Not a wifebeater but a browbeater with a bar-fighter's grin. It is astonishing and sobering that this dull roar with a one-track mind that runs on tank treads is fighting for reelection instead of facing impeachment; his lies and failures have fed thousands of graves, and filled thousands more hospital beds with bodies and psyches that will never be whole again. And still our mainstream pundits can not, will not see him for what he is. He cracks a corny joke, and they marvel at his Reaganesque humor. He hollers at Charlie Gibson, and he's hailed as a take-charge guy.
Bush reminded me most of Pat Buchanan last night, not perhaps the best model to imitate if you're courting independents and women. The same judo chop to emphasize a point, the same hot-temperature demeanor and rhetoric, the same empty machismo masquerading as decisiveness.
But just as the MSNBC panel, which ought to be shipped to Guantanamo for the duration of the election season, blundered so badly after the Cheney-Edwards debate, the pundits didn't seem to recognize what was happening in front of their eyes last night.
The sanest debate analysis I heard last night came from Fox News' Chris Wallace, who was a guest on Charlie Rose after Charlie had subjected us to some deadbeats. Wallace came across as someone thinking for himself rather than inhaling fumes, and he saw that it was Kerry who was persuasively presidential last night, a perception that may widen over the coming days as the footage of Bush hollering like a hogcaller are replayed to a cringing nation.
Lotta smartass answers, but no substantive ones.
Israel/Palestine is important in so many ways: hundreds of nuclear weapons (why do they get a pass?); dismissal of UN resolutions (they're so important when Saddam violates them); violations of all human rights and Geneval Conventions (massive silence).
In the meantime, the media monitors for the AIPAC make sure any commentary on the significant blogs is neutralized by jeering and horrified gasps. Next is the accusation of anti-semitism.
Have you ever in your life seen a more gotcha! substance-less campaign. 87 Billion Gotcha! Global Test Gotcha! Flip Flop Gotcha!
The Sisyphus Campaign...
What are we going to do? We are going to follow the steadfast course that has been a flaming fiscal, foreign policy, environmental, jobs and education disaster since George W Bush took office in 2000! You can't waver in times like these.
Employees of the Bush home town newspaper that endorsed Kerry are now receiving threats of intimidation and/or bodily harm. They've chosen to print all the emails they've received, both supportive and disgusted. Brave people, and we need a whole lot more just like them. This story would have gone exactly nowhere if not for that thar internets.
This is something that the DNC needs to address...the incredible, sickening, relentless UGLINESS of the Bushbots. I'd love to see someone compile a book of that stuff called "Letters from Bush Supporters." Any sane person reading it would feel very uncomfortable, I think. Lord knows both sides get hot under the collar...but the wackos on the Right seem to START with death threats, and go downhill from there...
Tonight on Matthews show on his "tell me something I don't know" segment, Andrea Mitchell said that some High Powered Republicans are soon to be named in the "Oil for Food Program" Anyone have any ideas?
I just read in the washington monthly that Dred Scott is code for getting rid of Roe v. Wade!!!!!
This was news to me.....
Please spread the word!
The Sisyphus Campaign...
What are we going to do? We are going to follow the steadfast course that has been a flaming fiscal, foreign policy, environmental, jobs and education disaster since George W Bush took office in 2000! You can't waver in times like these.
Falstaff
nice spin ... almost too good, falstaff ... dunno if you caught Bill Maher last night, but he called the preznut a girl with some examples in his "new rules" segment ... a freakin riot
no substantive ones
Scroll back, son.
Anyone have any ideas?
I read somwhere that names were going to come from the house of white.DOnt quote me on this.I am off the record.
Lotta smartass answers, but no substantive ones.
What's your point? I doesn't matter if Kerry turns out to be as big a neo-con as Kristol, at least he can think.
I can hold off any critisisms of Kerry until after November 2.
Tonight on Matthews show on his "tell me something I don't know" segment, Andrea Mitchell said that some High Powered Republicans are soon to be named in the "Oil for Food Program" Anyone have any ideas?
Annya
dunno the names, but it may start with TRMPAC???
The money quote from the Iconoclast article:
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"We expected that perhaps a few readers might cancel subscriptions, and maybe even ads, but have been amazed at a few of the more intense communications, some of which bordered on outright personal attacks and uncalled-for harassment.
"We have been told by several avid Bush supporters that the days when newspapers publish editorials without personal repercussions are over. As publishers, we have printed editorials for decades, and have endorsed candidates, both Republican and Democrat. When Bush was endorsed four years ago, the Gore supporters did not respond with threats, nor did Democrats when we endorsed Reagan twice. Republicans did not threaten us personally or our business when we endorsed Carter and Clinton for their first terms."
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Please write letters of support to these good people; let's drown out the hhatemongers 25 to one! Maybe Atrios could even put it on the front page?
hollering like a hogcaller
Wrong sooo-ie!, at the wrong soooo-ie!, in the wrong soo-soo-soooo-ie!.
Annya, last I heard was that the names of the Americans involved in the corruption were blacked out of the report for "privacy" reasons but the names of foreigners involved were not. The French ambassador was outraged about it on NPR last night.
"Police followed the car onto the Jones Falls Expressway, where they said they witnessed the two engage in oral sex while Smith drove north."
No, Smith is just one hell of a driver if he can felate and see over her chest out the windshield.
n the meantime, the media monitors for the AIPAC make sure any commentary on the significant blogs is neutralized by jeering and horrified gasps. Next is the accusation of anti-semitism.
Ormond Otvos
Everyone here already knows about Israel/Palestine, and it's discussed often. Just because you recently learned about something doesn't mean that everyone else needs to discuss it on your timetable.
I'll let kei and yuri administer a more substantive slapdown, if they're so inclined. (And you better hope they're not, as they don't suffer fools gladly...)
ON THE ZIONIST QUESTION:
Blog commentators, such as myself, are inherently intellectually elitist, but with the usual significant inabilities to see themselves as others see them
Normal for information-gathering conscious entities with profound filtering needs. We can't allow our status with ourself to be challenged by the possibility of being wrong about events we have already chosen to speak on. That would imply we could be wrong.
But we are, obviously, incapable of influencing events in such a fashion that we can insure the success of our offspring by any other means than accumulating power approved by the Establishment we love to criticize.
Bush is such a painful example for intellectuals of how weak they are in the real world of money and power. It's gotta hurt bad. They even turn on their own, easily, and readily, if it will make them temporarily less pained by the realization that they are powerless.
Like chickens pecking at the first sight of red, even if it's the truth. The truth isn't holy here when elitist egos are at stake.
Israel has gone as wrong as George Bush, only longer, and for exactly the same reasons: faith replacing reason; brutality replacing hope in the law; fear replacing cultural strength.
The Jews have much to be ashamed of now. With any harder work, they will surpass the reputation of the Germans, who were only first among equals in stupidity and scapegoating.
But why make your own culture a scapegoat again?
Could "Never Again" really mean never again being so arrogant and simplistic and culturally chauvinistic as to relight the fires of Bergen-Belsen?
Humans don't remember good stuff nearly as well as they remember slights, and cultural chauvinism is definitely a slight.
I iterate: Atrios, why do you not comment on Kerry and Bush's fear of AIPAC? Are you afraid of AIPAC also, with your constant fundraising?
Is it means over ends again?
Ormond
Andrea Mitchell mentioned that the Americans have not been named as of yet, but it is about to happen! Matthews then asked if they were Dems or Repubs, and she answered Republicans. A big Republican scandal couldn't hurt Kerry right about now.
"'Nuff said." The ubiquitous tag line of someone who appears to have just said something and wants you to believe (s)he's made an important point, but has actually told you nothing of any significance whatsoever.
Annya -- are these the same names that are on the front page of the NYT today: "Report Cites Profit by Americans in Sale of Iraqi Oil Under Hussein"?
Actually, I'm freaked by Sinclair's attempt to broadcast such partisan programming on the eve of the election. It's bothered me all day. Corporate media has taken the next step.
What freaks me the most is a sense that this is what the election is really about, the consolidation of political and media power. Sinclair’s attempt to broadcast of this movie is an overt attempt by corporate media to manufacture political consent. Such an act will demonstrate that big media is now an instrument of the political right.
It's one thing to cancel the Dixie Chicks or pull a Reagan movie. That’s politically reactive. It's another to become politically proactive. That's the kind of move you see in ‘30s Germany, Tiananmen Square China or pre- Allawi Iraq. It’s media coming out of the closet, and it’s the harbinger of a totalitarian putsch.
This is very bad news.
Condoleeza Rice worked for Chevron.
Hmm...
why do you not comment on Kerry and Bush's fear of AIPAC? Are you afraid of AIPAC also, with your constant fundraising? Is it means over ends again?
So, let's see what the thinking is here. The boy king and Kerry share the same position on Israel. That position derives from fear of AIPAC. Without fear of AIPAC, the boy king and Kerry would ... what, again?
And, Mister Smith is doubly craven: fearing AIPAC and fearing lost ad revenue. Without fear of AIPAC and concern about advertising revenue, Mister Smith would ... what, again?
A big Republican scandal couldn't hurt Kerry right about now.
...Now I understand why Republicans seem to know so much about this when almost nobody has seen the documents in question. I thought it was just a big ploy to bring down the UN.
I heard Condi has an oil tanker named after her.
Blog commentators, such as myself, are inherently intellectually elitist...
Be careful not to break your arm patting yourself on the back there, bud.
I iterate: Atrios, why do you not comment on Kerry and Bush's fear of AIPAC? Are you afraid of AIPAC also, with your constant fundraising?
Why don't you email Atrios and ask him? He seems to be out at the moment.
My comments are not about the vast number of silly comments in the comments section. They are about Atrios' comments. Someone will please point them out to me?
"I'll let kei and yuri administer a more substantive slapdown, if they're so inclined. (And you better hope they're not, as they don't suffer fools gladly...)"
I'm very terrified at such a prospect. If I was a fool, I'd be even more terrified. Gosh, they sound as evil as the house slapdown artists at TableTalk. I think I can hold my own, but that isn't the idea. The questions, where is Atrios on this?
There was groveling to Israel in the VP debate, and groveling in the first Pres Debate. There was NADA in the second.
Why didn't that dog bark? The opinions of 1.4 billion Muslims no longer count?
That's imperialism for ya.
Ormond
Ormond Otvos
Ormond, the fact that I agree with you about I/P doesn't change the fact that you're a boring, incoherent writer with nothing new or interesting to say on the subject.
Atrios can write about or ignore whatever he wants on his blog. If you don't like his coverage of issues you care about, do your own blog and say whatever you want. Nuff said?
1. swift boat liars
2. CBS memos
3. Oil for food
...and there is the season, who's gonna ride it?- NOT FUCKEN ME!
My comments are not about the vast number of silly comments in the comments section. They are about Atrios' comments.
Yeah, we could tell you aren't interested in speaking with those of us who post in the comments, though you clearly are looking for a group to whom you can lecture.
You're avowedly interested in speaking with Mister Smith.
He provides a public e-mail address for just such purpose: atrios@comcast.net
>A big Republican scandal couldn't hurt Kerry right about now.<
There is no such thing as a Republican scandal. Name ONE person that has been in any kind of trouble.
These fuckers make Teflon Reagan look like fly paper. Nothing sticks to these criminals.
But, we have Martha Stewart in the slam.
In the meantime, the media monitors for the AIPAC make sure any commentary on the significant blogs is neutralized by jeering and horrified gasps. Next is the accusation of anti-semitism.
Ormond Otvos
Ormond, can you say "Paranoid Schizophrenic"? I knew that you...say, you know, you look just like George Bush when you get angry...
Seen any Black Halicopters lately?
So, we're bored, and it's "fear and trembling time" v. verbose and pedantic new arrival.
Seems about normal for a Saturday night.
Refusal to mention AIPAC = "fear of AIPAC"? Quite a leap of logic there, isn't it?
Does disinterest not play a part?
If I was a fool, I'd be even more terrified.
No, if you were a fool, you'd consider yourself competent to prevail in any argument, even with people who are much smarter and better informed than you.
You'd also indulge yourself in bizarre, ridiculous speculations about Atrios's fear of AIPAC, offering no other evidence than that provided by the faulty wiring in your head.
You'd also aggressively present your tepid, dime-a-dozen, poorly written thoughts as challenging new ideas that people "just can't handle."
That's what you'd do if you were a fool.
"...you've lost your mind."
I suspect strongly that he didn't make the statement - the only places it has turned up are Drudge (who reported it originally) and about 40 right wing blogs (who all source Drudge and Drudge alone).
Note that a Google search reveals one real cite: NYT, including a bit of the quote. But when you go to the actual NYT story, the quote isn't there. And yet, if you read the second graf of the story, a Repub guy is quoted as saying Edwards' "remark" is "over the top". What remark? It really looks like the original NYT story used the statement, then removed it but failed to re-edit this part of the story.
Anybody have the print NYT for Oct. 6 to see what it says? And any progress on getting a transcript or video of Nightline from Oct. 4?
Allright, that last one was thorougly unnecessary. Gotta cut back on the late night caffeine.
Has anyone talked this one to death? Josh Marshall has a link to NewsMax, who is reporting that Rove has "a surprise or two" for October. Will it be more slander of Kerry? (High likelihood; but after 3 debates, will that slime stick?). Or is it someting like this?
The Bush administration's exorbitantly wasteful missile defense system is about to be formally activated, just in time for its immediate bull's-eye: Election Day. Despite widespread technological doubts, President Bush promised in 2000 to have a missile shield in place this November. So, even though the $130 billion spent so far has yet to produce anything like a battle-ready system, the Pentagon plans to pronounce it active this month at a half dozen new missile silos on the West Coast.
After Bush's performance in the last two debates, I almost suspect this is the kind of thing Karl is hanging his hopes on. But who knows?
Ormond is one of those guys you read about in the blogs every once in a while. You know, the "I get letters" post most bloggers write now & then. Like that yahoo who was soooo disappointed in JMM a while back.
Hey, Ormond? you need to get yer own blog, Nome Seine?
Jeffers: The Bush administration's exorbitantly wasteful missile defense system is about to be formally activated
The president says the greatest danger facing us is terrorists smuggling nuclear bombs into our country. Yet during the debates, the president ridicules his opponent for wanting to spend more to protect our ports and borders by saying, "where's the money going to come from?" He then touts a 15 billion dollar missile defense program that doesn’t even work. Isn’t that fighting the wrong war at the wrong time?
The campaign could use this, but doesn't.
Personally, the Sinclair thing is much more of a concern, but my post didn't seem to get a nod.
RMJ: My immediate thought on reading that was that Rove had just immunized himself--and Boosh--against any real October Surprise(s) that might be of a violent nature. Like, say, a Terrorist bombing a week or so before the Election. Well, I had to let my tinfoil hat out of the closet; the wailing was driving me sane...
Any sane person reading it would feel very uncomfortable, I think. Lord knows both sides get hot under the collar...but the wackos on the Right seem to START with death threats, and go downhill from there...
Amen, Phia. Nothing, and I mean nothing on the left could ever compare to the vile, purely hateful deeds of the right.
The GOP is where decency goes to die.
bush is coming unglued. The jaw twitch he has displayed during today's appearances is very disturbing.
"A big Republican scandal couldn't hurt Kerry right about now.<
There is no such thing as a Republican scandal. Name ONE person that has been in any kind of trouble.
These fuckers make Teflon Reagan look like fly paper. Nothing sticks to these criminals.
But, we have Martha Stewart in the slam."
Word. And, by the by, did you hear she was "strip searched???"
Was ollie north? didn't he do time? No. We won't be hearing about his male body being searched.
Jeffers: The Bush administration's exorbitantly wasteful missile defense system is about to be formally activated
Well, let's be clear. They will claim it is activated. With only Russia and China capable of flinging missiles at us anytime soon (NK might hit Japan, with the right tail wind), we'll never know if it works or not, but they will assure us it is keeping nuclear war away just as Bush has kept the elephants...er, terrorists...away.
bigvic--and is this Rove feint a feitn within a feint? Only time will tell, really; but I'm trying to imagine what would be big enough to resurrect Bush at this point. Maybe my imagination is too small....
And finally, eine kleine nachtmusik....er, eine kleine James Wolcott, rather:
My provisional opinion, contingent upon no unforseen events altering the current dynamics (i.e, a meteor crashing through the ceiling of the auditorium), is that Kerry is grinding Bush into such fine pencil shavings that even Peggy Noonan will not be able to sweep him up and make him whole.
OT... but watching Bush on cspan. Has he always had that jaw and cheek twitching thing? I generally can't watch him for more than a few seconds so I haven't seen a lot of footage of him.
It's one thing to cancel the Dixie Chicks or pull a Reagan movie. That’s politically reactive. It's another to become politically proactive. That's the kind of move you see in ‘30s Germany, Tiananmen Square China or pre- Allawi Iraq. It’s media coming out of the closet, and it’s the harbinger of a totalitarian putsch.
That sounds about right. Although, wasn't Sinclair the outfit that organized political rallies for boy king? That organization has already been politically active -- via its media holdings.
stinky feet...There is no such thing as a Republican scandal. Name ONE person that has been in any kind of trouble.
How many unattractive pictures have you seen from Bushes "troubled" years? That should tell you something about how effective they are at sanitizing history.
Great wire story out titled Bush campaign banking on president's refusal to admit error
Great article if you can't tell by the title..
de-Sade, I did see your post about Sinclair, but maybe we don't want to dwell on the horror right now. So lets concentrate on tactics. I agree with chris/tx(nice research BTW) that the investors will not like this. That's where to hit 'em. Also the General had a good suggestion about demanding the public file, and somebody else mentioned writing letters to local papers in those markets.
Anybody have the print NYT for Oct. 6 to see what it says? And any progress on getting a transcript or video of Nightline from Oct. 4?
Someone, on another, earlier thread posted and ABC news transcript (can't vouch for its authenticity) where Little-Big John really did say that.
Big farkin' deal. It's true and most folks in this entire world would agree. Amazing how the viscous, rabbid right become *incensed* over such trivia.
mr_superlove,
Damn, if Bob Barr is bailing on chimpy.....
That's pretty amazing.
Hey y'all, debate skit on SNL.
Has he always had that jaw and cheek twitching thing?
Nah. I think he was grinding his teeth, trying not to scowl.
Wait'll you get to the part where he starts tapping his foot impatiently.
Furious George is furious!
Monica... wasn't Sinclair the outfit that organized political rallies for boy king?
Organizing rallys is one thing. Using your control of nationwide media outlets to broadcast political propaganda on the eve of a close election is something else.
I would have SWORN that somebody here last night posted the the language of a reg that prohibits broadcasting of certain political content... 30 days before a party convention, 60 days before a federal election, something like that -- I couldn't have DREAMED reading it, but I just Ctrl-F'd every thread from last night and cannot find it. It was posted 2 or 3 times, I thought, at least partly in boldface.
No WAY I went to bed and dreamed about reading posts here.
If it actually is illegal to do what Sinclair is contemplating, wouldn't the DNC be the ones to raise hell? Not saying that we shouldn't, but if a legal challenge is made, who could bring it?
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Perhaps it was the Reagan movie that was pulled? Since it put him in bad light and had an election proximity?
SNL is going after Bush tonight-the "internets"
The lumber company is just a sham allowing Shrub to fuck over the country through TAX EVASION. If he's filing as a small business, it would seem that this fact should be trumpeted. What the fuck has happened that major corruption and chicanery are practically ignored by the media? It's time for a REAL law and order party to make ALL these fuckers do a perp walk. We've all been witness to high treason and I think it's high time some executions took place. Let's ask Chalabi a few questions....or have our wonderful Egyptian torture chamber staff see what they can get. I'm not afraid of these brain-dead twits and I'm sick of the half-assed pleas politely whispered from the left. None of us should rest until Tom DeLay is in fucking jail. And let's re-locate the Yucca Mountain facility to fucking Sugarland, Texas.
And of course by "executions", I mean after lengthy and humiliating trials, in case Ashcroft's assholes are listening in here. Or the fucking asswipe criminals in the Secret Service. Arrest my cock with your mouths, you fucks!
The jaw twitch is new. It's a texas sized twitch. bush seemed to be sweating heavily in the couple of appearances I saw him in today also.
Kerry was good today:
"The reason I though he was making all those scowling faces was because he saw the latest job numbers," Kerry told about 10,000 people at a rally in this northeastern Ohio community. At another point, Kerry joked that he was "a little worried ... I thought the president was going to attack (moderator) Charlie Gibson."
Lord knows both sides get hot under the collar...but the wackos on the Right seem to START with death threats, and go downhill from there...
Well, in Daniel Okrent's swansong, he accuses the left of being nastier, and blames the bloggers
Toodles, Daniel.
That sounds about right. Although, wasn't Sinclair the outfit that organized political rallies for boy king?
No, that was Clear Channel. Same gig, different name.
BUSH ADMINISTRATION MAKING
REVOLUTIONARY PROGRESS WITH
ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION.
Well, from the link by iceblink, this is what it's come to:
It was all on display after the debate, when White House chief of staff Andrew H. Card Jr. showed up for the ritual spinning of the press. He insisted that the Duelfer report confirmed everything Bush had been saying all along, by concluding "that Saddam was cheating on the sanctions."
He was then asked whether that was sufficient justification for a preemptive invasion.
He replied, "I believe it is - in the context of Sept. 11, 2001. Saddam was still a gathering threat."
And they will ride that theme to victory or defeat in a mere 23 days.
Bush is resolute; or stupid. Steadfast; or blindly stubborn. He doesn't do "nuance"; or he's too ignorant to understand "grey."
And by the way, we invaded Iraq because Hussein was a "gathering threat." (And Duelfer's report confirms the thrtat was gathering largely between Bush's ears). Although NK has acquired nuclear weapons since 9/11. And Al Qaeda is still operating freely. And all our soldiers are just bomb fodder, and little more.
Kerry has whittled Bush down to this. So now we'll see. Do the American people want a blindered ideaologue who sticks to "principals" despite reality?
Or do they want a man who understood what Lord Keynes reportedly understood: "When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?"
Um...sorry for that outburst! What I meant to say was "Go Team Go!"
Where are my pills? Did I mix 'em up with Georgie's?
Organizing rallys is one thing. Using your control of nationwide media outlets to broadcast political propaganda on the eve of a close election is something else.
That's a fair point. Just saying that it is a step on the way for Sinclair; the behavior is completely in character for that company, however alarming.
And it is alarming.
The scary thing about the SNL debate sketch is they really aren't adding that much to what Bush said. The real Bush was no more coherent than the actor making fun of him.
Karin... That's where to hit 'em.
Wrote to senator and congressman already, not to mention the regional Sinclair broadcaster (a CBS affiliate).
The fact that they're overtly threatening this is what's alarming. They've pulled back the curtain on themselves to reveal that the wizard isn't harmless.
Is SNL worth watching tonight?
Oooh, oooh, I know, the unveiling of an untested missile defense system which, only two days later, shoots down an 'incoming terrorist missile' from Pakistan. (I use Pakistan because they cooperated on the al queda arrest during the democratic national convention. Remember that?)
4 more years, 4 more years, 4 more years, 4 more years, 4 more years, 4 more years.
You're right bunny. I think they just took the transcript and punched it up a bit.
Is SNL worth watching tonight?
Probably not.
Is SNL worth watching tonight?
No WAY I went to bed and dreamed about reading posts here.
Didn't some group try to challenge the original release of F 9/11 on these grounds? Because it was coming out close the conventions?
It didn't get anywhere, but that's where I remember first hearing of a regulation on political speech. and now the memory is so bad, I can't remember anything else about it.
OMG, SNL opener was hilarious. Much better than last week's. Pretty much shredded Bush.
SNL just slammed GWB bad.
OT -- I am so pumped! I did outreach for Kerry/Edwards for 2 hours at a local shopping center today. We had several people approach us, wanting bumper stickers, and saying, "Can you believe Bush last night? We've got to get that man out of office." I live in a very Republican county, but I'm seeing a lot of Kerry bumper stickers.
By the way, several people told us they had put K/E bumper stickers on their cars, but Bushies had ripped them off. We advised them to put them inside the rear window, taping them to the car. Someone asked why they weren't seeing Kerry/Edwards signs around town. The reason is --they've been stealing those also.
The SNL debate skit fell totally flat. I like it that way.
I think that Saturday Night Live opening just gave Kerry a 4-6% boost. Bush came off looking...real.
he SNL debate skit fell tot
troll verbiage -go home to eat some WhizCheney
Gore Lawsuit Challenges Australian Election Results
(2004-10-09) -- Just hours after the polls closed across Australia, and Prime Minister John Howard headed for his fourth term, former U.S. Vice President Al Gore filed a lawsuit in international court at the Hague alleging "irregularities" in the balloting.
The election was seen by many as a referendum on Australia's participation in Operation Iraqi Freedom and the subsequent efforts to bring democracy to Iraq. Mr. Howard's opponent, Mark Latham, had promised to withdraw Australian troops from the Coalition.
"Somebody was disenfranchised or coerced down under," said Mr. Gore, now an itinerant professor. "John Howard betrayed his country. He played on their fears. There's no way they could have re-elected him legally. We'll fight this result all the way to the U.N. Security Council if need be."
Democrat presidential contender John Forbes Kerry expressed displeasure at the Australian election outcome.
"This is the wrong election result, in the wrong place at the wrong time," Mr. Kerry said. "Think of the precedent this sets."
A movie theater next to an Afghan restaurant in the Little Kabul area of Fremont, Calif., displays a sign thanking President Bush for the elections in Afghanistan.
A clockwork orange is on the independent film channel. Or, the life of your typical white, male Bush supporter.
trolls!
RMJ,
Would you be a dear and give a thumbnail on what the NYT article you linked to was about? I detest registered sites. Thanks.
A long time ago, I saw Terry Gilliam animated short about the history of aviation.
In it, the first thing developed is the airplane ticket. That is followed by airports and runways and baggage handlers, etc, but they still don't have an airplane. The gate leads to a cliff where the passanger jumps off with some bird wings.
When I read about them deploying portions of the missile defense system on specially designed ships off the coast of North Korea, I thought of that skit.
Edwards may have spoken those words, but in what context? For example, he may have said, "When I meet people from Europe they tell me, 'If you live in the United States of America and you vote for George Bush, you've lost your mind.'"
The line as quoted sounds like it was taken out of context.
totally flat. I like it that way.
There's no accounting for tastes.
There's a website where people dump their registrations to things like the NYTimes. You can use that site to enter them. Anybody know its URL?
Hey pol, I showed up late for canvassing, but helped assemble yard signs at our sign up table. Good steady stream of well wishers coming by for buttons, signs, and stickers, and the VA 10th is where Virginia begins its slide from blue to red. I'm still a little skeptical about pulling out a win statewide, but it's gonna be closer than it's been in a while, and heck, we still might do it.
Amazing how many Red Sox fans we've got here too. Go sox!
OT: big article on wired bubble boy on cryptome.org:
" A system like this works by receiving a signal from a wireless microphone being used by a coach or advisor who is speaking to the person wearing the system. The "bodypack" receives the signal and supplies the coaching or queuing to the ear canal by either a hard wire, or though a magnetic neck loop induction system. The covert neck loop systems are very popular in cases where the speaker does not want the public to know they are being coached."
Hey Atrios, look:
Corrections
Published: October 9, 2004
An article on Thursday about the place of religion in the presidential campaign misstated the results of a Pew poll last weekend that showed President Bush favored over Senator John Kerry among white Roman Catholics. The showing was 49 percent to 33 percent in that group, not 40 percent to 33 percent. The article also drew a flawed comparison between the recent poll and the actual balloting in previous races. An October 2000 poll showed that white Catholics favored Al Gore over Mr. Bush by 44 percent to 42 percent. (Comparisons with presidential election results from 1960, 1996 and 2000 were invalid because those results reflected the votes of all Catholics, not just whites.)
pol,
Here in Wichita KS, I've yet to see one B/C sign, but there are lots of K/E's. Pretty much the same for bumper stickers, (though I have seen a few B/C's.) Compared to October 2000, it's like night and day.
The local University (WSU) did a scientific poll that showed bush up 11 points on Kerry.
For Kansas, that's pretty amazing.
Monica...And it is alarming.
With access to millions of viewers, the prospect that they could alter the outcome of he election is very real, whether by energizing the Bush base or by influencing a few hundred thousand swing voters.
I don't know all the details on their scheduling of the broadcast, but airing it 24 to 48 hours in advance of the vote could well determine the outcome of a close election.
This is an October surprise with huge implications because if it happens, and it works, we can kiss free elections goodbye.
Important articles that require regisration should be posted on dead threads.
Prince? Is this the 80s?
Hedgehog:
Here's what I was looking for...kinda:
An article in some copies yesterday about a campaign rally by Senator John Edwards misstated the setting in which he said, "I'd say if you live in the United States of America, and you vote for George Bush, you've lost your mind.'' It was a rally on Sept. 26 in Lewiston, Me., not an interview with the ABC program "Nightline'' that was broadcast on Monday.
I did learn something from Bush last night . . . I never knew that hydrogen could generate automobiles. Who'd a thunk it?
Anybody need any wood?
anon, the website for registration to sites like the Times is bugmenot.com
If you use firefox, you can get an extension that allow you to just right click in the username field and it will retrieve a username/password from bugmenot. If you're on IE you'll have to copy/paste it yourself.
Didn't some group try to challenge the original release of F 9/11 on these grounds? Because it was coming out close the conventions?
Yep, but they were without a case because there was nothing in the Campaign Finance Reform Act to forbid it. The Sinclare thing might be all smoke and mirrors, for all we know. But I would put nothing past the GOP.
Remember the Constitution Restoration Act of 2004?
H.R.3799
Title: To limit the jurisdiction of Federal courts in certain cases and promote federalism.
One thing it will prohibit is Supreme Court review of cases involving religion and God.
It's back...
Latest Major Action: 9/13/2004 House committee/subcommittee actions. Status: Subcommittee Hearings Held.
http://tinyurl.com/3sux5
Gilliard just published an interesting excerpt from a Rolling Stone article on the media's anti-Kerry bias. Guess who figures prominently???
As a result of the media bias against Kerry, there is an unmistakable disconnect between what you see on the trail when you travel with him and the way he is depicted in the media. On Mike McCurry's first trips on the plane, the Thursday and Friday after Labor Day, he immediately identified the animosity that existed between Kerry and the press corps. Specifically, the traveling press were mad because Kerry had not given a press conference since August 9th, five days into the SBVT controversy. McCurry realized he needed to fix the problem at once.
So, late on Friday night, well into a flight from Denver to Boston, McCurry made his way to the rear of the plane, where network cameramen, still photographers and reporters who do not work for A-list dailies -- a group that includes both reporters from the newsweeklies, such as Time, and members of the press from states sure to go to Bush, such as Texas -- are seated. One reporter not so jokingly referred to this section as "steerage." McCurry approached Nedra Pickler, an Associated Press correspondent -- a sturdy, unflinching woman who takes her job deadly seriously.
"Would you be willing to participate in a group interview on deep background," McCurry asked her, "should Kerry come back to the reporters?"
"No," Pickler said flatly over the roar of the jet engines. "It is the position of the Associated Press that if John Kerry were to meet with reporters, the interview should be on the record."
"But it will give you an idea," McCurry said, "of what his thinking is at the moment about the campaign. You can attribute what he says to someone close to the campaign. Then next week we will have an on-the-record press conference. This can help you prepare for that."
Some reporters, such as Susannah Meadows of Newsweek and myself, were happy to meet with Kerry on background -- a perfectly acceptable journalistic practice. But all of the reporters had to agree, McCurry said; otherwise, no deal. This, however, is what was strange. The reporters seemed to take a perverse pleasure in standing up to Kerry, in not giving him what he wanted. "He gets more out of this than we do," one reporter said loudly. "He's the one in trouble."
Who wants to bet that "one reporter" is the Pickle?
Has anybody figured out what Bush's "off-road diesel engine" was?
I mean, what the fuck was he talking about?
Do you suppose George was auditioning for "Saturday Night Live"?
Go sox! The only unreal reality that is allowed is in baseball.
anon, the website for registration to sites like the Times is bugmenot.com
I use the bugmenot if there's a talked about story I really want to check out, but the passwords keep changing and you do have to go to the trouble of finding the PW, then going back to the site...you know what I mean. But I'm greatful bugmenot is doing a great service.
Has anybody figured out what Bush's "off-road diesel engine" was?
Had to be either farm equipment or construction equipment. Halliburton. Archer Daniels Midland.
The cryptome.org site says that the freq of the ear pieces is well known. Someone should set up a device that generates white noise or zips up and down the frequency spectrum, and broadcast it near the auditorium in the next debate.
"He gets more out of this than we do," one reporter said loudly.
Nedra is dating the wrong guys, and it's tainted her whole outlook on life.
BTW, Cheney skit on SNL.
I mean, what the fuck was he talking about?
Not sure, but possibly farm vehicles or construction vehicles? I think ATV's and snowmobiles use gas.
Correction:
Cheney/Edwards debate skit.
Last spring Sinclair refused to show the counting of the dead in Iraq, and I remember reading that it was in order to not to affect elections. I have to dig this thing up in my archives, because it seems that they have changed their minds on affecting elections.
"Not sure, but possibly farm vehicles or construction vehicles? I think ATV's and snowmobiles use gas."
You're probably right, but why the ENGINE would be characterized as "off-road" instead of the VEHICLE is rather . . . oh, wait, I forgot--we're dealing with a retard.
Never mind.
Sorry, it was already included in the LATimes article:
The company made headlines in April when it ordered seven of its stations not to air Ted Koppel's "Nightline" roll call of military dead in Iraq, deeming it a political statement "disguised as news content." Sen. John McCain, the Republican from Arizona who was a prisoner of war in Vietnam, was among those who criticized Sinclair's decision not to air the "Nightline" program, which featured the names and pictures of more than 700 U.S. troops.
bunny, I'm in VA 11th district.
Hey. Just wanted to remind everyone that Bush "did" lots of decisions.
What a friggin' moran.
"I did that decision."
Lord. Why us?
Remember the Constitution Restoration Act of 2004?
It's back...
pol
Oh, for Christ's sake...
t Bush "did" lots of decisions
The "Decisions" is a family of servents the Bush family employed.
Hey pol, going to a debate party Wednesday? Nobody at our event seemed to know where one was going to be.
In other NoVA news, rumor is Wes Clark and John Grisham are both doing appearances for Kerry locally in the next few weeks.
Man, that is a dead-on Cheney.
H.R.3799
Title: To limit the jurisdiction of Federal courts in certain cases and promote federalism.
One thing it will prohibit is Supreme Court review of cases involving religion and God.
It's back...
Dear god! This and all the other scary stuff upthread about Bu$h being fed answers and the fucked up press sticking it to Big John, etc. has made me realize that if you put this in a novel about politics in the USA in 2004 people would laugh their asses off at how nuts it was.
Remember the Constitution Restoration Act of 2004?
pol, they can try to pass it as many times as they like. It's a clear violation of the separation of powers, and the Supremes will smack it down.
Echidne...Last spring Sinclair refused to show the counting of the dead in Iraq, and I remember reading that it was in order to not to affect elections.
IMO, it appears there's a media trend. As I recall, following the 2000 campaign Gore a count of comments showed a much higher negative to positive ratio compared to Bush commentary, particularly on cable news media.
This year, the most identifiable trend is to unapologetically weigh panels with conservative observers. This seems particularly true with cable news. Excluding Fox, there's Novak, Schneider, Buchanan, Scarborough and now Ginsburg, not to mention others with a less obvious bent.
If Sinclair can get away with this, and it works (both big ifs at this point), what's left? What more do they need to do to control the electoral process short of putting soldiers at the polling places?
Not sure if it's been posted, but the Kerry/Satan thing has been debunked:
Ur ban Legend's debunking of Kerry - Satanist meeting
Matthew Hamilton | Email | Homepage | 10.09.04 - 9:32 pm
Checked the link out and they've PhotoChopped a photo of Rami Salami (a clown busker) shaking hands with Kerry.
I know I've got some photos of Rami Salami around here someplace doing his thing in Harvard Sq. years ago...
But I don't understand what these freepvangelicals and Little Green Raelians have against the right winger for the Buffalo Sabres.
Hi Tom,
Lunchbreak in HongKong?
Not sure if it's been posted, but the Kerry/Satan thing has been debunked:
Of course the Ben Franklin/Satan thing is perfectly true.
Pol what is your city? It sounds like mine.
pol, they can try to pass it as many times as they like. It's a clear violation of the separation of powers, and the Supremes will smack it down.
Karin, just imagine if Bu$h got/gets to appoint a few more wingnut judges to the Supermes. And if you haven't read about the Fed Appeals Ct. in Cinncinati split 8/7 to execute a man in a murder/rape case that had been cleared of rape by DNA evidence.
4 of the 8 justices, all rethugs were appointed by Bu$h
Not sure if it's been posted, but the Kerry/Satan thing has been debunked
Yeah, but what about the Bush/Satan connection?
I'm still waiting for the skinny on that one.
Just getting ready to go out and watch dragon dancers and a religious festival, Karin.
But you can check out this story from the Chinese-language Apple Daily (hong kong) on an art exhibition being cancelled in Washington DC for Monday. Check out the painting that caused the closure. Funny sh*t!
de Sade, not much else is needed. Soldiers at the polling places might materialize anyway if there is a 'credible' terrorist threat against the elections. But we are not going there, because we are going to fight this thing and win it.
imho,In a case like this, the politics of the judges don't matter. The bill is a clear attempt to limit the jurisdiction of the court. No Supreme Court justice wants their power infringed upon.
It's just the R's catering to their base, so they can go home to the rubes and brag about what they voted for.
The jaw twitch is new. It's a texas sized twitch. bush seemed to be sweating heavily in the couple of appearances I saw him in today also.
hadenough | Email | Homepage | 10.09.04 - 11:39 pm | #
I actually forced myself to watch (sound off, of course) much of his speech in Minnesota today, on C-SPAN. His jaw was twitching throughout, usually after he finished spouting something.
One thing I noticed was that he was not doing his normal smirk, if that's the right word for it. You know that expression, where he juts his head forward and scrunches his face up into a combination grimace and smile, as if he's practically begging the audience to give him some lovin'. That expression was gone, to be replaced by the jaw twitching.
So it looks like they've been doing some work on Bush. Botox perhaps? Or some sort of implant? It's not an improvement. He now looks mean and angry all the time, like a twitchy, ornery Nixon. I guess the current state of anti-smirking technology is too primitive for Bush.
I expect they're going to do some more work on Bush before the next debate. They have to. But I bet they'll screw that up too. Wednesday's going to be interesting -- and probably not a little scary.
Sorry, but I am just cannot help but feel that the overwhelming tone of these posts is that of an over inflated sense of power, if not ego. Please don’t take this as an insult – I just think we are missing the “big picture” if we believe that this is really just about a bogus TV program. I agree that Sinclair is up to no good and this has to be stopped or neutralized. It is my understanding that Karl has hinted that they have some “surprises” coming up (sorry, but I am not going to take the time to locate the article I saw and provide the link). These people play hardball. Stunts like these just create diversions that the spinmeisters can claim are swinging the election back to Bush.
IT WILL NOT MATTER IF THE PUBLIC ACTUALLY IS SWAYED by the actual showing of this program. THAT MAY NOT EVEN BE THEIR INTENTION. Regardless of the ACTUAL impact of this program – these types of dirty tricks will provide justification for voter fraud. The Bushies can claim that the discrepancies between the polls and reported vote counts are due to the public’s reaction to the showing of this film. If the program is somehow “cancelled,” due to boycotts or threats, they can spin it as a “backlash” to the SCLM. I guess I am just trying to say that it would not be wise to take this story at face value – the propaganda that comes out of this administration is just too good. It would be foolish to assume that the Sinclair decision is what it seems to be on the surface! I hope we can find a way to neutralize this and turn it into more support for a Kerry win – but this will not happen if we just go off half-cocked assuming that this represents an irresponsible decision by a wingnut network. My take is there is much more at work here..
Underwhelm,
Thanks for the debunking. I'll push it back at the source. I sort of suspected the picture was fake since the shadow around Kerry seemed to be cast at the wrong angle for a face-on flash photo. The faker naively copied the shadow thickness and angle from the other guy. But the date is a lot easier to argue with.
I can't believe this site, specifically Atrios, is so gutless about calling Kerry AND Bush on their support of Israel in its occupation of Israel. 'Nuff said?
First point, umm, this site is specifically Atrios. That is why we come here.
Second point, calling Atrios gutless. Is the color of the sky on your planet the same as Gov. George Bush's?
Third point, what exactly do you expect from a pseudononymous blogger that Gov. Bush, President Clinton, President Bush the Smarter, President Reagan, President Carter, President Ford and President Nixon couldn't deliver?
So it looks like they've been doing some work on Bush. Botox perhaps?
Not botox....Its called
Methamphetamine
The presidents doctors have made junior relapse.
Relapsing addicts are so dangerous.Addiction does not stop,it progresses.Once you start in again,its like you never stopped.In fact,some adicts actually are worse once they relapse than they ever were when they stopped.Addiction is a disease you dont want to fuck around with and the presidential doctors are messing with the security of the whole world.
Simply amazing.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp...4-
2004Oct9.html
Why do these Marines hate America?
You'll all be gald to know that the GOP has been caught doing what it does best in West Virginia.
I don't think that Sinclair should be prevented from airing the movie. I think a bright light should be shone on them for their violation of the public trust (exposing them as tools of the administration), and we should push to have competing message of equal or greater value should air in as many or more households.
This would be parity while not contradicting our values for speech and democratic ideals. The high road doesn't have to be
I don't think that Sinclair should be prevented from airing the movie. I think a bright light should be shone on them for their violation of the public trust (exposing them as tools of the administration), and we should push to have competing message of equal or greater value should air in as many or more households.
This would be parity while not contradicting our values for speech and democratic ideals. Taking high road doesn't have to be a disadvantage.
If the firefighters are voting for John Kerry and the Democrats. That's good enough for me.
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""The local University (WSU) did a scientific poll that showed bush up 11 points on Kerry.
For Kansas, that's pretty amazing.""
Central Scrutinizer
Get rid of Sam Brownback.
..
Sinclair's spinmeisters should show the movie and its fetid lies. Humor is the best disinfectant.
Actually, Mr Bill's post raises some good points. It's easy for the GOP to get a win-win situation. If it airs, they get to lie to millions of people. If it doesn't, then Kerry and his people are "afraid" of it, and therefore engaged in "censorship."
The GOP's weakest point is their tendency to overreach, and as they get more desperate they're doing more of it. I'd say let 'em broadcast the goddamn thing...but instead it sparking a debate on Kerry after it airs, let's have it spark a debate on the role of the media in this country, right now. In their state of turmoil, these people are reduced to putting their inner workings on display--thereby exposing a huge weakness--and we should be grateful to 'em for the opening!
even more Wolcott....
"When he turns his head to the right, he hears the voice of Karen Hughes telling his tie gives him secret powers. When he cocks his head to the left, he hears the voice of God telling him that Democrats are a race of devil-men. And when rotates his head semi clockwise and pauses, he hears the ruby-lipped, husky-FM-radio voice of Sister Cocaine telling him she knows her baby would like a taste of her sweet white goodness, yes he would, you know you want it, baby, Sister Cocaine make you feel so fine...and so on, as he begins to sway on his feet and a strange smile strays across his face."
re:Sinclair
Get the "cable guy" on it. He knows where to cut.
I broke my own rule and watched SNL.
I thought their political skits {WU & Cheney-Edwards satire] were lame and I think they played right into the Breck Girl & Elitist professor stereotypes.
I'm surprised at Tina Fey saying that Kerry lost the audience when he said "Orwellian".
As you know these shows influence voters.
It was as bad as the "lockbox" crap they pulled on Gore in 2000. Sheeesh.
Duff Man and Small fish
One thing I always have wondered about was Bush's drooping corner of the mouth on the left side I think. I am wondering if he has nerve damage in that area. I thought I was seeing a dimple similar to the one Johnny Cash had. Depending on how he felt and how tired he was it showed or was fairly smooth. I think Cash had it because they cut the nerve in that area by accident during some medical procedure.
The smirk, while I hate it doesn't perplex me as much as his all tooth smile lately. It looks like something I used to see on old country guys who spent too much time with chaw. It looks like there is something in the back of of his teeth to generate that type of smile. To me it is new, but I am not sure. It is like his lip is trying to escape up into his nose. And his teeth look strange as hell as well, all worn down like kernels of corn.
who gives a fuck about worn out SNL
they don't influence shit
Was cheered to see that Going Upriver is showing at two theaters in San Antonio, which should help counter the fact that there are 2 Sinclair outlets in town.
quentin
Not anymore... sadly.
Jeebs which theaters?
EkCenTrik
Believe it.
Bush was/is now on dope.
There is no question in my mind.He shows all the signs of being high.THe skiddishness,the anxeity,the grinding of the teeeth,the unusual behavior he dispalyed last night.All of it points to drug abuse.
When your high you can do quite a few things well,for awhile.The one thing you cannot do tho,is fool those in the know.
Smallfish
You might have a point when I think back. It has been years since I was around anyone that I was aware of being high. But it did look right for someone doing speed. The outburst would be in keeping with the standard behavior.
Get rid of Sam Brownback.
Well, if it were up to me it would be a done deal.
Unfortunatly, it's not up to me.
Mr Bill... My take is there is much more at work here.
You may be right. From what little I've read the law appears to forbid it, but that's certainly no guarantee. So at the risk of sounding like chicken little, the sky is falling.
Who knows what motives are at work. Sinclair could argue it's a first amendment issue, although I don't see where a licensee of broadcast spectrum, or corporate owner of multiple licensees, can make a case for political free speech if its one-sided. Then again, corporations have many of the rights individuals possess under the law?
Maybe it's a useful diversionary tactic, or seen as a rhetorical argument given the wide release, promotion and distribution of F9/11 in supermarkets and video rental shops.
Whatever it is, it poses a real danger. The most disturbing thing is that we're even having this conversation.
who gives a fuck about worn out SNL
they don't influence shit
quentin
Amen to that. Blogs are the new SNL.
Seriously.
re: Sicclair
''Get the "cable guy" on it. He knows where to cut.''
Beter yet, hijack the signal and pump in some porno - "BUSH WACKERS"
17 of the world's most hairy beavers on DVD/Video
who gives a fuck about worn out SNL
they don't influence shit
quentin
Amen to that. Blogs are the new SNL.
Seriously.
Mea Culpa.
(Fucking Haloscan dropped my name.)
Anonymous
Don't forget John Stewart...
EkCenTrik, here 'ya go:
Going Upriver will be showing in San Antonio at the following places and times:
Santikos Crossroads
4522 Fredericksberg Rd
San Antonio, TX 78201
Showtimes: 12:45pm | 3:10pm | 5:35pm | 7:55pm | 10:15pm
Regal Fiesta Sixteen
12631 Vance Jackson Road
San Antonio, TX 78230
Showtimes: 12:35pm | 2:45pm | 4:55pm | 7:10pm | 9:30pm
Jeebs
Thanks, I didn't mean for you to to all that work heh. I feel a bit guilty about being lazy and not looking it up myself. Now if I can squeeze time in to sse it.
EkCenTrik... Don't forget John Stewart.
I still keep Black's "Huddled Humilation" handy.
http://www.comedycentral.com/mp/...ck/
lb_9019.html
I'm not sure if anyone has done this yet, but I looked up the political donations for the all the of the Officers and Key Executives of the Sinclair Group.
Highlights:
David D. Smith
President and Chief Executive Officer
$2000 donation to George W. Bush
Frederick G. Smith
Vice President
$2000 donation to George W. Bush
You can see the rest on my blog.
'''Get rid of Sam Brownback.
Well, if it were up to me it would be a done deal.
Unfortunatly, it's not up to me.
Central Scrutinizer '''
YOU .....MUST ....FIND.. A ..WAY!!!!!!!
Shakespeare's heralded writings wouldn't be sufficient to get him into Dartmouth or any other Ivy League institution -- at least not according to the Princeton Review. The Unabomber, Ted Kaczynski, on the other hand, would have his pick of the Ancient Eight.
weren't no big thang, Ek, I cut and pasted from the MoveOn email I just got. Took all of 2 secs of my valuable time.
btw, San Antonio Sinclair outlets are KABB and KRRT.
"I cut and pasted from the MoveOn."
ig shocker there. A bunch of fucking moonbats that just cut and paste.
Automotons.
bush was high?
last nite i was certain, today when i rewatched, maybe, maybe not.
one thing i feel fairly certain is true, excessive drug use has done much damage to his brain.
and what's with the creepy hunch, it's like he and dick are morphing into one.
Gordon the Magnificent
What's that smell?
That's Bush's shit you eat that stanks up your nostrils. Ummmm Bush's shit.Tasty for breakfast, lunch and dinner......and for a snack before bedtime.
Gordon the Bush Shit Eating Loser.What a pathetic ,retarded cockroach role to play .
You're well spoken h bomb.
It'a shame we didn't have the "No child left behind" policy when you were in school. Perhaps then you could have formed a coherent arguement, let alone a sentance.
My ten year old nephew has better command of the english language than you.
Is this the best you Moonbats can offer?
"That's Bush's shit you eat that stanks up your nostrils. Ummmm Bush's shit.Tasty for breakfast, lunch and dinner......"
I'm surrounded by idiots. You people are a real class act.
Finally, in Sunday's NYT there's a piece on the misbegotten Missile Defense program (in lieu of secure ports and borders). And I was wrong, it's 150 billion, not 15 billion.
We've got madmen running our country.
"Development delays have plagued the project's vital parts, from booster rockets to radar installations and satellite systems. Skimpy tests, which had to be interrupted two years ago, were ludicrously scripted. Dozens of retired generals and admirals urged the White House earlier this year to shelve the hollow start-up plan and spend the money more wisely on bolstering borders, ports and other inviting targets for low-tech terrorists."
I'm surrounded by idiots. You people are a real class act.
Gordon the Magnificent | Email | Homepage | 10.10.04 - 2:05 am | #
Yeah, The Dog Snot Diaries sound real classy.
Gordon just needs someone to play with. Nobody likes gordon. tsk tsk.
""My ten year old nephew has better command of the english language than you.
Gordon the Magnificent ""
I was immitatin' your magnificent leader you Bush Shit Eater.
I ain't got no class, I just aim to win.
Gordon
You really should'nt think of yourself as a Bush Shit eater, that's not a healthy self image.
Gordon
Whatever you do don't think of yourself as a Bush Shit Eater....
SNL has never been politically radical. It has always been a fairly "safe" show. It's for laughs, not biting satire.
The Daily Show is so much better. It knows how to end its bits. It has more intelligence than SNL. And Lorne Michaels never comes onto the Daily Show set trying to make people give a shit about him.
SNL has never been politically radical. It has always been a fairly "safe" show. It's for laughs, not biting satire.
Lisa | Email | Homepage | 10.10.04 - 2:19 am | #
Al Gore was ruined by the "Lockbox" skits in 2000. They replayed them on all the cable shows.
Ha Ha! Look at all the uneducated idiots on Atrios's Moonbat Parade this evening.
Did you all fail elementary composition? Can one of you compose a proper sentence?
Gordon
you blather on about being "grammatically correct," but you'll never have anything original to say about anything
This Sinlair hypocrisy reminds me of Newt Gingrich, who was boinking his secretary all throught the Clinton impeachment proceedings.
Unbelieveable!!!!
Here's a pic of Gingrich with his concubine, Callista Bisek...
http://www.cobbonline.com/affair.jpg
Spread it around & keep reminding people that the American rightwing LEADS THE WORLD IN MORAL HYPOCRISY!!!!
Mr. Bill above is spot on.
And what do you have to offer h bomb?
More of this TRAILER TRASH spew?
"That's Bush's shit you eat that stanks up your nostrils. Ummmm Bush's shit.Tasty for breakfast, lunch and dinner......and for a snack before bedtime.
Gordon the Bush Shit Eating Loser.What a pathetic ,retarded cockroach role to play ."
You see, h bmomb, people like you are the voice of the liberal movement. And you know what?
You come across as a fucking idiot.
""You come across as a fucking idiot.""
Gordon
well you're half right. I've got some fucking to do, see you later idiot.
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GWBush is afraid of horses!
Will electroshock cure that? Or does he have to return his junior cowboy badge?
Stupid halscan.
I guess the call of the Rest Area is too irresistable for you, huh h bomb?
Hey, Gordon.
Thanks for being our cunt for the evening.
You can clock off now. Karl's got your nickel.
An anon coward on a moonbat site? That's a shocker.
Who's Karl anyhow? H bomb's boyfriend he's gonna meet down at the rest area?
Gordon,
You're comments appear so unwise. Could it be true that the President's supporters are truely motivated by deep fear and inability to understand complex sentances? Your comments do make it appear so.
Did you know that once Republicans had honor? They used to be civil as well. Even Richard Nixon in the depths of his emotional breakdown was able to keep his distress discrete. But those were real Republicans, I think most of those have become Independants, or Libertarians---at least I did.
Kate
"Could "Never Again" really mean never again being so arrogant and simplistic and culturally chauvinistic as to relight the fires of Bergen-Belsen?"
Oh yeah. I recognize this one. "She must have wanted it... look at what she was wearing. She asked for it."
"It's another to become politically proactive. That's the kind of move you see in ‘30s Germany, Tiananmen Square China or pre- Allawi Iraq."
Or, more to the point, that's the kind of move you would have seen in Italy, 1922-1943.
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power."
- Benito Mussolini
Jeez, while driving?
I would think reckless driving would at LEAST be included in the charges.
AND WHAT IF HE HAD RUN OVER A SMALL CHILD????????????
Why does Sinclar Broadcasting hate America's children?
"With only Russia and China capable of flinging missiles at us anytime soon (NK might hit Japan, with the right tail wind), we'll never know if it works or not..."
Actually, an unclassified CIA document written in December 2001 indicates that North Korea's Taepo Dong 2 missile may be capable of hitting the West Coast of the United States, as well Alaska and Hawaii.
I'm not arguing for Dear Leader's Magic Missile Defense Shield here. Just pointing out the administration's immense failure with regard to North Korea's nuclear proliferation, and how it actually endangers my life today.
Thanks, Shrub.
Anony:
"Revolutionary progress"? Really? Did you read the article? Here's the key section:
"These refinery settlements show that enforcing the Clean Air Act works," said John Walke, director of the Clean Air Program at the Natural Resources Defense Council.
He added: "What that highlights, however, is a perverse contrast with power plants, where the Bush administration is not enforcing the law. If the administration would enforce clean air protections against coal-fired power plants in the same way as it has against the refineries, America would see millions of tons of reduced pollution and accompanying health benefits."
Someone, anyone, please confirm that Fahrenheit 9/11 WILL be shown on TV the night of November 1st, as a counter-weight to that drivel sinclair is going to show.
Has anybody figured out what Bush's "off-road diesel engine" was?
I thought he was talking about snowmobiles or some such bullshit. Diesel 4-wheelers? Shit, I don't know.
We have have hydrogen powered buses here in Yurrup. Nicely efficient, clean and quiet. Loth as I am to give GWB any assistance, perhaps that was what he meant?
Repub of Palau - He wasn't referring to anything European, because he is deathly afraid of agreeing with things European that might make him popular.
Furious George was talking out of his butt, so he can give some more gubmint welfare money to his corporate donors.
People are still being arrested in 2004 for non-missionary sex? What's up with that?
Yasonyacky..."Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power."
- Benito Mussolini
Nice. Where did you find that?
Yasonyacky... North Korea's Taepo Dong 2 missile may be capable of hitting the West Coast.
Got the greater context, but of course they would never be so stupid. This missiles, including Iran's, better serve the geopolitics of their region. They have little value against the USA beyond a last gasp defense. If they want us, they'll distribute the warheads to people using a simpler way into our country of which there are many. How do you defend against a sailboat entering a port city for example?
Of course, Bush could argue that it might come to a last gasp defense someday (think our threatening a pre-emptive war). Too bad the system doesn't work.
However the debates might be chalked up,
And however the challenger talked up;
It's quite plain to see,
And the experts agree,
Chimp's got the whoremonger vote all but locked up.
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Really folks, we're not thinking fairly.
Fairness doctrine would mean we should be able to air an equal length rebuttal.
F911? Perhaps but Moore has that going on already.
How about any of the other wonderful Bushco documentaries? Many to choose from!
Once they have to air reply the same length it will scare them. We have the facts on our side. We'll win based on merit.
Demand people in Congress ramp up the fairness doctrine...
Really Gordon a dangling participle and a misspelled improper usage among your posts in this thread.
And Gordon's published? Ohhhh mad magazine has a reader's forum now?
Howie Kurtz just now on CNN:
"Sinclair -- we don't even pretend to be fair and balanced!"
If a hummer (as opposed to a Hummer(tm)) is unnatural (and thus presumably sinful), hell is gonna be a crowded place indeed.
Yep, ya can't beat those Repugnican family values.
"How does it move the debate forward to know that the head of Sinclair was picked up in 1996 for having sex with a prostitute?"
It's showing them as the lying fucking hypocrites that they are!
It's too funny. Sinclair reminds me of Newt Gingrich talking about morals and screwing his secratary while his wife is dying. These are the FNC pundits. Check out this new site
www.crooksandliars.com
"a perverted sex act"
how silly
what was it...a blow job?
boy, if that's perverted, than most of us are going to hell
I've been encouraging local viewers of our Sinclair-owned Fox affiliate to write to the station and complain. (Write to the Ad Sales department.)
I'd also advise that you remember these incidents when your local station's broadcast license comes up for renewal. There's like a 60-day period where the channels requests public input. Maybe we can make the wackjobs at Sinclair sweat when we organize on a local level against Sinclair's abuse of the community's airwaves.
[police] said they witnessed the two engage in oral sex while Smith drove north
Well, at least Bill Clinton didn't endanger anybody's life by driving while getting his non-commercial [therefore legal] blow jobs
[does that answer questions about relevance: it's payback time baby]
I think we should all begin calling in to daytime radio shows, say anything to get on the air then talk quickly about David Smith's arrest.
We should tell Smith we are going to plaster his name, mugshot and arrest record all over the internet. Anytime anyone types in xxx, horny, liar, cheater, big, little, Bush, if, and, or but into their search engine, it is going to bring up his face and arrest record.
Mwaaaahhhhhh ha ha!
Kudos for some excellent sleuthing. However, let's not forget that BUSH is our primary target, notwithstanding the smarmy bastard that is Sinclair.
Kudos for some excellent sleuthing. However, let's not forget that BUSH is our primary target, notwithstanding the smarmy bastard that is Sinclair.
Kudos for some excellent sleuthing. However, let's not forget that BUSH is our primary target, notwithstanding the smarmy bastard that is Sinclair.
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