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"This bunch of clowns can be trusted to understand the seriousness of the possibility."
Err, Atrios....
"This bunch of clowns can be trusted to understand the seriousness of the possibility."
Err, Atrios....
"This bunch of clowns can be trusted to understand the seriousness of the possibility."
Err, Atrios....
About 36,000 people died from the flu last year in the United States. That's ten 9/11s each year. Except they're most old and poor people, so who really gives a shit, right?
Interesting diary on Kos about the flu and the election.
About 36,000 people died from the flu last year in the United States. That's ten 9/11s each year. Except they're most old and poor people, so who really gives a shit, right?
Interesting diary on Kos about the flu and the election.
About 36,000 people died from the flu last year in the United States. That's ten 9/11s each year. Except they're most old and poor people, so who really gives a shit, right?
Interesting diary on Kos about the flu and the election.
BRAVO!! This is right out of the park! I hope it plays in every state!
BRAVO!! This is right out of the park! I hope it plays in every state!
BRAVO!! This is right out of the park! I hope it plays in every state!
This is a serious question. Did Health and Human Services just find out that there wouldn't be enough flu vaccine or did they know months in advance? I would think testing of vaccines are pretty strenous and wouldn't be done so close to testing. Does anyone know how testing is done and what is the notification period?
OT:
Going Up River would be a perfect rebuttal to the Swift Boat movie. This movie answers everything you would possible want to know about John Kerry and Vietnam. I hope George Butler consents to have it shown on t.v. It is a really powerful movie. If you haven't downloaded it, please do and send it to your friends.
This is a serious question. Did Health and Human Services just find out that there wouldn't be enough flu vaccine or did they know months in advance? I would think testing of vaccines are pretty strenous and wouldn't be done so close to testing. Does anyone know how testing is done and what is the notification period?
OT:
Going Up River would be a perfect rebuttal to the Swift Boat movie. This movie answers everything you would possible want to know about John Kerry and Vietnam. I hope George Butler consents to have it shown on t.v. It is a really powerful movie. If you haven't downloaded it, please do and send it to your friends.
This is a serious question. Did Health and Human Services just find out that there wouldn't be enough flu vaccine or did they know months in advance? I would think testing of vaccines are pretty strenous and wouldn't be done so close to testing. Does anyone know how testing is done and what is the notification period?
OT:
Going Up River would be a perfect rebuttal to the Swift Boat movie. This movie answers everything you would possible want to know about John Kerry and Vietnam. I hope George Butler consents to have it shown on t.v. It is a really powerful movie. If you haven't downloaded it, please do and send it to your friends.
In addition to logistical improvements to assure the vaccine supply, basic research is necessary to reduce the lead-time in vaccine production so that we can deal with the truly unexpected. Today we are sitting ducks for a 1918 repeat, and it could be much worse.
In addition to logistical improvements to assure the vaccine supply, basic research is necessary to reduce the lead-time in vaccine production so that we can deal with the truly unexpected. Today we are sitting ducks for a 1918 repeat, and it could be much worse.
In addition to logistical improvements to assure the vaccine supply, basic research is necessary to reduce the lead-time in vaccine production so that we can deal with the truly unexpected. Today we are sitting ducks for a 1918 repeat, and it could be much worse.
Source for the 36,000 deaths figure.
Source for the 36,000 deaths figure.
Source for the 36,000 deaths figure.
It's very, very important to old folks, and they and their kids will pay attention to this ad.
It's very, very important to old folks, and they and their kids will pay attention to this ad.
It's very, very important to old folks, and they and their kids will pay attention to this ad.
OT:
Check it:
"Mary's Silence On Lesbian Squabble
(Washington) 365Gay.com has learned that the GOP outrage over Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry's remarks about Mary Cheney may have been orchestrated by Mary herself."
It was at the top of Google News' page.
Read the story. It even brings up when Alan Keyes said even worse about Mary Cheney and you didn't hear anything from the Cheney's about some of the harsh things which he said.
Heck. You don't hear anything about Keyes calling Mary Cheney a "selfish hedonist" even as Kerry mentioned the "L" word (oh. the frickin horror. the "L" word.) So someone ought to call the Cheney's out on this. And, Kerry should condemn what Keyes said for good measure. Get out in front of the issue. Now.
OT:
Check it:
"Mary's Silence On Lesbian Squabble
(Washington) 365Gay.com has learned that the GOP outrage over Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry's remarks about Mary Cheney may have been orchestrated by Mary herself."
It was at the top of Google News' page.
Read the story. It even brings up when Alan Keyes said even worse about Mary Cheney and you didn't hear anything from the Cheney's about some of the harsh things which he said.
Heck. You don't hear anything about Keyes calling Mary Cheney a "selfish hedonist" even as Kerry mentioned the "L" word (oh. the frickin horror. the "L" word.) So someone ought to call the Cheney's out on this. And, Kerry should condemn what Keyes said for good measure. Get out in front of the issue. Now.
OT:
Check it:
"Mary's Silence On Lesbian Squabble
(Washington) 365Gay.com has learned that the GOP outrage over Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry's remarks about Mary Cheney may have been orchestrated by Mary herself."
It was at the top of Google News' page.
Read the story. It even brings up when Alan Keyes said even worse about Mary Cheney and you didn't hear anything from the Cheney's about some of the harsh things which he said.
Heck. You don't hear anything about Keyes calling Mary Cheney a "selfish hedonist" even as Kerry mentioned the "L" word (oh. the frickin horror. the "L" word.) So someone ought to call the Cheney's out on this. And, Kerry should condemn what Keyes said for good measure. Get out in front of the issue. Now.
Sure, it is cynical for Kerry to call out Keyes (w/o bring up Keyes' own daughter, of course) but it could sorta be a Sister Souljah moment for him if he condemns real hateful speech instead of the fake hate speech the Repugnicans are accusing him of now. Well, this weekend.
Sure, it is cynical for Kerry to call out Keyes (w/o bring up Keyes' own daughter, of course) but it could sorta be a Sister Souljah moment for him if he condemns real hateful speech instead of the fake hate speech the Repugnicans are accusing him of now. Well, this weekend.
Sure, it is cynical for Kerry to call out Keyes (w/o bring up Keyes' own daughter, of course) but it could sorta be a Sister Souljah moment for him if he condemns real hateful speech instead of the fake hate speech the Repugnicans are accusing him of now. Well, this weekend.
It's about killing all the old people. They are all supposed to line up outside the supermarket for 5 hours. That will be sure to take a few years off their life. What is going on here?
It's about killing all the old people. They are all supposed to line up outside the supermarket for 5 hours. That will be sure to take a few years off their life. What is going on here?
It's about killing all the old people. They are all supposed to line up outside the supermarket for 5 hours. That will be sure to take a few years off their life. What is going on here?
The next step is to raise more question of public health preparedness in terror-related issues, particularly involving small-pox vaccine and other biological agents.
The next step is to raise more question of public health preparedness in terror-related issues, particularly involving small-pox vaccine and other biological agents.
The next step is to raise more question of public health preparedness in terror-related issues, particularly involving small-pox vaccine and other biological agents.
Going Up River would be a perfect rebuttal to the Swift Boat movie. This movie answers everything you would possible want to know about John Kerry and Vietnam. I hope George Butler consents to have it shown on t.v. It is a really powerful movie. If you haven't downloaded it, please do and send it to your friends. Monica A | Email | Homepage | 10.16.04 - 6:24 pm | #
Perhaps the entire Sinclair surprise is intended to offset the DVD release (Tuesday) of Going Upriver. Let's make that strategy backfire by following Monica's advice.
Going Up River would be a perfect rebuttal to the Swift Boat movie. This movie answers everything you would possible want to know about John Kerry and Vietnam. I hope George Butler consents to have it shown on t.v. It is a really powerful movie. If you haven't downloaded it, please do and send it to your friends. Monica A | Email | Homepage | 10.16.04 - 6:24 pm | #
Perhaps the entire Sinclair surprise is intended to offset the DVD release (Tuesday) of Going Upriver. Let's make that strategy backfire by following Monica's advice.
Going Up River would be a perfect rebuttal to the Swift Boat movie. This movie answers everything you would possible want to know about John Kerry and Vietnam. I hope George Butler consents to have it shown on t.v. It is a really powerful movie. If you haven't downloaded it, please do and send it to your friends. Monica A | Email | Homepage | 10.16.04 - 6:24 pm | #
Perhaps the entire Sinclair surprise is intended to offset the DVD release (Tuesday) of Going Upriver. Let's make that strategy backfire by following Monica's advice.
>BRAVO!! This is right out of the park! I hope it plays in every state!
I agree! Great ad.
John Kerry is the closer who has the political instincts to win.
>BRAVO!! This is right out of the park! I hope it plays in every state!
I agree! Great ad.
John Kerry is the closer who has the political instincts to win.
>BRAVO!! This is right out of the park! I hope it plays in every state!
I agree! Great ad.
John Kerry is the closer who has the political instincts to win.
This definitely plays in Peoria. They can't get us flu vaccine, and they want us to trust them to protect us from anthrax? They don't obviously don't care about us peons.
This definitely plays in Peoria. They can't get us flu vaccine, and they want us to trust them to protect us from anthrax? They don't obviously don't care about us peons.
This definitely plays in Peoria. They can't get us flu vaccine, and they want us to trust them to protect us from anthrax? They don't obviously don't care about us peons.
Am I alone in thinking that this ad is all over the place?
It would be much more forceful if it simply stated what everyone knows, there's a flu-shot crisis, and then went on to say Bush has caused it and finish with footage of Bush's advice during the debate: "Don't get a flu shot."
I know they're not supposed to use debate footage, but fuck it, the gloves are off now. How badly do you want it?
Am I alone in thinking that this ad is all over the place?
It would be much more forceful if it simply stated what everyone knows, there's a flu-shot crisis, and then went on to say Bush has caused it and finish with footage of Bush's advice during the debate: "Don't get a flu shot."
I know they're not supposed to use debate footage, but fuck it, the gloves are off now. How badly do you want it?
Am I alone in thinking that this ad is all over the place?
It would be much more forceful if it simply stated what everyone knows, there's a flu-shot crisis, and then went on to say Bush has caused it and finish with footage of Bush's advice during the debate: "Don't get a flu shot."
I know they're not supposed to use debate footage, but fuck it, the gloves are off now. How badly do you want it?
I say we ditch Hoover and start trotting out a new line: "First president since Wilson to preside over a flu pandemic."
Unfortunately, by the time people start keeling over, the election will have been decided. I bet if Bush loses, he'll be body-checking grandmas out of the flu shot lines on Nov. 3rd.
I say we ditch Hoover and start trotting out a new line: "First president since Wilson to preside over a flu pandemic."
Unfortunately, by the time people start keeling over, the election will have been decided. I bet if Bush loses, he'll be body-checking grandmas out of the flu shot lines on Nov. 3rd.
I say we ditch Hoover and start trotting out a new line: "First president since Wilson to preside over a flu pandemic."
Unfortunately, by the time people start keeling over, the election will have been decided. I bet if Bush loses, he'll be body-checking grandmas out of the flu shot lines on Nov. 3rd.
Add to the vaccine shortage the truth that public health is vastly underfunded at almost every level in this country = federal, state, county, and city.
Only a handful of the major cities in this country are prepared to deal with a full scale public health crisis.
Of course, maybe it's all just because we are part of the "reality-based community." If we just drank the koolaid and jumped on the Bushco traveling snake oil and faith healing circus caravan, we wouldn't care.
Add to the vaccine shortage the truth that public health is vastly underfunded at almost every level in this country = federal, state, county, and city.
Only a handful of the major cities in this country are prepared to deal with a full scale public health crisis.
Of course, maybe it's all just because we are part of the "reality-based community." If we just drank the koolaid and jumped on the Bushco traveling snake oil and faith healing circus caravan, we wouldn't care.
Add to the vaccine shortage the truth that public health is vastly underfunded at almost every level in this country = federal, state, county, and city.
Only a handful of the major cities in this country are prepared to deal with a full scale public health crisis.
Of course, maybe it's all just because we are part of the "reality-based community." If we just drank the koolaid and jumped on the Bushco traveling snake oil and faith healing circus caravan, we wouldn't care.
May not resonate much for you, but it does for me. Particularly without insurance and with heating costs reaching all-time highs, this is big.
Here's something I wrote on the flu vaccine yesterday.
May not resonate much for you, but it does for me. Particularly without insurance and with heating costs reaching all-time highs, this is big.
Here's something I wrote on the flu vaccine yesterday.
May not resonate much for you, but it does for me. Particularly without insurance and with heating costs reaching all-time highs, this is big.
Here's something I wrote on the flu vaccine yesterday.
i hear this issue has resonance here in fla. more interestingly i just watched a cnn international report describing how pissed cubans are about bush's travel restriction. apparently many have registered democratic. blowback is a bitch.
i hear this issue has resonance here in fla. more interestingly i just watched a cnn international report describing how pissed cubans are about bush's travel restriction. apparently many have registered democratic. blowback is a bitch.
i hear this issue has resonance here in fla. more interestingly i just watched a cnn international report describing how pissed cubans are about bush's travel restriction. apparently many have registered democratic. blowback is a bitch.
What is facinating is up to a week ago you'd think from listening to this administration that all drugs from Canada are poison -- but all of a sudden it's OK to get flu vacine from Canada -- where in the he!! is the press?? Why are they so entranced with this giy that they NEVER question him.
What is facinating is up to a week ago you'd think from listening to this administration that all drugs from Canada are poison -- but all of a sudden it's OK to get flu vacine from Canada -- where in the he!! is the press?? Why are they so entranced with this giy that they NEVER question him.
What is facinating is up to a week ago you'd think from listening to this administration that all drugs from Canada are poison -- but all of a sudden it's OK to get flu vacine from Canada -- where in the he!! is the press?? Why are they so entranced with this giy that they NEVER question him.
It may be we need a few 100k of geezers to peg it in a flu pandemic to make the point about the public health system. But this will not happen before Nov. 2.
It may be we need a few 100k of geezers to peg it in a flu pandemic to make the point about the public health system. But this will not happen before Nov. 2.
It may be we need a few 100k of geezers to peg it in a flu pandemic to make the point about the public health system. But this will not happen before Nov. 2.
I just read an article,at D/Kos,that said the companies that make the vaccine were not making enough money on it.So the government made an agreement that they would push the public into believeing that flu shots were critical to the long term healthcare of seniors.
Tinfoil hats are not unnecessary to live in America.
I just read an article,at D/Kos,that said the companies that make the vaccine were not making enough money on it.So the government made an agreement that they would push the public into believeing that flu shots were critical to the long term healthcare of seniors.
Tinfoil hats are not unnecessary to live in America.
I just read an article,at D/Kos,that said the companies that make the vaccine were not making enough money on it.So the government made an agreement that they would push the public into believeing that flu shots were critical to the long term healthcare of seniors.
Tinfoil hats are not unnecessary to live in America.
So Tom Clancy was close: the terrorists don't need to strike with Ebola, just influenza, and then we can party like it's 1919. I, for one, welcome our primitive overlords who have never heard of prevention or modern medicine...
So Tom Clancy was close: the terrorists don't need to strike with Ebola, just influenza, and then we can party like it's 1919. I, for one, welcome our primitive overlords who have never heard of prevention or modern medicine...
So Tom Clancy was close: the terrorists don't need to strike with Ebola, just influenza, and then we can party like it's 1919. I, for one, welcome our primitive overlords who have never heard of prevention or modern medicine...
Canada shuts out vaccine seekers.
Canada shuts out vaccine seekers.
Canada shuts out vaccine seekers.
Only a handful of the major cities in this country are prepared to deal with a full scale public health crisis.
A family friend is the director of public health department for the city of Oakland.
My dad asked her what happened if there was a smallpox outbreak.
"Everyone dies," she said, point blank. "We couldn't do anything."
Only a handful of the major cities in this country are prepared to deal with a full scale public health crisis.
A family friend is the director of public health department for the city of Oakland.
My dad asked her what happened if there was a smallpox outbreak.
"Everyone dies," she said, point blank. "We couldn't do anything."
Only a handful of the major cities in this country are prepared to deal with a full scale public health crisis.
A family friend is the director of public health department for the city of Oakland.
My dad asked her what happened if there was a smallpox outbreak.
"Everyone dies," she said, point blank. "We couldn't do anything."
Monica A,
actually i read somewhere that george butler was going to sue the maker of stolen honor as it includes some of his footage. no idea where i saw that.
Monica A,
actually i read somewhere that george butler was going to sue the maker of stolen honor as it includes some of his footage. no idea where i saw that.
Monica A,
actually i read somewhere that george butler was going to sue the maker of stolen honor as it includes some of his footage. no idea where i saw that.
At least one old woman died waiting in line for the vaccine for hours. So it has started already.
At least one old woman died waiting in line for the vaccine for hours. So it has started already.
At least one old woman died waiting in line for the vaccine for hours. So it has started already.
actually i read somewhere that george butler was going to sue the maker of stolen honor as it includes some of his footage. no idea where i saw that.
Good!
actually i read somewhere that george butler was going to sue the maker of stolen honor as it includes some of his footage. no idea where i saw that.
Good!
actually i read somewhere that george butler was going to sue the maker of stolen honor as it includes some of his footage. no idea where i saw that.
Good!
On Topic,
Given this ad and the predicament of the flu vaccine availability, it sorta shows that Camp Kerry certainly recognizes--unlike Grover Norquist-- that older people have concerns and vote because of those concerns.
I don't mean to be cynical in addressing that. But, from a get out the vote perspecitive, Kerry has been doing a lot of the right things in his campaign to make sure that Seniors vote and are wary of Dubya. Though it isn't like Dubya has given Seniors a bunch of reasons to vote for him either.
With all this talk about the largest young voter turnout since '72, don't forget the impact Seniors will make. There are many issues, like the Medicare choice, drug cost and the Social Security Private accounts issues which truly worry many of our Season Citizens. Kerry knows that.
Oh well.
On Topic,
Given this ad and the predicament of the flu vaccine availability, it sorta shows that Camp Kerry certainly recognizes--unlike Grover Norquist-- that older people have concerns and vote because of those concerns.
I don't mean to be cynical in addressing that. But, from a get out the vote perspecitive, Kerry has been doing a lot of the right things in his campaign to make sure that Seniors vote and are wary of Dubya. Though it isn't like Dubya has given Seniors a bunch of reasons to vote for him either.
With all this talk about the largest young voter turnout since '72, don't forget the impact Seniors will make. There are many issues, like the Medicare choice, drug cost and the Social Security Private accounts issues which truly worry many of our Season Citizens. Kerry knows that.
Oh well.
On Topic,
Given this ad and the predicament of the flu vaccine availability, it sorta shows that Camp Kerry certainly recognizes--unlike Grover Norquist-- that older people have concerns and vote because of those concerns.
I don't mean to be cynical in addressing that. But, from a get out the vote perspecitive, Kerry has been doing a lot of the right things in his campaign to make sure that Seniors vote and are wary of Dubya. Though it isn't like Dubya has given Seniors a bunch of reasons to vote for him either.
With all this talk about the largest young voter turnout since '72, don't forget the impact Seniors will make. There are many issues, like the Medicare choice, drug cost and the Social Security Private accounts issues which truly worry many of our Season Citizens. Kerry knows that.
Oh well.
I guess it will take hundreds of thousands to die to get this asshole out of office.
My mom is probably one of those that will be sacrificed.
Long live the king,eh?
I guess it will take hundreds of thousands to die to get this asshole out of office.
My mom is probably one of those that will be sacrificed.
Long live the king,eh?
I guess it will take hundreds of thousands to die to get this asshole out of office.
My mom is probably one of those that will be sacrificed.
Long live the king,eh?
It would be much more forceful if it simply stated what everyone knows, there's a flu-shot crisis, and then went on to say Bush has caused it and finish with footage of Bush's advice during the debate: "Don't get a flu shot."
I agree a more compelling ad could be made, but I think the "Don't get a flu shot" line is actually one of the very few cases of true leadership Bush has demonstrated as President. (I actually can't think of any other at the moment.)
Don't get me wrong: bungling the vaccine supply logistics is yet another example of extreme failure, and every other part of his debate answer was bullshit. But given where his administration has taken us, we do need to get the vaccine we have into the right people. Although his line sounds pathetic, we shouldn't play politics with the "don't get a flu shot if you are healthy" message. In all, the ad is pretty good.
It would be much more forceful if it simply stated what everyone knows, there's a flu-shot crisis, and then went on to say Bush has caused it and finish with footage of Bush's advice during the debate: "Don't get a flu shot."
I agree a more compelling ad could be made, but I think the "Don't get a flu shot" line is actually one of the very few cases of true leadership Bush has demonstrated as President. (I actually can't think of any other at the moment.)
Don't get me wrong: bungling the vaccine supply logistics is yet another example of extreme failure, and every other part of his debate answer was bullshit. But given where his administration has taken us, we do need to get the vaccine we have into the right people. Although his line sounds pathetic, we shouldn't play politics with the "don't get a flu shot if you are healthy" message. In all, the ad is pretty good.
It would be much more forceful if it simply stated what everyone knows, there's a flu-shot crisis, and then went on to say Bush has caused it and finish with footage of Bush's advice during the debate: "Don't get a flu shot."
I agree a more compelling ad could be made, but I think the "Don't get a flu shot" line is actually one of the very few cases of true leadership Bush has demonstrated as President. (I actually can't think of any other at the moment.)
Don't get me wrong: bungling the vaccine supply logistics is yet another example of extreme failure, and every other part of his debate answer was bullshit. But given where his administration has taken us, we do need to get the vaccine we have into the right people. Although his line sounds pathetic, we shouldn't play politics with the "don't get a flu shot if you are healthy" message. In all, the ad is pretty good.
Actually, the deaths in 1918 and 1919 were far higher - 20 to 50 million worldwide and 675,000 in the U.S. alone, according to John Barry in "The Great Influenza."
Actually, the deaths in 1918 and 1919 were far higher - 20 to 50 million worldwide and 675,000 in the U.S. alone, according to John Barry in "The Great Influenza."
Actually, the deaths in 1918 and 1919 were far higher - 20 to 50 million worldwide and 675,000 in the U.S. alone, according to John Barry in "The Great Influenza."
My grandmother died of the influenza epidemic of 1918. She was young, early 20's. Other than a vaccine there is little defense against an aggressive strain of influenza - despite break thoughs in modern medicine. In a jet age, the epidemic could be far worse. This could be an epidemic of Stephen King proportions. Talk about Home Land Security.
My grandmother died of the influenza epidemic of 1918. She was young, early 20's. Other than a vaccine there is little defense against an aggressive strain of influenza - despite break thoughs in modern medicine. In a jet age, the epidemic could be far worse. This could be an epidemic of Stephen King proportions. Talk about Home Land Security.
My grandmother died of the influenza epidemic of 1918. She was young, early 20's. Other than a vaccine there is little defense against an aggressive strain of influenza - despite break thoughs in modern medicine. In a jet age, the epidemic could be far worse. This could be an epidemic of Stephen King proportions. Talk about Home Land Security.
Atrios says 650,000 died.
The influenza commonly called "Spanish flu" killed more people than the guns of World War I. Estimates put the worldwide death toll at 21,642,274.
Is there some irrational US centric view here?
Atrios says 650,000 died.
The influenza commonly called "Spanish flu" killed more people than the guns of World War I. Estimates put the worldwide death toll at 21,642,274.
Is there some irrational US centric view here?
Atrios says 650,000 died.
The influenza commonly called "Spanish flu" killed more people than the guns of World War I. Estimates put the worldwide death toll at 21,642,274.
Is there some irrational US centric view here?
Charley, I got some training from Latinos for America recently and heard the same thing about Cuban-Americans--they're strongly behind Kerry and way off Bush, largely because Bush's policies about Cuba make it really difficult to send money or goods back to needy family in Cuba. If Latinos come out in force, it's all over for W.
Charley, I got some training from Latinos for America recently and heard the same thing about Cuban-Americans--they're strongly behind Kerry and way off Bush, largely because Bush's policies about Cuba make it really difficult to send money or goods back to needy family in Cuba. If Latinos come out in force, it's all over for W.
Charley, I got some training from Latinos for America recently and heard the same thing about Cuban-Americans--they're strongly behind Kerry and way off Bush, largely because Bush's policies about Cuba make it really difficult to send money or goods back to needy family in Cuba. If Latinos come out in force, it's all over for W.
It resonates big time if you're a senior. My daughter's piano teacher has to cancel her Friday afternoon lesson with my daughter and her teacher is VERY dedicated.
Why? A lady in her mid 70s, she's going into the next county for her flu shot and she was told to arrive 2 HOURS early.
Resonate? You betcha.
It resonates big time if you're a senior. My daughter's piano teacher has to cancel her Friday afternoon lesson with my daughter and her teacher is VERY dedicated.
Why? A lady in her mid 70s, she's going into the next county for her flu shot and she was told to arrive 2 HOURS early.
Resonate? You betcha.
It resonates big time if you're a senior. My daughter's piano teacher has to cancel her Friday afternoon lesson with my daughter and her teacher is VERY dedicated.
Why? A lady in her mid 70s, she's going into the next county for her flu shot and she was told to arrive 2 HOURS early.
Resonate? You betcha.
This ad needs to play in Florida. My 83 year-old father-in-law in Venice was hopping mad about waiting in line to try to get the vaccine last week. I didn't think he could dislike Bush anymore than he already did, but the vaccine mess-up sent the anger level way up. Lots of lines for the vaccine in Florida. A real Mess.
This ad needs to play in Florida. My 83 year-old father-in-law in Venice was hopping mad about waiting in line to try to get the vaccine last week. I didn't think he could dislike Bush anymore than he already did, but the vaccine mess-up sent the anger level way up. Lots of lines for the vaccine in Florida. A real Mess.
This ad needs to play in Florida. My 83 year-old father-in-law in Venice was hopping mad about waiting in line to try to get the vaccine last week. I didn't think he could dislike Bush anymore than he already did, but the vaccine mess-up sent the anger level way up. Lots of lines for the vaccine in Florida. A real Mess.
This is the perfect issue to dig into the Bush lead with the so-called 'security moms'. My SIL, the original soccer mom, never fails to get her children their flu shots. Can't get them this year? This is going to resonate.
This is the perfect issue to dig into the Bush lead with the so-called 'security moms'. My SIL, the original soccer mom, never fails to get her children their flu shots. Can't get them this year? This is going to resonate.
This is the perfect issue to dig into the Bush lead with the so-called 'security moms'. My SIL, the original soccer mom, never fails to get her children their flu shots. Can't get them this year? This is going to resonate.
The flu vaccine is only of value in stopping the few (3?) strains that are included in the vaccine in any given year. There is no guarantee that those chosen strains are the correct ones and the vaccine would do little to stop an epidemic from starting that is caused by an unrelated strain. About the best that can be said is that some vaccine is better than no vaccine, but it can also cause the flu in some recipients. But it may do nothing to protect against new strains, and in some cases, the vaccine will not even include already known, and dangerous, strains due to timing of when the vaccine needs to be manufactured for the year. We're basically always one year behind.
The flu vaccine is only of value in stopping the few (3?) strains that are included in the vaccine in any given year. There is no guarantee that those chosen strains are the correct ones and the vaccine would do little to stop an epidemic from starting that is caused by an unrelated strain. About the best that can be said is that some vaccine is better than no vaccine, but it can also cause the flu in some recipients. But it may do nothing to protect against new strains, and in some cases, the vaccine will not even include already known, and dangerous, strains due to timing of when the vaccine needs to be manufactured for the year. We're basically always one year behind.
The flu vaccine is only of value in stopping the few (3?) strains that are included in the vaccine in any given year. There is no guarantee that those chosen strains are the correct ones and the vaccine would do little to stop an epidemic from starting that is caused by an unrelated strain. About the best that can be said is that some vaccine is better than no vaccine, but it can also cause the flu in some recipients. But it may do nothing to protect against new strains, and in some cases, the vaccine will not even include already known, and dangerous, strains due to timing of when the vaccine needs to be manufactured for the year. We're basically always one year behind.
My sense is that most seniors are pretty disenchanted with this admin for a number of reasons. We got nice compliments on our yard sign from relatives (78 & 70) who stopped by to visit the new arrival. I was surprised; I would have thought they were Republicans, but no.
My sense is that most seniors are pretty disenchanted with this admin for a number of reasons. We got nice compliments on our yard sign from relatives (78 & 70) who stopped by to visit the new arrival. I was surprised; I would have thought they were Republicans, but no.
My sense is that most seniors are pretty disenchanted with this admin for a number of reasons. We got nice compliments on our yard sign from relatives (78 & 70) who stopped by to visit the new arrival. I was surprised; I would have thought they were Republicans, but no.
Yes, the problems with the lab in Britain have been known for a couple of months. I read that 2 batches were contaminated, so they were holding all the vaccine to do additional testing, although they really didn't think there was a problem. Or so they said. Was "they" the Brits or the US? Don't remember exactly, but I'm pretty sure it was the Brits.
Yes, the problems with the lab in Britain have been known for a couple of months. I read that 2 batches were contaminated, so they were holding all the vaccine to do additional testing, although they really didn't think there was a problem. Or so they said. Was "they" the Brits or the US? Don't remember exactly, but I'm pretty sure it was the Brits.
Yes, the problems with the lab in Britain have been known for a couple of months. I read that 2 batches were contaminated, so they were holding all the vaccine to do additional testing, although they really didn't think there was a problem. Or so they said. Was "they" the Brits or the US? Don't remember exactly, but I'm pretty sure it was the Brits.
Does anyone actually believe shrub when he says he won't get a flu shot? No way. He's probably already had his. My local paper (WaPo) said people camped out all night long to get a flu shot and they were out of numbers after 15 minutes.
Does anyone actually believe shrub when he says he won't get a flu shot? No way. He's probably already had his. My local paper (WaPo) said people camped out all night long to get a flu shot and they were out of numbers after 15 minutes.
Does anyone actually believe shrub when he says he won't get a flu shot? No way. He's probably already had his. My local paper (WaPo) said people camped out all night long to get a flu shot and they were out of numbers after 15 minutes.
Um Atrios, I think that number is maybe waay off.
I think the flu pandemic of 1918-1919 killed more like somewhere between 20-40 million people.
It was also referred to as the La Grippe I think.
Um Atrios, I think that number is maybe waay off.
I think the flu pandemic of 1918-1919 killed more like somewhere between 20-40 million people.
It was also referred to as the La Grippe I think.
Um Atrios, I think that number is maybe waay off.
I think the flu pandemic of 1918-1919 killed more like somewhere between 20-40 million people.
It was also referred to as the La Grippe I think.
This from the NYTimes earlier this week: The so-called Spanish flu, believed to have been another influenza virus with some genetic material that came directly from birds, killed at least 20 million people worldwide over two years, most of them in a few weeks in late 1918.
Other sources put the toll up to 100 million, with about 700,000 in the US.
This from the NYTimes earlier this week: The so-called Spanish flu, believed to have been another influenza virus with some genetic material that came directly from birds, killed at least 20 million people worldwide over two years, most of them in a few weeks in late 1918.
Other sources put the toll up to 100 million, with about 700,000 in the US.
This from the NYTimes earlier this week: The so-called Spanish flu, believed to have been another influenza virus with some genetic material that came directly from birds, killed at least 20 million people worldwide over two years, most of them in a few weeks in late 1918.
Other sources put the toll up to 100 million, with about 700,000 in the US.
Atrios says 650,000 died.
The influenza commonly called "Spanish flu" killed more people than the guns of World War I. Estimates put the worldwide death toll at 21,642,274.
Is there some irrational US centric view here?
Uh, no. This is about the US election. Do you really think that anything other than US deaths would make an impact on the American electorate? Come on...
Atrios says 650,000 died.
The influenza commonly called "Spanish flu" killed more people than the guns of World War I. Estimates put the worldwide death toll at 21,642,274.
Is there some irrational US centric view here?
Uh, no. This is about the US election. Do you really think that anything other than US deaths would make an impact on the American electorate? Come on...
Atrios says 650,000 died.
The influenza commonly called "Spanish flu" killed more people than the guns of World War I. Estimates put the worldwide death toll at 21,642,274.
Is there some irrational US centric view here?
Uh, no. This is about the US election. Do you really think that anything other than US deaths would make an impact on the American electorate? Come on...
Someone very close to me works for a big, big, BIG (the biggest) pharmaceutical company in the world.
This person's take: cholesterol numbers were artificially lowered to sell more cholesterol drugs. Same with blood sugar levels. (used to be, normal was 80-130. Now any sugar over 100 is cause for drugs.) This person makes a very, very, VERY good living off the pharmaceutical industry and is the most cynical critic of prescription drugs I have ever met.
So I'm not so sure about the "necessity" of the flu shot. There are so many strains of flu, and I don't even remember shots being de rigeur until the famous "swine flu" flap. Anyone else remember that?
I do know it is scaring sick, lonely, bewildered elders half to death. A bigger crime than not having the vaccine. And, removing my tinfoil hat for a moment and conceding that the elderly should be THE FIRST in line for a flu vaccine: we couldn't do that, could we? Let the most needy have the vaccine first? That would be SOCIALISM! And GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE! And it would INTERFERE WITH CAPITALIST FREE MARKETS!
Sometimes I get so angry at the way we live.
Someone very close to me works for a big, big, BIG (the biggest) pharmaceutical company in the world.
This person's take: cholesterol numbers were artificially lowered to sell more cholesterol drugs. Same with blood sugar levels. (used to be, normal was 80-130. Now any sugar over 100 is cause for drugs.) This person makes a very, very, VERY good living off the pharmaceutical industry and is the most cynical critic of prescription drugs I have ever met.
So I'm not so sure about the "necessity" of the flu shot. There are so many strains of flu, and I don't even remember shots being de rigeur until the famous "swine flu" flap. Anyone else remember that?
I do know it is scaring sick, lonely, bewildered elders half to death. A bigger crime than not having the vaccine. And, removing my tinfoil hat for a moment and conceding that the elderly should be THE FIRST in line for a flu vaccine: we couldn't do that, could we? Let the most needy have the vaccine first? That would be SOCIALISM! And GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE! And it would INTERFERE WITH CAPITALIST FREE MARKETS!
Sometimes I get so angry at the way we live.
Someone very close to me works for a big, big, BIG (the biggest) pharmaceutical company in the world.
This person's take: cholesterol numbers were artificially lowered to sell more cholesterol drugs. Same with blood sugar levels. (used to be, normal was 80-130. Now any sugar over 100 is cause for drugs.) This person makes a very, very, VERY good living off the pharmaceutical industry and is the most cynical critic of prescription drugs I have ever met.
So I'm not so sure about the "necessity" of the flu shot. There are so many strains of flu, and I don't even remember shots being de rigeur until the famous "swine flu" flap. Anyone else remember that?
I do know it is scaring sick, lonely, bewildered elders half to death. A bigger crime than not having the vaccine. And, removing my tinfoil hat for a moment and conceding that the elderly should be THE FIRST in line for a flu vaccine: we couldn't do that, could we? Let the most needy have the vaccine first? That would be SOCIALISM! And GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE! And it would INTERFERE WITH CAPITALIST FREE MARKETS!
Sometimes I get so angry at the way we live.
What, like 30,000 ADDITIONAL people will die because of this and we are spending billions because 3,500 people died? Where is the priority? Even with the 10,000 Iraqis, this is pathetic.
This regime must go.
What, like 30,000 ADDITIONAL people will die because of this and we are spending billions because 3,500 people died? Where is the priority? Even with the 10,000 Iraqis, this is pathetic.
This regime must go.
What, like 30,000 ADDITIONAL people will die because of this and we are spending billions because 3,500 people died? Where is the priority? Even with the 10,000 Iraqis, this is pathetic.
This regime must go.
Don't forget heating fuel costs are likely to go up this winter. And, that the winter might be drier but still may be colder for much of the country.
To have to choose between food, medicine or heat can't be a good choice for the Elderly Poor. *
trivia:
When was the term Elderly Poor coined?
Don't forget heating fuel costs are likely to go up this winter. And, that the winter might be drier but still may be colder for much of the country.
To have to choose between food, medicine or heat can't be a good choice for the Elderly Poor. *
trivia:
When was the term Elderly Poor coined?
Don't forget heating fuel costs are likely to go up this winter. And, that the winter might be drier but still may be colder for much of the country.
To have to choose between food, medicine or heat can't be a good choice for the Elderly Poor. *
trivia:
When was the term Elderly Poor coined?
"Autumn 2001: Bush Failure to protect US from
suicidal terrorists. 3,000 dead, blow to economy."
"Autumn 2004: Bush Failure to protect US
flu-shot supply becomes apparent. Tens of thousands
will needlessly die this winter."
No, those are my own headlines, not those of the SCLM. So far.
Now there is an big story in the Sunday NYTimes on the flu shot fiasco, with lots of ammo for anyone who wants to make a big issue of this.
...public health experts have long cautioned against the country's dependence on a few vaccine makers, and yet this has become standard practice. There are now only two major manufacturers for the nation's supply of flu vaccine, and at least a half-dozen other vaccines are made by single suppliers.
Britain, by contrast, has spread its order for flu vaccines among five suppliers, precisely to avoid the kind of predicament America now faces.
In recent years there have been many significant disruptions of vaccine supplies. Between November 2000 and May 2003, there were shortages of 8 of the 11 vaccines for childhood diseases in the United States, including those for tetanus, diptheria, whooping cough, measles, mumps and chicken pox.
There have been flu vaccine shortages or miscues for four consecutive years.
Since about 2000, there has been much discussion of this all-your-eggs-in-two-baskets threat, in both medical-school circles and at the CDC. The CDC has long wanted to do something about it but has never been able to get the money for a sensible spread-the-risk practice, as in the five suppliers used in the UK.
Hopefully some reporter will find the CDC memos to Tommy Thompson on the subject and tell the public how
Bush & Company screwed this up. They do find 20x as much money for other vaccines:
Dr. Fauci said the Bush administration had increased financing for research and other efforts to fight flu to $283 million this year, from $47 million in fiscal year 2002. Among the initiatives is a $60 million effort to develop new ways to manufacture flu vaccines, which are currently made in a laborious process that requires the use of hundreds of thousands of eggs.
But those sums are small compared with what the nation plans to spend on vaccines against diseases that the government fears terrorists might use.
William Schaffner, chairman of the department of preventive medicine at Vanderbilt Medical School in Nashville, noted that the Bush administration last year promised to spend $5.6 billion to help develop vaccines for anthrax and other biological agents under an initiative to combat possible bioterrorism threats.
"They're creat
"Autumn 2001: Bush Failure to protect US from
suicidal terrorists. 3,000 dead, blow to economy."
"Autumn 2004: Bush Failure to protect US
flu-shot supply becomes apparent. Tens of thousands
will needlessly die this winter."
No, those are my own headlines, not those of the SCLM. So far.
Now there is an big story in the Sunday NYTimes on the flu shot fiasco, with lots of ammo for anyone who wants to make a big issue of this.
...public health experts have long cautioned against the country's dependence on a few vaccine makers, and yet this has become standard practice. There are now only two major manufacturers for the nation's supply of flu vaccine, and at least a half-dozen other vaccines are made by single suppliers.
Britain, by contrast, has spread its order for flu vaccines among five suppliers, precisely to avoid the kind of predicament America now faces.
In recent years there have been many significant disruptions of vaccine supplies. Between November 2000 and May 2003, there were shortages of 8 of the 11 vaccines for childhood diseases in the United States, including those for tetanus, diptheria, whooping cough, measles, mumps and chicken pox.
There have been flu vaccine shortages or miscues for four consecutive years.
Since about 2000, there has been much discussion of this all-your-eggs-in-two-baskets threat, in both medical-school circles and at the CDC. The CDC has long wanted to do something about it but has never been able to get the money for a sensible spread-the-risk practice, as in the five suppliers used in the UK.
Hopefully some reporter will find the CDC memos to Tommy Thompson on the subject and tell the public how
Bush & Company screwed this up. They do find 20x as much money for other vaccines:
Dr. Fauci said the Bush administration had increased financing for research and other efforts to fight flu to $283 million this year, from $47 million in fiscal year 2002. Among the initiatives is a $60 million effort to develop new ways to manufacture flu vaccines, which are currently made in a laborious process that requires the use of hundreds of thousands of eggs.
But those sums are small compared with what the nation plans to spend on vaccines against diseases that the government fears terrorists might use.
William Schaffner, chairman of the department of preventive medicine at Vanderbilt Medical School in Nashville, noted that the Bush administration last year promised to spend $5.6 billion to help develop vaccines for anthrax and other biological agents under an initiative to combat possible bioterrorism threats.
"They're creat
"Autumn 2001: Bush Failure to protect US from
suicidal terrorists. 3,000 dead, blow to economy."
"Autumn 2004: Bush Failure to protect US
flu-shot supply becomes apparent. Tens of thousands
will needlessly die this winter."
No, those are my own headlines, not those of the SCLM. So far.
Now there is an big story in the Sunday NYTimes on the flu shot fiasco, with lots of ammo for anyone who wants to make a big issue of this.
...public health experts have long cautioned against the country's dependence on a few vaccine makers, and yet this has become standard practice. There are now only two major manufacturers for the nation's supply of flu vaccine, and at least a half-dozen other vaccines are made by single suppliers.
Britain, by contrast, has spread its order for flu vaccines among five suppliers, precisely to avoid the kind of predicament America now faces.
In recent years there have been many significant disruptions of vaccine supplies. Between November 2000 and May 2003, there were shortages of 8 of the 11 vaccines for childhood diseases in the United States, including those for tetanus, diptheria, whooping cough, measles, mumps and chicken pox.
There have been flu vaccine shortages or miscues for four consecutive years.
Since about 2000, there has been much discussion of this all-your-eggs-in-two-baskets threat, in both medical-school circles and at the CDC. The CDC has long wanted to do something about it but has never been able to get the money for a sensible spread-the-risk practice, as in the five suppliers used in the UK.
Hopefully some reporter will find the CDC memos to Tommy Thompson on the subject and tell the public how
Bush & Company screwed this up. They do find 20x as much money for other vaccines:
Dr. Fauci said the Bush administration had increased financing for research and other efforts to fight flu to $283 million this year, from $47 million in fiscal year 2002. Among the initiatives is a $60 million effort to develop new ways to manufacture flu vaccines, which are currently made in a laborious process that requires the use of hundreds of thousands of eggs.
But those sums are small compared with what the nation plans to spend on vaccines against diseases that the government fears terrorists might use.
William Schaffner, chairman of the department of preventive medicine at Vanderbilt Medical School in Nashville, noted that the Bush administration last year promised to spend $5.6 billion to help develop vaccines for anthrax and other biological agents under an initiative to combat possible bioterrorism threats.
"They're creat
"Autumn 2001: Bush Failure to protect US from suicidal terrorists. 3,000 dead, blow to economy."
"Autumn 2004: Bush Failure to protect US flu-shot supply becomes apparent. Tens of thousands will needlessly die this winter."
No, those are my own headlines, not those of the SCLM. So far.
Now there is a 2d big story in the Sunday NYTimes on the flu shot fiasco, with lots of ammo for anyone who wants to make a big issue of this.
...public health experts have long cautioned against the country's dependence on a few vaccine makers, and yet this has become standard practice. There are now only two major manufacturers for the nation's supply of flu vaccine, and at least a half-dozen other vaccines are made by single suppliers.
Britain, by contrast, has spread its order for flu vaccines among five suppliers, precisely to avoid the kind of predicament America now faces.
In recent years there have been many significant disruptions of vaccine supplies. Between November 2000 and May 2003, there were shortages of 8 of the 11 vaccines for childhood diseases in the United States, including those for tetanus, diptheria, whooping cough, measles, mumps and chicken pox.
There have been flu vaccine shortages or miscues for four consecutive years.
Since about 2000, there has been much discussion of this all-your-eggs-in-two-baskets threat, in both medical-school circles and at the CDC. The CDC has long wanted to do something about it but has never been able to get the money for a sensible spread-the-risk practice, as in the five suppliers used in the UK.
Hopefully some reporter will find the CDC memos to Tommy Thompson on the subject and tell the public how
Bush & Company screwed this up. They do find 20x as much money for other vaccines:
Dr. Fauci said the Bush administration had increased financing for research and other efforts to fight flu to $283 million this year, from $47 million in fiscal year 2002. Among the initiatives is a $60 million effort to develop new ways to manufacture flu vaccines, which are currently made in a laborious process that requires the use of hundreds of thousands of eggs.
But those sums are small compared with what the nation plans to spend on vaccines against diseases that the government fears terrorists might use.
William Schaffner, chairman of the department of preventive medicine at Vanderbilt Medical School in Nashville, noted that the Bush administration last year promised to spend $5.6 billion to help develop vaccines for anthrax and other biological agents under an initiative to combat possible bioterrorism threats.
"They're creating a very expensive program against diseases that d
"Autumn 2001: Bush Failure to protect US from suicidal terrorists. 3,000 dead, blow to economy."
"Autumn 2004: Bush Failure to protect US flu-shot supply becomes apparent. Tens of thousands will needlessly die this winter."
No, those are my own headlines, not those of the SCLM. So far.
Now there is a 2d big story in the Sunday NYTimes on the flu shot fiasco, with lots of ammo for anyone who wants to make a big issue of this.
...public health experts have long cautioned against the country's dependence on a few vaccine makers, and yet this has become standard practice. There are now only two major manufacturers for the nation's supply of flu vaccine, and at least a half-dozen other vaccines are made by single suppliers.
Britain, by contrast, has spread its order for flu vaccines among five suppliers, precisely to avoid the kind of predicament America now faces.
In recent years there have been many significant disruptions of vaccine supplies. Between November 2000 and May 2003, there were shortages of 8 of the 11 vaccines for childhood diseases in the United States, including those for tetanus, diptheria, whooping cough, measles, mumps and chicken pox.
There have been flu vaccine shortages or miscues for four consecutive years.
Since about 2000, there has been much discussion of this all-your-eggs-in-two-baskets threat, in both medical-school circles and at the CDC. The CDC has long wanted to do something about it but has never been able to get the money for a sensible spread-the-risk practice, as in the five suppliers used in the UK.
Hopefully some reporter will find the CDC memos to Tommy Thompson on the subject and tell the public how
Bush & Company screwed this up. They do find 20x as much money for other vaccines:
Dr. Fauci said the Bush administration had increased financing for research and other efforts to fight flu to $283 million this year, from $47 million in fiscal year 2002. Among the initiatives is a $60 million effort to develop new ways to manufacture flu vaccines, which are currently made in a laborious process that requires the use of hundreds of thousands of eggs.
But those sums are small compared with what the nation plans to spend on vaccines against diseases that the government fears terrorists might use.
William Schaffner, chairman of the department of preventive medicine at Vanderbilt Medical School in Nashville, noted that the Bush administration last year promised to spend $5.6 billion to help develop vaccines for anthrax and other biological agents under an initiative to combat possible bioterrorism threats.
"They're creating a very expensive program against diseases that d
"Autumn 2001: Bush Failure to protect US from suicidal terrorists. 3,000 dead, blow to economy."
"Autumn 2004: Bush Failure to protect US flu-shot supply becomes apparent. Tens of thousands will needlessly die this winter."
No, those are my own headlines, not those of the SCLM. So far.
Now there is a 2d big story in the Sunday NYTimes on the flu shot fiasco, with lots of ammo for anyone who wants to make a big issue of this.
...public health experts have long cautioned against the country's dependence on a few vaccine makers, and yet this has become standard practice. There are now only two major manufacturers for the nation's supply of flu vaccine, and at least a half-dozen other vaccines are made by single suppliers.
Britain, by contrast, has spread its order for flu vaccines among five suppliers, precisely to avoid the kind of predicament America now faces.
In recent years there have been many significant disruptions of vaccine supplies. Between November 2000 and May 2003, there were shortages of 8 of the 11 vaccines for childhood diseases in the United States, including those for tetanus, diptheria, whooping cough, measles, mumps and chicken pox.
There have been flu vaccine shortages or miscues for four consecutive years.
Since about 2000, there has been much discussion of this all-your-eggs-in-two-baskets threat, in both medical-school circles and at the CDC. The CDC has long wanted to do something about it but has never been able to get the money for a sensible spread-the-risk practice, as in the five suppliers used in the UK.
Hopefully some reporter will find the CDC memos to Tommy Thompson on the subject and tell the public how
Bush & Company screwed this up. They do find 20x as much money for other vaccines:
Dr. Fauci said the Bush administration had increased financing for research and other efforts to fight flu to $283 million this year, from $47 million in fiscal year 2002. Among the initiatives is a $60 million effort to develop new ways to manufacture flu vaccines, which are currently made in a laborious process that requires the use of hundreds of thousands of eggs.
But those sums are small compared with what the nation plans to spend on vaccines against diseases that the government fears terrorists might use.
William Schaffner, chairman of the department of preventive medicine at Vanderbilt Medical School in Nashville, noted that the Bush administration last year promised to spend $5.6 billion to help develop vaccines for anthrax and other biological agents under an initiative to combat possible bioterrorism threats.
"They're creating a very expensive program against diseases that d
Here's what happened today at the VA Clinic.
A week or so ago we got a letter from Veterans Affairs saying we could go down to the VA clinic today (Sat, 10/16) and get flu shots. Well, we got there and guess what? They don't have any flu vaccine, never did and don't expect any! I was watching these elderly WWII vets hobbling across the parking lot by the dozens only to be turned away by the security guards and told to go to their primary care physicians. Only problem is, many of these old disabled guys use the VA as their primary care physician and therefore have been technically told that they are not going to get flu shots and also that elderly disabled vets are not a priority in this country, contrary to Bush saying clearly in the last debate that they were going to save the flu shots for the very young and the very old. I guarantee you all the middle-aged families of the lobbyists and Washington insiders have got their flu shots already.
Here's what happened today at the VA Clinic.
A week or so ago we got a letter from Veterans Affairs saying we could go down to the VA clinic today (Sat, 10/16) and get flu shots. Well, we got there and guess what? They don't have any flu vaccine, never did and don't expect any! I was watching these elderly WWII vets hobbling across the parking lot by the dozens only to be turned away by the security guards and told to go to their primary care physicians. Only problem is, many of these old disabled guys use the VA as their primary care physician and therefore have been technically told that they are not going to get flu shots and also that elderly disabled vets are not a priority in this country, contrary to Bush saying clearly in the last debate that they were going to save the flu shots for the very young and the very old. I guarantee you all the middle-aged families of the lobbyists and Washington insiders have got their flu shots already.
Here's what happened today at the VA Clinic.
A week or so ago we got a letter from Veterans Affairs saying we could go down to the VA clinic today (Sat, 10/16) and get flu shots. Well, we got there and guess what? They don't have any flu vaccine, never did and don't expect any! I was watching these elderly WWII vets hobbling across the parking lot by the dozens only to be turned away by the security guards and told to go to their primary care physicians. Only problem is, many of these old disabled guys use the VA as their primary care physician and therefore have been technically told that they are not going to get flu shots and also that elderly disabled vets are not a priority in this country, contrary to Bush saying clearly in the last debate that they were going to save the flu shots for the very young and the very old. I guarantee you all the middle-aged families of the lobbyists and Washington insiders have got their flu shots already.
20-40 MILLION got killed in the 1918 one - maybe the half million yanks as Atrios says, but remember your population was smaller at the that time.
The truth is risk from a similar infection (like sars) has much greater potential than most terrorist attacks. Sars almost made it.....
20-40 MILLION got killed in the 1918 one - maybe the half million yanks as Atrios says, but remember your population was smaller at the that time.
The truth is risk from a similar infection (like sars) has much greater potential than most terrorist attacks. Sars almost made it.....
20-40 MILLION got killed in the 1918 one - maybe the half million yanks as Atrios says, but remember your population was smaller at the that time.
The truth is risk from a similar infection (like sars) has much greater potential than most terrorist attacks. Sars almost made it.....
I have been a flu-shot line with people over 60--they care a lot more about this than Mary Cheney. The worm has turned. And these folks vote in the high 70-80 percentile.
Ah, Medicare Reform -- FRIST!!!
I have been a flu-shot line with people over 60--they care a lot more about this than Mary Cheney. The worm has turned. And these folks vote in the high 70-80 percentile.
Ah, Medicare Reform -- FRIST!!!
I have been a flu-shot line with people over 60--they care a lot more about this than Mary Cheney. The worm has turned. And these folks vote in the high 70-80 percentile.
Ah, Medicare Reform -- FRIST!!!
but it can also cause the flu in some recipients.
Only live vaccine, such as is used in the nasal vaccine FluMist, can "cause" mild flu symptoms. Dead vaccine in shots won't cause the flu.
but it can also cause the flu in some recipients.
Only live vaccine, such as is used in the nasal vaccine FluMist, can "cause" mild flu symptoms. Dead vaccine in shots won't cause the flu.
but it can also cause the flu in some recipients.
Only live vaccine, such as is used in the nasal vaccine FluMist, can "cause" mild flu symptoms. Dead vaccine in shots won't cause the flu.
I have been a flu-shot line with people over 60--they care a lot more about this than Mary Cheney. The worm has turned. And these folks vote in the high 70-80 percentile.
Ah, Medicare Reform -- FRIST!!!
I have been a flu-shot line with people over 60--they care a lot more about this than Mary Cheney. The worm has turned. And these folks vote in the high 70-80 percentile.
Ah, Medicare Reform -- FRIST!!!
I have been a flu-shot line with people over 60--they care a lot more about this than Mary Cheney. The worm has turned. And these folks vote in the high 70-80 percentile.
Ah, Medicare Reform -- FRIST!!!
sorry. I refreshed.
sorry. I refreshed.
sorry. I refreshed.
October surprise, indeed.
October surprise, indeed.
October surprise, indeed.
This is big. This is not just seniors but anyone with lung problems, immune problems, chemo treatement, transplant recepients, kids and adults with asthma. The people who care are those that have an endangered relative or who work with the elderly. I have a lot of elderly friends as well as young nephews with lung problems. I've had bone marrow therapy and have a very weak immune system, I get the flu and I may likely die. My brother's friend in high school lost his 40 something healthy mother to the flu. People are very upset, including a lot of health industry workers.
This is big. This is not just seniors but anyone with lung problems, immune problems, chemo treatement, transplant recepients, kids and adults with asthma. The people who care are those that have an endangered relative or who work with the elderly. I have a lot of elderly friends as well as young nephews with lung problems. I've had bone marrow therapy and have a very weak immune system, I get the flu and I may likely die. My brother's friend in high school lost his 40 something healthy mother to the flu. People are very upset, including a lot of health industry workers.
This is big. This is not just seniors but anyone with lung problems, immune problems, chemo treatement, transplant recepients, kids and adults with asthma. The people who care are those that have an endangered relative or who work with the elderly. I have a lot of elderly friends as well as young nephews with lung problems. I've had bone marrow therapy and have a very weak immune system, I get the flu and I may likely die. My brother's friend in high school lost his 40 something healthy mother to the flu. People are very upset, including a lot of health industry workers.
In a televised U.S. presidential debate on Wednesday, George W. Bush suggested that a Vancouver-based flu vaccine manufacturer, ID Biomedical, might assist with the U.S. shortage. U.S. Secretary of Health Tommy Thompson quickly played down the idea, saying that a manufacturer without a licence in the United States probably would not be allowed to ship its stockpiles south.
after all, EVERYONE knows the Canadians are TRYING TO KILL US.
In a televised U.S. presidential debate on Wednesday, George W. Bush suggested that a Vancouver-based flu vaccine manufacturer, ID Biomedical, might assist with the U.S. shortage. U.S. Secretary of Health Tommy Thompson quickly played down the idea, saying that a manufacturer without a licence in the United States probably would not be allowed to ship its stockpiles south.
after all, EVERYONE knows the Canadians are TRYING TO KILL US.
In a televised U.S. presidential debate on Wednesday, George W. Bush suggested that a Vancouver-based flu vaccine manufacturer, ID Biomedical, might assist with the U.S. shortage. U.S. Secretary of Health Tommy Thompson quickly played down the idea, saying that a manufacturer without a licence in the United States probably would not be allowed to ship its stockpiles south.
after all, EVERYONE knows the Canadians are TRYING TO KILL US.
This is not just seniors but anyone with lung problems, immune problems, chemo treatement, transplant recepients, kids and adults with asthma.
Let's add: Type 2 diabetics. They've been on my ass to get one every year since I was diagnosed.
This is not just seniors but anyone with lung problems, immune problems, chemo treatement, transplant recepients, kids and adults with asthma.
Let's add: Type 2 diabetics. They've been on my ass to get one every year since I was diagnosed.
This is not just seniors but anyone with lung problems, immune problems, chemo treatement, transplant recepients, kids and adults with asthma.
Let's add: Type 2 diabetics. They've been on my ass to get one every year since I was diagnosed.
BTW, since I live in California, I don't get to see any Kerry ads on the local stations. I esp. liked the line about "another George Bush mess!" Are they doing a whole series of "mess" ads? If not, they should!
BTW, since I live in California, I don't get to see any Kerry ads on the local stations. I esp. liked the line about "another George Bush mess!" Are they doing a whole series of "mess" ads? If not, they should!
BTW, since I live in California, I don't get to see any Kerry ads on the local stations. I esp. liked the line about "another George Bush mess!" Are they doing a whole series of "mess" ads? If not, they should!
Unfortuneately, the people with whom the message of this ad would resonate most strongly will be completely turned off by (and won't be able to read) the graphics.
Unfortuneately, the people with whom the message of this ad would resonate most strongly will be completely turned off by (and won't be able to read) the graphics.
Unfortuneately, the people with whom the message of this ad would resonate most strongly will be completely turned off by (and won't be able to read) the graphics.
Over 20,000,000 deaths from the Spanish influenza were recorded. Some estimate that as many as 50 to 100 million may actually have died from the pandemic.
Over 20,000,000 deaths from the Spanish influenza were recorded. Some estimate that as many as 50 to 100 million may actually have died from the pandemic.
Over 20,000,000 deaths from the Spanish influenza were recorded. Some estimate that as many as 50 to 100 million may actually have died from the pandemic.
This pisses me off no end. Every time I've ever had the flu it's turned into bronchitis and made me wish I WERE dead. I get a flu shot every year. This year, it's Vitamin C and wash my hands a lot, I guess. How could this administration ever get us through a real public health crisis??
This pisses me off no end. Every time I've ever had the flu it's turned into bronchitis and made me wish I WERE dead. I get a flu shot every year. This year, it's Vitamin C and wash my hands a lot, I guess. How could this administration ever get us through a real public health crisis??
This pisses me off no end. Every time I've ever had the flu it's turned into bronchitis and made me wish I WERE dead. I get a flu shot every year. This year, it's Vitamin C and wash my hands a lot, I guess. How could this administration ever get us through a real public health crisis??
Said it before and saying it again:
Killing off a few hundred thousand seniors is Lush's plan to save Social Security.
What I think the Democrats should start saying is that it appears that George W has flip-flopped on his stance regarding late-term abortion.
He now apparently favors it as late as 3 years old, since he is doing his best to kill off a bunch of kids this winter with the flu. Invariably, these will be the very same poor, underprivileged, without healthcare kids that he insisted should have been carried to term regardless of the circumstances of their mothers.
Oh well, if they survive, they'll make great Fodder Units.
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Said it before and saying it again:
Killing off a few hundred thousand seniors is Lush's plan to save Social Security.
What I think the Democrats should start saying is that it appears that George W has flip-flopped on his stance regarding late-term abortion.
He now apparently favors it as late as 3 years old, since he is doing his best to kill off a bunch of kids this winter with the flu. Invariably, these will be the very same poor, underprivileged, without healthcare kids that he insisted should have been carried to term regardless of the circumstances of their mothers.
Oh well, if they survive, they'll make great Fodder Units.
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Said it before and saying it again:
Killing off a few hundred thousand seniors is Lush's plan to save Social Security.
What I think the Democrats should start saying is that it appears that George W has flip-flopped on his stance regarding late-term abortion.
He now apparently favors it as late as 3 years old, since he is doing his best to kill off a bunch of kids this winter with the flu. Invariably, these will be the very same poor, underprivileged, without healthcare kids that he insisted should have been carried to term regardless of the circumstances of their mothers.
Oh well, if they survive, they'll make great Fodder Units.
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H5N1 remember this.
Google "bird flu" and a lot of references will come up. I remember having the Hong Kong flu when I was 12 and it was horrendous. We were strong, healthy kids and got sick for 2 weeks.
My daughter got her flu shot quite easily the other day, but it was costly at $46. Since she is asthmatic she HAS to have them or else she could die just from the after affects of an infection.
My dad went to the VA hospital in California, Loma Linda I think, and was told they had no vaccine. He is traveling to DC and hopefully he can get one there.
Some folks had to wait over 8 hours here in rural Indiana for a shot at the local grocery store drug counter. It broke my heart to see the little old ladies and men waiting for hours there. I was shopping and asked as many as I could if they wanted any water or something to drink. It made me feel a little better to be able to help a few of them ease their wait.
Fucking gov't KNEW there was a problem with this "lab" last year. They didn't sanitize the equipment properly so the vaccine was contaminated. Of course some firms and Gov't agencies bought the vaccine from only one company most likely due to a lesser price. I guess in more ways than one you do get what you pay for.
H5N1 remember this.
Google "bird flu" and a lot of references will come up. I remember having the Hong Kong flu when I was 12 and it was horrendous. We were strong, healthy kids and got sick for 2 weeks.
My daughter got her flu shot quite easily the other day, but it was costly at $46. Since she is asthmatic she HAS to have them or else she could die just from the after affects of an infection.
My dad went to the VA hospital in California, Loma Linda I think, and was told they had no vaccine. He is traveling to DC and hopefully he can get one there.
Some folks had to wait over 8 hours here in rural Indiana for a shot at the local grocery store drug counter. It broke my heart to see the little old ladies and men waiting for hours there. I was shopping and asked as many as I could if they wanted any water or something to drink. It made me feel a little better to be able to help a few of them ease their wait.
Fucking gov't KNEW there was a problem with this "lab" last year. They didn't sanitize the equipment properly so the vaccine was contaminated. Of course some firms and Gov't agencies bought the vaccine from only one company most likely due to a lesser price. I guess in more ways than one you do get what you pay for.
H5N1 remember this.
Google "bird flu" and a lot of references will come up. I remember having the Hong Kong flu when I was 12 and it was horrendous. We were strong, healthy kids and got sick for 2 weeks.
My daughter got her flu shot quite easily the other day, but it was costly at $46. Since she is asthmatic she HAS to have them or else she could die just from the after affects of an infection.
My dad went to the VA hospital in California, Loma Linda I think, and was told they had no vaccine. He is traveling to DC and hopefully he can get one there.
Some folks had to wait over 8 hours here in rural Indiana for a shot at the local grocery store drug counter. It broke my heart to see the little old ladies and men waiting for hours there. I was shopping and asked as many as I could if they wanted any water or something to drink. It made me feel a little better to be able to help a few of them ease their wait.
Fucking gov't KNEW there was a problem with this "lab" last year. They didn't sanitize the equipment properly so the vaccine was contaminated. Of course some firms and Gov't agencies bought the vaccine from only one company most likely due to a lesser price. I guess in more ways than one you do get what you pay for.
I just read an excellent book about the 1918 Flu Pandemic.
It was "The Great Influenza" by John M. Barry and it was published this year.
The final chapters deal with how it COULD happen again and how far medical science has advanced in the last 86 years.
There still would be millions of lives lost.
I just read an excellent book about the 1918 Flu Pandemic.
It was "The Great Influenza" by John M. Barry and it was published this year.
The final chapters deal with how it COULD happen again and how far medical science has advanced in the last 86 years.
There still would be millions of lives lost.
I just read an excellent book about the 1918 Flu Pandemic.
It was "The Great Influenza" by John M. Barry and it was published this year.
The final chapters deal with how it COULD happen again and how far medical science has advanced in the last 86 years.
There still would be millions of lives lost.
Okay, who gets promoted this time?
The Bush administration is notorious for killing the messenger and promoting the corrupt and incompetent.
It seems to me that Amerika has spent an awful lot of capitol on our new Homeland Security Department. Hell, we even have a level 4 lab right in little old Hamilton, Mt.
It was my understanding that the Homeland Security Department was in charge of coordinatingall efforts for anything that could cause mass casualties.
There WAS a mass vaccination drill planned for Flathead County the day after they let us know that there would not be enough vaccine.
The Bush Administration KNEW there was a serious possibility that the vaccine would not be available nearly three weeks earlier. The Bush Administration was warned of the contamination on September 13.
Who is supposed to be responsible for this?
If our ports are unguarded as well as ourchemical plants and nuclear facilities, where has the money gone?
The first responders didn't get it. The food supply is insecure and so are large sections of our energy and telecommunication sectors. So where did the money go?
Did they really spend that much moolah learning how to squelch internal dissent?
Condoliza Rice did not do her job before 9/11 so we hired Tom Ridge to do it. He has not done the job either.
Yet another catastrophic Bush failure.
My question remains, who will be promoted this time?
Okay, who gets promoted this time?
The Bush administration is notorious for killing the messenger and promoting the corrupt and incompetent.
It seems to me that Amerika has spent an awful lot of capitol on our new Homeland Security Department. Hell, we even have a level 4 lab right in little old Hamilton, Mt.
It was my understanding that the Homeland Security Department was in charge of coordinatingall efforts for anything that could cause mass casualties.
There WAS a mass vaccination drill planned for Flathead County the day after they let us know that there would not be enough vaccine.
The Bush Administration KNEW there was a serious possibility that the vaccine would not be available nearly three weeks earlier. The Bush Administration was warned of the contamination on September 13.
Who is supposed to be responsible for this?
If our ports are unguarded as well as ourchemical plants and nuclear facilities, where has the money gone?
The first responders didn't get it. The food supply is insecure and so are large sections of our energy and telecommunication sectors. So where did the money go?
Did they really spend that much moolah learning how to squelch internal dissent?
Condoliza Rice did not do her job before 9/11 so we hired Tom Ridge to do it. He has not done the job either.
Yet another catastrophic Bush failure.
My question remains, who will be promoted this time?
Okay, who gets promoted this time?
The Bush administration is notorious for killing the messenger and promoting the corrupt and incompetent.
It seems to me that Amerika has spent an awful lot of capitol on our new Homeland Security Department. Hell, we even have a level 4 lab right in little old Hamilton, Mt.
It was my understanding that the Homeland Security Department was in charge of coordinatingall efforts for anything that could cause mass casualties.
There WAS a mass vaccination drill planned for Flathead County the day after they let us know that there would not be enough vaccine.
The Bush Administration KNEW there was a serious possibility that the vaccine would not be available nearly three weeks earlier. The Bush Administration was warned of the contamination on September 13.
Who is supposed to be responsible for this?
If our ports are unguarded as well as ourchemical plants and nuclear facilities, where has the money gone?
The first responders didn't get it. The food supply is insecure and so are large sections of our energy and telecommunication sectors. So where did the money go?
Did they really spend that much moolah learning how to squelch internal dissent?
Condoliza Rice did not do her job before 9/11 so we hired Tom Ridge to do it. He has not done the job either.
Yet another catastrophic Bush failure.
My question remains, who will be promoted this time?
Population growth is going to be adjusted/"corrected" (in Wall Streetish) by something, probably a plague. It's coming. It's almost preferable to a world of ten billions. It'll probably be helped by some governments or coalitions, deliberately, passively or by accident. Exactly how would be pretending to be psychic but there's nothing irresponsile in looking at history, looking at disease cycles and looking at human population growth and noting we're overdue.
Population growth is going to be adjusted/"corrected" (in Wall Streetish) by something, probably a plague. It's coming. It's almost preferable to a world of ten billions. It'll probably be helped by some governments or coalitions, deliberately, passively or by accident. Exactly how would be pretending to be psychic but there's nothing irresponsile in looking at history, looking at disease cycles and looking at human population growth and noting we're overdue.
Population growth is going to be adjusted/"corrected" (in Wall Streetish) by something, probably a plague. It's coming. It's almost preferable to a world of ten billions. It'll probably be helped by some governments or coalitions, deliberately, passively or by accident. Exactly how would be pretending to be psychic but there's nothing irresponsile in looking at history, looking at disease cycles and looking at human population growth and noting we're overdue.
"after all, EVERYONE knows the Canadians are TRYING TO KILL US."
Yeah, maybe they're tired of having a clueless nation of warmongers who think they're superior to everyone else as neighbors.
Can't say I'd blame them if that was the case!
"after all, EVERYONE knows the Canadians are TRYING TO KILL US."
Yeah, maybe they're tired of having a clueless nation of warmongers who think they're superior to everyone else as neighbors.
Can't say I'd blame them if that was the case!
"after all, EVERYONE knows the Canadians are TRYING TO KILL US."
Yeah, maybe they're tired of having a clueless nation of warmongers who think they're superior to everyone else as neighbors.
Can't say I'd blame them if that was the case!
Not to be alarmist: it's not like there is any reason to panic or thing that could really be done (except what the US will not do, like start building an infrastructure, etc).
Not to be alarmist: it's not like there is any reason to panic or thing that could really be done (except what the US will not do, like start building an infrastructure, etc).
Not to be alarmist: it's not like there is any reason to panic or thing that could really be done (except what the US will not do, like start building an infrastructure, etc).
Not just cancer patients on chemo; autoimmune disorders like lupus, arthritis, psoriasis, MS, and Wegener's Granulomatosis are often treated with daily or weekly doses of chemotherapy drugs and/or steroids. And they can't use the FluMist inhaled innoculation because it involves live flu germs.
Nice choice when the vaccine is scarce or nonexistent--go off the immunosuppressants that keep the disease at bay, or get the flu with potentially terrible consequences added to a grueling treatment regime and a painful disorder.
I have Wegener's, and the thought of getting flu is frightening. I know people who have had bone marrow or stem cell transplants who still aren't even allowed to eat some kind of yogurt, for god's sake, and what's going to happen to them?
Not just cancer patients on chemo; autoimmune disorders like lupus, arthritis, psoriasis, MS, and Wegener's Granulomatosis are often treated with daily or weekly doses of chemotherapy drugs and/or steroids. And they can't use the FluMist inhaled innoculation because it involves live flu germs.
Nice choice when the vaccine is scarce or nonexistent--go off the immunosuppressants that keep the disease at bay, or get the flu with potentially terrible consequences added to a grueling treatment regime and a painful disorder.
I have Wegener's, and the thought of getting flu is frightening. I know people who have had bone marrow or stem cell transplants who still aren't even allowed to eat some kind of yogurt, for god's sake, and what's going to happen to them?
Not just cancer patients on chemo; autoimmune disorders like lupus, arthritis, psoriasis, MS, and Wegener's Granulomatosis are often treated with daily or weekly doses of chemotherapy drugs and/or steroids. And they can't use the FluMist inhaled innoculation because it involves live flu germs.
Nice choice when the vaccine is scarce or nonexistent--go off the immunosuppressants that keep the disease at bay, or get the flu with potentially terrible consequences added to a grueling treatment regime and a painful disorder.
I have Wegener's, and the thought of getting flu is frightening. I know people who have had bone marrow or stem cell transplants who still aren't even allowed to eat some kind of yogurt, for god's sake, and what's going to happen to them?
Bushwahd,
You beat me to it. When I read this, my first thought was: "Well, now, isn't THAT convenient? All those seniors who won't be needing those pesky Social Security checks! All those annoying underprivileged kids who won't need Head Start or medical coverage or good schools..."
And I wouldn't put it past Rove to inject a virus into the general population. That guy really belongs in Satan's Mouth, down in the Eighth Ring of the Inferno.
Bushwahd,
You beat me to it. When I read this, my first thought was: "Well, now, isn't THAT convenient? All those seniors who won't be needing those pesky Social Security checks! All those annoying underprivileged kids who won't need Head Start or medical coverage or good schools..."
And I wouldn't put it past Rove to inject a virus into the general population. That guy really belongs in Satan's Mouth, down in the Eighth Ring of the Inferno.
Bushwahd,
You beat me to it. When I read this, my first thought was: "Well, now, isn't THAT convenient? All those seniors who won't be needing those pesky Social Security checks! All those annoying underprivileged kids who won't need Head Start or medical coverage or good schools..."
And I wouldn't put it past Rove to inject a virus into the general population. That guy really belongs in Satan's Mouth, down in the Eighth Ring of the Inferno.
kei & yuri, WTF are you talking about?
This is the second post I've seen that is over the top. Even for you.
I have to conclude that you're not...
kei & yuri, WTF are you talking about?
This is the second post I've seen that is over the top. Even for you.
I have to conclude that you're not...
kei & yuri, WTF are you talking about?
This is the second post I've seen that is over the top. Even for you.
I have to conclude that you're not...
Although I'm generally in good health, I have asthma, and even though it's only mild I nearly died four years ago when I got the flu and it was compounded with pneumonia. I live in Hawaii (the big island) and when I called my doctor yesterday to see if they had the shots in yet I was told they didn't and wouldn't! The nurse also said there was nothing else I could do. I teach and I face classrooms of sneezing/coughing students every day, and it's not even flu season yet. I guess I'll start wearing a surgical mask to class!
Although I'm generally in good health, I have asthma, and even though it's only mild I nearly died four years ago when I got the flu and it was compounded with pneumonia. I live in Hawaii (the big island) and when I called my doctor yesterday to see if they had the shots in yet I was told they didn't and wouldn't! The nurse also said there was nothing else I could do. I teach and I face classrooms of sneezing/coughing students every day, and it's not even flu season yet. I guess I'll start wearing a surgical mask to class!
Although I'm generally in good health, I have asthma, and even though it's only mild I nearly died four years ago when I got the flu and it was compounded with pneumonia. I live in Hawaii (the big island) and when I called my doctor yesterday to see if they had the shots in yet I was told they didn't and wouldn't! The nurse also said there was nothing else I could do. I teach and I face classrooms of sneezing/coughing students every day, and it's not even flu season yet. I guess I'll start wearing a surgical mask to class!
Bush may not need the flu shot.
He may be taking an anti-viral drug, if he didn't get his flu shot before this all happened. He should be asked this. I remind you that the White House physician would be guilty of malpractice if he did nothing to protect the health of the chief executive.
Influenza can be prophylactically treated with several drugs. The cheapest is amantadine, the easiest oseltamivir (Tamiflu), which also has a broader spectrum of action.
The question to ask Bush is not about flu shots, but about anti-viral therapy. Is he willing to make Tamiflu available for a 4 week* course for any one who wishes to take it for the the cost of a flu vaccine ($20- $25). This would be interesting since the normal Tamiflu cost would be about $180.
Bush may not need the flu shot.
He may be taking an anti-viral drug, if he didn't get his flu shot before this all happened. He should be asked this. I remind you that the White House physician would be guilty of malpractice if he did nothing to protect the health of the chief executive.
Influenza can be prophylactically treated with several drugs. The cheapest is amantadine, the easiest oseltamivir (Tamiflu), which also has a broader spectrum of action.
The question to ask Bush is not about flu shots, but about anti-viral therapy. Is he willing to make Tamiflu available for a 4 week* course for any one who wishes to take it for the the cost of a flu vaccine ($20- $25). This would be interesting since the normal Tamiflu cost would be about $180.
Bush may not need the flu shot.
He may be taking an anti-viral drug, if he didn't get his flu shot before this all happened. He should be asked this. I remind you that the White House physician would be guilty of malpractice if he did nothing to protect the health of the chief executive.
Influenza can be prophylactically treated with several drugs. The cheapest is amantadine, the easiest oseltamivir (Tamiflu), which also has a broader spectrum of action.
The question to ask Bush is not about flu shots, but about anti-viral therapy. Is he willing to make Tamiflu available for a 4 week* course for any one who wishes to take it for the the cost of a flu vaccine ($20- $25). This would be interesting since the normal Tamiflu cost would be about $180.
Remember how Dubya was lambasting Kerry in the debates about advocating policies that would lead to rationing healthcare in the future? Now it turns out that his policies, or lack thereof, have led to a rationing of flu vaccine today.
Remember how Dubya was lambasting Kerry in the debates about advocating policies that would lead to rationing healthcare in the future? Now it turns out that his policies, or lack thereof, have led to a rationing of flu vaccine today.
Remember how Dubya was lambasting Kerry in the debates about advocating policies that would lead to rationing healthcare in the future? Now it turns out that his policies, or lack thereof, have led to a rationing of flu vaccine today.
*6 weeks would be better. Sorry.
*6 weeks would be better. Sorry.
*6 weeks would be better. Sorry.
Against my will, I've indulged in a number of late-night tinfoil hat theories about the flu and the elections...especially given the Avian Flu problems in Southeast Asia.
I won't bore you with the details...the most disturbing thing about these scenarios is that I don't believe anyone in the Bush administration would have any moral objections to them. It'd just be a matter of logistics, cost/benefit, and so on.
I will observe, though, that vaccines--especially vaccines against a potential superflu--are a perfect example of why you shouldn't privatize public health. For-profit companies simply refuse to stockpile large amounts of vaccines that may expire before they're ever used. But it takes time to make a vaccine...up to a year, in some cases. I'd call the present policy short-sighted...if it weren't for the fact that it's a conscious decision by people who know exactly what's at stake.
Against my will, I've indulged in a number of late-night tinfoil hat theories about the flu and the elections...especially given the Avian Flu problems in Southeast Asia.
I won't bore you with the details...the most disturbing thing about these scenarios is that I don't believe anyone in the Bush administration would have any moral objections to them. It'd just be a matter of logistics, cost/benefit, and so on.
I will observe, though, that vaccines--especially vaccines against a potential superflu--are a perfect example of why you shouldn't privatize public health. For-profit companies simply refuse to stockpile large amounts of vaccines that may expire before they're ever used. But it takes time to make a vaccine...up to a year, in some cases. I'd call the present policy short-sighted...if it weren't for the fact that it's a conscious decision by people who know exactly what's at stake.
Against my will, I've indulged in a number of late-night tinfoil hat theories about the flu and the elections...especially given the Avian Flu problems in Southeast Asia.
I won't bore you with the details...the most disturbing thing about these scenarios is that I don't believe anyone in the Bush administration would have any moral objections to them. It'd just be a matter of logistics, cost/benefit, and so on.
I will observe, though, that vaccines--especially vaccines against a potential superflu--are a perfect example of why you shouldn't privatize public health. For-profit companies simply refuse to stockpile large amounts of vaccines that may expire before they're ever used. But it takes time to make a vaccine...up to a year, in some cases. I'd call the present policy short-sighted...if it weren't for the fact that it's a conscious decision by people who know exactly what's at stake.
One of the advances of the Clinton administration was to recognize that public health is a national security issue (both internationally and domestically). I'm not talking here about biological weapons, but about the instabilities caused by massive epidemics however they happen to begin.The current vaccine situation is yet another example of the particularly deadly combination of ideology and incompetence found in the Bush administration. This wouldn't have happened under Gore.
One of the advances of the Clinton administration was to recognize that public health is a national security issue (both internationally and domestically). I'm not talking here about biological weapons, but about the instabilities caused by massive epidemics however they happen to begin.The current vaccine situation is yet another example of the particularly deadly combination of ideology and incompetence found in the Bush administration. This wouldn't have happened under Gore.
One of the advances of the Clinton administration was to recognize that public health is a national security issue (both internationally and domestically). I'm not talking here about biological weapons, but about the instabilities caused by massive epidemics however they happen to begin.The current vaccine situation is yet another example of the particularly deadly combination of ideology and incompetence found in the Bush administration. This wouldn't have happened under Gore.
". I guess I'll start wearing a surgical mask to class!
everyman"
I've never had the pleasure of visiting Hawaii but I've been to Japan a couple times and was surprised (at first) at the huge number of Japanese who, as a matter of course and social hygiene, wear these masks all over the place. Kinda nice to know there is at least one altruistic culture on earth.
Another thought occurred to my black sense of humor about this whole GWBSNAFU:
This should serve as an excellent test of the US-Canada border security measures that have been put into place. I certainly hope our Canadian friends (some of whom are my direct relations since my granddad was born there!) can keep the hordes of American terrorists from surging over the border and stealing their drugs!
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". I guess I'll start wearing a surgical mask to class!
everyman"
I've never had the pleasure of visiting Hawaii but I've been to Japan a couple times and was surprised (at first) at the huge number of Japanese who, as a matter of course and social hygiene, wear these masks all over the place. Kinda nice to know there is at least one altruistic culture on earth.
Another thought occurred to my black sense of humor about this whole GWBSNAFU:
This should serve as an excellent test of the US-Canada border security measures that have been put into place. I certainly hope our Canadian friends (some of whom are my direct relations since my granddad was born there!) can keep the hordes of American terrorists from surging over the border and stealing their drugs!
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". I guess I'll start wearing a surgical mask to class!
everyman"
I've never had the pleasure of visiting Hawaii but I've been to Japan a couple times and was surprised (at first) at the huge number of Japanese who, as a matter of course and social hygiene, wear these masks all over the place. Kinda nice to know there is at least one altruistic culture on earth.
Another thought occurred to my black sense of humor about this whole GWBSNAFU:
This should serve as an excellent test of the US-Canada border security measures that have been put into place. I certainly hope our Canadian friends (some of whom are my direct relations since my granddad was born there!) can keep the hordes of American terrorists from surging over the border and stealing their drugs!
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Someone help me out here. Wasn't there a problem with the vaccine last year? Like, they used the wrong strain or something?
Someone help me out here. Wasn't there a problem with the vaccine last year? Like, they used the wrong strain or something?
Someone help me out here. Wasn't there a problem with the vaccine last year? Like, they used the wrong strain or something?
I have a basic question that I've never seen asked or answered.
Does anyone know if there may be long-term immune-system implications for people who faithfully get flu shots, year after year, and other vaccinations too? It worries me that after many annual challenges to the immune system, and the response of antibody production, that the immune system might either shut down or become so hyper-sensitive that you get autoimmune diseases or bad allergies or something. This bothers me in that in recent years I've become more allergic to more stuff than I ever was even ten years ago, much less as a child, and I'm well-vaccinated. Does anybody know if this has been postulated or studied by anyone?
I have a basic question that I've never seen asked or answered.
Does anyone know if there may be long-term immune-system implications for people who faithfully get flu shots, year after year, and other vaccinations too? It worries me that after many annual challenges to the immune system, and the response of antibody production, that the immune system might either shut down or become so hyper-sensitive that you get autoimmune diseases or bad allergies or something. This bothers me in that in recent years I've become more allergic to more stuff than I ever was even ten years ago, much less as a child, and I'm well-vaccinated. Does anybody know if this has been postulated or studied by anyone?
I have a basic question that I've never seen asked or answered.
Does anyone know if there may be long-term immune-system implications for people who faithfully get flu shots, year after year, and other vaccinations too? It worries me that after many annual challenges to the immune system, and the response of antibody production, that the immune system might either shut down or become so hyper-sensitive that you get autoimmune diseases or bad allergies or something. This bothers me in that in recent years I've become more allergic to more stuff than I ever was even ten years ago, much less as a child, and I'm well-vaccinated. Does anybody know if this has been postulated or studied by anyone?
One more thought, then I'll shut up.
The Bushies are trying to gain a bit of traction (visions of fingernails scraping across rock as their weight pulls them over the edge of the cliff) by claiming that Kerry voted against the bill that would lower liability against vaccine manufacturers, so it's all his fault.
Ahem, wasn't that the bill that absolved the Big Pharma makers of that vile stuff that is now believed to have caused an epidemic of autism? Someone here can probably pop up a relevant link faster than I (because I'm lazier than they are).
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One more thought, then I'll shut up.
The Bushies are trying to gain a bit of traction (visions of fingernails scraping across rock as their weight pulls them over the edge of the cliff) by claiming that Kerry voted against the bill that would lower liability against vaccine manufacturers, so it's all his fault.
Ahem, wasn't that the bill that absolved the Big Pharma makers of that vile stuff that is now believed to have caused an epidemic of autism? Someone here can probably pop up a relevant link faster than I (because I'm lazier than they are).
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One more thought, then I'll shut up.
The Bushies are trying to gain a bit of traction (visions of fingernails scraping across rock as their weight pulls them over the edge of the cliff) by claiming that Kerry voted against the bill that would lower liability against vaccine manufacturers, so it's all his fault.
Ahem, wasn't that the bill that absolved the Big Pharma makers of that vile stuff that is now believed to have caused an epidemic of autism? Someone here can probably pop up a relevant link faster than I (because I'm lazier than they are).
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the NY Times is on this in tomorrow's edition:
With Few Suppliers of Flu Shots, Shortage Was Long in Making
and they're already blaming Clinton:
Bill Pierce, a spokesman for Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy G. Thompson, acknowledged that vaccine supplies in the United States were vulnerable to disruptions. But he blamed years of neglect by previous administrations.
the NY Times is on this in tomorrow's edition:
With Few Suppliers of Flu Shots, Shortage Was Long in Making
and they're already blaming Clinton:
Bill Pierce, a spokesman for Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy G. Thompson, acknowledged that vaccine supplies in the United States were vulnerable to disruptions. But he blamed years of neglect by previous administrations.
the NY Times is on this in tomorrow's edition:
With Few Suppliers of Flu Shots, Shortage Was Long in Making
and they're already blaming Clinton:
Bill Pierce, a spokesman for Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy G. Thompson, acknowledged that vaccine supplies in the United States were vulnerable to disruptions. But he blamed years of neglect by previous administrations.
The vaccine shortage can easily be the issue that allows Kerry to break out and win the election. In fact, it is exactly the sort of festering disaster that the Iraq war was five weeks ago, before Kerry did the awesome, Clinton-assisted pivot that began his comeback.
It's such an easy and obvious sound bite. "The president is blaming the Clinton administration for the vaccine shortage. He's blaming trial lawyers. Well, Mr. President, you've been in charge for four years. We need vaccines, not excuses."
It also helps that the charge of Bush administration negligence is true. This presidency has done nothing policy-wise except what was scripted by Karl Rove to shore up the conservative base. Wading in to solve a complicated situation like the way drug companies are disincented to make flu vaccines is exactly the sort of wonky, Clinton-esque "activism" the Bush administration ideologues are contemptuous of. Now, Americans are paying the price by long lines and the prospect of a nightmarish flu season.
The vaccine shortage can easily be the issue that allows Kerry to break out and win the election. In fact, it is exactly the sort of festering disaster that the Iraq war was five weeks ago, before Kerry did the awesome, Clinton-assisted pivot that began his comeback.
It's such an easy and obvious sound bite. "The president is blaming the Clinton administration for the vaccine shortage. He's blaming trial lawyers. Well, Mr. President, you've been in charge for four years. We need vaccines, not excuses."
It also helps that the charge of Bush administration negligence is true. This presidency has done nothing policy-wise except what was scripted by Karl Rove to shore up the conservative base. Wading in to solve a complicated situation like the way drug companies are disincented to make flu vaccines is exactly the sort of wonky, Clinton-esque "activism" the Bush administration ideologues are contemptuous of. Now, Americans are paying the price by long lines and the prospect of a nightmarish flu season.
The vaccine shortage can easily be the issue that allows Kerry to break out and win the election. In fact, it is exactly the sort of festering disaster that the Iraq war was five weeks ago, before Kerry did the awesome, Clinton-assisted pivot that began his comeback.
It's such an easy and obvious sound bite. "The president is blaming the Clinton administration for the vaccine shortage. He's blaming trial lawyers. Well, Mr. President, you've been in charge for four years. We need vaccines, not excuses."
It also helps that the charge of Bush administration negligence is true. This presidency has done nothing policy-wise except what was scripted by Karl Rove to shore up the conservative base. Wading in to solve a complicated situation like the way drug companies are disincented to make flu vaccines is exactly the sort of wonky, Clinton-esque "activism" the Bush administration ideologues are contemptuous of. Now, Americans are paying the price by long lines and the prospect of a nightmarish flu season.
The vaccine shortage can easily be the issue that allows Kerry to break out and win the election. In fact, it is exactly the sort of festering disaster that the Iraq war was five weeks ago, before Kerry did the awesome, Clinton-assisted pivot that began his comeback.
It's such an easy and obvious sound bite. "The president is blaming the Clinton administration for the vaccine shortage. He's blaming trial lawyers. Well, Mr. President, you've been in charge for four years. We need vaccines, not excuses."
It also helps that the charge of Bush administration negligence is true. This presidency has done nothing policy-wise except what was scripted by Karl Rove to shore up the conservative base. Wading in to solve a complicated situation like the way drug companies are disincented to make flu vaccines is exactly the sort of wonky, Clinton-esque "activism" the Bush administration ideologues are contemptuous of. Now, Americans are paying the price by long lines and the prospect of a nightmarish flu season.
The vaccine shortage can easily be the issue that allows Kerry to break out and win the election. In fact, it is exactly the sort of festering disaster that the Iraq war was five weeks ago, before Kerry did the awesome, Clinton-assisted pivot that began his comeback.
It's such an easy and obvious sound bite. "The president is blaming the Clinton administration for the vaccine shortage. He's blaming trial lawyers. Well, Mr. President, you've been in charge for four years. We need vaccines, not excuses."
It also helps that the charge of Bush administration negligence is true. This presidency has done nothing policy-wise except what was scripted by Karl Rove to shore up the conservative base. Wading in to solve a complicated situation like the way drug companies are disincented to make flu vaccines is exactly the sort of wonky, Clinton-esque "activism" the Bush administration ideologues are contemptuous of. Now, Americans are paying the price by long lines and the prospect of a nightmarish flu season.
The vaccine shortage can easily be the issue that allows Kerry to break out and win the election. In fact, it is exactly the sort of festering disaster that the Iraq war was five weeks ago, before Kerry did the awesome, Clinton-assisted pivot that began his comeback.
It's such an easy and obvious sound bite. "The president is blaming the Clinton administration for the vaccine shortage. He's blaming trial lawyers. Well, Mr. President, you've been in charge for four years. We need vaccines, not excuses."
It also helps that the charge of Bush administration negligence is true. This presidency has done nothing policy-wise except what was scripted by Karl Rove to shore up the conservative base. Wading in to solve a complicated situation like the way drug companies are disincented to make flu vaccines is exactly the sort of wonky, Clinton-esque "activism" the Bush administration ideologues are contemptuous of. Now, Americans are paying the price by long lines and the prospect of a nightmarish flu season.
But he blamed years of neglect by previous administrations
So three and a half years arent enough time to fix minor problems?
When will this junior administration get a grip?
I know,I know.After Nov 2
But he blamed years of neglect by previous administrations
So three and a half years arent enough time to fix minor problems?
When will this junior administration get a grip?
I know,I know.After Nov 2
But he blamed years of neglect by previous administrations
So three and a half years arent enough time to fix minor problems?
When will this junior administration get a grip?
I know,I know.After Nov 2
my grandmother died in the 1918 epidemic -- she was a healthy 24 year old woman and it killed her in 12 hours
the US has not faced anything like that since that time -- certainly not since TB was defeated by antibiotics in the mid 40s
I am glad to see Kerry pointing out the obvious and sorry he didn't hit that ball out of the park last friday
my grandmother died in the 1918 epidemic -- she was a healthy 24 year old woman and it killed her in 12 hours
the US has not faced anything like that since that time -- certainly not since TB was defeated by antibiotics in the mid 40s
I am glad to see Kerry pointing out the obvious and sorry he didn't hit that ball out of the park last friday
my grandmother died in the 1918 epidemic -- she was a healthy 24 year old woman and it killed her in 12 hours
the US has not faced anything like that since that time -- certainly not since TB was defeated by antibiotics in the mid 40s
I am glad to see Kerry pointing out the obvious and sorry he didn't hit that ball out of the park last friday
Take off those tin-foil hats everyone. At least the ones that have to do with the necessity for the flu vaccine.
Anyone in in infectious disease or public health has been urging, begging, and pleading with "healthy" people to get a yearly flu shot ever since I went to med school which is longer ago than I like to admit.
I myself have been getting yearly flu shots for 40+ years and while I am a "contact" health care provider now I wasn't always. My son of 17 has had yearly flu shots since he was 6 months old, long before the ACIP recommended it for infants.
This year I think I may use Tamiflu for my son and the FluMist for myself. Those of you who cannot get shots should consider FluMist. If you cannot find that get an anti-viral.
Flu is never "mild," never a joke. It kills every year, often people who are healthy. I pronounced both a 12 year-old and 22 year-old last year. Both collapsed without warning. Both had pneumonia following flu. A lot of what people call flu is actually adenovirus, a much milder illness.
If you're sick and you wonder "Is it flu?" use the "wish to die" test. If you don't wish to die, preferably 5 minutes ago, it's probably not.
Take off those tin-foil hats everyone. At least the ones that have to do with the necessity for the flu vaccine.
Anyone in in infectious disease or public health has been urging, begging, and pleading with "healthy" people to get a yearly flu shot ever since I went to med school which is longer ago than I like to admit.
I myself have been getting yearly flu shots for 40+ years and while I am a "contact" health care provider now I wasn't always. My son of 17 has had yearly flu shots since he was 6 months old, long before the ACIP recommended it for infants.
This year I think I may use Tamiflu for my son and the FluMist for myself. Those of you who cannot get shots should consider FluMist. If you cannot find that get an anti-viral.
Flu is never "mild," never a joke. It kills every year, often people who are healthy. I pronounced both a 12 year-old and 22 year-old last year. Both collapsed without warning. Both had pneumonia following flu. A lot of what people call flu is actually adenovirus, a much milder illness.
If you're sick and you wonder "Is it flu?" use the "wish to die" test. If you don't wish to die, preferably 5 minutes ago, it's probably not.
Take off those tin-foil hats everyone. At least the ones that have to do with the necessity for the flu vaccine.
Anyone in in infectious disease or public health has been urging, begging, and pleading with "healthy" people to get a yearly flu shot ever since I went to med school which is longer ago than I like to admit.
I myself have been getting yearly flu shots for 40+ years and while I am a "contact" health care provider now I wasn't always. My son of 17 has had yearly flu shots since he was 6 months old, long before the ACIP recommended it for infants.
This year I think I may use Tamiflu for my son and the FluMist for myself. Those of you who cannot get shots should consider FluMist. If you cannot find that get an anti-viral.
Flu is never "mild," never a joke. It kills every year, often people who are healthy. I pronounced both a 12 year-old and 22 year-old last year. Both collapsed without warning. Both had pneumonia following flu. A lot of what people call flu is actually adenovirus, a much milder illness.
If you're sick and you wonder "Is it flu?" use the "wish to die" test. If you don't wish to die, preferably 5 minutes ago, it's probably not.
caduceus,
thanks for the simple test. i think i last had the flu as you describe it in 1996. not in any hurry to repeat that experience.
caduceus,
thanks for the simple test. i think i last had the flu as you describe it in 1996. not in any hurry to repeat that experience.
caduceus,
thanks for the simple test. i think i last had the flu as you describe it in 1996. not in any hurry to repeat that experience.
The existence of a problem was known prior to 8 Sep 04. I specifically remember discussing this with an MD on that date, and I had seen that info published in the lay press.
I am concerned about my father. He lives in an assisted living facility. The clinic there had scheduled flu vaccines to take place last week. It was cancelled-they couldnt get any vaccine. There doesn't seem to be any national plan to make sure the people who are highest at risk actually get priority. This is a building with a couple of hundred people in their 80's and 90's. In close quarters, any contagious disease spreads like wildfire.
The existence of a problem was known prior to 8 Sep 04. I specifically remember discussing this with an MD on that date, and I had seen that info published in the lay press.
I am concerned about my father. He lives in an assisted living facility. The clinic there had scheduled flu vaccines to take place last week. It was cancelled-they couldnt get any vaccine. There doesn't seem to be any national plan to make sure the people who are highest at risk actually get priority. This is a building with a couple of hundred people in their 80's and 90's. In close quarters, any contagious disease spreads like wildfire.
The existence of a problem was known prior to 8 Sep 04. I specifically remember discussing this with an MD on that date, and I had seen that info published in the lay press.
I am concerned about my father. He lives in an assisted living facility. The clinic there had scheduled flu vaccines to take place last week. It was cancelled-they couldnt get any vaccine. There doesn't seem to be any national plan to make sure the people who are highest at risk actually get priority. This is a building with a couple of hundred people in their 80's and 90's. In close quarters, any contagious disease spreads like wildfire.
Mr. Shackleford,
Vaccines are the very best thing for the immune system. It gets stronger and faster the more it challenged. The immune system, both cell-based and tissue-based, gets bored with nothing to do, and starts looking for work. What it usually finds is mischief.
Many of the auto-immune diseases, where the body attacks itself, are thought to be due to the immune system getting its signals crossed when it is challenged after a period of inactivity in that area.
I suppose I should be pedantic and say that the immune system likes real diseases the best. There's nothing like the immunity given by the disease itself. It's why kids who get the MMR shots have to have a booster. Those of us who had measles, mumps and rubella have lifelong immune titers. Same is true of polio, and a bunch of others.
Problem is that while the immune system is having a ball, you may very well have a complication. Not good. So while diseases are more fun for your immune system, vaccines are better for you.
Mr. Shackleford,
Vaccines are the very best thing for the immune system. It gets stronger and faster the more it challenged. The immune system, both cell-based and tissue-based, gets bored with nothing to do, and starts looking for work. What it usually finds is mischief.
Many of the auto-immune diseases, where the body attacks itself, are thought to be due to the immune system getting its signals crossed when it is challenged after a period of inactivity in that area.
I suppose I should be pedantic and say that the immune system likes real diseases the best. There's nothing like the immunity given by the disease itself. It's why kids who get the MMR shots have to have a booster. Those of us who had measles, mumps and rubella have lifelong immune titers. Same is true of polio, and a bunch of others.
Problem is that while the immune system is having a ball, you may very well have a complication. Not good. So while diseases are more fun for your immune system, vaccines are better for you.
Mr. Shackleford,
Vaccines are the very best thing for the immune system. It gets stronger and faster the more it challenged. The immune system, both cell-based and tissue-based, gets bored with nothing to do, and starts looking for work. What it usually finds is mischief.
Many of the auto-immune diseases, where the body attacks itself, are thought to be due to the immune system getting its signals crossed when it is challenged after a period of inactivity in that area.
I suppose I should be pedantic and say that the immune system likes real diseases the best. There's nothing like the immunity given by the disease itself. It's why kids who get the MMR shots have to have a booster. Those of us who had measles, mumps and rubella have lifelong immune titers. Same is true of polio, and a bunch of others.
Problem is that while the immune system is having a ball, you may very well have a complication. Not good. So while diseases are more fun for your immune system, vaccines are better for you.
More:
Lots of anecdotal stuff on vaccines and allergies. No proof. In fact, one of the treatments for severe allergies, is "allergy shots" which are increasingly concentrated solutions of the offending allergen given to let the immune system gear up, get used to having the allergen around and quit reacting to it
More:
Lots of anecdotal stuff on vaccines and allergies. No proof. In fact, one of the treatments for severe allergies, is "allergy shots" which are increasingly concentrated solutions of the offending allergen given to let the immune system gear up, get used to having the allergen around and quit reacting to it
More:
Lots of anecdotal stuff on vaccines and allergies. No proof. In fact, one of the treatments for severe allergies, is "allergy shots" which are increasingly concentrated solutions of the offending allergen given to let the immune system gear up, get used to having the allergen around and quit reacting to it
Great ad. But I do have one thing I'd have done differently. Instead of saying "A George Bush mess," I'd have preferred it say "ANOTHER George Bush mess.
Great ad. But I do have one thing I'd have done differently. Instead of saying "A George Bush mess," I'd have preferred it say "ANOTHER George Bush mess.
Great ad. But I do have one thing I'd have done differently. Instead of saying "A George Bush mess," I'd have preferred it say "ANOTHER George Bush mess.
To get the flu shot, my pregnant wife had to:
1. Call her doctor to get a flu shot prescription faxed to her.
2. Her doctor didn't have the flu shot "you're on your own...buh-bye!"
3. American Lung Association website says go to location X for shot at 10 AM. She get's there at 9:30, all out.
4. 2nd try - Instructions: "Go to location Y at 10 AM". She gets there at 7:30 AM for ticket #66 of 100 total. Waits another 3 hours in line for the shot. And Yay! Back pain the rest of the day.
To get the flu shot, my pregnant wife had to:
1. Call her doctor to get a flu shot prescription faxed to her.
2. Her doctor didn't have the flu shot "you're on your own...buh-bye!"
3. American Lung Association website says go to location X for shot at 10 AM. She get's there at 9:30, all out.
4. 2nd try - Instructions: "Go to location Y at 10 AM". She gets there at 7:30 AM for ticket #66 of 100 total. Waits another 3 hours in line for the shot. And Yay! Back pain the rest of the day.
To get the flu shot, my pregnant wife had to:
1. Call her doctor to get a flu shot prescription faxed to her.
2. Her doctor didn't have the flu shot "you're on your own...buh-bye!"
3. American Lung Association website says go to location X for shot at 10 AM. She get's there at 9:30, all out.
4. 2nd try - Instructions: "Go to location Y at 10 AM". She gets there at 7:30 AM for ticket #66 of 100 total. Waits another 3 hours in line for the shot. And Yay! Back pain the rest of the day.
Thanks, caduceus. Is there, in fact, though, an increase in allergies in recent years? And, if so, why?
Not trying to be a crazy here, but I do wonder about the possible influence of things as unnoticed as plastic packaging of food, teflon cookware, aerosol room sprays, aluminum-compound antidepressants, etc. Do we have environmental pressure on our collective biology?
Thanks, caduceus. Is there, in fact, though, an increase in allergies in recent years? And, if so, why?
Not trying to be a crazy here, but I do wonder about the possible influence of things as unnoticed as plastic packaging of food, teflon cookware, aerosol room sprays, aluminum-compound antidepressants, etc. Do we have environmental pressure on our collective biology?
Thanks, caduceus. Is there, in fact, though, an increase in allergies in recent years? And, if so, why?
Not trying to be a crazy here, but I do wonder about the possible influence of things as unnoticed as plastic packaging of food, teflon cookware, aerosol room sprays, aluminum-compound antidepressants, etc. Do we have environmental pressure on our collective biology?
The Great Influenza, which people have referred to above, is one of the scariest books I ever read.
And one reason that strain killed so many people was because the governments lied to people about what was really going on. In some cities (Philadelphia, IIRC), the mayor absolutely refused to tell people that Influenza was in the city. Result? No quarantine, none of the simplest ways the spread could have been slowed. Similarly, President Wilson was so focused on getting the troops to Europe that he, too, suppressed information about the extent of the flu and even transferred soldiers from the camps where there were early outbreaks, spreading the flu more rapidly across the country.
That's what I'm worried about if there's another deadly influenza strain. Does anyone here think the Bush Administration or any of its minions would hesitate to lie about the seriousness of the situation?
I highly recommend The Great Influenza, by the way. Excellent book.
The Great Influenza, which people have referred to above, is one of the scariest books I ever read.
And one reason that strain killed so many people was because the governments lied to people about what was really going on. In some cities (Philadelphia, IIRC), the mayor absolutely refused to tell people that Influenza was in the city. Result? No quarantine, none of the simplest ways the spread could have been slowed. Similarly, President Wilson was so focused on getting the troops to Europe that he, too, suppressed information about the extent of the flu and even transferred soldiers from the camps where there were early outbreaks, spreading the flu more rapidly across the country.
That's what I'm worried about if there's another deadly influenza strain. Does anyone here think the Bush Administration or any of its minions would hesitate to lie about the seriousness of the situation?
I highly recommend The Great Influenza, by the way. Excellent book.
The Great Influenza, which people have referred to above, is one of the scariest books I ever read.
And one reason that strain killed so many people was because the governments lied to people about what was really going on. In some cities (Philadelphia, IIRC), the mayor absolutely refused to tell people that Influenza was in the city. Result? No quarantine, none of the simplest ways the spread could have been slowed. Similarly, President Wilson was so focused on getting the troops to Europe that he, too, suppressed information about the extent of the flu and even transferred soldiers from the camps where there were early outbreaks, spreading the flu more rapidly across the country.
That's what I'm worried about if there's another deadly influenza strain. Does anyone here think the Bush Administration or any of its minions would hesitate to lie about the seriousness of the situation?
I highly recommend The Great Influenza, by the way. Excellent book.
Why they don't say this is a Homeland security issue is a mystery to me. We've got stockpiles of smallpox vaccine--which may or may not be a real threat--but no flu vaccine. Look, they are going to try to make this a tort reform issue but it's not.
Why they don't say this is a Homeland security issue is a mystery to me. We've got stockpiles of smallpox vaccine--which may or may not be a real threat--but no flu vaccine. Look, they are going to try to make this a tort reform issue but it's not.
Why they don't say this is a Homeland security issue is a mystery to me. We've got stockpiles of smallpox vaccine--which may or may not be a real threat--but no flu vaccine. Look, they are going to try to make this a tort reform issue but it's not.
Public health?
That sounds like a librul socialist conspiracy to me.
And there might be science involved too! We can't have that.
Nope.
Prayer healing and faith-based medicine for everyone!
Public health?
That sounds like a librul socialist conspiracy to me.
And there might be science involved too! We can't have that.
Nope.
Prayer healing and faith-based medicine for everyone!
Public health?
That sounds like a librul socialist conspiracy to me.
And there might be science involved too! We can't have that.
Nope.
Prayer healing and faith-based medicine for everyone!
Dang, I meant antiperspirants. Uuuuf, perhaps one too many vodka & tonics tonight.
Dang, I meant antiperspirants. Uuuuf, perhaps one too many vodka & tonics tonight.
Dang, I meant antiperspirants. Uuuuf, perhaps one too many vodka & tonics tonight.
I don't think Kerry scores points with the flu vaccine. There are so many things a President is responsible for, and the flu vaccine isn't something he should have to oversee personally. I wouldn't expect Bush 41, Clinton, or President Kerry to have to get involved with the flu vaccine. It's a failure of the CDC or NIH or whatever.
Keeps the focus on the traditional big issues - Iraq, healthcare, education, environment, dependence on foreigh oil, jobs, etc. In other words, stuff that people usually hold the president accountable.
I don't think Kerry scores points with the flu vaccine. There are so many things a President is responsible for, and the flu vaccine isn't something he should have to oversee personally. I wouldn't expect Bush 41, Clinton, or President Kerry to have to get involved with the flu vaccine. It's a failure of the CDC or NIH or whatever.
Keeps the focus on the traditional big issues - Iraq, healthcare, education, environment, dependence on foreigh oil, jobs, etc. In other words, stuff that people usually hold the president accountable.
I don't think Kerry scores points with the flu vaccine. There are so many things a President is responsible for, and the flu vaccine isn't something he should have to oversee personally. I wouldn't expect Bush 41, Clinton, or President Kerry to have to get involved with the flu vaccine. It's a failure of the CDC or NIH or whatever.
Keeps the focus on the traditional big issues - Iraq, healthcare, education, environment, dependence on foreigh oil, jobs, etc. In other words, stuff that people usually hold the president accountable.
GWB: I was against importing vaccines from Canada before I was for them. I'm George Dumbyah Bush and I unproved my message.
GWB: I was against importing vaccines from Canada before I was for them. I'm George Dumbyah Bush and I unproved my message.
GWB: I was against importing vaccines from Canada before I was for them. I'm George Dumbyah Bush and I unproved my message.
Forget about the flu shot. Move on.
Remember all of the other things - the BIG things - about the Bush administration that make your blood boil -
Florida 2000!!
No WMDs!!
Secret Energy Policy Meetings!!
No Justice for Saudi-911 connection!!
Drug Companies fucking America up the ass!!
Medicare drug price bargaining ILLEGAL!!
Big corporations shifting taxes on YOU!!
Come on folks, lose sight of the big picture and we lose the big game. If we waste several news cycles bitching about the flu shot, we lose time to keep Bush's feet to the fire on the BIG issues.
Forget about the flu shot. Move on.
Remember all of the other things - the BIG things - about the Bush administration that make your blood boil -
Florida 2000!!
No WMDs!!
Secret Energy Policy Meetings!!
No Justice for Saudi-911 connection!!
Drug Companies fucking America up the ass!!
Medicare drug price bargaining ILLEGAL!!
Big corporations shifting taxes on YOU!!
Come on folks, lose sight of the big picture and we lose the big game. If we waste several news cycles bitching about the flu shot, we lose time to keep Bush's feet to the fire on the BIG issues.
Forget about the flu shot. Move on.
Remember all of the other things - the BIG things - about the Bush administration that make your blood boil -
Florida 2000!!
No WMDs!!
Secret Energy Policy Meetings!!
No Justice for Saudi-911 connection!!
Drug Companies fucking America up the ass!!
Medicare drug price bargaining ILLEGAL!!
Big corporations shifting taxes on YOU!!
Come on folks, lose sight of the big picture and we lose the big game. If we waste several news cycles bitching about the flu shot, we lose time to keep Bush's feet to the fire on the BIG issues.
Sorry for the repeat post:
Shaheen: Bush Knew Of Possible Flu Vaccine Shortage
POSTED: 1:29 pm EDT October 15, 2004
NORTH CONWAY, N.H. -- Former Gov. Jeanne Shaheen told a New Hampshire audience Friday that two government reports earlier in President George W. Bush's tenure advised of possible problems with flu-vaccine supplies.
Speaking in North Conway, Shaheen said the Bush administration did not prepare for problems despite the reports in 2001 and 2003.
Sorry for the repeat post:
Shaheen: Bush Knew Of Possible Flu Vaccine Shortage
POSTED: 1:29 pm EDT October 15, 2004
NORTH CONWAY, N.H. -- Former Gov. Jeanne Shaheen told a New Hampshire audience Friday that two government reports earlier in President George W. Bush's tenure advised of possible problems with flu-vaccine supplies.
Speaking in North Conway, Shaheen said the Bush administration did not prepare for problems despite the reports in 2001 and 2003.
Sorry for the repeat post:
Shaheen: Bush Knew Of Possible Flu Vaccine Shortage
POSTED: 1:29 pm EDT October 15, 2004
NORTH CONWAY, N.H. -- Former Gov. Jeanne Shaheen told a New Hampshire audience Friday that two government reports earlier in President George W. Bush's tenure advised of possible problems with flu-vaccine supplies.
Speaking in North Conway, Shaheen said the Bush administration did not prepare for problems despite the reports in 2001 and 2003.
Mr. Shackleford,
Well, that's an interesting question. There's no doubt that more people are being treated for allergies. There's also no doubt that the longer you live the more likely you are to have, or have had, some allergy or other. However, many, maybe most, allergies change over time. You can grow into and out of allergies. Whether or not the total allergic incidence is greater I don't know, but I don't think so.
It's not that there are not new challenges to our immune systems. However, I am not convinced that these new challenges are worse than the old ones: parasitic diseases, bacterially contaminated water, and rotten food being just some that come to mind.
It is true that new challenges to the immune system take some time.
cont'd
Mr. Shackleford,
Well, that's an interesting question. There's no doubt that more people are being treated for allergies. There's also no doubt that the longer you live the more likely you are to have, or have had, some allergy or other. However, many, maybe most, allergies change over time. You can grow into and out of allergies. Whether or not the total allergic incidence is greater I don't know, but I don't think so.
It's not that there are not new challenges to our immune systems. However, I am not convinced that these new challenges are worse than the old ones: parasitic diseases, bacterially contaminated water, and rotten food being just some that come to mind.
It is true that new challenges to the immune system take some time.
cont'd
Mr. Shackleford,
Well, that's an interesting question. There's no doubt that more people are being treated for allergies. There's also no doubt that the longer you live the more likely you are to have, or have had, some allergy or other. However, many, maybe most, allergies change over time. You can grow into and out of allergies. Whether or not the total allergic incidence is greater I don't know, but I don't think so.
It's not that there are not new challenges to our immune systems. However, I am not convinced that these new challenges are worse than the old ones: parasitic diseases, bacterially contaminated water, and rotten food being just some that come to mind.
It is true that new challenges to the immune system take some time.
cont'd
More:
Most people don't know that the reason that the "smallpox" is the "smallpox" is because syphilis was the "Great Pox." When it first came to Europe the rash of secondary syphilis usually meant severe illness, very often death within a few days. The same thing was true for measles which Europeans brought it to the native American populations.
Epidemics certainly helped the colonists colonize the Americas and the Pacific Islands, by reducing or weakening the native peoples.
Today syphilis is rarely fatal even if untreated, and Native Americans and Pacific Islanders are no more likely to die of measles than any one else. The same thing is true of HIV. Even today there are people who do not get full blown AIDS if infected. Some even clear their viral loads without treatment.
The challenge of inanimate ions such as metals or plastics is not exactly an immune system question. There is no doubt that some people tolerate this type of contaminant better than others. Not everyone at Love Canal developed cancer, after all, but I do not think that the immune system is the only actor here.
Hope that helps. You owe me big. I usually don't type, just dictate.
More:
Most people don't know that the reason that the "smallpox" is the "smallpox" is because syphilis was the "Great Pox." When it first came to Europe the rash of secondary syphilis usually meant severe illness, very often death within a few days. The same thing was true for measles which Europeans brought it to the native American populations.
Epidemics certainly helped the colonists colonize the Americas and the Pacific Islands, by reducing or weakening the native peoples.
Today syphilis is rarely fatal even if untreated, and Native Americans and Pacific Islanders are no more likely to die of measles than any one else. The same thing is true of HIV. Even today there are people who do not get full blown AIDS if infected. Some even clear their viral loads without treatment.
The challenge of inanimate ions such as metals or plastics is not exactly an immune system question. There is no doubt that some people tolerate this type of contaminant better than others. Not everyone at Love Canal developed cancer, after all, but I do not think that the immune system is the only actor here.
Hope that helps. You owe me big. I usually don't type, just dictate.
More:
Most people don't know that the reason that the "smallpox" is the "smallpox" is because syphilis was the "Great Pox." When it first came to Europe the rash of secondary syphilis usually meant severe illness, very often death within a few days. The same thing was true for measles which Europeans brought it to the native American populations.
Epidemics certainly helped the colonists colonize the Americas and the Pacific Islands, by reducing or weakening the native peoples.
Today syphilis is rarely fatal even if untreated, and Native Americans and Pacific Islanders are no more likely to die of measles than any one else. The same thing is true of HIV. Even today there are people who do not get full blown AIDS if infected. Some even clear their viral loads without treatment.
The challenge of inanimate ions such as metals or plastics is not exactly an immune system question. There is no doubt that some people tolerate this type of contaminant better than others. Not everyone at Love Canal developed cancer, after all, but I do not think that the immune system is the only actor here.
Hope that helps. You owe me big. I usually don't type, just dictate.
Let me be clearer.
The same immune adaptation is happening with HIV. Some people seem to be naturally able to become immune to the virus. We must figure out what they do that most people now don't in order to avoid having to wait 100 or 200 hundred years for the virus to attenuate and the human population to develop enough immunity so that HIV is a nuisance, not a killer.
Let me be clearer.
The same immune adaptation is happening with HIV. Some people seem to be naturally able to become immune to the virus. We must figure out what they do that most people now don't in order to avoid having to wait 100 or 200 hundred years for the virus to attenuate and the human population to develop enough immunity so that HIV is a nuisance, not a killer.
Let me be clearer.
The same immune adaptation is happening with HIV. Some people seem to be naturally able to become immune to the virus. We must figure out what they do that most people now don't in order to avoid having to wait 100 or 200 hundred years for the virus to attenuate and the human population to develop enough immunity so that HIV is a nuisance, not a killer.
Sorry for the repeat post:
Shaheen: Bush Knew Of Possible Flu Vaccine Shortage
POSTED: 1:29 pm EDT October 15, 2004
NORTH CONWAY, N.H. -- Former Gov. Jeanne Shaheen told a New Hampshire audience Friday that two government reports earlier in President George W. Bush's tenure advised of possible problems with flu-vaccine supplies.
Speaking in North Conway, Shaheen said the Bush administration did not prepare for problems despite the reports in 2001 and 2003.
Sorry for the repeat post:
Shaheen: Bush Knew Of Possible Flu Vaccine Shortage
POSTED: 1:29 pm EDT October 15, 2004
NORTH CONWAY, N.H. -- Former Gov. Jeanne Shaheen told a New Hampshire audience Friday that two government reports earlier in President George W. Bush's tenure advised of possible problems with flu-vaccine supplies.
Speaking in North Conway, Shaheen said the Bush administration did not prepare for problems despite the reports in 2001 and 2003.
Sorry for the repeat post:
Shaheen: Bush Knew Of Possible Flu Vaccine Shortage
POSTED: 1:29 pm EDT October 15, 2004
NORTH CONWAY, N.H. -- Former Gov. Jeanne Shaheen told a New Hampshire audience Friday that two government reports earlier in President George W. Bush's tenure advised of possible problems with flu-vaccine supplies.
Speaking in North Conway, Shaheen said the Bush administration did not prepare for problems despite the reports in 2001 and 2003.
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Your explanation sounds good, caduceus. I bow to your expertise. However, I still worry because I'm pretty sure we don't really have answers, and after all, Rome was defeated, so I've heard, by the lead in their water supply pipes, that they thought were just hunky-dory.
Meantime, I'm switching to non=teflon cookware. Not ready to give up antiperspirants yet, though.
Good health advice is always appreciated. Thanks, dude.
Your explanation sounds good, caduceus. I bow to your expertise. However, I still worry because I'm pretty sure we don't really have answers, and after all, Rome was defeated, so I've heard, by the lead in their water supply pipes, that they thought were just hunky-dory.
Meantime, I'm switching to non=teflon cookware. Not ready to give up antiperspirants yet, though.
Good health advice is always appreciated. Thanks, dude.
Your explanation sounds good, caduceus. I bow to your expertise. However, I still worry because I'm pretty sure we don't really have answers, and after all, Rome was defeated, so I've heard, by the lead in their water supply pipes, that they thought were just hunky-dory.
Meantime, I'm switching to non=teflon cookware. Not ready to give up antiperspirants yet, though.
Good health advice is always appreciated. Thanks, dude.
i>Why they don't say this is a Homeland security issue is a mystery to me. We've got stockpiles of smallpox vaccine--which may or may not be a real threat--but no flu vaccine.
i>Why they don't say this is a Homeland security issue is a mystery to me. We've got stockpiles of smallpox vaccine--which may or may not be a real threat--but no flu vaccine.
i>Why they don't say this is a Homeland security issue is a mystery to me. We've got stockpiles of smallpox vaccine--which may or may not be a real threat--but no flu vaccine.
Flu, Bitches!
Flu, Bitches!
Flu, Bitches!
caduceus:
Glad you added the clarification on HIV. I'm not a medical expert, but I have a strong interest in biology, and I can remember reading (approx. 10 years ago) an article in Sci. Am. written by some well regarded modelers (can't remember names now unfortunately) suggesting that the usual selection pressures for attenuation that diseases have may not apply to HIV because of its long lag time before it kills its human host. That gives it lots of time to reproduce and spread to new hosts.
I don't at all like the info. I hear about that aggressive strain of avian influenza in Asia. We haven't faced a MAJOR flu pandemic in quite a while. Doesn't the info. coming out of China/Southeast Asia suggest that's exactly what this may turn out to be?
caduceus:
Glad you added the clarification on HIV. I'm not a medical expert, but I have a strong interest in biology, and I can remember reading (approx. 10 years ago) an article in Sci. Am. written by some well regarded modelers (can't remember names now unfortunately) suggesting that the usual selection pressures for attenuation that diseases have may not apply to HIV because of its long lag time before it kills its human host. That gives it lots of time to reproduce and spread to new hosts.
I don't at all like the info. I hear about that aggressive strain of avian influenza in Asia. We haven't faced a MAJOR flu pandemic in quite a while. Doesn't the info. coming out of China/Southeast Asia suggest that's exactly what this may turn out to be?
caduceus:
Glad you added the clarification on HIV. I'm not a medical expert, but I have a strong interest in biology, and I can remember reading (approx. 10 years ago) an article in Sci. Am. written by some well regarded modelers (can't remember names now unfortunately) suggesting that the usual selection pressures for attenuation that diseases have may not apply to HIV because of its long lag time before it kills its human host. That gives it lots of time to reproduce and spread to new hosts.
I don't at all like the info. I hear about that aggressive strain of avian influenza in Asia. We haven't faced a MAJOR flu pandemic in quite a while. Doesn't the info. coming out of China/Southeast Asia suggest that's exactly what this may turn out to be?
Jon Rudd:
If I recall correctly when the Congress contemplated the Dept. of Homeland Security there was some thought about adding the Public Health Service.
Obviously it stayed in Dept. of Health & Human Svcs.
I can't stand that name for the new dept., btw. "Security", I mean, come on! If the government operates it and the government exists so that we are enabled to pursue our own lives as best we can, how is anything the government does NOT "security".
Talk about a nebulous term!
I also hate "Homeland". I don't know what exactly I would call it that would be better, but I can't ever hear the name without it sounding to me (just a little) like the "Dept. of the Fatherland". I know that's an over the top reaction, but on a visceral leverl that's what I hear.
YCCCH!
Jon Rudd:
If I recall correctly when the Congress contemplated the Dept. of Homeland Security there was some thought about adding the Public Health Service.
Obviously it stayed in Dept. of Health & Human Svcs.
I can't stand that name for the new dept., btw. "Security", I mean, come on! If the government operates it and the government exists so that we are enabled to pursue our own lives as best we can, how is anything the government does NOT "security".
Talk about a nebulous term!
I also hate "Homeland". I don't know what exactly I would call it that would be better, but I can't ever hear the name without it sounding to me (just a little) like the "Dept. of the Fatherland". I know that's an over the top reaction, but on a visceral leverl that's what I hear.
YCCCH!
Jon Rudd:
If I recall correctly when the Congress contemplated the Dept. of Homeland Security there was some thought about adding the Public Health Service.
Obviously it stayed in Dept. of Health & Human Svcs.
I can't stand that name for the new dept., btw. "Security", I mean, come on! If the government operates it and the government exists so that we are enabled to pursue our own lives as best we can, how is anything the government does NOT "security".
Talk about a nebulous term!
I also hate "Homeland". I don't know what exactly I would call it that would be better, but I can't ever hear the name without it sounding to me (just a little) like the "Dept. of the Fatherland". I know that's an over the top reaction, but on a visceral leverl that's what I hear.
YCCCH!
bejammin075, may I point out that not a one of the subjects on your little list has generated any sort of MASSIVE countrywide outrage?
Primarily because none of them were personal for the majority of Americans.
Not having enough flu vaccine, NOW it's personal!
Sometimes, the Big Picture is just TOO big.
"All politics is local!"
"Tip" O'Neill
bejammin075, may I point out that not a one of the subjects on your little list has generated any sort of MASSIVE countrywide outrage?
Primarily because none of them were personal for the majority of Americans.
Not having enough flu vaccine, NOW it's personal!
Sometimes, the Big Picture is just TOO big.
"All politics is local!"
"Tip" O'Neill
bejammin075, may I point out that not a one of the subjects on your little list has generated any sort of MASSIVE countrywide outrage?
Primarily because none of them were personal for the majority of Americans.
Not having enough flu vaccine, NOW it's personal!
Sometimes, the Big Picture is just TOO big.
"All politics is local!"
"Tip" O'Neill
This is the thing that I wish Kerry would have hammered home more:
Without the public health systems of THAILAND, CHINA, TAIWAN, VIETNAM, and the PHILLIPPINES we would be completely and totally vulnerable to a 1918-1919 pandemic all over again.
And thanks to THOSE countries, with their admittedly sub-par healt systems, (as well as techniques informed by US's AIDS research) SARS and bird flue have been contained SO FAR.
This flu thing is an outrage- the last time my wife had the "normal" flue she was almost hospitalized (and she wasn't even 40).
This resonates with LOTS of Americans.
But Kerry's ad is a great, great start.
This is the thing that I wish Kerry would have hammered home more:
Without the public health systems of THAILAND, CHINA, TAIWAN, VIETNAM, and the PHILLIPPINES we would be completely and totally vulnerable to a 1918-1919 pandemic all over again.
And thanks to THOSE countries, with their admittedly sub-par healt systems, (as well as techniques informed by US's AIDS research) SARS and bird flue have been contained SO FAR.
This flu thing is an outrage- the last time my wife had the "normal" flue she was almost hospitalized (and she wasn't even 40).
This resonates with LOTS of Americans.
But Kerry's ad is a great, great start.
This is the thing that I wish Kerry would have hammered home more:
Without the public health systems of THAILAND, CHINA, TAIWAN, VIETNAM, and the PHILLIPPINES we would be completely and totally vulnerable to a 1918-1919 pandemic all over again.
And thanks to THOSE countries, with their admittedly sub-par healt systems, (as well as techniques informed by US's AIDS research) SARS and bird flue have been contained SO FAR.
This flu thing is an outrage- the last time my wife had the "normal" flue she was almost hospitalized (and she wasn't even 40).
This resonates with LOTS of Americans.
But Kerry's ad is a great, great start.
When I first heard the terms "homeland" and "patriot act" I immediately thought of Nazi Germany.
When I first heard the terms "homeland" and "patriot act" I immediately thought of Nazi Germany.
When I first heard the terms "homeland" and "patriot act" I immediately thought of Nazi Germany.
Last year I had a flu shot for the first time. I got the flu anyway. Perhaps it was a different flu, but I recognize the flu, having had the Asian flu in 1957 (a particularly nasty one). About a third of people who had flu shots last year got the flu. The shots are not always perfect. I am over fifty but not over sixty-five, so am consoling myself with the thought that I might have had the shot and still have gotten the disease.
Last year I had a flu shot for the first time. I got the flu anyway. Perhaps it was a different flu, but I recognize the flu, having had the Asian flu in 1957 (a particularly nasty one). About a third of people who had flu shots last year got the flu. The shots are not always perfect. I am over fifty but not over sixty-five, so am consoling myself with the thought that I might have had the shot and still have gotten the disease.
Last year I had a flu shot for the first time. I got the flu anyway. Perhaps it was a different flu, but I recognize the flu, having had the Asian flu in 1957 (a particularly nasty one). About a third of people who had flu shots last year got the flu. The shots are not always perfect. I am over fifty but not over sixty-five, so am consoling myself with the thought that I might have had the shot and still have gotten the disease.
You're off on the fatalities of the 1918-19 flu pandemic by LONG shot: the total number of fatalities was at least 50 million and may well have reached 100 million. I HIGHLY recommend the book THE GREAT INFLUENZA, by John M. Barry. It's a fascinating history of that pandemic and of medicine and medical education, and also gives a portrait of the political and civil rights scene in the US during the Great War, which is strongly reminiscent of Bush's America.
You're off on the fatalities of the 1918-19 flu pandemic by LONG shot: the total number of fatalities was at least 50 million and may well have reached 100 million. I HIGHLY recommend the book THE GREAT INFLUENZA, by John M. Barry. It's a fascinating history of that pandemic and of medicine and medical education, and also gives a portrait of the political and civil rights scene in the US during the Great War, which is strongly reminiscent of Bush's America.
You're off on the fatalities of the 1918-19 flu pandemic by LONG shot: the total number of fatalities was at least 50 million and may well have reached 100 million. I HIGHLY recommend the book THE GREAT INFLUENZA, by John M. Barry. It's a fascinating history of that pandemic and of medicine and medical education, and also gives a portrait of the political and civil rights scene in the US during the Great War, which is strongly reminiscent of Bush's America.
Some anti-flu suggestions.
When using public transportation this winter. WEAR GLOVES! The primary vector for germs and viri is the hands. Rubbing an eye or nose, eating food with unwashed hands, etc., introduces the infectious agent into your body.
Gloves keep your hands clean. And I don't mean rubber gloves. Just plain old lined winter gloves.
Wash your hands. A LOT! Use a lot of soap and water, spend more than a few minutes washing your hands. Scrub them vigourously!
Use hand sanitizer, the jellied alcohol type. It won't kill viruses, but it will kill other germs and bacteria and the cleansing action is better than nothing in removing viri from your hands.
As much as possible, try and avoid crowds. hard to do, I know.
COVER YOUR DAMNED NOSE AND MOUTH when you sneeze! Particularly if you're sick.
Some anti-flu suggestions.
When using public transportation this winter. WEAR GLOVES! The primary vector for germs and viri is the hands. Rubbing an eye or nose, eating food with unwashed hands, etc., introduces the infectious agent into your body.
Gloves keep your hands clean. And I don't mean rubber gloves. Just plain old lined winter gloves.
Wash your hands. A LOT! Use a lot of soap and water, spend more than a few minutes washing your hands. Scrub them vigourously!
Use hand sanitizer, the jellied alcohol type. It won't kill viruses, but it will kill other germs and bacteria and the cleansing action is better than nothing in removing viri from your hands.
As much as possible, try and avoid crowds. hard to do, I know.
COVER YOUR DAMNED NOSE AND MOUTH when you sneeze! Particularly if you're sick.
Some anti-flu suggestions.
When using public transportation this winter. WEAR GLOVES! The primary vector for germs and viri is the hands. Rubbing an eye or nose, eating food with unwashed hands, etc., introduces the infectious agent into your body.
Gloves keep your hands clean. And I don't mean rubber gloves. Just plain old lined winter gloves.
Wash your hands. A LOT! Use a lot of soap and water, spend more than a few minutes washing your hands. Scrub them vigourously!
Use hand sanitizer, the jellied alcohol type. It won't kill viruses, but it will kill other germs and bacteria and the cleansing action is better than nothing in removing viri from your hands.
As much as possible, try and avoid crowds. hard to do, I know.
COVER YOUR DAMNED NOSE AND MOUTH when you sneeze! Particularly if you're sick.
So if GWB is in favor of importing vaccines from Canada, does that mean he wants to get them from a Third World country?
So if GWB is in favor of importing vaccines from Canada, does that mean he wants to get them from a Third World country?
So if GWB is in favor of importing vaccines from Canada, does that mean he wants to get them from a Third World country?
One of the advances of the Clinton administration was to recognize that public health is a national security issue (both internationally and domestically). I'm not talking here about biological weapons, but about the instabilities caused by massive epidemics however they happen to begin.
Why are possible "terrorists" like... oh... Cat Stevens a danger, but real national security problems, like infectious disease merely a nusance? The flu epidemic actually started in 1917, and it, more than anything else, destroyed Germany during the First World War. The German population was just too sick and weak to maintain the army.
Living in Mexico, one is well aware that smallpox, not Hernan Cortés, conquered Mexico. But, you say, that was then, this is now...
Public health was a given in the United States until the Reagan Administration. Privatizing national security (despite some re-funding by Clinton) is going to cost us. Even relatively poor countries like this one (Mexico) recognizes that a healthy people is imperative. When we had a small measles outbreak here in Mexico City last year, there was no question of importing the latest vaccines from France since we were short of our own. Nor of major companies hiring doctors and nurses to vaccinate their employes. Nor of giving free shots at every neighborhood clinica and public hospital. SICK WORKERS DON'T PAY TAXES. SICK PEOPLE COST MONEY.
One of the advances of the Clinton administration was to recognize that public health is a national security issue (both internationally and domestically). I'm not talking here about biological weapons, but about the instabilities caused by massive epidemics however they happen to begin.
Why are possible "terrorists" like... oh... Cat Stevens a danger, but real national security problems, like infectious disease merely a nusance? The flu epidemic actually started in 1917, and it, more than anything else, destroyed Germany during the First World War. The German population was just too sick and weak to maintain the army.
Living in Mexico, one is well aware that smallpox, not Hernan Cortés, conquered Mexico. But, you say, that was then, this is now...
Public health was a given in the United States until the Reagan Administration. Privatizing national security (despite some re-funding by Clinton) is going to cost us. Even relatively poor countries like this one (Mexico) recognizes that a healthy people is imperative. When we had a small measles outbreak here in Mexico City last year, there was no question of importing the latest vaccines from France since we were short of our own. Nor of major companies hiring doctors and nurses to vaccinate their employes. Nor of giving free shots at every neighborhood clinica and public hospital. SICK WORKERS DON'T PAY TAXES. SICK PEOPLE COST MONEY.
One of the advances of the Clinton administration was to recognize that public health is a national security issue (both internationally and domestically). I'm not talking here about biological weapons, but about the instabilities caused by massive epidemics however they happen to begin.
Why are possible "terrorists" like... oh... Cat Stevens a danger, but real national security problems, like infectious disease merely a nusance? The flu epidemic actually started in 1917, and it, more than anything else, destroyed Germany during the First World War. The German population was just too sick and weak to maintain the army.
Living in Mexico, one is well aware that smallpox, not Hernan Cortés, conquered Mexico. But, you say, that was then, this is now...
Public health was a given in the United States until the Reagan Administration. Privatizing national security (despite some re-funding by Clinton) is going to cost us. Even relatively poor countries like this one (Mexico) recognizes that a healthy people is imperative. When we had a small measles outbreak here in Mexico City last year, there was no question of importing the latest vaccines from France since we were short of our own. Nor of major companies hiring doctors and nurses to vaccinate their employes. Nor of giving free shots at every neighborhood clinica and public hospital. SICK WORKERS DON'T PAY TAXES. SICK PEOPLE COST MONEY.
One of the advances of the Clinton administration was to recognize that public health is a national security issue (both internationally and domestically). I'm not talking here about biological weapons, but about the instabilities caused by massive epidemics however they happen to begin.
Why are possible "terrorists" like... oh... Cat Stevens a danger, but real national security problems, like infectious disease merely a nusance? The flu epidemic actually started in 1917, and it, more than anything else, destroyed Germany during the First World War. The German population was just too sick and weak to maintain the army.
Living in Mexico, one is well aware that smallpox, not Hernan Cortés, conquered Mexico. But, you say, that was then, this is now...
Public health was a given in the United States until the Reagan Administration. Privatizing national security (despite some re-funding by Clinton) is going to cost us. Even relatively poor countries like this one (Mexico) recognizes that a healthy people is imperative. When we had a small measles outbreak here in Mexico City last year, there was no question of importing the latest vaccines from France since we were short of our own. Nor of major companies hiring doctors and nurses to vaccinate their employes. Nor of giving free shots at every neighborhood clinica and public hospital. SICK WORKERS DON'T PAY TAXES. SICK PEOPLE COST MONEY.
One of the advances of the Clinton administration was to recognize that public health is a national security issue (both internationally and domestically). I'm not talking here about biological weapons, but about the instabilities caused by massive epidemics however they happen to begin.
Why are possible "terrorists" like... oh... Cat Stevens a danger, but real national security problems, like infectious disease merely a nusance? The flu epidemic actually started in 1917, and it, more than anything else, destroyed Germany during the First World War. The German population was just too sick and weak to maintain the army.
Living in Mexico, one is well aware that smallpox, not Hernan Cortés, conquered Mexico. But, you say, that was then, this is now...
Public health was a given in the United States until the Reagan Administration. Privatizing national security (despite some re-funding by Clinton) is going to cost us. Even relatively poor countries like this one (Mexico) recognizes that a healthy people is imperative. When we had a small measles outbreak here in Mexico City last year, there was no question of importing the latest vaccines from France since we were short of our own. Nor of major companies hiring doctors and nurses to vaccinate their employes. Nor of giving free shots at every neighborhood clinica and public hospital. SICK WORKERS DON'T PAY TAXES. SICK PEOPLE COST MONEY.
One of the advances of the Clinton administration was to recognize that public health is a national security issue (both internationally and domestically). I'm not talking here about biological weapons, but about the instabilities caused by massive epidemics however they happen to begin.
Why are possible "terrorists" like... oh... Cat Stevens a danger, but real national security problems, like infectious disease merely a nusance? The flu epidemic actually started in 1917, and it, more than anything else, destroyed Germany during the First World War. The German population was just too sick and weak to maintain the army.
Living in Mexico, one is well aware that smallpox, not Hernan Cortés, conquered Mexico. But, you say, that was then, this is now...
Public health was a given in the United States until the Reagan Administration. Privatizing national security (despite some re-funding by Clinton) is going to cost us. Even relatively poor countries like this one (Mexico) recognizes that a healthy people is imperative. When we had a small measles outbreak here in Mexico City last year, there was no question of importing the latest vaccines from France since we were short of our own. Nor of major companies hiring doctors and nurses to vaccinate their employes. Nor of giving free shots at every neighborhood clinica and public hospital. SICK WORKERS DON'T PAY TAXES. SICK PEOPLE COST MONEY.
Forgive me if I repeat the thread. I'm drunk.
More people will die this flu season because they did not get flu shots they deserved to get than perished in the atrocities of 9/11.
But remember, BUSH WILL KEEP US SAFE.
Rinse. Repeat.
And now, back to your regularly scheduled blog comments.
Forgive me if I repeat the thread. I'm drunk.
More people will die this flu season because they did not get flu shots they deserved to get than perished in the atrocities of 9/11.
But remember, BUSH WILL KEEP US SAFE.
Rinse. Repeat.
And now, back to your regularly scheduled blog comments.
Forgive me if I repeat the thread. I'm drunk.
More people will die this flu season because they did not get flu shots they deserved to get than perished in the atrocities of 9/11.
But remember, BUSH WILL KEEP US SAFE.
Rinse. Repeat.
And now, back to your regularly scheduled blog comments.
I think a lot of this has to do with fear. Remember the build up last year? It was going to be the worst flu season ever, maybe even a pandemic. And the shot they offered didn't even have the worst strain in it. The flu is serious, but a lot of what they tell you is to keep the fear high. I also agree with the person who said handwashing a lot is good, some of the best improvements in our lives over the last 50-100 years, is improvement in sanitation practices.
Anyways, see the Homepage for a good link about Immunization. Lots of info on the website and others, just do a Google search for immunization and side effects.
I think a lot of this has to do with fear. Remember the build up last year? It was going to be the worst flu season ever, maybe even a pandemic. And the shot they offered didn't even have the worst strain in it. The flu is serious, but a lot of what they tell you is to keep the fear high. I also agree with the person who said handwashing a lot is good, some of the best improvements in our lives over the last 50-100 years, is improvement in sanitation practices.
Anyways, see the Homepage for a good link about Immunization. Lots of info on the website and others, just do a Google search for immunization and side effects.
I think a lot of this has to do with fear. Remember the build up last year? It was going to be the worst flu season ever, maybe even a pandemic. And the shot they offered didn't even have the worst strain in it. The flu is serious, but a lot of what they tell you is to keep the fear high. I also agree with the person who said handwashing a lot is good, some of the best improvements in our lives over the last 50-100 years, is improvement in sanitation practices.
Anyways, see the Homepage for a good link about Immunization. Lots of info on the website and others, just do a Google search for immunization and side effects.
Mr. Shackleford,
I am not mindlessly optimistic. There are certainly risks in modern life. Heavy metal contamination of the environment, especially mercury, is one of them. The human body does not deal with metals any better or any differently now than it did during the Roman Empire.
I, myself, avoid aluminum cookware and many fish, including tuna. Too bad the physiologic ability to handle ingested inorganic contaminants is not set up along the lines of the immune system.
Mr. Shackleford,
I am not mindlessly optimistic. There are certainly risks in modern life. Heavy metal contamination of the environment, especially mercury, is one of them. The human body does not deal with metals any better or any differently now than it did during the Roman Empire.
I, myself, avoid aluminum cookware and many fish, including tuna. Too bad the physiologic ability to handle ingested inorganic contaminants is not set up along the lines of the immune system.
Mr. Shackleford,
I am not mindlessly optimistic. There are certainly risks in modern life. Heavy metal contamination of the environment, especially mercury, is one of them. The human body does not deal with metals any better or any differently now than it did during the Roman Empire.
I, myself, avoid aluminum cookware and many fish, including tuna. Too bad the physiologic ability to handle ingested inorganic contaminants is not set up along the lines of the immune system.
Don't forget there are 40 million of us without health insurance. How do we pay if we get complications from the flu? At least I could afford a flu shot.
Don't forget there are 40 million of us without health insurance. How do we pay if we get complications from the flu? At least I could afford a flu shot.
Don't forget there are 40 million of us without health insurance. How do we pay if we get complications from the flu? At least I could afford a flu shot.
And about those simple hygienic things that'll go far to keep us all healthy:
Don't spit on the sidewalk (not that anyone as classy as the Atriots would think of doing such a thing, but tell your neighbors). When someone's sick and spits on the sidewalk, he's just deposited a nice blob of germs for his fellow citizens to walk through. So don't do it.
When you wash your hands with soap, keep washing while you mentally hum through Happy Birthday twice. That's thirty seconds.
Use kleenex. Throw it away neatly. Then wash your hands.
You can get towelettes with the jellied alcohol. Wipe your office phone with that, especially if it's shared. Wipe doorknobs, too. And the handles in the office restroom, both door, faucet, and toilet.
Not to be obsessive about it, but we can do what we can. Do it for your neighbors' sake if not your own.
And about those simple hygienic things that'll go far to keep us all healthy:
Don't spit on the sidewalk (not that anyone as classy as the Atriots would think of doing such a thing, but tell your neighbors). When someone's sick and spits on the sidewalk, he's just deposited a nice blob of germs for his fellow citizens to walk through. So don't do it.
When you wash your hands with soap, keep washing while you mentally hum through Happy Birthday twice. That's thirty seconds.
Use kleenex. Throw it away neatly. Then wash your hands.
You can get towelettes with the jellied alcohol. Wipe your office phone with that, especially if it's shared. Wipe doorknobs, too. And the handles in the office restroom, both door, faucet, and toilet.
Not to be obsessive about it, but we can do what we can. Do it for your neighbors' sake if not your own.
And about those simple hygienic things that'll go far to keep us all healthy:
Don't spit on the sidewalk (not that anyone as classy as the Atriots would think of doing such a thing, but tell your neighbors). When someone's sick and spits on the sidewalk, he's just deposited a nice blob of germs for his fellow citizens to walk through. So don't do it.
When you wash your hands with soap, keep washing while you mentally hum through Happy Birthday twice. That's thirty seconds.
Use kleenex. Throw it away neatly. Then wash your hands.
You can get towelettes with the jellied alcohol. Wipe your office phone with that, especially if it's shared. Wipe doorknobs, too. And the handles in the office restroom, both door, faucet, and toilet.
Not to be obsessive about it, but we can do what we can. Do it for your neighbors' sake if not your own.
Yes, no insurance, I agree.
See my suggetion at 8:24 PM. The cheapest anti-viral is amantadine. It only works against Influenza A, and not even against all of those, but it's better than nothing.
Also note Chris Tucker's helpful ideas at 11:57 PM.
Oh, yeah. Vote!
Yes, no insurance, I agree.
See my suggetion at 8:24 PM. The cheapest anti-viral is amantadine. It only works against Influenza A, and not even against all of those, but it's better than nothing.
Also note Chris Tucker's helpful ideas at 11:57 PM.
Oh, yeah. Vote!
Yes, no insurance, I agree.
See my suggetion at 8:24 PM. The cheapest anti-viral is amantadine. It only works against Influenza A, and not even against all of those, but it's better than nothing.
Also note Chris Tucker's helpful ideas at 11:57 PM.
Oh, yeah. Vote!
Oddjob,
Glad you found it helpful. For some explanation of why pandemics or epidemics with flu go here and scroll down to
Pandemics and Antigenic Shift and Epidemics and Antigenic Drift
The rest of the page is good, too.
Must run. Duty calls and all that.
Oddjob,
Glad you found it helpful. For some explanation of why pandemics or epidemics with flu go here and scroll down to
Pandemics and Antigenic Shift and Epidemics and Antigenic Drift
The rest of the page is good, too.
Must run. Duty calls and all that.
Oddjob,
Glad you found it helpful. For some explanation of why pandemics or epidemics with flu go here and scroll down to
Pandemics and Antigenic Shift and Epidemics and Antigenic Drift
The rest of the page is good, too.
Must run. Duty calls and all that.
Thx for the pointer. This ad is fucking brilliant. I'm underwhelmed by the vaccine shortage itself, even though people do seem to be panicking. But this ad isn't really about the flu. It reiterates the Bush memes:
1. He was warned by experts, but ignored them.
2. He outsourced the vaccine jobs overseas, and the work was bungled.
3. Now he wants to get the medicine from Canada to save his butt, even though regular folks can't do it.
4. Another George Bush mess!
I also thought it was nuts that Bush isn't getting a flu shot. Hey, buddy, you're the leader of the free world. I hope the hell Kerry got one.
Thx for the pointer. This ad is fucking brilliant. I'm underwhelmed by the vaccine shortage itself, even though people do seem to be panicking. But this ad isn't really about the flu. It reiterates the Bush memes:
1. He was warned by experts, but ignored them.
2. He outsourced the vaccine jobs overseas, and the work was bungled.
3. Now he wants to get the medicine from Canada to save his butt, even though regular folks can't do it.
4. Another George Bush mess!
I also thought it was nuts that Bush isn't getting a flu shot. Hey, buddy, you're the leader of the free world. I hope the hell Kerry got one.
Thx for the pointer. This ad is fucking brilliant. I'm underwhelmed by the vaccine shortage itself, even though people do seem to be panicking. But this ad isn't really about the flu. It reiterates the Bush memes:
1. He was warned by experts, but ignored them.
2. He outsourced the vaccine jobs overseas, and the work was bungled.
3. Now he wants to get the medicine from Canada to save his butt, even though regular folks can't do it.
4. Another George Bush mess!
I also thought it was nuts that Bush isn't getting a flu shot. Hey, buddy, you're the leader of the free world. I hope the hell Kerry got one.
Maybe the vaccine shortage is Bush's plan to fix social security by killing off all the old people.
Maybe the vaccine shortage is Bush's plan to fix social security by killing off all the old people.
Maybe the vaccine shortage is Bush's plan to fix social security by killing off all the old people.
Given the level of danger posed by influenza on an annual basis, it seems a pretty easy thing to plan mass vaccination for at-risk populations as a matter of course.
But, then again, I'm speaking of normal administrations that aren't locked in some medievel fantasy of good versus evil and actually give a rat's ass about the welfare of the elderly, infants, and those with weakened immune systems.
If you want to protect Americans from premature death, no matter what the cause, manufacturing adequate supplies of flu vaccine is a pretty easy place to begin.
Given the level of danger posed by influenza on an annual basis, it seems a pretty easy thing to plan mass vaccination for at-risk populations as a matter of course.
But, then again, I'm speaking of normal administrations that aren't locked in some medievel fantasy of good versus evil and actually give a rat's ass about the welfare of the elderly, infants, and those with weakened immune systems.
If you want to protect Americans from premature death, no matter what the cause, manufacturing adequate supplies of flu vaccine is a pretty easy place to begin.
Given the level of danger posed by influenza on an annual basis, it seems a pretty easy thing to plan mass vaccination for at-risk populations as a matter of course.
But, then again, I'm speaking of normal administrations that aren't locked in some medievel fantasy of good versus evil and actually give a rat's ass about the welfare of the elderly, infants, and those with weakened immune systems.
If you want to protect Americans from premature death, no matter what the cause, manufacturing adequate supplies of flu vaccine is a pretty easy place to begin.
Cause for alarm for me in 1998:
Scientists world wide put in a concerted effort to locate and exhume bodies of Spanish Flu victims from mass graves.
From "Digging for the Spanish Flu"
Copyright 1998 by Edward Willett http://www.edwardwillett.com/Col.../
spanishflu.htm
A snip:
"Now the samples they retrieved will go to laboratories in London and Washington. Again, the highest levels of safety precautions will be followed. First, scientists have to find out if any of the virus can be found in the samples. If it is, their next goal is to figure out the virus's genetic composition. To do so, they will first have to make millions of copies of its genetic material; which means, if it isn't completely inert (although, again, scientists are almost certain it will be), they'll be increasing the risks of handling it. Within about 18 months, they hope to be able to answer some basic questions about Spanish flu: what strain of flu virus caused it (at this point, no one is sure), why was it so deadly, and can we successfully vaccinate against it if it recurs."
I clearly remember reading about this early on. They were exhuming bodies all over the world - from Pennsylvania to the Netherlands.
It made me very, very uneasy at the time- and now even more so. I have been tracking the story since then off and on- and they recently (a few months ago) completed a DNA sequence and have 'tested it'.
FYI: Spanish Flu is one of the varieties of Bird Flu- one that can mutate rapidly.
Google these topics and you can still find a great deal of material out there on the events from 1998 to present.
Cause for alarm for me in 1998:
Scientists world wide put in a concerted effort to locate and exhume bodies of Spanish Flu victims from mass graves.
From "Digging for the Spanish Flu"
Copyright 1998 by Edward Willett http://www.edwardwillett.com/Col.../
spanishflu.htm
A snip:
"Now the samples they retrieved will go to laboratories in London and Washington. Again, the highest levels of safety precautions will be followed. First, scientists have to find out if any of the virus can be found in the samples. If it is, their next goal is to figure out the virus's genetic composition. To do so, they will first have to make millions of copies of its genetic material; which means, if it isn't completely inert (although, again, scientists are almost certain it will be), they'll be increasing the risks of handling it. Within about 18 months, they hope to be able to answer some basic questions about Spanish flu: what strain of flu virus caused it (at this point, no one is sure), why was it so deadly, and can we successfully vaccinate against it if it recurs."
I clearly remember reading about this early on. They were exhuming bodies all over the world - from Pennsylvania to the Netherlands.
It made me very, very uneasy at the time- and now even more so. I have been tracking the story since then off and on- and they recently (a few months ago) completed a DNA sequence and have 'tested it'.
FYI: Spanish Flu is one of the varieties of Bird Flu- one that can mutate rapidly.
Google these topics and you can still find a great deal of material out there on the events from 1998 to present.
Cause for alarm for me in 1998:
Scientists world wide put in a concerted effort to locate and exhume bodies of Spanish Flu victims from mass graves.
From "Digging for the Spanish Flu"
Copyright 1998 by Edward Willett http://www.edwardwillett.com/Col.../
spanishflu.htm
A snip:
"Now the samples they retrieved will go to laboratories in London and Washington. Again, the highest levels of safety precautions will be followed. First, scientists have to find out if any of the virus can be found in the samples. If it is, their next goal is to figure out the virus's genetic composition. To do so, they will first have to make millions of copies of its genetic material; which means, if it isn't completely inert (although, again, scientists are almost certain it will be), they'll be increasing the risks of handling it. Within about 18 months, they hope to be able to answer some basic questions about Spanish flu: what strain of flu virus caused it (at this point, no one is sure), why was it so deadly, and can we successfully vaccinate against it if it recurs."
I clearly remember reading about this early on. They were exhuming bodies all over the world - from Pennsylvania to the Netherlands.
It made me very, very uneasy at the time- and now even more so. I have been tracking the story since then off and on- and they recently (a few months ago) completed a DNA sequence and have 'tested it'.
FYI: Spanish Flu is one of the varieties of Bird Flu- one that can mutate rapidly.
Google these topics and you can still find a great deal of material out there on the events from 1998 to present.
btw: Most Spanish Flu victims were age 19 - 35, young healthy adults. It rarely infected the elderly or children. No one knew why. Yet who are the flu shots this year reserved for?
btw: Most Spanish Flu victims were age 19 - 35, young healthy adults. It rarely infected the elderly or children. No one knew why. Yet who are the flu shots this year reserved for?
btw: Most Spanish Flu victims were age 19 - 35, young healthy adults. It rarely infected the elderly or children. No one knew why. Yet who are the flu shots this year reserved for?
I work for a health insurance company and the old people that I talk too are freaking out. If you want to make some quick $ invest in the companies that make the Nasal flu vaccines like Flumist.
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I work for a health insurance company and the old people that I talk too are freaking out. If you want to make some quick $ invest in the companies that make the Nasal flu vaccines like Flumist.
X
I work for a health insurance company and the old people that I talk too are freaking out. If you want to make some quick $ invest in the companies that make the Nasal flu vaccines like Flumist.
X
One big reason for the influenza epidemic during WW1 was returning GI's from Europe. Modern travel spreads germs in same way. My cost for recent 'acute otitis media' (severe ear infection) cos of no health insurance: $75- doctor visit which consisted of temp & bp reading and looking into my ears with otoscope and $120- antibiotic for 10 days. I have not been to a doctor in years and was amazed how expensive it was! But the biggie is that Bush said the reason for shortage of flu vaccine was companies being held liable for bad vaccines and lawyers,etc. NO-companies got out of vaccine business cos there was no profit for them.
One big reason for the influenza epidemic during WW1 was returning GI's from Europe. Modern travel spreads germs in same way. My cost for recent 'acute otitis media' (severe ear infection) cos of no health insurance: $75- doctor visit which consisted of temp & bp reading and looking into my ears with otoscope and $120- antibiotic for 10 days. I have not been to a doctor in years and was amazed how expensive it was! But the biggie is that Bush said the reason for shortage of flu vaccine was companies being held liable for bad vaccines and lawyers,etc. NO-companies got out of vaccine business cos there was no profit for them.
One big reason for the influenza epidemic during WW1 was returning GI's from Europe. Modern travel spreads germs in same way. My cost for recent 'acute otitis media' (severe ear infection) cos of no health insurance: $75- doctor visit which consisted of temp & bp reading and looking into my ears with otoscope and $120- antibiotic for 10 days. I have not been to a doctor in years and was amazed how expensive it was! But the biggie is that Bush said the reason for shortage of flu vaccine was companies being held liable for bad vaccines and lawyers,etc. NO-companies got out of vaccine business cos there was no profit for them.
The vaccine shortage is just another indication of the health-services gaps between the haves and the have-not-quite-so-much.
Example: Good friend's family has an HMO Kaiser plan. Kaiser is rationing flu shots and restricting them to the very young, very old, and very sick.
We have a PPO. My family pediatrician is also an infectious-disease specialist. He has access to ample vaccine, so he says he can either "use it for my patients and their families, or throw it in the trash." He gave flu shots to my husband and me, our three kids, and our cleaning lady.
Naturally Dubya can forego a flu shot. There are other people doing his work, and if gets the flu, he has access to the best medical care in the world and all the time in the world to recuperate.
Talk about being "a white Republican guy who doesn't get it" about shortages that affect primarily the poor and middle-income...
The vaccine shortage is just another indication of the health-services gaps between the haves and the have-not-quite-so-much.
Example: Good friend's family has an HMO Kaiser plan. Kaiser is rationing flu shots and restricting them to the very young, very old, and very sick.
We have a PPO. My family pediatrician is also an infectious-disease specialist. He has access to ample vaccine, so he says he can either "use it for my patients and their families, or throw it in the trash." He gave flu shots to my husband and me, our three kids, and our cleaning lady.
Naturally Dubya can forego a flu shot. There are other people doing his work, and if gets the flu, he has access to the best medical care in the world and all the time in the world to recuperate.
Talk about being "a white Republican guy who doesn't get it" about shortages that affect primarily the poor and middle-income...
The vaccine shortage is just another indication of the health-services gaps between the haves and the have-not-quite-so-much.
Example: Good friend's family has an HMO Kaiser plan. Kaiser is rationing flu shots and restricting them to the very young, very old, and very sick.
We have a PPO. My family pediatrician is also an infectious-disease specialist. He has access to ample vaccine, so he says he can either "use it for my patients and their families, or throw it in the trash." He gave flu shots to my husband and me, our three kids, and our cleaning lady.
Naturally Dubya can forego a flu shot. There are other people doing his work, and if gets the flu, he has access to the best medical care in the world and all the time in the world to recuperate.
Talk about being "a white Republican guy who doesn't get it" about shortages that affect primarily the poor and middle-income...
Please write to the Club for Growth and tell them that they are wrong about their assertions that trial lawyers have cause the flu shortage.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/b...ess/
flushot.asp
Note, their phones are out of order. I needled them about that, too.
http://clubforgrowth.org
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