I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Health care for all.
Health care for all.
Health care for all.
Healthcare for all, mental healthcare for rethugs.
Healthcare for all, mental healthcare for rethugs.
Healthcare for all, mental healthcare for rethugs.
Sounds good to me. Count me in.
Sounds good to me. Count me in.
Sounds good to me. Count me in.
Hi Vicky.
Hi Vicky.
Hi Vicky.
a few things I wish Kerry had brought out ...
... health care costs are the #2 cause of bankruptcy in America. The more people who have no health coverage, the more people who are at risk of going into bankruptcy - which affects banking (more people defaulting on housing loans or credit cards), small businesses (more people defaulting on debts for services), etc.
... and he barely TOUCHED on preventative care and how good health care coverage encourages preventative care which SAVES money in the long run (yes, he mentioned it in the last 20 minutes, but he should have smacked Bush with it in the flu vaccine question)
... and finally, why oh WHY didn't he slam dunk the flu vaccine question with "criminy - if we don't have enough vaccines for the flu, how in god's name are we going to deal with anthrax or small pox or some other terrorist epidemic"
a few things I wish Kerry had brought out ...
... health care costs are the #2 cause of bankruptcy in America. The more people who have no health coverage, the more people who are at risk of going into bankruptcy - which affects banking (more people defaulting on housing loans or credit cards), small businesses (more people defaulting on debts for services), etc.
... and he barely TOUCHED on preventative care and how good health care coverage encourages preventative care which SAVES money in the long run (yes, he mentioned it in the last 20 minutes, but he should have smacked Bush with it in the flu vaccine question)
... and finally, why oh WHY didn't he slam dunk the flu vaccine question with "criminy - if we don't have enough vaccines for the flu, how in god's name are we going to deal with anthrax or small pox or some other terrorist epidemic"
a few things I wish Kerry had brought out ...
... health care costs are the #2 cause of bankruptcy in America. The more people who have no health coverage, the more people who are at risk of going into bankruptcy - which affects banking (more people defaulting on housing loans or credit cards), small businesses (more people defaulting on debts for services), etc.
... and he barely TOUCHED on preventative care and how good health care coverage encourages preventative care which SAVES money in the long run (yes, he mentioned it in the last 20 minutes, but he should have smacked Bush with it in the flu vaccine question)
... and finally, why oh WHY didn't he slam dunk the flu vaccine question with "criminy - if we don't have enough vaccines for the flu, how in god's name are we going to deal with anthrax or small pox or some other terrorist epidemic"
It's not cheap if you're spending federal dollars on citizens. That money belongs to the neo-con global coporate takeover.
It's not cheap if you're spending federal dollars on citizens. That money belongs to the neo-con global coporate takeover.
It's not cheap if you're spending federal dollars on citizens. That money belongs to the neo-con global coporate takeover.
But government is inefficient! INEFFICIENT!!!
INEFFICIENT!!!
INEFFICIENT!!!
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But government is inefficient! INEFFICIENT!!!
INEFFICIENT!!!
INEFFICIENT!!!
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INEFFICIENT!!!
INEFFICIENT!!!
INEFFICIENT!!!
But government is inefficient! INEFFICIENT!!!
INEFFICIENT!!!
INEFFICIENT!!!
INEFFICIENT!!!
INEFFICIENT!!!
INEFFICIENT!!!
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So's evolution. Efficient=Mussolini.
INEFFICIENT!!!
INEFFICIENT!!!
INEFFICIENT!!!
So's evolution. Efficient=Mussolini.
INEFFICIENT!!!
INEFFICIENT!!!
INEFFICIENT!!!
So's evolution. Efficient=Mussolini.
Well yes, as I'm sure Atrios already knows, a universal single payer health care plan would indeed save untold billions of dollars. We could easily cover all of the uninsured and still spend less on health care than we do now.
The problem is that the U.S. political culture is allergic to big "government" programs. Although single payer health care does not mean socialized medicine or a government takeover of the provision of health care, it does, in one way or another, socialize health insurance. But Canada isn't exactly Enver Hoxha's Albania, and they have single payer health care. Every single wealthy country except the U.S. has some form of universal health care which, if not exactly single payer, accomplishes more or less the same thing by creating a common risk pool, guaranteed buy-in, and putting major power on the side of purchasers.
It was amusing last night to hear Chimpy say that health care is not subject to any market forces. It is, of course, but they work very differently from the fantasy world of economics 101. (Sorry Atrios, but economics is a branch of theology, not science. Maybe that's okay with you, as an apostate, I'm not sure.)
don't get me started though . . .
Well yes, as I'm sure Atrios already knows, a universal single payer health care plan would indeed save untold billions of dollars. We could easily cover all of the uninsured and still spend less on health care than we do now.
The problem is that the U.S. political culture is allergic to big "government" programs. Although single payer health care does not mean socialized medicine or a government takeover of the provision of health care, it does, in one way or another, socialize health insurance. But Canada isn't exactly Enver Hoxha's Albania, and they have single payer health care. Every single wealthy country except the U.S. has some form of universal health care which, if not exactly single payer, accomplishes more or less the same thing by creating a common risk pool, guaranteed buy-in, and putting major power on the side of purchasers.
It was amusing last night to hear Chimpy say that health care is not subject to any market forces. It is, of course, but they work very differently from the fantasy world of economics 101. (Sorry Atrios, but economics is a branch of theology, not science. Maybe that's okay with you, as an apostate, I'm not sure.)
don't get me started though . . .
Well yes, as I'm sure Atrios already knows, a universal single payer health care plan would indeed save untold billions of dollars. We could easily cover all of the uninsured and still spend less on health care than we do now.
The problem is that the U.S. political culture is allergic to big "government" programs. Although single payer health care does not mean socialized medicine or a government takeover of the provision of health care, it does, in one way or another, socialize health insurance. But Canada isn't exactly Enver Hoxha's Albania, and they have single payer health care. Every single wealthy country except the U.S. has some form of universal health care which, if not exactly single payer, accomplishes more or less the same thing by creating a common risk pool, guaranteed buy-in, and putting major power on the side of purchasers.
It was amusing last night to hear Chimpy say that health care is not subject to any market forces. It is, of course, but they work very differently from the fantasy world of economics 101. (Sorry Atrios, but economics is a branch of theology, not science. Maybe that's okay with you, as an apostate, I'm not sure.)
don't get me started though . . .
Kerry should have said that "The Jobs for the 21st Century" are in the areas of enviromentalism, energy independence, and genetics.
Three areas his ignorant redneck base won't let this country pursue, to our competitive disadvantage.
Kerry should have said that "The Jobs for the 21st Century" are in the areas of enviromentalism, energy independence, and genetics.
Three areas his ignorant redneck base won't let this country pursue, to our competitive disadvantage.
Kerry should have said that "The Jobs for the 21st Century" are in the areas of enviromentalism, energy independence, and genetics.
Three areas his ignorant redneck base won't let this country pursue, to our competitive disadvantage.
As I am in St. Louie, I didn't get the chance to see much of the debate. However, I saw that portion featured, in all places, Good Day Live, and I thought to myself,
does W really want to go there?
Seems to me that argument plays right into Kerry's hands... that we can do better.. that it is not right to have two health systems, two education systems, etc.... that these are moral issues.
As I am in St. Louie, I didn't get the chance to see much of the debate. However, I saw that portion featured, in all places, Good Day Live, and I thought to myself,
does W really want to go there?
Seems to me that argument plays right into Kerry's hands... that we can do better.. that it is not right to have two health systems, two education systems, etc.... that these are moral issues.
As I am in St. Louie, I didn't get the chance to see much of the debate. However, I saw that portion featured, in all places, Good Day Live, and I thought to myself,
does W really want to go there?
Seems to me that argument plays right into Kerry's hands... that we can do better.. that it is not right to have two health systems, two education systems, etc.... that these are moral issues.
Oooops! I didn't say what you think I said.
Does that cover falafel-inflicted mishaps?
Oooops! I didn't say what you think I said.
Does that cover falafel-inflicted mishaps?
Oooops! I didn't say what you think I said.
Does that cover falafel-inflicted mishaps?
Hi, krsaz! 
Working to pay for your health care?
Hi, krsaz! Working to pay for your health care?
Hi, krsaz! Working to pay for your health care?
When I heard *'s answer, I thought, "But when people buy into something as a group, like insurance, the bigger the group, the lower the cost per person. So if the plan costs $7,700 per family for 100 families, it's gonna cost a helluva lot less for millions of families. That's just basic economics, and I sucked at ECON."
Am I wrong? Just stating the obvious?
When I heard *'s answer, I thought, "But when people buy into something as a group, like insurance, the bigger the group, the lower the cost per person. So if the plan costs $7,700 per family for 100 families, it's gonna cost a helluva lot less for millions of families. That's just basic economics, and I sucked at ECON."
Am I wrong? Just stating the obvious?
When I heard *'s answer, I thought, "But when people buy into something as a group, like insurance, the bigger the group, the lower the cost per person. So if the plan costs $7,700 per family for 100 families, it's gonna cost a helluva lot less for millions of families. That's just basic economics, and I sucked at ECON."
Am I wrong? Just stating the obvious?
Oh, and Kerry didn't touch on how smart businessmen (non-republicans) want single-payer healthcare so that we can compete on a level playing field with the rest of civilized world.
Oh, and Kerry didn't touch on how smart businessmen (non-republicans) want single-payer healthcare so that we can compete on a level playing field with the rest of civilized world.
Oh, and Kerry didn't touch on how smart businessmen (non-republicans) want single-payer healthcare so that we can compete on a level playing field with the rest of civilized world.
The Republicans are going to be left behind on the health care thing. When Bush said "the government can't provide good health care," the first thing I said was "what about the VA? are you saying the government provides poor health care to our wounded veterans? That our government ought not to provide health care to our wounded veterans?"
And I think this is settling in to the larger discussion. I work at an academic health care institution, and any time anyone talks about public health, or an electronic medical record, or clinical research, they are talking about the NIH, local health departments, the Surgeon General, the VA system, and so forth. You can't discuss health care without talking about government intervention.
So maybe if the debate lasts less than two minutes, government intervention sounds like a bad idea. But the more private health care costs rise, and the more the insurance lobbies and HMO lobbies steal from the treasury, and the more the drug companies steal from the treasury, I think people are going to wake up to the fact that government bureaucracy can be a good thing.
The Republicans are going to be left behind on the health care thing. When Bush said "the government can't provide good health care," the first thing I said was "what about the VA? are you saying the government provides poor health care to our wounded veterans? That our government ought not to provide health care to our wounded veterans?"
And I think this is settling in to the larger discussion. I work at an academic health care institution, and any time anyone talks about public health, or an electronic medical record, or clinical research, they are talking about the NIH, local health departments, the Surgeon General, the VA system, and so forth. You can't discuss health care without talking about government intervention.
So maybe if the debate lasts less than two minutes, government intervention sounds like a bad idea. But the more private health care costs rise, and the more the insurance lobbies and HMO lobbies steal from the treasury, and the more the drug companies steal from the treasury, I think people are going to wake up to the fact that government bureaucracy can be a good thing.
The Republicans are going to be left behind on the health care thing. When Bush said "the government can't provide good health care," the first thing I said was "what about the VA? are you saying the government provides poor health care to our wounded veterans? That our government ought not to provide health care to our wounded veterans?"
And I think this is settling in to the larger discussion. I work at an academic health care institution, and any time anyone talks about public health, or an electronic medical record, or clinical research, they are talking about the NIH, local health departments, the Surgeon General, the VA system, and so forth. You can't discuss health care without talking about government intervention.
So maybe if the debate lasts less than two minutes, government intervention sounds like a bad idea. But the more private health care costs rise, and the more the insurance lobbies and HMO lobbies steal from the treasury, and the more the drug companies steal from the treasury, I think people are going to wake up to the fact that government bureaucracy can be a good thing.
Repug campaign chairman Marc Racicot says
A HREF="http://www.boston.com/dailynews/288/
politics/Bush_official_says_Kerry_gaine%3A.shtml">Kerry gained ground in the debates.
the story also has info on 2 new campaign spots ridiculing Bush's performance in the debates.
Repug campaign chairman Marc Racicot says
A HREF="http://www.boston.com/dailynews/288/
politics/Bush_official_says_Kerry_gaine%3A.shtml">Kerry gained ground in the debates.
the story also has info on 2 new campaign spots ridiculing Bush's performance in the debates.
Repug campaign chairman Marc Racicot says
A HREF="http://www.boston.com/dailynews/288/
politics/Bush_official_says_Kerry_gaine%3A.shtml">Kerry gained ground in the debates.
the story also has info on 2 new campaign spots ridiculing Bush's performance in the debates.
Hope Kerry mouthpieces make hay of this in the next few news cycles.
The other dumbshit thing bush said was that we have the best health care system in the world. Based on what measure, bunnypants? Hey mothers out there - we are 36th in the world in healthy births (e.g. birthweight, prenatal health problems, etc.) because our system is set up to be reactive not preventative, in large part because of those "market forces" bush rambled on about. what a ninconpoop, what a moran
Hope Kerry mouthpieces make hay of this in the next few news cycles.
The other dumbshit thing bush said was that we have the best health care system in the world. Based on what measure, bunnypants? Hey mothers out there - we are 36th in the world in healthy births (e.g. birthweight, prenatal health problems, etc.) because our system is set up to be reactive not preventative, in large part because of those "market forces" bush rambled on about. what a ninconpoop, what a moran
Hope Kerry mouthpieces make hay of this in the next few news cycles.
The other dumbshit thing bush said was that we have the best health care system in the world. Based on what measure, bunnypants? Hey mothers out there - we are 36th in the world in healthy births (e.g. birthweight, prenatal health problems, etc.) because our system is set up to be reactive not preventative, in large part because of those "market forces" bush rambled on about. what a ninconpoop, what a moran
Sorry Bill, most health insurance policies have an exclusion for injuries caused by inappropriate use of falafel. But you can buy supplementary coverage for baba ganouj in most plans.
Sorry Bill, most health insurance policies have an exclusion for injuries caused by inappropriate use of falafel. But you can buy supplementary coverage for baba ganouj in most plans.
Sorry Bill, most health insurance policies have an exclusion for injuries caused by inappropriate use of falafel. But you can buy supplementary coverage for baba ganouj in most plans.
OT butt... Well... Not OReally
-- Sharp as he was in 64 --
OT butt... Well... Not OReally
-- Sharp as he was in 64 --
OT butt... Well... Not OReally
-- Sharp as he was in 64 --
SH!T !!!
sorry 'bout Haloscan dammit.
anyway the story is a good one, even if my link is @#$&*ing screwed.
sorry
SH!T !!!
sorry 'bout Haloscan dammit.
anyway the story is a good one, even if my link is @#$&*ing screwed.
sorry
SH!T !!!
sorry 'bout Haloscan dammit.
anyway the story is a good one, even if my link is @#$&*ing screwed.
sorry
Atrios, That was my thougt exactly! Knowing that we need to pay like $775 per month for coverage for my family, $7,000 and something over 12 months sounds like a fair price.
(My family doesn't actually pay the $775. At this point we have CHIP for the kids and we adults are taking our chances on good health with a bare bare bones plan. I'd love to get full coverage for everybody for a fair price.)
Atrios, That was my thougt exactly! Knowing that we need to pay like $775 per month for coverage for my family, $7,000 and something over 12 months sounds like a fair price.
(My family doesn't actually pay the $775. At this point we have CHIP for the kids and we adults are taking our chances on good health with a bare bare bones plan. I'd love to get full coverage for everybody for a fair price.)
Atrios, That was my thougt exactly! Knowing that we need to pay like $775 per month for coverage for my family, $7,000 and something over 12 months sounds like a fair price.
(My family doesn't actually pay the $775. At this point we have CHIP for the kids and we adults are taking our chances on good health with a bare bare bones plan. I'd love to get full coverage for everybody for a fair price.)
Government-run health care perhaps is less efficient at providing care (I don't know), but it's much more efficient overall, since they don't have to buy all those stupid pens and stress balls and halyards with logos on them.
It will be cheaper for you and me, and that's what counts.
Government-run health care perhaps is less efficient at providing care (I don't know), but it's much more efficient overall, since they don't have to buy all those stupid pens and stress balls and halyards with logos on them.
It will be cheaper for you and me, and that's what counts.
Government-run health care perhaps is less efficient at providing care (I don't know), but it's much more efficient overall, since they don't have to buy all those stupid pens and stress balls and halyards with logos on them.
It will be cheaper for you and me, and that's what counts.
October Surprise....
Get ready. Looks like the Bush folks may try to attack Kerry on the type of discharge he received from the Navy. Not the greatest source.... and hopefully this doesn't have any legs.... but check it out.
October Surprise....
Get ready. Looks like the Bush folks may try to attack Kerry on the type of discharge he received from the Navy. Not the greatest source.... and hopefully this doesn't have any legs.... but check it out.
October Surprise....
Get ready. Looks like the Bush folks may try to attack Kerry on the type of discharge he received from the Navy. Not the greatest source.... and hopefully this doesn't have any legs.... but check it out.
Kerry gained ground in the debates.
Kerry gained ground in the debates.
Kerry gained ground in the debates.
There's also the issue, which has only been glanced on, that Kerry is talking about rolling out the same plan which members of the Congress get. Basically, we pay for their insurance, don't we? Or is it all self-funded? If we pay for their insurnace (we pay their salaries), it's ironic that we would buy them better insurance than we buy for ourselves.
OT, I have a lot of posts on the debate up on my blog, including a trip into the wayback machine re that Social Security committee W set up with Moynihan as the head. Kick your shoes off; set a spell -- (as the saying goes).
There's also the issue, which has only been glanced on, that Kerry is talking about rolling out the same plan which members of the Congress get. Basically, we pay for their insurance, don't we? Or is it all self-funded? If we pay for their insurnace (we pay their salaries), it's ironic that we would buy them better insurance than we buy for ourselves.
OT, I have a lot of posts on the debate up on my blog, including a trip into the wayback machine re that Social Security committee W set up with Moynihan as the head. Kick your shoes off; set a spell -- (as the saying goes).
There's also the issue, which has only been glanced on, that Kerry is talking about rolling out the same plan which members of the Congress get. Basically, we pay for their insurance, don't we? Or is it all self-funded? If we pay for their insurnace (we pay their salaries), it's ironic that we would buy them better insurance than we buy for ourselves.
OT, I have a lot of posts on the debate up on my blog, including a trip into the wayback machine re that Social Security committee W set up with Moynihan as the head. Kick your shoes off; set a spell -- (as the saying goes).
I really really really wanted Kerry to mention that while millions of Americans don't have access to adequete health-care, Saddam Hussein got a free hernia surgery.
I really really really wanted Kerry to mention that while millions of Americans don't have access to adequete health-care, Saddam Hussein got a free hernia surgery.
I really really really wanted Kerry to mention that while millions of Americans don't have access to adequete health-care, Saddam Hussein got a free hernia surgery.
Oops. guess a URL would help.
http://www.nysun.com/article/3107
Oops. guess a URL would help.
http://www.nysun.com/article/3107
Oops. guess a URL would help.
http://www.nysun.com/article/3107
When I heard *'s answer, I thought, "But when people buy into something as a group, like insurance, the bigger the group, the lower the cost per person. So if the plan costs $7,700 per family for 100 families, it's gonna cost a helluva lot less for millions of families. That's just basic economics, and I sucked at ECON."
Am I wrong? Just stating the obvious?
Grr - perhaps, because US congressmen represent a low risk pool, I imagine. If the government had everyone in the same pool, and didn't have any sort of method for segregating pools and getting some sort of co-payment from higher risk, or large families, then I imagine the average cost per family would rise. How much? I dunno.
When I heard *'s answer, I thought, "But when people buy into something as a group, like insurance, the bigger the group, the lower the cost per person. So if the plan costs $7,700 per family for 100 families, it's gonna cost a helluva lot less for millions of families. That's just basic economics, and I sucked at ECON."
Am I wrong? Just stating the obvious?
Grr - perhaps, because US congressmen represent a low risk pool, I imagine. If the government had everyone in the same pool, and didn't have any sort of method for segregating pools and getting some sort of co-payment from higher risk, or large families, then I imagine the average cost per family would rise. How much? I dunno.
When I heard *'s answer, I thought, "But when people buy into something as a group, like insurance, the bigger the group, the lower the cost per person. So if the plan costs $7,700 per family for 100 families, it's gonna cost a helluva lot less for millions of families. That's just basic economics, and I sucked at ECON."
Am I wrong? Just stating the obvious?
Grr - perhaps, because US congressmen represent a low risk pool, I imagine. If the government had everyone in the same pool, and didn't have any sort of method for segregating pools and getting some sort of co-payment from higher risk, or large families, then I imagine the average cost per family would rise. How much? I dunno.
I spent fifteen wonderful months between jobs, taking advantage of COBRA. Cost per month for a family of four: $800.00. That works out to $9600.00 a year. Which, even with Republican math, is more than $7700.00
In the course of that fifteen months, I looked into Blue Shield. They had a lovely plan for less than $500 a month. Turned out that price was only good if you had never been to a doctor in your life. With full medical histories it went up to over $1300 a month.
That medical history does not include any major illnesses of serious injuries. My son managed a couple of sprains over the years; my wife has a thyroid condition. And for that, over $15K per year.
So $7700 -- not bad. Not bad at all...
I spent fifteen wonderful months between jobs, taking advantage of COBRA. Cost per month for a family of four: $800.00. That works out to $9600.00 a year. Which, even with Republican math, is more than $7700.00
In the course of that fifteen months, I looked into Blue Shield. They had a lovely plan for less than $500 a month. Turned out that price was only good if you had never been to a doctor in your life. With full medical histories it went up to over $1300 a month.
That medical history does not include any major illnesses of serious injuries. My son managed a couple of sprains over the years; my wife has a thyroid condition. And for that, over $15K per year.
So $7700 -- not bad. Not bad at all...
I spent fifteen wonderful months between jobs, taking advantage of COBRA. Cost per month for a family of four: $800.00. That works out to $9600.00 a year. Which, even with Republican math, is more than $7700.00
In the course of that fifteen months, I looked into Blue Shield. They had a lovely plan for less than $500 a month. Turned out that price was only good if you had never been to a doctor in your life. With full medical histories it went up to over $1300 a month.
That medical history does not include any major illnesses of serious injuries. My son managed a couple of sprains over the years; my wife has a thyroid condition. And for that, over $15K per year.
So $7700 -- not bad. Not bad at all...
thepuppethead--
I saw that, and I don't think it's anything. The article calls it an "open secret"--which means that even if it's true, not even the swifties have cared about it.
Kerry's war record is old news. Any October surprise at this point would have to be something on the order of total surrender by the Iraqi insurgents, early Presidential elections in Iraq, or nudie pictures of Kerry. And it ain't gonna happen.
Bush is becoming quickly irrelevant.
thepuppethead--
I saw that, and I don't think it's anything. The article calls it an "open secret"--which means that even if it's true, not even the swifties have cared about it.
Kerry's war record is old news. Any October surprise at this point would have to be something on the order of total surrender by the Iraqi insurgents, early Presidential elections in Iraq, or nudie pictures of Kerry. And it ain't gonna happen.
Bush is becoming quickly irrelevant.
thepuppethead--
I saw that, and I don't think it's anything. The article calls it an "open secret"--which means that even if it's true, not even the swifties have cared about it.
Kerry's war record is old news. Any October surprise at this point would have to be something on the order of total surrender by the Iraqi insurgents, early Presidential elections in Iraq, or nudie pictures of Kerry. And it ain't gonna happen.
Bush is becoming quickly irrelevant.
Looks like the Bush folks may try to attack Kerry on the type of discharge he received from the Navy.
This will backfire badly. People are sick of the whole military service crap. It will just show the total desperation of the Bush campaign.
Kerry won all three debates and those who were undecided now know that he is capable of being President.
Looks like the Bush folks may try to attack Kerry on the type of discharge he received from the Navy.
This will backfire badly. People are sick of the whole military service crap. It will just show the total desperation of the Bush campaign.
Kerry won all three debates and those who were undecided now know that he is capable of being President.
Looks like the Bush folks may try to attack Kerry on the type of discharge he received from the Navy.
This will backfire badly. People are sick of the whole military service crap. It will just show the total desperation of the Bush campaign.
Kerry won all three debates and those who were undecided now know that he is capable of being President.
The october suprise is going to be Sinclair's "news report" on Kerry's past. The FCC will not stop it and the FEC has yet to really sink their fangs into it. It airs on the 22nd, that's six days away. I can't imagine what that will do, but I don't think it's going to do all that much, honestly. The people that already hate Kerry for his past will continue to do so, and those that know nothing about it probably don't live in any of those swing states.
I'm not entirely sold on the idea that it will tip the balance to Bush, but then again I could be living in a state of denial, like the President.
The october suprise is going to be Sinclair's "news report" on Kerry's past. The FCC will not stop it and the FEC has yet to really sink their fangs into it. It airs on the 22nd, that's six days away. I can't imagine what that will do, but I don't think it's going to do all that much, honestly. The people that already hate Kerry for his past will continue to do so, and those that know nothing about it probably don't live in any of those swing states.
I'm not entirely sold on the idea that it will tip the balance to Bush, but then again I could be living in a state of denial, like the President.
The october suprise is going to be Sinclair's "news report" on Kerry's past. The FCC will not stop it and the FEC has yet to really sink their fangs into it. It airs on the 22nd, that's six days away. I can't imagine what that will do, but I don't think it's going to do all that much, honestly. The people that already hate Kerry for his past will continue to do so, and those that know nothing about it probably don't live in any of those swing states.
I'm not entirely sold on the idea that it will tip the balance to Bush, but then again I could be living in a state of denial, like the President.
All these years I've always tuned out when they start talking health care because they lose me. They talk about capitation rates etc and I think heads are going to roll.
Last night when JFK explained that he would make what congress has available to all, at a cost...it was the first time I didn't glaze over. I heard him and thought "OK, maybe I can understand what he's talking about."
And then when georgie porgie tried to claim Kerry was going to put everybody on the free list, I was able to see that Bush was obfuscating.
I think Kerry has a real ability to communicate. I don't mind his elaborating on the gray areas. In fact, it's delightul to have someone who can think and communicate beyond sound bites.
I suspect that when the pressure of the election is over, Kerry will be able to communicate even better as president.
All these years I've always tuned out when they start talking health care because they lose me. They talk about capitation rates etc and I think heads are going to roll.
Last night when JFK explained that he would make what congress has available to all, at a cost...it was the first time I didn't glaze over. I heard him and thought "OK, maybe I can understand what he's talking about."
And then when georgie porgie tried to claim Kerry was going to put everybody on the free list, I was able to see that Bush was obfuscating.
I think Kerry has a real ability to communicate. I don't mind his elaborating on the gray areas. In fact, it's delightul to have someone who can think and communicate beyond sound bites.
I suspect that when the pressure of the election is over, Kerry will be able to communicate even better as president.
All these years I've always tuned out when they start talking health care because they lose me. They talk about capitation rates etc and I think heads are going to roll.
Last night when JFK explained that he would make what congress has available to all, at a cost...it was the first time I didn't glaze over. I heard him and thought "OK, maybe I can understand what he's talking about."
And then when georgie porgie tried to claim Kerry was going to put everybody on the free list, I was able to see that Bush was obfuscating.
I think Kerry has a real ability to communicate. I don't mind his elaborating on the gray areas. In fact, it's delightul to have someone who can think and communicate beyond sound bites.
I suspect that when the pressure of the election is over, Kerry will be able to communicate even better as president.
I hate to say it, but I think we are losing the spin cycle so far. I think it is good that most are saying that the debate was a Kerry win or a draw, but, so far, the "side-story" is by far the Mary Cheney issue.
Not the bin laden issue, and that is where we want it.
To me, this is the central question in the race. W attacking Kerry for not being able to see the real issues in the war on terror... that he doesn't speak clearly on this issue.
however, W largely gets a free pass on remarks that are so clearly fucked up and then he even denies them. W should be held accountable for his remarks, and people made well aware that W has been more "confused" than Kerry by a landslide.
To me, w's comment was pretty close to a nail in the coffin in regards to his integrity. He should be skewered, yet I hardly see anything about this today.
We are not doing a good job on getting this out front.
I hate to say it, but I think we are losing the spin cycle so far. I think it is good that most are saying that the debate was a Kerry win or a draw, but, so far, the "side-story" is by far the Mary Cheney issue.
Not the bin laden issue, and that is where we want it.
To me, this is the central question in the race. W attacking Kerry for not being able to see the real issues in the war on terror... that he doesn't speak clearly on this issue.
however, W largely gets a free pass on remarks that are so clearly fucked up and then he even denies them. W should be held accountable for his remarks, and people made well aware that W has been more "confused" than Kerry by a landslide.
To me, w's comment was pretty close to a nail in the coffin in regards to his integrity. He should be skewered, yet I hardly see anything about this today.
We are not doing a good job on getting this out front.
I hate to say it, but I think we are losing the spin cycle so far. I think it is good that most are saying that the debate was a Kerry win or a draw, but, so far, the "side-story" is by far the Mary Cheney issue.
Not the bin laden issue, and that is where we want it.
To me, this is the central question in the race. W attacking Kerry for not being able to see the real issues in the war on terror... that he doesn't speak clearly on this issue.
however, W largely gets a free pass on remarks that are so clearly fucked up and then he even denies them. W should be held accountable for his remarks, and people made well aware that W has been more "confused" than Kerry by a landslide.
To me, w's comment was pretty close to a nail in the coffin in regards to his integrity. He should be skewered, yet I hardly see anything about this today.
We are not doing a good job on getting this out front.
That's several thousand less than I currently pay, being self-employed.
That's several thousand less than I currently pay, being self-employed.
That's several thousand less than I currently pay, being self-employed.
I guess I'm fortunate. I'm paying approximately $ 1,950/year, or $ 75
a pay check for health insurance. It did go up by $ 30 per paycheck in January, however, which was more than my raise! We had it really good for a long time. However, we're living in perilous times, and I'm in a manufacturing environment.
I guess I'm fortunate. I'm paying approximately $ 1,950/year, or $ 75
a pay check for health insurance. It did go up by $ 30 per paycheck in January, however, which was more than my raise! We had it really good for a long time. However, we're living in perilous times, and I'm in a manufacturing environment.
I guess I'm fortunate. I'm paying approximately $ 1,950/year, or $ 75
a pay check for health insurance. It did go up by $ 30 per paycheck in January, however, which was more than my raise! We had it really good for a long time. However, we're living in perilous times, and I'm in a manufacturing environment.
The figure is a lowball. The total cost of Blue Cross-Blue Shield for a family in southern California on our big group plan is about 18,000 per year.
The figure is a lowball. The total cost of Blue Cross-Blue Shield for a family in southern California on our big group plan is about 18,000 per year.
The figure is a lowball. The total cost of Blue Cross-Blue Shield for a family in southern California on our big group plan is about 18,000 per year.
"Looks like the Bush folks may try to attack Kerry on the type of discharge he received from the Navy."
I've read some about that, but I think that is pretty risky for the thugs to bring up. If you read through it, there isn't any discussion about WHO wanted to review Kerry's navy records before the honorable discharge. Let's all remember who was President then! Nixon put Kerry on his enemies list early on. Nixon might have, and probably was trying to, smear Kerry before Kerry ran for Congress in the early 70's.
"Looks like the Bush folks may try to attack Kerry on the type of discharge he received from the Navy."
I've read some about that, but I think that is pretty risky for the thugs to bring up. If you read through it, there isn't any discussion about WHO wanted to review Kerry's navy records before the honorable discharge. Let's all remember who was President then! Nixon put Kerry on his enemies list early on. Nixon might have, and probably was trying to, smear Kerry before Kerry ran for Congress in the early 70's.
"Looks like the Bush folks may try to attack Kerry on the type of discharge he received from the Navy."
I've read some about that, but I think that is pretty risky for the thugs to bring up. If you read through it, there isn't any discussion about WHO wanted to review Kerry's navy records before the honorable discharge. Let's all remember who was President then! Nixon put Kerry on his enemies list early on. Nixon might have, and probably was trying to, smear Kerry before Kerry ran for Congress in the early 70's.
Looks like the Bush folks may try to attack Kerry on the type of discharge he received from the Navy.
Let 'em do it. Those magic names "Colson" and "Nixon" will tell people everything they need to know about it.
Thank heavens Kerry didn't turn into "another Ralph Nader," huh? One's more than enough for me.
Looks like the Bush folks may try to attack Kerry on the type of discharge he received from the Navy.
Let 'em do it. Those magic names "Colson" and "Nixon" will tell people everything they need to know about it.
Thank heavens Kerry didn't turn into "another Ralph Nader," huh? One's more than enough for me.
Looks like the Bush folks may try to attack Kerry on the type of discharge he received from the Navy.
Let 'em do it. Those magic names "Colson" and "Nixon" will tell people everything they need to know about it.
Thank heavens Kerry didn't turn into "another Ralph Nader," huh? One's more than enough for me.
Haha, thanks Atrios, that one made me laugh out loud. Seriously, is there any domestic policy issue Bush has a real understanding of? What a fucking cretin.
Haha, thanks Atrios, that one made me laugh out loud. Seriously, is there any domestic policy issue Bush has a real understanding of? What a fucking cretin.
Haha, thanks Atrios, that one made me laugh out loud. Seriously, is there any domestic policy issue Bush has a real understanding of? What a fucking cretin.
Math is hard. It's hard work!
Math is hard. It's hard work!
Math is hard. It's hard work!
Funny, was watching last night with my parents and my sister (who claims to be voting for Bush, but she's is getting more and more pissed) My dad brings out his insurance premium increase for next year, jumping 34% next year. Kerry started bashing Bush on Healthcare and being in the pocket of the insurance companies and my sister who works in healthcare and loathes insurance companies finally decided that she cannot vote for Bush. Don't know if she is going to vote for Kerry, but at least that's one less Bush vote in Arizona.
My folks are firmly voting Kerry.
Vicki -- You're just making a contribution to your insurance, your employer is paying most of it.
Funny, was watching last night with my parents and my sister (who claims to be voting for Bush, but she's is getting more and more pissed) My dad brings out his insurance premium increase for next year, jumping 34% next year. Kerry started bashing Bush on Healthcare and being in the pocket of the insurance companies and my sister who works in healthcare and loathes insurance companies finally decided that she cannot vote for Bush. Don't know if she is going to vote for Kerry, but at least that's one less Bush vote in Arizona.
My folks are firmly voting Kerry.
Vicki -- You're just making a contribution to your insurance, your employer is paying most of it.
Funny, was watching last night with my parents and my sister (who claims to be voting for Bush, but she's is getting more and more pissed) My dad brings out his insurance premium increase for next year, jumping 34% next year. Kerry started bashing Bush on Healthcare and being in the pocket of the insurance companies and my sister who works in healthcare and loathes insurance companies finally decided that she cannot vote for Bush. Don't know if she is going to vote for Kerry, but at least that's one less Bush vote in Arizona.
My folks are firmly voting Kerry.
Vicki -- You're just making a contribution to your insurance, your employer is paying most of it.
Kerry gained ground in the debates.
Anonymous
thanks for that link... an interesting comment was made by Ted Koppel last night while he was interviewing the next VP. He said that the GOP was expecting that this would be the case and that is why they negotiated to have the debates concluded relatively early. This would give them time to gain some ground back.
Of course, Ted didn't say this, but I was also thinking "and to pull off an October Surprise!"
Kerry gained ground in the debates.
Anonymous
thanks for that link... an interesting comment was made by Ted Koppel last night while he was interviewing the next VP. He said that the GOP was expecting that this would be the case and that is why they negotiated to have the debates concluded relatively early. This would give them time to gain some ground back.
Of course, Ted didn't say this, but I was also thinking "and to pull off an October Surprise!"
Kerry gained ground in the debates.
Anonymous
thanks for that link... an interesting comment was made by Ted Koppel last night while he was interviewing the next VP. He said that the GOP was expecting that this would be the case and that is why they negotiated to have the debates concluded relatively early. This would give them time to gain some ground back.
Of course, Ted didn't say this, but I was also thinking "and to pull off an October Surprise!"
I hate to say it, but I think we are losing the spin cycle so far. I think it is good that most are saying that the debate was a Kerry win or a draw, but, so far, the "side-story" is by far the Mary Cheney issue.
It's a non-issue, though. This morning, I was listening to local right-wing radio, and the two pundits were trashing Kerry over it. Several callers who said they were strong Bush supporters said that this was a lot of hot air and they really didn't care about it. Some of them thought Kerry was very genuine about it.
I didn't hear from any Democrats. I only listened to it for about twenty minutes. Both pundits seemed like they were contradicting one another while trying to make this sound like a big deal. It was very amusing, let me tell ya.
If we're talking about Mary Cheney's sexuality with 19 more days to go, and just before the weekend, then I can tell you one thing that I'm happy about: They're not talking about any meaty issues. Who's going to vote for Bush because Cheney's gay daughter was talked about in a debate? If anything, it'll confuse Bush's base and make all the homophobe right-wingers sound like hypocrites. Undecided voters aren't undecided at this point because they make bad decisions. If you are still undecided this late in the game, the Mary Cheney issue is either going to piss you off because it's ridiculous or tune you out because you're more interested about the issues.
So, I say let them keep going at it. It sounds desperate and so far, even regular Bush supporters don't care. It's just the Bush supporters who are sour after getting 3 presidential debate losses in a row.
I hate to say it, but I think we are losing the spin cycle so far. I think it is good that most are saying that the debate was a Kerry win or a draw, but, so far, the "side-story" is by far the Mary Cheney issue.
It's a non-issue, though. This morning, I was listening to local right-wing radio, and the two pundits were trashing Kerry over it. Several callers who said they were strong Bush supporters said that this was a lot of hot air and they really didn't care about it. Some of them thought Kerry was very genuine about it.
I didn't hear from any Democrats. I only listened to it for about twenty minutes. Both pundits seemed like they were contradicting one another while trying to make this sound like a big deal. It was very amusing, let me tell ya.
If we're talking about Mary Cheney's sexuality with 19 more days to go, and just before the weekend, then I can tell you one thing that I'm happy about: They're not talking about any meaty issues. Who's going to vote for Bush because Cheney's gay daughter was talked about in a debate? If anything, it'll confuse Bush's base and make all the homophobe right-wingers sound like hypocrites. Undecided voters aren't undecided at this point because they make bad decisions. If you are still undecided this late in the game, the Mary Cheney issue is either going to piss you off because it's ridiculous or tune you out because you're more interested about the issues.
So, I say let them keep going at it. It sounds desperate and so far, even regular Bush supporters don't care. It's just the Bush supporters who are sour after getting 3 presidential debate losses in a row.
I hate to say it, but I think we are losing the spin cycle so far. I think it is good that most are saying that the debate was a Kerry win or a draw, but, so far, the "side-story" is by far the Mary Cheney issue.
It's a non-issue, though. This morning, I was listening to local right-wing radio, and the two pundits were trashing Kerry over it. Several callers who said they were strong Bush supporters said that this was a lot of hot air and they really didn't care about it. Some of them thought Kerry was very genuine about it.
I didn't hear from any Democrats. I only listened to it for about twenty minutes. Both pundits seemed like they were contradicting one another while trying to make this sound like a big deal. It was very amusing, let me tell ya.
If we're talking about Mary Cheney's sexuality with 19 more days to go, and just before the weekend, then I can tell you one thing that I'm happy about: They're not talking about any meaty issues. Who's going to vote for Bush because Cheney's gay daughter was talked about in a debate? If anything, it'll confuse Bush's base and make all the homophobe right-wingers sound like hypocrites. Undecided voters aren't undecided at this point because they make bad decisions. If you are still undecided this late in the game, the Mary Cheney issue is either going to piss you off because it's ridiculous or tune you out because you're more interested about the issues.
So, I say let them keep going at it. It sounds desperate and so far, even regular Bush supporters don't care. It's just the Bush supporters who are sour after getting 3 presidential debate losses in a row.
Um, isn't the real issue here that George W. refuses to let ordinary Amerians have the same health care that the precious (Republican-led, I might add) House and Senate have?
You know damn well that if Clinton had said something like this that every idiot talk show host would say that he's elitist and he has a double-standard that screws average people and benefits government employees and blah blah blah. But Bush says it and they all praise him for his fiscal conservativism.
Um, isn't the real issue here that George W. refuses to let ordinary Amerians have the same health care that the precious (Republican-led, I might add) House and Senate have?
You know damn well that if Clinton had said something like this that every idiot talk show host would say that he's elitist and he has a double-standard that screws average people and benefits government employees and blah blah blah. But Bush says it and they all praise him for his fiscal conservativism.
Um, isn't the real issue here that George W. refuses to let ordinary Amerians have the same health care that the precious (Republican-led, I might add) House and Senate have?
You know damn well that if Clinton had said something like this that every idiot talk show host would say that he's elitist and he has a double-standard that screws average people and benefits government employees and blah blah blah. But Bush says it and they all praise him for his fiscal conservativism.
I'm with you on national health insurance. But you should keep in mind that the per capita number includes the costs for those already on Medicare, and these elderly are much less healthy as a group and more expensive to insure than the average American. The cost per capita for just those under 65 is significantly less.
In any case, I doubt that the difference would fundamentally impact your point. In fact, all the evidence points to the conclusion that a single payer system would make health care cheaper by leveraging buying power, reducing administrative costs, and eliminating the costs to the consumer that are associated with profit for insurers (e.g., Medicare, though it is underfunded in important ways, is far more efficient in its administartive costs than private insurance, and just about every other country spends a lot less on health care and gets no worse health outcomes as a result - in fact, Costa Rica, for a number of reasons, gets significantly better results with far fewer resourses).
I'm with you on national health insurance. But you should keep in mind that the per capita number includes the costs for those already on Medicare, and these elderly are much less healthy as a group and more expensive to insure than the average American. The cost per capita for just those under 65 is significantly less.
In any case, I doubt that the difference would fundamentally impact your point. In fact, all the evidence points to the conclusion that a single payer system would make health care cheaper by leveraging buying power, reducing administrative costs, and eliminating the costs to the consumer that are associated with profit for insurers (e.g., Medicare, though it is underfunded in important ways, is far more efficient in its administartive costs than private insurance, and just about every other country spends a lot less on health care and gets no worse health outcomes as a result - in fact, Costa Rica, for a number of reasons, gets significantly better results with far fewer resourses).
I'm with you on national health insurance. But you should keep in mind that the per capita number includes the costs for those already on Medicare, and these elderly are much less healthy as a group and more expensive to insure than the average American. The cost per capita for just those under 65 is significantly less.
In any case, I doubt that the difference would fundamentally impact your point. In fact, all the evidence points to the conclusion that a single payer system would make health care cheaper by leveraging buying power, reducing administrative costs, and eliminating the costs to the consumer that are associated with profit for insurers (e.g., Medicare, though it is underfunded in important ways, is far more efficient in its administartive costs than private insurance, and just about every other country spends a lot less on health care and gets no worse health outcomes as a result - in fact, Costa Rica, for a number of reasons, gets significantly better results with far fewer resourses).
Get ready. Looks like the Bush folks may try to attack Kerry on the type of discharge he received from the Navy. Not the greatest source.... and hopefully this doesn't have any legs.... but check it out.
thepuppethead
nah ... I don't think so - the DOD reviewed his records and said there was nothing to questions about his discharge.
Get ready. Looks like the Bush folks may try to attack Kerry on the type of discharge he received from the Navy. Not the greatest source.... and hopefully this doesn't have any legs.... but check it out.
thepuppethead
nah ... I don't think so - the DOD reviewed his records and said there was nothing to questions about his discharge.
Get ready. Looks like the Bush folks may try to attack Kerry on the type of discharge he received from the Navy. Not the greatest source.... and hopefully this doesn't have any legs.... but check it out.
thepuppethead
nah ... I don't think so - the DOD reviewed his records and said there was nothing to questions about his discharge.
OT:
Anderson Cooper poll: do you believe the allegations against O'Reilly?
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/...son.cooper.360/
OT:
Anderson Cooper poll: do you believe the allegations against O'Reilly?
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/...son.cooper.360/
OT:
Anderson Cooper poll: do you believe the allegations against O'Reilly?
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/...son.cooper.360/
So, OT, but this is very interesting.
Cheney mysteriously missing from Voters' Pamphlet
SALEM, Ore. - Alert voters leafing through this year's Oregon Voters Pamphlet might notice something missing: Vice President Dick Cheney.
Fred Neal, pamphlet supervisor at the state Elections Division, said that the 40-page booklet lacks a separate section on President George W. Bush's running mate because Republicans decided not to file the material.
"I'm confident it was a conscious decision," Neal said.
Tracey Schmitt, western spokeswoman for the Bush-Cheney campaign, said the party in this case chose to only place a statement from Bush in to the pamphlet.
Wow. Are they THAT ashamed of their own Vice President?
I think we are losing focus people.
That has been the difference between us and the Rove political machine. We need to have focus to pound our message home.
Think about it, Global Test Vs. Not Concerned about Osama.
Global test needs an explanation and is a quote taken out of context.
Osama is in context, and is damning quote just standing on its own.
1. Bush can't be trusted to keep focused on the real war on terror.
2. He isn't concerned about the man behing the attacks of 9/11
We need to call in, and talk about this so that the media has to play the 2002 quote from bush over and over.
We HAVE TO keep focused on message and not get distracted by the comments about Mary Cheney, even though E. Edwards did a great job pinning them on it. We have to keep focused, because the neo-cons will be focused until the very end.
So, OT, but this is very interesting.
Cheney mysteriously missing from Voters' Pamphlet
SALEM, Ore. - Alert voters leafing through this year's Oregon Voters Pamphlet might notice something missing: Vice President Dick Cheney.
Fred Neal, pamphlet supervisor at the state Elections Division, said that the 40-page booklet lacks a separate section on President George W. Bush's running mate because Republicans decided not to file the material.
"I'm confident it was a conscious decision," Neal said.
Tracey Schmitt, western spokeswoman for the Bush-Cheney campaign, said the party in this case chose to only place a statement from Bush in to the pamphlet.
Wow. Are they THAT ashamed of their own Vice President?
I think we are losing focus people.
That has been the difference between us and the Rove political machine. We need to have focus to pound our message home.
Think about it, Global Test Vs. Not Concerned about Osama.
Global test needs an explanation and is a quote taken out of context.
Osama is in context, and is damning quote just standing on its own.
1. Bush can't be trusted to keep focused on the real war on terror.
2. He isn't concerned about the man behing the attacks of 9/11
We need to call in, and talk about this so that the media has to play the 2002 quote from bush over and over.
We HAVE TO keep focused on message and not get distracted by the comments about Mary Cheney, even though E. Edwards did a great job pinning them on it. We have to keep focused, because the neo-cons will be focused until the very end.
So, OT, but this is very interesting.
Cheney mysteriously missing from Voters' Pamphlet
SALEM, Ore. - Alert voters leafing through this year's Oregon Voters Pamphlet might notice something missing: Vice President Dick Cheney.
Fred Neal, pamphlet supervisor at the state Elections Division, said that the 40-page booklet lacks a separate section on President George W. Bush's running mate because Republicans decided not to file the material.
"I'm confident it was a conscious decision," Neal said.
Tracey Schmitt, western spokeswoman for the Bush-Cheney campaign, said the party in this case chose to only place a statement from Bush in to the pamphlet.
Wow. Are they THAT ashamed of their own Vice President?
I think we are losing focus people.
That has been the difference between us and the Rove political machine. We need to have focus to pound our message home.
Think about it, Global Test Vs. Not Concerned about Osama.
Global test needs an explanation and is a quote taken out of context.
Osama is in context, and is damning quote just standing on its own.
1. Bush can't be trusted to keep focused on the real war on terror.
2. He isn't concerned about the man behing the attacks of 9/11
We need to call in, and talk about this so that the media has to play the 2002 quote from bush over and over.
We HAVE TO keep focused on message and not get distracted by the comments about Mary Cheney, even though E. Edwards did a great job pinning them on it. We have to keep focused, because the neo-cons will be focused until the very end.
I'm self employed and just sent in my quarterly check for family coverage health insurance - $2,348. I'll take that $1,500/yr cut in payments.
I'm self employed and just sent in my quarterly check for family coverage health insurance - $2,348. I'll take that $1,500/yr cut in payments.
I'm self employed and just sent in my quarterly check for family coverage health insurance - $2,348. I'll take that $1,500/yr cut in payments.
"Looks like the Bush folks may try to attack Kerry on the type of discharge he received from the Navy."
Well that would be incredibly stupid of them, then we get to go back to Bush writing a letter to the Guard saying he didn't want to complete his Guard service and why he never reported to Guard duty while at Harvard Business school.
"Looks like the Bush folks may try to attack Kerry on the type of discharge he received from the Navy."
Well that would be incredibly stupid of them, then we get to go back to Bush writing a letter to the Guard saying he didn't want to complete his Guard service and why he never reported to Guard duty while at Harvard Business school.
"Looks like the Bush folks may try to attack Kerry on the type of discharge he received from the Navy."
Well that would be incredibly stupid of them, then we get to go back to Bush writing a letter to the Guard saying he didn't want to complete his Guard service and why he never reported to Guard duty while at Harvard Business school.
cervantes ~ I know. 
I'm fortunate. But from what I'm hearing (in whispers) around work, we'll be paying more come January.
cervantes ~ I know. I'm fortunate. But from what I'm hearing (in whispers) around work, we'll be paying more come January.
cervantes ~ I know. I'm fortunate. But from what I'm hearing (in whispers) around work, we'll be paying more come January.
"Looks like the Bush folks may try to attack Kerry on the type of discharge he received from the Navy."
They couldn't do that without also changing the focus to the bazar circumstances surrounding Bush's own discharge from the National Guard.
I'm getting the vibe that if Rove has something up his sleeve it will have very little effect at this late date, especially since most Americans are anticipating a big October Surpise and thus, whould be very suspicious of one. I think the effect would be like the charges of Arnold's sexual harrassment that not ony didn't stick, but help him in the end.
Bottom line: Bush is screwed...
"Looks like the Bush folks may try to attack Kerry on the type of discharge he received from the Navy."
They couldn't do that without also changing the focus to the bazar circumstances surrounding Bush's own discharge from the National Guard.
I'm getting the vibe that if Rove has something up his sleeve it will have very little effect at this late date, especially since most Americans are anticipating a big October Surpise and thus, whould be very suspicious of one. I think the effect would be like the charges of Arnold's sexual harrassment that not ony didn't stick, but help him in the end.
Bottom line: Bush is screwed...
"Looks like the Bush folks may try to attack Kerry on the type of discharge he received from the Navy."
They couldn't do that without also changing the focus to the bazar circumstances surrounding Bush's own discharge from the National Guard.
I'm getting the vibe that if Rove has something up his sleeve it will have very little effect at this late date, especially since most Americans are anticipating a big October Surpise and thus, whould be very suspicious of one. I think the effect would be like the charges of Arnold's sexual harrassment that not ony didn't stick, but help him in the end.
Bottom line: Bush is screwed...
Sorry to go off topic, but thanks to those who replied to my queries and recommended giving to the Kerry Edwards GELAC fund, a war chest that will fight the inevitable vote-stealing. Got an email about a GELAC fundraiser from a lawyer pal today and I'm gonna give the legal limit.
You can give to the GELAC at contribute.johnkerry.com/gelac.html
Dump the gimp chimp -- health care for all!
Sorry to go off topic, but thanks to those who replied to my queries and recommended giving to the Kerry Edwards GELAC fund, a war chest that will fight the inevitable vote-stealing. Got an email about a GELAC fundraiser from a lawyer pal today and I'm gonna give the legal limit.
You can give to the GELAC at contribute.johnkerry.com/gelac.html
Dump the gimp chimp -- health care for all!
Sorry to go off topic, but thanks to those who replied to my queries and recommended giving to the Kerry Edwards GELAC fund, a war chest that will fight the inevitable vote-stealing. Got an email about a GELAC fundraiser from a lawyer pal today and I'm gonna give the legal limit.
You can give to the GELAC at contribute.johnkerry.com/gelac.html
Dump the gimp chimp -- health care for all!
Mat, I agree that the Mary Cheney issue is really a non-issue and that in the bigger picture Kerry is in a much better situation that Gore was in after the debates.
However, I'm frustrated because I think every American should see W for the lying whore he is, and that clip pretty much sums it all up.
I think an effective commercial would be one highlighting the lying liars at their best in the debates...
Cheney with the Saddam/9-11 lie and W and his not giving a rat's ass about bin laden.
These guys have to go!
Mat, I agree that the Mary Cheney issue is really a non-issue and that in the bigger picture Kerry is in a much better situation that Gore was in after the debates.
However, I'm frustrated because I think every American should see W for the lying whore he is, and that clip pretty much sums it all up.
I think an effective commercial would be one highlighting the lying liars at their best in the debates...
Cheney with the Saddam/9-11 lie and W and his not giving a rat's ass about bin laden.
These guys have to go!
Mat, I agree that the Mary Cheney issue is really a non-issue and that in the bigger picture Kerry is in a much better situation that Gore was in after the debates.
However, I'm frustrated because I think every American should see W for the lying whore he is, and that clip pretty much sums it all up.
I think an effective commercial would be one highlighting the lying liars at their best in the debates...
Cheney with the Saddam/9-11 lie and W and his not giving a rat's ass about bin laden.
These guys have to go!
Rodney, you and I may be twins - COBRA was a blessing there for awhile, even if it was pretty high - but Blue Cross was bait and switch - accepted by them at $300 a month, with the very first attempt to get them to pay for standard thyroid blood tests which they KNEW about before they ever accepted me, was told that I needed to wait a full year before -any- coverage would kick in (paying every month of course). Or, if I preferred, they'd be happy to implement the coverage they'd authorised for a mere $675/month.... A quick calculation told me that I could pay my own bill just as easily and a lot cheaper.
Market driven however may be true. This particular market - the absence of health care (not insurance, but actual care access) along with a complete absence of work is what is going to drive me back up to Alberta - home of the C$390/pa health coverage from the Provincial Health Care Plan. Go Single Payer system!
Rodney, you and I may be twins - COBRA was a blessing there for awhile, even if it was pretty high - but Blue Cross was bait and switch - accepted by them at $300 a month, with the very first attempt to get them to pay for standard thyroid blood tests which they KNEW about before they ever accepted me, was told that I needed to wait a full year before -any- coverage would kick in (paying every month of course). Or, if I preferred, they'd be happy to implement the coverage they'd authorised for a mere $675/month.... A quick calculation told me that I could pay my own bill just as easily and a lot cheaper.
Market driven however may be true. This particular market - the absence of health care (not insurance, but actual care access) along with a complete absence of work is what is going to drive me back up to Alberta - home of the C$390/pa health coverage from the Provincial Health Care Plan. Go Single Payer system!
Rodney, you and I may be twins - COBRA was a blessing there for awhile, even if it was pretty high - but Blue Cross was bait and switch - accepted by them at $300 a month, with the very first attempt to get them to pay for standard thyroid blood tests which they KNEW about before they ever accepted me, was told that I needed to wait a full year before -any- coverage would kick in (paying every month of course). Or, if I preferred, they'd be happy to implement the coverage they'd authorised for a mere $675/month.... A quick calculation told me that I could pay my own bill just as easily and a lot cheaper.
Market driven however may be true. This particular market - the absence of health care (not insurance, but actual care access) along with a complete absence of work is what is going to drive me back up to Alberta - home of the C$390/pa health coverage from the Provincial Health Care Plan. Go Single Payer system!
Dow below 10K today (9907); down 94+
My retirement 401K has lost over $80K since BushCo took office.
Run on your record Bush. The real record, not the one whispered in your ear.
Dow below 10K today (9907); down 94+
My retirement 401K has lost over $80K since BushCo took office.
Run on your record Bush. The real record, not the one whispered in your ear.
Dow below 10K today (9907); down 94+
My retirement 401K has lost over $80K since BushCo took office.
Run on your record Bush. The real record, not the one whispered in your ear.
"But government is inefficient!" Maybe my perceptions are colored by experiences with poorly run companies but I think its laughable to suggest that government is inherently less efficient than business.
"But government is inefficient!" Maybe my perceptions are colored by experiences with poorly run companies but I think its laughable to suggest that government is inherently less efficient than business.
"But government is inefficient!" Maybe my perceptions are colored by experiences with poorly run companies but I think its laughable to suggest that government is inherently less efficient than business.
I thought the same thing. When I heard it last night, I said, "I'd buy that!"
Having been unemployed and uninsured for the last 2 years, I patiently await President Kerry's arrival.
Bush got his ass handed to him last night. It was a beautiful thing to see.
The angry retarded chimp looked like he was on some kind of speed or coke or something. The way his mouth was hanging on one side, and the little bit of spittle in the corner... it was scary.
I thought the same thing. When I heard it last night, I said, "I'd buy that!"
Having been unemployed and uninsured for the last 2 years, I patiently await President Kerry's arrival.
Bush got his ass handed to him last night. It was a beautiful thing to see.
The angry retarded chimp looked like he was on some kind of speed or coke or something. The way his mouth was hanging on one side, and the little bit of spittle in the corner... it was scary.
I thought the same thing. When I heard it last night, I said, "I'd buy that!"
Having been unemployed and uninsured for the last 2 years, I patiently await President Kerry's arrival.
Bush got his ass handed to him last night. It was a beautiful thing to see.
The angry retarded chimp looked like he was on some kind of speed or coke or something. The way his mouth was hanging on one side, and the little bit of spittle in the corner... it was scary.
Anderson Cooper poll: do you believe the allegations against O'Reilly?
90% Yes
10% No
Bawahahahahahahahahahahaha
Anderson Cooper poll: do you believe the allegations against O'Reilly?
90% Yes
10% No
Bawahahahahahahahahahahaha
Anderson Cooper poll: do you believe the allegations against O'Reilly?
90% Yes
10% No
Bawahahahahahahahahahahaha
I thought Kerry did well last night, but the one I wanted him to knock out of the park (besides the previously mentioned "If we can't get enough flu vaccines, how can we be ready for smallpox attack), is when Bush yammered on about 1) that the U.S. is working with Canada on more vaccines after the British batch was spoiled and 2) when Bush was talking about 21st century jobs.
I would have loved Kerry to respond to 1) with "Oh, so the evil dangerous drugs from Canada you warned us about last week aren't so bad anymore, eh, Mr. President" and well as "Why the hell are we outsourcing our own flu vaccines?"
For 2) I wish Kerry would have mentioned or challenged Bush on what exactly those 21st century jobs are, like nanotech, alternative energy, biotech, faster high tech, or what. Both of them talked about it, but if Kerry would have mentioned what the jobs were, he would have crushed Bush right then and there by actually having a vision about how American workers will be leading the world again.
Still, Kerry did great and I'm really looking forward to Nov. 2.
I thought Kerry did well last night, but the one I wanted him to knock out of the park (besides the previously mentioned "If we can't get enough flu vaccines, how can we be ready for smallpox attack), is when Bush yammered on about 1) that the U.S. is working with Canada on more vaccines after the British batch was spoiled and 2) when Bush was talking about 21st century jobs.
I would have loved Kerry to respond to 1) with "Oh, so the evil dangerous drugs from Canada you warned us about last week aren't so bad anymore, eh, Mr. President" and well as "Why the hell are we outsourcing our own flu vaccines?"
For 2) I wish Kerry would have mentioned or challenged Bush on what exactly those 21st century jobs are, like nanotech, alternative energy, biotech, faster high tech, or what. Both of them talked about it, but if Kerry would have mentioned what the jobs were, he would have crushed Bush right then and there by actually having a vision about how American workers will be leading the world again.
Still, Kerry did great and I'm really looking forward to Nov. 2.
I thought Kerry did well last night, but the one I wanted him to knock out of the park (besides the previously mentioned "If we can't get enough flu vaccines, how can we be ready for smallpox attack), is when Bush yammered on about 1) that the U.S. is working with Canada on more vaccines after the British batch was spoiled and 2) when Bush was talking about 21st century jobs.
I would have loved Kerry to respond to 1) with "Oh, so the evil dangerous drugs from Canada you warned us about last week aren't so bad anymore, eh, Mr. President" and well as "Why the hell are we outsourcing our own flu vaccines?"
For 2) I wish Kerry would have mentioned or challenged Bush on what exactly those 21st century jobs are, like nanotech, alternative energy, biotech, faster high tech, or what. Both of them talked about it, but if Kerry would have mentioned what the jobs were, he would have crushed Bush right then and there by actually having a vision about how American workers will be leading the world again.
Still, Kerry did great and I'm really looking forward to Nov. 2.
Really, they need to let up on Kerry's service. Why they continue to drive into that concrete embankment is beyond me. It's not a weakness.
Really, they need to let up on Kerry's service. Why they continue to drive into that concrete embankment is beyond me. It's not a weakness.
Really, they need to let up on Kerry's service. Why they continue to drive into that concrete embankment is beyond me. It's not a weakness.
When Bush said "the government can't provide good health care," the first thing I said was "what about the VA? are you saying the government provides poor health care to our wounded veterans? That our government ought not to provide health care to our wounded veterans?"
Christopher
Great catch. Wish there were another debate so Kerry could work that in. My first response to Bush's health care remarks was "Way to insult Britain and Canada, numbnuts."
However, further research shows that the BEST health care system in the world belongs to those cheese-eating surrender monkeys! (warning: acrobat document - see column on page 4 for "overall performance")
Moreover, the land of Capitalism Most Holy ranks dead last in a bunch of indicators, mostly those concerned with expenditure per capita. Yeah, I know, it's that dadburned malpractice insurance. Funny how the Dreaded Socialists seem to handle that without significant problems.
If any of you free market trolls have newer figures disputing this (that don't come from "studies" funded by the AEI), please post em. I promise to keep an open mind.
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When Bush said "the government can't provide good health care," the first thing I said was "what about the VA? are you saying the government provides poor health care to our wounded veterans? That our government ought not to provide health care to our wounded veterans?"
Christopher
Great catch. Wish there were another debate so Kerry could work that in. My first response to Bush's health care remarks was "Way to insult Britain and Canada, numbnuts."
However, further research shows that the BEST health care system in the world belongs to those cheese-eating surrender monkeys! (warning: acrobat document - see column on page 4 for "overall performance")
Moreover, the land of Capitalism Most Holy ranks dead last in a bunch of indicators, mostly those concerned with expenditure per capita. Yeah, I know, it's that dadburned malpractice insurance. Funny how the Dreaded Socialists seem to handle that without significant problems.
If any of you free market trolls have newer figures disputing this (that don't come from "studies" funded by the AEI), please post em. I promise to keep an open mind.
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When Bush said "the government can't provide good health care," the first thing I said was "what about the VA? are you saying the government provides poor health care to our wounded veterans? That our government ought not to provide health care to our wounded veterans?"
Christopher
Great catch. Wish there were another debate so Kerry could work that in. My first response to Bush's health care remarks was "Way to insult Britain and Canada, numbnuts."
However, further research shows that the BEST health care system in the world belongs to those cheese-eating surrender monkeys! (warning: acrobat document - see column on page 4 for "overall performance")
Moreover, the land of Capitalism Most Holy ranks dead last in a bunch of indicators, mostly those concerned with expenditure per capita. Yeah, I know, it's that dadburned malpractice insurance. Funny how the Dreaded Socialists seem to handle that without significant problems.
If any of you free market trolls have newer figures disputing this (that don't come from "studies" funded by the AEI), please post em. I promise to keep an open mind.
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Anonymous at 3:02 was me. Much apologizes.
Anonymous at 3:02 was me. Much apologizes.
Anonymous at 3:02 was me. Much apologizes.
Proposing that Bush
Processes rational thought...
Exaggeration.
Proposing that Bush
Processes rational thought...
Exaggeration.
Proposing that Bush
Processes rational thought...
Exaggeration.
krsaz, there always seems to be one sibling in the family who will support a Republican regardless of reality. This year, the reality is huge. I have a sister who proudly claims that she has been a "card carrying member" of the Republican Party since 1980. Big Fucking Deal, I swear. My sister is voting Bush. She is beyond hope.
krsaz, there always seems to be one sibling in the family who will support a Republican regardless of reality. This year, the reality is huge. I have a sister who proudly claims that she has been a "card carrying member" of the Republican Party since 1980. Big Fucking Deal, I swear. My sister is voting Bush. She is beyond hope.
krsaz, there always seems to be one sibling in the family who will support a Republican regardless of reality. This year, the reality is huge. I have a sister who proudly claims that she has been a "card carrying member" of the Republican Party since 1980. Big Fucking Deal, I swear. My sister is voting Bush. She is beyond hope.
Is there a brave senator or congressperson that would just put in a bill raising pay by $7,700 per member and eliminating health insurance for all representatives?
I thought not.
Is there a brave senator or congressperson that would just put in a bill raising pay by $7,700 per member and eliminating health insurance for all representatives?
I thought not.
Is there a brave senator or congressperson that would just put in a bill raising pay by $7,700 per member and eliminating health insurance for all representatives?
I thought not.
I really hope, if there is a new plan, that I, as a single person, do not have to pay the same rate as a family does. Why not just insure on a per-person basis? Got three kids? Pay for each of them. Otherwise, aren't other people are picking up the tab?
I have to admit this is a bit of a sticky issue for me overall. My step-kids are grown up, but a portion of my taxes (which I gladly pay) goes towards the education of other people's kids, and they are the ones who not only get a bit of subsidy from people like me, they also get a tax break.
I really don't have a problem with it, because I think the more educated we are, the better off we are as a society and I'm willing to contribute to that. But it is a little unfair.
So, while I believe strongly that all Americans should be insured so that we can be a strong, healthy country, there's no question that single people get kinda screwed by this "Married People Deserve More Than Single People, And Especially If You Have Kids" society. Unless you're gay ... then you not only get screwed, you also get used as a political football.
I really hope, if there is a new plan, that I, as a single person, do not have to pay the same rate as a family does. Why not just insure on a per-person basis? Got three kids? Pay for each of them. Otherwise, aren't other people are picking up the tab?
I have to admit this is a bit of a sticky issue for me overall. My step-kids are grown up, but a portion of my taxes (which I gladly pay) goes towards the education of other people's kids, and they are the ones who not only get a bit of subsidy from people like me, they also get a tax break.
I really don't have a problem with it, because I think the more educated we are, the better off we are as a society and I'm willing to contribute to that. But it is a little unfair.
So, while I believe strongly that all Americans should be insured so that we can be a strong, healthy country, there's no question that single people get kinda screwed by this "Married People Deserve More Than Single People, And Especially If You Have Kids" society. Unless you're gay ... then you not only get screwed, you also get used as a political football.
I really hope, if there is a new plan, that I, as a single person, do not have to pay the same rate as a family does. Why not just insure on a per-person basis? Got three kids? Pay for each of them. Otherwise, aren't other people are picking up the tab?
I have to admit this is a bit of a sticky issue for me overall. My step-kids are grown up, but a portion of my taxes (which I gladly pay) goes towards the education of other people's kids, and they are the ones who not only get a bit of subsidy from people like me, they also get a tax break.
I really don't have a problem with it, because I think the more educated we are, the better off we are as a society and I'm willing to contribute to that. But it is a little unfair.
So, while I believe strongly that all Americans should be insured so that we can be a strong, healthy country, there's no question that single people get kinda screwed by this "Married People Deserve More Than Single People, And Especially If You Have Kids" society. Unless you're gay ... then you not only get screwed, you also get used as a political football.
We have to keep focused, because the neo-cons will be focused until the very end.
JCAZ
I completely agree. We can't re-live that awful feeling of 2000. It will be so much worse. We got to do what it takes to win, and be fucking relentless.... volunteer and give if you can...
From Al Gore, the man who knows!
...In 2000, my campaign had to make excruciatingly difficult decisions on allocating our resources to the most winnable states. We knew the final margin would be razor thin, but we had to pick and choose which states we could afford to saturate with TV ads during the final drive to Election Day.
We were forced by the limitations of our campaign funding to make a series of tough choices -- including a decision to go for it in Florida and scale back in Ohio. If we had been able to pay for a full TV ad campaign in all of the key battleground states, we might not have lost Ohio by a thin margin. And of course, even though I think we won Florida, well, you know what happened there.
So, don't let it happen again, contribute now...
https://www.democrats.org/support...port/
kerry.html
We have to keep focused, because the neo-cons will be focused until the very end.
JCAZ
I completely agree. We can't re-live that awful feeling of 2000. It will be so much worse. We got to do what it takes to win, and be fucking relentless.... volunteer and give if you can...
From Al Gore, the man who knows!
...In 2000, my campaign had to make excruciatingly difficult decisions on allocating our resources to the most winnable states. We knew the final margin would be razor thin, but we had to pick and choose which states we could afford to saturate with TV ads during the final drive to Election Day.
We were forced by the limitations of our campaign funding to make a series of tough choices -- including a decision to go for it in Florida and scale back in Ohio. If we had been able to pay for a full TV ad campaign in all of the key battleground states, we might not have lost Ohio by a thin margin. And of course, even though I think we won Florida, well, you know what happened there.
So, don't let it happen again, contribute now...
https://www.democrats.org/support...port/
kerry.html
We have to keep focused, because the neo-cons will be focused until the very end.
JCAZ
I completely agree. We can't re-live that awful feeling of 2000. It will be so much worse. We got to do what it takes to win, and be fucking relentless.... volunteer and give if you can...
From Al Gore, the man who knows!
...In 2000, my campaign had to make excruciatingly difficult decisions on allocating our resources to the most winnable states. We knew the final margin would be razor thin, but we had to pick and choose which states we could afford to saturate with TV ads during the final drive to Election Day.
We were forced by the limitations of our campaign funding to make a series of tough choices -- including a decision to go for it in Florida and scale back in Ohio. If we had been able to pay for a full TV ad campaign in all of the key battleground states, we might not have lost Ohio by a thin margin. And of course, even though I think we won Florida, well, you know what happened there.
So, don't let it happen again, contribute now...
https://www.democrats.org/support...port/
kerry.html
I'm frustrated because I think every American should see W for the lying whore he is, and that clip pretty much sums it all up.
smarty jones
My girlfriend is from Ohio and her parents and brother supported Bush in 2000. Over the last 2 years we've dated, I've seen her parents go from staunch Bush lovers to deep Bush haters, and that's without my constant barrage of Bad Bad Bushness.
My conclusion on that is, Bush made an outright lie and most people noticed it, especially us bloggers. The NY Times, Washington Post, Boston Globe, Salon, FactCheck.org and countless other publications have already pointed out this blatent Bush lie and provided the evidence. It's late October. If you still think Bush is a boy scout, then that lie won't change shit for you. If you already distrust Bush, then you either already know the quote or the effect of it on cable news won't change your opinion. Cable news didn't really go after Cheney hard when he said he never linked 911 with Saddam and he got nailed for it on cable news and publications, but it's really not an issue that is interesting enough to blast 24hrs on cable news. Today on MSNBC, they bashed Bush for saying this. The MSNBC panel did the same thing last night. PBS Sheilds and Brooks post-debate wrap did it, too. I'm sure CNN and Fox did it. I swear i read that somewhere.
Point is, this late in the game, its about a non-issue as Mary Cheney's gayness. Does it deserve more coverage? Of course. But the outcome would be just as miniscule.
I'm frustrated because I think every American should see W for the lying whore he is, and that clip pretty much sums it all up.
smarty jones
My girlfriend is from Ohio and her parents and brother supported Bush in 2000. Over the last 2 years we've dated, I've seen her parents go from staunch Bush lovers to deep Bush haters, and that's without my constant barrage of Bad Bad Bushness.
My conclusion on that is, Bush made an outright lie and most people noticed it, especially us bloggers. The NY Times, Washington Post, Boston Globe, Salon, FactCheck.org and countless other publications have already pointed out this blatent Bush lie and provided the evidence. It's late October. If you still think Bush is a boy scout, then that lie won't change shit for you. If you already distrust Bush, then you either already know the quote or the effect of it on cable news won't change your opinion. Cable news didn't really go after Cheney hard when he said he never linked 911 with Saddam and he got nailed for it on cable news and publications, but it's really not an issue that is interesting enough to blast 24hrs on cable news. Today on MSNBC, they bashed Bush for saying this. The MSNBC panel did the same thing last night. PBS Sheilds and Brooks post-debate wrap did it, too. I'm sure CNN and Fox did it. I swear i read that somewhere.
Point is, this late in the game, its about a non-issue as Mary Cheney's gayness. Does it deserve more coverage? Of course. But the outcome would be just as miniscule.
I'm frustrated because I think every American should see W for the lying whore he is, and that clip pretty much sums it all up.
smarty jones
My girlfriend is from Ohio and her parents and brother supported Bush in 2000. Over the last 2 years we've dated, I've seen her parents go from staunch Bush lovers to deep Bush haters, and that's without my constant barrage of Bad Bad Bushness.
My conclusion on that is, Bush made an outright lie and most people noticed it, especially us bloggers. The NY Times, Washington Post, Boston Globe, Salon, FactCheck.org and countless other publications have already pointed out this blatent Bush lie and provided the evidence. It's late October. If you still think Bush is a boy scout, then that lie won't change shit for you. If you already distrust Bush, then you either already know the quote or the effect of it on cable news won't change your opinion. Cable news didn't really go after Cheney hard when he said he never linked 911 with Saddam and he got nailed for it on cable news and publications, but it's really not an issue that is interesting enough to blast 24hrs on cable news. Today on MSNBC, they bashed Bush for saying this. The MSNBC panel did the same thing last night. PBS Sheilds and Brooks post-debate wrap did it, too. I'm sure CNN and Fox did it. I swear i read that somewhere.
Point is, this late in the game, its about a non-issue as Mary Cheney's gayness. Does it deserve more coverage? Of course. But the outcome would be just as miniscule.
Primetime Live (ABC) tonight:
Soldiers maimed in combat in Iraq return to lives of poverty, unable to support themselves or their families.
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Will Bush tell them to go to community college?
Primetime Live (ABC) tonight:
Soldiers maimed in combat in Iraq return to lives of poverty, unable to support themselves or their families.
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Will Bush tell them to go to community college?
Primetime Live (ABC) tonight:
Soldiers maimed in combat in Iraq return to lives of poverty, unable to support themselves or their families.
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Will Bush tell them to go to community college?
Flu vaccine from Canada is OK, but nothing else? So in a shortage their pharms are fine? Kerry let this go without comment. Bush looked petrified, then astonished, when he got away with this. He became emboldened, which lead to his Osama comment.
Kerry needs to do a little pre-emption with the press and the people. Get out front and defuse the obvious coming attacks, so he can point to them as signs of desperation.
Flu vaccine from Canada is OK, but nothing else? So in a shortage their pharms are fine? Kerry let this go without comment. Bush looked petrified, then astonished, when he got away with this. He became emboldened, which lead to his Osama comment.
Kerry needs to do a little pre-emption with the press and the people. Get out front and defuse the obvious coming attacks, so he can point to them as signs of desperation.
Flu vaccine from Canada is OK, but nothing else? So in a shortage their pharms are fine? Kerry let this go without comment. Bush looked petrified, then astonished, when he got away with this. He became emboldened, which lead to his Osama comment.
Kerry needs to do a little pre-emption with the press and the people. Get out front and defuse the obvious coming attacks, so he can point to them as signs of desperation.
As I think about it, Bush's position on Kerry's health care plan is entirely consistent if wrongheaded (how typical).
After all, in other contexts, Bush has touted his tax cuts while ignoring Kerry's argument that it doesn't matter what taxes are (btw - why doesn't Kerry point out that because the feds have stiffed the states, state and local taxes are going up?), what matters is how much money leaves people's homes vs. how much comes in (well ... I know some people would spend more money weasiling out of taxes than they would in paying those taxes).
Given that GWB doesn't really dispute Kerry's arguments but instead refocuses the debate on taxes, per se, one can infer that GWB believes that it is better for families to have to pay more out of pocket expenses than to have the feds. administer a taxpayer funded program even if the latter ends up costing families less.
So the same with the health-care plan, which GWB (deliberately mis-)interprets to be a government funded plan: GWB would rather that people spend $5,450 per capita than $7,700 per family - even if working families are having to pay more at $5,450 per capita, in Rethug land, it is better that individuals pay more directly to businesses than to pay less and have the gov. take advantage of an economy of scale (it's the ultimate victory of Taft over Roosevelt for the soul of the GOP). It's a basic principle as well as proof that libs. are more pragmatic than "conservatives". Of course, some may note the key part - pay more money directly to business ... after all, that's what the Rethug doctrine is all about, ain't it?
Interestingly, though, as I bet Dr. A. means with "calling for a government", what Kerry proposes is not a government funded plan but actually is really not too much different than what Bush proposes - people have an opportunity to buy into some sort of health insurance.
The difference is that Bush's plan only covers catastrophic and is "market based" (will someone please explain to Bush that markets can only drive health care costs so low before said health care becomes unavailable - there is a certain point at which people are no longer willing to supply a service because they ain't gettin' paid enough. To put in more folksily: you cannot milk a dry cow!) whereas Kerry's, for a little more, gives you a comprehensive plan.
As I think about it, Bush's position on Kerry's health care plan is entirely consistent if wrongheaded (how typical).
After all, in other contexts, Bush has touted his tax cuts while ignoring Kerry's argument that it doesn't matter what taxes are (btw - why doesn't Kerry point out that because the feds have stiffed the states, state and local taxes are going up?), what matters is how much money leaves people's homes vs. how much comes in (well ... I know some people would spend more money weasiling out of taxes than they would in paying those taxes).
Given that GWB doesn't really dispute Kerry's arguments but instead refocuses the debate on taxes, per se, one can infer that GWB believes that it is better for families to have to pay more out of pocket expenses than to have the feds. administer a taxpayer funded program even if the latter ends up costing families less.
So the same with the health-care plan, which GWB (deliberately mis-)interprets to be a government funded plan: GWB would rather that people spend $5,450 per capita than $7,700 per family - even if working families are having to pay more at $5,450 per capita, in Rethug land, it is better that individuals pay more directly to businesses than to pay less and have the gov. take advantage of an economy of scale (it's the ultimate victory of Taft over Roosevelt for the soul of the GOP). It's a basic principle as well as proof that libs. are more pragmatic than "conservatives". Of course, some may note the key part - pay more money directly to business ... after all, that's what the Rethug doctrine is all about, ain't it?
Interestingly, though, as I bet Dr. A. means with "calling for a government", what Kerry proposes is not a government funded plan but actually is really not too much different than what Bush proposes - people have an opportunity to buy into some sort of health insurance.
The difference is that Bush's plan only covers catastrophic and is "market based" (will someone please explain to Bush that markets can only drive health care costs so low before said health care becomes unavailable - there is a certain point at which people are no longer willing to supply a service because they ain't gettin' paid enough. To put in more folksily: you cannot milk a dry cow!) whereas Kerry's, for a little more, gives you a comprehensive plan.
As I think about it, Bush's position on Kerry's health care plan is entirely consistent if wrongheaded (how typical).
After all, in other contexts, Bush has touted his tax cuts while ignoring Kerry's argument that it doesn't matter what taxes are (btw - why doesn't Kerry point out that because the feds have stiffed the states, state and local taxes are going up?), what matters is how much money leaves people's homes vs. how much comes in (well ... I know some people would spend more money weasiling out of taxes than they would in paying those taxes).
Given that GWB doesn't really dispute Kerry's arguments but instead refocuses the debate on taxes, per se, one can infer that GWB believes that it is better for families to have to pay more out of pocket expenses than to have the feds. administer a taxpayer funded program even if the latter ends up costing families less.
So the same with the health-care plan, which GWB (deliberately mis-)interprets to be a government funded plan: GWB would rather that people spend $5,450 per capita than $7,700 per family - even if working families are having to pay more at $5,450 per capita, in Rethug land, it is better that individuals pay more directly to businesses than to pay less and have the gov. take advantage of an economy of scale (it's the ultimate victory of Taft over Roosevelt for the soul of the GOP). It's a basic principle as well as proof that libs. are more pragmatic than "conservatives". Of course, some may note the key part - pay more money directly to business ... after all, that's what the Rethug doctrine is all about, ain't it?
Interestingly, though, as I bet Dr. A. means with "calling for a government", what Kerry proposes is not a government funded plan but actually is really not too much different than what Bush proposes - people have an opportunity to buy into some sort of health insurance.
The difference is that Bush's plan only covers catastrophic and is "market based" (will someone please explain to Bush that markets can only drive health care costs so low before said health care becomes unavailable - there is a certain point at which people are no longer willing to supply a service because they ain't gettin' paid enough. To put in more folksily: you cannot milk a dry cow!) whereas Kerry's, for a little more, gives you a comprehensive plan.
The $7700 Bush was suggesting is cheap, especially when you consider how old a lot of these government workers are, and what a good-looking benefit package it probably is. But many people will think $7k for a family is expensive, for 2 key reasons--employer subsidy and risk-based premiums.
The employer subsidy means that the only part of the premium most people see is their share. So, to them, insurance costs only the $3k a year that's taken out in pre-tax dollars on their paycheck.
And for people buying insurance on the open market in most states, premiums are risk-adjusted. And since the majority of people buying insurance are healthy folks spending zilch on medicine (while a handful of sick people spend a fortune), the average premium is WAY higher than the median premium.
I think it was a smart move by Bush. $7700 sounds expensive to anyone who isn't already sick or living in a community-rated state (and all community-rated states are blue). Bush gets to paint Kerry as a spendy liberal on a moderate policy that would save a majority of Americans a fortune. It's a smart move, and it's one of the 3 trillion reasons it's so hard to win on healthcare even when your policies kick ass.
The $7700 Bush was suggesting is cheap, especially when you consider how old a lot of these government workers are, and what a good-looking benefit package it probably is. But many people will think $7k for a family is expensive, for 2 key reasons--employer subsidy and risk-based premiums.
The employer subsidy means that the only part of the premium most people see is their share. So, to them, insurance costs only the $3k a year that's taken out in pre-tax dollars on their paycheck.
And for people buying insurance on the open market in most states, premiums are risk-adjusted. And since the majority of people buying insurance are healthy folks spending zilch on medicine (while a handful of sick people spend a fortune), the average premium is WAY higher than the median premium.
I think it was a smart move by Bush. $7700 sounds expensive to anyone who isn't already sick or living in a community-rated state (and all community-rated states are blue). Bush gets to paint Kerry as a spendy liberal on a moderate policy that would save a majority of Americans a fortune. It's a smart move, and it's one of the 3 trillion reasons it's so hard to win on healthcare even when your policies kick ass.
The $7700 Bush was suggesting is cheap, especially when you consider how old a lot of these government workers are, and what a good-looking benefit package it probably is. But many people will think $7k for a family is expensive, for 2 key reasons--employer subsidy and risk-based premiums.
The employer subsidy means that the only part of the premium most people see is their share. So, to them, insurance costs only the $3k a year that's taken out in pre-tax dollars on their paycheck.
And for people buying insurance on the open market in most states, premiums are risk-adjusted. And since the majority of people buying insurance are healthy folks spending zilch on medicine (while a handful of sick people spend a fortune), the average premium is WAY higher than the median premium.
I think it was a smart move by Bush. $7700 sounds expensive to anyone who isn't already sick or living in a community-rated state (and all community-rated states are blue). Bush gets to paint Kerry as a spendy liberal on a moderate policy that would save a majority of Americans a fortune. It's a smart move, and it's one of the 3 trillion reasons it's so hard to win on healthcare even when your policies kick ass.
Just heard a local radio call-in show on the local (Maine) public radio station. A small business owner (employing 25 people) called in to say that his cost was $12K per family per year. He thought that $7K and change sounded pretty good.
Just heard a local radio call-in show on the local (Maine) public radio station. A small business owner (employing 25 people) called in to say that his cost was $12K per family per year. He thought that $7K and change sounded pretty good.
Just heard a local radio call-in show on the local (Maine) public radio station. A small business owner (employing 25 people) called in to say that his cost was $12K per family per year. He thought that $7K and change sounded pretty good.
Single payer would be cheaper. It's downfall is that the rich wouldn't be able to demand all the new technology that's driving the costs ever upward.
That's the economic truth.
Single payer would be cheaper. It's downfall is that the rich wouldn't be able to demand all the new technology that's driving the costs ever upward.
That's the economic truth.
Single payer would be cheaper. It's downfall is that the rich wouldn't be able to demand all the new technology that's driving the costs ever upward.
That's the economic truth.
Well Brooklyn Girl, you have put your finger on an important issue. Calling for universal health care isn't enough, it has to be progressively financed. The details of how household size, income, etc. affect what you end up paying are important. In Canada and the UK, it's basically financed out of general tax revenues; in many European countries there is a voucher system, where people buy insurance for themselves but some form of subsidy is given to low income people. And various combinations and permutations are possible. So yeah, there's plenty of devil in the details. But as a society, we haven't even started talking about it. It's long past time.
And as for raising taxes to pay for it -- folks, you're paying for it now. Even people like Vicki who have insurance paid for or subsidized by their employers -- if they weren't paying for your health insurance, most of that money would be in your paycheck instead. So yes, you are paying. If you paid by means of taxes, you would pay less, but the demagoguery around that proposal would be impossible to overcome given the general ignorance and whorishness of the corporate media.
Well Brooklyn Girl, you have put your finger on an important issue. Calling for universal health care isn't enough, it has to be progressively financed. The details of how household size, income, etc. affect what you end up paying are important. In Canada and the UK, it's basically financed out of general tax revenues; in many European countries there is a voucher system, where people buy insurance for themselves but some form of subsidy is given to low income people. And various combinations and permutations are possible. So yeah, there's plenty of devil in the details. But as a society, we haven't even started talking about it. It's long past time.
And as for raising taxes to pay for it -- folks, you're paying for it now. Even people like Vicki who have insurance paid for or subsidized by their employers -- if they weren't paying for your health insurance, most of that money would be in your paycheck instead. So yes, you are paying. If you paid by means of taxes, you would pay less, but the demagoguery around that proposal would be impossible to overcome given the general ignorance and whorishness of the corporate media.
Well Brooklyn Girl, you have put your finger on an important issue. Calling for universal health care isn't enough, it has to be progressively financed. The details of how household size, income, etc. affect what you end up paying are important. In Canada and the UK, it's basically financed out of general tax revenues; in many European countries there is a voucher system, where people buy insurance for themselves but some form of subsidy is given to low income people. And various combinations and permutations are possible. So yeah, there's plenty of devil in the details. But as a society, we haven't even started talking about it. It's long past time.
And as for raising taxes to pay for it -- folks, you're paying for it now. Even people like Vicki who have insurance paid for or subsidized by their employers -- if they weren't paying for your health insurance, most of that money would be in your paycheck instead. So yes, you are paying. If you paid by means of taxes, you would pay less, but the demagoguery around that proposal would be impossible to overcome given the general ignorance and whorishness of the corporate media.
Vicki:
I have given up on my brother, firmly religous zealot freak bush voter, I knew my sister was weak in her support because Bush kept doing things to screw with her life, like taking away her overtime. I just kept at her and she finally gave up the ghost. Now I have to convince her that not voting isn't good enough, I want a vote for Kerry/Edwards, I've got three weeks.
Vicki:
I have given up on my brother, firmly religous zealot freak bush voter, I knew my sister was weak in her support because Bush kept doing things to screw with her life, like taking away her overtime. I just kept at her and she finally gave up the ghost. Now I have to convince her that not voting isn't good enough, I want a vote for Kerry/Edwards, I've got three weeks.
Vicki:
I have given up on my brother, firmly religous zealot freak bush voter, I knew my sister was weak in her support because Bush kept doing things to screw with her life, like taking away her overtime. I just kept at her and she finally gave up the ghost. Now I have to convince her that not voting isn't good enough, I want a vote for Kerry/Edwards, I've got three weeks.
here's a great ad!
(Bush osama quote)
"I Don't think I said that..."
THAT'S THE PROBLEM GEORGE...
YOU DON'T THINK!
here's a great ad!
(Bush osama quote)
"I Don't think I said that..."
THAT'S THE PROBLEM GEORGE...
YOU DON'T THINK!
here's a great ad!
(Bush osama quote)
"I Don't think I said that..."
THAT'S THE PROBLEM GEORGE...
YOU DON'T THINK!
krsaz ~
You're in a swing state, correct? Keep working on your sister!
krsaz ~
You're in a swing state, correct? Keep working on your sister!
krsaz ~
You're in a swing state, correct? Keep working on your sister!
UK then Canada. Its like W wants the US to pass some kind of global flu test.
UK then Canada. Its like W wants the US to pass some kind of global flu test.
UK then Canada. Its like W wants the US to pass some kind of global flu test.
We don't need no government run health care you socialist pinkos! We need private health savings accounts so we can control our own medical decisions, just doctor and patient, just like the HMOs allow us to do now. That's why we can't sue them, because it would just drive up the costs of health care and it would not be affordable like it is now, and then where would we be? That's why we need tort reform, so that HMOs and doctors can be sure that they can make the right decisions for their patients and not worry about getting sued for making the wrong decision that maybe they had to make to protect their private for-profit free market but protected from negligence lawsuits bottom line which is more important in a capitalist paradise than health is anyway. See, if we all have lots of cash from having tax free health savings accounts, we can just buy good health.
We don't need no government run health care you socialist pinkos! We need private health savings accounts so we can control our own medical decisions, just doctor and patient, just like the HMOs allow us to do now. That's why we can't sue them, because it would just drive up the costs of health care and it would not be affordable like it is now, and then where would we be? That's why we need tort reform, so that HMOs and doctors can be sure that they can make the right decisions for their patients and not worry about getting sued for making the wrong decision that maybe they had to make to protect their private for-profit free market but protected from negligence lawsuits bottom line which is more important in a capitalist paradise than health is anyway. See, if we all have lots of cash from having tax free health savings accounts, we can just buy good health.
We don't need no government run health care you socialist pinkos! We need private health savings accounts so we can control our own medical decisions, just doctor and patient, just like the HMOs allow us to do now. That's why we can't sue them, because it would just drive up the costs of health care and it would not be affordable like it is now, and then where would we be? That's why we need tort reform, so that HMOs and doctors can be sure that they can make the right decisions for their patients and not worry about getting sued for making the wrong decision that maybe they had to make to protect their private for-profit free market but protected from negligence lawsuits bottom line which is more important in a capitalist paradise than health is anyway. See, if we all have lots of cash from having tax free health savings accounts, we can just buy good health.
Bush made a big mistake with the $7,700.00 comment, he just moved several million small business owners into Kerry's camp, because they are averaging way more than that for health care and Kerry is proposing a 50% tax deduction for small businesses to encourage paying for healthcare. I work in a law office and luckily only have to pay a small portion of each check for my own insurance, my kids are covered under my ex's policy because she works in a hospital and they have good healthcare benefits. Small businesses will benefit under Kerry and get more of the same from Bush.
Bush made a big mistake with the $7,700.00 comment, he just moved several million small business owners into Kerry's camp, because they are averaging way more than that for health care and Kerry is proposing a 50% tax deduction for small businesses to encourage paying for healthcare. I work in a law office and luckily only have to pay a small portion of each check for my own insurance, my kids are covered under my ex's policy because she works in a hospital and they have good healthcare benefits. Small businesses will benefit under Kerry and get more of the same from Bush.
Bush made a big mistake with the $7,700.00 comment, he just moved several million small business owners into Kerry's camp, because they are averaging way more than that for health care and Kerry is proposing a 50% tax deduction for small businesses to encourage paying for healthcare. I work in a law office and luckily only have to pay a small portion of each check for my own insurance, my kids are covered under my ex's policy because she works in a hospital and they have good healthcare benefits. Small businesses will benefit under Kerry and get more of the same from Bush.
We spend about $1.4 trillion (maybe a little more now) a year on healthcare. If we can spend $5 trillion over the next 10 years by having the government take it over, wow, such a deal! Thanks George for the good idea.
We spend about $1.4 trillion (maybe a little more now) a year on healthcare. If we can spend $5 trillion over the next 10 years by having the government take it over, wow, such a deal! Thanks George for the good idea.
We spend about $1.4 trillion (maybe a little more now) a year on healthcare. If we can spend $5 trillion over the next 10 years by having the government take it over, wow, such a deal! Thanks George for the good idea.
Bush on health care: "It would cost us trillions of dollars and hell, no one would even get killed! At least in Iraq, we're killing folks while we're spending all that money."
7700 per family. Bush thinks your family's health is not worth 8000 bucks a year. Scarier yet, Bush hasn't figured out that the 8000 bucks a year will probably save the government and the insurance industry 10s of thousands of dollars in the long run. Bringing more people into the continuum of care early will prevent more illness ahead of time. It's not rocket science, Georgie. "
Bush on health care: "It would cost us trillions of dollars and hell, no one would even get killed! At least in Iraq, we're killing folks while we're spending all that money."
7700 per family. Bush thinks your family's health is not worth 8000 bucks a year. Scarier yet, Bush hasn't figured out that the 8000 bucks a year will probably save the government and the insurance industry 10s of thousands of dollars in the long run. Bringing more people into the continuum of care early will prevent more illness ahead of time. It's not rocket science, Georgie. "
Bush on health care: "It would cost us trillions of dollars and hell, no one would even get killed! At least in Iraq, we're killing folks while we're spending all that money."
7700 per family. Bush thinks your family's health is not worth 8000 bucks a year. Scarier yet, Bush hasn't figured out that the 8000 bucks a year will probably save the government and the insurance industry 10s of thousands of dollars in the long run. Bringing more people into the continuum of care early will prevent more illness ahead of time. It's not rocket science, Georgie. "
chimp in chief upthread made an excellent point. By what measure do we have the best health care system in the world? Other industrialized nations have longer life expectancies. Other nations have a lower infant mortality rate. Other nations have lower rates of cancer, diabetes and cardiovascular disease. Perhaps Miserable Failure meant to say we have the most technologically advanced system in the world. But if by the best health care system in the world we mean the healthiest citizenry, no, we do not have the best system in the world. And if we're talking about access to the system, we still don't have the best system. I wish Kerry would have talked about this, but I understand that it would be difficult to do so in two minutes without sounding negative.
chimp in chief upthread made an excellent point. By what measure do we have the best health care system in the world? Other industrialized nations have longer life expectancies. Other nations have a lower infant mortality rate. Other nations have lower rates of cancer, diabetes and cardiovascular disease. Perhaps Miserable Failure meant to say we have the most technologically advanced system in the world. But if by the best health care system in the world we mean the healthiest citizenry, no, we do not have the best system in the world. And if we're talking about access to the system, we still don't have the best system. I wish Kerry would have talked about this, but I understand that it would be difficult to do so in two minutes without sounding negative.
chimp in chief upthread made an excellent point. By what measure do we have the best health care system in the world? Other industrialized nations have longer life expectancies. Other nations have a lower infant mortality rate. Other nations have lower rates of cancer, diabetes and cardiovascular disease. Perhaps Miserable Failure meant to say we have the most technologically advanced system in the world. But if by the best health care system in the world we mean the healthiest citizenry, no, we do not have the best system in the world. And if we're talking about access to the system, we still don't have the best system. I wish Kerry would have talked about this, but I understand that it would be difficult to do so in two minutes without sounding negative.
mat, you may be right, I just think that W should be mocked mercilessly, for good reason. I am doubtful, though, how many people really had heard his comment before last night.
Good news for Ohio!:
In a victory for the Democrats, a federal judge ruled Thursday that Ohio voters who show up at the wrong polling place on Election Day can still cast ballots as long as they are in the county where they are registered.
U.S. District Judge James Carr blocked a directive from Ohio Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell, a Republican, who recently announced that poll workers must send voters to their correct precinct.
The judge said that voters who show up at the wrong polling place after moving without notifying the elections board, and those whose names cannot be found on the registration rolls, should be able to cast provisional ballots there.
Denying any voter the right to a provisional vote will erode confidence in the election and lessen the incentive to vote, the judge said.
``Lessened participation at the polls diminishes the vitality of our democracy,'' Carr said.
The decision is a victory for the Ohio Democratic Party and a coalition of labor and voter rights group, which said Blackwell's order discriminates against the poor and minorities.
mat, you may be right, I just think that W should be mocked mercilessly, for good reason. I am doubtful, though, how many people really had heard his comment before last night.
Good news for Ohio!:
In a victory for the Democrats, a federal judge ruled Thursday that Ohio voters who show up at the wrong polling place on Election Day can still cast ballots as long as they are in the county where they are registered.
U.S. District Judge James Carr blocked a directive from Ohio Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell, a Republican, who recently announced that poll workers must send voters to their correct precinct.
The judge said that voters who show up at the wrong polling place after moving without notifying the elections board, and those whose names cannot be found on the registration rolls, should be able to cast provisional ballots there.
Denying any voter the right to a provisional vote will erode confidence in the election and lessen the incentive to vote, the judge said.
``Lessened participation at the polls diminishes the vitality of our democracy,'' Carr said.
The decision is a victory for the Ohio Democratic Party and a coalition of labor and voter rights group, which said Blackwell's order discriminates against the poor and minorities.
mat, you may be right, I just think that W should be mocked mercilessly, for good reason. I am doubtful, though, how many people really had heard his comment before last night.
Good news for Ohio!:
In a victory for the Democrats, a federal judge ruled Thursday that Ohio voters who show up at the wrong polling place on Election Day can still cast ballots as long as they are in the county where they are registered.
U.S. District Judge James Carr blocked a directive from Ohio Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell, a Republican, who recently announced that poll workers must send voters to their correct precinct.
The judge said that voters who show up at the wrong polling place after moving without notifying the elections board, and those whose names cannot be found on the registration rolls, should be able to cast provisional ballots there.
Denying any voter the right to a provisional vote will erode confidence in the election and lessen the incentive to vote, the judge said.
``Lessened participation at the polls diminishes the vitality of our democracy,'' Carr said.
The decision is a victory for the Ohio Democratic Party and a coalition of labor and voter rights group, which said Blackwell's order discriminates against the poor and minorities.
Here's one of the facts about healthcare that never gets discussed by anyone.
When you buy home or car insurance, the insurance company wants to take your premium and never talk to you again. Which is generally fine -- most of us buy car & home insurance hoping we won't ever actually have to make use of it. (Granted, that's much more optimistic with regard to cars than to houses.)
Health insurance is exactly the opposite -- you buy it precisely because you know you will need to make use of it. Whether it's routine checkups or cancer surgery, you know you will have medical expenses.
But the insurance companies want to take your money and have nothing to do with you. So we have two parties entering into one transaction with two incompatible sets of expectations.
I have no solution to propose. But it seems to me a good starting point is always a thorough awareness of the dimensions of the problem.
Here's one of the facts about healthcare that never gets discussed by anyone.
When you buy home or car insurance, the insurance company wants to take your premium and never talk to you again. Which is generally fine -- most of us buy car & home insurance hoping we won't ever actually have to make use of it. (Granted, that's much more optimistic with regard to cars than to houses.)
Health insurance is exactly the opposite -- you buy it precisely because you know you will need to make use of it. Whether it's routine checkups or cancer surgery, you know you will have medical expenses.
But the insurance companies want to take your money and have nothing to do with you. So we have two parties entering into one transaction with two incompatible sets of expectations.
I have no solution to propose. But it seems to me a good starting point is always a thorough awareness of the dimensions of the problem.
Here's one of the facts about healthcare that never gets discussed by anyone.
When you buy home or car insurance, the insurance company wants to take your premium and never talk to you again. Which is generally fine -- most of us buy car & home insurance hoping we won't ever actually have to make use of it. (Granted, that's much more optimistic with regard to cars than to houses.)
Health insurance is exactly the opposite -- you buy it precisely because you know you will need to make use of it. Whether it's routine checkups or cancer surgery, you know you will have medical expenses.
But the insurance companies want to take your money and have nothing to do with you. So we have two parties entering into one transaction with two incompatible sets of expectations.
I have no solution to propose. But it seems to me a good starting point is always a thorough awareness of the dimensions of the problem.
The Kerry campaign needs to make sure every American understands that Bush is advocating that his CEO pals of healthcare organizations are getting rich off of every denial of every claim--and that they make a practice of denying any large claim. Why doesn't Kerry head off criticism of "government bureaucrats managing healthcare" with this? Bush would like to have people believe that the insurance companies and HMOs are so much more concerned about providing top-quality healthcare to all their members. Any of us who have had or have had family members have some kind of major medical treatment know the truth. Bush wants to keep healthcare from being nationalized in order to keep his fatcat friends fat.
The Kerry campaign needs to make sure every American understands that Bush is advocating that his CEO pals of healthcare organizations are getting rich off of every denial of every claim--and that they make a practice of denying any large claim. Why doesn't Kerry head off criticism of "government bureaucrats managing healthcare" with this? Bush would like to have people believe that the insurance companies and HMOs are so much more concerned about providing top-quality healthcare to all their members. Any of us who have had or have had family members have some kind of major medical treatment know the truth. Bush wants to keep healthcare from being nationalized in order to keep his fatcat friends fat.
The Kerry campaign needs to make sure every American understands that Bush is advocating that his CEO pals of healthcare organizations are getting rich off of every denial of every claim--and that they make a practice of denying any large claim. Why doesn't Kerry head off criticism of "government bureaucrats managing healthcare" with this? Bush would like to have people believe that the insurance companies and HMOs are so much more concerned about providing top-quality healthcare to all their members. Any of us who have had or have had family members have some kind of major medical treatment know the truth. Bush wants to keep healthcare from being nationalized in order to keep his fatcat friends fat.
You're in a swing state, correct? Keep working on your sister!
Vicki Stein
It's sort of up in the air right now as to whether AZ is a swing state, I hope and believe that come November 2, 2004 every state except Texas will be a swing state.
I will get my sister to vote Kerry even if I have to promise the paint her house or something. Also working on others and volunteering and phone banking, and poll watcher volunteer on election day.
Keep up the pressure people, the rethugs have lots of cracks in the armour and we need every vote.
You're in a swing state, correct? Keep working on your sister!
Vicki Stein
It's sort of up in the air right now as to whether AZ is a swing state, I hope and believe that come November 2, 2004 every state except Texas will be a swing state.
I will get my sister to vote Kerry even if I have to promise the paint her house or something. Also working on others and volunteering and phone banking, and poll watcher volunteer on election day.
Keep up the pressure people, the rethugs have lots of cracks in the armour and we need every vote.
You're in a swing state, correct? Keep working on your sister!
Vicki Stein
It's sort of up in the air right now as to whether AZ is a swing state, I hope and believe that come November 2, 2004 every state except Texas will be a swing state.
I will get my sister to vote Kerry even if I have to promise the paint her house or something. Also working on others and volunteering and phone banking, and poll watcher volunteer on election day.
Keep up the pressure people, the rethugs have lots of cracks in the armour and we need every vote.
Anonymous @ 3:24,
That was a joke right?
Anonymous @ 3:24,
That was a joke right?
Anonymous @ 3:24,
That was a joke right?
Folks, we seriously got to do something about health care. I have always worked for insurance companies who have this insurance mumbo-jumbo DOWN COLD. All companies that I have worked for have self-fund their own plans via ERISA. But, even our costs are skyrocketing with significant double digit increases annually. A friend of mine works at the hospital and has alwasy gotten free medical care at the hospital with a decent PPO for non-hospital care. As of the first of the year no more the hospital simply can't afford it anymore.
If INSURANCE COMPANIES AND HOSPITALS can't even keep their employees health care costs manageable, then WHO THE HELL ELSE is going to be able to do it in the private sector? Remember all those bankrupt HMOs in Cali?
Folks, we seriously got to do something about health care. I have always worked for insurance companies who have this insurance mumbo-jumbo DOWN COLD. All companies that I have worked for have self-fund their own plans via ERISA. But, even our costs are skyrocketing with significant double digit increases annually. A friend of mine works at the hospital and has alwasy gotten free medical care at the hospital with a decent PPO for non-hospital care. As of the first of the year no more the hospital simply can't afford it anymore.
If INSURANCE COMPANIES AND HOSPITALS can't even keep their employees health care costs manageable, then WHO THE HELL ELSE is going to be able to do it in the private sector? Remember all those bankrupt HMOs in Cali?
Folks, we seriously got to do something about health care. I have always worked for insurance companies who have this insurance mumbo-jumbo DOWN COLD. All companies that I have worked for have self-fund their own plans via ERISA. But, even our costs are skyrocketing with significant double digit increases annually. A friend of mine works at the hospital and has alwasy gotten free medical care at the hospital with a decent PPO for non-hospital care. As of the first of the year no more the hospital simply can't afford it anymore.
If INSURANCE COMPANIES AND HOSPITALS can't even keep their employees health care costs manageable, then WHO THE HELL ELSE is going to be able to do it in the private sector? Remember all those bankrupt HMOs in Cali?
It's quite the bind for the GOP, because the only way they can refute all the arguments above is to say that W. actually had no idea what he was talking about and just pulled those numbers out of his ass.
It's quite the bind for the GOP, because the only way they can refute all the arguments above is to say that W. actually had no idea what he was talking about and just pulled those numbers out of his ass.
It's quite the bind for the GOP, because the only way they can refute all the arguments above is to say that W. actually had no idea what he was talking about and just pulled those numbers out of his ass.
Well, folks. The 2 minute/90 second debate format doesn't really allow you to list all the ways Bush is fucked up. I'm sure if Kerry were allowed, say, five minutes per question, he might have actually mentioned a few more of the "I wish he said" items.
Nevertheless, people need to know that taking health care off the table fixes so many problems, we'd be nuts not to give it another go.
Want to know where we're getting the money to fix it? Well, one reason we had surplusses in the late 1990's is because more people had better jobs. Good jobs mean more tax revenue. It's very simple. Conversely, if a $65,000 a year software engineer is forced to wait tables at Chuck E. Cheese for a third of that, he's paying a lot less taxes than he used to. I guess Bush would call that middle-class tax relief. I call it Dilberting America on a massive scale.
Well, folks. The 2 minute/90 second debate format doesn't really allow you to list all the ways Bush is fucked up. I'm sure if Kerry were allowed, say, five minutes per question, he might have actually mentioned a few more of the "I wish he said" items.
Nevertheless, people need to know that taking health care off the table fixes so many problems, we'd be nuts not to give it another go.
Want to know where we're getting the money to fix it? Well, one reason we had surplusses in the late 1990's is because more people had better jobs. Good jobs mean more tax revenue. It's very simple. Conversely, if a $65,000 a year software engineer is forced to wait tables at Chuck E. Cheese for a third of that, he's paying a lot less taxes than he used to. I guess Bush would call that middle-class tax relief. I call it Dilberting America on a massive scale.
Well, folks. The 2 minute/90 second debate format doesn't really allow you to list all the ways Bush is fucked up. I'm sure if Kerry were allowed, say, five minutes per question, he might have actually mentioned a few more of the "I wish he said" items.
Nevertheless, people need to know that taking health care off the table fixes so many problems, we'd be nuts not to give it another go.
Want to know where we're getting the money to fix it? Well, one reason we had surplusses in the late 1990's is because more people had better jobs. Good jobs mean more tax revenue. It's very simple. Conversely, if a $65,000 a year software engineer is forced to wait tables at Chuck E. Cheese for a third of that, he's paying a lot less taxes than he used to. I guess Bush would call that middle-class tax relief. I call it Dilberting America on a massive scale.
---I spent fifteen wonderful months between jobs, taking advantage of COBRA. In the course of that fifteen months, I looked into Blue Shield. They had a lovely plan for less than $500 a month. Turned out that price was only good if you had never been to a doctor in your life.--
Hey, feel thankful that you were offered insurance at any price.
My COBRA expired and I reapplied for individual insurance. I had gone to a doctor recently to address my loud snoring (my partner was threatening to tape my mouth shut). The doctor said I also had mild sleep apnea and prescribed a CPAP machine (air blower thingie). It works great, no snoring.
Problem: sleep apnea is considered a no-no by insurers. I have been denied ANY coverage at ANY price here in California. No coverage because I have sleep apnea. Can only imagine how long their list of exclusions is.
Now we are likely going to have to move to another state because of this. This is how "market" healthcare works, folks.
I've traveled to many countries which have national health programs---New Zealand, Canada, Britain, Japan, France. They're not perfect. But healthcare is cheap and good quality. NZ is amazing---no waits for appts, just walk in and pay a few bucks for prescriptions. Takes a few minutes. Even as a traveler, I was able to see a doc and get a scrip for a respiratory infection. Took 15 minutes total and cost $30.
My advice: 1) don't get sick; 2) vote for Kerry.
---I spent fifteen wonderful months between jobs, taking advantage of COBRA. In the course of that fifteen months, I looked into Blue Shield. They had a lovely plan for less than $500 a month. Turned out that price was only good if you had never been to a doctor in your life.--
Hey, feel thankful that you were offered insurance at any price.
My COBRA expired and I reapplied for individual insurance. I had gone to a doctor recently to address my loud snoring (my partner was threatening to tape my mouth shut). The doctor said I also had mild sleep apnea and prescribed a CPAP machine (air blower thingie). It works great, no snoring.
Problem: sleep apnea is considered a no-no by insurers. I have been denied ANY coverage at ANY price here in California. No coverage because I have sleep apnea. Can only imagine how long their list of exclusions is.
Now we are likely going to have to move to another state because of this. This is how "market" healthcare works, folks.
I've traveled to many countries which have national health programs---New Zealand, Canada, Britain, Japan, France. They're not perfect. But healthcare is cheap and good quality. NZ is amazing---no waits for appts, just walk in and pay a few bucks for prescriptions. Takes a few minutes. Even as a traveler, I was able to see a doc and get a scrip for a respiratory infection. Took 15 minutes total and cost $30.
My advice: 1) don't get sick; 2) vote for Kerry.
---I spent fifteen wonderful months between jobs, taking advantage of COBRA. In the course of that fifteen months, I looked into Blue Shield. They had a lovely plan for less than $500 a month. Turned out that price was only good if you had never been to a doctor in your life.--
Hey, feel thankful that you were offered insurance at any price.
My COBRA expired and I reapplied for individual insurance. I had gone to a doctor recently to address my loud snoring (my partner was threatening to tape my mouth shut). The doctor said I also had mild sleep apnea and prescribed a CPAP machine (air blower thingie). It works great, no snoring.
Problem: sleep apnea is considered a no-no by insurers. I have been denied ANY coverage at ANY price here in California. No coverage because I have sleep apnea. Can only imagine how long their list of exclusions is.
Now we are likely going to have to move to another state because of this. This is how "market" healthcare works, folks.
I've traveled to many countries which have national health programs---New Zealand, Canada, Britain, Japan, France. They're not perfect. But healthcare is cheap and good quality. NZ is amazing---no waits for appts, just walk in and pay a few bucks for prescriptions. Takes a few minutes. Even as a traveler, I was able to see a doc and get a scrip for a respiratory infection. Took 15 minutes total and cost $30.
My advice: 1) don't get sick; 2) vote for Kerry.
Those CBO numbers can't be right! Why, we have the "best healthcare system in the world!" (That's trademarked, idn't it?). And everyone knows nationalized healthcare would be too damned expensive!
I demand a second opinion.
(Okay, you're ugly and your mother dresses you funny.)
Thanks. I feel better now.
Was looking at WHO numbers earlier, that indicate we pay more per capita for healthcare than almost anyone else in the world. France has a better healthcare system than the U.S., per the WHO, and it pays about $1000 less per capita, (the WHO numbers were in $U.S.), and government expenditures per capita were less.
When do we get to tell people they're being screwed blind by demagoguery?
Those CBO numbers can't be right! Why, we have the "best healthcare system in the world!" (That's trademarked, idn't it?). And everyone knows nationalized healthcare would be too damned expensive!
I demand a second opinion.
(Okay, you're ugly and your mother dresses you funny.)
Thanks. I feel better now.
Was looking at WHO numbers earlier, that indicate we pay more per capita for healthcare than almost anyone else in the world. France has a better healthcare system than the U.S., per the WHO, and it pays about $1000 less per capita, (the WHO numbers were in $U.S.), and government expenditures per capita were less.
When do we get to tell people they're being screwed blind by demagoguery?
Those CBO numbers can't be right! Why, we have the "best healthcare system in the world!" (That's trademarked, idn't it?). And everyone knows nationalized healthcare would be too damned expensive!
I demand a second opinion.
(Okay, you're ugly and your mother dresses you funny.)
Thanks. I feel better now.
Was looking at WHO numbers earlier, that indicate we pay more per capita for healthcare than almost anyone else in the world. France has a better healthcare system than the U.S., per the WHO, and it pays about $1000 less per capita, (the WHO numbers were in $U.S.), and government expenditures per capita were less.
When do we get to tell people they're being screwed blind by demagoguery?
cervantes, 2:01 and 3:17pm, you demonstrate an excellent grasp of this issue. Wonder what field you are in? Or is it just a personal interest?
btw, for anyone interested in learning more on this critical topic I recommend "Health Care Meltdown" by LeBow.
cervantes, 2:01 and 3:17pm, you demonstrate an excellent grasp of this issue. Wonder what field you are in? Or is it just a personal interest?
btw, for anyone interested in learning more on this critical topic I recommend "Health Care Meltdown" by LeBow.
cervantes, 2:01 and 3:17pm, you demonstrate an excellent grasp of this issue. Wonder what field you are in? Or is it just a personal interest?
btw, for anyone interested in learning more on this critical topic I recommend "Health Care Meltdown" by LeBow.
See, if we all have lots of cash from having tax free health savings accounts, we can just buy good health.
Anonymous
Anon, I am going to assume that is sarcasm, very wing-nutty sarcasm at a high level, if it is that was a masterful post, let me know if you were completely serious and I will retort in kind.
See, if we all have lots of cash from having tax free health savings accounts, we can just buy good health.
Anonymous
Anon, I am going to assume that is sarcasm, very wing-nutty sarcasm at a high level, if it is that was a masterful post, let me know if you were completely serious and I will retort in kind.
See, if we all have lots of cash from having tax free health savings accounts, we can just buy good health.
Anonymous
Anon, I am going to assume that is sarcasm, very wing-nutty sarcasm at a high level, if it is that was a masterful post, let me know if you were completely serious and I will retort in kind.
Anonymous @ 3:24,
That was a joke right?
David (Austin Tx) | Email | Homepage | 10.14.04 - 3:35 pm | #
Is it a joke when Bush keeps repeating those ideas?
Anonymous @ 3:24,
That was a joke right?
David (Austin Tx) | Email | Homepage | 10.14.04 - 3:35 pm | #
Is it a joke when Bush keeps repeating those ideas?
Anonymous @ 3:24,
That was a joke right?
David (Austin Tx) | Email | Homepage | 10.14.04 - 3:35 pm | #
Is it a joke when Bush keeps repeating those ideas?
I will get my sister to vote Kerry even if I have to promise the paint her house or something.
Good strategy. Back breaking work, but good strategy! And if you ever get to Michigan, I could use a little help around the house...
I will get my sister to vote Kerry even if I have to promise the paint her house or something.
Good strategy. Back breaking work, but good strategy! And if you ever get to Michigan, I could use a little help around the house...
I will get my sister to vote Kerry even if I have to promise the paint her house or something.
Good strategy. Back breaking work, but good strategy! And if you ever get to Michigan, I could use a little help around the house...
OT -- I went to the mall to buy Fahrenheit 9/11. While I was there, 2 young people, in separate incidences, saw that I had purchased the movie and wanted to know if I had seen it and what I thought about it. I told them it tells the real story about some of the things that have been going on, and they both said they really want to see it.
OT -- I went to the mall to buy Fahrenheit 9/11. While I was there, 2 young people, in separate incidences, saw that I had purchased the movie and wanted to know if I had seen it and what I thought about it. I told them it tells the real story about some of the things that have been going on, and they both said they really want to see it.
OT -- I went to the mall to buy Fahrenheit 9/11. While I was there, 2 young people, in separate incidences, saw that I had purchased the movie and wanted to know if I had seen it and what I thought about it. I told them it tells the real story about some of the things that have been going on, and they both said they really want to see it.
Atrios is just trying to prove his point in the lower post - Bush is an innumerate retarded chimp.
There will be an enormous increase in health insurance cost within the next two years if nothing is done. Probably in the area of +50 - 60% vs what is paid today in premium costs. My family of 4 will be paying ~ $16K in premiums next year (both kids on Cobras now), and my wife's employer (a wealthy private college) is considered very generous in its benefit package for the Boston area. If Bush wins and continues to do nothing there will be a shitstorm like we can't imagine over this issue. Mass marches in the least. End of the Republican reign by 2006 for sure.
Atrios is just trying to prove his point in the lower post - Bush is an innumerate retarded chimp.
There will be an enormous increase in health insurance cost within the next two years if nothing is done. Probably in the area of +50 - 60% vs what is paid today in premium costs. My family of 4 will be paying ~ $16K in premiums next year (both kids on Cobras now), and my wife's employer (a wealthy private college) is considered very generous in its benefit package for the Boston area. If Bush wins and continues to do nothing there will be a shitstorm like we can't imagine over this issue. Mass marches in the least. End of the Republican reign by 2006 for sure.
Atrios is just trying to prove his point in the lower post - Bush is an innumerate retarded chimp.
There will be an enormous increase in health insurance cost within the next two years if nothing is done. Probably in the area of +50 - 60% vs what is paid today in premium costs. My family of 4 will be paying ~ $16K in premiums next year (both kids on Cobras now), and my wife's employer (a wealthy private college) is considered very generous in its benefit package for the Boston area. If Bush wins and continues to do nothing there will be a shitstorm like we can't imagine over this issue. Mass marches in the least. End of the Republican reign by 2006 for sure.
Another thing Bush said--that nobody seems to be picking up on--is that the flu vaccine disaster was caused by people suing drug companies over bad vaccines. But apparently Bush I passed a law banning such lawsuits and taking a % out of every vaccine sale to pay for cases of side effects. (I heard this last night from a caller into Alan Colmes show, whose son had been severely harmed by a vaccine.) So, if this is true--and I have no reason to doubt it...Bush was flat-out wrong, or lying.
Anyone have info on this Bush I law?
Another thing Bush said--that nobody seems to be picking up on--is that the flu vaccine disaster was caused by people suing drug companies over bad vaccines. But apparently Bush I passed a law banning such lawsuits and taking a % out of every vaccine sale to pay for cases of side effects. (I heard this last night from a caller into Alan Colmes show, whose son had been severely harmed by a vaccine.) So, if this is true--and I have no reason to doubt it...Bush was flat-out wrong, or lying.
Anyone have info on this Bush I law?
Another thing Bush said--that nobody seems to be picking up on--is that the flu vaccine disaster was caused by people suing drug companies over bad vaccines. But apparently Bush I passed a law banning such lawsuits and taking a % out of every vaccine sale to pay for cases of side effects. (I heard this last night from a caller into Alan Colmes show, whose son had been severely harmed by a vaccine.) So, if this is true--and I have no reason to doubt it...Bush was flat-out wrong, or lying.
Anyone have info on this Bush I law?
I have no solution to propose. But it seems to me a good starting point is always a thorough awareness of the dimensions of the problem.
The "dimensions of the problem."
In Austin (TX), several years ago, the city built a new wing to its city-owned hospital. 4 stories, IIRC (or maybe three); half of the building, it was said, was devoted to clerks and clerical types, just to handle "paperwork."
Used to go to a GP when I lived there. Had his own practice; great guy; took good care of me. Don't know any GP's in practice alone anymore. They can't afford the staff it takes just to handle the insurance paperwork.
Would it be better under single-payer? Maybe not. But surely it could be simpler, and surely that would indicate less paper. Again, not for certain that would be true.
But overlapping policies with overlapping payment schedules, requirements, provisions, prohibitions, etc., etc., etc. Gotta be a nightmare for doctors. My GP now works in a clinic, and I swear they have more people handling paperwork than handling patients.
So tell me again how private insurance is the only way to provide "the best healthcare system in the world." (which, of course, it isn't. Not the worst, mind; but not "better than all the rest" either).
I have no solution to propose. But it seems to me a good starting point is always a thorough awareness of the dimensions of the problem.
The "dimensions of the problem."
In Austin (TX), several years ago, the city built a new wing to its city-owned hospital. 4 stories, IIRC (or maybe three); half of the building, it was said, was devoted to clerks and clerical types, just to handle "paperwork."
Used to go to a GP when I lived there. Had his own practice; great guy; took good care of me. Don't know any GP's in practice alone anymore. They can't afford the staff it takes just to handle the insurance paperwork.
Would it be better under single-payer? Maybe not. But surely it could be simpler, and surely that would indicate less paper. Again, not for certain that would be true.
But overlapping policies with overlapping payment schedules, requirements, provisions, prohibitions, etc., etc., etc. Gotta be a nightmare for doctors. My GP now works in a clinic, and I swear they have more people handling paperwork than handling patients.
So tell me again how private insurance is the only way to provide "the best healthcare system in the world." (which, of course, it isn't. Not the worst, mind; but not "better than all the rest" either).
I have no solution to propose. But it seems to me a good starting point is always a thorough awareness of the dimensions of the problem.
The "dimensions of the problem."
In Austin (TX), several years ago, the city built a new wing to its city-owned hospital. 4 stories, IIRC (or maybe three); half of the building, it was said, was devoted to clerks and clerical types, just to handle "paperwork."
Used to go to a GP when I lived there. Had his own practice; great guy; took good care of me. Don't know any GP's in practice alone anymore. They can't afford the staff it takes just to handle the insurance paperwork.
Would it be better under single-payer? Maybe not. But surely it could be simpler, and surely that would indicate less paper. Again, not for certain that would be true.
But overlapping policies with overlapping payment schedules, requirements, provisions, prohibitions, etc., etc., etc. Gotta be a nightmare for doctors. My GP now works in a clinic, and I swear they have more people handling paperwork than handling patients.
So tell me again how private insurance is the only way to provide "the best healthcare system in the world." (which, of course, it isn't. Not the worst, mind; but not "better than all the rest" either).
Robert M. Jeffers:
But, that's France and we hate France right?
Robert M. Jeffers:
But, that's France and we hate France right?
Robert M. Jeffers:
But, that's France and we hate France right?
"The voters will decide," Bush said as his plane flew from Phoenix to Las Vegas. "They'll decide on Nov. 2 who they want to be the president."
"The pundits and the spinners - they all have their opinions, but there's only one opinion that matters and that's the opinion of the American people on Nov. 2. I feel great about where we are."
Sounds like someone who's worried about losing, if you ask me.
"The voters will decide," Bush said as his plane flew from Phoenix to Las Vegas. "They'll decide on Nov. 2 who they want to be the president."
"The pundits and the spinners - they all have their opinions, but there's only one opinion that matters and that's the opinion of the American people on Nov. 2. I feel great about where we are."
Sounds like someone who's worried about losing, if you ask me.
"The voters will decide," Bush said as his plane flew from Phoenix to Las Vegas. "They'll decide on Nov. 2 who they want to be the president."
"The pundits and the spinners - they all have their opinions, but there's only one opinion that matters and that's the opinion of the American people on Nov. 2. I feel great about where we are."
Sounds like someone who's worried about losing, if you ask me.
AnneW,
There are so many articulate individuals who post here, but, and not to leave anyone out, both cervantes and Robert M. Jeffers typically, consistently provide excellent insight and beautifully composed posts.
AnneW,
There are so many articulate individuals who post here, but, and not to leave anyone out, both cervantes and Robert M. Jeffers typically, consistently provide excellent insight and beautifully composed posts.
AnneW,
There are so many articulate individuals who post here, but, and not to leave anyone out, both cervantes and Robert M. Jeffers typically, consistently provide excellent insight and beautifully composed posts.
I mentioned this last night, but
doesn't anybody else think it's
weird that Bush suddenly discovered
the word litany?
I mentioned this last night, but
doesn't anybody else think it's
weird that Bush suddenly discovered
the word litany?
I mentioned this last night, but
doesn't anybody else think it's
weird that Bush suddenly discovered
the word litany?
Dear Mr. President: My uncle was laid off last year. His health insurance expired shortly after he had heart surgery. He has been unable to find a job since the surgery. He is too young to qualify for Medicare. He's trying to get SS disability, but he's been told that if he does qualify, he'll have to wait two years for health coverage. Could you please call or write him and explain to him how this is the best system in the world. I know he'd appreciate hearing from you on this.
Sincerely,
Fed up, American
Dear Mr. President: My uncle was laid off last year. His health insurance expired shortly after he had heart surgery. He has been unable to find a job since the surgery. He is too young to qualify for Medicare. He's trying to get SS disability, but he's been told that if he does qualify, he'll have to wait two years for health coverage. Could you please call or write him and explain to him how this is the best system in the world. I know he'd appreciate hearing from you on this.
Sincerely,
Fed up, American
Dear Mr. President: My uncle was laid off last year. His health insurance expired shortly after he had heart surgery. He has been unable to find a job since the surgery. He is too young to qualify for Medicare. He's trying to get SS disability, but he's been told that if he does qualify, he'll have to wait two years for health coverage. Could you please call or write him and explain to him how this is the best system in the world. I know he'd appreciate hearing from you on this.
Sincerely,
Fed up, American
Anyone have info on this Bush I law?
I recall the same thing. It's also a question of technology and market forces.
The vaccine doesn't keep well, for starters. It's grown in eggs, as I understand, and keeps for only a year after it's made. Use it or lose it.
So it's expensive because you can't store it, and what isn't used, has to be discarded. Combine that with government regulation (i.e., safety concerns). England forced one company to dispose of its vaccine. No time to make more, so, no more vaccine this season.
Nothing to do with lawsuits. Everything to do with market forces, and the ability to store the vaccine.
Anyone have info on this Bush I law?
I recall the same thing. It's also a question of technology and market forces.
The vaccine doesn't keep well, for starters. It's grown in eggs, as I understand, and keeps for only a year after it's made. Use it or lose it.
So it's expensive because you can't store it, and what isn't used, has to be discarded. Combine that with government regulation (i.e., safety concerns). England forced one company to dispose of its vaccine. No time to make more, so, no more vaccine this season.
Nothing to do with lawsuits. Everything to do with market forces, and the ability to store the vaccine.
Anyone have info on this Bush I law?
I recall the same thing. It's also a question of technology and market forces.
The vaccine doesn't keep well, for starters. It's grown in eggs, as I understand, and keeps for only a year after it's made. Use it or lose it.
So it's expensive because you can't store it, and what isn't used, has to be discarded. Combine that with government regulation (i.e., safety concerns). England forced one company to dispose of its vaccine. No time to make more, so, no more vaccine this season.
Nothing to do with lawsuits. Everything to do with market forces, and the ability to store the vaccine.
The left side of your face would be drooping too if you'd been smoking some Rumsfeld the night before the debate.
The left side of your face would be drooping too if you'd been smoking some Rumsfeld the night before the debate.
The left side of your face would be drooping too if you'd been smoking some Rumsfeld the night before the debate.
--- it's
weird that Bush suddenly discovered
the word litany?---
Maybe he has one of those word-a-day calendars that also use the word in a sentence:
Took a trip to Litany last year and really love the pasta!
--- it's
weird that Bush suddenly discovered
the word litany?---
Maybe he has one of those word-a-day calendars that also use the word in a sentence:
Took a trip to Litany last year and really love the pasta!
--- it's
weird that Bush suddenly discovered
the word litany?---
Maybe he has one of those word-a-day calendars that also use the word in a sentence:
Took a trip to Litany last year and really love the pasta!
Sounds like someone who's worried about losing, if you ask me.
Yep. That's the second time I've heard this kind of talk coming from him. The first was in the meeting with the small group of Timken workers.
The second time I've heard...
Sounds like someone who's worried about losing, if you ask me.
Yep. That's the second time I've heard this kind of talk coming from him. The first was in the meeting with the small group of Timken workers.
The second time I've heard...
Sounds like someone who's worried about losing, if you ask me.
Yep. That's the second time I've heard this kind of talk coming from him. The first was in the meeting with the small group of Timken workers.
The second time I've heard...
and that they make a practice of denying any large claim
They make a practice of denying any claim they think they can get away with denying.
I remember one time about 5 years or so ago, I had a bad asthma attack and had to go to the local emergency room.
The emergency room physician was being relatively thorough and gave me a chest x-ray (very appropriate, because the only time my asthma even gets bad enough to the point of having to use an inhaler is when I have bronchitis). The HMO covering me denied the chest x-ray claim (which was all of 30 bucks or so).
I wrote a nice letter to the HMO pointing out how sudden deaths from pneumonia were in the news, and if they deny claims for chest x-rays maybe physicians would be less likely to give chest x-rays and someone would die from pneumonia and they would get sued and, because of the publicity surrounding pneumonia, they would get fleeced by any jury.
The HMO paid the bill.
BTW - this is part of the reason why I am a wee bit leary of talk of tort reform:
(1) remember a while back how there were all these scandals about physicians receiving kickbacks for ordering extra medical tests ... what happened? now you cannot get a medical test if your life depends on it ... so what will happen with real malpractice cases given all this talk of tort reform
(2) without the stick of a lawsuit, what's to stop medical insurance from devolving totally into a racket wherein they cover nothing?
As my recovering Republican father would say: "if the people/companies don't want to have government regulations/get sued, they can take responsibility for their actions and behave better - and they should remember, that one bad apple spoils the barrel".
BTW - what happened to my dad's style of conservativism: the cliches, the emphasis on personal responsibility, etc.?
and that they make a practice of denying any large claim
They make a practice of denying any claim they think they can get away with denying.
I remember one time about 5 years or so ago, I had a bad asthma attack and had to go to the local emergency room.
The emergency room physician was being relatively thorough and gave me a chest x-ray (very appropriate, because the only time my asthma even gets bad enough to the point of having to use an inhaler is when I have bronchitis). The HMO covering me denied the chest x-ray claim (which was all of 30 bucks or so).
I wrote a nice letter to the HMO pointing out how sudden deaths from pneumonia were in the news, and if they deny claims for chest x-rays maybe physicians would be less likely to give chest x-rays and someone would die from pneumonia and they would get sued and, because of the publicity surrounding pneumonia, they would get fleeced by any jury.
The HMO paid the bill.
BTW - this is part of the reason why I am a wee bit leary of talk of tort reform:
(1) remember a while back how there were all these scandals about physicians receiving kickbacks for ordering extra medical tests ... what happened? now you cannot get a medical test if your life depends on it ... so what will happen with real malpractice cases given all this talk of tort reform
(2) without the stick of a lawsuit, what's to stop medical insurance from devolving totally into a racket wherein they cover nothing?
As my recovering Republican father would say: "if the people/companies don't want to have government regulations/get sued, they can take responsibility for their actions and behave better - and they should remember, that one bad apple spoils the barrel".
BTW - what happened to my dad's style of conservativism: the cliches, the emphasis on personal responsibility, etc.?
and that they make a practice of denying any large claim
They make a practice of denying any claim they think they can get away with denying.
I remember one time about 5 years or so ago, I had a bad asthma attack and had to go to the local emergency room.
The emergency room physician was being relatively thorough and gave me a chest x-ray (very appropriate, because the only time my asthma even gets bad enough to the point of having to use an inhaler is when I have bronchitis). The HMO covering me denied the chest x-ray claim (which was all of 30 bucks or so).
I wrote a nice letter to the HMO pointing out how sudden deaths from pneumonia were in the news, and if they deny claims for chest x-rays maybe physicians would be less likely to give chest x-rays and someone would die from pneumonia and they would get sued and, because of the publicity surrounding pneumonia, they would get fleeced by any jury.
The HMO paid the bill.
BTW - this is part of the reason why I am a wee bit leary of talk of tort reform:
(1) remember a while back how there were all these scandals about physicians receiving kickbacks for ordering extra medical tests ... what happened? now you cannot get a medical test if your life depends on it ... so what will happen with real malpractice cases given all this talk of tort reform
(2) without the stick of a lawsuit, what's to stop medical insurance from devolving totally into a racket wherein they cover nothing?
As my recovering Republican father would say: "if the people/companies don't want to have government regulations/get sued, they can take responsibility for their actions and behave better - and they should remember, that one bad apple spoils the barrel".
BTW - what happened to my dad's style of conservativism: the cliches, the emphasis on personal responsibility, etc.?
Robert M. Jeffers:
But, that's France and we hate France right?
Well, yeah, forgot about that.
There are so many articulate individuals who post here, but, and not to leave anyone out, both cervantes and Robert M. Jeffers typically, consistently provide excellent insight and beautifully composed posts.
Vicki--
And here I was about to say your opening post sounded dangerously like Communism.
Well, I'll let you get away with it this time.....
Robert M. Jeffers:
But, that's France and we hate France right?
Well, yeah, forgot about that.
There are so many articulate individuals who post here, but, and not to leave anyone out, both cervantes and Robert M. Jeffers typically, consistently provide excellent insight and beautifully composed posts.
Vicki--
And here I was about to say your opening post sounded dangerously like Communism.
Well, I'll let you get away with it this time.....
Robert M. Jeffers:
But, that's France and we hate France right?
Well, yeah, forgot about that.
There are so many articulate individuals who post here, but, and not to leave anyone out, both cervantes and Robert M. Jeffers typically, consistently provide excellent insight and beautifully composed posts.
Vicki--
And here I was about to say your opening post sounded dangerously like Communism.
Well, I'll let you get away with it this time.....
So tell me again how private insurance is the only way to provide "the best healthcare system in the world."
I beg your pardon. Our healthcare system is the envy of the world. Our Preznit told us so last night.
When I tell furriners about how I had to fight for six months to get my insurance company to pay for my son's birth because one of their monkeys misspelled his name and it made their computers cry, all them furriners say "God, I'm so jealous."
Or, rather, "Mon Dieu! I ees zo jealouz!"
So tell me again how private insurance is the only way to provide "the best healthcare system in the world."
I beg your pardon. Our healthcare system is the envy of the world. Our Preznit told us so last night.
When I tell furriners about how I had to fight for six months to get my insurance company to pay for my son's birth because one of their monkeys misspelled his name and it made their computers cry, all them furriners say "God, I'm so jealous."
Or, rather, "Mon Dieu! I ees zo jealouz!"
So tell me again how private insurance is the only way to provide "the best healthcare system in the world."
I beg your pardon. Our healthcare system is the envy of the world. Our Preznit told us so last night.
When I tell furriners about how I had to fight for six months to get my insurance company to pay for my son's birth because one of their monkeys misspelled his name and it made their computers cry, all them furriners say "God, I'm so jealous."
Or, rather, "Mon Dieu! I ees zo jealouz!"
Thersites--
Yeah, hordes of French persons are gathered in Louisian even as I type, anxious to be allowed access to our healthcare system.
Thersites--
Yeah, hordes of French persons are gathered in Louisian even as I type, anxious to be allowed access to our healthcare system.
Thersites--
Yeah, hordes of French persons are gathered in Louisian even as I type, anxious to be allowed access to our healthcare system.
Robert M. Jeffers,
There is another reason why the vaccine cannot be made too far ahead of time ... the particular serotypes of flu which are prevelent vary from year to year.
So every year they have to give you a different vaccine (which is part of the reason you have to be vaccinated every year anyway) ...
BTW - there is indeed a risk that even at the time when they make the vaccine they will "guess" wrong and the vaccine won't be all too useful. They understand the epidemiology of regularly occuring flu (though not necessarily pandemic flu) well enough to get the vaccine right in general, though.
Robert M. Jeffers,
There is another reason why the vaccine cannot be made too far ahead of time ... the particular serotypes of flu which are prevelent vary from year to year.
So every year they have to give you a different vaccine (which is part of the reason you have to be vaccinated every year anyway) ...
BTW - there is indeed a risk that even at the time when they make the vaccine they will "guess" wrong and the vaccine won't be all too useful. They understand the epidemiology of regularly occuring flu (though not necessarily pandemic flu) well enough to get the vaccine right in general, though.
Robert M. Jeffers,
There is another reason why the vaccine cannot be made too far ahead of time ... the particular serotypes of flu which are prevelent vary from year to year.
So every year they have to give you a different vaccine (which is part of the reason you have to be vaccinated every year anyway) ...
BTW - there is indeed a risk that even at the time when they make the vaccine they will "guess" wrong and the vaccine won't be all too useful. They understand the epidemiology of regularly occuring flu (though not necessarily pandemic flu) well enough to get the vaccine right in general, though.
Dear Mr. President: My uncle was laid off last year. His health insurance expired shortly after he had heart surgery. He has been unable to find a job since the surgery. He is too young to qualify for Medicare. He's trying to get SS disability, but he's been told that if he does qualify, he'll have to wait two years for health coverage. Could you please call or write him and explain to him how this is the best system in the world. I know he'd appreciate hearing from you on this.
Under my plan, we'll give him a tax break for community college.
If you think about it, No Child Left Behind is really a health plan for seniors. It's a floor wax, and a dessert topping.
Now watch this drive.
Dear Mr. President: My uncle was laid off last year. His health insurance expired shortly after he had heart surgery. He has been unable to find a job since the surgery. He is too young to qualify for Medicare. He's trying to get SS disability, but he's been told that if he does qualify, he'll have to wait two years for health coverage. Could you please call or write him and explain to him how this is the best system in the world. I know he'd appreciate hearing from you on this.
Under my plan, we'll give him a tax break for community college.
If you think about it, No Child Left Behind is really a health plan for seniors. It's a floor wax, and a dessert topping.
Now watch this drive.
Dear Mr. President: My uncle was laid off last year. His health insurance expired shortly after he had heart surgery. He has been unable to find a job since the surgery. He is too young to qualify for Medicare. He's trying to get SS disability, but he's been told that if he does qualify, he'll have to wait two years for health coverage. Could you please call or write him and explain to him how this is the best system in the world. I know he'd appreciate hearing from you on this.
Under my plan, we'll give him a tax break for community college.
If you think about it, No Child Left Behind is really a health plan for seniors. It's a floor wax, and a dessert topping.
Now watch this drive.
Saddam Hussein is getting better health care than millions of Americans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's Bush's plan, Iraqi dictators before US children.
Saddam Hussein is getting better health care than millions of Americans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's Bush's plan, Iraqi dictators before US children.
Saddam Hussein is getting better health care than millions of Americans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's Bush's plan, Iraqi dictators before US children.
Thanks, DAS. Didn't know that.
Now I see it's much easier to just blame it on lawyers. Even though the shortage was caused by the actions of the British government. Something that was on the headlines of every news channel in the country the day it happened.
Is he really that stupid? Or does he just think we are?
Thanks, DAS. Didn't know that.
Now I see it's much easier to just blame it on lawyers. Even though the shortage was caused by the actions of the British government. Something that was on the headlines of every news channel in the country the day it happened.
Is he really that stupid? Or does he just think we are?
Thanks, DAS. Didn't know that.
Now I see it's much easier to just blame it on lawyers. Even though the shortage was caused by the actions of the British government. Something that was on the headlines of every news channel in the country the day it happened.
Is he really that stupid? Or does he just think we are?
Who broke the damn haloscan?
Who broke the damn haloscan?
Who broke the damn haloscan?
===If you think about it, No Child Left Behind is really a health plan for seniors. It's a floor wax, and a dessert topping.
Now watch this drive.
Preznit Bush | Email | Homepage | 10.14.04 - 3:52 pm | # ===
OMG, that was good!
===If you think about it, No Child Left Behind is really a health plan for seniors. It's a floor wax, and a dessert topping.
Now watch this drive.
Preznit Bush | Email | Homepage | 10.14.04 - 3:52 pm | # ===
OMG, that was good!
===If you think about it, No Child Left Behind is really a health plan for seniors. It's a floor wax, and a dessert topping.
Now watch this drive.
Preznit Bush | Email | Homepage | 10.14.04 - 3:52 pm | # ===
OMG, that was good!
The thought of universal health care terrifies me. Imagine if everybody could go to see a doctor when they needed to. How then would we be able to separate ourselves from the poor and unfortunate? What's next? The right to a roof over their head, clothing on their back, and food in their stomach? Mandatory jobs at a decent wage? Univeral property ownership? It's just one step away from communism!
The thought of universal health care terrifies me. Imagine if everybody could go to see a doctor when they needed to. How then would we be able to separate ourselves from the poor and unfortunate? What's next? The right to a roof over their head, clothing on their back, and food in their stomach? Mandatory jobs at a decent wage? Univeral property ownership? It's just one step away from communism!
The thought of universal health care terrifies me. Imagine if everybody could go to see a doctor when they needed to. How then would we be able to separate ourselves from the poor and unfortunate? What's next? The right to a roof over their head, clothing on their back, and food in their stomach? Mandatory jobs at a decent wage? Univeral property ownership? It's just one step away from communism!
I am a small business owner and I too thought -- wow, that's cheap! I pay $21,600 a year for each of our 4 employees health insurance. Admittedly, we have pretty good health insurance because we made the decision that it was important to us. We have a small enough group to actually decide whether we want the cash or a good health care plan. Since we all have families, we chose the good health care plan. For a business our size, the poor health care plans with high deductibles still cost about 12k a year.
I am a small business owner and I too thought -- wow, that's cheap! I pay $21,600 a year for each of our 4 employees health insurance. Admittedly, we have pretty good health insurance because we made the decision that it was important to us. We have a small enough group to actually decide whether we want the cash or a good health care plan. Since we all have families, we chose the good health care plan. For a business our size, the poor health care plans with high deductibles still cost about 12k a year.
I am a small business owner and I too thought -- wow, that's cheap! I pay $21,600 a year for each of our 4 employees health insurance. Admittedly, we have pretty good health insurance because we made the decision that it was important to us. We have a small enough group to actually decide whether we want the cash or a good health care plan. Since we all have families, we chose the good health care plan. For a business our size, the poor health care plans with high deductibles still cost about 12k a year.
I am a small business owner and I too thought -- wow, that's cheap! I pay $21,600 a year for each of our 4 employees health insurance. Admittedly, we have pretty good health insurance because we made the decision that it was important to us. We have a small enough group to actually decide whether we want the cash or a good health care plan. Since we all have families, we chose the good health care plan. For a business our size, the poor health care plans with high deductibles still cost about 12k a year.
I am a small business owner and I too thought -- wow, that's cheap! I pay $21,600 a year for each of our 4 employees health insurance. Admittedly, we have pretty good health insurance because we made the decision that it was important to us. We have a small enough group to actually decide whether we want the cash or a good health care plan. Since we all have families, we chose the good health care plan. For a business our size, the poor health care plans with high deductibles still cost about 12k a year.
I am a small business owner and I too thought -- wow, that's cheap! I pay $21,600 a year for each of our 4 employees health insurance. Admittedly, we have pretty good health insurance because we made the decision that it was important to us. We have a small enough group to actually decide whether we want the cash or a good health care plan. Since we all have families, we chose the good health care plan. For a business our size, the poor health care plans with high deductibles still cost about 12k a year.
Saddam Hussein gets free health care while millions of Americans go without!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.cnn.com//2004/WORLD/m...ddam/
index.html
That's Bush's plan, Iraqi dictators before US children.
Would this make a great Democrat ad or what?
Saddam Hussein gets free health care while millions of Americans go without!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.cnn.com//2004/WORLD/m...ddam/
index.html
That's Bush's plan, Iraqi dictators before US children.
Would this make a great Democrat ad or what?
Saddam Hussein gets free health care while millions of Americans go without!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.cnn.com//2004/WORLD/m...ddam/
index.html
That's Bush's plan, Iraqi dictators before US children.
Would this make a great Democrat ad or what?
Robert M. Jeffers ~
That opening post was to put the hurt on Miserable Failure's continual "fristing" of the threads!
But with all sincerity, your writing inspires. I want what you're drinking!
Robert M. Jeffers ~
That opening post was to put the hurt on Miserable Failure's continual "fristing" of the threads!
But with all sincerity, your writing inspires. I want what you're drinking!
Robert M. Jeffers ~
That opening post was to put the hurt on Miserable Failure's continual "fristing" of the threads!
But with all sincerity, your writing inspires. I want what you're drinking!
"The problem is that the U.S. political culture is allergic to big 'government' programs." --cervantes (upthread)
This 'political culture' is the corporate pigsty we are working to change. I saw a poll today that something like 55% of people polled said they ARE WILLING TO PAY *HIGHER TAXES* so that everyone gets medical care--and THAT'S in a "culture" dominated by Bush Inc. That is amazing!
If the "culture" doesn't reflect the will of the people, then something's wrong with the "culture" and it needs to be changed. So Thomas Jefferson said (in so many words).
And that's what's happening now, don't you think? People are fed up. They don't believe corporate (read Bush Inc.) lies any more, and they're sick and tired of the unholy alliance of multinational corporations and Christian fascists whose idea of Christian behavior is to step over the homeless person on the sidewalk, on their way to Bible class, and give him a kick to the head as they do so.
Medicine used to be A WORK OF MERCY!
"The problem is that the U.S. political culture is allergic to big 'government' programs." --cervantes (upthread)
This 'political culture' is the corporate pigsty we are working to change. I saw a poll today that something like 55% of people polled said they ARE WILLING TO PAY *HIGHER TAXES* so that everyone gets medical care--and THAT'S in a "culture" dominated by Bush Inc. That is amazing!
If the "culture" doesn't reflect the will of the people, then something's wrong with the "culture" and it needs to be changed. So Thomas Jefferson said (in so many words).
And that's what's happening now, don't you think? People are fed up. They don't believe corporate (read Bush Inc.) lies any more, and they're sick and tired of the unholy alliance of multinational corporations and Christian fascists whose idea of Christian behavior is to step over the homeless person on the sidewalk, on their way to Bible class, and give him a kick to the head as they do so.
Medicine used to be A WORK OF MERCY!
"The problem is that the U.S. political culture is allergic to big 'government' programs." --cervantes (upthread)
This 'political culture' is the corporate pigsty we are working to change. I saw a poll today that something like 55% of people polled said they ARE WILLING TO PAY *HIGHER TAXES* so that everyone gets medical care--and THAT'S in a "culture" dominated by Bush Inc. That is amazing!
If the "culture" doesn't reflect the will of the people, then something's wrong with the "culture" and it needs to be changed. So Thomas Jefferson said (in so many words).
And that's what's happening now, don't you think? People are fed up. They don't believe corporate (read Bush Inc.) lies any more, and they're sick and tired of the unholy alliance of multinational corporations and Christian fascists whose idea of Christian behavior is to step over the homeless person on the sidewalk, on their way to Bible class, and give him a kick to the head as they do so.
Medicine used to be A WORK OF MERCY!
... so what will happen with real malpractice cases given all this talk of tort reform?
If Bush gets his way, even the most catastrophic medical malpractice, resulting in death or paralysis or coma you would be allowed to recover non-economic damages of $250,000.00 no more.
Mis-diagnosis of Cancer is a good example, Country doctor sees a patient and tells her that the lump under her arm is "cat scratch" fever and not to worry about it. 8 months later another doctor says, "what the hell is that lump" oh it's cancer that has been metastisizing for 8 months without treatment. The woman no has breast cancer that has gone untreated, has moved into the lymph nodes and she develops ovarian cancer, eventually has brain cancer and dies after two years of excruciating pain and sickness. The most her family can recover is $250,000.00.
The above is an actual case from rural Missouri that happened to a 28 year old woman who never saw her 30th birthday and left a husband and three little kids behind.
... so what will happen with real malpractice cases given all this talk of tort reform?
If Bush gets his way, even the most catastrophic medical malpractice, resulting in death or paralysis or coma you would be allowed to recover non-economic damages of $250,000.00 no more.
Mis-diagnosis of Cancer is a good example, Country doctor sees a patient and tells her that the lump under her arm is "cat scratch" fever and not to worry about it. 8 months later another doctor says, "what the hell is that lump" oh it's cancer that has been metastisizing for 8 months without treatment. The woman no has breast cancer that has gone untreated, has moved into the lymph nodes and she develops ovarian cancer, eventually has brain cancer and dies after two years of excruciating pain and sickness. The most her family can recover is $250,000.00.
The above is an actual case from rural Missouri that happened to a 28 year old woman who never saw her 30th birthday and left a husband and three little kids behind.
... so what will happen with real malpractice cases given all this talk of tort reform?
If Bush gets his way, even the most catastrophic medical malpractice, resulting in death or paralysis or coma you would be allowed to recover non-economic damages of $250,000.00 no more.
Mis-diagnosis of Cancer is a good example, Country doctor sees a patient and tells her that the lump under her arm is "cat scratch" fever and not to worry about it. 8 months later another doctor says, "what the hell is that lump" oh it's cancer that has been metastisizing for 8 months without treatment. The woman no has breast cancer that has gone untreated, has moved into the lymph nodes and she develops ovarian cancer, eventually has brain cancer and dies after two years of excruciating pain and sickness. The most her family can recover is $250,000.00.
The above is an actual case from rural Missouri that happened to a 28 year old woman who never saw her 30th birthday and left a husband and three little kids behind.
If you think about it, No Child Left Behind is really a health plan for seniors. It's a floor wax, and a dessert topping.
Now watch this drive.
Preznit Bush | Email | Homepage | 10.14.04 - 3:52 pm |
You got the quote partially wrong.
If you saw the right side of Bush's puss last night, you know it goes:
Now, watch this dribble.
OR
Now, listen to this drivel.
If you think about it, No Child Left Behind is really a health plan for seniors. It's a floor wax, and a dessert topping.
Now watch this drive.
Preznit Bush | Email | Homepage | 10.14.04 - 3:52 pm |
You got the quote partially wrong.
If you saw the right side of Bush's puss last night, you know it goes:
Now, watch this dribble.
OR
Now, listen to this drivel.
If you think about it, No Child Left Behind is really a health plan for seniors. It's a floor wax, and a dessert topping.
Now watch this drive.
Preznit Bush | Email | Homepage | 10.14.04 - 3:52 pm |
You got the quote partially wrong.
If you saw the right side of Bush's puss last night, you know it goes:
Now, watch this dribble.
OR
Now, listen to this drivel.
Angry retarded chimp!
Looks like it's bedtime for Bonzo!
MYOB'
.
Angry retarded chimp!
Looks like it's bedtime for Bonzo!
MYOB'
.
Angry retarded chimp!
Looks like it's bedtime for Bonzo!
MYOB'
.
Dammit, the above was mine.
Dammit, the above was mine.
Dammit, the above was mine.
there is indeed a risk that even at the time when they make the vaccine they will "guess" wrong and the vaccine won't be all too useful
Didn't that happen last year? They choose four(?) different types and were wrong about two(?).
there is indeed a risk that even at the time when they make the vaccine they will "guess" wrong and the vaccine won't be all too useful
Didn't that happen last year? They choose four(?) different types and were wrong about two(?).
there is indeed a risk that even at the time when they make the vaccine they will "guess" wrong and the vaccine won't be all too useful
Didn't that happen last year? They choose four(?) different types and were wrong about two(?).
Robert M. Jeffers ~
That opening post was to put the hurt on Miserable Failure's continual "fristing" of the threads!
Yes, and thank you for that, too.
Somehow I'm never quick enough....
But with all sincerity, your writing inspires. I want what you're drinking!
Coffee. Gallons and gallons of the stuff. My capacity for caffeine frightens even me.....
Robert M. Jeffers ~
That opening post was to put the hurt on Miserable Failure's continual "fristing" of the threads!
Yes, and thank you for that, too.
Somehow I'm never quick enough....
But with all sincerity, your writing inspires. I want what you're drinking!
Coffee. Gallons and gallons of the stuff. My capacity for caffeine frightens even me.....
Robert M. Jeffers ~
That opening post was to put the hurt on Miserable Failure's continual "fristing" of the threads!
Yes, and thank you for that, too.
Somehow I'm never quick enough....
But with all sincerity, your writing inspires. I want what you're drinking!
Coffee. Gallons and gallons of the stuff. My capacity for caffeine frightens even me.....
Medicine used to be A WORK OF MERCY!
And then, to put it in its simplest terms, it actually started working (antibiotics were discovered), and a third party started paying for it (insurance). (The latter being the real source of the problem, IMHO. Doctors never expected to be rich until insurance started picking up the tab. Watch the old "Dr. Kildare" movie. The interns at one point talk of marrying well, because they sure won't earn big $$ as Doctors.)
It's an historical accident that business provided health insurance to employees. It was a way of wooing labor in a tight market after WWII, if I understand correctly.
Now, of course, it is a "right." Conveniently, that's where we're supposed to get our health insurance. And we can't change it because it would put a lot of health insurers out of business.
As Deep Throat said: "Follow the money."
Medicine used to be A WORK OF MERCY!
And then, to put it in its simplest terms, it actually started working (antibiotics were discovered), and a third party started paying for it (insurance). (The latter being the real source of the problem, IMHO. Doctors never expected to be rich until insurance started picking up the tab. Watch the old "Dr. Kildare" movie. The interns at one point talk of marrying well, because they sure won't earn big $$ as Doctors.)
It's an historical accident that business provided health insurance to employees. It was a way of wooing labor in a tight market after WWII, if I understand correctly.
Now, of course, it is a "right." Conveniently, that's where we're supposed to get our health insurance. And we can't change it because it would put a lot of health insurers out of business.
As Deep Throat said: "Follow the money."
Medicine used to be A WORK OF MERCY!
And then, to put it in its simplest terms, it actually started working (antibiotics were discovered), and a third party started paying for it (insurance). (The latter being the real source of the problem, IMHO. Doctors never expected to be rich until insurance started picking up the tab. Watch the old "Dr. Kildare" movie. The interns at one point talk of marrying well, because they sure won't earn big $$ as Doctors.)
It's an historical accident that business provided health insurance to employees. It was a way of wooing labor in a tight market after WWII, if I understand correctly.
Now, of course, it is a "right." Conveniently, that's where we're supposed to get our health insurance. And we can't change it because it would put a lot of health insurers out of business.
As Deep Throat said: "Follow the money."
Brooklyn Girl,
Those kids you are subsidizing now are going to be the ones subsidizing you in your old age, so buck up.
Brooklyn Girl,
Those kids you are subsidizing now are going to be the ones subsidizing you in your old age, so buck up.
Brooklyn Girl,
Those kids you are subsidizing now are going to be the ones subsidizing you in your old age, so buck up.
Bush's arguments about malpractise suits were all wrong. Malpractise costs indeed are only about one percentage of total health care costs. When Bush said that this fails to take into account defensive medicine he was wrong. A recent study showed that physicians don't practise defensive medicine because of fear of being sued. This is because almost all suits are about physicians doing something they shouldn't have done (doing too much, in a way), not about physicians not doing enough. SO more medical stuff would just make things worse for the physicians.
He also spoke about the fear of rationing under a single-payer system. Well, guess what? We already have rationing. Insurance companies refuse you payment or HMOs refuse you access to specialists. And lack of insurance keeps others away from care. So there's no difference here.
Bush's arguments about malpractise suits were all wrong. Malpractise costs indeed are only about one percentage of total health care costs. When Bush said that this fails to take into account defensive medicine he was wrong. A recent study showed that physicians don't practise defensive medicine because of fear of being sued. This is because almost all suits are about physicians doing something they shouldn't have done (doing too much, in a way), not about physicians not doing enough. SO more medical stuff would just make things worse for the physicians.
He also spoke about the fear of rationing under a single-payer system. Well, guess what? We already have rationing. Insurance companies refuse you payment or HMOs refuse you access to specialists. And lack of insurance keeps others away from care. So there's no difference here.
Bush's arguments about malpractise suits were all wrong. Malpractise costs indeed are only about one percentage of total health care costs. When Bush said that this fails to take into account defensive medicine he was wrong. A recent study showed that physicians don't practise defensive medicine because of fear of being sued. This is because almost all suits are about physicians doing something they shouldn't have done (doing too much, in a way), not about physicians not doing enough. SO more medical stuff would just make things worse for the physicians.
He also spoke about the fear of rationing under a single-payer system. Well, guess what? We already have rationing. Insurance companies refuse you payment or HMOs refuse you access to specialists. And lack of insurance keeps others away from care. So there's no difference here.
We already have rationing. Insurance companies refuse you payment or HMOs refuse you access to specialists. And lack of insurance keeps others away from care.
You can understand why an answer like that'd make me scowl.
If you get refused access to a specialist, you can just get a tax break to go to community college! It's simple! The difference between me an' my opponent on this couldn't be more clear.
We already have rationing. Insurance companies refuse you payment or HMOs refuse you access to specialists. And lack of insurance keeps others away from care.
You can understand why an answer like that'd make me scowl.
If you get refused access to a specialist, you can just get a tax break to go to community college! It's simple! The difference between me an' my opponent on this couldn't be more clear.
We already have rationing. Insurance companies refuse you payment or HMOs refuse you access to specialists. And lack of insurance keeps others away from care.
You can understand why an answer like that'd make me scowl.
If you get refused access to a specialist, you can just get a tax break to go to community college! It's simple! The difference between me an' my opponent on this couldn't be more clear.
good call,
we can take bush's logic to his own proposals too...
Iraq War (300 billion) = 1000$ per person in america so like 4000$ per family.
Worth it?
Mission to mars = 1 TRILLION $ (lets be conservative and say it only costs 900 billion....
3000$ per person = 12000$ per family
HEALTH CARE FOR ALL vs STUPID WAR vs. 1969 flashback
YOU BE THE JUDGE!!!
good call,
we can take bush's logic to his own proposals too...
Iraq War (300 billion) = 1000$ per person in america so like 4000$ per family.
Worth it?
Mission to mars = 1 TRILLION $ (lets be conservative and say it only costs 900 billion....
3000$ per person = 12000$ per family
HEALTH CARE FOR ALL vs STUPID WAR vs. 1969 flashback
YOU BE THE JUDGE!!!
good call,
we can take bush's logic to his own proposals too...
Iraq War (300 billion) = 1000$ per person in america so like 4000$ per family.
Worth it?
Mission to mars = 1 TRILLION $ (lets be conservative and say it only costs 900 billion....
3000$ per person = 12000$ per family
HEALTH CARE FOR ALL vs STUPID WAR vs. 1969 flashback
YOU BE THE JUDGE!!!
1969 Flashback:
Sex and Drugs and Rock-N-Roll. Free love with out consequences. . .yeah baby.
1969 Flashback:
Sex and Drugs and Rock-N-Roll. Free love with out consequences. . .yeah baby.
1969 Flashback:
Sex and Drugs and Rock-N-Roll. Free love with out consequences. . .yeah baby.
$7,700 per family is a hell of a lot less than $5,450 per person.
My thinking exactly. When Bush said $7,700 last night, my first reaction was "Great! That'll cut our insurance bill in half!"
$7,700 per family is a hell of a lot less than $5,450 per person.
My thinking exactly. When Bush said $7,700 last night, my first reaction was "Great! That'll cut our insurance bill in half!"
$7,700 per family is a hell of a lot less than $5,450 per person.
My thinking exactly. When Bush said $7,700 last night, my first reaction was "Great! That'll cut our insurance bill in half!"
Yeah, krsaz, those were the days. Of course, I was still a child then, so my free love didn't come until later, but the music that year was outstanding.
Yeah, krsaz, those were the days. Of course, I was still a child then, so my free love didn't come until later, but the music that year was outstanding.
Yeah, krsaz, those were the days. Of course, I was still a child then, so my free love didn't come until later, but the music that year was outstanding.
If you get refused access to a specialist, you can just get a tax break to go to community college! It's simple! The difference between me an' my opponent on this couldn't be more clear.
Preznit Bush
Don't you mean a PELL GRANT to go to community college?!?
If you get refused access to a specialist, you can just get a tax break to go to community college! It's simple! The difference between me an' my opponent on this couldn't be more clear.
Preznit Bush
Don't you mean a PELL GRANT to go to community college?!?
If you get refused access to a specialist, you can just get a tax break to go to community college! It's simple! The difference between me an' my opponent on this couldn't be more clear.
Preznit Bush
Don't you mean a PELL GRANT to go to community college?!?
"We already have rationing."
You know what gets me? When you watch the advertising of the various insurers and HMOs, they acknowledge this unambigously. How many ads have you seen with a variation on "And we let you choose your own doctor"?
These same companies fight tooth and nail against any attempts to reform this situation.
"We already have rationing."
You know what gets me? When you watch the advertising of the various insurers and HMOs, they acknowledge this unambigously. How many ads have you seen with a variation on "And we let you choose your own doctor"?
These same companies fight tooth and nail against any attempts to reform this situation.
"We already have rationing."
You know what gets me? When you watch the advertising of the various insurers and HMOs, they acknowledge this unambigously. How many ads have you seen with a variation on "And we let you choose your own doctor"?
These same companies fight tooth and nail against any attempts to reform this situation.
Kerry blew it on the flu vaccine question, no doubt. I saw where some posters were mocking the question, but as both a health writer and someone in one of the high priority groups, it ain't funny to have this happen.
And for Bush to start talking about market forces as a solution to our health care problems...STUPID FUCK, that is the REASON for our health care problems.
Lawsuits have nothing to do with the lack of flu vaccine. It's all market forces. Not enough companies make the vaccine because they can't make a big profit. So it's limited to just a few companies in order to give them the most money.
Lawsuits has zero to do with this. And people started warning about how putting too much money into the boogeyman of bioterror was taking money out of basic public health.
Ergo ipso stupido, we have a crisis with the flu vaccine.
Bush set it all up for Kerry. And Kerry blew that answer.
It was a good question. Neither one of 'em answered it.
Kerry blew it on the flu vaccine question, no doubt. I saw where some posters were mocking the question, but as both a health writer and someone in one of the high priority groups, it ain't funny to have this happen.
And for Bush to start talking about market forces as a solution to our health care problems...STUPID FUCK, that is the REASON for our health care problems.
Lawsuits have nothing to do with the lack of flu vaccine. It's all market forces. Not enough companies make the vaccine because they can't make a big profit. So it's limited to just a few companies in order to give them the most money.
Lawsuits has zero to do with this. And people started warning about how putting too much money into the boogeyman of bioterror was taking money out of basic public health.
Ergo ipso stupido, we have a crisis with the flu vaccine.
Bush set it all up for Kerry. And Kerry blew that answer.
It was a good question. Neither one of 'em answered it.
Kerry blew it on the flu vaccine question, no doubt. I saw where some posters were mocking the question, but as both a health writer and someone in one of the high priority groups, it ain't funny to have this happen.
And for Bush to start talking about market forces as a solution to our health care problems...STUPID FUCK, that is the REASON for our health care problems.
Lawsuits have nothing to do with the lack of flu vaccine. It's all market forces. Not enough companies make the vaccine because they can't make a big profit. So it's limited to just a few companies in order to give them the most money.
Lawsuits has zero to do with this. And people started warning about how putting too much money into the boogeyman of bioterror was taking money out of basic public health.
Ergo ipso stupido, we have a crisis with the flu vaccine.
Bush set it all up for Kerry. And Kerry blew that answer.
It was a good question. Neither one of 'em answered it.
I'm struggling today...I'm proof reading a poorly written document. I'm sick of pointing out to the writer that his grammar sucks. How many times do I have to tell this person that the comma goes inside the quotation marks, or any one of a hundred similar errors? It's boring.
So I'm distracted. And Atrios provides such a wonderful forum for play...
I'm struggling today...I'm proof reading a poorly written document. I'm sick of pointing out to the writer that his grammar sucks. How many times do I have to tell this person that the comma goes inside the quotation marks, or any one of a hundred similar errors? It's boring.
So I'm distracted. And Atrios provides such a wonderful forum for play...
I'm struggling today...I'm proof reading a poorly written document. I'm sick of pointing out to the writer that his grammar sucks. How many times do I have to tell this person that the comma goes inside the quotation marks, or any one of a hundred similar errors? It's boring.
So I'm distracted. And Atrios provides such a wonderful forum for play...
OT - http://tinyurl.com/4srqd (link to Yahoo! News article)
OT - http://tinyurl.com/4srqd (link to Yahoo! News article)
OT - http://tinyurl.com/4srqd (link to Yahoo! News article)
Vicki: I know your pain. It's one of the reasons I went back to being a writer and don't want to be an editor again.
Jeez, I hate editing shitty copy.
Vicki: I know your pain. It's one of the reasons I went back to being a writer and don't want to be an editor again.
Jeez, I hate editing shitty copy.
Vicki: I know your pain. It's one of the reasons I went back to being a writer and don't want to be an editor again.
Jeez, I hate editing shitty copy.
After my boss pays for my health coverage, he takes out $800 a month from my check so I can cover the rest of my family. That's nearly $10K a year, and we have a $4000 deductible to boot.
Yes, sign me up for the Congressional plan.
After my boss pays for my health coverage, he takes out $800 a month from my check so I can cover the rest of my family. That's nearly $10K a year, and we have a $4000 deductible to boot.
Yes, sign me up for the Congressional plan.
After my boss pays for my health coverage, he takes out $800 a month from my check so I can cover the rest of my family. That's nearly $10K a year, and we have a $4000 deductible to boot.
Yes, sign me up for the Congressional plan.
Mighty powerful link, kentuckydem! Yikes!
Mighty powerful link, kentuckydem! Yikes!
Mighty powerful link, kentuckydem! Yikes!
Lisa,
Thanks for the empathy! Been struggling with it for most of the afternoon. This kid just doesn't get it, but he doesn't answer to me, so I have to continue to plow through his work. It's brutal.
Lisa,
Thanks for the empathy! Been struggling with it for most of the afternoon. This kid just doesn't get it, but he doesn't answer to me, so I have to continue to plow through his work. It's brutal.
Lisa,
Thanks for the empathy! Been struggling with it for most of the afternoon. This kid just doesn't get it, but he doesn't answer to me, so I have to continue to plow through his work. It's brutal.
It's hard work providing health care for all Americans, I tell you, it's hard work.
It's hard work providing health care for all Americans, I tell you, it's hard work.
It's hard work providing health care for all Americans, I tell you, it's hard work.
Frist "Frist!"!
Frist "Frist!"!
Frist "Frist!"!
Lisa - Mr. Tena agrees with you that Kerry should have really come down on the flu vaccine shortage. I felt, however, that Bush did a fine job of fucking that up all by his lonesome. I mean - what kind of solution is it to stand there and say over and over: "I just say this to the Amurcan people - don't get a flu shot." Well, d'uh. I think the whole reason this is an issue, you fucking developmentally disabled chimpanzee, is because THEY CAN'T GET A FLU SHOT. Because you are an idjit.
Lisa - Mr. Tena agrees with you that Kerry should have really come down on the flu vaccine shortage. I felt, however, that Bush did a fine job of fucking that up all by his lonesome. I mean - what kind of solution is it to stand there and say over and over: "I just say this to the Amurcan people - don't get a flu shot." Well, d'uh. I think the whole reason this is an issue, you fucking developmentally disabled chimpanzee, is because THEY CAN'T GET A FLU SHOT. Because you are an idjit.
Lisa - Mr. Tena agrees with you that Kerry should have really come down on the flu vaccine shortage. I felt, however, that Bush did a fine job of fucking that up all by his lonesome. I mean - what kind of solution is it to stand there and say over and over: "I just say this to the Amurcan people - don't get a flu shot." Well, d'uh. I think the whole reason this is an issue, you fucking developmentally disabled chimpanzee, is because THEY CAN'T GET A FLU SHOT. Because you are an idjit.
Don't you mean a PELL GRANT to go to community college?!?
Look, we've increased the Pell Grant funding 3 hunnert percent, and our health care system is the envy of the world.
My opponent would have left Saddam Hussein in power.
Why can't you see that this is hard work?
Don't you mean a PELL GRANT to go to community college?!?
Look, we've increased the Pell Grant funding 3 hunnert percent, and our health care system is the envy of the world.
My opponent would have left Saddam Hussein in power.
Why can't you see that this is hard work?
Don't you mean a PELL GRANT to go to community college?!?
Look, we've increased the Pell Grant funding 3 hunnert percent, and our health care system is the envy of the world.
My opponent would have left Saddam Hussein in power.
Why can't you see that this is hard work?
The same health insurance Congress has?
You can't afford that!!!
WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE???
The same health insurance Congress has?
You can't afford that!!!
WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE???
The same health insurance Congress has?
You can't afford that!!!
WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE???
you fucking developmentally disabled chimpanzee
Oh my God, Tena! Busted a gut! It was the passionate way you put that into your sentence!
you fucking developmentally disabled chimpanzee
Oh my God, Tena! Busted a gut! It was the passionate way you put that into your sentence!
you fucking developmentally disabled chimpanzee
Oh my God, Tena! Busted a gut! It was the passionate way you put that into your sentence!
It's hard work providing health care for all Americans, I tell you, it's hard work.
He knows. He's seen it on TV.
It's hard work providing health care for all Americans, I tell you, it's hard work.
He knows. He's seen it on TV.
It's hard work providing health care for all Americans, I tell you, it's hard work.
He knows. He's seen it on TV.
My opponent would have left Saddam Hussein in power.
Yup. Saddam Hussein would still be the absolute tyrant of everything between the northern no-fly zone and the southern no-fly zone.
And he'd still be trying to get his hands on a missile powerful enough to put his measly little scuds in Jerusalem.
And after he finally succeeded at that, he'd be able to create an opening to invade Israel with his awesome ground forces, his globally feared navy, and his matchless air power.
Until he ran out of "humanitarian" income from his UN-sanctioned oil-for-food program.
My opponent would have left Saddam Hussein in power.
Yup. Saddam Hussein would still be the absolute tyrant of everything between the northern no-fly zone and the southern no-fly zone.
And he'd still be trying to get his hands on a missile powerful enough to put his measly little scuds in Jerusalem.
And after he finally succeeded at that, he'd be able to create an opening to invade Israel with his awesome ground forces, his globally feared navy, and his matchless air power.
Until he ran out of "humanitarian" income from his UN-sanctioned oil-for-food program.
My opponent would have left Saddam Hussein in power.
Yup. Saddam Hussein would still be the absolute tyrant of everything between the northern no-fly zone and the southern no-fly zone.
And he'd still be trying to get his hands on a missile powerful enough to put his measly little scuds in Jerusalem.
And after he finally succeeded at that, he'd be able to create an opening to invade Israel with his awesome ground forces, his globally feared navy, and his matchless air power.
Until he ran out of "humanitarian" income from his UN-sanctioned oil-for-food program.
I was struck by the same thing. Try getting a quote to get top-quality health insurance for a family.
It will cost a HELL of a lot more than $660/mo.
I was struck by the same thing. Try getting a quote to get top-quality health insurance for a family.
It will cost a HELL of a lot more than $660/mo.
I was struck by the same thing. Try getting a quote to get top-quality health insurance for a family.
It will cost a HELL of a lot more than $660/mo.
Well, d'uh. I think the whole reason this is an issue, you fucking developmentally disabled chimpanzee, is because THEY CAN'T GET A FLU SHOT.
Not my fault. It's those Britters who let their eggs get infected.
I TOLD you that the Brits and the Canadians were trying to kill us.
Well, d'uh. I think the whole reason this is an issue, you fucking developmentally disabled chimpanzee, is because THEY CAN'T GET A FLU SHOT.
Not my fault. It's those Britters who let their eggs get infected.
I TOLD you that the Brits and the Canadians were trying to kill us.
Well, d'uh. I think the whole reason this is an issue, you fucking developmentally disabled chimpanzee, is because THEY CAN'T GET A FLU SHOT.
Not my fault. It's those Britters who let their eggs get infected.
I TOLD you that the Brits and the Canadians were trying to kill us.
Well, if we have a re-occurence of the 1918 Flu Pandemic, maybe people will decide that it's finally time to do something about public health.
And there'll still be plenty of boner pills to go around! We'll have the handsomist corpses with big, veiny hard-ons!
Wonder how many flu vaccine factories the $200 billion we're pouring down the Iraq rathole would have bought. THAT was how I wanted Kerry to answer that question.
Well, if we have a re-occurence of the 1918 Flu Pandemic, maybe people will decide that it's finally time to do something about public health.
And there'll still be plenty of boner pills to go around! We'll have the handsomist corpses with big, veiny hard-ons!
Wonder how many flu vaccine factories the $200 billion we're pouring down the Iraq rathole would have bought. THAT was how I wanted Kerry to answer that question.
Well, if we have a re-occurence of the 1918 Flu Pandemic, maybe people will decide that it's finally time to do something about public health.
And there'll still be plenty of boner pills to go around! We'll have the handsomist corpses with big, veiny hard-ons!
Wonder how many flu vaccine factories the $200 billion we're pouring down the Iraq rathole would have bought. THAT was how I wanted Kerry to answer that question.
OT ~
Kos has a main post up that says Arkansas is now in play.
Kerry kicked ass in the debates.
Wonder if he got his flu shot?
OT ~
Kos has a main post up that says Arkansas is now in play.
Kerry kicked ass in the debates.
Wonder if he got his flu shot?
OT ~
Kos has a main post up that says Arkansas is now in play.
Kerry kicked ass in the debates.
Wonder if he got his flu shot?
There is a fundamental question that any politician should start with.
DO YOU WANT EVERY CITIZEN TO HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE?
If the answer is yes, there is only one way under our current system. That is through a single payer form of coverage.
If you are opposed to a single payer system, you are saying you don't want everyone to have coverage.
It is just that simple.
There is a fundamental question that any politician should start with.
DO YOU WANT EVERY CITIZEN TO HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE?
If the answer is yes, there is only one way under our current system. That is through a single payer form of coverage.
If you are opposed to a single payer system, you are saying you don't want everyone to have coverage.
It is just that simple.
There is a fundamental question that any politician should start with.
DO YOU WANT EVERY CITIZEN TO HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE?
If the answer is yes, there is only one way under our current system. That is through a single payer form of coverage.
If you are opposed to a single payer system, you are saying you don't want everyone to have coverage.
It is just that simple.
oh, btw, my (Republican) neighbor who used to be a healthcare analyst for Marsh & McLennan gets upset anytime someone says "health insurance" in his presence. "It's NOT INSURANCE!!!", he screams.
"You're BUYING something you're GOING to USE!!!"
oh, btw, my (Republican) neighbor who used to be a healthcare analyst for Marsh & McLennan gets upset anytime someone says "health insurance" in his presence. "It's NOT INSURANCE!!!", he screams.
"You're BUYING something you're GOING to USE!!!"
oh, btw, my (Republican) neighbor who used to be a healthcare analyst for Marsh & McLennan gets upset anytime someone says "health insurance" in his presence. "It's NOT INSURANCE!!!", he screams.
"You're BUYING something you're GOING to USE!!!"
Charles Pierce, in the Altercation column today:
"I left the world of debate after an amped-up and ubiquitous Karen Hughes -- I think she closed out the night bellowing at strangers on the sidewalk in Tempe -- told CNN that John Kerry was the real Herbert Hoover in this race because of his "isolationist" foreign policy and his "protectionist" stance on trade. History should not be left lying around where anybody can pick it up and start using it as a ballpeen hammer."
another spewed-upon keyboard....
Charles Pierce, in the Altercation column today:
"I left the world of debate after an amped-up and ubiquitous Karen Hughes -- I think she closed out the night bellowing at strangers on the sidewalk in Tempe -- told CNN that John Kerry was the real Herbert Hoover in this race because of his "isolationist" foreign policy and his "protectionist" stance on trade. History should not be left lying around where anybody can pick it up and start using it as a ballpeen hammer."
another spewed-upon keyboard....
Charles Pierce, in the Altercation column today:
"I left the world of debate after an amped-up and ubiquitous Karen Hughes -- I think she closed out the night bellowing at strangers on the sidewalk in Tempe -- told CNN that John Kerry was the real Herbert Hoover in this race because of his "isolationist" foreign policy and his "protectionist" stance on trade. History should not be left lying around where anybody can pick it up and start using it as a ballpeen hammer."
another spewed-upon keyboard....
Kerry got an HONORABLE discharge.
Check out his DD214:
http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkm...rvice/
DD214.pdf
BTW Puppethead, have you seen Bush's DD214?
No?
Why not? What's he hiding?
Kerry got an HONORABLE discharge.
Check out his DD214:
http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkm...rvice/
DD214.pdf
BTW Puppethead, have you seen Bush's DD214?
No?
Why not? What's he hiding?
Kerry got an HONORABLE discharge.
Check out his DD214:
http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkm...rvice/
DD214.pdf
BTW Puppethead, have you seen Bush's DD214?
No?
Why not? What's he hiding?
Pentimenti,
If you read my post carefully, you would have noted that I didn't say I resented the kids I am paying for. I'm all for a good public education and good health care system for everyone.
I'm also paying into Social Security, which may be supporting someone else's parents now, and into a retirement plan so that hopefully, I have enough money to be self-sufficient when I stop working.
However, single people who have to maintain households on their own and don't have anyone to share their expenses with, don't get any breaks at all.
All I'm saying is that I don't see why I should have to pay more for my medical insurance than anyone else, just because I am single.
Pentimenti,
If you read my post carefully, you would have noted that I didn't say I resented the kids I am paying for. I'm all for a good public education and good health care system for everyone.
I'm also paying into Social Security, which may be supporting someone else's parents now, and into a retirement plan so that hopefully, I have enough money to be self-sufficient when I stop working.
However, single people who have to maintain households on their own and don't have anyone to share their expenses with, don't get any breaks at all.
All I'm saying is that I don't see why I should have to pay more for my medical insurance than anyone else, just because I am single.
Pentimenti,
If you read my post carefully, you would have noted that I didn't say I resented the kids I am paying for. I'm all for a good public education and good health care system for everyone.
I'm also paying into Social Security, which may be supporting someone else's parents now, and into a retirement plan so that hopefully, I have enough money to be self-sufficient when I stop working.
However, single people who have to maintain households on their own and don't have anyone to share their expenses with, don't get any breaks at all.
All I'm saying is that I don't see why I should have to pay more for my medical insurance than anyone else, just because I am single.
And what really gets me is people with insurance are all ready paying for people without insurance thru higher premiums and Dr. bills because ERs don't turn people away and pass the cost of unpaid bill to the paying people!
And what really gets me is people with insurance are all ready paying for people without insurance thru higher premiums and Dr. bills because ERs don't turn people away and pass the cost of unpaid bill to the paying people!
And what really gets me is people with insurance are all ready paying for people without insurance thru higher premiums and Dr. bills because ERs don't turn people away and pass the cost of unpaid bill to the paying people!
We can adopt a France-type heathcare system and call it "Freedon Healthcare".
By the way, actually preventing illness is TRUE family values.
We can adopt a France-type heathcare system and call it "Freedon Healthcare".
By the way, actually preventing illness is TRUE family values.
We can adopt a France-type heathcare system and call it "Freedon Healthcare".
By the way, actually preventing illness is TRUE family values.
"Kos has a main post up that says Arkansas is now in play."
I bet Clinton will go there before the election to secure a Kerry win.
"Kos has a main post up that says Arkansas is now in play."
I bet Clinton will go there before the election to secure a Kerry win.
"Kos has a main post up that says Arkansas is now in play."
I bet Clinton will go there before the election to secure a Kerry win.
Took a trip to Litany last year and really love the pasta!
runsey | Email | Homepage | 10.14.04 - 3:47 pm | #
Yeah, made me sorry I didn't pay more attention in my high-school Litan classes.
(Actually took four years of Litan. Semper Ubi Sub Ubi!)
Took a trip to Litany last year and really love the pasta!
runsey | Email | Homepage | 10.14.04 - 3:47 pm | #
Yeah, made me sorry I didn't pay more attention in my high-school Litan classes.
(Actually took four years of Litan. Semper Ubi Sub Ubi!)
Took a trip to Litany last year and really love the pasta!
runsey | Email | Homepage | 10.14.04 - 3:47 pm | #
Yeah, made me sorry I didn't pay more attention in my high-school Litan classes.
(Actually took four years of Litan. Semper Ubi Sub Ubi!)
"WASHINGTON - Dick Cheney and his wife say they are angry at John Kerry for invoking their lesbian daughter during the final presidential debate. Kerry says he was just trying to say something nice about how the Cheneys have dealt with the issue and meant no offense."
Meanwhile, they back the Swift Boat liars slime campaign against a true war hero. Cry me a freaking river Dick and Lynn. Fucking hypocrits....
"WASHINGTON - Dick Cheney and his wife say they are angry at John Kerry for invoking their lesbian daughter during the final presidential debate. Kerry says he was just trying to say something nice about how the Cheneys have dealt with the issue and meant no offense."
Meanwhile, they back the Swift Boat liars slime campaign against a true war hero. Cry me a freaking river Dick and Lynn. Fucking hypocrits....
"WASHINGTON - Dick Cheney and his wife say they are angry at John Kerry for invoking their lesbian daughter during the final presidential debate. Kerry says he was just trying to say something nice about how the Cheneys have dealt with the issue and meant no offense."
Meanwhile, they back the Swift Boat liars slime campaign against a true war hero. Cry me a freaking river Dick and Lynn. Fucking hypocrits....
Does the 'cost of the Iraq war' include any provision for health care and loss-of-lifetime-income for wounded troops? So far there are something like 17,000 many with severe wounds. Lets say its (hope not) 30,000 by the time this ends. Lets say 5 million each for lifetime medical care/loss of income... that's another 150 Billion right there...
Does the 'cost of the Iraq war' include any provision for health care and loss-of-lifetime-income for wounded troops? So far there are something like 17,000 many with severe wounds. Lets say its (hope not) 30,000 by the time this ends. Lets say 5 million each for lifetime medical care/loss of income... that's another 150 Billion right there...
Does the 'cost of the Iraq war' include any provision for health care and loss-of-lifetime-income for wounded troops? So far there are something like 17,000 many with severe wounds. Lets say its (hope not) 30,000 by the time this ends. Lets say 5 million each for lifetime medical care/loss of income... that's another 150 Billion right there...
Health care is going to become a national security issue. Hopefully that will be recognized sooner rather than later.
Consider that multi-drug resistant TB is spreading. And that someone infected who coughs, in say, Central Station, is leaving behind droplets that will remain airborne for roughly 3 hours.
And that is a death sentence for anyone who contracts it. It may take months, or even years for the TB to go active, but once it does ...
And TB carriers can't be spotted as easily as smallpox carriers!!!
Easier to keep everyone healthy than to try to prevent that ...
Health care is going to become a national security issue. Hopefully that will be recognized sooner rather than later.
Consider that multi-drug resistant TB is spreading. And that someone infected who coughs, in say, Central Station, is leaving behind droplets that will remain airborne for roughly 3 hours.
And that is a death sentence for anyone who contracts it. It may take months, or even years for the TB to go active, but once it does ...
And TB carriers can't be spotted as easily as smallpox carriers!!!
Easier to keep everyone healthy than to try to prevent that ...
Health care is going to become a national security issue. Hopefully that will be recognized sooner rather than later.
Consider that multi-drug resistant TB is spreading. And that someone infected who coughs, in say, Central Station, is leaving behind droplets that will remain airborne for roughly 3 hours.
And that is a death sentence for anyone who contracts it. It may take months, or even years for the TB to go active, but once it does ...
And TB carriers can't be spotted as easily as smallpox carriers!!!
Easier to keep everyone healthy than to try to prevent that ...
Hanging out with my microbiologist sister and her PhD micro and epidemiologist husband generally makes me very very thirsty.
Hanging out with my microbiologist sister and her PhD micro and epidemiologist husband generally makes me very very thirsty.
Hanging out with my microbiologist sister and her PhD micro and epidemiologist husband generally makes me very very thirsty.
Robert M. Jeffers,
Thank you for pointing out this third rail of the whole health insurance issue. I was wondering who would mention it (including the fact that health care costs were a whole lot less back in the days when medicine didn't do such a good job ... back in those days, all those sick people who spend so much money on meds would be what we in the biomedical community call, and pardon the technical language here, "dead") - that's one of those things about which I bet Kerry was laughing when he was laughing in the debates, but he didn't have the guts to piss on the third rail by actually bringing up the point (there were several of those moments during the debate - actually - where Bush was saying nonsense and Kerry was laughing but didn't say anything, because making sense would involve some major third-rail pissing).
Let me add, though, as I understand things, a few companies were offering HMO type coverage (Kaiser, a steel or something or other company before it spun off its HMO, mean anything to anyone here) to their employees not so much as insurance but as preventative maintainance figuring that a healthy employee is a more productive employee.
In theory, this is a wise move on the part of employers. However, as was pointed out above, the insurance paradigm is wrong except for catastrophic ... e.g. does auto insurance pay for oil changes?
Now as my brain turns to mush (I am trying to finish writing a paper, and it's driving me batty ... and to top it all off, a friend of mine is pushing me to tutor her before a test, even though I don't have time to do that ... yet I am spending time here - so go figure) - I just wanna say the profit motive here does throw a wrench into everything.
Sorry to sound like a commie - but RMJ, as usual, is right: "follow the money" is a useful lesson here.
Robert M. Jeffers,
Thank you for pointing out this third rail of the whole health insurance issue. I was wondering who would mention it (including the fact that health care costs were a whole lot less back in the days when medicine didn't do such a good job ... back in those days, all those sick people who spend so much money on meds would be what we in the biomedical community call, and pardon the technical language here, "dead") - that's one of those things about which I bet Kerry was laughing when he was laughing in the debates, but he didn't have the guts to piss on the third rail by actually bringing up the point (there were several of those moments during the debate - actually - where Bush was saying nonsense and Kerry was laughing but didn't say anything, because making sense would involve some major third-rail pissing).
Let me add, though, as I understand things, a few companies were offering HMO type coverage (Kaiser, a steel or something or other company before it spun off its HMO, mean anything to anyone here) to their employees not so much as insurance but as preventative maintainance figuring that a healthy employee is a more productive employee.
In theory, this is a wise move on the part of employers. However, as was pointed out above, the insurance paradigm is wrong except for catastrophic ... e.g. does auto insurance pay for oil changes?
Now as my brain turns to mush (I am trying to finish writing a paper, and it's driving me batty ... and to top it all off, a friend of mine is pushing me to tutor her before a test, even though I don't have time to do that ... yet I am spending time here - so go figure) - I just wanna say the profit motive here does throw a wrench into everything.
Sorry to sound like a commie - but RMJ, as usual, is right: "follow the money" is a useful lesson here.
Robert M. Jeffers,
Thank you for pointing out this third rail of the whole health insurance issue. I was wondering who would mention it (including the fact that health care costs were a whole lot less back in the days when medicine didn't do such a good job ... back in those days, all those sick people who spend so much money on meds would be what we in the biomedical community call, and pardon the technical language here, "dead") - that's one of those things about which I bet Kerry was laughing when he was laughing in the debates, but he didn't have the guts to piss on the third rail by actually bringing up the point (there were several of those moments during the debate - actually - where Bush was saying nonsense and Kerry was laughing but didn't say anything, because making sense would involve some major third-rail pissing).
Let me add, though, as I understand things, a few companies were offering HMO type coverage (Kaiser, a steel or something or other company before it spun off its HMO, mean anything to anyone here) to their employees not so much as insurance but as preventative maintainance figuring that a healthy employee is a more productive employee.
In theory, this is a wise move on the part of employers. However, as was pointed out above, the insurance paradigm is wrong except for catastrophic ... e.g. does auto insurance pay for oil changes?
Now as my brain turns to mush (I am trying to finish writing a paper, and it's driving me batty ... and to top it all off, a friend of mine is pushing me to tutor her before a test, even though I don't have time to do that ... yet I am spending time here - so go figure) - I just wanna say the profit motive here does throw a wrench into everything.
Sorry to sound like a commie - but RMJ, as usual, is right: "follow the money" is a useful lesson here.
Ummmm,
How is it that Bush even has this number at hand? How does he know the cost of this? Assuming, of course, that he isn't lying.
Ummmm,
How is it that Bush even has this number at hand? How does he know the cost of this? Assuming, of course, that he isn't lying.
Ummmm,
How is it that Bush even has this number at hand? How does he know the cost of this? Assuming, of course, that he isn't lying.
It was interesting to hear Bush vociferously defend his administration's support of public healthcare (when he noted the $22 billion dollars his administration provided the VA) and simultaneously argue against public healthcare (when he attacked Kerry's plan as a littany of complaints)
If our government ran Medicare and Medicaid like the VA no one would need to go to Canada to buy drugs.
It was interesting to hear Bush vociferously defend his administration's support of public healthcare (when he noted the $22 billion dollars his administration provided the VA) and simultaneously argue against public healthcare (when he attacked Kerry's plan as a littany of complaints)
If our government ran Medicare and Medicaid like the VA no one would need to go to Canada to buy drugs.
It was interesting to hear Bush vociferously defend his administration's support of public healthcare (when he noted the $22 billion dollars his administration provided the VA) and simultaneously argue against public healthcare (when he attacked Kerry's plan as a littany of complaints)
If our government ran Medicare and Medicaid like the VA no one would need to go to Canada to buy drugs.
I own a small business, and our BC/BS medical and dental plan costs me about $10,300.00 per year for a family.
Where (and when) do I sign up for Kerry Care?
I own a small business, and our BC/BS medical and dental plan costs me about $10,300.00 per year for a family.
Where (and when) do I sign up for Kerry Care?
I own a small business, and our BC/BS medical and dental plan costs me about $10,300.00 per year for a family.
Where (and when) do I sign up for Kerry Care?
And what really gets me is people with insurance are all ready paying for people without insurance thru higher premiums and Dr. bills because ERs don't turn people away and pass the cost of unpaid bill to the paying people!
BuzzWindrip | Email | Homepage | 10.14.04 - 5:25 pm | #
Another person brainwashed by big Insurance Company propoaganda.
Same goes for that tired old tort-reform argument they trot out.
Nope, the cost of rising healthcare is never the fault of our discompassionate, bureaucratic, infinitely greedy corporations who provide us "peace of mind".
Make no mistake. Those companies have single-handedly ruined medicine as we once knew it. There are some things that should never be left to corporate inhumane industries whose bottom line is more important than anyones health.
If it has to be socialized medicine, so be it. The private sector has proven it's not up to the task.
Wellness and greed are opposing values!
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And what really gets me is people with insurance are all ready paying for people without insurance thru higher premiums and Dr. bills because ERs don't turn people away and pass the cost of unpaid bill to the paying people!
BuzzWindrip | Email | Homepage | 10.14.04 - 5:25 pm | #
Another person brainwashed by big Insurance Company propoaganda.
Same goes for that tired old tort-reform argument they trot out.
Nope, the cost of rising healthcare is never the fault of our discompassionate, bureaucratic, infinitely greedy corporations who provide us "peace of mind".
Make no mistake. Those companies have single-handedly ruined medicine as we once knew it. There are some things that should never be left to corporate inhumane industries whose bottom line is more important than anyones health.
If it has to be socialized medicine, so be it. The private sector has proven it's not up to the task.
Wellness and greed are opposing values!
.
And what really gets me is people with insurance are all ready paying for people without insurance thru higher premiums and Dr. bills because ERs don't turn people away and pass the cost of unpaid bill to the paying people!
BuzzWindrip | Email | Homepage | 10.14.04 - 5:25 pm | #
Another person brainwashed by big Insurance Company propoaganda.
Same goes for that tired old tort-reform argument they trot out.
Nope, the cost of rising healthcare is never the fault of our discompassionate, bureaucratic, infinitely greedy corporations who provide us "peace of mind".
Make no mistake. Those companies have single-handedly ruined medicine as we once knew it. There are some things that should never be left to corporate inhumane industries whose bottom line is more important than anyones health.
If it has to be socialized medicine, so be it. The private sector has proven it's not up to the task.
Wellness and greed are opposing values!
.
Yeah, that was my reaction, too. I wrote over at the American Street this morning:
Weirdly Out of Touch Award
In the healthcare debate, Bush implied that the Congress’s benefit, at $7700 a year, was egregiously expensive. But that’s just $641 a month. I don’t know what universe Bush is living in, but that’s a pretty good deal. In ‘92, his father lost because he didn’t know how a checkout scanner worked. If the Kerry folks were on the ball, they could spin this answer as evidence that Bush is hopelessly out of touch with the cost of healthcare.
Yeah, that was my reaction, too. I wrote over at the American Street this morning:
Weirdly Out of Touch Award
In the healthcare debate, Bush implied that the Congress’s benefit, at $7700 a year, was egregiously expensive. But that’s just $641 a month. I don’t know what universe Bush is living in, but that’s a pretty good deal. In ‘92, his father lost because he didn’t know how a checkout scanner worked. If the Kerry folks were on the ball, they could spin this answer as evidence that Bush is hopelessly out of touch with the cost of healthcare.
Yeah, that was my reaction, too. I wrote over at the American Street this morning:
Weirdly Out of Touch Award
In the healthcare debate, Bush implied that the Congress’s benefit, at $7700 a year, was egregiously expensive. But that’s just $641 a month. I don’t know what universe Bush is living in, but that’s a pretty good deal. In ‘92, his father lost because he didn’t know how a checkout scanner worked. If the Kerry folks were on the ball, they could spin this answer as evidence that Bush is hopelessly out of touch with the cost of healthcare.
Why didn't Bush just state the obvious
Republican motto 'PEOPLE ARE CHEAP, MONEY ISN'T'! May their souls stay long in purgatory.
Why didn't Bush just state the obvious
Republican motto 'PEOPLE ARE CHEAP, MONEY ISN'T'! May their souls stay long in purgatory.
Why didn't Bush just state the obvious
Republican motto 'PEOPLE ARE CHEAP, MONEY ISN'T'! May their souls stay long in purgatory.
The part of the debate last night where Bush defends the drug companies by preaching caution on the importation of Canadian drugs (as if the whole importation crisis hasn't been brewing for months and years), and Kerry comes out for drug importation to lessen the expense for Americans made my skin crawl.
This is the biggest Mis-direct of American politics today. How did the issue of health care in America turn into a pro- or anti-Canadian drug import debate?
The more we talk about legalizing the importation of drugs from Canada, the less we talk about the stupefying state of affairs in America that has made our drugs so expensive to begin with.
US companies make many of these drugs. They sell them in other countries for some price. In the US, the company's home, they are sold at a premium of that price.
I ask you: what the fuck? What sort of gimlet-eyed sleight-of-hand is it that can take the problem of our ridiculous healthcare system and replace it, before our very eyes, with the problem of drug importation? As for drugs, the fix isn't to allow Canadian drugs in, it's to fix the evil pricing scheme that allows Glaxo et al to make its profits on the backs of Americans while the rest of the world gets a free ride.
So I'm disappointed with Kerry that he's only coming out 'for' Canadian drug importation, which, in a world where we actually take care of the real healthcare problems, would be a non-issue.
Hopefully he'll do something about it in office, but he sure didn't mention it last night.
He's not perfect. But we can't afford another 4 years of the other guy.
The part of the debate last night where Bush defends the drug companies by preaching caution on the importation of Canadian drugs (as if the whole importation crisis hasn't been brewing for months and years), and Kerry comes out for drug importation to lessen the expense for Americans made my skin crawl.
This is the biggest Mis-direct of American politics today. How did the issue of health care in America turn into a pro- or anti-Canadian drug import debate?
The more we talk about legalizing the importation of drugs from Canada, the less we talk about the stupefying state of affairs in America that has made our drugs so expensive to begin with.
US companies make many of these drugs. They sell them in other countries for some price. In the US, the company's home, they are sold at a premium of that price.
I ask you: what the fuck? What sort of gimlet-eyed sleight-of-hand is it that can take the problem of our ridiculous healthcare system and replace it, before our very eyes, with the problem of drug importation? As for drugs, the fix isn't to allow Canadian drugs in, it's to fix the evil pricing scheme that allows Glaxo et al to make its profits on the backs of Americans while the rest of the world gets a free ride.
So I'm disappointed with Kerry that he's only coming out 'for' Canadian drug importation, which, in a world where we actually take care of the real healthcare problems, would be a non-issue.
Hopefully he'll do something about it in office, but he sure didn't mention it last night.
He's not perfect. But we can't afford another 4 years of the other guy.
The part of the debate last night where Bush defends the drug companies by preaching caution on the importation of Canadian drugs (as if the whole importation crisis hasn't been brewing for months and years), and Kerry comes out for drug importation to lessen the expense for Americans made my skin crawl.
This is the biggest Mis-direct of American politics today. How did the issue of health care in America turn into a pro- or anti-Canadian drug import debate?
The more we talk about legalizing the importation of drugs from Canada, the less we talk about the stupefying state of affairs in America that has made our drugs so expensive to begin with.
US companies make many of these drugs. They sell them in other countries for some price. In the US, the company's home, they are sold at a premium of that price.
I ask you: what the fuck? What sort of gimlet-eyed sleight-of-hand is it that can take the problem of our ridiculous healthcare system and replace it, before our very eyes, with the problem of drug importation? As for drugs, the fix isn't to allow Canadian drugs in, it's to fix the evil pricing scheme that allows Glaxo et al to make its profits on the backs of Americans while the rest of the world gets a free ride.
So I'm disappointed with Kerry that he's only coming out 'for' Canadian drug importation, which, in a world where we actually take care of the real healthcare problems, would be a non-issue.
Hopefully he'll do something about it in office, but he sure didn't mention it last night.
He's not perfect. But we can't afford another 4 years of the other guy.
Our health care system in America is causing so many people to become poor. Lets resort to the system in Canada . It will be a true blessing for every American who works hard in making a living .......
Our health care system in America is causing so many people to become poor. Lets resort to the system in Canada . It will be a true blessing for every American who works hard in making a living .......
Our health care system in America is causing so many people to become poor. Lets resort to the system in Canada . It will be a true blessing for every American who works hard in making a living .......
Regarding the no fault program on National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program
http://tinyurl.com/5s6p2
Regarding the no fault program on National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program
http://tinyurl.com/5s6p2
Regarding the no fault program on National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program
http://tinyurl.com/5s6p2
Regarding the no fault program on National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program
http://tinyurl.com/5s6p2
Regarding the no fault program on National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program
http://tinyurl.com/5s6p2
Regarding the no fault program on National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program
http://tinyurl.com/5s6p2
Even a blind pig finds an acorn once in a while...
Even a blind pig finds an acorn once in a while...
Even a blind pig finds an acorn once in a while...
Ted Koppel just went into the fetal position because of all the confusing math.
Ted Koppel just went into the fetal position because of all the confusing math.
Ted Koppel just went into the fetal position because of all the confusing math.
E.J. Dionne comments on this same statement by Shrub in an op-ed today in the Post.
E.J. Dionne comments on this same statement by Shrub in an op-ed today in the Post.
E.J. Dionne comments on this same statement by Shrub in an op-ed today in the Post.
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