I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Falafel!
Falafel!
Falafel!
Isn't 24 supposed to be realistic?
Isn't 24 supposed to be realistic?
Isn't 24 supposed to be realistic?
WOOOHOOO
WOOOHOOO
WOOOHOOO
Eat me, Shut up O'Reillly.
Eat me, Shut up O'Reillly.
Eat me, Shut up O'Reillly.
But Atrios, look at all the great and necessary intel we've gotten from all the torture!
USA! USA!
But Atrios, look at all the great and necessary intel we've gotten from all the torture!
USA! USA!
But Atrios, look at all the great and necessary intel we've gotten from all the torture!
USA! USA!
statement said: "Guantánamo guards provide an environment that is stable, secure, safe and humane. And it is that environment that sets the conditions for interrogators to w for them.ork successfully and to gain valuable information from detainees because they have built a relationship of trust, not fear.
The fucking bASTARDS! The depths of hell are not bad enough
statement said: "Guantánamo guards provide an environment that is stable, secure, safe and humane. And it is that environment that sets the conditions for interrogators to w for them.ork successfully and to gain valuable information from detainees because they have built a relationship of trust, not fear.
The fucking bASTARDS! The depths of hell are not bad enough
statement said: "Guantánamo guards provide an environment that is stable, secure, safe and humane. And it is that environment that sets the conditions for interrogators to w for them.ork successfully and to gain valuable information from detainees because they have built a relationship of trust, not fear.
The fucking bASTARDS! The depths of hell are not bad enough
Of course, the torture wasn't "systemic" was it? Just a few bad apples keep popping up everywhere and the General in charge of it gets a promotion. Nothing to see here, folks.
Of course, the torture wasn't "systemic" was it? Just a few bad apples keep popping up everywhere and the General in charge of it gets a promotion. Nothing to see here, folks.
Of course, the torture wasn't "systemic" was it? Just a few bad apples keep popping up everywhere and the General in charge of it gets a promotion. Nothing to see here, folks.
So how are we better than Saddam again?
So how are we better than Saddam again?
So how are we better than Saddam again?
Tomás de Torquemada thought is was for a righteous cause. Perhaps Mr. Bush is actually running to be the first Protestant Pope of America. Infallibility already in place.
Wouldn't be prudent.
Ta-ta!
Tomás de Torquemada thought is was for a righteous cause. Perhaps Mr. Bush is actually running to be the first Protestant Pope of America. Infallibility already in place.
Wouldn't be prudent.
Ta-ta!
Tomás de Torquemada thought is was for a righteous cause. Perhaps Mr. Bush is actually running to be the first Protestant Pope of America. Infallibility already in place.
Wouldn't be prudent.
Ta-ta!
Totally, OT:
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Click here to listen.
Totally, OT:
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Click here to listen.
Totally, OT:
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Click here to listen.
One of the main reasons I despise and will never associate myself ever again with any Thug that justifies torture, is that they have allowed GWB and their greed for money and power to override their very humanity.
One of the main reasons I despise and will never associate myself ever again with any Thug that justifies torture, is that they have allowed GWB and their greed for money and power to override their very humanity.
One of the main reasons I despise and will never associate myself ever again with any Thug that justifies torture, is that they have allowed GWB and their greed for money and power to override their very humanity.
So wave that flag proudly, everyone! And don't trouble your pretty little heads about what it's supposed to actually stand for...
Can anyone tell me how to get back to America from here?
So wave that flag proudly, everyone! And don't trouble your pretty little heads about what it's supposed to actually stand for...
Can anyone tell me how to get back to America from here?
So wave that flag proudly, everyone! And don't trouble your pretty little heads about what it's supposed to actually stand for...
Can anyone tell me how to get back to America from here?
But but but ... Kerry will hook up the electrodes to my KIDS! Better to torture them than for them to rape us here!
Right? Right?
But but but ... Kerry will hook up the electrodes to my KIDS! Better to torture them than for them to rape us here!
Right? Right?
But but but ... Kerry will hook up the electrodes to my KIDS! Better to torture them than for them to rape us here!
Right? Right?
"And, trolls, spare me all the "ticking nuclear time bomb" scenarios that 101st Fighting Keyboarders dream of as they imagine that they're starring in 24."
Holy crap, that's funny! That's gotta be one of the best line's I've ever seen.
"And, trolls, spare me all the "ticking nuclear time bomb" scenarios that 101st Fighting Keyboarders dream of as they imagine that they're starring in 24."
Holy crap, that's funny! That's gotta be one of the best line's I've ever seen.
"And, trolls, spare me all the "ticking nuclear time bomb" scenarios that 101st Fighting Keyboarders dream of as they imagine that they're starring in 24."
Holy crap, that's funny! That's gotta be one of the best line's I've ever seen.
Sick fucks; I'm going to need to see some US indictments and a Hague trial.
Sick fucks; I'm going to need to see some US indictments and a Hague trial.
Sick fucks; I'm going to need to see some US indictments and a Hague trial.
Can anyone vouch for peemer? I have had my PC loaded up with spyware and viruses from trolls.
Can anyone vouch for peemer? I have had my PC loaded up with spyware and viruses from trolls.
Can anyone vouch for peemer? I have had my PC loaded up with spyware and viruses from trolls.
It's great product placement for McDonald's, at least: The sources portrayed a system of punishment and reward, with prisoners who were favored for their cooperation with interrogators given the privilege of spending time in a large room nicknamed "the love shack'' by the guards. In that room, they were free to relax and had access to magazines, books, a television and a video player and some R-rated movies, along with the use of a water pipe to smoke aromatic tobaccos. Those prisoners were also occasionally given milkshakes and hamburgers from the McDonald's on the base.
McDonald's: So Good, You'll Betray Jihad.
It's great product placement for McDonald's, at least: The sources portrayed a system of punishment and reward, with prisoners who were favored for their cooperation with interrogators given the privilege of spending time in a large room nicknamed "the love shack'' by the guards. In that room, they were free to relax and had access to magazines, books, a television and a video player and some R-rated movies, along with the use of a water pipe to smoke aromatic tobaccos. Those prisoners were also occasionally given milkshakes and hamburgers from the McDonald's on the base.
McDonald's: So Good, You'll Betray Jihad.
It's great product placement for McDonald's, at least: The sources portrayed a system of punishment and reward, with prisoners who were favored for their cooperation with interrogators given the privilege of spending time in a large room nicknamed "the love shack'' by the guards. In that room, they were free to relax and had access to magazines, books, a television and a video player and some R-rated movies, along with the use of a water pipe to smoke aromatic tobaccos. Those prisoners were also occasionally given milkshakes and hamburgers from the McDonald's on the base.
McDonald's: So Good, You'll Betray Jihad.
I'd laugh if it didn't piss me off so much.
well, the only thing I can say is.
I'm glad I believe in a Just God...I can't imagine what the afterlife will be like for our fearless leaders.
I'd laugh if it didn't piss me off so much.
well, the only thing I can say is.
I'm glad I believe in a Just God...I can't imagine what the afterlife will be like for our fearless leaders.
I'd laugh if it didn't piss me off so much.
well, the only thing I can say is.
I'm glad I believe in a Just God...I can't imagine what the afterlife will be like for our fearless leaders.
remember the story from gitmo of the army guy who posed undercover as a detainee in a cell for some idiotic reason, and was beaten to within an inch of his life by the guards that were sent to his cell before he was able to convince him he was posing as a detainee?
and i'm sure he would have survived had he been a real detainee, too.
about sums up Gitmo for me.
remember the story from gitmo of the army guy who posed undercover as a detainee in a cell for some idiotic reason, and was beaten to within an inch of his life by the guards that were sent to his cell before he was able to convince him he was posing as a detainee?
and i'm sure he would have survived had he been a real detainee, too.
about sums up Gitmo for me.
remember the story from gitmo of the army guy who posed undercover as a detainee in a cell for some idiotic reason, and was beaten to within an inch of his life by the guards that were sent to his cell before he was able to convince him he was posing as a detainee?
and i'm sure he would have survived had he been a real detainee, too.
about sums up Gitmo for me.
Can anyone tell me how to get back to America from here?
Yes, dear Roddy. GO Vote! And pray it counts.
Can anyone tell me how to get back to America from here?
Yes, dear Roddy. GO Vote! And pray it counts.
Can anyone tell me how to get back to America from here?
Yes, dear Roddy. GO Vote! And pray it counts.
it would be the ultimate turnaround for us to join the world court and have this administration tried for war crimes...
they deserve as much
it would be the ultimate turnaround for us to join the world court and have this administration tried for war crimes...
they deserve as much
it would be the ultimate turnaround for us to join the world court and have this administration tried for war crimes...
they deserve as much
Jeebus Fucking A Christ!
I read the article and I'm simply outraged beyond belief. There's NO justification for what the government is doing on Gitmo, especially since were 3+ years past 9/11 and nearly 3 years beyond Afghanistan. WHAT KIND OF INFORMATION WILL THESE PEOPLE HOLE THAT IS OF ANY USE???
I'm trying to figure out the purpose of Gitmo now...is it so that there's a place where the government can threaten to send people, a place that, despite soothing words from government whores to the contrary, is actually a sink of human depravity in the name of information gathering?
There are so many things wrong with our country since Gee Dubya became president. This is one of them. Take down my name, John Ashcroft, but I sincerely hope that Dubya and all his pals that approved of torture chambers get hauled before The Hague someday and have to explain themselves.
--signed, GOTV, it is our only hope
Jeebus Fucking A Christ!
I read the article and I'm simply outraged beyond belief. There's NO justification for what the government is doing on Gitmo, especially since were 3+ years past 9/11 and nearly 3 years beyond Afghanistan. WHAT KIND OF INFORMATION WILL THESE PEOPLE HOLE THAT IS OF ANY USE???
I'm trying to figure out the purpose of Gitmo now...is it so that there's a place where the government can threaten to send people, a place that, despite soothing words from government whores to the contrary, is actually a sink of human depravity in the name of information gathering?
There are so many things wrong with our country since Gee Dubya became president. This is one of them. Take down my name, John Ashcroft, but I sincerely hope that Dubya and all his pals that approved of torture chambers get hauled before The Hague someday and have to explain themselves.
--signed, GOTV, it is our only hope
Jeebus Fucking A Christ!
I read the article and I'm simply outraged beyond belief. There's NO justification for what the government is doing on Gitmo, especially since were 3+ years past 9/11 and nearly 3 years beyond Afghanistan. WHAT KIND OF INFORMATION WILL THESE PEOPLE HOLE THAT IS OF ANY USE???
I'm trying to figure out the purpose of Gitmo now...is it so that there's a place where the government can threaten to send people, a place that, despite soothing words from government whores to the contrary, is actually a sink of human depravity in the name of information gathering?
There are so many things wrong with our country since Gee Dubya became president. This is one of them. Take down my name, John Ashcroft, but I sincerely hope that Dubya and all his pals that approved of torture chambers get hauled before The Hague someday and have to explain themselves.
--signed, GOTV, it is our only hope
oh yeah...I've come up with what I think is the overarching theme of this administration....
"Bush Jihad"
oh yeah...I've come up with what I think is the overarching theme of this administration....
"Bush Jihad"
oh yeah...I've come up with what I think is the overarching theme of this administration....
"Bush Jihad"
Bush: "After standing on the stage, after the debates, I made it very plain - WE WILL NOT HAVE AN ALL VOLUNTEER ARMY. And yet this week - We will have an all-volunteer army. Let me restate that. We will not have a draft! No matter what my opponent tries to tell people and scare them, we will have an all volunteer army"
[Bush remarks - Daytona Beach, 10/16/04]
Bush: "After standing on the stage, after the debates, I made it very plain - WE WILL NOT HAVE AN ALL VOLUNTEER ARMY. And yet this week - We will have an all-volunteer army. Let me restate that. We will not have a draft! No matter what my opponent tries to tell people and scare them, we will have an all volunteer army"
[Bush remarks - Daytona Beach, 10/16/04]
Bush: "After standing on the stage, after the debates, I made it very plain - WE WILL NOT HAVE AN ALL VOLUNTEER ARMY. And yet this week - We will have an all-volunteer army. Let me restate that. We will not have a draft! No matter what my opponent tries to tell people and scare them, we will have an all volunteer army"
[Bush remarks - Daytona Beach, 10/16/04]
remember the story from gitmo of the army guy who posed undercover as a detainee in a cell for some idiotic reason,
It was for training, IIRC.
And that story kind of vanished down the memory hole, didn't it?
Nothin' to see here, nothin' to see....
remember the story from gitmo of the army guy who posed undercover as a detainee in a cell for some idiotic reason,
It was for training, IIRC.
And that story kind of vanished down the memory hole, didn't it?
Nothin' to see here, nothin' to see....
remember the story from gitmo of the army guy who posed undercover as a detainee in a cell for some idiotic reason,
It was for training, IIRC.
And that story kind of vanished down the memory hole, didn't it?
Nothin' to see here, nothin' to see....
These detentions makes me sicker than anything else this crew has done. We make the USSR look GOOD, by god--except we work on a snaller scale. Outrageous physical and phychological torture, prisoners murdered during "interrogation," their deaths covered up, and those who have been disappeared and don't appear on any lists. George Soros doth noth protest too much about the fascistic nature of this regime. You know what these pigs realized? We taught them so well in Argentina and Chile, let's use it ourselves. This is classic School for Americas outrage. BUT WHY ISN"T THIS ON THE FRONT PAGE?
These detentions makes me sicker than anything else this crew has done. We make the USSR look GOOD, by god--except we work on a snaller scale. Outrageous physical and phychological torture, prisoners murdered during "interrogation," their deaths covered up, and those who have been disappeared and don't appear on any lists. George Soros doth noth protest too much about the fascistic nature of this regime. You know what these pigs realized? We taught them so well in Argentina and Chile, let's use it ourselves. This is classic School for Americas outrage. BUT WHY ISN"T THIS ON THE FRONT PAGE?
These detentions makes me sicker than anything else this crew has done. We make the USSR look GOOD, by god--except we work on a snaller scale. Outrageous physical and phychological torture, prisoners murdered during "interrogation," their deaths covered up, and those who have been disappeared and don't appear on any lists. George Soros doth noth protest too much about the fascistic nature of this regime. You know what these pigs realized? We taught them so well in Argentina and Chile, let's use it ourselves. This is classic School for Americas outrage. BUT WHY ISN"T THIS ON THE FRONT PAGE?
remember the story from gitmo of the army guy who posed undercover as a detainee in a cell for some idiotic reason,
It was for training, IIRC.
And that story kind of vanished down the memory hole, didn't it?
Nothin' to see here, nothin' to see....
yeah, that's what i remember too.
i guess we're supposed to assume that if these guys had completed their training they would have been a little more effective in their beating, and killed him instead of not quite getting the job done.
'almost' doesn't count.
as far as 'the memory hole'... if it didn't exist, this administration would have been finished long ago. luckily for them, unluckily for us, this country is filled with Made-for-TV attention spans.
remember the story from gitmo of the army guy who posed undercover as a detainee in a cell for some idiotic reason,
It was for training, IIRC.
And that story kind of vanished down the memory hole, didn't it?
Nothin' to see here, nothin' to see....
yeah, that's what i remember too.
i guess we're supposed to assume that if these guys had completed their training they would have been a little more effective in their beating, and killed him instead of not quite getting the job done.
'almost' doesn't count.
as far as 'the memory hole'... if it didn't exist, this administration would have been finished long ago. luckily for them, unluckily for us, this country is filled with Made-for-TV attention spans.
remember the story from gitmo of the army guy who posed undercover as a detainee in a cell for some idiotic reason,
It was for training, IIRC.
And that story kind of vanished down the memory hole, didn't it?
Nothin' to see here, nothin' to see....
yeah, that's what i remember too.
i guess we're supposed to assume that if these guys had completed their training they would have been a little more effective in their beating, and killed him instead of not quite getting the job done.
'almost' doesn't count.
as far as 'the memory hole'... if it didn't exist, this administration would have been finished long ago. luckily for them, unluckily for us, this country is filled with Made-for-TV attention spans.
Tortured headline, too:
"Broad Use Cited of Harsh Tactics at Base in Cuba"
Key graf:
The Pentagon said the information gathered from the detainees "has undoubtedly saved the lives of our soldiers in the field. And that information also saves the lives of innocent civilians at home and abroad. At Guantánamo we are holding and interrogating people that are a clear danger to the U.S. and our allies and they are providing valuable information in the war on terrorism.''
So, we're all complicit because this "harsh" and "coercive" non-torture has saved our lives; and now, even if there's nothing more to be squeezed out of these empty husks, we can't let them go because they are a "clear danger to the U.S."
Sheer house-of-mirrors logic - pursue this to its logical conclusion, and Michelle Malkin gets the mass internment of her dreams.
Tortured headline, too:
"Broad Use Cited of Harsh Tactics at Base in Cuba"
Key graf:
The Pentagon said the information gathered from the detainees "has undoubtedly saved the lives of our soldiers in the field. And that information also saves the lives of innocent civilians at home and abroad. At Guantánamo we are holding and interrogating people that are a clear danger to the U.S. and our allies and they are providing valuable information in the war on terrorism.''
So, we're all complicit because this "harsh" and "coercive" non-torture has saved our lives; and now, even if there's nothing more to be squeezed out of these empty husks, we can't let them go because they are a "clear danger to the U.S."
Sheer house-of-mirrors logic - pursue this to its logical conclusion, and Michelle Malkin gets the mass internment of her dreams.
Tortured headline, too:
"Broad Use Cited of Harsh Tactics at Base in Cuba"
Key graf:
The Pentagon said the information gathered from the detainees "has undoubtedly saved the lives of our soldiers in the field. And that information also saves the lives of innocent civilians at home and abroad. At Guantánamo we are holding and interrogating people that are a clear danger to the U.S. and our allies and they are providing valuable information in the war on terrorism.''
So, we're all complicit because this "harsh" and "coercive" non-torture has saved our lives; and now, even if there's nothing more to be squeezed out of these empty husks, we can't let them go because they are a "clear danger to the U.S."
Sheer house-of-mirrors logic - pursue this to its logical conclusion, and Michelle Malkin gets the mass internment of her dreams.
The fucking crack whores can spend two days talking about cheney's fucking lesbian daughter, but can't report on this. I am sick, so very sick of the pathetic state of affairs in this country.
The fucking crack whores can spend two days talking about cheney's fucking lesbian daughter, but can't report on this. I am sick, so very sick of the pathetic state of affairs in this country.
The fucking crack whores can spend two days talking about cheney's fucking lesbian daughter, but can't report on this. I am sick, so very sick of the pathetic state of affairs in this country.
"...forcing them to endure strobe lights and screamingly loud rock and rap music played through two close loudspeakers, while the air- conditioning was turned up to maximum levels"
Sounds like my five years in college. Except the air conditioning in the clubs never worked.
"...forcing them to endure strobe lights and screamingly loud rock and rap music played through two close loudspeakers, while the air- conditioning was turned up to maximum levels"
Sounds like my five years in college. Except the air conditioning in the clubs never worked.
"...forcing them to endure strobe lights and screamingly loud rock and rap music played through two close loudspeakers, while the air- conditioning was turned up to maximum levels"
Sounds like my five years in college. Except the air conditioning in the clubs never worked.
Can anyone vouch for peemer?
I can vouch for peemer. Go ahead and listen, it's a good song....
Can anyone vouch for peemer?
I can vouch for peemer. Go ahead and listen, it's a good song....
Can anyone vouch for peemer?
I can vouch for peemer. Go ahead and listen, it's a good song....
A second Bush term and PATRIOT Act II will certainly lead to our own little Gitmoes all over the US. We're about one election and one terrorist attack away from a perpetual one-party system. Nov. 2 may be our last chance of stopping it.
I fear a repeal of the amendment limiting a president to two terms. Bush would be kind of the anti-FDR. Which is of course what his family has always wanted.
A second Bush term and PATRIOT Act II will certainly lead to our own little Gitmoes all over the US. We're about one election and one terrorist attack away from a perpetual one-party system. Nov. 2 may be our last chance of stopping it.
I fear a repeal of the amendment limiting a president to two terms. Bush would be kind of the anti-FDR. Which is of course what his family has always wanted.
A second Bush term and PATRIOT Act II will certainly lead to our own little Gitmoes all over the US. We're about one election and one terrorist attack away from a perpetual one-party system. Nov. 2 may be our last chance of stopping it.
I fear a repeal of the amendment limiting a president to two terms. Bush would be kind of the anti-FDR. Which is of course what his family has always wanted.
What I want to know is what happened to those videos from Abu Graib rape incidents that Hersh saw and said would find their way into the public domain before the election? We need to see them. Pronto.
What I want to know is what happened to those videos from Abu Graib rape incidents that Hersh saw and said would find their way into the public domain before the election? We need to see them. Pronto.
What I want to know is what happened to those videos from Abu Graib rape incidents that Hersh saw and said would find their way into the public domain before the election? We need to see them. Pronto.
If you were involved in perpetrating human rights abuses on fellow human beings, would you want to speak out about it? We already know that if you were still in the military, you would be arrested and charged with spying, aiding and abetting the enemy, adultery, etc, etc. It will be years, if ever, before the full extent of what the US has wrought becomes clearly known.
If you were involved in perpetrating human rights abuses on fellow human beings, would you want to speak out about it? We already know that if you were still in the military, you would be arrested and charged with spying, aiding and abetting the enemy, adultery, etc, etc. It will be years, if ever, before the full extent of what the US has wrought becomes clearly known.
If you were involved in perpetrating human rights abuses on fellow human beings, would you want to speak out about it? We already know that if you were still in the military, you would be arrested and charged with spying, aiding and abetting the enemy, adultery, etc, etc. It will be years, if ever, before the full extent of what the US has wrought becomes clearly known.
I'm rather appalled that none of the moderators in the debates thought that this was a sufficiently important issue that they would bother to ask a question about it.
Fucking losers.
And how did Sy Hersch's book disappear down the memory hole?
I'm rather appalled that none of the moderators in the debates thought that this was a sufficiently important issue that they would bother to ask a question about it.
Fucking losers.
And how did Sy Hersch's book disappear down the memory hole?
I'm rather appalled that none of the moderators in the debates thought that this was a sufficiently important issue that they would bother to ask a question about it.
Fucking losers.
And how did Sy Hersch's book disappear down the memory hole?
What I want to know is what happened to those videos from Abu Graib rape incidents that Hersh saw and said would find their way into the public domain before the election? We need to see them. Pronto.
Surprise.
What I want to know is what happened to those videos from Abu Graib rape incidents that Hersh saw and said would find their way into the public domain before the election? We need to see them. Pronto.
Surprise.
What I want to know is what happened to those videos from Abu Graib rape incidents that Hersh saw and said would find their way into the public domain before the election? We need to see them. Pronto.
Surprise.
And how did Sy Hersch's book disappear down the memory hole?
It's number 11 on the NYT bestseller list. NYT also has a long excerpt from the book in today's paper.
And how did Sy Hersch's book disappear down the memory hole?
It's number 11 on the NYT bestseller list. NYT also has a long excerpt from the book in today's paper.
And how did Sy Hersch's book disappear down the memory hole?
It's number 11 on the NYT bestseller list. NYT also has a long excerpt from the book in today's paper.
Sorry for the OT, but this seems to be related to aWol's inablility to handle REAL threats to the country:
(apologies if others are already on this)
Shaheen: Bush Knew Of Possible Flu Vaccine Shortage
POSTED: 1:29 pm EDT October 15, 2004
NORTH CONWAY, N.H. -- Former Gov. Jeanne Shaheen told a New Hampshire audience Friday that two government reports earlier in President George W. Bush's tenure advised of possible problems with flu-vaccine supplies.
Speaking in North Conway, Shaheen said the Bush administration did not prepare for problems despite the reports in 2001 and 2003.
Shaheen is national chairwoman of Democrat John Kerry's presidential campaign. She said Kerry will announce a program Saturday to help secure vaccine supplies in the future.
U.S. vaccine supplies were cut drastically last week because of contamination problems involving a British manufacturer.
Sorry for the OT, but this seems to be related to aWol's inablility to handle REAL threats to the country:
(apologies if others are already on this)
Shaheen: Bush Knew Of Possible Flu Vaccine Shortage
POSTED: 1:29 pm EDT October 15, 2004
NORTH CONWAY, N.H. -- Former Gov. Jeanne Shaheen told a New Hampshire audience Friday that two government reports earlier in President George W. Bush's tenure advised of possible problems with flu-vaccine supplies.
Speaking in North Conway, Shaheen said the Bush administration did not prepare for problems despite the reports in 2001 and 2003.
Shaheen is national chairwoman of Democrat John Kerry's presidential campaign. She said Kerry will announce a program Saturday to help secure vaccine supplies in the future.
U.S. vaccine supplies were cut drastically last week because of contamination problems involving a British manufacturer.
Sorry for the OT, but this seems to be related to aWol's inablility to handle REAL threats to the country:
(apologies if others are already on this)
Shaheen: Bush Knew Of Possible Flu Vaccine Shortage
POSTED: 1:29 pm EDT October 15, 2004
NORTH CONWAY, N.H. -- Former Gov. Jeanne Shaheen told a New Hampshire audience Friday that two government reports earlier in President George W. Bush's tenure advised of possible problems with flu-vaccine supplies.
Speaking in North Conway, Shaheen said the Bush administration did not prepare for problems despite the reports in 2001 and 2003.
Shaheen is national chairwoman of Democrat John Kerry's presidential campaign. She said Kerry will announce a program Saturday to help secure vaccine supplies in the future.
U.S. vaccine supplies were cut drastically last week because of contamination problems involving a British manufacturer.
As long as we're sharing Abu Ghira--Ghi-reh-- Ghi-rap-- atrocity stories (bad apple, anyone?), read THIS. It's from Le Monde (what, you thought it was a CNN special report with Judy Woodruff?)
The Last Woman Prisoner Released from Abu Ghraib Testifies to Tortures
http://tinyurl.com/6hkjk
As long as we're sharing Abu Ghira--Ghi-reh-- Ghi-rap-- atrocity stories (bad apple, anyone?), read THIS. It's from Le Monde (what, you thought it was a CNN special report with Judy Woodruff?)
The Last Woman Prisoner Released from Abu Ghraib Testifies to Tortures
http://tinyurl.com/6hkjk
As long as we're sharing Abu Ghira--Ghi-reh-- Ghi-rap-- atrocity stories (bad apple, anyone?), read THIS. It's from Le Monde (what, you thought it was a CNN special report with Judy Woodruff?)
The Last Woman Prisoner Released from Abu Ghraib Testifies to Tortures
http://tinyurl.com/6hkjk
Has anyone else seen "Going Upriver"? It's a great film, but there was one part of that completely unnerved me.
During the winter soldier conference (which was filmed) a slide is shown from Viet Nam of one of the men testifying. He's leaning over holding the edge of a body bag, showing off a dead body. He's smiling in the photo, just like the soldiers in the Abu Ghraib photos.
Deja vu all over again, as John Fogerty says.
Has anyone else seen "Going Upriver"? It's a great film, but there was one part of that completely unnerved me.
During the winter soldier conference (which was filmed) a slide is shown from Viet Nam of one of the men testifying. He's leaning over holding the edge of a body bag, showing off a dead body. He's smiling in the photo, just like the soldiers in the Abu Ghraib photos.
Deja vu all over again, as John Fogerty says.
Has anyone else seen "Going Upriver"? It's a great film, but there was one part of that completely unnerved me.
During the winter soldier conference (which was filmed) a slide is shown from Viet Nam of one of the men testifying. He's leaning over holding the edge of a body bag, showing off a dead body. He's smiling in the photo, just like the soldiers in the Abu Ghraib photos.
Deja vu all over again, as John Fogerty says.
"Those prisoners were also occasionally given milkshakes and hamburgers from the McDonald's on the base."
Now THAT'S torture.....
"Those prisoners were also occasionally given milkshakes and hamburgers from the McDonald's on the base."
Now THAT'S torture.....
"Those prisoners were also occasionally given milkshakes and hamburgers from the McDonald's on the base."
Now THAT'S torture.....
Can anyone tell me how to get back to America from here?
Roddy McCorley | Email | Homepage | 10.16.04 - 4:52 pm | #
no, it's lost.
still, i will vote kerry and hope we can find our way.
one of the things that pisses me off is the torture policy memo. the prexident unilaterally and preemptively absolves him self of guilt before the fact. abu ghraib was a direct result of this errant policy, but the part that pisses me off is that the president felt he could circumvent the constitution, overide the lands of the law. sure it would be easier for him if he was a dictator. oh, wait..
and did all hear of the women ejected from the oregon bush rally? for wearing t-shirts that said protect our civil rights.
Can anyone tell me how to get back to America from here?
Roddy McCorley | Email | Homepage | 10.16.04 - 4:52 pm | #
no, it's lost.
still, i will vote kerry and hope we can find our way.
one of the things that pisses me off is the torture policy memo. the prexident unilaterally and preemptively absolves him self of guilt before the fact. abu ghraib was a direct result of this errant policy, but the part that pisses me off is that the president felt he could circumvent the constitution, overide the lands of the law. sure it would be easier for him if he was a dictator. oh, wait..
and did all hear of the women ejected from the oregon bush rally? for wearing t-shirts that said protect our civil rights.
Can anyone tell me how to get back to America from here?
Roddy McCorley | Email | Homepage | 10.16.04 - 4:52 pm | #
no, it's lost.
still, i will vote kerry and hope we can find our way.
one of the things that pisses me off is the torture policy memo. the prexident unilaterally and preemptively absolves him self of guilt before the fact. abu ghraib was a direct result of this errant policy, but the part that pisses me off is that the president felt he could circumvent the constitution, overide the lands of the law. sure it would be easier for him if he was a dictator. oh, wait..
and did all hear of the women ejected from the oregon bush rally? for wearing t-shirts that said protect our civil rights.
Remember the pre-pubescent boys that were/are kidnapped and sent to Guantanamo? Are all of the detainees male? I don't think anyone has asked?
Remember the pre-pubescent boys that were/are kidnapped and sent to Guantanamo? Are all of the detainees male? I don't think anyone has asked?
Remember the pre-pubescent boys that were/are kidnapped and sent to Guantanamo? Are all of the detainees male? I don't think anyone has asked?
peemer, bubba, folks around here are a bit leery of strangers (as one who's not been around all that long himself), cuz the enemy has been known to plant their agents among us, to sow seeds of disaffection, inflict what chaos they can, in various ways.
Such a link as you provide could, in theory, be used as a conduit for some bit of foul, infectious code, couldn't it?
Well, ya gotta ask...This IS Bush's Murka, ya know??? Paranoids have REAL enemies, too, right?
peemer, bubba, folks around here are a bit leery of strangers (as one who's not been around all that long himself), cuz the enemy has been known to plant their agents among us, to sow seeds of disaffection, inflict what chaos they can, in various ways.
Such a link as you provide could, in theory, be used as a conduit for some bit of foul, infectious code, couldn't it?
Well, ya gotta ask...This IS Bush's Murka, ya know??? Paranoids have REAL enemies, too, right?
peemer, bubba, folks around here are a bit leery of strangers (as one who's not been around all that long himself), cuz the enemy has been known to plant their agents among us, to sow seeds of disaffection, inflict what chaos they can, in various ways.
Such a link as you provide could, in theory, be used as a conduit for some bit of foul, infectious code, couldn't it?
Well, ya gotta ask...This IS Bush's Murka, ya know??? Paranoids have REAL enemies, too, right?
The sad irony about "24" is that Jack Bauer spent the second half of Season 2 risking his life to prevent the United States from launching a war based on false information. This storyline was filmed and aired as our forces rumbled through Baghdad.
The sad irony about "24" is that Jack Bauer spent the second half of Season 2 risking his life to prevent the United States from launching a war based on false information. This storyline was filmed and aired as our forces rumbled through Baghdad.
The sad irony about "24" is that Jack Bauer spent the second half of Season 2 risking his life to prevent the United States from launching a war based on false information. This storyline was filmed and aired as our forces rumbled through Baghdad.
Remember the pre-pubescent boys that were/are kidnapped and sent to Guantanamo? Are all of the detainees male?
Three or four teenagers were released a few months ago. Fortunately for them, they were only sodomized repeatedly and not beaten to death or to within inches of their lives.
Remember the pre-pubescent boys that were/are kidnapped and sent to Guantanamo? Are all of the detainees male?
Three or four teenagers were released a few months ago. Fortunately for them, they were only sodomized repeatedly and not beaten to death or to within inches of their lives.
Remember the pre-pubescent boys that were/are kidnapped and sent to Guantanamo? Are all of the detainees male?
Three or four teenagers were released a few months ago. Fortunately for them, they were only sodomized repeatedly and not beaten to death or to within inches of their lives.
Tow:
Everybody I ever knew in Nam, and everybody I ever knew who'd been there, had or had vivid memories of seeing such photographs. And not just one, but dozens, hundreds...
A lot of guys bragged about sending such fotos home, though i suspect they were caught by censors...
man...it was 35 years ago and I remember them like yesterday... but i cant find my keys...
Tow:
Everybody I ever knew in Nam, and everybody I ever knew who'd been there, had or had vivid memories of seeing such photographs. And not just one, but dozens, hundreds...
A lot of guys bragged about sending such fotos home, though i suspect they were caught by censors...
man...it was 35 years ago and I remember them like yesterday... but i cant find my keys...
Tow:
Everybody I ever knew in Nam, and everybody I ever knew who'd been there, had or had vivid memories of seeing such photographs. And not just one, but dozens, hundreds...
A lot of guys bragged about sending such fotos home, though i suspect they were caught by censors...
man...it was 35 years ago and I remember them like yesterday... but i cant find my keys...
Not bad, peemer! Are you planning a lot of ambient-style music?
For variation or foundation, you might want to get a simple drum track in there, and an occasional solo from another instrument. But it sounds good, and it's quite promising.
Not bad, peemer! Are you planning a lot of ambient-style music?
For variation or foundation, you might want to get a simple drum track in there, and an occasional solo from another instrument. But it sounds good, and it's quite promising.
Not bad, peemer! Are you planning a lot of ambient-style music?
For variation or foundation, you might want to get a simple drum track in there, and an occasional solo from another instrument. But it sounds good, and it's quite promising.
ok, now youre vouchsafed
ok, now youre vouchsafed
ok, now youre vouchsafed
Old hat, I just saw that.
About fucking time. I'm still astonished that the allegations (which I believe) in the book didn't cause and out and out firestorm.
Well, okay, maybe I'm not so astonished. Fucking media whores.
Old hat, I just saw that.
About fucking time. I'm still astonished that the allegations (which I believe) in the book didn't cause and out and out firestorm.
Well, okay, maybe I'm not so astonished. Fucking media whores.
Old hat, I just saw that.
About fucking time. I'm still astonished that the allegations (which I believe) in the book didn't cause and out and out firestorm.
Well, okay, maybe I'm not so astonished. Fucking media whores.
I'd like to suggest that if Bush wants a second term, we give him one.
In Leavenworth.
I'd like to suggest that if Bush wants a second term, we give him one.
In Leavenworth.
I'd like to suggest that if Bush wants a second term, we give him one.
In Leavenworth.
From Crowther's piece: "Ariel Sharon, that vile tub of blood . . ."
Best description of Sharon I've ever read.
From Crowther's piece: "Ariel Sharon, that vile tub of blood . . ."
Best description of Sharon I've ever read.
From Crowther's piece: "Ariel Sharon, that vile tub of blood . . ."
Best description of Sharon I've ever read.
Chain of Command by Sy Hersh, American Hero, on various bestseller lists:
Amazon.com (as sold by Amazon.com): 57 (beaten by such books as "the five people you meet in Heaven by Bitch Almom and Children's book "Counting Kises")
Barnes & Noble (as sold by the store): 50
USA Today (nationally): 98 (peak position 35, 4 weeks on chart)
oy.
could possibly maybe perhaps Atrios plug this one, since he's plugged so many and Hersh has the disadvantage of coming out after many others?
Chain of Command by Sy Hersh, American Hero, on various bestseller lists:
Amazon.com (as sold by Amazon.com): 57 (beaten by such books as "the five people you meet in Heaven by Bitch Almom and Children's book "Counting Kises")
Barnes & Noble (as sold by the store): 50
USA Today (nationally): 98 (peak position 35, 4 weeks on chart)
oy.
could possibly maybe perhaps Atrios plug this one, since he's plugged so many and Hersh has the disadvantage of coming out after many others?
Chain of Command by Sy Hersh, American Hero, on various bestseller lists:
Amazon.com (as sold by Amazon.com): 57 (beaten by such books as "the five people you meet in Heaven by Bitch Almom and Children's book "Counting Kises")
Barnes & Noble (as sold by the store): 50
USA Today (nationally): 98 (peak position 35, 4 weeks on chart)
oy.
could possibly maybe perhaps Atrios plug this one, since he's plugged so many and Hersh has the disadvantage of coming out after many others?
The NY Times online edition has a harrowing article today about prison torture in the other totalitarian state we all know and love (Texas, natch). It's crazy to think we're going to treat prisoners of war any better than we'd treat our own.
Anybody familiar with Philip Zimbardo's prison experiment?
The NY Times online edition has a harrowing article today about prison torture in the other totalitarian state we all know and love (Texas, natch). It's crazy to think we're going to treat prisoners of war any better than we'd treat our own.
Anybody familiar with Philip Zimbardo's prison experiment?
The NY Times online edition has a harrowing article today about prison torture in the other totalitarian state we all know and love (Texas, natch). It's crazy to think we're going to treat prisoners of war any better than we'd treat our own.
Anybody familiar with Philip Zimbardo's prison experiment?
Have I mentioned hating these fuckers today?
Have I mentioned hating these fuckers today?
Have I mentioned hating these fuckers today?
Prison study, or http://www.prisonexp.org/
Prison study, or http://www.prisonexp.org/
Prison study, or http://www.prisonexp.org/
Wasn't there a lawyer who was getting on Rumsfeld's case, asking him if his testimony would be more credible after a little good old-fashioned playful torture?
Wasn't there a lawyer who was getting on Rumsfeld's case, asking him if his testimony would be more credible after a little good old-fashioned playful torture?
Wasn't there a lawyer who was getting on Rumsfeld's case, asking him if his testimony would be more credible after a little good old-fashioned playful torture?
overide the lands of the law. sure it would be easier for him if he was a dictator. oh, wait..
god, i'm so embarrassed, sometimes i sound just like president dumbass. fortunately i'm not president, unfortunately,....
overide the lands of the law. sure it would be easier for him if he was a dictator. oh, wait..
god, i'm so embarrassed, sometimes i sound just like president dumbass. fortunately i'm not president, unfortunately,....
overide the lands of the law. sure it would be easier for him if he was a dictator. oh, wait..
god, i'm so embarrassed, sometimes i sound just like president dumbass. fortunately i'm not president, unfortunately,....
Philip Zimbardo's prison experiment?
yes, but it's the other one, can't remember the name. subjects are asked by experimenter to shock subject 2 everytime he gives an erroneous responce. starts at like 50 volts, harmless, ends with 450 volts. many went all the way. Milham(?). people have some strange hangups about authority. me too.
Speak Truth to Power
Philip Zimbardo's prison experiment?
yes, but it's the other one, can't remember the name. subjects are asked by experimenter to shock subject 2 everytime he gives an erroneous responce. starts at like 50 volts, harmless, ends with 450 volts. many went all the way. Milham(?). people have some strange hangups about authority. me too.
Speak Truth to Power
Philip Zimbardo's prison experiment?
yes, but it's the other one, can't remember the name. subjects are asked by experimenter to shock subject 2 everytime he gives an erroneous responce. starts at like 50 volts, harmless, ends with 450 volts. many went all the way. Milham(?). people have some strange hangups about authority. me too.
Speak Truth to Power
I'll vouch that Peemer's "song" is nothing of the sort. The correct term would be "interminable, unstructured, incompetant noodling on a keyboard."
I'll vouch that Peemer's "song" is nothing of the sort. The correct term would be "interminable, unstructured, incompetant noodling on a keyboard."
I'll vouch that Peemer's "song" is nothing of the sort. The correct term would be "interminable, unstructured, incompetant noodling on a keyboard."
Well I wouldn't buy no merchandise
And I wouldn't go to war
And I mixed with other colours
But the nurse doesn't care
And I hide under blankets
Or did I run away
I really can't remember
Last time I saw the light of day
But I remember Sam 'cause he was like me
CHORUS
Scream like a baby
Sam was a gun
And I never knew his last name
And we never had no fun
Well they came down hard on the faggots
And they came down hard on the street
They came down harder on Sam
And they all knew he was beat
He was thrown into the wagon
Blindfolded, chains, and they stomped on us
And took away our clothes and things
And pumped us full of strange drugs
And oh I saw Sam falling
Spitting in their eyes
But now I lay me down to sleep
And now I close my eyes
Now I'm learning to be a part of soc-society
CHORUS
No athletic program, no discipline, no book
He just sat in the backseat swearing he'd seek revenge
But he jumped into the furnace
Singing old songs we loved
Scream like a baby
Sam was a gun
And I never knew his last name
And we never had no fun
- David Bowie, Scary Monsters and Super Creeps
Well I wouldn't buy no merchandise
And I wouldn't go to war
And I mixed with other colours
But the nurse doesn't care
And I hide under blankets
Or did I run away
I really can't remember
Last time I saw the light of day
But I remember Sam 'cause he was like me
CHORUS
Scream like a baby
Sam was a gun
And I never knew his last name
And we never had no fun
Well they came down hard on the faggots
And they came down hard on the street
They came down harder on Sam
And they all knew he was beat
He was thrown into the wagon
Blindfolded, chains, and they stomped on us
And took away our clothes and things
And pumped us full of strange drugs
And oh I saw Sam falling
Spitting in their eyes
But now I lay me down to sleep
And now I close my eyes
Now I'm learning to be a part of soc-society
CHORUS
No athletic program, no discipline, no book
He just sat in the backseat swearing he'd seek revenge
But he jumped into the furnace
Singing old songs we loved
Scream like a baby
Sam was a gun
And I never knew his last name
And we never had no fun
- David Bowie, Scary Monsters and Super Creeps
Well I wouldn't buy no merchandise
And I wouldn't go to war
And I mixed with other colours
But the nurse doesn't care
And I hide under blankets
Or did I run away
I really can't remember
Last time I saw the light of day
But I remember Sam 'cause he was like me
CHORUS
Scream like a baby
Sam was a gun
And I never knew his last name
And we never had no fun
Well they came down hard on the faggots
And they came down hard on the street
They came down harder on Sam
And they all knew he was beat
He was thrown into the wagon
Blindfolded, chains, and they stomped on us
And took away our clothes and things
And pumped us full of strange drugs
And oh I saw Sam falling
Spitting in their eyes
But now I lay me down to sleep
And now I close my eyes
Now I'm learning to be a part of soc-society
CHORUS
No athletic program, no discipline, no book
He just sat in the backseat swearing he'd seek revenge
But he jumped into the furnace
Singing old songs we loved
Scream like a baby
Sam was a gun
And I never knew his last name
And we never had no fun
- David Bowie, Scary Monsters and Super Creeps
This is really wierd.
Heads are being sawed off on a regular basis. Children are being shot and knifed to death. Plans are being drawn up for the deaths of inocents, possible your own loved ones.
And you are upset because people where made to sit in a cold room and listen to hard rock?
This is really wierd.
Heads are being sawed off on a regular basis. Children are being shot and knifed to death. Plans are being drawn up for the deaths of inocents, possible your own loved ones.
And you are upset because people where made to sit in a cold room and listen to hard rock?
This is really wierd.
Heads are being sawed off on a regular basis. Children are being shot and knifed to death. Plans are being drawn up for the deaths of inocents, possible your own loved ones.
And you are upset because people where made to sit in a cold room and listen to hard rock?
Charley, that was Stanley Milgram's obedience study.
or stanleymilgram.com/references.html
And it pretty much showed that almost all of us, even well-meaning intelligent people, have hangups about authority. Scary stuff.
Of course, it was inspired by the Nuremburg Trials--"I was only following orders". Still relevant today, particularly with the possible mini-mutiny in Iraq yesterday.
Charley, that was Stanley Milgram's obedience study.
or stanleymilgram.com/references.html
And it pretty much showed that almost all of us, even well-meaning intelligent people, have hangups about authority. Scary stuff.
Of course, it was inspired by the Nuremburg Trials--"I was only following orders". Still relevant today, particularly with the possible mini-mutiny in Iraq yesterday.
Charley, that was Stanley Milgram's obedience study.
or stanleymilgram.com/references.html
And it pretty much showed that almost all of us, even well-meaning intelligent people, have hangups about authority. Scary stuff.
Of course, it was inspired by the Nuremburg Trials--"I was only following orders". Still relevant today, particularly with the possible mini-mutiny in Iraq yesterday.
Neighborhoods are being levelled. Minor threats are responded to by massive area target weapons and artillery barrages against heavily populated areas all but guaranteed to not include the culprits. Children are being shot to death. Children are being sodomized. Children are being used to break their parents. Plans are being drawn up for the deaths of innocents, possible your own loved ones. After a massive terror strike the government is doing nothing to defend us and is indeed in quite the opposite direction endangering us and destabilizing the world. And when anyone brings it up, the guilty party is assumed to bne the comlainer or the victim.
And you rightist chickenhawks are upset because people who come back from the war haven't had their memories erased?
Neighborhoods are being levelled. Minor threats are responded to by massive area target weapons and artillery barrages against heavily populated areas all but guaranteed to not include the culprits. Children are being shot to death. Children are being sodomized. Children are being used to break their parents. Plans are being drawn up for the deaths of innocents, possible your own loved ones. After a massive terror strike the government is doing nothing to defend us and is indeed in quite the opposite direction endangering us and destabilizing the world. And when anyone brings it up, the guilty party is assumed to bne the comlainer or the victim.
And you rightist chickenhawks are upset because people who come back from the war haven't had their memories erased?
Neighborhoods are being levelled. Minor threats are responded to by massive area target weapons and artillery barrages against heavily populated areas all but guaranteed to not include the culprits. Children are being shot to death. Children are being sodomized. Children are being used to break their parents. Plans are being drawn up for the deaths of innocents, possible your own loved ones. After a massive terror strike the government is doing nothing to defend us and is indeed in quite the opposite direction endangering us and destabilizing the world. And when anyone brings it up, the guilty party is assumed to bne the comlainer or the victim.
And you rightist chickenhawks are upset because people who come back from the war haven't had their memories erased?
Oops.
By the way, the study itself proved to be so traumatic to many of the people who realized they could have killed someone that Milgram\Yale had to pay for therapy for some of them.
Oops.
By the way, the study itself proved to be so traumatic to many of the people who realized they could have killed someone that Milgram\Yale had to pay for therapy for some of them.
Oops.
By the way, the study itself proved to be so traumatic to many of the people who realized they could have killed someone that Milgram\Yale had to pay for therapy for some of them.
Atrios - here is another reason you should be even angrier:
Prisoner interrogations at Guantánamo Bay, the controversial US military detention centre where guards have been accused of brutality and torture, have not prevented a single terrorist attack, according to a senior Pentagon intelligence officer who worked at the heart of the US war on terror.
This is from an article in The Observer that appeared two weeks ago but does not seem to have been picked up in the US media.
Atrios - here is another reason you should be even angrier:
Prisoner interrogations at Guantánamo Bay, the controversial US military detention centre where guards have been accused of brutality and torture, have not prevented a single terrorist attack, according to a senior Pentagon intelligence officer who worked at the heart of the US war on terror.
This is from an article in The Observer that appeared two weeks ago but does not seem to have been picked up in the US media.
Atrios - here is another reason you should be even angrier:
Prisoner interrogations at Guantánamo Bay, the controversial US military detention centre where guards have been accused of brutality and torture, have not prevented a single terrorist attack, according to a senior Pentagon intelligence officer who worked at the heart of the US war on terror.
This is from an article in The Observer that appeared two weeks ago but does not seem to have been picked up in the US media.
Dem - what about all the Iraqi and Palestinian children that are being bombed and blasted to death? What about the plans being drawn up by the American and Israeli military for the death of innocents?
Dem - what about all the Iraqi and Palestinian children that are being bombed and blasted to death? What about the plans being drawn up by the American and Israeli military for the death of innocents?
Dem - what about all the Iraqi and Palestinian children that are being bombed and blasted to death? What about the plans being drawn up by the American and Israeli military for the death of innocents?
We're way too busy worrying about embryos to be concerned about the post-born.
We're way too busy worrying about embryos to be concerned about the post-born.
We're way too busy worrying about embryos to be concerned about the post-born.
Bush is teh suck!!
quit whining, vote for Kerry
Bush is teh suck!!
quit whining, vote for Kerry
Bush is teh suck!!
quit whining, vote for Kerry
I think it's important to note that the only real argument for torture is that it will save lives down the line. However, you never know the information will save lives until AFTER you torure them. If you ever know for a fact that someone knows something that will save lives, you already know enough to save those lives yourself.
Let's not forget; Torture takes time, and I don't mean 5 hours. I mean a long time.
There is no case for torture. Period.
I think it's important to note that the only real argument for torture is that it will save lives down the line. However, you never know the information will save lives until AFTER you torure them. If you ever know for a fact that someone knows something that will save lives, you already know enough to save those lives yourself.
Let's not forget; Torture takes time, and I don't mean 5 hours. I mean a long time.
There is no case for torture. Period.
I think it's important to note that the only real argument for torture is that it will save lives down the line. However, you never know the information will save lives until AFTER you torure them. If you ever know for a fact that someone knows something that will save lives, you already know enough to save those lives yourself.
Let's not forget; Torture takes time, and I don't mean 5 hours. I mean a long time.
There is no case for torture. Period.
..."the Guantánamo sources said it included the bands Limp Bizkit and Rage Against the Machine, and the rapper Eminem - and lights clearly constituted torture. 'I don't think there's any question that treatment of that character satisfies the severe pain and suffering requirement, be it physical or mental, that is provided for in the Convention Against Torture,' Mr. Sheffer said."
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Limp Bizkit?
My God.
Now THAT is torture.
..."the Guantánamo sources said it included the bands Limp Bizkit and Rage Against the Machine, and the rapper Eminem - and lights clearly constituted torture. 'I don't think there's any question that treatment of that character satisfies the severe pain and suffering requirement, be it physical or mental, that is provided for in the Convention Against Torture,' Mr. Sheffer said."
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Limp Bizkit?
My God.
Now THAT is torture.
..."the Guantánamo sources said it included the bands Limp Bizkit and Rage Against the Machine, and the rapper Eminem - and lights clearly constituted torture. 'I don't think there's any question that treatment of that character satisfies the severe pain and suffering requirement, be it physical or mental, that is provided for in the Convention Against Torture,' Mr. Sheffer said."
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Limp Bizkit?
My God.
Now THAT is torture.
So interesting site, thanks!
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