I'MMA LET YOU FINISH
Falafel!
Falafel!
Falafel!
Enough with the stupid Falafel first posts already. It's childish Republican type behaviour.
Enough with the stupid Falafel first posts already. It's childish Republican type behaviour.
Enough with the stupid Falafel first posts already. It's childish Republican type behaviour.
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excuse me,,, but didn't Gore actually win... ?
excuse me,,, but didn't Gore actually win... ?
excuse me,,, but didn't Gore actually win... ?
My optimism consists of three facts:
1)history suggests that undecideds break for the challger.
2) kerry has shown that he know how to counter attack: the mchenney stuff drives the news so JFK says Bush is going to have a draft.
and of course Bush obliges and (with a gaffe) agress with him!
3) Bush jsut cannot find a way to live above that 50% mark.
still I am cautious: the polls suggests that it going to stay close untill the end.
My optimism consists of three facts:
1)history suggests that undecideds break for the challger.
2) kerry has shown that he know how to counter attack: the mchenney stuff drives the news so JFK says Bush is going to have a draft.
and of course Bush obliges and (with a gaffe) agress with him!
3) Bush jsut cannot find a way to live above that 50% mark.
still I am cautious: the polls suggests that it going to stay close untill the end.
My optimism consists of three facts:
1)history suggests that undecideds break for the challger.
2) kerry has shown that he know how to counter attack: the mchenney stuff drives the news so JFK says Bush is going to have a draft.
and of course Bush obliges and (with a gaffe) agress with him!
3) Bush jsut cannot find a way to live above that 50% mark.
still I am cautious: the polls suggests that it going to stay close untill the end.
he won florida, but not the presidency. funny, really.
not "ha ha" funny.
he won florida, but not the presidency. funny, really.
not "ha ha" funny.
he won florida, but not the presidency. funny, really.
not "ha ha" funny.
Yep, Atrios, you were right the first time: if Gore wins Florida, he wins. This time out, if Kerry wins two of three in FL, PA, and OH, he wins. Let's nail down PA for him.
Yep, Atrios, you were right the first time: if Gore wins Florida, he wins. This time out, if Kerry wins two of three in FL, PA, and OH, he wins. Let's nail down PA for him.
Yep, Atrios, you were right the first time: if Gore wins Florida, he wins. This time out, if Kerry wins two of three in FL, PA, and OH, he wins. Let's nail down PA for him.
Whole world is demanding Kerrys win.
Whole world is demanding Kerrys win.
Whole world is demanding Kerrys win.
How old are you, Atrios?
How old are you, Atrios?
How old are you, Atrios?
JK is looking very good in PA. Fla may well get stolen if he doesn't have enuf of lead. We gotta do the work to win Ohio.
JK is looking very good in PA. Fla may well get stolen if he doesn't have enuf of lead. We gotta do the work to win Ohio.
JK is looking very good in PA. Fla may well get stolen if he doesn't have enuf of lead. We gotta do the work to win Ohio.
OT has anyone heard the news that PPV is backing away from showing Moore's F911?
OT has anyone heard the news that PPV is backing away from showing Moore's F911?
OT has anyone heard the news that PPV is backing away from showing Moore's F911?
Maybe you feel more confident because no matter what happens, you know you will have a hell of a lot of impact on what happens after November 2. Because of you (and others) Bush won't be nearly as "effective" in February 2005 as he was in February 2001. No matter what happens, the Bush high water mark has been reached and we will never see another Bush in high national office again.
Maybe you feel more confident because no matter what happens, you know you will have a hell of a lot of impact on what happens after November 2. Because of you (and others) Bush won't be nearly as "effective" in February 2005 as he was in February 2001. No matter what happens, the Bush high water mark has been reached and we will never see another Bush in high national office again.
Maybe you feel more confident because no matter what happens, you know you will have a hell of a lot of impact on what happens after November 2. Because of you (and others) Bush won't be nearly as "effective" in February 2005 as he was in February 2001. No matter what happens, the Bush high water mark has been reached and we will never see another Bush in high national office again.
We're gonna win!!!
Seriously, jdw is right....we need Ohio. I don't want to count on Fla.
We're gonna win!!!
Seriously, jdw is right....we need Ohio. I don't want to count on Fla.
We're gonna win!!!
Seriously, jdw is right....we need Ohio. I don't want to count on Fla.
i agree... optimism is the order of the day.... all signs points to a hidden vote out there that is not being polled: new voters, young voters, angry voters.... the greater the vote, the more it favors us....
this is the time to focus and work...
i agree... optimism is the order of the day.... all signs points to a hidden vote out there that is not being polled: new voters, young voters, angry voters.... the greater the vote, the more it favors us....
this is the time to focus and work...
i agree... optimism is the order of the day.... all signs points to a hidden vote out there that is not being polled: new voters, young voters, angry voters.... the greater the vote, the more it favors us....
this is the time to focus and work...
I have never been polled.
My wife has never been polled.
My parents have never been polled.
My in-laws have never been polled.
My brothers and sisters have never been polled.
None of my uncles, aunts, or cousins recall ever being polled.
None of my co-workers recall ever being polled.
So I have to wonder who is getting polled and how?
That the polls show one candidate or another ahead mean nothing at this point.
We know that voter registration is up amongst democratic leaning voters. The conservatives and other moderates are also going to be up this year.
I doubt they are being accounted for.
The only reason the polls even matter is because of Mr. and Mrs Joe Idiot who might have voted for candidate-A, but on the way to vote heard that candidate-B was either ahead in the polls or was ahead in the electoral calls and decided he and she wanted to vote for a winner rather than a loser.
As far as I am concerned, anyone who votes for a candidate simply because of poll results should be shot.
MYOB'
.
I have never been polled.
My wife has never been polled.
My parents have never been polled.
My in-laws have never been polled.
My brothers and sisters have never been polled.
None of my uncles, aunts, or cousins recall ever being polled.
None of my co-workers recall ever being polled.
So I have to wonder who is getting polled and how?
That the polls show one candidate or another ahead mean nothing at this point.
We know that voter registration is up amongst democratic leaning voters. The conservatives and other moderates are also going to be up this year.
I doubt they are being accounted for.
The only reason the polls even matter is because of Mr. and Mrs Joe Idiot who might have voted for candidate-A, but on the way to vote heard that candidate-B was either ahead in the polls or was ahead in the electoral calls and decided he and she wanted to vote for a winner rather than a loser.
As far as I am concerned, anyone who votes for a candidate simply because of poll results should be shot.
MYOB'
.
I have never been polled.
My wife has never been polled.
My parents have never been polled.
My in-laws have never been polled.
My brothers and sisters have never been polled.
None of my uncles, aunts, or cousins recall ever being polled.
None of my co-workers recall ever being polled.
So I have to wonder who is getting polled and how?
That the polls show one candidate or another ahead mean nothing at this point.
We know that voter registration is up amongst democratic leaning voters. The conservatives and other moderates are also going to be up this year.
I doubt they are being accounted for.
The only reason the polls even matter is because of Mr. and Mrs Joe Idiot who might have voted for candidate-A, but on the way to vote heard that candidate-B was either ahead in the polls or was ahead in the electoral calls and decided he and she wanted to vote for a winner rather than a loser.
As far as I am concerned, anyone who votes for a candidate simply because of poll results should be shot.
MYOB'
.
My one source for optimism this time around is the belief that the voter turnout is going to be the largest in history. More people I know who never cared before (or like me, felt left without a party to belong to)are voting come hell or bin Laden. Need to hold the Dems feet to the fire after the lush is planted back in Texas to keep them from returning to Repug lites.
My one source for optimism this time around is the belief that the voter turnout is going to be the largest in history. More people I know who never cared before (or like me, felt left without a party to belong to)are voting come hell or bin Laden. Need to hold the Dems feet to the fire after the lush is planted back in Texas to keep them from returning to Repug lites.
My one source for optimism this time around is the belief that the voter turnout is going to be the largest in history. More people I know who never cared before (or like me, felt left without a party to belong to)are voting come hell or bin Laden. Need to hold the Dems feet to the fire after the lush is planted back in Texas to keep them from returning to Repug lites.
I'm feeling more optimistic about Kerry than I am about the Red Sox. Thank god there's a Presidential race, to distract me from the horror of the ALCS.
I'm feeling more optimistic about Kerry than I am about the Red Sox. Thank god there's a Presidential race, to distract me from the horror of the ALCS.
I'm feeling more optimistic about Kerry than I am about the Red Sox. Thank god there's a Presidential race, to distract me from the horror of the ALCS.
The only thing more annoying than "Frist/Falafel" opening posts are the subsequent posts bitching and moaning about them.
And they are significantly more annoying.
The only thing more annoying than "Frist/Falafel" opening posts are the subsequent posts bitching and moaning about them.
And they are significantly more annoying.
The only thing more annoying than "Frist/Falafel" opening posts are the subsequent posts bitching and moaning about them.
And they are significantly more annoying.
I don't know that i'm optimistic. I fact, i'm often quite worried. But I just find a Bush win absolutely inconceivable. Just inconceivable.
I don't know that i'm optimistic. I fact, i'm often quite worried. But I just find a Bush win absolutely inconceivable. Just inconceivable.
I don't know that i'm optimistic. I fact, i'm often quite worried. But I just find a Bush win absolutely inconceivable. Just inconceivable.
To the person who asked how old Atrios was:
Take a look at his bio on this page. It said he was 32 and it has a picture of the guy.
http://atrios.blogspot.com/2003/.../brief-
bio.html
To the person who asked how old Atrios was:
Take a look at his bio on this page. It said he was 32 and it has a picture of the guy.
http://atrios.blogspot.com/2003/.../brief-
bio.html
To the person who asked how old Atrios was:
Take a look at his bio on this page. It said he was 32 and it has a picture of the guy.
http://atrios.blogspot.com/2003/.../brief-
bio.html
I work for the campaign in Ohio -- things look so good right now. Lets keep the mighty mo going
I work for the campaign in Ohio -- things look so good right now. Lets keep the mighty mo going
I work for the campaign in Ohio -- things look so good right now. Lets keep the mighty mo going
Here's how I see it:
1. Democrats are more animated about voting against Bush this time out - much higher turnout this time around.
2. We are registering more new Democratic voters.
3. I know of Republicans voting for Kerry, Badnarik, or not voting at all.
4. Many who voted for Nader in 2000 are voting for Kerry, even Nader's former running-mate.
5. Kerry is succeeding in battlegrond states.
6. Undecideds will more than likely vote for Kerry.
7. Kerry has momentum!
Here's how I see it:
1. Democrats are more animated about voting against Bush this time out - much higher turnout this time around.
2. We are registering more new Democratic voters.
3. I know of Republicans voting for Kerry, Badnarik, or not voting at all.
4. Many who voted for Nader in 2000 are voting for Kerry, even Nader's former running-mate.
5. Kerry is succeeding in battlegrond states.
6. Undecideds will more than likely vote for Kerry.
7. Kerry has momentum!
Here's how I see it:
1. Democrats are more animated about voting against Bush this time out - much higher turnout this time around.
2. We are registering more new Democratic voters.
3. I know of Republicans voting for Kerry, Badnarik, or not voting at all.
4. Many who voted for Nader in 2000 are voting for Kerry, even Nader's former running-mate.
5. Kerry is succeeding in battlegrond states.
6. Undecideds will more than likely vote for Kerry.
7. Kerry has momentum!
I think that enough Bush-hating folks will come out of the woodwork on Nov. 2nd from all over America to vote Retard and Dr. Evil out of office.
The main thing that concerns me are groups like Nathan Sproul's Democratic Voter Registration Shredding Campaign, at work in all of the swing states. Why hasn't the Nathan Sproul news bubbled up to the top of the mainstream media?(!)
I think that enough Bush-hating folks will come out of the woodwork on Nov. 2nd from all over America to vote Retard and Dr. Evil out of office.
The main thing that concerns me are groups like Nathan Sproul's Democratic Voter Registration Shredding Campaign, at work in all of the swing states. Why hasn't the Nathan Sproul news bubbled up to the top of the mainstream media?(!)
I think that enough Bush-hating folks will come out of the woodwork on Nov. 2nd from all over America to vote Retard and Dr. Evil out of office.
The main thing that concerns me are groups like Nathan Sproul's Democratic Voter Registration Shredding Campaign, at work in all of the swing states. Why hasn't the Nathan Sproul news bubbled up to the top of the mainstream media?(!)
Although we try mostly to rent dvd's from the library instead of supporting Blockbuster, my husband relented and got a movie there last night. He said there were 98 copies of F911 and all but TWO were checked out! Heartening, isn't it?
Although we try mostly to rent dvd's from the library instead of supporting Blockbuster, my husband relented and got a movie there last night. He said there were 98 copies of F911 and all but TWO were checked out! Heartening, isn't it?
Although we try mostly to rent dvd's from the library instead of supporting Blockbuster, my husband relented and got a movie there last night. He said there were 98 copies of F911 and all but TWO were checked out! Heartening, isn't it?
BTW... these horrible nightmare years certainly have flown by, haven't they. And i'm only being a little facetious. I seems like only a little while ago when the world was progressing normally.
BTW... these horrible nightmare years certainly have flown by, haven't they. And i'm only being a little facetious. I seems like only a little while ago when the world was progressing normally.
BTW... these horrible nightmare years certainly have flown by, haven't they. And i'm only being a little facetious. I seems like only a little while ago when the world was progressing normally.
Sheik Arbusto - I live in Columbus, and I've got a good feeling, too. I would be so proud if Ohio put Kerry over the top, just like Ohio did in 1992.
Sheik Arbusto - I live in Columbus, and I've got a good feeling, too. I would be so proud if Ohio put Kerry over the top, just like Ohio did in 1992.
Sheik Arbusto - I live in Columbus, and I've got a good feeling, too. I would be so proud if Ohio put Kerry over the top, just like Ohio did in 1992.
Atrios -
If Gore had won, do you think you would have started blogging eventually?
Atrios -
If Gore had won, do you think you would have started blogging eventually?
Atrios -
If Gore had won, do you think you would have started blogging eventually?
How old are you, Atrios?
'bout the same age as Tucker, I think. But no bow tie...
How old are you, Atrios?
'bout the same age as Tucker, I think. But no bow tie...
How old are you, Atrios?
'bout the same age as Tucker, I think. But no bow tie...
I remember thinking that Gore would win the electoral vote but lose the popular vote.
BTW, my earliest memory of Laura Ingraham was her election-eve prediction of a Dole landslide victory over Clinton. I realized in that moment just how much the press had changed from the MTP and FTN from my bored childhood Sunday mornings.
I remember thinking that Gore would win the electoral vote but lose the popular vote.
BTW, my earliest memory of Laura Ingraham was her election-eve prediction of a Dole landslide victory over Clinton. I realized in that moment just how much the press had changed from the MTP and FTN from my bored childhood Sunday mornings.
I remember thinking that Gore would win the electoral vote but lose the popular vote.
BTW, my earliest memory of Laura Ingraham was her election-eve prediction of a Dole landslide victory over Clinton. I realized in that moment just how much the press had changed from the MTP and FTN from my bored childhood Sunday mornings.
I'm 32.
I'm 32.
I'm 32.
There are two major vulnerabilities that Kerry has, both of which he and progressives have the means to address effectively (over and above the outright stealing of the election, which -- protestations aside -- seems underway bigtime already (see Oct issue of The Progressive magazine).
First vulnerability is the flipflop spin. It seems to have faded to a background issue, as soon as Kerry showed he could refute it easily in the debate. But he must somehow make his consistency clear, and if he doesn't the points from Chait in The New Republic on the subject need to be pushed into the mainstream, possibly by 527s.
The second vulnerability stems from the Bai hatchet piece, with choruses of protestation going on while the Mary Cheney flap serves as misdirection -- the attack on Kerry as 'soft on terrorism'. Many swing voters have already reacted to that notion, or (re Guiliani and Dick Morris demagogy, in addition to Bush at third debate) the "nuisance" quote. Actually, the time allowed by the Mary Cheney reaction must be used wisely by the Democrats to both put forward a MAJOR address (like the NYU speech) on terrorism, specifically explaining his overall stance (which is MUCH better on substance than Bush's nonsense) in detail, including how he might deploy the doubled special forces, AND how media including Bai have distorted it. Morris's "Nuisance nonsense" could be used as a backboard to show how silly the media handling of the issue is.
Also, the Osama lie would be a good venue for a counterrattack, both of Bush lying and not keeping his eye on the ball regarding Osama.
Remember Chomsky, Julianne Malveaux (these are leading and very sharp lefties), and Madeleine Albright (neither) claiming there would be an Osama surprise? Well, I don't see it yet. Bush must be slammed on terrorism AND on his attempt to palm off 1.9 million job growth after massive job losses as a good performance (that's lower than the AVERAGE year of job growth under Clinton's 8 years!)
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Final week: a big speech on jobs and the deficit, and outlining in full detail what the Bush record has been and what he would do, with attention to how his programs would create jobs (this includes jobs created by health plan etc.) DETAILED TOO. Then a medial blitz on jobs and the deficit in the final week.
There are two major vulnerabilities that Kerry has, both of which he and progressives have the means to address effectively (over and above the outright stealing of the election, which -- protestations aside -- seems underway bigtime already (see Oct issue of The Progressive magazine).
First vulnerability is the flipflop spin. It seems to have faded to a background issue, as soon as Kerry showed he could refute it easily in the debate. But he must somehow make his consistency clear, and if he doesn't the points from Chait in The New Republic on the subject need to be pushed into the mainstream, possibly by 527s.
The second vulnerability stems from the Bai hatchet piece, with choruses of protestation going on while the Mary Cheney flap serves as misdirection -- the attack on Kerry as 'soft on terrorism'. Many swing voters have already reacted to that notion, or (re Guiliani and Dick Morris demagogy, in addition to Bush at third debate) the "nuisance" quote. Actually, the time allowed by the Mary Cheney reaction must be used wisely by the Democrats to both put forward a MAJOR address (like the NYU speech) on terrorism, specifically explaining his overall stance (which is MUCH better on substance than Bush's nonsense) in detail, including how he might deploy the doubled special forces, AND how media including Bai have distorted it. Morris's "Nuisance nonsense" could be used as a backboard to show how silly the media handling of the issue is.
Also, the Osama lie would be a good venue for a counterrattack, both of Bush lying and not keeping his eye on the ball regarding Osama.
Remember Chomsky, Julianne Malveaux (these are leading and very sharp lefties), and Madeleine Albright (neither) claiming there would be an Osama surprise? Well, I don't see it yet. Bush must be slammed on terrorism AND on his attempt to palm off 1.9 million job growth after massive job losses as a good performance (that's lower than the AVERAGE year of job growth under Clinton's 8 years!)
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Final week: a big speech on jobs and the deficit, and outlining in full detail what the Bush record has been and what he would do, with attention to how his programs would create jobs (this includes jobs created by health plan etc.) DETAILED TOO. Then a medial blitz on jobs and the deficit in the final week.
There are two major vulnerabilities that Kerry has, both of which he and progressives have the means to address effectively (over and above the outright stealing of the election, which -- protestations aside -- seems underway bigtime already (see Oct issue of The Progressive magazine).
First vulnerability is the flipflop spin. It seems to have faded to a background issue, as soon as Kerry showed he could refute it easily in the debate. But he must somehow make his consistency clear, and if he doesn't the points from Chait in The New Republic on the subject need to be pushed into the mainstream, possibly by 527s.
The second vulnerability stems from the Bai hatchet piece, with choruses of protestation going on while the Mary Cheney flap serves as misdirection -- the attack on Kerry as 'soft on terrorism'. Many swing voters have already reacted to that notion, or (re Guiliani and Dick Morris demagogy, in addition to Bush at third debate) the "nuisance" quote. Actually, the time allowed by the Mary Cheney reaction must be used wisely by the Democrats to both put forward a MAJOR address (like the NYU speech) on terrorism, specifically explaining his overall stance (which is MUCH better on substance than Bush's nonsense) in detail, including how he might deploy the doubled special forces, AND how media including Bai have distorted it. Morris's "Nuisance nonsense" could be used as a backboard to show how silly the media handling of the issue is.
Also, the Osama lie would be a good venue for a counterrattack, both of Bush lying and not keeping his eye on the ball regarding Osama.
Remember Chomsky, Julianne Malveaux (these are leading and very sharp lefties), and Madeleine Albright (neither) claiming there would be an Osama surprise? Well, I don't see it yet. Bush must be slammed on terrorism AND on his attempt to palm off 1.9 million job growth after massive job losses as a good performance (that's lower than the AVERAGE year of job growth under Clinton's 8 years!)
------------
Final week: a big speech on jobs and the deficit, and outlining in full detail what the Bush record has been and what he would do, with attention to how his programs would create jobs (this includes jobs created by health plan etc.) DETAILED TOO. Then a medial blitz on jobs and the deficit in the final week.
Arbusto & Withnail,
Wasn't that the point of having John Glenn be the one to put Kerry over the top at the Democratic convention? Because it was symbolic?
Arbusto & Withnail,
Wasn't that the point of having John Glenn be the one to put Kerry over the top at the Democratic convention? Because it was symbolic?
Arbusto & Withnail,
Wasn't that the point of having John Glenn be the one to put Kerry over the top at the Democratic convention? Because it was symbolic?
Oh to be 32 again!
So much to do so little time.
Oh to be 32 again!
So much to do so little time.
Oh to be 32 again!
So much to do so little time.
NYMary, I think you're right.
NYMary, I think you're right.
NYMary, I think you're right.
"I'm 32.
Atrios"
Ayeee....
Mijo.
"I'm 32.
Atrios"
Ayeee....
Mijo.
"I'm 32.
Atrios"
Ayeee....
Mijo.
The lengthy posting above about Kerry's two main vulnerabilities was mine. Just forgot to type in info. Sorry.
And don't forget -- throughout the internet it's "Swift Boat Veterans for Slime" not "SBVT"!
The lengthy posting above about Kerry's two main vulnerabilities was mine. Just forgot to type in info. Sorry.
And don't forget -- throughout the internet it's "Swift Boat Veterans for Slime" not "SBVT"!
The lengthy posting above about Kerry's two main vulnerabilities was mine. Just forgot to type in info. Sorry.
And don't forget -- throughout the internet it's "Swift Boat Veterans for Slime" not "SBVT"!
'bout the same age as Tucker, I think. But no bow tie...
....and he's not a dick.
I'm optimistic, myself.
I think about how bad things looked a year or so ago, and I feel downright good about the situation as it is..
'bout the same age as Tucker, I think. But no bow tie...
....and he's not a dick.
I'm optimistic, myself.
I think about how bad things looked a year or so ago, and I feel downright good about the situation as it is..
'bout the same age as Tucker, I think. But no bow tie...
....and he's not a dick.
I'm optimistic, myself.
I think about how bad things looked a year or so ago, and I feel downright good about the situation as it is..
A large increase in the number of Kerry/Edwards bumper stickers here in southwestern Ohio and northern Kentucky while RNC sock puppet and Jr. KY Senator crazy Jim Bunning's poll numbers drop faster than sweaty jocks after an extra inning August ball game.
Flu panic widespread and draft fears growing among female cloth-coaters with teenagers.
People are sick of seeing old folks cry at pharmacy counters.
Stay calm, focused and on message knowing evil Karl has pots of mud and faux terror bubbling and ready to smear.
Anyone for a post victory forced sterilization of a certain self-proclaimed imperial family???
A large increase in the number of Kerry/Edwards bumper stickers here in southwestern Ohio and northern Kentucky while RNC sock puppet and Jr. KY Senator crazy Jim Bunning's poll numbers drop faster than sweaty jocks after an extra inning August ball game.
Flu panic widespread and draft fears growing among female cloth-coaters with teenagers.
People are sick of seeing old folks cry at pharmacy counters.
Stay calm, focused and on message knowing evil Karl has pots of mud and faux terror bubbling and ready to smear.
Anyone for a post victory forced sterilization of a certain self-proclaimed imperial family???
A large increase in the number of Kerry/Edwards bumper stickers here in southwestern Ohio and northern Kentucky while RNC sock puppet and Jr. KY Senator crazy Jim Bunning's poll numbers drop faster than sweaty jocks after an extra inning August ball game.
Flu panic widespread and draft fears growing among female cloth-coaters with teenagers.
People are sick of seeing old folks cry at pharmacy counters.
Stay calm, focused and on message knowing evil Karl has pots of mud and faux terror bubbling and ready to smear.
Anyone for a post victory forced sterilization of a certain self-proclaimed imperial family???
I have been wondering about the big dog - Is that going to be Kerry's October surprise? Big dog would take over at least a couple news cycles. From what I have read (rumors) he is not recovering as quickly as hoped. But he does not have to do anything big, just a five minute speech for a few days in a row. I think America has come to grips with big dog, and he does not have the CW in 2000 that he was radioactive to Gore...two cents.
I have been wondering about the big dog - Is that going to be Kerry's October surprise? Big dog would take over at least a couple news cycles. From what I have read (rumors) he is not recovering as quickly as hoped. But he does not have to do anything big, just a five minute speech for a few days in a row. I think America has come to grips with big dog, and he does not have the CW in 2000 that he was radioactive to Gore...two cents.
I have been wondering about the big dog - Is that going to be Kerry's October surprise? Big dog would take over at least a couple news cycles. From what I have read (rumors) he is not recovering as quickly as hoped. But he does not have to do anything big, just a five minute speech for a few days in a row. I think America has come to grips with big dog, and he does not have the CW in 2000 that he was radioactive to Gore...two cents.
The problem with 2000 was the electoral college. I live in a state that is not contested. I am effectively disenfranchised.
This is one large reason people do not vote.
The majority in this country is progressive. But when the votes in Idaho are worth x times those in California the idiotic regressives win.
There are at least two solutions.
1. everybody move to states like Idaho and Montana.
2. get rid of the electoral college.
I am not an expert in these things. I would appreciate seeing some one produce some elegant graphs (a la Tuft) of the differential of votes between states plotted across the last 200 years or so.
Most Americans agree. We are cobbled by the minority fundamentalists.
The problem with 2000 was the electoral college. I live in a state that is not contested. I am effectively disenfranchised.
This is one large reason people do not vote.
The majority in this country is progressive. But when the votes in Idaho are worth x times those in California the idiotic regressives win.
There are at least two solutions.
1. everybody move to states like Idaho and Montana.
2. get rid of the electoral college.
I am not an expert in these things. I would appreciate seeing some one produce some elegant graphs (a la Tuft) of the differential of votes between states plotted across the last 200 years or so.
Most Americans agree. We are cobbled by the minority fundamentalists.
The problem with 2000 was the electoral college. I live in a state that is not contested. I am effectively disenfranchised.
This is one large reason people do not vote.
The majority in this country is progressive. But when the votes in Idaho are worth x times those in California the idiotic regressives win.
There are at least two solutions.
1. everybody move to states like Idaho and Montana.
2. get rid of the electoral college.
I am not an expert in these things. I would appreciate seeing some one produce some elegant graphs (a la Tuft) of the differential of votes between states plotted across the last 200 years or so.
Most Americans agree. We are cobbled by the minority fundamentalists.
PS-rural Kentucky, however, packed with Bush/Cheney signs and, of course, legal and illegal latino farm labor...God shedding his grace on only some of thee.
PS-rural Kentucky, however, packed with Bush/Cheney signs and, of course, legal and illegal latino farm labor...God shedding his grace on only some of thee.
PS-rural Kentucky, however, packed with Bush/Cheney signs and, of course, legal and illegal latino farm labor...God shedding his grace on only some of thee.
Central Scrutinizer, I agree. I have been thinking recently that even a year ago, it didn't seem possible to ever be rid of Bush, under any circumstances. It seems as though the last 4 years have been heavy, dark times. I'm so glad we're running the home stretch. No rest, trust these people with nothing. But gawd dayum, it's gonna be great to actually have an election day!
::::fingers crossed behind my back, just in case::::::
Central Scrutinizer, I agree. I have been thinking recently that even a year ago, it didn't seem possible to ever be rid of Bush, under any circumstances. It seems as though the last 4 years have been heavy, dark times. I'm so glad we're running the home stretch. No rest, trust these people with nothing. But gawd dayum, it's gonna be great to actually have an election day!
::::fingers crossed behind my back, just in case::::::
Central Scrutinizer, I agree. I have been thinking recently that even a year ago, it didn't seem possible to ever be rid of Bush, under any circumstances. It seems as though the last 4 years have been heavy, dark times. I'm so glad we're running the home stretch. No rest, trust these people with nothing. But gawd dayum, it's gonna be great to actually have an election day!
::::fingers crossed behind my back, just in case::::::
1. All signs point to record turnout, which helps Democrats.
2. Significant Democratic lead in registering new voters, who don't show up in "likely voter" polls.
3. Polls don't include young people without land-line phones.
4. Most polls don't include Badnarik, although he'll probably do better than Nader in some states and will get most of his votes at Bush's expense.
5. Excess sampling of registered Republicans.
All things considered, I think the polls understate the Kerry vote by 3-5%.
1. All signs point to record turnout, which helps Democrats.
2. Significant Democratic lead in registering new voters, who don't show up in "likely voter" polls.
3. Polls don't include young people without land-line phones.
4. Most polls don't include Badnarik, although he'll probably do better than Nader in some states and will get most of his votes at Bush's expense.
5. Excess sampling of registered Republicans.
All things considered, I think the polls understate the Kerry vote by 3-5%.
1. All signs point to record turnout, which helps Democrats.
2. Significant Democratic lead in registering new voters, who don't show up in "likely voter" polls.
3. Polls don't include young people without land-line phones.
4. Most polls don't include Badnarik, although he'll probably do better than Nader in some states and will get most of his votes at Bush's expense.
5. Excess sampling of registered Republicans.
All things considered, I think the polls understate the Kerry vote by 3-5%.
I am effectively disenfranchised.
I live in SC, where Kerry will most decidedly not win. I'm making up for it by volunteering to call voters in swing states. Very gratifying.
I am effectively disenfranchised.
I live in SC, where Kerry will most decidedly not win. I'm making up for it by volunteering to call voters in swing states. Very gratifying.
I am effectively disenfranchised.
I live in SC, where Kerry will most decidedly not win. I'm making up for it by volunteering to call voters in swing states. Very gratifying.
It really does suck that 10 states are going to elect our next president.
I really hate the electoral college.Why should democracy be put into the hands of the few?
The one problem democracy does have is its willingness to allow mob rules.I would gladly settle for mob rules on electing a president.
It really does suck that 10 states are going to elect our next president.
I really hate the electoral college.Why should democracy be put into the hands of the few?
The one problem democracy does have is its willingness to allow mob rules.I would gladly settle for mob rules on electing a president.
It really does suck that 10 states are going to elect our next president.
I really hate the electoral college.Why should democracy be put into the hands of the few?
The one problem democracy does have is its willingness to allow mob rules.I would gladly settle for mob rules on electing a president.
I alternate between cautious optimism and deep depression.
Cautious optimism because I think we have a shot according to the rule book.
Deep depression because I think they'll steal the election again.
I alternate between cautious optimism and deep depression.
Cautious optimism because I think we have a shot according to the rule book.
Deep depression because I think they'll steal the election again.
I alternate between cautious optimism and deep depression.
Cautious optimism because I think we have a shot according to the rule book.
Deep depression because I think they'll steal the election again.
Anyone for a post victory forced sterilization of a certain self-proclaimed imperial family???
I think Kevin Phillips would get behind that sentiment. Did anyone see NOW last night? It was a really good show.
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I have been wondering about the big dog - Is that going to be Kerry's October surprise? Big dog would take over at least a couple news cycles. From what I have read (rumors) he is not recovering as quickly as hoped. But he does not have to do anything big, just a five minute speech for a few days in a row.
I heard Hillary Clinton on AAR this week. She said the former preznit is following doctor's orders and doing well. Sounded like he's making progress, but she certainly didn't indicate that he'd be up for any in-person stumping. That must be driving him crazy.
Anyone for a post victory forced sterilization of a certain self-proclaimed imperial family???
I think Kevin Phillips would get behind that sentiment. Did anyone see NOW last night? It was a really good show.
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I have been wondering about the big dog - Is that going to be Kerry's October surprise? Big dog would take over at least a couple news cycles. From what I have read (rumors) he is not recovering as quickly as hoped. But he does not have to do anything big, just a five minute speech for a few days in a row.
I heard Hillary Clinton on AAR this week. She said the former preznit is following doctor's orders and doing well. Sounded like he's making progress, but she certainly didn't indicate that he'd be up for any in-person stumping. That must be driving him crazy.
Anyone for a post victory forced sterilization of a certain self-proclaimed imperial family???
I think Kevin Phillips would get behind that sentiment. Did anyone see NOW last night? It was a really good show.
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I have been wondering about the big dog - Is that going to be Kerry's October surprise? Big dog would take over at least a couple news cycles. From what I have read (rumors) he is not recovering as quickly as hoped. But he does not have to do anything big, just a five minute speech for a few days in a row.
I heard Hillary Clinton on AAR this week. She said the former preznit is following doctor's orders and doing well. Sounded like he's making progress, but she certainly didn't indicate that he'd be up for any in-person stumping. That must be driving him crazy.
Thanks monica, had not heard that. But damn, outfit the big dog with a luxury bus full of nurses and medical equipment. Three five minute speeches over three days big dog, that's all we ask. He'll take over the news cycle and IMHO add a point or two to Kerry if done late next week.
Thanks monica, had not heard that. But damn, outfit the big dog with a luxury bus full of nurses and medical equipment. Three five minute speeches over three days big dog, that's all we ask. He'll take over the news cycle and IMHO add a point or two to Kerry if done late next week.
Thanks monica, had not heard that. But damn, outfit the big dog with a luxury bus full of nurses and medical equipment. Three five minute speeches over three days big dog, that's all we ask. He'll take over the news cycle and IMHO add a point or two to Kerry if done late next week.
Election night 2000 was an absolute goddamn nightmare for me. I was living in NYC and stayed up 'til 4 AM listening to the news. The next few weeks were an emotional rollercoaster ride. When Bush finally "won," I was in a bad mood for about nine months, 'til 9/11 completed shortcircuited my brain.
Thinking back on that time now, it seems kind of rose-tinted and naive. Everything I thought I knew about political corruption--every thing I thought I knew about Republican incompetence and depravity, and Dem spinelessness--all seems like some relaxing little bedtime story at this point. I've been a political junkie since I was a little kid, when I watched Watergate with complete fascination, but nonetheless I feel like I'm looking at political corruption for the first time in my life. We've really been spoiled. And when you think about how much worse things can get--how much worse they ARE, in so much of the world--it's terrifying.
Election night 2000 was an absolute goddamn nightmare for me. I was living in NYC and stayed up 'til 4 AM listening to the news. The next few weeks were an emotional rollercoaster ride. When Bush finally "won," I was in a bad mood for about nine months, 'til 9/11 completed shortcircuited my brain.
Thinking back on that time now, it seems kind of rose-tinted and naive. Everything I thought I knew about political corruption--every thing I thought I knew about Republican incompetence and depravity, and Dem spinelessness--all seems like some relaxing little bedtime story at this point. I've been a political junkie since I was a little kid, when I watched Watergate with complete fascination, but nonetheless I feel like I'm looking at political corruption for the first time in my life. We've really been spoiled. And when you think about how much worse things can get--how much worse they ARE, in so much of the world--it's terrifying.
Election night 2000 was an absolute goddamn nightmare for me. I was living in NYC and stayed up 'til 4 AM listening to the news. The next few weeks were an emotional rollercoaster ride. When Bush finally "won," I was in a bad mood for about nine months, 'til 9/11 completed shortcircuited my brain.
Thinking back on that time now, it seems kind of rose-tinted and naive. Everything I thought I knew about political corruption--every thing I thought I knew about Republican incompetence and depravity, and Dem spinelessness--all seems like some relaxing little bedtime story at this point. I've been a political junkie since I was a little kid, when I watched Watergate with complete fascination, but nonetheless I feel like I'm looking at political corruption for the first time in my life. We've really been spoiled. And when you think about how much worse things can get--how much worse they ARE, in so much of the world--it's terrifying.
"News" Stories Coming Soon To A TV Near You:
1. Terror Level Red Alert.
2. A Bold New Plan To Catch Osama (how many times have we been jerked around with that?)
3. Stocks Rally Going Into Election - Wall Street Convinced Of Bush Victory.
4. November Surprise - Registered Democrats Show Up At Voting Booths - Not Registered.
5. Electronic Voting Machines Crash, Lose Votes in (pick-your-democratic-county-USA).
Mathmatically, it seems like Kerry should win at this point, but I won't be too optimistic until I see it done.
There is still a lot of time for the Chimpsters to throw some dung. They've likely saved some of the best shit for last. I don't want to scare anyone, but just don't get too relaxed. As Mr. Wolf says in Pulp Fiction, "Let's not start sucking eachother's dicks just yet, gentlemen"
"News" Stories Coming Soon To A TV Near You:
1. Terror Level Red Alert.
2. A Bold New Plan To Catch Osama (how many times have we been jerked around with that?)
3. Stocks Rally Going Into Election - Wall Street Convinced Of Bush Victory.
4. November Surprise - Registered Democrats Show Up At Voting Booths - Not Registered.
5. Electronic Voting Machines Crash, Lose Votes in (pick-your-democratic-county-USA).
Mathmatically, it seems like Kerry should win at this point, but I won't be too optimistic until I see it done.
There is still a lot of time for the Chimpsters to throw some dung. They've likely saved some of the best shit for last. I don't want to scare anyone, but just don't get too relaxed. As Mr. Wolf says in Pulp Fiction, "Let's not start sucking eachother's dicks just yet, gentlemen"
"News" Stories Coming Soon To A TV Near You:
1. Terror Level Red Alert.
2. A Bold New Plan To Catch Osama (how many times have we been jerked around with that?)
3. Stocks Rally Going Into Election - Wall Street Convinced Of Bush Victory.
4. November Surprise - Registered Democrats Show Up At Voting Booths - Not Registered.
5. Electronic Voting Machines Crash, Lose Votes in (pick-your-democratic-county-USA).
Mathmatically, it seems like Kerry should win at this point, but I won't be too optimistic until I see it done.
There is still a lot of time for the Chimpsters to throw some dung. They've likely saved some of the best shit for last. I don't want to scare anyone, but just don't get too relaxed. As Mr. Wolf says in Pulp Fiction, "Let's not start sucking eachother's dicks just yet, gentlemen"
2 things:
First: I'm PROUD to be a Massachusetts LIBERAL, and I'm TIRED of listening to Massachusetts get bashed over being culturally ahead of its time.
Second: I hate the @#$@#$@#$ YANKEES
2 things:
First: I'm PROUD to be a Massachusetts LIBERAL, and I'm TIRED of listening to Massachusetts get bashed over being culturally ahead of its time.
Second: I hate the @#$@#$@#$ YANKEES
2 things:
First: I'm PROUD to be a Massachusetts LIBERAL, and I'm TIRED of listening to Massachusetts get bashed over being culturally ahead of its time.
Second: I hate the @#$@#$@#$ YANKEES
Gore DID win Florida by quite a large margin - it's just 10's of thousands of voters were blocked and 20 thousand weren't counted.
Gore DID win Florida by quite a large margin - it's just 10's of thousands of voters were blocked and 20 thousand weren't counted.
Gore DID win Florida by quite a large margin - it's just 10's of thousands of voters were blocked and 20 thousand weren't counted.
If someone says to you "why should I vote when I live in a Bush state" (or a Kerry state, for that matter), remind them of the local and state-level candidates. It can't just be Kerry at the top that takes the country back.
In my county, some rich unqualified asshole republican is trying to chase our very good effective democrat sheriff out of office. When I'm blockwalking and hear "why vote, it's not like Kerry is going to take Texas" people are consistently surprised when I remind them of the local races..."oh yeah...he's great, I should vote for him, that's right..."
And you know what else? Kerry has a fucking chance to take Texas, too, if everyone will fucking well vote! (That's not out loud, of course.)
If someone says to you "why should I vote when I live in a Bush state" (or a Kerry state, for that matter), remind them of the local and state-level candidates. It can't just be Kerry at the top that takes the country back.
In my county, some rich unqualified asshole republican is trying to chase our very good effective democrat sheriff out of office. When I'm blockwalking and hear "why vote, it's not like Kerry is going to take Texas" people are consistently surprised when I remind them of the local races..."oh yeah...he's great, I should vote for him, that's right..."
And you know what else? Kerry has a fucking chance to take Texas, too, if everyone will fucking well vote! (That's not out loud, of course.)
If someone says to you "why should I vote when I live in a Bush state" (or a Kerry state, for that matter), remind them of the local and state-level candidates. It can't just be Kerry at the top that takes the country back.
In my county, some rich unqualified asshole republican is trying to chase our very good effective democrat sheriff out of office. When I'm blockwalking and hear "why vote, it's not like Kerry is going to take Texas" people are consistently surprised when I remind them of the local races..."oh yeah...he's great, I should vote for him, that's right..."
And you know what else? Kerry has a fucking chance to take Texas, too, if everyone will fucking well vote! (That's not out loud, of course.)
One word, folks.
DRAFT.
It's the word that captivates any teenager, 20-or-30-something, and any parent.
The Kerry camp has set this up BRILLIANTLY. First, pound and pound into the collective CW that Bush is out of touch with reality (not hard to do). Then, point out how bad things are (again, a dropkick). THEN, after the debates, when Bush can't refute it on live TV, pound and pound the Bush Doctrine vs. Reality showdown into the collective CW. The numbers just don't add up. Throw in a dash or two of maniacal tunnel vision (Suskind's NYT article comes at the best possible time), and you have the NECESSITY of a draft. Not the possibility - the NECESSITY.
We will win on this word alone. Welcome to the Dem's October Surprise.
One word, folks.
DRAFT.
It's the word that captivates any teenager, 20-or-30-something, and any parent.
The Kerry camp has set this up BRILLIANTLY. First, pound and pound into the collective CW that Bush is out of touch with reality (not hard to do). Then, point out how bad things are (again, a dropkick). THEN, after the debates, when Bush can't refute it on live TV, pound and pound the Bush Doctrine vs. Reality showdown into the collective CW. The numbers just don't add up. Throw in a dash or two of maniacal tunnel vision (Suskind's NYT article comes at the best possible time), and you have the NECESSITY of a draft. Not the possibility - the NECESSITY.
We will win on this word alone. Welcome to the Dem's October Surprise.
One word, folks.
DRAFT.
It's the word that captivates any teenager, 20-or-30-something, and any parent.
The Kerry camp has set this up BRILLIANTLY. First, pound and pound into the collective CW that Bush is out of touch with reality (not hard to do). Then, point out how bad things are (again, a dropkick). THEN, after the debates, when Bush can't refute it on live TV, pound and pound the Bush Doctrine vs. Reality showdown into the collective CW. The numbers just don't add up. Throw in a dash or two of maniacal tunnel vision (Suskind's NYT article comes at the best possible time), and you have the NECESSITY of a draft. Not the possibility - the NECESSITY.
We will win on this word alone. Welcome to the Dem's October Surprise.
Keep in mind who has spent the last four years setting up the voting the system we'll use next month and is there anyone here who doesn't think those same people used every possible tactic to see that voting system worked best, for them?
I didn't think so.
I'd like to be optimistic but I'm saving it for November 3rd when my biggest worry is what lame duck chimpy can do to this country in sixty some odd days.
Keep in mind who has spent the last four years setting up the voting the system we'll use next month and is there anyone here who doesn't think those same people used every possible tactic to see that voting system worked best, for them?
I didn't think so.
I'd like to be optimistic but I'm saving it for November 3rd when my biggest worry is what lame duck chimpy can do to this country in sixty some odd days.
Keep in mind who has spent the last four years setting up the voting the system we'll use next month and is there anyone here who doesn't think those same people used every possible tactic to see that voting system worked best, for them?
I didn't think so.
I'd like to be optimistic but I'm saving it for November 3rd when my biggest worry is what lame duck chimpy can do to this country in sixty some odd days.
Kerry doesn't HAVE TO win two of the three (PA, OH, FL), but it would nail down victory for sure. There are other possibilities for Kerry. However, Bush MUST win two of the three.
I like our chances.
Kerry doesn't HAVE TO win two of the three (PA, OH, FL), but it would nail down victory for sure. There are other possibilities for Kerry. However, Bush MUST win two of the three.
I like our chances.
Kerry doesn't HAVE TO win two of the three (PA, OH, FL), but it would nail down victory for sure. There are other possibilities for Kerry. However, Bush MUST win two of the three.
I like our chances.
I was polled in 2000, I haven't been polled yet this year.
I now use a cell phone for long distance service, I suspect that's why I haven't been polled.
If the election almost went to Gore, with him down by 13% in the polls, does it hold true that Kerry will win by 13% because the polls say they are tied now?
I was polled in 2000, I haven't been polled yet this year.
I now use a cell phone for long distance service, I suspect that's why I haven't been polled.
If the election almost went to Gore, with him down by 13% in the polls, does it hold true that Kerry will win by 13% because the polls say they are tied now?
I was polled in 2000, I haven't been polled yet this year.
I now use a cell phone for long distance service, I suspect that's why I haven't been polled.
If the election almost went to Gore, with him down by 13% in the polls, does it hold true that Kerry will win by 13% because the polls say they are tied now?
Apologies! I'm gonna have to repost my earlier screed on this thread.
Remember one thing: even a "narrow" victory will be a LOSS.
A "narrow" victory can... and will... be STOLEN. If the results were, say 54 Kerry - 43 Bush, it would be nearly impossible to stop the clock and steal it again. The only recourse they would have left would be to drag every state closer than 60-40 into court, claiming "irregularities"... which they would still absolutely do.
And I'd take that! Because at least that way, if it were to drag on indefinitely and they were to, say, nullify any states' results based on "irregularities"... and THEN they stopped the clock!.. the country simply would not tolerate it, and all bets on the social contract would be off.
Which, in turn, would generate the level of outrage it would finally take for the peasants to rise up, and string 'em all up. In a manner of speaking, of course.
Tinfoil, perhaps, but these people (and you listen to me good!) DO NOT DO DEFEAT. They are RADICALS; they do not accept our Constitutional system as sacred (see also Paul Krugman's "The Great Unraveling"). Anything short of an overwhelming victory for our side = de facto defeat.
Apologies! I'm gonna have to repost my earlier screed on this thread.
Remember one thing: even a "narrow" victory will be a LOSS.
A "narrow" victory can... and will... be STOLEN. If the results were, say 54 Kerry - 43 Bush, it would be nearly impossible to stop the clock and steal it again. The only recourse they would have left would be to drag every state closer than 60-40 into court, claiming "irregularities"... which they would still absolutely do.
And I'd take that! Because at least that way, if it were to drag on indefinitely and they were to, say, nullify any states' results based on "irregularities"... and THEN they stopped the clock!.. the country simply would not tolerate it, and all bets on the social contract would be off.
Which, in turn, would generate the level of outrage it would finally take for the peasants to rise up, and string 'em all up. In a manner of speaking, of course.
Tinfoil, perhaps, but these people (and you listen to me good!) DO NOT DO DEFEAT. They are RADICALS; they do not accept our Constitutional system as sacred (see also Paul Krugman's "The Great Unraveling"). Anything short of an overwhelming victory for our side = de facto defeat.
Apologies! I'm gonna have to repost my earlier screed on this thread.
Remember one thing: even a "narrow" victory will be a LOSS.
A "narrow" victory can... and will... be STOLEN. If the results were, say 54 Kerry - 43 Bush, it would be nearly impossible to stop the clock and steal it again. The only recourse they would have left would be to drag every state closer than 60-40 into court, claiming "irregularities"... which they would still absolutely do.
And I'd take that! Because at least that way, if it were to drag on indefinitely and they were to, say, nullify any states' results based on "irregularities"... and THEN they stopped the clock!.. the country simply would not tolerate it, and all bets on the social contract would be off.
Which, in turn, would generate the level of outrage it would finally take for the peasants to rise up, and string 'em all up. In a manner of speaking, of course.
Tinfoil, perhaps, but these people (and you listen to me good!) DO NOT DO DEFEAT. They are RADICALS; they do not accept our Constitutional system as sacred (see also Paul Krugman's "The Great Unraveling"). Anything short of an overwhelming victory for our side = de facto defeat.
For what it's worth, the polls before the Canadian election had a majority victory for the challenging Conservatives. The Liberals were facing a massive scandal and way too many years in power. But a look to the south made the Conservatives simply too scary for Canadians and the Libs came back with a minority government. Everyone (read pundits) was shocked.
Talking later with a 30 yr old neighbor he told me he had been polled a few times and he always lied just to mess with them. Ever thought that some pro Kerrys are just doing a little covert action to make them let down their guard?
For what it's worth, the polls before the Canadian election had a majority victory for the challenging Conservatives. The Liberals were facing a massive scandal and way too many years in power. But a look to the south made the Conservatives simply too scary for Canadians and the Libs came back with a minority government. Everyone (read pundits) was shocked.
Talking later with a 30 yr old neighbor he told me he had been polled a few times and he always lied just to mess with them. Ever thought that some pro Kerrys are just doing a little covert action to make them let down their guard?
For what it's worth, the polls before the Canadian election had a majority victory for the challenging Conservatives. The Liberals were facing a massive scandal and way too many years in power. But a look to the south made the Conservatives simply too scary for Canadians and the Libs came back with a minority government. Everyone (read pundits) was shocked.
Talking later with a 30 yr old neighbor he told me he had been polled a few times and he always lied just to mess with them. Ever thought that some pro Kerrys are just doing a little covert action to make them let down their guard?
>All things considered, I think the polls understate the Kerry vote by 3-5%.
Which means landslide.
>All things considered, I think the polls understate the Kerry vote by 3-5%.
Which means landslide.
>All things considered, I think the polls understate the Kerry vote by 3-5%.
Which means landslide.
The GOPranos are not planning to win elections.
They're planning to win court cases.
They successfully engineered the court-assisted theft of democracy once before, and they will try it again.
The GOPranos are not planning to win elections.
They're planning to win court cases.
They successfully engineered the court-assisted theft of democracy once before, and they will try it again.
The GOPranos are not planning to win elections.
They're planning to win court cases.
They successfully engineered the court-assisted theft of democracy once before, and they will try it again.
Why don't the Nader supporters just cut out the middle man on November 2 and just pull the Bush lever?
Ralph the Egotist and his followers are every bit as delusional as Bush and his supporters!
Why don't the Nader supporters just cut out the middle man on November 2 and just pull the Bush lever?
Ralph the Egotist and his followers are every bit as delusional as Bush and his supporters!
Why don't the Nader supporters just cut out the middle man on November 2 and just pull the Bush lever?
Ralph the Egotist and his followers are every bit as delusional as Bush and his supporters!
Tucker Carlson's only 35?
To paraphrase Moe Howard in the Three Stooges short, "Men In Black":
"Naw, you couldn't get that stupid in only 35 years!"
Tucker Carlson's only 35?
To paraphrase Moe Howard in the Three Stooges short, "Men In Black":
"Naw, you couldn't get that stupid in only 35 years!"
Tucker Carlson's only 35?
To paraphrase Moe Howard in the Three Stooges short, "Men In Black":
"Naw, you couldn't get that stupid in only 35 years!"
I've been polled 4 times this year...the only time I was ever polled before was when I was staying at my brother's house 12 years ago and for some reason he was on some list. But as a Vet for Kerry I'm dismayed by the Vets who believe the "Not so swifties."
I've been polled 4 times this year...the only time I was ever polled before was when I was staying at my brother's house 12 years ago and for some reason he was on some list. But as a Vet for Kerry I'm dismayed by the Vets who believe the "Not so swifties."
I've been polled 4 times this year...the only time I was ever polled before was when I was staying at my brother's house 12 years ago and for some reason he was on some list. But as a Vet for Kerry I'm dismayed by the Vets who believe the "Not so swifties."
I was just watching the evening news and the lead story is all about the flu shot panic!
LISTEN PEOPLE: THIS IS THE OCTOBER SURPRIZE - ONLY IN REVERSE!!!! THIS IS GOING TO BITE BOOOOSH RIGHT ON THE ASS AND BOOT HIM OUT OF OFFICE.
MARK MY WOIDS! HE IS COOKED.
I was just watching the evening news and the lead story is all about the flu shot panic!
LISTEN PEOPLE: THIS IS THE OCTOBER SURPRIZE - ONLY IN REVERSE!!!! THIS IS GOING TO BITE BOOOOSH RIGHT ON THE ASS AND BOOT HIM OUT OF OFFICE.
MARK MY WOIDS! HE IS COOKED.
I was just watching the evening news and the lead story is all about the flu shot panic!
LISTEN PEOPLE: THIS IS THE OCTOBER SURPRIZE - ONLY IN REVERSE!!!! THIS IS GOING TO BITE BOOOOSH RIGHT ON THE ASS AND BOOT HIM OUT OF OFFICE.
MARK MY WOIDS! HE IS COOKED.
i didn't care in 2000. i was a little pissed i went to bed thinking gore won, (thank you peter jennings) florida, and so the election. but in the end, WTF another repuke who will fail miserably. how much damage can he do in four years.
just finished reading the suskind article. many times i've seen posters question little georges "faith" but i always respond trust me it's real. i was a born again, i remember thinking god had called me personally to transform the world; fortunately i was not pres. of the united snakes.
But Billington said he ''looked to God'' and said what was in his heart. ''The United States is the greatest country in the world,'' he told the rally. ''President Bush is the greatest president I have ever known. I love my president. I love my country. And more important, I love Jesus Christ.''
i have no problem with god or jebus heads, but i'll be damned if i want fundamentalists leading our foreign policy. fundamentalism is why we were attacked on sept 11.
i didn't care in 2000. i was a little pissed i went to bed thinking gore won, (thank you peter jennings) florida, and so the election. but in the end, WTF another repuke who will fail miserably. how much damage can he do in four years.
just finished reading the suskind article. many times i've seen posters question little georges "faith" but i always respond trust me it's real. i was a born again, i remember thinking god had called me personally to transform the world; fortunately i was not pres. of the united snakes.
But Billington said he ''looked to God'' and said what was in his heart. ''The United States is the greatest country in the world,'' he told the rally. ''President Bush is the greatest president I have ever known. I love my president. I love my country. And more important, I love Jesus Christ.''
i have no problem with god or jebus heads, but i'll be damned if i want fundamentalists leading our foreign policy. fundamentalism is why we were attacked on sept 11.
i didn't care in 2000. i was a little pissed i went to bed thinking gore won, (thank you peter jennings) florida, and so the election. but in the end, WTF another repuke who will fail miserably. how much damage can he do in four years.
just finished reading the suskind article. many times i've seen posters question little georges "faith" but i always respond trust me it's real. i was a born again, i remember thinking god had called me personally to transform the world; fortunately i was not pres. of the united snakes.
But Billington said he ''looked to God'' and said what was in his heart. ''The United States is the greatest country in the world,'' he told the rally. ''President Bush is the greatest president I have ever known. I love my president. I love my country. And more important, I love Jesus Christ.''
i have no problem with god or jebus heads, but i'll be damned if i want fundamentalists leading our foreign policy. fundamentalism is why we were attacked on sept 11.
One word, folks.
DRAFT.
It's the word that captivates any teenager, 20-or-30-something, and any parent.
It shut up the young hecklers at our rally mighty fast this morning. That and the question that always shuts their mouths. Why aren't you supporting your god-king in uniform in Iraq? Have yet to have one answer it.
One word, folks.
DRAFT.
It's the word that captivates any teenager, 20-or-30-something, and any parent.
It shut up the young hecklers at our rally mighty fast this morning. That and the question that always shuts their mouths. Why aren't you supporting your god-king in uniform in Iraq? Have yet to have one answer it.
One word, folks.
DRAFT.
It's the word that captivates any teenager, 20-or-30-something, and any parent.
It shut up the young hecklers at our rally mighty fast this morning. That and the question that always shuts their mouths. Why aren't you supporting your god-king in uniform in Iraq? Have yet to have one answer it.
They successfully engineered the court-assisted theft of democracy once before, and they will try it again.
Seraphiel
That's what it looks like. And it's all over the place this time. If they do it's time to stop buying. If Christmas sales fell 10% they'd cave in. Haven't had a Florida Orange since October 2000. And I won't until Jeb Crow is ended in that state.
They successfully engineered the court-assisted theft of democracy once before, and they will try it again.
Seraphiel
That's what it looks like. And it's all over the place this time. If they do it's time to stop buying. If Christmas sales fell 10% they'd cave in. Haven't had a Florida Orange since October 2000. And I won't until Jeb Crow is ended in that state.
They successfully engineered the court-assisted theft of democracy once before, and they will try it again.
Seraphiel
That's what it looks like. And it's all over the place this time. If they do it's time to stop buying. If Christmas sales fell 10% they'd cave in. Haven't had a Florida Orange since October 2000. And I won't until Jeb Crow is ended in that state.
The GOPranos are not planning to win elections.
They're planning to win court cases.
They successfully engineered the court-assisted theft of democracy once before, and they will try it again.
Seraphiel
Who'da thunk the GOP would provide their own case for "tort reform".
The GOPranos are not planning to win elections.
They're planning to win court cases.
They successfully engineered the court-assisted theft of democracy once before, and they will try it again.
Seraphiel
Who'da thunk the GOP would provide their own case for "tort reform".
The GOPranos are not planning to win elections.
They're planning to win court cases.
They successfully engineered the court-assisted theft of democracy once before, and they will try it again.
Seraphiel
Who'da thunk the GOP would provide their own case for "tort reform".
Philalethes -- you have read my mind (and fears). Nicely said.
My reason for optimism in addition to all that's been said above:
1. Democrats won two special congressional elections this year in KY and SD (previously Republican seats).
2. Tony Blair's party lost big in the most recent elections in England (where Iraq is a huge issue for the British, unlike Australia).
3. The turnout for the Democratic primaries were off the charts, especially here in Georgia/Atlanta where ex-Congresswoman McKinney won without hardly a dime of advertising. It was all GOTV in the black community. I just feel this will be multiplied a thousand times over on election day.
4. The Howard Stern factor!!!
Then again, I just hope November 2 is the end of the election, not the beginning of "Phase 2" with James Baker leading the charge once again. . . . .
Philalethes -- you have read my mind (and fears). Nicely said.
My reason for optimism in addition to all that's been said above:
1. Democrats won two special congressional elections this year in KY and SD (previously Republican seats).
2. Tony Blair's party lost big in the most recent elections in England (where Iraq is a huge issue for the British, unlike Australia).
3. The turnout for the Democratic primaries were off the charts, especially here in Georgia/Atlanta where ex-Congresswoman McKinney won without hardly a dime of advertising. It was all GOTV in the black community. I just feel this will be multiplied a thousand times over on election day.
4. The Howard Stern factor!!!
Then again, I just hope November 2 is the end of the election, not the beginning of "Phase 2" with James Baker leading the charge once again. . . . .
Philalethes -- you have read my mind (and fears). Nicely said.
My reason for optimism in addition to all that's been said above:
1. Democrats won two special congressional elections this year in KY and SD (previously Republican seats).
2. Tony Blair's party lost big in the most recent elections in England (where Iraq is a huge issue for the British, unlike Australia).
3. The turnout for the Democratic primaries were off the charts, especially here in Georgia/Atlanta where ex-Congresswoman McKinney won without hardly a dime of advertising. It was all GOTV in the black community. I just feel this will be multiplied a thousand times over on election day.
4. The Howard Stern factor!!!
Then again, I just hope November 2 is the end of the election, not the beginning of "Phase 2" with James Baker leading the charge once again. . . . .
That's what it looks like. And it's all over the place this time. If they do it's time to stop buying. If Christmas sales fell 10% they'd cave in. Haven't had a Florida Orange since October 2000. And I won't until Jeb Crow is ended in that state.
EPT
Nellie and Joe, I love your lime juice. But if Bush steals Florida again, you can all kiss my ass.
That's what it looks like. And it's all over the place this time. If they do it's time to stop buying. If Christmas sales fell 10% they'd cave in. Haven't had a Florida Orange since October 2000. And I won't until Jeb Crow is ended in that state.
EPT
Nellie and Joe, I love your lime juice. But if Bush steals Florida again, you can all kiss my ass.
That's what it looks like. And it's all over the place this time. If they do it's time to stop buying. If Christmas sales fell 10% they'd cave in. Haven't had a Florida Orange since October 2000. And I won't until Jeb Crow is ended in that state.
EPT
Nellie and Joe, I love your lime juice. But if Bush steals Florida again, you can all kiss my ass.
BTW, won't touch Bacardi anymore, for obvious reasons. Cockspur does quite nicely, Fuck You very much, Jeb.
BTW, won't touch Bacardi anymore, for obvious reasons. Cockspur does quite nicely, Fuck You very much, Jeb.
BTW, won't touch Bacardi anymore, for obvious reasons. Cockspur does quite nicely, Fuck You very much, Jeb.
Keanu Reeves, you must be getting your talking points from Zogby. He also says Bush HAS to have BOTH Ohio and Florida. Kerry can cobble together 270 electoral votes without them.
Keanu Reeves, you must be getting your talking points from Zogby. He also says Bush HAS to have BOTH Ohio and Florida. Kerry can cobble together 270 electoral votes without them.
Keanu Reeves, you must be getting your talking points from Zogby. He also says Bush HAS to have BOTH Ohio and Florida. Kerry can cobble together 270 electoral votes without them.
The NY Times has come out with a strong Kerry endorsement.
The NY Times has come out with a strong Kerry endorsement.
The NY Times has come out with a strong Kerry endorsement.
Anything short of an overwhelming victory for our side = de facto defeat.
If we don't win overwhelmingly this year, we will in 2008.
Anything short of an overwhelming victory for our side = de facto defeat.
If we don't win overwhelmingly this year, we will in 2008.
Anything short of an overwhelming victory for our side = de facto defeat.
If we don't win overwhelmingly this year, we will in 2008.
I remember 2000 and after all the fake lies on Gore .. toward the end Gore started running on Clinton's record and started hammering home a more populist appeal.. i remember the SCLM saying what a mistake it was .. that his populist message was just trying to divide country.. (remember that ridiculous argument?) Sure enough the last couple of weeks Gore was on fire and at very end people took a step back and thought "hey 8 years of peace and prosperity ain't that bad of a thing after all". So i thought we were going to win.
And I really thought we were going to win when at 1pm on election day Drudge had leaked VNS exit polls which showed Gore was going to win FLA by 50,000 votes!
I knew we were going to lose when Bush came on at 10 pm election night and said that Florida still was up in the air regardless of what exit polls said. The fact that he broke with tradition and came on TV during the election (before all the polls in US had closed) and NOONE said a damn thing about .. i knew there was something funny going on in Florida... sigh.. "was it all just a dream?"
I remember 2000 and after all the fake lies on Gore .. toward the end Gore started running on Clinton's record and started hammering home a more populist appeal.. i remember the SCLM saying what a mistake it was .. that his populist message was just trying to divide country.. (remember that ridiculous argument?) Sure enough the last couple of weeks Gore was on fire and at very end people took a step back and thought "hey 8 years of peace and prosperity ain't that bad of a thing after all". So i thought we were going to win.
And I really thought we were going to win when at 1pm on election day Drudge had leaked VNS exit polls which showed Gore was going to win FLA by 50,000 votes!
I knew we were going to lose when Bush came on at 10 pm election night and said that Florida still was up in the air regardless of what exit polls said. The fact that he broke with tradition and came on TV during the election (before all the polls in US had closed) and NOONE said a damn thing about .. i knew there was something funny going on in Florida... sigh.. "was it all just a dream?"
I remember 2000 and after all the fake lies on Gore .. toward the end Gore started running on Clinton's record and started hammering home a more populist appeal.. i remember the SCLM saying what a mistake it was .. that his populist message was just trying to divide country.. (remember that ridiculous argument?) Sure enough the last couple of weeks Gore was on fire and at very end people took a step back and thought "hey 8 years of peace and prosperity ain't that bad of a thing after all". So i thought we were going to win.
And I really thought we were going to win when at 1pm on election day Drudge had leaked VNS exit polls which showed Gore was going to win FLA by 50,000 votes!
I knew we were going to lose when Bush came on at 10 pm election night and said that Florida still was up in the air regardless of what exit polls said. The fact that he broke with tradition and came on TV during the election (before all the polls in US had closed) and NOONE said a damn thing about .. i knew there was something funny going on in Florida... sigh.. "was it all just a dream?"
Pennsylvania is a lock for Dems. Whoever wins Ohio wins the election.
Pennsylvania is a lock for Dems. Whoever wins Ohio wins the election.
Pennsylvania is a lock for Dems. Whoever wins Ohio wins the election.
excuse me,,, but didn't Gore actually win... ?
No.
He didn't.
If he had, we wouldn't have this fuckup named Bush to deal with.
excuse me,,, but didn't Gore actually win... ?
No.
He didn't.
If he had, we wouldn't have this fuckup named Bush to deal with.
excuse me,,, but didn't Gore actually win... ?
No.
He didn't.
If he had, we wouldn't have this fuckup named Bush to deal with.
Have an emotionally driven thought here - John Kerry announces that he will spend election day in Florida.
Set up his election night HQs there.
You figure his last day might include stops in Florida, Ohio, either Iowa or Wisconsin, then late one of Colo/NM/Ariz/Nev - if he cut out the early Florida stop, but then arrived at dawn, it would really send a message.
Down side - every body is needed to work the state, and setting up an election night site might take some manpower away.
But I like Kerry sending the emotional point and also sending a message to Jeb - we are watching you.
Have an emotionally driven thought here - John Kerry announces that he will spend election day in Florida.
Set up his election night HQs there.
You figure his last day might include stops in Florida, Ohio, either Iowa or Wisconsin, then late one of Colo/NM/Ariz/Nev - if he cut out the early Florida stop, but then arrived at dawn, it would really send a message.
Down side - every body is needed to work the state, and setting up an election night site might take some manpower away.
But I like Kerry sending the emotional point and also sending a message to Jeb - we are watching you.
Have an emotionally driven thought here - John Kerry announces that he will spend election day in Florida.
Set up his election night HQs there.
You figure his last day might include stops in Florida, Ohio, either Iowa or Wisconsin, then late one of Colo/NM/Ariz/Nev - if he cut out the early Florida stop, but then arrived at dawn, it would really send a message.
Down side - every body is needed to work the state, and setting up an election night site might take some manpower away.
But I like Kerry sending the emotional point and also sending a message to Jeb - we are watching you.
Yeah, it's been a real eye-opener, this administration, with it full complement of lyers and scoundrels, I'd give anything to be that naive waif again, actually believing in democracy here at home....
Yeah, it's been a real eye-opener, this administration, with it full complement of lyers and scoundrels, I'd give anything to be that naive waif again, actually believing in democracy here at home....
Yeah, it's been a real eye-opener, this administration, with it full complement of lyers and scoundrels, I'd give anything to be that naive waif again, actually believing in democracy here at home....
Oh, and let's not forget the media's complicity....
Oh, and let's not forget the media's complicity....
Oh, and let's not forget the media's complicity....
Oh, and let's not forget the media's complicity....
Oh, and let's not forget the media's complicity....
Oh, and let's not forget the media's complicity....
Oh, man, 32.
When I was 32 I was hanging out in Georgetown drinking too much espresso and playing backgammon. One of my buddies was living across the hall from Charles Krauthammer.
In 1992, Laura Ingraham was a nobody. (I just had to google her up to figure out who she is now.)
I still don't understand why the Gore campaign was so fixated on Florida. If his people hadn't come to Nashville and spent so much time and energy being dicks-about-town, he could probably have won Tennessee.
Oh, man, 32.
When I was 32 I was hanging out in Georgetown drinking too much espresso and playing backgammon. One of my buddies was living across the hall from Charles Krauthammer.
In 1992, Laura Ingraham was a nobody. (I just had to google her up to figure out who she is now.)
I still don't understand why the Gore campaign was so fixated on Florida. If his people hadn't come to Nashville and spent so much time and energy being dicks-about-town, he could probably have won Tennessee.
Oh, man, 32.
When I was 32 I was hanging out in Georgetown drinking too much espresso and playing backgammon. One of my buddies was living across the hall from Charles Krauthammer.
In 1992, Laura Ingraham was a nobody. (I just had to google her up to figure out who she is now.)
I still don't understand why the Gore campaign was so fixated on Florida. If his people hadn't come to Nashville and spent so much time and energy being dicks-about-town, he could probably have won Tennessee.
All things considered, I think the polls understate the Kerry vote by 3-5%.
Which means landslide.
If there's one thing we should all have learned from 2000, it is that aggregate popular vote numbers mean nothing.
Nothing. It's all in the electoral college.
Which we should start talking about dismantling as soon as we get in.
Constitutional amendment, bitches.
All things considered, I think the polls understate the Kerry vote by 3-5%.
Which means landslide.
If there's one thing we should all have learned from 2000, it is that aggregate popular vote numbers mean nothing.
Nothing. It's all in the electoral college.
Which we should start talking about dismantling as soon as we get in.
Constitutional amendment, bitches.
All things considered, I think the polls understate the Kerry vote by 3-5%.
Which means landslide.
If there's one thing we should all have learned from 2000, it is that aggregate popular vote numbers mean nothing.
Nothing. It's all in the electoral college.
Which we should start talking about dismantling as soon as we get in.
Constitutional amendment, bitches.
One real possibility, reading about Bush's insanity below, is that there's a real conspiracy to keep the election close (or looking close) until the very end so that Bush doesn't launch a nuclear strike.
How much more material does Kerry have to work with? What ever happened to the story of Bush's seduction and betrayal by suave Iranian diamond thief, Ahmed Chalabi? Kerry has run an, tight, responsive, tough and effective campaign, yet he's holding back....why?
One real possibility, reading about Bush's insanity below, is that there's a real conspiracy to keep the election close (or looking close) until the very end so that Bush doesn't launch a nuclear strike.
How much more material does Kerry have to work with? What ever happened to the story of Bush's seduction and betrayal by suave Iranian diamond thief, Ahmed Chalabi? Kerry has run an, tight, responsive, tough and effective campaign, yet he's holding back....why?
One real possibility, reading about Bush's insanity below, is that there's a real conspiracy to keep the election close (or looking close) until the very end so that Bush doesn't launch a nuclear strike.
How much more material does Kerry have to work with? What ever happened to the story of Bush's seduction and betrayal by suave Iranian diamond thief, Ahmed Chalabi? Kerry has run an, tight, responsive, tough and effective campaign, yet he's holding back....why?
If all the votes would have been counted Gore would have won the election.
Bush was appointed with the worst decision in the history of the Supreme Court.
If all the votes would have been counted Gore would have won the election.
Bush was appointed with the worst decision in the history of the Supreme Court.
If all the votes would have been counted Gore would have won the election.
Bush was appointed with the worst decision in the history of the Supreme Court.
Love ya Atrios, but that's some mad crazy logic you've got going at the end there.
'I'm not sure why X, but if X had a reason, then clearly Y does.'
Love ya Atrios, but that's some mad crazy logic you've got going at the end there.
'I'm not sure why X, but if X had a reason, then clearly Y does.'
Love ya Atrios, but that's some mad crazy logic you've got going at the end there.
'I'm not sure why X, but if X had a reason, then clearly Y does.'
Keanu you got it right, but what else would you expect from Buddha. Wasn't it Buddha who said, Life (under Bush) is suffering? Well let's transcend the bushian cycle of life death and rebirth (no, please not Jeb)and achieve nirvana!
Keanu you got it right, but what else would you expect from Buddha. Wasn't it Buddha who said, Life (under Bush) is suffering? Well let's transcend the bushian cycle of life death and rebirth (no, please not Jeb)and achieve nirvana!
Keanu you got it right, but what else would you expect from Buddha. Wasn't it Buddha who said, Life (under Bush) is suffering? Well let's transcend the bushian cycle of life death and rebirth (no, please not Jeb)and achieve nirvana!
I have a feeling people are going to have to wait in some long lines to vote, if the turnout is really large. The people I talk to about early voting don't like the idea, for some reason.
I have a feeling people are going to have to wait in some long lines to vote, if the turnout is really large. The people I talk to about early voting don't like the idea, for some reason.
I have a feeling people are going to have to wait in some long lines to vote, if the turnout is really large. The people I talk to about early voting don't like the idea, for some reason.
We're in the midst of the final stages of takeover. The Family is in place. What do you say about a Christian organization that admires the organizational tactics of Hitler, Stalin, and the Mafia. It's not tinfoil hat terrority. Something tells me that Sinclair Broadcasting, Faux News, voter suppression, discarded Democrat registration forms, and all the rest, down to local school board takeovers, are all due to the well coordinated and extremely patient activities of the Family. What ya gonna do come Nov 3?
We're in the midst of the final stages of takeover. The Family is in place. What do you say about a Christian organization that admires the organizational tactics of Hitler, Stalin, and the Mafia. It's not tinfoil hat terrority. Something tells me that Sinclair Broadcasting, Faux News, voter suppression, discarded Democrat registration forms, and all the rest, down to local school board takeovers, are all due to the well coordinated and extremely patient activities of the Family. What ya gonna do come Nov 3?
We're in the midst of the final stages of takeover. The Family is in place. What do you say about a Christian organization that admires the organizational tactics of Hitler, Stalin, and the Mafia. It's not tinfoil hat terrority. Something tells me that Sinclair Broadcasting, Faux News, voter suppression, discarded Democrat registration forms, and all the rest, down to local school board takeovers, are all due to the well coordinated and extremely patient activities of the Family. What ya gonna do come Nov 3?
Kerry is gonna win this. I don't care if they find a dead girl or a live boy in bed with him, it ain't going to change my vote. Anything is better than another 4 yrs of Bushco. Don't get me wrong, I have become really enthusiastic Kerry supporter and think he'll make a great pres.
People who never cared about voting before are going to vote in this election. A neighbor told me that she and her husband never voted but this year they are, and it's not for Bush. She asked today about voting because she hadn't gotten her card and she wanted to be sure she's registered. I told her to call the board of elections and told her where her polling place is.
Another thing I think about, back in 2000 didn't Sandra Day O'Connor say something (later denied) to the effect that she wanted to retire but not under a Democratic Pres? It's very telling that not one SC Justice has announced plans to retire during Bush's term. That gives me hope that they won't be so willing to intervene as they were in 2000. The only way Bush wins is if he steals it, and if we get a repeat of 2000, I know I won't take it lying down.
So volunteer, give money, and GOTV.
Kerry is gonna win this. I don't care if they find a dead girl or a live boy in bed with him, it ain't going to change my vote. Anything is better than another 4 yrs of Bushco. Don't get me wrong, I have become really enthusiastic Kerry supporter and think he'll make a great pres.
People who never cared about voting before are going to vote in this election. A neighbor told me that she and her husband never voted but this year they are, and it's not for Bush. She asked today about voting because she hadn't gotten her card and she wanted to be sure she's registered. I told her to call the board of elections and told her where her polling place is.
Another thing I think about, back in 2000 didn't Sandra Day O'Connor say something (later denied) to the effect that she wanted to retire but not under a Democratic Pres? It's very telling that not one SC Justice has announced plans to retire during Bush's term. That gives me hope that they won't be so willing to intervene as they were in 2000. The only way Bush wins is if he steals it, and if we get a repeat of 2000, I know I won't take it lying down.
So volunteer, give money, and GOTV.
Kerry is gonna win this. I don't care if they find a dead girl or a live boy in bed with him, it ain't going to change my vote. Anything is better than another 4 yrs of Bushco. Don't get me wrong, I have become really enthusiastic Kerry supporter and think he'll make a great pres.
People who never cared about voting before are going to vote in this election. A neighbor told me that she and her husband never voted but this year they are, and it's not for Bush. She asked today about voting because she hadn't gotten her card and she wanted to be sure she's registered. I told her to call the board of elections and told her where her polling place is.
Another thing I think about, back in 2000 didn't Sandra Day O'Connor say something (later denied) to the effect that she wanted to retire but not under a Democratic Pres? It's very telling that not one SC Justice has announced plans to retire during Bush's term. That gives me hope that they won't be so willing to intervene as they were in 2000. The only way Bush wins is if he steals it, and if we get a repeat of 2000, I know I won't take it lying down.
So volunteer, give money, and GOTV.
Not all of the polls were going against Gore.
If memory serves, the voter "exit polls" we're all adding up nicely in his favor.
Not all of the polls were going against Gore.
If memory serves, the voter "exit polls" we're all adding up nicely in his favor.
Not all of the polls were going against Gore.
If memory serves, the voter "exit polls" we're all adding up nicely in his favor.
Actually, your prediction was right. Gore did win Florida.
Actually, your prediction was right. Gore did win Florida.
Actually, your prediction was right. Gore did win Florida.
What do you think would be the effect of the October surprise? not bin laden or ayman al zawahri but Zarqawi? I think Al Zarqawi is within reach.. just a matter of time - possibly last week of october..
What do you think would be the effect of the October surprise? not bin laden or ayman al zawahri but Zarqawi? I think Al Zarqawi is within reach.. just a matter of time - possibly last week of october..
What do you think would be the effect of the October surprise? not bin laden or ayman al zawahri but Zarqawi? I think Al Zarqawi is within reach.. just a matter of time - possibly last week of october..
early voting started today in nevada.
i'm eagerly awaiting my chance to exorcise this gang of thugs and looters next tuesday at the local library branch just down the road.
between early voting and absentee ballots there shouldn't be any reason to stand in lines on nov. 2nd.
i had never been polled before zogby started sending me surveys this year. as i recall they were the only one to get it right regarding popular vote last time.
no more years.
early voting started today in nevada.
i'm eagerly awaiting my chance to exorcise this gang of thugs and looters next tuesday at the local library branch just down the road.
between early voting and absentee ballots there shouldn't be any reason to stand in lines on nov. 2nd.
i had never been polled before zogby started sending me surveys this year. as i recall they were the only one to get it right regarding popular vote last time.
no more years.
early voting started today in nevada.
i'm eagerly awaiting my chance to exorcise this gang of thugs and looters next tuesday at the local library branch just down the road.
between early voting and absentee ballots there shouldn't be any reason to stand in lines on nov. 2nd.
i had never been polled before zogby started sending me surveys this year. as i recall they were the only one to get it right regarding popular vote last time.
no more years.
Why can't big dog do a short interview from his house? Talk about his recovery and some other important things.
Why can't big dog do a short interview from his house? Talk about his recovery and some other important things.
Why can't big dog do a short interview from his house? Talk about his recovery and some other important things.
Gore lost Florida, get over it.
Gore lost Florida, get over it.
Gore lost Florida, get over it.
Did you see the story out of Madrid that the AQ folks did indeed intend to sway the election? If the govt. had only handled the attack honestly instead of jumping on the Basques, I think they would have benefited from a rally-round-the-flag backlash. If AQ pulls some terror stunt here in the US, it HAS to help GWB in the short run. The ONLY way it hurts is if Bush really screws up the reaction. That's unlikely.
How big a swing to Bush from a terror attack? Figure 2-5%. That's clearly enough to take this election.
If the election were held today, Kerry wins. But we have 2+ weeks for mischief. I think the odds that AQ tries something are 50/50. The odds of success (from a Bush perspective) are 50/50. So the AQ factor is probablistically worth .5*.5*2%-5% or .5-1.25%. That is probably enough to erase systemic undercounting of Kerry support in the polls.
Conclusion? Right now it's a coin toss. Get to work
Did you see the story out of Madrid that the AQ folks did indeed intend to sway the election? If the govt. had only handled the attack honestly instead of jumping on the Basques, I think they would have benefited from a rally-round-the-flag backlash. If AQ pulls some terror stunt here in the US, it HAS to help GWB in the short run. The ONLY way it hurts is if Bush really screws up the reaction. That's unlikely.
How big a swing to Bush from a terror attack? Figure 2-5%. That's clearly enough to take this election.
If the election were held today, Kerry wins. But we have 2+ weeks for mischief. I think the odds that AQ tries something are 50/50. The odds of success (from a Bush perspective) are 50/50. So the AQ factor is probablistically worth .5*.5*2%-5% or .5-1.25%. That is probably enough to erase systemic undercounting of Kerry support in the polls.
Conclusion? Right now it's a coin toss. Get to work
Did you see the story out of Madrid that the AQ folks did indeed intend to sway the election? If the govt. had only handled the attack honestly instead of jumping on the Basques, I think they would have benefited from a rally-round-the-flag backlash. If AQ pulls some terror stunt here in the US, it HAS to help GWB in the short run. The ONLY way it hurts is if Bush really screws up the reaction. That's unlikely.
How big a swing to Bush from a terror attack? Figure 2-5%. That's clearly enough to take this election.
If the election were held today, Kerry wins. But we have 2+ weeks for mischief. I think the odds that AQ tries something are 50/50. The odds of success (from a Bush perspective) are 50/50. So the AQ factor is probablistically worth .5*.5*2%-5% or .5-1.25%. That is probably enough to erase systemic undercounting of Kerry support in the polls.
Conclusion? Right now it's a coin toss. Get to work
First, we can't even THINK about losing cause we won't recognize this country after four more BUSH YEARS...second, I only WISH I could remember a time without Ingraham, Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly (perhaps that's a winner), Savage, etc. AND, yes bring on the BIG DOG..he can sit right there on his dect and "tape" some pieces that should FLOOD the mass media! This is a MUST WIN!!!
First, we can't even THINK about losing cause we won't recognize this country after four more BUSH YEARS...second, I only WISH I could remember a time without Ingraham, Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly (perhaps that's a winner), Savage, etc. AND, yes bring on the BIG DOG..he can sit right there on his dect and "tape" some pieces that should FLOOD the mass media! This is a MUST WIN!!!
First, we can't even THINK about losing cause we won't recognize this country after four more BUSH YEARS...second, I only WISH I could remember a time without Ingraham, Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly (perhaps that's a winner), Savage, etc. AND, yes bring on the BIG DOG..he can sit right there on his dect and "tape" some pieces that should FLOOD the mass media! This is a MUST WIN!!!
Just watching a piece on CBS Sunday Morning about a new puppet museum...think they'll have a place for the BUSH/Cheney/ROVE model?
Just watching a piece on CBS Sunday Morning about a new puppet museum...think they'll have a place for the BUSH/Cheney/ROVE model?
Just watching a piece on CBS Sunday Morning about a new puppet museum...think they'll have a place for the BUSH/Cheney/ROVE model?
It may depend some on the weather, yes?
Also, Atrios may have been more optimistic in 2000 because he didn't care as much then.
It may depend some on the weather, yes?
Also, Atrios may have been more optimistic in 2000 because he didn't care as much then.
It may depend some on the weather, yes?
Also, Atrios may have been more optimistic in 2000 because he didn't care as much then.
I thought Gore would win (as he did) because Bush seemed such an idiot.
I should've known that idiots can be very smart in certain ways, especially if they have a huge army of underhanded professional swine working at any means necessary.
I thought Gore would win (as he did) because Bush seemed such an idiot.
I should've known that idiots can be very smart in certain ways, especially if they have a huge army of underhanded professional swine working at any means necessary.
I thought Gore would win (as he did) because Bush seemed such an idiot.
I should've known that idiots can be very smart in certain ways, especially if they have a huge army of underhanded professional swine working at any means necessary.
Dancer,
You just reminded me of a moment that kind of gave me the creeps at the time. I first heard Limbaugh at my job in 1990. It was the summer and one of the guys hijacked my radio and found some AM station. And this Limbaugh guy was ranting about Saddam. And this was before Saddam invaded Kuwait.
The guy I was working with, when I went to change the station, was all like "No, wait. I like what this man's saying...."
And that, my friends, is the Rest of the Story!
(Paul Harvey refrence for you AM talk radio "fans")
Dancer,
You just reminded me of a moment that kind of gave me the creeps at the time. I first heard Limbaugh at my job in 1990. It was the summer and one of the guys hijacked my radio and found some AM station. And this Limbaugh guy was ranting about Saddam. And this was before Saddam invaded Kuwait.
The guy I was working with, when I went to change the station, was all like "No, wait. I like what this man's saying...."
And that, my friends, is the Rest of the Story!
(Paul Harvey refrence for you AM talk radio "fans")
Dancer,
You just reminded me of a moment that kind of gave me the creeps at the time. I first heard Limbaugh at my job in 1990. It was the summer and one of the guys hijacked my radio and found some AM station. And this Limbaugh guy was ranting about Saddam. And this was before Saddam invaded Kuwait.
The guy I was working with, when I went to change the station, was all like "No, wait. I like what this man's saying...."
And that, my friends, is the Rest of the Story!
(Paul Harvey refrence for you AM talk radio "fans")
I was exactly the same as you in 2000 - to the point that even after the Supreme Court ruled in Bush's favor, I was in horrified denial for a long time. I just could not get my mind around it at all.
If I have any excuse it's that I live in CA, and while I did run into a few Bush voters here and there, mostly it was just a whole bunch of us looking forward to having the little moron stomped on so we could get on with a Gore presidency that would be an even more thoughtful and wise one than that of Clinton.
Talk about youthful naivete: I didn't even know my sister was a Republican at that point. Imagine my shock and horror when I found out!
Since 2000 I've become increasingly more obsessed with politics. The results of this election will decide whether I can heave a sigh of relief and return to my "real" life, or whether I need to drop as far under the radar as I can go. (I just wish I knew what that means.)
;-}
I was exactly the same as you in 2000 - to the point that even after the Supreme Court ruled in Bush's favor, I was in horrified denial for a long time. I just could not get my mind around it at all.
If I have any excuse it's that I live in CA, and while I did run into a few Bush voters here and there, mostly it was just a whole bunch of us looking forward to having the little moron stomped on so we could get on with a Gore presidency that would be an even more thoughtful and wise one than that of Clinton.
Talk about youthful naivete: I didn't even know my sister was a Republican at that point. Imagine my shock and horror when I found out!
Since 2000 I've become increasingly more obsessed with politics. The results of this election will decide whether I can heave a sigh of relief and return to my "real" life, or whether I need to drop as far under the radar as I can go. (I just wish I knew what that means.)
;-}
I was exactly the same as you in 2000 - to the point that even after the Supreme Court ruled in Bush's favor, I was in horrified denial for a long time. I just could not get my mind around it at all.
If I have any excuse it's that I live in CA, and while I did run into a few Bush voters here and there, mostly it was just a whole bunch of us looking forward to having the little moron stomped on so we could get on with a Gore presidency that would be an even more thoughtful and wise one than that of Clinton.
Talk about youthful naivete: I didn't even know my sister was a Republican at that point. Imagine my shock and horror when I found out!
Since 2000 I've become increasingly more obsessed with politics. The results of this election will decide whether I can heave a sigh of relief and return to my "real" life, or whether I need to drop as far under the radar as I can go. (I just wish I knew what that means.)
;-}
I thought Gore would win (as he did) because Bush seemed such an idiot.
I was one of those who didn't see a huge difference between Bush and Gore (not that I was considering voting for Bush, mind you).
I freely admit I was tragically wrong.
I still wish, though, that I'd had the chance to vote for Bill Bradley.
I thought Gore would win (as he did) because Bush seemed such an idiot.
I was one of those who didn't see a huge difference between Bush and Gore (not that I was considering voting for Bush, mind you).
I freely admit I was tragically wrong.
I still wish, though, that I'd had the chance to vote for Bill Bradley.
I thought Gore would win (as he did) because Bush seemed such an idiot.
I was one of those who didn't see a huge difference between Bush and Gore (not that I was considering voting for Bush, mind you).
I freely admit I was tragically wrong.
I still wish, though, that I'd had the chance to vote for Bill Bradley.
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